Hard time for terrorist-supporting Islamists ...

Good.

Thank God for jury trials.

Alright Dallas!

OK, then;
pursue CAIR's assetts!

“We hope it sends a message that we are going to vigorously pursue terrorists’ assets,” prosecutor Nathan Garrett said.

I suppose CAIR will blame the whole thing on Daniel Pipes!

“It’s hard times for people of Middle Eastern descent,” said his lawyer, Tim Evans.

Boo freakin’ hoo.

My heart pumps purple peanut butter for them. Boo Hoo Hoo, Now sentence them accordingly.

Ghassan Elashi, free pending sentencing, left without commenting.

Free pending sentencing... wow... this needs to be addressed, if found guilty of conspiracy in funding terrorism then this should mean no posting bonds... period... his ass should be in a jail cell...

This is a big step in the right direction. At least the US does something about these bastards.

Another bit of good news: Man Convicted in British Ricin Case Death

A bit iffy but at least they finally convicted one of them.

This is an illustrative case study re: Google vs. Googlenews

Search both for "Elashi + cair".

On Google you'll find that the first page of hits will get you all the relevant results. Googlenews comes up empty.

#7 Bubble Girl

I thought the same thing. Free pending sentencing could mean free to get away. I doubt he's looking forward to prison, but who CAIRS! Ha.

From Texas

Mornin all !

Suspect in Killing of Filmmaker Theo Van Gogh Appears in Dutch Court for First Time

Van Straelen cited the statement of one witness, identified only as L.M., who said Bouyeri had shown him video footage of murders on a computer at his home.

The videos contained "gruesome images of people who were slaughtered in the Middle East," Van Straelen said, cited the statement. "These images can provide you with information about the suspect's personality and the reason why he thought it was necessary not only to shoot Theo van Gogh, but to cut his throat as well."

Prosecutors say Bouyeri is a follower of radical Islam who was hoping to die as a martyr for his cause.

ciao @ 10

lol

Dov...

Mornin to the city in the bayou...

hopefully the judge will give them consecutive sentences, not concurrent

keep the bast**rds locked up as long as possible

Zulubaby @ 13

Prosecutors say Bouyeri is a follower of radical Islam who was hoping to die as a martyr for his cause.

Does the Death Penalty apply over there? Probably not... too bad..

BTW & a bit OT.

The Senate is backing away from voting on the REAL I.D. card that will prohibit illegals from getting driver's licenses, among other things. If you are for REAL, then please contact your SENATORS. I emailed both of mine and told them to vote for the I.D. legislation. Protect America! Gadammit.

ZB

I just looked at the time frame, and Jehosaphant (being PC) Charles is keeping some long hours. Methinks we are pushing him a bit.

"When once the fight (Jihad) is entered upon, carry it out with the utmost vigour, and strike home your blows at the most vital points (smite at their necks), both literally and figuratively. You cannot wage war with kid gloves."
--Footnote 4820 on page 1315 of "The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an," by 'Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali, Tenth Edition reprint in 2002, published by Amana Publications, Beltsville, Maryland.

Abdullah Ali's original translation of the Qur'an was issued around 1934. Notice the use of the word "Jihad" as fight, not interior or spiritual striving as so many Islamist PR firms, like CAIR, would try to have us believe.

Interesting ... something's up with JPost so I can't access the link yet but in the paper this morning, there is a story with the headline: Swastikas, anti-Jewish chants mar Rome soccer match. There is also a picture of the crowd with huge flags bearing swastikas.

Apparently the fans got extremely violent. When I do a web search for the story, only the one from JPost comes up. All the rest report about the violence but leave the violent Jew-hatred out of the story. I despise the media.

Bubble Girl, I don't think so. It says that he could get life in jail so I'm assuming that there's no death sentence because if slashing someone's throat to the point of near decapitation, in public, in broad daylight, doesn't warrant the death sentence, I can't imagine what does.

Zulubaby @ 20

Me neither... but then again he hasn't gone to trial... so he may get off, on some technicality or be found not guilty...

... and so it goes...

Zulubaby @ 19

Re: the soccer match... keep us posted... we are in the Land of the Misinformed...

The Tuscan fans had chanted communist slogans and waved red flags during the game while groups of Lazio fans reciprocated with fascist and neo-Nazi slogans.

A half-story.

"...Ghassan Elashi, free pending sentencing, left without commenting."

Hmm, sounds more like they gave him a "get out of Texas jail free" card.

Look on the bright side Elashi, at least you'll have a chance to brush up on your dawa skills.

Btw, Elashi don't forget to face east while Bubbah is using your hairy ass as a prayer mat.

#14 Adrenalyn

hopefully the judge will give them consecutive sentences, not concurrent

I was wondering about that too, especially since the maximum sentence seems to come straight out of some EU sentencing guidline.

In any case, I never understood why there's even the option of concurrent sentences.
How can doing two bad things be equal to doing one bad thing?

CAIR Founder Convicted of Terrorism

Oh dear. DailySok and Smirky and Soros' "groom of the stool" Duncan B are really gonna get you for that! You can't demonize the Moderate Face of Islam that way!

*puke*

Another comment on "free pending sentencing":

I hope in August we're not saying "Oh, Brother, Where art Thou?"

Bubble Girl, here's the Google link: Swastikas, anti-Jewish chants mar Rome soccer match

If you click on the actual link, it times out. Annoying, but hopefully JPost will be up and running again shortly.

#23 zulubaby

Life in Tuscany breeds hedonistic tendencies. Apparently, hedonistic tendencies breed communism.

Personally, I can only attest to the former part. :-)

hm @ 29

hedonistic tendencies breed communism

lol... I must be the exception to the norm.. not a commie yet...

#22 Bubble Girl

Lazio was Mussolini's team, hence this susceptibility to fascism has been around for a long time.

Whether it's leftist, fascist, or just plain racist, European soccer grounds are full of reprehensible chanting -- and with 80 000 plus people there, it's invariably hard to do anything about it.

As to why it doesn't happen in other countries (or, at least not every week), I don't know. However, my guess is that it's a cobination of the European sheep and inferiority complexes.
If some group started shouting racial abuse at Giants stadium, the people around would get pretty pissed. In Europe they join in.

hm @ 31

Yes, I know... the soccer crowds overseas are way out of control... crazy bastards...

#30 Bubble Girl

Which is why I wasn't able to attest to the truth of that statement.

However, since a true hedonist still needs $$$, Communism is a pretty good way of forcing others to hand over their $$$ -- obviously, under the pretext of the "common good".

The brothers, all born in the Middle East, were convicted the same day jurors began deliberating

If the jury convicted them in one day, then they were as guilty as sin.

#34 Cornholio

The one day part is MSM talk for a period shorter than 24h.

I'd hazard a guess that deliberations lasted for less than an hour.

“It’s hard times for people of Middle Eastern descent,” said his lawyer, Tim Evans.

But GREAT times for cocksucking lawyers that would kick and scream to defend Osama Bin Laden if they had a chance...

#28 zulubaby:

JPost link still not working, at least for me.

To get the real dirt on this story, ya gotta hit the sports pages!

Malaysia Star: Lazio president shrugs off fascist banners

In the past Lazio supporters have also made monkey-grunts at black players and held up anti-Semitic messages. 

People's Daily Communist Chinese outlet: Lazio fined for fans' Nazi symbols

League officials said Lazio's punishment was a result of banners "containing nazi symbols, evocative of violence and racial discrimination."

The Sun UK tabloid: Italy awash in soccer insanity

At the weekend, Lazio fans brandished swastika flags during a Serie A game against Livorno

Ha'aretz sports section: Swastikas on display in Italy

Lazio fined for swastikas

Italian Serie A side Lazio was fined yesterday for swastika and pro-fascist banners raised by its fans during a weekend, Italian television reported. The Rome club was fined 25,000 euros and received a disciplinary warning that could lead to a pitch ban if such displays reoccur. The Lazio fans also chanted fascist slogans to taunt the supporters of visiting Livorno, who traditionally support the far left. Ant-Semitic chants were also reported from sectors of Lazio's northern curve at the Stadio Olimpico.

Talk about wide-ranging news sources! Sometimes the Internet still amazes me.

“It’s hard times for people of Middle Eastern descent.”

Well, over the past four or five years it has been - especially for those Middle Eastern folks who travel on busses in Israel.

zombie, great job, thanks! JPost is still down but you get the picture.

Lazio received the equivalent of a $32,445 fine (all figures U.S.) and an official warning after its fans chanted fascist slogans and waved neo-Nazi banners during a match against rival Livorno.

I'll type out one paragraph from the article in the Jerusalem Post.

"It is extremely grave that the president of the Lazio team has not taken a position. In similar situations in the past, such violence was denounced and action taken. Rleations by the soccer associataions with these groups of ultras should be broken," he said.

What about Infocom? Are the Feds busting up this terrorist tech consulting firm?

DTN Profile: Ghassan Elashi

Speaking of Football hooligans has anyone seen The Football Factory

In searching for photos of the Italian swastikas, I ran across this:

Italian commission absolves US soldiers of shooting fault (?)

At least I think. Gotta brush up on my Italian:

L'auto con la Sgrena non si sarebbe fermata agli avvertimenti

Calipari; nessuna colpa dei soldati Usa

Le conclusioni del rapporto preliminare della commissione d'inchiesta congiunta anticipate dalla tv americana Nbc

Nessuna colpa dei soldati Usa al posto di controllo all'aeroporto di Bagdad che lo scorso 4 marzo spararono sull'auto che aveva a bordo la giornalista del «manifesto» Giuliana Sgrena appena rilasciata dai suoi rapitori e due agenti italiani del Sismi. Nella sparatoria morì l'agente Nicola Calipari, la Sgrena e l'altro agente furono feriti. È la conclusione che avrebbe raggiunto la commissione d'inchiesta congiunta Italia-Usa e che è stata anticipata mercoledì sera dalla tv americana Nbc. La commissione, in un rapporto preliminare dal quale non emergerebbero nuove rivelazioni, assolve i soldati americani che aprirono il fuoco e addosserebbe la responsabilità agli agenti italiani che non si sarebbero fermati prima ai segnali luminosi e poi ai colpi di avvertimenti sparati dalla pattuglia.

As far as I can tell: the soldiers gave warning, shined lights, and the car simply would not stop. Maybe someone less lazy than me can babelfish this.

GOT IT!

Lazio multata per le svastiche in curva

Nice juicy photo of a real Nazi swastika flag in the stands.

Attention: West Coast Lizards Meet-up this Friday, April 15
The Location has been Changed
Due to the crush of people from the ever popular Boat and Yacht Show at Jack London Square this weekend, we have moved the 25 to 250 Lizards to a different dinner location this Friday night.
Now Pay attention locals and especially you out of towners.
Cocktails start at 5:30 to Whenever at Chevy's near the Marina in Emeryville, Powell St. Exit I-80 Eastbound just before the Berkeley exits on I-80, go under the freeway toward the bay, to Chevy’s; from there:
Dinner will be in 2 shifts at Salute Ristorante, 1900 Esplanade Drive, Marina Bay, Point Richmond. [Link: www.salutemar...]
Come on down Lizards for a great good time.
---
The Word is OUT that a couple of Celebrity Bloggers May Show up.

zombie, well out! In the JPost picture, there is more than one Nazi flag but at least now you've seen it for yourself. Charming, isn't it?

Attention: West Coast Lizards Meet-up this Friday, April 15

The Location has been Changed

there that's better -- check #45 above for details

For those mystified by the frequent references to "the curve" in these swastika stories: I'm pretty sure it refers to the curved portions of the stadium seats, at the far ends of the stands -- i.e. what US football fans would call "end zone seats." In other words, the crappy, cheap seats where the rabble and hoi polloi hang out. By saying the Nazi stuff was "in the curve," the writers are saying that it was the low-class riff-raff that were doing it, not the nice folks who could afford midfield tickets.

Morning all. Up way too damned early, but here's a bit of humor (?) for the still of the morn.

Okay, JPost is back up. Unfortunately the didn't put the picture on the website but the story is there.

Swastikas, anti-Jewish chants mar Rome soccer match

Havoc, do you think it's a good idea to post that information on the worldwide web?

#45 Havoc

The Word is OUT that a couple of Celebrity Bloggers May Show up.

OK, you've convinced me! I'll be there with my camera to snap shots of these tantalizing celebrity bloggers!

...or maybe I'm one of the celebrity bloggers myself! Hmmm, you sneaky bastard. :) Either way, zombie will be on the scene. Point Richmond is right near me, so it's convenient.

Anyone know about this one? Word has it Iran done a nuke shot a while ago I'm looking for that intel...

[Link: stevequayle.com...]

Radiation Detected on Ship

January 31, 2005
By Jerry Seper
The Washington Times

U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers, using radiation detection devices, discovered the presence of radioactive cobalt-60 during a routine boarding inspection last week of a container ship at the Port of Los Angeles.

CBP spokeswoman Christiana Halsey said laboratory personnel from the agency, along with officials from the Energy Department, examined the material and found that a gauge used to test the ship's fire-extinguishing system was the source of the radioactive emission. The tests determined that the source posed no threat.

Cobalt-60 is the most common radioactive form of the element, produced commercially as a result of weapons testing or in other nuclear reactions and used as a tracer and radiotherapeutic agent. It is widely used as a medical and industrial radiation source.

Most of the radiation from the decay of cobalt-60 is in the form of gamma and beta emissions, which can adversely affect a person's health. Exposure to low levels of gamma radiation over an extended period of time can cause cancer.

CBP officers discovered the material during a nighttime border inspection of the Toledo, a Maersk container ship that had arrived at the Port of Los Angeles from Kwang Yang, South Korea, Mrs. Halsey said. During the boarding, she said, the CBP officers were alerted to the presence of radioactivity by their personal radiation detectors, which CBP officers wear on belts and which sound a warning when radiation is present.

Mrs. Halsey said officers found the strongest intensity of radioactivity near the ceiling of the engine storage room. A scan of the area with a radiation isotope identifier device, similar to a Geiger counter, appeared consistent with the presence of cobalt-60.

She said CBP officers secured the area, and information was relayed to the CBP Laboratory and Scientific Services at the National Targeting Center. The Energy Department's Radiation Assistance Program (RAP) team, dispatched later from Las Vegas, determined the next day that the level of radiation emission posed no threat.

CBP is the unified border agency within the Homeland Security Department charged with the management, control and protection of the nation's borders at and between the official ports of entry. It is responsible for keeping terrorists and terrorist weapons out of the country while enforcing hundreds of U.S. laws.

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

zombie, you're going to reveal your identity!? :-)

Havoc, I hope you guys take lots of pictures for those of us who won't be there.

Gotta run, see you guys later.

#51 Zombie

Attention Moonbats:

Asks yourselves ... Are you feeling lucky ?

Really Zombie --- It's 3 blocks from the Oakland P.D. and You know how THEY feel about moonbats

Afterall -- How many Orcs and goblins can there be, ... really ?

#54 zulubaby 
zombie, you're going to reveal your identity!? :-)

Hey, I didn't say I'd reveal what my actual name was. I'll still go by "zombie," even in person. Gotta retain a little bit of the mystery!

Re: Italian Football...Italian football fans, or excuse for violence only, have had trouble at Lazio (covered), Inter Milan, and Juventus. On Tuesday in Euro Champions cup, referee dissallowed a goal and the fans started throwing flares and bottles onto the field. Referee abandoned match, and Inter could get kicked out of European competition for 3 years (decision Friday). On Wednesday, Liverpool fans arriving in Turin by airplane were taken 25 Km. away from the stadium, and given a 3 course meal, and then driven back to the stadium by bus. This eliminated Liverpool fans being attacked in city centre before game. Police separated fans when trouible occurred. One sign in stand said " You (Liverpool) are uglier than Camila". Liverpool knocked Juventus out of the Champions cup and meet Chelsea in the semi-final in 2 weeks,.

How the MSM hates it when their freedom fighters get convicted of breaking the law. They refuse to report it, however, thanks to Charles and other bloggers we can still find the good news when it happens. IMHO, CAIR is one of the most dangerous organizations operating in the USA. They should be hunted down like rabid dogs.

Zombie that's your territory -- Oakland PD covers the tiny hamlet of Emeryville Right (hope I hope)

I know the Richmond cops are tough tough tough, but if moonbats show at Salute , the Cops may just let "No Neck Nik" and His Italian Pursuaders have at em

The water's really cold this time of year -- and I hope they can swim.

#59 Havoc

Oakland PD covers the tiny hamlet of Emeryville Right (hope I hope)

Actually, no! Emeryville is an entirely separate incorporated city -- no Oakland cops allowed. But that's no consolation -- the Emeryville cops are worse than the Oakland cops, and are notorious for their unoffical motto, which is "shoot first, ask questions later." There was a big hubbub about an Emeryville cop shooting a guy dead a few years ago, during a chase.

The cop walked free, no punishment.

#57 hornet

What I don't get is how this rounding up of football fans at the airport and subsequent detention is agreebale with such notions as presumption of innocence?

Ok, sure, supposedly it's for their own protection, however, that being the case, are these people given a choice, or are they just barred from entering Italy?

Ghassan Elashi, by the way, was the founder of the Texas chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations—CAIR. But that’s obviously not a piece of information that mainstream media wants you to know, because not a single news or wire story mentions it.

This is where the blogs have to pressure the MSM. I want to see a count down "Number of days the press has whitewashed CAIR's origin in terrorism".

From now on CAIR should be known as "CAIR, the phony 'rights' organization started by terrorists to fund terrorism". Every single time you mention CAIR you must link to this trial... Push it.

Islamists who don't want to fight themselves think it's their duty to fund terrorism - and organizations like CAIR are set up to help them do just that... Always always alway mention the use of CAIR.

#57 hornet

Reminds me of what happened in Froggyland a while ago, where the 2 or 3 pro-American supporters who had showed up at some moonbat "peace" rally were also detained.

I mean, if it's for my own protection, surely I get a choice? In any case, the cops ought to be protecting the few from the mob and not the other way around -- hmmm, but then again, that might mean overtime and Eurocoppers sure don't like the sound of that.

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

WHEN THE EARTH MOVES
Iran denies quake caused by nuke test
'Religious principles' leave no room for nuclear weapons, says president

Posted: December 31, 2003
11:14 p.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

President Mohammad Khatami has denied that the killer quake that struck southeast Iran was caused by a secret nuclear test...

If I remember right, CAIR itself - the whole organization was started by ex-Hamas members. Or some other group... Sorry in my haste I misread that the part saying that the Texas chapter was started by terrorists.

But the whole damn organization was started by terrorists. That's the story people need to know.

Farmer Smith & his space tractor

... so reassuring...isn't it

BTW you get a special Missoura invite to the

Attention: West Coast Lizards Meet-up this Friday, April 15

The Location has been Changed

See #45 above

#64 Smith Space Technologies

'Religious principles' leave no room for nuclear weapons

Strange, because the Islamic Republic of Pakistan seems to follow the same "religious principles".

Btw, not an expert in seismology, however, this correlation between a 6.3 earthquake and a nuclear test seems a little far fetched -- to say the least.

#64 SST:

Khatami was right. Nukes do not affect tectonic activity ... well, outside of made-for-tv movies.

# 64 Smith

And it wasn't caused by a nuke test. Nuke tests are much, much shallower than almost all quakes, much lower in magnitude, and give off distinctly different signatures detectable around the globe. If a nuke test had preceded the quake, every seismometer station on earth would have known it.

67 hm
...not an expert in seismology, however, this correlation between a 6.3 earthquake and a nuclear test seems a little far fetched...

Ever hear about "ground slap" from a nuke? Those little test in Nevada (even underground) and the ability to detect a nuclear explosion anywhere because of the two types of deformation: static; and dynamic. Another thing about a nuke you can detect radio waves (LowFER) or (VLF) just like you can detect a rocket launch the same way.

DOE Document - STRAIN EFFECTS OF NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS IN NEVADA.
[Link: www.osti.gov...]

Oh that's right you might not be able get the full report unless you look for it.

Goodnight in 10 min... so I can read your reply

#69 Mike C.

Just think of a downward shape charge (I don't think we can do that yet but you never know).

# 70 SST

Yup - that's why nuclear tests anywhere on, below or reasonably above the surface of the earth are easily detected at thousands of seismometer stations located damned near everywhere on earth, including Antarctica. And Israel, BTW. No country can keep a nuclear test on earth a secret.

As to triggering a deep-seated earthquake with a shallow nuclear test, you should take a close look at the huge difference in the magnitude of forces involved in these two types of events. Even the largest man-made nuclear explosions are 'popcorn farts' compared to the forces involved in an earthquake. It is at least hypothetically possible to 'trigger' a ready-to-pop fault with an explosion, nuclear or otherwise, but that's only hypothetical, not practical. Great for sci-fi stories and made-for-TV movies, but not of much use in the real world. I personally thought "Armaggedon" was a neat movie, but it was purest fantasy.

I'm not a specialist in seismology myself, but I am a practicing geophysicist of some 30 years experience, so I do feel at least somewhat comfortable with this topic.

# 71 SST

Just think of a downward shape charge (I don't think we can do that yet but you never know).

Um, and just how, exactly, would you propose to 'shape' a nuclear explosion ? By the way, planting a nuclear device below ground, even for a normal depth test, is not a trivial matter or one that could be hidden from even commercial photo satellites. Check out available released stuff on US nuclear tests or the Gas Buggy program.

This whole thing is just a continuation of the LLL claims that the US somehow triggered the Indian Ocean tsunami - conspiracy theories by ignorant people. Cripes, even the majority of DU contributors jumped ugly with those fools.

Morning, bigel.

Oh, those wacky Europeans! If it's not one totalitarian ideology, it's another.

# 76 bigel

Actually from the good ole US of A today. Had to come home to do the %@#$*&^ taxes, but I have to go back next Tuesday. Gotta earn a buck, ya know.

bigel (#74)

I linked to that article -- see the discussion zombie and I had, she provided some great links.

# 79 zulubaby

Gosh, do you do that famous Thomas Edison thing of only taking occasional short catnaps throughout the day ? Seems as if you're never far from posting on a thread. How do you do that ?

Another story taken quite out of context.

Italian soccer hooligans, much like the Brit ones, are in great part the scum of society, violent sociopathic people who rally under a flag - any flag, be it the swastika or Che Guevara - and gather together only with the scope of creating chaos and unleashing violence.

The very idea that hooligans have a sensible influence on mainstream is ridiculous.

Yes! Got some more! I don't know how to change the MSM. I think, as Daniel Pipes says, only "education by murder" will work.

The U.S. nails 3, the Brit's nail one out of nine. And in China…(according to islam-online), the Chinese are repressing muslim's on the phony pretext of ‘terrorism.’ Naaah…..there’s no such thing as islamic terrorism. It’s just a myth…..

What the hell is wrong with this picture?

To muddy the waters further, the Beeb is reporting that the Ricin case is causing...asylum concerns. The ricin is causing concern? Geee…you can fix that…just don‘t give Ricin asylum. Or maybe you ought to ask these guys before they enter…‘are you going to make ricin?’ Or, ‘Which bomb making schools or universities did you attend?’ How about the direct approach, ’Now we expect you to be truthful…‘Are you a terrorist?’ Jayzuz…. WTF is going on over there?

Great stuff...

Tory leader Michael Howard has said Tony Blair's failure over asylum led to ricin plotter Kamel Bourgass being able to commit his crimes.

Mr Howard said Bourgass should not have been in the UK and said the case showed "the chaos in our asylum system".

This blirp is a really killer...

The Lib Dems warned against casting a slur on all asylum seekers.

Heaven forbid they slur 'all asylum seekers' but don't dare mention islam, or terrorism, or that one day...like real soon, maybe...one of these attacks using bio's, chemicals or some extremely large explosive is bound to succeed.

I sure do hope you Brit's wake-up real soon. I've personally discounted the probability of any wake-up call occurring upon the continent proper to damn near, zip...nada...zero - despite the petty motions, the revolving-door terrorist measures and the mumbo-jumbo, mish-mash exercises in finger-pointing and lip-flapping.

I’m really beginning to feel sorry for you folks on the continent…your future prospects are looking grimmer and grimmer.

#73 Mike C.

Maybe it would be possible, using a sort of dome of fissile material. But it would be definitely non-trivial to obtain the proper implosion of such a device.

#85

Maybe I say so because I have a certain knowledge of the Italian situation, don't you think?

Nazi hooligans are not a phenomenon of the last 3 years, and there has been no shift in the mainstream.

However, when someone pulls out a swastika flag, if it were up to me I'd send in police armed not with batons, but maces.

#57 hornet

One sign in stand said " You (Liverpool) are uglier than Camila".

It was actually the Liverpool fans that were holding that banner.

Italian crowds now are like they were here (in the UK) during the 70s and 80s--virulently racist. I saw a television documentary about Italian soccer hooliganism and the right-wing thugs that control the crowds, they even influence team selection by hassling the players at their training grounds. And the gang leaders are even pitch-side during the game.

#82 Fabio C.:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all those fascist hooligans in Italy...don't they vote fascist?

Last I checked, there was a fairly large fascist party in Italy, headed by Mr. Fini. In government, as well.

Oh...and they're not oficially known as "the fascist party" any more...but Mrs. Mussolini is still a member, isn't she?

# 86 FabioC

Or actually, even just a grouping of nuclear explosives whose trigger times were precise down to the femtosecond. Again, hypothetically possible. Hardly practical, though. Especially for a country that is, maybe, trying to build it's first ever nuke. And why would they test such a device of their own citizens ? Even better, just how practical would such a device be as a weapon ? First, your enemy would have to actually have a triggerable fault zone someplace where you'ld want to hit them. Then, I suppose, you sneak in at night and secretly plant this probably huge device several thousand feet below ground. Should only take six month to a year of massive activity on the surface and literally tons and tons of purpose-built and massive equipment. Seems just a tad far-fetched to me. OK, loony, if you will.

#89 Golden Jerusalem

Probably you missed something, because Fini changed totally his policy, visited Israel etc. Ms. Mussolini left the party, mostly for disagreement over this change of attitude.
These fascists are voting for smaller, fringe parties that even lost the reagional elections a few weeks ago.

#91 Fabio C.:

Uh, okay, well, you have the inside track on Italian politics, I'm sure :>)

I remeber Fini visiting Israel BTW.

Anyways, Italian politics are mad, I gave up on following it very closely several years ago when I left Europe.

How's the Partito Comunista Rifondazione doing these days?

#48 zombie

Yes, you got it quite right about the meaning of "the curves".

#43 Zombie

your understanding is correct. The Italians ignored warning lights and warning shots. No fault attributed to US troops.

#92 Golden Jerusalem

Rifondazione Comunista is part of the center-left alliance that will run for the next general elections headed by the euro-fanatic Prodi, go figure...

The interesting snippet is that that alliance thought about running primaries to estabilish who was to be the head of the coalition and thus candidate to Prime Minister. Well, they tried it for one single region and a candidate from Communist Refundation won. So Prodi and the other bosses decided that primaries were no longer needed, and he was going to be the head by default.

#90 Mike C.

Didn't you know that the Zionist Death Ray can be used also for deep drilling? And it is stealth of course, LOL

“It’s hard times for people of Middle Eastern descent,” said his lawyer, Tim Evans.

Corrected:
“It’s hard times for people of Middle Eastern descent,[when they support thugs and killers.]”

And later this year I look forward to Sami Al-Arian's conviction in Tampa.

# 96 FabioC

Wasn't there an article about that in "Zionist Roughneck Monthly" last year ?

OT:

Heres a shocker

Human rights commission condemns Israel

And this is why checkpoints have to be so thorough

Army: Palestinian woman at checkpoint smuggled gun in underwear

German police launch terror raids

Germany has made fighting alleged Islamist terror cells a key security priority, correspondents say, especially since the country was shocked to find that some of the suicide hijackers in the 11 September attacks were based in the northern city of Hamburg.

suicide hijackers it's less letters to say "terrorists".

Islamic terrorism is an act of "faith".

Islam is a Perfidious Pigshit Cult.

#101 Smit:

Oh, yeas, and this is a lovely bit as well:

alleged Islamist terror cells

Whereas, of course in another context "right wing Jewish extremists" don't get the benefit of the "alledged".

Anyways, it's enough to make one's head explode, so I'll leave that alone for now.

How about Keano? will he stay or go, d'ya think?

#102 saltmarsh

Not that I want to censore you, or be a netcop, but I think that similar epithets, besides being uttered so frequently that there is little need for repetition, do not contribute in any way to a constructive discussion.

#100 manker:

So, what type of gun did she keep in her undies? The y-net article didn't specify.

If she's the 10+ kids type of paliwoman, perhaps a 155 mm howitzer?

And where's 'Nam Grunt this fine AM ? Gone fishing early, or did the biscuits go horribly wrong today ?

This is HUGE! I didn't see this thread when I went to bed early last night. This is really HUGE! CAIR needs to be discredited as a "voice" in the Muslim community. If the 'moderate Muslim' is out there, he or she would be well advised to start pressing the issue of just how many members of CAIR have been found guilty of ties to terrorism and why does this organization still represent American Muslims?

Every TIME there is a problem with Islam's influence in our universities, whether US or Canadian, Ibrahim Hooper inserts himself into the issue braying on about how this and that is against Islamic teachings and CAIR represents American Muslims. And if you question him or mention Sami al-Arian's conviction of terrorism ties, he counters that that was only one instance and wasn't really proven and on and on. Now here we have the founders of CAIR convicted! Let's see him shrug this one off!

This is your brain

[the old egg]

This is your brain on PCP (Perfidious Cult of Pigvomit)

[scrambled egg]

Petition to the United Nations Against Religious Apartheid: Sign Petition

To: H.E. the Secretary-General of the United Nations, Mr. Kofi Annan;

The Coalition for the Defense of Human Rights is an umbrella coalition representing various organizations from the following communities: Arab-Christian, Armenian, Assyrian, Bahai, Buddhist, Copt, Hindu, Humanist Muslim, Ibo, Maronite, Nubian, secular intellectuals, Southern Filipino, Slavic-Christian, Southern Sudanese, Syriac, West African, and women's groups.

We gather to demonstrate our determination to protest the treatment of religious and ethnic minorities, as well as women and moderate and secularized Muslims in Islamic lands. We are here also to cry out against the murderous ideology of radical Islamism, which, by dividing humankind into worthy Muslims and inferior "infidels" is wreaking havoc throughout the world.

In the face of growing attacks and oppression of religious and ethnic minorities in Islamic lands, we respectfully make the following two demands upon the appropriate organs of the United Nations:

[Link: www.dhimmi.com...]

#106 Mike in VA:

So, ready to render unto Ceasar?

# 165 GJ

Eeewww !

# 110 GJ

Getting there. And coming to a better understanding of Brutus' actions.

Anyway, one thing we noticed is that the Arabians own slaves. Though Allah says that the slaves should be treated in a nice manner, he did not advocate the abolition of slavery. If slavery is bad as considered in today's world, Allah certainly would have said that the slavery is wrong. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) also said that the slaves should be treated in a good manner and the slaves should be released often. But if there is no slavery how can anyone release slaves? Hence the reintroduction of slavery in Pakistan is one of the future plans of Jamaat. All the captured Hindu Indians and Srilankans will be made slaves to work for Pakistani Muslims. Every God abiding Pakistani Muslim will get slaves once we conquer India. All the slaves who embrace Islam will be set free. Slavery is Islamic.
[Link: www.media-watch.org...]

Throw away the keys to their cells.

FabioC. (#82)

Another story taken quite out of context.

Italian soccer hooligans, much like the Brit ones, are in great part the scum of society, violent sociopathic people who rally under a flag - any flag, be it the swastika or Che Guevara - and gather together only with the scope of creating chaos and unleashing violence.

Yes, Fabio, where AS USUAL it's the JEWS that they unleash the violence on. WTF are you talking about, "out of context"? What "context" would it have to be for you or any other European to actually admit that this behaviour is DISGUSTING? This just annoys me. And you wonder why I don't have the most favourable opinion of Europeans. As long as it's the Jews that are being spat on, the rest of you will make any fucking excuse.

#103 Golden Jerusalem -

Whereas, of course in another context "right wing Jewish extremists" don't get the benefit of the "alledged".

If only the MSM called them "right wing Jewish extremists" I could just about live with that.

The terminology used now is Jewish ultranationalists .

Can it be long before the MSM adopts something like
Ultranationalist Orthodox Religious Super Scary Armed Jew.

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Keano is going to go. I think we've pee'd him off too much. I would like to get rid of Freddie, play Defoe & Mido upfront with Kean in a Paul scholes 'sitting just behind the front two" role.
But I know that's not a popular plan with the fans...

Mido and Keane

Three Charged In Alleged Plot To Attack US Financial Centers

I mean, has there been once instance where the Europeans have actually condemned the behaviour instead of making every attempt to excuse or whitewash it? What "context" would elicit indignation from the Europeans? I don't want to stress them out and suggest that they should be angry or horrified so let's just go with something mild like indignation for now.

#112 Mike C.

Morning Mike,
thanks for adding some sense to this whole nuclear explosion might have caused Bam earthquake nonsense.

Btw, the Korean BBQ dinner was somewhat more agreeable to my stomach than that Sichuan, but not quite as enjoyable.

# 113 hutchrun

Slavery is Islamic.

Uh, hate to be picky, but I think even a light skimming of history will show that slavery way predates Islam. As one minor example, didn't Ramses hold the Nation of Israel as slaves ? Nothing wrong with criticizing the guilty, but let's stick to the facts.

#116 Smit

"Ultra" seems to be new word of choice in the MSM.

The other night I overheard an ABC news report on the Bolton hearings where he was being described as "ultra conservative".

(Now, since I'm in Hong Kong, I don't know whether that particular report was also intended for domestic consumption.)

I just GoogleNews-ed "Bayan Elashi" and got a page full of hits. I then did "Bayan Elashi CAIR" and got none.

I'm waiting the trickle of premier MSM journalists who have finally had enough and turn tail from the brownshirt goose-step left to turn into a flow. Hopefully, it will be the ones who have access to editorial meetings. Man, is there a book to be written there. If a flow of the well-known front page NY Times or LA Times lefties suddenly get a dose of character and start making the talk show circuit and telling what they know it would be like Hess landing in Britain. Quite frankly, I know just what would do that -- a few more close brushes with the naked anti-Semitism that is starting to DEFINE the left. Let's see how much longer these people can live in a state of psychological denial. They're not stupid. They just want to go home at five o'clock and not endanger their pension or their status in society.

By the way, for the first time in my life I went over to A*tr*ios and looked around, mostly at the comments. Just to see. Lame, lame, lame, lame. Very few of them can put two thoughts together into an idea. They are like the people I imagine you find stranded on islands in reality shows.

And you know, the soccer hooligans are the scum of the earth (for the most part anyway) but the British academics are attempting to boycott Israeli academics so how are we going to explain them away, huh?

#115 zulubaby

I did not feel compelled to express my disgust for these nazi exhibitions because it's natural I am disgusted. Did you miss the part when I suggested how to deal with these thugs?

I was rebutting to bigel, who as usual presents any story, no matter how really important, as a proof that Europe is a Jew hating shithole and blah blah blah.

#120 Mike C.

Well, if one was intent on drawing a connection, one might say that the Egyptian tourism industry benefits from slave labor.

Hmmm, perhaps someone may be entitled to compensation...

# 119 hm

My knowledge is so very limited that I have to trot it out on those rare occasions when it is warrented.

So, did you get the Korean version of dog with that BBQ ? The Chinese version tastes like, well, like meat. I never get stomach troubles from the spicey stuff, be it Chinese, Mexican, Thai, Indian, whatever. Sure clears out the sinuses, though. Korean (in my experience) isn't so spicy, or at least not until you get to the kimchee. Gosh, but I love that stuff !

#120 Mike C.

You are perfectly correct in saqying that and I agree with you.

However, if you click the link, you`ll find it`s an extract of:

Interview with Nawabzadaa Nabiullah Khan
[Link: www.media-watch.org...]

and his intention is to follow the precepts of the Koran as pontificated by one mohamed, also many hundreds of years back. Much as CAIR and Ibrahim Hooper look forward to.

#116 Smit:

Keano is going to go. I think we've pee'd him off too much. I would like to get rid of Freddie, play Defoe & Mido upfront with Kean in a Paul scholes 'sitting just behind the front two" role.

Yeah, it sucks, I love Keano. I'd much rather get rid of Kanoute, as well.

Just look at the record, with all his starts this season, Kanoute has only managed 7 goals, whereas Keane's tally stands at 15.

I dunno about the Egyptian [he whose name I cannot bring myself to utter]. I don't like him. He may be a great talent and all of that, but 6 clubs in 6 years and so on, no loyalty. Also pissed off his nat'l coach. He's a little primadonna...and he's a 'gyptian.

Keano, though, my hero. All my replica shirts bear his number (used to be Teddy's before, #10).

OT...EU Shocker: "Hamas are freedom fighters"...

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

Top EU leader holds secret meeting in Gaza with Hamas leaders.

FabioC., I understand the need to over-compensate for bigel's posts but really, must you just dismiss this because bigel annoys you? It's disgusting, no matter that they're scum and hooligans. I expected more from you.

P.S.

Did you miss the part when I suggested how to deal with these thugs?

Yes, I did. Just saw it now. Good idea.

Smit..Golden.. Chelsea v. Liverpool in Europe, should be 2 good games. Now if only Man U. had defeated AC Milan..

# 127 hutchrun

Understood.

#126 Mike C.

No dog as far as I could tell. However, I did eat dog once in Chengdu, luckily I was only told afterwards. And you're right, tasted like beef.

Btw, since it's your topic of expertise, what's your opinion on the natural gas exploration the Japanese are proposing to commence in the East China sea.
Seems more like a politically motivated move, rather than scientific?

#105 Golden Jerusalem

Well it's not only size, but how she kept it from slipping out. Do you think she... well you know what I mean.

Mike C. (#80)

LOL, no napping involved. I'm in Israel and it's almost 3:00pm here. I went out to do some errands and then came back and went to pick up my nephew from kindergarten and now I'm back again and I'll go do some more stuff in a little while. I should be so lucky to get to nap during the day! :-)

bigel, I haven't heard from Mr Pol, don't know what is going on with him.

#129 hornet:

So it augurs well for the EU furure then:

Saudi Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd Al-Rahman Al-'Arifi, Imam of the mosque of King Fahd Defense Academy, discussed the coming Muslim conquest of the Vatican. Citing a Hadith in an article posted on the Kalemat website in 2002, he stated: "… We will control the land of the Vatican; we will control Rome and introduce Islam in it. Yes, the Christians, who carve crosses on the breasts of the Muslims … will yet pay us the Jiziya [poll tax paid by non-Muslims under Muslim rule], in humiliation, or they will convert to Islam…"

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

Now we jus5t wait fror Syariah Laws which should be most appealing to them.

#132 hornet:

Yeah, pool vs Chelski in the semis. That should be interesting.

The other semi PSV and Milan should be more or less a foregone conclusion.

Too bad, cos it probably means Milan will eventually win the final 1-0 or on penalties after a 0-0 regulation time scoreline :>(

#114 WarBicyle:

Are you the same WarBicyle that used to be on the Washington Post threads? If so...hello! :)

#130 zulubaby

Maybe I did not express my point clearly, I don't know.

It goes without saying that I'm disgusted by these horrible shows, and so are many others in Europe. I guess you think we should make your voice heard louder, and probably you are right.

I also wasn't trying to just explain it away, but to shed some light on phenomenon that is not really known in America (better for you). The hooligan "culture" is a sub-culture quite detached from the mainstream, a culture of violence and brutal nihilist rebellion, in which the only values are the flag of the team, and extreme political ideologies.

# 134 hm

Well, I don't think there's any 'scientific' rationale for exploration for gas reserves there. Rather good old economic reasons. But portions of that area are clearly politically disputed territory, and that's always trouble. That sort of trouble has occured in many areas on the globe, and it's always a big pain in the butt to commercial companies - increases the risk, don't you know. Nowadays, in international ventures, political risk has to be factored into economic analyses just the same as technical risk.

#135 manker:

Ughhh!

#121 hm

"Ultra" seems to be new word of choice in the MSM

Yes, I've noticed that too. But only used in connection with the right. I've never heard "Ultraleftist" anywhere recently. It does make me wonder. When they dismiss Bolton as "Ultra right-wing" how can they ramp up the rhetoric when a *actual* ultra-right winger appears on the scene?

#128 GJ - The Egyptian has spent the last few months apologising for his past sins. He looks strong and powerful, he's a bit dirty & he'll scare defences. - But notice, - I didn't say I trust him ;-)

#141 Mike C

Like Nalaysia and Indonesia

#142 Golden Jerusalem

Man I'd hate to be soldier who had to touch that gun.

And in other news, Mr Wolfgang Droege's right to dissent has been stifled. Another victim of the vast dark cloud of McCarthyism that has overtaken the world, no doubt.

I don't normally link to anything from Haaretz, but this guy is right on the money:

The same article in Hebrew:

[Link: www.haaretz.co.il...]

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[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Haaretz, Thu., April 14, 2005 Nisan 5, 5765

Who does not know how to ask?

By Nadav Shragai

Something is happening to Israeli democracy on the way to disengagement.

Almost every week more and more fine lines are being crossed between a regime that is totalitarian and one that is tolerant and pluralistic. "The spirit of the commander," that strong-arm spirit behind the firing of ministers, the misleading of voters, the denying of the platform and decisions of party mechanisms, and finally the refusal to face up to a national referendum over an unequalled historical process, is now seeping down into the field.

Under the aegis of disengagement, non-voilent demonstrators are beaten at crossroads and along the highways, but the general media hardly bother to make mention of this. [generally, including Haaretz - alkmyst] A minor from the Benjamin region was detained following a demonstration, badly beaten all over his body and hospitalized. V., a yeshiva student from Bnei Brak, dared to flee policemen who were chasing him and, immediately after he was arrested, received special treatment: He was choked, handcuffed, and kicked, and when he vomited had his head smashed on the floor. The handcuffs were removed only after a Magen David nurse refused to treat him unless they were. Even passersby, like Y. from the Jerusalem region, fall victim to unbearable and unnecessary police brutality.

much more

#145 manker

I think they all wear gloves

OT:

"cease-fire" watch

Soldiers shoot dead al-Aqsa terrorist

#141:

Nowadays, in international ventures, political risk has to be factored into economic analyses just the same as technical risk.

Yep, it's a separate chapter in every feasibility study.

The company I work for provide advise for investors in many countries including "less stable" ones like the Ukraine, Romania and others.

Political risks are always a factor.

#145 manker:

Yechhhs! Slimy and fishy...

/retch retch

#141 Mike C.

Well, the BBC seems to believe that there's a lot of the combustible stuff there:

Japan has already begun processing applications from companies which want to explore the disputed area of the East China Sea.

Both China and Japan claim the area as lying within their exclusive economic zone (EEZ).

Japanese companies have been waiting for 40 years to be given the go-ahead to drill in the area, which has a potentially vast reserve of natural gas and oil.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

#149 manker:

No,no, no!

"IDF forces kill alledged militant"

/MSM off

# 144 hutchrun

Or for that matter Argentina and that little tiff over the Falkland Islands. Qatar v Bahrain over the Hawar islands (although that goes way back to before ANYBODY knew about oil). Venezuela v Surinam. Etc., etc.

Golden...The Champions Cup Final is taking place in Istanbul this year. Any time there is trouble at a football (soccer) match in Europe, the fans have been drinking non-stop for hours before the match starts. As one team in the final will be from England, I wonder what the Turkish security will be like. I personally would not travel there to see the match.

10 years per charge 21 charges, have a great life.

#7

Ghassan Elashi, free pending sentencing, left without commenting.

Free pending sentencing... wow... this needs to be addressed, if found guilty of conspiracy in funding terrorism then this should mean no posting bonds... period... his ass should be in a jail cell...

Then the courts will be "suprised" when he doesn't show up for sentencing.

#154 Golden Jerusalem

LOL, or should it be a disgruntled occupationally challenged man.

# 153 hm

Actually, the entire China Sea area has been kind of a dissapointment to the industry. Not that nothing commercial has been found, because it has. But it has not been as prolific as was hoped. My guess is that the BBC's expertise in this area is up to the same high standards it is in many other areas.

FabioC. (#140)

It goes without saying that I'm disgusted by these horrible shows, and so are many others in Europe.

Since I don't know you, I only go by what you say on LGF and when I read your post I got angry. I've calmed down now. Yes, I'd like to hear European voices loudly condemning this unacceptable behaviour. I do know a little about the hooligans and understand that they are violent half-breeds.

Lesse here - Hamas is a terrorist organization? That's funny... What's this all about then?

Thursday, April 14, 2005
White House: OK if Hamas controls PLC- "business professionals...not terrorists"
For Immediate Release
April 13, 2005
White House Press Briefing by Scott McClellan
James S. Brady Briefing Room

MR. McCLELLAN: ... If we are successful there in the Gaza, it provides a real opportunity to move forward on the road map and to move forward on the President's two-state vision. But we've got to make sure that there is -- and the world has a responsibility to help in those efforts to make sure that the Palestinians are able to move in and self-govern that area, and begin moving forward on additional measures to have institutions in place for a viable democracy to emerge. And so that's really where the focus was.

...
Q Scott, on the road map, can you identify even one Palestinian terrorist group that has been disarmed by the Palestinian Authority in accordance with the Bush administration's own road map? And I have a follow-up.

MR. McCLELLAN: I think it's important to look at some of the steps that have been taken. And the President talked about President Abbas the other day in the news conference. We look forward to having President Abbas visit Washington again so the President can talk to him about what we can do to support them in their efforts to move forward on the two-state vision that he outlined. But there have been some steps taken to address the security situation. [uhhh...]

It's important that they have a unified security structure. General Ward has been in the region working closely with the Palestinians to help put those security forces in place and have a unified structure to address some of these issues. But the road map is very clear in what it says. We've been very clear in what our views are, as well. And it's important that the parties meet their obligations.

Q In the event that Hamas, a terrorist organization not yet disarmed by the PA, wins a majority in the legislative PA, will the Bush administration still send $350 million U.S. taxpayer dollars to the PA, or not?

MR. McCLELLAN: Les, it's -- the one thing that you see when people have elections that are free and fair is that they tend to choose people who are committed to improving their livelihood, not people who are committed to terrorist acts. And I think if you look back at the previous Palestinian elections, the people that were elected, while they might have been members of Hamas, they were business professionals. They were people that ran on
talking about improving the quality of life for the Palestinian people and addressing their economic needs and addressing other needs that are important to them -- not terrorists.[uhhh]

OT - Hugo Chavez is creating a militia which will be directly under his command.

Chavez creates new loyal reserve

The new formation, which the president wants to become a two million-strong force in the near future , will be directly under his command.

Why on earth does Venezuela need a 2 million man army?

Chavez will never, ever give up power as long as he's alive.

Web Censors In China Find Success

The Chinese government is succeeding in broadly censoring what its citizens can read on the Internet, surprising many experts and denting U.S. government hopes that online access would be a quick catalyst for democratic political reform. "The Chinese are successfully developing a market economy at the same time they are continuing to accomplish control over the Internet and the media," said C. Richard D'Amato, chairman of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, which monitors and promotes economic progress in China. "The Internet is wildly misunderstood," said Rafal Rohozinski, director of the Advanced Network Research Group at Cambridge, who participated in the study. "It is built around very specific chokepoints" that can be controlled. Chinese authorities perform these tasks largely using U.S. hardware and software. Companies such as Cisco and Google Inc. have been accused of aiding China's censorship by tailoring their products to suit the government's needs. The study did not confirm those allegations, which the companies have denied. Some reports on Chinese censorship also claim that the country has as many as 30,000 "Internet police" dedicated to the task.

Nice work, on the terror-fighting front. It's so rare, that you actually see these slugs caught and convicted, with proper evidence and no apparent legal fire-escapes for the convicts. Add to that, the guy's a playa in CAIR? I nearly went into anaphylactic shock, over my Kellogg's SmartStart Soy Protein Cereal. I had a myoclonic jerk, and was startled back into a state of calm alertness.

I hope it's not a reaction to the cereal.

Good morning, all. I'm microwaving my breakfast of leftover salmon steak and green beans. Somebody eat some Krispy Kreme doughnuts for me.

Maybe I need to eat a few Krispy Kreme doughnuts too, as I am sitting here examining pistols and find that I cannot figure out how to hide guns in my underwear. Maybe I'm just at that awkward size in between maybe concealing a box cutter and an entire weapon.

Why do the MSM's cover this sort of stuff up?

Do they honestly not see islamophiles as a threat?

Is it their blind hatred of Bush that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" applies here?

I tend to think there is a mixture of the both. I also think the MSM people are cowardly appeasers. These douche bags always end up on the wrong side of the fence.

Alas, until we rip the lying, spineless, america-hating, self loathing, university-running traitors out of the areas of influence there will continue to be deceived americans.

#156 hornet

I guess that Turkish police will be not exactly soft-handed against troublemakers...

#163 Smit

Preparations for a military dictatorship, that's it. I'm afraid that Chavez may be the next big communist dictator.

The jurors sat down and a few minutes later rendered their verdict.

In American law the only way this happens is if two things took place: the defense said nothing to create any doubt and the prosecution made a compelling overwhelming case of guilt.

American juries are usually diverse enough that if there is real doubt or questions in the case, the jurors will review all the evidence in detail if there are any questions. Instead, the verdict was reached in a flash. The jurors had no doubt.

Now for the fun part- the sentencing! There the judge will get to weigh in on what he or she saw in that courtroom. Expect a legal crushing.

45 Havoc

That link is messed up.

I can't resist...

One could hide a small gun behind/under an inflated scrotum.

#156 hornet:

As one team in the final will be from England, I wonder what the Turkish security will be like. I personally would not travel there to see the match.

Well, remember when Leeds played Galatasaray there a few years back?

Istanbul is a pretty crazy place even at the best of times.

I wouldn't go either, even if I supported one of the potential finalists (which I don't).

Israeli troops on Thursday shot and killed a Palestinian militant in a West Bank refugee camp Thursday, the latest signs of strain in a recent cease-fire.

Yeah, let's keep the terrorists alive. Assholes.

But Balata residents said the forces entered the area and opened fire without provocation.

Sure. I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

#166 SwampWoman - I've never had a Krispy Kreme doughnut. I'm scared to...

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OT - Again, Over here in Britain we're in the middle of a General Election campain. Robert Kilroy Silk (you may remember his "Arabs are women repressors" comments) has just launched his party's manifesto.

Euro MP Robert Kilroy-Silk has launched his Veritas Party's manifesto with an attack on multi-culturalism imposed by "liberal fascists in London".

The idea that everybody should respect each others' cultures was "nonsense", he said, adding that not all cultures were equal - some were "reprehensible".

If you wonder who he is talking about...

Veritas supported the Metropolitan Police's call to outlaw forced marriage and would also not tolerate honour killings or restrictions on free speech imposed by extreme religious groups.

The MSM here are going to destroy him.

Kilroy attacks 'liberal fascism'

#84 aboo-Hoo-Hoo 4/14/2005 03:29AM PDT

To muddy the waters further, the Beeb is reporting that the Ricin case is causing...asylum concerns. The ricin is causing concern? Geee…you can fix that…just don‘t give Ricin asylum. Or maybe you ought to ask these guys before they enter…‘are you going

I was listening to the Beeb's intermidable Brit election crap the other day. It was non-stop flogging the Liberals over the Iraq war... Just nonstop trying to basically assert control over the government.

I wonder if at some point the Beeb will overreach, say on downplaying terrorism when it actually hits Britain, and lose their audience. I know they're government funded, but if they mess up badly enough the public could demand an end to funding.

American Infidel:

Hey, whazzup girl?

Smit, thank G-d for people like Kilroy-Silk. He may grate on many people's nerves but at least he calls a spade a shovel.

#174 zulubaby:

Israeli troops on Thursday shot and killed a Palestinian militant

See my #154, which was sort of a joke.

It's incredible. I can't take it anymore, my head will explode. It's like Orwellian newspeak.

# 163 Smit

Chavez will never, ever give up power as long as he's alive.

Uh, no kidding. Were you aware that Venezuela claims over half the neighboring country of Surinam ? 2 million might be able to take and hold it.

# 164 NK

Some reports on Chinese censorship also claim that the country has as many as 30,000 "Internet police" dedicated to the task.

I don't believe that. I think you need to add another zero. But it's amazing what you CAN get to there on the internet.

# 168 FabioC

I'm afraid that Chavez may be the next big communist dictator.

Uh, he already is.

The most redundent headline ever

Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades breaks truce

They are "officially" off the truce because the IDF killed one of its members. The only problem with breaking the "truce" is the fact that their wasn't one to begin with.

And lets not forget that this is Abbas's group, and the people he wants to make into the police force.

Good morning lizards!

#178 AI:

The heating/aircon man, huh...

A top European Union official

In other words, Javier Solana *spit*double-spit*

Afternoon all. And a belated Happy Bday to Charles. Been far too busy to blog recently :( And about to head off to India for 2 weeks so I'll be getting my LGF fix in before I go :) Curse those bloody malaria tablets though...

#140 FabioC

Sure, the hooligans are a small subculture, but one that the police and club owners in Italy don't see fit to stop, ban or punish. It's been like that for years. What does that say about the powers-that-be?

Whilst British football had to undergo some severe soul-searching after Heisel (and rightly so), I don't think the same has ever been true of much of Europe. Last night in Turin the police and stewards stood by and watched for almost half an hour as thugs threw missiles at the Liverpool fans. In the UK a fan throws a mobile phone at Rooney, is caught immediately and banned for life.

Although as yet a faultless system is not in place, you can also be banned for life in Britain for shouting racist abuse at a match. Just look at the national outrage over here when our black players are subjected to monkey calls in Spain, Italy and Slovakia. It's not just the fans: even the Spanish national coach joined in and called Thierry Henry a n*gger recently, and then wondered what all the fuss was about. Much of European football is rotten to the core IMHO.

Smit (#175),

The MSM here are going to destroy him.

They may very well want to try, but there is a duel edged sword here; they can't address him without addressing his points.

Are they going to attempt to justify that honor killings murder is an acceptable cultural norm?

#183 manker:

But they signed a piece of paper denouncing violence in return for PA thugocracy jobs.

Damn Israeli provocations!

#184:

Shomer ha'shalom [your Hebrew nic]: Good morning!

#180 - zulubaby, If Kilroy Silk can keep the racists out of his party and keep his campain to attacking the Labour government's record on immigration, assylum and Europe and get enough publicity he has the potential to be be one of the strongest smaller parties.

He has an image problem tho' and I don't just mean his fake perma-tan.

His ideas would appeal to about 70% of the traditional Conservative voters and much of the working class - but in most media appearances he comes across as orange and obnoxious.

#155 Mike C.

Apparently, the Falklands war was, at least in part, strategic in that Britain wanted to preserve its "gateway" to Antarctica. (talk about future oil exploration!)

These small islands can be quite useful, i.e. Diego Garcia.

Off to dinner now. Later!

#183

I wish Isreal would just steam roll the ME already. It's past the point of ridiculous.

#175 Smit

#166 SwampWoman - I've never had a Krispy Kreme doughnut. I'm scared to...

Yep, best not to get started.

#187 geepers:

they can't address him without addressing his points.

Sure they can.

They'll just misrepresent his point and label him a racist.

MO of the MSM, doncha know?

#188 Golden Jerusalem

It's a real shame, those damn provocations.

Well lets gas up those new Longbows and see what they can do.

#175 Smit

Did you ever get the chance to see the BBC "documentary" on Kilroy? The one made by one of his old "helpers" from the Kilroy talk show.

Apparently, it was meant to discredit him, however, having seen it, all I can say is it greatly enhanced my image of the guy.

Shomer, Shomer Simpson?

Thanks, really-I'll try to remember that GJ!

Good morning, Peacekeeper! How is your bad self today?

#190 hm:

Apparently, the Falklands war was, at least in part, strategic in that Britain wanted to preserve its "gateway" to Antarctica.

Unquestionably.

#191 CommonSense

Thats what I'm thinking.

Where are the Saudi oil fields located at?

“It’s hard times for people of Middle Eastern descent,” said his lawyer, Tim Evans.

Spoken like a true man without any concept of logic.

I for one can't understand how as an American you can defend someone those whole purpose in the US is to kill or help kill American's.

# 190 hm

OK - eat the spicy stuff, now.

OT - wouldn't you know...‘a Washington attorney who was chief White House strategist in the Clinton impeachment proceedings’ manipulated the Volcker Committee into discrediting Mouselli's statements which would have established Kofi’s complicity.

I wonder which one is picking-up Kofi's attorney fee's? Bill or Hill?

#194 manker:

Well lets gas up those new Longbows and see what they can do.

LOL. Yeah, let's really piss on their ant pile!

#199

Maybe the Palestines are trying to pass the Hundred Years War in the history books before they go extinct. Sort of like leaving your mark.

#189 Smit

See if you can get on his PR team. Get him a real tan, and shine up his persona.

Other than being orange and obnoxious, he sounds promising.

Off to class, you all have a good morning.

#187 Geepers

The MSM doesn't even have to address Kilroy Silk's points. They'll simply ignore him. He'll complain about not getting air-time and column inches and they'll point out that his Veritas party is not one of the big players. He'll be marginalised as some sort of Monster Raving Loony type. Vicious circle but that's the way I see it going.

"I am sitting here examining pistols and find that I cannot figure out how to hide guns in my underwear..."

Hubba Hubba. Swamps you know how to say good morning.

I wonder which one is picking-up Kofi's attorney fee's?

i'm sure there's a Swiss slush account for this specific pupose aboo-hoo-hoo.

BTW, love your nic.

#203 Golden Jerusalem

let's really piss on their ant pile!

I'm thinking more along the lines of a helfire into there ant pile

Hi Geepers -

they can't address him without addressing his points.

I watched one interview with him, & no joke the questions were all variations on a theme.

How do you answer the charges of racism?
Recent stats show assylum claims are dropping - how do you answer charges of oppotunism now?
What is your response to the charges of race baiting?

I think the interview was meant to be about why Kilroy wants Britain to withdraw from the EU...

#174

Israeli troops on Thursday shot and killed a Palestinian militant in a West Bank refugee camp Thursday, the latest signs of strain in a recent cease-fire.

Probably just another soccer player according to MSM.

Golden Jerusalem (#193),

They'll just misrepresent his point and label him a racist.

They can do that with an event, it's going to be much harder in an ongoing political campaign.

# 199 manker

Overwhelmingly, adjacent to or just offshore of the northern coastline. You can safely ignore those smaller newer fields north and east of Rihyad.

#210 manker:

Ah, the magnifying glass and their ant pile. Fine by me.

#204 CommonSense

True they can't claim suicide bombings so they need something else.

Sort of like leaving your mark.

Don't worry they'll leave a mark

Morning Lizardelopes.

#214 Mike C.

So are they fairly close to Israel (like the red sea or other side)?

#213 geepers:

They can do that with an event, it's going to be much harder in an ongoing political campaign.

Nah. The MSM will launch their own counter-campaign, trust me.

Plenty of LLL media in Britain.

“It’s hard times for people of Middle Eastern descent,” said his lawyer, Tim Evans.

Why yes it is, Mr. Evans. Especially when they're dirtbag criminals.

# 199 manker

Sorry, I forgot. No need to target the fields at all. Just hit the export loading terminals. If the oil can't go anywhere, it's worth just about as much as sand.

#222 Mike C.

Well I'm not saying Israel should hit them. Just capture them, if the oil keeps on flowing nobody would really care.

# 219 manker

No, the northern coast, along the Arabian/Persian Gulf, not the southern coast and the Red Sea.

Al Charabiya (#206),

They'll simply ignore him.

That's my belief.

They'll not want what he's saying to be heard. People just aren't as naive about the nature of islam as they were.

The last thing they want is a well spoken professional making logical (and increasing popular so it seems) points about the problems arising from multi-cultural "tolerance".

Morning, Justdanny.

Your mom doing okay this morning?

#221

Just thought of it , the vice versa is true also:

It’s good times for lawyers in America like Tim Evans, said the people of Middle Eastern descent.

Worthwhile OT: Nice Takedown Over Jimmah Cahtuh's Hissy Fit Over the Pope's Funeral

The Carterites are hopping mad at Jimmy's perceived snub because President Bush didn't offer him a seat on Air Force One for the trip to Rome for his funeral.

Yes, what better way to remember the Holy Father's life of selfless humility than to throw a hissy-fit like a starlet turned away by a nightclub bouncer.

Not being an etiquette expert I'm not even sure what all the fuss was about. Air Force One was obviously overbooked, as so often happens since they added those extra-wide seats in business class, and Mr. Carter was undoubtedly at the top of the standby list the White House always maintains for people who call the current president a lying warmonger.

Actually, maybe not OT, since Jimmah was such a huge fan of Palestinian Jew-Killers.

Golden Jerusalem (#220),

Plenty of LLL media in Britain.

Sure. But they've lost their prestige and they're not the only game in town anymore.

Should be interesting to watch how it plays out.

#224 Mike C.

Damn, then I guess I holding Mecca hostage is the second best option.

It so bad in America, yet if we had open immigration the ME would be depopulated in 30 days. 'cept for Israel.

Even better, a liberal blogger wrote last week that Condoleezza Rice should have given her seat on Air Force One to Carter. The Democrats wisely passed on this chance to return to their original position on civil rights: that black women using mass transit be required to give up their seats to white men.

#168 Al Charabiya

Yes, I think that the system of European football is rotten too.

Too much money revolving about it; the clubs are not willing to crack down on the thugs because they would lose revenue - and face possible retaliation. Police is not doing much preventive and infiltration work, also because the size of police force is not that big, and they have to deal with a lot of issues.
Hooligans are often close to other circles like lefty squats and right-wing associations.

Smit (#211),

I think the interview was meant to be about why Kilroy wants Britain to withdraw from the EU...

So what's the consensus about that with the British people?

# 223 manker

Vastly less feasible scenario there. Should they for some reason want to, Israel could probably pull off a short campaign to bomb the loading terminals into rubble. But to take and hold them ? Doesn't sound possible to me. And holding loading terminals does squat if you can't also insure the flow of oil TO the terminals, so what ? And the oil fields themselves cover an area substantially larger than Israel, much of it offshore.

#228

Jimmy needs to go "negotiate" another non-nuclear peace treaty with North Korea. They really stuck to the last one.

Yesterday I read that the plan was to spread nicotin poison in London. Well, the media are notoriously sloppy in regard to anything scientific or technical.

SwampWoman

She has been pretty stable the last few days. So long as we can keep the pain meds adjusted right, she does alright.

Thank you for asking.

#233

Another from the peaceful muslim followers. Nothing new or surprising.

Such ignorance from the global community on a threat to society, sounds like WW2.

#236 Mike C.

Ah screw it, let just bomb all the areas that don't have oil. It's not like they have much value.

#236 Mike in VA:

I think you're vastly overestimating the Saudis ability to actually fight. They prefer infidels to do the fighting for them, remeber?

All their units which were involved in GWI were absolute shite but for propaganda reasons, much was made of their participation.

The whole senarion discussed by you and manker here is of course theoretical, but let's say war breaks out between Israel and Saudi.

Fine, most of the Saudi oil fiels are between Southern Iraq and Qatar --HINT HINT-- "protective custody", know what I mean?

#238

We are lucky to have the media cover it.

I'd like to see an article on all the Islamic activity worldwide on any single day. Front page.

If it wasn't for Muslims or Muslim related stories I swaer the daily papers would be 3 pages long and the news about 10 minutes.

American Infidel (#242),

Send that to Charles.

#239 JustDanny

She has been pretty stable the last few days. So long as we can keep the pain meds adjusted right, she does alright.

Very happy to hear that. Give her my best.

#242

"If the truth hurts..."
"If the shoe fits..."

Manker & Mike C.

The only way the result you want is going to happen is through a blockade.

Israel can't steamroll the ME. They can't take the whole monster on with conventional weapons.

I truly feel the only way that monster will ever be muzzled is by blockade.

And of course Im talking about a blockade so large it seems entirely impossible. But it isnt an impossible job. It can be done.

Let it fester and stew without its tentacles stretched across the planet and it will quickly self destruct, I think.

OT:

Stupidity is continuing it's massive rise

Israel, Egypt discuss troop deployment

I don't see why 4,000 troops are needed on the gaza-egypt border. Their's a reason why it's called the gaza strip. Honestly what really needs to happen is for the soldiers already there to do their job. But thats like asking abbas to stop terrorism. Israel should have built that moat.

#243 bigel:

Good point. The peaceloving EUropeeans even like to rant about how American sports (on-field), like football and hockey, are violent - the inferred meaning being, of course, that Americans are violent and eeevil.

This is so Euro...Germany reclaims Einstein as their own. Which brings to mind a great quote from Einstein..

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.

#225 Geepers

Quite. By admitting that Kilroy has a point they'd be opening a real can of worms. Difficult questions would have to be asked about what we Brits are going to do about scum who throw eggs at Oona King in Bethnal Green, the hate-mongering found in many of our mosques, the increasingly isolationist views of our muslims who want their children educated in Islamic schools, whether kids should be allowed to wear Saudi outfits to class, etc, etc.

Far, far easier for the MSM to dodge all those questions, put their heads in the sand and call Kilroy a racist. I wonder how many times over this election campaign we'll be reminded of his sacking by the BBC for his article highlighting the sorry state of the Arab world?

#244 Golden Jerusalem

I was thinking along those lines, the US would have to send troops to protect the global economy.

#245 CommonSense:

If it wasn't for Muslims or Muslim related stories I swaer the daily papers would be 3 pages long and the news about 10 minutes.

Which really puts in perspective the massive job the MSM are doing of falsifying the facts and creating an alternative MSM universe in which terror cells are "alledged", terrorists are "militants" or "insurgents" and islam is a "peaceful religion with a tiny minority of extremists".

#252

That link made my day, best part is paragraph 1.

BERLIN (Reuters) - Suffering from an acute lack of heroes after losing two world wars, Germany has reclaimed Albert Einstein as one of its greatest national figures even though the Jewish physicist fled the Nazis hating his native country.

#253 Al Charabiya

The funny thing is Beeb, funded by the British government could get away with telling the truth if it wanted to. It's not like losing customers would hurt its bottom line so much.

#258 bigel

what about the who concert. Yes there was no riot, but wasn't it the pressure of the crowd that actually caused the deaths?

#258 bigel:

your colleague's argument is bullshit anyways. Tickets for soccer matches are very expensive as well. your average English Premiership fixture will set you back around $80. High-profile matches as much as $150.

Besides, it's well documented that many of the worst hooligans are well-to-do. Their wear designer brands and travel.

Quick, somebody should tell Ibrahim Hooper that some members of CAIR forgot that the R.O.P is against terrorism.

Hey Ib, better put that at the top of today's to-do list!

#262 & All

Not a lick of this mentioned on CAIR homepage

#260 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

Would you agree that an isolated incident and the norm are two different things?

All the real hooligans I know are well to do.
Us po' folks is mighty civilized. Matter of fact the best people I have ever known have all been so-called hooligans, and the worst have all been so-called well-to-do.
Money, generally speaking, makes you more of what you already are.
Unfortunately, most people are assholes.

And... the CAIR founder being convicted of Terrorism?

YEE HAW baby!

Bigel

Apparently we can blame soccer hooliganism like the tradgedy at Heysel on violent genes like those found in the English working class.

Many cite what is seen as the inherent violence of the English working class. Others argue that somehow fighting is in the gene pool, a nation that has sent almost every generation of its men folk to war throughout antiquity has produced a social stratum naturally predisposed to violent disorder.

And I thought it was just too much beer...

#234 Fabio C

Hooligans are often close to other circles like lefty squats and right-wing associations.

Just went to get a coffee and was thinking about this. That's not necessarily the case in the UK where most hooligans are C18-affiliated. I suppose the only difference is that our thugs can't get into the stadia and instead meet up at remote locations to kick seven shades of sh1t out of each other. We clearly haven't solved the problem as these cnuts, although barred from UK clubs, still seem to enjoy following the national team. That said, passport checks seem to have reduced the numbers of these that manage to travel abroad and in doing so cut the violence.

#243 Bigel

It might be the case on mainland Europe but it isn't the case in England I'm afraid. No monkey chants here. Even the atmosphere is more relaxed I'd say; many people complain that Premiership games are too quiet and more of a family event these days believe it or not!

I'm not sure how you'd class the "Yiddos!" Spurs chanting. Dave Ray would know more than I do about that, but AFAIK it was originally a racist chant aimed at Spurs fans which was then adopted by Spurs as a two-fingered saluted back at the cnuts giving them abuse. The only real ar$eholes I've ever come across were Leeds fans who hissed throughout a Spurs match mimicking gas chambers. They were rightfully reviled by most sensible football fans.

#251 Golden Jerusalem

Anyone who accuses the US of having the most violent sports clearly hasn't been to Ireland or Australia. Aussie rules football, Gaelic football and hurling are three of the most vicious sports I've ever had the pleasure(?) to watch.

@239 JustDanny

Your mum is in my prayers. May she be filled with peace
and freed from the pain. Blessings on her and on you.

You want to see violence and mayhem? Be on OSU campus after they win a national championship and you'll have all the burning dumpsters, flipped cars and drunken fist fights you'll ever need.

I just noticed that the link Charles gives mentions nothing about CAIR involvement. Guess the MSM doesn't want to expose Muslims carities for the corupt front that they are.

#264 justdanny
#266 bigel

I don't know anything about soccer hooliganism. I was just pointing out that if the pressure of the crowd was the actual cause of the deaths then maybe you can't blame the fights directly...

But hooliganism does connect to the rest of the conversation.

Perhaps its fear of stirring up a violent public that they have nothing but fear of and loathing for is the reason the British press (with the exception of a few tabloids) whitewashes Islam.

#257 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

True. But the Beeb is run by some genuinely bigoted people isn't it? I'm thinking of the whole "miltant" vs "terrorist" debate. Plus, a threat from Ol' Hooky Hamza or some of his buddies to bomb White City for cussing Islam and they'd soon be towing the Dhimmi line... Even the normally outspoken Fox network had to have that little disclaimer in 24 didn't they?

Besides, the Beeb would look a bit stupid were they to admit that Kilroy was right all along wouldn't they? A shame and a waste of public money, but there we are.

#270

Glad my tax money goes to good use funding the educations of those.

It's the alcohol that causes the fights.
If the Hooligans were all smoking pot they'd go get snacks after and go watch cartoons.

Here is a story with a happy ending. Too bad they had to wait 67 years though.. After 67 years, justice for 2 Jewish families

#276

What holocast?...lol

Good morning Babba

Is it just the two of us or are peacekeeper etc. around

oh just mailed my taxes. How bout's you.

#273 Al Charabiya

Da beeb is no where near as bigoted as Reuters, I think.

Cool that they're seeing some loss of market. Maybe they'll morph into a despot only wire service, used by Egypt, Iran etc. only. That's where their sympathies lie already.

#250 manker 4/14/2005 06:07AM PDT
OT:
Stupidity is continuing it's massive rise

It only gets better..

Wednesday, April 13, 2005
EGYPT TO DEPLOY COMBAT HELICOPTERS, ANTI-TANK WEAPONS, ALONG ISRAELI BORDER

JERUSALEM [MENL] -- Egypt plans to deploy combat helicopters along its border with Israel.

Israeli officials said the government of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has approved a plan for the Egyptian deployment of helicopters, light armored vehicles, anti-tank weapons and 750 commandos along the border with the Gaza
Strip and Israel.

They said Egypt could introduce its military presence by 2006, after Israel withdraws from the Gaza Strip.

The Egyptian military has a range of Western-origin helicopters. They include the U.S.-origin AH-64A Apache attack helicopter, the SA-342 Gazelle, the light transport UH-12E and the S-70A Black Hawk.

Officials said the introduction of Egyptian forces and heavy weaponry would facilitate Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza-Egypt border, termed the Philadelphi Route. Egypt has urged Israel to include Philadelphi in its withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in July 2005.

Exactly.

German troops facilitated Jews withdrawl from most of Europe not too long ago, IIRC...