In your dreams, Conyers.

Legislating hate crimes opened the door for this. I believe it will be shot down or overturned. This is too extreme...

Hey Johnny C ever heard of the first ammendment?

I wonder how this resolution would be enforced. Would the creator of 'Piss Christ', for example, be subject to criminal arrest?

#2

If not, predict photos of Korans being flushed down the toilets or encased in dog poop.

JG

A pandering dhimmi. For shame!

And 7 million Muslims? I smell CAIR, et al. all over this. They probably drafted it for him.

Screw him with an anvil.

I guess Conyers is trying to wrap up the Galloway constituency.

7 million? Really?

This is a f*cking outrage

Conyers has always been a friend to the enemy. Communism then, koranism now.

You have to do everything you possibly can to fight this. We have something similar to it here in my state in Australia and it is disgusting. You can be prosecuted for quoting the Koran. We have a minister here who is possibly going to jail for this and he has already been jailed in his country of origin for practicing Christianity.

Gosh, now where amI gonna find koran tp?

Now this is beyond sad ...

{**former** Michiganian}

New thread on Conyers blog
He is still pushing this crap.

I received a large number of comments, and quite a spirited debate, concerning my resolution opposing religious intolerance, including desecration of the Quran. I appreciate all of the comments, both those supporting and opposing my actions. I continue to believe that given recent events, it is worthwhile for the Congress to actually express its support for the freedom of religion. The resolution was drafted to oppose all religious intolerance. To the extent it mentions the Quran and Islam specifically, that is obviously to respond to those who believe our nation would tolerate disrespect of that religion or its holy book. Clearly we should not, at least in my opinion.

AND conyers blogs on Kos Push Back on the White House Newsweek Scam

Muslims aren't going to like this. How can you fight to condemn bigotry, acts of violence, and intolerance without banning the Koran?

Christianity mentioned once, Islam or Islamic mentioned 7 times. Sounds like this proposed law is just another attempt by the liberals to put all other religeons before Christianity.

If this law passes can we then cut funding to 'artists' who denigrate Christianity or is that still freedom of expression.

Amy,

I too smell CAIR all over this one.

Absolutely outrageous and demands action from all of us who refuse to be dhimmitized...

Islam means peace? Who the hell told you that, John? Lemme guess, Ibrahim Hooper?

So anyway, as I was saying, Satanists are people too and their faith deserves the same respect...

That's right Mr. Conyers. Every American should also have a copy of the Quran...and use the pages to wipe their asses with!

Fuck you, Conyers.

And the camel you rode in on.

Did they pay you for this? Threaten you?

Or are you just a dhimmidiot?

This is so blatantly obvious. In the second paragraph it talks of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, then the next three paragraphs talk only of Islam and the koran.

Oh, yeah, it's not at all clear what the legislation is really for...sarc/off

Conyers: Shove your koran up your ass.

It's main focus is the "holy" Koran.
No one will tell me to respect that death cultist book of death.

Liberals gravitate towards eternal victim types and those who would be our enemy. Those who killed innocents (you know - the left's "little eichmanns") on 9/11 did so in the name of the very religion John Conyers Jr.(Democrat) wants to protect.

What happened to freedom of speech?

Meanwhile - liberals despise Christianity
Liberals despise Israel and secretly and not so secretly - the Jews.

It's going to get ugly, folks.
The libs are leftists.

"Religious"

LOL.

You go John.

I wonder if the ACLU will fight this establishment of religion. Does this mean its okay to defame unlisted religions. Ironically, this will allow the Christian Coalition to stop all funding of anti-Christian art. Just like in Europe, the left is willing to sacrafice its cherished ideals, in this case the right to mock religion, to be good dhimmis.

# 21 Barb

Did they pay you for this?
Possibly

Threaten you?
Probably not

Or are you just a dhimmidiot?
We have a winner!
:-(

Elle Plater
You have to do everything you possibly can to fight this. We have something similar to it here in my state in Australia and it is disgusting. You can be prosecuted for quoting the Koran. We have a minister here who is possibly going to jail for this and he has already been jailed in his country of origin for practicing Christianity.
___

We know, we've posted about it here. It is disgusting...a once proud nation...

Write to your state's Congressional Representative and tell her/him to vote NO on this abysmal resolution.

U.S. House of Representatives website:

[Link: www.house.gov...]

#4 solomonpanting

The so-called artist didn't criticize Islam so where's the problem
/sarc

Yeah. Let's talk.

Outrageous.

Conyers again! He makes a cottage industry of dreaming up these resolutions. Never forget too that he and Charlie Rangel sponsored the one proposing a draft and then accused the Republicans before the election of bring back the draft. What chutzpah!

the thing is they try to act like it is open for ALL religons but the detailed language show only sensitivity to Islam. When are people going to realize pandering to the faith is not going to help rid the world of terrorists?

"US Representative?" John Conyers Jr is an example of the dementia that results from breathing in a methane saturated atmosphere which, in Conyers case is a direct result of having his head up his ass since he graduated from Jr High School. Conyers sees hope for his affliction though, as John Kerry, who likewise suffers from methane induced dementia, is a "member" of the US Senate and a living testament of the hights that one can reach breathing methane. Neither man is a smoker, much to the relief of their life insurance carriers.

#28 Stars and Stripes
Already done. Another choice quote from the dhimmi's mouth:

I should start by expressing my gratitude to all of the panelists, but to Air America Radio and the Al Franken Show in particular... Whenever I hear Randi Rhodes, I am struck by her humble sincerity. Randi laid out specific policy proposals that will, without a doubt, be the foundation of future legislation.

ewww

Yeearghh

I'm not in Conyors' district, but I am one seriously pissed off Michigander. Fuck him and every Representative that votes for that POS Resolution.

I'm not defending it--but mind you, this isn't a law he's proposing, but a resolution.

Like the one Idaho had about how great Napoleon Dynamite is.

Granted I think it's stupid pandering, but it's not a law and it won't punish anyone for anything.

However, anyone who votes against it will be tarred with "you don't support tolerance for Muslims".

It'll pass, and it'll mean nothing.

#36 Gabriel
I can only speak for me, but I do NOT want that piece of crap written in our history. Period.

what do you expect from Michiganistan?

Track this POS Bill, day by day...

Isn't there a way to change the name of the party to the Dhimmicrats?

conservatives are becoming sickened by republicans.

#35 Solomon X

I'm not in Conyors' district, but I am one seriously pissed off Michigander.

Is the 14th district Little Fallujah (Detroit)? I tried to link to the map on Conyers' site but it wouldn't open.

His district is in Detroit. He is making nice to his Mooslim constituents.

Detroit -- Home of America's largest mosque!

Islamic Center of America

Yet another reason to close the borders to America's enemies. Why is that so unthinkable?

From Conyers' blog

Comment #67: FFDN said on 5/24/05 @ 8:30pm ET...

I wonder if there were any House Resolutions to respect Nazism and Mein Kampf during WWII?

That is the reason why definitive action has not been done since 9-11. Give Grandma a cavity search before boarding the plane just in case SHE might be a terrorist...

Politicians are whoring for votes, not sure whether their constituents want sharia here in the US or not. Gotta feel the water for a few more years. The "Right or Wrong, I Hate Bush" crowd hasn't helped.

More apropo, the question would have been,

I wonder if there were any House Resolutions by Republicans to respect Nazism?

There was debate on what side in the world war to back, while FDR went quietly about supporting his side.

#36, Gabriel Hannah. You got a problem with Napolian Dynamite?

conyers/mckinney '08...running on the islamic party ticket...LOL.

Here's what that traitor ( Is there some other word to describe Conyers?) wrote about his resolution:

[Link: www.conyersblog.us...]

Blogged by JC on 05.19.05 @ 11:17 PM ET

Introduction of Resolution Condemning Religious Bigotry

Today I introduced a straightforward Sense of the Congress Resolution that would simply condemn bigotry and intolerance against any religious group, and recognize that the Quran, as any other holy book of any religion should be treated with dignity and respect. The full text of the resolution should be available on Thomas tomorrow.

I would have thought that in the wake of the Newsweek controversy and all of the lingering doubts about U.S. policy toward Muslims in general and the Koran in particular, that this resolution would be something that all Members of Congress could support. Instead of devoting so much time and energy towards blaming Newsweek, and figuring out who in the Pentagon cleared the story, shouldn’t we just end the doubts by saying once and for all it is not our official policy to denigrate the Muslim religion?

I sent a dear colleague to every Member of the House asking for their support, and so far Reps. Jackson Lee, Eshoo, Filner, Kucinich, Meehan, Pascrell, and Serrano have signed on. I may be naive, but I would really hope the Republicans as well as President Bush would jump on my resolution so we can at least begin to mend fences with our friends. Unfortunately, I hear that the Republicans are instead working on a Newsweek bashing resolution.

Figures.
He is from Detroit.
Maybe next he can pass a bill that any Arabic/Muslim looking indiviidual can cross from Windsor Canada without having his documents checked.

They can rename Ambassador Bridge the Jihadi Highway!

Well with a few changes to the proposed law to fully protect Christianity and the Jewish faith, it would be possible to throw all the muslim preachers in jail, and ban much of the inflamitory parts of the koran.
This may blow up in CAIR's face. Where is islam without the hate?

36 Gabriel

Exactly right - hundreds of these meaningless resolutions are proposed every year and are approved without a vote. My only problem with the resolution is the mention of 7 million Muslims in the US, rather than the actual 1 to 2 million.

Whereas the Quran is the holy book for Muslims who recite passages from it in prayer and learn valuable lessons about peace, humanity and spirituality

Oh, and killing Jews, Christians and other infidels.

Minor, minor detail.

Move along, nothing to see here.

#37, I agree with you. Even if it is just a Sense of the House Resolution, and not a piece of legislation, it would go into the Congressional Record wouldn't it? God help us.

#36 Gabriel Hanna

Thank you. There are literally thousands of these resolutions passed each year, and none of them have any weight in law. They pass fail on an ayes/nays basis, and usually there "might be" 10 people in chambers when it happens.

Should we suppose that a country that doesn't pursue legal action against those who desecrate our country's flag will create laws to prosecute those who desecrate the Koran?

I seriously doubt it. If they do, they'll have to explain to the American people why it's OK to desecrate our flag, and not the Koran. That could get a bit sticky, if you know what I mean...

#51, Morgan. You just think thats your only problem. You seem to need to do an inventory.

With the conyers/mckinney ticket this person will get another crack at kim jong il...ahhh, life will be good...:).

#36 Gabriel Hanna

However, anyone who votes against it will be tarred with "you don't support tolerance for Muslims".

You say this as though it was a BAD thing.

36 Gabriel Hanna

There is an old Arab proverb (how appropriate, eh) 'Never let the camel get his nose under the tent'

There are a lot of us who were convinced that McCain-Feingold would never pass. Then when it passed we were convinced it would never survive in court; then we ended up having to live with it.

This little bit of Democrat frippary is the first step in an attempt to make sure that the Koran does not have to stand up to scrutiny. Its the weakest link in Islam, a free society scrutinizing the tenents of the "religion" --- it can't stand up to a real public airing and this is the opening step to prevent that.

Look around: in England you can't criticize
Islam; in Australia you can't criticize Islam; in Italy you can't criticize Islam; in Canada you can't criticize Islam. Watch this space for further developments.

Slightly OT - sorry if already posted -

Female TV host's killing sends chill through Kabul

Staff at a controversial TV station in Kabul are taking extra security precautions in the wake of a killing last Wednesday of a former colleague who was shot dead in her Kabul home.

Shaima Rezayee had worked for Tolo TV before being dismissed two months ago amid complaints by conservatives over her on-air demeanor. In a departure from the public personae of many Afghan women, Ms. Rezayee adopted Western-style dress and chatted with male counterparts as a veejay for a music-video program named "Hop."

A council of religious scholars criticized Tolo and other broadcasters this spring for airing "programs opposed to Islam and national values."

Police are still investigating Rezayee's death, but they have told reporters that the young woman's brothers may have been involved. In Afghanistan and other conservative societies, women may face violence at the hands of male relatives over perceived affronts to family "honor."

It's unclear if Rezayee was killed because of her appearances on TV or over personal matters.

The long journey to dhimmitude starts with a single step. Conyers is idiot and a politcal whore, if Aztecs were moving into metro Detroit, he'd cheerfully introduce a resolution supporting human sacrifice.

#51 but...but... Morgan

The current figure that the propagandists like to toss around is that 3% of the country is Muslim, and that's around 8.7 million people.

And bats fly out my butt...

The civil war many here prophesized in the past year has started--but the firing hasn't. Seditious acts of legislation and communication at a national level--in this Congressional resolution and the Newsweek story, demonstrate it.

But will the president or the Republican Party do anything about this? The president let his wife and press secretary rebuke Newsweek--even tho he had the authority to charge the publication with criminal libel and incitement to riot and murder. And not a single Repub Congressman made a sound either. Instead, he and they have chosen to appease the Left here in the US.

I don't think Bush will go after Conyers or the Democrats on this either. At this point,
I wonder when vigilante action will begin.

I do NOT want this logged in the record, particularly with the typically inflated muslim numbers like #51 morgan says. This resolution is taqiyya, plain and simple.

"Islam is about peace, humanity, and spirituality"

Huck

Michigan's Congressional Districts

Conyers District, 14th, is in Detroit while the heaviest muslim population in the area is just west in Dearborn.

Hey Conyers, yeah you [deleted], since you are so interested in freedom of religion, how 'bought you pushing through legislation, in the interest of freedom of religion and democracy and all that, demanding that Saudi Arabia open its doors to all religions and their evangalists', or else be considered a totalitarian state most worthy of liberation.

Freedom of speech, Conyers; love it or shove it.

#36 Gabriel Hanna - No disrect intended, but you are incorrect when you say "It'll pass, and it'll mean nothing."
You're correct when you say it's not a law, however, even assuming the 7 million number is correct, then we have the US Congress* passing a resolution clearly directed to "benefit" less than 3% of the US Population, it IS meaningful. Moreover, it makes no mention at all of people who do not believe in ANY religion; what about their rights?
This is worse than silly pandering to a tiny minority of the population; it's setting them up for "special" treatment in direct contradiction to the First Amendment of the US Constitution.
* you just KNOW some Dhimmi US Senator will introduce a corresponding resolution in the Senate, then the effort will be made to make it a joint-resolution; i.e., it is the sense of the United States Congress that Muslims deserve certain priviliges and rights.
It's nauseating, disgusting and dangerous.

# 54
Thank you for the civics lesson.

You may think it's just another meaningless resolution but Conyers obviously wishes to use this resolution in order to embarrass the President and the American People:

" I may be naive, but I would really hope the Republicans as well as President Bush would jump on my resolution so we can at least begin to mend fences with our friends." Conyers wrote. ( see # 48 )

I think it is you who is being naive here.

Brenda #44 -

His district is in Detroit. He is making nice to his Mooslim constituents.

Bingo! Nothing complicated about this - it's pandering plain and simple.

And arresting somebody for supporting terrorist jihad, or for committing terrorist jihad, is not permitted, because jihad is mentioned in the holy book of those of the Islamic faith. To interfere with somebody's holy right to carry out jihad is a bias-motivated act, and that is contrary to the resolution introduced into Congress.

/explaining the arguments that will be used in the future by the attorneys for those detained for terrorist jihad or for supporting terrorist jihad.

1 Resolved, That the House of Representatives–

(1) condemns bigotry, acts of violence, and intolerance against any religious group.

(2) declares that the civil rights and civil liberties of all individuals.

(3) calls upon local, State, and Federal authorities to work to prevent bias-motivated crimes and acts against all individuals.

I don't know, looks about right to me.

As far as #1, define religion against cultism.

with our friends

YOUR FRIENDS MAYBE. I HAVE NO MUSLIM FRIENDS.

BIGOT? NO. JUST AN AMERICAN THAT LOVES MY COUNTRY JUST LIKE IT IS, - NOT UNDER THE RULE OF ISLAMIC LAW.

KEEP YOUR FILTHY MUSLIM LOVING HANDS OFF MY HISTORY, OFF MY CONSTITUTION( is there any doubt that it'll be the next target?) AND OUT OF MY MIND, YOU PANDERING LEFTIST.

WAKE UP AMERICA! WAKE UP !

Yeah, I saw this coming.

The sad part is that our spineless, worthless politicians might just cave and give the Muslims what they want.
Pathetic.

#62 The Bruce

But will the president or the Republican Party do anything about this? The president let his wife and press secretary rebuke Newsweek--even tho he had the authority to charge the publication with criminal libel and incitement to riot and murder. And not a single Repub Congressman made a sound either. Instead, he and they have chosen to appease the Left here in the US.

Let's just pray that there are no McCains in office next go round. He may have been a POW, but don't use that as a ticket punch for your political career Senator. All the more reason it seems he's so chummy with Kerry IMHO.

I'm sorry guys, I just don't see this as a problem, or a "ceml with his nose under the tent" situation. These resolutions don't have any legal force, they are just showboating.

The resolution is framed in such a way that it makes a person who votes against it look like a bigot. We don't help our friends in Congress if we urge them to vote against it. MoveOn.org will trumpet it to the skies.

Just let it pass or die or whatever, I think.

How much respect is to be mandated by Congress for books that hold other faiths in contempt, or that call for those of other faiths to be murdered?

I'm trying to understand this guy's angle.
We MUST respect islamics...
But MY CHILDREN CAN'T PRAY AT SCHOOL?!?!
ES&D!

How much respect is Congress to mandate for a book that calls for the murder of an apostate?

#76 Gabriel Hanna
Pastor Martin Niemoeller

#64

Aaaah, I see Free Speech already found a definition of 'cultism'.

It's more religious oppression from BushHitler and John Ashkkkroft!
 

Some of you don't get it:

resolution != Act of Congress

A resolution is not a law. It cannot be a law. It has no legal force. It cannot be used in legal arguments to give special rights to Muslims.

If a resolution is a law, then Idaho made criticizing Napoleon Dynamite illegal this year!

The City of Berkely is famous for these--resolutions condemning racism, resolutions against nuclear weapons, etc. They mean nothing.

They pass thousands of these every year. They're just for politicians to preen over and to flatter constitutents.

SHOULD Conyers pander to Muslims. No. Does this hurt any of the rest of us? No.

When the FREAKING GOVERNMENT STARTS TELLING US WHO WE CAN HATE, LOVE, LIKE, OR DISLIKE, IT'S NOW OR NEVER PEOPLE. WE EITHER STAND UP AND TELL THEM TO GO TO HELL NOW, OR WE GET CRUSHED BY THE HEAVY BOOT OF FEDERAL RULE AND TURNED OVER TO THE HORDE WHEN THEY FINALLY DO TAKE AWAY EVERY LAST DROP OF OUR LIBERTY.

THIS IS SO INSANE THAT I'M YELLING AND I'M SORRY BUT I CAN'T SIT HERE AND CALMLY MAKE SNIDE REMARKS ABOUT THE LEFTISTS ANY LONGER. ( I mean, I can and I will, but for G-d's sake isn't there anything more we can do to fight the ideals of the left? )

that's it. i'm starting my own talk show on am.

Owl Enraged at the top of the hour folks...

But... It can't happen here. Yes it can. Conyers will get this passed me thinks.

*spit*

Well,

I've email my rep. in congress. How 'bout you guys and gals? Get off LGF, and contact your reps. in congress. Its the least you can do. It takes only five minutes of your time.

From Conyers' proposal:

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives condemning bigotry and religious intolerance, and recognizing that holy books of every religion should be treated with dignity and respect.

Whereas believers of all religions, including the Abrahamic faiths of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, should be treated with respect and dignity;
...
Whereas mistreatment of prisoners and disrespect toward the holy book of any religion is unacceptable and against civilized humanity;
...
(3) recognizes that the Quran, the holy book of Islam, as any other holy book of any religion, should be treated with dignity and respect

Has anyone mentioned the very first words in the Bill of Rights, which completely renders this Conyers crap unconstitutional from the outset? :

Bill of Rights

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

End of argument.

realwest #68

Right on. This follows the pattern of Muslim agitation for special consideration in every country they have managed to infiltrate.

What comes next is Muslim-instigated civil war when their numbers reach a critical mass, as in Thailand, the Philippines, Kashmir, the former Soviet Union, and on and on and on. In just about every country in the world where there is a significant Muslim minority, there is constant conflict. They just can't live with others in peace, and they refuse to live under an "infidel" government or abide by its rules.

#65 GW

I hate to burst your bubble, GW, but Dearborn IS in Conyers' district.

#80 John Steele

Pastor Niemoller doesn't apply here--but thank you for trying for the Godwin. That's a really trollish thing to do.

A RESOLUTION is NOT A LAW. IT HAS NO LEGAL FORCE. CONGRESS PASSES THESE BY THE BUSHEL. THEY'VE PROBABLY ALREADY PASSED 10 SINCE 1990 AND I BET THERE'S ONE FOR WICCANS.

This isn't just harmless.

There were people involved in 9/11 that freely crossed into the US from Canada in Detroit. They had (and Im sure still have) sympathizers there. They also freely crossed through Buffalo also. If you recall the FBI rolled up a cell in Lackawana NY. 6 miles From the Canadian Border.

So Conyers pandering to them is a disgrace.

Conyers is truly an enemy agent.

..I would not mind this so much if I thought the sentiment was reciprocated..and I dont..

#87 zombie
I am going to write my congressman again, and I am going to pilfer your text, it is succinct.

#83 Gabriel Hanna - that's the third post you've made on this thread saying the same thing. Please see my #68.
Put it another way, suppose a similar resolution were to be introduced in the House or the Senate, singling out Jews as opposed to Muslims? Do you really think the Dhimmi's wouldn't go batshit over that?

Personally, Conyers only gets upset by disrespect for the Communist Manifesto.

zombie #87 -

I trust that your tongue was firmly planted in your cheek when you wrote that, since "respecting" in the First Amendment means "relating to" or "concerning."

Boulder, Colorado has TONS of resolutions. Among those:

Boulder is a nuclear-free zone.

Boulder is a hate-free zone.

Neither resolution is worth a dime. Boulder is neither, not by a long shot.

#97 Amy
Either way, zombie's text works for me! I like it.

really grumpy... #98

Boulder is just a city, like Berzerkly - who cares?

But Conyers is introducing a resolution in the House of Representatives that will apply to the whole freakin' country!

#83 Gabriel Hanna

Gabriel, I think most people here understand that it isn't a law and cannot be used the way laws are used. But many of us are offended that a Congressman, even if he's only pandering, would attempt to have the Congress of the United States of America place its imprimature on a book that mandates the killing of people who do not accept it; the hunting down and killing of Jews, Christians, Hindus, anyone who does not willingly accept Islam.

To the best of my knowledge, no other major religion, monotheistic or polythestic, calls for the subjugation and killing of people of other faiths and for the killing of anyone who decides to find God down a different path. No other religion calls for the state to be governed by the laws layed out in its scriptures.

It is my beleive that Islam and American democracy are antithetical and cannot coexist --- and it isn't because America won't allow it.

Congressman Conyers is an intelligent man. But I will put money that he has never read even the first page of the Koran.

# 83 wrote, "The City of Berkely is famous for these--resolutions condemning racism, resolutions against nuclear weapons, etc. They mean nothing."

# 98 wrote, "Boulder, Colorado has TONS of resolutions. Among those:
Boulder is a nuclear-free zone.
Boulder is a hate-free zone.
Neither resolution is worth a dime. Boulder is neither, not by a long shot.

In case no one was looking, we are not talking about a city here. We are talking about the Congress of the United States.

See, here's the thing, ladies and gentlemen.

I love this site. Been reading it every day since 2002. It is one of the very few places where I can expect to see some truth about radical Islam and its allies on the Left.

But I don't comment here very much because it seems like a lot of us lack a sense of proportion.

It's happened to me before here. I point out that a resolution is not a law and has no legal force and someone calls me Pastor Niemoller. I don't appreciate that kind of friendly fire over what amounts to nothing.

I think it is very important that we concentrate on real problems and real threats. This is not one of these.

I'm glad to know Conyers is the kind of horse's ass who'd want to sponsor such a thing. But it is not a threat.

If it were a proposed Act of Congress it WOULD be.

But here we are, getting all worked up for nothing.

This is a resolution. It is a harmless piece of vanity showboating that city, state, county and Congress do all the time.

Your own city council may well have done something similar.

It is a formality, and legally meaningless.

As I have pointed out twice now, Idaho did one about Napoleon Dynamite this year.

I think we ought to save our outrage and over-the-top rhetoric for really important things.

Utterly despicable.

When are we going to demand that our representatives in Congress and the Gov't ACTUALLY EDUCATE THEMSELVES about the horror-show which calls itself "Islam."

When the U.S. starts to legislate thought crimes is the time I become militant.

Organize NOW!

Join the Christian Falange of America

#86 rendiew_trebor

Good job. Care to share?

Crimson Fisted #99

Suit yourself, but I think you'll make yourself look kinda silly writing to your representatives using an argument based on the mistaken belief that the "respect" in Conyers's resolution has the same meaning as "respecting" in the First Amendment.

Law or not!
It's the basic principal that has me miffed!
moslim, islam, arab gets 10 or more mentions in this script.
Christianity gets 1!
If a Christian goes to their land, he suffers GREATLY.
I think it's high time they get the same treatment here.
No resolution will force these [bigoted word]s to fit in the mainstream here.
They don't want to be treated equal.
We shouldn't be forced to treat them equal.

John Steele: "Look around: in England you can't criticize Islam; in Australia you can't criticize Islam; in Italy you can't criticize Islam; in Canada you can't criticize Islam. Watch this space for further developments."

This is why naming the enemy at the start of this war was so vital--it would have exposed the ideology and aims of the enemy to the entire public. By doing that, we could have united the country behind a genuine war effort.

Instead, we have open borders, unrestricted Muslim immigration, open subversion of our laws and sabotage of our meager war effort.

And this is taking place while Repubs control the Executive and Legislative branches of the federal government.

I still say we are looking at a military government in the near future.

Why is a resolution of Congress singling out one faith -- Islam -- for special consideration?

Why should a resolution of Congress single out "the Abrahamic faiths" for special consideration? Isn't that a slap at our Hindu citizens of this country? Isn't that a slap at our Buddhist citizens of this country? Isn't that a slap at our Confucian citizens of this country? Isn't that a slap at all of the citizens of this country whose religion is not "Abrahamic" according to the Muslim definition of Abrahamic?

What business is it of Congress what faith a person has?

Oh, for heaven's sake. I DO wish people would get over their aversion to using like as a conjunction.*

*It has faithfully served that purpose since at least the 11th Century.

I note that said Conyers is in Motown.

Have the sons of Ishmael taken over the joint? Looks like a rescue party may be in order.

90 Gabriel Hanna 5/24/2005 07:57PM PDT
#80 John Steele

Pastor Niemoller doesn't apply here--but thank you for trying for the Godwin. That's a really trollish thing to do.

A RESOLUTION is NOT A LAW. IT HAS NO LEGAL FORCE. CONGRESS PASSES THESE BY THE BUSHEL. THEY'VE PROBABLY ALREADY PASSED 10 SINCE 1990 AND I BET THERE'S ONE FOR WICCANS.

Niemoller doen't apply here because Gabriel says so. I guess "trollish" is safer than some other epithet.

And there may very well be one for Wiccans. As silly as I think Wicca is as far as I know there are no Wiccans running around avocating the killing of Christians, Jews, and anyone else they don't agree with.

SCREW THIS RESOLUTION! It is my goddam right as an American to say anything I F***ing want about the koran.

Actually, I believe it's more like 2 million Moloch-worshippers in our fair country. That's 1,999,999 too many (Fouad Ajami can stay).

It doesn't matter whether it's a city or a country or the UN, the words mean no more than the thousands of words of drivel that are published in the Congressional Record every single day.

But of course, the MSM will publicize this with two thousand staggered time-release canned news stories, all virtually identical, in order to maximize the negative effect upon our country (and upon our sitting President's popularity ratings), and to increase the orgasmic satisfaction of the stoned LLL "intellectuals" who were all probably watching Desperate Housewives last night...

Interesting quotes from the piece of shit book of the religion of piece of shit. Fucking moooslims are pissing me off with all this shit.

Koran 98:1-8
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

Koran 22:19-22:23
Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed with rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'

Koran 40:67-40:73
Do you not see how those who dispute the revelation of God turn away from the right path ? Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and then burnt in the fire of Hell.

Koran 8:12
Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them." ?

Koran 9:5
"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free."

Koran 9:73
Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.

Koran 47:4
When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.

(Koran 5:33-34
The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, merciful.

Koran 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.

Koran [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Koran [47:4]
When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.

Gabriel Hanna #103 -

Please stop being so damn condescending. You didn't need to repeat yourself three times - we are not stupid or illiterate. We got your POV the first time.

You just don't get ours. REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT THIS OBSCENITY WILL NOT HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW, IT NEVERTHELESS OPENS THE DOOR FOR PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT OF MUSLIMS. This kind of special treatment is part and parcel of their agenda of working towards, first, our acceptance of the institution of shari'a law in Muslim communities and then in the country at large.

IT IS ANTITHETICAL TO THIS COUNTRY'S LONG-ESTABLISHED VALUES.

There is an important mission of our time that involves healing the pathologies of Islam, including jihadism.

This resolution will be used to oppose or even prevent any criticism of Islam, and that will be counterproductive.

This is a very bad sign. Don't tell me it means nothing. Stop it now.

Some think this isn't serious?

Can we please restrain the venting, people? Do I really need to point out that extreme comments will be used against LGF?

Your points will be better received if delivered in an even tone.

In other words, please. More free speech is better than less, but please think about the effects of your comments. I don't want to start leaning on the delete button.

What's next? Individuals start their own religion? Maybe a religion of American flag worshippers (don't desecrate my religious symbol, by the way)? Or, how about a sect of tea drinkers that worship fine China? Or, how about a religion of child porn, beastiality, and murder (oh, wait, that's already covered under Islam).

This is beyond reason. It's one thing to watch other countries swallow, but there's no way I'm going to embrace, look the other way, smile at, or think happy thoughts about a religion as pathetic as Islam - Conyers or no Conyers.

#9 Bob's Kid

7 million? Really?

Yeah, and they mostly live in Conyer's district: Detroit and Dearborn.

Most of muslims in the U.S. are actually followers of the Nation of Islam aka Black Panthers who have little in common with true islam except for hatred of whites and western values.

The leader of the Nation of Islam is the reknown racist, Louis Farrakkan aka Calypso Louie. Most of these vermin converted to "islam" in prison. It is the perfect "religion" for a criminal.

Actually, we should all riot and act like idiots and slay a few people randomly to show our serious outrage about a worthless resolution from a Congressman with Dearborn in his district.

That'll show em.

#103 Gabriel Hanna
I used Neimoller and I don't recall applying it to you. Pastor Niemoller in this context is simply the Western (non-Arab) version of not letting the camel etc.

Read the description of Congressional Resolutions [Link: memory.loc.gov...] and how joint resolutions can lead to constitutional amendments without the President's approval.

#112 John Steele

Paster Niemoller doesn't apply here, not because I say so, but because:

"they" are not coming for anybody
nobody is even proposing that

What you're doing to me is what the Left does when they call Bush a Nazi.

Pastor Niemoller was talking about ACTUAL persecution and ACTUAL concentration camps, not a Reichstag resolution introduced by the Member for Frankfurt-Am-Rhein praising Hitler's WWI service.

Meanwhile the local useful idiot "Reverend" in the our alternate Communist weekly has this predictable drivel

With sadness, Hedges recalls the words of his Harvard ethics professor, Dr. James Luther Adams who told his students that fascism would not return wearing brown shirts and arm bands, but cloaked in the language of the Bible, carrying crosses and chanting the Pledge of Allegiance.

And Christian broadcasting is fueled by that trio. NRB President Frank Wright couldn’t have made it any clearer: “We don’t just tell [listeners] what the news is. We tell them what it means.”

Of course, this is one of them who can't wait to perform gay weddings.

#106 Amy
Perhaps, but when I write (not post, but really write) I write well, and zombie's post got me.

I disagree with Gabriel. After something like this is put in writing, it has the stamp of approval. Most resolutions are meaningless for the reasons Gabriel states, but some have teeth. Like the resolution to remove Saddam and go to Iraq. Why not stop this thing before it starts since we can all see where it is headed?
Good night all.

EE #109 -

You hit the nail on the head. Thank you.

#108 The Bruce 5/24/2005 08:07PM PDT
...
I still say we are looking at a military government in the near future.

I think thats a bit of a stretch.

Oops, I forgot my sarcasm tag.

The fact that I even have to mention that says something about the rabid irrationalism rampant in this thread tonight.

Napolean Dynamite did not blow up the World Trade Center.

There are people in the Muslim community in his distriict that gave support to the people that helped plan the attack on the World Trade Center.

I should also think Mr Conyers would be accepting campaign contributions from people in this community since they are in his district. Im sure they would love to see this resolution pass.

I would be very suprised if Mr Conyers would be ignorant of these facts.

#108 The Bruce

If I didn't know better, I'd say you don't think things are going "swimmingly".

Am*n.

So where is the ACLU? Doesn't this violate seperation of church and state?

Charles #120 -

Point taken. I agree.

duh

Constitutional amendments are neither approved or turned back by a president. A president may sponsor an amendment proposal, but has no constitutional standing in the approval process.

#124 John Steele

OK, I'm not the target. But I think everything else I said still applies. Nonetheless, let's not debase the good pastor by invoking him when he's not needed.

#117 Amy

I don't intend to sound condescending and I apologize for that. But if you think this resolution "opens the door" to anything, I think you're flat wrong. They have these resolutions for NYC firemen, or Mrs O'Shaughnessy's third-grade class back in Paducah.

And THEY'RE not getting special treatment or privileges.

Oh I get it. Dems & their activist judges gut the meaning of the 1st amendment regarding freedom of religion and then selectively restore the right to favored groups. Disgusting.

#40 Alone in NY 5/24/2005 07:35PM PDT
Isn't there a way to change the name of the party to the Dhimmicrats?

Anyone wanna photoshop a donkey with a guy in a keffiya behind it looking pleased?

120 Charles. A-men.

Perhaps John Conyers (D) Beirut, er I mean Detroit, is unfamiliar with this simple sentence..

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Yet he proposes making a law that does precisely that. Of course the DemocRATS gave up pretending to respect the Constitution long ago, and now carry on as if it doesn't even exist.

This is really outrageous.

This garbage should facilitate Conyers' removal from office.

The House rules on impeachment:
[Link: frwebgate.access.gpo.gov...]

Alternate link:
[Link: www.gpoaccess.gov...]
 

#103 Gabriel Hanna - I've given up on you.
You seem to honestly believe that because it's not a law, that it will have no effect; it's just showboating.
So okay, I'll write my Congressman tomorrow asking him to introduce a resolution identical to Conyers' peice of pandering garbage, but substitute Jews wherever Muslims are mentioned; the Old Testament wherever the Koran is mentioned and Jewish faith werever Islamic faith is mentioned.
Do you think it has a chance of being passed?
It should, after all its JUST a resolution.

So the question remains, how long before the Honorable Representative John Conyers leads a rally of muslims chanting "Death to America"?

#128 CrimsonFisted

The "resolution" of Congress authorizing war with Iraq was done under the aegis of the War Powers Act, was it not? And there was also the law that Congress passed directing the US government to overthrow Saddam, right?

So your analogy doesn't apply here, as there is no law giving Islam some kind of privileged status.

There were laws on the books relating to Saddam Hussein and Iraq, there aren't any in this case.

#139 alkmyst,

Anyone wanna photoshop a donkey with a guy in a keffiya behind it looking pleased?

No, but I do have a photoshop of a Dhimmicrat.

#107 RebTex 5/24/2005 08:07PM PDT

Law or not!
It's the basic principal that has me miffed!
moslim, islam, arab gets 10 or more mentions in this script.
Christianity gets 1!

I am suddenly reminded of that joke about the gal who finds a djinni (yes- fairy-tale wishes can come true in islamania) and is informed that whatever she wishes for, her husband will get it 10-fold.

She asks for a mild heart-attack.

Let them receive ten times what they dish out.

#143 realwest

Your proposed resolution substituting Jews for Muslims may or may not pass--I would vote for it, but I'm not in Congress. It may even have already been passed. If it did pass, it would be just as meaningless as this proposed one.

The Constitution is not being overthrown here and I think we should save our rhetoric for an ACTUAL attempt to do so.

#103 Gabriel Hanna

Yes you correct, it is not legislation.

However, it is a policy statement, a formalized interpretation of events/intents/and future programming by the Legislature. A resolution states clarifies meaning for past legislation and plans intent for the future.

126 Gabriel Hanna

Sir, I don't believe that I came anywhere near doing to you what the left does calling Bush a Nazi.

But as this is not my forum I will withdraw from this particular watering competition.

#146 PDM 5/24/2005 08:21PM PDT

#139 alkmyst,

Anyone wanna photoshop a donkey with a guy in a keffiya behind it looking pleased?

No, but I do have a photoshop of a Dhimmicrat.

That is a nice one, but I still think my idea Conyers conveys the appropriate message ;-)

Some people made a big deal over Canada "adopting Sharia law". In fact one province has proposed allowing Muslim tribunals to settle domestic issues like uncontested divorces. Similar Jewish "courts" have been in place in Ontario for years. These tribunals have no legal authority whatsoever outside their limited mandate, and they can always be overriden by civil courts.

I don't agree with Ontario's Sharia courts, but they are not even remotely as dangerous as this proposed "Resolution". I am constantly stunned by the left in America.

Lovely, now the moonbats are running the country inspired by phoney Newsweek propaganda.

Gabriel Hanna #137 -

But this resolution on its face purports to single out Islam for special protection nationwide.

You keep arguing from the angle that this is just like a hundred other "feel good" meaningless sops to constituents, but I really believe that it is qualitatively different and dangerous. Not because it is enforceable, but because it breaks down a psychological barrier and opens the door for further extensions in a way that resolutions for "NYC firemen, or Mrs O'Shaughnessy's third-grade class back in Paducah" do not.

It is harmless if NYC firemen or the members of a Paducah third-grade class are singled out, because it doesn't affect anyone else, but it is not harmless when all of the adherents of one religion among many are singled out for special kid-glove treatment and mandated, enhanced "respect" whether they earn or deserve it or not. It will thus have a chilling effect on legitimate criticism of the Islamic agenda.

154 Gretchen

Lovely, now the moonbats are running the country inspired by phoney Newsweek propaganda.

It is unbelievable isn't it? Let's create some new rules for something that never happened.

If you pretend to toss a Bible in the toilet do you think anyone will write a new rule to protect it?

Expressing the sense of the American people condemning terrorism, fascism, anti-Americanism, anti-Semitism, anti-Christianity, and recognizing that unholy books of every death cult should be treated with disrespect...

Whereas the word Islam means "submission" which is totally contrary to American values such as individual liberty

Whereas I have no idea how many Muslims are in the US but I know it's too many, and they kill 3000 of our people on a single day (and murder for Allah no matter what country they're in) but have hissy fits over an inanimate object being "disrespected"

Whereas the Quran is to Muslims what Mein Kampf is to Nazis and Muslims recite passages from it in prayer and learn lessons about hatred, genocide and tyranny;
Whereas it should never be official policy of the United States Government to dictate their personal beliefs to the people, especially moronic left-wing ones, or to go against the First Amendment, or to give special preferences to certain groups;
Whereas mistreatment of innocent human beings by Muslims and disrespect towards Jews, Christians, Americans, Israelis, Hindus, Buddhists, Australians, Balinese, Africans, Europeans, blacks, whites, and all other "infidels" unacceptable and against civilized humanity and much worse than a damn book on a toilet
Whereas the infringement of an individual’s right to freedom of religion AND SPEECH violates the Constitution and laws of the United States: Now, therefore, be it
1 Resolved, That the fed-up people of the United States–
(1) condemns bigotry, acts of violence, and intolerance which are all common Islamic pracitces
(2) declares that the civil rights and civil liberties of all individuals, should be protected from Islamofascists who want the world to be dead or subjected to barbaric 5th century laws
(3) recognizes that the Quran, Mein Kamf, and the Communist Manifesto are all totalitarian rants written by madmen and should be shown the disrespect they deserve
(4) calls upon local, State, and Federal authorities to work to protect the life, liberty and property of the people, which is their job, and to stop making dumbass resolutions

Why all this blather about "the Abrahamic faiths"? Is the Koran supportive of "the Abrahamic faiths" ? Here's a section of the Koran that I have, 9:30-32

The Jews say Ezra is the son of Allah, while the Christians say the Messiah is the son of Allah. Such are their assertions, by which they imitate the infidels of old. Allah confound them! How perverse they are!

They worship their rabbis and their monks, and the Messiah the son of Mary, as gods besides Allah; though they were ordered to serve one God only. There is no god but Him. Exalted be He above those whom they deify beside Him!

They would extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths: but Allah seeks only to perfect His light, though the infidels abhor it.

Ploome -

Thanks for the links.

What do you know? One of the Democrats has rolled over already.

There are no words to describe my contempt for Conyers over this.

Look, here's some other resolutions this year, to provide some context:

S. Con. Res. 37: A concurrent resolution honoring the life of Sister Dorothy Stang

S.Con.Res. 32: A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that the Government of the Russian Federation should issue a clear and unambiguous statement of admission and condemnation of the illegal occupation and annexation by the Soviet Union from 1940 to 1991 of the Baltic countries of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

S.Con.Res. 34: A concurrent resolution urging the Government of the Republic of Albania to ensure that the parliamentary elections to be held on July 3, 2005, are conducted in accordance with international standards for free and fair elections.

S.Con.Res. 30: A concurrent resolution to express the sense of Congress concerning the provision of health insurance coverage to all Americans.

S.Con.Res. 22: A concurrent resolution congratulating Bode Miller for winning the 2004-2005 World Cup overall title in Alpine skiing.

S.Con.Res. 19: A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of the Congress regarding the importance of life insurance and recognizing and supporting National Life Insurance Awareness Month.

I know you guys are tired of hearing me say the same thing, but I really believe that we are not helping anything by overreacting to this.

#146

How could you do that to that poor donkey?

#157 Megan

Outstanding. Mind if I borrow this to send to my Congressmen as a suggested alternative resolution?

Megan #157

(4) calls upon local, State, and Federal authorities to work to protect the life, liberty and property of the people, which is their job, and to stop making dumbass resolutions

LOL!

#155 Amy - THAT'S what I've been trying to say. And while I believe Gabriel Hanna would vote for my proposed resolution re: substituting Jews, Old Testament etc but otherwise the same as Conyers, I'd bet my right arm that the Congress (or for that matter either house) has NEVER passed a resolution such as that and there's no doubt in my mind that they never would.
OTH, maybe the way to deal with Conyers' resolution is to find congressmen or congresswomen, willing to introduce such a resolution, then someone else introduce such a resolution for Hindu's, Confucians, et.al; if every religious group has it's own resolution, then none of them will have any special significance.

It's hard to imagine a more anti-American resolution which flies in the face of the First Amendment more than this one. This reminds me of the British 'hate crime' legislation bone thrown to the Muslim wolves by the Labour Party (UK). That died on the vine, fortunately.

"Respecting" so-called "holy" books is exactly what this country is not about. Not to say we should go around acting childish. But the right to criticize deeply-held superstitions beliefs is paramount to our national character. Nothing defines us as a nation more than our approach to ideas, religion, and freedom to criticize.

Civilization will appease itself into barbarism with little more than a whimper. Thousands of years of history, violence-enforced dogma, and a tradition of ugliness up against the newly-minted freedoms our Founders so cherished. The United States is David, and his aim with the sling might not be as good as it used to be.

The Founders thought the experiment in democracy and individual freedom was likely to fail. If put to a vote, most people would take 'security' over freedom. Conyers will do his best to prove the cynical Founders correct.

Neville Chamberlain ain't got nothin' on John Conyers!

Gabriel Hanna -

I give up. I've explained as clearly as I could why I think that this resolution is different from the others (as they say on Sesame Street) because of what it portends, but clearly I'm spitting into the wind.

Have a nice evening. I'm off to bed.

The frightening thing is that nowhere, except on the internet, or (rarely) on talk radio can anyone encounter the truth about islam. You can hear endless wailing and gnashing of teeth over the slightest hint of (gasp) disrespect for the jihadist vermin at Guantanamo, or their vile book. You can read non-stop bashing of GWB, and the military in the La or NY Times. Listening to the mainstream media, one would think Abu Ghraib is the defining event of the entire war on terror. Has anyone heard a discussion of what the koran actually says on any TV show? Have they run any prime-time specials on life under sharia? Has Oprah, or Dr, Phil weighed in on the matter?
Riots and murder follow a baseless story in Newsweek. That there was not a mosque left standing on September 12th should have been the story. Oh, I forgot- that didn't happen. Following 9/11 we got articles about why they hate us so. We were chided about not stereotyping our muslim neighbors. Hell, most people believe in moderate muslims the way a frickin' six-year-old believes in Santa Claus. And now a resolution about respecting islam (ohyeahandotherreligionstooIforgot) How about a long list of the reasons that islam is deserving of respect. I'll wait while you think one up.
JWM

if this resolution passes how about a protest first read out aloud all the jihad passages followed by a burning of the unholy tome. the mass arrest of christians, pastors and other non dhimmies should wake up the rest of the country.

#136

Thank you for re-enforcing my point. The President is taken out of the equation.

#155 Amy

I agree. We already have our soldiers being forced to LITERALLY handle the koran [shudder] with kid gloves in Gitmo -- and this is in the presence of terrorist suspects!

If they pass this seemingly innocuous legislation, the sigh of a maiden will be enough to tip our Congress over into more dangerous laws: like the UK one outlawing criticism of islam.

167 Beagle

{Beagle}

Maybe Neville and Conyers were separated at birth?

#166 realwest

I think you have proposed an excellent solution; but you have to agree that it is not better than this one:

(4) calls upon local, State, and Federal authorities to work to protect the life, liberty and property of the people, which is their job, and to stop making dumbass resolutions

#149 PETN sandwich

Policy is afunction of the executive, and not the legislative branch.

#108 The Bruce 5/24/2005 08:07PM PDT ... "I still say we are looking at a military government in the near future."

John Steele: "I think that's a bit of a stretch."

A lot of policies are becoming rancid: Bush is letting Iran gets nukes; Bush funds Fatah; Bush legitimizes Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Israel as political parties; Bush refuses to let Israel destroy the Islamic terror networks trying to destroy it; Bush continues to allow unrestricted Muslim immigration and subversion in the US, funded by Saudi Arabia; Bush allows Leftist subversion in the US without a fight...

I think nukes in Iran and NK, and the next terror campaign against Israel will all coincide to expose Bush's war strategy as worthless. The public won't appeal to the loons in the Democrat Party. They will turn to the military and ask it to take over.

Events are accelerating to a point where denial will turn to panic.

Beagle 167

Very well put. It crystallizes what I was struggling to express.

realwest 166

I think that your proposal would just compound the problem by heaping more wrongs on top of the first one. As beagle said, Congress shouldn't be sticking its nose into religion at all.

America had better wake up, or we will wake up one day to find ourselves living under Shari'a law. If we don't start standing up for this country, we will lose it.

The way things are going, I figure the U.S. has 50 years left, tops.

Seven million muslins in America?!? That number is as phony as the 3.8 million number in the Pali terror-tories. Complete and utter bullshit, squeezed out by Ibrahim Hooper and the jihadis at CAIR.

muslims

, not muslins. PIMF.

I thnk muslin is what they wear.

Then there is the quote from Conyers in Farenheit 9/11 when he was talking to Mike al Moor.

to Michael,explaining how Congress could pass the Patriot Act without reading it]
Rep. John Conyers: Sit down, my son. We don't read most of the bills.

But really, Conyers says its OK to burn an American flag because it is free speech, but not burn certain books because it would be offensive. His logic, unlike the Koran, is Holey.

WhereTF did this dhimmi come from ?

176 the bruce

Events are accelerating to a point where denial will turn to panic.

I have been getting the same feeling, as have other people I have spoken with.

Many people are unhappy with Bush (I am one of them) and I was big W supporter. He is accomplishing nothing, Congress is nothing more than a bunch of pandering, petty partisans. I love my country, but these elected officials need to go.

Norwegian Beach Boys

Turn the speakers up...Look happy don't they?...:).

Beagle

Good to see you.

By Daniel Pipes in 2001:

How Many Muslims?

Nowhere near 7 million - this is the figure that Muslim organizations are trying to get accepted, which shows you where Conyers is coming from.

With all of our attention on freedom of speech, freedom of/from religion and the focus on islam (peanutbutter be upon him), we are all missing one major issue. The Quran, like the bible (new testament and old) and like everything else in our society, is a product. We have to go to the store and purchase it.

Once a thing is purchased, ownership of it belongs to the purchaser. If I buy a car, I am free to paint it any color I want, to piss on it or to demolish it if I so choose. Likewise, I could purchase a Picasso for 10,000,000 dollars on Friday, shred it up and use it as toilet paper on Saturday. It goes without saying, of course, that I could purchase an American flag, which, like the Quran, has meaning beyond its mere physical existence, and burn it.

America is not only a country of freedom, but one of capitalism. To legislate (based on on moral grounds) what people may or may not do with their own personal property is completely anathema to our way of life.

The mandatory prevention of book burning is as bad as mandatory book burning.

Vast rightwing conspiracy uncovered...

Israeli scientists locate sarcasm in the brain

Look, there's one for Sikhs:

[Link: www.govtrack.us...]

S.Con.Res. 6: A concurrent resolution honoring the life and contribution of Yogi Bhajan, a leader of the Sikhs, and expressing condolences to the Sikh community on his passing. (Introduced; Jan 26, 2005)

And one you guys will like:

S.J.Res. 14: A joint resolution providing for the recognition of Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Israel before the United States recognizes a Palestinian state, and for other purposes. (Introduced; Apr 18, 2005)

7 Congress makes the following findings:
8 (1) Jerusalem has been the capital of the Jew-
9 ish people for 3,000 years.
2
1 (2) Jerusalem has never been the capital for
2 any other state other than for the Jewish people.
3 (3) Jerusalem is central to Judaism and is cited
4 in the Tanach, the Hebrew Bible, 766 times.
5 (4) Jerusalem is not mentioned by name in the
6 Koran.
7 (5) Every sovereign nation has the right to des-
8 ignate its own capital.
9 (6) Jerusalem is the seat of the Government of
10 Israel, including the President, the parliament, and
11 the Supreme Court.
12 (7) United States law states as a matter of
13 United States policy that Jerusalem should be the
14 undivided capital of Israel.
15 (8) Israel is the only country in which the
16 United States neither maintains an embassy in the
17 city designated as the capital by the host country
18 nor recognizes such city as the capital.
19 (9) The citizens of Israel should be allowed to
20 worship freely and according to their traditions.
21 (10) Israel supports religious freedom for all
22 faiths.
23 (11) Relocating the United States Embassy in
24 Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem would express the

SJ 14 IS
3
1 continued support of the United States for Israel
2 and for an undivided Jerusalem.
3 SEC. 3. LOCATION OF UNITED STATES EMBASSY IN ISRAEL.

4 Not later than 180 days before recognizing a Pales-
5 tinian state, the United States shall move the United
6 States Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
7 SEC. 4. RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL AS UNDIVIDED CAPITAL

8 OF ISRAEL.

9 The United States shall not recognize a Palestinian
10 state until the international community resolves the status
11 of Jerusalem by recognizing the city as the undivided cap-
12 ital of Israel.
13 SEC. 5. SENSE OF CONGRESS REGARDING FREEDOM OF

14 WORSHIP.

15 It is the sense of Congress that the citizens of Israel
16 should be allowed, as a fundamental human right recog-
17 nized by the United States and United Nations General
18 Assembly resolution 181 of November 29, 1947, to wor-
19 ship freely and according to their traditions.

Gabriel Hannah. In the 8+ years that I spent in the land of Mecca I never heard a church bell ring and I never saw one single instance that would indicate that such an event would ever occur. The cultural understanding that you exibit towards John Conyers resolution, let alone your contextual obfusication, indicates that you have scant understanding of the backhanded purpose of the resolution or its significance as compared to the examples you have given. Are you as dense as your posts indicate or is this just an off night?

satan sidekick (#182),

And who would you suggest as a better alternative.

Just looking over the Koran that I have and I see this call to jihad. This is 9:38-9:41.

Believers, why is it that when it is said to you: 'March in the cause of Allah,' you linger slothfully in the land? Are you content with this life in preference to the life to come? Are you content with this life in preference to the life to come? Few indeed are the blessings of this life, compared to those of the life to come.

If you do not fight He will punish you sternly and replace you by other men. You will in no way harm Him: for Allah has power over all things.

If you do not help him, Allah will help him as He helped him when he was driven out by the unbelievers with one other. In the cave he said to his companion: 'Do not despair. allah is with us,' Allah caused His tranquillity to descend upon him and sent to his aid invisible wariors, so that he routed the unbelievers and exalted the Word of Allah. Allah is mighty and wise.

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. This will be best for you, if you but knew it.

The radical Islamists interpret this as a call for terrorist jihad.

If their interpretation is wrong, let's hear why. Let the moderates speak up and discuss this, and show why the radical Islamists are all wrong in their interpretation.

It's time to discuss the verses of the Koran, not to make the Koran immune to discussion. Let critical discussion begin. Stop the attempts to stifle all discussion of the Koran.

I'm not worried about it.

1st Amendment... 'nuff said.

Gabriel Hanna 187 -

Now I wonder whether you don't grasp the argument or you are being intellectually dishonest.

The resolution on Yogi Bhajan is for ONE person and has nothing to do with mandating respect for the practitioners of the Sikh religion or for the religion itself.

The resolution on Jerusalem is political in nature, pertaining to Israel and not to the religious sensibilities of the entire population of American Jews.

Please cut it out. You're beginning to seriously piss me off.

189 Geepers

How about the LGFers? We could do a better job than these pandering fools.

This is some scrappleface thing right? Someone tell me this is a joke.

#188 gymnast

That is really uncalled unwarranted.

I have never said one word about how intolerant Islam is--BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU. You're putting opinions in my mouth that I do not hold and I did not express.

I am merely pointing out that what John Conyers is sponsoring is meaningless, and you think it's license to call me a dhimmi.

I even pointed out that Congress has a proposed resolution saying that Jerusalem is the capital of the Jewish people and should be acknowledged as such before a Palestinian state is recognized!

So why, if this resolution of John Conyers is going to give special privileges to Islam, then why isn't Sen Brownback's going to recognize Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Israel?

#171 solomonpanting

It's entirely disingenuous of you to suggest that Congressional resolutions are somehow a gateway to changes in our Constitution.

Sure, we've made mistakes in our Amendments, you only have to look at prohibition to see that. The process is rigorous, and most amendments were most welcome changes to our fundamental law.

If you can stretch from there to some sort of fascistic defense of the religion of Mohammed being integrated into our most sacred document, go right ahead.

But you are a complete nutcase to think that such a thing can happen within either of our lifetimes without an overwhelming invasion of our shores by Islamists. If you truly believe that is going to happen, then you absolutely don't understand the depth of character and iron resolve of the most important majority of the American people.

The actual number of Muslims is much closer to 2 million. Here is a good study The sheer number of mosques doesn't dictate this absurdly high a count, not that that will ever deter Muslims from throwing up every lie and seeing which ones will stick, thanks largely to an idiotized media.

So, if I were to publicly read from the Koran a particularly hateful verse, then if I, being a non-Muslim, for whatever reason am not able to emote or summon a properly respectful tone in my voice, I could be rebuked, even charged with -- work with me --"hate speech"? Hey, why stop there! Why not make butt-scratching with the left hand an automatic felony, since laws under this mindless an authority may no longer require a separation of brains and ass?

All this over allegations about the Quran being flushed down the toilet. Similarly, maybe John Conyers ought to shove his resolution up his @$$!

#176 The Bruce 5/24/2005 08:40PM PDT

A lot of policies are becoming rancid: Bush is letting Iran gets nukes;

I don't think the fat lady has started the aria yet on this one...

Bush funds Fatah; Bush legitimizes Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Israel as political parties;

I think this too is a bit of a stretch.

Bush refuses to let Israel destroy the Islamic terror networks trying to destroy it;

The United States will simply not allow Israel to be destroyed. I don't pretend to know what the governments of my country and Israel are up to but I'll guarantee it does not involve the destruction, or even serious harm, of Israel.

Bush continues to allow unrestricted Muslim immigration and subversion in the US, funded by Saudi Arabia;

I am heartily upset with the President for not doing more to control the borders -- regardless of the group immigrating.

Bush allows Leftist subversion in the US without a fight...

I'm not sure it is without a fight but there is a limit to the direct action that the President can take. I do wish he would use the "bully pulpit" more but ..

I think nukes in Iran and NK, and the next terror campaign against Israel will all coincide to expose Bush's war strategy as worthless.

Now I think this is really stretching --- while exercise is good, this may pull several muscles :-) The strategy is working, don't let the lefty press get you down.

The public won't appeal to the loons in the Democrat Party. They will turn to the military and ask it to take over.

The US military has zero history of direct involvement in the governance of the country. Hollywood notwithstanding, I seriously doubt that there is anyone at any rank in our forces who could contemplate a military government --- their duty is too deeply ingrained.

Omega
2nd Ammendment!
Enough said!

Have they run any prime-time specials on life under sharia? Has Oprah, or Dr, Phil weighed in on the matter?

Ironically, the only thing like this I've heard of is the documentary that CNN did about shari'a in the Taliban's Afghanistan.

Oprah is too interested in licking the asses of celebrities, and Dr. Phil is too occupied with being America's voyeur into dysfunctional families. Bread and circuses.

The news media is so in love with all this diversity crap that's it's unthinkable to say anything negative about anyone (except Christians and Jews). They are totally brain dead, like Conyers.

Geepers: satan sidekick (#182), And who would you suggest as a better alternative?

Geepers--the American people will turn to the military out of despair, having experienced the treachery of the Democrats and the weakness of the Republicans.

What has sparked such public handwringing is Bush's behavior since his re-election. He has adopted appeasement as his domestic and foreign policy.

187 Gabriel Hanna

And one you guys will like:

S.J.Res. 14: A joint resolution providing for the recognition of Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Israel before the United States recognizes a Palestinian state, and for other purposes. (Introduced; Apr 18, 2005)

Explain this for all, please...what was your intent? Or would you like input?

Regarding my #184 -

It just occurred to me - Even though this resolution does not have the force of law, if it passes, the Muslims can point to it for the proposition that the US House of Representatives agreed with that 7 million population figure. It will allow them to bootstrap themselves into claiming that that wildly inflated number is legitimate without further proof.

#195, Gabriel Hannah.Are all resolutions meaningless or just those you pick out? Are you a Dhimmi? Did I call you one? or do you just feel like one as the mood strikes you? Have you ever studied ornathology?

I really am going to bed now.

'Night, all.

Ploome; Lady of Shalott
If I had to handle something vile, I'd want rubber gloves, too.

Damnitalltohell, they need to make a new civil service category for asskicker to the lawmakers when they do something particularly stupid. I would like to kick his ass and wouldn't even require benefits for it.

187 Gabriel Hanna

Thanks for pointing that out

BTW, FYI - Jerusalem IS the eternal capitol of Israel.

"Disrespecting" a necuranikon or anything else Re: islamania is a fundamental right, and the fact that this dhimmi would even present such a measure to Congress should result in his immediate dismissal and a swift kick in the ass.

158 EE

Why all this blather about "the Abrahamic faiths"? Is the Koran supportive of "the Abrahamic faiths" ? Here's a section of the Koran that I have, 9:30-32

Would you please tear out that page from the Koran and send it to me?

I am feeling the urge to make a big fatwa and need something to wipe with.

Look around: in England you can't criticize
Islam; in Australia you can't criticize Islam; in Italy you can't criticize Islam; in Canada you can't criticize Islam.

It's not Australian law; it's a state law that only applies in Victoria.

Our federal government is pretty good (except for being gun-grabbers); our state governments are mostly liberal weenies.

If this goes through I want to see @$$hat "artists" like Serrano and Maplethorpe arrested and sent to prison for life for disrespecting Christian religious symbols and the Christian faith (a crucifix in a bucket of urine for example) as well as taking Jesus' name in vain.

How many people are running around swearing, "Buddha damn" or "Mohammed H. Prophet?" I bet we could get John Conyers in one of his moments of weakness disrespecting Christianity or the Bible, the dirty little hypocrite. I'd put that jerk in solitary confinement for life and watch him go insane having to keep himself company. Where does it stop, eh?

#202 Ward Cleaver:
We forgot cigarettes, and tobacco companies. They can say lots of bad things about cigarettes.
JWM

#203 The Bruce

What has sparked such public handwringing

What public handwringing? The only people who know what the hell is going on are those reading the blogs and listening to talk radio. The majority of the public are oblivious sheeple, watching American Idol and getting their news from the three major broadcast networks.

Yo, RebTex!

214 Lizardoid Minion #32603

I stand corrected -- In Victoria you can't criticize Islam --- in WA it OK, criticize away :-)

Earth to Mr. Conyers,
I think the first ammendment does cover this.
The forteenth too.

Swamp Woman
Hey!

215 Hankmeister,

Speaking of "art" do you suppose there are any "artists" brave enough to dump a Koran into a bucket of pig manure and enter it in an art contest?

Now THAT would take guts...and a gas mask ;-)

Bennette

I notice that there has been a lot of discussion here to the effect that it doesn't matter because it is not a law, or alternatively that it does matter, because the congress shouldn't say it.

I fear that it matters, but for a different reason. It is because the courts nowadays are little interested in the actual law. Any shred of congressional support is probably more than enough for a liberal judge to uphold a finding of hate speech against anyone who criticizes Islam, regardless of the 1st amendment. Ever wonder how cities ever outlaw handguns? By ignoring the 2nd amendment, of course. It is hardly a dramatic step to ignore the 1st too. We really are in WW4 folks, and it is a very, very serious matter. History shows that totalitarianism is, in fact, the most "natural" form of government. (Consider the observed social groups of non-human mammals, for example.) Freedom is indeed tenuous. If we do not defend it, we will surely lose it.

Hey, Reb, I'm seriously worried about Metal Man now. I hope he ain't used one of your pickup lines to good effect on a woman whose man gots bigger boots than he does.

#203 The Bruce. What has sparked such public handwringing...

Ward Cleaver: What public handwringing? The only people who know what the hell is going on are those reading the blogs and listening to talk radio. The majority of the public are oblivious sheeple, watching American Idol and getting their news from the three major broadcast networks.

MY public handwringing... and that of conservatives increasingly pissed at the president's and Congress's recent behavior.

Yes, the majority of the country slumbers on. But not for long.

#223 Rayra

Yeah, what's this "we" shit, Hanna?

Go back to lurking.

ploome hineni
From the resolution:
"Whereas believers of all religions, including the Abrahamic faiths of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, should be treated with respect and dignity;"
From the Koran, chapter 4, verse: about 51 or 52 (numbering seems slightly confusing)

Consider those to whom a portion of the Scriptures was given. They believe in idols and false gods and say of the infidels: 'These are better guided than the believers.' These are they on whom Allah has laid his curse. He who is cursed by Allah has none to help him.

When the Koran speaks of "those to whom a portion of the Scriptures was given", that means the People of the Book, and specifically it is referring to Jews and Christians.

It doesn't sound to this ignorant kafir that this verse is calling for respect and dignity for Jews and Christians. Moderate Muslims should explain the proper interpretation of this, because the radical Islamists interpret this as a call to murder Jews and Christians. So the Koran should be discussed, not placed beyond discussion.

Swamp Woman
If he used one of my lines, you KNOW he's hooked up!

#224 Bennette

It would be interesting thought to see the reaction in the press and the left...

Didn't Charles post today Ayaan Hirsi Ali's comment:

"...The Left is exactly like the Muslims!"

This is Exhibit A...

Conyers picked an unfortunate day to haul this stinker out -
Oriana Fallaci's trial and Ayaan Hirsi Ali's interview.

The Bruce,

My fear is that the dhimmies like Conyers know full well what they're up to and are keeping a pretty watchful eye on us.

To paraphrase Karl Marx: "We shall enslave them with chains of laws."

#230 RebTex

Swamp Woman
If he used one of my lines, you KNOW he's hooked up!

Well, just hope he's hooked up and not knocked out.

Or instead of pockets, his wife sabotaged computer.

This guy is totally outside of the Constitution.
Someone hold him down and make him read and then eat a copy of it.
As stupid a tool as ever walked on American soil.

223 Rayra

Who is this "we" of which you speak, lurker?

Classic case of someone having a mouse in their pocket, OR in the words of my one time neighbor Jay Silverheels when speaking to the Lone Ranger, What do you mean WE, white man?...:).

236 quark2

A man is known by the company he keeps --- Shirley Jackson-Lee, Dennis Kucinich ...

Swamp Woman
You may be right about the 'puter slayin'.
Poor guy!
I know where of he walks!

As I sat here I remembered something I used to see on the TV when I was a kid: Ads for Radio Free Europe- anyone else remember? Grainy black and white footage of a crumpled newspaper page tumbling in the wind down an empty street. A voice over about life under communism. Or films of railroad stations and factories stencil lettering slamming down with the sound of prison gates: "GOVERNMENT OWNED" it read.
We were willing then to identify a threat to our way of life. We weren't worried about offending the sensibilities of those who would destroy us.
JWM

224 Bennette

Speaking of "art" do you suppose there are any "artists" brave enough to dump a Koran into a bucket of pig manure and enter it in an art contest?

Now that would be art worth seeing.

Just the entertainment value of watching jihadis seethe would be priceless!

240 jwm

We've come along way since then :-)

Where are the people for women's rights? Are they not allowed to have a say in the second-class status of women that is prescribed in the Koran?
In the Koran, 4:34

Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the others, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them.

I like Irshad Manji's idea of the international community making microloans to Muslim women to start up little entrepreneurial projects. If they have a means of income, then they can stop being second-class people.

#175 RGBDJ

negative.

You are using 'policy' as a business-like buzz-word.

The Executive has no power but to enforce the law of the land. It can make statements as to its interpretation of the law (your use of 'policy') - make regulation based upon their interpretation (most of the significant regs are reviewed by Congress).

Congress makes and defines the law.

The Judiciary may, time to time, judge the law and its validity, but it will fall back to the letter of the law, and if lacking definition, resort to congressional testimony, contemporary history (Federalist Papers, letters, etc.), etc. By definition, when it comes down to 'intent', congressional resolutions trump all but the law.

Conyers' crap, if flags need constitutional amandement protection, won't float in the end. But who knows how many lab rats would be looking at twenty years plus for pushing away a pan-handlers photocopied koran before the first makes it to the SCOTUS?

Conyers' does not care, nor do most other politicians.

#210 SwampWoman

I would like to kick his ass and wouldn't even require benefits for it.

I'll give you the benefit of the NO doubt.

Evening, folks. Everybody in an uproar in the foolishness we call "government"?

Throw a Koran into a urnal near you today!

244 EE

No the leftist women's groups in America prefer to spend their time telling everyone how wonderful abortion is and criticizing the Catholic Church for not ordaining women.

#246 Seadog!

Hey! How's one of my favorite Florida folk tonight?

There is the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act passed in 2000 and signed by Clinton.

It provides a lot of rights for islam in Prisons. Islam is growing faster in prison pops than anywhere else in USA.

the land Use portion refers to Land use for churches et al. They can stay pretty much where they are and not be unduly bothered by local state interference. I think the target
group to help were mosques but Synagogues have been using it, notably in Hancock Park area of L.A.recently.

Some of the sections have been struck down.
Lots of it remains. You can google RLUIPA
and ck it out. It ties into Conyers daffyness and balkanizing of the US. Note that no one is worried about Crucifix in U-ryne.Or in the Simpsons, the ice cream booth is called "Cruci-fixins".
All this stuff is a pain. But those folks that are opening the door for Islam, better not be off-beat. They will be killed first, not last.

250 Iron Fist

Please try not to be so reserved, it makes it difficult to discern your meaning :-)

#248 JohnSteele

No the leftist women's groups in America prefer to spend their time telling everyone how wonderful abortion is and criticizing the Catholic Church for not ordaining women.

Or prosecuting everyone that makes an off-color joke for promoting a hostile work environment. Sigh.

I am late to this thread and have been reading all of the posts and would just like to say to #157 Megan : Beautiful, perfect and spot on!

250 Iron Fist

I hope I am not unclear.

Huh?...:).

This makes me sick to my stomach. I have nothing else to say.

#256 Elcid

You mean you couldn't detect the nauance of this posted comments?

Guess he's not enough like John sKerry then.

253 SwampWoman

Too true, too true.

#260 Iron Fist

That'll leave a mark! ;-)

#247 wetfun

Throw a Koran into a urnal near you today!

Actually, I have an idea for an art project that includes a copy of ALL major religious tomes... Don't want to single any particular one out.

#250 Iron Fist

Here's hoping that tomorrow is better.

Waay too many ill feelings here, directed at the wrong target(s). I will send a few emails out in the am, respective of the dignity of the public office held by the Representative from Michigan. As a taxpayer, a veteran, etc., etc., etc. ad nauseum, I hope that the use of zombie's verbage (ThanX! zombie) will cause the Congress Critters who owe me their support (FL resident, pay taxes in MO, own a house[= pay more taxes]in IL) to pay attention and do a bit of smack down on our 'steamed senator from Michigan.

OTOH Wadda ya all think of Bill Whittle's essay on sanctuary? Anything else I can offer to derail the thread? Oh, I know, Jack Daniels is now only 80 proof.

Later, kids

Mcgyver, out

Whereas the word Islam comes from the Arabic root word meaning “peace” anpeaced “submission”;

Peace (noun) peez
1. The state prevailing during the absence of war. (There is no peace with Islam, they have declared war, a jihad against Israel, the U.S., Jews and Christians)
2. Harmonious relations; freedom from disputes.(I suppose planes into buildings, homicide bombings,and the failure to recognize Israel as harmony and free from disputes?
3. The general security of public places.( WTC, The West Bank, Gaza?)
4. A treaty to cease hostilities. (The only treaty Islam offers to non-islams is death)

Submission (noun) sub'misshun

1. The act of submitting; usually surrendering power to another. (The acts of submission Islam wants is the west to submit to Shari'a, Israel to submit itself to the Will of Allah, and the people of the U.S. to submit their Children to the islamic interpretation, a perversion, of Abrahamic Faiths).

2. The condition of having submitted to control by someone or something else. (as in mullahs to their inability to accept responsibility for their own lives.)

Whereas there are an estimated 7,000,000 Muslims in America, from a wide variety of ethnic backgrounds, forming an integral part of the social fabric of America;

If Muslims are indeed part of the integral social fabric then why do they not coalesce with the majority of Americans and condemn the acts of violence perpetrated by their brothers, sisters, cousins, parents and children. It is they, the so called peace loving, submissive muslims who do not deny the evil that is committed every day against innocents. They would rather blame us for our infidelic beliefs, than their denial to accept the truth about Islam. Murdering instead of acceptance, jihad instead of acceptance.

My question to Congressman John Conyers is: What do you recieve in return Congressman, muslim votes from your district? Are those votes more valuable than the lives of Americans who are willing to die to preserve freedom? Congressman, how does it feel to accept a religion that promotes terrorism, murder and will not stop until you sir, an infidel are dead alongside with the rest of us who would not submit to the evil known as islam. Ask yourself congressman, who flew the jetliners into the WTC? Their names were not Hebrew, Irish, Kenyan, Hispanic, or Chinese. No congressman, they were Islamic names, names that still ring in nightmares to the many spouses, parents, and children whose loved ones perished on 911. Congressman how much are you receiving from their donations and influence? How much are you willing to risk in the name fairness? Congressman you should hang your head in shame as you are nothing less than Benedict Arnold to the people of these United States.

I wasted well over an hour on this godforsaken thread. I feel like someone owes me compensation.

Maybe tomorrow will mark a return to sanity, but this night, it's all out of control. I just hope no one burned any mosques or beat down some poor Pakistani immigrant.

Being like them doesn't make you superior.

Toilet paper made from recycled Korans offered at special high price ... since the demand has become nearly astronomical, the cost must follow; perfumed and embossed with logo of Islam for the descriminating infidel.

#196 rgbdj

My intent was only to show that a resolution is not always the innocuous entity that some would make it out to be. Yes, I agree that the majority of Americans would never tolerate the perversion of the Constitution to this degree.
But why even allow the infant stages of this line of thinking to begin? The Supreme Court has recently cited foreign law in its cases, the Ninth Circut is a well of poison.
Whose to say this resolution couldn't be food for some insane court decision? However, I do believe the First Amendment would strike down this proposed insanity.

@195

Mebbe it should be asked why all of a sudden you show up to troll this thread.

And to give the moslims one inch is as good as giving them a mile.

Mebbe you've got an agenda at Lgf that we've seen before, so it's not so slick.

#249 SwampWoman

Hey! How's one of my favorite Florida folk tonight?

Tired. Did the HD thing, then came home and fixed Daughter #2's tire.

At what age does Dad get a break?

forget it, rhetorical question.

Never...

No. 120 Charles: Here is an even, tempered comment for you: The koran is full of instructions to murder. There are people who take these instructions seriously. It only makes sense, in order to:

..."insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" (means our children, innocent and asleep in their beds at this hour) ...

It only makes sense that we get the koran out of the country, and the people who take its murderous instructions seriously, out of the country too.

In fact, you can pretty much make the case that the highest law of the land instructs us to do that.

#266 really grumpy

You werent' kiddin' 'bout that really grumpy part, were you?

Don't worry, it is far too late for me to burn mosques or beat down Pakistanis tonight. I gotta be up to round up the horses for the farrier in the morning, fix the gate they knocked down to the corral again, and be on the road by 7 a.m.

Goodnight!

McGyver

LOL

267 QuiteFrank

Toilet paper made from recycled Korans offered at special high price ... since the demand has become nearly astronomical, the cost must follow; perfumed and embossed with logo of Islam for the descriminating infidel.

I think you're onto something. Some entrepreneur is going to clean up (NPI) with Koran embossed Charmin.

260 Iron

Johnny Can't Understand Normal Thinking needs to think about the Second Amendment.

Now, that's nuance...ummm, no, no acronym...yeah that's it.

#233 Rayra

I've found a simple Yahoo search more often than not is more than adequate.

Mebbe it should be looked at, how much campaign monies Conyers will now recieve because of his pandering to a death cult religion. Might be very interesting...indeed.