Sorry to go off topic already, but this article at techcentral was hilarious!

"Absolutely not. I intend to conduct every phase of Operation Sitting Ducks with scrupulous adherence to the letter of the law. And as you know, gentlemen, we are pledged never to bring any harm whatsoever to even a single page of the Holy Koran."

Kinder, Gentler war on terror

“It’s sad to see this ruin people’s lives,”

Right in more ways than he knows.

Firstest! And have ya noticed that some of the Muz think no Muz can do wrong?

". . .some convinced that the arrests were the result of a misunderstanding and that the men who were being held would eventually be cleared."

Just like every time we kill a bunch of terrorists, there's always a crowd standing around saying "no, only women and children died, they did nothing."

Dang, I spent too much time typing up my comment ;)

5 Tgregg

Not enough caffeine this morning?

this is going to be a constant problem.

and you know, I think sometimes these Muslims really believe they are being misunderstood and not just following the AQ playbook.

I mean, they just went to some camps to learn how to kill the American infidels - what's wrong with that? why the big uproar? that's what Allah wants -right?

Wake up America and smell the coffee. These people mean business and they are out to do us "a damage". We need to hunt them down, lock em op and throw away the F'ing key.

After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, angry people threw eggs and shouted insults at the Pak-Indian Spices Grocery store downtown.

Personally, I'd take having eggs thrown at me over being blown to bits, beheaded, or tortured any day.

Poor little babies, waaah...

“The imams are good people, respectful, who teach peace, who were up front and always out in the open” said Shah. ...

Riiight... they all teach peace out in the open.

There would be no backlash if the American Muslim community got onboard the anti-terror train.

It is one thing to stand up and defend an innocent person and completely another to stand in front of the tv cameras and defend these people as innocent when one has already admitted to going to a training camp with the intention of committing terror acts.

He certainly can't be the only one and other know who they are...

And no, they were not in Afganistan (and Pakistan) for a wedding. What wedding parties last six months!

From the article:

Shah said his father, a cannery worker, taught him to value education and religion above all. “The imams are good people, respectful, who teach peace, who were up front and always out in the open” said Shah. ...

That's fine and dandy... but they did NOT condemn the imamas who are NOT good people, Disrespectful, who teach war and hatred, and who keep themselves protect and hidden in their countries.

If Billy Graham started teaching that Christians should go and kill Jews and Muslims... Christian Leaders would denounce him.

Since there's no denouncement, it means that there is an agreement, or at least a passive disagreement, which is worse.

"I would rather that you were cold. But because you are lukewarm, I will vomit you from my mouth" (Paraphrase of Revelation. God's letter to the Church of Laodecia)

"Shah said his father, a cannery worker, taught him to value education and religion above all. “The imams are good people, respectful, who teach peace, who were up front and always out in the open” said Shah."

Yeah. And I bet if we had a peek into your Mosques we wouldn't find Saudi Wahabbi propaganda either.

/sarc

“It’s one individual who makes everyone look bad,” said the man, who gave his name only as Shah. “We are scared because of what happened, how other people will look at us (will be negative).” ...

No, they always make themsleves look bad by constantly blaming everyone else. Why don't the fools try speaking out LOUDLY about how disgusted they are that these Muslims were involved in terrorism.

Maybe they aren't actually disgusted at all.

Yes, be afraid - be very afraid. Can anybody quote a reputable source showing any LARGE amount of "backlash" at all? No you can't because it has not happened - yet.

They better start taking this seriously however because CAIR will will themselves out of existance. I don't care about them or their agenda. All I want is peace, prosperity and above all to live my life with a reasonable expectation that some %^#&^%$&&*% terrorist will not try to kill thousands of my Countrymen again. Is that too much to ask?

arrrggghhh!

OT

I suspect, from examining visible and infrared imagery, that the low level center of Tropical Storm Arlene may reform or "jump" a little to the east of where it is now, under the deeper thunderstorms. This would shift the landfall from between Port Fourchon, LA and Pensacola to maybe Pass Christian to near/just east of Panama City Beach. Remember, because the storm is somewhat lopsided, heavy rain and squally winds will probably only extend about 100 km west of the center, but may extend out 400 km to the east.

A tornado or two in an outer band coming ashore on the West Coast of the Florida Peninsula won't surprise me much.

Dirka dirka! Mohammed jihad!

This strategy has been used so often, we should expect it as a matter of course now, whenever a suspected Moslem terrorist is arrested;

The suspect's relatives, neighbors, CAIR will all start talking about how scared THEY feel, and how upset this has made them. They will say they feel victimized, thereby shifting attention away from the suspects and their actions, and to the feelings of the Moslem community, which is now hurt. Hurt feelings, of course, trump everything in today's America.

It will also be reported, over and over, that the suspect is a good man, who couldn't possibly be involved in terrorism! There will be strong hints that he is being set up, but somebody who has it out for him (others in the community? Chimpy Bushitler? Karl Rove? Who knows?)

The media will pick up their stories, talking endlessly about the Moslem community's "fear" and "feelings of persecution". This will be treated as a much more important issue than the facts of the case, America's need to defend itself or the frightening fact that we have terrorists working against us right here in the US.

So it goes.

...he and many of his customers believe that opponents of the religious leaders told federal authorities about them.

So they did the right thing for the wrong reasons? Whatever, as long as the jihadis end up wearing orange.

Also, Muslim women, who cannot attend the Lodi Muslim Mosque...

ARRRGGHH! Unbelievable! They say that because they think nobody finds anything wrong with it, or the cult that encourages such behavior and "rules."

“We are scared because of what happened, how other people will look at us (will be negative).”

Ah yes, dirty looks, obviously a violation of Muslim civil rights just slightly less offensive than Koran-splashing.

This happened to others, like the Japanese people...

Nope, it didn't; they weren't charged with terrorism after a lengthy investigation.

I like it when Islam is afraid.

I like it very much.

Shah said he supports expanding the Farooqia Center with a school so non- Muslims can learn more about Islam there. Also, Muslim women, who cannot attend the Lodi Muslim Mosque, could meet at the new facility and study their religion.

Where is the Liberal and women's right's group outrage that this occurs in our country? No women or infidels allowed in their mosque, can't have the mosque made unclean by these kinds of people.

Boo Hoo. Then condemn what their fellow muslims are doing (yeah right) rather than whine about a non existent backlash.

Dirka dirka! Mohammed jihad!

Oh- Muhammed jihad! Dirka dirka.

I'm always amazed and repelled by the muslim approach to collectivism, as evidenced by this latest display.

Much of the Jewish community, when a Jew does something wrong, feels a sense of collective shame. Our first thought isn't, "How can we turn this to our advantage as professional victims?" Then again, we are raised on the doctrine of personal and community responsibility.

On a similar note, I was irritated today to read in the dead-tree version of USA Today (yeah, I know; the BF gets it for free from a grateful newspaper distributor) that Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner, two of the three Freedom Riders murdered by the Klan in 1964, were identified merely as "white New Yorkers" and not as "Jewish New Yorkers." One might think that, given their names, it would be obvious, but the typical Wisconsin farm boy (ie, the BF) does not come equipped with the optional (and somewhat controversial) Jewdar.

God forbid the Jews should ever get credit for the good things they have done for the African American community. Of course, that would fly in the face of the LLL world view, especially since it might give a few Blacks pause before they convert to islam.

/soapbox

#17 bouzouki

Jihad, jihad.

“It’s sad to see this ruin people’s lives,” he said of this week’s arrests. “In the end, the government apologizes for its mistakes. This happened to others, like the Japanese people,” Shah said, referring to the internment camps of World War II.

UMMM No Mistake here, I'm afraid. We've had more than a few American lives ruined thanks to the religion of piss. I hear Pakistan is lovely this time of the year. I'm sure you all can make the trip. Build your little cultural center there where it will be better appreciated.
JWM

Shoaib said he and many of his customers believe that opponents of the religious leaders told federal authorities about them. The opponents, also members of the Pakistani Muslim community, want to block the detained men’s plan to expand a Lodi community center and add a clinic, school and other facilities. ...

Right, let's forget about the actual offense which Mr. Ice Cream has in fact admitted to -- it's really about Those Awful People who are out to get him because he's such a great humanitarian.

But I must say that I really like the idea of these rats turning each other in... ;)

Oh yes, the great 9/11 backlash against Muslims, when angry mobs rampaged through Muslim neigborhoods, looting stores, burning down mosques and homes, dragging Muslims from their cars and beating them.

Of course this didn't happen, but you would never know so from the propaganda spewed by CAIR and their allies in the MSM.

BULLETIN
TROPICAL STORM ARLENE ADVISORY NUMBER 9
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
11 AM EDT FRI JUN 10 2005

...ARLENE STRENGTHENS IN THE SOUTHEASTERN GULF OF MEXICO...
...HURRICANE WATCH AND TROPICAL STORM WARNING ISSUED FOR THE NORTHERN GULF COAST...

AT 11 AM...1500 UTC...A TROPICAL STORM WARNING HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR THE NORTHERN COAST OF THE GULF OF MEXICO FROM GRAND ISLE LOUISIANA TO ST MARKS FLORIDA...INCLUDING LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN. ALSO AT 11 AM
...A HURRICANE WATCH HAS BEEN ISSUED FROM THE MOUTH OF THE PEARL RIVER TO PANAMA CITY FLORIDA. A TROPICAL STORM WARNING MEANS THAT
TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. A HURRICANE WATCH MEANS THAT HURRICANE
CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA...GENERALLY WITHIN 36 HOURS.

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE DRY TORTUGAS.

A TROPICAL STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM WEST OF GRAND ISLE LOUISIANA TO MORGAN CITY LOUISIANA. A TROPICAL STORM WATCH MEANS
THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE IN THE WATCH AREA DURING THE NEXT 36 HR.

AT 11 AM EDT...THE TROPICAL STORM WARNING FOR CUBA HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED.

Fjord Man ([Link: fjordman.blogspot.com)...] has been onto this concept in the "European Theater" for quite some time now.

Pop over there and look for his articles on the raping of Swedish women..80% of the perps are Muslim, 80% of the victims Swedish, yet the police won't finger the source of the crime wave, for fear of being politically insensitive and not wanting to cause backlash...

His manterial is great...but those articles are near the beginning of his blogging career...

#23 American Infidel

Have you seen today's Omega Letter?

Does anybody think that a Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian or animist should revere the Bible as a 'holy' book? Do YOU revere THEIR sacred writings? Why should we expect them to revere ours?

Muslims don't revere the Bible and we don't expect them to, even though they claim the Koran is the third and final testament of Scripture.

How could any book be 'holy' to a person that denies its Divine inspiration? 'Holiness' is a Divine concept, not a human one.

For the non-Muslim, the Koran CANNOT be 'holy' since, if it were, the person perceiving it to be 'holy' would have to recognize it as God's Word, and they would therefore be Muslims. To become a Muslim, all one has to do is say, "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet" three times before witnesses.

Pronouncing the Koran 'holy' three times would therefore be the equivalent to becoming a Muslim, since it claims both Allah as 'God' and Mohammed as his prophet.

Couldn't they simply say that these men are innocent until judged guilty in a trial, like everybody else ?
Couldn't they say that if they are guilty they hate them and feel only horror for such crimes ?

Nope. They must play the whole scene.

And why do they play this scene ?

To produce more anger, to produce more terrorists, to spread more hate and more propaganda.

people threw eggs and shouted insults

THAT is the real tragedy, not 3000 victims of muslim terrorism.
THAT is the real tragedy, not the Guys jumping 100 floors to escape fire in the Twin Towers.

Great job, muslims: in the American houses, wives start throwing vegetables at the TVs when they here you talking like that. Great job.

“It’s one individual who makes everyone look bad,” said the man, who gave his name only as Shah. “We are scared because of what happened, how other people will look at us (will be negative).”

I remember the SF Chronicle driving home this same point about the National Guardsmen who put panties on prisoners heads at abu Ghraib.

Oh, wait, no I don't.

Actually they used it to prove all soldiers are evil torturing thugs including Secretary Rumsfeld and President Bush.

#24 W-lover
#26 traveler

Dirka?

Jihad!

#34 GEEPERS

EXCELLENT POINT !

Thank you.
We can use this A LOT !

Also, Muslim women, who cannot attend the Lodi Muslim Mosque

Then fix your own damned "religion." Start with those asshat rules, which, like so much of your so-called "religion," are a psychotic's interpretation of the Jewish tradition which is to relieve women of the obligation of certain aspects of worship, such as supporting the minyan, etc, not prohibiting women from participation.

Don't use your pre-medieval misogyny to blow smoke up our collective ass while trolling for sympathy for terrorists and terrorist enablers.

[Actually, the concept of a collective ass is rather terrifiying. Good. The question is now raised: how can we use it for national security?]

#35 bouzouki

Welcome to Dirk-dirkastan!

#32 traveler

"Pronouncing the Koran 'holy' three times would therefore be the equivalent to becoming a Muslim, since it claims both Allah as 'God' and Mohammed as his prophet"

Oy! Someone better get the memo out to our MSM.

This means that all the lovelies in our MSM are all Muslim now. It would be kind of fun to see Helen Thomas, MoDo, Katie Couric etc. in burkhas.

Geepers (#34) As always, spot-on. Where are my new kitten pictures? Huh?

Poitiers-Lepanto (#36),

Their double standards are downright perverse.

#34 Geepers

well you got the memo about Presient Bush and "Rummy" raping Saddam Hussein right? turns out THAT'S why we invaded Iraq... just so they could do that.

I got the memo from a Kinkos from TX...

(Do I need a /sarc tag? Nope.)

So can I go ahead and admit that initially when I saw this story, I thought this exotic-sounding "Lodi" place was in Pakistan, not California?

Have you ever heard this particular group of people denounce the terrorists?
Theye SHOULD be a back lash against them.
They have covered the terrorist activities.
Was it one of them that alerted the FBI?
Probably not!
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It just means that EVERY Paki-Sack in every semi-rural community across this nation needs to be watched...CLOSELY!
Vigilance is not vengance!

Trust me, Occasional, there is nothing exotic about Lodi, CA.

. . . And they will also play the Internment-of-the-Japanese card (a subject dear to the hearts of the LLL's, and always good for some sympathy.)

(Myself, I'd love to see more people play the Grand-Mufti/Arab world-supported-the-Nazis-in-WWII card, whenever this comes up.)

"The Dirk-dirastanis! Of course!"

“It’s one individual who makes everyone look bad,” said the man, who gave his name only as Shah

yea, and that individual's name was mohammed.

evildoer (#49) I'd be LMAO, if it wasn't so painfully true.

#46 mommydoc

Isn't Lodi out in the middle of nowhere, high desert in CA?

Hey mommydoc.

I've got some, just need to publish them out. One of these days.

I grew up in Lodi and still work there and in the area, but live in Sacramento.

I can assure you the Muslim community there is anything but fearful.

I have posted here before talking about altercations between a group in and around Lodi called "The Muslim Boys," and people I know.

They present themselves as a kind of hip-hop, Islamist hybrid and find strength in numbers. They have completely dominated the local park across from the mosque that is now under investigation and have been known to start fights, although in one instance they attacked a car load of my brother's friends and proceeded to get an ass-kicking, their car windshield smashed in, and arrested by local P.D. for starting the whole thing.

Their vitriol is real and evident to those within the community and hasn't gone unnoticed.

According to the latest reports, the investigations in Lodi have been going on for 2-3 years which doesn't suprise me in the slightest.

usatoday

rightymouse (#51) Yes and no. It is in the middle of nowhere, but between I5 and CA99 just north of Stockton and slightly south of Sacramento. It's therefore central valley, agricultural, and home to both a large Punjabi Sikh population and the Paki and Kashmiri muslims. Not to mention lots of Mexican migrants and good-ol-boy Rebublicans.

Unfortunately, urban sprawl from the Bay area has taken hold, making home prices approach unaffordable and bringing an influx of LLL.

I misread that statement - I assumed when Shah spoke of the Japanese and the government apologizing, I thought he meant the Japanese government apologizing to the world.

Internment camps, death march / Trade Centers, eggs at windows? Who's supposed to be apologizing here?

I think the equivalence needs some work.

OK, maybe a quick "Sorry to end the war so abruptly, but we had a 4 continents to rebuild" would be appropriate for the A-bomb.

I have yet to see any Muslim leader get on national TV and denounce these guys...

#54 ether

Sounds a lot like their awful behavior in Europe.

We have to nip it in the bud here NOW.

We're probably hearing the tip of the ice-berg on what's been going on in Lodi with these perps. The FBI isn't going to say much at this point so as not to taint their case.

Also, I can assure you all there is absolutely nothing exotic about Lodi.

It's biggest claim to fame is that it's the "Zinfandel Capitol" of the world.

The biggest happening prior to this crap was the backlash against a proposed super-WalMart that was front-page news for over a year.

That's why the song "Stuck in Lodi" exists, it describes a town that is basically the lint infested navel of the smog/pesticide beast known as the central valley.

Muslim persecution? Screw that. I'm suspicious of anyone who doesn't display the American flag on the 4th of July. And I watch 'em closely.

IVV

He's putting alot of hope and confidence that these people are innocent. It's amazing to compare these people to the Japanese internment camps. These folks just don't want to believe that most of them are radicals.

#42 Geepers

Their double standards are downright perverse.

yes, we are racist pigs if we dare use the word muslim in the plural, instead:

ALL the Founding Fathers were whip-happy slave-owners
ALL the CEOs of ALL Corporations are sharks who just want to maim people and exploit the world
ALL wars are wrong
ALL Military Commanders are war criminals (if they are American)
ALL Culture of Dignity and Honor is fascism
ALL Heroes are poor idiots who don't understand the Great Game
ALL Lizards are bloodthirsty nazis if they want to save the Western Freedom

and we could go on for a while...and it's called American University...

the lint infested navel of the smog/pesticide beast known as the central valley

ether, thank you for the best belly laugh I've had this morning (and I did have a couple already.) You couldn't have described it better, and I'm glad that it came from a native, as I was only a temporary resident. Of Stockton, actually, but I worked part of the time in Lodi.

"It's sad to see this ruin people's lives," he said of this week's arrests.

Egg wipes off, you f*ckwit.

BTW - How many of the alleged egg hurlers were named Mohammed? Any video to support this alleged hate crime?

You haven't seen a hate crime from the US... yet.

#55 mommydoc

Thanks! Appreciate the info. We need to educate ourselves as much as possible on this threat to our country and all possible solutions.

I'm going to get Michelle Malkin's book on internment. Would like to see what she has to say.

No mention of taking responsibility, just more insinuated conspiracy theories against the "innocent" moslims.
Bull shi'ite. Totally bull shi'ite.
This country needs a good cleaning out, with all traces of this cancer that is spreading itself across our nation.

#58

I know for a fact the links between Pakistani jihadis and Lodi are firmly rooted.

My aunt once dated an arab man in Lodi who would "jokingly" say he had traveled to Pakistan to learn military training. A few years into their relationship, he broke it off out of protest from his family. I can only assume it was because she was a white Christian and his family were strict Muslims. After that he moved back to Pakistan and hasn't been heard from since.

On another occasion, probably 7 years ago, I went into a Muslim friend's parent's house and saw banners in their living room with Arabic writing and Kalashnikovs, I thought nothing of it at the time and my friend said his father had fought when they lived in Pakistan.

I suspect there will be more arrests in and around Lodi before this is over.

When the general muslim community comes out and says in no uncertain terms, WE condemn terrorism, we repudiate the hateful imamams telling us to go forth and slay the infidel (in orange county) maybe then they would not have to worry about backlash, about normal americans being highly suspicious of them, course it will never happen

#67 ether
"I suspect there will be more arrests in and around Lodi before this is over."

Agreed. This is probably the tip of the ice-berg.

Bakka-Lakka-Dakka-Stan is in Lodi!

ether (#67) That is downright terrifying. That area of the country is one of the most PC, multiculti I've experienced. I finished my training at UCDavis in Sacto, and the incredible embrace they've given the muslim community is frightening in its naivete. And, all the while, they're growing in strength right under our hospitable, willfully blind noses.

And any of us who point it out are labelled as right-wing fascist nutjobs.

#1 Lthrnck

"...That was culturally insensitive. Riots happened. For that reason, President Dean shut the place down and turned it into the Museum for American Self-Flagellation. And, to be culturally sensitive, we changed our policy. Now, instead of detaining illegal combatants, we give them a hot meal and send them home to think about what they did. Everyone is happier."

Good stuff.

A man standing outside a house

= Expert.

#70 eschew_obfuscation

Lodistan.

mommydoc:

Congratulations on freeing yourself from the evil grasp of the beast.

I moved away 5 years ago, yet I'm still "stuck" there all the time because of work, friends, and family.

I do however think Lodi is better than Stockton, which is so crime-ridden it reminds me of Oakland on meth.

#40 rightymouse

This means that all the lovelies in our MSM are all Muslim now. It would be kind of fun to see Helen Thomas, MoDo, Katie Couric etc. in burkhas.

A burkha would be an improvement for Helen Thomas.

#76 ether

I think "Oakland on meth" is redundant ;)

#71

I go to college here in Sacramento and have also experienced the multi-cult wrath.

I did a presentation in humanities on Palestinian indoctrination through the media and actually had people walk out of the class. One girl even questioned the validity of my sources as her only rebuttal during questioning, despite my yahoo.com picures of terror training camps and jihadi dress-up I got via LGF.

Luckily the teacher was 75 years old and despite espousing tolerance ad nauseum, recognized dangerous ideologies and wan't afraid to be critical of them, having lived through WW2.

UCD on the other hand, I can only imagine.

ether:

Lodi is better than Stockton, which is so crime-ridden it reminds me of Oakland on meth

Yeah, with strong whiff of cow poop. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

In case anyone thinks I'm kidding about the healthcare angle, check this:

[Link: som.ucdavis.edu...]

There is a huge Ukrainian refugee population in Sacramento, with very specific health care needs (high fertility rate, lots of diabetes and hypertension, and therefore lots of older women who are pregnant for the 15th time with multiple high risk medical problems and enormous cultural barriers to following through on medical care.) Note that they don't get their own community clinic, complete with slick professional website. Apparently there's money in the muslim community for computer equipment and high speed internet access. Let the dhimmis pay for their health care.

#72 Iron Fist

I could be really, really wrong on this (waiting for incoming) as I need to research some more, but my gut tells me that the vast population of Muslims are being controlled through the rule of fear through their Imams and radical Islam. Take those two factors away and maybe, just maybe, they would settle down and get a life.

I'm coming from Natan Sharanksy's position that all human beings wish for the same things, including freedom. And those who are oppressed by the rule of fear tend towards what he calls "double-think".

“It’s sad to see this ruin people’s lives,” he said of this week’s arrests. “In the end, the government apologizes for its mistakes. This happened to others, like the Japanese people,” Shah said, referring to the internment camps of World War II.

Stick it, you self-pitying apologist fuck. Maybe if you didn't tie your identity to a culture of death, you wouldn't have these problems. Fuck off and die.

#77 Americain

"A burkha would be an improvement for Helen Thomas."

LOL! And MoDo too! Maybe she could write stories about the glories of spiritual feminism while dressed in a sack.

Yep, it's just a "misunderstanding" because we infidels don't grasp the glories of Allah.

Meanwhile in the real world, there have been nearly 200 arrests of suspected terrorists and supporters since 911, including some recent ones.

Arrests renew terrorist concerns

Terror-related arrests have occurred this month in other parts of the country as well. In Florida and New York, two US citizens - Tarik Shah and Rafiq Abdus Sabir - were arrested in an FBI sting, accused of conspiring to provide material support to a terrorist organization. And in Falls Church, Va., Maher Amin Jaradat was arrested for fraudulently procuring US citizenship, with federal agents alleging he failed to disclose ties to militant groups.

Hey Lodi Muslims:

One of your own just confessed to just getting back from jihad school in Pakistan, where he went to learn how to learn how to kill Americans. The report was that he wanted to target hospitals and food stores, albeit no specific plans were made. Yet.

Don't tell me that no one from your tight-knit community had any idea about this.

When are we going to hear about an American muslim community turning in such a person to the authorities? Instead of denying what person has already confessed to?

If you are going to continue to provide cover for such people, you cannot complain of Americans being suspicious of, distrustful of and disliking muslims in general.

We're at war. You're providing cover to the enemy. And that makes you a fair target for more than the suspicion, distrust and dislike you're complaining about now. Deal with it.

And by the way, if you're feeling uncomfortable now, a jihadi bombing of a foodstore or a medical facility in Lodi might result in some real discomfort. Lodi isn't Berkeley, it isn't San Francisco, and it isn't even Fremont.

No, no, no - Coors Field is in Lodi.

MnJoe: Do you mean LoDo?

Iron Fist:

Aladin Sane gave you a hug.

Here's another clueless element:

Clad in jeans and a sweatshirt, Nawaz Shah, 19, who came to Lodi from Peshawar, Pakistan, as a child, spoke about of the need to dispel stereotypes. Now a business major at Delta College in Stockton, he helped found the South Asia Culture Club three years ago. On Aug. 14, the club celebrates Pakistani Independence Day with performances and a feast.

"It's so people know who we really are, not stereotypes that we are terrorists," he said.

Maybe if the Paks showed up on the American Independence Day, people might not be so suspicious. Flaunting one's Islamic difference is not the best way to demonstrate assimilation, if I may use that battered word.

Brenda, we are, after all, talking about the adherents of a "religion" whose followers are so socially retarded that they need religious intervention to educate them on how to behave after a bowel movement.

When reminded of their "religion's" detailed instruction on post-defecation hygiene, I invariably get a mental image of mohammed's original followers smearing themselves and each other with feces because of poor wiping technique.

Do we really expect these sheeple to figure out how to assimilate in a more advanced society? Hell, they can't even figure out that if you take the trappings that made your shariah hellhole into said hellhole with you when you emigrate, the only thing that will have changed is location.

#16 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Ed, can you do something about the Torn-aeda cells here in eastern Kansas? Enough! Dhimmi shelter!

Well maybe you should rat out your psycho friends and not harbor them.

Then you don't have to worry about a backlash because you are a hero.

And don't act like you didn't know what they were up to. This ring probably runs a lot deeper and I guarantee all of those followers of "The Religion of Peace" were sympathizers to these extremist ideas!

What dip shits!

{Iron Fist}. Exactly so.

To become a Muslim, all one has to do is say, "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet" three times before witnesses.

You see-I had it all wrong-I thought you had to click your heels three times and say "There's no place like home." Or maybe it was "I divorce thee I divorce thee I divorce thee" while throwing dog poopies on her shoe.
Paki's are the worst. I spent two weeks after 9/11 listening to my co-worker mumbling koranic verses in arabic and swaying in his seat. This guy was one of the people who took care of the very highest executives in the firm. I have wished him dead a thousand times.
When he told me, the following year that his son was joining the army I couldn't help it-I asked "Which one?" "The oldest" he said. "No' says I-"which ARMY?"
It pissed him off enough so that he didn't speak to me for a week. I had people from several departments asking how I had accomplished that feat.

#98 taxfreekiller

I heard that. Gonzalez was utterly pathetic. His packaged answers were "we're doing everything that we can", "they only want jobs", and "the president cares about this issue". Alberto, the only difference between you Janet Reno as AG is I would never have the displeasure of hearing an interview with Reno.

After reading all of this cry-baby vitriol from Lodi-stan, it makes one wish for J. Edgar Hoover to be back in charge of the FBI. Then the jihadis would really have thier collective balls (if such things actually exist) in a vice. Hunting Reds was more fun, they had a little thicker skin than these twerps.

until they start diming out the seditious elements in their community on their own, instead of the feds uncovering it at customs, sorry but, yes, we will continue to paint you all with the same brush...or until some non-ROP members, say a bunch of i.r.a. terrorists or members of shining path, hijack & plow a commercial airliner into one of our skyscrapers. till then, shit out of luck, makmud, welcome to the concept of guilt by association.

#91 Iron Fist

Unfortunately, they are taught that their "religion" is more important than their nationality or citizenship. And then we have to deal with the fact that there are rival Islamic groups, Sunni, Shiite, etc. who think it's ok to kill each other.

It's one reason we'll see bombings of mosques in Pakistan by rival Islamic factions.

I could agree that Islam, by itself, promulgates violence and suppression if I tag it into my brain and equate it to communism as a perverse ideology: control of the masses through violence and fear.

It's the silent masses I am concerned for, not the Islamic thuggery at the top of the heap who wish ill to us, their own and the rest of the world.

We hate "Dear Leader" in the NK, but do we wish death to his citizens?

It's something I'm really struggling through.

And the fact that their leaders have not come out in condemnation is truly pathetic.

If they don't want to be suspected, they should quit islam.

islam is bad. I will always suspect it.

Nothing personal; just quit that cult.

#84 Lazarus
Have I mentioned that I love you, lately? You have summed it up perfectly. Thank you.

I have 3 words for the muslim world:

Prove. Us. Wrong.

It's that simple.

#107 mrsoc

:) Ahem, er, (blushes). Gosh, that's mighty kind. I do hope your nickname denotes a Mrs. OC and not a Mr. SOC, 'cause, well, let's put it this way: even if I were a Muslim, I would not be in line for a clitorectomy. :)

#103 templar

I had the same thought the other day. We need a modern day J. Edgar Hoover to go after these guys. (But no cross-dressing please)

Did not live in the US during his time. Came after he died - on the heels of Nixon resigning and watching Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Burma go "poof" to the commies.

Hubby told me that the commie threat to this country was huge. I could not believe it from a country of citizens who should know better. He told me that the academic intellectuals and artsty-fartsy types in this country are ideological retards.

So, now we have Islam as an ideology that the left embraces because it's anti-American, anti-capitalistic. This must be where we are now.

Can we quit calling it a religion and just say it's an ideology? Maybe that's one way of getting around some of the constitutional issues they so love to abuse.

To become a Muslim, all one has to do is say, "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet" three times before witnesses.

Harry Potter's third rule of triplicate?

I'm sure there is great meaning when performed in front of Islamic witnesses. Apostasy, as defined on the fly by some imam, is punishable by death.

#105 rightymouse:

Assuming there's a silent mass of muslims who disagree with the notion of killing all us infidels, I don't wish them harm. But their continued "silence," and their communities are used by the jihadis for cover and support. At some point, if they cannot break their silence on these matters, what's the difference between their silent support and the support given the jihadis by those who openly agree with the jihadi's goals? None, as best I can tell.

Making it easier and comfortable for the slient masses to remain silent increases the threat to the rest of us. But that is what we do every time we tell them that we love them and that we have no problem with them, it's just that damned tiny minority...

So while I do not wish the (hypothetical) silent masses harm, neither do I wish to comfort tham in their silence.

Cry me a river.

Cry me a river.
Cry me an ocean. hey [bigoted word]s, this isn't East Germany, the door's not locked if you want to leave!

#112 SF Conservative

Ok - I hear what you're saying.

I equate what is going now with Islam to communism - ultimate rule of the masses through fear vs freedom.

The difference between communism and Islam is that Islam is spread out across the globe yet tightly controlled through various sources, i.e. their countries, sect conflict or in liberated, free societies, through their local Imams and Saudi Wahabbi propaganda.

Communist countries were and still are, isolated from the rest of the world, hopefully a dying ideology. I don't take much stock in Western "elite" commies. They are blow-hards who have never had to live under the communist boot and have never suffered the appalling human deprivations. It's latte talk to them.

Islam, as an ideology, is the current threat to western society and culture.

Cut off the head and the dog dies.

Its NEVER about what they did. Its always about how they are going to be "persecuted". I think we are falling for this TACTIC. You all know we are falling for this tactic tooo much. Thank G-d the German American Bund didnt employ these tactics or we all would be speaking German right now..cept me..Id be DEAD.

After 9/11 we were all treated to the "Religion of Peace" Speeches..Those speeches of "tolorence" sent a message to Americans to dare NOT touch Muslims here in America..And the upshot of it was: the " Jihadi cells" are still here..wether they are made up of 10 people or 2 people..planning the next "action". Just moving right along..planning away.

When will we get really serious? Guess we have to wait for..what 2 or 3 more incidents? (bound to happen tho I wish it wouldnt happen) Are we waiting for a "suitcase" NUKE to get mad? Where are we going to draw the line?

No one wants innocent ..INNOCENT American Citizens attacked. But real Americans DO want these Islamic crazies, and those who make excuses for Islamic Crazies, whoever and wherever they reside in the US to be Stopped and OUT OF HERE.

Our Job is to pinpoint the POLICIES that make it easy for these enemies of America to keep on ..keeping on. Object to the Policies and those who support the policies..that is IF you want America to stay America.

mommydoc: Just for the hell of it..wanted to know if you yourself have been treated to any separate instructions when treating Muslim women? Or is it "in the air" that you should be extra respectful? Wonder if that is going on outside of Hospitals.

"angry people threw eggs and shouted insults at the Pak-Indian Spices Grocery store downtown"

I was on the toilet for hours one night after eating some Indian/Pakistan stuff. Egg throwing is the least of your worries!

#118 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I hear ya. That stuff'll make your ass burn like a Tandoori oven.

Let's assume these allegations of terrorist activities are false ---

1) According to Mohammed Shoaib, some Lodi Pakistani Muslims (for reasons unclear) opposed their religious leaders' noble efforts to build schools and clinics designed to serve their ummah.

2) But instead of addressing their opposition via the sharia rules that supposedly govern all life in their ummah, these Muslims allegedly went and lied to kafir federal authorities about their religious leaders being involved in terrorist activities.

3) Meanwhile, these supposed false accusers aren't named, pointed out, or brought to account via the sharia rules that supposedly govern all life in their ummah by anyone in their ummah thus far.

4) Instead of themselves fervently investigating their religious leaders and their accusers via the sharia rules that supposedly govern all life in their ummah, the rest of the Lodi Pakistani Muslim ummah spend their time worrying what non-Muslims will think of them, wringing their hands over unsubstantiated backlash and fears of internment camps, and frantically doing damage control on the bad publicity.

5) Meanwhile, the kafir federal authorities are left having to sort through the mess created within the ummah to begin with. But rather than offer assistance to weed out the troublemakers in their midst via the sharia rules that supposedly govern all life in their ummah, the Lodi Pakistani ummah assumes a defensive, victim stance while assuring themselves "the government apologizes for its mistakes."

I.e. the Lodi Muslim ummah have apparently taken what basically appears to be a domestic ummah dispute, abandoned any attempt to exercise sharia on the matter, gave the kafir authorities no choice but to intervene, and then claimed harassment by those same authorities. If their vaunted sharia had even worked for them at all, this whole mess would've never made it outside their ummah and into the negative spotlight of the media.

Seems this sharia of theirs ain't all it's cracked up to be.

“It’s sad to see this ruin people’s lives”

Whiner. Well, I am sad to see lives ruined by Islamofascists. Just for example, how about the Muslim women? How ruined can you go? Maybe when enough women get tired of being ruined, they'll rock your world, whiner.

Women get shunted into the corner to pray - in the broom closet or some other neglected, separate location, while the men get all the room with the imam.

How about women who watch their husband serial marry/divorce a series of fourth "wives" as an obvious substitution for screwing around? Would you feel ruined if you were one of the fourth wives?

I got this devastating quote from an angry Muslim woman (from indiatogether.org, November 2004)

"You have confused us enough with various interpretations of Koran. We can all read the Holy Book and interpret it the way we want to. We do not want you there to decide for us," [Hasnat] told the members of the All India Muslim Law Board present at the conference. Hasnat voiced the feelings of many other Muslim women activists, who often cheered and clapped when she spoke.

mommydoc -- wow!

Slightly OT but not really. I was at the doctor's office yesterday (in Canada)when up from behind me floated this angel-of-death looking creature. She had the full hijab/chador/animal cage business on - head to toe - with only her eyes showing. Frikin' freakiest thing I have ever seen in real life. Now, I would find it hard to believe that her "ice-cream truck driving" husband or father has nothing but peacful thoughts and intentions. This kind of dress should either be (a) illegal or (b) grounds for arrest of male relatives on suspicion of terror. You want to live in the Middle ages like that? go back to Pakistan or wherever. What are you looking for here?

#97 Fed Up Patriot

You said:

"This ring probably runs a lot deeper and I guarantee all of those followers of "The Religion of Peace" were sympathizers to these extremist ideas!"

Funny you should mention that. This a.m. I was listening to local talk radio (western NY) and it was established that of the original father/son arrested, the son was definitely linked to the "Lackawanna Six" and visited this area during the late '90's and on. It also has been postulated that he also drove an ice-cream truck in this area!

Local radio host was talking with Doug Hagman, NE Intelligence Network.

New York to California and back. Watch these ice-cream guys!

#125 T.A Tiger

What are you looking for here?

Victims.

rightymouse #81,

You are, I think, partially correct, and raise a good point, but when is Islam not ever Islam? Islam has always ruled by fear, and always will, if it is to remain a hateful, death cult. Without this hatred, however it is rationalized and channeled, I'm pretty sure Islam would not survive.

On a wider point, the problem remains that a person can still be thoroughly prejudiced, a racial and/or religious bigot, and still find the life of peace and prosperity they want. That is, they can live their life with little or no concern with the oppression and subjugation their own belief system may have when inflicted upon others. So when a Muslim says they are against terrorism or that Islam doesn't support terrorism (an absolute lie), I still have to deal with the unredeeming fact that most Muslims, in every poll I've read, support sharia, and live by the example and words of the Koran and hadiths from which sharia is derived, and so, would just as soon happily destroy this culture, and its freedoms, as they would the lives of those people who value these. The fact that you almost never hear any Muslims, no matter how esteemed, talk about how badly non-Muslim minorities are treated in their countries, whether by governments or by the Muslim people, which you would think would be exactly the kind of speech that would reflect well upon them and thus could arrest suspicion and the increasingly negative view of Islam, only further supports the idea and perception of Muslims by non-Muslims as being dishonorable, if not deceiving. I have to believe a majority of Muslims harbors such hatred, given that Islamic scriptures and culture are thoroughly soaked in this hatred and bigotry. That is why we have to keep the focus (the LGF mission) on the continual "silent invasion", in the islamization of culture through dhimmitude, now being rammed down our throats by the purveyors of political correctness.

nuclady #126,

Douglass Hagmann and/or Steve Quayle, his sometime collaborator, are frequent guests on [Link: www.coasttocoastam.com,...] a radio show with a 20 million listerner audience, though very often is only listed or scheduled at the last minute (their guest list can change almost daily).

The people they should be angry at are the residents inside their community who've been lying to them all along about who they were and what their intentions towards America were. If they've no been exposed, it's through no thanks to their neighbours who've harbored these criminals against their homeland. Are they in sympathy with them? That's the question that needs to be asked...are they also like their neighbours who've now been detained? They complain but how are we to know...some have betrayed America...why not some of the others?

Before they get on their Islamic high horses they should stop and think that all these terrorist sympathizers are Muslims.

I have one problem with comparing islam to communism. Communism is an economic/political construct. It's evil is vectored through organized governments. It is more easily contained within a national border. Communism has its true believers, but most people living under communism are eager to get free of it. Your average man on the street has a greater loyalty to his own belly than he does to a communist party. If capitalism feeds him better, his loyalty will shift.
The evil of islam is vectored through religion. Religion knows no political border. A persons loyalty to religion/God transcends the temporal world altogether. It runs far deeper than loyalty to a political party. Nobody does suicide bombings for a political party. That kind of depravity has to be rooted in the very depths of the soul. Only religion touches people so deeply. No matter what any muslim says, his loyalty will always and forever lie with the ummah, never to any nation or government.
Feed a communist enemy well, and he will convert to capitalism and no longer be an enemy. Feed a muslim well, and you get a well fed enemy.
JWM

Late last summer, I was attending a lecture on terrorism and how to recognize bombs and what to do if we saw one. The FBI agent lecturing us admitted that there were "several" al-quida (spelling) terrorist cells in central & northern CA. Gave me a warm fuzzy.

j

“In the end, the government apologizes for its mistakes. This happened to others, like the Japanese people,” Shah said, referring to the internment camps of World War II.

Clever. These guys know who to aim there message at. The same people who mean to force the rest of us to validate their feelings at the "Liberal Guilt Museum" planed in liu of a 9/11 memorial.

{Middle Eastern voice} "We did not do this thing! please do not beat us!"

I just realized I cant spell worth a damned.

#9

The Pak-Indian grocery store was probably purely Pak. Altough they hate Indians as their arch enemy, they always include the word Indian in their restaurants and grocery stores. Otherwise they barely get any business, because most of the S. Asian community in the U.S. is from India.

--Shah said his father, a cannery worker, taught him to value education and religion above all. --

OOPS!

That's the problem, how they value their religion.

#52 Iron Fist 6/10/2005 08:28AM PDT

Until the American street rises up, and we have mass rallies where we scream "Death to Islam!" and "Nuke Mecca!" and burn Korans, we're not going to be taken seriously. To paraphrase Shakespere, first we kill all the L³eftists...

You know it's the fact that Muslims in Iran and other place come out of services screaming death to (fill in the blank) that proves that they're barbarians and that Islam is a dangerous ideology, not a religion...

There's nothing wrong with pointing out that screaming "death to ..." makes them our enemies.

But when you turn it completely around and start screaming "Death to Islam" then you've just discredited your own cause.

Yes I realize that pacifism is too popular these days, and you have to actually explain to people that not actively defending your self, your family, your people, your country and your civilizeation is irresponsible.

But I wish you had the sense to hold back from giving your political opponents more ammunition.

You want to talk about nuking Mecca? Fine, talk about in the serious context of Wrechard's scenarios. If terrorists have WMDs and support in the Muslim world then you can discuss whether nuking Mecca is a good idea or not...

But going off half cocked, unseriously, you're just giving your political opponents ammuntion.

I see the name "Iron Fist" mentioned all over the left blogs as an example of how bad LGF is. Funny you seem to have made more of a splash than Bigle did (though he gets mentioned too).

I don't mean to pick on you. I think Charles is foolish for not saying something similar to everone. But I care about his cause too, even if I think he's let this place be a little too loose.

You fear for your safety? Do you fear because of the atrocious acts done to innocents in Beslan and Palestine and Iraq in the name of Islam?

Well, simply denounce the terrori-
What? You CANNOT? You WILL NOT DENOUNCE TERRORISM?

Then terror will be visited upon you! Law of Cause and Effect. The Golden Rule: Do unto others what you would do for yourself.

Do terror to others? Taste terror. As you sow, so shall ye reap!

#139 Iron Fist

I think my point was lost.

Sorry 'bout your ego, but this isn't about you.

Here's the frontline view from Lodi resident and anti-idiotarian Joe Guzzardi...

Home Sweet Lodi

Lodi, with its well-established community of 2,500 Pakistanis is, in fact a perfect breeding ground for terrorists.

Pakistanis have been coming to Lodi for decades. Despite cultural differences that include arranged marriages, second class status for Pakistani women, and the resistance of many adults to learn English or to enroll their children in K-12 schools, the Lodi city fathers have unquestioningly embraced them.

Pakistani Independence Day, celebrated on August 14th, gets as much coverage in the Lodi News-Sentinel as the Fourth of July.

#142 Iron Fist

Well you're going on and on about what lefties supposedly think about you and all this.

I didn't really mean to make this about you, except in that being all proud of writing "death to Islam" and "nuke Mecca" hurts the cause of educating average, middle of the road people about the WOT. Ok, I found what I'm talking about. It isn't you, it the cause. I care about that cause.

Lots of posts on this thread would turn off an average newbie to LGF, but I think yours was one of the worst. Why you'd be proud of that I can't imagine.

... cont.

So I just want people to be aware that what they type here does matter, a bit.

#146 Iron Fist

I'm not talking to the average, middle of the road people about the WOT

Well I am, because that's most people, so their attitude is what steers the country in the long term.

I'm talking to the hardliners on the other side. They need to know I exist.

The hardline left is a small minority. As the Gallup poll showed, for instance, 74% of Americans trust the military. The hardline left isn't big enough to swing country by itself - it needs to convince the middle if it is to affect policy... That's why you should drop your useless arguement with the left and try to recruit the middle.