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1 Earth2moonbat  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 6:45:10pm

Glooomy.

2 Bob's Kid  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 6:46:06pm

No! Not gloomy...COOL.

It was so hot here today...

3 scotch  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 6:47:30pm

minus the good-lookin'-sand it could be western wa.

4 Van Impe  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 6:49:51pm

One of the Lomdon bombers was a teaching assistant at an elementary school:

Khan was a supply special needs teaching assistant who specialised in helping children with disabilities at schools around Leeds and Dewsbury, West Yorks.


Was married with a child and another on the way. Despite being 30 years old the MSM will try to portray him as a "misguided youth" From The Sun

5 Kirly  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 6:55:00pm

#2 Bob's Kid

It was so hot here today...

116 here today in hell on earth, er, uhm, i mean phoenix. and to think i recently had a chance to leave. couldn't do it. it's absolutely fabulous here 9 months out of every year so i guess it's worth it... to me.

6 jwm  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 6:56:02pm

Typical late spring/early summer morning- heavy marine layer(uaually burns off by noon), 1-3 ft W/SW swell, nobody on the beach just yet. Wait a few hours. People show up. Kids out of school. Families. Beach towels. Tuna sandwiches. Lemonade and red fruit punch in gallon plastic bottles. Boogie boards and Coppertone. Someone playing the radio too loud, but it's KRTH oldies so no one complains. Annoying flies that sting before you can swat them. Driving home with sand on the brake pedal.
JWM

7 Beagle  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 6:56:41pm

Playing Spot The Oil Tanker, I don't find one.

8 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 6:57:03pm

#4 Van Impe
I get it. An all-around good guy like he was obviously would never have done anything like this without a legitimate grievance.

9 Mike C.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 6:57:45pm

Ah, an open thread. Perfect for covert posting from work !

10 rightasrain  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 6:57:55pm

In the summer, I like to take an early evening shower to wash off the worries of the day and then go outside in the cooler air while my hair is still trying to dry.

It is such a nice way to cool off!

11 Kirly  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 6:58:04pm

#6 jwm

KRTH oldies

wow! i remember that station! it was playing the 50's and 60's in the 70's and 80's! i find it amazing that they haven't changed in all this time. i had forgotten what the station called and seeing it in your post brought back alot of memories.

12 William  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 6:59:13pm

VIDEO:

Frontline

Al Qaeda's New Front: Europe
[Link: www.pbs.org...]
 

13 louminatti  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:02:09pm

Here's the Danish pizza guy currently sitting in prison for not serving Germans and French.

[Link: www.aagespizza.com...]

I didn't know French and German were distinct races, but he was jailed for racism.

Here's his story.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Is it a bullshit marketing gimmick? I don't know.

14 kathyn  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:04:49pm

It hit 104 here today (Salt Lake). That beach sure looks good.

15 religion of bacon  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:09:24pm

I see the Reuters headline off in the right column, "Annan advocates UN Council expansion now."

a.k.a. "let's dilute the influence of the US and UK as quickly as possible."

16 rightasrain  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:09:35pm

When I used to go to the beach as a kid, what I liked best was to put my toes in cool sand in the shade.

My Mom always had an umbrella up so we'd have a shady place to sit. The cool sand under that umbrella had such a wonderful feel to it.

The contrasts of a hot day at the beach with cool water and patches of cool sand were heavenly.

17 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:09:48pm

Interesting article by Stephen Schwartz who, if I recall correctly, visited here several times.
London: The Pakistani Connection

...According to the authoritative Muslim Council of Britain, the British Islamic population, totaling 1.5 million, has a plurality of 610,000 Pakistanis, with an additional 360,000 from Bangladesh and India, and 350,000 Arab and African. Unfortunately, Pakistan is the world's second most significant front-line state (after Iraq) in the global war on terror. Pakistan produced the Jama'at-i-Islami (Community of Islam) movement, founded by Abu'l Ala Mawdudi, a theologian who died in 1979, strangely enough, in Buffalo, New York, at age 76. Known as Jamaatis, the followers of Mawdudi have attained exceptional influence in the Pakistani army and intelligence services, and were a key element in the Pakistani-Saudi alliance to support the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. ...

...and of Pakistani unrest

...Gen Musharraf's efforts should not be dismissed out of hand. He has arrested hundreds of terrorist suspects and fed intelligence gleaned from them to the Americans. Several attempts on his life are testimony to his courage and the threat he poses to the radicals. But the links between the mullahs and the military in Pakistan are so deep-seated that the general is less impervious to Islamist pressure than might appear. In parliament he has entered into an alliance with the religious parties. And he knows that the arrest of bin Laden could provoke sufficient unrest to unseat him. ...
18 psyopsvsislam  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:10:19pm
19 Van Impe  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:11:28pm

Moonbat logic on display at al-Guardian:

We can't of course be sure of the exact balance of motivations that drove four young suicide bombers to strike last Thursday, but we can be certain that the bloodbath unleashed by Bush and Blair in Iraq - where a 7/7 takes place every day - was at the very least one of them. What they did was not "home grown", but driven by a worldwide anger at US-led domination and occupation of Muslim countries.

So in other words these British Muslims were so outraged by the daily killings in Iraq they chose to become suicide bombers. The only problem with this theory/explantion is that the people doing the killing in Iraq are muslim suicide bombers. Yes there is a July 7 every day in Iraq and the culprits are muslim terrorists. Link to entire moonbat column.

20 justDanny  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:14:49pm

#18

All my muslem friends are very good at tests.

21 jbinnout  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:16:02pm

#10 rightasrain

Huh? So...what do the neighbors think about that?

22 RebTex  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:17:12pm

Is there REALLY that large a calling for this type of thing?
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

23 justDanny  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:17:33pm

#19 Van Impe

Jack ? Is that you?

24 William  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:18:33pm

Regarding #12, this is the first time I've seen video of the Madrid train bombings with sound.

Odd that.

Takes place at about 2:45 in the 'Chapter 1' video.

Do you think the "mainstream" media would suppress video with sound of terrorists wearing panties on their heads at abu ghraib?

MMMA.
 

25 rightasrain  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:19:05pm

#21 jbinnout

Huh? So...what do the neighbors think about that?

Well, I think most people have seen women's hair after a rainstorm - same thing. Being in nice clean clothes with hair still drying is a wonderfully cool feeling after a hot day, that's all.

26 RebTex  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:21:16pm

Everybody hide!
Here comes American Soldier!
Ready?
3...2...1..
SURPRISE!

27 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:21:32pm

#22 RebTex
Maybe.
*shrug*
I wonder if the Outfest Legacy Project has enough "perpetuity" in reserve to keep it going.

28 American Soldier  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:23:16pm

Ta-da!

29 religion of bacon  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:25:03pm

#23 justDanny

I'll bet it's Rexella. ;) I haven't watched that show in a long time, but I used to crack up when Jack would go off on some long apocalyptic diatribe about current events, including long and accurate quotes from Revelations and lots of grimacing and intense looks... then they'd cut to Rexella, who would look chipper and wide-eyed and say something like, "gosh, Jack, isn't that something!" and go into some happy-news story. They're sort of the Alpha and Omega of religious broadcasting...

30 tats66  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:25:20pm

What do u guys think? Will the mass killing of the Iraqi children by the piece of shit TERRORISTS today have any backlash FINALLY against the scumbags?

31 RebTex  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:27:09pm

Tats66( with no "i")
Nope!

32 seadog  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:30:37pm

#30 tats66

Will the mass killing of the Iraqi children by the piece of shit TERRORISTS today have any backlash FINALLY against the scumbags?

None, whatsoever.

33 American Soldier  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:31:17pm

Reb- left you one more post on the Gitmo thread. The old vans were like flying. I set a Chicago speed record one night.

Re: Gitmo
Was trying to link to stickdeath.com, not working. Funny gitmo stuff there.

The torture of no A/C has gotten to me. Good night, lizards.

34 justDanny  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:32:57pm

#29 religion of bacon

I find the Van Impes very entertaining. I didnt watch "religious tv" untill after I became an atheist. My favorites are shows around Southern Baptists are visiting Israel.

35 Evan from NZ  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:33:30pm

Check this doozy of an article I found just now:

Why Israel must go
By: Tess Lee Ack
From Socialist Alternative Ed: 72 November 2003

WHY WOULD ANY decent person support a state which began its existence with the dispossession, expulsion and murder of large numbers of the original inhabitants, and went on to create an undemocratic society which favours one group and discriminates against all others on ethnic and religious grounds; a state which invades and occupies territory outside its own borders, systematically terrorising the population and stealing their resources?

Israel is such a state. Yet Israel’s right to exist is defended not only by right-wingers, but by some on the left and even sections of the Palestinian leadership. Revolutionary socialists argue that the state of Israel should be destroyed and replaced by a multicultural, democratic, secular state.

Defenders of Israel argue that it is the product of a struggle for national liberation. According to the Anti-Defamation League, Zionism “is to the Jewish people what the liberation movements of Africa and Asia have been to their peoples.”

But the Zionist project has nothing in common with genuine national liberation struggles, in which masses of people fought to throw off the yoke of imperialism. On the contrary, Zionism has always been an enthusiastic partner of imperialism, and Israel today could not survive without the economic and military support of the United States.

For Jewish European settlers backed up by the big guns of imperialism to claim “national liberation” at the expense of the Palestinian people is a disgusting perversion of the concept.

As internationalists, socialists draw a distinction between bourgeois (reactionary) and revolutionary (progressive) nationalist movements. The issue for us is whether those struggles draw in the mass of the oppressed population and become a challenge to imperialism.

A racist settler state in the Middle East which acts as an agent of US imperialism is nothing but an expansionist, oppressive state. As recent events make clear, the Israeli state is hell-bent on a program of ethnic cleansing to fulfil the Zionist dream of an exclusively Jewish state, Eretz (Greater) Israel, expanded well beyond the 1948 borders.

Zionism and imperialism

Zionism is a product of European society in the age of imperialism. Capitalism, with its violent economic booms and slumps, created a climate in which Jews became easy scapegoats. Zionism was the response of a tiny minority of Jews in the late nineteenth century to a resurgence of anti-Semitism.

The founder of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, believed that anti-Semitism was inherent in human nature, so it was pointless to fight it. He accepted the anti-Semitic argument that Jews were an economic burden on society, thus provoking violence against them. The solution for Jews was therefore to form a state of their own.

Herzl argued that the Jewish state could only be built under the patronage of one of the imperialist powers. He and other Zionists accepted racist ideas about the “civilising” virtues of colonisation and “the white man’s burden”. They were open about what they stood for: not national “liberation,” but “colonisation.”

The reactionary character of Zionism is further demonstrated by its cosy relations with the worst anti-Semites of the time, with whom the Zionists found common cause in their hostility towards poor, working class Jews who were actively fighting oppression.

The revival of anti-Semitism had led to millions of Jews joining socialist organisations. It is not hard to see why. While Zionism meant a retreat from the struggle against anti-Semitism, the socialist movement argued that the fight against anti-Semitism by both Jews and non-Jews was central to the revolutionary struggle against capitalism.

ctd

36 religion of bacon  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:33:38pm

#30 tats66

...making Iraqis even more wary of associating with Americans, and more anxious than ever to see them depart.

No, that's not a Reuters quote, I just made it up -- you can pretty much predict the media spin on this stuff by now.

37 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:33:58pm

I didn't realize just exactly how much I was missing by not reading Harper's.

Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005. From an email exchange between a retired New York City police officer and U.S. military officials. The emails were sent between March 14 and April 2 and posted on the website of the Information Clearing House. Originally from August 2003.
SourcesFrom: ***@aol.com
To: pao@centcom.mil
Subject: Simple Request

Dear Public Affairs Officer:

If possible can this be relayed to a Navy, Air Force or Army or Marine unit in the Gulf Region. A simple request from a Vietnam Veteran and Retired New York City Police Department Sergeant who lost his son on 911 at the WTC. Simply to have his son's name put on one of the munitions (bomb, missile, artillery shell) that will be used on the war on terrorism including Iraq. His son's name was Jason Sekzer, the father is Wilton A. Sekzer. Thank you. ...


To read the rest, scroll down past the advertisement for

Harper's Magazine invites readers in the Washington, D.C. area to
What Went
Wrong in Ohio?
A Forum on Voting Irregularities in the 2004 Election

Featuring:
Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) · Eleanor Clift, contributing editor, Newsweek · Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) · Mark Crispin Miller, contributing writer, Harper's Magazine · Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones (D-OH) · Moderated by Lewis Lapham, editor of Harper's Magazine.

Thursday, July 21
8:00 - 10:00 A.M.
Room HC-5
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[sheesh!]
It's Always Lethal

38 jbinnout  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:33:59pm

#25 rightasrain

Ok..agreed. How ever I understand that the rays eminating from uncovered hair has been known to drive ME men crazy. :)

39 tats66  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:34:19pm

I tend to agree...wishful thinking on my part as reports stated that the civilians were "cursing" the murderers responsible...ah well...

40 Evan from NZ  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:34:54pm

ctd

The Zionist leader Chaim Weizmann lamented: “The lion’s share of the [Jewish] youth is anti-Zionist …and I am not speaking only of the youth of the proletariat … Almost the entire Jewish student body stands firmly behind the revolutionary camp…”

Herzl argued that Zionism was the solution to Russia’s “Jewish problem”. In 1903 he told the Tsar’s Interior Minister Count von Plehve, organiser of countless pogroms: “Help me reach land sooner and the revolt will end. And so will the defection to the socialists.” Zionists in Russian unions argued against united action with non-Jewish workers.

The Jewish socialist Zhitlovsky responded: “We revolutionaries, even the most national among us, … do not believe that Zionism is able to resolve our problem. … [W]e will not renounce the … path of revolutionary struggle against the Russian government, which should also lead to the freedom of the Jewish people…”.

The rabidly anti-Semitic British ruling class had its own reasons for supporting Zionism. After World War I, Arab nationalism had emerged as a threat to imperialist domination of the Middle East, and Britain wanted to use the Zionists against the Arabs. As Winston Churchill said, “[A] Jewish State under the protection of the British Crown … would be especially in harmony with the truest interests of the British Empire.”

The Holocaust

Israel derives its most powerful claim to legitimacy from the Nazi Holocaust, which for many confirmed Zionism’s claims that anti-Semitism is inevitable. The governments of the world stood by and watched as Hitler slaughtered the Jews, not lifting a finger to help.

But the Zionists’ response to the Holocaust is equally shameful. They saw it as a vindication of their ideas and an opportunity to advance their cause.

Zionist leaders bluntly stated that they didn’t want millions of impoverished refugees from Hitler’s Germany in Palestine, but only young, healthy Jews who could work and fight and build the state. Some refugees were even sent back to Germany.

David Ben-Gurion, later the first Prime Minister of Israel, said: “It is the job of Zionism not to save the remnant of Israel in Europe but rather to save the land of Israel for the Jewish people…”.

This stance resulted in many instances of Zionist collaboration with the Nazis. One involved Rudolph Kästner, who was in charge of the Rescue Committee in Hungary. In exchange for safe passage for a “VIP train” of 1,685 Hungarian Jews (including his own family and friends), Kästner agreed not to warn the Jews of Hungary about plans for their extermination, not to take any action to protect them – and most despicably, to deceive them by convincing them that they were simply being “relocated” when they were going to the death camps.

It was Jewish socialists who fought to defend the Warsaw Ghetto; alongside other socialists, they also played a leading role in organising resistance to fascism. But the Nazis largely succeeded in wiping out the Jewish revolutionary left in Europe. The destruction of the anti-Zionist tradition allowed Zionism to get away with claiming to represent all Jews – and to paint anyone who opposed them as an anti-Semite.

The “two state solution”

To create an exclusively Jewish state with a Jewish majority, the Zionists had to destroy the Palestinian economy, steal the land and kill or drive out as many Palestinians as possible, all of which was done with extreme violence – and the blessing of all the great powers. (See SA#71 for a more detailed account of these events.)

Yet many who sympathise with the Palestinians still insist on Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state. The best outcome, they argue, is for a Palestinian state alongside Israel.

But such a state could never be viable.

41 religion of bacon  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:35:04pm

#34 justDanny

All I have to say is: "Robert Tilton."

42 Evan from NZ  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:35:40pm

ct'd

The map shows this graphically. The tiny patch of land that is the West Bank, plus the even tinier area of the Gaza Strip, would form the basis of a Palestinian “mini-state”. These small areas are further fragmented by ever-increasing Jewish settlements, a network of Jewish-only roads and a “security wall” which cuts through and into Palestinian land, dividing communities and cutting them off from the source of their livelihood. An elaborate system of checkpoints means it takes many hours to travel a few kilometres. And Israel diverts (i.e. steals) 70-80 per cent of the water for its own use.

In 1968, Fatah (the majority faction of the Palestine Liberation Organisation, led by Yasser Arafat) called for the dismantling of the Israeli state and the establishment of a democratic, secular state in which Jews, Christians and Arabs could live as equals – as they had done for hundreds of years.

As Arafat put it, “We were saying ‘no’ to the Zionist state, but we were saying ‘yes’ to the Jewish people of Palestine. To them we were saying, ‘You are welcome to live in our land, but on one condition – you must be prepared to live among us as equals, not as dominators.’”

But this was unacceptable to the Zionists and their imperialist backers. Tragically, the PLO looked to governments rather than to the working masses of the Middle East for support, and were of course disappointed. So they retreated to the “two state” compromise, although they kept this secret from their own people for some years, knowing it would be seen as a betrayal.

The problem for Arafat is that imperialism doesn’t compromise. The US poses as an “honest broker” for peace, but in reality neither Israel nor the US are interested in peace: they want total surrender.

Arafat’s likely successor, Marwan Barghouti, recently on trial in Israel for his part in the Palestinian resistance, talked of abandoning the “two state” compromise in favour of a fight for democratic rights within the whole area under Israel’s control.

Since there can be no justice for the Palestinians while Israel exists, such a change of position on the part of the mainstream Palestinian resistance would be a major step forward.

43 elBarto  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:37:02pm

I am calling up the ACLU and see about the torture at work today. They are deliberately playing with the air-conditioner. One moemnt it is too hot the next cold. In addition to the one of guards was playing ABBA all day. I swear the next thing you know there will be dog leashes and panties on peoples head.(Probably at the christmas party.)

44 Ol' flyboy  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:37:34pm

Love the picture at the top. Reminds me of my teen years at Longfellow Ave. in Hermosa Beach when my biggest concern was getting a zit.

/that was 45 years ago...

45 Victor  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:38:05pm

“On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to a songstress.”

Must be why there's no Muslim opera.

Sharia law link

46 elBarto  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:38:22pm

Please forgive my typos in 43.

47 RebTex  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:39:41pm

AmSo
A speed record?!
Sounds like fun!

48 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:44:17pm

#45 Victor

“On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to a songstress.”


Must be why there's no Muslim opera.


Actually, it must be why there's no Muslim joy.

49 religion of bacon  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:44:19pm

#45 Victor

That turns out to be a mistranslation -- it's actually

"On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to Ashlee Simpson."

This is seen as further evidence of Allah's infinite mercy.

50 justDanny  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:44:22pm

Traffic circle. Just say no.

51 Evan from NZ  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:44:34pm

Hmm, the article I posted seems to have been heavily sourced from this little number:

The Hidden History of Zionism

52 jlfintx  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:45:45pm
53 justDanny  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:47:05pm

#45 Victor

I jam on Evanescence every chance I get. I hope I am when blAllah shows up toting his kettle.

54 Mr. E. Train  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:47:37pm

To show that pic.. so very cruel of you.

It was at least 103 today in the air conditioned building I work in today. That is until the heat melted the glue and what-not holding the glass in the pane. When we went to look we saw a kid running into the street to go after a ball. As he got to the ball the combined heat of the direct sunlight and the blacktop cause the poor little spud to burst into flame. His ball melted into a puddle of latex.

While waiting for the light rail to come by and take me home a fight broke out. Some smarty arse did the unthinkable. He said "So is it hot enough for you?"

Several men and an elderly lady began to beat him while others began to shout "HANG HIM! Here, use my belt, theres a low hanging branch over here!"

You get the idea.

Complain about the heat in Phoenix? Well you live in a desert. Like Super Chicken said "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it"

But here, you're just close enough to the ocean that every once and a while you get what they call the 'delta breeze'. Its a little puff of cool air that sneaks in now and again from the bay area. Just enough to remind you how dam hot you really are and how nice it is just an hour away. Then it ends, dances away like it was never there and your are right back to the street buckling heat.

The strange thing with the summer heat in the Big Sac is you know just how long its going to last. October 30'th. In the nearly 20 years Ive been here the summer lasts until the day before Halloween, then on the night of the low dips down in the low 50's. In a roughly 50 hour period you go from sweating like a pig to shivering as you follow the kiddies through the neigborhood. Its like god throws a switch and BAMB the change is on.

55 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:49:21pm
56 RebTex  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:49:22pm

Just Danny
What is that?
A Heli Pad?

57 leftover54  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:50:19pm

helping children with disabilities...

This doesn't mean jack sh*t. I've met plenty of whack jobs in this line of work that would have been right at home (employed) at Auschwitz. Many others do it solely for the money, benefits and the low requiremnets for emploment.

58 leftover54  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:51:01pm

pimf: employment

59 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:51:42pm
60 religion of bacon  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:52:48pm

#57 leftover54

And I thought I was cynical...

61 justDanny  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:54:22pm

#56 RebTex

Its a traffic circle. Three, soon four roads drive into it, then each driver tries to survive around a yield only no stop sign circle. Everyone entering yields to those already in the loop. No stops sign. No lights.

62 Mardukhai  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:55:43pm

6 JRM and 11 Kirly

KRTH is generally called K-Earth.

On the onther hand, I'm old enough to remember when these hits were originally played on:

"K-F-W-B... Color radio! Channel 98!"

63 Evan from NZ  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:55:57pm

#55 Rayra 7/13/2005 09:49PM PDT

#35 Evan from NZ 7/13/2005 09:33PM PDT
Check this doozy of an article I found just now:

Why Israel must go
By: Tess Lee Ack
From Socialist Alternative Ed: 72 November 2003

Sweet. A ~60yr old Aussie Socialist Anti-Semite. Hope she gets killed by a pack of dingo.

Ah, so she has a reputation does she?

Note how she condenses an entire screed into her own little screed - see that link.

64 jpundit  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:56:31pm

rightasrain #10, #16, #25:

Nice prose poem. Thanks.

65 gbl  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:56:41pm

Well these guys are back in business -- at least not with a U.S. hosting company.

"For 10 Euros you can support a terrorist"

[Link: www.antiimperialista.org...]

66 elBarto  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:56:49pm

61 They are popping up all over the place here. I personally hate them.

67 freedomplow  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:57:14pm

Google ass see what happens.

68 Evan from NZ  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:57:35pm

#59 Rayra 7/13/2005 09:51PM PDT

Hey, Evan from NZ, hit the f'n Tip Jar for spamming that shit here. Especially pasting that screed into what is supposed to be the relaxing topic of the day.
A link will do / is all that's desired.

I tried to link, but the address apparently doesn't exist anymore.

69 Evan from NZ  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:57:49pm

whoops

70 carefulnow  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:57:58pm

#63 Mardukhai

What about KRLA?

71 gunslingah  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:58:00pm

#4 Van Impe:

Despite being 30 years old the MSM will try to portray him as a "misguided youth"

To paraphrase the great Willie Nelson, "Mamas, don't let your babies grow up... to be Muslims."

72 religion of bacon  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:58:43pm

#61 justDanny

We could use some traffic circles around here. They would serve as "honeypots" that would attract and kill all the bad drivers. Just scrape 'em up every couple hours to clear the way for more.

ok, enough frivolity from me for now...

73 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 7:59:31pm

#62 Mardukhai

"K-F-W-B... Color radio! Channel 98!"


I also remember 'Radio 1110, KRLA!' and
'93 KHJ'.

74 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:00:40pm

61 Just Danny

Called a roundabout...

75 gunslingah  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:01:36pm

#50 justdanny:

Traffic circles are very common overseas, especially in former British colonies. Not one of the UK's finer post-colonial legacies. In fact, obnoxious. Please, tell me, they aren't gaining currency here in the States?

76 William  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:01:46pm

In 'Chapter 4' of the Frontline video, at about 5:00, they interview an islamofascist (Rida Sayam?) who lives free in Berlin, Germany:

Question: Bin Laden says muslims have to kill Jews and the crusaders, do you agree with this?

Sayam: Bin Laden doesn't say you have to kill this or that person, the koran says this.

[Link: www.pbs.org...]

77 William  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:02:53pm

Sorry, regarding #76, that's Chapter 3, not Chapter 4.
 

78 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:04:17pm

justdanny
Just up from where my son lived in Baltimore there was a traffic circle where no one ever had any problem. Here's a helpful hint: Position yourself so that you are hogging the road before you enter the thing and don't allow anyone in with you. FWIW.

79 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:05:58pm

#18 psyopsvsislam -

I took a quick look at your quiz and it triggered a thought and I'd like to put a question to Lizardoids in general.

Do you put God and family before your country?

Why I ask is summed up by this by conservative Tony Rubolotta.

God, Family and Country - I prioritize my loyalties in that order, and while I can't speak for all conservatives, most that I know share those priorities. This is anathema to the new social order offered by the left.

After thinking about your quiz (which asks muslims if they put country before God), I realize that I put country before God. That is, I have a greater value for rule of law over rule of God. Rule of God always requires men to interpret "God's law." You end up with a theocracy. The US system of government places rule of law as supreme, not the rule of God.

However, conservatives often will place the hierarchy as "God, Family and Country." Those conservative would fail your test, would they not?

80 justDanny  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:05:58pm

I dont like them because anyone driving into them without an understanding of the rules, endanger people and property in the loop. When I come in from the east wanting to go south, I first slow and look at the plates of those around me. If there is an out of county plate, I slow down and stay away. Bad things will happen in that circle. In a no-outlet neighborhood where everyone knows the deal, it would be great I'm sure. Between three major county roads, dangerous.

81 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:05:59pm

#74 Amalie
Exactly.

82 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:06:06pm

75 gunslingah

Too late... traffic circles, which reminds me of crop circles are already in the West... they call them "roundabouts". We call them, other names, not so nice names and the persons who decided to put them in.

83 Merovign  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:06:25pm

#0 Charles

Coool. Especially since it was 105 here today (pant pant).

#4 Van Impe

So the guy abandoned his wife and child to go off and murder strangers in a public place because he was promised a bunch of nookie and goodies? What does that make him?

#45 Victor

Sit and listen to the beautiful voice of a woman singing, and you are condemned by all Islam.

Well, they do say you can judge a man by the quality of his enemies.

#61 justDanny

Traffic circle, roundabout, stupid magnet, whatever. It was designed by someone who hated people. It's one of the reasons I don't go downtown anymore.

Roundabouts are collisions waiting to happen, they cause and do not relieve traffic jams, they add distance and time to journeys, they trap helpless small animals and make the baby Jesus cry.

I'm gonna go look at that cool beach picture and chill out now.

84 carefulnow  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:06:47pm

Regarding traffic circles, anybody ever driven in northeast Australia? There seemed to be no stops, just roundabouts that would be insane even without going the wrong way.

85 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:09:13pm

justdanny
That's one county road (or used to be) and two minor arteries. You can't drive 55mph on it like you used to be able to do when it was a straight shot. I saw where some fool took out a street light today.
*I'm sure the metro government will get right on it.*

86 justDanny  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:10:16pm

J.D.

For people turning right its a breeze. Staying in the left lane to turn right across a lane of traffic that might not be turning, is going to hurt someone.

I have zero problem handling the circle correctly. Its Billy Bob and Betty Sue from Harrodsburg who are going to hurt someone.

87 Lightning_Man  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:11:00pm

I couldn't sleep, so I wrote an Op-Ed.

Who is Judith Miller protecting? That's the question not being asked by conventional media, and it is not being asked because they would have to ask it about one of their own and they would have to outgrow the notion that Karl Rove's head is waiting to be served up as today's blue plate special. They would have to take a new tack because a thoughtful examination of the possibilities means the likelihood is high it is not Rove.

First, why help Rove at all? Most conventional media writers have no love for this administration and Rove is seen as the linchpin of George W. Bush's success. The last thing they'd want to do is keep him in place. And then there's the matter of the effectiveness of concealing a source that is already revealed. Miller protecting Rove with her silence is like protecting chickens with a fox. Matt Cooper's notes put Rove's name out in public. Rove has publicly released anyone from protecting him. If the source is Rove, as the conventional media would have it, this means Miller is in jail for a principle, one of which the courts have already rejected the validity. With the cat out of the bag, a second revelation would put Rove in no worse position than he already is and Miller could be home watching the Real Gilligan's Island. If her source really is Rove, she is a stupid woman.

So one can gather that it is not, which is much kinder than saying she is stupid. But if it is not Rove, then who is it? Well, it is possible that it is another member of the Bush administration. But the question is similar to one one might ask about protecting Rove: why assist any member of the administration with "getting away with it" rather than going home and having a latte in the breakfast nook?

Which leads us to someone outside the administration. The possibilities here are rich: Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame (oops, I've blown her cover), Judith Miller herself ("I overheard her at a cocktail party"). There has been no digging done to reveal any clues that point to any of them. But if the media were even a third as fair as they think they are, they would do some looking.

Alas, "Basted Head of Political Advisor" is the only thing they can see on the menu, and they are not going to stop until they get served. However, judging by the statute under which this is all being pursued, it appears that all the conventional media is going to get is a good helping of crow.

88 gunslingah  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:13:23pm

#82 Amalie:

In certain areas, such as parts of East Africa and the Persian Gulf region, they have belatedly realized (after building a complete road infrastructure) that traffic circles/roundabouts/whatever simply don't work when traffic density reaches a certain point, so they have tried to "fix" the problem by installing traffic lights. Now, you have the absolute worst possible scenario, traffic circles with traffic lights. Ugh. Astonishingly irritating.

In the U.A.E., the last time I was there, they seemed to be trying to go in a whole new direction by replacing existing roadways and traffic circles with what we in California would call freeways; overpasses, on- and off-ramps, etc.

Why in the world, when others who have used them for years seem to have realized the futility of traffic circles, are we Americans beginning to embrace them? Makes no sense to me.

89 justDanny  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:14:45pm

J.D.

Drive on Clays Mill between 7-9 am and then again from 4-6 pm on a weekday. Nicholasville Road is Highway 27, goes from Detroit to Florida. Harrodsburg at Circle 4 is the most dangerous intersection because of the high traffic. Those are busy roads.

The inexperienced people are my problem with the circle. In a ideal world the circle would rock.

90 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:15:41pm

#86 justdanny
I wonder what happened to the trees in the medians? On two (2) different occasions, someone has taken out 3 - 4 trees each time on a straight shot down the main road.

91 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:17:44pm

88 gunslingah

Reverse Logic... at it's worst. Lights in a traffic circle.. ugh! Some cities are so poorly planned and you wonder why, until you actually meet the City Council yahoos..

92 Kirly  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:18:04pm

#73 Solomonpanting

'93 KHJ'.

i had forgotten. from the AM dial. ha!ha!

93 justDanny  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:18:46pm

#75 gunslingah

The traffic circle I posted a link to in comment #50, is in Lexington Kentucky. Maybe we are a test market for an invasion.

94 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:20:40pm

#89 justdanny
Statistically, the most dangerous intersection is 27 and Man o'War.
And speaking of Clay's Mill, which I've driven at all hours of the day and night, have you noticed how dangerous it is when an ambulance comes down that road? Know why that is? Because the CAVE people fight widening it (within the boundaries of the existing right-of-way) every time the subject comes up. That is a problem.

95 gus3  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:20:53pm

#54 Mr. E Train:

There's a high-pressure system over Las Vegas, and a low-pressure system over Los Angeles, that together are blowing all that desert heat towards the Bay Area.

Y'all can stop sending it this way anytime. We already have enough hot air with Barbara Boxer and her ilk.

96 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:21:54pm

I remember years ago trying to cross a roundabout in France as a pedestrian. After realizing that traffic does not stop for pedestrians, I observed a local doing the same. The secret was to make sure the driver was aware of your presence. I only did this once, making sure that the next time I would walk blocks out of my way so as to avoid having to navigate that death trap again.

97 justDanny  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:22:08pm

J.D.

I see a lot of marks on the high curbs and signs of people going off the road all up and down through there. Its a tricky bit there where the houses are so close to the road.

98 gunslingah  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:24:58pm

#93 justdanny:

Maybe we are a test market for an invasion.

My advice: stage a vigorous insurgency against this invasion. We declared independence from Britain 229 years ago. We shouldn't have their really terrible traffic-management ideas shoved down our throats now.

What's next? Driving on the left side of the road? Calling a "truck" a "lorry"? Calling the "trunk" a "boot" and the "hood" a "bonnet"?

Shudder

99 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:25:38pm

You people should have to drive through cattle and sheep drives on the highway... they still bring them through town.. at least we don't have a roundabout too... just large rocks and boulders that fall off the cliffs on you and ice on the roads in the winter, so some poor sods slide off the twisty turny roads and over the cliffs...

100 justDanny  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:26:54pm

#94 J.D.

Three wide lanes from S Broadway to Man O War has got to happen.

A ramp onto west bound Circle 4 (inner loop) and a ramp off of 4 east bound onto Clays Mill. Limited access? yes. But very helpful in relieving the bulge in the area.

101 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:27:00pm

#97 justdanny
Call the mayor. She'll take care of it!
LOL!

102 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:29:25pm

98 gunslingah

lol lol

What's next? Driving on the left side of the road? Calling a "truck" a "lorry"? Calling the "trunk" a "boot" and the "hood" a "bonnet"?

I drove a Mini-Cooper a couple of weeks ago.. then a Toureg.. and a Volvo XC90...

Here is what I learned: don't buy a German car... the Toureg is a lemon... the Mini-Cooper has horrible road noise, the Volvo was ok, but if you buy any of these autos, you have to have it serviced at the dealer... or the warranty is voided!?!?!?!?!? That includes oil changes...

103 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:30:03pm

Sorry... don' t buy a European car...

104 Kirly  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:31:27pm

regarding roundabouts...they installed not one but TWO on either side of the interstate on the road that is the exit to my little corner of the city. i was the biggest critic. i insisted that there would be a fender bender every day. i was completely wrong. they do get the traffic on and off the interstate quickly and efficiently as the traffic folks said they would but it is at the cost of the traffic moving along the other incoming road which quickly became a bottleneck.

when the roundabouts were completed but before the signage was installed, i saw a big construction/dump truck type of vehicle come barreling down the road and right up into the middle of the island in the center of the first circle he came to. i saw the driver sitting there looking from side to side. i thought he must be thinking "duh. what was that?"

105 justDanny  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:32:19pm

Ok well night ya'll. I cant believe its almost 1:30.

J.D. what are you still doing up? Go to bed girl. Night.

106 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:33:20pm

#100 justdanny
The developer offered that option at her expense, but the "Small Area Planning Group" didn't want it. The development has improved traffic flow in the area enormously. I used to have the figures, but they're filed away now. You can't widen a road around here without a major battle. The council has been known to close roads to maintain the "character" of the area. Never mind emergency vehicles. Image is everything.

107 gunslingah  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:33:32pm

#102 Amalie:

Personally, I wouldn't buy any European car. If, on the other hand, someone wanted to give me a brand new Ferrari Enzo... well... I probably wouldn't say no.

108 gunslingah  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:35:00pm

#103 Amalie:

Sorry... don' t buy a European car...

Guess great minds think alike...

109 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:36:04pm

107 gunslingah

Okay... I wonder what the insurance would be on the Ferrari? I have never driven one... have you?

110 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:36:08pm

Roundabouts save tax dollars because they don't require the signaling equipment and associated maintenance costs. They also keep traffic moving which cuts down on fuel consumption and pollution. They can also be designed to create focal points and enhance a city's beauty.

That said, they are a pain in the ass.

111 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:36:49pm

Amalie
Look at an Acura TSX.
Sweet.

112 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:39:49pm

111 JD

That is sweet! Acuras just purr... I want something with power I can feel, with awesome handling ... quiet, smooth.. fast...

is that too much to ask?

113 gunslingah  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:42:46pm

#109 Amalie:

I wonder what the insurance would be on the Ferrari? I have never driven one... have you?

No, I never have driven a Ferrari. (sigh) And I'm sure the insurance costs would exceed my monthly salary. Oh, well, it's a fantasy kind of thing.

I'm actually a motorcycle kind of guy. I like fast bikes. Basically, for well under $10,000, you can blow away any $250,000 Ferrari or Porsche. And the Europeans do make some pretty nice bikes, if a bit overpriced: Ducati, Triumph, BMW has a new sportbike that seems impressive.

Sorry, I tend to get going when I talk about bikes.

114 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:43:29pm

Amalie
Then look at the Acura RL.
Extra sweet. All wheel drive.
We've had 3 Acuras (love 'em). My car is a Lexus RX300 (ho-hum). It's great in the snow, but the transmission went out just as the warranty expired. Needless to say, the last Lexus I will buy...

115 RebTex  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:46:09pm

Amalie
I can tell you what it cost to insure a 15 year old in an exotic.
$375 a month
Basic liability.
PIP & UM

116 jwm  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:47:50pm

#62 Mardukhai #73 Solomonpanting:
We're seriously dating ourselves here. I remember that well: the three rock/pop stations were KRLA, KHJ, and KFWB. All on the AM dial. Ah, who rules: the Beatles or the Beach Boys? Let's don't get into the ten mile walks to school in the snow- uphill both ways. And yes, back then it did snow in Southern California. (But only on school days) ;)
JWM

117 rightasrain  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:48:34pm

Well, I've got to say that I feel very sorry for how Britain is reeling to discover that all four of their suicide bombers were British Nationals.

It's gotta hurt badly.

Best wishes to the Brits - I hope they do what needs to be done now.

118 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:48:51pm

113 gunslingah

I have never ridden on a motorcycle... this amazes me...

114 JD

Acuras are great cars... I used to drive a Legend... a long time ago.. I have had three Landcruisers... they have been good too.

119 jaybird  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:49:17pm

#87 Lightning_Man

Nice op-ed, and I agree. I have wondered the very same thing myself. Why stay in jail when the cat is supposedly out of the bag and the supposed source has released you? Using that same reasoning Rush Limbaugh has gone out on the limb to predict that Rove is most definitely not the source that Miller is protecting.

And, if it was Rove, the NY Times would've given him up in a New York nanosecond. In an election year when they were actively working to defeat Bush no less? Are you kidding me? They'd have had the afterburners on to get Rove's name in blinking neon lights in Times Square, accusing him of being a criminal! And the fact that they didn't right there all by itself standing alone screams that Rove didn't do it, at least not in any way like all the leftwing nutjobs are having wet dreams fantasizing that he did.

And another consideration is that Rove is just too smart to get caught in a trap like this, especially in playing footsy with the NYT.

But all that derives from common sense and deductive reasoning. The truth is that the situation is just too fluid to know anything for sure right now.

120 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:50:09pm

115 Rebtex

Reb... you got to get that kid an old pickup truck... put a speed regulator on it...

121 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:51:06pm

RebTex
They let 15-year-olds drive where?

122 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:51:38pm

116 jwm

Beach Boys...

123 RebTex  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:52:02pm

Amalie
He deserves the best I can offer.
.
.
J.D.
Texas
Under a hardship!

124 Victor  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:52:15pm

#112 Amalie  7/13/2005 10:39PM PDT

"I want something with power I can feel, with awesome handling ... quiet, smooth.. fast..."

Bubblemobile

125 jwm  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:52:49pm

#122 Amalie:
With Jan and Dean running a close second.
JWM

126 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:53:59pm
127 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:55:52pm

124 Victor

Wow...

Fabulous!

*How's Mother?

128 J.D.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:55:53pm

RebTex
15. Wow.

To bed!
G/night.

129 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:56:47pm

123 Reb

He's already got you as his Dad... that's pretty damn good!

130 RebTex  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:57:37pm

Amalie
That's sweet of you.
Thanks
However, sometimes, I'm a hinderance.

131 RebTex  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:58:51pm

Amalie
He's got himself a real chick-magnet car!

132 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 8:58:56pm

130 Rebtex

However, sometimes, I'm a hinderance.

That is your job as a parent. Someone has to say no.

133 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:00:36pm

131 Reb

That is some car...

134 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:05:43pm

Hey! This could be the source of future stories for our enjoyment. I found this site from this article.

135 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:05:53pm

Okay, I have officially killed yet another thread... with mundane posts...

Sincere apologies...

136 rightasrain  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:07:41pm

No, you didn't, Amalie!

There just aren't many people on LGF right now.

I'm heading to bed myself.

G'nite!

137 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:08:21pm

134 Solomon

Good Lord... we have been Zionized!

138 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:08:52pm

136 RAR

Night... RAR...

139 RebTex  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:09:03pm

Amalie
Perhaps it was me.
Adios, Burbuja!

140 Amalie  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:10:35pm

I thought I bought an Ionizer... but it's a Zionizer...

141 RebTex  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:13:11pm

Zee Ionizer?!

142 Ak oilfield worker  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:13:30pm

#134 solomonpanting

yes that is a good site. Charles added it to his right sidebar awhile ago, I think he even had a thread about it. it is good to see what the rest of the world says about us. Some of it is amazing!

143 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:20:54pm

#142 Ak oilfield worker

Well, don't I feel foolish. I guess one has to get up pretty early around here. :(

144 Mike C.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:22:26pm

Probably too late, but I'll chime in anyway. Traffic circles work great - under one condition. And that is that they be large diameter. There were a couple of whoppers years back in Doha and getting on or off one of those was like getting on or off a non-urban interstate in the US. But you're not going to see those in cities because of the space requirements. Some of the UK roundabouts have traffic signals also.

145 Mike C.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:32:56pm

Ah, one last traffic circle post killed the thread, eh ?

146 Dan Gummitt  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:34:23pm

#116 jwm
Stones. Period.

147 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:36:46pm

Looks like the Bushes knew even years ago what Islam was about.

148 Ak oilfield worker  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:39:13pm

I think it was dead before you got here Mike C. I take it you are still overseas?

149 Ak oilfield worker  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:44:24pm

#147 solomonpanting

Yep, Any bets on how long before the "Death Fatwa" aka Rushdie

150 Mike C.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:46:50pm

# 148 Ak oilfield worker

I leave on the 21st - 1 more week to go. For this trip, anyway.

151 Ak oilfield worker  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:50:16pm

#150 Mike C

Keep your head down, and just to be safe I wouldn't ride the trains.

152 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:50:42pm

#149 Ak oilfield worker

I'd like to see Rushdie outlive the Mullah's hold over Iran and their demise.

153 Ak oilfield worker  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:53:17pm

152 solomonpanting

That would be SWEEET. The sooner the Mad Mullahs go down the better.

154 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 9:58:09pm

Thanks to all for your thoughts and ideas. 'Nite all.

155 Mike C.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 10:04:32pm

# 151 Ak oilfield worker

Heh. My younger daughter e-mailed this AM to ask if I rode on trains. Hell, I wouldn't even ride on an inner city bus here. You'd have to be completely out of your mind to ride a train in this part of the world. The PRC was a different matter. Of course.

156 Ak oilfield worker  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 10:07:57pm

#155 Mike C

I can only imagine. Some peoples idea of normal is sure a lot different than ours. Stay safe, got to get back to work for awhile.

157 gonzo  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 10:22:08pm

#144 Mike C.

Isn't that called the "Beltway?"

158 hermes1LA  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 10:28:09pm

This is really funny and true . nice photo too

1. Quit Smoking By Drinking Beer


2. One In Three Americans, Divided By Ideology, Believes In Ghosts

Guess who believes in ghosts more - the liberals or the conservatives?

satire dot myblogsite.com/blog

159 gonzo  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 10:33:20pm

#158 Hermes1LA

The address is either incorrect or site is down.

By the way, does the nickname reference a Krewe?

160 Jay  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 10:44:34pm

Lets all have a moment of silence this evening for all those who have paid the ultimate price as a result of violence:

All those in the USA, all those in Iraq, all those in England, all those in Spain, and of course the forgotten many in Palestine.

Peace, patience, and the love of Jesus to you all.

161 gonzo  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 10:52:46pm

#160 Jay

Interesting how you conveniently left out Israel. Now one would have to hope it is simply an oversite on your part.

162 Evan from NZ  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 10:53:02pm

I guess what irked me most about the articles I linked above was the allegation that Zionism is not a "national liberation movement":

The web site of the Anti-Defamation League defines Zionism as:
[T]he Jewish national movement of rebirth and renewal in the land of Israel-the historical birthplace of the Jewish people. The yearning to return to Zion, the biblical term for both the Land of Israel and Jerusalem, has been the cornerstone of Jewish religious life since the Jewish exile from the land two thousand years ago... Zionism, the national aspiration of the Jewish people to a homeland, is to the Jewish people what the liberation movements of Africa and Asia have been to their peoples...a vindication of the fundamental concepts of the equality of nations and of self-determination. To question the Jewish people's right to national existence and freedom is...to deny to the Jewish people the right accorded to every other people on this globe.

We need to ask: What kind of national liberation movement allies itself in every case and at every moment in its history with the powers of world imperialism?What national liberation struggle built its very existence on the colonization of another people, on the obliteration of that people's history, their culture, and their land? The founding fathers of Zionism were much more honest about what they stood for. Over and over, one word appears in their writing: not national "liberation," but "colonization."

I guess one could say that the author does not consider Zionism a legit national liberation movement because it doesn't fit the Marxist stereotype of what such a movement should be i.e. "non-European" people vs. "European" interloper, "working class" vs. "bourgeois". Also, a "true" liberation movement can NEVER side with the big, bad US of A (and it's silly to think that the Brits were ever hand-in-glove with the Zionists, as the author implies)!
As for Zionism not being a national liberation movement because it "built its very existence on the colonization of another people, on the obliteration of that people's history, their culture, and their land" - this is, of course, the "Israeli Original Sin" of Palestinian propaganda. Never mind that Palestinian "history" and "culture" is almost indistinct from the Arabs of the neighbouring states, and that Zionism was intent on stealing "their land" (which largely belonged to absentee landlords) is patently false.
Anti-Zionists often allege that the Zionists' giving Hebrew names to cities and other landmarks (in fact a reversion to the orginal names) in the region is an example of Israel's "erasure" of the Palestinians' history. This is like arguing that Poland's acquisition of Eastern Germany after WWII and giving everything Polish names (eg. Gdansk for Danzig) is an evil "obliteration" of the German history in those lands. Like the Germans, the Arabs started the 1948 war, and therefore shouldn't be surprised if some of their land is taken and their people dispersed.

I don't even know why I bother...

163 zulubaby  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 10:55:31pm

Just popping in to say hi! Hope all is well with the LGF lovelies. I miss you all and will check in again soon.

xxx

164 gonzo  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 10:56:16pm

Intereting Q&A to Victor David Hansen, for those who enjoy such things.

And I think part of our attraction and dilemma is that the United States is the wealthiest, strongest country in the world. It’s plutocratic. It’s not based any more on race or accent or birth. If you have money, you get instant prestige. It destroys all hierarchy over the world, and so it creates this appetite for this freedom. People want it — the culture — nobody puts a gun to a Frenchman and says, go watch Arnold Schwarzenegger, or go to McDonald’s or go to Disneyland. This was a free choice because this multi-racial dynamic society has one barometer of success, and that’s money. And anybody can participate in it, and it tends to destroy class, privilege, hierarchy, religious, political, and it makes people scared to death, even though they want to participate in it.

Link

165 Pamela  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 11:09:34pm

that almost reminds me of Zuma Beach near Malibu.

a good thought to think about before sleep, my carefree days driving to Zuma Beach, and having nothing to worry about, except my curfew.

166 Mike C.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 11:12:05pm

# 163 zulubaby

Hey ! And just where do you think you're going, young lady ? No fair doing 'hit-and-run' postings. Stand still and give us a decent shot.

167 zulubaby  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 11:17:38pm

Hiya Mike C.! I'm getting antsy. LOL. I'm at an internet cafe and can't stand being here for very long. I do think of you all very often and will try to visit more frequently. Okay, I'm out ... lots of love.

168 gonzo  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 11:23:21pm

Can you imagine the UN "running" the internet? They can:

Beyond the usual levers of diplomatic pressure and public kvetching, Brazil and China could choose what amounts to the nuclear option: a fragmented root. That means a new top-level domain would not be approved by ICANN--but would be recognized and used by large portions of the rest of the world. The downside, of course, is that the nuclear option could create a Balkanized Internet where two computers find different Web sites at the same address.


Check out the comments too- it is, of course, Bush's fault:

The Bush administration spent the last 4 years cutting ties between the USA and all other major countries. It's no surprise his arrogant position once again makes all other countries uncomfortable with the idea of letting the US government regulate or cut off even their national TLD if it choose to do so for political reasons.

Too much of the world's economy depends on the internet to let a single country decide it all and become a global censor.

On the issue of spam, and at a time where Europeans and Australia are taking some legal steps, Bush's double meaning CAN-SPAM act is all about legalizing it to please his DMA campaign contributors. Why should the world accept it ?

Will the UN Run the Internet?

169 Mike C.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 11:28:06pm

# 168 gonzo

Given the UN's record on running things, it may be time to stock up on tin cans and string.

170 gonzo  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 11:33:48pm

Mike C.

Alot of the commentors there say the same thing.

How are things over there? You gotta be getting close to a return date, huh?

171 foreign devil  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 11:42:26pm

#167 zulubaby:

Bye! Sorry I missed you. Where are you anyway [probably gone now].

172 Powderfinger  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 11:44:12pm

zulubaby, darling! I assume you're enjoying yourself? Wonderful to see you.

173 superhawk  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 11:48:52pm

Is Rove the victim of factionalism at the CIA?

THE CIA VS THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE POLITICS OF WAR

174 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 11:49:22pm

The GOP is going to get blasted tomorrow, 'Doomed, I tell ya! They're doomed! ...about to implode!'

...but there's one trait that stands-out most about the Dem's, their reactionaries; if there's been a fire, it often times turns-out that their own members are playing with matches.

175 Mike C.  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 11:54:06pm

# 170 gonzo

I leave on the 21st. Heeheehee.

176 kifaya  Wed, Jul 13, 2005 11:55:16pm

aboo-Hoo-Hoo, grreat nick!

177 Dan Gummitt  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 12:07:49am

Rove isn't going anywhere. Bush is too loyal to his subordinates, witness his loyalty to Rumsfeld during his tough times.
Loyalty to subordinates is a trait the Washington political junkies can't understand, but a trait much valued by those of us in the real world.
It's an aspect of leadership most politicians lack.

178 gonzo  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 12:10:33am

#175 Mike C

I can only imagine the need to scratch that itch! I hope your job/ consult/ gig/ whatever has the desired outcome and proves itself profitable.

My brother is a manager/engineer with one of the big oil outfits (Dutch owned, wink, wink) in N.O. I lament not following his lead when we discuss finances- it has been a good ride for him and his family. He really likes the company- despite mucho pc BS. He says he doesn't get to do much engineering anymore- he is up the food chain at this point.

179 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 12:13:07am

Norm Geras - Apologists Amongst Us

Try the following, by way of a hypothetical example, to see how the exercise works and doesn't work.

On account of the present situation in Zimbabwe, the government decides to halt all scheduled deportations of Zimbabweans who have been denied the right to remain in the UK. Some BNP thugs are made angry by this decision and they take out their anger by beating up a passer-by who happens to be an African immigrant. Can you imagine a single person of left or liberal outlook who would blame, or even partially blame, this act of violence on the government's decision to halt the deportations, or who would urge us to consider sympathetically the root causes of the act? It wouldn't happen, even though (ex hypothesi) the government decision is part of the causal chain leading to the violence in question. It wouldn't happen because the anger of the thugs doesn't begin to justify what they have done.

The root-causers always plead a desire merely to expand our understanding, but they're very selective in what they want us to 'understand'. Did you ever hear a Jenny Tonge who empathizes with the Palestinian suicide bomber also understanding the worries of Israeli and other Jews - after the Holocaust, after the decades-long hostility of the Arab world to the State of Israel and the teaching of hatred there against Jews, after the acts of war against that state and the acts of terrorism against its citizens? This would seem to constitute a potentially rich soil of roots and causes, but it goes unexplored by the supposedly non-excuse-making purveyors of a root-causism seeking to 'understand'.

180 rednaxela  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 12:18:59am

Doh!

[Link: www.samizdata.net...]

181 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 12:24:16am

# 178 gonzo

I am not so high on the food chain, having been hit several times by the massive cutbacks and layoffs. But now, there are only us old farts to do this technical stuff. Young people saw hundreds of thousands tossed out in the street and decided to do something else, like get a JD or MBA. As a result, you can now listen to every manager and executive in the business bemoan the fact that they can't get help. Of course, they can get help, but us old guys are not any HR person's favorite choice. Self-inflicted wounds.

182 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 12:28:02am

176 kifaya

Thanks. Named for the, hopefully more, reoccurring incidents of mooselum work accidents.

Karl Rove(Blessed, long lasting and all powerful be his strategies). ;-)

183 gonzo  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 12:36:14am

#181 Mike C

It's funny to listen to my brother talk about it.

For awhile there he did (and I guess still does) recruiting trips, etc. Here he is recruiting fresh meat and at the same time the company is letting go all kinds of people. The really strange thing to me, though, is that they evidently offer pretty large severance deals as they slash and burn, so in effect they're still carrying alot of payroll.

I can't imagine the savings are that great through the layoffs- hell, they have one every year it seems. But, like I said, they did (and do) take good care of him. He is hoping for one more promotion,which, as I understand it, which would place him in the sphere of the grand pobah for the Americas, or some such. More power to him- he's a lifer with these guys.

184 gonzo  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 12:46:54am

The Department of Homeland security has only been with us for about two years, and we're already looking to streamline it.
This brings to mind Parkinson's Fourth Law:

The number of people in any working group tends to increase regardless of the amount of work to be done

At least they're talking about the borders:

US Security Changes Aimed at Borders, Intelligence

185 Egfrow  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 12:54:49am

Here is a quote from Belmont Club about creating a Cells inside radical Islam. I thought it to be very interesting. A pratice we should also use againts the Extreme Left inside the USA.
Bellmont Club


ogically, a large part of the War on Terror will consist of creating an insurgency within the insurgency. Fighting Islamic extremism must comprise organizing a revolt against Islam's internal oppressors. That would include waging intellectual war against Islamic fundamentalism within its own theological context -- a reformation -- it will include creating clandestine cells to strike at the gangs which beat women and intimidate men within the community. It will require all the skills of a resistance fighter struggling against bearded Big Brother. The Left has a word for such people: "Uncle Toms". That is how they've already characterized Hirsi Ali. That is to be expected. But many conservatives have also been blind to the urgent requirement of creating a liberation movement within Islam, in part because they half believe all Muslims are themselves the enemy; in part because they despair of Muslims ever rising up against the medieval institutions which constrain them; in part because they haven't thought about it. But they should. That pile of bloody children's slippers on an Iraqi street is a tally of spirits who were created to be free.
186 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 1:04:54am

Iran's new dark side - ‘… the clerical regime hanged six people and sentenced another to death in the past week alone.’

Such a wonderful, liberal and progressive state. Maybe the Fwrench could even help them build some nukes.

187 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 1:21:07am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!

Anybody see Smit today?

188 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 1:35:44am

I hate mornings. My fever is back up, just in time for an exam this morning.

/so very grateful for LGF so the kiddo doesn't have to listen to me whine :-)

189 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 1:38:47am

[How does one wish someone a good morning without saying "good"?]

Hi Sarah D. I'm very sorry to hear you're sick! Can you take anything for the fever? My drug-of-preference is Advil, if I don't have an antibiotic.

190 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 1:41:43am

littleoldlady,

I took some Tylenol as the aspirin was starting to bother my stomach. I should have taken some last night, but I wanted to see if my fever would stay down on its own.

Now let's see if I can concentrate on this danged exam! Ugh.

(and thanks!)

191 Pamela  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 1:49:47am

Good Morning Sara D.

Try having seom ginger ale, it'll help settle your stoamch. I hope you feel better soon.

192 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 1:50:46am

Hey Pamela!

Good idea, I'll get some Ginger Ale on the way to class.

I'm off folks, have a good morning!

193 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 1:50:50am

Tylenol does borscht for me. Might as well take nothing.

What class is the exam for?

194 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:01:43am

Biscuits are ready with cajun sausage gravy and black coffee. ;-)

/Good Morning Everyone!

195 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:02:54am

Even for a dead thread, this is exceptionally dead.

(Where's my biscuits?!)

196 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:04:12am

'Nam Grunt

You read my mind! (Or heard my stomach growling...) Good morning!

197 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:05:22am

#196 littleoldlady,

Good morning how are you today?

198 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:09:18am

'Nam

I'm okay. Hazy, hot and humid here in suburban Philadelphia. So far, I've got the hazy part down... ;-)

And you?

199 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:11:32am

#198 littleoldlady,

Same here, I'm hoping we get some rain today. ;-)

200 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:15:28am

OK
Everyone over to 'Nam's for breakfast.

After that

Breaks over, everyone back on your heads.

201 superhawk  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:16:50am

Whose side is Pakistani President Musharraf on?

PAKISTAN: WITH US OR AGAINST US?

202 # 17  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:18:24am

# 201 Superhawk

Is Pakistan an Islamic state ?

203 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:25:27am

¡EXTREME SOUTH TEXAS (SOUTH OF CORPUS CHRISTI) NOT 100% SAFE, BUT HURRICANE EMILY APPEARS AIMED AT TAMAULIPAS!


Canadian Global, not linked, says Emily is a depression, heads into Yucatan, and dies. I suspect initialization issues.

UK Met Office Model says landfall near/just north of Brownsville.
UK Met text guidance



12UTC 19.07.2005 26.2N 94.5W STRONG INTENSIFYING SLIGHTLY

00UTC 20.07.2005 26.5N 96.6W STRONG INTENSIFYING SLIGHTLY

The UK Met seems to be slightly biased north, but can't be completely ignored.

GFS appears to be a little weak on the strength of Emily, and then shows it barely surviving the Yucatan, but then again per the GFS is was only a tropical depression. Landfall south of Tampico. Stronger systems in the tropics will tend to drift just slightly poleward of the mean steering, due to the slight difference in wind speeds caused by the Coriolis force being just a hair stronger in the side away from the Equator, so if the GFS is right about everything but the intensity, it would be a degree or two too far south.

GFDL shows a former Cat 4 just a borderline Cat 2 to Cat 3 in the Gulf as Emily heads just north of due west towards landfall just south of the border.

Nightime color enhanced infra-red satellite loop of borderline Cat 1-Cat 2 Hurricane Emily.

204 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:35:57am

# 201 superhawk

His own

# 202 # 17

Depends on what you mean by "Islamic state."

205 sandspur  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:39:13am

from Florida Cracker


July 13, 2005
Hollywood Mafia

I hope none of y'all own desirable property in the city of Hollywood. Their commission is eminent domaining to benefit a developer for the second time this month and they plan to keep on doing it:

When Commissioner Cathy Anderson asked what the public purpose was, City Attorney Dan Abbott did not hesitate.

"Economic development," he said, "which is a legitimate public purpose according to the United States Supreme Court."

The vote was unanimous. The city commission is getting very comfortable with making people offers they can't refuse.

Supreme Court Justices voting for the abuse of the Constitution which permits this outrageous land grab were: John Paul Stevens, Anthony Kennedy, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer

206 # 17  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:43:54am

According to the Government of Pakistan, their constitution is

"The Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan"

LGFers seem to be a little more knowlegeable about the beliefs inherent in Islam than most Westerners.

It appears that if one is a believer in Islam, that precludes genuine efforts to prevent terrorism against Kufurs.

207 Dom  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:46:13am

I found this interesting, because the headline doesn't read 'Muslim Killed in Possible Backlash Against London Bombings' but 'First Muslim Killed in Feared Backlash Against London Bombings'. Quite an unhealthy angle.

208 Anne Elk (not AN elk)  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:49:36am

If you like (or dislike) traffic circles/roundabouts/rotaries then look at this:

The Swindon Magic Roundabout

209 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 2:59:55am

Wooo... Bush book incites controversy

…a 19th century biography of Prophet Mohamed authored by Reverend George Bush, a distant ancestor of US President George W Bush. Life of Mohamed: The Founder of Islam and of the Empire of Saracens has provoked a storm of controversy for its harsh criticism of Prophet Mohamed, whom it calls "an imposter". The book also occasionally refers to Muslims as "locusts".

Unfortunately the book evidently didn’t go far enough in exposing this Devil & its Cult of Death™

Censors at the Al-Azhar-affiliated Islamic Research Academy… concluded that the contested volume is "a piece of documentation which portrays a lively picture of Prophet Mohamed's life", and "praises the prophet in almost 80 per cent of its content."

Damn the bad luck… …no wait!

Bush Lied! Mohamed should be fried!

...in pig grease….

210 Owl  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:03:25am

Dems move to right...try to look legit...Hillary supports troops...world stops spinning...no wait...nevermind...it's just another democratic PLOY.

Story -
Dems aim to increase army size

A team of Senate and House Democrats today are planning to introduce legislation today aimed at significantly increasing size of the U.S. Army.

Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.), ranking member of the Senate Armed Services (SASC) airland subcommittee, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), a SASC member, and Reps. Ellen Tauscher (D-Calif.) and Mark Udall (D-Colo.), both members of the House Armed Services committee, are pressing for the passage of the United States Army Relief Act.

The legislation seeks to raise the cap of the Army’s end strength, said an aide to Tauscher.

The Army already is working on increasing its troop levels by 30,000. Army chief of staff, Gen. Peter Schoomaker, has said on numerous occasions that it costs about $1.2 billion a year for every 10,000 people added to the Army.

Both the House and the Senate have called for an increase in troop levels in their 2006 defense authorization bill and it is likely that troop levels will be increased when the conferees meet.

Roxana Tiron

Right, and I'm acutally going to go to the movies and watch the remake of " Dukes of Hazzard ". NOT.

211 Owl  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:05:45am

Oh, and MORNIN' LIZARD NATION! :)

212 Beagle  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:14:38am

#210 Owl

$1.2 billion a year for every 10,000 people added to the Army.


Why not make it an even 100,000 more troops? The Democrats will happily appropriate the money. The very wealthy Dems, everyone in power, will keep their base happy by supporting groups which fight military recruiters.

213 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:15:30am

Owl

She somehow forget to mention that Hillary will demand the draft be reinstated.

By President Bush...

Now that wouldn't surprise me.

214 bianchi_roadie  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:17:00am

#208

Wow, that's quite a roundabout. Sadly, they are getting very popular here in Maryland, only they don't know how to do them right: They have 4 lane roads going into very tight circles. As a result, it's a demolition derby as no SUV can turn that tight.

215 TMF  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:17:05am

Mutha F'in ED KOCH gets it.

Buy that man a corned beef special!

216 Smit  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:18:27am

Morning all.

IMHO Prince Charles should learn to keep his trap shut, but this isn't news.

"Some may think this cause is Islam. It is anything but...

"We seem to be seeing a cycle, from Bali to Baghdad, from New York to London, of willing recruits sacrificing their young lives to slaughter innocent people in some inhuman cause."

Root out extremists, prince urges

217 Smit  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:22:51am

This made me laugh:

A group of French speakers in Japan are suing the governor of Tokyo after he described French as a failed language.
Numbers in French can be complicated for beginners, especially combinations which make up numbers such as 94, which translates as "four 20s and 14".

Remind me never to learn French.

French outraged by Tokyo governor

218 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:22:54am

So where's Mike C. when you need him?

Temporary drop in chinese oil demand

Mike...
Any insight into what this means?

219 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:24:32am

Ugh...

A Saudi prince, Alwaleed bin Talal, who co-owns the ART TV network which includes the anti-American, anti-Semitic, pro-Jihad Arabic TV channel Iqra, has recently given millions to American groups, including $5 million to the Carter Center.

A Saudi's Millions in Gifts Vunderbar!{spit}

220 Beagle  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:26:54am

#217 Smit

A group of French speakers in Japan are suing the governor of Tokyo after he described French as a failed language.


Are the Japanese trying to start WWIII? There are some things I won't say to the French.

221 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:30:02am

Hey kids, this is the Arabic Assasin

He is mad, because he was fired from his job as a TSA screener at Bush Intercontinental just because he is a Muslim that raps about hijacking airplanes.

Now, I doubt this guy is actually a terrorist, because he is useless if he announces his goals like he does, but if a Muslim Arab-American named Bassam Khalaf can get a job as an airport screener, anybody can, and if hijackers new what station this guy was x-raying bags at, well, it could mean more than just mace and box-cutters get on the plane.

222 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:30:15am

# 217 smit

Heh.

# 218 VIA

I saw that headline on Drudge earlier, but have to admit I haven't read it, so I really don't know what the deal is. Let it age a bit and we'll see. Hard to believe their consumption is dropping, since their factories sure ain't shutting down.

223 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:31:01am

knew, not new


¡PIMP!

224 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:33:14am

Mike C.

Got it.
I trust your background and insight.
Let us know when you have some thoughts on it.

Now go get some supper, and a new laptop battery
(Yours usually dies right about this time)

225 tigger2005  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:35:41am

I was just wondering, has Juan Cole said the invasion of Afghanistan caused the 9/11 attacks yet?

226 Beagle  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:36:00am

Hitch in the Weekly Standard from FrontPage

First out of the trap was George Galloway, the renegade Member of Parliament who has been Saddam Hussein's chief propagandist in Britain. Within hours of the atrocities, he had diagnosed their cause, or causes. These included the presence of British troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, the photographs from Abu Ghraib, and the state of affairs at Guantanamo. This can only mean that Galloway knows what was in the minds of the bombers, and knows that it was these subjects (and not, say, the Wahhabi hatred of unveiled women, or their fury at the liberation of East Timor) that had actually motivated the attacks. If he really knows that much about the killers, he should be asked to make a full disclosure of his sources to Scotland Yard. If he doesn't know, he should at least have waited until the blood was dry before opening his ugly mouth. Scant chance of the latter.

Galloway is an open supporter of the other side in this war, and at least doesn't try very hard to conceal the fact. Far more depressing are the insincere and inauthentic statements made by more "mainstream" types. The mayor of London, Ken Livingstone--another Blair-hater and another flirter with any local Imam who can bring him a few quick votes--managed to say that the murders were directed at "the working class," not the "powerful." That's true enough, but it doesn't avoid the implication that a jihadist bomb in, say, the Stock Exchange would have been less reprehensible. Another dismal statement, issued by the Muslim Council of Britain in concert with something called "Churches Together in Britain and Ireland," got as far as proclaiming that "no good purpose can be achieved by such an indiscriminate and cruel use of terror." This is to say too much and too little. It still hints that the purpose might be ill-served by the means. Further, it fails as an ecumenical statement in that it was evidently not submitted to Britain's large Jewish community for ratification. Why do I think that there were some in both the Muslim and Christian leaderships who thought that, in their proud "inclusiveness," they didn't need to go quite that far?

On the other hand, I must say that the leadership of "Imaan," a "social support group for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Muslims," managed to issue a condemnation that was not shaded or angled in any way, and consisted of a simple, unequivocal denunciation and a statement of solidarity with the victims. That's the stuff. At last, the Churchill touch!

227 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:38:08am

222 Unkle Mikey

HeyHey! I'm with you. China is going through what is now considered it's version of the industrial revolution, with no signs of letting up. They are scoopin' up raw materials from all over the world, so I don't know if I believe this drop in oil consumption. Sounds like errant data to me.

228 peggie  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:41:07am

hillary looking for an increase in the number of military - remember the two for one deal we got when bill was pres. wasn't it in the book by buzz patterson [reckless disregard] that we were exposed to the dynamic duos true feelings towards the military. balancing the budget on the back of the military. and speaking of politicos, i've heard for a second time about the latest zman's recording of encouragement to his minions. telling them to take heart because they're winning the war. he's finding comfort in the ramblings of our own legislatures. i heard mention of this by rush and then yesturday during an interview with the author of "inside the assylum". i don't think that the dems rearranging of the deck chairs on the titanic will be of help.

229 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:41:13am

SMIT! I was looking for you earlier. I got distracted the other day with...um...'Nam's pictures (;-)...but I understand that you've finished your genealogical research, yes? I wanted to be the first (am I?) to welcome you to The Tribe.

Now, we must find a job for you. Mine is soy futures this month. How does the International Monetary Fund sound? (It's not too difficult - that was my assignment this past March.)

Always nice to have another helping hand to Run the World! Welcome!

230 Beagle  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:42:08am

#203 Ed

I'm taking that as a confirmed hit on Texas wreaking rainy and windy divine havoc over all the sinners who live there.

#221 Ed

How's that assimilation going? All it takes is one PC hire at an airport, as you said.

231 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:45:59am

Oops - getting late. Time to relocate, so back in a while.

232 2X4 wielder  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:46:48am

I've been researching some of the Wilson/Rove stuff and have discovered that everytime I get freaked out about some aspect leading to an obvious Rove conviction, that if I delve into the leftist theories I am less concerned. I went back and watched some of the Wilson video from CSPAN and found some intersting info. According to Wilson, straight from Wislon's mouth, the Niger mission he went on was not a CIA mission. It was a mission asked for (but not explicitly) by the office of the Vice President. According to Wilson, some staffer of Cheney asked a question about Niger which automagically put into effect an inquirey into the matter. The meetng he attended was at the CIA headquarters but was a meeting of the intel community, and not just the CIA. Which means that if Plame was outed as a source of the suggestion to have Wilson go to Niger, it does not mean that she was CIA. She could have been a brazilian coochy dancer for all Rove new when he said she recommended Wilson for the task.

233 Smit  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:47:33am

#229 littleoldlady - Hiya & thankyou! - It seems the more research I do, the more Jewish I become... Currently discovered that my g*4 Grandfather was a jeweller born in Paris!

The IMF sounds good to me, as long as I can do a bit of credit card debt reduction...

234 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:48:20am
235 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:50:26am

Actually, I'm thinking Tampico gets it, but maybe, just maybe, borderline tropical storm conditions affect South Padre Island.


Welcome to South Padre Island, the Tropics of Texas. Along with a beautiful beach, excellent accommodations, good restaurants and friendly people, South Padre Island is only a few miles away from Mexico. Come south and enjoy this unbeatable combination.


Kind of scary that TSA hires Arab Muslims as screeners. That is like making Michael Jackson the head of Child Protective Services. That is like electing Charles Manson as sheriff.

236 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:50:27am

Ann coulter zings Joes Wilson out of his lying pants.

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

237 TMF  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:52:17am

#232 2X4

The key to the whole thing is Wilson's Editorial.

In it, he CLEARLY implies, by dropping Cheney's name multiple times, that the trip was arranged, authorized and requested by Cheney himself, and Tenet.

He was slick enough not to explicitly state so, but he was obviously trying to create this impression, to add credence to his "story".

He makes no reference in the ENTIRE editorial to his wife.

THat is the context for the Rove/Cooper conversation.

Anything else is spin, spin, spin.

238 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:53:21am

Good Morning Fellow Minions!

239 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:53:24am

I wonder if the Federal Government can legally deny employment in sensitive jobs to Muslims.


I'd bet money that Bassam Khalaf, aka "The Arabic Assassin", really enjoyed making nuns and 80 year old Chinese grandmothers go through strip searches at the airport.

240 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:53:29am

#233 Smit

The IMF sounds good to me, as long as I can do a bit of credit card debt reduction...

Vuh den? (Now we get to teach you Yiddish, too. FUN! ;-) Of course we'd want any work you do to be personally beneficial!

241 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:56:26am

{lil ol'lady, lops, AI}

group hug

242 nonic  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:57:08am

So you guys were talking about trafic circles last night. Sorry I missed it.

'Cause I'm amazed to hear that they're being built in new places.

In NJ they built lots of them in the 50's. They proved incredibly dangerous and everybody hated them. In the 70's and 80's they were nearly all replaced with "jug handles." MUCH better and safer.

I think there's just one circle left in Somerville, and there are plans to get rid of that.

243 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:57:50am

Good morning {paxnhymn}!

244 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 3:58:44am
245 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:00:00am
246 Isadore  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:02:21am

IDF soldiers kill militant as he meets with British national

By Haaretz Staff and The Associated Press

NABLUS, West Bank - Israel Defense Forces soldiers killed a Palestinian militant early Thursday as he was meeting a British national in the West Bank city of Nablus, witnesses said.

They said soldiers broke into a house where Mohammed Alasi, 28, a local leader of the Islamic Jihad, was talking to the woman. Alasi tried to flee, but soldiers shot him dead and took his body, they said.


According to news agencies the woman was a reporter living in Nablus, but the IDF Spokesperson said she is a left-wing activist who has been assisting wanted militants in the town. Alasi was hiding at the woman's apartment with another militant, Matzem Aal, who was arrested by the troops.

247 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:02:34am

RE: Rove/Plame:

"Despite the colloquialism being used on TV to describe the relevant criminal offense, the law does not criminalize "revealing the name" of a covert operative. If it did, every introduction of an operative at a cocktail party or a neighborhood picnic would constitute a felony. "Revealing the name of" is shorthand to describe what the law does criminalize: Intentionally revealing a covert operative as a covert operative, knowing it will blow the operative's cover.

Rove had simply said Wilson went to Niger because of his wife, not his skill, expertise or common sense. It was the clown himself who outed his wife as an alleged "covert" agent by saying he was not recommended by his wife, and thus the White House must have been retaliating against him by mentioning his wife.

Wilson intentionally blew his wife's "cover" in order to lie about how he ended up going to Niger. Far from a serious fact-finding mission, it was a "Take Your Daughters to Work Day" gone bad. Maybe liberals shouldn't have been so insistent about that special prosecutor."
--Coulter.

248 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:02:36am

242 nonic

I think there's just one circle left in Somerville, and there are plans to get rid of that

Somerville, MA?

I live in MA and there are rotaries everywhere!

I drive through one at least twice a day to and from work.

249 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:03:20am

Good Morning {Pax}!

250 Kirly  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:03:55am

#242 nonic

What are "jug handles"?

251 TMF  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:04:07am

A. Infidel:

WTF? From the story:

Toensing believes Rove's waiver allowing reporters testifying before the grand jury to reveal him as a source – signed more than 18 months ago – shows the Bush strategist did not believe he was violating the law.

I didn't know he gave Cooper permission to reveal him as a source 18 months ago!

And the left is acting like he's been concealing this stuff? What a fing joke!

18 MONTHS AGO!

252 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:05:50am

Someone has leaked the source of LLL superior intelligence

Someone said last night that Rove plays political 3-D chess.
Now the LLL's can fight back

"It also improves your planning when you're doing complex, chess-like problems. It makes you more reflective about a problem: you take a bit longer but you get it right

I'm not sure if they have it already, or need it to get past the election.

In the long term, drugs that can delete painful memories could also be used routinely. "We are now looking 20-25 years ahead," said Prof Robbins. "Very basic science is showing that it is possible to call up a memory, knock it on the head and produce selective amnesia."


Oh, never mind.
They definitely have it already.

"Many of these drugs hijack the learning processes of the brain and produce aberrant habits, which dominate behavior.
253 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:07:02am

#208 Anne Elk: Are you familiar with the Tuesday Next books by Jasper Fforde? The Swindon Roundabout features prominently in them.

254 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:07:18am

247 Free Speech

The whole thing still doesn't address the question.."What the hell is a COVERT analyst?" Wassupwidat?! An undercover desk jockey?!? Gimmee a break! Why hasn't anyone addressed this issue?

255 Kirly  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:07:23am

#251 tmf

i heard on the radio yesterday (might have been Rush) that Rove's release didn't name Cooper at all. It was a general release for all reporters that he had spoken to (i think) on this particular topic or at that particular time.

256 Ilan Toren  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:09:29am

Caroline Glick hits the nail on the head
Our World: Scorched Earth Kulturekampf

I think that Glick has zeroed in on exactly why this plan has gotten such enthusiastic support from people normally hostile to Sharon. It certainly explains the way the public debate has been managed. The supporters of this plan have deliberately avoiding the issues of efficacy of the withdrawal and instead focused on the delegitimization of the religious public.

257 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:09:36am
258 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:09:37am

Just spilled a LARGE iced coffee.

AAARGGGHHH!

Of course I have to buy a new one because I'll be a b*tch on wheels if I don't have my fix.

Back in two shakes...

259 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:12:07am
260 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:13:23am

Does anyone ever notice that when the moonbats come up with an accusation to smear GWB and they all froth at the mouth to make it true, it always turns out to be a non story, This proves just how stupid they are, and it's quite comical to watch them trip over themselves. Idiots!

261 2X4 wielder  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:14:25am

#237 TMF -- I got my best info from a CSPAN video of Wilson supposedly discussing the press and the the WMD question. Needless to say Wilson was not only not on topic but he was basically in attack mode, and the press panel was in support mode. I highly recommend the video. Go to CSPAN, and in the Video Search box type "Joseph Wilson". The cideo in question was a media panel on the question of WMD.

In the video Wilson claims that the reason Plame was outed was to throw fear into the hearts of other possible leakers. He insinuates but jokingly that Kelly, the UK WMD expert was killed over the issue of WMD.

He goes to great efforts to stress that his wife was no present at the meeting.

262 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:15:14am

#254 pax

Exactly. The whole thing is MSM NYTimes woven half-truths in order slander Bush and Rove. Joe Wislon is the liar.

263 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:17:06am
264 westbankmama  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:17:16am

Ilan - I read this article and I agree with it 100%. It helps also to know that there are people in the secular world who see what is really going on.

I get a lot of encouragement from looking at the people in cars with orange ribbons - at least half are not religious (snap judgement, I know - but a man without a kippa and a woman dressed in a certain way tells you something in this country).

Are you coming on the "march" next week?

265 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:18:33am

Well, well. Some Euros may have stones after all: Germany to begin greater surveillance of resident Muslims.

By what we have seen from the American left already, this profiling would have to be "racism" on the part of the Socialist-run (in Gerhard Schroeder and the SPD), multicultural society of Germany.

266 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:18:49am

259 AI


I don't know if it had much to do with the Archdiocese covering up for the gay priests that liked 14 year olds (not much different from Massachusetts congressman Jerry Studds, (of course, a Democrat) who seduced a 14 year old boy working as a page), but I do suspect the Kennedy family's large donations might have had something to do with how a serial adulterer like Kennedy could get his first marriage annulled so he could re-marry in the church, and how he avoided criticism as a major supporter of abortion, which is against all Catholic teachings.


BTW, nothing happened to Studds. Whether it was because he was a Democrat, or gay, I don't know, but I suspect if Tom DeLay nailed a 14 year old intern he'd be run out of DC on a rail. Barney Frank allowed his boyfriend to run a gay call-boy ring from his home. Do you think any Republican could have gotten away with that?

267 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:20:01am

Yet more evidence (as if any more was needed) that poverty and desperation is not the "root cause" of terrorism:

al-Guardian - Killers are motivated by quest for glory, experts say

'The suicide bomber is the smartest of smart bombs'

In the West Bank and Gaza, portraits of dead suicide bombers and graffiti extolling their deeds are plastered all over walls. Videos of their last interviews are on sale on street stalls. Their funerals are occasions for mass mourning.

That celebrity factor helps in the recruitment of suicide bombers, young men and women brought up in the occupied territories.

Anne Marie Oliver, an American academic who has spent years studying the phenomenon in the West Bank and Gaza, believes the "star factor" and the acquiring of glory could also have motivated the Yorkshire bombers. They will not have posters up in Britain or mass mourning, but they will attain glory on internet sites across the Muslim world, according to Ms Oliver, who has co-written with Paul Steinberg the newly published The Road to Martyrs' Square: A Journey into the World of the Suicide Bomber.

(...)

Ms Oliver said: "The motives are diverse: religion, nationalism, grievance, fame, glory and money, and, last of all and most important of all, they have to have an entire system that supports their actions (sympathetic groups round the world)."

(...)

For organisations, whether Hamas or al-Qaida, the motivation was the same: the suicide bomber is the most effective weapon available. "The suicide bomber is the smartest of smart bombs. He can look around and decide when he can maximise the terror, maximise the casualties," Dr Ganor said.

Even if he is caught, he or she can detonate the explosives, killing those trying to intervene.

The figures bear out Dr Ganor's assessment. According to Israel, it has faced 160 suicide bombers in the last five years: they account for only 0.6% of the attacks but half the Israeli casualties - 514.

Most of the bombers tend to be young, well-educated, and from lower middle-class backgrounds rather than those fighting for daily survival. An Israeli government study found that 23% of suicide bombers between 2000 and this year had been university graduates.

Marie Oliver makes some moonbat comments but overall not bad considering the article is in al-Jazeera's English equivalent.

268 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:20:56am
269 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:24:31am
270 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:24:56am

Morning all *grin*

this is rich:

MSN has Ecards on their site, with a holiday associated with each. Here is the month of July. Look at what July 4th is, and note what that implies about America.

And, under the Stupidity File:

Bank Robbed through teller Window.

271 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:27:19am

#268 American Infidel

Thanks. I read that Byron York article the other day (believe it or not, Drudge had it posted at the top of his front page)

Good questions. My 2 cents? While Judith sits in jail - it buys time for the DNC/MSM to play "quick - think of a lie to cover the precious Wilson so that we can continue to blast Bush and CO cuz that is the responsible left-wing - er I mean - moderate thing to do as a competent biased journalist".

In other words: CYA time for the MSM to get her story straight.

272 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:30:50am
273 2X4 wielder  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:31:33am

Im still in anticipation of what Novak called a surprise in the case. We still don't know who is being investigated. Novak seems to have dodged the bullet and yet at the same time has vindicated Rove. While people who have not reason to protect Rove are going to jail. Something tells me that the truth is something completely different. And I bet the left will not like it.

274 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:32:12am

Looks like Joe Wilson is going to go toss soft-balls with the fine DNC "journalists" on the Today show. I'm sure Katie Couric will flash her cute smile and ask tough questions.

/NOT!


[Link: volokh.com...]

(from instapundit)

275 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:33:04am

Say... has anyone heard from W-lover lately?

276 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:34:46am

#267 Spiritualized

Yet more evidence (as if any more was needed) that poverty and desperation is not the "root cause" of terrorism:

Ah, alas, the left is not saying it's poverty that is the root cause of terror any more, but something entirely new - and more convincing!

According to Guido Steinberg, Islam scholar and terrorism expert for the German government, "blocked upward mobility" is the additional ingredient necessary in the creation of a terrorist. It's the feeling, he said at a podium discussion in Berlin two weeks ago, that one can't get to where one would like to be in this life.

Class warfare. Ah, that must be the solution: Western imperialism and oppression of these middle class Muslims in Europe itself do not allow Muslims to attain their career goals: that's why they are terrorists... nothing at all to do with religion. Nothing... at... all.

Der Spiegel: What do we really know about Islamist violence

277 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:34:46am

#274 Free Speech

well, they're going to rant about Rove, and Wilson will again call for Bush to fire Rove, because it is an abuse of power to discuss his wife (but its OK for him to make money off of a book he wrote where he discusses her career, of which she hasn't been 'covert' for 11 years)

278 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:35:05am
279 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:35:38am

274 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs

I'm sure Katie Couric will flash her cute smile and ask tough questions.

And I'm sure she'll show him some leg while she's at it...she's a witless tart.

280 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:36:01am
281 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:36:53am

275 {Lance}

W-Lover moved and left her company. I talked to her last week and she said to say hello to everyone. As soon as she has cable installed she'll be back on-line.

282 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:38:13am

#281 loppyd

I knew she was moving, but I didn't know she quit too.. hope all goes well. say hi for me next time you talk to her.

*hug* get your new iced coffee?

283 Radian  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:38:55am

Morning all...

284 Aisha  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:39:37am
So both of them are setting up their new digs...

I hope they are living with their fathers or their brothers or their husbands or some mahram person. It is haraam for women to live alone or with non-mahram men to whom they are not married. It is haraam for a woman to leave the house except in the case of emergency or absolute necessity so it will obviously be necessary for them to live with male relative.

Allahu Akhbar.

285 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:39:53am
286 Owl  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:40:40am

"...As police hunted for a "fifth man" and possible mastermind behind western Europe's first suicide bomb attacks, the prime minister also took fresh steps to increase dialogue with the British Muslim community and called for an international effort to mobilise the "moderate and true voice of Islam".

He encouraged Britain's religious leaders to stand up to "the poisonous and perverted interpretation of the religion of Islam" shown by the terrorists. "

At least, for once, someone is using the word terrorist. Even though they did use "bombers" 10/1 in the article as a whole.

287 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:41:05am
Hence their huge drive to have Rove, convicted, sentenced and executed within the context of public opinion...

The only problem is that the public doesn't care, so their effort to drum up support for a public lyching of Rove will fall flat on its ass. Especially if he's not indicted, which he most likely won't be.

V the K was right. The Dems are so out of ideas, they can't even come up with any new scandals. Just the same tired old cr*p that no one cares about.

288 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:41:32am

#284 Aisha

It is haraam for women to live alone or with non-mahram men to whom they are not married.

so its ok for them to shack up with some stranger, as long as he is 'mahram' ? *grin*

are they also permitted to have 'special relations' ? or does he have to stick to the goat?

289 Beagle  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:41:41am

This Rove thing has media-manufactured scandal written all over it. Was Valerie Plame in any danger? Was she working deep undercover in Saudi Arabia? Did she keep her identity a secret among her husband and his friends, all ranking Democrats?

290 Black George Bush  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:41:53am

morning all

291 Kirly  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:42:19am

#284 Aisha

It is haraam for a woman to leave the house except in the case of emergency or absolute necessity so

i guess when your school is on fire that's not enough of an emergency or absolute necessity, is it?

292 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:42:24am

282 Lance

I will be sure to tell her you said hi...

Got a new icey...b*tch alert is over. :)

293 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:43:25am

When GITMO starts to show back up on the front pages, that means the MSM has realized that this story either has no traction, or is about to blow up in their faces.

294 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:43:42am

#292 loppyd

Got a new icey...b*tch alert is over. :)

is that all it takes? I'll remember that for when I'm dating... when she starts acting all grumpy and such, I'll just give her an iced coffee and say "drink that and talk to me when you're done"

i'm sure that'd go over real well *grin*

295 Owl  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:44:58am

"No, a republican would not get away with it, not in today's atmosphere anyway..."


Ummm...nor would a decent Republican want to " get away with it "...I mean, the act of hiding it. Now, I know none of us are perfect, but I would hope that a majority of Republicans(conservatives) wouldn't want to umm...'nail a 14 yr old'.

I would hope...

296 Spiritualized  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:45:02am

People are waking up in old Europe it seems, I came across this while searching for other things:

Leading French Politician Sarkozy Expresses Solidarity with Israel

(IFM) While on a three-day visit to Israel, Nicolas Sarkozy, the head of France’s leading political party, expressed solidarity with Israeli victims of terror and praised Prime Minister Ariel Sharon for his courageous policies, the Jerusalem Post reported. "I came here to express solidarity with the suffering of the victims [of terror]. Your children are our children; France has also suffered from terror," Sarkozy said. In his address at the last day of the Herzliya Conference, Sarkozy stressed his friendship for Israel on numerous occasions. He pointed out that 27 French nationals had been killed in Israel in terror attacks. Sarkozy added that he admired Israel's ability to build a vibrant state, faced with daily dangers.

Sarkozy was one of the few world leaders to express any feeling of empathy for 8,000 settlers in Gaza.

He's likely to be Chirac's successor. If you can find a particular politician's views on Israel it's almost certainly a good indicator of whether they're a Muslim-appeasing moonbat or not, and if they'll be pro-U.S.

297 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:45:41am
298 Manker  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:46:24am

Left wingers at it again

'Change inquiries into Palestinian deaths’

Rights groups initiate debate


The High Court debated the matter Thursday after two human right groups petitioned the court to ask it to direct the IDF to investige every Palestinian non-combatant death.

Wow I'm shocked, SHOCKED that it was 'human rights group'

But atleast their was one voice of reason.

During the session, State representative Shai Nitzan rejected the petitioners claim that investigations are only launched in exceptional cases.


“There’s no such policy,” he said, “it depends on the circumstances. The less combative and operational the circumstances, the more investigations are launched.”


It's ridiculous to look into every case for four reasons.

1. As pointed out in the previous quote, you have to look at the situation. If RPG's are fly'n and it's a huge gun battle, do they honestly expect anything to be found? Except that terrorists were using civilians as human?

O'yea they don't want that pointed out.

2. Considering cases where they are made up. Jenin, do I need to say anything else?

3. In cases where the pali's kill each other. Like that girl who shot by hajj revelers. That shouldn't even have looked at.

4. Sometimes the best explanations are through pictures.

picture

As anyone can see. The two terrorists closest to the foreground, who we can see their attire. Imagine if during a gun fight or an attempted attack, the terrorists get over powered. So they ditch the belt, gun, and mask. You can't tell whether they were fighting five minutes before that. Then as they are pursued, are killed in the chase for being the terror scum bags they are.

Well guess what? We've now just got a case of terrorists, who will now be considered civilians, even though they aren't.

Literally this will gum up the entire legal system of the army. It could very well paralyze parts of the army.

299 Owl  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:46:39am

Mornin BGB, loppyd, Lancekates, et al...

300 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:47:12am

294 Lance

Just keep the caffeine flowing and I'm all smiles... See? :)

301 tigger2005  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:47:14am

You know, I was re-reading that article from the Telegraph regarding the "irreconcilables," and I got a sense that one day it may be regarded as a seminal document in Western history. With a little adaptation, any Western country can adopt this succinct little manifesto. I hope one day we will hear similar words out of the mouths of our political leaders.

302 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:47:15am

#293 Village

Good call. I can see the meeting now:

"Umm... boss?... this whole Rove thing isn't working. too many people can figure out that we're making a story out of nothing."

"Stinkin' Internet... helping people learn. How are we supposed to maintain a godlike hold on their minds if they're all free to go and learn. I wish we had good controls on the internet... like china."

"Well boss... what do we do? We don't have anything else prepared... we've been ready for All Rove All the Time for the next few weeks."

"Well crap... now we have to think. dagnabbit.. I know... GITMO... we still have our stock footage, and I'm sure if we bring a bottle of scotch to the interview, Sen. Ted Kennedy would do some on the record ranting for us."

"You're so great boss... may I continue to lick your hind end for you?"


(Ok... that last bit wasn't necessary... but its my opinion of what goes on.)

303 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:47:31am

Morning {Owl}!

304 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:48:43am

#300 loppyd

Just keep the caffeine flowing and I'm all smiles... See? :)

in that case, I'll set up an IV for you.

305 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:48:49am
306 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:49:36am

Morning {BGB}!

307 Luigi  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:50:20am

From jihadwatch via an article they found in The Village Voice

Beyond the bombers, who may or may not have been on a suicide mission, there are the rhetoricians. One organization, called the Party for Islamic Renewal, regularly loads my mailbox with a collection of tirades. Since the group is angry, it's labeled radical. Operated through an Arabic language website, tajdeed.net, the party is organized by Mohammed al-Massari, a Saudi dissident. In the past, the British government unsuccessfully tried to deport him, and in the mid 1990's he helped Osama bin Laden open a London office, according to the BBC...

That's the part that really terrorizes me: the British government unsuccessfully tried to deport him. It should be as easy as pie to deport a jihadi.

308 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:50:25am

Lance

"You're so great boss... may I continue to lick your hind end for you?"


You, my boy are a sick puppy.

That's why I like you

309 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:50:31am

hey Owl, and BGB, and whomever snuck in that I didn't see.

310 Manker  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:50:42am

#296 Spiritualized

Ya I heard about that guy. He was actually supposed to replace certain people in French cabinet but Chirac choose ville pen (is that the correct name?).

The main reason why Chirac choose him over that guy (regardless of the fact that he is one of the most popular politicians in france) is that he considers him pro-US.

311 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:51:17am
312 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:51:28am
313 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:51:40am

#308 Village

I take no credit of the strange things I think up. I blame my parents, and Congress.

mostly Congress.

314 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:51:54am
315 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:52:27am

Summary of the German press's views on terrorism in London - by their own residents: Terror from Within

316 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:52:51am

#314 AI

well, the link is so important that the Internet Gods decided that it should be there twice. *grin*

317 Lightning_Man  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:56:01am

#294 LanceKates

No matter how grumpy the female is, the male is never to assert that the female is being so or agree with the female that she is being so. To do so is akin to pouring gasoline on a fire.

318 Aisha  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:56:14am

288

"Mahram" means those relatives whom the sharia prohibits one from marrying, such as one's parents and siblings. So yes, if a woman's father or brother is a total stranger to her, she is permitted to live with him. Knocking boots with one's father or brother, is, however, strictly forbidden by Allah Ta'ala.


Aisha was doing some research for her Friday sermon: "Why were there no Jews in London on 7/7 and were the Zionists Warned?", and she found some great Christian Infidel stuff to use. This is almost as good as the Noble Quar'an, and Aisha has decided that truly Christians are the most hateful infidels on Allah Ta'ala's earth; they are almost as bad as the Jews.

And some insolent kafffir say that Islaam needs a Martin Luther! By the looks of it we already have plenty of them in Saudi Arabia, you can bet on that, infidels!

Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self-glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch-thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

Over and above that we let them get rich on our sweat and blood, while we remain poor and they such the marrow from our bones.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My advice, as I said earlier, is:

First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire...

Second, that all their books-- their prayer books, their Talmudic writings, also the entire Bible-- be taken from them, not leaving them one leaf, and that these be preserved for those who may be converted...

Third, that they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God, to give thanks, to pray, and to teach publicly among us and in our country...

Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the name of God within our hearing. For we cannot with a good conscience listen to this or tolerate it...

319 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:58:35am
320 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:58:39am

Morning all!

Lance et. al...I noticed that you were discussing the Rove thing...

I found this article this morning. It contains the following snippet...


The federal code says the agent must have operated outside the United States within the previous five years. But Plame gave up her role as a covert agent nine years before the Rove interview, according to New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof.

As others have said...sound and fury signifying nothing.

321 Black George Bush  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:59:41am

Mornin Owl, Loppy & Lance :)

322 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 4:59:55am

Good Morning {E_O}!

323 Luigi  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:00:19am

Fox tv interviews terror expert Christina Corbett, graduate of Royal Military Academy, or Sandhurst

Obviously we're going to have to start looking at immigration ... We are going o have to now seriously look at ... radical voices that ... will have to be controlled more closely now... we need to look at that.

We're looking for British steel and we get mush.

324 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:00:29am

#317 Lightning Man

No matter how grumpy the female is, the male is never to assert that the female is being so or agree with the female that she is being so. To do so is akin to pouring gasoline on a fire.

Oh, I wouldn't SAY that she's grumpy... I'd just get her an iced coffee and give it to her. since she's grumpy she probably already is cranky at me (and is probably cranky at something I did, which made her grumpy in the first place)... besides... 'she' doesn't exist... so I can make her as grumpy as I want. *grin*

(though I do know never to answer the "do these pants make my butt look fat?" even though in my mind I want to say "No... I think the size and shape of your butt makes your butt look big.")

325 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:00:33am

OK, Martin Luther may have been just a smidgeon antisemitic, but one of my favorite hymns at church (perhaps it is because it reminds me of "Davy and Goliath"), which, per the "Gather Hymnal" used by many Catholics, is from the big book of Lutheran hymns, is "A Mighty Fortress is Our God".

326 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:02:02am

#320 eschew

yeah... I think I heard about that yesterday. My thought has always been "you can't be cranky at rove for saying something that's been common knowledge for quite some time. if anything, get cranky at Wilson for lying about Cheney."

327 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:02:47am

317 Lightning_Man

Hmmm...sounds like you speak from experience.

You are a wise man.

328 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:03:10am

OT

Emily, which will miss the US, but could provide marginal tropical storm conditions to South Party Island, is strengthening.

329 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:03:17am
330 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:04:13am

The Rove thing (cont'd)...

...and the reporting on it has been so bad that it's near impossible to get good information...you have to try and pick the nuggets out of the horse poop.

332 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:05:33am

#325 Ed

Martin Luther wrote great hymns.. most were a touch too hard for me to sing, but I liked them nonetheless.

333 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:05:41am

An example of why I must have copious amounts of coffee to deter crankiness in the morning is below...try waking up to this jihad every day.

EVIL ROVE/BUSH CARTOON

334 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:05:54am

# 224 VIA

Nah - my laptop battery will run this thing for a couple of hours. Just logged on, so I'm good for a while yet.

# 227 paxnhymn

Sounds like typical bookeeping bullshit to me. Remember the big drop in Shell's reserves ? What, like oil suddenly vanished ? No - just crooked bookeeping, that's all.

When I sat down here, there was quite the crowd. The two people at the next table turned out to actors, and a scene for something or other was being shot here. Like I cared. I just sat down and fired up the old Toshiba. And ordered a coffee. Guess I'm not pretty enough, because they changed the camera angle soon after that. Heh.

335 Lightning_Man  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:05:56am

#327 loppyd

#317 Lightning_Man

Hmmm...sounds like you speak from experience.

You are a wise man.

I do speak from experience precisely because I was not a wise man. You live, you learn.

336 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:06:21am

#330 eschew

you have to try and pick the nuggets out of the horse poop.

reason enough to leave it all alone. I try to keep my hands out of poo.

337 Aisha  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:07:43am

Do not get Aisha started on the Catholics! Truly, Aisha has not seen so much holy boy-buggering outside of Kandahar since the ink in the Quar'an was still wet!

Not only do they commit that abomination (when any member of the Royal Jordanian Army will tell you that it is traditional to use a goat), but they spent all of the middle ages SLAUGHTERING INNOCENT MUSLIMS.

338 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:08:11am

#329 American Infidel 7/14/2005 07:03AM PDT

Why does the US have to be mentioned in this article, especially when they are talking about home grown moslem terrorists?!?!?!?!

I like to think it's like a correspondent reporting on a beauty pageant who says something like...

"And on a day when three innocent little children were killed in Iraq, Miss America is..."

Happens every day...disgusting MSM!

339 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:08:46am

#333 loppyd

that is one nice thing about OK. even the dems here in ok are conservative.

heard one of the radio the other day. lifelong liberal.

against abortion, for the war, against Affirmative Action, for private social Security funds.

340 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:10:37am

Bob Woodward Offers to Serve Judith Miller's Jail Time

Bob Woodward has offered to serve some of jailed reporter Judith Miller's time behind bars, and urged others to share her incarceration as well.

Hey, someone forgot to tell all those incarcerated folks that they could time-share their sentences!

341 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:11:02am

#337 aisha

Not only do they commit that abomination (when any member of the Royal Jordanian Army will tell you that it is traditional to use a goat), but they spent all of the middle ages SLAUGHTERING INNOCENT MUSLIMS.

so it should be turned around to match the Muslim model? (its better to just rape the muslims and slaughter the little boys?)

*grin*

342 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:12:16am

This one looks pretty good

Then and now, evil always wants more


This seems to be a money shot


The problem was that Hitler's stated demands were a pretext for his maniacal ambitions. He was unappeasable. So is Osama bin Laden, who wants to avenge centuries of humiliation supposedly suffered by Muslims at Christian hands and who dreams of establishing a Taliban-style caliphate over all the lands once dominated by Muslims, from western China to southern Spain. Pulling out of Iraq would only whet his insatiable appetite for destruction, just as giving up the Sudetenland encouraged Hitler to seek more.
343 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:12:40am

#340 Sarah D

that way they can spend time in jail, talking with the poor innocent prisoners... who are only there because George Bush destroyed america...

if not for george bush, remember, we'd all be multi-millionares.. really... they promise... just vote dem.


*smirk*

344 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:13:25am

335 Lightning_Man

Just as us wimmins must learn the dance as well...

Among others, I have learned not to ask "what is wrong" when the man is being quiet. I have learned that it IS a big deal for the man to hold the remote. I have learned that it's not fair to bring up something the man did 3 years ago during a new argument. I have learned not to throw away the ripped to shreads boxers that double as shorts for around the house...

See? I'm learning...

345 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:13:30am

#329 American Infidel

Why does the US have to be mentioned in this article, especially when they are talking about home grown moslem terrorists?!?!?!?!

Great question. First, Der Spiegel is die hard leftist - multicultural. Second, I think that the mentioning of the US was a kind of 'wink, wink, nudge, nudge' way to say: "We all know that that America is enemy of the terrorists (Marxism and Edward Said told us so), so why in the hell are they attacking us? We're bending over backwards to favor the Palestinians and Muslims. Why do they attack us still?" Of course, the answer for them is America and Israel still - because we are fighting militant Islam.

They also give this stupid class warfare idea as I showed in #276. Which means that capitalism is really the root cause of terror for Europe. They are contorting themselves not to say anything against Islam and maybe anger their Muslim populations.

That's my view.

346 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:13:41am
347 David  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:13:59am
Hey, someone forgot to tell all those incarcerated folks that they could time-share their sentences!

So next time you're feeling depressed, pop on down to Texas and tell them you want to take some guy's lethal injection for him.

Solves everyone's problem. Beats strapping on the old explosives belt and splodeydoping somewhere, I suppose.

348 jwm  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:14:42am

Ah- dear Aisha- ever the voice of moderate islam.

Morning folks. Just got back from a pre-dawn trip to LAX. Wife is going to some vitamin conferrence or something. Usually enough coffee can sort of simulate consciousness, but it ain't doin' it this morning.
Listened to Bill Bennet on the radio on my way back. He was talking about London. He was talking about the fear over "soft targets" here in the US. I had to just turn it off.
I hate going to the airport. I hate it, not because of the freeway, or the traffic, or the parking, although all of those things suck.
I hate it because of the sick little fear I always feel when I think of a loved one on a plane. And that sick little fear is just a molecule away from rage. And it's just knowing that it's only a matter of time before some moderate muslim blows the shit out of something here at home... I hate going to the airport.
JWM

349 bouzouki  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:16:26am

All work and no jihad makes Mohammed a dull boy:

THEY TRIED TO MAKE ME A SUICIDE BOMBER

They promised that if I died that way I would get 70 virgins in heaven and even talked about how I would be given a place to have sex, covered in diamonds and pearls, where even angels couldn't see me.
350 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:16:41am

#345 that

351 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:16:50am
352 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:17:15am

289 Beagle

haven't you heard? Deep undercover desk jockey is verrry hazardous indeed, what with all the potential paper cuts and such...


/is this tag really neccesary?

353 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:17:48am

# 335 Lightning_Man

I do speak from experience precisely because I was not a wise man. You live, you learn.

Sounds like someone who's been married. At least twice.

# 340 Sarah D.

That kinda confirms what I've seen of old Bob on the tube of late. Alzheimer's is obviously setting in.

354 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:17:48am
355 nonic  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:18:27am

Is itjust me, or is this really too much? Isn't the abstinence till marriage movement intended toward kids, trying to cut down on STD's, HIV, teenage pregnancy, emotional carnage (no pun intended)?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Fox News
Political Grapevine
'Screw Abstinence Party'
Wednesday, July 13, 2005
By Brit Hume

Washington state's branch of the abortion-rights organization NARAL (search) is planning to host a "Screw Abstinence Party" in Seattle Thursday night, featuring a comedic sex ed class for adults, and a seminar on "Sexy Safer Sex" — presented by staff from a local sex toys shop. And the reason for this? The organization's Web site says, "Tired of Bush & Co. spending your tax dollars on abstinence-only-until-marriage initiatives that promote dangerous misinformation? ... Come laugh, learn, socialize and buck the system."

Tickets are $15, but those who pay $30 get the so-called "Full Monty": a screwdriver drink from the bar, and a "Screw Abstinence" T-Shirt.


I'll bet anything that the line "come laugh, learn, socialize and buck the sytem" is not quoted accurately. That it's really "f*ck" the system.

Am I just getting too old for this world?

356 coulterclone  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:18:52am

Goood Mornin' Lizardoids!

#317 Lightning...is that a quote from the Anti-Koran?

Aisha...please, pull your head out of your ass...there were no more innocent Muslims in the middle ages than there were innocent Christians involved in the Crusades...just another in a long series of power trips that have plagued humanity since the days of cave painting...so get over it. And cut the Catholic crap too...idiot.

357 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:19:49am

354

Sarah D.

Technically, Islam doesn't permit murder. You forget that killing infidels isn't considered murder.

358 jwm  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:20:03am

#325 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades
I was in a collectible toy store yesterday, and saw a set of Davey and Goliath figures. That brought back some memories. I Hadn't thought of Davey and Goliath since I was in single digit years.
JWM

359 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:20:09am

354 Sarah D.

hey guhl! What that moooslem idiot means by the sign is that you don't have to get a permit to cut someone' head of or blow em up...

360 Lightning_Man  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:20:18am

#344 loppyd

See? I'm learning...

The wonderful thing beyond what you've learned is that you want to learn. That makes a difference.

361 Aisha  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:20:35am

346

As it would say in the Noble Quaran, if the Noble Quaran had lots of swearing in it:

Add ma emmak neketo la bayyak men tizo, hebil fik men bayadto.

362 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:20:55am

Get a load of the talking points.

It's no wonder the Democrats lost.

363 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:21:39am
364 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:21:54am

Coulterclone-


Um, Aisha isn't what she appears to be.

365 big L  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:22:17am

273-2x4wielder--Yes I think you've got it. There is something that Miller knows that is not the Rove conversation. I think it is something like a scam. That there was some talk of hanging Rove on this, as a plan behind the scenes and they knew it was false
and a set-up.
The Bush whitehouse circling or apearing to circle the wagons doesn't look good.but it could be a W poker-hand being played.
Nerve-wracking.

366 Beagle  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:22:43am

#337 Aisha

Do not get Aisha started on the Catholics! Truly, Aisha has not seen so much holy boy-buggering outside of Kandahar since the ink in the Quar'an was still wet!

Not only do they commit that abomination (when any member of the Royal Jordanian Army will tell you that it is traditional to use a goat), but they spent all of the middle ages SLAUGHTERING INNOCENT MUSLIMS.


I wish you would post some stuff like this on my blog. I could try the quoting text in the margins of my blog.

You'd have to insult me in there somewhere.

You could start out by claiming I'm a polytheist. I'm sure from there you could really get going from there.

Medieval Scholastics? I'm practically setting them up so you can knock them down. Clearly I'm Crusader.

Then I could put it under "critics rave" or something as "Aisha" and link to your blog where they find this strangely serious David character.

367 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:22:46am

Robot Camel Jockies

I shit you not.

368 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:23:03am

360 Lightning_Man

Next time around I'll be a pro!

369 Lightning_Man  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:23:21am

#353 Mike C.

Sounds like someone who's been married. At least twice.

Just once and still current. The 11 years I was "engaged" to another prior to Mrs. LM taught me quite a bit, including how ultimately lucky I was that I didn't marry that one.

370 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:23:28am

On Adult Swim, I saw a rather dark, though humorous, spoof on Davy and Goliath. The claymation figures looked and sounded just like the real Davy and Goliath. Except for the "Pet Cemetary" part.

371 Al Charabiya  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:23:56am

#226 Beagle.

Also from your link:

In 2001 there was an enemy to hit back at, and some business to conclude with the Taliban. Since then, there has been unfinished business with Saddam Hussein and his notorious fedayeen. But from now on, we must increasingly confront the fact that the war within Islam is also a war within Europe. It's highly probable that the assassins of 7 July are British born, as were several Taliban fighters in the first round in Afghanistan. And the mirror image also exists. Many Muslims take the side of civilization and many European fascists and Communists are sympathetic to jihad.

These are not the bright, clear lines that many people fondly imagine to be heritable from a heroic past. But the nature of the enemy is somewhat similar. Like the fascists that they are, the murderers boast that they love death more than we love life. They imagine that this yell of unreason is intimidating and impressive. We shall undoubtedly go forward and put these grave matters to the proof but, meanwhile: Death to them and Long Live London!

We'll get nowhere in the fight against terror with our politicians, religious leaders and police flatly denying that there is a link between jihadi terrorism and Islam. Thank goodness Hitchens is bold enough to point this out. Are you listening Mr Blair?

372 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:24:02am

#355 nonic

Is itjust me, or is this really too much? Isn't the abstinence till marriage movement intended toward kids, trying to cut down on STD's, HIV, teenage pregnancy, emotional carnage (no pun intended)?

there was some guy high up in the catholic church inverviewed about the whole "no protection' deal (where you shouldn't wear condoms or use birth control because its bad.), and how Africa is rampant with Aids and such because of it.

The catholic guy said something to the effect of "If it is the catholics' fault, then its strange that these men only remember that they're not to use condoms, and forget that they're not supposed to have sex until marriage."

373 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:24:15am

#357 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

They sure are killing lots on non-infidels in Iraq.

374 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:24:54am

370 Ed Mahmoud...

Davy & Goliath used to scare me when I was a kid...

375 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:25:27am

For the men.

Ouch!

376 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:25:42am

Sarah D.


I'm sure they justify blowing up little children who would accept candy from Americans as saving them from becoming apostates to Islam.

377 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:26:40am
378 Lightning_Man  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:27:31am

#356 coulterclone

#317 Lightning...is that a quote from the Anti-Koran?

It's from The Unwritten Book of Marriage.

379 Al Charabiya  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:28:03am

Afternoon. LGF is dangerous - have only just finished going through the links I collected from here yesterday and there's another bucketload up already. Good job I have the week off work...

WARNING: FOLLOWING LINKS NOT SAFE FOR WORK

For some light relief from Islamic terror and the Karl Rove non-story, here's something truly hideous. A 58-year old rapper from Canada who goes by the name of DJ Cyber-Rap.
If for some odd reason you'd like to see a photo of said man, clicky here and scroll to the bottom.

Thank you Canada. Another truly painful musical export.

I used to be in the first Canadian Vietnam protest band! We had songs about how Vietnam was unfair!

You rebel, you. Judging by the excessive and unneccesary use of moonbat scare-quotes this man will no doubt be coming to an anti-War protest near you soon:

then, when I was "surfing" on the nu-click Google dot url server mouse wheel dot internet, I discove"r'd" something called 20hz.ca! Suddenly on that message board I found a "kewl croo" of "new-ethercord indie.net hipster young highschool and 'uni' hep-cats" who reminded me of myself when I was their age! They were funny! They knew all the cool "bands" and "sweet movies" and, most importantly, when I joined and "rechanged" my name to DJ Cyber-Rap (my "kewl nu-image"!), "they learned my story and accepted me!"
...
I am OFFICIALLY A "grooveadelic coool doode again!" :):):)

Time to call in the Punctuation Police.

I'm not sure what's more embarrassing, his excrutiating attempts to rap or his MSN messenger / txt speak... AAAGH!

I am SERIOUS AS A RHUBARB!

Indeed.

380 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:28:24am

#376 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

That, and blowing up little girls on their way to school. Too much learning is a bad thing...

Bastards.

381 Aisha  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:28:32am

Wassallam Coulterclone, it is well established by reliable Islaamic Ulaama, that the Crusades were a great and racist act of genocide against the innocent Muslims who were just trying to invent algebra and the letter zero, create modern hygene, including surgical shaving, liberate oppressed women and other oppressed peoples, and peacefully evangelise their neighbours.

It is also established (and Allah Ta'ala knows best) that the Catholics are secretly controlled by the Jew and this is why the Pope and the Bishops wear Kippot (that's a yarmulke, you ignorant infidels). And it was the Jew who convinced the Catholic to kill the Muslim. That is true, infidels, I saw it on Al-Jazeeraah the other day.

Similarly, that is why the Catholics created Israel, so that the Jew would tie the Muslim children to their tanks and use them to lure other Muslims to their deaths. And then why did all those Jews stay home on 9/11? Why do you blame the glorious mujahadeen for that when praise Allah, they may have done it but possibly they were manipulated by the Mossad.

Anyway, must shave the beaver before the 5am Salat tomorrow.

Peace and blessings of Allah Ta'ala!

382 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:28:49am

#377 Ai

I think that you're a nonmuslim woman touching the koran... that's worse than anything those dogs could do.

though i did find funny that person who had links to korans they bought, put ham sandwhiches on, then returned to the store to be bought my muslims.

now THAT'S comedy.

383 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:29:03am
384 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:30:04am

#378 Lightning Man

It's from The Unwritten Book of Marriage.

"Tell me who... who wrote the book of looove?"

I don't know... but many men who USED to be married wrote the book of marriage.

385 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:30:20am

Any of you men need a new bathing suit?

GROSS!

386 American Soldier  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:31:04am

#331 Manker

He said Israel is in violation of the cease-fire and “Provokes the (Palestinian) factions and forces them to breach the truce." (AP)


OMG! I get SO tired of listening to rhetoric that could have come from a 5-year-old.

Drag the Gush, kicking and screaming, back inside the Green Line. Build the fence. Draw a line in the sand. Kill any sorry goat-humping son-of-a-bitch who crosses the line without permission.

Let the palis fester in their own country with their own economy and NO jobs in Israel. Let Israelis relearn the joys of low-paid manual labor.

AND cut U.S. aid to the Middle East. The Israelis have a strong economy. No more U.S. interference in Israeli self-defense. Let the arabs support their pali brothers.

End of problems. The local cops use the phrase, "self-cleaning oven".

387 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:31:41am

Sarah D.


I suspect male circumcision is less painful than female circumcision.

BTW, is cliterectomy big in the Islamic world outside Africa? I got the impression that it is basically an African custom that Islam was cool with (because by making sex unpleasurable for the female, it reduced her incentive to be unfaithful to her future husband or lose her virginity).


Beyond Islam, I have read some truly creepy things about something in Southern Africa called "dry sex", where woman, many prostitutes, some not, put astringent materials inside them so the man gets the sensation that he is raping an unwilling partner.

388 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:32:25am

And speaking of marriage...

wedding cake

389 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:32:28am

#381 Aisha

Wassallam Coulterclone, it is well established by reliable Islaamic Ulaama, that the Crusades were a great and racist act of genocide against the innocent Muslims who were just trying to invent algebra and the letter zero, create modern hygene, including surgical shaving, liberate oppressed women and other oppressed peoples, and peacefully evangelise their neighbours.

and because some christians fought back when y'all slaughtered their people, you guys haven't advanced one day yet?

totally stopped the muslim version of algebra, the NUMBER zero, modern hygene (though muslim hygene does parallel french hygene), and the liberation of oppressed women...


wait... I get it... 'liberation of oppressed women' means 'make them cover all their bodies, or we'll rape and stone them'

carry on.

390 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:33:24am

#385 loppyd 7/14/2005 07:30AM PDT
Any of you men need a new bathing suit?

GROSS!

...ya gotta wonder what kind of women would that attract?

391 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:34:43am

#385 loppyd

what is it you want your men to wear swimming? *smirk*

392 Aisha  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:34:53am

loppyd, that is HARAAAM! Why do you think Allah Ta'ala has prescribed the wearing of the Hijaab? Well it is for the sharmutas so that men will not be driven wild by women's breasts and armpits and chest hair and ankles. But for this guy, I think we can make an exception and insist on hijaab. If Lesbianism was not haraam, and would not get Aisha stoned to death, she would now be well and truly off of the men.

393 vxbush  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:35:00am

Quick hello, Lizards! Going to be offline most of the day, but wanted to stop in quickly to check on things!

LGF is running smoothly; Karl Rove is still in his job; lizards are posting cool links and having fun...

Yes, this corner of the world is running as it should.

394 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:35:33am

# 381

With all due respect, you ain't Rodney Dangerfield. Give it a rest, eh ?

395 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:35:51am

Creepy

"Dry sex" worsens AIDS numbers in southern Africa

Dry sex promulgates HIV/AIDS in three ways: The lack of lubricant results in lacerations in the delicate membrane tissue, making it easier for the lethal virus to enter. In addition, the natural antiseptic lactobacilli that vaginal moisture contains aren't available to combat sexually transmitted diseases. Finally, condoms break far more easily due to the increased friction.

Sub-Saharan women attain this dryness in various ways. Herbs from the mugugudhu tree are wrapped in a nylon stocking and inserted into the vagina for 10-15 minutes in a procedure that one woman described as "very painful." Mutendo wegudo (dry soil where a baboon has urinated) is a traditional Zimbabwean recipe. A crushed stone called "wankie" is also utilized, reports the Oct. 23, 1998, World African Network, as are potions called chimhandara ("like a virgin" in Shona) and zvanamina ("taste me only" in Ndebele). Shredded newspapers, cotton, salt and detergents are also used.

Young, educated, urban lovers are slowly slipping away from dry sex, but even in the cities, the practice is retained by 50 percent who regard wet intercourse as a Western import that seeks to emasculate men.

396 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:36:07am

392 Aisha - not so fast!

Sexy Thong

397 American Soldier  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:36:08am

#385 loppyd
I see nothing gross about those women...oh! You meant the clown in the center.

398 coulterclone  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:36:14am

#364 Yeah Ed, but sometimes it ain't so funny!

#381 Aisha...OK OK OK...I get it...STOP! Go tempt infidels by lifting your burkha above your ankles.

#378 please add a chapter to the unwritten book...blogger spouse etiquette: why you should not stand over your wife when she is trying to post on a thread about the eternal struggle between man and woman as someone is doing RIGHT NOW!

399 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:36:54am

Re: My 395


I suspect this plays a part in why AIDS is a disease that affects straight people in Africa, while it is more a disease of gays and drug users in this country.

400 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:36:58am

#387 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Not just Africa. It's practiced in the Middle East, South America, and Asia. Also by muslims in Europe.

Dry sex is the preferred method in Africa. They use either astringents or swab it out prior to sex.

401 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:37:42am

Good Morning {American Soldier}!

402 whosoever  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:38:28am

Aisha, at least the Christians (well, a lot of us anyways) have wised up in the last couple of hundred years. You sound pretty sassy to me.

403 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:39:30am

I think Aisha is funny.


Perhaps it is an acquired taste, like kimchi or menudo.

404 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:39:38am

awww... I can't look at any of loppyd's pictures... evil firewall and SurfPatrol.

(what kind of sites are you linking to loppyd? the white pedistal I have you on is starting to tarnish *grin*)


Oooo... BIG thunder. off to check radar.

405 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:40:03am
406 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:40:18am
407 Aisha  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:40:22am
some christians fought back when y'all slaughtered their people,

Hey, LanceKates, check out some of the recent post-London bombing stories about Islamophobia, in the BBC and the Grauniad. That line of whingeing is still paying dividends for the Ummah and has western leftist bending over, pulling down their pants and asking the local Immam to spank em' hard.

When you are onto a good thing, ALLAHU AKHBAR!

408 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:40:55am

# 400 Sarah D.

Aack ! To use an old miner's phrase - "Fire in the hole !" Sorry - just had to say that.

409 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:41:09am
410 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:41:19am

Admit it
How many of us are just hanging out waiting for the first morning thread, which usually goes up between now and 11:00 EST?

BTW, new thread up

Seee Yaaah

411 foreign devil  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:41:28am

Ann Coulter says Joe Wilson "outed" his own wife himself when, in trying to repair damage to his 'story' that Cheney sent him to Niger (which wasn't true), he stated that "his wife was outed as a CIA 'operative' in order to damage him". Up till then no one knew she was an 'operative'...only that she 'worked for the CIA and had brought her husband to their attention when they needed someone to go on the trip to Niger'.

412 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:41:59am

400 Sarah D.

That sounds very unpleasant...

/shuddering

413 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:42:32am

well... couldn't have been thunder... no clouds above me. . . someone doing construction in the building here must have dropped some big metal thing in the dumpster. sounded JUST like thunder.

414 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:44:56am
415 vxbush  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:45:09am

foreign devil:

I wondered about that possibility. I mean, so far the Karl Rove thing is just not sticking--the fact that what Karl has told is the truth seems to bother the libs to no end. So who does that leave? Who is the one person who was in the media at that time and could say? Why, Mr. Wilson himself.

416 American Soldier  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:45:31am

400 Sarah D.
It's all enough to curdle one's tongue.

417 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:46:22am

Dry sex doesn't sound like all that much fun for the guy, for that matter.

418 coulterclone  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:46:52am

Aisha is Islam's answer to "Sister" in Late Night Catechism.

Let's all sing...Allah allah bo-ballah bananna fanna fo faallah bee bi bo ballah...allah...PBUH (panties be upon him)

Next thread up!

419 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:47:43am

#405 ploome hineni

Maybe it's a deliberate mental block.

420 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:47:47am

yay. more intraoffice flirting with a nice girl.

421 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:48:21am

#416 American Soldier

Behave you!

LOL!

422 vxbush  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:49:42am

Ack...almost time to go.

423 Aisha  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:49:53am

It is after midnight, and like all good Muslimahs, Aisha is taking her Quar'an and going to bed. Alone, infidels, so don't ask!

And a big toda to Ed Abu Whatever He is Today, and Ploome Hineni. Aisha is sending some infidel Ahavah your way. Ad machar, the rest of you infidels.

424 jwm  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:50:18am

#417 Ed:
I don't get the appeal at all. Unless the guy were taking pleasure in the woman's discomfort. And even then it just seems painful for both parties.
JWM

425 BIG  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:51:28am

Somebody sent me this joke and I just have to pass it on.

Seasonal differences between Chicago and the rest of the USA - WGN Radio

A listener sent us the following, which appears on a number of websites.

60 above - Floridians wear coats, gloves, and woolly hats.
Chicago people sunbathe.

50 above - New Yorkers try to turn on the heat.
Chicago people plant gardens.

40 above - Italian cars won't start.
Chicago people drive with the windows down.

32 above - Distilled water freezes.
Lake Michigan's water gets thicker.

20 above - Californians shiver uncontrollably.
Chicago people have the last cookout before it gets cold.

15 above - New York landlords finally turn up the heat.
Chicago people throw on a sweatshirt.

0 degrees - Californians fly away to Mexico.
Chicago people lick the flagpole and throw on a light jacket over the sweatshirt.

20 below - People in Miami cease to exist.
Chicago people get out their winter coats.

40 below - Hollywood disintegrates.
Chicago's Girl Scouts begin selling cookies door to door.

50 below - Santa Claus abandons the North Pole.
Chicago people get frustrated when they can't thaw the keg.

60 below - Microbial life survives on dairy products.
Illinois cows complain of farmers with cold hands.

460 below - ALL atomic motion stops.
Chicago people start saying. . ."Cold 'nuff for ya?"

500 below - Hell freezes over.
The Chicago Cubs win the World Series

426 Sarah D.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:51:56am

Re: dry sex

The premise is that regular or "wet" sex emasculates the man. Based on this, I would guess that painful intercourse (for the man) is macho. It's supposed to hurt.

427 loppyd  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:54:09am

425 BIG

Hell froze over here in Boston last year so don't lose hope!

428 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:56:08am

#427 loppyd

nah... it just rained a bit. when Teddy Kennedy is replaced by a Zell miller type, that's when you know that Satan is making a snowman.

429 American Soldier  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:56:19am

#425 BIG
LOL
/native Chicagoan

430 American Soldier  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 5:59:15am

Killed another thread. Later, lizards.

431 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 6:13:44am
432 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 6:19:41am
433 LanceKates  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 6:20:39am

LOL... over at KOS... here's what passes for investigave fact checking:

Judy Miller is in Jail because Dick Cheney called her, not Rove.

Bush Rove and Cheney were in on this from the beginning.

They huddled together and decided to out Plame.

What scumbags these guys are!

They believe they are above the law and may be...

unless we stop them!


by Silence Do Good on Thu Jul 14th, 2005 at 06:34:55 PDT

434 SlothB77  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 6:22:04am

Interesting article on London Suicide Bomber


Shahzad Tanweer, a bright sports science graduate, seemed to have his life planned. He was "proud to be British" according to his uncle, Bashir Ahmad, and planned a career in sport. Yet the youngster's life went unthinkably wrong. The promising young man died in a suicide attack on the London Underground, along with the seven commuters he murdered at Aldgate last week. He was 22.

His mother, Parveen, was in a safe house last night, along with the rest of the family, where she has been "crying uncontrollably" since she was given the news about her son.

He attended Wortley High School and excelled at sport as well as his lessons. Though reports have focused on his interest in cricket, his best sport was long jump. Trophies lining the family home in Colwyn Road, Beeston, attest to that. He left school to study sports science at Leeds Metropolitan University. His father, Mumtaz, was delighted his son had not gone off the rails, according to Mr Ahmad. "He was very pleased because at an age when he could have been going down to the pub, he was regularly visiting the mosque and studying," said Mr Ahmad.

Nothing appeared untoward when, last December, he left Beeston for a Pakistani Islamic School, near Lahore. His intention was to stay for nine months and learn to recite the Koran by heart. "He went purely to study religion and learn about the Koran," said Mr Ahmad.

435 FabioC.  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 6:35:31am

From the sparse considerations department: my colleague is saying (shouting in the phone, actually) that the healthcare system in Lithuania is better than Britain...

436 Ilan Toren  Thu, Jul 14, 2005 11:08:23am
Are you coming on the "march" next week?

Me and most of the family. Hopefully we can get 100K marching on the Gush. Should be interesting


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