No shit, sherlock.

Or if a policeman is telling you to stop.....

And don't jump the turnstiles!

the "BCLU" is gonna go ballistic over that "look a bit foreign" part.

OT. test drove a toyota prius today. it's one of the funniest looking cars i've ever seen but based on the reported mpg while i drove it, i think it'll easily do the 50+ mpg advertised.

Oh and refrain from jumping the turnstiles.

Dang earth2moonbat! get out of my head!

Probably ought to have a Spanish language version, like we would.
Brazilians speak Portuguese, though, do they not?

This has been a Public Service Announcement.

or look a bit foreign

heh.

You could add: "or smelling bad and talking funny".

British slang can be really wierd sometimes.

Related to the Bombing aftermath . . .

I'm trying to notify other Bloggers of a request made by the UK Police not to publish pictures obtained by ABC News of unexploded bombs discovered in a car in Luton. It can interfere with or damage their investigation into the bombing.

My post with their request and source is below.

Post at

Kirly, how was the handling?

#4 kirly

"the "BCLU" is gonna go ballistic over that "look a bit foreign" part."

I agree but saying "or look like a grey haired old lady" probably won't be any use to anyone. Hehehe.
They really do have an obligation to warn those that could be harmed if the rules of common sense are not followed.

Look a bit foreign?

Which bit?

Thats common sense. But I guess common sense is in short suplly these days.

Kirly re: OT
They never get the advertised. Having said that the hybrids are the way to go until a full hydrogen car is available. (IMHO) I own a Civic hybrid gets about 40 mpg. 36 since I havbeen runnung AC non stop.

#14 LOL

...

NOTICE TO ALL PASSENGERS

Please do not run, especially if you have a knapsack, or we will bring you down by any means necessary. And we won't lose any sleep over it, either.

Have a nice day!

#15 elbarto

" I own a Civic hybrid gets about 40 mpg. 36 since I havbeen runnung AC non stop."

I once owned a babysh*t brown '78 Cougar that got about 4 gallons to the mile.

Now THAT was a car!

# 17 elBarto

Cat got your tongue?

"Additionally, please do not publicly denounce Western civilization in the station unless you can produce proof of being a Labor Member of Parliament or on the Guardian editorial board."

Apollo 11 A car previous to the hybrid was a 77 Chevy Impala. Land Yacht. Between the leaking oil and the horible mileage..wow. The hybrid is penence(sp?).

#14 SwampWoman

Which bit?

The naughty bits, of course.

If this is accurate, there may be hope. I do not know one single person who is against profiling of "middle-eastern" 20-30 year old men. Especially those with backpacks or rucksacks.

Can you imagine the reaction of CAIR is this was done on the New York subway? They would turn into apoplectic purple people eaters at the very suggestion.

Our thoughts are prayers are with the Brits. We hope they stand strong.

Makes sense to me.

*****

This is slightly OT but since there is no open or dead thread yet....

I just wrote a letter to the editor to my local newspaper, the Jerusalem Post. Not much new there - I do that all the time. But I wanted to share it with you even if it's not published because I think there's a lesson here in how the MSM manipulates the news by giving us less than full disclosure. I cc'ed Charles on the letter, and he can choose to do whatever he wants with it:

******

Sirs,

The report by the "US-based Strategic Assessments Initiative," which found that the Palestinian security forces are "insufficiently armed," (PA plans next move in Gaza after pullout, July 28) allows the Palestinians to blame Israel - again - for their own shortcomings.

If Abu Mazen would disarm the terrorist groups as he has committed himself to doing, the Palestinians would have more than sufficient arms to police the Palestinian Authority.

It's time for the world to stop letting the Palestinians get away with blaming Israel and to make them accountable for their own actions. The Strategic Assessments Initiative report is a step backwards from accountability.

-- Carl
Jerusalem

P.S. This is too long a topic for a 500-word letter to the editor but if you look at SAI's web site, SAI is anything but the neutral organization you imply that it is. I'm cc'ing Caroline Glick on this in the hope that she might build on it for a future column. But here are two examples:

Amjad Atallah

Amjad Atallah is founder and President of Strategic Assessments Initiative, a not-for-profit organization committed to providing legal and policy assistance to parties involved in negotiations in conflict and postconflict situations....

For the past three years before Mr. Atallah founded SAI, he advised the Palestinian negotiating team, and later Palestinian Prime Minister Abbas’ office, in peace negotiations with Israel on the issues of international borders, security, and constitutional issues. He was also responsible for liaising with US government officials in Washington, D.C. on these issues. He was responsible for coordinating Palestinian cooperation with the Sharm El-Sheikh Fact Finding Committee (the Mitchell Commission), the General Zinni and Secretary of State Powell missions, and was heavily involved in discussions pertaining to the Quartet “Roadmap”, including monitoring mechanisms and other forms of third party involvement. Mr. Atallah lived and worked in Ramallah, in the Occupied West Bank, for two years during the recent conflict and has recently been stationed in Washington, D.C.

Jarat Chopra

Jarat Chopra was "Legal Counsel for Palestine, International Court of Justice Advisory Opinion on Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (Dec 2003-Mar 2004)."

*****

Most of the other members of SAI's "Board of Directors" have similar backgrounds. I did not see a single name there that I recognized as having any positive connection with Israel.

SAI is clearly a "pro-Palestinian" organization with an agenda. Presenting their report as fair and unbiased (and I know you weren't the only ones who did it - there was a similar article in the New York Times) is misleading. But it would take a much longer article than a letter to the editor to correct the misimpression.

******

Comments anyone?

#22 elbarto

"A car previous to the hybrid was a 77 Chevy Impala. Land Yacht. Between the leaking oil and the horible mileage..wow. The hybrid is penence(sp?)."

Don't tell me you're the guy that drives down the highway laying a black smoke screen a WWII destroyer would be proud of.

My current isn't much better. I needed to buy a van for my business and it gets slightly better mileage than a Saturn V rocket.

I really do want to get a car that will save me some $ at the pump but when I look at some of them... They would be crushed in an accident. I feel better having a lot of metal in front of me.

I saw something similar to this coming out of Canary Wharf station a few months ago. It read...

"Please mind your bags especially, if you are of middle eastern descent."

I asked one of the attendents and it was a real announcement.

You have to remember that our friends the Brits are not as badly infected with the PC bug... yet.

That is sad to see...I am beginning to worry because it is a Thursday.

On a different subject: Polygamy no fun, admits Ethiopian

An Ethiopian man with 11 wives and 77 children is urging people not to follow his example and is giving advice on family planning and contraception.

After seeing his fortune disappear under the competing demands of his enormous family, Ayattu Nure, 56, even urges people not to get married.

"I want my children to be farmers but I have no land, I want them to go to school but I have no money," he says.

But his eldest son has not heeded Mr Ayattu's advice and he has three wives........

Take a look at him...he looks so old and soooo tired! :)

#28 NYNana

"11 wives and 77 children"

Holy crap, it's a wonder his tallywacker didn't burst into flames.

#29 Apollo11

We'll never know..those robes cover everything...when he wears them!

In the 'this is totally insane' category, after the London bombings, we see this: Anger as Shankill bomber is released

One of the most notorious IRA killers of the Northern Ireland troubles was released from prison last night in a move designed to appease republicans on the eve of an expected statement from the terrorist groups.

Sean Kelly, the Shankill bomber who killed nine innocent people in 1993 when he blew up a fishmongers, walked out of prison as the horse-trading leading up to the IRA statement began in earnest.

IRA killer Sean Kelly on his release on licence in July 2000
Kelly's original sentence had been cut short when he was one of the prisoners released on licence as part of the 1998 Good Friday Agreement.

Last month, he was re-arrested on the orders of Peter Hain, the Northern Ireland Secretary, because it was suspected that he had become involved in terrorism once more.

His incarceration angered republicans, who have campaigned for him to be set free while the British and Irish Governments waited for the IRA's response to Gerry Adams's call for an end to the armed struggle.

But the release, which appeared to have taken place without being referred to the Sentence Review Commission, outraged unionists who claimed that it had been choreographed to pave the way for the IRA's declaration, expected today.

Jeffrey Donaldson, an MP for Ian Paisley's Democratic Unionist Party, said: "This was clearly and purely politically motivated by the Secretary of State who had reason to return Kelly to prison a few weeks ago.

"What then has changed? It's because the IRA is expected to make a statement.....

What will they do when they have all 4 or 5 failed homicide bombers in custody,give them a reality TV show?

Haven't they learned anything?

#29 Apollo11:

No kidding. I just finished reading "Around the World in 80 Days." When Phileas Fogg and party passed through Utah, "where polygamy is practiced by many," a man jumped on the train as it pulled away from the station. Passepartout took the liberty of asking him how many wives he had, and the young Mormon replied, "One, and that is quite enough!" (Or something like that. Too lazy to get the exact quote ATM.)

28 NYNana

He is reaping what he sowed.

29 Apollo

"tallywacker"

LOL

#30 NY Nana:

It's asshats like that, that make me ashamed to have any Irish blood in me at all.

I guess this means no more yelling Allah Akbar in a crowded theater, not that that was ever a shot in the dark.

#36 reader:

I guess this means no more yelling Allah Akbar in a crowded theater, not that that was ever a shot in the dark.

*rim shot*

I am assured that this is a real image, not a Photoshop remix.

I'm surprised no one has addressed the obvious here. It may not be a Photoshop job, but there's no reassurance that the sign itself wasn't fake to begin with. The following phrase especially set off my alarm bells:

or look a bit foreign

C'mon, think about it: would an official London Underground notice say "look a bit foreign." No way. That's absurd. The multi-culti PC euphemism police would simply never allow such a phrase in an official notice.

Since this was sent to Charles presumably by an anti-idiotarian, one should probably assume that the person who took the picture is not the same person who made the sign.

Instead, my theory is:

1. A British moonbat pilfered or somehow copied a blank official London Underground notice sheet.

2. As a "think-I'm-so-clever" piece of hoaxery, created a fake sign that purported to be from the LU management.

3. The hoaxer then surreptitiously placed the fake sign in a real tube station where passengers could see it.

4. Charles' friend-of-a-friend saw the sign and in all innocence thought it was real and took a picture.

5. The picture gets sent to Charles and posted here.

I have extremely attuned hoax-detecting skills, and can spot a fake from a mile off. The tone of the writing of this notice, and the understated left-slanted humor, is exactly the kind of thing a British moonbat would come up with.

Of course, I may be proven to be wrong, but until I see any additional evidence, I'm sticking by my theory. (If the LU later apologizes about the sign, naturally I'll abandon my notion. But for now I doubt that will happen.)

#28 Bubble Girl

It seems he needed a Weed Wacker&trade:!

#35 gus3

You are not a terrorist, and I would never equate anyone who is Irish with the IRA; this is very different than what is going on with the cult of islam..they are a threat to the world. BTW, I was caught up in an IRA raid in London. That is why, after 7/07, and last week, it is such a shock to see this happen. It sends an awful message to the homicide bombers in training and their accomplices.

I have a feeling that the Catholics in Ulster are not pleased, either.

PIMF! But it is 2AM, and I am off to sleep! G'nite, all!

What I meant to say was 'Weed Wacker™ , honest.

#26 Apollo

Need a new van? You can't go past the 1982 GMC, black of course with a red stripe:

Ultimate Van

41 O Neill

And it has a brushguard!

I don't find this at all funny, given that a person who was entirely innocent, had broken no laws and done nothing wrong was tackeld by plainclothes policemen and shot several times in the back of the head while he was being restrained on the ground. The review may well determine that the officers acted appropriately, but the way some people are making light of shooting foreign-looking people is just sick, in my opinion.

Thanks Zombie, I have had my doubts too since I first saw it late yesterday.

There is a news site that has the picture posted.
I'll see if I can find it again.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking that.

How about a sign reading 'please DO run on the platforms especially if you are an islamofascist cos you deserve to get shot and we'd love an excuse'

Of course, if a similar sign appeared in Israel the BBC would indignantly impute evil motives. The double standard is revolting.

Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke, estie!

#38 zombie

By Jove, I think you've got it.

#23 seadog - could ya be a bit more graph, I mean, specific? ;>)

#32 Bubble Girl - "he is reaping what he sowed" - ouch!

SEVENTY-SEVEN children? As Groucho Marx was reputed to say on his tv show, "geez, I love my cigars, but I take them out once in a while!
;>p

#43 PatHMV:

Too bad, so sad, life sucks. And if the cops hadn't dropped him, and he went on to kill a few more Tube passengers, we'd be hearing all over the place how the London bobbies didn't do their job, the same way we're still hearing about the FBI and the CIA dropping the ball before 9/11.

Stop being perpetually offended. Or, get used to having no credibility.

There are responsibilities in living, yes living in civilized society. WE all might have to sacrifice for the greater good.
For example, I don't liek being pulled out of line in foreign airports and having my dirty clothes (fold-over bag) bein looked at. BUT as a single male pax travelling alone...I am a "possibility".

Regarding the tube notice---
"Mind the GAP" ...

#43
The duty and responsibility of Police Officers is to protect the citizens.

The man should have stopped for the officers. He should have stopped.

If he had been a bomb carrying terrorist -- and they hadn't shot him . . . then you would be wondering why the officers didn't use deadly force -- and crying because the terrorist had killed innocent people.

He should have stopped.

The officers did the right thing.

#43

Its called a sense of humor. Get one.

PatHMV,

Hold a ballpoint pen in your hand like it was an icepick, with the button under your thumb. Tell me, just how much freedom of movement do you need to click it? Now, imagine that it was a detonator. Given what the cops in the Tube knew at the time, that this guy (a) had come from a building under surveillance, (b) was dressed inapropriately for the weather in clothes suitable for concealing a bomb vest, then (c) ran when the cops ID themselves & ordered him to stop, and (d) was hauling ass to the train that was part of the system that (e) had been unsuccessfully attacked the day before, they did exactly the right thing. It's certainly tragic, but given what could have happened had they not shot and had been wrong...

I call B.S. -- It looks like a Photoshop job to me.

#43 PatHMV:
I agree...
I think it's quite stupid that the police followed the suspect to a crowded place before they captured him.His death was mostly the fault of hesitation and political correctness.
What happened to the Brazillian guy is exactly like politics in Europe will unfold :Hesitating, following, waiting...until drastic measures are necessary.
BTW :that's definetally not an official sign.
An official sign will read: please refrain from bad looks towards muslims especially if you look a bit foreign (white).
If you do not follow this rule you will be kicked in the nutsack and we won't be losing sleep over it.
-Red Ken & Co-

#43 PatHMV

I don't find this at all funny, given that a person who was entirely innocent,

I thought there was still some question as to the entirety of the dead man's innocence. Has there been some sort of Mea Culpa by the police yet? Admittedly, I have not kept up with the story either.

And while certainly tragic if he is innocent, there is a lesson to be learned about the times we live in, as is learned everytime terror occurs on greater scale.

# 55 scooter mcgruder 
I call B.S. -- It looks like a Photoshop job to me.

Check out my comment #38 above, before coming to any final opinions. To me, the photo itself looks completely real. You are right to smell a hoax, but what is fake is the object being photographed. Photoshop jobs have a different patina to them -- it's very hard to fake that out-of-focus grainy look.

You are correctly reacting to something feeling "wrong" in the picture, but it is not a computer-manipulated image -- the hoax was entirely handmade.

#55
So what if it is?

#54 cybrludite
You're wasting your time. He doesn't want to understand the cops perspective. He is too busy pointing out the beam in his own eye to notice the knife wielding maniac coming in his direction at break-neck speed. But aren't his morals pretty.

#43

The cops had to shoot him in the head - it's the only way to assure a suspect won't detonate a bomb even while trying to restrain him.

And if you think this thread is "sick" - you ought to hear how doctors or cops joke around amongst themselves...you're one uptight little cookie.

It might be a hoax, but it occurs to me that if it is, it's also fair warning. They don't want to have to actually shoot any more innocent people.

#61
Here's whats not funny to me. Your nickname.

On next thread... Piniella has just posted he wants to see Bush swinging from the gallows.

ROTFLMAO!

#63 Bubble Girl:

Chimpanzees already know how to swing from things. In his world-view, he's just repeating himself.

(Not that LLL's don't mind doing exactly that, 24/7.)

Great warning sign. Saves lives. Saves bullets.

Oh, they forgot to add the following: "Don't play soccer in the Tube either."

This article is hillarious

"BRITISH SOCCER POLICE BEATS SOLO BRAZILIAN FORWARD 8-0 IN THE TUBE MATCH"

[Link: satire...] (dot) myblogsite.com/blog

Look at this, seems CAIR is on the P.R. offensive...

[Link: biz.yahoo.com...]

WASHINGTON, July 27 /PRNewswire/ -- On Thursday, July 28, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) will hold a news conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., to release a fatwa (Islamic religious ruling) against terrorism and extremism. The fatwa is being issued by the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA) and endorsed by major U.S. Muslim groups.
Representatives of the Fiqh Council, an association of Islamic legal scholars that interprets Muslim religious law, and leaders of several leading American Muslim organizations will take part in the news conference. (The term "fiqh" refers to Islamic jurisprudence.)

WHAT: Release of Fatwa Against Terror and Extremism/Release of CAIR Radio
Anti-Terror PSA

WHEN: Thursday, July 28, 10:30 a.m.

WHERE: National Press Club (13th Floor), Murrow Room, 529 14th Street NW,
Washington, D.C.

CONTACT: Ibrahim Hooper, 202-488-8787 or 202-744-7726, E-Mail: ihooper@cair-net.org

Do you need someone to call you a waaaambulance?

Are we that much different here? DWB, Driving while black? Where does the fault lay? The muslim community should be outraged that it comes to this, at the radical members of their faith that brought it on them.

#68

Seriously, can't you see what that looks like? Its just not funny, or poignant or anything. It doesn't refer to anything except dark, eerie, cold-blooded, depraved, etc., etc.
Yeah, excuse the h*** out of me, but when I think of that subject I get a little sad.
You should really think of changing that nic.

PS-

Mutter "Allah Akbar" and you're toast.

#43 PatHMV:

I don't find this at all funny, given that a person who was entirely innocent, had broken no laws and done nothing wrong was tackeld by plainclothes policemen and shot several times in the back of the head while he was being restrained on the ground. The review may well determine that the officers acted appropriately, but the way some people are making light of shooting foreign-looking people is just sick, in my opinion.

You're wrong.

The guy decided to do a runner into a tube station, when cops came up to him.

Turns out he was running because he was staying in the UK illegally (despite the Beeb's claims to the the contrary).

The cops couldn't know that. With the attempted bombings the day before, they sure couldn't take any chances and thus, the guy sadly died.

Basically though, that would be his own fault for not stopping when approached by the police.

That's all there is to it. Sad and regrettable, yes, but the guy's own fault.

#67 ether
Look for empty words, no real condemnation, at least one attack each on Israeli and U.S. policy, and the use of "but".

It could well be authentic. Those boards are in the lobby to each underground station. They are maintained by the current on shift staff, and I've seen humourous / sarcastic comments on them several times in the past. It's also quite common for the tube drivers to make amusing comments on the intercom system. What is certain is that the notice is not intended to be at all serious, and is as much a jibe at the police as anything else.

#72 Golden Jerusalem
At the very least, guilty of terminal stupidity (gratuitous pun included).
Someone needs to find out if the runner had reproduced. He may be eligible for a Darwin Award.

Actually, it refers to the name of Bela Lugosi's character in White Zombie. Then there's all those 70's cop shows that opened with some narrator going "Tonight's Episode: A Midsummer Night's- MURDER!" or "...A diagnosis of MURDER!" and "...Never Take a Wooden MURDER!", etcetera. On the contrary, I'd say that the word MURDER is a laugh riot.

Now there's a curious term- laugh riot. What mental image does it evoke? Frequently, during riots, there are numerous murders. So the term laugh riot should send you into a lather, too.

Then again, you could always loosen up. Recognize that the world is a dark, cruel and horrid place (and unfit for sacred cows of any kind), and laugh at it all just the same.

Oops! I thought this was a DEAD THREAD! Get it? Dead? Murder?...

#38 / #58 Zombie

I agree completely with your belief that this notice was a hoax, almost certainly an attempt at satire by one of the usual suspects. Wouldn't be difficult; in these troubled times, notice-boards with hastily-written announcements are all too prevalent on the Tube, and all he would need would be a felt pen and an air of authority.

However, there is one other possibilty: the staff on the Underground get a little frisky from time to time and create spoof announcements for the benefit of travellers. This could - just possibly - be one of them.

Tehran wants UN reform:

The Islamic Ummah (community) must not be silent in the current debate on reform of the United Nations. Failure to secure a permanent seat on the UN Security Council for a Muslim country would be a missed opportunity of colossal proportions.

...

The Islamic world should seek at least three permanent Security Council seats.

It goes on to state (wrongly) that there are 1.5 billion Muslims.

So when does the Vatican get a permanent "Catholic" seat?

Heh

[Link: securityfocus.com...]

#79 karmic_inquisitor
Better idea:
Disband the UN. Pax Americana!

Duh!

Got 9 more in London.

Hope the guys doing the questioning there aren't resorting to American Gulag torture tactics to get these guys to talk.

Rap music, Harry Potter readings, the puppet shows, a dog or two, maybe even a woman in the room - what savagery have the English resorted to in order to get so many arrests so quickly?

#76

But laugh riot is two words. You have no other way of recalling a reference, (whether to '70's cop shows or whatever), with just the one word. I appreciate gallows humor and sarcasm as much as the next guy, but there is no way to laugh at that word alone. Its not a matter of lightening up. Help the rest of us. Add another word to it that will help us instantly refer to something else.
I know that this is an open and anonymous forum, but c'mon. Work with us.
How do you know whether or not someone who posts here or reads this blog's friend or family member was a victim of murder and then all they see is that word. With no other way of referencing something else.

It has been disgusting to see Leftist politicians and our Leftwing policeme chief wring hands and apologise all week.

This idiot was in the wrong and was responsible for his won death.

For the Left, any use of force is wrong, even to protect freedon.

This photo is almost certainly a fake, but I go with the 'fake but true' rule here.

#81 American Soldier -

That or move it to one of Africa's capitals. That way the diplomats can get an idea of what part of the world they are trying to improve, and how dangerous most of the planet's dry surface area is.

You wouldn't catch Kofi Annan dead in Africa for more than a month. He likes his North Atlantic lifestyle too much.

83 karmic_inquisitor

what savagery have the English resorted to in order to get so many arrests so quickly?

British cuisine?
Day-old tea with soured milk?
BBC drama re-runs?

#86 karmic_inquisitor

catch Kofi Annan dead in Africa

Now that is a warm thought.

I guess it's not that important. So, how do you change your nic?

#76
Why didn't you call yourself Pedarest?
'Cuase its not funny, thats why.
See my point?

#87 American Soldier

BBC drama re-runs?

That's it! That is the secret - unlike here, they aren't allowed to fall asleep.

Another thought - they brought down the pig who stared in the movie "Babe" - the one who thinks he is a sheep dog. That has to be hard on the Islamist psyche - a pig that thinks it is a dog.

89 Murder
Watch the registration box closely, for open reg.

#91 karmic_inquisitor

That has to be hard on the Islamist psyche - a pig that thinks it is a dog.

Almost like the islamist pig that thinks it's human.

#89
Thank you for considering my point. I apologize for seeming to single you out, but these issues that are discussed on this site are deadly serious. We need gallows humor and sarcasm to help us deal with them. But its just seeing that word alone that creeps me out.
I'm not sure how to change a nickname, but I'm sure there is some easy way of doing it .
Again, thanks. And let me know what your new nic is when you get it.

Seems like kind of a bother since no one here likes me anyway, but I was ready for something new.

A bit of British History:
`On learning of this glorious, gallant and unparalleled action, members of both houses of the British Parliament rose in unison to pay homage to the great Indian soldiers. Each one of the 21 soldiers was posthumously awarded the Indian Order of Merit, the highest British gallantry award then given to Indian (equivalent to the Victoria Cross awarded to the British).

The story of this epic battle is taught to school children in France and is one of the eight stories of collective bravery published by UNESCO.
[Link: www.zafarnama.com...]

And after all that the Brits looked favourably on importing muslims (probably cos they were `wayward` christians).
And now it`s harvest time.

#95

Its not about you. Its about that nickname.

#95 Murder

Seems like kind of a bother since no one here likes me anyway, but I was ready for something new.

I really know very little about you; are you not likable or something?

`a pig that thinks it is a dog.`

It`s interesting in the sense that some `liberal` hindus think that Mo was an incarnation of Vishnu.
Which isn`t flattering Mo `cos another incarnation of Vishnu was a pig (boar).
Not very flattering to Mo.

#78 Loch Inkopf

the staff on the Underground get a little frisky from time to time and create spoof announcements for the benefit of travellers. This could - just possibly - be one of them.

That's exactly what it is. IMHO.
It's probably genuine, it's a gentle jab at the Police to make them trail the right suspect & a gentle jab at the travellers to use their common sense.

To everyone who thinks it's sick humour, oh my... there's a hell of a lot worse doing the rounds now.

====
Having said that, on my way to work this morning, at the tube station I start my journey on there were about 10 transport police checking the bags of young Asian men.

#95 Murder

Don't change your nic or anything else. STAY

#85 Londoner

This idiot was in the wrong and was responsible for his won death.

Wrong. It was the radical Islamic culture that brought this on. I don't know why everyone is so quick to say it's his own fault. He shouldn't have ran, he shouldn't have been in that building, he shouldn't have looked middle eastern. I don't know what happened, I wasn't there. I do know if that if a few muslim fanatics didn't kill 50+ people on July 7th this guy would still be alive.

#100 Smit

Having said that, on my way to work this morning, at the tube station I start my journey on there were about 10 transport police checking the bags of young Asian men.

I think "Asian" "men" should be in scare quotes.

#96 hutchrun - Am I missing something? Why would honouring 21 Sikh soldiers lead you to conclude

after all that the Brits looked favourably on importing muslims

#103 SwampWoman - ;) I, at the grand height of 5ft6 am taller than most of the asian men in my area...

90% of the Asians in my area are from Bangladesh, & we haven't had any Bengali 'splodeys yet.

#101

I probably wouldn'teven consider it if I didn't have a perfect new one in mind. Don't want to spoil it.

Of course, I've been posting under that name here for several months. One does get attached.

#105 Smit

#103 SwampWoman - ;) I, at the grand height of 5ft6 am taller than most of the asian men in my area...

And I, at the height of 5'9", am WAAAAY taller than most of the "Asian" men in my area. Stronger, too.

#98

I can be a little bit of a krank, sometimes. I admit that.

#106 Murder - Your nic always reminds me of this film Murder, she said.

And, while the world is fast asleep and while the EU is busy trading with Iran, rather than worrying about the storm clouds on the horizon, this lovely piece of news from the Islamic Republic:

Iran confirmed for the first time Wednesday that it has fully developed solid fuel technology in producing missiles, a major breakthrough that increases the accuracy of missiles hitting targets.

Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani told The Associated Press that Iran has made an "important step forward" in developing the technology, which provides the Islamic Republic with the ability to fire solid-fuel engine ballistic missiles like the Shahab-3.

The Shahab-3, with a range of 1,300 kilometers (810 miles) to more than 1,930 kilometers (1,200 miles), is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead and reaching Israel and U.S. forces in the Middle East.

#110 GJ

The Shahab-3, with a range of 1,300 kilometers (810 miles) to more than 1,930 kilometers (1,200 miles), is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead and reaching Israel and U.S. forces in the Middle East.

Looks like y'all still Iran Enemy #1, GJ!

#96 hutchrun:

Yeah dude, what's your point?

Sikhs aren't muslims...they're Sikhs.

#107 SwampWoman - 5'9" eh? - I can only get there in my stilletos (ouchie!)

Good that you're strong, I'm weak as anything - desk job - which I'm not happy about now.

Must.Toughen.Up.

#109 Smit

#106 Murder - Your nic always reminds me of this film Murder, she said

And here I was thinking of "Murder, She Wrote" with Angela Lansbury.

#106

If it's perfect...GO FOR IT!

I get cranky too...specially when msn doesn't report the entire story or msn ignores the story because said story doesn't suit (sp?) their (commie loving, socialist, mankind enslaving) purpose.

Damn bastards and their "entitlement taxes". GRRRRRRRR

110 Golden Jerusalem
Great. I doubt if my daughter even knows the way to her building's miklat. Not that most of them are of any use with nukes.

#113 Smit

Good that you're strong, I'm weak as anything - desk job - which I'm not happy about now.

Well, it is fun (though somewhat rude) to have an "Asian" man demand to carry the sheep he is purchasing as he is the man, and then drop it on him and watch him nearly fall down.

/Bwahahahaha.

Murder She Said
Murder She Wrote
even Murder (Bela Lugosi)
Thats fine. Just put something else along with that word. Murder.
Is that really too much to ask?

#112 Golden Jerusalem

Sikhs aren't muslims...they're Sikhs

Their scriptures do make reference to allah. What's with that?

Worse, I inexplicably mispell words like crank at an alarming rate.

#109

There are many word. Murder is one of those words. It's a versatile word; a noun and a verb. And people take notice of it like almost no other that's still legal to utter or write, I've found. If a person's real name was Murder, people would be in awe of him (or her?). And if that person was eventually the victim of murder, that's what you call a supreme irony. At some point, the suspect would be asked "Did you murder Murder?"

I always thought Sikh was an amalgam of Hindu and Islam. Is that right or wrong? Just asking.

#75 American Soldier:

Shalom lecha!

He may be eligible for a Darwin Award.

Now that is a very good point!

Funny thing was how the Beeb kept pushing a lie about how this guy was in the UK "perfectly legally", when it was really damn obvious that nobody in his right mind would take off from the cops like that, unless they had something to hide from the authorities.

The guy could have stopped when approached by the officers and the worst that might've happened to him would've been deportation back to Braziil, if that -- knowing UK immigration, I even doubt that.

Instead he chose personal extinction.

SwampWoman

Well, it is fun (though somewhat rude) to have an "Asian" man demand to carry the sheep he is purchasing as he is the man, and then drop it on him and watch him nearly fall down.

Oh the humiliaaaation!

LOL! - That's hilarious.

Right-
as fun as this is, I gotta catch some more z's.
Later, lizardoids.

#102 lowandslow

And then again, no one would have flown planes planes into buildings on 9/11 if James Earl Carter hadn't undermined the Iranian Shah. The point is that, while plausible, you just can't justify these sorts of chains of causation.

The simple fact of the matter is that this guy should not have run. As such, his death is entirely his own fault.

I kinda gotta go with sedandelivery's line on the nic "murder".

I've seen it around and I always thought it was a bit offensive and not really funny -- in fact, to me it seemed odd and pointless, but I never said anything. I just refrained from commenting on posts by that nic instead.

But since the cat's out of the bag, hey, that's my $0.02.

#104 smit & 112 Golden Jerusalem:

It`s like this. The sikhs/hindus (at least the ones i`m in touch with) in GB are pissed off with the mossie actions. This is primarily on account of them being similar to muslims in appearance `ceptin the religion.

When the migrations were going on the Hindus/Sikhs found it terribly difficult to get in compared to the Pakis/BanglaDeshis.

Now as the troubles increase the Hindus/Sikhs feel they are getting a bad name (i`m given to understand that a few temples and gurdwaras also got torched).

The strange thing is that the Sikhs or Hindus do not mix with the Pakis etc either - except on business.

Perhaps someone should go out and do a story on how this `minority` is handling it.

OT, but an excellent rant here.

The stuff fatwahs are made of! :)

SOTG

Sikhism v Islam

#119 The Guru Granth makes reference to Allah & Krishna & other Hindu gods.

#126 GJ

Exactly. Its not my job to tell people what to call or not call themselves, but whenever I come across that sort of nic, I just ignore it. If more people did, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

#123 Smit:

Oh the humiliaaaation!

Yeah, funny how "humiliation" seems to play a massive part in the warped moral code of our dear friends, the peace-loving worshippers of Allah.

Better to murder your own [daughter/mother/sister] than suffer "humiliation" or "dishonor".

It's the Dark Ages, and I'm not even kidding.

My understanding is that there's no love lost between the Sikhs and the moooslims, to put it mildly.

Same goes for hindus v moooslimes, perhaps even more so.

#126

I understand where you're coming from, and I felt the same way for a little while.

But, and you knew this was coming, everyone has to be their person and personality.

People have questioned me on my nic as well.

Go Murder!

Good morning Dead Threaders.

# 110 Golden Jerusalem

Fear not. Israel's traditional alliance with Fwance is to be restored and the Fwench will talk the Iranians out of using those evil nuclear nucular weapons.

I hope you all saw what I posted earlier in this thread.

The Middle East's only democracy in the summer of 2005. Got this from a cousin in Shilo:

Dear friends,

I am writing you in connection with my 14 year old daughter Chaya who has
spent the past 3 weeks of her summer vacation in jail. No,no, she hasn't
murdered anyone. Nor did she steal anything, assault anyone or sell drugs.
All she did was go to a demonstration in " the only democracy in the middle
east". Here is how it happened.

On 22 Sivan 5765 {29.06.05} Chaya decided to lend moral support to her
friends who went to protest Ariel Sharon's plan to expel Jews. What follows
is a direct quote from the official indictment filed against Chaya. She is
accused of standing on a sidewalk while her friends proceeded to block
traffic. After her friends were arrested a policewoman asked Chaya to leave
the area. Chaya refused, saying that she wasn't doing anything illegal, that
she had every right to stand on "every inch of the Land of Israel". The
policewoman, unimpressed, warned Chaya that if she didn't leave immediately
she will be arrested. To which Chaya replied:" So, shut up and arrest me
then". That's it. This is the case that the State of Israel has against
Chaya. And, because Chaya participated in a similar demonstration once
before, the State prosecutor asked the juvenile court to remand Chaya into
police custody UNTIL THE END OF LEGAL PROCEEDINGS AGAINST HER - a process
that can last for MONTHS! What is truly unbelievable is than this
unprecedented request was granted. Judge Dalya Korn wrote a 10 page
dissertation about the danger to society inherent in Chaya's disregard
towards the law passed in the Knesset (Sharon's expulsion law). That,
combined with the fact that Chaya participated in a similar "unlawful"
demonstration before, has made her into a REAL PUBLIC DANGER, thus
justifying her imprisonment until the end of the legal process.

To understand the severity of the above decision one must know that, as a
rule, an average ADULT criminal - be he a thief, rapist, or a drug dealer -
is never kept in jail until the end of proceedings. Even if he is a repeat
offender, and even if he repeats the same crime while he's awaiting his
trial! The worst they usually get slapped with is a house arrest. And
juvenile offenders are treated even more leniently.

The above holds true for all criminals, except for those whose crimes are
"IDEOLOGICALLY BASED". And, according to the State prosecutor's words,
herein lies Chaya's true danger to the society. you heard it right. What is
even more outrageous is that the judge agreed!

Shocked and outraged at this clearly political ruling we appealed the
decision. Our appeal went all the way to the Supreme Court of Israel. Judge
Procaccia, who heard the case, upheld the decision. The only leniency and
compassion that comrade Procaccia agreed to show Chaya was that she could be
released from jail to a house arrest - BUT NOT TO HER PARENTS' HOME.
Ignoring the fact that neither of the parents has any family in Israel ( we
are both immigrants ), comrade Procaccia declared that Chaya must be sent
"far away from this area of volatile emotions if she wants to get out of
jail".

The most outrageous part of her decision was her agreement with the
prosecution that Chaya represents a "danger to the society because of her
ideological motivation". This is coming from a judge who had absolutely no
problems releasing not only common criminals, but even terrorists with blood
on their hands! Over the past few months alone Israeli government released
hundreds of these beasts, and even though appeals for filed against this
release, Procaccia and co. upheld the decision of the government. She never
made the removal of these beasts from the " area of volatile emotions" a
condition for their release. They were allowed to go back home. Comrade
Procaccia is sure THEY won't be dangerous to our society anymore.

To be continued....

Btw, since the cops are now searching bags at metro/tube stations, what sort of safeguards are there that suicidal RoPers don't blow up right then at there at the search points?

My guess is none, which is why these guys deserve our utmost gratitude.

Part 2

Just in case you think that this may have been some kind of a judicial
freak mishap - don't. What is happening in Israel right now is a FULL
COOPERATION between the justice system and the ruling clique aimed at
breaking any minimal resistance to the proposed expulsion of Jews. There is
no other way to explain comrade Procaccia's decision to keep Chaya in jail,
because the maximum punishment that Chaya faces on these charges, if
convicted, would be some monetary fine. And to await this punishment she
must stay in jail!

What is it like for a 14 year old to be in jail? Well, for the first week -
including Shabbat - Chaya was kept in solitary confinement. She was not
allowed to shower or call home. We could not send her clean clothes. The
food she was given was not on the level of kashrut she could eat. For the
first two weeks she was not allowed to have a fan in her cell - that's in
the stifling, muggy Ramle summer, with temperatures reaching the high 90's.
She is bored to tears and immobilized by the heat. Once a week she has to go
through the degrading procedure of her cell being searched, with male
jailers rummaging through all her personal belongings. She is not allowed
out of her cell in the evenings, which means she has to eat her Friday night
meal in the darkness of her cell. As of now we are not allowed to bring her
any food from the outside, which means she gets almost no fruits or
vegetables. We are only permitted to visit her for a half hour every
week.This is how this young girl is being forced to spend her summer
vacation - and I could go on and on.

If the above shocks you and you want to help Chaya - here's what you can do.

Since the Supreme court issued its ruling, there isn't much that can be done
in terms of an appeal. The way to help Chaya now is by raising a public
outcry over this political persecution. This process has two parts: 1.
political/informational and 2. financial.

1. a.You, or anyone else you know can forward this information to any news
media, especially newspapers, in your area. Try to get them interested
enough to interview me via telephone or e-mail.
b. Turn to your politicians and demand they publicly condemn this
outrage. Let me know if they do, and I will publicize it here in Israel.
c. If you frequent a synagogue, ask the Rabbi to explain the case to
the congregants, hold a prayer vigil, ask the Rabbi to write a letter of
condemnation over this blatant political abuse.
d. Organize a protest at the Israeli embassy closest to you.
e. Forward this message to as many friends as you can.

2. There are a number of ways to keep the Chaya's plight in public eye here
in Israel.
a. Poster pastings all over Israel with Chaya'a picture, demanding her
immediate release. It costs about $400 to print 1,000 large color posters
and another $150 to paste them up. Initially, I'd like to paste up the areas
around Maasiyahu prison where Chaya is held, and around the courthouses
where her case is likely to be heard. Every time she is driven to a hearing,
she'll see the posters and know there are people who care about her.
Depending on the available budget we will paste up along major highways,
shopping malls, etc., asking people to write Knesset members and Supreme
Court judges to demand Chaya's release.
b. Newspaper ads. I'd like to have ads running in major newspapers,
counting days that Chaya is in prison, and asking people to do the actions
described above.

To be continued...

Part 3

I have estimated that I'll need approximately $8,000 to start this
campaign and keep it going for the first month. If you, or anyone you know
can help to defer a part of this cost please send your donations to:
Moshe Belogorodsky
House # 310
Shilo, Israel 44830

My telephone numbers in Israel are:
home 972-2-994-7673
cell 972-52-444-3929
My e-mail address is ydf@013.net.il
If you want to make your donation tax deductible please send it to:
Am Yisrael Chai Foundation (
please write "freedom for Chaya" in the memo section of the check )
6 Hazel Place
Woodmere N.Y. 11598

Thru the self sacrifice of Chaya and her friends may we merit a
speedy Redemption of our People.

I reckon its the real thing, it is not unknown for signs on the Underground to reflect the sense of humour of the staff, and this one sounds about right.

#133 rtCO

Hmmm. Go rtCO
Go Murder

Oh I don't know. The first just has a different ring to it. Somehow less jarring.

#127 hutchrun - you're right. E.g. the Punjabis (Sikhs) of Newham {E.London} are not very happy {understatement} about being mistaken for Muslims.

However it's almost impossible to differentiate between a young sikh & a young muslim if neither are religiously observant.

White shell suits & a burberry baseball cap...

#133

It's important to keep people here a little on edge, isn't it? How could I forget that?

#133 rtCO

Absolutely right, everyone's free to call themselves whichever way they please.

But at the same time GJ, myself and others are free to ignore such people.

#133

BTW- I seem to be a little slow on the deciphering: rtCO?

#132 Golden Jerusalem - Yep, no love lost between Muslims & Sikhs, Muslims & Hindus, Muslims & everybody really.

Just thinking for a second, who do muslims get on well with? What other religion? Or what non-muslim nation bordering the ummah has peacefull ties? - There must be some!

#140

LOL...just a little bit different. :)

#134 Carl in J'lem:

Heh, yes, I saw that the French were slamming both Iran (the other day) and more recently, Syria.

Let's see 'em put their money where their mouth is and stop blocking the Hezb'allah being added to the EU list of terror organizations.

I, for one, am not holding my breath.

#21 cranky - ""Additionally, please do not publicly denounce Western civilization .."

That rules out Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, Land, Parshall, Tony Perkins, the Creationists, the "Intelligent" Design morons...who am I leaving out?

#148 pinniella

"...who am I leaving out?

Jane Fonda.... Oh h***, the entire left side of the political spectrum. Thats who you're leaving out.

What Crankyobjectivist actually said was:

"Additionally, please do not publicly denounce Western civilization in the station unless you can produce proof of being a Labor Member of Parliament or on the Guardian editorial board."

Twas a joke.

Oops! I forgot one - G.W. Bush for his "the jury is still out" comment about evolution.

#144 Murder
It's inits with my state.

#145 Smit:

Just thinking for a second, who do muslims get on well with?

Rhetorical question, right? :>)

Btw, the few Sikhs I've known were some of the most decent people ever and for the same reason I have great respect for them.

#150 smit - "Twas a joke."

The people I listed aren't jokes, they're maggots on the body politic of Western Civilization.

Oh dear,

Pinhead!

#144 Murder

I'm a little slow this time of $#@*& morning too.

Cranky -

BTW, Tony Blair is a Labour (note correct spelling) member of Parliament.

#153

I live right here in the shadow of NORAD, myself.

#154 pinhead:

Don't you know there isn't such a thing as "Western civilization"?

The arabs invented civilization, moron, and we stole it from them and then we killed the indians and stuff.

#154 pinniella

Dehumanizing rhetoric. What a surprise.

#159 golden - "Don't you know there isn't such a thing as "Western civilization"?"

? Then who's responsible for Ray Charles?

Smit:

Especially for you, from Football365:

Nowhere more pungent is the smell of panic than at St James' Park (no, not the one in Exeter). Souey has sold all his players and only bought Scott Parker and Emre, who will have to take on the opposition single-handedly along with Alan Shearer, who will no doubt be in some kind of bath-chair contraption just to remind us how old he is now.

Read the Whole Thing, For It is Pretty Funny

A poll on the same site has 48% of respondents rating Spurs as the most likely side to challenge Chelski, Manure, Arse and Pool for a top-four finish!

#161 pin:

Then who's responsible for Ray Charles

Easy. Africa, of course. And credit to the arabs too for inventing the piano and the sunglasses.

#153 Golden Jerusalem. -Yeah, me too - lots of good Sikh friends.

We are a martial race, no doubt," he says, gesturing at the ceremonial dagger that, like the turban and the beard, remain central to the Sikh male identity.

"But that does not mean we are violent," says Mr Singh. "You can fight in many ways. Manmohan Singh is going to fight against poverty."

"Our Guru has said: When a Khalsa (Sikh) is the ruler, no one shall suffer poverty or persecution," he says.

British Sikhs salute Indian success

#161

Tell me about it! Everything that isn't Western Civilization sucks ass! You think a Ray Charles would have been produced by a 'Slim country? He would have ended up as some hate-spewing cleric rotting away in a Western Civilization prison. Piniella and I are in agreement. GO USA!

#158
Shadow....hmmm

Shadow of NORAD....hmmm

Keep Murder....maybe CAP it

I'm practicing my appeasement policy and it ain't working

Appeasment sucks....specially concerning tangos that want me to observe their F'ed up religion and all around BS.

Be MURDER...maybe you can be all caps

I'm in the shadow of liberal commie Denver and Boulder (26 sq miles surrounded by reality). If you include Denver then it's probably 300+ sq miles w/ longmont, aurora, parker, highlands ranch, etc all full of sheeple ready to give their tax dollars to a
gov't that will redistribute it to bunch of lazy azz crackwhores in the innercity.

Brits - especially students - have a passion for pranks of this kind. Recently in my college someone hung a picture of Mr T among the pictures of eminent physicists - same style of B&W, complete with a suitable frame.

Gee piniella, the tone of your posts have changed since 2 hours ago.

You're not passing your password around to various posers are ya?

Golden -

it's hard to attract anyone to the place, which is usually the point at which a desperate man calls Anelka's agent.

LOL! - It's funny cos it's true!

Got a good feelin' about this season.

Over in Malaysia it`s TEA TIME:

Stuck inside these four walls, trapped inside forever,
Never seeing no one free again like you,
Mama you, mama you.
If I ever get out of here,
Thought of giving it all away
To a sanctioned religion.
All I need is a pint a day
If I ever get out of here.
[Link: www.laotze.blogspot.com...]

`I don`t have trust in you even equivalent to a drop (of water). Your army general and advisor (who came to me with your oaths on koran) were all telling lies.

If anyone trusts (you) on oath of Koran, that person is doomed in the end.`
-Zafarnama [Link: www.zafarnama.com...]

I drive through Denver frequently. It's appalling that we let the insane people out of our asylums and put them to work as developers. Yeegad the sprawl is breathtaking. Like a friend of mine says, millions upon millions of people stuck in homes they can't make the paments on, isolated in some cultural vacuum that isn't part of a city, town or community. The air-conditioned nightmare.

Egypt's Mubarak seeks fifth term

I thought he was having King Fahd stylee health problems?

Oh & I hope VtheK captions that photo.

Testing, 1, 2, 3, ... This thing on ? Morning, dead thread. Afternoon, Israel.

GOLDEN -

No, the piano was invented by an Italian named Bartolomeo Cristofori of Padua, Italy, around 1720.

Sunglasses were invented by The Blues Brothers.

:-)

# 175

Nonsense - doesn't explain B&L Aviators.

I love sunglasses - The pair I am wearing today {due to migrain, not sun} are B&L Ray Ban Wayfarers that my Aunt bought for me when I was going through my James Dean obsession when I was 12.

=====

Chairman of the Birmingham Central Mosque missed a good chance to STFU.

On Wednesday, Dr Naseem said there was no excuse for terrorism.

" But having said that, and to maintain this unity of purpose, it is essential that the process of law should be independent, open and transparent.

Tony Blair had lied over Iraq. Now we cannot give our blind trust to the government. I don't think al-Qaeda exists because we Muslims all over the world have not known this organisation," he said"

The only information about this organisation is coming from the CIA. Now, the CIA is not known for telling the truth

Call for mosque chairman to quit

#175 pin:

No, no, you've got it all wrong, see:

WESTERN is bad and can by definition not be described as civilization.

The Italian bloke obviously stole the idea from the arabs and never paid 'em royalties either.

Arabs traveling in the hot sunny deserts invented sunglasses and eeeevil westerners stole that idea, too.

Arabs invented maths too, you know!

I think the first concept of fumigated glasses to protect from strong sunlight is almost as old as glasses themselves.

IIRC, certain populations used a translucent material such as alabaster to make protective disks to be inserted in a leather mask.

Hey Mike,

How're you doing?

Are you still in Karachi, btw?

I thought I heard something to that effect.

NOTE: In case anyone failed to pick up on that, < sarc > tags should be inferred, when reading my responses to piniwhateverealla

Finally some people are starting to get it.

THE TRAGEDY OF ISLAM.

I take no pleasure in saying it. It pains me to think it. I could very well lose my job in talk radio over admitting it. But it is the plain truth:

Islam is a terror organization.

Yes, I am afraid that it is.

...the first concept of fumigated glasses to protect from strong sunlight...

& we're back to Edgar Davids. Go Spurs! Edgar

# 180 GJ

Nope, I escaped from there last Saturday. Now back in the States, fitfully working on the report (on my own time, I might add) and waiting to see which particular hellhole I will be condemned to next. Kuwait looks to be the # 1 contender at the moment.

#184 Mike

Kuwait isn't that bad, I've been told.

I mean, I've heard of a guy who was sent to North Korea by his company...

#183 Smit:

Nice connection there!

Mind you, arabs invented football as well.

Yes it's true. They used to play footie with the heads of beheaded infidel enemies! Then eeeevil westerners came along and stole the idea and completely ruined the game!

No wait, ruining the game - that would be the responsibility of Mr. Abrahamovich -- A JEW!

YOU SEE?

Wasn't there a troll by the nic of "Murder" who got banned (maybe pre-registration)?

#185 Fabio C.:

I mean, I've heard of a guy who was sent to North Korea by his company...

Now that sounds like bucketloads of fun!

What, no picture icons? Why not a little picture of a bomb with a little X through it. Or perhaps, one of scattered limbs with a line through it.

Get real U.K. you've got a huge problem with your [bigoted word]s and it's time to deal with it - not hanging signs.

Pasta (similar to the modern version) apparently was brought to Italy by the Arabs, but it's not clear whether they invented it or just learnt about dried pasta someplace else.

#178 golden - "Arabs invented maths too, you know!"

They invented algebra to piss Rayra off!

# 185 FabioC.

Oh, in most respects, Kuwait would beat Pakistan all to hell. The one drawback is no nice, cold beer after work. Bummer. But there are now roughly 10,000 US military stationed there, and I have heard rumors that it is not really impossible to acquire things on the sly, so I am trying to determine just how true that may be. After all, one can live without a Mongolian hooker bar - a simple room stash and use of the mini-bar fridge will work just fine, so long as one can dispose of the empties in a manner that doesn't bring legal action.

# 185 FabioC. & # 188 GJ

Hey - don't get me wrong here. There are FAR worse places I could land than Kuwait or Pakistan, believe me. Some oil biz locales are not very nice. But as you said (yesterday ?) GJ, I just like to complain.

#190 Fabio C.

I believe the Chinese take credit for the invention of pasta. It's a variation of their noodles.

#186 Golden J - True, True. I read somewhere on the 'interweb' that Arabs invented cheese, and the concept of zero. That Neil Armstrong heard the call to prayer when he landed on the Moon {sponsored by emirates airlines} and reverted to Islam because it was so beautiful.

Once you get your head around the concept that everything good in the world was invented by Muslims and everything bad in the world is the fault of the Jews and their American & British western allies, you can really start loving Big Brother...

And then you're ready to read the Daily Kos.

#194 Dan Gummitt - Yes but who invented noodles? Muslims, I'm 95% positive.

;)

# 195 Smit

I think the Indians have a piece of that "inventing zero" claim. The odd thing is that Arabic uses ostensibly Indian numerals, while damned near everybody else uses Arabic numerals. Go figure.

#190 Fabio C.:

Pasta (similar to the modern version) apparently was brought to Italy by the Arabs, but it's not clear whether they invented it or just learnt about dried pasta someplace else.

There you go! And Marco Polo took all the credit!

And here's another one: Danish pastry!

Not Danish at all! The Turks (muslims) invented that!

(May be the real reason -- the root cause, if you will -- why AQ are threatening to bomb Italy and Denmark, btw)

I fully understand the feelings of humiliation seething and fermenting in the muslim world! A millenia+ of grave injustice, perpetrated against hapless muslims!

I think, that the most common shape of pasta used in Italy was kinda flat (lasagne) or maybe tubular (macaroni), until Marco Polo brought back from China the concept of long and thin pasta - spaghetti or noodles.

But I'm not sure; I've never read a serious essay on the subject.

#197 Mike C - Yeah, I think the Arabs borrowed the Indian maths ideas & held onto them.

# 200 Smit

Indians were pretty good at that sort of thing. Still are, for that matter. Good food, too.

#200 Smit:

Yeah, I think the Arabs borrowed the Indian maths ideas & held onto them.

On a serious note:

Yep, they also borrowed quite a bit from ancient Greece, which, over 2,000 yrs ago, had some rather outstanding mathematicians as well.

Pythagoras, for one - how I used to hate those damn geometry formulas.

# 202 GJ

"Plagerism is the root of all culture."

In fact, math and arithmetics are Greek words:

The word "mathematics" comes from the Greek μάθημα (máthema) which means "science, knowledge, or learning"; μαθηματι&# 954;ός (mathematikós) means "fond of learning".

Explains a lot, much of the math I was taught was all Greek to me, ha-hah!

#187, DuH

Wasn't there a troll by the nic of "Murder" who got banned (maybe pre-registration)?

After searching, it seems I was mistaken. Carry on, then.

#199, FabioC

I think, that the most common shape of pasta used in Italy was kinda flat (lasagne) or maybe tubular (macaroni), until Marco Polo brought back from China the concept of long and thin pasta - spaghetti or noodles.

I'd think the Italians get credit for all the various extruded pastas. The Chinese don't much bother with any noodles you can't make by cutting the flat sheet or stretching the dough.

#204 Golden - & we still use Greek letters in many formulae!

The Guardian is pushing the "Muslims are Victims of Racist Britain" line rather strongly now.

Armed police 'pushed elderly Muslim woman'

A Muslim woman suffered a suspected heart attack after plain-clothes armed police allegedly pushed her when she tried to shield her grandson from guns they were pointing at him

OUTRAGE! Human rights violation!

Son-in-Law is possibly linked with the 21/7 attacks and has fled the country, but you have to read to the end of the article to find that out.

# 206 AI

Ah, I was beginning to think this thing was broken. 'Morning back at you.

No way is this notice written by TFL (transport for london) officials. No way.

Latest news is that the guy was wearing a denim jacket (we've had some hot weather over here.. it's an inferno on the tube even if it's raining outside) and did not leap the turnstiles: he had a season ticket.

Yes, I think that extruded pasta is an Italian exclusive. Teflon nozzles for current qualities and bronze ones for fine pastas...

#208 Smit:

When it comes to al-Guardian, nothing surprises me -- in fact, it's what I'd expect from them.

Weren't they the ones who hired a member of Hizb-ut-Tahrir and let him write a column on July 8 about the "sassy" young mussie splodeys of today?

# 207 Dar ul Harb

Actually, the truly fresh, made on the spot noodles I had in China were produced by a guy holding a big lump of dough and shaving them off with a little device not unlike a vegetable peeler directly into the pot. I bear witness to the fact that those folks sure do know how to make some great-tasting noodle stuff ! Wish I could find such food here.

Speaking of pasta, tonight I'll have mine with a fiery sauce I prepared last night, eh...

# 211 & # 212 AI

Ah, come on - don't hold back ! Tell us how you really feel !

#211 AI:

ARABS INVENTED NOTHING ! ! !

Hey there and good morning!

I'm glad we're on the same page, lol :>)

# 216 FabioC.

Ah, now - pasta ! Thanks for hitting me with the clue bat ! I was wondering what the hell to do about dinner, and here I haven't had any decent pasta in over a month. Problem solved !

#211,

The leftists are having a field day with the fact that foam fell of the fat orange fuel tank, and think it is a giant failure...

As you may know, the external tank wasn't originally orange. In a few early flights it was white because it was painted. Someone had the bright idea that leaving the paint off the external tank would save money and allow the shuttle to carry more since it wouldn't have to lift the weight of the coating. Makes me wonder now whether that decision to modify the design was a mistake, and that a coating might help with the structural integrity of the orange insulation, as well as possibly reducing drag somewhat...

40 goats for Chelsea Clinton. Anyone higher?

40 goats for Chelsea Clinton

In 2000 when Chelsea, her father and mother, now Senator Hilary Rodham Clinton, visited East Africa, Chepkurgor, then a Fourth Year student at Moi University, tried to make his intention clear. He wrote to Clinton, offering himself as a suitor for Chelsea. He offered to pay 20 head of beef cattle and 40 goats to the Clintons in accordance to African traditions.

The difference in this sign between well-intended common sense and multi-culti BS is the "or" before the third clause. It should be "and". Psychologically, the writer is trying to minimize the probable-cause of the decision making process the police went through prior to firing. The implication is that the police, according to the moonbat writer, simply shoot foreigners, "or" anybody with a backpack, "or" people who wear thick coats. Of course, the moonbat forgets to add "or run away from police who order them to stop". That is, "and".

ARABS INVENTED NOTHING ! ! !

They invented Islam.

:P

The Guardian is a cesspool

Mmmmm...Pasta.

Nine Nabbed in British Terror Raids

Anti-terrorist officers arrested nine men in raids early Thursday in connection with the botched July 21 attacks on London's transit system, bringing to 20 the number of people police have in custody, including one of the alleged bombers.

# 222 Dar ul Harb

If I remember correctly, only the first shuttle flight had the tank painted white.

# 226 Smit

I think they may have a claim on the discovery of sand, too.

GUSH KATIF VIEWPOINT July 27, 2005
ROUNDUPS OF JEWS
by Rachel Saperstein

Our community phone message system is in operation most of the day. Notices of prayer meetings, protest gatherings, organized meetings between soldiers and settlers, births, deaths, controlled explosions, ‘take cover’ because of Arab bombardment, ‘return to normal’ (or what passes for normal here)… all these and more are reported to us.

But most frightening of all was the notification last night that police and soldiers were scouring the Gush Katif communities to round up Jews who are labeled illegals – those who entered without permission, or stayed beyond the time permitted on their permits.

The police have no search warrants” the voice on the phone from the Local Council tells us, “don’t let them into your home.”

Each day the rules become stricter, the decrees more draconian, the police more brutal.

Today we were told that personal friends are no longer allowed into Gush Katif. Only close relatives – a child, a parent, a sibling – will be permitted to visit. Residents entering or leaving Gush Katif must show identification at four different checkpoints. Non-compliance, or compliance not speedy enough to suit the police, is treated brutally.

My friend U., a 57-year-old grandmother, refused to show her ID and was dragged from her car by four policemen and beaten, then arrested and charged with trying to run them down with her car. Allowed to return home hours later, covered in bruises, she sat and wept. In two weeks she will be subjected to the sight of her 15-year-old son’s remains being disinterred from the Katif cemetery.

Mr. K. was in the act of showing his ID when a policeman demanded he turn off the motor of his vehicle. Mr. K asked to keep it running so the air conditioner could protect his small children from the intense heat. Mr. K was dragged from the vehicle and arrested for non-compliance with a police order. His children were returned to their mother. He is under house arrest at the home of a relative in Beersheba. His right to return home has been nullified.

Teenagers, both residents and visitors, are routinely beaten. The fear of a beating is used as a deterrent to keep people out of the ghetto called Gush Katif.

The government’s heavy hand is experienced over and over. Sharon’s private police force, the Nachshon Brigade of the Israel Police, trained in ‘following orders’ practiced their skills as headbreakers arresting foreign workers. Cleansed of all feelings, these uniformed thugs will be leading the forces mercilessly expelling us from our homes.

In three weeks our health clinic will close down.
In three weeks the sole bank will close down.
In three weeks postal service will end.

The government has sporadically shut down our telephone and internet service. Our electricity and water will follow. We are already filling empty cola and juice containers with water for that day.

Sharon’s private army and police are sweeping down on us. We are to be separated, sterilized and broken at all cost.

This roundup of Jews is the first step in the eviction of Jews from Jewish Gaza and northern Samaria, to be followed by the eviction of Jews from all of Judea, Samaria, the Golan Heights, east Jerusalem. To be followed by even worse…

Yet we keep our spirit of humanity alive. We smile at one another. We smile though the shelves in our stores are increasingly bare. We do our laundry, change the sheets, cut the grass. We listen to Torah lectures. Thus we keep our humanity and sanity.

Where are you, my fellow Jews? Where are you, my Christian friends? Where are your protests as democracy is destroyed in our holy land of Israel?
######################################
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#222

I don't think that is the issue. Getting rid of paint is something done quite often to save weight: some airlines use bare-metal airplanes, and Mercedes scraped paint off their race cars sometime in the '50s.

The point is that the old formulation of the insulating foam contained CFCs, and it was changed because it was deemed environmentally unfiendly. But, the new formulation does not perform as well as the old one. Just out of the top of my head, a possible solution could be to reinforce the foam layer with plastic mesh (or fibers), but I'm not sure about its feasibility.

That certainly is a lovely sign you've posted, Mr. Tube Station Master. However, don't you believe its effectiveness would be heightened if it were printed in Arabic?

#228, Mike C.

If I remember correctly, only the first shuttle flight had the tank painted white.

STS-3 was the first orange tank.

Carl in Jerusalem - I've read all of your posts. I'm sorry. If the majority of Israelis don't want this to happen then it shouldn't. There should have been a national referendum on the plan before it got to here.

From here & now tho', I don't see how it could be stopped.

# 234 Dar ul Harb

I stand corrected.

#230 Carl in J'lem:

Where are you, my fellow Jews?

I'm right here, representing the 811 in 812 Israelis who do not live in Gaza, yet over the years have given their lives to defend your home, have paid higher taxes so you could pay less and on the whole been very patient with you.

8,000 people cannot be allowed to hold an entire nation hostage to their utopia of living surrounded by over a million arabs.

You'll get a new home -- and once again, I, the Israeli tax payer, will have to foot the bill.

Afternoon.

Been a while since I've been able to say this: that photo is "Fake but accurate".

Not convinced it hasn't been shopped. Underneath the "All Day" is a white splodge which you'd get by using the cloning tool badly to cover up existing writing. Or it could just be bad jpeg compression. Either way it's been faked - on a PC or by a joker...

Sorry if it's a repost, but this has to be a fairly rough way to wake up - from The Times of London:

The first that Todd knew of the armed police raids in Tooting before dawn in which nine people were arrested under the Terrorism Act was the barking of police dogs being unloaded from a van outside his front door.

He thought it was his imagination and went back to sleep. Minutes later, he was woken again by a loud splintering noise as his back garden fence in South London was broken down. It was 4.30am.

He went out to investigate and in the dark he saw figures bursting out of the back door of the terraced house diagonally opposite.

"There was a big fight or a scuffle, crashing and banging, and shouting," said Todd, 38, a cheesemaker, whose flat in Gilbey Road backs on to the rear of the terraced house in Garratt Terrace where six arrests were made.

"I was scared. I suppose it was the police fighting with the people in the house to try to stop them escaping. All I could see was figures crashing around. They broke through my fence and the fence of the next door neighbour."

And here's the killer bit:

Subash Patel, a taxi driver who often parks his car in Garratt Terrace as it is opposite the 24 hour office of Airport Car Hire, said: "There were always lots of people coming and going. Apparently there was about 15 people living there. You would see them sitting outside on the wall when it was fine weather. Sometimes they came out traditional dress, when they had been praying. We saw them out there about a week ago."
...
On the electoral roll only two men, both with Asian names, are registered as living at the property in Garratt Terrace.

Yup. 2 blokes with 13 'friends' staying over. Hmmm.

Altogether now: "There were 15 in the bed and the jihadi said 'roll over, roll over...'"

Carl,

Remember my post on the dead thread y'day about the disgusting rhetoric used by some of the orange people and their blasphemic comparisons between the evacuation of 8,000 people to new homes and the Nazi death camps?

Well, here we go again:

Some residents of the northern Gaza settlement of Elei Sinai said Thursday they planned to wear Nazi concentration camp prisoner uniforms when security forces evacuate them from their homes during the disengagement.

There's something sooo wrong with these people's sense of proportions and I think it's a crime.

Good Morning Friends!

Michelle Malkin has linked to this.

# 235 Smit

Yes, there should be a referendum. After all, if there's so much support for it, no one should be afraid of a referendum, right? But that's what Fat Arik thought when he did a referendum with the Likud - the polls said 60% would support him so he promised to abide by the results. But 60% went against him and he had to chop a few heads to avoid abiding by the results. Can't take that chance again, can we?

/sarc

{loppydee!}

Iraqi boy wounded by unexpolded American bomb salutes Pres. Bush:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Article:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

OT (Well related to Great Britain)

IRA says ceasing all armed activity in N.Ireland

Would that include bar room murders and bank heists?

# 239 Golden Jerusalem

Yes, it's a little out of proportion. Thank G-d, the Jews of Gaza are not being deported to death camps. I would say that the expulsion from Spain/England/choose your Eurabian country is probably a better comparison. Still not exactly the same, but closer.

But a crime?

Pirkei Avot says that you shouldn't judge people by their actions in moments of anguish. Having not been in their shoes (and I don't think you've been either), I would cut them a little slack rather than passing judgment.

# 240 loppyd

Good morning Loppy! Great game yesterday, huh? And the Hated Yankees lost again :-) It's almost August and we're in first place!

#242 Carl in J'lem:

You're distorting facts.

60% of the Likud voters would mean 60% of app. 35% of Israeli voters in total, which would be only 21% of the electorate.

I agree that there should have been a referendum, but to my knowledge, nothing in Israel's Basic Laws provide guidelines for when a referendum should be held.

To my knowledge, there's not a precedent to go by, either.

Besides, a law passed by the Knesset is still binding upon the citizens of this country.

Good Morning Troop !

247 Carl in Jerusalem

'Tis a beautiful thing!

:)

Re: Chelsea Clinton and goats:

Nobody can help who their parents are, but she inherited the most unattractive physical features of both parents.

BTW, WJC apparently has joked that he had to rape Hillary to conceive Chelsea. That made it into that book that came out last month. No idea if it is true or not, but the Prostitute's Toe-Sucker (Morris) claimed the reason Bill cheated so much was because Hillary was lesbian.

It makes sense why she married him, a politically ambitious women hitching her wagon to a rising star in an era when openly lesbian women would have a hard time getting elected to public office (not that it stopped Barbara Mikulski, although she has never admitted being a lesbian, despite having never been married and having several close friends who happened to be lesbian).

But what would Bill have gotten out of it?

Thus, I am not 100% convinced that she is a lesbian, unless she concealed it from Bill until after they were married and he was already running for office and didn't want to be running as a divorced man.

Morning {RECON}!

loppyd ,Carl in J.

Counting eggs instead of chickens are we?

Devout Muslim terrorist killer of Theo Van Gogh likes sex with dead women. Frontpagemag carries this report.

On his laptop he also had illegal images of a man having sex with a dead woman.” According to the paper, “Mohammed B. was aroused by gruesome amputations and sex with a dead woman.”

Does anyone doubt this item would be trumpeted across the MSM if this guy were not protected by Political Correctness?

The revelations offer a striking contrast to the man who claimed to have renounced the culture of Dutch society for the purity of the Islamic faith. Even as he indulged his most gruesome fantasies in secret, Bouyeri put on a show of strict religious asceticism, abstaining from alcohol and refusing to take part in activities involving both men and women.

Live women anyway.

RECON

Care to place a wager on who goes further into October?

#254 USMC RECON

Good morning, Marine!

I believe the good folks are jus' looking at the scoreboard. How'd your boys do?

/OT

Re: Kirly, elBarto, ...

I checked out the Honda Insight 3 or 4 years ago before the Prius was available. There are a couple downsides to these cars.

No cars get their advertised mileage. Unless to are driving downhill on the highway. Unless you are gaga over emissions (they are very low in emissions) the extra cost just isn't work it. The Insight was lucky to get 45 in town (check out Consumer Reports).

Also, the batteries do not last forever. If you live in California and garage the car they last a lot longer than if you live in Phoenix and park the thing in the sun. The replacement cost for the full bank (3 years ago) was around $1,200. I think that has come down a lot but your have to factor it into the cost of operating the vehicle.

I drive a 93 Honda Civic Hatchback that gets 35-40 MPG in town. I don't drive it much on the highway, it's too uncomfortable and noisy for that but when I do it gets 45 MPG.

PS-I am not all wiener. I also have a 3/4 ton Dodge Diesel 4x4 for pulling the boat and hunting.

#256 loppyd

Dinner at the resturant of the winners choice?

255 Luigi

Is Necrophelia encouraged in the Koran?

Were they dead Muslim chicks?

260 RECON

It's a bet. You'll like my favorite restaurant in Boston a lot.

#256 loppyd,

Hi, as a lurker I feel weird asking, but...How went your truck hunt?

257 Powderfinger

Good Morning {Powder}!

Morning, lizards!

If you haven't seen this yet:

World War II: The Real-Time Strategy Gamemosey over to [Link: ace.mu.nu...] and scroll down. It's so clever.

*yawn*

Well, I guess I should't try and run through the security check at TIA this afternoon hunh?

That's probably a good idea.

#259 American Infidel

That's a thread, right there.

CAIR’s filing an amended motion has two apparent implications: that CAIR has tacitly acknowledges the truth of Whitehead’s deleted assertions; and those assertions can now be repeated with legal impunity.

We list here the key statements that CAIR no longer deems legally improper, followed by some speculations as to why it might have decided not to contest them in court.

·[CAIR is an] organization founded by Hamas supporters….
·CAIR was started by Hamas members….
·CAIR … was founded by Islamic terrorists.

That's gonna leave a mark.

Walk slowly backwards with your hands in the air if Muslim would be nice to see too.

263 rin

No need to feel weird! It was sort of a bust. We had severe thunderstorms and pouring rain and by the time the storm passed the dealership was closed. I did get to peek at the insides of a few of the Libertys and they look nice.

Thanks for asking!

'morning, lopps!

/waves from across town

OT: CAIR has Admitted They Are Founded By Islamic Terrorists

CAIR Founded by “Islamic Terrorists”?

By Daniel Pipes and Sharon Chadha
FrontPageMagazine.com July 28, 2005

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, Inc., filed a defamation lawsuit against Andrew Whitehead, of Anti-CAIR (or ACAIR), a grass-roots project whose name explains its mission: to expose the largest, most vocal, and dangerous Islamist organization in North America.

CAIR’s March 2004 lawsuit is part of what seems to be a policy of using the legal process to silence or chill critics. In this case, CAIR claimed it had been harmed by six statements on ACAIR’s website, including CAIR’s being founded by Hamas supporters, being partially funded by terrorists, and intending to impose Islamic law on the United States.

Then, on June 20, 2005, CAIR filed an amended motion that substantially cut back on its libel claims, retaining just portions of two of the original six statements. With original misspellings retained, the offending passages are:

· Let their be no doubt that CAIR is a terrorist supporting front organization….

· [CAIR] seeks to overthrow constitutional government in the United States….

Why did CAIR drastically reduce its claims versus Whitehead?

It might have to do with Whitehead, admirably represented by Reed Rubinstein of Greenberg Traurig LLP, having responded to CAIR’s lawsuit with an extensive and well informed set of discovery requests and documents. These filings perhaps established for CAIR the depth of Whitehead’s knowledge and the soundness of his opinions. If so, then CAIR’s leadership concluded that the bulk of its case against Whitehead would collapse in court... (Read it All)

266 {Sarah D.}

Good Morning Sleepy!

Good Morning All!

Beautiful morning here ~ wishing the same to all of you.

'kay, back to work for me...

271 Powder