Me thinks the driver wasn't Muslim.

Did she use condoms?

Obviously her skin is more valuable than her driver's. Her islamic skin was professionally maintained.

Give her back ... I know that they don't give refunds but maybe the Germans can get store credit.

Apparently Germanic life in prison is 20 years for murdering an American.

Wearing a pinstripe jacket and loose black headscarf during the interview, Osthoff said the kidnappers pushed her into the trunk of a car in what she called a “professional performance”.

Whose performance was it...hers or theirs? Or maybe...both?

so don’t be afraid, we don’t harm women or children, and you are Muslim’,” Osthoff quoted a kidnapper as saying.

Knowing this, so many Iraqi women and children can now breath a deep sigh of relief.

/sarc

Or perhaps these clowns in the terrorist organizations ar unionized.

Only the 'splodydopes kill the innocent.
The kidnappers are all about tea and crumpets.

Any guesses what the next job for an experienced Hizbollah 'member' might be?

Or will Dr. Rice pay 'it' 100/month[not tax free] not to do the next job?

She admits to being kidnapped, but says "I was very happy because I knew I wasn’t in the hands of criminals." In other words, she does NOT consider kidnapping to be a crime. What a stunningly fine example of all that is wrong with the LLL.

#2 ted, oh, that Hizbollah 'member'!

Professional? Not Criminal? Does one get degrees in kidnapping in Islamic countries now? That must be the key difference in criminal kidnapping and professional kidnapping.

Do they all think we were born yesterday or what?

Where's bigel when you need him ?

I was very happy because I knew I wasn’t in the hands of criminals,” she said.

But nonethless kidnapped, not free to go. Details.

More proof that Muslim women suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.
I think that is a big problem to overcome.
That said, she should be jailed as a co-conspirator.

"They understood that I knew about the Iraqi people’s plight.”

By Plight does she mean the beheaders who want to subject the Iraqi people to fundamentalist tyranny more nightmarish than anything concocted by the Taliban?
No-- oh, she means the plight of being subjected to freedom, democracy and liberty by the Great satan.
Let's face it, Europe is lost. In fifty years, Arabic will be the dominant language, churches will be converted into mosques, and may God help any Jews who have not gotten out of there.

Then what exactly was the point of these "professionals" kidnapping a "friend"?

Headlines only?

*COUGH* STOCKHOLM SYNDROME! *COUGH*

'We're informing you now this was a political reason why we kidnapped you, and we'll inform you later about what will happen, so don't be afraid, we don't harm women or children, and you are Muslim'," Osthoff quoted a kidnapper as saying.

Pure, unadulterated Muslim crap. This woman is a stoolie bitch. The German government sold out the US.

Stockholm Syndrome...my a**
Osthoff a 'kidnapping victim'...my a**

Sorry, some of us are just not falling for this bullshit.

Moral of the story. Don't take prisoners.

I would think most people would be sweating bb's or worse if they were kidnapped, especially by people who were known to behead their victims. I can't imagine her being so 'calm' as she seems to have been if she didn't somehow know them prior to capture.

Since when is Kidnapping and professionally holding someone against their will not criminal? It is a crime in Germany where the good archeaologist is from...the fact is the terrorists groomed her and fed her those lines knowing she would repeat them...nice move by the terrorists to play out in the open media...where wars are won and lost in this day and age

Vell, I tell you ziss. If Deutschland still had a real Fuehrer, I mean leader, our Fallschirmjaeger, er--parachutists--vould haff landed vere she vass and viped zat village from ze face off ze map. Zat iss ze answer, but Germany has gone soft. Ze Ameroicans are not soft, but zey are konfused. But zen, zey are a young Kultur.

There is something about the concept of kidnappers acting " professionally" that is less than reasurring...

I wonder if I can get into that kidnapping profession...does the Univ of Phoenix offer any online professional certification classes?

/completely joking

I knew this would happen as soon as I learned (and it was not so easy to learn, BTW, as the MSM wanted us to think otherwise) that this woman is a Muslim married to an Arab. Well, duh! What could be more obvious than another fake kidnapping? This makes me ill.

Right ,the more I look at this the more it looks like it was planned and executed for the reason of freeing the scum prisoner and having this little POS spew her little talking points. Then everyone involved waltzed through their littel charade "professionally"
spit spit and double spit

we don’t harm women or children, and you are Muslim

Tell that to Margaret Hassan--a woman, a Muslim, and Iraqi citizen, who'd dedicated most of her life to helping Iraqis.

#22

If that was part of her ordeal, I think she would still have shown some signs of trauma.

I would think that mind control would take longer than three weeks, anyway, unless you were an adolescent or a child.

I think we should all boycott germany and german made products.
Anybody with me?
Spread the word!

I'll get myself that corvette instead of the carrera.

Re: #24
ahhh... reassuring? SP? PUI (posting under the influence, of Makers Mark Bourbon. No regrets...)

I have only three words to say about this incident:

fake STAGED HOAX!

She was kidnaped liked that old italian hag...ummm [whats her name?] was...

This is all a load of shit...

zombie, I was waiting for you to show up here. In fact, I thought of you when I read the article. Yeah, I agree -- fake.

We’re informing you now this was a political reason why we kidnapped you, and we’ll inform you later about what will happen

Could it be you wanted a sympathetic cooperative "victim" who would help you secure the release of a jailed terrorist? Naw, couldn't be.

"fake but accurate' see,they're not such bad guys so long as you convert. The driver,however,not so much...

It's like going to the Dentist. You want to be sure you're in the hands of a professional.
Who wants amateur kidnappers screwing up the clinical protocol for abducting European muslim converts who think Zarqawi is way hotter than George Clooney.

#29 beej

I am not sure I am understanding what you mean by mind control taking a few weeks...so I will just go into more detail on my opinion so you can see what I am thinking on this one.

The way I am seeing this is that she was sympathetic to their cause to begin with so there really was not much to change...and as long as they limited their contact with her to extremely controlled/rehearsed scripts leaving her with only carefully crafted statements to remember them by, the only thing she can quote them as saying is what they tell her...I don't view it as mind control so much as crafting her view of the kidnappers into as positive a light as possible. Does this make any sense? It is kind of hard to type out a good explanation and it is late here in Germany.

Cheers

Osthoff said the kidnappers pushed her into the trunk of a car in what she called a “professional performance”.

Don't sell yourself short, Susanne: your performance in this charade was very well done too. Perhaps they'll award you a Golden Bear for Best Actress at the next Berlin Film Festival?

Or perhaps a Golden Burka at the next Riyadh Film Festival?

She has been in Iraq for several years now -- from the very start of the war -- "on a humanitarian mission."

Al-Jizz reported last month that her kidnappers "are threatening to kill her." Uh huh, happy ... not criminals.

She was married to an Iraqi Bedouin. They have a young daughter. The marriage ended after a couple of years.

The kidnappers threatened to kill her

unless Berlin stopped cooperating with the Iraqi government, according to a videotape delivered to the German state broadcaster ARD.

And "cooperating" means "not paying ransom," eh?

The insanity of people doing all but pretzl
twists to keep from facing reality!
She is dangerous to anyone who comes within
her vicinity, bong drinker!

So she's been working in Iraq for more than a decade? Is that what it says in the article? Married to an Arab? Does she still retain her German citizenship I wonder?

What a lovely story. I'm sure Fritz didn't bargain with the head choppers. After all, the Germans have a proud history of standing up to terrorists. Just look at how they handled the Olympic killers.

Wearing a pinstripe jacket and loose black headscarf during the interview, Osthoff said the kidnappers pushed her into the trunk of a car in what she called a “professional performance”.

What the F**k is this ? A script for da Sopranos ? I'll be awaiting her arrival at the Academy Awards for best performance in a trunk.

I made a comment earlier about wars today being won and lost on CNN (or the MSM in general). It would be great if Fox or someone started to question this kidnapping in the light of a hoax to discredit everything she was told. That might be one of the only ways to counter this little news bomb. Just my opinion.

#38

I was thinking mind control as in brain washing. You are right, she was practically there mentally/philisophically anyway, so it wouldn't necessarily have taken long. But she should have been afraid, I would think. Nothing any of the 'insurgents' in Iraq have done indicates Muslim women and children are safe.

#38 Jason

No matter what your prior opinion/political position, if you were kidnapped by people who have been known to behead others, engage in suicide bombings, employ children as shields, etc., and you placed any value on your life, I sincerely doubt that you would be comforted by the reassurance of these monsters unless you were in cahoots with them.

#46 Beej

Concur

#43 cicidajoe

Let's not look at how the Germans handled the Israeli Olympic massacre. Someone might come along latter and make a movie that sympathizes
with the killers --- oh wait --- too late a famous director already did that.

She was only picked up to service the kidnappers while they hunted down little boys.

#47

What you said. That's what I'm trying to say! Thanks. You did it so much better.

#47 RW

I agree she probably was very afraid

Wearing a pinstripe jacket and loose black headscarf

How long before she is wearing a ball-bearing-studded suicide vest instead?

#32 Zombie

Despite all pretense otherwise,

the German Government's protestations that the release was NOT linked to jailed for life murderer Amadi

resonates hollow.

As "Transferthem" said last week ... "If I were to suggest that vigilantism were to widley appear in the West, it would be cases like this"

#52 jason97m

I wonder...

#47 RW
#51 Beej

I agree completely, I don't doubt that she was not scared one bit...

As with the previous hoax kidnappings in Iraq since 2004, the steps in the production went like this:

LLL group decides to take "direct action" to help their allies in Iraq, the "insurgents."

LLL group identifies a likely fake "victim," contact her, ask if she'd be willing to be an actress in a hoax news event.

She agrees.

Jihadi group is contacted, invited to play the role of "kidnappers."

They agree, perhaps for a fee.

Script is written and rehearsed repeatedly. Plans to ask for the release of the jailed terrorist developed by German LLLs. Jihadis agree to make the demand.

Susanne memorizes all the LLL talking points she will say to the media: jihadis were "professional," blah blah blah.

"Kidnapping" takes place at pre-arranged time, likely at "Kidnappers' Corner," where several other hoax kidnappings have been staged in Baghdad.

Susanne spends a month in luxury at a safe house, occasionally putting on a "victim" performance for the jihadis' video camera.

German government caves: Terrorist is freed. Success!

The "victim" is "released," then takes advantage of her free celebrity status to spew LLL talking points in the media.

It's a wrap!

#56 jason97m

Oh, now that we're on the same wave length...LOL

#56

Oh my! I think I have too much egg nog left in my noggen...Sorry! Duh!

Once again the US has been stabbed in the back by the German government.

Robert Dean Stethem was a true American hero.

His killer, who is now probably being celebrated by the Muslim world, is scum.

Click the link, the sound you hear when the web page loads is the sound of a Tomahawk being launched.

Methinks the German lady archaeologist fancies herself an expert on the subject of Islamic Horse shit. Her government apparently agrees with her.

The message here is that if you convert to that Mohammedan crap, the jihadis won't hurt you. They were 'professional' in dealig with a believer and would have been just as professional cutting off her head had she been an infidel. This professional murderers know their craft.

The German gov't kept our State Department informed as to when Hamadi was going to be released. State knew at least a month prior to Hamadi's release that he was going to be released. Given that, I think it's quite likely that Hamadi's release wasn't particularly timed to gain this collaborators release. Here's the relevant passage from the State Separtment:

MR. MCCORMACK: we've been tracking this, following this, for some time. We knew that it was possible that he was -- that he had come up for parole hearings a couple of times. Those were denied. We knew that he was coming up for another parole hearing. We did at senior levels at the U.S. Government contact the German authorities to emphasize that we thought it was important that he serve out his entire term, but we did so with the full understanding that under German law it was highly likely that he was going to be released. So we did continue to make representations to the German Government that he should serve out his full term.

QUESTION: Do you know when the last time the U.S. brought this up with Germany and at what level, the last contact --

MR. MCCORMACK: I don't have the exact date, but I think within the past month or so.

QUESTION: The U.S. asked them not -- asked the Germans not to release him within the last month or so.

MR. MCCORMACK: Right, right. In the last month or so.

[Link: www.state.gov...]

#60 sailordude

I love to travel. Germany is one country I will never set foot into. This latest betrayal reaffirms my decision.

..my take on it..they used her and she used them..now a real a-hole is free

[Link: rednecktexan.blogspot.com...]

OT

You are not going to beleive this. AP has written a story about the schoolgirls getting their heads cut off in Indonesia.

While the release of the terrorists was very wrong, the parole was in the works long before the Osthoff kidnapping.

This is from June of this year:

One of the hijackers, Mohammed Hamadei, was caught in Germany, convicted, and sentened to life. But he could be out on parole in six months. The U.S. wants him brought to this country for trial.

#58
#59

Great...it looks like we are talking on the same frequency now...

Terrorists guide to kidnapping

Rule 1: Don't say things around our victims that you don't want repeated in the MSM

Rule 2: Say lots of things around our victims that you DO want repeated in the MSM

Cheers

Hans Morgenthau's solution for Nazi Germany should have been implemented way back then in 1945. However, since it was not, the rough outline of his plan should be brought forward to current times and keep for the next time, coming very soon, when Germany starts its third major war since 1914!

Personally, good old Hans was right on. For those of you who are not students of history, Hans wanted to strip all plant and equipment from Deutschland and then salt the earth, just like the Romans did to Carthage!

Ps: I like the idea of doing this to France too!

#40 Chicken Kiev
So many gems in the Al Jazeera article..

we want from Germany ... hospitals and schools in the Sunni triangle [area northwest of Baghdad], and they would like to get money in the form of humanitarian aid."
She described her captors as "poor people" and said that she "cannot blame them for kidnapping her, as they cannot enter [Baghdad's heavily fortified] Green Zone to kidnap Americans."...
But she repeated more than once that she "was sold", without making clear what she meant, while expressing her shock at Berlin's failure to contact her captors.

A-boo-hoo-hooo! Those "poor" Minutemen were unable to kidnap Americans. They're humanitarians afterall.

Just a sidenote: life in Germany does not mean life without the possibility for parole. It means a sentence without limit. 20 years is the normal average if memory serves. (Just checked and it seems correct)

One could possibly argue that there is something wrong with the german system but that is completely beside the point. Hizbollah-guy served the average length of a typical life sentence in Germany.

#63 mj

I'm not crazy about our state dept either.

/I'm beginning to sound like a nut, even to myself. However, this is my thinking on the subject.

69 olderthandirt

Thinking that was the Soviet view too at one time.

Anyway, when will be delighted to hear of the release of the four CPT moonbats>

I'm ready for Islamo-terrorists! For about a year, I've carried around a handy card in my wallet with the phoneticized Arabic shahadah, or declaration of faith, and I strongly suggest you do the same. The text itself is short and simple:

"Lā 'ilāha 'illā llāha, wa Muhammadun rasūlu llāhi." In English, "There is no god but Allah, and Mahound is his messenger."

I'm now ready for any potential Islamic hostage-taking situation!

Meanwhile, only silence from the Canadians, Brit and Yank held hostage, in spite of pleas from their organization and Iraqi and Muslim friends on their behalf, with assurances that they are not there to convert anyone, and only want to help document American atrocities, etc etc.

CPT may have good Christian motivations, but the substance of their activities is straight from moonbat central.

Nonetheless, calling themselves "Christian" Peacemaker Teams isn't going to help their plight if their kidnappers really are the "Swords of Righteousness Brigades" and diehard Islamists. Stayed tuned to Al-Jazeera for the snuff video.

Unless their circumstances fit the "LLL fake hostage scenario: outlined above. Then we'll see if they follow the script.

She said she was glad her "kidnappers weren't CRIMINALS"? Oh...I didn't realize there was such a thing as legal kidnapping. You learn something new every day! Maybe I can learn the finer points of legal political kidnappings and legally kidnap some judges, or Congressmen and hold them hostage until I feel like letting them go! As long as it's legal and all...

#61 gymnast

Methinks the German lady archaeologist fancies herself an expert on the subject of Islamic Horse shit.

Please. That would be islamic copralites.

# 77 bouzouki

Don't be going all geology on us, now.

many have said this was stockholm syndrome, but i think that any sensible person could realize that they still want to leave their kidnappers, and they still would rather not have their driver killed (most likely scenario). That means that the convert is probably a complete convert to islam, including all of the terrorism that accompanies the religion. My guess is she was part of the whole crime.

#69 olderthandirt

Let me tell you about the Christmas holidays I have experienced in said "GERMANY" this year.

1. My landlord had her purse stolen with her credit cards...which were tied to her bank account...which was emptied because the bank did not close her account soon enough (this was due to lack of infrastructure...not that the crooks were fast).

2. Upon acting surprised at said robbery I was told it is a normal occurance for this area of Germany during the holidays.

3. Said landlord upon hearing that I would be selling my car soon remarked "do not sell it to a German, it has taken over a month to transfer the title of my daughters car...and that is normal..."

4. Neighbors remark constantly that they want their Deutchmarks back...the euro is killing their economy.

5. Unemployment is rampant

6. I have heard that taxes are at 50%.

I think this country will be ready to implode soon...and I live in the nice part of town too! The red tape is too thick, the population is unhappy as a result...yes...I miss America daily!

O/T:

MSNBC schills for the Kossaks, DUers and other leftists.

#57 Zombie

Concur in scenario, although I suspect a bit more active role from the star/producer. As our Mayor Marion might have observed under somewhat similar circumstances, "The bitch set it up."

I figured from the beginning that she was either weak-minded or extremely foolish. How about that, both rolled up into one with an Islamic agenda to boot.

True, where is her outrage about the driver.

80 jason97m

Where in Germany are you?

The fate of her driver remains unclear

He was in on it.

#74 Kyriakon

"There is no god but Allah, and Mahound is his messenger."

I hope and pray for the strength to be more like Shadrack, Meshech and Abednigo who were thrown in the fiery furnace, rather than to bow down to a 'foreign' god...

For me, and my faith, this would have to be so...He will either save me from the 'furnace' or not, but in either case, He is who He is, and I cannot deny Him.

I would not expect the same from someone who believed differently than me. Prayerfully, it won't come to that---to face that decison; to be in a place where the sword is being used as enforcement.

Jason 97m are you in Eastern Germany?

“’We’re informing you now this was a political reason why we kidnapped you, and we’ll inform you later about what will happen,

Hint By definition all terrorism is policial in nature. So that's for clearing THAT one up for us.

Anyone who thinks kidnapping someone and holding them for a month against their will isn't a "crime" is an idiot, or a liar, and probably the latter.

If she didn't feel violated by being kidnapped, then why did she even bother to leave?

#77, bouzouki. I concede that you may know more about Islamic horse shit than I. I will however, maintain that the German Lady archaeologist knows more than the both of us about the subject, whatever you call it. She is now famous for it and we are not.

87 beej

Same with me. To heck with placating the devil!

86 neversurrender

Tkx! This whole thing smells more and more like three month old blue cheese.

#78 Mike C.

LOL (geo-humor)

#72 rw in san diego

/I'm beginning to sound like a nut, even to myself. However, this is my thinking on the subject

Just one quick comment~~Don't feel bad...or like a nut. Just do the research, and see what you come up with. If you look at it like a corporate chart, sometimes it seems like the State Department is on a line off to the side, away from everyone else, with only a dotted line connecting it to the President and the rest of the administration, when common sense tells you it should be located where the other Cabinet positions and labor is...under the President.

#91 St. Pancake
If I'm ever taken hostage I pan on crying like a baby and kissing as much Islamic ass as possible. However, If I ever find that somebody paid ransom for my release I'll personally hunt them down and kill them.

Too bad the she wasn't killed. Just another mohammedan cow.

No, the stubborn Christian thinky in me will not allow me to kiss their butts.

#77, bouzouki:
Sorry! I simply refuse to sell my soul to Satan and help bring about Hell on Earth. Actually I’m really not sorry at all.

#74 Kyriakon:
Just one eensy-weensy problem with your plan: once you convert, if you do not follow shari'a to the letter you become an apostate.

And you know what happens to apostates, don't you?

I mean it too. Back in December '93, when the FIS jerks in Algeria threatened us in our compound, I calmly kept up my Christmas decorations, and played Christmas music in my home until Christmas was over.

The lady was kidnapped by terrorists but,

“I was very happy because I knew I wasn’t in the hands of criminals,” she said.

Because the real criminals are . . . the american military, bush, halliburton, etc. who surely would have tortured her or worse had they found her.

#99 cba

And you know what happens to apostates, don't you?

They are the goats in a game of Goats 'n Jihadists?

OK, this pisses me off in many ways. Little Miss Osthoff pisses me off for being such a willing tool. I would like to see her assassinated, by anyone, muslim or otherwise. The gutless german government pisses me off for, in spite of assurances otherwise, going behind our back and releasing a terrorist who now will go back to killing more innocent, probably American, people. I think we should pull ALL American troops, etc. out of their shitass country and let them fester in the next german holocaust in which they'll be the victims. The US government pisses me off for, except for expressing "dismay," once again doing nothing when a country shits all over us. And the international msm pisses me off because, inspite of a kidnapping and the release of a terrorist, the terrorists get free promotional publicity. How the Hell can we counter that? How can anyone fight a war when your opposition is on so many different fronts? It pisses me off that the US is fighting this war on terror for the whole world and not only gets nothing but condemnations, gets very little help. Who's helping? Great Britain limps along trying to help and some other countries have sent handfuls of soldiers to Iraq, but what else? The fight the war in their own countries and say screw the rest of the world, which is what the US should do. We should pull out troops from around the world (Afghanistan and Iraq as soon as possible), prop up our own borders, secure our own infrastructure, build our military and then tell the rest of the world to f-off. When we're threatened-go in and obliterate them. Let the damn euroweenie-poss stew in their own self-created cesspool. And that goes for the rest of the world as well. This is an impossible war to fight, win or end because there aren't enough countries fighting it. To hell with this "policeman of the world" crap. Use Foreign Aid, that so often goes to countries that use it against us, to innitiate a program for alternative fuels that will free us from any foriegn oil. Instead of burning confiscated drugs, poison them and put them back on the street. See how many start going "off" drugs when they never know if the next buy is poisoned. And for God's sake, get the worthlessshithole called the UN out of the US.
Well, that's not all, but it's a start.

My role models for this behaviour were the Yugoslavians who were taken over in their compound outside of the town of Blida. Those who said they were Muslim, lived. Those who said, "Christian", had their throats slashed.

#100 St. Pancake

See, I worry I won't have the where-with-all to be that strong. The hardest thing I've dealt with was deciding to get a divorce...aside from just daily living, that is. If faced with real life or death...I don't know.

Sorry...this is leading off topic.

OT- I detect an ugly thread coming up
Sharon Party Favors Palestinian Statehood

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's new centrist party on Monday declared Palestinian statehood as a central goal, and Israel signaled it would drop a threat to ban Jerusalem's Palestinians from voting in their parliamentary election.

103 Gringo

Feel better? Thinking you need a hug. Know the feeling too.

Head still attached? Shill.

#98 Apprentice

Sorry! I simply refuse to sell my soul to Satan and help bring about Hell on Earth.

No, I'm sorry. I had no idea coprolites were such serious business (pun intended).

I agree with you about Satan & Hell.

105 beej
Yeppers, you never really know until you are faced with this threat. Still have very deep feelings about this. It does tend to intensify your thoughts on the subject. Do know now that I will never, ever bow down before this satanic belief system.

I keep hearing that "just a professional."

*BLAM*

/Denzel Washington

106 Killgore Trout

I detect an ugly thread coming up

Quite possibly...BUT I think 1) Sharon and his goals on the two stater was a known and 2) I think the lifting the vote ban in Jersusalem for the Arab-Israeli's (though I disagree with that move 100%)will be a moot point, because I believe Abbas will cancel/postphone the elections anyway, due to Hamas' standing so far.

Killgore Trout

Good one, hope you get a hat trick.

They understood that I knew about the Iraqi people’s plight.

"Filthy kuffar pigs on MUSLIM LAND." But keep those immigration doors open in the West. Anything else would be "racist."

/Multicultisuicide

OT- BBC world on TV reporting PA president Abbas being rushed to hospital. Don't see it anywhere else, including the BBC website.

Al Qaeda kills Arab women in Iraqi abduction

Three Arab women and a man who were working for US authorities and the Iraqi government were abducted and executed, according to a website linked to al Qaeda.

There is no way she was not involved in her own "kidnapping".

Yeah, the release of the Arab murderer in al-Germany wasn't linked. Sure.

Just like the phoney hijacking of an empty Lufthansa flight in 1972 which resulted in the release of the surviving Munich killers.

Everyone now admits that the Lufthansa hijacking was phoney. And one day, they will admit that this early release was phoney.

Euroweenies.

#66 [Engineer]

POSO, Indonesia — Masked, black-clad and brandishing machetes, the attackers sprang from behind a screen of tall grass and pounced on the four Christian girls as they walked to school. Within seconds, three of the teenagers were beheaded — fresh victims of violence that has turned this Indonesian island into yet another front in the terrorist wars.

-Associated Press

Yes we have yet another example of MSM liberal bias and terrorist coddling.

According to AP, this was just a another battle in a "terrorist war". So on one side we have adult muslim "men" hiding then pouncing and slicing up young Christian girls with machetes. The Christian families, representing only 5% of the population, are obliged to turn the other cheek as their children are slaughtered like chickens. Meanwhile the brave muslims place their trophies--the little girls' heads-- about town in celebration.

Good job, AP-- fine reporting. This was just another routine "front in a war", not a one-sided massacre of innocent children by evil barbarians. No bias here; move along.

#112 beej
I agree, but this is one of those topics that can get really ugly around here (evolution gets pretty serious too)

#113 St. Pancake
I've already had one. I've know people who've been here for years who haven't gotten any.

I am beginning to agree with zombie on this.

I think there have been at least 2 other fake kidnappings. One was a Japanese women (I think), and the other was a US military soldier of Middle Eastern decent (I believe). So, it's not such a stretch of the imagination to think Susanne Osthoff and crew staged the whole thing.

[#57 zombie]:

As with the previous hoax kidnappings in Iraq since 2004, the steps in the production went like this:

LLL group decides to take "direct action" to help their allies in Iraq, the "insurgents."

LLL group identifies a likely fake "victim," contact her, ask if she'd be willing to be an actress in a hoax news event.

She agrees.

Jihadi group is contacted, invited to play the role of "kidnappers."

They agree, perhaps for a fee.

Script is written and rehearsed repeatedly...

I wonder if Ms. Osthoff could pass a polygraph exam. And, I wonder if she would like to return to Iraq? What happened to her car (and driver?). If one knew what type of car Ms. Osthoff was driving, could not that help lead to the "kidnap" scene?

To the problem of Germany's revolving door criminal system: I think the Seals are just going to have to bring this terrorist to justice. Germany will not. And, he will probably kill again. For more on the "equitable double jeopardy" laws in Germany the post below.

see 95% down # 198 the German equitable liberal double jeopardy laws

119 Killgore Trout

You "ain't" kidding. This is exactly the sort of topic that sets people off something fierce. I almost stay away from those especially at certain times in the evening. I hold my breath.

there is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet
there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet
Nah, changed my mind...
Death to Me!

Islam versus Multi-culturalism, who will win?

#109-bouzouki:
Village Idiot's Apprentice and I are not the same person. I know it's confusing, but I don't post often so don't worry overly much about it.
Coprolites are, however, quite serious; I seem to remember one from some poor 'feller or gal with 97 fish bones in it.

#121 St. Pancake
I think the last one got "rightasrain" banned.

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#124

rightasrain got banned? What for? (if I may be so ignorant)

124 Killgore Trout

"Still shivering from that one"

Treated well ONLY because she was 'muslim'. She should have asked what happened to the little children in Beslan, Russia.

You have to wonder if her captor grunted, "muslim not kill muslim"..

Reminds me of planet of the Apes... only the Apes were more humane.

#57 zombie

That really makes me wonder what's going to happen with those Christian pacifists that got kidnapped that we don't hear much about.

If Osthoff can stage a kidnapping, they ought to be able to as well.

#81 jheka

Am I naive for being shocked that 85 percent
of the 159,000 people who responed to the MSNBC poll think President Bush should be impeached?
It's outrageous! How many Nuclear bombs have to be detonated here before the liberal pusbags of hate realize the President is not the problem.
Of course, by then it will be too late.

128 Kafira

AND zillion other places... I give up on these fools.

#130

Self-selection polls mean jack shit. The only people taking time to vote in that poll are LLLefties.

I think we're ignoring the obvious: Miss Osthoff was simply applying for the LGF Fiskie award for Idiotarian of the Year! Speaking of which, I nominate her!

#130 liberalapostate

Am I naive for being shocked that 85 percent
of the 159,000 people who responed to the MSNBC poll think President Bush should be impeached?

A bit. It's been the major talking point on the LLLeft for over a year. I hope they do it over national security. That should push them down below 40% for the next two elections, at least. Don't forget MSDNC makes no pretensions about balance either. CNN is better. Yes, I mean that.

Factor in every blog on the Left stroking that poll as if it matters, you get that result.

Looks like she's going back to be "victimized" again...
Former hostage says she will return to Iraq

Cairo - Archeologist and ex-hostage Susanne Osthoff who was freed two weeks ago in Iraq told Al Jazeera on Monday that she will return to the war-torn country.
Dismissing the threats foreign nationals are subject to in Iraq, Osthoff expressed her wish to continue her archeological work on Iraqi sites.

The fake hostage scenario gets more plausible all the time.

#134 beagle

Thanks for the response.

135 Killgore Trout

Darned straight. Are we the only ones (LGF) to see this? Really amazing.

She will prolly go back, and hand slap her "kidnappers". "Sigh"

“I was glad because they were not criminals seeking money,” she said.

This line will be a classic for years to come.

Woo HOO! It's a German version of Cindy Shithan.

Alright, just when we thought the trite bullshit would end.

#136 liberalapostate

Hey, you asked. Don't be hatin tha playa, hate tha game. :D I can understand why you might be surprised by the absolute number of responses until you factor in every blog on the Left "DUing" the results.

...Treated well ONLY because she was 'muslim'. She should have asked what happened to the little children in Beslan, Russia...

Notice also that the world press does not mention how racist they are and always let the [bigoted word]s get away with their filthy behavior.

I wonder what the press would say if the tables were turned. Say profile muzlumbs getting on airplanes.

Unfortuneately this behavior will not be confronted by the press until one of them are scratched. Then the world will never hear the end of it.

The [bigoted word]s get away with all killings because the press is afraid of them. Seems to me we are going to have to start to make the press more afraid of the American people then the [bigoted word]s. I don't think I would lose to much sleep if they started getting whacked off. Any terminally ill patients that wants to be an American martre out there.

#142 Acesover8ts

The Muslims get away with all killings because the press is afraid of them.

I'm not so sure the press is afraid of them. I sort of see it as the the press is really 'pro-Muslim' because the press is so 'anti-American,' just like the Muslims. The Muslims see this, and use this tendency in the press to push the muslim agenda. When/if the Muslims don't need the press any longer to shill their propaganda, then the press will also be deader'n doornail, right along beside the other infidels. (Much to the surprize of the elitist b*tards.)

#130 liberalapostate

When I voted, I swear, either I was having a senile moment or they have misposted the results. 85% said he should NOT be impeached.

beagle,
You misunderstood me. I was not being sarcastic. I was really thanking you for the insight.
As my moniker implies, I've been on the other side of the fence most of my life, so sometimes I ingenuously ask questions in order to get up to speed.
Infighting = Detroit Lions
Teamwork = Detroit Pistons
If you follow sports, You know what that means.
Cheers

’We’re informing you now this was a political reason why we kidnapped you, and we’ll inform you later about what will happen, so don’t be afraid, we don’t harm women or children, and you are Muslim’,” Osthoff quoted a kidnapper as saying.

“I was very happy because I knew I wasn’t in the hands of criminals,”

Just another example of one of Scott Adams' classifications of brain malfunction:

Argument by Bizarre Definition
Example: He's not a criminal. He just does things that are against the law.

STOCKHOLM SYNDROME my ass!

Her kidnapping was staged. I bet this dimwit was more than glad to cooperate with the assholes. It is a great piece of propaganda for the jihadis and for the anti-american/anti-war crowd.

It is a shame that useless human beings like this german dimwit and the other italian one get to live and others like our soldiers, who are really making a difference in the lives of Iraqis, die.

#144 rw in San Diego

I just went back and checked and 85% who voted wanted the President impeached.
A shame, but I think beagle has qualified those results for me by clarifying the way polls work in the blogsphere.

#145 liberalapostate

Infighting = Detroit Lions
Teamwork = Detroit Pistons

Thanks. Sports analogies are useful to me. When I think of Detroit Pistons I'm reminded of the Orlando Magic's front office policy: big scary guys who grab too many rebounds should be replaced by tweeners with respect for social justice. Miami Heat, same deal.

#148 liberalapostate

Arghhh...

I guess I saw what I expected to see, not what was really there...

So kidnapping is obviously a profession to Osthoff. Probably thinks everyone should have such an exciting experience.

/xs/*spit*

Stockholm Syndrome is experienced by someone who undergoes actual terror and trauma. Exactly when did this apply to Osthoff?

HOAX

between her statements as documented in post #40 and the statement she's made post-release, we have proof that she actively abbetted her "kidnappers". for if she was always with gentlemen and never under duress, her claim that the "kidnappers" intended to kill her was made knowing it was not true.

there was, at the very least, synergy at play. but i don't think its unfair to assume that the kidnapping was fraudulent altogether; if only for the narrative "talking points" refferred to earlier.

the scenareo in which a released hostage testifies that their insurgent kidnappers readily showed them deference on account of their alignment with the western social justice movement has been repeated often enough, with enough lies in their perifery, that its really worth investigating the pattern.

it may be possible that the talking points were the objective; this could be a case of "culture jamming" which crosses far beyond the line.

IF they killed the non-muslim and saved the Muslim that disprove the whole tolerance thing the left whines about.

This is something else altogether. The Germans trash the USA by delivering Stethem's murder just to get her back, and she taunts them with claims that she was a houseguest all along. Foolish Germans.

..."we don't harm women or children..."

Guffaw.

#152

Stockholm Syndrome? Stockholm Syndrome?

She ain' got no stinkin' Stockholm Syndrome...

#157 tradewind

Stockholm Syndrome had been mentioned upthread as an explanation for her admiration towards her kidnappers. It is more tactful but not as likely as collusion.

Here is the DUmmies take on this. Here is one comment from the reality based community:

It's a fact. They are poor, they are suffering from what WE have done, they are trying to fight us, but we've sealed up an area that makes that doubly difficult and the fact is they probably would prefer to kidnap those citizens that are from the #1 invader of the 21st Century, the United States.

Of course, it's our fault.

BTW... there is a suspicion - probably never to be proven - that Osthoff was released in exchange for Hizbollah terrorist Mohammad Ali Hammadi, convicted of killing Navy diver Robert Stethem in Beirut during the 1985 hijacking of a TWA flight.

quid pro quo
connect the dots
2 + 2

/down here, 2+2 = 3rd down and 6
Go Dawgs

so don’t be afraid, we don’t harm women or children, and you are Muslim’,” Osthoff quoted a kidnapper as saying.

Seeing this kind of statement always infuriates me to no end, and the fact that this woman is taking their word for this is suspicious to me.

Kidnapping is harmful in and of itself. Just being out of direct control of your destiny is a mind-altering experience known only to those who have been abducted, kidnapped, or held at gunpoint or in some other dangerous situation in direct experience.

Seeing or hearing about someone who has supposedly been kidnapped saying that they weren't "harmed" makes me suspicious from the get-go, makes me suspicious of such things as Stockholm Syndrome or that it was a setup of some kind.

The timing of her release may suggest such a situation, but Hammadi's release had been in the pipeline for awhile. No quid pro quo here. Just conventional enmity from an "ally".

Of course she was safe as a muslim.

Just as Germans in 1939 were safe as nazis