muslims are the enemy

I'd like to meet one of the assholes. About 2 minutes later they would be in desperate need of a dentist.

i used to take these "people" seriously and get all mad about stuff like this...
unfortunately i think i am becoming desensitized to islamic stupidity - i dont think theres any way i can hate them aany more than i do

I think these American Muslims I saw yesterday would stab our troops in the back given half a chance.

the real heros are the Iraqi Resistance forces, the ones who correctly and legitimately target US occupation forces with simple weapons and with faith and dignity

Right, ambushing someone with an IED is so dignified. And somehow he's left out the dignified attacks by Muslims on other Muslims.

What a steaming pile of self-righteous horses**t.

Here's another scene of some real troop supporters.

"I support the Iraqi resistance."

From the second comment Charles quotes:

As someone who put himself through an Ivy League University without parents/family (passed on years earlier) and was taunted and basically harrassed by Military Recruiters who came into my high school telling me I was nothing and laughed at me when I said I would pay for college myself

That sounds like utter hogwash. Military recruiters coming into high schools and laughing at students who are going to an Ivy League university?

10-to-1 the entire scenario is fabricated.

I'm sorry, but IMO those of us who continue to attempt "the turning of the other cheek" philosophy are in for a rude and ugly awakening.

Zombie #4

I think these American Muslims I saw yesterday would stab our troops in the back given half a chance.

American Muslims. Hmmm.

They are straightforward and honest. They are the enemy and fully admit it.

Look, it wasn't the Muslims that radically changed all the rules since 1968. They didn't suddenly embrace multiculturalism and cultural relativism. We in the West decided to embark on that change of course. Muslims are just doing what they have always done: trying to find ways to undermine the kuffar while advancing Islam.

It is we who have changed, not them. If you want to get angry at someone, how about the people who decided that mass immigration from cultures known to be openly hostile to the West would be a good idea. Or the people who fill our children's heads with the idea that the West is a moral abomination and that the likes of the Palestinian "martyrs" are noble freedom fighters?

I am a complete enemy of Islam. However I don't hate them in the way I hate our own leftists. I hope we defeat the Islamists; I have no idea how we will deal with the left in the long run (except perhaps their failure to breed may phase them out over time).

Again from MissChe

I cannot believe how yall dont care that the gun he is aiming is pointing at MUSLIMS! I dont care if they pass out Aid to little kids..at night they're shooting at them. Obviously America doesnt want their soldiers to know how evil they are..so they hand them goody bags to pass out and smile. hhahaha if u are a sucker and fall to those lies..then by all means..be a sucker mr. yusuf traitor naqvi.

Must be one of those moderates I keep hearing about.

#7 zombie

Those were my thoughts, as well. I've seen the recruiters at schools and universities. A relatively modest display table, very low-key. A kid wants to see what they're all about, he or she is free to sit down and talk. This was most certainly another fabrication on the fly.

Why do muslims say nothing about Shia killing Sunni or Sunni killing Shia? They only scream when Dal-Hurb responds back to keep from being killed...

you were "taunted and harrassed" by the Military Recruiter's?

Oh you poor thing. you must feel so abused,,,

Where is the ACLU? Have they been notified of this injustice?

Islam-o-facism...

Nothing a good zombie holocaust couldnt fix.

Knew I shouldnt have watched 28 days later on cable.

#15 Mr. E Train

How do you turn zombies into zombies?

Hmmm...doesn't sound too much different from what our American moonbats spew.

#15 Mr. E

Nevermind ... I get it.

The H-word is a little creepy, however.

I don't understand why these responses are labled as "disturbing". This is the way they think.

Any religion with a pedophile (who was afraid of both women and dogs) for a prophet is in trouble from the beginning. Add the 9th century thinking that they also profess and intend to spread, we are all in trouble.

Jesus taught us to render unto caeser that which is caeser's and to G-d that which is G-ds. The muslims have nothing that replicates this. Everything has to do with islam.

Did you know that the children in islamic countries are not taught about dinosaurs? Isn't that sad? No music, no joy, only seething. What a terrible way to live.

No thanks. When the time comes and these 'citizens' show themselves, I hope that we will have the fortitude to deal with them. I doubt it though. There have been at least 3 jihad attempts in the last six months here in the US (the Lodi group, the Oklahoma guy who blew himself up, and the bozo in North Carolina). Where is the outcry? Let one Christian or Jew say a bad word to a muslim and they seeth for weeks. They try to kill us, not a word. To bad really, I happen to beleive that western civilization is really pretty cool and will be very sad to see it go.

Find 'em and deport 'em.

Any questions?

Let's see, Hasandaddy seems to be a reasonable Muslim. Icekool is almost reasonable, but he drags in the subject of Jooos... I've devoted 15 minutes to finding reasonable Muslims, on a site full of them, and I am not coming up with very many. Could I be wasting my time...

Ya see, jihadi-zombies eat ka-bobs.
Your truely undead zombies eat brains. The former still has a heart beat allthough at some point they decide murder-suicide is ok. Its at this point that they lose their soul.

Now your classic walking dead has neither a heart beat nor soul. Essentially these are just evil meat puppets who seek human flesh. They seem especially drawn to teenagers making out or women in showers.

Jihadi nazis on the other hand seek only the destruction of their targets flesh. Prime targets for this beast seems to be students on busses, families at ice cream shops and young couples at discos.

To transform jihadi-zombies into the more classic walking dead would pobably require a 50 gallon drum filled with toxic waste and the body of an evil serial killer.

Notice how these accusations are never recorded. Don't these people have cell phones? or something?

#10 ProBush Canuck

I have no idea how we will deal with the left in the long run (except perhaps their failure to breed may phase them out over time).

Unfortunately, the left will always be amongst us, in any society, Democratic or otherwise. The evolution of human nature dictates that there will always remain a segment of any society that is unwilling to contribute to the greater good, as long as that concept is tollerated. Subsistence and support for these unfortunates absolutely depends upon the notion of ideological handouts. It's become a well-oiled machine, thanks to the Democratic party in this country, and the liberal agendas in Canada, the EU and Australia. Yet we must take heart. According to Darwin, in times of extreme eco-stress, only those who retain the instincts for survival through self-perpetuation and creativity will survive. Those who are not able to take care of themselves through no fault of their own, will only be cared for and nurtured through the protection of their peers who pass this evolutionary test. When the going really gets tough, the sycophants will wither on the vine. Natural selection at its finest.

You're either an American or a muslim. Period.

Islam will turn on itself given the opportunity- hence the need to point to the west as the common enemy. When they have no readily available boogie man, they will eat each other.

#19 Ziggy

Any religion with a pedophile (who was afraid of both women and dogs) for a prophet is in trouble from the beginning.

We all now realize that pedophilia and misogynistic paranoia are giant red flags. I’d just like to toss in my observation that, after having been around canines most of my life, a human being that raises the 'hackles' on a dog’s back is generally up to no good, and not to be trusted. ;)

Cartman
Ziggy

It's true. I knew an abusive man once (distantly) and most dogs hated him on sight.

#27 Cartman

That's a very good point.

From Bukhari Vol. 4, #540 - Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed.

From the Hadith of Abu Dawud - #2839 - Abd Allah B. Mughaffal reported the apostle of Allah as saying: Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one.

The Hadith's note for #2839 says, "The prophet did not order the killing of all the dogs, for some are to be retained for hunting and watching. He ordered to kill the jet black ones. They might be more mischievous among them.

Led Zeppelin said-
"Hey, hey, mama, said the way you move
Gonna make you sweat, gonna make you groove.
Oh, oh, child, way you shake that thing
Gonna make you burn, gonna make you sting.
Hey, hey, baby, when you walk that way
Watch your honey drip, can't keep away."

#28 kateca

I know a dog I hated on sight. We would visit my brothers in-laws when I was a teenager. They had a doberman. The bastard would run out the walk and take one of your testicles between his teeth and pinch ya good and there was nothing you could do about it. I wanted to shoot it dead but it would have split their marriage earlier. Three months after my last humiliation I heard the bastard was chasing cars and a car one. I celebrated the bastard's death.

So the pedo-prophet(TM) had a problem with dogs...

No wonder moo-slimes are fundamentally jacked-up.

one equals won

#30 spam spam spam spam

He ordered to kill the jet black ones.

Mohammed's military plan is pretty effective in escalation and diverse modes of attack.

But black dogs are the best war dogs. The bigger the better.

Remember: The original poster was a US Muslim serving in the US military. Not ALL who call themselves Muslims are the enemy.

Then again, as the responses to his post show, an awful lot of them are...

where is a bulldozer when you need one.

Not ALL who call themselves Muslims are the enemy

Really? Zeyad was in the WaPo today. His on-site low key reporting was a great read. Don't need to embellish mortar attacks.

Healing Iraq Zeyad

I was really upset when he quit blogging after voting against the constitution of Iraq. I was going to make the observation it's his business. MYOB, as they say.

Sandmonkey, Religious Policeman, Nadz, Big Pharoah, then look at their favorites menus. You want moderate Muslims? There you go.

Thing is about moderates, they don't necessarily get along on the issues or form an alternative party to the extremes due to the diverging opinions. They tend to be highly educated, embarrasingly (for me) bi-lingual, and understand western secular-religious thought.

Apparently this islamist wasn't doing the will of allah but that never seems to deter his fellow islamians. They never stop and reflect. If he kills just himself, he doesn't get his 72 90 ft tall identical virgins does he?

New Cox and Forkum.

the real heros are the Iraqi Resistance forces, the ones who correctly and legitimately target US occupation forces with simple weapons and with faith and dignity in the face of multi-million dollar weapons systems meant to kill them and their families if they do not submit to the nearest US soldier who has no genuine clue as to why he or she is there...they are the real heroes

Well, our heros are killing your heros at a ridiculously high kill ratio with out really trying, and at least the Laws of Land Warfare tying our hands behind our backs.

Would you like us to return to "major combat operations", you know, fire up all those "multi-million dollar weapons systems" again in earnest, release the bull in the china shop?

/you may have your "Islam delusion", but that's far from the cold, hard reality of a "genuine clue" of what "when the metal meets the flesh" really means

There are Americans and then there are people who've managed to obtain American citizenship. We have far too many of the latter.

Muslims?

Hating?

American Soldiers?

The deuce you say!

Ay caramba, in the middle of all this -- I'm halfway through my SF moonbat report -- the crew of hackers that have been harrassing me out of "l'Universite Sidi Med Ben Abdallah de Fes" (i.e. the University of Fez in Morocco) have again gone on a rampage of seizing control of unattended computers around the world and using them to bombard me with viruses. I just checked the email and got a fresh byte-blitz of virus-laden emails from Lebanon, American University in Wash DC, and Ben Gurion University Israel (I'm guessing from the "...@bgumail.bgu.ac.il" suffixes), and a bunch of random French sites. Either the Moroccans are partial to hacking French computers, or the French are utterly lackadaisical in protecting themselves from being hacked. But the IPs all trace back to Morocco.

On the good side, my hosting company banned Turkey and a few other countries from accessing my site, and Pakistan has blocked me, and as a result the DDOS attacks have pretty much stopped for now.

Anyway, it was an unexpected interruption in my moonbat fisking duties. Now that I've cleaned my hard drive of all these impotent viruses, it's back to the salt mines!

just remember that there are still people who call themselves muslims who totally don't follow jihad and all that. Just as many self-proclaimed christians don't follow the bible too closely, some (way rarer though) muslims do the same. I had a roommate who said he was muslim, but he didn't pray once the whole semester. Therefore, I'd say rather than piss off those people (who we pretty much agree with) we should regularly make the point that we hate Islamism and it's promotion of Jihad, rather than hating muslims.

Hey, March 20th! I read somewhere, a while ago, that Iran's supposed to conduct an atomic weapon test today.

Gee, I sincerely hope it wasn't bluster.

/just itching for any excuse to bring the vortex of the global jihad down on its knees in pain and thereby solve a lot of the world's problems

#19 Ziggy's Grammy,
"To bad really, I happen to beleive that western civilization is really pretty cool and will be very sad to see it go."

Chill Grams. Western civ is winning, and winning LARGE.

Flight 93.
Afghanistan.
Iraq.
Lebanon.
Libya.
Iran (very soon)
Syria (soon)
head of snake KSA (to follow)

What the hell, it's their Kultur!

# 44 dmjboose

That attitude is going to buy you a lot of grief hereabouts.

# 45 K B

At least if they do, we'll know about it within minutes.

Zombie

You out there ? If so, take a gander at this. Looks like those DNS attacks could get a whole lot worse.

I have never talked with a Muslim yet who sees America as anything more than a fat target.

I am reminded often by the image of the whirling dervish character in Indiana Jones.
There he is slashing and threatening Indy with his scimitar.
Indy pulls out his Buntline Special and
Kablooey...

All this sabre rattling is like that Whrirling scimitar. It is up to us to pull out the Buntline, metaphorically speaking,of course.

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the concept of "unattended computer" (now that I have DSL). Should I add this to my list of Things That I Worry About?

# 52 littleoldlady

An activated firewall will block all but the most sophisticated attempts to take over your computer. There's one built into XP and many others are available. Norton Internet Security includes one, for example. But of course anytime you are not connected to the internet, your computer doesn't exist so far as this sort of thing goes.

# 51 Big L

I believe Jones was packing a Webley.

#53 Mike C.

Okay, I have XP and my Norton firewall is on. (Whew!) But I think with DSL I'm always connected to the internet, no?

Thanks! That list of mine sure doesn't need to get any longer.

Little Old Lady

As long as you have your firewall active, anti-virus active, and have a decent anti-spyware program loaded, you should be okay

*does technical support for a living*

#48 Mike C.

At least if they do, we'll know about it within minutes.

Actually, we'd probably know about it well in advance. Even an underground test is quite a production, the activity visible from overhead. I believe we already know the whereabouts of their prepared test site anyway. I doubt we'd let any test come to fruition. Notice that North Korea hasn't tested any of their "weapons".

Hitting Iran

A sane and studious observer of the international scene addressed the dinner guests and concluded his optimistic analysis of our Iraqi venture with an arresting afterthought. "What we will not be seeing, when President Bush leaves office, is an Iran with a nuclear bomb."

/The Great Satan only has so much patience for all this [expletive deleted]

# 55 littleoldlady

I don't know if people connect and disconnect on DSL or not. Never had it. But I'm on dial-up and I rarely disconnect. Uusually only if I need to reboot. But your not likely to be a target for the kind of attack that can reliably defeat a reasonable firewall program. There are such attacks, but they're usually aimed at large and important targets, and that ain't you or I.

#52 littleoldlady
I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the concept of "unattended computer" (now that I have DSL). Should I add this to my list of Things That I Worry About?

Possibly. I'm no expert, particularly when it comes to Windows machines. but I do know that it is possible for a malicious hacker, under the right circumstances, to remotely take control of your computer. I think doing a few basic settings and precautions will protect you, but you'll have to get answers from others as to what those precautions are. All I know is that on my Mac there is a way to easily stop any unauthorized access.

Generally, it seems these hackers don't go after individuals' computers, but rather computers hooked up to a large network, such as at universities or large corporations. That way, there's a much bigger payoff for them if they succeed in breaking into one, because they can then break into a lot more on the same network. With individuals, they have to try one at a time, which is more labor intensive.

Because of that, you're probably safe already. But if you aren't sure, ask a Windows expert to make sure how to set up your system so that it can't be taken over.

#56 Jewels,

does technical support for a living

You do?! And here I thought you were Paul Bocuse posting incognito!
;-)

/thanks

Ah, I see that as I was typing, several techno-experts already pre-answered your question for me! That was fast.

# 57 K B

I dunno - we might indeed let them conduct a test. That would produce absolutely irrefutable evidence that anybody with access to the VELA network could see first-hand. There could be no arguing with such evidence. And I don't believe Iran (or NK) has the wherewithal to do computer simulations that would sustitute for an actual test.

as to making your surfing experince easier, and your freindly tech-monkies life less aggrivating, I humbly suggest Maxthon browser. IT's built on the Internet explorer shell, and has all sortsa doo-dads, gew gaws, and other helpful plug ins to keep crapware out of yer system.

[Link: www.maxthon.com...]

it has tabbed browsing, pop-up killers, flash ad and irritation wares you can load into it. been using it for six months now. It helps severely

#59 zombie,

All I know is that on my Mac there is a way to easily stop any unauthorized access.

If you don't mind divulging, zombie, I should know about this, too. I usually only connect to the internet on the Mac to send art or text files, but still...

I haven't hooked up the DSL to the Mac yet. When I called Verizon to complain that their facokta instructions weren't working they told me "You'd better call Apple. Macs are EVIL."

/did you ever?!

# 64 littleoldlady

Macs aren't evil, thay're just boutique machines. Kinda like SGIs relative to Suns.

#49 Mike C. 3/19/2006 11:32PM PST

Zombie

You out there ? If so, take a gander at this. Looks like those DNS attacks could get a whole lot worse.

Wow! That is EXACTLY what has already happened to me. From your link:

A shattering new form of the "denial-of-service" computer attack could be on the rise, according to a company that controls some of the internet's core infrastructure.

In a conventional DoS attack, computers are used to send an overwhelming amount of data to a target machine, disguised as legitimate network traffic. This barrage prevents genuine messages from reaching the target and can even cause its servers to crash. Such attacks are sometimes used to extort money from commercial websites that depend on being online to operate.

The new DoS variant hijacks a key part of the internet's address system – the Domain Name System – to amplify an attack and make it harder to defeat. DNS servers act as a directory service for internet users, so their data requests are routed to the correct destination.

To initiate the new type of attack, a message is sent to a DNS server with a forged return address, matching that of the target computer. The DNS server processes this as a valid request and "returns" the results to the target.

The return contain much more information than the initial request, meaning a few thousand forged messages can result in gigabytes of information being sent to the target.

I have already been a victim of this. I didn't know what to call them, so I called them "reverse-spam attacks," since the ones I was aware of involved sending out thousands of spam viruses around the world with my address forged as the return address. Then MAILER-DAEMON servers from Mozambique to Iceland would en masse "return" my spam to me -- often with viruses in tow -- resulting in my mail server getting overwhelmed after I receive 500 viruses per hour or so. They were doing something similar to do DOS attacks on my site, but I was too technically ignorant to understand how it worked, but it seems to match the description from that article.

Little did I know I was a cutting-edge victim!

littleoldlady

Okay, Are you running 1 PC attached to the DSL or multiple?

# 66 zombie

You just never know what you'll find when you click on New Scientist.

#56 Jewels (AKA Julian)

As long as you have your firewall active, anti-virus active, and have a decent anti-spyware program loaded, you should be okay

You can always power down your hard drive boxen when you're not using it. All the evildoers on the internet can't attack a hard dirve that's dormant and not spinning and they can't turn it on remotely either.

That's correct, isn't it?

/if not, you can power down your hard drive boxen and switch off the power strip, it'd take a miracle to remotely switch on the power strip

#67 Jewels,

Just one PC. I haven't (and most likely won't) hook up my daughter's PC to the DSL. She wastes so much time on the internet I even have her on a timer. But I would like to hook up the Mac at some point...

I am running XP with Norton, and ewido. AOL's "security junque" kicks in every so often, but I probably should disable it since it has NEVER found a single bad thing. None of this stuff has prevented that WinFixer crap from popping up here and there. It's very annoying.

#64 littleoldlady

Click on your "System Preferences," then on "Network," then make sure your "Security Level" is set to something higher than "None." Beyond that, I'd rather not say in a public forum.

#69 Killian Bundy

I run my stuff through a UPS. powerstrips won't even slow a real power surge down and it has the virtue of have actual circut breakers built into it if a lightning bolt hits

littleoldlady

Okay,

I run Win XP over DSL myself. I run it with the XP firewall and my PC motherboards Hardware firewall enabled, so hackers will get annoyed and go away.

For Anti Virus, I run AVG Anti-Virus (freely available on the web), and Ad Aware SE Presional Edition (also freely available on the web). Spyware is the biggest headache us tech types have had to deal with so far, so having a robust anti-spyware program on your system is pretty much a must these days.

Maxthon is very good for a I.E. based browser. If you are leaning towards a netscape style browser, I suggest Firefox Or Mozilla.

#71 zombie,

We must be running a different OS (10.4.1) because my security menu doesn't have that. And I'd better call my Mac-guy...sigh.

#72 Jewels (AKA Julian)

I run my stuff through a UPS. powerstrips won't even slow a real power surge down and it has the virtue of have actual circut breakers built into it if a lightning bolt hits.

Right, I guess my point was, no matter what type of internet connection you have, if you turn your computer off when you're not using it, it can't be remotely accessed or compromised because it's turned off.

/it's not a mystery

littleold lady

As to networking solution, you need to get a network router or hub to plug in behind your dsl, as most DSL units aren't set up to run multiple connections at once

# 73 Jewels

Which brings up a good pont. I'll have to make an AdAware and Spybot run on this box today. It's a safe bet TGoP didn't do any in my absence.

and now you know the reason that most technical support staff loathe the mac...the swine keep changing the damned control panels with every revision. OS X 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc has had crap changed around in it when we set up PPPoE in it as well as screwing with the networking and security control panels

#77 Mike C.

Make sure you have the 'deep scan' options for both of those selected, otherwise the programs WILL miss stuff

Who knew that Windows had a built-in firewall?! ARGGG!

Jewels - thank you!

#76 Jewels,

As to networking solution, you need to get a network router or hub to plug in behind your dsl, as most DSL units aren't set up to run multiple connections at once

Verizon sent me this box "Westwell Versalink Model 327W" which, in theory, should allow me to hook up 4 computers (?)

#62 Mike C.

I dunno - we might indeed let them conduct a test. That would produce absolutely irrefutable evidence that anybody with access to the VELA network could see first-hand. There could be no arguing with such evidence.

Without Googling, I assume the VELA network detects seismic events and yes, they couldn't hide an atomic test. That said, there's already way more than enough evidence in the hands of the Western decisionmakers. The cat's been out of the bag for quite some time now.

/I'll grant you that public opinion is somewhat behind the curve and may need a "jump start" to enthusiastically get them on the bandwagon, notwithstanding the LLLs who will stubbornly cling to their "reality based community"

#81

Okay, It sounds like they sent you a network router. is it wireless by chance?

#83 Jewels,

It says wireless, and the wireless light is lit up, but...I have wires. (Specifically that big fat yellow wire.) And I think when they asked me if I wanted wireless (I said no) that I needed to pay more for additional equipment or something.

/veh iz mir. I hope you don't think it's easy being this clueless...

#84 littleoldlady

It says wireless

Assuming youre using a laptop, can you move it away from the DSL modem without trailing a cable?

/if not, you're not using a wireless connection

# 79 Jewels

Always. Not much point in running a scan if it isn't a full scan.

# 82 K B

Yes, the VELA network is the global seismic event network. The only way to set off a nuke without it being detected that way is to set it of well above ground level, in which case it's even more obvious.

Little Old Lady

Okay, I'll try keep this simple.

The Westell network router you have appears to be a wireless capable router. this means if you get a wireless card in the future for a laptop or a desktop PC, they will be able to run a connection without using the yellow cable (which I'm guessing is a Ethernet cable for your network router).

Secondly, I checked the various search engines I use to fine some information on this model...and struck out. Gomen nasai. Otherwise I'd help you set it up. What you will need to do in this case is call Verizon and ask them to help you set up the Network Router (the Westell) as a DHCP Connection.

This way, the DSL router is still doing all the connecition work, while the Westell is merely keeping your PC's able to talk to the DSL and handing out connection IP addresses (lacking a better term, and IP address is kinda like a phone number in the internet telling the rest of the network where your PC's are and where to send the information).

Thirdly, You'd want to call Apple after the previous steps have lead toa working connection from the ISP (verison) to your DSL, to your Westell, yo your PC. Then just ask them to help you se up a LAN connection in the MAC. after that, you should be okay

I hope this was helpful

#85 Killian,

Using a tower, and...I have wires. (Boy do I have wires!)

#87 Jewels,

THAT WAS SIMPLE?! Ha. Okay. I copied and saved it all. (Where do you look on a PC to see if there's a wireless card? This baby is less than a year old.)

I just thought I would rearrange the office so that I could get the computers next to each other and minimize the wires-all-over-the-place. But you're right. If I change my mind about my kid's computer (which is upstairs), or if I can someday afford a laptop, wireless is the way to go.

I REALLY appreciate your help! THANK YOU SO MUCH!

# 89 littleoldlady

This box is only 3 months old and it does not have a wireless card. Age is no guide here. But if you have a wireless card, you have software for it, so you can always look around to see if you have that.

#89 littleoldlady

Wireless cards tend to cost a good chunk of change and you usually have to ask for one to be installed on the PC when you get it. What brand is it?

#52 littleoldlady 3/19/2006 11:44PM PST

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the concept of "unattended computer" (now that I have DSL). Should I add this to my list of Things That I Worry About?

M'am, you need to set up ( either by asking for geek help, or googling it ) what they now call a "home network" but what we at The Dawn of Time called a LAN ( local area network ). Also known as a hardware firewall. That will stop 90% of the crapware from even seeing your system.

#87 Jewels (AKA Julian)

if you get a wireless card in the future for . . . a desktop PC

Okay, this is obviously yur area of expertise, but, unless there's a spatial problem physically connecting the desktop to the DSL modem/router, what's the point of having a wireless desktop?

/desktops aren't mobile and wireless is inherently insecure

I just found a "wireless network set-up wizard". Is that it?

#91 Jewels,

It's a Dell, and a cheapie one at that.

#93 Killian Bundy

Some people will get signal boosters with the Linksys rotuers I help set up and don't want cables all over the place when they set up they home offices, but prefer to be able to breadboard (upgrade) they systems as they go. Laptops are nice, but upgrade for squat.

Putting in a wireless card to a desk top drops that need for cables across a long way and setting up encyrption on a Linksys isn't that hard. But we do suggest people use PKE or some other encryption format if they set up a wireless LAN like that

# 94 littleoldlady

Hell, run it and see if it finds any hardware.

# 93 K B

Comes in handy if you decide to relocate the desktop but don't want to recable the DSL line. But everybody should be aware that there are security issues. At best, your neighbors may be able to piggy-back off your subscription.

#92 backhoe

My network connection says "LAN connected, firewalled" It's Verizon DSL.

(I hope YOU know what this means. I don't!)

#95 Little Old Lady

okay, then it didn't come with a wireless card built in (you have to ask Dell specifically to put ont into a desk top). Wireless cards run about $65-$70+U.S. As to the wireless set up wizard, thats just Windows Wireless set up program already built in for when you get a Wireless card. Kinda nice for making it easy to set up

Hey, DSL question. I've been told no, but can you split one jack, at the jack, into the DSL modem and the rest, filtered phone, fax, etc.?

/as it sits for me, DSL would require rewiring, cable changing my email addresses, neither worth the hassle at this point

#98 Little old lady

"LAN connected, Firewalled" is windows telling you that your network is connected (via Ethernet or USB) from your PC to the DSL (or network router) and that Windows Firewall is active

littleoldlady

Oh, yeah. 'Jewels' be right. And if you want built-in wireless from Dell on most models, you do have to tell them. And pay for it, of course.

#100 KB

Well...you can, but it won't work very well. most DSL filters are designed with two jacks, one for the DSL unit (which uses the secondary (non-audio) pair on the phone line, and the audio channel uses the primary pair. most phone lines have four wires, the primary and secondary pair respectively.

The reason this tends not to work is the matter of how much current is coming out of a jack and into the filter at one time. christmas treeing the line degrades the DSL signal as less current goes through the line

#103 Jewels (AKA Julian)

The reason this tends not to work is the matter of how much current is coming out of a jack and into the filter at one time. christmas treeing the line degrades the DSL signal as less current goes through the line

That's my understanding. Isn't it true that the filters the ISPs provide are weak sisters that degrade the signal and the best way to utilize DSL is to split the signal off where it enters your dwelling, upstream of any existing phone jacks?

/and, on average, doesn't cable leave DSL in the dust?

I'm going to forego the wireless for now, and just try to get up the energy to rearrange the office.

I have a PC and I have a Mac. I have a PC-guy, and I have a Mac-guy. When something goes wrong with either, I unplug everything and drag the box to the appropriate fixer. The sight of a little middle-aged woman, with tears streaming down her face (I always make sure I bring the tears) lugging a big box into their respective shops, evokes a mighty amount of pity (thank G-d!), and they somehow manage to put everything right. And they don't even charge me much! (Okay. I'm lying. My Mac-guy charges a fortune, but that's the nature of that beast.)

Life is good. Computers, on the other hand...

;-)

"That's my understanding. Isn't it true that the filters the ISPs provide are weak sisters that degrade the signal and the best way to utilize DSL is to split the signal off where it enters your dwelling, upstream of any existing phone jacks?"

Well, no. DSL filters are simple another connection you are putting into a local loop (your phone line set up in the house). The more breaks you have in the line (amount of jacks, splitters on the line, filters and such), the more 'leaps' the current.signal has to make, thus degrading the strength of the total telephone signal (thus the DSL signal).

The option you are referring to is called 'Filtering at the Network Interface Device' or NID. Applying a NID filter runs the DSL connection stright to one jack in the house, bypassing the need to filter the other connections in the house, thus breakage in the line, thus keeping signal strength.

Cable Vs. DSL. in theory and in some areas, Cable will blow away DSL, but this is due to specific conditions:

The amount of cable modem subscribers on the Line vs the total amount of bandwidth the calbe line has to apportion out. If you get one to two people on the local cable modem backbone, yeah...you'll outstrip DSL. now add 50-100 suscribers and now way to upgrade the bandwith. you get the idea.

DSL: lower bandwidth as far as range available for DSL, but you have the bandwidth set aside for each user. And DSL can always add more Equipment for phone lines.

# 106 littleoldlady

Gosh, do you really have computer problems to such an extent that you have regular repair folks ? That seems a bit much.

# 107 Jewels

Hmm. If it just runs over a phone line, maybe I should look into it. This is a dedicated phone line anyway.

DSL is phone line only. Cable modem is designed to run over...err...cable :D

and now...a large cat

[Link: photobucket.com...]

:D

# 110 Jewels

Worth at least investigating, I guess. I sure as hell ain't having new cable wiring installed. Old school here, in the sense of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Especially if fixing it costs money.

#108 Mike C.

I like being prepared. A "down" computer can stop income-generation cold. And besides, I know my limitations vis a vis fixing these things. I'm not as talented as you are! :-)

and we just upgraded toa 6 meg download for our users at my company...a bit behind cable modem...but not much

Good morning to all of you!

Littleold lady:
Two ways to be completely off-line, so nothing reaches your computer from the outside: 1.- When it's turned off (duh), and 2.- When you unplug the yellow cable from the filter. That's what I do when I want to work with the comp and not be on line. If you want to go back on line, just plug the yellow cable back. I don't know much about this, but THAT I know lol.

Notice I didn't steal your line, I'm being a good boy today ;)

#107 Jewels (AKA Julian)

The option you are referring to is called 'Filtering at the Network Interface Device' or NID. Applying a NID filter runs the DSL connection stright to one jack in the house, bypassing the need to filter the other connections in the house, thus breakage in the line, thus keeping signal strength.

Yep, that's it, so NID is no better than up to five filters?

Cable Vs. DSL. in theory and in some areas, Cable will blow away DSL, but this is due to specific conditions:

The amount of cable modem subscribers on the Line vs the total amount of bandwidth the calbe line has to apportion out. If you get one to two people on the local cable modem backbone, yeah...you'll outstrip DSL. now add 50-100 suscribers and now way to upgrade the bandwith. you get the idea.

So, if a cable company advertises 6 mps(?) (or 8 if you pay extra) vs. 3-4 for DSL, they might not be able to deliver that all the time, how ffar can it degrade under heavy use? Is there any way to find out what their performance statistics really are?

/holding out until my ISP and cable company cut a deal and I can keep my email addresses

I had a choice of DSL vs. cable here. Two considerations: 1. Price? DSL is cheaper. And 2. Which company is more deserving of my business? Verizon beat Comcast hands down.

I don't do huge downloads or games, so DSL works great for me.

Oops - forgot. Good morning, dead thread.

NID is better than the filters, but the downside is that you can't move the DSL to another jack if you want. the NID filter is specific to the jack you designate.

Cable modem degradation rate is total bandwith apportioned for line divided byt total amount of users using connection. I've heard it going as slow as dail up if not worse for some people.

[Link: www.dslreports.com...] as well as other speedtest sites have ways of checking total speed on your download

Uh-oh...before Miguel decides to misbehave...

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Aha. Unplug the yellow wire! miguel you are a genius! LOL!

Good morning Mike
Mike the Oficial Dead-Thread Opener ;)

#117 Littleoldlady

You might want to look at consumer reports for the companies evaluation for yer area. I can't give an impartial answer...because Verizon is a dirty word on the desk Where I work. They saddled us with a shot to hell network in KY that we're still rebuilding after 3 years after we purchased it. We hate them.

# 113 littleoldlady

That I well know. My laptop is a pure business tool. If it stopped running for much more than a day, I'd forced to drastic measures.

# 117 littleoldlady

I've downloaded SP II over a dial-up. Twice. Talk about time consuming...

#121 littleoldlady
When you are ignorant about something, you try to find easy ways to deal with it. I guess, at least me lol.

# 122 Miguel

'Morning Miguel. What's up down south ?

#111 Jewels (AKA Julian)

and now...a large cat

And now . . . Snowball!

/there's a difference between large and fat

# 123 Jewels

How fast is the average DSL compared to dial-up ?

#126
Things are fine in general around here now. I'll try to enjoy peace up to July 3rd (we have general elections on July 2nd) because I'm afraid after the elections there's going to be trouble one way or another. So, I'm basking on the peace and stability we are having for the next 3 1/2 months.

I hope I'm wrong, anyway.

#128 Mike
About 500 kilobits per second vis-a-vis about 35 kbps, as far as I know.

# 129 Miguel

BTW, what the $US/peso exchange rate these days ? I haven't worked in Mexico since 2004.

well for my ISP it goes something like this

DSL 'lite' 256k down/128k up or 5x/2x

Primary Teir 1.5 meg/384k or 24x/6x

Ultra 3meg/384k or 48x/6x

Extreme 6meg/384k or 96x/6x

this does not include business class or SDSL adjsutments

# 135 Miguel

Better than 10 to 1 ? That's a serious difference then. Perhaps I will look into that. Might be worthwhile now that I have a computer running at a modern clock speed with a modern OS.

#131 Mike
The rate has been very stable the last few years. It's like 10.60 pesos per dollar now.

#132 Julian
Here in Mexico the minimum DSL transfer rate is about 500 kbps down. We are more advanced than the States! Hohoho! :p
That's for about 38 bucks a month, tax included.

# 132 Jewels

Hmm. Food for thought. I'll have to check things out and see what I find. All depends on costs, of course.

#123 Jewels,

Obviously ;-) I am not the one to address technical issues. I based my decision on rip-off quotient. While Verizon makes every attempt to introduce plans that will save me $$$ on phone service, Comcast never misses an opportunity to raise my cable bill for no apparent reason.

Of course, Verizon has lots of competition in the phone biz and Comcast has none in cable. But as a consumer I tend to choose the more pocketbook-friendly company.

#133
Yes Mike, at least 10 times faster. If your OS is recent and your processor is working at least at 1.5 GigaHertz, it's really worth while.
I have only 128 Megs of RAM and I need to upgrade that, I'm having trouble sometimes for lack of memory.
/Where was I...? Oh, that's another kind of memory lol.

#134 Miguel

My Companies problems in slowness have been having to upgrade the crapulent tech we've been saddled with when we buy out a company once we get everything stable...then we syncronize the speed upgrade across the network. We've jsut hit 6 meg downloads and mnaged to keep it stable across the network. We're currently pushing for 8M DLs. I've got the six meg and have consistantly hit 700 KBPS downloads with the new upgrade.

so...um...Wooo-Pah! :D

Double-hmm. $ 19.95/month for my current unlimited dial-up v. $ 44.95/month for the lowest-powered DSL. I'm starting to be less than impressed.

#138 Jewels
LOL! Well, you are talking about a company. I'm talking about every Mary and Joe at home. And nothing beneath 500 kbps all over the land.
Anyway, the owner of the big DSL company is the third richest man in the world. Perhaps it helps.

Mike

$19.95 for our lowest tier of DSL. $14.95 if upgrading from dail up

for regular tier 1, it's $19.95 if upgrading from dail up. so you pay the same you are for dail up and get the 1.5 meg DLs :D

The third richest man is a Mexican Arab by the way. What should we make of that?

Mike, what Julian says in #141 is really worth considering.
/Butting in shamelessly

Mike

Dunno what state yer in, but I'd suggest asking around and see if you can bundle your DSL service with anything else. it'll save cash

Gunmen storm Gaza gov't compound

Dozens of Palestinian gunmen stormed Gaza's government compound on Monday, firing in all directions and battling with policemen, witnesses said.

Just another Gaza Monday.

Do the Palestinians really want a state?

Not if it includes Israel.

Squirrel sex-life research is nuts: Tory

It sounds nutty, but it's true: Premier Dalton McGuinty's personal ministry is spending $150,000 to study the sex lives of northern flying squirrels.

/and I'm hovering like a fly, waiting for the windshield on the freeway

#145 Killian Bundy
I have the impression that lefties and muslims have severe problems with sexuality. Perhaps that's why they are so twisted in their view of the world.

Look at this:

#2 The Space Pope 3/19/2006 09:06PM PST

I'd like to meet one of the assholes. About 2 minutes later they would be in desperate need of a dentist.

This guy is using the name of the Pope in vain! Furthermore, he's implying the Pope is violent! As a Catholic, I will have to look for him and behead him! Yes!

Oh, wait a minute. We Catholics don't behead people...

Jewels

I think I'm looking at one of the prices you pay for living out in the country. Things are probably cheaper down in towards the big city, but I don't live there.

ugh...stayed up way later than I expected. anything else I can help people with tonight?

It's time for Monkey Cops.

Jewels,

You're a peach! Thanks again for your help!

Good morning, dead threaders! I've been following this discussion about dsl, cable modem, and dial-up. Here in the boonies where I live, there are no options. As much as I would love to have dsl, I can't justify my one dsl option of $44.95 per month versus my one dial-up option of $17.00 per month. So, Mike C., I know where you're coming from. The dsl option is brand new to this area. So new in fact that my neighbor 1/4 mile up the road does not yet have the option. I guess that's the price you pay for living in rural America, but well worth it when compared with the alternative (living in town, LOL).

and a more relaxed kitty pic

[Link: photobucket.com...]

:D

#146 MigueldowninMexico

I have the impression that lefties and muslims have severe problems with sexuality. Perhaps that's why they are so twisted in their view of the world.

Well, Muslims for sure.

/most normal people don't have to ask the Imam about the proper way to conjoin

#152 windy

it's not that we wouldn't like for our rural customers to have DSL. it's justifying the expense of a milti-million dollar chuck of equipment called a DSLAM being put in the area. We need enough customers to offset the cost before we put one in.

Good night Julian, sleep well and God bless. You are a nice fellow :)
That kitty sure is nicer to see than the fat one. The fat one made me feel sorry for him :(
I like cats too, and dogs.

Ah, yes - as I suspected . Verizon DSL is much cheaper (less than half) than from my local ISP. It is also unavailable here as of yet. That's life in the country for you.

#154 Killian Bundy
That's very right. I found this comment on a Petition to support the Jyllands Posten and Denmark:

Muslims are ALL GAY. They say that women are for children and men for pleasure. BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES

But they kill gay people right?
Their sexuallity is trule screwed up (no pun here :p)

# 152 windybon

What you said. See my # 157.

# 155 jewels

I understand the economics, but until that changes, the whole discussion is rather academic from my point of view. Kinda like a 10 % off sale at my local Rolls Royce dealer. Who cares ?

morning.
bloody hell that afgan guy has got some balls.
they have told him if he converts back to islam, they will drop all charges,but he has refused and would rather die.
why doesent he just pretend to convert and then leave the country and give them the finger.

last cat pic: must attack feet!

[Link: photobucket.com...]

#160
You made me crack up with that example. A 10% off the Rolls Royce LOL.

#158 MigueldowninMexico

That's very right.

Atheists may not agree, but . . .

Islam is Satan's greatest invention, a late comer faux religion, dreamed up by a psychotic pedophile, hardly even worthy of L. Ron Hubbard's get rich quick scheme/ficticious opus, the fantasty alien worshipping cult of Scientology.

/I'd rather wrestle with the Thetans than wipe my ass with rocks

#161 spanishpete
Because there's no taqyya (deceitfulness) in Christianity. Millions of Christians died in the Roman Empire and a lot of them could have averted that fate just by offering sacrifices to the "gods" or the emperor. But they chose to die better than lie about their faith.
There's a huge difference between Christians and muslims.

# 164 K B

Actually, they usually use their hand, you know.

Hi dead threaders.

Just thought you'd be interested in reading a report on a seminar on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict that I did for my uni's magazine: [Link: blackandtaneyes.blogspot.com...]

#161 spanishpete

bloody hell that afgan guy has got some balls.
they have told him if he converts back to islam, they will drop all charges,but he has refused and would rather die.
why doesent he just pretend to convert and then leave the country and give them the finger.

Now that this story has hit the news wires, $1000 says he never gets, and/or succumbs to the Islamic death sentence.

/if he can bring himself to part with Afghanistan, there's lucrative speaking fees awaiting him in the West

#164 K.B.
I agree with that wholeheartedly! Islam is the most succesful Satanic sect in history. The Enemy must be ROFL with the success of his Death Cult aka ROP.

I'm an OT 7. Operating Thetan 7, one of the highest grades in Scientology, but I dropped off when "The Dear Old Man" (Big Brother indeed) didn't want to part the $$ and the Sea Org babes with me! LOL!

Oh, by the way, the report was done by me - not the seminar. Enjoy.

i strongly believe in jesus, but in that situation, or in a kidnapping by islamists.
i think i would pretend to convert and then ask for jesus to forgive me when i was safe.

#166 Mike C.

Actually, they usually use their hand, you know.

And I'm sure toilet paper isn't a foreign concept to a significant percentage of the Muslim population. Once you feel Charmin, you never go back.

/still, what's with the left hand, rocks mandate the Imams preach?

#170 Evan from NZ
Congratulations! That's a good enlightening article. The Palestinian BS has no end to it. That land belonged to England and before that to Turkey. It wasn't owned by the Arabs for centuries and centuries.
/Give the land back to the offshoot of Cro Magnon who settled over there 15,000 years ago! (This will be our cry of battle: GIVE THE LAND BACK TO CRO MAGNON!) ;)

And on the rock business, what if you lived in an area where all you had laying about was obsidian ? I mean, could you get a special dispensation or would you be forced to import rocks ? Otherwise, one careless motion and you could self-administer a circumcision, a vasectomy and a hemmorectomy all at once. Ouch !

# 172 K B

The left hand is the one you wipe your ass with, making use of it to eat with at a goat grab rather a bit of a faux pas.

#174 Mike C.
ROFL! Hahahahahahaha.

MissChe - Yusuf the traitor





We dont care who you have lunch with. The reality remains that you are a loser..pathetic...and an ugly fob (that is probably why u are so adament that IM PROUD TO BE US GRADE A MEAT IN THE MILITARY)..ya..we'll make sure to slaughter you like the good grade meat you wanna be.

You deserve to have your neck sliced! hahha ALLAHU AKBAR to that ; )

Can i have a takbeer plz? ALLAHU AKBAR, allah yin 3an il khayneen!
Ciao

#174 Mike C.

And on the rock business, what if you lived in an area where all you had laying about was obsidian ?

That would be bad.

In all fairness, I assume that the left hand/rock protocol is meant to preserve and advocate whatever hygenic practices were available to Muslims before the advent of toilet paper.

/the problem is that it's now the 21st century and hardcore Imams are still preaching 7th century toiletry tactics as righteous behavior

Oh, dear, you people are talking about DSL vs. dial-up (or have been), and I probably ought to learn about this, but I so much hate to.

Good morning.

# 178 K B

Must mean it's time for a song, then...

"Because it's in the Koran,
it's written in the Koran..."

Film warns of military-industrial complex
UPI -By BURGESS EVERETT
3/19/2006 7:23:00 PM -0500

WASHINGTON, March 18 (UPI) -- In his new documentary, "Why We Fight," director Eugene Jarecki examines the growth of the United States' military-industrial complex from after World War II up to today's controversial war in Iraq.

"Back then, the reasons (for war) were clear -- fascism, genocide, oppression," Jarecki, who also directed 2002's "The Trials of Henry Kissinger," says on the movie's Web site. "Today, if you ask people why we are fighting in Iraq, I think the reasons are far less clear."

The movie, the Grand Jury Prize winner at the 2005 Sundance Film Festival, focuses on the topics of preemption, the industry of war and global economic colonialism by the United States. The documentary uses no real narrator; instead telling a story through interviews with bomber pilots, government employees, politicians and average American citizens in 30 states as it unveils a war-dependent U.S. culture.

The film opens with President Dwight D. Eisenhower's 1961 farewell speech, in which he predicted the problems a permanently militarized United States would have.

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex," Eisenhower said in the speech, often championed by Jarecki throughout the film. "The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

Michael & Oliver rolled into one...
Eugene Jarecki
-- DRG --...†
;>P

It smells like if a POS has entered the thread. As usual POS are all filled with hatred and dreams of slaughter. The funny part is that these POS kill more POS than decent people LOL
Keep up the good work, POS!

# 179 nonic

Pretty simple for some of us. DSL is either unavailable or available only at very high rates. Question resolved.

# 182 Miguel

I didn't quite catch that, either, but I took it for another e-mail from the topic website rather than a personal statement. I could be wrong.

#136 littleoldlady

Of course, Verizon has lots of competition in the phone biz and Comcast has none in cable.

You're outside of Philly, right? That may not be true for you, and if it is, it won't be for much longer. Verizon is oferring phone, internet and video in areas where their FiOS service is available. Mega fast speeds, too.

#184
Well Mike, my comment was aimed at whomever wrote those words, be it the poster here or someone else.

#184 again
Seeing his/her football, it seems he/she is not a POS, in other words, as you said, just posted one of the comments on that site.
My comment stands for the writer if the comment and all like-minded POS.

# 186 Miguel

21 comments (including that one) in 9 months. Jury's still out unless an explanation is forthcoming.

#185 Powderfinger,

Yes, I'm in the suburbs of Philadelphia. No, it's not available yet. TV is in there, too? (I just saw movie downloads.)

#7 zombie

"10-to-1 the entire scenario is fabricated."

That was my reaction, as well.

#181 dustyroadguy

"Back then, the reasons (for war) were clear -- fascism, genocide, oppression," Jarecki, who also directed 2002's "The Trials of Henry Kissinger," says on the movie's Web site. "Today, if you ask people why we are fighting in Iraq, I think the reasons are far less clear."

Somehow, I don't think Jarecki has asked the people who are actually doing the fighting why they're doing it. Except for this guy:

In contrast to the critiques against preemption and the United States' economic war machine is the story of George Solomon, a 23-year-old who signs up to be an army pilot after his mother dies. Solomon represents the thousands of people who turn to the military as the answer for their life's complications.

"These three problems: my mother's death, my financial hardship and my inability to complete my education," Solomon says. "All of these problems are gonna be solved by my enlistment in the military."

Man, our military capabilities have come a long, long way. Of course, you need useful idiots if you're going to make agitprop.

Defiantly Shaky

According to sources with knowledge of the closed-door meeting, Reid pushed back on his colleagues, telling them that it wasn't a good idea to vote to censure anyone with ties to the NSA program, particularly since there was a criminal investigation underway to determine who had leaked the NSA program's specifics, and that investigation could enmesh one or more of their own.

/he's a Bonkey, they're Bonkeys, aren't you glad you're not a Bonkey too?

Just reading the thread. It's so daunting a task, isn't it? They'll never understand; the best we can do is prevent anymore attacks against the west and the US but turning them around...it ain't gonna happen.

#187 Iron Fist
This is very revealing:

You are the biggest idiot I have ever met.

You arent loyal to Muslims? What God do you believe in? Our God in Islam states that we have to be loyal to Islam and its followers.

Zero loyalty to their country. How to deal with people like these?
/And yes, Islam has nothing to do with this.

Ha!

#11 lowandslow

"Must be one of those moderates I keep hearing about."

Yeah. And for those who say that the "moslem" soldier is an example of a "moderate" moslem, you will note that the true believers call him a traitor, and thus don't recognize him as a moslem. I didn't set that standard, they did.

#190 littleoldlady

Yep. TV is in there, at least in most places. There are occassional regional/jurisdictional/contractual/exclusivity things that are preventing them from 100% coverage, but it's pretty close.

Send me your address, and I'll have Karl Rove get with Verizon and move you up the list. :-)

/It's coming...really!

# 187 Miguel

I checked back on previous posts. Doesn't look remotely trollish to me. I think my guess was correct.

#197 Powderfinger,

Comcast OWNS this area. They are a Philadelphia company.

:-(

#26 gonzo

"When they have no readily available boogie man, they will eat each other."

As long as there is one infidel still breathing, islam will have its enemy. Only then will islam turn on its self in a frenzy of bloodlust (oh, there are incidents of moslem-on-moslem violence now, but that is a sectarian and racial thing, and is pretty well contained when all things are considered). I have no problem with Iraqis and Persians as PEOPLE, for example, but I have a great deal of antipathy towards them as MOSLEMS.

#198
Yes Mike, I think you were right. Several of the comments are quite all right.
I still stand by my message to whomever wrote that commentary.
That's why it's good to write something like: hey, look at this comment I found on that site! or some other introduction. To avoid being bombarded lol.

192 Powderfinger 3/20/2006 03:55AM PST

Man, our military capabilities have come a long, long way. Of course, you need useful idiots if you're going to make agitprop.

MSM and Hollywood are working 'double time' to make this into another 'Veit-mire/MIC/its about Oil Stupid' mantra. The harder they try, the more they fail and loonier they look...
-- DRG --...†
;>P

#199 littleoldlady

I've got minions down there building the Ummah FiOS as we speak. We're coming in, and we're bringing the world's fastest growing religion broadband network with us.

Bwaaahahahahaaa!

#35 MoonbatBane

"Remember: The original poster was a US Muslim serving in the US military. Not ALL who call themselves Muslims are the enemy."

HE may look upon himself as a moslem, but islam doesn't.

# 201 Miguel

A bit more clarity would have been helpful. Neverborn might have tried the 'Quote' feature without knowing the new methodology.

#200 hicker
Believe it or not (Ripleyesque fact lol) in the last 25 years or so, Muslims have killed a lot more Muslims than non-Muslims. About a million in the Iraq-Iran war of 1980-1988, over 200,000 in Algeria, more than 50,000 in Somalia, and the list goes on and on and on. Nice fellars, you see?

#204 hiker

HE may look upon himself as a moslem, but islam doesn't.

Well there's the rub. Who is Islam?

#205 Mike C.
Yeah, perhaps he/she doesn't know the new html features.
Not anyone spends hours a day at LGF like me...and some others I know of ;)

#203 Powderfinger,

BRING.IT.ON. (Hurray!) Whatever the type/name of my Verizon DSL is (and even when the promo period ends) it's way cheaper than Comcast high speed.

However, if you have any pull with tech support, would you kindly ask them to stop referring to Macs as "EVIL"?

;-)

Wow! It's later than I though! LOL. I got to go hit the sack. I'll see you all good people around. God bless everyone and their families too :)
Bye!

# 204 hiker

HE may look upon himself as a moslem, but islam doesn't.

See, there's part of the problem right there. Too many people act as if there's some sort of ruling body to islam. There isn't. Up until the Iranian revolution, how far back do you have to go to find a true theocracy ? We're seeing the effects of a relatively recent rise in islamic fundamentalism. And yes, I do know about the early days and yes I do know about the Qur'an. But the situation now has changed in my lifetime. Read "The Battle for God" - there's some pretty good history on this stuff in there.

#44

"Therefore, I'd say rather than piss off those people (who we pretty much agree with) we should regularly make the point that we hate Islamism and it's promotion of Jihad, rather than hating muslims."

I don't know how many times I've said this on lgf, but I'll say it again because some people keep missing the point: A moslem who doesn't follow the core tenets of islam is not a moslem, just as a Catholic who does not accept that the consecrated eucharist is the body and blood of Christ is not a Catholic, and by definition, CANNOT be a Catholic, no matter if he or she proclaims himself or herself to be one. The consecrated eucharist as the body and blood of Christ is core to Catholicism; and the koran and the life of mohammed are core to islam.

Re telephone, internet, and cable TV combinations.

I just moved and had to set up new services. The only telephone provider available to me is Verizon.

I have two lines, both local only, for $15 per month each.

On the telephone I cannot dial outside my area code or something like that. But all five of us in the house have cell phones. I figure I don't NEED to use the land line outside of the area code.

The other land line I'm using for dial up.

My ISP (same as I had before) prorates to $20 a month for unlimited dial-up access and two mail accounts.

Nobody in our house has any interest in TV, cable or otherwise. That's a complete non-issue.

True, the dial up is slow-ish. But I'm used to it. I don't care. And I don't do anything so fancy that it makes any difference to me.

Good Morning Dead Threaders!

There's more evidence this morning that Saddam Hussein trucked WMD's to Syria before Gulf War II started in 2003. But where are they today?

Rashid Khalidi holds an endowed chair at Columbia University and runs a program funded by the United States government. But his political views are in line with the likes of Noam Chomsky. He believes in a 'one-state solution' here in Israel - and not a Jewish state either.

The Palestinian Civil War Watch has heated up today.

Kadima Achora leader Ehud Olmert is being investigated for corruption, but the results are being held until after the elections. Sounds corrupt to me...

IHTGBTWN

# 212 hiker

That ignores the historical fact that up until sometime in the 1100s (I think), islamic rules and regulation were subject to updating. I forget the name of this practice, but it has been discussed here many a time. Then somebody decided enough was enough and no further modification was to be allowed. This spread through much, but not all, of islam. Some muslims to this day consider that to have been an improper decision and want the practice revived. Others, obviously, do not. Just in case you haven't, I've met plenty of Christians who consider Roman Catholics to not be true Christians.

#204 hiker

HE may look upon himself as a moslem, but islam doesn't.

No. Some other Muslims don't consider him one. I can show you lots of Southern Baptists that don't think Catholics are Christians and probably the reverse is true also.

#207 Powderfinger

"Well there's the rub. Who is Islam?"

Islam is the koran and the life of mohammed. That's the core. Then, there are expansions from there, but the core is the koran and mohammed. That core does not recognize a "traitor" as a moslem.

I always do this when I'm job hunting. Very effective.

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#215 Mike C.

I've met plenty of Christians who consider Roman Catholics to not be true Christians.

Stay out of my mind. LOL.

President Remarks on Third Anniversary of Beginning of Iraq Liberation
The White House March 19, 2006

...Today, as well, marks the third anniversary of the beginning of the liberation of Iraq. And it's a time to reflect. And this morning, our reflections were upon the sacrifices of the men and women who wear our uniform. Ours is an amazing nation where thousands have volunteered to serve our country. They volunteered to -- many volunteered after 9/11, knowing full well that their time in the military could put them in harm's way. So, on this third anniversary, the beginning of the liberation of Iraq, I think all Americans should offer thanks to the men and women who wear the uniform, and their families who support them. We are implementing a strategy that will lead to victory in Iraq. And a victory in Iraq will make this country more secure, and will help lay the foundation of peace for generations to come.

My God continue to bless our troops in harm's way. Thank you.

-- DRG --...†
;>P

linky no workee try this:

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# 213 nonic

I live on dial-up. If something noticeably faster was available for a reasonable premium, I'd get it. But if not, what I have seems to work. I'm sure not inclined to triple my monthly bill just so I can post faster at LGF, a fact that thousands probably would cheer.

#212 hiker

The BIG difference is that the "cafeteria" Catholic (who either doesn't accept all the dogma or follow all the practices he's "supposed to") is not under threat of beheading by the diocese, the parish priest, or the local Tridentine mass-goers.

I think THAT'S the part people don't understand.

Whatever they believe or practice, the so-called "moderate" muslims ARE under threat of injury or death if and when THEIR fundies take over. "Moderate" will get cast aside real fast then.

This is what makes islam fascistic. Its followers are not only enjoined to hate and kill all non-believers, but THEMSELVES will be hated and killed if they don't.

#211 Mike C.

"See, there's part of the problem right there. Too many people act as if there's some sort of ruling body to islam. There isn't."

Uh, yes there is. It's called the koran and whatever mohammed did (moslems see mohammed as the purest of lives, and seeking to emulate him is the whole basis of islam, as they see him as having "submitted" to allah); from that evolved the islamic law, or shariah. So, yes, there is a governing body. Today islam sems "fractured" because it doesn't have one supreme leader, or one supreme leadership, to rally behind. They desperately want one, though, and if that person does emerge, watch out!

One cannot be allegiant to Allah and to a nation state at the same time. The logic of total submission compels treason.

All Muslims who pledge allegiance are either apostates or traitors.

Muslims who enter public service should be compelled to assert that they obey man's law before God's Law. Muslims who do not enter public service or so pledge should be considered subversives.

#216 [Engineer] 3/20/2006 04:34AM PST

No. Some other Muslims don't consider him one. I can show you lots of Southern Baptists that don't think Catholics are Christians and probably the reverse is true also.

Amen ! to that, I was raised Southern Baptist, now a Catholic convert (for ~10+ years now)...
-- DRG --...†
;>P

#212 hiker

I don't know how many times I've said this on lgf, but I'll say it again because some people keep missing the point: A moslem who doesn't follow the core tenets of islam is not a moslem

There are many different sects of Islam, each with their own understanding of the Koran just as there are many branches of Christians. To say that someone is not a Muslim because they don't follow the "core tenets of islam" just doesn't make any sense because there is no agreement on what the "core tenets of islam" are.

#223 nonic

The BIG difference is that the "cafeteria" Catholic (who either doesn't accept all the dogma or follow all the practices he's "supposed to") is not under threat of beheading by the diocese, the parish priest, or the local Tridentine mass-goers.

As a "cafeteria" Catholic, I appreciate that about Catholicism...

My worry regarding islam is that the fanatics, as the ones whose beliefs support violence and aggression, will be the ones who "win" regarding leadership of their belief system. I also think that for the leaders of these fanatics (but not necessarily for the run-of-the-mill fanatic), they know damn well that they are pushing a fascist political system masquerading as a religion.

#225 genard

All Muslims who pledge allegiance are either apostates or traitors.

Strange, the Druze certainly consider themselves Muslims, but they serve honorably in the Israeli army.

This has probably already been posted here, but anyways:

Sarandon to Play Cindy Sheehan in Movie...

#226 DRG

Hey, I think I was a bit "forceful" in our discussion the other night (which I did enjoy, btw) -- if I offended, I apologize...

At about the same age Muslims are taught to hate other people we are taught to hate ourselves..

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Shedding light on slavery in the north

OYSTER BAY, New York (AP) -- A group of mostly white seventh and eighth graders sleepily sauntered into their school library one recent morning, soon to get a surprise awakening about a part of their town's history they never knew existed.

"Did anybody in this room know there were 60 enslaved Africans, people, human beings, buried a mile from here?" Alan Singer, a professor at Hofstra University, asked them. "Those people have been erased from history. It is as if they never existed."

I'm sure when that was happening Mr. Singer's (check out his picture -- yuk!) ancestors were being raped and pillaged by people who were every bit as bad.

#211 Mike

as if there's some sort of ruling body to islam

There is. And that ruling body is a gang of thugs -- whatever gang of thugs holds sway at any particular time.

If there were a Vatican, so to speak, of islam, a majesterium to declare doctrine and impose standards, it would be a far less volatile "religion" because bureaucracy itself is a centering weight and there would be some need to accommodate differing cultural attitudes, as there is in the Roman Catholic Church.

But with no recognized institutional authority, whoever screams allie-akbar the loudest or chops the most heads gets to call the shots.

232 christheprofessor 3/20/2006 04:49AM
no offense taken, apology appreciated, accepted, but not necessary...
-- DRG --...†
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#215 Mike C.

"That ignores the historical fact that up until sometime in the 1100s (I think), islamic rules and regulation were subject to updating."

Not the koran, and not the life of mohammed. Things EVOLVED from those, but the one constant in islam is that the koran and the life of mohhamed are "set in stone," so to speak, and cannot be altered.

Look, you seem like an intelligent guy. You see islam as being flexible, kind of a "living" and "evolving" religion, similar to how the liberals in America see the U.S. Constitution as being a "living document," subject to various and sundry applications, depending upon whom at any given momemt is applying it. I don't see islam that way, nor do I see the U.S. Constitution that way. Call me a literalist. I've studied islam, and the over-riding fact that came out of all that study was that islam is a totalitarian and intolerant political and social and spiritual movement that is totally dependent upon the koran and the life of mohammed for its very existence. You see it differently, and for you, that works. It doesn't work for me. We can agree to disagree. I will say this, though: you are one of the more civil posters who take that position. Some get real down and dirty when someone doesn't see things precisely their way. You are civil, and I enjoy your posts, even though I may not agree with all of them. I applaud you for being so.

#234 Luigi,

That farkin' Jewish guilt will be the death of us yet...

# 227 [Engineer]

Worse yet, the cultural aspect of religion, ANY religion, gets short shrift in such arguments. Look at it this way - hundreds of millions of people the world over (if not in fact billions) will in all honesty tell you that various bugs are a taste delight and well worth every penny you pay for them. And no matter how much they tell me that, I still ain't eating no damned bugs. This is not becuse I'm right or they're wrong, it's just a cultural thing that makes my gag reflex kick in. I can't eat sushi, either, despite endless repetitions of "fish on Friday."

The current islamism is a relatively recent thing, as is the trend to theocracy. This is just well-documented historical fact.

#236 DRG

My father's wife (he got remarried after my mother died) was raised Southern Baptist and converted to RC so she could go to church with my father (being of Italian descent, he has to be Catholic -- it's the law) -- she did it on the sly, to surprise him -- she's a peach! Afterward, I jokingly welcomed her to the dark side...

# 228 ctp

Now you're hitting closer to the mark. Islamism is as much a political movement as anything else. And they might win. That's worth worrying about. But let's keep the brush strokes at a reasonable width, eh ?

#227 engineer

Show me one islamic sect that does not accept the koran, or that interprest the koran differently. If there is such a sect, I haven't seen it. The Shia and Sunni, for instance, differ from each other mainly to the extent they disagree on who was the rightful heir to mohammed, as the temporal leader of the islamic faithful.

Good morning Lizards

Al Leiter retires from the Yankees. Leiter was a consumate pro, was a dependable starter for his team and played with the little bumps and bruises. He will be missed. As compared to Woods and Prior of the Cubs who are always hurt and want to call out the national guard if they get a hang nail.

Somehow, having Sarandon play a whiney loser seems like a good fit.

Illinois got smoked and Bradley is still going. I love the NCAA tournament.

Democrat voters.

#229 engineer

The Druze do consider themselves to be moslems, but no other moslems do. That gets back to my earlier point that a "Catholic" who doesn't accept the eucharist may consider himself or herself a Catholic, but that doesn't make them one, as they have rejected the core tenet of Catholicism.

# 238 hiker

No, I don't go in much for screaming and cursing and those cute little acronyms for anatomically impossible acts. But what little I've read leads me to believe that, like most things, this debate is more complex than it may at first appear. However, having said that, agreeing to disaggree is not unusual or dishonerable.

#228 Chris

Hi. :-)

Your "worry" in 228 is exactly what I'm saying in 235.

I think the vast majority of Catholics in the US are cafeteria-style.

#242 Mike C.

I thought my brush width was spot on!

#237 ploome hineni

You beat me to it! I was just going to post the same thing!

3 wood,

Nice words for Al Leiter; I've seen where he wants to go into politics in NJ (GOP). Let's hope so. I posted something the other day about Ray Meyer, who died over the weekend. Weird how we were just discussing him recently.

Props to all those mid-majors who came up big in the NCAA's, especially BRAD beating PITT.

Speaking of NJ, here's a wrap-up of last night's Sopranos episode. Some spoilers, so do not read if you haven't seen it.

#248 nonic

Hi. I don't know if I'd say the "vast majority," but certainly a significant percentage. Frankly, I'd say that a significant percentage of any religion are of the cafeteria variety...

#243 hiker

The Shia and Sunni, for instance, differ from each other mainly to the extent they disagree on who was the rightful heir to mohammed, as the temporal leader of the islamic faithful.

The Sunni accept the sunnas and the Hadiths. The Shia don't. That is a big difference in how they view the Koran and Mohammed.

The Wahhabis have yet a different understanding of the Koran.

The Sufi are different still.

Muslims just don't agree on what the Koran says.

#251 JWF

That was, I believe, the sorriest episode of the Sopranos that I've seen. I also though the first 10 minutes of last week's season opener was a complete waste of time.

I'm getting disappointed with the show...

#230 & #231 ploome & sean -

Sorry, guys, that is yesterday's news. Probably perfect casting actually, but let's hope it is a flop.

#248 nonic

"I think the vast majority of Catholics in the US are cafeteria-style."

But I venture to say that they ALL hold that the consecrated eucharist is the body and blood of Christ, which is at the core of Catholicism. They can differ on confession, eating meat on Fridays, following the tridentine rite or the post-Vatican II rite, but as long as they follow the basic and core tenet, they are Catholics (now, you can have some Catholics in those groups that may say the other is not a good, practicing Catholic, but that's just personal.

Later, time to go to work so I can pay my taxes.

# 238 hiker Addendum

One thing I've learned is that Islam has become much less flexible and much more dogmatic with the relatively recent rise of the fundamentalist groups. As an example, Afghanistan was an islamic country before the rise of the Taliban, but the situation was far less dogmatic as regarded religion back then. And the overthrow of the Taliban per se did not by itself uproot that islamist streak. In many islamic societies, certain behaviors and practices effectively got "a wink and a nod", but are now being shut down due to the rise of various fundamentalist movements. Even 10-20 years ago, restaraunts in Karachi were open at lunchtime during Ramadan, and nobody thought anything of it. Nobody blew them up, nobody burned them, nobody even protested them. Nobody threatened to kill those that patronized them Not so today.

#253 engineer

I have never seen where they have taken the position that the koran is not the word of allah, and thus it can't be challenged. That is the basis of islam. Can one say that allah okayed mohammed having sex with a child of indterminmate age, or with a child of, say nine? Yeah, I guess there can be that difference.

#258 Mike C.

The fundamentalists want to take islam back to its origins. Which brings us back to my original argument same time ago. Islam is an intolerant and militant political, social, and spiritual movement, which has its foundations in the koran and the life of mohammed. The Taliban were fundamentalists of the most literal bent.

Good Morning Youse'all from a partly cloudy, cold (32 degrees) and windy New York City!
How is everyone this morning?

#253

Christians don't agree on what the Bible says, either.

ctp,

Strange doesn't begin to describe it, but read that review and it makes some sense. I'm assuming David Chase has a plan here, but we'll see.

Since I'm taking a business trip next week, I need to make sure I don't lose my license and passport and wind up in the purgatory known as Costa Mesa.

#260 hiker

The Taliban were fundamentalists of the most literal bent.

And the people who did the majority of the heavy lifting while crushing them were muslims.

Can we ask the Koran and the life of Mohammed which group are the true muslims? If it's the governing body...

#259 hiker 3/20/2006 05:16AM PST

Ok, this is not going to a popular statement, but as far as facts go, the Virgin Mary was betrothed to Joesph at the age of 10 and gave birth to Jesus at the age of 12 according to the best historical evidence available today, does that make G-D an adulterer and pedophile ?...
arranged marriages with young girls was a historical and cultural 'norm' of that time...
-- DRG --...†
;>P

#254 christheprofessor - Morning, Chris! This is certainly an intense Dead Thread, no?!
Could you do me a favor and shoot me an e-mail when you get a chance, there are a couple of questions I'd like to pose to you.
Thanks!

#262 krazykounselor

Holy shit! The kid actually got one right! Congratulations, kk!

#263 jwf

If I get the chance, I'll take a look at it.

That said, the problem is precisely that one has to read a review for it to make sense. I didn't find the show last night entertaining or engaging at all...

On your trip, stay away from Uncle June and hotel staircases...

#251 Jammie

I posted something the other day about Ray Meyer, who died over the weekend.

Coach Ray was the nicest person I have ever met. I met him a few times when I went to school there. First time I met him I thought that nobody could be that nice and it had to be a act. It was not.

With regard to the Yankees, I think Leiter's retirement leaves them a little light on the pitching side of things. That's a lot of innings to replace. Could be a long year for Jheka. I see where Boston is taking a flyer on Juan "Gone" Gonzalez. Word I get is Juan was a product of the juice like Canseco was and his body is all broken down now cause of the side effects. But time will tell.

#266 realwest

Yes, but it is interesting...

Just sent you an e-mail, per your request -- subject line is "What's up?"

#257 [Engineer]

Too bad you have to earn your taxes. Ploome heieni and hiker have already given your Druze argument the shaft. Muslims don't conside Druze Muslims.

I repeat my rant: Muslims can not be citizens. In today's polarized atmosphere one has to presume that all people who call themselves Muslims favor God's Law in contradistinction to man's law. Muslims have to oppose the democrat nation state that puts majority derived legislation ahead of shari'a.

Muslims must oppose the nation state. They must be traitors.

# 260 hiker

The fundamentalism is the basic problem here, IMHO. And it's link to political movements. The house of Saud rose in conjunction with the rise of Wahabbism. And even then, everything was fine for a while. Until that started to bite even the house of Saud in the butt, as we see today. My point here is that we need to try and see the complexities here. Not for their own sake, but rather to focus our efforts on doing what will produce the greatest benefit at the least cost to ourselves. "Convert them all or kill them all" is not a practical option, so we might just want to come up with a better game plan. There are no assured wins here, but it does have to be tried. Unless you want to go the 'j-damn' route and just say up front we need to kill 500 million of them, minimum. Although highly unlikely, it is not completely impossible that things could come to that. I for one sure as hell hope not.

As Spiny Norman pointed out last night, the tropical cyclone action for Qld isn't over yet.

Getting thunder here near the I-610 West Loop, between I-10 and US 59

Northeast Harris County and Southern Montogomery county under warnings, but I think hail will be marginally severe.

All this fun reaches Mississippi and far eastern Louisiana towards peak afternoon heating, so that will be today's tornado trouble spot.

They might get the Atlanta race, due to start in less than 3 hours, in today.

#252 Chris

I don't know if I'd say the "vast majority," but certainly a significant percentage

Contraception, non-marital sex, and remarriage after divorce.

I think those three things alone make most US Catholics cafeteria-style.

Then there's weekly mass, which is why every local parish has so many many Christmas and Easter masses, and you better show up early to get a seat.

I think there are probably very few US Catholics who follow every Church rule, which, let's face it, is not easy to do.

Also, my appreciation goes out to the New York Knicks for the gift lottery pick they will hand over to the Bulls in the draft this year. Of course, given the Bulls history they will blow the pick on another 7 foot bust-out like Tyson Chandler, who played 28 minutes last night and got off as many shots as I did.

Mornin' Folks!

I would like to thank you all for having this discussion in a calm and intelligent manner (a rarity on LGF, unfortunately). I learned a lot! I have done zero reading on this, so I can't even make up my mind as to which of you are right/wrong, but if I can summarize and pose a question...

Depending upon your position, either all, some, or a few Muslims in this country are, due to the nature and/or practice of their religion, enemies of the U.S., our system of government, lifestyle, culture, etc.

No matter what the actual number is, what are we going to do about it?

# 271 genard

But they have been. For many centuries. Because the vast majority of muslims did, in fact, sort of 're-interpret' those little bits of the Qur'an. The Ottoman Empire was NOT a theocracy. Not even f'ing close.