Interesting observation.

No surpise, we know which side the LSM is on.

Is anyone surprised? Jihadists wanting to blow us all up? It just doesn't fit in with their view of the world.

The MSM doesn't just wear rose colored glasses, their's are blacked out.

The Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations asked Muslims to co-operate with security agencies to fight terrorism.

The fact that Muslims were asked to co-operate speaks volumes.

Vandals smashed 30 windows of a Toronto mosque and damaged nearby cars after the arrest of 17 suspected al Qaeda sympathizers accused of planning bomb attacks. Canadian Muslims expressed fear on Sunday that a backlash had begun.

I don't care. Broken Windows vs. Muslim "backlash"

""It's going to come down to nothing, that I'm sure of," said Mohammed Abdelhaleen, whose son Shareef is among the accused. "I'm suggesting there to be no foundation, for any of them. They are playing a political game."
Police said the group had acquired three tonnes of ammonium nitrate -- triple the amount used in the Oklahoma City bombing."

Er, OK, then daddy-o, what do 17 Toronto boys need with that much nitrate? Gonna buy a farm outside of Brantford on sumtin?

/puh-leeeze

The actual weapon that was used to break (the windows) is unknown,” said secretary Ameer Ali of the International Muslims Organization of Toronto, which houses the mosque. “We believe it has to be a heavy instrument, possibly a sledgehammer or a pick ax, or it could even be a crowbar.”

Typical lazy, worthless, fill the pages with meaningless jabbering journalism. How about a brick or a bag of ice (melts away and disappears - leaving police to ponder for weeks as to what kind of blunt object caused the destruction ...) Of course, without blah, blah, the article would be a third of the length, exposing the lack of sold advertizing space in the newspaer ...?

Wow! Anti-Muslim backlash-already? As if on cue...

This calls for a precision drill!
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

The actual weapon was the Central Zionist Brain Stem.

Oh NO! a crowbar of hatred in Canada.. call out the Mounties.. we must find the ones responsible for this out rage.. mean while give the terrorists bail a free lawyer, and talk about how much they care about this happening to Muslems arround the world.. is just natural they would have a little explosives arround to protect canadian Muslems with..

Pieces of glass everywhere?! Oh, the geology!

What a bunch of whiners, if they didn't do it themselves. It's hard to imagine anything easier to replace with such short-lived consequences, not excluding the automatic PR from the DMS: dhimmi media scum.

“The actual weapon that was used to break (the windows) is unknown,” said secretary Ameer Ali of the International Muslims Organization of Toronto, which houses the mosque. “We believe it has to be a heavy instrument, possibly a sledgehammer or a pick ax, or it could even be a crowbar.”

And this is relevant because...?

The dreaded "anti-Muslim backlash" has begun,
maybe with a pick-axe, maybe with a sledgehammer, maybe with a crowbar.

I just wonder who's wielding the insturment of anti-Muslim terror.

I wouldn't be surprised if the mosque regulars were instructed to vandalise their own mosque so they can plead backlash and racism to the press and to stir up militant feelings in the rest of the bomb building community.

I was listening to CBC's Cross Country Checkup
this afternoon.

Most of the callers were moslems (for the 1/2 Hour I listened) and it was the usual multi-culti drivel.

George Booosh, Stephen Harper, root cause, racial profiling, bla bla bla.

I wish more people were shocked and outraged by the MSM these days...I know none of us here are shocked anymore, but at least we're outraged. Stupid dhimmis! It's disgusting. If it wasn't for LGF and conservative talk radio we would all of us be mushrooms -- kept in the dark and fed a pile of sh*t.

“We believe it has to be a heavy instrument, possibly a sledgehammer or a pick ax, or it could even be a crowbar.”

Implements beyond the understanding of this stone aged freak.

Sure. Bring it on out. The day after 3 tons of amonia nitrate is confiscated from several "broad spectrumed" youth in the Toronto region, a mosque is defaced, and we, the hapless, would be, victums, must feel shame.

Obviously they have to start monitoring crowbar websites...

It could have been a menorah, or a kiddush cup..

"Vandals smashed 30 windows of a Toronto mosque and damaged nearby cars after the arrest of 17 suspected al Qaeda sympathizers accused of planning bomb attacks. Canadian Muslims expressed fear on Sunday that a backlash had begun."
Wouldn't surprise me at all if those vandals were of Muslim origin, ya know, get a head start on the whining over a backlash. And we know the "youts" of France have developed firebombing cars to an almost art form.
And still, the Ancient Media suprises me with it's lack of interest in the guys arrested for suspicion of making one helluva big bomb.

Clearly this calls for an influx of "security officers" to stabilize the situation.

I just checked, and the Canadian arrests were the lead story on ABCNEWS.com.

#16 whiterasta

Jeeezusss..you listened to that verbal diharea for that long. Get your ears cleaned-or candled or something...

#20 JeffS

Hahah. Actually, Dr. Elmasry was just on the CBC now-they have identified the weapon as a deep penetration of a Zionist Hair Beam.

#18, Radford:

"...and we, the hapless, would be, victums, must feel shame..."

Very well said, the National Post reported a CSIS document stating we are being victims of PC.

#20 Jeff S.

Or a tallit. You know, the old time ones with the square metal buttons about the collar.

#18 radford

You nailed it, the would be victims of violence become the perpetrators of violence as the Islamics and their MSM buddies pull the "anti-Muslim backlash" boogeyman out of their hats. And so any Islamic crime or planned crime gets swept away and the "real victims" become the Islamics.

Works every time.

How many windows, and lives, were lost here -- with 1/3 the explosives?
[Link: www.thunderpublications.com...]
[Link: www.thunderpublications.com...]

What the hell difference does it make if the windows were broken with a hammer, a crowbar, or a goddam croquet mallet?

What a very odd thing to discuss...I say...

They broke the windows themselves. I can't prove it, and I know it's a very ungenerous interpretation, but I smell a rat.

from Globe & Mail:

Waiting for his son outside the Muslim Community Centre in Mississauga, Nadeem Mian said he moved back to Canada because of the anti-Muslim backlash in New York City after the al-Qaeda attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

"It was bad, it was really, really bad. That's why I'm here in Mississauga," he said.

“The actual weapon that was used to break (the windows) is unknown,” said secretary Ameer Ali of the International Muslims Organization of Toronto, which houses the mosque. “We believe it has to be a heavy instrument, possibly a sledgehammer or a pick ax, or it could even be a crowbar.”

Was the broken glass found inside or outside the Mosque?

Just askin'.

Since they are playing "Clue" was the broken glass laying on the outside or the inside of the building... hmmm.

Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair said the 17 suspects arrested for allegedly plotting a terrorist attack on Canadian soil were motivated by politics, not faith, and had nothing to do with the city's Muslim community.

#15 cabalofdoom

I totally agree. The [bigoted word]s did it themselves to invoke sympathy.

#25 WriterMom

They're on to us. Switch to the Sheitl of Doom.

/dons titanium yarmulke

36 GNIDAthe#seCond
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#26 writer mom:

Yes well that was all the bat guano I could stand in one day.

Actually, Rex Murphy did give an imam a hard time. But the point I'm making is that most of the callers were ROP types.

Almost like they were organised or something.

Trying not to be paranoid.

(Just because you are paranoid, does not mean they are NOT out to get you.)

"Thank you for your purchase of our Acme Crow Bar, Mr. Jones. Now, as you know, there will be a two-week waiting period while we run a background check."

“We believe it has to be a heavy instrument, possibly a sledgehammer or a pick ax, or it could even be a crowbar.”

Well, hell, I guess that rules out my ostrich feather theory.
/beware the Zionist ostriches!

Broken glass? Bullshit. How trite. Not even a burning cross. (Oops, hope I didn't give the inman an idea)

#28 M.M

:)

Yes-those tallits are very, very scary weapons.

This is about the time that the papers will be filled with stories about HOW IT FEELS TO BE A PERSECUTED MUSLIM. IT FEELS REALLY REALLY BAD. BAD AS THAT ROTTEN FALAFEL THAT AHMAD STUCK IN MY PITA, etc...

#31 Glaucon

Revise:

but I smell a rat.

Rats are not hallal.

As I stated before in another thread, the MSM is doing its best to portrey the [bigoted word]s as the real victims. Excuse the acrid irony, but this was a very successful tactic employed against the Israelis. Everytime a [bigoted word] terrorist would blow up a cafe or bus, the MSM would whip into gear and grab some Arab tool who would wax about the "occupation". Sorry, folks if I don't seem more sympathetic, but the chickens have come home to roost.

The [bigoted word]s have the propaganda ploys down to a T or should I say B, for bomb? Like the Nazis the [bigoted word]s are very adept at throwing fire bombs and then playing the victim card.

Wake up people, Sauron is on the march and there aren't many of us left in M.E. (no not the Middle East) who recognize this and are willing to fight.

Acting Sergeant Michele Paradis of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said that police do not anticipate more arrests, but "reams" of evidence still must be analysed.

AL-J put this tidbit at the end of the article.

Toronto mosque vandalised after raid

#38 JeffS

ROFL!

We always have Torah Tenticles of Doom to try out, too.

hamas v fatah [Link: www.turkishdailynews.com.tr...]

#33 brick

A very good question indeed!

#40 whiterasta

Where in Canada are you?

I was at the Toronto airport today-and frankly, the number of burka clad, Arabic speaking people there was unlike any other time I have been there. You're not paranoid-and they are out to get us.

I have been laughing out loud at some of Andrew Coyne's comments at [Link: www.andrewcoyne.com...] He is oe of our finest columnists up her in GWN.

WriterMom
Um... were they leaving?

"crossing fingers"

The MSM ignores the real story and gets things back on the proper "Muslims are victims" angle.
The liberal paradigm can not account for what's happening in the world today, so events are recast into the cookie cutter mold of victims and oppressors; Capitalist exploiters and third world exploited.

They may not admit it, but Marxism has left an indelible stamp on the face of modern Western liberalism.

To my way of thinking, Liberals see themselves as enlightend saviors of the oppressed and down- trodden. There is no moral high ground for liberals if they're on the side of the powerful country, company, or culture, so they side with the the weaker party even when they're hate filled murderers planning on killing the innocent.

waves at St. Pancake :)

Big Whoop-picture of the vandalism...

Sssshh! Ixnay on the orahtay!

#24 Chip Designer - I just checked the ABC news headlines (see column on right) and the first three were:
1. Indianapolis Neighbors Mourn Slain Family
2. Mourners Remember Girl in Mistaken ID Case
3. Masked Gunmen Kill 21 Shiite Students
4. Canada Police Use Sting in Terror Arrests

Perehaps you were confused by the three second rotation of video headlines, of which one was a reference to "home made terror"?

The highly "intellectual" liberal media thinks muslim jihadists are merely fools and will always be thwarted, and in order to look good to the world, they will never critically expose a poor "knuckle-dragging minority" (their view) - hence, they will only discuss the "truth" if they feel they are being left behind by rivals ...

#53 St. Pancake

Oy-some were clearly "Canadians"-lots of Somalis, Arabs. I don't know if it matters if they were coming or going. They got lots of misphocha all over the place.

#38 & 48
If them thar tentkills don't git 'em, these damned shor will!
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

55 Dublin(CA)Dude
"waving gleefully"
How are you"

"Forming a new committee, the Help a Muslim Leave Canada" Group.

The actual weapon that was used to break (the windows) is unknown,” said secretary Ameer Ali of the International Muslims Organization of Toronto, which houses the mosque. “We believe it has to be a heavy instrument, possibly a sledgehammer or a pick ax, or it could even be a crowbar.”

Wow, that quote suggests that those windows were made of bullet-proof glass (polycarbonate sheeting laminated between glass layers).

Q: What kind of religion goes to the expense to put bullet-proof glass in all the windows of their houses of worshop?

A: A religion not of peace.

Just a nice-sized throwing rock would shatter any normal window, no heavy weaponry required.

Toronto Star:

Although police haven't officially said so, sources have told the Star's Michelle Shephard that the final act in the multi-year investigation came when federal agents intercepted the group's order for the fertilizer, and arranged to have it delivered by truck.

But, the Star has learned, police switched the fertilizer with a harmless powder before making the delivery.

After the deal was done, the handcuffs came out.

St. Pancake

I'm doing much better, thanks.

Where do I sign up? And can we expand that group to include all of North America?

WriterMom 60
Maybe the Canadians should form a new Condomist Party?

Oh, that was bad!

Anyway, I still waiting to hear Carloyn's take on this matter.

#55 Dublin(CA)Dude - Hey don't distract her, or she'll wind up rogering this thread too! LOL!
How are ya my friend?
Mentioned this to St. Pancake on the last thread, but I won't be on LGF (except possibly for tomorrows Dead Thread) for a week or so, gotta go on a short trip. So if I don't see ya later tonight, have a great week!

Did the media misplay their hand here? How can you start the backlash stories without begging the question 'backlash from what'?

Not that anyone would ask that question, but it's out there now.

Backlash from what? Was there some kind of fertilizer controversy in Canada? Farmer profiling?

We are in deep trouble.

Dublin(CA)Dude
Heck yeah! Being half-Canadian, this Texican feels the need to help out the Mapleleaf gang.

GNIDAthe#seCond
I am so glad the mounties had their act together.

#67 realwest

Have a good trip. My surgery has been rescheduled for 6/19, so I too will disappear for a few days when that happens.

#63 really grumpy big dog johnson - Excellent observation my friend. Check out my #22.

#61 cbinflux

Mmmm, hot dogs...on the lighter(?) side,
apparently, Paul McCartney's wife made pr0n!

The Jihadist Sympathizers are Seething over Toronto Arrests at Chiapas Indymedia

All Muslims everywhere need to suppress cooperation with such debased criminals as the RCMP - and ostracize from the community any who do cooperate with them in any capacity.

Is that a threat to "collaborators"?

Writermom,

I was in Montreal last weekend. We stopped at a major playpark for kids. Great equipment, the most expensive artistic stuff made in Berlin and the USA.

90 percent of the parents there were speaking arabic, 5% spanish, and the rest french.

The women were almost all burka clad, the men in undershirt type things.

They all seemed pleasant enough but I realized these people probably sat at home watching television and praised allah everytime a bus was blown up in Israel.

Major creepiness, if you know what I mean.

It was like another planet.

Here's the latest Yahoo!News story on this.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Of course, it starts out:"Canada police use sting in terror arrests

By BETH DUFF-BROWN, Associated Press Writers 16 minutes ago

MISSISSAUGA, Ontario - The Royal Canadian Mounted Police itself delivered three tons of potential bomb-making material to a group that authorities said wanted to launch a string of attacks inspired by al-Qaida, according to a news report Sunday."

Oh, those evil, insidious Mounties.
Persecuting the Religion of Peace like this.

#72

Pork sausages as poison tipped arrows.

They both had hits making Norweigen Wood.

The MSM sweeping islamists' threats, violence, genocidal rhetoric, "cultural" aberrations and the like, under the proverbial carpet, is well past the point of surprising anyone.

#40

"Almost like they were organised or something."

Exact same thing happened here in Sydney, Australia following the Muslim riot last December, where they drove through Sydney in convoy, smashing cars and people with baseball bats and iron bars...stabbings as well.
Also, I heard shots fired, apparently they were armed with Glock pistols.

Three out of every four callers on talkback radio that night were muslims, spreading their taqiyya and disinformation, playing the victim for all it was worth, etc.

They were organised alright.

“We believe it has to be a heavy instrument, possibly a sledgehammer or a pick ax, or it could even be a crowbar.”

Too bad not 3 tons of ammonium nitrate w/diesel.

OT
kos kiddies seem to think that...well, you'll see:

Waller argues that the capacity for mass violence is a normal one and that it can be conditioned, or brought out, by various environmental factors including societal polarization and also the use of demonizing and dehumanizing language, and other forms of hate speech

choices? what are those?

Google news is suffering this same problem.

Search for "Toronto" on Google News and the first result is a headline about the mosque vandalism...

...and the source of that news is AlJazeera.

Coulda' been one of these too.
Very concealable, cheap, and does a number on all non-UL or NIJ rated glass. Even vehicle laminated.

30 panes of glass, $4,000.00

Spring loaded center punch to break 30 panes of glass, $3.99

Getting the MSM to help you get back your Victim Status, priceless.

slightly OT - DEBKAfile Exclusive: Palestinian PFLP-GC hang-glider instructors relocate from Lebanon to Gaza to beef up Hamas military arm

that it was not wise to get involved with the occupation of Afghanistan?

first attempt foiled

Well, Ummah is on it, as believed.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89232

#74 Maine's Michael

The women were almost all burka clad, the men in undershirt type things.

And therein lies the difference between covered up Moslem women (walking ten feet behind their husbands), and modestly dressed Jewish women who cover their hair. Those Jewish womens' husbands dress with equal modesty, and their heads are also covered. The latter is a religious custom, the former is misogyny.

#71 realwest

Yeah, earlier today I saw some images on TV of the broken windows, and it looked like someone had thrown good-sized rocks through them. But that statement above made me think again, and I realized that there wasn't a single window of the several I saw that had a hole in it any larger than about the diameter of the head of a medium-sized sledge hammer, maybe 6-8 pounds.

That lends strong credence to the concept that it was an inside job. No regular gang of hooligans would try to smash windows, discover bullet-proof glass, and then return to the scene of the crime conveniently now-armed with sledge hammers.

Think about it. In fact, if they were members of the mosque, the police could arrest them, but for a private property crime, you cannot continue prosecution without the consent of the property owner. The worst that could happen would be embarrassment for a group that doesn't embarrass when committing violent acts in the advancement of jihad against the devil pigs of the west.

I'm definitely now thinking insider shenanigans here...

hmmm...

a lot of posts implying the Muslims did the vandalism themselves...

I was thinking the same thing, but it does no good to repeat that (ahem) but instead I will wonder out loud:

no security cameras nearby?

I'm just sayin'...

#85 St. Pancake
Ofcourse its all because of Iraq and Afghanastan. Before we invaded, the islamists were over there flying kites and building sandcastles.

Oh my the "ummah(men of arab, easern origin)" are upset. There is an excess of males in China.

#81 dmjboose "Waller argues that the capacity for mass violence is a normal one..." Don't know who "Waller" is, but he or she is a looong way from the sharpest knife in the drawer.
The capacity for mass violence is a normal one?
I'd add to my previous comment that Waller is an evil person. A dumb evil person, but an evil person.

89 Black George Bush
Howdy fello Houstonian!
Yes, I was thinking the same thing pretty much. If only George had signed Kyoto, then this dreadful misnderstanding would have been avoided.

The damn Marines did this.

/Murtha has started an Investigation.

#22 realwest

"And still, the Ancient Media suprises me with it's lack of interest in the guys arrested for suspicion of making one helluva big bomb".

It isn't lack of interest on the part of the fifth column, er I mean fourth estate, it is disappointment. Those vultures live to see mayhem and destruction. Remember, "if it bleeds, it leads". If those junior Osamas of the great white north had pulled off a major bombing newspaper hacks around the world would gleefully "cover it". If a terror attack is prevented, a Pulitzer prize is also prevented.

#90 rayra

That's why I listen to Larry Elder in that time slot.

#90 rayra "Their show-prep for hosting muslim political activists utterly sucks ass."
I'd agree with you, except I don't think they have ANY show-prep for hosting muslim political activisits.

Members of the terror group went camping last December in a remote area north of Toronto. A local ran into the group and claims one of the members glared at him. They were shooting.

Recall the London Bombers went on a kayak trip prior to attack...

#93 St. Pancake
Hows it going Saint? Lovely evening were having tonight. This is being spun so the Bush forced them to become terrorists. If it hadnt been for Bush, these guys would have been playing monopoly instead.

98 GNIDAthe#seCond
Would you happen to have a link to that? Curious.

#94 imkeyboard

/Murtha has started an Investigation.

And McCain's not far behind.

99 Black George Bush
We are hearing more and more about these country excursions of proto-jihadis. I hope the feds are very aware of this.

#94 ibmkeyboard - Thanks for that slow pitch right down the pipe.
Fuck John Murtha.

And on that pleasant note, I have to say goodnight - it's a tad late here on the East coast for an old timer like me who has a busy damn schedule tomrorrow and all of next week.
I hope to see some of youse'all on the Dead Thread, the rest of you in about a week.
Stay on 'em LGFer's - take absolutely no prisoners!

Good night all.

#98

Recall the London Bombers went on a kayak trip prior to attack...

Between 2 worlds. The "corporate" team mission and the "Islam corporate" team mission.

#76 cbinflux

Touchè.

realwest
"Hugs" Good night, and have a tremendous trip!

The islamic terrorists with the tons of ammonium nitrate are the vandals.

I would not call the window breakers vandals.

The government of Canada, just like the government of the USA, is remiss in not banning islam from the country as a threat to the lives of its citizens.

broken windows are a message, but to the government also.

95
for you
sung to "Scarborough Fair"

Scared Cities' Fears

Are they coming to wage Jihad here?
Subway bombs seem more than mere crime
Can we please put on our listening ears?
Might be the lesser evil in these times

Tunnels and bridges are well-engineered
Bedrock reached past layers of grime
But as elephant falls to small pointed spears
It's quicker to run down a hill than to climb

Are they spreading their green banners here?
Hijack planes to change the skyline
We are so free, what have we to fear?
From closed societies’ cousin bloodlines

Will they switch to disposable phones?
After reading The New York Times
Was that “Aid and Comfort?” Am I alone?
In a Pinch, can you fathom the reason or rhyme?

Extra! Extra! Come read of it here
Our news sources riddled with spies
That which bleeds does lead, from the editor's chair
And US black eyes wins Pulitzer's Prize

When will we finally take off our gloves?
And defend our values sublime
The task’s not impossible; it’s one of love
More than posture at election time

night realwest.
hang in there and you are ordered to get better.
lol

I'm suspicious. I think theres a good chance that it was in inside job intended to build a case for rampant "Islamophobia", as exhibit "A" for the defense team of the 17 perps.

That is the most realistic explanation. Really, if some of the local Muslims were preparing to blow up a building/bridge/stadium/whatever, then what the heck would stop their pals from breaking a few windows to help out with their defense?

I call bullshit on the whole "Mosque vandalized by Islamophobic Canadians" story right now.

Until the Muslims start clamping down on the freak evil killers in their midst, they will probably start to find that the faith is viewed with less and less tolerance. As it is, the media seems faster to condemn Christianity than Islam- even with the organized violence that Islam seems to be inspiring.

#100 St. Pancake

about the training camp north of Toronto where the group was camping in the heart of winter, and shooting... i saw this on Toronto's Global News. The local (he was not filmed) was interviewed... he remembers a few faces from the news... and one of the terrorists gave him an evil look. The mayor of the small town north of Toronto was also interviewed.

I can't find a web link yet.

The arrest of the 17 Canadian terrorist suspects was on the front page of today's Washington Post and the NYTimes. Doesn't exactly seem as if the MSM is keeping it a secret.

#79 and others
They may be organized when they call in to the radio stations, but it's also possible that they were just calling in because the attacks took place in their neighborhoods. I understand that muslims have been known to lie for their cause, especially to the media, but that doesn't mean every time they open their mouths it's taqiyya.

111
greg

Until the Muslims start clamping down on the freak evil killers in their midst,

are you new?

anyone have a link to the truth about islam site for greg?

There is a new top story in my Yahoo News, when I search "mosque."

6 Arrested in Canada Raid Attended the Same Mosque
New York Times - 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
At least 6 of the 17 people arrested in a sweeping counterterrorism operation attended the same storefront mosque in Toronto.

No link because you have to register. Go to Yahoo and type in "mosque."

NY Times! So no current sweepy under ruggy at the Grey Lady.

#115 dmjboose

I understand that muslims have been known to lie for their cause, especially to the media, but that doesn't mean every time they open their mouths it's taqiyya.

How are we supposed to know the differance?

They still claim there was a massacre at Jenin, their concept of truth is differant from ours.

Friars,

Pretty new, yes : )

All I'm saying is that the more the domestic Muslims attack the West, the less tolerance the West will have for them. Well, hopefully in the US at least. The Muslims will start to face some resistance is plots like this start hitting home. Perhaps that won't stop them from trying, but at some point they might. Here in the US at least.

#119 rayra

Always, always, ALWAYS, you go for the counter-chant. Is that a hard-wired reflex of your liberal ass, or is it your chosen mission?

When the premise of this thread is that the MSM hasn't taken note of this event, and many posters seem to have assumed that that's correct, it doesn't really seem out of the way to point out that, in fact, the premise is wrong.

121
fair enough

Canadian Muslims expressed fear on Sunday that a backlash had begun.

Poor widdle [bigoted word]s...someone broke a window. Bullies are usually the biggest pussies around when they get back just a smidge what they dish out. IF they didn't bust the windows themselves.

#83brickthruplateglasswindow
[Link: www.oversurplus.com...]

Everyone should keep one of these secured in an easy-to-reach place in their car in case of an accident in which they can't open the car door.
Happened to me last year.

I think someone stencilled the Danish Cartoons of Blasphemy on the windows, in which case they would break all the windows themselves.

#113 rayra
My take is that by muslims and allahs own admission islam, there is no difference between church & state; the church is the state. That having been said, that makes islam a political ideology. Equal to capitalisim, comminusim, nazisim, socialisim etc.

When we defeated Hitler, we declared the Nazi party a criminal organization. We may take a lesson from the page of history.

greg
see the thing is that the muslims that attack us really aren't the 'radical fringe' or anything like that. Islam openly promotes the destruction of anything non-muslim. That web site that i referred to in 117 points to some very explicit quotes in the koran that promote killing, lying to and subjugating non-muslims. Hang around long enough and you'll find that any public figure that professes to be muslim wants to create a sharia state.

Should have added'" And can't roll down window."

#51 Writermom

I was at the Toronto airport today-and frankly, the number of burka clad, Arabic speaking people there was unlike any other time I have been there.

Well, let's hope most of them were flying OUT.

And the ironic thing is that the Libs are more fearful of a Christian theocracy of some sort (when was the last time there ever was one of those?) than the Muslims, who they view as a persecuted minority in need of protection.

I agree that is the aim of Islam - submission- by everyone to Islam - but they'll have to deal with the realpolitic of the West if they keep trying to blow up Nuke plants, bridges and subway trains. Non-Muslims will get angry and start cracking down on 'em.

#118 rayra

Does he cover CA issues, or is he National / Rush-Lite?

To tell you the truth, I haven't listened to Rush in quite some time. Not that I don't like him, but I prefer Dennis Prager in the morning.

I was listening to both Larry and John/Ken for a long time, but Larry did such an excellent job with the Ra^ther story that I started listening to him exclusively. Plus John/Ken tried to sack my congressman (Dreier), I wasn't too happy with that.

#83 brickthruplateglasswindow

Coulda' been one of these too.
Very concealable, cheap, and does a number on all non-UL or NIJ rated glass. Even vehicle laminated.

30 panes of glass, $4,000.00

Spring loaded center punch to break 30 panes of glass, $3.99

Getting the MSM to help you get back your Victim Status, priceless.

Well actually, no. A punch like that may shatter the side glass in a car, which is non-laminated safety glass, but it won't get you through a windshield, much less bullet-proof glass.

My tool of preference if I need to break auto glass in an emergency is a glass hammer. Less thinking needed and much more easily grasped if in a serious accident with fire or vehicle submersion, and more reliable too, with no moving parts. Mount with velco loop on the driver-side door right near the inside door handle, and feel just a bit safer when traveling.

#132 GregInSeattle

I can think of only one:

I have faith that they have done a thorough investigation," Imam Khanson said of authorities. "But just the possession of ammonium nitrate doesn't prove that they have done anything wrong.

Unbelievble.

OT, but a topic I find interesting... Protest s get fairly serious in Iran

#132GregInSeattle:Remember, it was followers of Jerry Falwell who committed the 9/11 mass murders.
Whoops, that's not quite right...
But they did commit the...
Nope, can't think of any.

#137 GregInSeattle: Iranian protests caused 7 billion rials (about $770,000 according to link) damage.
Yeah, their economy is in great shape.

It's this backlash that CAUSED the terrorism in the first place! Got it? Now go back to sleep!

Thank allah they condemn the as yet unrealized "anti-Muslim backlash". Too bad they can’t condemn their own religious compatriots for their jihad activity.

#140 echoparkdirt:
Pre-event backlash against the planned terrorist event CAUSED the terrorists to plan the event.
It's all so clear now!
You're right.
That will be the Muslim and MSM spin on this.
It's all our fault!

#132 GreginSeattle

(when was the last time there ever was one of those?)

GREAT QUESTION!

I've been trying to think of any Christian clergy in charge of a nation in world history, like the (Christian) Republic of Iran, or anything like it. As far as I know, it's never happened. There's always been a clear demarcation between religion and secular authority in Christianity going back to "...what is Caesar's." Medieval popes argued for a veto of secular leaders, but it was always hotly contested.

When the LLLunatics talk about a "Christian Taliban" it's a complete fiction which has never happened in recorded human history. On the other hand, Islam demands such a thing. What's going on in today's world seems so strange to most people. But it's better to try to figure out what kept the jihad down for so long. I'm reassessing colonialism and imperialism all the time. Nothing else put down the expansion of Islam, from the Seventh Century until today.

It's unfortunate most people don't see broad sweeps of history, but only focus on the latest TV show or political talking point. Amazing how much things make sense if one looks back to 622-1683, but also the fall of the Ottomans.

As they say at Gates of Vienna "We are in a new phase of a very old war."

About five years ago a similar realization hit me like tons of concrete and rebar crumbling to the ground. It had been creeping around in my head during the 1990's, after the first WTC, Saudi housing, embassies, Cole, etc., but finally became clear not too long after 9/11 and a careful reading of the Qur'an. That's a real eye-opener. Much of Osama's 1998 fatwa, I then realized, is just quotation of their allegedly holy book.

#143 Beagle: I'd like to agree with you, but how about the persecution and murder of the Jews and pagans during the Spanish Inquisition? And the Holy Roman Inquisition?

#144 UncleSam

Thanks for the softball down the middle.

#143 Beagle:"I'm reassessing colonialism and imperialism all the time. Nothing else put down the expansion of Islam, from the Seventh Century until today."
You're right about that.
What the LLL's with all their "anti-imperialist" rhetoric don't realize, is that Islam is the ultimate and most pernicious imperialist power, demanding total global totalitarian rule.

#145 Beagle: You're welcome...

#92

Looked it up: [Link: www.amazon.com...]

I submit that it's likely Waller is neither evil nor dumb. Not that I have any idea who he is or what the book is about beyond what that page says.

UncleSam

I should explain. Islam completely mixes the religious and political. There's no distinction. Islam has its own crappy legal system (shari'a), dictator (caliph), and rules of conduct down to how you wipe your butt (left hand only, with stones).

While "Christian kings" did rule in Europe, they never claimed to be religious leaders. While religious leaders did try their hand in politics, they never claimed to be kings. There's always been something of a bright line, which is amazing in 2,000 years of history.

#149 Beagle:"UncleSam

I should explain. Islam completely mixes the religious and political. There's no distinction. Islam has its own crappy legal system (shari'a), dictator (caliph), and rules of conduct down to how you wipe your butt (left hand only, with stones)."

Yeah, I know. Thanks.
If you wipe your butt with stones, you're gonna be angry.
Which is the perpetual state of the Muslim.
It's a maniacal totalitarian system of mind control, which controls even the smallest matters of life.

Beagle

Killer Tomato labeled Islam a "theocratic totalitarianism" and I agree. Their agenda is political... their goal, world domination, (of course they are insane) and their "religion" a false front to paper over their political aspirations.

The religion side is nothing more than the world's biggest cult.

#150 UncleSam

It's a maniacal totalitarian system of mind control, which controls even the smallest matters of life.

Islam is "a portable theocratic state." (I forget the author's name.)

The only thing he left out is "always-expanding." Every nation with Muslims, throughout history, if they get a foothold, reduces the non-Muslim population to a shrinking minority. Spain, Italy, and France, among other European nations, amazingly, didn't learn their hard-earned lessons from the medieval conquests of Islam. The massacres and scorched-earth tactics of Muslims from the Seventh Century onwards have been wiped from history books. Even the Hindus in India pretend Tamerlane didn't make pyramids of human heads, slaughtering village after village, for a total massacre of 50,000,000 plus.

The "lessons of history" quote has never seemed so apropos or critical than it is right now. Where have you gone, Charles Martel?

#143 Beagle

There's always been a clear demarcation between religion and secular authority in Christianity . . .

What about Henry VIII, Anne Boleyn, and the breakaway from the Catholic Church? Neither the fact that Henry had to break away to marry Boleyn, nor the fact that he founded the Church of England, which still exists today, suggests a clear demarcation between religion and secular authority either before or after the break.

Granted, the authority of religious leaders has atrophied in recent years, but your assertion re a clear demarcation between church and state since the time of Jesus seems to be a bit of an overstatement.

#155 JustMyView

Henry VIII is the closest I can come to such a thing. The Anglican Church is the Christian Taliban I guess.

In 1505, Henry VIII began his 40 year reign

At first, fought Protestantism
even given title, "Defender of the Faith", by the Pope
However, he was in an unhappy marriage with his dead brother's wife,
Catherine of Aragon

1527 - Henry sought a divorce - had to get permission from Pope
6 children - only Mary survived
produced no sons!
plus, he had the hots for her lady-in-waiting, Anne Boleyn
He appealed to Pope Clement VIII for an annulment

claimed it was an unholy marriage
however, Catherine was the aunt of Charles V
Pope had to keep Charles V happy, refused Henry -1534
Henry decided to divorce the Church!
Parliament passed the Act of Supremacy - 1534

creating the Church of England, or the Anglican Church
much like the Catholic Church, but Henry was its head
Took Church's lands
Authorized an English Bible
Set stage for conflict
many in England wanted to go further from the new church: Puritans and Pilgrims
Henry got his divorce from his new church
however, it aided in the execution of his old friend, Sir Thomas More

155 JustMyView
Why did you leave out Parliament? Would that have weakened your point?

The Anglican Church is the Christian Taliban I guess.

I certainly don't think it's the Christina Taliban now. As I said in my previous post, the influence of the church on government in the West has atrophied, but the role of religious authority in society is certainly a strong part of history.

And, some might argue, if things keep moving the way they have lately, it might be again!

But Henry VIII didn't create a legal system based on the bible, order the daily lives of all English people, claim he was the exemplar to be follwed by all people for all time, scrap parliament, or continue to lead the church after he created it.

Other than that, it's right on point. Why, he even chopped off a couple heads.

#158 St. Pancake

Why did you leave out Parliament? Would that have weakened your point?

Am not sure I understand your question. Was there even a Parliament during the reign of Henry VIII?

Note that, as I said above, my point was historical. I'm not arguing that, in the modern era, church and state are one---just that, for significant parts of our history, they were.

#159 JustMyView

the role of religious authority in society is certainly a strong part of history

That would be a better point if I'd denied it. Once again, it's a question of the source of authority and the mixing of roles. There's always been a secular-ecclesiastical split in Christianity. I don't recall Henry VIII getting the moniker "rightly-guided king" from anyone.

159 JustMyView
It never even began to reach the level of the Taliban, buddy. Please stop overreaching. Just be honest in your analysis. Yes, Henry did cecome cankier upon aging, and yes, he did bring back some forms of torture. Yes, he did imprison, and have some killed.
On the other hand, his reformation was never the overall overreaching system that the Taliban established.

161 JustMyView
Dear one
You are addressing a history teacher here. Please do not do what you are doing.
Parliament is way, way older than Henry, my dear one.
Gee, have you ever heard of the Magna Charta of 1215?

#164 St. Pancake

Ooh, ooh! Call on me!

#160 Beagle

But Henry VIII didn't create a legal system based on the bible, order the daily lives of all English people, claim he was the exemplar to be follwed by all people for all time, scrap parliament, or continue to lead the church after he created it.

Here's an excerpt from part of a history of the Tudors that's on an official site about English royalty that talks about the role of the King in the early Church of England.

An Act of Submission of the Clergy and an Act of Succession followed, together with an Act of Supremacy (1534) which recognised that the king was 'the only supreme head of the Church of England called Anglicana Ecclesia'

.

But you are certainly right that Henry didn't create a legal system based on the Bible, etc.

161 JustMyView
Define "significant" to this teacher, please. It probably means something very different from what you are implying.
Theocracies were the vogue in the vast majority of places for thousands of years too. It continues to be a revered form of govt. now in many M.E. countries.
The ancient ones did nothave the communication, nor technology to even begin to accomplish what the Taliban was able to accomplish.
On the other hand, you also ignore the wonderful rarities, such as Cyrus the Great too.

What's really bizarre about the Magna Carta in the context of this discussion is something called the Runnymede Trust promulgating a very questionable definition of "Islamophobia" which requires essay answers. The first question, IIRC, basically demands someone pretend Islam is changing. Ignoring the doctrine of "innovation" being the worst thing a Muslim can do according to the Wahhabis, especially, and Muslims generally.

That's another thing, the Wahhabis are mostly following special rules Mohammed laid down for Arabia. Pretending the Wahhabis are anything but Qur'an-thumping Sunnis is just a pipe dream for people who don't want to face reality.

165 Beagle
Hehe! I thought everyone knew what that was. Oh, hell, I also thought everyone knew about Parliament too.

168 Beagle
You also know, I hope, that it was the Muslims indirectly who helped bring on the Magna Charta.

#164 St. Pancake

Parliament is way, way older than Henry, my dear one.
Gee, have you ever heard of the Magna Charta of 1215?

Yes, I've heard of the Magna Charta, but my history classes were a long, long time ago, so I'm a little fuzzy on what happened when. My training is in an entirely different field. I wish, actually, that I knew more history. But note that my question re whether was a parliament was, in fact, a question.

My only point was much narrower. Beagle stated that there had always been a clear demarcation between religion and secular authority. It was only that claim that I challenged.

I never said, nor did I mean to intimate that the Church of England or any other Christian church was analogous to the Taliban.

Ummm...JustMyView

I certainly don't think it's the Christina Taliban now

Remember this?

#166 JustMyView

'the only supreme head of the Church of England called Anglicana Ecclesia'

And other than using that power to divorce five or six times, what? Henry VIII created an entire religion to get divorced. He didn't want to hear about it from Rome. If you go back to my first post on this subject, I noted that popes had an uneasy relationship with monarchs, reserving veto power on some issues. I believe I called it "hotly contested."

Well, back to the future. It's hard to imagine anything more hotly contested than the pope's excommunication of Henry VIII. Which is a point in and of itself. The popes excommunicated people. They didn't raise armies, conquer, behead, rule over, tax, or otherwise act as a shadow government for the most part.

The closest any pope came to acting like a Muslim caliph would be Innocent III's brutal suppression of the Cathars. Which is the one glaring omission from the article I posted about the Inquistion. The link between the Albigensian Crusade and the Inquisition is a major historical point which should not have been glossed over.

Did Innocent III lead any armies? No. Once again, the act of warfare was always carried out by secular authority. Popes would offer forgiveness for killing, not automatic paradise (Qur'an 9.111: the WTC Sura).

There's always one exception. Peter the Hermit (why anyone would follow a hermit, don't know) led the First Crusade (rabble edition) which slaughtered Jews in the Rhineland and was massacred when it neared its objective.

173 Beagle
Again, Henry wanted a divorce, and gave the church land to his cronies. The actual new church established by him remained fundamentally Roman Catholic. It was not until his children came along that the Anglican Church began to move away from the RC practices. Once again, there were no royal edicts on how women should dress/act etc. To compare him to the Taliban is patently absurd.

173 Beagle
The Pope also had the power of interdiction, a practice by which the population of an area could be denied the sacraments. It was a leash on recalcitrant monarchs.

Um, there were many persecutions in England due to religion. In that religion/politics changed and the new rulers wanted no dissention.

Religious artifacts such as paintings and scultpure were okay, then they weren't, then they were. History.

#174 St. Pancake

To compare him to the Taliban is patently absurd.

Honestly, my dear (returning the affection you expressed above), I never made such a comparison. As I said above, I was making a narrow point about there being a clear demarcation between church and state since the time of Jesus. As that issue continues to bedevil us, that statement seemed unwarranted. That's all.

176 Sarah D.
Yes, Elizabeth temporally stopped the crap, but it came into full throttle again under Charles I, and it would not stop until in reality, the 19th century, imho. One culd quibble with this, using the Irish.

Could quibble, lol

Puritans, Presbytarian, Anglicans, Catholics etc. "Sigh"

#170 St. Pancake

The timing is right after Richard Coeur-de-Lion tried to come home because John (of Robin Hood fame?) was threatening his rule. I guess Richard dying in a shipwreck in some way made the Magna Carta necessary.

177 JustMyView

point about there being a clear demarcation between church and state since the time of Jesus.

Actually since ancient times, to be precise.

180 Beagle
The barons were furious/seething about the increasing taxes due to fighting the Muslims during the so-called Crusades. This is where the connection to "no taxatin without representation" comes in.

#181 St. Pancake

Actually since ancient times, to be precise.

Huh? How does that square w/ your earlier point re there having been theocracies for thousands of years? Just asking, really.

PIMF
goodness!

taxation

183 JustMyView
Theocracies have been around for thousands of years. Ever hear of the Pharoahs?
Ever hear of the Chinese "Son of Heaven"
Ever hear of the Japanese emperor's power?
I could go on and on, but will not bore you.

Popes denying the sacraments would definitely fall into ordinary clerical power. As a medieval guy I'd never say there wasn't friction between the church and kings. The point was, and remains, the clear distinction between kings, popes, and even breakaway kings who create a religion to get divorced.

Versus, recall, Mohammed being a military leader of many campaigns, king, author of scripture, and master of daily life down to feces, all wrapped into one. The Sunnah means Muslims should seek to emulate Mohammed.

I'm beginning to think we should call them on it and demand a caliph. That power struggle should give us a decades-long breather.

176 Sarah D.
Much more destruction of Catholic art took place in Germany, and other parts of the Continent. Even Luther became riled about the senseless destruction of churches.

Beagle
Agreed. We want the Caliph again, lol! This would put it all in plain view for all. The icing on the 7th century veneer would come off, hopefully.

#185 St. Pancake

Theocracies have been around for thousands of years. Ever hear of the Pharoahs?
Ever hear of the Chinese "Son of Heaven"
Ever hear of the Japanese emperor's power?
I could go on and on, but will not bore you.

Yes, Yes. I think we misunderstood each other. You are saying here that there are lots of situations--some ancient, some modern--in which there were theocracies, which is consistent w/ my original point.

I thought your reference to ancient times indicated that you were saying that there had been a clear demarcation between church and state since then. That's why I asked how the comment re ancient times squared w/ the earlier statement re the existence of theocracies.

I think we are in agreement here.

#176 Sarah D.

Um, there were many persecutions in England due to religion.

Again, my point is not to pretend the history of Europe is not filled with fights over Christianity. The point is a split between secular and ecclesiastical authority. In my first post I mentioned the tension between popes and monarchs. But both sides understood that there were popes and monarchs. Their powers differed, and came from different sources. Innocent III is probably the most secular, bloody, and power-hungry pope in history. Figures he was against the Magna Carta, which he denounced.

In England, btw, Cromwell did destroy many churches. Henry was never a fanatic like "Crommy the Terrible".

189 JustMyView
Ok, glad you did not misunderstand me. Hate that!

Theocracies were the typical govt. for the ancient polytheistic states. Nature-based systems demanded that. And ou thought environmentalism could never be dangerous! Hah!

PIMF you
Haha! Once you get me preaching about history, the typing goes straight to Mother Gaia!

#192 St. Pancake

I bow to your expertise and yours too, Beagle. Now I'm off to bed, where I should have gone some time ago.

Anyway, it was in the German states that the religious violence and strangeness reached its crescendo. My all-time fave has to be Jan of Leiden though. The source does not tell you, but he also brought back nudity as it was what God had so desired.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Leiden

194 JustMyView
Good evening, sir.

Durn, did the thread die?
Durn, Beagle, you got me started...

St. P
I hope you are reading the 1632 series . I scream suggestions, some anticipated. But many not. Kind of fun tho.

My M-i-L is coming in about seven hours and I'm suddenly on a second wind. I hate that. I've been yawning all day.

Bottle, burp, diaper, he naps on my chest. Bottle, burp, diaper, another nap. Now I have energy.

Oh well, maybe I can hand him over to my wife and her mom while I "watch TV" in the bedroom.

198 pat
Oh oh, another one I have never heard of again. "Sigh"
What is the 1632 series?

"becoming meek"

199 Beagle
Well, have fun with that. The diaper thing is fun, huh?
Hehe.
Hope the Mother IL has a great time with the grandbaby. It should be priceless!

#200 St. Pancake

Eric Flynt. I avoided it for years. It is an alternate history SF. Then, being a weapons type, I decided to give a try. Loved it. But, of course, would have done most differently. It is terrific fun for a historian or techi. My old Prof at Harvey Mudd on Tech History would have loved it.

202 pat
Wow, you took a tech history? Cool! Never had a chance to take something like that.

#210 St. Pancake

I don't mind taking care of him at all. He's actually quite interactive and fun to mess around with. Holding bottles is the worst part. If I don't get in the right position it hurts my back.

It's the penalty box I'm going to be in tomorrow for not sleeping now. Oh well, maybe Newt's hypothetical Gettysburg will help me drift off. I love reading, but after enough pages it usually allows me to sleep.

I'm at Lee's big (never happened) flanking maneuver around the Battle of Gettysburg on the second day.

I have a feeling (a very strong feeling) the South winning the war won't be a good thing in the long run. But that's two books away. I'm not sure the third in the trilogy has been published. I'll worry about that in a book and a half.

Off to hypothetical Pennsylvania.

{LGF)

Yeah. My thesis was on firearms, but there was a lot of other good ones. Stirrups? A good one. Yokes? Tasty. Mining? Tough stuff.

Whoa!

You're discussing alternate history.

/Cue Twilight Zone music.
/Really, that's weird.

OK, now really off to get horizontal.

204 Beagle
Lol, I should be doing that, and I will after I finish cleaning the darned home.

The actual weapon that was used to break (the windows) is unknown,” said secretary Ameer Ali of the International Muslims Organization of Toronto, which houses the mosque. “We believe it has to be a heavy instrument, possibly a sledgehammer or a pick ax, or it could even be a crowbar.”

Or The Club, maybe even an aluminum baseball bat

As far as the mosques go, there's no need or sense in vandalizing them. Just turn a pig loose some night. :-)




/Zionist mishegas gene

Me too. Nite All.

205 pat
I put my money on stirrups.

Nite, Pat!

We will continue with stirrups another time.

SP
12 hunreds. Changed calvary. Nite.

Ok, now the pravailing hypothesis is self-vandalism of the canadian mosque.

But if it were sure that the vandals has been pissed-off canadians, there would be a deafening chorus of cheers an a long line to buy them drinks.

Whatever.

I don't believe for a second that someone not muslim did it to the mosque. I think it was self inflicted to allow some sympathy for the jihadists.

So, these are vandals instead of 'youths'?.

By the way, Bunga-Bunga is still quiet hiding under his stone?.

No... there will be NO CONFUSION when the backlash against [bigoted word]s begins...

#74 Maine's Michael

Which is exactly the reason why france's Jewry should stay on their westbound flights until Toronto. Do NOT disembark to create their new lives in Montreal.

The 2001 Canada Census revealed, for the first time ever, more mohammedans than Jews in Montreal.

#191 St. Pancake

In England, btw, Cromwell did destroy many churches.

Cromwell did more than destroy churches.

#46 BubbaMan

"Wake up people, Sauron is on the march and there aren't many of us left in M.E. (no not the Middle East) who recognize this and are willing to fight."

There are a lot of us who recognize the evil of islam and are willing to fight. After all, that's what it's coming down to, isn't it? I have seen anything good or positive about islam. All the so-called islamic "inventions" and "incidents of progress" were not initiated by moslems at all: indeed, they ripped them off from people moslems had conquered, and then took credit for them. And never in history has there been such a militant, violent, bloodthirsty, bigoted and intolerant movement as islam. islam is as islam does.

Other's may have made this observation already, but at the risk of repetition, does it occur to anybody else that the imam or one of his lackies may have vandalized the mosque themselves? This is a common ploy used by Muslims to change the topic from Islamic terrorism to Islamophobia and paint themselves as the victims.

We believe it has to be a heavy instrument, possibly a sledgehammer or a pick ax, or it could even be a crowbar

Soon they'll claim it was a Shofar.

"We believe it has to be a heavy instrument, possibly a sledgehammer or a pick ax, or it could even be a crowbar.” Significance?

Says Ameer Ali, "and we expect this backlash to get much more violent, as more of my Muslim brothers(pbut),keep getting caught before they can perform their sacred duties."

Ali predicts the backlash to next week's atrocity may be the worst yet.

The US MSM is run mostly by large conservative corporations. At the top they are well connected to the political establishment. Since our economy is so dependent on Middle East oil, doesn't it seem prudent to not provoke 1.5 -billion- people who can riot over a cartoon? Particularly when they are camped out over that oil? Rather than some weird conspiracy, isn't it more likely that high-level political-to-corporate requests have been made to simply not provoke?

BTW, I notice that FOXNews.com is still latest news-headlining an AP story on the Canadians.

Seems to me that the US needs to move fast to get a border fence set up with CANARABIA as
a higher priority vis-avis the Mexico fence.

By the way, anyone who is "shocked" at the suggestion that Muslims could vandalize their own mosques might want to consider the recent incident where the Palistinians sent kids towards the Gaza border with toy guns in the hope that the IDF would shoot them (thus gaining a propaganda points with the MSM).

Not saying they did or didn't vandalize their own mosque- just saying that it wouldn't be out of character if they did.

JustmyleftwingView,

Granted, the authority of religious leaders has atrophied in recent years...

200-300 years is recent?

possibly a sledgehammer or a pick ax, or it could even be a crowbar

One could even say it was a broad strata of heavy instruments.

OT

Palestinian Civil War Wait

According to the AP, either Hamas "gunmen" or Hamas "militants" stormed a TV studio and shot up the place(!)

MSM Faces Euphemism Shortage.

A breaking article in today's WaPo provides peverse insight into the Canadian 17 terrorists.

First revelation: A member of parliment had visited the mosque where these terrorists preached about a year earlier. This begs the question that if this MP knew about the activities at this mosque and failed to report them, shouldn't he be tried on conspiracy charges?

Wajid Khan, a Muslim member of Parliament who stopped at the mosque last year on his regular rounds of his district just west of Toronto.

"I was concerned that he had found a bunch of young kids and he was able to influence them," Khan said in an interview Sunday. "I took issue with him. I think we have to be extremely vigilant in the Muslim community. We have to watch out for people who are trying to teach disaffected youths that it's the Muslims against the rest, a war of civilizations. Anyone talking through his hat should be kicked out and reported."

Tragically, the rest of the article buys into the MSM lunacy and pursues the real victims - the [bigoted word]s:

"A backlash is a given," said Fatima Rakie, 24, a Canadian-born woman of Lebanese descent who wears traditional black robes and a Muslim hijab , or head scarf. "People are aggravated with us already. They will think all Muslims are extremists. But all religions have their extremists."

"all religions have their extremeists?" excuse me, but Christians, Joos, Hindus, Buddhists... aren't waging a world-wide Jihad to murder "infidels" and establish a global Islamic hegemony.

But it gets even better:

Most Muslims here are not overtly religious, and do not take their politics from the mosque, even if they attend, argues Tareq Fatah, who hosts a weekly television show on the Muslim community and helped form the Muslim Canadian Congress.

"These are Canadian-born kids," he said of those arrested. "They don't know what an empty stomach is. Not one of them would be able to survive two days in Somalia. They don't even know what unemployment is."

Yet there is discrimination in Canada, he argues, that helps propel some youths into the arms of what he called "religious fanatics who are predators and scavengers." They use the American-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the Canadian military's growing role in Afghanistan, to convince youths that Muslims are victims, he said.

Hmmm... isn't there something wrong if a religious institution espouses hateful politics? Apparently not. It seems to me that the [bigoted word]s need to reform what is being spewed in their places of worship.

But this lack of insight is trumped by the victimology card. The alleged "discrimination" argument is completely fallacious and the rationale of using the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as justification for murder and mayhem is a hoax. We all know that the real issue is subscribing to a religious dogma which preaches hatred and intolerance.

Plenty of Joos (myself included) are upset with the way the U.S. handles the Israeli/Paleonazi issue. Yet, how many of us plot to destroy American institutions? I have plenty of Christian friends who are irate over the lack of the administration's sympathies for the Copts in Egypt or Christians in Paleonazi terrortories. Yet, none of them would ever contemplate waging a war of terror against our own country.

You see, the [bigoted word]s are using the propaganda canard again, just like the Nazis. Who can forget how Hitler brilliantly used propaganda to capture Sudentenland? In the late 1930's his regime claimed that the German minority was being harassed and mistreated by the hands of the Czechs. Then Hitler launched military raids into the area further bolstering his claims. Poor Neville and company, shaking in their shoes like the Europeons and MSM today, acquiesced and gave the Nazis the region. One could not satisfy the urges of this insatiable beast...

I only hope that Mr Harper's government is following Dubya's lead and listening in on telephone conversations in a similar manner to the NSA's program. Hopefully this will be the wake up call my fellow citizens need to finally understand that we are at war whether we like it or not. Seems the peaceful kingdom may not be too peaceful anymore.

#230-Bubbaman: He could be tried as an Accessory Before the Fact.

And the Sudetenland, with its half-circle of mountainous fortifications, was too good a defense for Hitler to break, so he lied and said, "NO further land demands... honest!"

That bit of land was the KEY to Czechoslovakia, and altho their defense was valiant, Hitler held the key, and the Czechs went down in 12 days! Czechoslovakia was then the KEY to Poland, which was then suddenly facing Nazi invasion on an 800 mile front, instead of a defendable, narrow front...

Yep, the parallels between Herr Schickelgroober and his modern-day admirers and emulators, the IslamoFascists, is STARTLING!

When they start putting Muslims in internment camps and confiscating their property, then maybe, just maybe, I might start to be concerned for their civil and human rights.

Problem is, there already seems to be a lot more culpability for terrorist activities among the Muslim population than I am aware of fifth-columnist activities ever being discovered among the Canadian Japanese, Ukrainian, German or Italian populations.

Crowbar, sledgehamer, brickbat: all weapons of glass destruction. No wonder the MSM is so interested.

(sorry)