They put their own in harm's way and blame the jews. And naturally our media eats it up...but they would eat turds from a bowl if served up my the hezbos.

Repost from the DDT:

From the article:

The photographs, from the Christian area of Wadi Chahrour in the east of Beirut, were taken by a visiting journalist and smuggled out by a friend.

How quaint. The muslim scum come into a Christian area to launch their rockets, and then it gets hit by Israeli jets in retaliation a few minutes later.

Note that I find no fault with the IAF doing what needs to be done. The fault and responsibility belong to Hezbollah (and their willing collaborators and supporters) alone.

charles you are needed to be a guest on the comie nazi network to defend israel , please use your vast intellectual resources to argue with the nutbarsin the MSM

BBC News website shilling shamefully for the islamic murders right now

I wish you had used the closeup photo of the people on that truck Charles. At least two of those people are clearly "children" - just 12 or 13 years old by my estimate.

I have it if you want it.

You tell people to get out, that it is a terrorist-infested area that WILL BE ATTACKED.

A week later you blow up a building where Hisballah has been launching advanced rockets into Israel, and the result is a bunch of dead kids.

And that means what? For me, it means that the average Islamist is so stupid or amoral that they don't care if their children die, they are glad that their children are dead, because it gives them a rare propaganda momemt.

I'm in favor of carpet bombing the entire lower 20 kilometers of Lebanon after giving ample warning to evacuate.

I must be evil. I like the killing of buildings. I have no answer for fools who remain in a war combat zone after being warned to leave.

Some other facts that may not be publicized by the MSM. The rocket hit the building at one o'clock in the morning. The ambulances didn't arrive until eight o'clock - 7 hours later, and curiously, they were accompanied by the media (with plenty of daylight to photograph). There also weren't enough ambulances, so it took much longer than it should have to get the wounded out.I heard this information on IDF radio about an hour ago - in another half an hour there will be an official press conference.

Never fear - this will NOT stop Voldolmert from destroying more Jewish communities.

Thank you for pointing it out, Charles.

Israel has apologized for the deaths, but made it clear where the true responsibility lies: Olmert, Halutz and Peretz apologize for Qana deaths.

Oh, BTW, rayra...

A year and a half in Gdud 97 - Netzach Yehuda - Nachal Haredi (Battalion 97 - Infantry) and Sadnah, at Mahane Yehuda in the Mechanics part of the Tank base there, after a physical injury lowered my profile from combat-able.

So if ya wanna try another tack, I DID serve, and have not received word back yet but the IDF currently, who has no interest in actually winning this war.

#6 really grumpy

There is always the possibility that the people were put there intentionally or forced to stay there. That seems like a fairly large number of kids to me... I suspect they were intentially put there by the hezbos knowing that Israel intended to target the area (they certainly gave ample warning).

Facts be damned. It presents the perfect propaganda picture as the MSM, the EU, the UN, and their ilk swallow it hook, line, and sinker. Cue the hand-wringing of the terror enablers and transnational actors on the world stage.

#7 westbankmama

in another half an hour there will be an official press conference.

Rumor is that the IAF will show the video of the missile hit in Kana of that incident.

Please Lord God (the God of Israel, not the Satanic god of islam) broaden this war.

May Syria and Iran join in this war against your chosen people.

May the USA join this just war against the Satanic Army of Islam.

May we vanquish our enemies and then our enemies will say:

Their GOD IS GOD. Our God was Satan and we followed is FALSE PROPHET.

I wait for you everyday...

To clarify my #8

Halutz: 'We Did Not Know Civilians Were in Kana'

"Had we known there were that many civilians inside, especially women and children, we certainly would not have attacked it," a senior air force commander told Reuters News Agency.

I'm almost sure he continued...
"We would have sent in ground troops, with strict orders not to fire until having taken at least 3 bullets, and even then, to aim for the legs..."

6 really grumpy big dog johnson

We think alike. The only evil is those who put these children, if they were children, as opposed to "youths" with guns, in the way of rockets, and those who masquerade as men and hide behind women and children while killing as many Israelis as they can.

If Israelis refused to evacuate to shelters we'd be seeing more photo op dead kids in Haifa too. Sick sick enemy we're fighting.

Meanwhile Belgian news hits a new low in anti-semitic remarks. (link includes translation and explanation).

This came before the attack on Kafr Qana.

Belga's Dutch editorial office can be reached by this email: redactie@belga.be

The hezbo slimeballs. They deserve fate much worse than death.

Yesterday on Fox, they were showing shelters in Lebanon, run by Hizbollah and they were mostly occupied by women and children. Where were the men? Oh, they're off fighting against Israel. No one seems to make a comment about that. Is the Hizbollah guards with every reporter in Lebanon?

Also on Fox, Eric Shawn reported this morning, that the PM of Lebanon thanked Hizbollah. Someone please send a memo to Bush so he can stop talking about the "democratic Lebanon." There is no such animal.

Christheprofessor

Valid comments. And something that I've continually observed about this conflict is that we almost never see anyone with visible mortal injuries in the endless news stories about the "unnecessary deaths" coming from south Lebanon.

Why is it that the Israelis are slaughtering so many innocents, with almost zero evidence of that charge?

Something to think about on a somber Sunday morning. We haven't had any problem seeing Americans getting their throats slit in the past, why such are worrisome thing if we see the injured and dead from Lebanon?

Color me highly skeptical of the extent of the alleged "excessively aggressive" attacks of the Israelis. I think most of what we are seeing is an overt and outright lie.

Well, this was coming anyway.
IDF, please continue.

12 SevoGuy
Amen to your post, daddy-o.
Me too.

[Link: www.mechon-mamre.org...]

ISrael, in an attempt to minimize civilian casualties is being roasted by the MSM. Israel really sucks in the PR department/ opinion war.
Here's a copy and paste from a comment I made on the Dead Thread:

WTF! NOW Lebanon doesn't want the US secretary of State to visti? Now Chirac is threatening sanctions this less than 12 hours after the French and Lebanese military agreed to do what the Lebanese Military was supposed to do back in 2000 - keep Hezbollah from commiting terrror raids on Israel.
I would tell President Bush to a) recall our ambassador to Lebanon for "consultations" b) recall our ambassador from Syria without explanation c) have Bolton forcefully remind the UN who started this little war, Hezbollah's tactics in using civilians d) the civilian casualties DELIBERATEY caused by Hezbollah in Israel e)Israel has been trying hard to not cause casulaties amongs innocent Lebanese Civilians, but Hezbollah's been using them as shields and tough shit thats on Hezbollah, not Israel and f) we are sending Don Rumsfeld to Israel to consult with the Israeli government and the IDF.
In other words, let the world know who's at fault here and at least make it look like the US is ready to jump in on Israel's side RIGHT NOW.

Israeli ambassador Ayalon agrees, "It was a war crime";

"It was a war crime committed by the Hezbollah," Ayalon said, repeating the claim that the militant group based in Lebanon routinely hides their arms in civilian populations.

This obvious truth will also fall on MSM deaf ears.

Manker - I hope they do show video clips of that. My feeling is that they kept these people hostage - literally. The IDF also said that they had not seen civilian movement in the area for the entire three days that they bombed. How is it possible that noone left the building for three days - if they weren't forced to stay?

#17 moonsbreath

True story. The "democratic" Lebanon has Hezbo MP's and are letting these scumbags use their territory to attack Israel. But seeing the media coverage, you would think that it is the most natural thing in the world.

Steady people...let's not lose our nerve. The MSM propaganda gales shall surely blow for the next 48 hours.

On ABC this morning (This Week) in a report about the Qana deaths, an old man was crying, wailing and moaning for the ABC video camera positioned to his right. As the camera panned away, the old man’s eyes darted over to the camera, and when he thought he was out of the frame, the crying, wailing, and moaning stopped faster than you could shut off a light switch.

Assad: Qana attack is 'terrorism'

Israel's attack on a building in the Lebanese village of Qana that killed at least 54 civilians constitutess"state terrorism", Syrian President Bashar Assad said on Sunday.

"The massacre committed by Israel in Qana this morning shows the barbarity of this aggressive entity. It constitutes state terrorism committed in front of the eyes and ears of the world," Assad said in remarks carried by state news agency SANA.

Behold as moonbats take up this stance from one of their chinless posterboys.

Finally even the israeli left, even the four mothers get it:

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

What will happen if one day the IDF comes down with a virus? Nothing serious, the flu. But even with the flu and a temperature of 40 degrees Celsius and no strength, you can't do anything. So what will happen if the IDF gets the flu? If all our soldiers have a temperature of 40 degrees.

"Today I know what will happen: there will be a slaughter here. We will not be in the sea, because we will simply be slaughtered. Not one person from the nation of Israel will remain. If the IDF comes down with a virus, no one will defend us, including our friends in the United States. So I feel that despite the terrible pain, this war is just and necessary to protect our lives. And I think that even when we remove hundreds of thousands of people from their homes in Lebanon, that is not only right, it is also moral. Because I do not want them to be killed in our shelling. But we have to shell. And we have to fight. Because this time, it's not over the security zone [in southern Lebanon], this time it is over our lives.

Why in the world did Olmert, et alia, apologize? It's not Irael's fault that those civilians were there!

The media is gonna spin it to the full. You won't be seeing the Israelis on TV too much. Keep your cool guys.

#18 rgbdj --

I wonder about that also -- Fox this morning reported "dozens" of children killed, but the video was of exactly two adult men with obviously minor injuries carried out on stretchers, plus apparently a body being dug out of the rubble. But EVERYbody, including the "rescue workers", were carrying video cameras, so if there are maimed children Al-Jiz will have video shortly.

I think "Hellabazoo" as Charles Rangle calls them are in dire straights and want the war to end before they are damaged to severely. They make sure plenty of kids are on hand to be killed in retaliatory strikes from Israel knowing full well that the world drive-by media will blame Israel and urge a cease-fire.

Add this Hezbollah Rocket Counter to your personal weblogs:

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Dave

I see on CNN that the Security Council will begin meeting shortly.

I really am tired of the UN, and think it is time we boot their butts back to turdistan.

Civilians killed in the global jihad? How not unusual. They target civilians and use groups of civilians as foxholes. Trying to stir up indignation over one event when the entire world is a civilian shooting gallery seems a bit strange.

#18 really grumpy

So true.

I think that it is a symptom of both leftists in general about anything anti-Western Civilization and the MSM in particular with regard to muslim claims of persecution at the hands of Israel and/or the US that things are taken as fact with little to no evidence in support. The charge or claim is enough for them to run with it.

It really is sickening.

Morning all, and I see the usual suspects up to no good...

Those photos are quite illuminating. When you look at their attire, you notice a couple of things. One isn't their sartorial splendor. It's that they look like anyone else in Lebanon. They blend in perfectly with anyone else walking around in that neighborhood, so if Israelis hit this particular heavy weapons position, the news report will claim that there were only seven civilians hit - on the basis of the appearance of the clothes. The facts are substantially different. It would show that seven Hizbullah terrorists were eliminated in a raid that successfully took out a heavy weapons position.

My daily update is here.

#23 westbankmama

How is it possible that noone left the building for three days - if they weren't forced to stay?

Maybe they packed them in there so tightly no one could physically move.

Anyways from what I hear at the moment, it wasn't actually the Air-to-Surface missile that knocked down the building. It was a set of missiles and other assorted explosives next to the building that the A-to-S missile hit that did secondary explosions and in the process knocked down the building.

But I know what the world is going to say if they see that on the video. It's still Israel's fault, because they shouldn't be destroying explosives next to any buildings.

#26 - stopped faster than a light switch

Bet ABC made no comment about that either. Too bad you didn't Tivo it. That would make a nice little YouTube.

#26 RBMN

On ABC this morning (This Week) in a report about the Qana deaths, an old man was crying, wailing and moaning for the ABC video camera positioned to his right. As the camera panned away, the old man’s eyes darted over to the camera, and when he thought he was out of the frame, the crying, wailing, and moaning stopped faster than you could shut off a light switch.

They learned that from Bill Clinton's classic performance for the camera at Ron Brown's funeral...

I am sorry that Hezbollah chooses to place so little value on the lives of the Lebanese people.

Nevertheless, IDF: Keep at it.

I have been predicting something like this from Day 1 - a major tragedy that would be blamed on Israel.

Mark my words: if this one doesn't "fly" we will shortly see another and this time it will be much, much worse than this.

And, far-be-it for a terrorist organization, who straps bombs to themselves, to load a building up with civilians and their children, full-well knowing the eventual outcome, since Israel had been attacking Qana and sent leaflets to leave,,, the outcome of dead CIVILIANS and their CHILDREN soley for propaganda purposes. This scenario IS not far-fetched, and IS easily understood as Hezbollah modus operandi.

We're continuing to lose the media war being waged upon us by the Islamofascists. Their mastery supplants the Nazis. Get with it - dispel the lies.

Fuck the fwench

Fuck the UN

Fuck the MSM

100% of the blame belongs to Hizbullshit.

BBC (and I assume probably ever other media) is going hyper about the 'Qana Massacre'. Not one mention of why these people hadn't left or if Hezbugger was hindering them leaving. No mention of Hizbugger in the place itself. One poor Israeli commentator was trying to explain to BBC dingbat that hundreds of missiles have been launched from Qana but instead got attacked on 'why didn't you know there were children there', etc.
Oh, and the msm REALLY shouldn't use the phrase 'youths'. They're either children or adults.
I find the Lebanese government response disturbing as well. Practically saying 'we won't talk until the Israelis do an immediate ceasefire'. Look guys, you're either with or against Hizbullah in your country. If you don't condemn their presence, then prepared to be taken out by the IDF.
Some of you might have seen this, as it's been posted on Pyjamas Media but I have to say that this delightfully amateur Israeli music video 'Yalla, ya Nasrallah' is very catchy. I was already humming along to the chorus

#44 Bubbaman

The really sad part is the Nazis controlled the media within their own borders. While there may have been some sympathy outside Nazi Germany in the foreign media, I imagine it was the exception rather than the rule. In these times, most of the MSM happily shill for a religion-based fascism, as if that fascism couldn't take over fast enough.

#44: Bubbaman

The Mideast PR war: News on a platter

#21 realwest

If you run for president, I'll vote for you.

chuck asay

#18

I think most of what we are seeing is an overt and outright lie.

I read in The Jerusalem Post a few years back that lying is an integral part of the arab character. It wasn't a Jew slamming arabs, he was quoting an arab writer. I would love to find this quote so that one could dismiss just about everything they claim, without solid evidence to the contrary.
#9

There is always the possibility that the people were put there intentionally or forced to stay there.

I was thinking the same thing. Christians would be preferable to muslims as fodder for their propoganda, also.

From the pictures, it looks like terror is a family affair.

I personally don't care if civilians who support Hiz'b'allah get killed in airstrikes, but unfortunately the media doesn't present these deaths in context.

We cannot begin to win this struggle until we get control of the media. I don't mean the government should run the media. But we need responsible people running the major news agencies.

The onslaught of negative stories today should not be the least bit astounding:

This is a war of perceptions being faught on the media stage. I'd argue that without the media supplying that stage, assymetrical warfare, as practiced by the RoP would not be worth the bother, or be far less effective.

This latest onslaught is no doubt intended, among other things, to blow the Iranian rejection story and even the Seattle shooting story right out of the news cycle, as it certainly will. As far as the truth, it doesn't stand a chance outside of the blogs.

If the AP were to report "Dozens of Human Shields Killed In Israeli Airstrikes" the wrong people might be pissed off for the wrong reasons and the supporters of terror would not be pleased.

6 dimensions of warfare and the only one in which the Islamists are not getting crushed. The IDF needs to approach the media front with the same intensity as the southern lebabon front.

This is getting too frustrating for words. The MSM is criminally negligent for not giving the full picture of the tactics Israel is up against. These tactics need to be exposed, and the question needs to be posed to Israel's critics, "what should Israel do to defend itself against these tactics?"

The irony is, those who wish to tie Israel's hands in the name of humanitarianism will end up being responsible for many more deaths. If Israel is forced into a humiliating defeat, the Hezbos will be encouraged and will launch a much more disastrous attack on Tel Aviv down the road. THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THEY WOULD DO THIS. And this will force Israel into a life-or-death situation. The Muslims in neighboring countries will suffer the most when that happens, making Qana irrelevant in comparison.

For those of you that want to download/save this IDF video and have Windows Media Player:

IDF video. It starts WMP, then just save as :)

So will someone tell me please, who are these “innocents” in Qana? They couldn’t possibly be the folks who the talking heads tell me that count in the support from the people of Lebanon that Hezbollah receives, could they?

I’m not blind (yet) so I have seen the TV news coverage on many occasions of Hezbollah flags flying in parades through Lebanon. I can see the goose-stepping “militants” being cheered on by crowds on the sidewalks. I listened to a young girl from Lebanon on TV last week. She raved about her support for Hezbollah and how she would fight for them to wipe out the Israelis. Nice talk from a twelve-year old. I hate to think she may have been among the causalities in Qana, but her mother was also interviewed, and maybe the mother just threw the little kid in front of the bus. Very unfortunate for the “innocent”.

Now today we see all the world leaders jumping up and down “calling” for a cease-fire. How come they’re not calling Nasrallah? Maybe they don’t have his phone number. I think they need to reach out and touch him.

Did anyone catch Ann Curry's interview in Israel this morning? She was trying to blame Israel for the whole mess, and the Israeli spokesperson summed it up perfectly - and I'm paraphrasing here (and hope someone posts that video) - what would you have us do? Roll over and die? It shut Curry up pretty quick and the interview ended there...

#51 Mjazzguitar

I read in The Jerusalem Post a few years back that lying is an integral part of the arab character. It wasn't a Jew slamming arabs, he was quoting an arab writer. I would love to find this quote so that one could dismiss just about everything they claim, without solid evidence to the contrary.

Well, I can't give you a link, but I can refer you to the best book on Arab character you will ever find.

The Closed Circle: An Interpretation of the Arabs.

It's by David Pryce-Jones, a Brit historian.

He's got a new one coming out that I'm pre-ordering.

Betrayal: France, the Jews, and the Arabs

David Pryce-Jones believes that France has done more damage to the Middle East than any other country. France encouraged the mass immigration of Arabs and that huge and growing minority in the country now believes that it has rights and claims which have not been met. This minority also believes that Israel should not exist. Middle East geo-politics are spreading from French soil to an increasingly Islamized Europe.

Should be interesting coming his POV w/Bat Ye'or's.

Fox News just showed video of rockets being launched by Hezbollah from the building believed to be involved here.

/Doncha just hate it when they confuse things with facts?

Can someone explain the second photo in the Herald Sun set (not shown on the LGF page)?

The photo shows a guy posing with a gun, looking off in the distance towards flaming rubble, and the caption reads "On guard: A militant watches over a no-go zone."

In this context, what is a "no-go zone"? Is the guy preventing people from entering a dangerous, bombed area or is he preventing people from fleeing a dangerous, bombed area? The article that goes with the photo does not explain.

That sure looks like a ZU-23 23MM Antiaircraft Gun (emphasis mine).

The ZU-23 mounts twin 23-mm cannons on a towed two-wheel carriage. The cannons are positioned side-by-side between large ring-type trunnions. In appearance, the ZU-23 can be confused with the 14.5-mm ZPU-2; however, the shape and placement of the ZU-23 ammunition boxes (at right angles to the gun carriage) and prominent muzzle flash suppressors are distinguishing features. ...

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

Not to minimize the tragic deaths of innocents, but why is it such a big deal that 50 Lebanese civilians are lost one day? This happens to innocent Israelis every day, day in and day out, for at least the past 10 years!

What? Its okay to kill innocent Israelis, but not human shields for terrorists?

Its obvious the building was being used as cover for Hezbollah missle attacks on Israel. Obvious.

To Israel: Don't stop defending yourself.

To Lebanon: You are allowing yourselves to be ruled by Hezbollah, just like Afghanistan allowed themselves to be ruled by Al Queda.

The MSM is taking their headlines from Hizballah.

From the Australian:

PEACE talks were derailed yesterday when Israeli warplanes carried out the most deadly strike of the war, killing at least 54 refugees, including 37 children, sheltering in the basement of a building in southern Lebanon.

Further down in the same article:

The collapse of the four-storey building -- believed to be sheltering 63 people, mainly children and the elderly -- after a huge missile landed beside it quickly inflamed the war, with Hezbollah vowing to strike back at towns in central Israel.

So, they don't know - they are merely repeating what they are told by a terrorist propaganda machine.

What kind of weapon is that? Looks more like an anti-aircraft gun than a rocket launcher.

I'm sorry, but I have very little sympathy for the civilian casualties in Lebanon.

Arabs and muslims have been marching and chanting 'death to Israel' and 'death to America' for decades now. They have always supported the terror groups in their midst.

Israel, America and the west in general cannot afford to continue to live under this threat. I said it before, but unfortunately this can only end the way it ended in Germany and Japan in 1945.

And because that is so hard to swallow for "world opinion", there will be a painfully slow years long build-up to that point with massive loss of civilian live on both sides along the way.

Among Qana victims: Not one single man of fighting age.

The push of the UN and of the MSM is creating a new situation.

Will the Government of Israel fold ?

This could change the whole situation, giving an unexpected victory to the thugs.

If Israel will not fold I expect a HUGE expansion of the war and the next few weeks could be very dramatic.

I want to know how they managed to get these dead children out of the building and all lined up in body bags in time for the media to show up. I would also like to know why they are claiming there were no men of fighting age in the building when I saw two men on stretchers who looked no older than 40!

They claim these people were all huddled together in the basement of that building. Far too many children in proportion to adults if you ask me.

Clearly another contrived Jenin Massacre.

#59 grayp- thanks - mj

Who is to say how many of the "children" were hizballah soldiers? The MSM loves to characterize anyone under 18 as children. The young militants have been trained since they were ten or eleven. At 14 or 15 many are married men, and almost all are involved in a the combat mission. If Israel saw launch teams entering the building, it would certainly have included those individuals the MSM now lists as children.

The Israeli government should never apologize when civilians are killed in a successful military targeting. Regardless, of how many times they point the finger of blame at hizballah, the MSM will broadcast the apology over and over, as an admission of guilt, incompetence, war crimes, immorality, etc., when in fact none of these characterizations should apply to this mission.

I knew this morning when I heard this report that Hell'sbullies had rounded up families with small children and created a target for the Israelis to decimate.
You know the muslims fired the rockets from the house and then hauled ass away from there. Now the whole world will call for a cease fire so hizballah can fight another day.

Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

DUmmies claim Israel planned to kill civilians.

funnymanpants (476 posts) Sun Jul-30-06 12:56 PM

No accident: Israel had planned to kill civilians
Israel had already warned it would do just this a few days ago:

Uses BBC to back this claim

#68 Myself

Second episode:

I see on the JPost that Olmert says the offensive against hizb'allah will go on for another two weeks.

And I see in the Yahoo news that the chief of the iranian Revolutionary Guard says they are getting ready to participate in the war.

It sounds like my "IF" had some meaning...

If Israel is willing to kill all human shields, they can annihilate Hizbollah in 3 weeks MAX. That's if they don't wimp out in 24 hours.

What this will also do if force those on the left to really decide if they support Israel(Pelosi, Schumer, etc...) This is GREAT news people!

#68 Poitiers

You are absolutely right. I hear rumors IDF is quickly advancing in South Lebanon right now.
What we see here - some new amazing thing: MSM made HUGE mistake playing their usual blame game, Israel is cornered and the only option for us now is to GO FULL FORCE.

These poor, dumb, fucking Lebanese are this war's version of the Spaniards that died before WW2 officially started. Some leftists might wail now but after the big shooting starts no one will give a fuck.

If I were an official with the Israeli government and someone asked me about these "civilians" I'd shrug my shoulders and say "Oh, well."

From an editor of a daily news in Lebanon, the children killed were handicapped. The local media can't get much lower. But the world will eat this up. How doe's Israel counter this bias BS? People are inflamed by these lies. and the UN will believe the lies.

LOL! DUmmie calls Hizballah rockets "Anti-aircraft guns PROTECTING CITIES"

Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Sun Jul-30-06 01:01 PM
Response to Original message
24. BULLSHIT!
Anti-aircraft guns PROTECTING CITIES are not damning in the slightest - especially when Israeli AIRCRAFT are BOMBING those cities!

DUmmies

/not shocked

Koffin' Anus has called for a closed meeting of the UN. Translation: a whole lot of blaming of Israel and sympathy for the devil.

Actually Israel has no "standing" with 90% of the world that hates it, so it can't be damaged by this. There's been enough decent reporting on the Hizbollah human shield program even by the likes of CNN. That should ensure that Americans don't turn against Israel - which is the only thing I care about.

By ignoring stories such as this and not providing context to as to the Israeli bombings of buildings which inflict civilian casualties, the western media is outright complicit in hezbollah's propaganda campaign.

Andrew Sullivan has called this a "Horrifying war crime".

#77 R2D2

Israel is cornered and the only option for us now is to GO FULL FORCE.

It's my opinion too.
The cost of a ceasefire NOW would be catastrophic for the future of Israel.

I noticed on the JP that the IDF is telling Syria to calm down, maybe there have been some movements of Syrian troops.

On the whole, now I think that all this could become what we thought on the very first day, the spark of WW III.

I pray for Israel and for all of us, we are at a strategic point.

I agree that American public opinion is all that matters. The rest of the world has been anti-Israel all along.

I'd be willing to bet that the majority of these civilians are friends and family members of the terrorists, since the IDF is only attaking Hizb'allah areas. The adults among them bear responsibility for the deaths of the children.

The adults probably didn't want to leave, but they should have evacuated the children. More muslim child abuse.

#84 EIDE_Interface

Sully is a lost cause. He needs to lay off of the poppers.

Children as human shields and old people without their medicine - these are the two oldest ploys in the terrorist propaganda playbook.

Because I am more interested in defeating the enemy at this point, they can show photos like this all day long.

Congratulations, Hezballah, you've battle-hardened the public into no longer caring how many charred publicity corpses you trot out for the cameras. Keep it up, and there may not be any left for your sick vesion of show-n-tell.

All we need is Syria and Iran to officially join in, funded by the Saudis, and we have a full-scale ME conflict that no one will be able to ignore.

What would General Patton do? What would General Grant do? Answer that before criticizing Israel.

What exactly is the source for the statistics on the innocent civilian casualties?

Who saw them? Who counted them?

After the successful hoaxes with the Muhammad al-Dura phony story and the Jenin Massacre phony story, there should be some objective and reliable source for this story.

What Israel needs is a little dose of The Union circa 1864 - willing to win at all costs.

no question it was a set up. whether they provided false info to the IDF or did the deed themselves Hizballah is the culprit. Do they get 72 Virgins for each of the Lebanese killed?

#91 Clio:

Actually what I've known all along is the only way for Israel to survive is the willingness to kill vast quantities of Arab/Moslems. If Qana is just a start, it's a good start. Israel has nothing to apologize for.

This report now running on Israeli news site:
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Arutz Sheva - IsraelNationalNews.com
19:55 Jul-30-06 / 5 Av 5766

IDF May Not Have Caused Kana Deaths
Sunday, July 30, 2006 / 5 Av 5766

(IsraelNN.com) Senior IDF officers told reporters a short time ago that there is a contradiction in the timing of the bombing of the village of Kana and reports of the explosion that killed more than 50 civilians and set off world-wide condemnation of Israel. Air Force Commander Amir Eshel left open the possibility that Hizbullah terrorists blew up the building or that an unknown cause set off explosives which were stored in the structure.

He explained that recorded information shows that Israeli Air Force planes bombed the building between midnight and 1 a.m. and that the next attack at 7:30 a.m. was up to 500 yards away. He said reports of the killing of civilians came around 8 a.m. "It is not clear what happened" between 1 a.m. and 8 a.m., he said.

Brigadier General Ido Nehushtan pointed out that more than Hizbullah terrorists have fired more than 150 rockets from the village of Kana since the beginning of the war.

The "Hells-Bullies" scream when "innocents" are casualties, but that's who they target when they launch their missiles.

F*&ck the terrorists Hellsbullies. Isreal, and the US must... I said MUST stand firm against terrorist aggression and their PROPAGANDA!

#95 Clio:

Even if this is a total setup/fabrication by Hizbollah designed to make Israel look like a war criminal, the fact is that sooner or later Israel will be forced to kill vast amounts of these "human shields" if they want to live. There is no such thing as precision-guided in all out war.

#90 IEDE_interface

Egg-zactly.

And if we had been willing to do the same, we'd be out of Iraq by now instead of pussy-footing around, being picked off by the five-and-tens on a daily basis by emboldened terrorists while our elected officials keep mumbling one thing or another about the Religion of Peace ™.

Ed Schultz on Air America was being quite supportive of Israel this week. I can imagine it just went *POOF*. Can't wait to hear what he's going to say Monday. He's the last pro-Israel holdout on that network.

#98 theheat:

The reason we aren't killing vast amounts of Arabs in Iraq is because American civilians aren't being bombed on a daily basis. So there isn't the public support for such a thing at this time. Israel is obviously in a totally different place.

Video of katushas being fired from Kana from near that building.

EIDE-Interface,

My two comments above are directed specifically against the gullible and at times downright malicious news media.

They are always quick to pick up a false accusation against Israel and shout it over and over again.

To the examples I already cited, add the Gaza Beach Picnic Hoax.

Once these false accusations are circulated, most people will always believe them.

As Mark Twain said, "A truth is not hard to kill . . . a lie told well is immortal."

#100 EIDE_interface

But at the time we were, such as the incident in Fullujah. Remember when we couldn't shoot at mosques? Remember when we were more worried about damaging tile and stone than American casualties? Since then, this has escalated into civil war with Americans and Iraqis dying on a daily basis because there is no full-on, leave the ground charred black, type of assault directed toward areas launching attacks and harboring pockets of terrorists.

No, we've chosen to search-and-destroy piecemeal to avoid casualties, which has only prolonged the conflict.

Israel realized long ago you won't win a war by going door-to-door (times 3 million homes) asking if there's a terrorist in your attic. Instead, they'll level the house. That's what it takes.

#103 theheat:

We didn't reduce Fallujah to rubble because there isn't sufficient American public opinion to save the lives of our Marines. If we had Hizbollah-land in Ontario and they were launching rockets into Chicago, we'd be razing whole buildings. It just comes down to how much the immediate sitution is linked to your civilian population. At this time we are fat, safe and happy(except for the Jewish Federation building in Seattle).

Not only is the photograph proof that Hezbollah operates behind enemy lines, they are clearly not in uniform. If they get hit Israel is condemned for inflicting "civilian" casualties.

No, I must say, I do have a problem with what Israel has chosen to do. Israel is absolutely right to go after Hezbollah despite they're hiding in civilian areas. But Israel is absolutely wrong to depend so much on airpower to do the job in lieu of sending in massive ground assaults.

Israel is afraid to send in massive armor and infantry sweeps. It's a lot easier for an infantryman to distinguish Hezbollah from civilians--the Hezbollah are the ones shooting at him!

So instead, they're bombing from the air with supersonic jets zooming by at high speed. That makes it virtually impossible to pick out guerrillas hiding among civilians. Heck, even the U.S. Air Force has AC-130 gunships and A-10 attack aircraft that can strafe ground targets with much greater precision.

Israel is waging the right war with the wrong tactics.

Yep, some strange shit starts to surface:

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

#106 Right Side:

A nation that won't use every weapon in its arsenal to survive doesn't deserve to survive. Israel has napalm, why don't they use it?

According to Hezbollah spokesman Fergal Keane, who also does a bit of work for the BBC and Independent, but denies being antisemitic, it's all the fault of the Israelis (like everything else) because they bombed the roads so that the Lebanese couldn't escape.

Regardless, Monday suuure is gonna be interesting! Can't wait for the great left-wing Krack-up over Israel!

#77 R2D2

I hear rumors IDF is quickly advancing in South Lebanon right now.

I looked around for a while and I found news on Le Figaro: yes the IDF on Sunday sent massive forces into Lebanon, to clear other hizb'allah strongholds.

#106 Right Side

Our experience in Iraq proves that what you suggest is wrong.
You seem to think that these thugs fight the same way a regular army does. They don't. You send the Troops in, everybody is cheerful at the market...as soon as you turn your back ... they are shooting at you and every road is boobytrapped.

Nope, airstrikes and artillery must break their back first, then you go in an clean up.
Long and difficult but better than having a whole Army in Iraq and being unable to win for three years.

#44 Bubbaman:

We're continuing to lose the media war being waged upon us by the Islamofascists. Their mastery supplants the Nazis. Get with it - dispel the lies.

I've tried, but when I probe deeply enough, I find that invariably I run up against a different moral code than my own. At the heart of this discussion is the assumption of most liberals and the MSM (which are often one and the same), that all--all--conflicts can be solved by negotiation and compromise. There are no genuine fanatics, no genuine evil men, in this world, who must be opposed with force; all problems are "misunderstandings" and "disputes" that can be resolved with enough negotiation. What about Hitler? Oh, he was a unique individual, nothing like him ever existed in world history either before or since, so that's a one-time irrelevant exception we don't need to remember.

That's where I end up--having to defend the idea that true evil has existed in the world and still exists today--evil that cannot be negotiated away. Belief in the existence of evil used to be motivated by Judeo-Christianity. But many of today's Leftists are atheists or even agnostics, so they don't believe in philosophical evil.

#108 EIDE_Interface:

A nation that won't use every weapon in its arsenal to survive doesn't deserve to survive.

But that's the problem: Israel is not doing that. They're not using the best weapon they have--large-scale coordinated army invasion. That's how they won the 1967 war, and it was a coordinated land counterattack that turned the tables on the Egyptians in the 1973 war.

I've always believed that the most humane war is the shortest war. Pulling your punches just drags out the war and adds to the pain and suffering.

But Israel has decided not to use overwhelming force this time. I wonder if that was due to diplomatic pressure. Early in this war, Mubarak announced triumphantly that he got Israel to agree not to launch a massive ground assault in Lebanon. My heart sank when I heard that.

#107 R2D2

Good link. If this hasn't been looked into, it ought to.

An IDF investigation has found that the building in Qana struck by the Air Force fell around eight hours after being hit by the IDF.

"The attack on the structure in the Qana village took place between midnight and one in the morning. The gap between the timing of the collapse of the building and the time of the strike on it is unclear," Brigadier General Amir Eshel, Head of the Air Force Headquarters told journalists at the Defense Ministry in Tel Aviv, following the incidents at Qana.

Eshel and the head of the IDF's Operational Branch, Major General Gadi Eisnkot said the structure was not being attacked when it collapsed, at around 8:00 in the morning.

The IDF believes that Hizbullah explosives in the building were behind the explosion that caused the collapse.

#113 Right Side:

It was always my belief that Ehud Olmert is a wimp and the Kadima/Labor will not be the government that wins this war. Day by day, the Israeli people are realizing the mistake they made in these last elections. I can only hope they make this government topple quickly and vote in a government that will win this war. Otherwise, if you don't see MASSIVE anti-government demonstrations soon it will be implicit approval of this limp-wristed approach.

#111 Poiters-Lepanto:

Right Side,
Our experience in Iraq proves that what you suggest is wrong.

On the contrary, our experience in Iraq proves that I am right!
One big reason we ended up with a 3 year guerrilla war is that way back in early 2003, the original U.S. plan was to invade Iraq from two sides: Turkey and Kuwait. The 4th Infantry Division was to invade Iraq from Turkey and probably pass thru or near the Sunni Triangle on the way to Baghdad.

But due to Turkey's intransigence, the U.S. was forced to invade only from Kuwait and the 4th I.D. never got into the fighting till near the end of the war. As a result, Fallujah and the Sunni Triangle were never invaded and cleared of insurgents until way after Baghdad fell to coalition forces. And we've paid for that mistake ever since.

We needed to crush the Sunni Triangle in a massive pincer attack that never came.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

IDF: Qana building fell hours after strike

The IDF believes that Hizbullah explosives in the building were behind the explosion that caused the collapse.

#116 Right Side

I know the story but it doesn't convince me.
I mean, not after three years.

But of course it's useless to discuss it now.
I just don't want to see the IDf bogged down in an infinite net of mines, snipers,etc.

The victories of 1967 etc. were against REGULAR Armies (although Arab armies) and there is no possible comparison with today.

"Air Force Chief of Staff Brig.-Gen. Amir Eshel ... pointed out that the building was hit sometime around midnight Saturday night and didn't collapse until about 8 a.m. Sunday morning, leaving an unusual gap in the timing of the events which the IDF was investigating.

"It's possible that inside the house, something or other was being stored that caused an explosion - something that we didn't succeed in blowing up in the [initial] attack and that perhaps was left over there," Eshel said. "I say this very cautiously, because I currently don't have the faintest idea what the explanation for this gap could be."

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Kofi Annan is the most USEFUL IDIOT of all.

That jerk needs to be sidelined -- QUICK!

#117 - No Duh! There's video of a truck full of (Iran's) missles going into the building!

If it's true that the building was hit between 12midnight and 1am and didn't collapse until 8am, then maybe the real question ought to be how all of those people kept "sleeping" soundly in the meantime. Or did they all go right back to sleep after two large bombs hit?

#122 -- Thank you for stating the obvious!

Time Magazine: How Rice's mission became victim of Israeli attack.
Nope, no bias there

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#123 LynnBo

I don't know if that was meant sarcastically, but obvious or not, my comment was meant tongue in cheek.

Still there are questions. Were most people killed at midnight or when it collapsed? Did most survive the initial bombing but were forced to stay until Hezb collapsed the building?

Katushya rocket were called Stalin organ they make a lot of noise people in that building new they were being used as human shield.

Go halfway down this page and tell me if the idiot on the stretcher looks to be either a child or an elderly person to you. HE looks like a typical Hezballah - beard and all. Does Reuters think we are all as stupid as the terrorists?

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

There are 2 reports by Ben Wedeman of CNN (!) (saw it on the video on demand) that the Israeli air force struck at midnight, so it's not just the Israelis saying this. In one report, he even quotes the Lebanese army as stating that it was just after midnight!
Also - there is one picture from the NY Times, that shows a body in rubble, lots of rubble - the only problem is, that the rubble is underneath a completely intact ceiling - this is beginning to smell more and more like "hoax" to me.
Nasrallah said he had lots of "surprises" - why are we assuming that the surprises are ordinance? Couldn't the "surprises" be set-ups? It has achieved the result that he wants - world-wide condemnation, and more talk (and more forceful talk) of immediate cease-fire. He is, after all, at a desperate point right now.
Walid Jumblatt (no great lover of Israel) said yesterday, that Nasrallah is willing to sacrifice lives in order to save Arab "honor" - this sort of hoax would do the trick.

It is Kofi Annan's failure that has caused Israel to have to do what was mandated in UN resolution 1559.

Just as, it is Kofi Annan's failure that caused the US to do what was mandated in the 15 UN Resolutions against Iraq that let to the end of the UN ceasefire in 2003.

The UN is at the root of all the wars that have broken out in the past 4 years.

The UN and specifically Kofi Annan are to blame for the rise of terrorism and the outbreak of WWIII.

The UN and Kofi Annan started WWIII. Period.

#125 Paul -

I loved your #122. It was perfect. You said it so well.

I was cheering you and your eloquence.

Arithmetic of Pain, by Dershowitz
[Link: www.law.harvard.edu...]

Written more than a week ago.
Hizballah seeks to maximize civilian casualties on both sides. Israel seeks to minimize civilian casualties on both sides.

Dershowitz had this exactly right.

We see how Hizballah has mastered the arithmetic of pain. That's what they seek -- maximum civilian casualties, and they use human shields to accomplish it.

#128 Jane Doe

Do you have any links you can give us? I would really appreciate it.

Thanks.

150 rockets fired from Qana at Israeli cities. Qana was a hub of Hizballah.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

I'd say someting like, "Israel regrets the loss of innocent life. Unfortunately, due to Hizballah's ongoing and cowardly use of Lebanese civilians as human shields, we can only expect to see more suffering and deaths like these in the days to come. Israel will continue to warn civilians to evacuate the areas where we are conducting anti-terrorist operations, but we will not relent in our mission to destroy Hizballah's terrorist infrastructure that is responsible for launching hundreds of rockets in daily indiscriminate attacks against our citizens."

Israel is afraid to send in massive armor and infantry sweeps. It's a lot easier for an infantryman to distinguish Hezbollah from civilians--the Hezbollah are the ones shooting at him!

You could always go in yourself.

The PLO and the arabs in general have always insisted that no israelis are civilians and that jewish children and pregnant women are legitamite targets. They set the rules of engagement, "Dresden" them. Not worth the life of any IDF soldier to walk into an IED ambush or sniper row unless there is intell to be gained etc. Otherwise toast them.

#130 LynnBo

Well, thanks for clearing that up:)

The whole incident is suspicious, and even Wolfy Blitzer seemed to question claims that it was not being used by Hezb. Wow.

This story shouldn't have much legs for long.

There are questions what exactly caused the building collapse.

[Link: shlemazl.blogspot.com...]

#132 LynnBo -
I don't have links, I didn't see any urls - the NY Times has a slide show, the fourth photograph is the one that really doesn't look right.
On CNN, it's on the Watch Video "Israeli Airstrikes in Qana" and "Dozens Feared Dead".
I saved the NY Times photo and would be happy to post it here, if someone can tell me how (there is no url that I could find).
I hope that someone with a better connection than me can download the CNN videos

Qana was a hub of the Hizballah rocket fire against Israel, with 150 rockets coming from Qana, and lots of Israeli counterattacks at Qana. That's why the Hizballah terrorists kept children there and did not evacuate them. Hizballah runs a state within a state, so it was incumbent on Hizballah to evacuate children from the hub of a rocket fire into Israel, the hub of a war zone. The Hizballah terrorists did not carry out the evacuation, and they are responsible for this.

This is a tragic trap that was set by Hizballah.

But the right response is not to make the situation far more dangerous by having a "cease fire" so Hizballah can rearm and acquire lots of more rockets and missiles and missile launchers.

Any of y'all watch the full "Obsession" flick, referenced elsewhere on LGF?

Unfortunately, this is all beginning to click, for me.

The ideologically single minded, lawless outsourced mercenaries of radical Islam's most aggressively anti-Western civilisation, given that they know theirs is first and foremost a PR war, probably would think nothing of blowing up the building as a PR "bomb" against the too-quick-to-apologize (and therefore guilty by reverse association) Israel.

The amazing thing is, that the whole world almost Instantly moves to condemn Israel! A building (supposedly) full of civvies collapses, killing scores. The UN's resident gasbag denounces the inhumanity of it. Absolutely every Arab commentator is decrying the Massacre. Fwansse is beside herself (fearing an irrational outburst of car-burning, no doubt, should she remain speculatively silent for more than a nanosecond). The Hez instantly rage for retribution. The Lebanese suddenly can't negotiate a cease-fire or any other accord (which of fvckin' course they can't anyway: the Hez don't consider Lebanon's gub'mint sovereign.

Moreover - after watching Obsession, I'm struck with the fact that to the radicalized Islamicist, hate driven beyond reason by Iran's 30+ year "Death to America" invectives, that any Lebanese heeding the overflown Israeli leaflets advising their flight, are no better than scum, weaklings, Jew lovers, turncoats. And therefore... can be slaughtered to great political fodder end, without remorse.

I may be near-the-first to say it so here, but I'm sure it is felt by nearly all: Western civilisation's very tenets are themselves what is under attack: the sanctity of life, the humane code of the military, the requirement that fine-sounding words must be backed by actions-in-kind, and above all else, the desire to build, advance and protect a society giving these tenets to its people.

Israel is just the vanguard of the much greater War.

We are in World War III since Iran's putsch of its Shah. Didn't recognize it as such until 9/11, the Beslan massacres, the London and Madrid bombings, Kobar towers, the USS Cole, but we are in WW3. It saddens me, it frightens me, it worries me, it angers me.

If you haven't seen it ... you simply must see Obsession. Probably the single most powerful film I've seen yet.

GoatGuy

Can any experts identify that AAA weapon?

Found that NY Times url:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Does it also look like rigor mortis has already set in when the picture was taken? Any medical people out there who could say?

And here is the CNN link:
[Link: edition.cnn.com...]
and

#17 ...Someone please send a memo to Bush so he can stop talking about the "democratic Lebanon." There is no such animal...

Well a new survey of Lebonese showed that 82% of the people support Hizbulla. Basically this is another pisstinian victim hood and should be carpet bombed so that the world can give them jobs to rebuild their shit hole. Also don't forget about the tens of thousands of these vermin crawling in Americas sewers and draining public coffers.

Please Please issue a warning before showing pictures of these inbreeds without their customary mask. I almost puked.

Israel is surrendering: "Late today, Israel agreed to suspend its airstrikes for 48 hours while it investigates the bombing of Qana, a State Department spokesman said. The spokesman, Adam Ereli, told reporters in Jerusalem that Israel would coordinate with the United Nations to provide a 24-hour period during which residents of southern Lebanon could leave area safely."

Olmert turned out to be another Clinton or Carter.

Can't believe the lack of spine in Israeli leadership: weak and stupid seem to sum up their entire political class.

Speaking of biased reporting today, the Orange County (home to Adam Ghadan et al.) Register today has pics of Muslim protests, with Pali-dressed kid, and opines that "No counter protesters were at the demonstration, possibly in part because Saturday is the Jewish Sabbath." How the heck do they know?

Protests

BREAKING:

IDF May Not Have Caused Kana Deaths

#147 The Bruce -
Actually, it sounds better than it sounds - think about it - 24 hours for civilians to clear out of the south and then we can get back to taking care of business. Almost sounds like the UN has sanctioned us to do it. And as we really don't want to inflict civilain caualties anyway, we get to gain back a few Brownie points.

#150 jane doe

Actually, it sounds better than it sounds - think about it - 24 hours for civilians to clear out of the south and then we can get back to taking care of business. Almost sounds like the UN has sanctioned us to do it. And as we really don't want to inflict civilain caualties anyway, we get to gain back a few Brownie points.

I'm quite certain that hezbollah will keep right on launching rockets and missiles into Israel, and that Iran and Syria will keep right on resupplying hezbollah, all the while, Israel is supposed to stand back.

hezbollah OWNS Lebanon, in every way, and hezbollah isn't even a legitimate anything, and the idea that there is any negotiations, is insane!

Maybe people really won't ever wake up and realize what is going on!

Israel is fighting a islamofascist terror group, hezbollah, who are not legitimate in any way, and Israel is supposed to stop for 24 hours, while hezbollah re-arms, re-groups, and receives even more supplied arms from Iran and Syria, and still fires rockets and missiles into Israel?

Insane, is the only word to describe this!

"34 Youths Among 56 Dead in Israeli Strike Hizbollah Defensive War-Crime."

The pre-spin data...

Charles;

Re: the photographs.

Man, but the Lebanese take their duck-hunting fuckin' SERIOUSLY, don't they?

Regards;