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Brooklyn Public Library Nixes Londonistan

Wed, Aug 2, 2006 at 8:07:52 am PDT

The Brooklyn Public Library has turned down a reader’s request to purchase a copy of Melanie Phillips’ book on radical Islam, Londonistan: ‘Potentially incendiary’ at the Brooklyn Public Library.

For those in doubt about how deeply ingrained the latter sentiment is in the institutional life of our culture, I offer the following communication from Wayne Roylance, Adult Selection Coordinator at Brooklyn Public Library in New York. A reader had asked that the Library purchase Londonistan. He received this reply from Mr. Roylance:

Thank you for your question. Normally, the library doesn’t add a nonfiction title to the collection (and especially one that is potentially incendiary) unless a review from a trusted source (professional journals) can be found. Unfortunately, we have not found such a review for Londonistan. Therefore, at this time, the library will not be adding Londonistan to the collection.
Very high-minded of you, Wayne, to forbear adding “potentially incendiary” stuff to the pristine shelves of the Brooklyn Public Library. But wait, what counts as “potentially incendiary” to the guardians of the public purse at The New York Public Library? We know that Londonsitan counts, never mind that the historian Daniel Johnson, writing in Commentary, said that “Anyone who cares about Britain, or indeed about the survival of Judeo-Christian civilization, should read Melanie Phillips’s brave and disturbing book.” But what about some of the Library’s other recent acquisitions? Consider Empire by the Duke University professor Michael Hardt and the Italian terrorist Antonio Negri. Apparently that book is not “potentially incendiary,” though it argues that “militancy today is a positive, constructive, and innovative activity.” Or how about Al Franken’s book Lies (and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them): A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right? Brooklyn readers can find that little bijou on the shelves of their public library. They can also find, to move from the political to the pornographic, Toni Bentley’s paean to sodomy, The Surrender: An Erotic Memoir. That, too, is available to readers at the Brooklyn Library. (Nor does Bentley’s book represent an aberration for Brooklyn’s Selection Committee: readers can also edify themselves with Ron Jeremy: the long hard life of a porn star or, moving back to politics, From Oslo to Iraq and the Road Map by the late Edward W. Said, the left-wing Columbia professor PLO sympathizer.)

UPDATE at 8/2/06 9:34:17 am:

The reader whose request to the Brooklyn Library is mentioned above has contacted us at LGF, to let us know that the library has now reconsidered their decision and will carry the book after all.

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1 Gang of One  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:09:27am

And we sink further into PC appeasement.

2 ggt  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:10:15am

oooh, Did the Librarian forget the latin source of the word library?

3 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:10:20am

You wanna bet they carry a whole slew of Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn books?

4 6patrick6  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:10:37am

Appeasers and PC scum.

Your public library & tax dollars at work.

5 rw in san diego  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:11:03am

Unbelievable! Censorship by librarians.

6 thinkingmom  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:11:57am

Further evidence that the Establishment is hell-bent on destroying America.

7 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:11:57am

Just remember this the next time this (or any library) "Celebrates Banned Books Week"
/spit!

8 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:11:57am

Willful ignorance, craven capitulation and cowardly vacillation will not spare you from the monsters, Mr. Librarian.

What a pussy.

9 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:12:24am

Brooklynistan!

10 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:14:19am

...but in the name of free speech the kids can still access porn on the library computers.

11 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:14:25am
unless a review from a trusted source

They have their butts covered in case one produces a review. "That isn't a source we trust."

12 alkmyst  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:14:39am

Powerline sez:

UPDATE: Reader Jeff Chambers writes: "Scott, pressure worked in this case. The Brooklyn Public Library now has ONE! copy of Londonistan on order. Order placed 7/31/2006." Today's good news!
13 shug  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:14:57am

Unfortunately, after the Library paid for Heather Has two mommies and a year subscription to 1000 porn sites...there just weren't funds available

14 wargammer2005  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:15:15am

from Walter Williams

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

15 Goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:15:59am

Okay, we need to find an academic Lizard to write a critical review of the book ASAP. Once that's in print, there's no excuse.

And yes, I know there are some academic Lizards, even if they must stay under their rocks to survive in the desert of academe.

(don't you love my metaphor?)

16 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:16:14am
17 mglazer  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:16:18am

Its because only Muslims riot and kill

if jews and christians started to riot and kill like Muslims they would be taken seriously

In the modern liberal western world violence is rewarded - well

muslims know this

18 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:17:35am
19 tigger2005  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:17:45am

You want dhimmitude?

Check out this article. It's not particularly shocking that child porn was found on the computer of the suspect who was shot in the London raid; what's mind-boggling is how Scotland Yard has accomplished the amazing feat of bending over for someone while kissing his butt at the same time.

20 rednaxela  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:17:51am

Yet again proof that censorship and abridgement of speech get us nowhere, regardless of where the speech is coming from.

21 republic  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:17:58am
unless a review from a trusted source (professional journals) can be found.

Oh yes, unless some leftist kook msm journal gives whatever is under consideration a thumbs up.

Like the kook msm who have spun, decieved, or outright lied about nearly every news topic over the past 30+ years.

islamofascism, keep calling it what it really is folks,

the religion of deceit and murder!

22 rednaxela  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:19:19am

#10 Ringo the Gringo

And?

23 dennisw  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:19:41am

[Link: www.libraryjournal.com...] At Brooklyn PL, Wayne Roylance devotes nearly three-quarters of the new fiction budget to 40 or 50 of the hottest titles but leaves room for some imaginative purchases. “For midlist authors, I usually look for one of two things,” explains Roylance, “something 'Oprah-like' for our traditional patrons (recently ordered authors include Lois-Ann Yamanaka, Maile Meloy, Sharon Owens, Carol Goodman, and Joanne Harris) or something from up-and-coming 'important' writers (or potentially important) for our 'serious literature' aficionados (recent orders include books by Kiran Desai, Olga Grushin, Dara Horn, Heather McGowen, and Magnus Mills).” With a list like that, it's not altogether surprising that one of the library's recent “surprise hits” was Michel Houellebecq's thorny and controversial The Elementary Particles.

24 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:19:54am
#12 alkmyst 8/2/2006 08:14AM PDT
Powerline sez:

UPDATE: Reader Jeff Chambers writes: "Scott, pressure worked in this case. The Brooklyn Public Library now has ONE! copy of Londonistan on order. Order placed 7/31/2006." Today's good news!

Well, all right then.

Is this a thread ender? Can't rant on and on for a hundred posts if the forces of good have overcome, what?

25 BignJames  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:20:05am

Bet they threw out Huckleberry Finn, too.

26 FrogMarch  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:20:19am

left-wingers control everything. The left-wingers are in charge of speech.

27 rrroark  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:20:24am

My library in greater Atlanta just sent me a declination letter for a request for "The Marketing of Evil", saying they don't stock things available on the internet.
Top that for a lame excuse!

28 abu_garcia  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:20:31am

Sorry to go OT so soon, but has anyone seen Ed Mahmoud? I'm curious about Chris's track.

29 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:20:37am

I guess the windows of the Brooklyn Library must face east and didn't have a clear view of lower Manhattan on 9/11.

They'll do anything they can to avoid offending the headchoppers yet they'll fight to the death to avoid having the authorities check who used their computers.

30 TotallySirius  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:21:33am

This is totally reprehensible.

The very thought that a library would refuse to carry any book is beyond my comprehension.

31 alkmyst  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:22:10am

Seeing as that my #12 has already completed my work on this topic, here's an OT:

Just wait for the LLL reaction to this - oh, the poor penguins!

Oil Spill Contaminating Lebanese Coastline

35,000 metric tons of fuel oil spilled into the Mediterranean as a result of IDF air raids on the Jiyyeh power plant, south of Beirut, on July 13 and 15. The spill has been spreading 80 kilometers up the Lebanese coast and is now threatening to foul the Syrian coast, as well.

Lebanon appealed to the United Nations for assistance in cleaning up the spill last week. The United Nations Environment Program (UNEP) is organizing a multi-nation team to handle the environmental crisis.
32 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:22:20am
33 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:23:40am

Ed was all over the dead thread.

BTW, I saw Ann Coulter gave herself a great review on her most recent book, so I assume the BPL is carrying Godless.

34 Golem Akbar  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:23:43am

Censorship is alive! The last time I was in San Francisco, I went to City Lights Bookstore, that bastion of free speech, and asked for a copy of the new book by Orianna Falacci. They told me they didn't carry books by fascists (except for Mein Kampf).

Remember, progressive or liberal, today, no longer means even-handed.

35 alkmyst  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:24:34am
#24 Silhouette 8/2/2006 08:19AM PDT

Well, all right then.

Is this a thread ender? Can't rant on and on for a hundred posts if the forces of good have overcome, what?

Sorry, I didn't mean to end a thread within 5 mintes of it being up.

Please everyone, feel free to continue ranting... :-)

36 avk2  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:26:00am

...but you can order a personal copy for yourself over the internet from our PC kiosk over there. just wait in line behind those bearded gentlemen.

id help you myself but i have to help them with some research on ordnance

/sorry, we dont have Fahrenheit 451 either

37 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:26:01am
Normally, the library doesn’t add a nonfiction title to the collection (and especially one that is potentially incendiary) unless a review from a trusted source liberal (professional journals) can be found.

Fixed that for all of you NYT readers...

JAFLW

38 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:26:05am

Brooklynstan.

Potentially ? "potentially Amerabia".

39 Van Impe  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:27:12am

Once upon a time, Mrs VI worked in a public library. She says the most "vigilant" group was the Scientologists. Any time there was a magazine article or newspaper article critical of Scientology or Ron Hubbard or that discussed it secrets, the magazine or newspaper would disappear or else the offending article would be cut out by persons unknown. Meanwhile the local Scientology chapter would donate copies of Dyanetics to the library every year to ensure copies were always available.

40 southern belle  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:27:20am

totally off the subject, but will some kind soul help me learn how to register for
'digg it"? when asked to name my user name, i put southern belle and it tells me that is not right! well, what IS right?

thanks for any input for this computer dummy.

41 Pete(Detroit)  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:27:30am

And here I was appalled that MY tax $$ were being spent on "Booty Call" - which was actually kinda funny, in an incendiary way

42 Isadore  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:27:30am

OT

AFP promotes blood libel (again?) in piece about blogs:

"A hell of a morning! Israelis breakfast a la carte: rare, medium and well done children and women in one of South Lebanon's villages, Qana. An order large enough to feed an entire battalion and to make the Lebanese roar," reads a blog from Beirut-based Pamela Chrabieh Badine.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

43 republic  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:27:42am

#29 JamieWearingFool

I guess the windows of the Brooklyn Library must face east and didn't have a clear view of lower Manhattan on 9/11.

They'll do anything they can to avoid offending the headchoppers yet they'll fight to the death to avoid having the authorities check who used their computers.

First, they(leftist kooks) don't believe that 9/11 was commited by islamofascists, they(leftist kooks) share equal, or greater time, and thought, that 9/11 was orchestrated by the Bush Administration, much like they(leftist kooks) try and compare hezbollah, as some kind of legitimate anything, when all hezbollah is, is a islamofascist butchering terrorist organization.

hezbollah doesn't need to just be disarmed, they need to be killed, period.

Black is white, 1+2=4, right is wrong, up is down.

And the left wants to be in charge of our great country?

Over my dead body!

44 Phocid  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:27:49am

Under the heading of "don't get mad, get even:" instead of a lot of complaining I think a lot of us could cause the Brooklyn Library a lot of trouble...in the media and elswhere. Most people don't like censorship and this blatant butkissing of terrorist thugs oughta be exposed to the widest possible audience. Brooklyn Library isn't the Springfield Elementary School library. And don't forget #16.

45 Paul  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:28:33am

Public libraries are like private book stores: most are contolled by leftists who decide what books are, or are not, available and what books are prominently displayed or buried in the shelves. I always enjoy the sneers or eye rolls I get when I check out/purchase a conservative tome.

Many librarians do not believe in free inquiry or the marketplace of ideas.

46 MoonbatBane  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:28:41am

All those other books the library carries are offensive to Christians and conservatives. You know, people who don't blow you up.

Londonistan is offensive to Islamiacs. You know, people who do blow you up.

So this is one part leftist bias and one part pure cowardice. Or is that redundant?

47 MarshallOnellion  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:29:07am

Quite sad and, given the internet, archaic censorship. By contrast, the library system that includes my little town of Stoughton, WI (20 miles from Madison, WI) bought the book as a matter of routine and has it available. Perhaps we should tell people in Brooklyn to request an interlibrary loan from Madison, WI as an assistance for the censorious New Yorkers.

48 loppyd  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:29:49am

29 JammieWearingFool

Hi Jammie!

They'll do anything they can to avoid offending the headchoppers yet they'll fight to the death to avoid having the authorities check who used their computers.

Yep. Like the librarian here in Newton, MA who refused to let the FBI access the library's public computers when they were acting on a threat to Brandeis University believed to have been sent from there. Naturally she became a local hero...

49 frankp_63  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:32:07am

(and especially one that is potentially incendiary)

Books don't ignite, people do.
Ask Ray Bradbury.

50 Goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:32:22am

I guess the key is "unless a review from a trusted source (professional journals) can be found."
Whom do they trust?

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

[Link: www.tnr.com...]

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

[Link: www.politicaltheory.info...]

[Link: www.atimes.com...]

This is just a cursory Google list of a variety of views. I've intentionally omitted the NRO ones, assuming that they wouldn't be "trusted."

51 Pete(Detroit)  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:33:01am

OTOH, I was QUITE pleased to be able to get "The Kite Runner" and "Prayers for the Assasin" from my Library.
Both excellent!

52 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:33:47am

OT - A candid admission about civilian casualties in Lebanon -

At least 13 civilians were killed when Israeli warplanes hit Jammaliyeh, a village near Baalbek, security sources said.

"We are all with the resistance. We are against any ceasefire. This conflict must run its course," said Ali Jamal-Eddine, whose uncle died in Jammaliyeh.

53 GregInSeattle  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:34:08am

We're closer to the fascism that the Left seems to be so concerned about. Except instead of coming from the Right, it's coming from the Left.

54 Dave the.....  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:34:58am
Just remember this the next time this (or any library) "Celebrates Banned Books Week"

It's sad that many of our libraries have become so PC.

Funniest thing is that newpapers have reported (no linky though) of paranoid small town librarians shredding all of their records ever night as they are afraid of evil gov't types coming in to see what is being checked out. As in random checks.

55 Shifra  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:37:34am

This inspired me to look for the book at my library here in central Maryland- a blue Democrat area. There are 2 copies in the county and I am 4th on the reserve list.

BTW I don't know how other libraries have their patron used computers set up but ours erases cookies and history at the end of each session. Once books are returned there is no record of who borrowed them.

56 alkmyst  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:37:47am

Yet another Off-Topic

An Economic End To Terrorism

57 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:37:49am

Any fellow New Yorkers here feel like organizing a protest?

58 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:37:58am

45 Paul
You should have seen the look I got in Barnes and Noble last Christmas when I bought their one and only copy of the Golden Childrens Bible

[Link: www.powells.com...]


which was literally BURIED under mounds of lefty indoctrination type childrens books.
Not this one, but right in line with this one:
[Link: littledemocrats.net...]


I'm sure she wondered how I even found it.

59 TotallySirius  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:38:37am

OT

I found this pic of soon to be hurricane Chris...it is impressive.

High-res image of Chris.

60 republic  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:38:52am

#53 Greg In Seattle

We're closer to the fascism that the Left seems to be so concerned about. Except instead of coming from the Right, it's coming from the Left.

You are 100% spot on my friend!

61 Eddie Haskell  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:39:30am

Fahrenheit 451.

62 Isadore  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:39:59am

As someone that lives in Brooklyn I should add that I've been trying to buy Londonistan in the hood (and once in Manhattan) for some time without any luck.

63 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:40:15am
64 republic  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:41:09am

#59 Totally Sirius

OT

I found this pic of soon to be hurricane Chris...it is impressive.

High-res image of Chris.

Remember, no matter what, this hurricane, and every other which may come, or has come over the past 500 years, is President Bush's fault, OK.

/moonbat global warming alarmist kook

65 loppyd  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:41:21am

When I was a kid around 10 or so I asked a librarian to help me find The Giving Tree by Shel Silverstein. The librarian refused to help me and told me the book was sexist. I was 10 so I didn't know what sexist meant and assumed she meant there was sex in it...I was humiliated. I went home and told my mom what had happened. The next think I knew, we were peeling out of the driveway in that old VW Bug faster than you can say "pissedoffmotherofchildwhohasbeenhurt" and on our way to the library. My mom found the librarian, asked to speak to her in private and they went into an office. All I could see was my mom's big gold hoop earings shaking and her arms waving while she was obviously going off on the woman. When they emerged, my mom was holding the dewey decimal numbers to locate the book and the librarian apologized for hurting my feelings.

It was one of the first times I realized what an amazing woman my mom is.

The irony of the story is the librarian's daughter is a year older than me and turned out to be a total whore in HS.

Bwaahahahahahaha!

66 Goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:43:27am

#58

Lucky is the child for whom you bought that Bible.

Even if one chooses to regard the Bible as myth, it is a crucial foundation text of Western culture. A person cannot understand history, art, literature, or culture without understanding the stories and interpretations of the Bible.

In the American lit course I teach, I have to explain all the Biblical allusions. Last year one kid asked me (respectfully) if I was allowed to teach all "this God stuff." I explained that it was what the AUTHORS believed, and that it was essential to understand what and why they wrote. I made it clear that I was not insisting that anyone agree with those authors' points of view; just to understand them.

67 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:44:08am

I wonder if the BPL has "The Prince" by Niccolo Machiavelli? It's incendiary. But good right now.

68 republic  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:44:38am

#63 American Infidel

Not long ago, President Bush had said that we have "Freedom of Press" but with "freedom" comes "responsibility to be thoughtful about others"...

I'm quite sure that President Bush meant that for peaceful people, who don't deceieve, and then butcher other human beings, including their own family members, all in the name of the RoP.

I'm quite certain.

69 jamgarr  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:45:02am

I love it when hypocracy is outed - it just makes my day!

70 Goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:46:19am

#65 loppyd

Give your mom a hug for me. Not only did she back you up, she had the grace to speak to the librarian in private. She obviously spoke her mind (I love the image of shaking gold hoop earrings!), and she achieved her goal (book number & apology) without making a public scene from the get-go.

71 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:46:20am

OT OT OT

From Michelle Malkin

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Marine Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich has filed a defamation lawsuit against blabbermouth Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.).

72 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:48:11am

63 American Infidel

First of all
GRAMSICAN SOCIALIST LIBRARIANS ARE THE CALIPHATE'S WHORES

LOL

secondly
They are more worried about
BROOKLYN Muslims seething...
of which there are PLENTY
especially at Brooklyn's Al-Farouq Mosque


Trouble in My 'Hood: The Muslim question in Brooklyn
[Link: www.findarticles.com...]


Hate Grows in Brooklyn
[Link: www.nysun.com...]


Report Links Brooklyn Mosque to Saudi Hate Material
[Link: www.nysun.com...]

Atta stayed in Brooklyn during June 2000
[Link: www.topdog08.com...]

Millions Raised for Qaeda in Brooklyn, U.S. Says
[Link: www.siteinstitute.org...]


I could go on forever
and that's just on Mosque
albiet Brooklyn's most prominent

73 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:48:29am

Can I call "bullshit" on the Brooklyn Public Library? Yes? Okay.

BULLSHIT!

74 loppyd  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:49:55am

70 Goddessoftheclassroom

Thanks!

My mother is my hero and my best friend.

75 Endangered in Mass  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:49:57am

#53 Seatle Gregg

Nazi is an acronym for National Socialist. Mussilini's fascism sprung from his socialist roots.

76 republic  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:50:07am

#71 P-L

Outstanding

I wonder if the kook left will push the kook leftist Murtha off the cliff, with elections coming soon, and all.

It's really something to watch them eat their own, whom they have stood behind for years, when any trouble comes!

Jefferson, Leiberman, etc, are a few examples.

Will Murtha be next?

Watch the self destructive kook left, self destruct some more.

77 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:50:09am

loppyd,

It was one of the first times I realized what an amazing woman my mom is.

The irony of the story is the librarian's daughter is a year older than me and turned out to be a total whore in HS.

But loppyd. This would be considered a success in raising a progressive child as long as she voted for Jimmy Carter, Billy Bob Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry.

But to rational people like you and me? Justice!

Bwaahahahahahaha!

78 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:52:32am

Loppy

You lucky girl... kiss yo mamma for me~


ZAPPA DE UMMAH!

79 republic  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:52:37am

#77 goodbye_natalie

ROFLMAO!

Good one!

It's true, and sad, but funny!

80 loppyd  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:53:27am

77 goodbye_natalie

I don't think this girl could pick out Washington D.C. on a map. She's as dumb as they come!

81 Carridine  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:53:36am

The library mirrors the Christian clergy's efforts to keep people from learning about Baha'u'llah, and His Coming...

They don't have to conspire, its not a conspiracy, they just do as Jesus warned them NOT TO DO: "..be ye hot, or be ye cold, but if ye are lukewarm, I'll vomit you out of My mouth..."

Christian clergy (like librarians) aren't stupid, and they've seen for decades that when one of their fellow clergy 'gets HOT' and leads a congregation TO the Glory of God, most of them declare their faith and leave the church;

and whenever a Christian clergy-person has waxed 'cold' and warned people AGAINST Baha'u'llah, the Glory of God, people are attracted TO Him...

So their only hope of slowing the movement of people to the Baha'i Faith is to be 'lukewarm', non-committal... "Oh, false prophets and all... WE have more important things to deal with... everybody KNOWS Christ couldn't have returned when He said He would..."

82 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:54:26am

#75 Endangered,

Nazi is an acronym for National Socialist

Librarian Socialist...

LIZI!

Took an axe and gave the book forty whacks.
When she saw what she had done,
She gave her patrons forty-one.

83 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:55:49am
84 Endangered in Mass  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:55:53am

#75 Seattle Greg

No-one said they were smart either. To paraphrase RR:

Pro-communist read Marx. Anti coomunist understand Marx.

85 RedPepper  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:56:13am

#34 Golem: Don't you just yearn to know whether the BPL has a copy of Falacci's latest book? Or any title by her?

/Grrr...

86 loppyd  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:56:26am

Babbazee

I count my blessings every day.

That video was trippy...bass the bong!

87 loppyd  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:57:31am

PIMF

pass the bong...

jeesh. You would think someone had passed it to me already. :D

88 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:58:51am

#81 Carradine,

The library mirrors the Christian clergy's efforts to keep people from learning about Baha'u'llah, and His Coming...

2 Peter 2:1

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

Be careful what you wish for...

89 Doss  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:58:57am
The Brooklyn Public Library has turned down a reader’s request to purchase a copy of Melanie Phillips’ book on radical Islam, Londonistan

This is a good reminder for lizards to request anti-jihadi books at your local library. I'm going to the closest library in an hour to request Londinistan, which I see they don't have. The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam is another that we should all request, especially since the title would jump out at someone more than most books on Islam.

90 quark2  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:58:59am

@55 shifra

BTW I don't know how other libraries have their patron used computers set up but ours erases cookies and history at the end of each session. Once books are returned there is no record of who borrowed them.

Some day the librarians will weep with grief for
all the records they've destroyed, because it might mean the difference between life and death for a city or a town.

91 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 6:59:29am
92 Endangered in Mass  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:00:00am

#82 Goodbye Nat

Bravo!

Why are the same folks that get the vapors over the Patriot act and it's "shredding of our constitution" all apologists for fro every left wing nutjob despot?

93 GOPokie  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:00:11am

I just checked the Tulsa Library System website and couldn't find this book either by title or author search - so I did an online form requesting the Library purchase this book, also. It'll be interesting to see what happens...I haven't seen much problem with censorship here; I just yesterday checked out a book on the Islamic "faith" written by 2 ex-Muslims who are now Christians... I'll keep you posted

94 Endangered in Mass  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:01:52am

#87 Loppy D

Who ordered a pizza?(wow man)

95 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:03:32am

This seems really, really bad to me.

We need to somehow purge our society of leftists. When they start banning books at libraries it has gone far beyond a difference of opinion.

96 lurking faith  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:03:44am

#65 loppyd

Good for your mom. And that librarian - well, some people just shouldn't be allowed to work around kids.

But I can't help feeling sorry for her daughter - think what a handicap she grew up under, with that kind of crap pouring into her brain from day one.

97 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:03:54am

#91 American Infidel
LOL I think he was worried about headchpoppers closer to home is all


Carridine:

Are you nuts?
I know you are Ba'hai
and I respect your right to be Ba'hai
and generally I have thought of you as a nice and funny poster...
but did you get into my stash or something?

The Christian Clergy have shit to do with this.
Further to that most Christians dont even know what a Ba'hai is, I would wager even many American pastors and priests have no clue what a Ba'hai is.

Why start shit with Christians this morning?

98 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:04:39am

94 Endangered in Mass
87 Loppy D

GANJIHAD!

99 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:05:48am

#85 RedPepper 8/2/2006 08:56AM PDT
#34 Golem: Don't you just yearn to know whether the BPL has a copy of Falacci's latest book? Or any title by her?

/Grrr...


OK. Lets call!

be back in a minute...

100 salaami  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:05:57am

Not to pimp State Radio Britain, but Melanie is a regular contributor on one of their radio shows. A voice of reason -- I'm surprized they let her on the air.

101 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:07:42am

I'm on hold...

102 Doss  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:07:44am

Librarians not supporting their peers in Cuba:

In March the Cuban government shocked many observers by jailing 75 independent journalists, poets, and human rights activists, including at least 10 directors of independent libraries. Numerous libraries were raided during the crackdown, resulting in the seizure of thousands of books and circulation records which reveal the identity of library patrons. Amnesty International has declared all of the detainees to be prisoners of conscience. Since 1998, when the independent library movement was founded in an effort to oppose Cuba's harsh system of censorship, approximately 200 libraries have been established by volunteers throughout the island to offer public access to reading materials reflecting all points of view. As confirmed by human rights groups such as Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and International PEN, the volunteer librarians have been subjected to an ongoing campaign of persecution, culminating in the recent harsh crackdown which, after one-day trials, imposed prison sentences of up to 26 years on librarians.

"After years of silence, double-talk and cover-ups by the ALA," said Robert Kent, a co-founder of the Friends of Cuban Libraries, a support group for the independent library movement, "the current vicious attack gives the ALA no excuse for failing to take action. The heel of the Cuban government's boot has been stamped on innocent people whose only alleged crime is to have defended intellectual freedom, which is supposed to be the ALA's most cherished principle."

"For four years," said Kent, "various ALA Councilors and committees have refused to acknowledge the validity of Cuba's innovative movement to create uncensored libraries, but instead have called their directors agents of the US government or non-librarians because they do not have university degrees, even though the ALA's own policy manual recognizes the legitimacy of all libraries."

103 loppyd  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:08:12am

Endangered in Mass

Who ordered a pizza?(wow man)

Mmmm...pizza.

Time for lunch!

104 mad_scientist  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:09:21am

Private Bookstores should be able to carry whatever they want, but PUBLIC libraries should not be do this sort of thing.

The left is only a few steps away from book burning...

105 RedPepper  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:10:11am

#100 salaami: Greetings! Welcome to the zoo ...

106 piglet  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:10:30am

Funny that librarians are calling for Mel's head
when many supported rabid jew haters like Michal Moore, Jessie Jackson etc.


[Link: freerangelibrarian.com...]

Dump Mel

Dump Mel
Originally uploaded by freerangelibrarian.
Mel Gibson is featured on an ALA Read Poster. The American Library Association has clear anti-discrimination policies. We've known about his homophobia for years, but not taken action. Will we also tolerate his anti-Semitism?

Let's get this "Read" poster removed from ALA's graphics store. Mel Gibson's example doesn't belong on the walls of libraries. I encourage you to ask your state chapter councilor for the American Library Association to ask why ALA is selling this poster, and to lead the way to have this poster removed from ALA inventory. Either that, or let's even up the representation and add a series of posters featuring famous bigots from all walks of life.

Posted by K.G. Schneider on July 31, 2006 10:06 AM

107 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:10:51am

They have on copy of the Force of Reason at the central library
it is checked out currently

they have 3 copies of the rage and the pride at 3 different locations
none are checked out

I asked in an arabic accent

LOL!

108 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:11:55am
109 echoparkdirt  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:13:02am

Repulsive.

110 RedPepper  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:13:40am

#107 BZ: Good Work!

111 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:15:18am

Londonistan is indeed getting a Big Media brownout in the review sources. But I don't think you can tag the Brooklyn Library with cowardice. A quick search through their online catalog reveals holdings of Robert Spencer's Islam Unveiled and The Myth of Islamic Tolerance; Steve Emerson's American Jihad; even a good collection of Hugh Hewitt's books.

Now, if they are overwhelmed with popular demand for a book, then that ought to outweigh the absence of a positive MSM review. But how much demand do you think there would be for Londonistan in blue, blue, Brooklyn?

112 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:15:39am

Thanks red P

113 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:15:47am
114 lurking faith  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:16:07am

BabbaZee

I was going to tell you the BPL's catalog (available online) shows a number of titles by Fallaci, some in Italian and some in English.

But you already found out.

116 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:17:25am
117 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:17:32am

ALL HAIL THE HOLY LEAF, LOL!

118 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:19:14am

#114 lurking faith


Thanks
I just pulled it up

I see it ~

I enjoyed using one of my million accents again though, LOL!

119 loppyd  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:19:27am

Babba

I asked in an arabic accent

LOL!

Off to get lunch...BBL.

120 TotallySirius  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:23:02am

Its Reggae day.

By Bob Marley...

Ooh, yeah! all right!
Were jammin:
I wanna jam it wid you.
Were jammin, jammin,
And I hope you like jammin, too.

Aint no rules, aint no vow, we can do it anyhow:
Ini will see you through,
cos everyday we pay the price with a little sacrifice,
Jammin till the jam is through.

Were jammin -
To think that jammin was a thing of the past;
Were jammin,
And I hope this jam is gonna last.

No bullet can stop us now, we neither beg nor we wont bow;
Neither can be bought nor sold.
We all defend the right; jah - jah children must unite:
Your life is worth much more than gold.

Were jammin (jammin, jammin, jammin)
And were jammin in the name of the lord;
Were jammin (jammin, jammin, jammin),
Were jammin right straight from yah.

Yeh! holy mount zion;
Holy mount zion:
Jah sitteth in mount zion
And rules all creation.

Yeah, were - were jammin (wotcha-wa),
Wotcha-wa-wa-wa, were jammin (wotcha-wa),
See, I wanna jam it wid you
Were jammin (jammin, jammin, jammin)
Im jammed: I hope youre jammin, too.

Jams about my pride and truth I cannot hide
To keep you satisfied.
True love that now exist is the love I cant resist,
So jam by my side.

Were jammin (jammin, jammin, jammin), yeah-eah-eah!
I wanna jam it wid you.
Were jammin, were jammin, were jammin, were jammin,
Were jammin, were jammin, were jammin, were jammin;
Hope you like jammin, too.
Were jammin, were jammin (jammin),
Were jammin, were jammin (jammin).
I wanna (I wanna jam it wid you) - I wanna -
I wanna jam wid you now.
Jammin, jammin (hope you like jammin too).
Eh-eh! I hope you like jammin, I hope you like jammin,
cause (I wanna jam it wid you). I wanna ... wid you.
I like - I hope you - I hope you like jammin, too.
I wanna jam it;
I wanna jam it.

121 lurking faith  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:23:04am

I think the shredding of library records is foolish, if they are shredded to prevent the feds from finding out who has been checking out Bombmaking 101.

On the other hand, if the library is short on storage space and needs to discard old records, I'd prefer they be shredded just on principle, not just dumped in the trash.

All of which is moot in my case, since my library runs on electronic records. And as far as I know, they don't save checkout histories after an item has been returned. (Let's see... Install memory upgrade, or purchase a bunch of books? As long as the network can limp along, books it is.)

122 lurking faith  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:25:59am

slightly OT -

I recently finished reading "While Europe Slept." (Yeah, I know; my reading list is badly backlogged.)

If you haven't read it, read it.

I am currently badgering Mr. faith to bump it to the on-deck circle in his list.

123 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:30:45am
#95 Pro-Bush Canuck
This seems really, really bad to me.

We need to somehow purge our society of leftists. When they start banning books at libraries it has gone far beyond a difference of opinion.

There's really nothing new here. This is the 'long march through the institutions' of the sixties generation. It happened in education, media, tax-payer funded government institutions, etc.

The socialist "left" are the cultural gatekeepers. In Europe the situation is much worse, although the US is clearly heading in the same direction. Deviating from the party line will get you ostracized or killed in the Netherlands.

I don't know what the solution is. To call for a "purge" is an extremely bad choice of words. That's just the kind of thing they'll latch on to scream 'McCarthy, McCarthy!'. We should demand equal opportunities to get our voices heard and expose use of tax-payers money for political purposes.

124 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:31:21am
125 xgirl  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:36:36am

I just want to point out that they also are not carrying the 9/11 conspiracy best seller by Thierry Meyssan.

It could be that Londonstan (I haven't read the book) is inflammatory.

126 Carl B  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:37:37am

We mustn't offend our muslim brethren, now. However, all other kinds of vile garbage that denigrates and offends you and me is "freedom of speech" and must be protected.

127 Mark1957  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:42:00am

Good thing the BPL reconsidered. I just did a check of their catalog and discovered they carry at least four--count'em--four editions of Mein Kampf:

[Link: catalog.brooklynpubliclibrary.org...]

"Incendiary," huh? In a region that has one of the largest concentrations of Jews on Earth...

128 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:42:12am

Based on the update it appears that the library understands the power of blogs and bloggers. Unlike, say Dan Rather, the "stunned" and "categorically rejecting" AP,et al.

129 Jiving  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:43:15am

I wonder if they have a copy of the Koran, which surely should be banned :
Potentially incendiary- has caused more deaths & horror than any text including Mein Kampf

130 de La Valette  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:45:48am

Incendiary is perhaps the correct term. The books that offends us, the civilized, will result in strongly worded letters of protest and political pressure through budgets and contributions.

Those texts which offend the Islamic community, may result, with their barbaric tendencies, in an incendiary (pyrotechnic) problem for the library.

The comments about a potentially incendiary text should have referenced the fire code and liability insurance.

131 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:47:15am
132 Mark1957  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:50:15am

I just did another check of the BPL catalog, using "Adolf Hitler" as keywords and got 344 hits! Most are books dealing with WW II or the Holocaust but--surprise!--the BPL also has a copy of Hitler's "secret" second book, which has only been published within the last few years.

Yeah, real "incendiary."

133 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:55:02am
I don't know what the solution is. To call for a "purge" is an extremely bad choice of words. That's just the kind of thing they'll latch on to scream 'McCarthy, McCarthy!'

Let 'em scream.

I only wish that in Canada we had the concept that Americans have whereby the Republic is to be defended against "enemies foreign and domestic".

I think it is possible there could be another civil war.

134 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 7:56:19am
The reader whose request to the Brooklyn Library is mentioned above has contacted us at LGF, to let us know that the library has now reconsidered their decision and will carry the book after all

Amazing what happens when the roaches are subjected to light

135 jpkoch  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 8:00:33am

Public Libraries are so 20th century. It is no accident that liberals have for the last 50 years or so flocked to the library sciences in large number, and now pretty much run them all. For the last 3 years I have purchased all of my books online. If I need research info, a subscription to Lexus/Nexus would fill that need.

The last time I did visit a public lib. that failed to even carry 3 of the books I was looking for. I also noticed that there were more people using the library to keep out of the weather than actually looking for a book.

Ten years from now, when no one will actually use the public libraries, those individuals who staked thier entire career on making them insignificant, will cry to the feds to keep the funding alive.

136 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 8:04:53am

The reader whose request to the Brooklyn Library is mentioned above has contacted us at LGF, to let us know that the library has now reconsidered their decision and will carry the book after all

HUZZAH BLOGOSPHERE

137 j-damn  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 8:12:04am
Quite sad and, given the internet, archaic censorship. By contrast, the library system that includes my little town of Stoughton, WI (20 miles from Madison, WI) bought the book as a matter of routine and has it available.

Don't gloat too hard. I used to work for MPL and they are the most useless liberal bunch of pukes you can imagine. Most librarians are, for that matter. They don't realize that the first place to go up in flames in front of the hordes is usually the library. Oh, well.

Perhaps we should tell people in Brooklyn to request an interlibrary loan from Madison, WI

I don't think they'd lend to NYPL because NYPL charges too much to reciprocate.

138 niallster  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 8:15:43am

Londonistan is a seminal work that everyone needs to read.

It very nearly did not get published in UK at all.

All new hardbacks are immediately discounted from RRP in UK and displayed at the front of the shop on the right hand side by the three big chains Waterstones, Ottakers and WH Smith.

All three are selling this book at full price £14.99 and not promoting it, they each have about three copies a store hidden down the back. You have to ask for it.

I bought mine on Amazon for £9.79 and had it delivered to my door.

I have written to Melanie Phillips and suggested subject to whatever contractual arrangements that she has she should publish it as an Ebook downloadable from her website.

The powers that be do not want us to read this book.

139 j-damn  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 8:16:29am
Like the librarian here in Newton, MA who refused to let the FBI access the library's public computers when they were acting on a threat to Brandeis University believed to have been sent from there.

That reminds me, oh Stoughtonite, that at the MPL staff day we spent an hour discussing what to do when (not if) the Feds came in to see peoples pwecious borrowing histories.

I said I'd drop a dime on anyone suspicious if it meant someone's life would be saved. People looked at me like I had two heads.

But this is the same city who had no sense or compassion to close on 9/11, so what do you expect?

They'd also give your full name out to library stalkers, too--because you're a city employee gosh-darnit!--and if you got killed on the way home, hey, not their problem!

140 j-damn  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 8:23:12am

For the last 3 years I have purchased all of my books online. If I need research info, a subscription to Lexus/Nexus would fill that need

First of all, genius--it's LEXIS/NEXIS.
Second of all, if you can afford a subscription to LEXIS/NEXIS, of course you'd never visit a library.
Thirdly, as a librarian, I can tell you right now that a sub to LEXIS/NEXIS definitely would not fill all your research needs.

Run along, now.

141 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 8:30:16am

If left to "liberal" librarians, free speech would die.

142 piglet  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 8:42:19am

Sorry so late to this but:

From the library collection policy:

A. Methods

The Library uses the criteria below in selecting materials for the Brooklyn community based on knowledge of the diverse needs of the entire community and the contents of the; Library's entire collection. No materials are excluded or removed from the Library on the basis of race, nationality, sexual orientation, political, social, or religious beliefs. Materials are judged as entire works, not on isolated passages or sections. Gifts offered to the Library are evaluated using the same criteria. Members of the Library community may suggest books or other materials to be added to the Library's collection.

B. Criteria

All Library selection and acquisitions choices are made in terms of the following standards.

1. Attention of critics, reviewers, media, and the public
2. Suitability of format for library use and content
3. Suitability of subject and style for the intended audience
4. Importance as a document of the times
5. Relation to the Library's existing collection and other material available on subject
6. Authority, reputation, or qualifications of the author, artist, publisher, or producer
7. Organization and ease of use; clarity, accuracy, and logic of presentation
8. Cost and availability
9. Currency of information
10. Inclusion in standard bibliographies, webliographies, or indexes
11. Enhancement of existing Library collection to reflect:

a. Importance of the title when compared with other works
on the subject
b. Importance of the subject matter or point of view to the
collection
c. Adequate retrospective and current subject coverage
d. Adequate coverage when there is a scarcity of material
published on the subject
12. Representation of an important movement, genre, trend, or national culture
13. Artistic presentation and experimentation
14. Contemporary materials representing various points of view, which are of current interest and possible future significance, including materials that reflect current conditions, trends, and controversies

[Link: www.brooklynpubliclibrary.org...]

143 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 9:06:31am

Sounds to me like someone should donate a copy of the book. Banning books is against the policy of the American Library Association - and they have raised a huge stink when parents have tried to get some pretty outrageous stuff banned.

144 Right Side  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 9:37:03am

#15 Goddessoftheclassroom:

Okay, we need to find an academic Lizard to write a critical review of the book ASAP. Once that's in print, there's no excuse.


On Melanie Phillips' own website, there are already several reviews of the book, here and here.

But you'll notice all the reviews are from conservative and/or Red State publications. The liberal MSM has ignored it. And in New York City, when the very liberal New York Times and the ultra-ultra-ultra-liberal New York Review of Books ignore your book, your book is dead meat.

145 monkey61  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 10:24:02am

This reminds me of my local library, during the summer of 2004. They had a program called "Wild Card" where they ordered an extra copy of the newest hardcovers that couldn't be reserved--it was slapped with a Wild Card label and put on a shelf. The label was placed along the spine, which was fine becayse the shelf was big enough so that the book was displayed with the front cover was showing. The only book that didn't follow this scheme was the Swift Boat Veterans book. The Wild Card label was broken in half so as to cover John Kerry's face and the title of the book.

Whenever I was at the library I put that book in the center of the shelf, hoping to draw attention to it...

146 cyberbot7  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 11:40:08am

radical Islam is redundant

my 2¢

147 Missouri Boy  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 2:35:04pm
#146 cyberbot7 8/2/2006 01:40PM PDT
radical Islam is redundant

my 2¢


EXACTLY!

148 NYC Playwright  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 3:08:54pm

My local branch library, in midtown Manhattan, has a lot of books on the middle east and on politics in general, but there's no slant. They cover all bases, left and right. Yesterday I was reading a book by Dershowitz and one by Timerman about Iran's nukes.

Most of the non-profit theater scene here is off the charts LLL, of course. For example there's a cabaret show now running called Bush Is Bad. Last year I was at a reading of a play co-written by my friend, a good guy, and an angry harridan. The play had nothing at all to do with politics. In the Q&A session afterward, the woman said, apropos of nothing, "By the way, I HATE BUSH."

149 Daisy  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 3:39:43pm

How many copies of the koran do you suppose the Brooklyn Library has? Talk about incendiary!

Hard to imagine I'm not repeating someone else's post // if so, sorry .. didn't read every single one (and usually do)

150 mattm  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 4:27:50pm

If it offends a MUslim they won't carry it. If it offends a Christion, they will.

151 mattm  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 4:28:29pm

If it offends a MUslim they won't carry it. If it offends a Christian, they will.

152 Daisy  Wed, Aug 2, 2006 4:57:44pm

#151 mattm " If it offends a MUslim they won't carry it. If it offends a Christian, they will."

That settles it .. they carry the koran!


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