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Details of German Terror Plot Released

Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 9:37:14 am PDT

Earlier this month we noted a report of bombs found on German trains, and today German authorities released more details on what was apparently intended to be an atrocity on the scale of the July 7 bombings in London: German Police Release Bomb Suspect Images, Set Reward.

The German Criminal Police Office on Friday released images taken from a surveillance camera of the two suspects in the attempted bombing of two trains. Police believe the plot was an attempted terror attack.

The German investigators working on the case surrounding the two suitcase bombs found on trains in Koblenz and Dortmund at the end of July released images obtained from surveillance cameras of two suspects in the suspected terror plot.

The authorities announced that there would be a reward of 50,000 ($64,195) euros for any information which would lead to the capture of the two young men in the grainy photos, who were both described as being from “southern countries.”

The Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) revealed that the evidence had led to one suspect being identified, but so far they have no details of his background and activities. They warn that the man could still be at large. The authorities also revealed that they are circulating details within the intelligence community of the second suspect who may have been involved in the plot. “We have very serious concerns about the background of this intended attack,” the security source added.

The BKA believe that Germany was being targeted for terrorist attacks and that  if the explosive devices had been detonated, their size and construction would have created devastation and death on a scale reminiscent of the July 7, 2005 attacks on the London transport system.
 
Both of the suitcases discovered on July 31 contained gas cylinders rigged up to an ignition mechanism and had been left in two regional trains which usually run at the height of the commuter rush hour. The suitcases were discovered by rail staff when the trains terminated at the two hub stations. The construction of the devices and the potential impact the explosions would have had suggests a sophisticated plot.
 
The BKA believes that the planned attack could have been the work of a terrorist organization operating in Germany.

Germany’s Süddeutsche Zeitung reported that a bag found in one of the suitcases came from the Lebanese capital of Beirut, but German officials wouldn’t confirm the story.

UPDATE at 8/18/06 9:58:48 am:

Davids Medienkritik points out that this attack was not foiled by German authorities—they simply got lucky. Suspects Sought in Near Terror Disaster on German Trains.

According to reports circulating throughout the German media today, two suitcase bombs placed by two unidentified men very nearly went off on regional trains in Dortmund and Koblenz at the end of July. A deadly simultaneous bombing was only averted because the bombs were technically defective. Had they detonated, German authorities believe that a mass casualty event similar to the recent attacks in London could have been the result.

Police believe that a terrorist motive is probable, particularly because the suitcases contained Arabic writing and telephone numbers from Lebanon. The men who placed the bombs also strongly appear to be of Middle Eastern origin. German authorities have published further images of clues, the bombs and the suspects and are offering rewards to anyone with key information on their identities and/or origins. The bombings were likely intended to “send a message to the West” over the Israeli-Lebanese conflict.

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1 shug  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:38:38am

Germany out of Iraq now!

2 ctrlL  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:39:50am

Southerners are Terrorists ...

who knew.

/just jokin' Swampy

3 Doug  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:40:06am

southern countries


You mean like Alabama or Florida?

4 nybabz  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:41:01am

Ekk! OT: Thank God for Talk Radio (Right wing) and LGF! The media is as deep as a bird bath with all of the curiousity of a lady of the evening.

5 RepJ  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:42:16am

Algeria? Libya? Egypt?

6 uvgotabkidnme  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:42:35am
The BKA believes that the planned attack could have been the work of a terrorist organization operating in Germany.

ya think?

/

7 gopninja  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:42:35am

Thank god they prevented it, that would have been a massacre

8 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:43:12am

Why even have cameras if that's all the pictures they produce?

9 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:43:55am

German appeasement policies are paying off handsomely, I see.

10 Earth2moonbat  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:44:00am

Holy crap! When they said "gas cylinders", they weren't kidding. Looks like LPG.

11 shug  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:44:15am
Southern countries

I just knew this had to be the work of bigoted Southern white homophobic gun toting NRA Jesus freaks who mistook these trains as abortion clinics...

12 Havoc  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:44:17am

#5 Chicken Kiev

The devices consisted of gas canisters, alarm clocks, wires, batteries and a flammable liquid in soft drink bottles.

A handwritten note in Arabic, listing groceries, a telephone number in Lebanon and packets of starch labelled in Arabic and English, were also found.


Sloppy work, probably due to Israel's and U.S. actively going after "The engineer's" for elimination.

Good bombmaker's are few and far between. It's a self selecting process, the bad bombmaker's ...well you know about work accidents.

The simplicity will be difficult to overcome, particularly when the world of troublemakers from the Umma start to recruit their engineers in Anbar province.

Here's a hearty "go get 'em boys" to the intel ops in Iraq, (the terrorist magnet), the A-10's and F-16's and the 500 lb. JDAMS

Eliminate an "Engineer" a day.

13 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:44:18am

OT but potentially good news:

Demonrats threaten to boot Lieberman from the party

Good. I hope they do. He can either sit as an Independent, or maybe sit with the Republican caucus.

14 Sol Roth  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:44:22am

Texas is a southern country of over 20 million souls. You can bet your sweet ass the collectivist enemies would have spelled it, in capital letters with bolding and such even, like this T-E-X-A-S home of ChimpyMcHalliburtonhitlerstein if the jihadis had even ordered a sandwich here. We can forget any semblance of truth from Al-MSM. Probably forever.

Feh.

15 RJ_in_Reno  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:44:24am

#7
I don't think "they prevented it", I believe the bombs failed to detonate. In other words the Germans got lucky.

16 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:45:51am

OT:
Hezbollah handing out funny money?...
Yahoo pic...

A Lebanese Hezbollah member counts US$ bills to give to residents of a suburb of Beirut who lost their houses during the month-long Israeli offensive on Lebanon, at a school in Bourj el-Barajneh, a southern suburb of Beirut, Lebanon, Friday, Aug. 18, 2006. At a school in south Beirut's Bourj el-Barajneh neighborhood, Hezbollah members began distributing US$12,000 (Euro 9,300) in crisp cash bills Friday to those who lost their homes in the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah guerrillas. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)


Notice those piles of $100 bills look very crisp indeed. Where have I seen stacks of crisp clean $100 bills recently?
Oh, yeah. LGF...

Hizballah Funny Money?


I tracked down the video of this report, and it does show stacks of uncut 100 dollar bills in big sheets, amid the rubble of the Sidon financial district:
17 Havoc  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:46:04am

#13

First Zell Miller, Then Joe Lieberman -- The need to Change the party symbol too, Hammer & sicle

18 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:46:12am

#6 uvgotabkidnme -

Good point - but have the Germans been circumspect about WHICH terrorist group it might be?

Those radical Scientologists might be rising up in rebellion.

19 Broomer  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:47:37am

OT:

Anyone have a way to reach Iranians whose Satellite dish were smashed so that they can't find out about Hez passing out millions of Iranian money?

Are those satellite dishes also broadband Internet or just for TV?

How about text messaging in Farsi on the web and all we need to do is click and send SMS like crazy?

Gotta be a way to really rile the Iranians on the cheap and on the sly.

20 gopninja  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:47:38am

#15 RJ

Dang, I guess i missed the implications... well, either way thank goodness

21 UniversityConservotarian  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:47:52am

Poor Germans, its almost as if they were provoking the terrorists. What provocation? Well, they're Westerners and Christian for the most part. It seems that's enough these days. No one can say that Germany has been "creating terrorists" in Iraq and Afghanistan. When this stuff happened in England, it was bull-dog time. I wonder if the Germans will respond with mmore sensitivity training.

22 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:48:08am

OT, but the Taj Mahal threat- kind of ironic, as it was built as a tomb by a Muslim shah for his favorite wife (who died in labor).

It is elaborately decorated with Arabic calligraphy of Koranic verses.

Silly little sheet-heads.

23 Havoc  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:48:16am

Do these guys look Middle Eastern ? no, Pakistani ? no, Lebanese ? hell no, Turkish? no

A.N.S.W.E.R. types from San Francisco, Hell yes

24 vxbush  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:48:34am

Good job, Kilgore! I had forgotten about that.

25 So?  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:48:52am

OT

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Officials: U.S. blocked missiles to Hezbollah
Updated 8/18/2006 7:56 AM ET

By John Diamond, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The United States blocked an Iranian cargo plane's flight to Syria last month after intelligence analysts concluded it was carrying sophisticated missiles and launchers to resupply Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, two U.S. intelligence officials say.

Eight days after Hezbollah's war with Israel began, U.S. diplomats persuaded Turkey and Iraq to deny the plane permission to cross their territory to Damascus, a transfer point for arms to Hezbollah, the officials said.

---


If the US knew a terrorist state aka IRAN was supplying a terrorist group aka Hizbullah, then why didn't they bring it to the attention of THE WORLD?

26 Broomer  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:49:06am

Umm, maybe never mind. If it's crisp $100 USD, just wait til someone find out all he has are funny money and the bullets fly.

27 shug  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:49:21am

anybody surprised a Confederate flag hasn't been photoshopped onto at least one of their t-shirts?

28 mama winger  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:50:30am

. . . and on a sweeter note:


"Candy Workers Discover a Chocolate Virgin Mary"

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

29 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:51:18am

You really have to dig to find anything about this story in the MSM.

If the bombs don't explode it's not news...If they do, it's Bush's fault.

30 crown_of_feathers  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:51:32am

Let's see, Germany is not in Iraq. Hey, what can be the "root cause" of these normally peace-loving people targeting Germany?

I've got it! They're protesting the fact that Germany did not finish the annihilation of the Jews! Yep, and once that is discovered, we can expect the German Left to try to appease these people by calling for the finishing of the job!

31 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:52:05am

#22 Ed Mahmoud
It's also a mosque as well, as long as their blowing shit up they're happy.

#24 vxbush
Now, if I could only remember where I put my car keys.

32 Havoc  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:52:29am

Killgore Trout

Before the '79 Kohmeini takeover the Shah had bought the same 100 ton presses the U.S. Treasury uses.

N.Korea is squealing because Treasury shut down their Counterfieting of "SuperBills" through Macau Banks.

N.Korea and Tehran cooperate on many things besides missiles and Nuke warheads.

Bunkers in S.Lebanon purportedly designed and assisted by the best tunnelers out there,NORKS.

Connect the dots.

33 ronaldusmagnus  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:53:12am

Southerners, eh?

Probably Baptists.

34 Canadastani  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:53:30am

It is time to profile: I figure if they are from Southern Countries, we should give extra attention to New Zealander grandmothers.

35 6patrick6  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:54:11am

"Southern countries" usually refers to Italy, Greece, Turkey, Spain, and the Balkan nations, when used by the German and British press.

Could mean Texas, too, right? After all, their tourist ads DO state Texas is "like a whole other country!"

36 Merovign  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:54:11am

#16 Killgore Trout

I wish I had links handy, but some years ago Iran had stolen and duplicated American $100 bill "dies." I think that was part of the reason they changed our money and made it fuglier.

i.e. IIRC, this is not even remotely new, and it almost certainly does come from Iran.

I am so sick of that particular thugocracy.

37 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:54:18am

#26 Broomer

Like they care. They probably make sure it comes back to the US to hurt us economically anyways.

38 So?  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:56:15am

So?

39 ElKafir  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:57:01am

Wait a minute! But Germany was against the war! And Herr Chancellor Schroeder criticized Bushitler for the war in Iraq!

German pipl are ze gutt friends mit ze arabs. Und ze German pipl ist nein freunde mit Israel and ze Jewish schweine!

So how come the Islamonazi want to kill Germans all of a sudden?

40 iowahawk  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:58:37am

I question the timing.

41 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:58:47am

Perhaps they were members of the Bader-Meinhoff Gang?

42 spot!  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:59:38am

southern countries

New Zealand and Australia are at it again...

43 Merovign  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 7:59:44am

#30 crown_of_feathers

Germany, Indonesia, Thailand, China, Somalia, Darfur, India, Russia, Philipines, Nigeria...

Now that I think about it, Israel isn't in Iraq either. Why oh why would they be a target?

/SARC

44 amyc  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:01:32am

Damned Australians at it again I see.

45 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:03:32am

#39 ElKafir

So how come the Islamonazi want to kill Germans all of a sudden?

Because they know that the Germans won't fight back. When attacked by ME terrorits, the German response is to try to "understand them better".

Whether it is Olympians being murdered in Bavaria, airports being sprayed with machine gun fire, or discos being bombed, the response has been the same.

46 Havoc  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:05:26am

Itellu3times

either budget cuts so those quality German optic upgrades didn't get installed

or

They aren't releasing the high resolution images. Which means these guys were just mules and they're are trying to collect enough to get to their handlers and engineers.

Chances are the Germans intel. released these just to get the press off their backs and placate the politicians with puffed out chests.

Truth be known ... the Germans and the Brits are vacuuming the internet with "Carnivore type Programs" in violation of their own privacy laws, and the polticos know it, and have agreed to look the other way.

Once the perps get idetnified, they let them continue to work to ID the rest of the organization.

It's risky but has long term payoff if they can get to the planners, paymasters, engineers and recruiters.

Still takes money and engineers.

47 Geepers  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:05:28am

ronaldusmagnus,

I had a package for you that the post office wouldn't take because it was in a reused Express Mail envelope that wasn't going Express Mail.

I was pissed. I said "you must not want my business."

I'll ship it UPS direct.

48 Wisenheimer  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:06:55am
Police believe the plot was an attempted terror attack.

No shit, Sherlock.

49 javems  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:06:55am
The bombings were likely intended to “send a message to the West”


And the message is ___! (fill in the blank)

50 freya4freedom  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:07:09am

Foreign policy!

sarc

51 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:09:47am
Police believe that a terrorist motive is probable

What?

52 Beagle  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:11:01am

FTR, southern states have nothing to do with this particular indigenous militant political movement against airplanes.

Cotton isn't king. We really screwed the pooch on that one. Nope, not us.

But The Gators do rule college basketball.

53 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:11:27am

I wonder what connection there is between the bottles of liquid in that photograph and the current ban on them.

54 Gruen  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:11:36am

Hi folks

55 uvgotabkidnme  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:12:44am

#18 karmic_inquisitor

Those radical Scientologists might be rising up in rebellion.

Personally, it's those roving polka bands that worry me...

56 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:13:36am

Just continuing with their spotless record.

57 SaneInMN  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:14:42am

25...

Because that would further incriminate Iran, and might make them stomp up and down and not except the US/EU peace offer...even though Iran already said they will not except our peace offer.

58 Gruen  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:15:08am

OK, OT

A bit of Friday fun!

I have a funny clip of the Yankees with Dennis Leary commentating. There's a jewish first baseman and Dennis lets Mel Gibson have it!

This is hilarious!

www.thatvideosite.com...] target="_blank">

59 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:15:33am

.

from “southern countries.”

Yup. The Penguins' Liberation Front.

They are bloodthirsty (esp. if you are a sardine).

60 Gruen  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:16:01am

oops!

Here's the link

www.thatvideosite.com...] target="_blank">

61 Gruen  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:16:26am
62 mattm  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:17:21am

#10

It would be interesting to find out if they tryed to carry the LP cylinder on the train in a bag, while full. A full 20lb (gas-grill size) cylinder weighs about 50 lbs when full.

63 observer  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:19:10am

One of the suitcases had a shopping list written in Arabic.
Photo in DER SPIEGEL story.

64 TMF  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:21:32am

DAMN! How many Jews does a country have to kill to get immunity from jihadis?

You'd think Germany would have a permanent "free pass" by now!

65 armymarinemom  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:30:49am

I am wondering how long those rode on the trains before they were discovered. A lot of Americans use the rail system especially during the weekends.

66 geoffg  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:33:56am

Shug,

And we'da probably had abortions, without the clinics.

67 Havoc  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:35:28am

The Old camper Bar-B-Q bomb, favorite of Islamists the world over.

They did, "Just get lucky".

Probably perps with timer/detonater downloads off the net OR recent trainees just back from Pakistan.

This wouldn't have happened to an experienced "engineer" in the bomb craft.

The strategy of going after the engineers world over is paying off.

Kill those guys, faster please.

68 Mr Kufr  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:38:19am

They lucked out this time, but their coo-coo clock is still ticking. Even if a Mumbai sized bombing happened there, the german response would probably be the same as India's, shut down some blogs.

/That would show the jihadi's they mean business/

69 Havoc  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:40:21am

#65 Armymarinemom

Chances are

1) the bags were looked into "At the end of the line" when conspicuously left on Board.

or

2) when they crossed an international border and the security couldn't match the bags to a passenger.

They don't screw around, on the German/Austrian borders, when they check passports on trains at the Borders it's with guys with K&H assault rifles, ready position

70 nuke gingrich  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:41:11am

More cartoon controversy

Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, the grand sheik of Al-Azhar, one of the most powerful Islamic institutions in the Sunni Muslim world, said that Muslims still haven't forgotten the cartoons, which triggered a global firestorm earlier this year, Danish daily Berlingske Tidende reported.

link

71 Buck  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:41:16am

#16 Killgore Trout

They were not uncut sheets, they were photocopies of bills showing the serial numbers.

Often when doing overseas transactions with cash, you might keep track of exactly what bills you are sending.

In the world of electronic transactions it might seem weird, but it happens every day.

72 Seattle Rep  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:42:27am

Those pix of the bomb suspectes with backpacks although fuzzy, looks like its Colin Farrell and K-Fed.

Deutschland im der Haus!

73 humanity  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:44:56am

#22 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades 8/18/2006 09:48AM PDT


OT, but the Taj Mahal threat- kind of ironic, as it was built as a tomb by a Muslim shah for his favorite wife (who died in labor).

It is elaborately decorated with Arabic calligraphy of Koranic verses.

Silly little sheet-heads.

a theory also says... that taj Mahal was not built by muslims... but was converted into a mosque (in right of Taj main campus ) by muslim ruler...

check here..
[Link: www.stephen-knapp.com...]

74 armymarinemom  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:52:45am

#69. My son was shocked that anyone got away with bringing something like this onboard. News about this was available on US internet sources before it was covered very much in Germany.

75 humanity  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:54:39am

#68 Mr Kufr

They lucked out this time, but their coo-coo clock is still ticking. Even if a Mumbai sized bombing happened there, the german response would probably be the same as India's, shut down some blogs.

/That would show the jihadi's they mean business/

damn... is there a brave country... where i can try to live..

76 BH  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:55:19am

The bombings were likely intended to “send a message to the West” over the Israeli-Lebanese conflict.

The jihadis have them well-trained. They don't even need a reason to bomb sh*t anymore - their victims will fill in the blanks voluntarily.

77 madmama  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 8:59:38am

As someone who knows many Germans personally (I work for a German textile mill) and for a very long time (my husband is from Germany who has since recently become an American citizen)...there are MANY Germans who feel EXACTLY the same way we do!
As you are quite aware, sometimes you are beholden to what your government's decisions are...without many options about what to do otherwise.
Believe me...Germans are not stupid..on the contrary...most Germans know more about American history, geography, and politics that many Americans. Just watch the Jay Leno show sometime.
I can't even find an American woman in my neighbor who I can talk to...they are too busy worrying about their fingernails or their diet.

78 Buck  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 9:02:36am
The bombings were likely intended to “send a message to the West” over the Israeli-Lebanese conflict.

The operation would have been planned long before the current Israeli-Lebanese conflict. Every indication is that these sort of operations are planned years in advance. Can't blame German troops in Iraq either, because there are none. The occupation of Palestine? Nope. The banning of scarves? Wrong euro-weenie.

hmmm, that leaves the only remaining possiblity... the Mossad did this to bring Germany into the war.

Yep... that solves that one.

/just making fun of the conspiracy folk

79 geoffg  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 9:03:13am

Geepers,

I went through the same hassle with the USPS. I was also consulting for them, at the time.

Turns out, the ExpressMail packaging has a distinct look, which is designed to enable sight-ID to speed manual sorting; packages being the most costly to sort and move.

Before this rule was enforced, shipping packages with ExpressMail packaging had resulted in HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of packages per year, getting ExpressMail treatment, without the revenue.

RE:Package movement - think of it like this.

Fedx moves N packages per 2 years.
UPS moves N per 2 months.
USPS moves N per day.

80 Buck  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 9:03:55am

#22 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Pretty sure it was a Hindu ruler for his favorite Muslim wife.


Been there... it really is fantastic.

81 humanity  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 9:05:39am

#77 madmama..

you are right... i am in germany... and i feel the same... but i think its german past, which force them not to do anything...

or better say, they are afraid... or they have some Guilt feeling..

don't know what should i say, but in some sense... when i am willing to speak.. i speak "idiots"... sorry..., but a Question always comes in my mind...

if they feel guilt, why they accept it to happen again... especially when all know link between Nazis and Islam

82 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 9:05:58am
83 Tweety  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 9:08:10am
A deadly simultaneous bombing was only averted because the bombs were technically defective.

Strikes me that that's not the sort of info that should be published. Why not let the terrorists think rather that the bombs had been deactivated? Now that they know they were defective they'll work on improving them next time round.

84 armymarinemom  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 9:08:55am

#77. What a lot of us do not get to hear is the number of German troops who actually salute our troops who are wearing an OIF patch even when they were given orders not to. Germany's military members have been very supportive of our troops.

85 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 9:09:22am

Way to get those suspect photos out in a hurry. It's been about three weeks since they found the stuff.

86 Geepers  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 9:22:41am

geoffg (#79),

It doesn't say "Don't reuse" or "For Express Mail Use ONLY".

So, say, "Please only use this for Express Mail in the future" while she tapes an "X" on it and takes my money.

87 madmama  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 9:24:40am

Hi Humanity,
Where are you living in Germany? And I guess you're not German or American?
You are correct in what you are saying about German guilt..that really does have a lot to do with it.
But I just see from my German friends, that they are ready to throw off that stigma...and are not about to be subjected to Islamofascism...If that means that they will be labeled Nazis, then so be it.
They are getting tired of being dragged down by this and realize that political correctness, thrust upon them by their own government,is only going to get them killed.
At least the people I know in Germany would put up a hell of a fight to hold on to liberty.

88 FQ Kafir  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 9:45:24am

Does anyone know the "go date" for this attack?
I am compiling a list of thwarted attacks. Any help would be graetly appreciated.

89 geoffg  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 9:46:02am

Geepers,

That's exactly what she did for me. Taped over all the USPS markings, and asked me to refrain in the future.

Of course, had you known aforehand, you could have used tape to disguise your package sufficiently.

With hundreds of thousands of postal workers, involved in the most meanial of jobs, you're bound to meet all kinds.

Remember, before jihad, we had POSTAL.

90 geoffg  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 9:51:39am

Madmama,

Being of German descent, I resent the behavior of today's Germany.

If they wish to throw off the mantle of Nazism, they need to unite for a noble cause.

How's about they force their gov't to send 50,000 combat-ready troops to help the Israelis defeat the Islamofascists?

How about they do something tryly noble to lose their guilt and repay that debt?

91 humanity  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 10:47:52am

#87 madmama
and
#90 geoffg

your idea is really great... anyways i am just thinking... outside west, Germany is still associated with Nazi's...

and this time if GErman Army goes to Lebanon, and completes the mission of disarming Hezbulla... this will not only remove the melt the ice between israel and Germany... but somewhere will also clean german nazi tag!

Oh, by the way.. the fear NAZIS are comming, will also effect islamic fighters a lot... as they think germany is still the same...

Madmama... i m from BAWÜ... nearly at swiss-france Border ... a bit above basel...

92 crabtree  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 11:14:15am

"Police believe that a terrorist motive is probable, particularly because the suitcases contained Arabic writing and telephone numbers from Lebanon."

Boy, nothing gets past those German cops!

93 Ol' Southern Boy  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 11:53:11am

This also reflects a critical weakness of all those surveillance cameras that are metastisizing all over Europe. All they capture are grainy images.

94 madmama  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 12:22:01pm

#90..the Germans have the same situation going on over there as here...more than half of the country are "left wingers" and the rest have to deal with them. You can see the problems we have in this country trying to deal with the "other side".
Believe me, the Germans I know would gladly fight alongside the U.S.
They are not ALL wimps.
You can't lump everyone in the same pile.
I have my gripes with them myself sometimes and have been in quite a few arguments with Germans over this topic (my husband has almost been in fist fights with fellow Germans as he defended America. He loves this country as much as I do)
Hey Humanity...my husband is from Ravensburg...not too far from you.

95 miguelj  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 1:06:06pm

Southern Countries? Would that be...the Confederate States of America?
Lookin' hard for that bonny blue flag...

96 msdixie  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 3:30:29pm

Madmama, I'm so glad to hear that there are Germans who understand and are not willing to give up western civilization. Germany has given us many wonderous things in the arts and the sciences, philosophy and religion. That they strayed into evil should be a lesson in humility, not in guilt. I like the idea of the Germans helping the Jews fight Hezbollah. But would it work? Would the Germans have the heart to actually do it and mean it too?

There are many around the globe who feel as we do. Now is the time for the heroes to emerge. Maybe the Germans can be the heroes this time.

97 madmama  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 6:28:11pm

#96 msdixie
I feel like I have to defend Germany/Germans here since I have such a deep connection to them (everything was co-incidental as to how I ended up with this connection cause I never sought it out.
And in defence, I have to say that in all the time I've spent there (I lived for a few years) and in the years since traveling there and knowing people, I've never, ever heard an anti-semetic remark or comment. And it is not because people were being politically correct or that they were really hiding their true feelings.
They are always VERY serious when that topic is brought up and bad mouthing Jews in just not acceptable.
The problem over there now is that their media is just terrible. If you think ours is biased and bad, you should see the news there (and in Europe in general).
They really don't see two sides...I can vouch for that because I've had two sets of three young Germans stay with us and they said it's true...after watching our news for a month.
They are in a sense, being brainwashed again by their media.
In the end, the Germans do know what is right and what is wrong. They learned that the hard way...
I think the alliance with Germany will stand the test of time...when sides have to be chosen, they will stand with the U.S.
That's my opinion anyway.

98 humanity  Fri, Aug 18, 2006 11:54:03pm

#96 msdixie
#97 madmama

for me the wrold came upside down.. when i realise that in india... what ever i have been told was half truth.. and more lie...
anyways what ever image germans have in outside world, they alone can't break it... its like the same policy...
"Jews control the US policy"... now even when jewish lobby try to clean this ... they can't.
this has something to do with human thinking... crocodile tears from Islamic actor's shoot and directed by reuters, AFP and BBC have already made a dramatic effect ...

Think in this way... Muslims suffer in india due to hindus...
Muslims suffer in Russia due to Russians...
Muslims suffer in Europe due to Europeans..
Muslims in thailand suffers due to Budhist...
and Muslims suffer all over world due to American Policies, which are controlled by jewish state...
And most special thing is, its not muslims its us who are facing terrorism...
we need mutual work, to share our pains and to understand each other...

so how you gonna defend yourself... if you speak anything, world will say..."Shameful". Oh by the way, world will say "Shameful" if you Speak of yourself...

west can't speak due to sharp wording of Ahmedinijad that "it was west who played Holocaust".. and west feel like attacked.. not from outside but from inside... now if you try.. they will be bounded with their own gilt.. at this time how you gonna proceed

so How you are going to defend yourself... its not a fight on Army level.. its also a fight on personal level... we don't have to kill others... but we have to promote the word of truth...

Lets join hands, hindus defend christians, christians defend jews, jews defend hindus... thats the only way...

its amazing that Hinduism, christanity, judaism and all other religion i know give more repect to "TRUTH" then to themself... as they all understand that TRUTH is the basic of humanity... except ISLAM

so where no one want to see, how minorities are treated in islamic world and what really islam is... lets join hands on global level..let them see this... a work on global level

what you see, play a very dramatic effect.. check "stockholm syndrome"... you will get a answer, where we are lacking.. and what i am speaking about..

madmama, its near by... but i need to travel with train, so its 2 hrs or so... i m in Freiburg... really a great place..

i have some comments here... might you want to see..
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Perhaps we can learn from fall of hindu culture...that this thing don't happen now again in free world... remember, india is 1st and oldest democracy... and i said a fall... becuz a lot of people have loosed somewhere the moral value on name of integration...

99 madmama  Sat, Aug 19, 2006 11:45:13am

Hi Humanity,

I know Freiburg...it's very nice and yes, not too far from Ravensburg.
I take it that you are from India?
I just had this conversation with my very liberal friend last night (actually I'm amazed that we are still friends..we just don't talk about politics until last night that is)...
There is that saying, that goes something like this: "Evil will flourish when good men do nothing"!
That about says it all.
The only way we can succeed is if the entire world snaps out of it, wakes up, unites (this includes Muslims who DO want peace)and joins together to ostracize the "evil doers".
Militarily I don't think it's possible to "kill all the Islamofascists"...not going to happen.

100 humanity  Sat, Aug 19, 2006 12:31:45pm

Perhaps this is also my point...
but how... the global media seems to be baised...
do should we all step up..


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