Yawn.

I call for their deaths. So there.

You know, because these Islamists are tolerant and peace loving.
& like Dinnerjacket says:

"Everybody can love one another."

Religion of misunderstanders.

It's because of the Jews.
(has to be said sooner or later...)

When will we stand up and defend ourselves? When will Islam be finally recognized as a totalitarian ideology bent on conquest?

Video camera no doubt funded by British taxpayers and the british welfare state

In the UK : Jihad is the tax-payer funded Hump of Islam

1, JWF... you tell 'em. they are afraid, very afraid.

[Link: www.attackcartoons.com...]

i have an arabic english dictionary. couldn't find the word "irony".

What nice people.

Touch the Pope and we take out your religious leader.

What, decentralized you say? Better get them all then.

"Jesus is the messenger of islam"?

Riiiiight.

They'd better hope that Jesus doesn't come back soon, 'cause it won't be pretty. For them, that is.

Muslim extremists

Redundant

I expect courageous statements of support from the Anglican leadership.

Thanks, Religion of Seething (RoS).

I'm beginning to perceive some cracks in the dam. Next, there will be leaks, then undermining, and then it will break entirely. It'll be ugly, but I think the "good guys" still have a chance of winning.

Faster, please.

#4 Golem Akbar
You are so very wrong. Its because of Halliburtion.

Fortunately the death penalty is outlawed in Britain so the pope has nothing to worry about.

I think their brains stopped evolving just above the brain stem.

There's a short video at Hotair that pretty much sums up the RoP. - TiminNC

#5 NamesAGame

After a few jihadi nukes go off, people might start to get the message. Or maybe not.

OT - Four Canadian soldiers dead today to a suicide bomber on a bike. They were giving candy to children and interacting with the locals. Many of the locals were killed and injured, including children.

Damn.

If the fellow who led this demonstration is not arrested and indicted for incitement to murder, England has lost the war.

This must go for all other "leaders" who call for incitement to murder in groups, as well.

The early response I read from Scotland Yard, that the demonstration was "peaceful," is distressing.

I wonder what would happen if I gathered some friends and went the local mosque and demanded they give over the imam to be hanged from a tree until dead?

These Islamofascists have a bit of a mob mentality thing going, don't you think?

Maybe if they got a job and stopped seething for five minutes, the world would be better off. But I doubt it.

Islamic supremacists are getting a lot of press these days.

I bet their dhimmi press corpse is working frantically on a "Western military brutality" story to staunch the bleeding.

Amazing Photo Watch: Soldiers from Battery B, 3rd Battalion, 320th Field Artillery Regiment, 101st Airborne Division, pause at the end of a patrol near Wynot, Iraq.

Wonder how the plans are shaping up for the Pope's visit to Turkey?

#17 geepers

Unless he rides a bus or subway, of course. But what are the odds of things exploding in England, really?

Jesus is the messenger of islam?

Wow, I'm doubly glad I'm a Jew, then...

:-)

So what's next, Buddha is the messenger of Krishna? David Koresh is the messenger of Lao Tzu?

Wait a sec...

I thought Big Mo' was the messenger of islam... and anyone who says otherwise shall be beheaded...

I hereby call for a fatwa on the guy holding that sign! Infidel! Kufar!

#16 Black George Bush

Its because of Halliburtion.

Let's ask Michael Moore. He knows for sure.

Jesus is the messenger of Islam

Are you accusing Jesus of being a murderor and pedophile? Cause now the gloves are off. We should burn down your goat stands.

What the hell does this mean.

The trouble with moslem culture is islam. It's that simple.

If you stood in London with a sign that said Homosexuality is a Sin you would likely be arrested.

If you stood in front of a Mosque in Britain with a dead pig, you would likely be arrested.

If you call for the Death of tony Blair, or the Pope in London apparently nothing happens to you.

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What a conundrum will there be in the UK after the Brits lose control and under Sharia law homosexuality becomes a crime punished by death.

oops. too late then

Night falls over Europe

funny, i never heard the name allah in Catholic school.

seems the War is comming faster that i had thought.

Some Canadian soldiers were handing out candies and other goodies to some kids in Afghanistan--trying to win hearts and minds for our side, and all that. They were "rewarded" for their efforts by a suicide bomber, who killed four of them: [Link: www.forbes.com...]

But achamadinejad told me that "death to the pope" just means that they hate bullying tactics.

"Jesus is the messenger of islam"?

Huh...? Did I miss something somewhere?

I call on all Muslims to submit. To psychotherapy.

Sorry, Muslim friends:

I want to be able to live in peace with you.

Unfortunately, as this conflict rages on and your violent brethren increase in number, I can't help but grow increasingly comfortable with a vaporized Middle East.

IMAGINE WORLD PEACE

Here's an op-ed in The Guardian, explaining why this is all Pope B16's fault. In essence, his apology didn't kiss Islamic @ss smoochily enough.

That's his opinion; he probably doesn't welcome yours.

Let me see if I have this straight

Jihad is the Hump if Islam

Jesus is the messenger if Islam

So is Jesus a hump, or does jesus have a hump?

/confused

#26 J.D.

Wonder how the plans are shaping up for the Pope's visit to Turkey?

Whose plans? The Holy Father's, or the jihadis'?

You know, every time crap like this happens, I think, "Well, this is good. The Islamists are over-playing their hand, and the rest of the world finally sit up and take note."

Then, it all blows over and we're all singing Kumbaya, Islam is the Religion of Peace, yada, yada, yada...

Britain does have laws on the books against this kind of behavior.

What are the odds that the laws will be enforced in this instance?

Perhaps if any of them actually are arrested and tried, Cherie Blair will be defense attorney.

#25 Black George Bush

Way cool picture!

God bless our troops!

They are calling for the Popes death for Mohammad and Islam...Not a handful of terrorist...Islam is not Peace...it is not Noble...It is War....and It looks like they have openly declared War on the west....Please take note Sean Hannity...and make no more lies for Islam...Stand up for your Pope Sean....NOT MOHAMMAD!

Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits. -(Matthew 7:15-20)

#41 SI

The Pontifada

But that is what the Pope will do -kiss ass. I expect a clearer, more thorough apology any day now. In mere weeks we are going to see the Pope of the Catholic Church slumming in Turkey - begging forgiveness and understanding. What worse image for the west - an impotent Pope in [bigoted word]-land. Depressing. Not sure anyone has made the connection - but a buddy of mine (Gurman) came up with a quaint neologism regarding the death threats against the pope - "The Pontifada" - works for me

Oh, I want one of these.

Y'know, it's really the anti-Muslim media's fault that this Islamophobic 14th-century Byzantine emperor misunderstood Islam with his ignorant comments about Muhammad 700 years ago. Emperor Manuel II Paleologos simply watched too much FOX news!

Al-Qaida operatives in Iraq threatened on Monday to "destroy the cross and to slash the throats of those who believe in the cross."

The group cautioned Pope Benedict XVI, who sparked anger among Muslims worldwide after making remarks last week about Islam, that they would continue fighting their holy war against the rest of the world's non-believers.

The Mujahedeen Shura Council, an umbrella organization of Sunni Arab extremist groups that includes al-Qaida in Iraq, issued a statement on their Islamic website, warning the pope of their agenda to take over Rome.

We still need to put up 5 mile high Crosses at the North and South Poles.
These stupid f#ckers would try to blow them up, and Freeze to death.

/Get away from that cliff, here come the lemmings.

John 8:43 (Jesus speaking)You are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do he aws a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because the truth is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Any of his description sound familiar?

I'm beginning to perceive some cracks in the dam. Next, there will be leaks, then undermining, and then it will break entirely. It'll be ugly, but I think the "good guys" still have a chance of winning.

Exactly. I will again repeat my impression during the cartoon Jihad: Muslims made a fundamental strategic error with their aggressive stance at that point. For once, there was no way Eurabia's countless spin doctors could pin this on US or Israeli foreign policy. Millions of people woke up to the full scale of the Islamic threat because of those rather innocent cartoons published in tiny Denmark. And they may have triggered a chain of events and escalation, including these comments from the Pope, that will create a full-scale war while we still have a chance of winning this.

Muslims made a huge mistake, which stems from an inherent flaw in their world view: Excessive aggression and arrogance. As a result, Western civilization, probably even most of Europe, will be saved.

But it's going to cost....

For those that were here yesterday for the dust-up with Affinity. From the LA Times Opinion page. A Liberal begins to worry about BDS and wonders if Liberalism has been taken over by the delusional.

"At its most extreme, liberal denial has found expression in a growing subculture of conspiracy theorists who believe that the atrocities of 9/11 were orchestrated by our own government. A nationwide poll conducted by the Scripps Survey Research Center at Ohio University found that more than a third of Americans suspect that the federal government "assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East;" 16% believe that the twin towers collapsed not because fully-fueled passenger jets smashed into them but because agents of the Bush administration had secretly rigged them to explode.
Such an astonishing eruption of masochistic unreason could well mark the decline of liberalism, if not the decline of Western civilization. There are books, films and conferences organized around this phantasmagoria, and they offer an unusually clear view of the debilitating dogma that lurks at the heart of liberalism: Western power is utterly malevolent, while the powerless people of the Earth can be counted on to embrace reason and tolerance, if only given sufficient economic opportunities."

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Nothing like proving the fallicy of a "sterotype" byu some good old sterotypical behaviour.

"The pope says we're violent. OFF WITH IS HEAD!"

But it isn't the jihadi's fault - Bu$hitler McHalliburton pushed them into being radical islamic monkeys.

"Jesus is the messenger of Islam."

If Christians were nutcases and borderline nutcases like all too many Muslims, that statement is as offensive to Christians as practically anything that could be said about Islam, or their prophet.

But Muslims routinely refer to Jesus as a mere honored prophet of Islam, a far cry from what Christians believe Jesus to be. Imagine what the world would be like if Christians were as volatile to every criticism of any sort as are Muslims.

Absolutely disgusting. I have been browsing Al Jazeera's Arabic site and found this very nice little racist rant.

[Link: google.com...]

Click and note the picture here

[Link: www.aljazeera.net...]

We go out that both Zionism and Nazism are the expression of this modernity. Zionism movement colonial settlement escape used a series of myths to recruit Jewish masses.

The Zionist ideology procedures primarily, The activity that denied Arab history in Palestine, A key element of the fixed components of the Palestinian reality, Vaktsht happening Palestine and became mere ground.

But despite these advantages, we find it absolutely geared towards the Palestinians and as such,'s sense about Palestine and the Palestinian homeland. order must not be ignored.

The Jewish feeling about the same place, even if the Jewish citizens in the United States. It must be respected because it serves Western interests is the essence of the Zionist project, that is the absolute advantage extends to swallow Arabs but did not include the Zionists, in any case, Besides there is also an absolute relative absolute racism stemming from the vision Darwinism!

And Nordo after reassure Herzl knew that there was other action to be taken, he suggested the formation of a Jewish army of 100 thousand Jews to invade the Promised Land.

Waizman and also develop plans minute, or taken "necessary measures" to expel the Arabs and "cleanse" Palestine of its population, he said.

This, then, is part of supplementing the absolute advantage that one of the parties using separate action on the value that it creates "a reality or new facts" - in the words of Moshe Dayan - that things are resolved in the end is the explicit violence and force, In this return to the pagan origins of morality happening, and the return of Machiavelli, who turn to a dismal in every Zionist literature.

When I was in the United States I was told the audience of Jews and non-Jews, that logic, which denies the relative values and human nature and history. not only decay of the happening and separate action on the value, necessarily lead to the concentration camps and gas chambers.

The state has offered the Nazi vision of the legendary German history, and this vision is similar in some respects Zionist myth.

But we do not have the right to wonder about the sincerity or otherwise of such legend nor the extent of the humanitarian cost.

Pragmatism is not happening ethics governing becoming anything outside, but stems from the status quo, Proceeding from this de facto Far from all illusions and moral burdens Nazi started in the construction of its strong, The furnace gas.

It is known that the gas furnace was constructed in the beginning is for the Jews but for the disabled and visually brains and other stateless people feasibility and stateless interest who was known to the term "hungry erosion produce, Useless eaters ".

And what happened in the Nazi hell, not much different from the Zionist paradise, which does not derive its legitimacy from any moral values, but of becoming as such, none of the policy of fait accompli and the barrel of a gun.

That civilization is the civilization Nazi secularism only right because they were stripped of sainthood everything, The court sentenced the reality in material terms liberal value, did not exempt one from the guillotine scientific procedural cold, not old people, children, even the wounded soldiers.

What a neutral scientific deserve admiration and appreciation. just as impressive West Zionist state based becoming to the guillotine scientific efficient manufactured in the United States

#22 antisocial_ist

If the fellow who led this demonstration is not arrested and indicted for incitement to murder, England has lost the war.

Are you in England? The guy POS who led the demonstration was Anjem Choudhary. You know who he is. So do the police. Think they'll do something about it?

#25 BGB

Awesome Pic!

Jesus has nothing to do with Islam, and vice versa.

If there is any truth in Jesus's words, then the Koran is utterly false.

Mohammed said: If a man does x, you must kill him.

Jesus said: Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
And: Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, you do unto me.

test

The Cold War had its Iron Curtain. The current war has its Koran Curtain.

On which side of that curtain is Europe?

#45 flipflop

I share your thoughts 100% on this issue.

Ah, why not? Sir Winston Churchill, 1899
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy - which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog - there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome .”

(The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

Sir Winston Churchill

Um, Religion of...um...Peace?

What bugs me the most is that the Pope Formerly Known as Ratzinger (I still can't buy into that "changing your name" routine), the man in CHARGE of what used to be the Inquisition--in CHARGE, before his elevation, of maintaining theological correctness, right?--has backpedaled.

Apologized to the heathen (from where HE sits)!

No no no no no...

/I'm having Trent Lott flashbacks...

/see next for how I would have phrased the apology if I'd been put to it

I'm not Catholic and I'm not even a religious Christian, but the Pope was right in what he said and he shouldn't be apologizing. How can anyone in the world have any respect for Islam when its leaders and adherents react like apes to even the slightest criticism? When do we stop trying to appease this mob of uncivilized, hate-filled, ignorant animals? When do we tell them that if they don't want to adjust their intolerant thinking and attitude and assimilate themselves peacefully into modern tolerant society, then we'll stop allowing immigration from Muslim coutries, shut down mosques which preach hatred, and start deporting or jailing those who advocate or incite violence?

When do we stop giving them the PC/multicultural pass? When do we expect the same level of tolerance and responsibility from them that we expect from every other religion and ethnic group?

"Jesus is the messenger of Islam."

That statement is about as offensive to Christians as anything that could be said about Mohammed, and a far cry from what Christians believe Jesus to be. But Muslims blab this and similar statements about Jesus routinely.

Imagine what the world would be like if Christians, or any other group, reacted like nutcases after every remark contrary to their specific religious beliefs.

Of course, Christians don't believe they'd be justified in committing murder for "defamation of Jesus" or "Bible desecration".

But few in our dhimmi media point these facts out, and act as if Muslims are justified in their demands for endless apologies.

Um, Religion of...um...Peace?

What bugs me the most is that the Pope Formerly Known as Ratzinger (I still can't buy into that "changing your name" routine), the man in CHARGE of what used to be the Inquisition--in CHARGE, before his elevation, of maintaining theological correctness, right?--has backpedaled.

Apologized to the heathen (from where HE sits)!

No no no no no...

/I'm having Trent Lott flashbacks...

/see next for how I would have phrased the apology if I'd been put to it

#56 pat

Such an astonishing eruption of masochistic unreason could well mark the decline of liberalism, if not the decline of Western civilization.

As if liberalism is some sort of anchor for Western Civ? Bwahhaaa...

There are books, films and conferences organized around this phantasmagoria

and also Big Foot (the ape thing, not the truck)

#4 Golem Akbar: You were joking about the Jews but there's this from Jihad Watch: Iranian press blames Jews for Pope's remarks.

You know the world is in deep doo-doo when the real news is much more bizarre than The Onion.

But about the Jews and all this: One good thing to come out this is to see Moslem venon towards Christians, so they might start to understand it's not just about the Jews.

Seymore Paine
I don't want to make trouble. All I want is a drink.

Were they even outside a Catholic church?

[Link: www.thisislondon.co.uk...]
Use the link above to vote in the "This is London" poll on whether or not the Pope should have apologized!

Currently running 36-64 AGAINST apologizing! Maybe this is a wake-up call?

#55 Like SciFi hostile alien race the Kzin , they may make the same chronic mistake and always attack to early before they have fully prepared .

Here's a nice box of Fudge 'Ems.

#77 Albemarle

#55 Like SciFi hostile alien race the Kzin , they may make the same chronic mistake and always attack to early before they have fully prepared .

I think this is all too much like "Mars Attacks"... Ack, ack, ack. We come in peace... BOOM!

Need some Slim Whitman music pronto!

Fearless Minky. Um, aside from the swipes at Catholicism, which are unbecomming (and I left the Catholic Church myself)....

I haven't seen a total apology from the Pope, unless something new came out today. He said he was sorry for the muslims' response to what he said, which was intended as an invitation to engage in genuine interfaith dialog based on logos, or reason.

That's quite different from an apology. For those with eyes to see and ears to hear, the muslim response to such an invitation should be quite revealing.

If

"Jesus is the messenger of Islam."

bothers you how about Jesus is the Slave of allah.
I'm not particulary religious but that punks me out.

On which side of that curtain is Europe?

The European Union as an organization is an enemy.

I'm just now writing on what will probably be the longest and most ambitious post I've written to date. It will become at least 12.000 words, possibly closer to 15.000 words.

However, since the post is so long, I will probably break it down into at least three, maybe four of five, different essays. I was thinking of publishing each of these parts at Jihad Watch first, and then repost the entire essay in full at the Gates of Vienna.

I will call this essay, which is so long that it is actually a booklet, The Eurabia Code. I will test whether I can find any evidence of whether the thesis Bat Ye'or put forward in her book "Eurabia" is accurate. I think there is enough evidence to indicate that it is, and that this should lead to nothing short of the destruction of the European Union.

#77 Albemarle

Like SciFi hostile alien race the Kzin , they may make the same chronic mistake and always attack to early before they have fully prepared .

Unfortunately, we don't have Puppeteers to breed docile Kzinti.

Jesus is the messenger of Islam

Only if you mean He warned us about evil.

Yeah, and those are the MODERATE Muslims! (See moderate muslims really DO exist -- everybody just thought that meant something different than the BARBARIANS think!) You should see the really "RADICAL Muslims! Oh, wait, there's not a dime's worth of difference between the two; never mind...

I can certainly see why these nice people should be afforded all the protections of the Geneva Convention. THEY certainly adhere to all of its principles.

Do you suppose that Imam in London could be extended a special invitation to speak to the UN General Assembly? He certainly should be afforded the opportunity to express his vision for world peace to that esteemed institution. It's likely he would attract a strong following, just like the leaders of Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea and other such "peace-loving" nations!

I don't suppose the liberal moonbats in this country will FINALLY get the picture of just what a dire threat these BARBARIAND pose. Nah, not a chance!

May they all be forced to sit in a pool of pig's blood ~ that is sit in peace my brothers ~ let's have a dialog and see how we can make you all better. It's pretty clear that the evolutionary clock ran a little slow in the desert about 20,000 years ago.

I figure the guy with the "Jesus is the messenger of Islam" can't oject to the

There Is No God But The God Of Israel And Moses Is His Messenger

flag

#44 Ward Cleaver
Well, both now that you bring it up.

object

and I even previewed it (to test the link)

Bullies and thugs depend on and feed off of the cowardice of their victims. The more the West apologizes to them, rationalizes or excuses their behavior, or generally non-responds, the more aggressively they, the jihadists, will act. Someone somewhere, somehow needs to lay a giant smackdown on these buffoons.

Is George Bush the ONLY courageous leader left on the planet?

#84 Stringart

They & the koran claim that Jesus will come back as a witness against the Gospel disciples and all Christians who believe as the Gospel disciples believed.

Qur’an 4:159 “And there is none of the People of the Book but will believe in him (Jesus as only a messenger of Allah and a human being) before his (Jesus’) death. He will be a witness against them.”

Today's Daily Telegraph UK (quoting from the Daily Mail) Front page.

Anjem Choudary, Muslim Society of Lawyers, was at the Westminster Cathedral demonstration. He said

"Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment"

and

"I am here to have a peaceful demonstration"

and

"But there may be people in Italy and other parts that would carry that out."

So this "Muslim leader" stands outside a Catholic Church and passes on death threats to the Pope.

How would a Christian demonstration outside a Mosque and a Christian demonstrator who mentioned death threats to Islamic clerics be received? It would not be allowed because issuing death threats is a criminal offence. It is NO accident tnat Muslims can get away with doing what Christians cannot. The British left have given Muslims, who number just 3% population, special rights of speech because they approve of Muslim hatred of Christians. It would not be socially acceptable or politically expedient for the left say this themselves but they are happy to use the Muslims to spread Christian hatred in the public arena.

Do I need to remind everyone blaming the Pope for his apology (which is not a retraction; he merely points out that it was a centuries-old quote, not central to his speech, and says he's sorry about the reaction)...

He's trying to prevent innocent Christians from getting massacred immediately in retaliation for his speech.

I understand there is a crucial principle at stake here, but the price is very high, and will be paid by innocents among his flock.

Do I have a right to risk your life for my principles? Even if you share those principles, your life is not mine to risk unless you tell me otherwise. Or so it seems to me.

#80 Funky Chicken

Swipes...?

Okay, maybe I was a little brash about the Pope name joke, but the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" DID used to be the Inquisition. And it's the "correctness in theology" department. Last I checked, anyhoo. No joking there. Linky from Minky.

Trust me; I don't potshot the Roman Church lightly. I just didn't remember the name of the Congregation.

Now, when I looked, the pope had stated that the quote in question was "not his opinion." That's a total disavowal of the statement, IYAM, and it roughly translates to a "I didn't mean that."

That said, something else occurs to me: Didn't this "Jesus" the Muslims are claiming also mention something about one's transgressions not being forgiven if one refuses to forgive others?

#93
The price is already being paid.

What I find interesting is this poll:
[Link: www.thisislondon.co.uk...]

Currently, 63% feel that he should not have apologized.

In London. London, for Pete's sake.

#83 WWtW

We could play the part of the puppeteers,and practice selective breeding by eliminating the hostile elements....with extreme prejudice.

If the Islamofascists are Kzin,then who is Louis Woo?

#93 Lurking Faith

Which brings up an interesting question: How do I express loyalty to my God, by sacrificing His Chosen (who will go to Him immediately upon death) for the sake of Truth...

...or by sacrificing Truth for the sake of the lives of His Chosen?

Not trying to be nasty; I can see the dilemma he faces. The Roman Church doesn't really see salvation in the same terms as most Protestants. (Not about to go into a deep theological debate here.)

Maybe he could alleviate some of the trouble by helping get the endangered Christians OUT of harm's way...physically. You can't tell me the Vatican doesn't have resources.

#96 TotallySirius

Louis Wu: Charles Johnson
Teela Brown: Michelle Malkin
Nessus: Robert Spencer

#91 Roger

What I don't get is the logical inconsistency.

I mean, whom are you going to accept as a witness? Dozens of people who were there when the events transpired--or somebody coming along centuries later (or, in some cases, 100 years later when everyone involved is dead), claiming to have had a "special" insight that nobody else can confirm?

But with the prevalence of revisionist history, I'm not greatly surprised.

OT

I figured out the notify thingee.

Right click------properties.

It sends an email to Charles about the post(er).

Great idea!

#97 Fearless Me

I reiterate that I was not trying to be nasty. I have my own prejudices, which clearly showed in the above-referenced comment.

Some people believe that telling a lie can be preferable to bad things happening to other people, but I'm one who believes that lies are worse, especially in the hands of those who will use them to an even greater detriment in future.

And when a denial of a truth comes from a powerful leader in a widely-hailed Christian denomination, it's a thousand times worse.

#97 FearlessMinky & Lurking Faith

The dilemma you are discussing is understandable but not the first time the Vatican faced it:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
The Catholic Church no longer has armies at her disposal; a good and bad thing. How can they possibly protect all the Catholics around the world? In the end a lot of Catholics died along with many others because of this ongoing dilemma.

94 FearlessMinky

Here is the exact text of Sunday's Angelus by the Pope:

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

The pastoral visit which I recently made to Bavaria was a deep spiritual experience, bringing together personal memories linked to places well known to me and pastoral initiatives towards an effective proclamation of the Gospel for today.

I thank God for the interior joy which he made possible, and I am also grateful to all those who worked hard for the success of this pastoral visit.

As is the custom, I will speak more of this during next Wednesday's general audience.

At this time, I wish also to add that I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims.

These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought.

Yesterday, the Cardinal Secretary of State published a statement in this regard in which he explained the true meaning of my words.

I hope that this serves to appease hearts and to clarify the true meaning of my address, which in its totality was and is an invitation to frank and sincere dialogue, with great mutual respect.

Here is the exact text press statement released Thursday by Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi:

Concerning the reaction of Muslim leaders to certain passages of the Holy Father's address at the University of Regensburg, it should be noted that what the Holy Father has at heart -- and which emerges from an attentive reading of the text -- is a clear and radical rejection of the religious motivation for violence.

It was certainly not the intention of the Holy Father to undertake a comprehensive study of the jihad and of Muslim ideas on the subject, still less to offend the sensibilities of Muslim faithful.

Quite the contrary, what emerges clearly from the Holy Father's discourses is a warning, addressed to Western culture, to avoid "the contempt for God and the cynicism that considers mockery of the sacred to be an exercise of freedom" (homily, Sept. 10). A just consideration of the religious dimension is, in fact, an essential premise for fruitful dialogue with the great cultures and religions of the world.

And indeed, in concluding his address in Regensburg, Benedict XVI affirmed how "the world's profoundly religious cultures see this exclusion of the divine from the universality of reason as an attack on their most profound convictions. A reason which is deaf to the divine and which relegates religion to the realm of subcultures is incapable of entering into the dialogue of cultures."

What is clear then, is the Holy Father's desire to cultivate an attitude of respect and dialogue toward other religions and cultures, including, of course, Islam.

I think they were outside of Westminster; just shows how totally stupid and ignorant they are.

Okey Dokey Stokey.

Lets see now. Death threats. Illegal under UK law. Metropolitan police to act in 3 2 1:

(sound of crickets chirping)

If we're finding "Jesus is the messenger of Islam" placards to be offending than you obviously were not shown the "Jesus is the slave of Mohammed" ones that were present as well.
I really just don't get it. Everytime someone says something along the lines of "Islam is a violent religion" we have a wave of protests, death threats, arsen, assault, bombing, murder and taunts on their part to prove that they are not. And no one has the balls to stand up to it.
I'm not sure why reality is such a hard thing to grasp for so many people, but this is more than a "clash of civillisation" this is a war of civilisation and I'm losing faith that there is room at the end of it for both of us.

#51 Eric Cartman's Conscience

If you think this Pope will ever apologize for stating the truth, you need to read more about this Pope.

My belief is that John Paul anointed Ratzinger because he saw the handwriting on the wall.

John Paul got mugged by reality, just like Charles.

Arrogant--ignorant---repulsive--and they wonder why people don't like them?

66 Copperhead

The Cold War had its Iron Curtain. The current war has its Koran Curtain.

On which side of that curtain is Europe?

They're not even near the curtains. They're currently hiding beneath the bedsheets. I'll peak underneath and ask them.

"Europe? Hel-looooo?"

#99 FearlessMinky, exactly!

I've been pondering and haven't yet found a way to inject reason and tug this foundation stone of islam's out from under possible rejecters of islam. If there is a way to present it that focuses and helps them begin to ask the right questions would be a good thing. But of course I haven't put it in front of many who may be questioning at the very least. Been thinking of a comparative web site but need to find the time.

westminster cathedral is a Catholic church yuo're thinking of westminster abbey

And here is the full text of Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone‘s statement, issued Saturday:

Given the reaction in Muslim quarters to certain passages of the Holy Father‘s address at the University of Regensburg, and the clarifications and explanations already presented through the Director of the Holy See Press Office, I would like to add the following:

The Pope‘s option in favor of interreligious and intercultural dialogue is equally unequivocal. In his meeting with representatives of Muslim communities in Cologne, Germany, on 20 August 2005, he said that such dialogue between Christians and Muslims "cannot be reduced to an optional extra," adding: "The lessons of the past must help us to avoid repeating the same mistakes. We must seek paths of reconciliation and learn to live with respect for each other‘s identity."

The Holy Father thus sincerely regrets that certain passages of his address could have sounded offensive to the sensitivities of the Muslim faithful, and should have been interpreted in a manner that in no way corresponds to his intentions. Indeed it was he who, before the religious fervor of Muslim believers, warned secularized Western culture to guard against "the contempt for God and the cynicism that considers mockery of the sacred to be an exercise of freedom.

Since Jesus is the messaenger of Islam, Muslims would have no problem converting to Christianity, would they?

There was another placard that said "Jesus is the slave of Allah". They just can't get the slavemaster stuff out of their minds. Even their God is a slavemaster. Else why would they have their religion named as "Submission", I wonder.

via The Corner...

Let's Not Forget that... [John Derbyshire]
...Islam is a Catholic heresy. So argued Hilaire Belloc in his 1938 book The Great Heresies. The book has a long chapter titled "The Heresy of Mohammed." Sample:

Mohammedanism was a heresy: that is the essential point to grasp before going any further. It began as a hersey, not as a new religion. It was not a pagan contrast with the Church; it was not an alien enemy. It was a perversion of Christian doctrine. Its vitality and endurance soon gave it the appearance of a new religion, but those who were contemprary with its rise saw it for what it was—not a denial, but an adaptation and a misuse, of the Christian thing. It differed from most (not from all) heresies in this, that it did not arise within the bounds of the Christian Church. The chief heresiarch, Mohammed himself, was not, like most hersiarchs, a man of Catholic birth and doctrine to begin with. He sprang from pagans. But that which he taught was in the main Catholic doctrine, oversimplified. It was the great Catholic world—on the frontiers of which he lived, whose influence was all around him and whose territories he had known by travel—which inspired his convictions. He came of, and mixed with, the degraded idolaters of the Arabian wilderness, the conquest of which had never seemed worth the Romans' while...

Word of advice: Watch your back, Derbyshire.

The Pope stands firm.

Look forward, islam joins the aztecs.

I wonder if this will make Heir-head Charles shut up about Islam, finally.

28 alkmyst 9/18/2006 10:08AM PDT Notify

So what's next, Buddha is the messenger of Krishna?

Well, there is news for you. Buddha is considered an incarnation of God just as Krishna is, by millions of people in India.

All European Life Died In Auschwitz by Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez

I walked down the street in Barcelona, and suddenly discovered a terrible truth -- Europe died in Auschwitz.

We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.

The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world.

These are the people we burned.

And under the pretence of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

They have turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime. Holed up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition. We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for hoping for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe.

"Jesus is the messenger of Islam":

Blessed are the peacemakers headchoppers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted persecute for righteousness' sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Hey look! The bucket's almost full!

drip...drip...drip...drip...

#41

Ah...I'm still waiting for a 9-11 apology from the [bigoted word]s.

It's time to take off our "kinder gentler than thou" gloves, folks of a rational bent.

Jihadists the world over are threatening to decapitate Western leaders as they tried to do on 9/11.

Let's rumble. For keeps this time.

”Islam was not a torch, as has been claimed, but an extinguisher. Conceived in a barbarous brain for the use of a barbarous people, it was - and it remains - incapable of adapting itself to civilization. Wherever it has dominated, it has broken the impulse towards progress and checked the evolution of society.” – Andre Servier, 1922

"The Muslims in Persia are wicked and treacherous. The law which their prophet Mohamet [Muhammad] has given them lays down that any harm they may do to one who does not accept their law, and any appropriation of his goods, is no sin at all. And if they suffer death at the hands of Christians, they are accounted martyrs. For this reason they would be great wrongdoers, if it were not for the government. And all the other Muslims in the world act on the same principle. When they are on the point of death up comes their priest [Mullah] and asks whether they believe that Mahomet was the true messenger of God; if they answer "Yes" then he tells them that they are saved." Entry in Marco Polo’s diary from around 750 years ago.

George Weigel has called in The Cube and the Cathedral a “crisis of civilizational morale” that will ensure the West ends not with a bang but with a whimper:

Were something similar [to the eighth-century destruction of Christian North Africa by Islam] to happen in Europe in the late twenty-first or early twenty-second century, it might not be — indeed it likely would not be — because an Islamist army marched into Western Europe and conquered it. It wouldn’t have to. Europe — in the sense of the civilizational enterprise we identify with the interaction of Jerusalem, Athens, and Rome, a civilization whose modern democratic public life was prepared in the Christian high culture of the Middle Ages — would have handed itself over to its new populations. In significant parts of Europe, the drama of atheistic humanism would have played itself out in the triumph of a thoroughly nonhumanistic theism. The crisis of civilizational morale that Europe is experiencing today would have reached its bitter end in a Europe in which the muezzin summons the faithful to prayer from the central loggia of St. Peter’s in Rome, while Notre-Dame has been transformed into Hagia Sophia on the Seine — a great Christian church become an Islamic museum.

#96 We really need a Nora A. To inspire re resistance .
If they keep getting the big boot they will eventually breed Kdaptists on their own .
We also need Outsiders to bring an oil replacement tech .
The real world is getting more facinating than scifi ........... unfortunantly .

#113 svjathi

Again it is directly in the koran.

Qur’an 4:171-172 “O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion; nor speak lies of Allah. The Messiah, Christ Jesus, the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not ‘Trinity.’ Cease and Desist: (it is) better for you: for Allah is one Ilah (God). (Far it is removed from him of) having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. 172. The Messiah is proud to be a slave of Allah, as are the angels, those nearest. Those who disdain His worship and are arrogant. He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer)…. He will punish with a painful doom; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or save them.”

From a Christian world view such as mine this interprets to Jesus is proud to be a slave of Lucifer's.

Boy, this will really endear them to the world's Catholics.

Which new group will Islam alientate next?

Door number 1, door number 2, or...

#119 Van Impe

Yes, that is how it read until those lousy Jewish scribes distorted it. Yea, ri-i-i-i-ght.

Whether one is a follower of the Pope or not, we should all agree jihadists outright threatening a Pope with their nasty ritual beheading is beyond the pale.

Besides all Christendom, the holy UN and other nono-governmental organizations that claim to be for peace ought to be calling for jihadists to go home & get right with Allah instead of messing with any leaders of Westerners' various faiths.

Where is the ain't-diversity-beautiful crowd when it comes to defending an innocent Pope from jihadist death threats?

I'm sure that someone else on this site has noted the irony of Islamists answering the Pope's quotation of Manuel II Paleologus - with death threats and threats and deeds of violence.

"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams's capital letters)… Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant… While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men." - John Quincy Adams, 1829.

#129 Gordon
You noticed the irony?
I'm impress!

Does anyone know if Tony Blair or Prodi has spoken about this - as in 'threaten the Pope and you get your 72 raisins' ?

#129 Gordon

Absolutely! And also raises the question about how does the word irony translate to arabic?

From The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed

The chivalry which poured out of Gaul into Spain and the native
Spanish knights forcing back the Mohammedans began the affair. The
Scandinavian pirates and the raiders from Asia had been defeated two
generations before. Pilgrimages to Jerusalem, distant, expensive and
perilous, but continuous throughout the Dark Ages, were now especially
imperilled through a new Mongol wave of Mohammedan soldiers establishing
themselves over the East and especially in Palestine; and the cry arose
that the Holy Places, the True Cross (which was preserved in Jerusalem)
and the remaining Christian communities of Syria and Palestine, and above
all the Holy Sepulchre_the site of the Resurrection, the main object of
every pilgrimage_ought to be saved from the usurping hands of Islam.
Enthusiastic men preached the duty of marching eastward and rescuing the
Holy Land; the reigning Pope, Urban, put himself at the head of the
movement in a famous sermon delivered in France to vast crowds, who cried
out: "God wills it." Irregular bodies began to pour out eastward for the
thrusting back of Islam from the Holy Land, and in due time the regular
levies of great Christian Princes prepared for an organized effort on a
vast scale. Those who vowed themselves to pursue the effort took the badge
of the Cross on their clothing, and from this the struggle became to be
known as the Crusades.

PAUS GO TO HELL

What the hell does that even mean?!

#135 CognitiveDissonance

I think Paus is the name of her dentist.

#135 CD,

Something to do with her dentist?

Roger 9/18/2006 11:39AM PDT Notify
#135 CognitiveDissonance

I think Paus is the name of her dentist

Yeah no kidding, he's got the smile of a 20-year NHL veteran!

Check out the other guy too, something about MAMPUS?!

Maybe a little OT, but I feel a little OT myself lately, Hmmm, I wonder why? Today, I have to get something off my chest and this thread here, has been voted as the place, ("and I'm unanimous in that"). How democratic of me. Here is the quote:

Imagine a giant cockroach, with unlimited strength, a massive inferiority complex, and a real short temper, is tear-assing around Manhattan Island in a brand-new Edgar suit. That sound like fun?

"Men in Black"

Doesn't that description sound from familiar? Don't these happy, go lucky, nasty sign carrying, fellas need a new nickname? Since this is a democracy, I nominate: Edgars.

What's an Edgar-suit?

I nominate: Edgars.

All of your Edgars are belong to us!

Benedict might be the last pope. Not because the Catholic church is going away, or something, but it seems like the office of the Pope is (or will become) a terrible liability to the lives of millions of Christians. The Bible did not create a pope, men did. This might make that listing of popes real (i.e the one saying that Benedict is the last before the final 'anti-pope') -- the only way to prove a prophecy is for it to happen.

I love you my Catholic brothers and sisters, but this Vatican thing has been way out of hand for centuries. This is just my opinion on the matter, naturally, but if (like I am postulating) the pope himself becomes a serious liability to his flock, as per... having to lie so that Christians do not die... isn't it time to reconsider?

#143 RiverCocytus

I was raised Catholic, so

I love you my Catholic brothers and sisters, but this Vatican thing has been way out of hand for centuries.

I struggle with the wealth of the vatican and the relevancy of the pope. I hit a serious speed-bump when they had Cardinal Law (of child abuse cover-up fame) holding a mass at the vatican for John Paul II.

I don't know. Maybe the pope's recent statements are a stab at relevancy.

"It's the Popes Fault" makes me sick, remember it does not take much to offend 'muslim sensibilities'... Remember Piglet? [Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

This is nothing new for LGF readers.

Rather OT, I guess, arguably:

Informal poll:

"The Motorola Bluetooth girl is a total hottie."

Yes___

No____

(I vote "yes")

As a Londoner, I can say that everyone I've been speaking to about the lastest 'muslim outrage': Popistan (just after Cartoonistan), is very pissed off.
Even one of our local free evening papers was fuming on the front page about these Islamic nutters at Westminister Cathedral (including Choudery going on about death to the pope) and why are the police not chucking them in the paddywagon for incitement to murder
Conversation today between Badger (Jew) and a friend (Hindu). Friend: We need a crusade. Badger: Yep. Load the rifles and pass the ammunation.
They've declared war on us for years...why are we still pussy-footing around their bloody 7th century sensibilities.
Only the most fervent moonbats (spot them carrying a copy of the Guardian or Independent) don't believe that Islam is a threat here in the UK.
I know many here at LGF have given up hope on us here in Europe, but we're not DEAD yet. And the muslims are overplaying their hand. If they stuck to their lying platitudes maybe they could fool the clueless but there is only so many times they can prance around chanting 'Death to those who insult Islam' without people getting majorily pissed.

These lying, hypocritical pedophile murderers are so going to hell! Daring to threaten the Pope for telling the truth, murderering people coninously, and just doing everything they say they don't-religion of peace is such BS!

Now once again insulting Jesus's name! Jesus is God and spoke about forgiveness and love.

Damn Islam wasn't even created for hundreds of years after Jesus went back to heaven! Islam is nothing more but a religion of death and a worship of murderers and rapists (*cough* pedophile Mo prophet *cough*).

These idiots are so going to burn and I'm going to stand against them at all costs. Why do I have a feeling that the end is near one way or another?

I'm going to get ready because things are getting uglier by the minute!

Not saying its the Pope's fault.. what I am saying is, the Pope himself is become a liability to those whom he is supposed to be leading and protecting.

Honestly, I think all of us Christians need to think on Matthew 9:16 and 17. Especially in light of Matthew 20:20-28.

Important part: Jesus says:
Matt 20
25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them (the old bottles/wineskins)
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister,
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant. (the new bottles/skins)

Just one dynamic of what Jesus meant when he said:

Matt 9
17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

- Looking at these two passages, in light the papacy, and of Matthew 16:17&18-- we must ask ourselves, does Jesus really establish Peter as the pope? Does it make sense with the other scriptures? Even if he did, if the Pope and his organization are indistiguishable from secular authorities, then they would be the old wineskins/bottles, would they not? The bottles are going to break, then, according to the scriptures.

- Again, this is a choice for Catholics alone, as the pope is their shepherd. My part is to be a witness to what sayeth the Word.

does Jesus really establish Peter as the pope? Does it make sense with the other scriptures?

Yes. And Yes.

Why do you even care, we're here to discuss and expose the Death Cult for what it is, and you're making backhanded remarks about Catholic theology. I know alot of you protestants conspiracy nuts think the Papacy is some type of Satanic position in the "new world order", but can you leave the Catholic bashing for another site? Thanks.

#150 RiverCocytus

It will always be too tempting to be Pope.

My part is to be a witness to what sayeth the Word.

Oh get off the Cross we need the wood.

Jesus is the messenger of Islam ? Nope...

Just because their prophet chose to add some made up stuff about Jesus to his dialog (as he wasn't around when it was all written down), doesn't make Jesus a collaborator of their religion.

Jesus was pretty clear on how to get to heaven, and Mo wasn't part of that plan.

Possible new slogan for Islam:

Religion of Piece

If it helps anyone, "paus" is the Dutch word for "pope." No idea why that word comes up in Britain though.

BBC always show these Islam fanatics in a good way. Poor, misunderstood religion...probably foreign policy change needed, blah, blah, blah. Since BBC is government funded, it is a signal that this is the England of today.

#148 Enraged_Badger

and why are the police not chucking them in the paddywagon for incitement to murder

You guys REALLY need to get rid of Iain what's-his-name, the Chief of the Metropolitan Police. He's a complete disaster.

Oh, and good luck with the guns stuff.

#143 RiverCocytus

I've heard a lot of attacks on the RCC (I'm Catholic) but this has to be among strangest I have seen:

Benedict might be the last pope...

Btw, the Pope certainly did not lie: he issued destructions of key principles of Islamic theology and did not back down from these in any sense. Further, he's no doubt sincere in his sorrow about the Muslim reaction to a quote misread.

#150 RiverCocytus? It is always wise to consider these things in light of this passage. Not that it makes an Office always with us by definition but on the individual basis we need to discern the truth.

Arrghh! 160 Re:

Didn't test as I should. trying to get it there before the flames grow.

link:
[Link: www.biblegateway.com...]

I am so beyond pissed at the islamics on this Pope thing. I did not believe I could be so pissed.

#159 Yank in the EU

I've heard a lot of attacks on the RCC (I'm Catholic) but this has to be among strangest I have seen:

Benedict might be the last pope...

I don't think it was intended as an attack. I read the comment as a reference to St. Malachy's Prophecy.

According to the prophecy, the current Pope may be the second last Pope Gloria Olivæ ("Glory of the Olives").

I've been channeling Emperor Manuel Paleologos II this afternoon and he'd like to say that he's actively saddened that the Muslims want to kill the pope.

To all the muslims that actually believe the pope should be executed, I have two words.

Up yours.

yank

You're right that the Pope began a devastating attack on Islamic supremacist theology; he called into question its very possibility. In short, there is no "logos" in Islamic supremacism and its jihad.

You're right that the Pope didn't apologize, either. He said he was "chagrined (rammaricato) at the reaction."

I think you're mistaken that the reaction is over a quote "misread." It's disingenuous to say the Pope's remarks were taken out of context. They were, sort of. But the larger context was very much about the incompatibility of jihad "theology" and rationality.

The enemy knows enough to know when it's being criticized.

The one thing the devil can't abide is mockery and laughter. Remarks like the Pope's makes him feel small.

Hence the murderous rage.

If they are not tolerant of a speech thousands of miles away, then just what the f@#k are they tolerant of.

That's okay, y'all. Just wanted to point that out. I'm not attacking the Pope, nor can I deny that he is a courageous man. I consider him my brother in Christ.

Yeah, and thanks Roger, that is a good scripture as well. I'm no anti-catholic, as I know the Catholics are with the rest of Christianity in the stand against Satan.

And now it is clear (though done with cunning) that Benedict is with the rest of us against the earthly foe, Islam. In this, I think he has fulfilled the scripture: "Be as wise as serpents, and as innocent as doves"?

As for the rest of us, I've got plenty of words too. I only brought this up because the Pope is part of these recent events.

Those Wainesboro or whatever, bunch of unhinged protestants, they're more messed up than any Christians I've seen. I say this in love, and only since the scripture speaks against their actions.

#164 grayp

I really meant attack in an academic sense, meaning in a general sense giving arguments why something is false, in this case the papacy. The concepts of the successor to St. Peter and the Vicar of Christ are fundamental to Catholic doctrine, so obviously declaring that this would be the last pope runs contrary to that. It seems tantamount to predicting the end of the RCC.

I'd actually heard of St. Malachy when I was reading about St. Bernard of Clairvaux, and as far as I know the man's ideas were fairly orthodox in terms of the Church.

OT but in case anyone here is ignorant of how the previous Pope helped Ronald Reagan and Maggie Thatcher dismantle another hateful ideologies' Ummah of Soviet Socialist Republics without firing a shot, I recommend the made for tv movie starring Jon Voigt (Angeline Jolie's dad, unbelievably good in the role of Pope).

One strong Pope can stir a lot of sleeping Westerners to action against the jihadists, I pray. The rest of us had better get on board with Prez. Bush and his allied nations. We need some big Mo(mentum) to combat these Mo' fos.

#166 godfrey, wouldn't it be amazing if the MSM said, "The Pope is chagrined at the reaction to his remarks"? Instead of twisting and giving an apology for him so their small little world of cocktails and happy hours isn't jeopardized in the near future?

169# Yank in the EU:

My argument is the following:

1. The pope's job is, as the eldest Bishop, to speak for, and to be the shepherd of his flock, the Roman Catholic Church.

2. An enemy (earthly in this case, though certainly inspired by Satan) exists whom would attack members of that flock, were the Pope to speak the truth.

3. A dilemma now exists wherein, the Pope will be threatened to lie or remain silent, or suffer the deaths of uninvolved believers, potentially even non-catholics!

4. In this sense, the Pope's position (for the time being at least) has become a liability to the Church (the body of believers).

5. Thus this -could- be the last pope, as in, a re-evaluation may occur as a result of an ongoing or future occurance/reaction to the pope's presence/statements, and this re-evaluation might result in not electing a new pope.

6. Addendum: Since I have knowledge only of scripture, and not of the Apocrypha (which Roman Catholics include some of in their Bibles) nor of the Catechism or Catholic doctrine in general, I am ignorant as to whether delaying or declining to elect a pope would result in the de facto end of Catholicism as a centralized faith.

Sorry if I came across as a typical unhinged antipapist. I try not to hold emotional opinions about things of such grand import.

Muslims call for execution of the Pope,
the banning of Piglet from municipal offices,
the banning of the St George Cross, the murder of the Danish cartoonist, etc ad nauseum. I believe this kind of demostrating is illegal in Britain, I guess if it is only against the American President, or a Catholic, and then it is allowed. I wish the Queen would have the guts to speak out against this, she knows what evil is and she and her parents stood it down during WW2. I wish the Queen would speak.

Good thing about a centralized Church - it can tell the nutters they're nutters and shut up or don't call yourselves members of the Church anymore.

Maybe if the Muslims had a more central theology they wouldn't be wandering so far into Lucifer territory.

I say this as a Catholic.

#166 godfrey

I think you're mistaken that the reaction is over a quote "misread." It's disingenuous to say the Pope's remarks were taken out of context. They were, sort of. But the larger context was very much about the incompatibility of jihad "theology" and rationality.

Likewise, I disagree. Nearly all the reactions by Muslims mentioned explicitly the phrase "evil and inhuman" in reference to the characterization of Muhammad. The Pope correctly explained that he does not identify with this particular medievel emperor's perspective in viewing the Islamic prophet this way - this does not exclude an agreement on the content. That's all fine. I see nothing duplicitous in this. The quotation was clearly meant to attract attention and I would say it would be double-speak to say the Pope did not expect any reaction. What the Pope said in response to the Muslim misunderstanding is another way of saying: I am not taking a stand on the particular nature of Mohammad at the moment, but instead dealing with a theological critique. It should be clear from the whole speech that the subject was not Muhammad.

You are kind of implying that when the Pope said he feels deep regret about the Muslim reaction to his speech, he does not really feel this way. I disagree wholeheartedly and would argue that the Pope is trying to make contact with the minds of Muslims and Westerners a like in a rational way and not in a way that enrages and insults.

#172 RiverCocytus,

3. A dilemma now exists wherein, the Pope will be threatened to lie or remain silent, or suffer the deaths of uninvolved believers, potentially even non-catholics!

4. In this sense, the Pope's position (for the time being at least) has become a liability to the Church (the body of believers).

It wouldn't be much of a religion if their leader had to lie about what he believed in.

Technically speaking, the head of Christianity is Christ Jesus. The pope is the Roman Catholic interpretation of the position and function of the eldest Bishop. Part of the issue between the Orthodox and the Roman Catholic branches of the original Church occurred around year 1000, wherein through political fiat, the Vatican established the law of papal infallibility. Two things: 1. I don't know if that law was repealed, and either way, the Catholics I know don't consider the pope infallible. 2. It was the last straw (or so) for the Orthodox (Eastern) Christians.

Pope or no Pope, Christ is still the head of the Church.

#177 RiverCocytus

Pope or no Pope, Christ is still the head of the Church

Okay, but my point still stands. Catholicism wouldn't be much of a religion if the Pope has to lie about what he believed.

#187 Me

has = had

I hate it when tenses don't agree.

#176 Aladin Sane, if you have the time, see #102. It isn't the first time the Vatican was in this situation. There are now documents released in the 90's that showed they were working on condemning the Nazis but couldn't find when to pull the trigger(so to speak). The documents were smuggled to the US because they were well aware at any time the fascists might roll into Vatican City.

#180 Roger,

Thanks. Interesting parallel.

#178: Agreed. And if I know anything about Benedictus, he won't. Which is why there might not be another Pope after him.

#174: Very true; though the centralized church suffers from the ever-present good king/bad king problem.

They say the best form of governance is in the service of a Good and Benevolent King. Trouble is, people die, and need to be replaced. That is, unless they're, you know, Christ.

Just sayin'.

It's like dealing with a bunch of spoiled kids. They earnestly believe their Dad can beat up my Dad.

#151 CognitiveDissonance

Thank you.

Consider this strong agreement.

And it can also be said those so full of pride going on about how they'd do better while their meaningless words uttered anomynously are NOT tied directly to the lives of innocents that will die in greater numbers if the Pope takes even the slightest mistep in his dance on a tightrope really need to think about how they look to others.

Cause it ain't pretty.

And iff claim they're Christians they'd do their souls a whole lot more good begging for the virtue of humility and laying off the rock throwing.

By the way, If they are saying that Jesus is a messenger/slave of Allah, they are in effect saying that YHWH/Jehovah is a messenger/slave to Allah.

I seem to recall this heresy before.. where was it... oh, here.. (since I've been in Matthew...)

Matt. 4: 8-10
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showeth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve.

[Jesus is quoting Deuteronomy 6:13.]

Hmm....

#182 river

What should be offensive to all people of reason is the phenomenon of jihadists of all stripes all getting sudden jihadist syndrome and all simultaneously calling for the annihilation of the elected leader of another faith--one that preceded theirs and has more adherents.

Jihadists' call for decapitating a Westerner is what is offensive.

#172 RiverCocytus

Thank you, I certainly appreciate your argument and thoughts.

I suppose I look at the issue not merely as Catholic who holds the apostolic succession as an article of faith, but someone who has spent time reading the works of the previous popes and reflecting on their central and necessary role in leading the Catholic Church. We believe that Christ gave Peter a very unique responsibility to tend the flock. It is also clear, we believe, that the position of Peter among the other Apostles was the basis for the Kingdom of God on earth, which is the Church of Christ. This position was personally given to him by Christ, to be His earthly representative and to make preparations for His return.

So in a direct sense, the ending of the Papacy would mean an ending of the Catholic Church and faith as we know it. I'm not trying to be dramatic here and of course there are other Christian denominations which do not believe in the Pope.

Your question about the Pope's existence endangering Catholics and non-Catholics with his words is also quite a practical questio, and hence contigent on many real-world matters. I suppose I would hold the view that if a representative of a billion Catholics gives fundamental criticisms of Islam and these views are widely heard because of the Pope's stature, then in a practical sense it is good that a voice of reason and truth can be heard by so many, instead of just by a small congregation. Perhaps these kinds of statements may contribute overall to saving millions in Europe from war and violent conquest. The argument that the Catholic faith must (may, as you said) end because the Pope is angering Muslims and causing violence to Catholics and non-Catholics would also rely, of course, on the assumption of the basic falsity of the faith itself. It's also a more complicated matter of when a leader should speak the truth, which may save the people and is morally righteous, or hide the truth for the sake of saving lives and also perhaps not perform God's will by speaking the truth.

#187 grrr "a" Catholic

#185 RiverCocytus, astonishing isn't it! Jesus refused so later scripture is injected into the world to establish the false claim Jesus is proud to be a slave of Lucifer's.

Please view this. Share it with others. We have to stand together.

#187 correction: I should have said "...Christian denominations who do not believe the Pope is the Vicar of Christ."

Why is everybody so upset? Jesus was and is a messenger of Islam:

Matthew 7:15
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

and

Matthew 24:11
And many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

See? We need to give Muslims credit when they get things right. We must encourage them to speak the truth. I don't know about old Mo but Jesus was definitely a messenger of Islam. Besides, you guys and gals are going to hurt Affinity's feelings.

Must make signs saying: JESUS was a JEW and he still LOVES YOU. That'll make 'em go crazy as their hatred for Jews is so obvious.

Good way to open up Muslims' minds via the "stronger sex-women" follows.

Female Muslim Readers - IMPORTANT - Please forward to all female Muslim readers

Should you choose to leave Islam, please be advised of the following:

YOU ARE NOT A MAN’S PROPERTY. If you don’t want to have sex with your husband, that’s OK. He can’t force you. If he does, it’s considered rape. For the first time in your life, YOU are in control of your own body.
MEN ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BEAT YOU. Men, including husbands, are not allowed to beat or hit you as it’s illegal and immoral. No more living in fear. If someone hits you, you call the police and he will be arrested and go on trial, not you. It’s NOT your fault.
YOUR WORD IS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN A MANS. In legal matters, your testimony is equal to or greater than a mans. If he’s ever hit you before, Domestic Violence, your word might be taken over his.
YOU ARE A MANS EQUAL AND JUST AS VALUABLE. You are just as valuable and equal as your husband. If you don’t want to cook, don’t. If you don’t want to do dishes, don’t. If you don’t want to serve him, don’t. Chances are, your husband will help cook, clean, raise the children etc.
YOU CAN DIVORCE HIM IF YOU DON’T LIKE HIM. No more slavery to the husband for fear of divorce. If your husband isn’t deserving of you, you can leave and find another husband.
YOU CAN FREELY ARGUE WITH ALL MEN. If you want to argue with your husband, father, brother, etc. - go right ahead. That’s normal, acceptable and it’s your right to have your own opinion.
YOU CAN FREELY STUDY WHENEVER AND WHATEVER YOU LIKE. The majority of university students in many countries including America are women.
IN MANY AREAS, IT’S STILL “LADIES FIRST” Many parts of the world, men still open the doors for women, help them carry heavy things and other things that were once considered as “chivalry.” If you don’t want the assistance, just say, “No thank you.”
YOU CAN TALK WITH ANYONE YOU LIKE. No one controls with whom you talk to. Go ahead, strike up a conversation with anyone at all. It will likely cheer up everyone.
YOU CAN WEAR WHATEVER YOU WANT. God created women as beautiful art. Beauty wasn’t meant to be seen only by one.
ADULTERY IS OFTEN FORGIVEN AND YOU WON'T BE KILLED. As Jesus said to the mob that was chasing the prostitute to stone her to death, "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."
YOU CAN LISTEN TO MUSIC.
YOU CAN DANCE.
YOU CAN ENJOY ART.

There are hundreds of other things that you might not be aware of, just wanted to let you in on the “secret” of other life.

The doors to other religions, including Christinity, are ALWAYS OPEN to you. Feel free to come and go as you please. If you leave, no hard feelings. You’re welcome back again anytime and no one will search you out to do you harm. Most religions are like this.

If you want to worship in another religion, you are free to sit anywhere you want, with anyone you want. You are not forced to worship. You can worship or pray at home as well.

All the “infidels” know the above, not sure if you do or not, so just included it to be sure. If you don’t believe it, research on Internet, contact lawyer, etc.

Finally, non-Muslims are NOT your enemy. Even though many Muslims hate us “infidels” we continue to love and pray for you. However, we do reserve the right to live in case some of the more wicked try to kill us for believing differently than you do.

#191 Yank in the EU

Yea, I saw that but chose not to focus on it:-) First drafts are what we got here and they are risky!

#151 & #184:

speaking of which...

1. Did I ever say I could do better?
2. (re 151) Cog, I am not saying ANY of those things. I am paralleling scripture with physical evidence that this might be indeed the last pope (or last pope before the antipope) The prophecy by Malachy if true, will be backed up by scripture and reason in practice. In other words, there will be a REASON why Benedictus will be the last pope.
3. I'm chagrinned that you can't accept that I can accept the pope as a Christian brother, and not question his (or the Vatican as a body of people's) belief in Christ, nor judge them (in the sense of calling them Satanic) but yet disagree with the presence of the Vatican as an organization, and the papacy as a position. Cog, if you feel scripture backs you up, then show me; I would like to be informed of the Truth if I am led astray by my own foolishness.

This point of view that I have, that the scripture and reality should line up, and that reason should walk alongside faith, building one another up, is shared by Benedictus himself, as he spoke in the address for which he is being demonized.

As for dealing with the death cult that is Islam, what if there is become no pope because of it? Look, I understand that my indictment is strong (and strange, too.) Indeed, I could easily be proven wrong, as I don't know everything.

Aside: I find it interesting that the pope said he was chagrinned, and was not really apologetic. He was not expressing the statement from Manuel II as his opinion, but he clearly chose it for a reason.

So in Islam, not only can you not speak against Moe or Al, you can't quote anyone speaking against them, whether you disagree with them or not. How insanely opressive.

Catholic lizards

Please feel free to comment on this Jesuit's article. Here's the last paragraph:

Vatican observers often predict that this Pope will engage much more than his predecessors in substantive dialogue with Muslims about the issues between us. That may be true, and such a dialogue is surely urgent. However, it cannot be done without allowing Muslims to speak for themselves. We cannot presume first to tell them what they believe, and then to criticise them for it. In Regensburg the Pope engaged not with Muslims, but with a version of Islam enunciated by a Christian locked in battle with them. Is it so surprising that conflict resulted?

#194 Roger

Yeah, one the first things they teach at catechism for very young Catholics is that the Pope is a holy man of central importance to the faith, but we certainly do not worship him in any sense. Thanks for the restraint :p

#187: Yes, indeed, it is a not a small accusation. I apologize if I sent it across as though it were something very small. But it might become a fundamental question Catholics will need to answer in the near future. Lose not your faith in God if your faith in the Pope as His vicar is troubled.

I apologize for offending my Catholic brothers and sisters by my temerity. But please don't ignore what I've said just because I'm brash and callow.

#196 godfrey

Done. Damn Jesuits! (No offense, dear reader, if you are a Jesuit - but I know that you know what I mean!)

I posted this - we'll see if it's posted (they review comments):

Two issues with your article.
First - Muslims should speak in this issue and should stop pretending violence is not endemic in Islam. I'm listening; the Pope is waiting.
Second - by their fruits you shall know them; beware of false prophets. How much clearer could our Lord have been? The fruits of Islam, around the world, are corpses and anger. Where is the love?

Sandro Magister's take.

Always worth reading.

#198 RiverCoctyus

No harm done at all, River. Appreciate the discussion. I greatly prefer frank discussions than potshots in passing at people's faiths. If this weren't mainly a forum for political and war on radical Islam related topics, it would behoove us to break out the Biblical passages and delve deeper into the historical / theological positions. ;)

#197 Yank in the EU,

My wife is Catholic. I'm not. My children are being raised Catholic with a heavy does of Protestantism so I obviously love Catholics but...

Though I admire the Catholic Church and feel indebted as all Christians should for the historical perspective, I do have some disagreements. One would be that I don't consider the Pope Holy either. The word Holy is reserved only for God, much like the word Hallelujah.

I admire this Pope for no other reason than I believe both he and John Paul were real men of God. Both have stood true to the Word, have changed the world for the better, and are men I feel we have been lucky to have. I don't think it simply random chance the both Benedict and John Paul happen to have been chosen as Pope at this particular time in history. I believe God put them there in preparation with respect of things to come.

198 RiverCocytus

No offense taken; you posted your thoughts and some questions in a polite, discoursive, interlocutory way, not in an anti-Catholic, angry way.

#202: Agreed, on that. My feeling is, you put on the Belt of Truth first. And yes, we do owe immense debts of gratitude to Roman Catholicism for the modern world and its strength. For one, we wouldn't know anything about genetics if it weren't for a ingenious monk by the name of Gregor Mendel. Oddly enough, had the Church not said "Sorry dude, no mice--" he would never have discovered what he did. Mice are so much more complex genetically-- but nobody knew it at the time! (Actually, another twist is, Mice are the closest creatures to us, genetically.)

Still hoping for acknowledgement from Cog about this, but I might not get it.

Ah, I love the Jesuits-- always making trouble. I'll try to get to reading that article, soon.

(About this pope thing, I think I've gotten into this argument before. Eh, incorrigible as ever...)

I don't like the fact that Muslims are hijacking Jesus' name just like the Muslim terrorists hijacking Islam.

Wait.... Islam doesn't needed to be hijacked by Muslims terrorists. Islam and terrorism are synonymously dependent on each other.

Still, don't let Muslims hijack Jesus' name!

#204 RiverCocytus

Ahem. Try pigs. The we are mice thing is research funding propaganda.

#204 RiverCocytus,

The Pope is attacked as a representative of the Christian Church and always held to the double standard by the non-believers.

Perhaps my favorite Catholic (at least in my lifetime) has been Cardinal John O'Connor. The few times I heard him speak, I was most impressed. I miss him.

Muhammed is the Messenger of Mormonism. If Muhammed were alive today, he'd be a Mormon.

River and Roger,

(Sounds like a band with real harmony). Am I following you guys? One says mice are the closet relative to humans genetically; the other says pigs?

#205 the_flying_pig

Name-jacking? Many Biblical characters are rewritten in the koran with their personalities changing to that of Mohammed's.

PIMF 209 there

ahem, that would be closest; not hiding in the closet.

#202 goodbye_natalie

Personally, one of the reasons the writings of this pope and the previous one have been so important to me is because I am so disappointed at the touchy-feely, liberation theology, highly-feminine viewpoint coming from so many priests and religion in general. I therefore turn to the writings of the popes and the Church Fathers for a doctrine that seems much more to speak the Gospel. The life they speak of is one of difficult sacrifice but also of freedom, happiness and light. These popes bring the conservative theology of the Tradition into the many complicated matters of the world and the faithful today -- a daunting task for a Christian on his own. It is this integration of philosophy, spirituality and the practical world that I think the Catholic Church emphasizes in an everyday sense, if that does not simplify too many complex issues.

#209 goodbye_natalie

Stand a pig on his hind legs and look into his eyes. He is mostly there, pot belly and all. Why if they had an opposing thumb it would have been Planet of the Pigs.

Kind of OT:

Could be some Armageddon types knew exactly what the Pope was going to say on the 12th of September.

Warning those easily spooked by endtime prophecy should probably not watch. ;-0

Still hoping for acknowledgement from Cog about this, but I might not get it.

I may have been a bit testy in my initial reply, but my point was that right now WE are all in this together Catholic/Protestant/Jew/Hindu/Atheist/Agnostic, and everything else in between, it just seemed like you were looking for a theoogy debate with people who are ultimately on your side in exposing and defeating the ROPers...and I was a little suspicious as to why..no offense.

Mujahadeen planning suicide attack against Pope Benedict? Really, just LOVELY people they are.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

#193
Here's a good reason why we have acentralized church - the Musllims have no one to speak authoritatively on matters of faith and morals, whereas Catholics (and some other denominations)do. It'd be nice to hear the authoritative voice of Islam regarding where they stand on the issue of violence, but alas, we only hear from Imams regarding their own opinion. Since we don't hear an authoritative voice, we must draw the inference from the actions and statements of the various Muslims.

One thing (of many) that I like about the Catholic Church is the richness of the history, and the theology. IF you like classical Greek philosophy and Middle Eastern mysticism, read the New Testament, especially the epistles of Paul.

I just wish these goat humpers would go ahead and do something stupid so that we can finally rock and roll. I'm getting impatient.
I tired of all the bully talk. Do something besides chant and whine.

Cog: The Muslim world may seek to take advantage of Catholics being unarmed and peaceful, and using the Pope as a ready scapegoat.

I was attempting earlier to connect the practical (the problem above) with the scriptural. (the old bottles and new wine.) The connection is not always easy, (and not always advisable, lest one try to press meaning out of something for selfish reasons) but it still is important.

I'm not backpedaling from my position, but suffice it to say that the centralized church which is, indeed, good at establishing a clear doctrine and creating a body which is answerable for the actions of its parts, may turn out to be a terrible liability.

It's fine if you disagree. Obviously, the voice of one man (myself) is not going to alter the faith of millions upon millions of Roman Catholics worldwide-- just ain't gonna happen.

But the enemy (Satan) and his Principalities and Powers has and will use the weaknesses of a centralized church against us believers.

I even see it in the church I attend. Also, I played organ for a church which could not afford its mortgage, but sacrificed many things and cut corners to keep this large (and beautiful) church building. But it was idolatry. Not the images in the windows, not the cross, or the picture of Jesus, or icons of saints-- the building itself became what the church was about. And they struggled, because what they wanted most it seemed, was to keep that building. But the cost was crippling, and they could not afford new hymnals, or new sound or music equipment, (for it was a large sanctuary) and for us musicians, they could not afford to pay us what they told us they were going to. Additionally, we received little to no support for our ministry. The building was an old bottle, and old wineskin. It was going to break, and all of the wine would spill out. The church itself isn't and has never been about the buildings. Regardless, it is clear that the building itself while strong and solid was not the foundation of the church (or should not have been) and could be a liability. The foundation of the Church is Christ.

The stronger we are in our faith and understanding of God's Word, the stronger we will be against this so called 'Religion of Peace'. What does God's Word say? "no weapon formed against you shall prosper." That's not just theological conjecture or musings, that's a promise.

We already know the Islamists want us dead. So lets be strengthening our spiritual bulwarks against them, while we are trying to get the world to strengthen its physical ones.

Phew, what a mouthful. Anyway, the last thing we want is to become as full of hate as our enemies are. Hatred and anger will blind us to their strategies. ("Love thy enemy"? "Turn the other cheek"? "Resist not (do not set yourself against) and evil man?")

Do you agree or disagree? It's fun to write how we'd like to off these guys, but even they are still created in God's image.

#219 rivercocytus

Hatred and anger will blind us to their strategies. ("Love thy enemy"? "Turn the other cheek"? "Resist not (do not set yourself against) and evil man?")

"Turn the Other Cheek" only works to a point. Then it's time to kick their ass. Methinks the time is very, very, very soon.

#220: Not going to say that it isn't. Just ask Israel.

Regarding Islam's "recognition" of Jesus...

This recoginition is only for the purpose of delegitimizing Christianity.

First the Koran states that Jesus didn't die as the Bible says he did.

Sura 4:157 (Translation A)
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.

Translation B
Regarding Crucifixion of Jesus: And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not slay him of certainty... no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but will assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them."

Secondly, They reject the notion that Jesus is the Son of God

Sura 19:88
And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son; and it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son

Thirdly, they reject the concept of the trinity.

Sura 4:171
So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not, 'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be to Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth, God suffices for a guardian

Sura 5:73
Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve

Fourthly, Jews and Christians are deemed very dangerous to befriend:

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for
friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you
takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah
does not guide the unjust people.

Wow... Can't say I'm surprised. Let's draw some more cartoons :D!