Is there anything which doesn't call for riots, attacks and protests? Really, folks-- vary the routine a bit.

Quick! Start a protest against the Americans! Just in case they decide to listen to the pope.

-Sounds like a case of "hitting them back first".

(Cue Twilight Zone theme.)

[BLINK]

As Mahmoud Ahmadinejad enjoys a nice dinner somewhere in New York the night before his speech at the UN,

Wouldn't that be neat if he was refused service everywhere he went?

Oh I give up. Let's just suppress them and call it a crusade. Seems to be what they expect anyway.

"Muslims” by depicting them as terrorists...

depicting?

yeah, cause our MTV culture was hanging on the pope's every word.

What do you expect from "Death to America" Iran?

Isnt this there usual weekly outing anyway?

Can't we put this evil, little bastard in a cage and parade him around for the cameras?

Can't we?

The Religion of Peace strikes again. The only people who cannot see their hypocrisy are those who choose not to, because it is too blatant for even the densest of of us to not perceive...

/rant off

Nice Dinner Jacket: FOAD

When will someone be all that they can be in a B-52 over Tehran?

Why should i have to suffer over what the Pope said, I'm a Jew?

sarc off/

They get away with it because they're not scared of us. No, not just Europeans, but Americans, too. Westerners want to be liked, while most of the world either hate us or despise us. We're the schmucks of the planet. People can just squeeze us for money, walk across our borders at will and shout "racism" if anybody tries to stop them, but at the same time heap abuse on the citizens of that country.

Why should Muslims be scared of the West? I wouldn't be.

It's time to return to good, old-fashioned killing of your enemies. I don't want them to like me, I want them to fear me.

We don't have to imagine them as terroists, we see what they do each and every day. We know they are terroists.

#4 redshirt

I hope he's served plenty of spinach.

...Ayatollah Ali Khamenei used the comments to call for protests against the United States.

Why do I get the feeling those "protests" won't be limited to LLL types with mass-produced signs?

Those who benefit from the pope’s comments...

CNN? MSNBC? Al-Reuters? They've had a field day with this story. I'm just sayin'.

"We will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose the 'jizya' tax, then the only thing acceptable is a conversion (to Islam) or (being killed by) the sword."

Wha? A "jizya" tax? Huh? What the fuck are they talking about?

#11
Hell the Left and the MSM cannot see it either

One more time for the hard-of-learning:
mosques = bunkers/ammo dumps/troop concentrations

imams = military leadership/officers

ayatollahs = Joint Chiefs of Staff

Now apply the rules of war.

How can Mahmoud Ahmadinejad be allowed here, wasn't he involved in the hostage taking back in '79?

#15 Fjordman

I don't want them to like me, I want them to fear me.

Again, I've been saying exactly that since 9/11.

locked and loaded, bring it on boys!

15:

"It's time to return to good, old-fashioned killing of your enemies. I don't want them to like me, I want them to fear me."

Didn't Kerry say that when he was in Cambodia, Xmas '69?

You can't turn on the radio or the TV or read the news on the Internet without hearing about bigoted Muslims beheading "infidels", murdering civilians in "martyrdom operations", burning the Pope in effigy, torching Danish embassies over some silly cartoons, closing down cinemas in Somalia, banning the sale of pet cats and dogs in Saudi Arabia, setting off over 50 bomb blasts in a single day in banks around Thailand, chopping off the heads of young girls who aren't "properly dressed" in Indonesia, invading schools and killing children in Beslan, raining thousands of missiles down on the heads of Israeli civilians, shouting, waving their fists, holding placards predicting the downfall of the West and the triumph of Islam - and threatening more of the same if anyone has the audacity to link such behavior to Islam.

I say, it's time to git yer Crusade on.

...the words give the West an “excuse for suppressing Muslims”

I'd say they do a smashing job of that themselves...

You mean, they're NOT terrorists? Damn, I misunderstood again.

"I'm not really a terrorist, I just play one on TV..."

This is not the kind of dialogue we're looking for. /jedi mind tricks

#25 ted
It was Christmas of 1968; President Nixon sent him there. And he has the hat, he still has the hat.

Since the Turks want to arrest the il papa as soon as he gets into Turkey in Nov., can't we just arrest Dinner Jacket while he's still here.

As a Jew, I hereby promise and swear I will convert to Catholicism if the Pope declares a crusade on Islam and recruits a crusader army.

(serious. I'll do it.)

“Those who benefit from the pope’s comments and drive their own arrogant policies should be targeted with attacks and protests,” he said, referring to the United States.

Aren't they, in fact, fulfilling the prophecy?

Does that irony only fall on laypeople such as ourselves? Where's our newsmedia?

How many times will we down play the declaration of war?

The only reason the mullahs do nothing is because they don't have nukes yet, and despite the wonderful new military 'technologies' their army is still crap. An offensive from the US allows mullahs to prove to disapproving citizens that the US is indeed the aggressor. An Iranian attack would likely not garner the support from home the mullahs need.

I was out looking at ammo today. Knowing very little, I'm interested to know:

what's better for hunting, deer, for instance?
-smaller 130 grain .223 hollow point
OR
-larger 150 grain .223 flat point?

" In Iran,...Ayatollah Ali Khamenei... argued that ...the pope depict(ed) them as terrorists..."

Right on, Ali...hey, don't you know gunning down unarmed Nuns is considered a murderous, terrorist act, not an act of a RoP.

Same for blowing up buildings and jets, kidnapping journalists and forcing them to convert at the point of sword, etc etc.

You know when the American public is going to get serious about confronting islam? When the [bigoted word]s start attacking football games.

I'd like to put a sarc tag on that, but I'm serious.

31 Jack:

Right...Exactly...Thx for the correction...I knew i heard those fighting words before...

“Those who benefit from the pope’s comments and drive their own arrogant policies should be targeted with attacks and protests,” he said, referring to the United States.

Are we sure he was not referring to himself and others like him?

Fear is the beginning of wisdom
- W. T. Sherman
~

#22 rythmstick

How can Mahmoud Ahmadinejad be allowed here, wasn't he involved in the hostage taking back in '79?

No, the question is - why is he not under arrest? For fuck's sake, Manuel Noriega never
took the US embassy hostage for a year and a half- and he's been in prison for years.

Mr. Bush, answer the question, please.

#37 mama winger

Yep, I'm afraid you're probably right there.

#35

for whitetail: -smaller 130 grain .223 hollow point

That's my guess and I'm sticking to it.

Rationale: The mass x velocity = energy, so smaller, more velocity, less mass, equal energy, the two, but the hollow point may perform better terminally speaking.

A call by the head mullah to attack "those who benefit from the Pope's comments"? The ones who benefit are the radical Islamists, who use every excuse to pretend that somebody is out to destroy Islam and its billion and a half adherents. They use every excuse, even a misinterpreted few words in which the Pope quoted a centuries-old statement to show the reason and importance of dialog.

If the ones who benefit from this misinterpretation of the Pope's words are to be attacked, then it is the radical Islamists who should be attacked.

Ali Khamenei, who is the Iranian "Supreme Leader", the equivalent of Nazi Germany's Fuhrer (which means leader) and Fascist Italy's Il Duce (which has a similar meaning), seems to be the essence of the leader of Islamofascism. If his words are to be taken literally, it is he that is the one who gains from the misinterpretation of the Pope's quotation indicating the need for dialog. Attack the ones who gain, the top Islamofascist Fuhrer demands. Well, he is the one who gains.

Sudan: 200,000 dead at the hands of Muslims - I am outraged and demand an apology.

I'm getting a little sick of this mooslem shit.

#19 bryan

Oppressive taxes on non-Muslims in majority Islam countries/regions.

Maybe that would wake up Americans?!

[Link: www.foundingfathers.info...]

[Link: www.foundingfathers.info...]

As a Jew, I hereby promise and swear I will convert to Catholicism if the Pope declares a crusade on Islam and recruits a crusader army.

Well, you should take a closer look at the Second Vatican Council, which stated that:

About the Moslems The Church regards Moslems with esteem: they adore the one God, living and enduring, the all-powerful Creator of heaven and earth who has spoken to people; they strive to obey wholeheartedly His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham did, to whose faith they happily link their own.

And:

[Link: www.vatican.va...]

In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God

This is what I understand them to be saying

"We are peaceful, and if you say different, we are going to beat you up."

If they weren't actively pursuing nuclear weapons, the irony of this, and the implicit humor would be delicious. Since they are serious, we need to consider the impact of not neutering their effort. When you screw up in a historical context, it takes a very long time for history to right itself again along a sensible path, assuming it ever does.

targeted with attacks

Nope. No terrorists here.

#45 Distant Thunder

Amen.

And Beslan. I am outraged and demand an apology. warning - upsetting

[Link: clarityandresolve.com...]

#33 gnome chom ski

As a Jew, I hereby promise and swear I will convert to Catholicism if the Pope declares a crusade on Islam and recruits a crusader army.

This is pathetic. Ironically, most religions, including Catholicism and Judaism expect a convert to be sincere.

The one major religion that doesn't seem to give a damn about sincerity is Islam ( witness all the gunpoint conversions of hostages, for example).

Also, true Bhuddist master or Hindu guru would probably tell you to go home and be a better Jew.

#19 bryan999

jizya

more

Still more

While searching YouTube for William Shatner videos for use in torturing detainees at Club Gitmo I came upon this clip.

Which is what I think someone should do to the mass-murdering psychos presently running Iran into the ground.

(Or they could be hung from a crane.)

#25 ft
#43 imploder

However, a 2:1 mix could be good. Sometimes the little buggers hide behind Kevlar trees.

I'm not sure, but I don't think you hunt deer with hollow point bullets.

I hope that the staff at the place he eats at gives us the pleasure of, at the very least, peeing in his soup.

/Nah, can't post this, too rude... ah screw it.

I'm getting me a pet pig. I will teach it to be a guard pig, and attack pig. If the world is going to let these maniacs call all the shots and take over, I had better protect myself.

Listen, I'd like to see this guy frog-marched and put on trial for the 70's hostage thing as much as anyone, but he is here to visit the UN. I hate the UN too, but we can't go around arresting our enemies every time they come to speak at the UN.

Now if he were vacationing in Aspen or something, it would be different, but he is a world leader on a diplomatic mission to the UN.

#35 flyover_templar

Those bullet weights you're asking about seem a little heavy for a .223

130-150 grain is more like .270 territory?

These asshats have been chanting "death to America" for the last 30 plus years. I'm getting pretty tired of their rehashed BS.

I do not understand what we have done to them that they hate so much. Even the largest monetary transfer in the history of man (from the West to the Middle East for oil) isn't enough for them.

Their demand is getting clearer with every passing day - convert or die infidels – all of you. If they insist on attacking us I think we owe it to every civilized country in the world to let them have it right between the eyes.

So, allright, goddammit, bring it already Khamenei, you little man. I'm not in the friggin' CIA, so I'm not limited to slapping your belly and grabbing your shirt. I'm an engineer, and what I come up with will at the very least involve electricity and automation.

#59 ArcherB

we can't go around arresting our enemies every time they come to speak at the UN.

Why not?

#54 The Other Les 9/18/2006 07:26PM PDT

While searching YouTube for William Shatner videos for use in torturing detainees at Club Gitmo I came upon this clip.

I won't watch it again.

Uncle..uncle...

#59 ArcherB

Duude, You're harshing our buzz.

OT: Muslim racism, supremacy, prejudice, misogeny and sexism: Just The Dating Game to the NY Times!

It’s Muslim Boy Meets Girl, Yes, but Please Don’t Call It Dating

James Estrin/The New York Times

At a “Matrimonial Banquet,” single Muslim American men spent seven minutes at each table. Fatima Alim, 50, talked with her son, Suehaib, a 26-year-old pharmacist who had travelled from Houston for the event.

By NEIL MacFARQUHAR
Published: September 19, 2006
CHICAGO — So here’s the thing about speed dating for Muslims.

Many American Muslims — or at least those bent on maintaining certain conservative traditions — equate anything labeled “dating” with hellfire, no matter how short a time is involved. Hence the wildly popular speed dating sessions at the largest annual Muslim conference in North America were given an entirely more respectable label. They were called the “Matrimonial Banquet.”

“If we called it speed dating, it will end up with real dating,” said Shamshad Hussain, one of the organizers, grimacing.

Both the banquet earlier this month and various related seminars underscored the difficulty that some American Muslim families face in grappling with an issue on which many prefer not to assimilate. One seminar, called “Dating,” promised attendees helpful hints for “Muslim families struggling to save their children from it.”

The couple of hundred people attending the dating seminar burst out laughing when Imam Muhamed Magid of the Adams Center, a collective of seven mosques in Virginia, summed up the basic instructions that Muslim American parents give their adolescent children, particularly males: “Don’t talk to the Muslim girls, ever, but you are going to marry them. As for the non-Muslim girls, talk to them, but don’t ever bring one home.”
“These kids grew up in America, where the social norm is that it is O.K. to date, that it is O.K. to have sex before marriage,” Imam Magid said in an interview. “So the kids are caught between the ideal of their parents and the openness of the culture on this issue.”

The questions raised at the seminar reflected just how pained many American Muslims are by the subject. One middle-aged man wondered if there was anything he could do now that his 32-year-old son had declared his intention of marrying a (shudder) Roman Catholic. A young man asked what might be considered going too far when courting a Muslim woman.

Panelists warned that even seemingly innocuous e-mail exchanges or online dating could topple one off the Islamic path if one lacked vigilance. “All of these are traps of the Devil to pull us in and we have no idea we are even going that way,” said Ameena Jandali, the moderator of the dating seminar.

Hence the need to come up with acceptable alternatives in North America, particularly for families from Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, where there is a long tradition of arranged marriages.

One panelist, Yasmeen Qadri, suggested that Muslim mothers across the continent band together in an organization called “Mothers Against Dating,” modeled on Mothers Against Drunk Driving. If the term “arranged marriage” is too distasteful to the next generation, she said, then perhaps the practice could be Americanized simply by renaming it “assisted marriage,” just like assisted living for the elderly.

“In the United States we can play with words however we want, but we are not trying to set aside our cultural values,” said Mrs. Qadri, a professor of education.

Basically, for conservative Muslims, dating is a euphemism for premarital sex. Anyone who partakes risks being considered morally louche, with their marriage prospects dimming accordingly, particularly young women.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

#19

the jizya tax...

you wonder why they were so "tolerant" of christians and jews in moor-controlled spain? chrisitans and jews were their economic base for cryin' out loud.

#15 Fjordman

I don't want them to like me, I want them to fear me.

Maybe the greatest fear is the fear of the unknown? They have never publicly acknowledged (other than through CAIR) that there millions upon millions of relatively quiet, hard-working people with integrity in the U.S. who are slowly reaching a boiling point over this onslaught. The MSM calls us “flyover folks” or “redstaters”, or much worse. Most of us have families that we are not, and will never be willing to subject to this evil. Many of us are of military heritage, or are just people who have carved out a nice life in the greatest democracy the world has ever witnessed. Almost all of us are unspeakably proud to be Americans, and will defend and protect our country to the end. The terror mongers and appeasers have waved us off as irrelevant and misguided. In my opinion, they are making a critical and ultimately fatal miscalculation. A message to those who wish harm and destruction upon our families, communities and country - we are waiting for you.

I do not understand what we have done to them that they hate so much.

You're non-Muslim and more successful than them. End of story.

Ande they don't hate you as much as they despise you for being a paper tiger.

My bad; I was also looking at 308 stuff as well, must be having them mixed up.

The .223 was sold in standard "NATO" round canisters you need a can opener to get into. A smaller package had hollow points with a significantly lower grain.

I'm considering picking up a AR-15 to do some 'plinking' and am wondering about decent ammo, for deer, of course, which may be wearing kevlar vests.

/FT

As Mahmoud Ahmadinejad enjoys a nice dinner somewhere in New York the night before his speech at the UN

I hope that SOB chokes on a piece of ham.

/yeah, i said ham

He argued that while the pope may have been deceived into making his remarks,

Hmmm, passive voice. So just who may have deceived the Pope into making those remarks?

59- Archer

but we can't go around arresting our enemies every time they come to speak at the UN

We can do anything we have the WILL to do. The bigger question is...WHY don't we have the will to do it?

Cox and Forkum..on target as always:

[Link: www.coxandforkum.com...]

Also, true Bhuddist master or Hindu guru would probably tell you to go home and be a better Jew.

I am more concerned with being a LIVING Jew than a "better" Jew. If anyone, anywhere, would be willing to step up to the plate and take a real swing for the fences against the RoP, I'd be willing to join up. If that "anyone" would be the Pope, so be it; I'm in. I take it from the 1/2-apologia that it isn't going to be him; still waiting for my savior...

#54 The Other Les

Actually that was pretty good.

I thought you were posting "Rocket Man" again.

#59 Archer B
At least we would have a justifiable reason for doing so. Turkey on the other hand would like to arrest the pope for words that were said (not actions that were taken) outside of their country.

CAIRO, Egypt (AP)
"The secretary-general of the Turkish HUKUK-DER law association submitted a request to the Justice Ministry asking that the pope be arrested upon entering Turkey."

#10 BulgarWheat

He already looks like an ape.

We dont need the Pope's words as an excuse to supress Islam, Khamenei's words are doing fine on their own.

So the Pope quotes something that is meant to show the need for dialog, and the Supreme Ayatollah Persian Islamofascist says that this is reason enough to attack the US. This shows that the Supreme Islamofascist just looks for any old excuse to call for attacks against the US. It shows that his excuses and alibis mean nothing at all; he just wants to call for attacks against the US and will use even the feeblest of excuses. The US does not tell the Pope what to say, and the Pope's words have been completely and deliberately misinterpreted. That has got to be one very very feeble excuse for advocating an attack against the US.

But the Supreme Islamofascist Ali Khamenei doesn't really need an excuse. There is in Iran an official Death to America Day, the only country in the world in which such an official day exists. The Supreme Islamofascist and his flunkies want to incite against the US, and don't really need any reason to do so.

I have plenty of 'jizya' for any Khameni, Dinnerjacket, or any other A-rab.

/FT

I hearby call for worldwide demonstrations and attacks on Iran, Saudi Arabia and muslims everywhere.

Cool. I like saying that. I feel empowered. Not as empowered as the shooters that plugged the 70-year old nun in the children's hospital in the back, mind you, but empowered nonetheless.

The Death Cult won't be satisfied till they have their showdown. There is no mollifying these thugs. Let's roll.

#15 Fjordman

Sentiment well put and echoed, increasingly so these days as the same tired old rhetoric keeps recurring. Someone needs to get the proverbial paddle out and smack some spoiled kiddies butts. As many a fathers have asked their wayward children, "You want me to give you something to cry about?"

#22 rythymstick

How can Mahmoud Ahmadinejad be allowed here, wasn't he involved in the hostage taking back in '79?

He's coming here to get a blowjob from Jimmy Carter.

#68 Cartman

But the big, unspoken question is what will the U.S. government do when the American people reach the boiling point?

Will our multinational, multicultural elitists react the same as Europe's, and make criminals out of Americans defending ourselves?

68 cartman

millions upon millions of relatively quiet, hard-working people with integrity in the U.S. who are slowly reaching a boiling point over this onslaught.

Great point. And I would add this, I work in a very pro-union, pro Democrat manufacturing facility. And the talk around the coffee machine from many of the blue collars is, well, I'll just say the word "glass" comes up.

And I the lonely anti-idiotarian chide them for that line of thinking. Indeed the patience is growing thin.

Meanwhile, Drudge reports that NBC is going to air Madonna's "crucifixion" concert during sweeps week.

Seethe with me, fellow Christians! Let's burn...something...or...maybe just not watch?

This is why Islam is winning. We're all too damn domesticated.

Let me see if I have this straight...

We are going to throw nukes at each other because their god sez we're scum and our god sez turn the other cheek? I got an idea, why dont we have a celebrity death match between God and Allah.

This whole religion thing is really getting out of hand.

Cartman:

They have never publicly acknowledged (other than through CAIR) that there millions upon millions of relatively quiet, hard-working people with integrity in the U.S. who are slowly reaching a boiling point over this onslaught.

The terror mongers and appeasers have waved us off as irrelevant and misguided. In my opinion, they are making a critical and ultimately fatal miscalculation.

They listen to our media and our political elites, and fail to understand that there is an ideological civil war within the West. The chattering classes, who are weak and pathetic, do not represent the entire population. This is at least as true in Europe as it is in North America, which is why I don't believe there will be a peaceful Islamic takeover here, if at all.

What's the big deal?!

Most of us have families that we are not, and will never be willing to subject to this evil.

Our number one American Value is LIFE - and the right to preserve it at all costs.

# 76 rickl

Actually that was pretty good.

I thought you were posting "Rocket Man" again

He almost dead on captures the attitude of a character that I use in writing Traveller fan fiction, also named Denny, except my guy always aims for the head.

By the way, this gives the lie to those who think that the only fanatic in the leadership of Iran is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who called for wiping Israel off the map, and who told his followers to imagine a world without America and that this is within the realm of possibility. We see that the Supreme Leader of Iran, the Fuhrer so to speak, is also a fanatic who calls for attacks against America when he doesn't like what the Pope said. And there is their Death to America Day in Iran. What a bunch of crazies they are. Should they be getting the nuclear jihad option? I wouldn't want to gamble on the safety of our mega-population cities if the mad mullahs had nuclear weapons. There is no such thing as deterrence with this death-cult bunch.

#70 flyover_templar

Pretty much any modern centerfire rifle cartridge will defeat a soft vest up to threat level III-A w/o plates.

Mrs. Right-

I'd burn my Madonna CD's but I don't keep that kind of crap in the house...or anywhere else.

Hurricane Warning issued for the Azores, last hit by Hurricane Charley in 1992.

Also an El Niño year.

Hurricane Nodrog

BTW, Nodrog will be undergoing extratropical transition as it approaches Northern Spain or France, but will still likely produce winds at least gusting over hurricane force, maybe even sustained hurricane force, near the coast.

#56 Noam Sayin'

I'm not sure, but I don't think you hunt deer with hollow point bullets.

Not if you plan on eating it anyway.

/a step below hunting Bambi with a RPG

Just a thought...

Isaiah 1:18 (KJV) (King James English Bible translation of Scripture from the Vulgate, which, is a Latin translation of the Greek Septuagint, which is a translation from the Hebrew Scriptures dating to circa the 3d to 1st Centuries BC - the translation date, not the Hebrew Scripture date)

The Lord [of the Jews and Christians] said, "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

Can any Muslim scholar or cleric rectify this passage from a major Prophet of God with the Muslim outrage regarding the quotation of the Pope?

Can any Muslim scholar or cleric reasonably debate the words of the 14th century emporer who uttered that quote in light of Scriptures which Mohammed himself regarded as the Holy Word of the Lord?

From a purely analytical perspective, today's Islam has a massive intellectual and Theological challenge which they must publicly and analytically address before blindly calling for the bloody slaughter of those who dare choose to follow the Lord by using the reasoning skills that He gave to us as Holy beings created in His own image.

# 88 Mrs. Right

I try to ignore Madonna.

She's basically the definitional example of an Uberskank for me.

Yuk.

Just checked out the Amazon page for "While Europe Slept.

The Best Value (i.e. buy a 2nd book which Amazon recommends as the companion volume, for a discount) gets you a copy of "Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity"

Not Londonistan. Not Eurabia.
"Stealing Jesus". That is what Amazon thinks is the companion volume to While Europe Slept.

PC Police at Amazon? Or CAIR buying the two books in pairs on Amazon? You decide.

makes perfect sense... so the next time some random Jihadi Jim starts waxing poetically about the needed 'end of the Great Satan' we are fully justified in nuking Mecca and/or tehran...?

"message recieved Mr. Mufti"

#97 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

What's the latest on Helene?

/Philadelphia area resident

It's the Sheep, the Sheepdogs, and wolves. The sheep are almost always resentful and fearful of the sheepdogs, but when the wolves approach - the sheep hide behind the sheepdogs.

The sheep should never be mistaken for sheepdogs - completely different temperment.

Pres. Bush - sheepdog - capable of great violence with a love for others.

Clinton - sheep - only looking out for himself.

Wolves - radical Muslims, who have a penchant for violence with no love for their fellow man.

All of the Ummah and her apologists has failed to provide even one single "Fisking" of the Pope's speech. The. Truth. Hurts.

Instead we've seen one example after another of shouting down the opponent, issuing threats, and inane seething. But still not one single thoughtful response.

A mountain of volunteered evidence delivered in the last week only goes to prove exactly what Pope Bennedict said.

His crime? Speaking the truth.

Wunnaful. A CAIR spokesman is on the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer explaining that the Pope has no understanding of Islam. Too bad that someone with greater knowledge of Islam wasn't present. (To give the devil his due, the CAIR guy had a certain suaveness--veritably a wolf in sheep's clothing). To the credit of the gentleman interviewed along with Mr. Suave (I'm afraid I didn't catch the name of either one), he said that the violent demonstrations against the Pope's statements were exactly what the Pope was talking about in his address.

Ramadan and Rosh Hashanah both begin on 9-23 this year. I think that's one reason why the Jihadimuslims are mouthing off so much.

Cry havok and let slip the infidel dogs of war!

Never bring a cowardly suicide bomber to a world war son.

"We are the Religion of Peace, and if you say anything we don't like, we'll kill you!"

Yep, that about sums it up.

#88 Mrs. Right

And the stiff-shirts at NBC wonder why they're tanking in the ratings? As if we needed more proof as to why networks are dinosaurs going extinct...

These cowards are just continuing to get on my nerves, we really just need to give them a good smackdown. I prefer to remain among the living but there's no way in hell I will ever convert to their damn death cult.

I'll die with my honor intact, thank you. I'm a Christian and forever will be one.

As for Turkey trying to arrest the Pope...I'd like to see them get past the Swiss Guard, especially since he's not there for the silly, evil government but for the Christians in the area.

The Pope is a spiritual man, he's not trying to jump in with the whole political game.

Islam disgusts me and their hypocritical, murdering ways just need to be stopped as soon as possible.

I really do believe that this power struggle needs to end if we are going to survive. These people hate all non-muslims and specifically want to kill off Christians and Jews!

#86 rickl

But the big, unspoken question is what will the U.S. government do when the American people reach the boiling point?

That depends largely upon when that event occurs. If it is post-November and the leftists have regained a majority within our legislative branch, all bets are off. Be prepared right away for the desecration of the 2nd Amendment. The left (most Dems) are salivating at the total disarmament of America. George Soros and others are leading the charge. And the motives behind their methods are unmistakable. A "neutered" society will never be capable of defending itself in the event of massive domestic threat. Thus, the path would be clear for paving the road to the Gramscian/Islamist "new world order". These indeed are interesting and dangerous times we live in.

You know, not to be crass or anything but didn't we fry about 150,000 Japanese about 60 years ago for less? Where's another Harry Truman when you need him?
And if Natalie were President here is the 2nd thing I would do (after telling the U.N. they've got 48 hours to get their asses out of my country):

My fellow Iranians,

We are a peaceful people here in the U.S. For the most part, we have a sense of community, are welcome to strangers, and are good folk. We have tried mightily to at the least live in peace with Iran - but we have failed. We do not wish the peaceful Iranians of your land to be hurt. But your tyrannical and incompetent leadership has brought us to the brink of war with you and left us no choice.

If there is one episode of violence on American soil, or another threat to our citizens from your deluded Pres. I'm a Knobjob, or to the Pope, and the damage can in anyway be linked to Iranian clerics, The United States of America will be forced to declare war.

And from me, the Commander in Chief, I am not going to sacrifice one American soldier while invoking the maximum damage to Iran that our beloved country can administer. I will let you interpret that as you wish. But mind you: Like Vulcans, I never bluff. Your future is in your hands. Choose wisely, young Skywalkers.

Richard John Neuhaus writes: Herewith a potpourri of reflections on the Regensburg lecture by Pope Benedict and reactions to it, intermixed with a bit of my own commentary.

Does anyone else out there think that another attack in our country is coming? I'm very concerned.

There has been really excessive police in the NYC subway lately. I've seen flyers telling me "What to do in the event of a train evacuation". There have been more PA announcements "If you see something, say something". Maybe I'm just a being paranoid.

Then there is that message about [bigoted word]s being warned to get out of the US.

BOLTON FOR PRESIDENT

/no more cowardice in Washington

#101 find your violent jihadi on ebay!

The Best Value (i.e. buy a 2nd book which Amazon recommends as the companion volume, for a discount) gets you a copy of "Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity"

Bawer wrote both books.

I suspect this Muslim bullshit is aggregating in the hearts of Americans, if not Europeans, and one of these days, Alice, one of these days...

BANG! ...ZOOM!

I hate to say this, but if a radical Muslim did murder Pope Benedict, I doubt the far left in this country would even care.

But throw a pair of panties at a jihadiot, and the far left goes insane with rage at this "torture."

We're in deep trouble :(

#101 find your violent jihadi on ebay!

Welcome! Great handle.

Both books are written by the same author. Bruce Bawer is gay, thus a bit hostile to the religious right.

"Pat Robertson wants to stop me from getting married. These guys want to drop a wall on me", or something close to it.

112- Cartman

No matter how angry we are about open borders, we still have to VOTE.

That was spot on Mr.Footballs.
In my previous post I refered to the Muslim P.O.S as a ...rag wearing person... and it appeared as 'Arab'.
Thank you Mr.Footballs...I almost made an ass of myself. I will do my level best Not to lower myself to Huffzbullah name calling.
I'm going to go sit in the corner now...

#120 Abdullah al-Libi

Who gives a crap about what the far-left thinks? Seriously!

A few seats will be exhanged in the house and the senate, but guess what?

The administration holds on!

Fly-over country understands what's going on!

Odds down to 20% and probably headed lower for Helene. May repeat the Bermuda/Newfoundland slamming of Florence, however.

Here is a great editorial from the LA Times, no less, by an avowed leftist. I think another anti-idiotarian just hatched. link

But my correspondence with liberals has convinced me that liberalism has grown dangerously out of touch with the realities of our world — specifically with what devout Muslims actually believe about the West, about paradise and about the ultimate ascendance of their faith.

On questions of national security, I am now as wary of my fellow liberals as I am of the religious demagogues on the Christian right.

This may seem like frank acquiescence to the charge that "liberals are soft on terrorism." It is, and they are.

#122 Stuck-in-CA

No matter how angry we are about open borders, we still have to VOTE.

Of course. Yet, that's not enough, IMO. Active involvement in pursuit of the defeat of "the appeasers" is paramount.

Looks like it's almost jackass season.

It's just unbelievable that a group of people, who have a holy book full of violent and treacherous text (they can read it can't they?), feel empowered to attack the head of another religion (which they claim to respect and to want respect from) when he references comments made by someone else who is long since dead regarding their religion which are factual.

If someone falsely claims that their prophet endorsed violence – they answer by becoming violent, well maybe just more violent than normal (er… actually as violent as normal, just focusing on the Pope this week)

It's just an excuse to further their goals, which again are clearly stated in the aforementioned text. In the meantime, the rest of the world just sits and watches and waits until they do something else so incomprehensible that we have to act again.

#120 Abdullah al-Libi
I assure you the MSM and the NYTs in particular, would blame Christians if the Pope was assisinated by the loons. Just like they would blame America for the assisination of Bush. The LLL is delusional. This is not an exaggeration or hyperbole. There is a true mental illness among a significant portion of Western Civilization. Think David Gregory.

Anyone home..my head is spinning. I just got back from a screening of "White Rose" about the German students who handed out secret anti-Fuhrer leaflets and were executed in 1943..I'm just freaking out.

You all have to see it and read the book. The film is outstanding. This was a special screening in support of the Canadian Coalition for Democracies.

PEOPLE-it's really 1939 again. A totalitarian madman whips the natives up into a frenzy-people laugh him off. This time-this one might have nuclear weapons.

People, the Islamist Krystallnach is coming.

You might not believe it, but believe me, I've been observing, and they are setting the date.

Are you ready?

Please remember that Islam has all sorts of action groups, from the polical to the propandist, to the common infiltrationists, the sentries, the executioners.

Bill O'Reilly had a "moderate Muslim" on his show earlier tonight, and in his rather simple way he told this sharp shirt that if all Muslims were like him, we wouldn't have to worry about Islam.

Ironically, the public affairs Islamist disagreed with the statement, and was subsequently shut down by O'Reilly the simpleton. This guy was voluntarily outing himself as a head-chopping sociopath, and O'Reilly wanted to move on. Pathetic.

Look around you. Have you seen a blind ME man with a white cane that whips his head around while negotiating the streets in your neighborhood? You'd better find out whether or not he's really a blind Muslim, or if he's a covert spy assessing the neighborhood resistance.

Don't trust Islam. They don't trust you, they want to kill you. The moderates may be out there, but they are overwhelmed by the radicalists.

DO NOT BE FOOLED. It's us or them. Who do you want to win?

"The pope's words have caused a deep wound in the hearts of Muslims that won't heal for a long time, and then only after a clear apology to Muslims," Egypt's religious affairs minister, Mahmoud Hamdi Zaqzouq, wrote in a column in the government daily Al-Ahram on Monday.

So they're saying they are unforgiving. We know that - because their inferior Allah does not provide for graciousness - being given something that one has not earned nor deserved. A strict code of justice is ugly and harsh...as we see that blackness of their hearts.

#59 ArcherB

Listen, I'd like to see this guy frog-marched and put on trial for the 70's hostage thing as much as anyone, but he is here to visit the UN. I hate the UN too, but we can't go around arresting our enemies every time they come to speak at the UN.

Not everytime, just once per person. He didn't exactly follow protocol in 1979. Not sure any of that is a capital crime, but we could hold him blindfolded for 444 days, and limit his visitors to Jimmy Carter and Walter Cronkite.

And make him convert to Christianity before release.

#86 rickl

But the big, unspoken question is what will the U.S. government do when the American people reach the boiling point?

This really is THE question. My guess is since no beaurocrat likes to be shown ineffective, they wouldn't be happy if their calls for calm , a carefully measured response, and we've got it handled fall on deaf ears. Look at the initial reaction to the Minutemen on the southern border.

#112 Cartman
[if the Dems get in] Be prepared right away for the desecration of the 2nd Amendment. The left (most Dems) are salivating at the total disarmament of America. George Soros and others are leading the charge.

I'm sure they want this but if they get in (perish the thought) I don't see it happening. I believe the tipping point on this particular issue was the sunset of the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban. Mo' (Not the one who wears the bomb turban) is with us on this at the moment.

If the Pope is afraid to be a Catholic, he should leave the office.

#70 flyover_templar

.223 is what one uses to thin the population of prairie dogs and coyotes. Yes, we use it in the US Armed Forces in our M16's, M4's, and M249's (my favorite), but only because the ammo loads are light, and an M249 with one soldier replaces the grazing fire of an M60 with a three-man crew for the same purpose of pinning the enemy down for artilliary fire.

For a deer, (essentially a man-sized target) one should use a .30 caliber-type round (.308, 30-06, .302, etc) for maximum effectiveness and range with minimum suffering (and minimum damage to valuable meat - when hunting animals-).

For minimum suffering to humans, the maximum appropriate caliber should be used (in accordance with approved ammunition according to international treaties signed by BOTH sides).

In my business, this kind of problem is best dealt with using the acronym "BRASS."

Breathe
Relax
Aim
Stop breathing
Squeeeze the trigger

About these immunized diplomats in New York . . .

Since we've generously gifted prime Manhattan real estate to that cringe-worthy institution the U.N. and accepted its rules regarding access for accredited diplomats, we're stuck with these odious guests. Castro in his clown suit lecturing on American imperialism. Yasser Arafat weighing in at the World Conference on Racism. What else? I don't pay enough attention.

We've hosted it long enough. Let's let some deserving, non-imperialistic country that would never ever dream of illegally arresting its enemies and that needs the custom of overpaid, underworked lackeys have a go at it? Tripoli, anyone? Who'd like to be posted to Shenzhen, China for a year? Surely Kampala beckons? No?

/Humor off. I want the UN out of the US and vice versa.

DinnerJacket Preparing His Speech in Iran Last Week

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#134 brick

Are you a member of the NRA? Have you followed closely the crap the left has waiting in the legislative wings? There is nothing to indicate that they will not push for another ban, of one sort or the other. They are "primed", if you'll pardon the pun.

#135 pat

Hear, Hear!

Here is the key passage from the Pope's speech. At the University of Regensburg, the Pope said:

The dialogue ranges widely over the structures of faith contained in the Bible and in the Koran, and deals especially with the image of God and of man, while necessarily returning repeatedly to the relationship of the "three Laws": the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Koran.

In this lecture I would like to discuss only one point -- itself rather marginal to the dialogue itself -- which, in the context of the issue of "faith and reason," I found interesting and which can serve as the starting point for my reflections on this issue.

In the seventh conversation ("diálesis" -- controversy) edited by professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the jihad (holy war). The emperor must have known that sura 2:256 reads: "There is no compulsion in religion." It is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under [threat]. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Koran, concerning holy war.

Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the "infidels," he turns to his interlocutor somewhat brusquely with the central question on the relationship between religion and violence in general, in these words: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

The emperor goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably ("syn logo") is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death..."

I marked the "quotations from a Medieval text" in bold. Later, the Pope said:

At this time, I wish also to add that I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims.

These in fact were a quotation from a Medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought.

Why not?

I'm betting I could detonate the stock-issue suicide bomber belt from about 200 yards with just my lowly .243 WIN/4x12 Leupold combo.

If I was facing a serious "wave" I'd probably opt for the 7mm Rem Mag/Leupold 6.5x20 combo. They'd 'splode before they ever heard the rifle's report. I'm good on a man-sized center-mass to about 300 with that beeotch.

Bring 'em on.

I need to sight in for deer season.

#92 DistantThunder - "Our number one American Value is LIFE - and the right to preserve it OUR LIVES at all costs.
There, fixed that for ya.

The Dead Thread!

A daytime look at the nightly goings-on at LFG.

One more attack on the US and it's goodnight Vienna to the Muslim world as we/they know it.

#131 really grumpy

Ironically, the public affairs Islamist disagreed with the statement, and was subsequently shut down by O'Reilly the simpleton. This guy was voluntarily outing himself as a head-chopping sociopath, and O'Reilly wanted to move on. Pathetic.

I caught that too. I was stunned, I expected O'Reilly to stop and say, "What was that?" Exposing that MPAC jihadi symp would have made for great tv. But no, O'Stupid was already talking over him in order to go to his next question. Talk about a lost opportunity.

131 really grumpy big dog johnson

Ironically, the public affairs Islamist disagreed with the statement, and was subsequently shut down by O'Reilly the simpleton.

I can't stand to watch any more of his rigged 2 minute WoT debates in which he always plays king of the yellow line with his daily stooges guests. Is he that much of a simpleton, or just a ratings whore?

I'd rather watch Al Franken. He's a much bigger idiot, but at least he argues a point without staking out the middle ground every f-ing time.

He argued that while the pope may have been deceived into making his remarks, the words give the West an “excuse for suppressing Muslims” by depicting them as terrorists.

“Those who benefit from the pope’s comments and drive their own arrogant policies should be targeted with [terrorist] attacks and protests,” he said, referring to the United States.

Must be the inbreeding.

Some Popes were even less kind to Muslims than Byzantine Emperors. Start rioting Abdullah.

LETTRE A MAHOMET II, Pope Pius II, 1462AD

(Mohammadanism) developed because of its adaptability (to the base instincts); it authorized both that men take as many wives as they wished and abandon them at their pleasure, and Saracens could take many voluptuous concubines, and the cult celebrated all corporeal appetites of the palate - except for drink - prescribing enjoyment of all worldly pleasures. Indeed, even if your religion imposes a few periods of fasting, these are only prescribed to sharpen the lusts of the fanatics, since Mohammadans fast only during the day and feast all night. It is prudent that the use of wine is prohibited as it would be harmful (de-hydrating) in a hot, desert land like Arabia, where fresh (non-alcoholic) drinks are better utilized. Here again, Mohammad concocts prohibitions only to ensure reinforcement of its central dogmas: promoting only what his audience wants to hear - particularly the rabble that served (Mohammad) as his beasts of burden - and above all, panderage met the hopes of the fanatics.

#126 mich-again - great link and great post. Thanks!

28 1AmeriCAN

It's just unbelievable that a group of people, who have a holy book full of violent and treacherous text (they can read it can't they?), f

eel empowered to attack the head of another religion

(which they claim to respect and to want respect from) when he references comments made by someone else who is long since dead regarding their religion which are factual.

Yes, they are that uppity ... for now.

#140 Cartman

Are you a member of the NRA? Have you followed closely the crap the left has waiting in the legislative wings? There is nothing to indicate that they will not push for another ban, of one sort or the other. They are "primed", if you'll pardon the pun.

Not at the moment. Didn't renew after LaPierre took over.

As for the left, they're always primed (excellent pun, BTW) for another grab at the big brass 10-ring. Let me posit this to you...(purely rhetorical)

Tomorrow by some horrible twist of fate, all arms are suddenly declared illegal with a 72 hour amnesty before they come with form 4473's in hand. Do you turn in your weapons? All of them? Depending on how you answer, determines the import you place on changes to existing firearms laws.

"His comments really hurt Muslims all over the world," Umar Nawawi of the radical Islamic Defenders' Front said in Jakarta. "We should remind him not to say such things which can only fuel a holy war."

That kind of reminds me of this one:

The spiritual leader of the Lodi mosque who was arrested in a sweep earlier this month admitted to the FBI that when he was in Pakistan he gave speeches to Muslims urging them to fight Americans in Afghanistan in the months following the September 11 attacks.
However, in his immigration hearing on Friday, Shabbir Ahmed told a judge that "it was a requirement of all imams. If you don't people turn against you. They sort of force you to say something."

Aw, hell, no time to get mushy.

150 realwest

Thanks for that, Bro. There is nothing quite as satisfying to read as a confession from a liberal that his compadres are completely off-base in the WoT. They can ignore the same message from us, but when one of their own shoots a spitball at them, it hurts.

/This video must be a favorite with the cult of islam/

#41 funkyfantom

Thanks for the clarification, which I agree. Maybe a side trip to Gitmo would be in order.

#73 Stuck-in-CA

Yes, the will, where is the will of our nation, and the world for that matter.

#85 Ward Cleaver

LMAO!

#154 mich-again - Your welcome. But when you said:"...when one of their own shoots a spitball at them, it hurts." My immediate, albeit optimistic, reaction was maybe it hurts several of them, and hurts them enough to finally engage their brains.
I know, I know, probably an exercise in wishful thinking, but still...

Carter should have wiped these bastards out in 1979.

#115 Kool Aid: I think another attack is inevitable. We're playing a game we can't win. For Islam, each attempted attack is win-tie. If they tie (the plot is foiled) they play again. They have essentially unlimited resources to keep playing.

Sooner or later, they'll score big.

My hope is that the next attack is both small enough that the Old Republic can survive*, but big enough to motivate us to fight as if we meant it.

*After a multi-city nuclear attack, I think some sort of David Duke or Lynon LaRouche skin-head neo-nazi regime would emerge here.

#138 squarepeg

Come on man! The vast majority of those New York residing UN diplomats are stuffing there faces in our best restaurants, drowning their sorrows in our top wateringholes and resting their asses in all of our theaters and concert houses.

If you want to try and squeeze the bad ones out thats fine...but lets not forget the payola these folks are dropping!

No. 159 Bearster

No, after a multi-city nuclear attack we will wipe islam from the face of the earth forever and we will go on as a nation and a people and a planet without those scum.

These people are just like Fire ants

Is there anything that does not cause a fire ant bed to swarm?

Drop a leaf on them---swarm
Blow wind on them ---swarm
raindrop--swarm
step near them--swarm
just be alive near them---swarm

These fanatics are no different.

If they're breathin, they're seethin

A tale of Mahmoud...

Let's suppose the Muslims pull off the explosion of a nuke in the U.S.

Here's what I'd expect:

#1: Various military resources are activated, short of an immediate retaliation.

#2: MSM freaks out, then starts checking itself with thoughts about not responding irrationally.

#3: Next day, in cities around the U.S., moonbats of all descriptions take to the streets (as they did in NYC on 9/12) claiming we (America) are really at fault for it and we must reach out in peace to our Muslim brothers to show that we're not going to over-react.

#4: Depending on the President in office at the time, the U.S. either does something roughly equivalent (in the following months) to some single Muslim nation, or does precisely nothing, calling for a criminal investigation, etc.

#5: The Muslims, after dancing in the streets and handing out ice cream to children in celebration, go back to plotting their next attack.

...it'll run something like that.

My theory is that it will take a HUGELY devastating blow to the U.S. -- I mean like multiple cities vaporized or something of an equal scale -- before we, as a nation, would ever consider a general attack on Islam as a civilization.

Anything between that, and where we are today, will essentially amount to tit-for-tat exchanges, with the Muslims gaining strength at every step.

163-Natalie
lol
Needs to be longer. I hope the creator makes it feature length; I'd watch the whole thing.

#159 bearster

I couldn't disagree more. This nation will never elect any Nazi nutbag like those you mentioned (and which I won't repeat). Even if we have several cities obliterated, this will remain America.

What I fear far more than any hardline racist kookiness, which is so unlikely, is the softline appeasement kookiness, which is already here. Imagine what the Harry Reids, Nancy Pelosis, Chuck Schumers and Russ Feingolds would say after a few cities are gone.

# 159 Bearster

*After a multi-city nuclear attack, I think some sort of David Duke or Lynon LaRouche skin-head neo-nazi regime would emerge here.

Which to say like Islam without the arabic frills.

In short they are other manefestations of the problem of folks with delusions of superiority desiring to play "god" with the lives of others.

And in being part of the problem they must then be included in the solution. (Les makes the motion of cutting the throat with the index finger.)

And if that is a bit too rough for some sensitive souls then go ahead and hit the cleanup button.

#126, that was a great link! I love to see people wake up!

# 164 rtheyserius

have you read The Three Conjectures?

This is a different world we live in and not for the better. Letting terrorist Ahmadinejad come here and even giving him a glass of water tells the world how weak we are and more worried about being PC then anything else. It makes me sick and furious at the same time.

His boss Ayatollah Ali Khamenei spewing away too.He knows he can say whatever he wants and nothing will happen. Oh how I wish saomething would to both of them as soon.

They worship death in their death cult, I say let's send them back to hell where they came from.

#158, Ojoe. In 1979 Carter couldn't find his own ass with both hands let alone wipin' any Iranians. Since that time his senility has progressed so that he just walks around spouting shit and is preceded by the smell.

I had this to say about the outcome of a multiple-nuke terrorist attack:

But if those double-damned murderers would pull their noses out of their korans and actually pay attention to the real world and real history they might notice something. That attempts by culturally 'eastern' nations or empires, such as Persia and Carthage, to destroy or conquer western nations, such as Greece and Rome, not only fail but fail catastrophically. An attack with 29 fission bombs on the Anglosphere nations in general or the United States in particular would kill about fifteen million civilians and leave several hundred million really, really, really angry Anglo-Americans with a largely intact industrial base and the best trained and equipped armed forces on the planet to serve as the cadre for a more massive volunteer force. When the rubble in the Dar el Islam stops bouncing I would expect that the Anglosphere nations will effectively OWN the planet and that Islam will be a faith practiced only in Hell.

Say hello to the Imperium America.

Part the 'nose in the koran' problem that appears to plague the mullahcrats is that their belief that 29 nukes may be sufficient to shatter our civilization may be the result of being mentally stuck in the master/slave culture box. Some of the 29 nukes, which would have to be delivered by smugglers instead of missiles, will be used to decapitate our political leadership. This would briefly stun us, but it would not totally paralyze us as it would if we were a master/slave culture like the Islamic states.

As a citizen ruled republic we can replace our own political leadership from our own ranks in short order. Something that the islamdroids stuck in the koranic master/slave paradigm may not be able to understand.

And Washington is not a 'holy city' for us. Even though they could wreck Washington, President Bush, or his successor, will still be able to govern effectively from behind a folding card table in a tent in the middle of a Kansas wheat field.

Of course, I won't say which Kansas wheat field.

Basically, I personally would like to see the adoption of the political and judicial system described by Robert A. Heinlein in his novel STARSHIP TROOPERS. (Get the book, not the movie.)

But that's another long rant...

#169, The Other Les

Thank you for the link. I've just read it.

It's some pretty good thinking, but I think it fails on the question of scale.

"the 'rational' American response to the initiation of terrorist WMD attack would be all out retaliation from the outset."

The meaning of "all out" is undefined in the article, and I do not get the sense that the author understands the breadth of Islam across the globe.

My earlier post, #164, is in relation to the destruction of Islam, not in mere relation to the destruction of a few, or more, Islamic focal points.

The world will not be rid of the Islamic threat until Islam itself is obliterated. Many posts here have called for a new Crusade. That, in no uncertain terms, will be what is needed, and it won't be achievable by the U.S. alone.

It's total, global warfare against an entrenched religion in many countries with over a billion adherents -- that's what will be needed.

My point is simply that, in order for that scale of a conflict to be undertaken by the U.S., it would require a near death blow to our nation, first. Otherwise, all the forces of "moderation" will cry out for restraint, and Islam will only grow stronger.

My underlying thesis is that a global, civilization scale contest is gathering between Islam and the 'West'. It's important to wrap one's head around what that means. It ain't just turning Iran into a parking lot. It's many orders of magnitude larger than that.

And we ain't nearly ready to do any such thing.

#160 experienced

Heh, I was thinking along those lines. But thanks to our evil free-market machinations, we in ruthlessly capitalistic AmeriKKKa are saved by the Law of Conservation of Big Spenders!

With those lovely grounds and buildings newly occupied by legitimate rent-paying tenants, New York's finest restaurants and swankiest watering holes could get a few customers who TIP and aren't immune from prosecution if they drunk-drive over your sous-chef on the way out! Non?

# 173 rtheyserius

I cover the basic program here.

It's not pretty.

#175 The Other Les

"...Systematic erratication..."

I hate to hear myself say it, but I must agree with you.

Good Lord, please let there be some other effective solution.

The thought of all the innocent lives, especially those of little children, grieves me terribly.

Unfortunately, it is not we, but Islam who is pressing this conflict, and the price in human suffering will be on their heads.

I just hate to see it. And I hope I don't live to see it. It's going to be horrible by any human standards.

what makes you think they misinterpreted the paragraph?

O.T.: New York for some reason is not like the rest of us.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, calls for worldwide protests and attacks against the United States.

Maybe later...seems a lot of Muslims are too busy attacking each other...

Arabs vs Africans in Somalia, Sudan crises

#171 gymnast

LOL

Very good carter assessment.

j

#146 Tasty Beverage

#131 really grumpy

Ironically, the public affairs Islamist disagreed with the statement, and was subsequently shut down by O'Reilly the simpleton. This guy was voluntarily outing himself as a head-chopping sociopath, and O'Reilly wanted to move on. Pathetic.

I caught that too. I was stunned, I expected O'Reilly to stop and say, "What was that?" Exposing that MPAC jihadi symp would have made for great tv. But no, O'Stupid was already talking over him in order to go to his next question. Talk about a lost opportunity.

I assure you, O'Reilly is kicking himself tonight for missing it. He simply missed it. That's all that happened there.

.

From what I've seen so far, the majority of Muslims do not even bother to differentiate among Christian groups.

Orthodox, Protestants, and Baptists do not consider the Pope to be authoritative or as the only (or official) spokesperson for Christendom.

Yet some of the Muslims have vandalized Orthodox places of worship, and some of them are calling for all-out jihad on all Christians everywhere, regardless of denomination.

I saw a Muslim in a news report a couple of days ago saying that Jews should be targeted too.

There are some Messianic Jews, but most do not believe in Jesus (not in the way Christians do).

So why target any Jews over remarks made by a Roman Catholic guy?

And why drag the U.S.A. into this? The Pope resides in Italy.

Obviously, I do not want any Roman Catholic Churches vandalized or the Pope harmed, but the fact that Muslims want to go after anyone and everyone who did not even have anything to do with the so-called "offensive" remark is... I don't even know what the word is.

Militants vow war over Pope comments

Excerpt:

Al-Qaeda militants in Iraq have vowed war on "worshippers of the cross" and protesters burned a papal effigy over Pope Benedict's comments on Islam, while Western churchmen and statesmen are trying to calm passions.

Christians do not "worship" the cross.

Anyway, Muslims have always persecuted Christians and they still do, but I'm supposed to believe that any acts of violence by them against Christians at this point is due to "Pope Benedict's comments on Islam" - sure.

Uh-huh. Riiight.

The Islamic wackos have never needed an excuse to kill Christians (or people from any other group).

These guys seem to see the world through their own press releases. How much does our media really represent America to the world? I know that it misrepresents a lot of it to Americans.

For example, they seem to have picked up the idea that the more people you have attend a demonstration, the more convincing your position will be.

Or maybe not, since they're also trying to create nuclear weapons.

Wow - Here's an interesting resource- Enter your zip code and get a full list of mosques, islamic centers and islamic-owned businesses in your immediate vicinity. Get your list printed out (before the site goes down) in case you become interested in a cultural exchange of sorts during the upcoming ramadan season.

#184 benthoven
That site has been available for years, actually. Check out this piece of work in my hometown.
[Link: www.isck.org...]

That's a beautiful cultural contribution to your community from the Islamic world you have there. Striking architecture, nice paint job and all, but I don't know, it seems, well you know... flammable.

#186 benthoven
One of them in a different area of town was 'struck by lightning' a couple of days after 9/11. They built it back bigger and better than before. I wonder where they got the $$$...

“These kids grew up in America, where the social norm is that it is O.K. to date, that it is O.K. to have sex before marriage,” Imam Magid said

Well, "Imam", you've kept yourself deliberately ignorant of the fact that it is NOT OK to have sex before marriage, to a HUGE number of God-fearing Americans!

#10

Can't we put this evil, little bastard in a cage and parade him around for the cameras?

Can't we?

I don't know about that, but if someone were to RPG his motorcade and hang his burnt corpse from the Manhattan Bridge I wouldn't be too put off.

Of one thing you can be assured with the Mullah's, they are definitely not adverse to letting the West know exactly what's demanded of the filthy kuffār. From the Iranian Fars News Agency: Pope's Apology Fails to Appease Muslim Rage. Appease us you sons of monkeys...bow down to the pedophile, goat humping Mohammad, you infidel pigs!

Kofi's besides himself about Iraq turning into a civil conflict...that's probably the best damned thing that could happen, especially as the Mullah's are contributing at least half. When the President addresses that 'organization which should go un-named' he should tell the organization of asshat's, we've every intention of exporting the Mullah's assistance back into Iran with great gobs of Iraqi democracy, insurgency style - thank you so much!

In fact at this point in time, we'd do extremely well in copying and utilizing a page of Israel's Lebanon strategy and applying it to Iran. For those that might not be aware of what's been transpiring, here's an article from last week: Lebanese politicians: Never have so few done so little for so many

Both camps of politicians have ignored the calls of our popular uprising, the Independence Intifada, and have disregarded our demands for what slain journalist Samir Kassir termed "the building of a modern state, a state of citizens and not a state of subjects." They ought not be surprised should every last one of their ill-treated subjects decide to pack their bags and leave{ed note: or revolt}.

It's appearing more-and-more that the affair with Hizbollah was a 'one night stand' - a quicky - and being a satellite state of Tehran is losing its luster quite quickly.

Having the Fwench running around playing house-keeper could add fuel to the fire - a situation which wouldn't bother me in the least.

I won't mention anything further on our pals the Fwench...except, damned them to hell!

A father is walking with his son around the year 2032 in lower Manhattan. As they explore the area the father explains to his son about the grandeur of the buildings and take on the sites. Suddenly they come to a beautiful park and plaza.

The son is so excited at the beautiful park and monuments and asks his Dad: "What are these monuments for?"

The father replies: "This park is dedicated to honour the Twin Towers and the memory of the people of New York."

"What are the Twin Towers?" asks the son.

Dad replies: "They were two very large 110 story buildings which stood here nearly 30 years until Arab Terrorists destroyed them."

"Dad, what is an arab?"

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, not feeling well and concerned about his mortality, goes to consult a Psychic about the date of his death.

Closing her eyes and silently reaching into the realm of the future she finds the answer: "You will die on a Jewish holiday."

"Which one?'" Mahmoud Ahmadinejad asks nervously.

"It doesn't matter," replied the psychic. "Whenever you die, it'll be a Jewish holiday."

#15 well said!

If they attack us here in the US, can we retaliate and attack them here in the US?

THEY HAVE TO DEPORT THESE MUSLIM FANATICS BACK TO THEIR MISERABLE COUNTRY FROM WHENCE THEY CAME FROM!

Actually they are proving the Pope correct in his speech. They are murderous fanatics who want to kill all of us infidels. All you have to do is just look at the HATE on their ugly faces!

This Southern Baptist says more power to the Pope!

Why do muslims carry on so at the least exposition of historical fact? I believe most muslims are not aware of their own history. They must therefore assume all mention of history is lies. The mullahs must stir them up to distract them from any reasoned thought as they may question their primitive religion and maybe consider giving it up.

Let them attack. Please!

Carpet bomb Iran with bacon grease

#26 Cato

You can't turn on the radio or the TV or read the news on the Internet without hearing about bigoted Muslims beheading "infidels", murdering civilians in "martyrdom operations", burning the Pope in effigy, torching Danish embassies over some silly cartoons, closing down cinemas in Somalia, banning the sale of pet cats and dogs in Saudi Arabia, setting off over 50 bomb blasts in a single day in banks around Thailand, chopping off the heads of young girls who aren't "properly dressed" in Indonesia, invading schools and killing children in Beslan, raining thousands of missiles down on the heads of Israeli civilians, shouting, waving their fists, holding placards predicting the downfall of the West and the triumph of Islam - and threatening more of the same if anyone has the audacity to link such behavior to Islam.

I say, it's time to git yer Crusade on

Well said.

ISN'T THIS AN ACT OF WAR. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, IT'S TIME TO DESTROY THIS CANCER.

#35 flyover_templar

A .223 is too light for deer hunting. In fact, they are banned for deer hunting in most states. I wouldn't use anything less than a 100-grain .243, and that would only be on small deer. The best deer rounds are as follows:

.270
.308
.30-06

#200 continued

In any event, I have never heard of a 130-grain .223 bullet. A 130-grain bullet is a common round for .270, though.

#68 cartman

"A message to those who wish harm and destruction upon our families, communities and country - we are waiting for you."

That's a fact.

#112 Cartman

I am reminded of the old adage: "When they come for your guns, then it's time to use them."

Walter Williams, a brilliant man and a prolific writer, once said: "When they have Williams' guns, then you will know Williams is dead." The clear meaning is that he will not give up his guns as long as he's living, and will resist to the death. Kind of a "From my cold, dead hands" sentiment. The 2nd Amendment exists to preserve freedom and liberty. I will not live in a nation that is not free, and I will resist to the death any attempt to destroy that nation or to enslave its people, or to make them subjects.

I'm a 55-year old Vietnam vet, and I love America. I will give my all to prevent my beloved America from falling. So, to all enemies af America, foreign or domestic, you are forewarned.

#203 hiker

Well stated. There are millions who echo your words. I thank and salute you for your military service.

#15 Fjordman 9/18/2006 07:08PM PDT

They get away with it because they're not scared of us. No, not just Europeans, but Americans, too. Westerners want to be liked, while most of the world either hate us or despise us. We're the schmucks of the planet. People can just squeeze us for money, walk across our borders at will and shout "racism" if anybody tries to stop them, but at the same time heap abuse on the citizens of that country.

The reason for the antipathy toward us that we are the most wealthy, successful and powerful nation on the planet. Success breeds envy and in turn hatred. It doesn't matter what we do if we seek to get them to like us, because that won't happen. Anyway, if you go to Mexico or elsewhere and get antagonism because you speak English and have an "American accent", just give the guy a $20 bill and then he will do as you want. Botto line: who cares if the rest of the world jealous with envy hates us, unless you're an idiot on the Left?

Why should Muslims be scared of the West? I wouldn't be.

It's time to return to good, old-fashioned killing of your enemies. I don't want them to like me, I want them to fear me.

Cindy Sheehan may be a moron, but her statements make it clear why they won't fear us. The world respects via fear strength. The world doesn't care for the most part about good will. Oh, we may send $10 billion in aide to a country filled with people who hate us after an earthquake or hurricane and they will be grateful for 15 minutes and go back to hating us. However if we use military force against certain bad apples, they will fear us and then respect us. That's what matters.

If we are too meek to use military force, when necessary the world will look upon as a doormat and have no problem walking all over us. No fear. No respect.

So they protest against us and threaten us with attacks due to things that have nothing to do with our foreign policy or the functioning of our civilization?

Hey Lefties, see that. It doesn't matter what we do. They just look for excuses to hate us and attack us, because we exist and don't conform 100% to being like them. Get a clue.

#204 bluebonnet

It was an honor to serve.

We will retaliate with terrorist attacks for being called terrorists.

This is a classic: the Ummah has finally discovered irony, 500 years after everyone else.

I keep hearing about this call for muslims to evacuate NY and Washington. Does anyone have a link to this? I want to show this to my LLL neighbors. They're starting to see me as some wacked out survivalist. (Like Dale in King of the Hill). Thanks Lizards!

During the de-Nazification process in Germany after WWII, the Nazi flag was banned, pro-Nazi propaganda was ended, Hitlerian ideology was thoroughly & roundly denounced, and even common Germans shamed.

It is past time to shame Muslims and their extremely violent faith-- yes, even ordinary Muslims whose silence gives tacit blessing to the violence done on Islam's behalf.

And the hundreds of millions of westerners who have willingly worn the mantle of Neville Chamberlain...shame on you, too. You are cowards who enable Islamic terrorism. Every self-loathing apology, every declaration of Islamic "greatness," only further legitimizes & emboldens Muslim terrorists.

Our media are Leni Riefenstahls glorifying unspeakable horror.

Did anyone else see Paris-based writer Scott McLeod (sp?)the author of Time's front page interview with Iran's Ahmadinjihad? This appeaser spoke this morning on Fox & Friends and tried to make the case Ahmadinejad just wants (and deserves) to discuss with President Bush how to make the world a better place with Iran "helping" the US at the top of the heap.