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Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 1:16:26 pm PDT

Eighteen year-old David Huffman says he “tapped” a Muslim woman on the head, nearly dislodging her headscarf, as a “prank.” He was charged with battery, and pleaded guilty.

But instead of fining him or sentencing him to jail, the judge ordered Huffman to undergo “sensitivity training” from the foremost radical Islamic front group in the United States, at the notorious Bridgeview Mosque:
‘Prank’ gets teen lesson in tolerance from CAIR. (Hat tip: Jim C.)

David Huffman told police it was just a prank gone wrong: On April 22, at a McDonald’s in Tinley Park, he tapped a Muslim woman on the head, nearly pulling off her headscarf.

The woman, a young mother with her children, didn’t see it as harmless. She was scared and embarrassed; her faith had been attacked. She told police, and they called it battery.

But in a surprising twist, a Cook County circuit judge did not fine or jail Huffman, who pleaded guilty. He was instead ordered to undergo sensitivity training at the downtown Chicago office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the nation’s largest Muslim civil rights organization.

During the past three months, Huffman, 18, has spent 40 hours listening to and talking with Muslims across Chicagoland. He has completed required tasks that seemed ripped from reality television: watching Muslim youths play basketball, attending a 9/11 event and visiting area mosques, which Huffman called “synagogues” at the beginning of his training.

But what exactly did David Huffman learn?

When Huffman first arrived Aug. 4 at the Muslim civil rights organization’s office, his hands were shaking from nervousness, and he appeared as though he’d rather have been anywhere else. He was late, for starters. He arrived with his shoes untied and a patchy stubble, looking more like he had just stumbled out of bed than spent the better part of an hour commuting from Tinley Park.

“I’d rather not talk about it,” Huffman said of the April incident, soon after arriving. “I want to forget it.”

He eventually told his version of the events. He said he knew he was wrong, but he was confused why the woman had become so upset.

“I understood immediately after I did it. But even after I apologized, she was still so angry,” he said. “I didn’t understand that.”

Explaining that to him would be the responsibility of Veronica Zapata, the organization’s sensitivity training coordinator.

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1 shug  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:17:40am

Now write this 1000 times on the blackboard


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2 Catttt  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:17:42am

Anyone else thinking Clockwork Orange?

3 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:18:55am

Did he also have to do a PowerPoint presentation on goat buggery?

4 loppyd  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:19:12am

Sharia anyone?

5 Elric66  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:19:26am

This is so crazy. When will Islam get sensitivity training?

6 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:19:46am

#4 lopps

No thanks, I'll pass.

7 shug  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:20:03am

He learned a very valuable lesson.

Only Muslim Men are allowed to beat Muslim women.

8 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:20:16am
attending a 9/11 event

Did he get to dance and pass out candy?

9 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:21:02am

And yet a Muslim man could have beaten this women to within an inch of her life or even kill her in the name of "honor" and that is okay hunky doory.

10 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:21:16am

#5 Elric66

This is so crazy. When will Islam get sensitivity training?

I dunno, but I expect it will be delivered by way of an ICBM.

11 right wing zephyr  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:21:42am
even after I apologized, she was still so angry,”

This is precisely why I am in favor of depantsing Muslims whenever you get the opportunity.

12 Elric66  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:22:01am

#10 Ward Cleaver 10/23/2006 01:21PM PDT
#5 Elric66

This is so crazy. When will Islam get sensitivity training?

I dunno, but I expect it will be delivered by way of an ICBM.

Im down with that

13 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:22:32am

"...watching Muslim youths play basketball, attending a 9/11 event and visiting area mosques,..."

Attending a 9/11 event? I'd love to know what that entailed.

14 Tumulus11  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:23:13am

'But even after I apologized, she was still so angry,”

. Islam. Lesson one.

15 pat  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:24:08am

In Saudi Arabia he could have herded her with a stick for having the wrong size burka and she would have meekly submitted. But the idea that a Christian touched her sent her into fits. The Judge should be hanged.

16 loppyd  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:24:16am

Just_A_Grunt

You stole my thunder! :D

17 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:24:26am
Ahmed Rehab, CAIR's executive director, later said he was so impressed with Huffman's development.

"The great thing about Dave's progress is that he didn't come in full of hate," Rehab said. "He, like so many people in the general population, had simply come to his opinions because he never knew a Muslim."

Sorry Ahmed, try again.

18 right wing zephyr  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:24:58am

#13 Right. But what's with the watching them play basketball? Is that like a hoop swarm?

19 afdad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:25:35am

I would have told the judge to send me to jail! Sensitivity training? Pure, unadulterated Bovine Scatology on the Judges part, but then what else would one expect from a 'Chi-town' azzhat! I hear they're just as competent as the cities Mayor. Just another nail in the wall that holds all the contemptible rulings made by 'Judges' who disgust reason, and justice.

Anyone guess I can't stand what makes up 95% of the legal profession!

20 CrimsonFisted  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:25:49am

Where is the Christian sensitivity training for Muslims? Or American sensitivity training? Shouldn't this broad learn not to seethe and whine and not get so offended?

21 humanity  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:27:21am
“I understood immediately after I did it. But even after I apologized, she was still so angry,” he said. “I didn’t understand that.”

don't they say, that ramadan is a fest of forgiveness...

22 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:27:47am
23 jemima  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:28:16am

They make it so hard to say anything nice about them.

24 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:28:20am

We know they think we are unclean, but why should we constantly act like we agree with them?

25 Quella  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:29:04am

No words. The dhimmification of America is going along smoothly, isn't it?

The Islamofascists are laughing at us! Let us compare what would have happened if he did the EXACT SAME THING TO A JEWISH WOMAN WEARING A HEAD COVERING...

Wait for it...

NOTHING!

Can you imagine his being sentenced to 'sensitivity training' if he tapped a Jewish woman on the head, wearing a head scarf? (and yes, to the orthodox Jewry, this is absolutely a religious requirement)

The double standards are incredible. The fact that we are indoctrinating young minds to Islamofascism - court ordered, no less - is even more shocking. I just hope his mind is strong enough to overcome what must have been intensive attempts at brainwashing.

I am rooting for you, David Huffman!

And lastly...let me add this final point...

The head scarves are ridiculous! We SHOULD be ridiculing them! The head scarves basically are put in place out of fear of exposing hair to the world, lest it tempt men into raping them. The burkas go a step further - must not expose the face, or else the Muslim women will be raped!

THIS NOTION IS LUDICROUS! It blames the victim of rape, rather than the rapist! Moreover, it assumes men are these animalistic beings with ZERO self control!

I find this notion to be extremely offensive!

The hijab hence is offensive to me not only as a human being, but as a citizen of the world. It should be mocked, ridiculed, and held up as the anti-woman piece of cloth that it is.

We need more David Huffmans in this world!

26 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:30:00am

And yes, kudos to everyone who has pointed out that this was only bad because he was not a muslim husband or brother.

27 Just_A_Grunt  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:30:05am

#17 jamie

Ahmed Rehab, CAIR's executive director, later said he was so impressed with Huffman's development.

Sounds like another Adam Gadahn is born.

28 WriterMom  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:30:12am
"I don't know how reflective he's going to be. I feel the resistance," she said. "I think he has good potential."

WAKE UP AMERICA!

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29 Van Impe  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:30:49am
Explaining that to him would be the responsibility of Veronica Zapata, the organization’s sensitivity training coordinator.


Another Mexican convert to Islam? I guess for some women Mexican culture is just not macho enough.

30 neverquit  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:31:06am
31 mrsoc  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:31:43am

Wait a minute.Who is the dhimmi judge? Do we get to know who to recall or just dump every asshat with a black robe in Chicago (Hog slaughterers to the world.)
What the hell is wrong with us? The judge needs to go. The kid is a jerk and should not be touching anyone but the judge is a criminal and should be thrown off the bench.
What's next? Sharia in Chicago?

32 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:31:43am

This kid deserves sensitivity training (at least). People who write articles and make speeches against Islam do not deserve the same punishment.

33 Chyron  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:32:47am
#28 WriterMom 10/23/2006 01:30PM PDT

"I don't know how reflective he's going to be. I feel the resistance," she said. "I think he has good potential."

WAKE UP AMERICA!

P.S Anyone want the article without registering, go to BugMeNot.com or use this:

Sounds almost like she's writing scientific notes on how hard it'll be to brainwash him. Those lines are like something out of a sci-fi film, where they're setting up someone as a kind of "Manchurian Candidate".

But honestly, you'd think Muslim woman would be use to the constant abuse and ridicule. I guess since it was from an infidel, she didn't have to take it, like at home.

34 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:33:52am

Heh.

DNC web page gets punked.

Follow the links.

Dumbasses.

35 arf  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:34:51am

He probably learned many useful things about explosives technology.

He could put his training to work in mining or the earthmoving business.

36 PISSED  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:34:51am

Poor kid probably Shite-ed his pants---

oh sorry,

Maybe he should have watched youths burning cars and attacking police in France,

Maybe he should have watched HI-jackers board airplanes and fly them into buildings,

Maybe he could have been taught home bomb building or female circum- mutilation'

lots of maybes---

OT

loppyd good to see someone on the north shore
I'm here with ya!

37 HolmWrecker  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:34:55am

Hahaha, I'd take the jail time instead.
Totally sickening. If I was 'forced' to go, I'd be the biggest pain the ass they ever dealt with.
I spit on 'sensitivity' training/brainwashing.

38 blueroom127  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:35:11am

Well, I think it was a stupid and rude thing to do to anyone. He should do community service though not islamic brainwashing.

39 templar  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:35:20am

I'd have taken the jail time. Oh wait, chances are I'd meet more of CAIR's staff there as well. What was a Cook County judge doing sending a young man into the headquarters of a terrorist support group like CAIR? Was he trying to make another recruit or something?

40 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:35:57am

I'm back. I read the touchy-feeling article.

So the judge sentenced this poor bastard to "sensitivity" training with a cult.

If the guy had tweaked the scarf of a Santeria High Priestess would he have been sentenced to 40 hours of sensitivity training with the Santerians?

Poked a Hell's Angel? Forty hours in the local biker bar?

41 Zardah  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:36:12am

But when you exercise "sensitivity" for the oppression of Muslim women, you get..


HTTP://WWW.FAITHDEFENDERS.COM/MINISTRY/ARTICLES/WO RLD_RELIGIONS/ISLAM/WOMEN+AND+ISLAM.HTM

RALLY FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES
CLARK GALLAGHER
© Copyright Faith Defenders
Last published 5/12/2006
On Thursday, April 27th at Riverside Community College, Dr. Robert Morey, president of Faith Defenders, took part in a rally held in support of women’s rights in Islamic countries. Members of the media, students, Muslims and Christians gathered to hear a presentation from Louis Zepeda of Truth Defenders ministries. The atmosphere was at first calm as Dr. Morey started off the event with a brief introduction on the subject of Islam’s teachings regarding the role of women in Muslim societies. But as Mr. Zepeda began his lecture it was clear that the calm atmosphere would only be short lived as supporters of “the religion of peace” began angrily protesting.

While Zepeda read verses from the Qur’an and the Hadiths that give Muslim men the right to beat their wives or sell them out as prostitutes several Muslim women held up signs and repeatedly interrupted Mr. Zepeda. As the event went on the crowd swelled to nearly one hundred people and what was advertised as an exercise in free speech soon became a shouting match. Despite the ample quotations from their own scriptures the Muslim contingency would hear none of what Zepeda and Dr. Morey had to say. At one point Dr. Morey led the predominately Christian crowd in singing God Bless America while belligerent Muslims shouted curses on America. Though many Muslims held signs that read “Islam = Peace” there was no peace exemplified in their actions or speech.

News crews from three different television stations were on hand to witness and film the event along with a dozen or so reporters from papers including the LA Times. While Dr. Morey gave interviews and spoke authoritatively on the true nature of Islam, the reports on both television and in print provided a decidedly skewed take on the rally. As Francis Schaeffer demonstrated in his documentary, How Should We Then Live, it is easy for the media to bend public opinion to their views. Despite the obvious demonstration of anger and ignorance on the part of Muslims the media made the Christians out as anti-Islamic hate mongers and the Muslims as simply exercising their free speech.

But even in the face of such evil opposition the truth was told clearly and intelligently by Dr. Morey and Mr. Zepeda and the “religion of peace” showed its true colors. And unless Americans come out of the morass of relativistic “tolerance” we will see only more of what is common place in Muslim countries around the world: bondage, butchery, slavery, and oppression

42 HeatherRadish  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:37:05am

If I was ever sentenced to "visit area mosques" I'd instruct my lawyer to appeal on 8th Amendment grounds.

43 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:37:06am

CAIR? Maybe they meant "weapons training."

44 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:38:50am

#25 Quella

Let us compare what would have happened if he did the EXACT SAME THING TO A JEWISH WOMAN WEARING A HEAD COVERING...

Wait for it...

NOTHING!


I'm reading between the lines on this one. His "tap" that dislodged her head scarf in reality was mosty likely a smack or a grab with the intention of removing her headsarf. If I tried to rip the turban off a hindu or smack the yamika off a Jew's head, I'd be grateful to get sensivity training instead of the jailtime I'd deserve.

45 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:38:55am
If the latest FBI hate-crime statistics are any indication, of the 1,314 verified offenses motivated by religious bias, 68.5 percent were anti-Jewish.

Just a reminder.

Any word on "sensitivity training" for CAIR?

46 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:39:16am

Venezuelan detained near U.S. embassy

CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuelan police detained a university student outside the U.S. Embassy on Monday, saying he had planted two pipe bombs nearby.

Police closed the street to traffic and set off the two low-intensity explosives, which they said were essentially homemade fireworks. Dozens of children were evacuated from an adjacent school. Nobody was injured.

Embassy spokesman Brian Penn said a motorcycle taxi driver "started screaming" to alert security guards after the youth made a remark to the driver. Penn said the embassy would defer to Venezuelan police to comment on specifics of the case.

Local police chief Wilfredo Borraz told reporters that one of the devices was found outside the school and the other in a planter about 50 yards from the embassy entrance.

He said both were wrapped in black plastic bags and contained "small fliers with publicity alluding to Hezbollah" — the Lebanese guerrilla group that recently fought a monthlong war with Israel. He said police glimpsed electrical wires protruding from one of the plastic pipes before setting it off.

"The idea was apparently to create alarm and publicize a message," Borraz told reporters, saying the explosives were made to scatter the pamphlets.

Police did not release the age or name of the student.

47 shug  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:39:29am

If I was forced to go I would show up wearing this

48 religion of bacon  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:40:24am

At the mall yesterday, I saw two Islamo women walking the approved distance behind their owners, a.k.a. goatf***er husbands. One of the women was in headscarf, the other in full Darth Vader eyeslit attire. My gf and I gave them very dirty looks, and after we passed them I coughed and spat loudly on the ground. I'm surprised I wasn't dragged away by the thought police.

There were several other Islamo women in the mall, all with facial expressions (when visible) that were arrogant and/or harsh. Not one looked happy or relaxed. I'm seeing more of them around here all the time.

49 loppyd  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:40:36am

Speaking of Obama...

The Swimmer may want to learn his name if he's going to run for president.

Drunken Lard Ass speech

50 brenda  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:41:32am

Reposting my LTE here, because there's a snowball's chance in hell it will be printed.

Dear Editor:

No woman should be physically accosted on the street, even if she dressed in a culturally objectionable way that insults American women's hard-won progress toward equality ("'Prank' gets teen lesson in tolerance").

But the PC punishment of Muslim sensitivity training was inappropriate, since only the teen's actions were wrong, not his thoughts that presumably centered around the need for foreigners to assimilate to our ways, not the other way around.

In fact, the presence of veiled Muslim women on American streets violates deeply the work of Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and other suffragists. Women's current freedoms come from their struggles, and now face a new threat caused by multicultural immigration from misogynous cultures.

BW

51 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:43:49am

34 Jammie

hee-hee

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52 TotallySirius  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:43:52am

I would have told the judge "screw that" and taken jail time.

If the judge didn't like that,I'd appeal on grounds that the experience would be emotionally disturbing therefore it would be cruel and unusual punishment.

Screw CAIR's sensitivity training,I have the right to dislike anyone I want.

53 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:44:52am

This is what happens when you knock a Jews hat off (and give him a beating).

Zippo.

For the future though, I suggest we stop doing what they do, ie, comparing muslims and Jews at any chance.

14 Million Jews
1.5 BILLION Muslims.

They are not an oppressed minority.

Any chance of sensitivity training amongst the islamonazi youth?

54 shug  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:45:06am

48 RoB

they hate your kuffar guts.

they are biding their time, that's all there is to it

55 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:45:14am
56 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:45:46am

50 Brenda

Dear Editor:

No woman should be physically accosted on the street, even if she dressed in a culturally objectionable way that insults American women's hard-won progress toward equality ("'Prank' gets teen lesson in tolerance").

But the PC punishment of Muslim sensitivity training was inappropriate, since only the teen's actions were wrong, not his thoughts that presumably centered around the need for foreigners to assimilate to our ways, not the other way around.

In fact, the presence of veiled Muslim women on American streets violates deeply the work of Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and other suffragists. Women's current freedoms come from their struggles, and now face a new threat caused by multicultural immigration from misogynous cultures.

BW

Great letter!

57 Cartman  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:47:03am

Well, it has begun - court-enforced sharia.

58 dammad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:47:50am

Awesome letter Brenda. I sent a note to the author of the piece and told him that he should, in the name of fairness, point out CAIR's ties to terrorist organizations. Haven't heard from him...and I've sent a similar note to other journalists who cite CAIR in their writings, have yet to get an answer.

59 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:48:14am
Ahmed Rehab, CAIR's executive director, later said he was so impressed with Huffman's development.
60 mj  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:48:36am

thought we had laws about instituting "cruel and unusual punishment"?

61 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:48:46am

Any chance we can spirit this kid out of the country and get him asylum in a non-dhimmi country?

Does CAIR have an extradition treaty with Tonga? Honduras? Micronesia?

Oh, we're the last one.

In essense, the judge has ordered the kid to undergo religious indoctrination. The judge should be removed and jailed at once for an egregious violation of the First Amendment.

Where are your balls, GWB?

62 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:48:49am
63 Quella  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:48:57am

Killgore Trout #44:

I see no proof in that article that he did more than tap the woman's head. Yes, from a legal standpoint, this is a battery. However, the sentence of 'sensitivity training' is ludicrous.

Furthermore, any notion that this was actually a smack to the head is not supported by the facts of the article. Unless the article said he smacked her to the head, I fail to see why we should assume it was a smack to the head.

As I said before - imagine what his punishment would have been had he tapped a Jewish woman on the head, who was wearing a head scarf...

I would be shocked if he would even be arrested for such a thing.

64 shug  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:50:01am

The Boy --> He was charged with battery, and pleaded guilty


The Judge --> He was charged with Moonbattery, and pleaded guilty

/dreaming I was in charge

65 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:51:52am

Imagine the result if a young dope-nazi were caught vandalizing, say, a Jesus bumper sticker and the redneck judge sentenced him to Baptist Sunday school.

66 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:51:53am

I have no senses.

/victim of islamic terror.

67 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:52:49am
As I said before - imagine what his punishment would have been had he tapped a Jewish woman on the head, who was wearing a head scarf...

I would be shocked if he would even be arrested for such a thing.

Not arrested, but in NYC maybe an ass-kicking.

68 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:53:26am

OT:

Islamist Holiday Video Calls for Jihad and Slaughter of "Crusaders"
This ten-minute video ( [Link: switch3.castup.net...] ), titled "Rise Up," was posted on Islamist websites on October 22, 2006, and was described as "a gift for 'Eid Al-Fitr." Produced by an individual identified as "Abu Osama" (whose real identity is unknown), it calls on the Muslims to wage jihad against the "Crusaders." A caption in the film explains that Abu Osama produced the film on the occasion of the establishment of the Islamic State of Iraq.

The film begins with footage of horsemen under the caption: "O ye who believe! What is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter" (Koran 9:38).

Next, several Al-Qaeda leaders and commanders, including bin Laden, Al-Zawahiri, Al-Zarqawi and a number of unidentified young men (who may be field commanders or intended suicide bombers) call upon the Muslims to join the jihad. The following are excerpts:

Al-Zawahiri says: "I urge you, in [the name of] the duty of jihad, which is incumbent upon every Muslim, to hurry and pursue martyrdom in order to kill the Crusaders and the Zionists." An armed individual calls: "[Oh] defenders of the faith, hurry and prepare [for jihad], this is no time for [internal] disagreement." Another individual, sitting under a banner that reads, "Expel the polytheists from the Arabian Peninsula," asks: "Are there no men in this nation?" and a masked individual declares: "Jihad is ancient, and the fate of [all] infidel leaders is one and the same: to be slaughtered."

The video then shows a scene in which a man is beheaded. This is followed by another beheading, even more grisly, in which the severed head is waved in the air. (Both scenes, and another graphic scene, have been omitted from the version of the film posted here, but are available upon request).

The film ends with a caption congratulating the Shura Council of the Jihad Fighters in Iraq on the occasion of the establishment of the Islamic State of Iraq. It also conveys greetings for 'Eid Al-Fitr, and expresses hope for the unification of all the jihad fighters in Iraq.

I wonder what CAIR has to say about this?

69 nonic  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:53:31am

I wouldn't be surprised if he was so scared and shaking because he got death threats.

What a "wonderful opportunity" for the muslim commmunity to make damn sure none of their "youths" harm this kid or his family.

If he just happens to get beat up or beheaded, I suspect the muslims will find there will be hell to pay.

70 Silhouette  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:54:13am

He wasn't sent to sensitivity training. He was sent to mosques to be proselytized by the Islamic religion. By court order.

71 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:54:44am

I'd rather go to jail than spend 40 hours with CAIR. Of course, they probably wouldn't romance me in the shower like the Ropers in county lock-up would, but then again...

72 minion  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:55:50am

Lesson learned: Next time, don't apologize.

73 godfrey  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:56:05am

No problem. Go to the sensitivity training and secretly videotape the whole thing. Get access to other areas, and tape those, too. A lizard could make the experience quite productive.

74 Silhouette  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:56:08am

NJD

Islamist Holiday Video Calls for Jihad and Slaughter

Just like our annual Christmas pagent.

/not

75 MoonbatBane  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:56:55am

"sensitivity training" aka multiculturalist BS.

Gee, who'd have guessed you get this multiculturalist BS in Chicagomoonbatland? /sarc

76 loppyd  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:57:25am

62 TFK

But...but I thought they weren't criminals?!?

77 brenda  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:57:27am

Thanks Amalie and Dammad. I hope I'm not the only LTE writer in the lizard tribe. There's lots I see written here that I can imagine edited a bit and sent to a newspaper.

Recycling! Let's reuse these good ideas and stir the pot.

78 BH  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:57:41am

I dunno... I'm so sick and tired of teenaged @ssholes harassing people at the malls and fast food joints. I say let CAIR have him. Probably scare the rat bastard more than anything the court can legally do to him. Prolly won't do anything to keep him from being a wanker to everyone else, though.

79 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:58:19am

Problem:

Taliban Vows to Attack European Citizens...

Solution: Sensitivity Training.

Problem:

Leading French Gynecologists Challange Muslim Women to Lift More than Their Veils...

Solution: Sensitivity Training.

Problem:

Woman Still Labeled 'Adulteress', Despite Rape Conviction...

Solution: Sensitivity Training.

Problem:

Male Gynaecologist Attacked by Angry Muslim Husband...

Solution: Sensitivity Training.

Problem:

Group of Buddhist Monks Ripped by Muslim Shrapnel Bomb...

Solution: Sensitivity Training.

Problem:

Two Teenage Girls Raped by Janjaweed Militias...

Solution: Sensitivity Training.

80 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:58:57am
81 dll2000  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:59:06am

Liberals love forced re-education.

Colleges do this all the time. When I was in school, a friend of mine was punished for minor vandalism by being forced to watch men making out with each other.

Most college orientations have some type of minorities and women are victims and white-males are oppressors theme somewhere in the program.

82 MoonbatBane  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:59:34am

#50 brenda

100% dead on accurate on all counts. EXCELLENT letter!

83 SevoGuy  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 11:59:56am

I'm now noticing plenty of Islamic forums and Islamic presentations going on in my city.

I would like to attend one and discuss islamic-terrorism and tell them everything I ever needed to learn about islam, I learned on September 11, 2001

84 TotallySirius  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:01:05pm
The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans(muslim americans,~ed), each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic

=Theodore Roosevelt

85 loppyd  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:02:01pm

dll2000

When I was in school, a friend of mine was punished for minor vandalism by being forced to watch men making out with each other.

WTH? What grade?

86 nonic  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:02:19pm

#15 pat

The Judge should be hanged.

Totally wrong.

He pleaded guilty to battery (that's a physical attack). The judge could have put him in jail. Instead, he "let him off" with sensitivity training.

I'll bet the muslims are "insulted" and "humiliated" by this leniency. I'll bet they even think the judge is anti-muslim "racist."

87 rokbassist  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:02:35pm
He did however go into the stairwell to check those messages, which, based on the previous weeks, may be a small step of improvement.

That's a good little dhimmi. Stay boy, stay.

88 jill e  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:03:21pm

Sounds like a great recruiting tool for terrorists! All brought to you by our "sensitive" judicial system!

89 FrogMarch  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:03:24pm

Islamic anger is pure. (much like leftist anger)

Apologies and groveling do not count. You must pay with your life and/or your dignity.

90 godfrey  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:03:27pm

Question:

How does CAIR get to be the one-stop shop for all things Islamosensitive? Are they the only game in town?

If it's education the boy needs, why not send him to Robert Spencer's outfit? Or Daniel Pipes's? Or Ali Sina's?

91 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:03:29pm

#63 Quella
I guess it's just me.

92 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:04:10pm

Could you imagine if the judge ordered him to fast for ramadan?

93 Chyron  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:04:51pm
#80 Ben Hur 10/23/2006 01:58PM PDT

Group of Buddhist Monks Ripped by Muslim Shrapnel Bomb...

The Muslims there want their own nation. So, instead of entering into talks with the people already inhabiting the land, they just kill everyone so there's no one left to object. I would think (maybe wrongly), that Buddhist monks would be the easiest to do this with, since they own nothing (not even the land). How then, would they stop the Muslims from moving in peacefully? I'm confused about that part.

However, we must recognize that this is not a regional phenomenon. This is how radical Islamists try to gain power in any country they move into. Look at Europe, and other Asian nations for evidence of that.

94 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:05:08pm

#28 writermom


Tried that bugmenot.

Would not work.

This is one of my favorite leftwing MSM tricks. They are all against the CIA, FBI, or anyone else spying on terrorists but they have no problem collecting as much info as they can on their own damn websites. Its epidemic with these left wing rags like the Post, Times, etc.

/and yes, trolls, I know the differnce between the gubment collecting info and public newspapers. If you think they won't sell your info for money your an idiot.

95 MoonbatBane  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:05:49pm

#81 dll2000 10/23/2006 01:59PM PDT

Pretty accurate, but I'd say:

Most college orientations have some type of minorities and women are victims and white-males are oppressors theme throughout somewhere in the program , and the colleges repeat the message for the next several years.

96 Ms. Anthrope  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:06:13pm

"Sensitivity training is hogwash. It doesn't change anyone's mind." This is a quote from a Ph.D in Occupational Psychology I work for who puts together sensitivity training. What a joke!

As an athiest I am appalled by this. I respect people's faith. The problem is this rampant over-sensitivity to everyone but the most often mocked. I sit and stare in disbelief as people I know say the most horrible things about Christians, religion in general and those evil, awful "rethuglicans". In the next breath they'll defend religious muslims, who vehemently despise their gayness, their feminist pursuits, their freedom of speech. It makes no sense.

This is why I can't call myself a liberal. No matter how unreligious and free and tolerant I feel, I cannot associate with such blatant stupidity and hypocrisy.

By the way--hooray for opening registration Saturday, I was going crazy trying to get in here!

97 Murqtaad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:06:23pm

His sentence seems like a forced intimidation. Forcing him to be around gangs, yes gangs of muslim youths. Forcing him to attend mosques. Fuck that. Give me the 6 month jail term. I wouldn't bow down to that bullshit. I'd give the judge a big "hell no!' if he tried to sentence me to that.

98 jwpaine  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:07:15pm

Sorry, but unless the woman attacked Huffman first, he had no right to touch her, let alone "tap" her. The sentence of sensitivity training (especially under the direction of CAIR) is complete and total BS, of course, but that is a seperate issue.

99 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:07:33pm

Let the weak be strong.
Let the right be wrong.

Anybody have a clue what that means?

100 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:07:41pm

61 Shiplord

In essense, the judge has ordered the kid to undergo religious indoctrination. The judge should be removed and jailed at once for an egregious violation of the First Amendment.

I don't know about jailing the judge, but you are right, the 40 hours of sensitivity training turned out to be 40 hours of religious indoctrination.

If a Muslim tried to knock a kippah off a Jewish man's head would this judge sentence the Muslim to 40 hours community service at the local Jewish Center?

And if he did, can you imagine what the response would be from CAIR?

101 Murqtaad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:08:46pm

Cattt #2,

"Anyone else thinking Clockwork Orange?"

W.W.A.D.L.D?

What. Would. Alex. De. Large Do?

/quote functions not working.

102 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:09:54pm

Chyron

It exists ANYWHERE THE MUSLIM WORLD MEETS THE NON-MUSLIM WORLD

103 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:09:58pm
Turkish academic faces trial over headscarf article

ISTANBUL -- An eminent 92-year-old Turkish archaeologist is to go on trial for inciting religious hatred, because she angered Islamist circles with a scientific paper saying that the use of headscarves by women dated back to pre-Islamic sexual rites.

Muazzez Ilmiye Cig, who devoted her career to studying the Sumerians, the first known urban civilization dating from the fourth millennium BC, is to appear in court November 1 in Istanbul, her editor Ismet Ogutucu said.

In a book published last year, Cig said that the headscarf - a controversial issue in Turkey - was first worn by Sumerian priestesses initiating young people into sex, but without prostituting themselves.

A lawyer from the western city of Izmir took offense and filed a complaint against Cig, resulting in a prosecutor charging both her and her publisher with "inciting hatred based on religious differences." If convicted, the two risk up to three years in jail.

104 godfrey  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:10:14pm

Amalie

That's a great idea, actually. Forty hours stuffing envelopes at the Anti-Defamation League, or picking up cigarette butts outside a site of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

105 Spiritualized  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:10:16pm

BBC drama just finished, it had Mossad agents taking over the Saudi embassy in the UK in order to scupper a nuclear deal between the UK and Saudi Arabia. The Mossad were shown shooting civilians in the back, and planting explosives amongst their hostages.

I didn't catch the begining but the premise was that it was "false flag" operation, as the hostages assumed the Mossad were Arab terrorists.

The SAS were called in, they killed all the Mossad men bar one, and rescued the hostages.

The last frame? The surviving Mossad agent is sent to Guantanamo.

106 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:10:23pm

#77 brenda 10/23/2006 01:57PM PDT

Thanks Amalie and Dammad. I hope I'm not the only LTE writer in the lizard tribe. There's lots I see written here that I can imagine edited a bit and sent to a newspaper.

Recycling! Let's reuse these good ideas and stir the pot.

I agree!

107 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:10:26pm

CAIR-related:

The LA Slimes got a smackdown in the Jewish Journal for defending Bill Dalati and hiding his Hiballah sympathies and for hiding CAIR's terrorist sympathies:

the L.A. Times' embrace of this revisionist history is a violation of all journalistic ethics. The L.A. Times has the resources to research the organization but instead choose just to parrot its propaganda.
108 Rearden Steel  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:11:11pm

How can a court hand down a sentence that orders someone to a place of "worship" (yes, I am using that term loosely)? Doesn't this violate separation of church/state. I am sure the ALCU is all over this. Could you see a Muslim ordered to a synagogue for sensitivity training?

109 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:11:57pm

#94 hous bin pharteen
it's easier to go through google news to get around registration.

110 Stringart  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:12:07pm
"Sensitivity Training" from CAIR

and

attending a 9/11 event

In case CAIR hasn't yet noticed, Muslims were responsible for 9/11. When will they be required to undergo sensitivity training?

111 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:12:15pm

Spiritualized

Bizaro world.

Have you ever seen a arab/muslim terrorist(bad guy) in any British James Bond production?

112 Pro-Bush Canuck  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:12:24pm

FINALLY SOME GOOD NEWS:

Thirty-eight leading Islamic scholars have accepted the Pope's statements and replied in a healthy, positive manner! They also condemn violence in Islam, and disown definitions of jihad which involve violence.

Islam is thus, in the words of 38 of its most qualified living exponents, not merely “a religion of peace”, but more essentially a religion of love -- of love, from and for the one God we all worship; the one true Lord we know by His works, and who is Love in all His actions. For what is done in hatred cannot be done in God’s name, and will always be false religion.

Read the whole thing.

113 plutosdad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:12:42pm

I disagree he should have gotten sensitivity to muslims.

I think he should have gotten sensitivity to women training. Specifically to not grab or touch or knock strange women on the head.

What a moron hitting people.

Yeah he says it's a "tap" but if someone "tapped" you on the head what would you do? I know I would probably "tap" him back! But I am a man, I can understand a women feeling scared of a guy who's probably much bigger than her hitting her on the head as she walks by.

F** that kid he got what he deserved. I just think we are training him to be sensitive to the wrong people, it's not muslims but women he should be more sensitive to.

114 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:12:52pm

#104 godfrey 10/23/2006 02:10PM PDT

Amalie

That's a great idea, actually. Forty hours stuffing envelopes at the Anti-Defamation League, or picking up cigarette butts outside a site of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

It would be a good idea if we could trust Muslims.

I don't and no amount of their "sensitivity" training will change my view.

115 shug  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:13:24pm

#101 Murqtaad

Cattt #2,

"Anyone else thinking Clockwork Orange?"

W.W.A.D.L.D?

What. Would. Alex. De. Large Do?

/quote functions not working.


One of my all time fave films.

What the judge did to this boy was to me the equivalent of what Alex did to the Health farm lady ( to cause her demise )

116 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:14:49pm

98 jwpaine

Has anyone posted on here that it was okay to even touch this woman?

117 javems  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:15:12pm

#34 JammieWearingFool

They can also leave a message as this anti-American freeper decided to do.


And this turkey has an upside American flag as his icon, or what ever you call it.

118 Elric66  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:15:43pm

When will Muslim men take sensitivity training towards women?

119 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:15:52pm

Another priceless campaign ad from David Zucker.

120 finneaus  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:16:01pm

so "tapping" somebody is "assault"? WTF? So, if I tap someone on the shoulder and ask if they have the correct time, I've just assaulted them? am i missing something here? Hell, I get assaulted evertime i go to the bar.. folks have bumped into me on their way to get a drink, so they are guilty of assault? this is insane. He must have "tapped" the hell out of her!

121 Van Impe  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:16:19pm

#105

BBC drama just finished, it had Mossad agents taking over the Saudi embassy in the UK in order to scupper a nuclear deal between the UK and Saudi Arabia.

What's the name of this masterpiece.

122 So?  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:16:26pm

Maybe muslims should be forced to attend...

"Life Sensitivity Class" where they learn that martyrdom is a no-no when you are born in this world as a HUMAN BEING!

123 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:16:39pm

#83 sevoguy

I'm now noticing plenty of Islamic forums and Islamic presentations going on in my city.


Try wearing one of these ot their meetings.

[Link: www.nyfirestore.com...]

I am sure you will be warmly welcomed.

124 dammad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:17:06pm

Exactly, Amalie. I think all (or most to be fair) feel he was wrong to do what he did. That is not the point of the discussion. When I read this article I actually became sick to my stomach. If a judge ordered my son to "sensitivity training" I'D be in jail!

125 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:17:40pm

Don't you hate it when you make a point and someone proves you wrong in the next few posts.

126 finneaus  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:18:03pm

sorry- "battery" not "assault" although, i'm not exactly sure what the difference is... if someone punches me in the face, have i been "assaulted" or "battered"?

127 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:18:46pm
128 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:18:55pm

We may be missing the point here.

The idea behind CAIR indoctrination is not to get him to stop assaulting women, it is to teach him the right way to go about it: convert to Islam and you have an unlimited license not just for taps on the head, but for rape, mutilation, murder, and enslavement.

129 Chyron  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:19:52pm
#112 Pro-Bush Canuck 10/23/2006 02:12PM PDT

FINALLY SOME GOOD NEWS:

Thirty-eight leading Islamic scholars have accepted the Pope's statements and replied in a healthy, positive manner! They also condemn violence in Islam, and disown definitions of jihad which involve violence.

Islam is thus, in the words of 38 of its most qualified living exponents, not merely “a religion of peace”, but more essentially a religion of love -- of love, from and for the one God we all worship; the one true Lord we know by His works, and who is Love in all His actions. For what is done in hatred cannot be done in God’s name, and will always be false religion.

Read the whole thing.

Well I guess that proves that some are capable of critical thought, as well as literacy skills.

And you guys said they were all bad.

130 EC Marm  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:20:31pm

#96 Ms. Anthrope
Welcome to lgf. Strange nic. A play on words?

131 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:21:11pm

If someone swings at you and misses, it's assault. If they connect, it's battery. In most jurisdictions, the two are combined if battery occurs.

132 infidelwench  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:21:25pm

#91 Killgore Trout

No, it's not just you. I'm not sure how a simple tap nearly pulled off her headscarf.

In any case, Huffman had no right to touch her at all. Not even a tap.

133 Quella  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:21:48pm

finneaus #126:

A battery is an offensive touching. An assault is an attempted battery (basically, an attempt at the offensive touching), OR, it is considered the act of putting someone in FEAR of an offensive touching. (such as leaning in and pretending you will hit someone)

Given Huffman tapped the woman, the tap is considered a battery, and not an assault. However, he could be guilty of assault AND battery, if he attempted to punch her (as an example), but he ended up tapping her. In that instance, he would be guilty of the battery of the tapping, and the assault (attempted battery) of the punch.

Hope that helps.

134 Elric66  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:21:53pm

What a load of crap


Islam is thus, in the words of 38 of its most qualified living exponents, not merely “a religion of peace”, but more essentially a religion of love -- of love, from and for the one God we all worship; the one true Lord we know by His works, and who is Love in all His actions. For what is done in hatred cannot be done in God’s name, and will always be false religion.

135 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:21:54pm

#124 dammad 10/23/2006 02:17PM PDT

Exactly, Amalie. I think all (or most to be fair) feel he was wrong to do what he did. That is not the point of the discussion. When I read this article I actually became sick to my stomach. If a judge ordered my son to "sensitivity training" I'D be in jail!

yikes!

[Link: joebrower.com...]

136 Arashi  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:21:56pm

I heard about this on Andrew Wilkow today. Geez...I mean, let's face it, the guy was an idiot for this idea of a "prank"--to me, akin to trying to rip off a Jewish man's yarmulka (sp?) or grab a collar off of a priest--but battery? "Sensitivity training" by CAIR? This is absolutely insane.

Has LGF ever considered an informational campaign to tell people the truth about CAIR?

137 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:22:10pm

#109 Kilgore


Thanks!

I will have to remember that trick.

I was wondering if they mentioned the name of the Judge.
Of coure the reporter did not. You know that reporter just couldn't wait to print this story.

138 Murqtaad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:22:21pm

Shug 115,

I think we both know the answe to W.W.A.D.L.D?

It would be messy, sadistic, and justified.

/I got a dog named Kubrick, it's obvious I like his flicks.

139 Dom  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:23:12pm

The sentence is stupid but it doesn't seem to have killed him. In any event what he did was also stupid and I'm pleased he learned a lesson.

140 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:23:16pm

#128 Shiplord Kirel 10/23/2006 02:18PM PDT

We may be missing the point here.

The idea behind CAIR indoctrination is not to get him to stop assaulting women, it is to teach him the right way to go about it: convert to Islam and you have an unlimited license not just for taps on the head, but for rape, mutilation, murder, and enslavement.

Wow.

I did miss that point.

Entirely.

141 Render  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:23:38pm

#125 Am

Not always. Depends on how they go about wording it.

TWO DOBERMANS
IN THE YARD,
R

142 Spiritualized  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:23:48pm
What's the name of this masterpiece.

It's called, Spooks.

Mossad angry over British espionage series

The episode will probably be on YouTube in a couple of days.

143 Quella  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:24:26pm

plutosdad #113:

Okay, I will buy that.

Huffman never should have tapped the woman on the head, period. I will agree there. But I do not disagree with the idea that he was mocking a hijab. He just did it in a piss poor way.

If there was any punishment to be meted out, he should have gotten jailtime. 'Sensitivity training' is just totally bogus beyond belief.

I hope my earlier comments didn't sound like an endorsement for touching anyone! Rather, it was only an endorsement for ridiculing hijabs.

144 Murqtaad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:24:56pm

Quella 133,

finneaus #126:

A battery is an offensive touching. An assault is an attempted battery (basically, an attempt at the offensive touching), OR, it is considered the act of putting someone in FEAR of an offensive touching. (such as leaning in and pretending you will hit someone)

Given Huffman tapped the woman, the tap is considered a battery, and not an assault. However, he could be guilty of assault AND battery, if he attempted to punch her (as an example), but he ended up tapping her. In that instance, he would be guilty of the battery of the tapping, and the assault (attempted battery) of the punch.

Hope that helps.

Gee, kinda like what those CAIR goons did to (her name escapes me, the woman who filmed the Ohio incident CAIR rally and got assaulted. Not tapped, but assaulted.) Something like that, right?

145 Elric66  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:25:08pm

Im just curious. Does this guy have a higher or lower opinion of Islam after his "sentence"?

146 Zardah  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:25:16pm

# 84

I'm glad Teddy understood that we ARE a Republic, NOT a democracy..

147 Murqtaad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:25:32pm
I guess it's just me.

Ayup.

148 religion of bacon  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:25:45pm

#136 Arashi

LGF is an informational campaign.

149 Elric66  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:25:57pm

So if I knock someones hat off, I can goto jail?

150 Murqtaad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:26:58pm

Dom 139.

The sentence is stupid but it doesn't seem to have killed him. In any event what he did was also stupid and I'm pleased he learned a lesson.

What lesson would that be? To dhimmi the fuck up? Jail is the sentence for battery, not commie re-education camps.

151 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:27:36pm
#125 Amalie 10/23/2006 02:17PM PDT

Don't you hate it when you make a point and someone proves you wrong in the next few posts.

#141 Render 10/23/2006 02:23PM PDT

#125 Am

Not always. Depends on how they go about wording it.

That's true but this time it was a slam dunk proving my comment was wrong.

:D

152 ralph_wiggum  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:27:41pm

99

I do believe that is a part of a verse from the country song Independence Day. I could be wrong though.

30

That article is from 2004. If it had any substance, I'm sure the lid would have been blown off that can of worms by now.

153 Quella  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:28:10pm

Elric66 #149:

Technically speaking, yes. Knocking someone's hat off is considered an invasion of the person's personal space, and is considered a battery. If a judge wanted to be harsh, he could throw someone in jail for knocking off a hat.

154 Daisy  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:28:27pm

#19 afdad,

Horrifying. However, if this young man were jailed for his 'crime' .. he would still be subject to Islamic 'sensitivity' training in jail. CAIR has co-opted prison religious protocol. There seems to be no escaping Islamic sensitivity.

155 Murqtaad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:28:34pm

Elric66,

So if I knock someones hat off, I can goto jail?

If they feel like pressing charges, but it would probably be a fine.

156 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:28:59pm

#132 infidelwench
Good to know I'm not alone, just outnumbered.

157 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:29:38pm

Another pig's head makes an appearance at a mosque:

Pig's head left at mosque site

VANDALS splashed blood on a wall and left a pig's head at a mosque under construction in the eastern French city of Belfort, a security official said today.

France has Europe's largest Muslim community, numbering about five million, and mosques are occasionally vandalised.

Today marks the festival of Eid al-Fitr, the end of the holy month of Ramadan, when Muslims fast from dawn to dusk.

Eric Krust, deputy chief of public security in the Territoire de Belfort department said the pig's head was left on a windowsill along with splashes of blood on an area five metres long and 2.5 metres high.

Islam forbids its followers from eating pork.

Swastikas and racist slogans were scrawled on the walls of two mosques and another was set on fire last month on the day French Muslims started celebrating Ramadan.

158 SaneInMN  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:29:50pm

OT..

Nice roundup of CNN hyprocrisy from Gateway Pundit.

Here's the link...

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Here's one money quote...

Wolf Blitzer described it as "beyond the pale" to show the Mohammad cartoons but in the same interview flashed several Anti-Semitic cartoons across the screen.

159 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:29:53pm
160 Quella  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:30:36pm

finneaus #120:

If the intention of your tapping of someone's shoulder was offensive, then you could go to jail, yes.

The key is whether it was an "offensive" touching.

161 Arashi  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:30:46pm

#148 religion of bacon

I meant, has LGF and/or its readers eveer considered doing more than just posting it on this blog, like going out and actually telling people about CAIR's connections? Or, at least, making a fact sheet that individuals could hand out. I know quite a few people I'd like to show this kind of stuff to, but don't know how to compile the information (for someone who is very interested in writing and organization, I can be quite hopeless at both).

162 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:31:04pm

I'm going to knock over a Dutchboy and steal his wooden shoes. Maybe they'll send me to a hash bar.

163 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:31:22pm

Charles posted a link to the "sensitivity" training site.

Moderate Muslims still pray at the mosque, but some say conservatives have created an environment that is overly political, too rigid in its interpretation of Islam and resistant to open debate. These members also worry that the Muslim Brotherhood, a controversial group with a violent past, has an undue influence over the mosque. Despite these concerns, the critics largely remain silent, fearful of being called “unIslamic” by mosque leaders.

164 Van Impe  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:32:23pm

#142

Next week's episode of BBC drama "Spooks":

A Christian extremist group plan to take retribution on a Muslim community.

I'm not making this up.

165 Arashi  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:32:48pm

#157 NJDhockeyfan

Okay, pig's head I get. But, uh, why paint swastikas on a MUSLIM MOSQUE? I thought that was generally reserved for the Jewish peoples or neo-Nazi Christians. [/sarcasm]

Ai ya.

166 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:33:21pm

#160 Quella 10/23/2006 02:30PM PDT

finneaus #120:

If the intention of your tapping of someone's shoulder was offensive, then you could go to jail, yes.

The key is whether it was an "offensive" touching.

If someone pinches me on my ass, could I file charges against them?

167 religion of bacon  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:33:31pm

#156 Killgore Trout

FWIW, I agree with you. Touching any stranger's head is impolite and just plain wrong, no matter who they are. And if it's your unlucky day, you could easily have a gun pulled on you by the touch-ee.

The b.s. sensitivity training is also wrong, but that's a separate issue.

168 bweep  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:33:57pm

Newsnight starting online here. Featuring an interview with Iraq's deputy Prime Minister

169 SaneInMN  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:34:16pm

161...

You can start with this from...

[Link: www.anti-cair-net.org...]

Since its founding in 1994, the Council on American-Islamic Relations and its employees have combined, conspired,
and agreed with third parties, including, but not limited to, the Islamic Association for Palestine (“IAP”), the
Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (“HLF”), the Global Relief Foundation (“GRF”), and foreign
nationals hostile to the interests of the United States, to provide material support to known terrorist organizations,
to advance the Hamas agenda, and to propagate radical Islam. The Council on American-Islamic Relations,
and certain of its officers, directors, and employees, have acted in support of, and in furtherance of, this conspiracy.

-- Points to Ponder --
CAIR Employees And Officials Support Terror

Senior CAIR employee Randall Todd Royer, a/k/a “Ismail” Royer, pled guilty and was sentenced to twenty years in prison
for participating in a network of militant jihadists centered in Northern Virginia. He admitted to aiding and abetting three persons
who sought training in a terrorist camp in Pakistan for the purpose of waging jihad against American troops in Afghanistan.
Royer’s illegal actions occurred while he was employed with CAIR.

CAIR's Director of Community Relations, Bassem Khafagi , was arrested by the United States due to his ties with a
terror-financing front group. Khafagi pled guilty to charges of visa and bank fraud, and agreed to be deported to Egypt.
Khafagi’s illegal actions occurred while he was employed by CAIR.

On December 18, 2002, Ghassan Elashi, founding board member of CAIR-Texas, a founder of the Holy Land Foundation,
and a brother-in-law of Musa Abu Marzook , was arrested by the United States and charged with, among other things,
making false statements on export declarations, dealing in the property of a designated terrorist organization, conspiracy
and money laundering. Ghassan Elashi committed his crimes while working at CAIR, and was found Guilty.

CAIR Board Member Imam Siraj Wahaj, an un-indicted co-conspirator in the first World Trade Center bombing,
has called for replacing the American government with an Islamic caliphate, and warned that America will crumble
unless it accepts Islam.

Rabih Haddad served as a CAIR Fundraiser. Haddad was co-founder of the Global Relief Foundation (“GRF”).
GRF was designated by the US Treasury Department for financing the Al Qaida and other terrorist organizations
and its assets were frozen by the US Government on December 14, 2001.

170 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:34:51pm

164 Van Impe

It's merely BBC Gone Wild.

171 EC Marm  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:35:16pm

Robert Spencer wrote a great article on "Bridges" the new Islamic television channel that Charles had thread on yesterday. The offending parties are dropping the content of the web pages he links to like hot potatoes:
[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

172 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:35:21pm

No sensitivity training needed here.

Of course it is France.

[Link: famulus.msnbc.com...]

A French man was fined 700 euros ($878.7) on Mondayfor sending Jews letters with the inscription "Jew equals Zyklon B", the gas used by Nazi Germany to exterminate Jews in the Holocaust...

Rist is also under investigation over an attack on a Jewish graveyard in 2004 in which swastikas and anti-Semitic slogans were painted on 127 tombstones, and over a bomb explosion which injured one Moroccan in September 2005.
He faces trial in both cases.

173 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:35:35pm

#99 Ben Hur -- it is from a country tune called "independence day". Sean Hannity uses it as 'bumper music' (lead in to his show)
next lines are:

Let the weak be strong...
Let the right be wrong..

Roll the stone away...
let the guilty pay...
It's independence Day!

I believe it is by Sarah mclaughlin.

(any real hannity fans out there - feel free to correct me)

174 Daisy  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:35:55pm

#25 quella

"Can you imagine his being sentenced to 'sensitivity training' if he tapped a Jewish woman on the head, wearing a head scarf? (and yes, to the orthodox Jewry, this is absolutely a religious requirement)"

I can easily imagine what would have happened to a boy tugging on a Catholic nun's veil .. I saw it as a child: The nun whipped out her ever ready ruler (from wherever the Hell she was hiding it )and whacked the poor kid. End of story. It was primitive but direct .. no parents, no judges, no jails. No sensitivity either .. but that's another story :).

175 Quella  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:36:19pm

Amalie #166:

Yes, you could file charges against an ass pincher, if you wanted to!

176 Arashi  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:36:26pm

#169 SaneInMN

Thanks much! I'm definitely going to bookmark that site.

It's so disturbing, knowing this kind of thing, and still seeing CAIR being taken seriously as a legitimate, relatively unbiased group.

177 Van Impe  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:36:28pm

#158

Wolf Blitzer described it as "beyond the pale" to show the Mohammad cartoons


But showing videos of insurgent snipers killing US soldiers is apparently good journalism.

178 Dom  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:36:40pm

Murqtaad (#150),

Not to be a lout and pick on passing Muslim women.

179 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:36:57pm

Anyone see this WaPo piece?

ISLAM AND WOMEN
Clothes Aren't the Issue

MORGANTOWN, W.Va.

When dealing with a "disobedient wife," a Muslim man has a number of options. First, he should remind her of "the importance of following the instructions of the husband in Islam." If that doesn't work, he can "leave the wife's bed." Finally, he may "beat" her, though it must be without "hurting, breaking a bone, leaving blue or black marks on the body and avoiding hitting the face, at any cost."


Such appalling recommendations, drawn from the book "Woman in the Shade of Islam" by Saudi scholar Abdul Rahman al-Sheha, are inspired by as authoritative a source as any Muslim could hope to find: a literal reading of the 34th verse of the fourth chapter of the Koran, An-Nisa , or Women. "[A]nd (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them," reads one widely accepted translation.

The notion of using physical punishment as a "disciplinary action," as Sheha suggests, especially for "controlling or mastering women" or others who "enjoy being beaten," is common throughout the Muslim world. Indeed, I first encountered Sheha's work at my Morgantown mosque, where a Muslim student group handed it out to male worshipers after Friday prayers one day a few years ago.

Verse 4:34 retains a strong following, even among many who say that women must be treated as equals under Islam. Indeed, Muslim scholars and leaders have long been doing what I call "the 4:34 dance" -- they reject outright violence against women but accept a level of aggression that fits contemporary definitions of domestic violence.

180 shug  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:37:07pm

173 soccerdad

It's Martina McBride

Song is Independance Day

She's a REAL cutie.
If you like sexy eyes, you'll love Martina

181 Arashi  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:37:10pm

#173 - From what I recall, the song was sung by Martina McBride. Awesome song, too.

182 Murqtaad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:37:12pm

Amalie,

If someone pinches me on my ass, could I file charges against them?

Please don't. It won't happen again, I promise!

183 mich-again  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:37:55pm

Forcing a defendant to endure any religious indoctrination for their sentence is a violation of the 1st Ammendment. What if the kid showed up for the class eating a bag of pork rinds wearing a Mohammed T-shirt? Would that be considered contempt of court?

And for the record I say the same thing when courts force alcohol offenders to go to a certain number of AA meetings, with the program's basic premise that people need to enlist their "Higher Power" in the battle. How can an American Court force anyone to abide by others' religious beliefs.

184 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:38:11pm

#157 NJDhockeyfan
From the sidebar of your link...
French man fined over letters to Jews

A FRENCH man was fined $1165 today for sending Jews letters with the inscription "Jew equals Zyklon B", the gas used by Nazi Germany to exterminate Jews in the Holocaust.

A court in the eastern city of Colmar found Emmanuel Rist guilty of sending the letters, which included a star of David and a drawing of a can with the message on it.

The letters were sent to two regional newspapers, a local Jewish organisation, and two prominent members of the Jewish community.

"It was stupid," Rist, a former security guard, said in front of the courthouse.


Just as stupid as the pighead and knocking the hijabs off women. there's a lot of stupidity going around these days.

185 bigdicksplace  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:39:49pm

It's time to stop playing around with these animals.

186 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:40:15pm

#166 Amalie


If someone pinches me on my ass, could I file charges against them?

Hey, I said I was sorry!

187 Murqtaad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:40:22pm

Dom 178,

So communist style re-education is okay with you? Creative punishments that force feed you opinions you don't agree with are ok? That's what jail is for. You assault or batter someone, you go there. You don't go to a re-education camp. Not in the US of A, at least you didn't used to.

188 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:40:49pm

#175 Quella

Amalie #166:

Yes, you could file charges against an ass pincher, if you wanted to!


I'm plead guilty! Sensitivity taining please.

189 Gordon  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:41:18pm

As has already been stated, what the young man did could be either civil or ciminal battery.

Charles has helpfully (ha ha) bolded the part about the lady being so angry even after this young man apologized.

I ask the lizardoid orthodox Jewish ladies out there - if someone came up to you in a restaurant and pulled off your wig, but then apologized, would you still be angry?

It's one thing for a devout Islamic woman to be required to take off her headgear for a driver's license photo, to teach a class, to testify in court, a lot of things that I agree with. But it's another to go and [pull off her head covering in a restaurant.

So in a sense sensitivity training is indeed appropriate for this young man - as it appears to be approrpriate for a lot of lizardoid commenters on this site.

190 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:41:34pm

#175 Quella 10/23/2006 02:36PM PDT

Amalie #166:

Yes, you could file charges against an ass pincher, if you wanted to!

I've had numerous ass pinching incidents but have never filed charges.

For some reason I believe the courts should be there for more serious crimes and misdemeanors.

191 EC Marm  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:41:34pm

#182 Murqtaad

Amalie,

If someone pinches me on my ass, could I file charges against them?

Please don't. It won't happen again, I promise!


Glad to see you got your humor back. You seemed a little testy there for a while. Would watching the Eagles lose two games in a row in the final seconds be the reason?

192 Daisy  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:42:47pm

#139 Dom

"The sentence is stupid but it doesn't seem to have killed him."

Give the kid time. Hey, he's only 18 .. he's been sent to a crazy mosque under duress .. he might convert .. and then when he wants to go back to default mode and leave Islam - Dom, we are talking death sentence.

Don't believe me? See here:
[Link: www.westernresistance.com...]

193 Gordon  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:43:06pm

Also, for those who have emphasized the "tapping on the head" triviality - I don't think a normal tap would result in a headscarf almost coming off.

194 RationalLady  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:43:20pm

Re Song: Independence Day

I think you all have missed the point of the question, at least, the question that I've always had about that part...

What does "Let the right be wrong" mean? Why should the right be wrong? The only way I've made sense so far of that line is if it means 'what we are told by "everyone" is right'---like political correctness. Let that kind of "right" be wrong. But I don't really know. Can anyone help clarify what right is supposed to be wrong?

RL

195 Murqtaad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:44:08pm

EC Marm,

Not an Eagles fan. Those losses made my weekends. Heh.

I hate the "E.A.G.L.E.S. EAGLES!" chant.

I'm just testy because we have idiot judges bending over backwards for these islamic invaders. Eff em.

196 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:44:25pm

The Resident Titty Baby Has Spoken...

197 mich-again  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:45:09pm

189 Gordon

Great idea! Can you arrange a big CAIR-sponsored Islamic sensitivity training session for us all. I am so there!

And I think we all need Moonbat sensitivity training too.

198 Murqtaad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:45:17pm

GORDON,

If you got tapped in the head it would make a hollow sound. Now go get us JF Kerry's records or piss off.

199 Dom  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:45:20pm

Arashi (#161),

I meant, has LGF and/or its readers eveer considered doing more than just posting it on this blog, like going out and actually telling people about CAIR's connections? Or, at least, making a fact sheet that individuals could hand out. I know quite a few people I'd like to show this kind of stuff to, but don't know how to compile the information (for someone who is very interested in writing and organization, I can be quite hopeless at both).

For my part not CAIR specifically, I'm in the UK, and not a great deal, but if you think there's something to see take a look at charity registers and whatever information is publicly available, visit offices and take notes, phone interesting mobile numbers on jihadi protest ads, say salaam and ask away. Don't put yourself at extreme risk such as by leaving your number lying around and don't carry your ID if you think there's a risk. If you find anything serious pass it to responsible agencies and if you learn of anything worth covering that is out of your depth, consider which journalists take an interest in jihad and call them up, e-mail them or leave a message with the newsdesk.

200 SaneInMN  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:47:05pm

177...

Its easy to understand CNN's motivation for airing such propaganda when you accept that they (and many other in the MSM) are the enemy. Propaganda is an important weapon employed by combatants. CNN, BBC, Al-Jazera, CBS, the NY Times, and to a lesser exrtent, NBC, ABC and most of the major dailys consistently propagandize for the enemy. Whether that is their intention or not (I believe in CNN's case that it indeed is...see Eason Jordan), the fact remains their slanted news and editorials benefit the enemy. Therefore, they ARE the enemy. And, being the enemy, it makes sense to run snuff films showing American soldiers being killed, all the while justifying the coverage by citing previous stories covering American snipers. See, American snipers and terrorists are both fighting in Iraq, and who is CNN to judge which side has the moral high ground. I mean, Abu Ghraib for Christ's sake was an American disgrace. Obviously, the US forces are not what CNN would regard as the "good guys".

201 Doug  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:47:26pm

Nodrog

So in a sense sensitivity training is indeed appropriate for this young man - as it appears to be approrpriate for a lot of lizardoid commenters on this site.

I'm so so sooorrry we outed you. I promise, I'll destroy that picture of you and Andrew Sullivan doing the mambo together in that DC hotel room.

202 Ben Hur  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:48:14pm

soccerdad

I know but it makes no sense.

Aren't they weak and we strong.

Aren't we right and they wrong?

Even before 9/11?

So "let the right be wrong" "let the weak be strong" more accurately describing what THEY think?

203 BostonPatriot  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:48:18pm

Totally off-topic, but did anyone see in the new Foreign Policy they have an article talking about how Israel won the war?

204 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:48:22pm

Maybe the Appalachian Snake Handlers conduct sensitivity training.

Perhaps the Nodrog collective can be sent there next time they are caught desecrating a church or scribbling peace slogans on a cross (and you know who you are, Nodrog.)

Fortunately, offenses against logic are not punishable by religious indoctrination, or the Nodrog would be sentenced to 20 years at a Jesuit boys camp for conflating doubts about the sentence with excusing the offense.

205 Murqtaad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:48:36pm

Dom 199,

I'm in the UK

Well that explains why you have no problem with "re-education" and sensitivity training. How's that working out for you?

&_I'm_out.

206 Dom  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:48:37pm

Murqtaad, Daisy,

Like I said the sentence was stupid but I'm glad he learned a lesson. I'm not going to argue this out.

208 shug  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:49:46pm

#198 Murqtaad

GORDON,

If you got tapped in the head it would make a hollow sound.



Actually I would have thought it would be a bit more solid seeing as Nodrog suffers from chronic feco-encephalopathy

coliform gas accumulation? I guess that would cause a hollow sound.

209 mj  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:51:54pm

# 189 Gordon "...So in a sense sensitivity training is indeed appropriate for this young man - "

Gordon, even if we were to agree with your assessment, what makes you think that CAIR is the appropriate body to deliver sensitivity training?

210 Ojoe  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:52:59pm

This punishment violated both the 1st and the 8th amendments, IMHO.

211 Zardah  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:53:04pm

This kid aside, we passed the point where calls for "tolerence" were replaced by demands for priviledge and immunity over and beyond what others are afforded.

We won't tolerate wife beating, so they demand immunity from civil law.. first they demand exception and immunity for theirselves, then they demand non-muslim 'offenders' of their religious laws be made accountable and subjected to Sharia..

The next 'logical' step for them is to outpopulate non-muslims and by vote, change America or sections of it, into Islamic Theocracy and rule..

One could almost come to the conclusion that it's time to think about preservation of original American values and ways of life in a more coordinated manner before it is taken away from us completely.

Or is it already too late for that? Bill O'Riley radio show today had a lady who called in quite upset, seems when her son's school would not do a 'moment of silence' on 9/11, he got up and went out to the front of the school, stood in front of the flag and said the pledge of allegence. She (his mother) was called in to discuss her son's "inappropriate" behavior, and when she challenged them about why they would not honor the fallen on 9/11 with a moment of silence, a teacher flat out looked her in the eye and said, "because everyone knows American's are pigs" ... O'Reily promised to look into this..

Hijackings we've done nothing about:

Our schools, by leftist teachers and administrators.

Our public workplaces, by leftist administrators.

Our media, by leftist publishers and reporters

Our courts, by leftist judges.


We cannot make the mistake of the leftists in thinking it's someone elses job to save us. We need to make confrontations, overcome our fears, and encourage our peers to do the same.

212 SaneInMN  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:54:39pm

179...

Sharia has come to Morgantown, WV! My old stomping grounds! I should not be surprised, but when you find out such hate mongering was/is being perpetrated in your old home town (less than 25,000 people w/o students), its really hard to swallow.

213 Render  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:54:48pm

For whatever its worth...

When I was in 6th grade, (a long time ago), I was suspended three days for ass-pinching.

The original punishment was to be an ass-paddling. When I asked the openly gay vice-principle what the difference was, I was suspended instead.

Mom was way pissed, Dad was highly amused, but pretended to be angry.

Either way, I got the message.

Irony of it all - Years later I dated the ass-pinchee. She confided that it wasn't the pinching itself that bothered her, it was the public setting.

I got that message too...

===

Gordon - WTH is your excuse anyway?

GLAZED
DOUGHNUT,
R

214 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:56:33pm
215 Occasional Reader  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:58:13pm

Why, speaking of "sensitivity"...

Moron is selling suicide bomber T-shirts, and CNN thinks it's just a hoot. (video link under "Latest News")

216 religion of bacon  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:58:20pm

#214 tfk

He won't respond unless you put on a dress and sit next to Hitler...

217 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:59:02pm
218 godfrey  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 12:59:32pm

Amalie

I have no illusions about the efficacy. I think it's largely a joke. I just like the poetic justice of your proposed sentence. What is a just consequence and what would be effective behavioralist conditioning are two different questions.

219 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:00:35pm

#189 Gordon

Sensitivity training. Re-education.
How is our resident Stalinist today?
What Gordon is this? Can you guys start using numbers or something? That is classic Stalinism.

Got a book for you to read.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

I knew on 9/11 you guys would get together.
Liberals/Islamic terrorists. I match made in Hell.

220 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:00:47pm
221 MoonbatBane  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:02:17pm

#62 taxfreekiller 10/23/2006 01:48PM PDT

So so you think the U. S. Goverment will go after his skank as hard as they did to arrest Dog Chapman...? just a thinking thing for you Bush Bots.

Well, the US gov't is stepping to the plate for those border agents, at least the Senate Judiciary Committee is.

Even that moonbat Feinstein is on board. You can bet this isn't happening without GW's (or more accurately, the administration's) hand involved.

222 Arashi  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:02:40pm

#199 Dom

I don't think I'd make a good investigative "reporter," as it were. I'm just trying to figure out how to prove this to some people who refuse to see the light, at least where I live. I don't know if I could go to those extremes, for fear of (yes, FEAR) of some sort of horrid retribution.

223 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:03:05pm

the song Independence day, by Martina McBride (I stand corrected) and it's lyrics

Well she seemed all right by dawn’s early light though she looked a little
Worried and weak she tried to pretend he wasn’t drinkin’ aagain but daddy left
The proof on her cheek and I was only eight years old that summer and I always
Seemed to be in the way so I took myself down to the fair in town on
Independence day

Well word gets a round in a small, small town they said he was a dangerous man
But mama was proud and she stood her ground she knew she was on the losin’ end
Some folks whispered some folks talked but everybody looked the other way and
When time ran out there was no one about on indpendence day

Chours: let freedom ring, let the white dove sing let the whole world know that
Today is a day of reckoning let the weak be strong, let the right be wrong roll
The stone away, let the guilty pay, it’s independence day

Well she lit up the sky that fourth of july by the time the firemen come they
Just put out the flames and took down some names and send me to the county home
Now I ain’t sayin’ it’s right or it’s wrong but maybe it’s the only way talk
About your revolution it’s indepenednce day

Repeat chorous

Roll the stone away it’s independence day

224 Pro-Bush Canuck  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:03:37pm

#134 Elric66

What a load of crap

Here is the problem: many people have castigated Muslims for not speaking out against Islamists violence. So 38 of their most revered scholars get together and issue a statement condemning Islamic violence and seeking to join forces with the Pope in a positive message.

Some people would think this is a good thing.

Some people are no so much agaisnt jihadists as they are against anyone who happens to be born Muslim. That is called bigotry, plain and simple.

If things DO take a turn for the better the vast majority of Westerners would be relieved and will welcome Muslims into the brotherhood of man. Some however will remain filled with hatred no matter what happens. That is sad, plain and simple.

225 Render  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:04:04pm

TFK - Whats gotten into or out of your meds lately?

You're short on commas and long(er) on conspiracy theory than usual.

SMOKE
THIS,
R

226 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:04:41pm
#213 Render 10/23/2006 02:54PM PDT

For whatever its worth...

When I was in 6th grade, (a long time ago), I was suspended three days for ass-pinching.

The original punishment was to be an ass-paddling. When I asked the openly gay vice-principle what the difference was, I was suspended instead.

Mom was way pissed, Dad was highly amused, but pretended to be angry.

Either way, I got the message.

Irony of it all - Years later I dated the ass-pinchee. She confided that it wasn't the pinching itself that bothered her, it was the public setting.

I got that message too...

What a terrific post.

Ass pinching, ass paddling..

To some people that would sexual harassment, the ass pinch, and sexual molestation, the ass paddling..

227 storagemanager  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:04:51pm
Bush: Islam great religion
Published: 10.23.06, 23:43

US President George Bush sent his greetings to Muslims around the world on the start of the Id el-Fitr holiday, saying ‘Islam is a great religion.’

Bush said the US is stronger because of its Muslim citizens. (AFP)

For Petes sake!.. [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

228 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:05:15pm
229 soccerdad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:05:22pm

Ben Hur

I've only heard it a few times, but it is a catchy tune.

it is essentially about an abusive father and Husband. and the wife does him in...

heh...

So I guess the 'weak' is the mother in the tune, and the 'right' is the father...

I could be wrong, but it's just a song.
(heh...i just rhymed)

230 friarstale  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:05:38pm

I didn't read all the posts, BUT...

Should Pajamas Media interview this young man?

231 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:07:23pm
232 MoonbatBane  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:07:37pm

#189 Gordon 10/23/2006 02:41PM PDT

(a) Minor touching like that rarely is prosecuted. If it was a Christian or Jewish woman, a stern scolding is probably about the limit of what would have happened.

(b) Even give (a), we aren't upset about the prosecution, but rather the choice of punishment. Jail time or probation, while extreme for such minor contact, is the proper punishment. Forced indoctrination by a terrorist supporting group isn't proper, not to mention a slight First Amendment issue. (I know, as a moonbat, you believe "separation of church and state" only applies to Christians, but that's not the way the Constitution is written).

/duh

233 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:08:34pm

#202 Ben

The song is about child abuse/spousal abuse. At least that is what the video for the song was about.

234 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:09:06pm

#218 godfrey 10/23/2006 02:59PM PDT


Amalie

I have no illusions about the efficacy. I think it's largely a joke. I just like the poetic justice of your proposed sentence. What is a just consequence and what would be effective behavior conditioning are two different questions.

Godfrey

I agree.

What would be a just consequence and effective behavioral conditioning?

Poetic Justice is my favorite kind of justice.

235 reader  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:09:06pm

Elric66 #145,

It will probably be a higher opinion, if only because the Islam he will be presented with will have nothing to do with true Islam, which is how it is taught, widely understood by Muslims and applied where Islam is in power or has political sway. He also won't be taught or shown what the Koran actually says about non-Muslims, what the hadiths say, and what Islamic history shows, overwhelmingly. He won't hear about the history and present reality of dhimmitude, the oppression of women or slavery, or any of the ongoing ethnic cleansing in those Muslim nations that still have surviving Christian, Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist populations (they're just such tolerant people, aren't they?). He may hear some bullshit about Muslims are victims of hate crimes in America, something you never would hear about before 9/11, mainly because most Americans didn't have a firm opinion about Muslims, or knew much of anything about Islam (here's a clue: its much more than 5 pillars mentioned). He won't be told what those crimes actually are and how they are determined, nor will he likely be shown how they compare with other groups.

So far, Muslims have managed to keep the cameras out of their mosques, away from their hate conventions, their schools and almost entirely out of their countries, and that even includes showing what goes on daily in their media, what monstrous things are preached and advocated.

236 Tasty Beverage  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:10:17pm

OT

Robert Spencer will be interviewed on Glenn Beck's show about his book The Truth About Muhammad tonight at 7PM Eastern. Spencer posted:

The Beck show will air first at 7pm and then repeat at 9 and midnight, all ET, all on Headline News. That means it’s on at 4, 6 and 9pm Pacific Time. I am scheduled to be the lead interview for the night.

237 Joe Mama  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:10:26pm

Headscarf = dhimmi cap.

238 Dom  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:10:29pm

Arashi,

A brief visit to certain Muslim charities will reveal plenty of interesting links to jihad on the first wall you come across. You don't need to take a great risk.

239 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:12:42pm
240 skeej  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:12:56pm

www.sundaymirror.co.uk...] target="_blank">

241 bweep  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:12:58pm

#193 Gordon
I think the point here is that CAIR are not part of the American judicial system and should have no part in defining punishments in that system. If you think that it was some kind of assault then fine. Get elected, pass a law, and we'll have to live by it. As for any existing law, then punishment like a fine or a night in the cells would seem to fit the bill. Not a course in cowtowing to other people's primitive superstitions.

242 viahj  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:14:12pm

drip...drip...drip...

the sound of water rising, it's slow so you don't notice our civilization starting to drown under social liberalism teaming up with multicutural dhimmies to make way for...

step...step...step...

the sound of the islamic jackboot as our government stretches out our collective neck to be stomped upon. yet, if you listen carefully...

click...click...click...

the sound of us "rightwingers" loading our guns.

243 Dom  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:14:14pm

Arashi,

Charles' link above (and here) contains plenty of info. Scroll to:

Perhaps the most obvious problem with CAIR is the fact that at least five of its employees and board members have been arrested, convicted, deported, or otherwise linked to terrorism-related charges and activities.

244 EC Marm  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:14:38pm

#227 storagemanager

US President George Bush sent his greetings to Muslims around the world on the start of the Id el-Fitr holiday, saying ‘Islam is a great religion.’

Bush said the US is stronger because of its Muslim citizens. (AFP)


I had to follow your link, I didn't believe it. Today, on the anniversary of the truck bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, when many have criticized President Reagan for his nonresponse and felt that our inaction caused Muslims to feel emboldened, we get this pandering from GWB?

/shutting my computer down, I feel sick

245 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:14:49pm

#231 ploome hineni 10/23/2006 03:07PM PDT

chickEEEeetah

I hate pinches..anywhere

not fond of paddling

somthing small and nasty about pinches

I suppose I need to be more specific. Ass pinching a grown woman. I suppose this also occurs to grown men too. I have never pinched a man's ass. It just depends on when, where, and who is doing the pinching.

(I don't like general pinching either)

246 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:15:37pm

#240 skeej
Yes?

247 storagemanager  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:16:06pm
#224 pro-bush-Canuk, regarding;

Some people are no so much agaisnt jihadists as they are against anyone who happens to be born Muslim. That is called bigotry, plain and simple

Without Muhammad there is no Islam...And Muhammad said this...
Qur’an:24:55 “Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good work that He will make them rulers of the earth. He will establish in authority their religion—the one which He has chosen for them.” (Islam)

248 Arashi  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:16:39pm

Thanks much, Dom. I thought you meant (for some odd reason) to go out and start traipsing about mosques asking people about the charities. *blush* Oops on my part.

With that, I'm off for the night. Thanks again for all the info.

249 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:17:33pm
250 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:18:51pm

#224 pro-bush-Canuk

Some people are no so much agaisnt jihadists as they are against anyone who happens to be born Muslim. That is called bigotry, plain and simple

No one is "born" a Muslim. Islam is not a race.

251 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:21:49pm

Happy Eid from the RoP...
Bali bombing sentences cut

TWO Indonesians convicted over the 2002 Bali bombings that killed 202 people will be freed from jail on Tuesday after having their sentences cut to mark a Muslim holiday, prison officials said.

Similar moves in the past to cut sentences of those convicted over the attacks have been slammed by countries whose nationals died in the attack. Most of those killed by the blasts were foreign tourists, including 88 Australians.

...
A second person convicted over the bombings held in a jail in Bali would also be released after remission, another prison official said.

"Bali bomb convict Mudjarot will be freed tomorrow after receiving a remission of one month and fifteen days," Ilham Djaya, the head of Bali prison said, without elaborating. Details of his conviction were not immediately available.

The remissions are linked to celebrations on Tuesday for Eid al-Fitr to marks the end of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan.

252 ted  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:22:28pm

215 OR:
I cant believe this!
CNN is making a parody of a t-shirt modeled after a suicide belt that has maimed and killed 10's of 1000's worldwide!
This is a new low

Charles do a thread on thisl,please...
Start complaing

253 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:22:34pm

Battery is touching someone in an offensive manner. He is guilty. No problem. Open and shut.

But, to force him to learn about a religion is contrary to the First Amendment.

254 new_tommy  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:23:17pm

OT.

Want to have a little fun pranking the DNC? I just did! You can too. Got to Hot Air to find out.

255 kathyn  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:24:05pm

#236 Tasty Beverage. Thanks for the heads-up. I like Glenn Beck. He's the antithesis of PC. And I always like to see Robert Spencer.

256 Amalie  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:24:07pm

#224 pro-bush-Canuk

Some people are no so much agaisnt jihadists as they are against anyone who happens to be born Muslim. That is called bigotry, plain and simple

Call me a bigot if you wish. I believe Islam is a cult. I have not seen any evidence that it is a "religion of peace." Before September 11, 2001, I never had a second thought about Islam.

If Muslims want my respect they had better reign in their fanatics and apologize for the actions of the members of their religion. It is not up to me to be "sensitive."

It is up to them to rehabilitate their image. This is America, we do not respect any culture that presents itself as victims.

257 Ms. Anthrope  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:25:39pm

EC-Yes, the nic is most definitely a play on words, expressing perhaps my heavy sighs on the state of all things socio-political.

It was better than using a friend's quote "I hate the living" :)

258 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:26:36pm

#224 Pro-Bush

The problem is they talk out of both sides of their mouths as we have learned.
They say one thing to the public, and something completely different in their Mosques an d to their followers.

259 Killian Bundy  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:29:06pm

Train Defecator Hunted

Police are searching for a man who has been defecating on trains across the country, causing around £60,000-worth of damage.

/does Najeh Davenport have an alibi?

260 storagemanager  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:31:08pm
Ahmadinejad and Nasrallah are in contact with the Hidden Imam!
In the Twelver Shi'ism that is the official religion of Iran (and is also held by Hizballah's Nasrallah), the Imam Mahdi, the Imam-i Zaman, the Twelfth Imam, will emerge from his thousand-year occultation at a time of immense crisis and persecution for the Muslims, and will make war against the enemies of Islam, and Islamize the world.

And now: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Hassan Nasrallah have established contact with him! His return is imminent!

This comes courtesy Timothy Furnish's excellent new Mahdi Watch: "Nancy Pelosi's Not the Only One Picking Out an Office..."


CNN reporting on an armed flying carpet landing in Baghdad...More later... [Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

261 Nastification Agenda  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:31:38pm

Then there was the Mark Harding case in Canada. Harding printed protest forms, after a public school permitted auditoreum space to be used as a mosque. He was charged for suggesting that Muslims are inherently violent. No freedom of conscience north of the border?

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

Punishment for Harding's violation of Canada's laws against promotion of hatred, included taking ISNA instruction from a book by Jamaat-i-Islami' founder Maulana Maududi. In 1998, the JI invited Osama bin Laden to attend their annual party convention. Bin Laden declined attendance, in belief that Pakistan officials had murdered al-Qaeda co-founder, Abdullah Azzam. JI leaders cancelled planned visits to the ISNA/ICNA puppets in the US, after Clinton grew the balls to launch cruise missile strikes against al-Qaeda/Taliban genocide camps in Afghanistan, but waited for a politically sensitive time to launch. Al-Qaeda leaders escaped.

So who promoted hatred? This is what the ISNA required Rev. Harding to believe about non-Muslims:

"Such a man ... will spread confusion and disorder on the earth," the book says. "He will without the least compunction, shed blood, violate other men's rights, be cruel to them, and create disorder and destruction in the world. His perverted thoughts and ambitions, his blurred vision and disturbed scale of values, and his evil-spelling activities would make life bitter for him and for all around him."

"It was obvious that he intended to make sure I understood that I was a kafir," Harding said of Ashraf.

Reverend Harding was required to believe that his OWN religion was violent and "perverted." In other words: Harding was required to accept the worth of Muslim-Hate for himself, to satisfy the punitive phase of hate law enforcement. In Canada, it is legal for Muslims to hate; and illegal to hate Muslims.

I have to say it: President Bush takes annual Oval Office counsel from the ISNA - as does the State Department to this day - provide PAID consultation to Karen Hughes and the rest of the State Department doormats.

Reverse order translation of "Jamaat" "Islami" (Pakistan) yields "Islamic" "Society" (North America)

See how Karen Hughes describes the leader of JI's US rear-base terror front:

[Link: newsblaze.com...]

"I've met amazing women like Mukhtar Mai of Pakistan whose brave example is leading to changes in rape laws in that country and women like Dr. Ingrid Mattson who is with us this evening, a thoughtful scholar, a teacher and the new President of the Islamic Society of North America and I think we owe Ingrid a round of applause. (Applause.) Ingrid was one of the very first people I met when I attended the ISNA Convention last year and she's doing a wonderful job and is a wonderful leader and role model for many, many people."
---

Bush administration puppetry for aggressive-genocidal Muslims:

[Link: counterterrorismblog.org...]
Why can't Bush perceive the inherent malignancy of Muslims who are fully informed of their terror obligations? First, Americans treat that Texas shit-head as if he was a genius and moral carrier of American values. Every claim made in the pre-Revolution "divine right of kings" documents, that were supposedly repudiated in 1774, are accepted in deference to the religious fanatic who misrules America and squanders American lives of behalf of Iranian puppets in Iraq. Second, Bush can't perceive the Muslim-plague with objectivity, because his lapse-to-alcohol fears, lead him to believe that religiosity in general is a pill to deter his booze-lust. Hence, faith-based Fireant-hills infest America and subvert the Secular-State. Three, in face of the fact that Muslims view Jewish and Christian texts as "Satanic," Bush pathology conduces a deranged belief in some non-existent community of the "children of Abraham."

262 Tasty Beverage  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:32:00pm

#255 kathyn

Thanks for the heads-up. I like Glenn Beck. He's the antithesis of PC. And I always like to see Robert Spencer.

Sure thing. For those who don't know, Glenn Beck's program is on the CNN Headline News channel.

263 cbinflux  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:33:46pm

OT
They don't want another Iraq...

Muslims feel the long arm of Beijing
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

264 EC Marm  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:37:08pm

#257 Ms. Anthrope

EC-Yes, the nic is most definitely a play on words, expressing perhaps my heavy sighs on the state of all things socio-political.


One thing about lgfers, just in case you haven't lurked too long, we're just a tad suspicious. When a new name pops up we sometimes do a little research. Just so you know, that nic is being used at myspace.com You might want to take a look.

265 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:37:52pm
266 cbinflux  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:39:24pm

OT
Egyptians who enslaved girl, 10, get U.S. prison

Two Egyptian nationals who pleaded guilty to enslaving a 10-year-old Egyptian girl at their Southern California home, making her work long hours serving their family of seven, were sentenced on Monday to prison terms.
Abdel Nasser Youssef Ibrahim, 57, was sentenced to three years in federal prison and his former wife, Amal Ahmed Ewisabd Motelib, 43, was given 22 months behind bars by a federal judge. Prosecutors said the pair will be deported after serving their sentences.


[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

267 ted  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:42:53pm

As if the British aren't alreadt up to their eyeballs in shit, now some guy is leaving turds in the Tube...

268 right wing zephyr  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:45:05pm

I met a moderate Muslim once. I still depantsed him.

269 Zardah  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:46:17pm

[Link: www.luc.edu...]

Education
M.A. candidate, Cultural and Educational Policy Studies 2003- Present, Loyola University Chicago, Chicago, IL

M.Ed., Bilingual and ESL Education, 2000- 2002, Saint Xavier University, Chicago, IL

B.A., Elementary Education, 1995- 1998, Loyola University Chicago, Chicago, IL

Professional Experience
Graduate Assistant, 2004- Present, Loyola University Chicago, Chicago, IL
Awarded an assistantship in the Cultural Educational Policy Studies which consist of: Assisting in coordinating an affiliation with a Washington-based internship program for graduate students; Collecting data.

Public Education Intern, 2005- Present, Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) Chicago, IL
I work closely with CAIR-Chicago's Outreach Coordinator on the following: Create educational material on Islam and Muslims for teachers, school administrators, participants in workshops; Conduct workshops on Islam and Muslims; Coordinate CPDU workshops for educators; Create a speaker's bureau database on topics relating to Islam; Assist in setting up internships for University students and completing the necessary paperwork.

Visiting Instructor, 2003- 2004, University of Illinois Chicago, Chicago, IL
Writing Instructor at the undergraduate level during the Fall semester. During the summer session I taught a preparatory writing for entering Latino freshmen.

Public Relations Intern, 2002 - 2003, Daley Community College, Chicago, IL
Jupiter Fellowship Recipient sponsored by the Council for Advancement and Support of Education (CASE). Responsible for writing and sending out press releases to the news media on programs offered at Daley Community College and publicizing outstanding achievements of those within the community college.
Research Interests
Thesis Topic: Assessing national identity of the Raramuri in Mexico. Other Research Interest: Higher education institutions and administration, Teacher Preparation Programs; Multiculture Education, Comparative Theory; Education systems in regards to the education of minority student populations; Latin American and Middle Eastern educational systems; Impact of institutions on the development of identity and values; Bilingual language policies; Bilingual/Bicultural immersion education; Cultural and linguistic revitalization.

Publications and Presentations
Journal article under revision (at the request of Senior Associate Editor Francisco Rios) Reyes, S.A. and Zapata, V. (in press) A Constructivist Approach to Preparing Student Teachers for a Pluralist Society, Multicultural Perspectives.

Reyes, S.A. and Zapata, V. "A Constructivist Approach to Preparing Student Teachers for a Pluralist Society" Presented at the 8th UKFIET International Conference on Education and Development: Learning and Livelihood, Oxford University, Oxford, UK, September 13, 2005.

Comparative and International Education Course Archives Project (CIECAP) Presentation, Presented at the Comparative and International Education Society Annual Conference, Palo Alto, CA, March 2005.

Zapata, V. (2003) "Higher Education Enrollment in Mexico: Is it a strong predictor of democracy?" Presented at the X Seminario Cientifico Acerca de la Calidad de la Educacion: Intercambio de Experiencias Entre Profesores Cubanos y Norteamericanos, Habana, Cuba, October 29, 2003.

Zapata, V. Wagner, S., Sanchez, A., (2001) "Second Language Instruction in Cuba: A First Hand View." Presented at the Center for Educational Practice at Saint Xavier University, Chicago, IL, 2001.

International Experience
China, Cuba, Mexico, and the United Kingdom.

Languages
Spanish

Now, the reference to the raramuri in mexico is interesting.. since wikipedia says this:

Tarahumara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thus, the Devil is as much protector and life-giver to the Chabochis as God is to the Raramuri. The Tarahumara share with other Uto-Aztecan tribes a ...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarahumara - 23k - Cached - Similar pages

270 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:46:51pm
272 nonic  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:48:26pm

#224 Pro-Bush Canuck
#134 Elric66

I haven't gone and read the muslims' piece at Chiesa yet, but I have to admit that David Warren's piece does sound a bit Pollyanna-ish. (i.e., like "crap")

Thirty-eight scholars claim "love." Is that going to stop the killers? No sign of it yet.

273 cbinflux  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:49:36pm

Euro-speak, Terrorism = ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE

Taliban leader warns of fierce fighting to come

ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE

"They (the Taliban) have switched to what we call asymmetrical warfare... I expect that they will carry out more suicide attacks in Uruzgan," Peter Spijk, general of Dutch forces in Afghanistan, told the NRC Handelsblad newspaper.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

274 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:49:54pm

Islamists (CAIR - MPAC) shilling for the Dems...

VA: MUSLIMS MOBILIZE FOR NOVEMBER VOTE

Richmond - Muslims in Virginia are poised to play a sizable role in next month's election, with nearly 60,000 registered Muslim voters in the state, according to a local political organization.

Mukit Hossain, president of the Virginia Muslim Political Action Committee, said his group is working to mobilize voters to get out and vote Democratic. In a Senate race as tight as the one between Democrat Jim Webb and incumbent Republican George Allen, 60,000 voters can be the difference between a win and a loss.
...
Hossain said the group does not have a political affiliation and attempts to be nonpartisan. He said the PAC is endorsing Webb and the Democratic House candidates in Northern Virginia based on their views on civil liberties, human rights, immigration, foreign policy, health care and education.

Civili liberties = No survielance of terrorists and thier supporters

Human rights = close Gitmo and don't critisize Mo' and Muslims

Foriegn Policy = Give Iraq to Al Qaeda, support Hamas and Hezbolah, allow the Iranians to develop nukes.

275 new_tommy  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:50:17pm

Pipe bombs discovered outside U.S. embassy in Venezuela:

[Link: hotair.com...]

276 retentionguy  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:52:26pm

99 Ben Hur

Lyrics to "Independence Day"? I think it's talking about the mother in the song (Let the weak be strong). The other line might be a little more complicated... "Let the right be wrong" might be saying how the town knew what was going on in that household and thought she would never leave her abusive husband or do anything about it. That's my take on it.

277 EC Marm  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 1:53:26pm

Weekly Poll
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278 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:00:08pm
279 nonic  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:00:25pm

#253 Mandy

But, to force him to learn about a religion is contrary to the First Amendment.

I don't think it is. No one is forcing him to take up the religion (which would be unconstitutional) -- merely to learn about the religion and its culture.

How would that violate the prohibition against establishment or the freedom of exercise?

Incidentally, this was what is called a "plea bargain." He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge (battery instead of probably some kind of hate crime) in return for a lesser punishment (sensitivity training instead of jail).

Considering that sensitivity training is just a lot of crap, this guy basically got away with it.

280 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:00:27pm

Update to 270

CNN is reporting that the missing soldier is not an American but an Iraqi translator assigned to an American unit.

CNN's John Roberts is embedded with the same unit as the translator. Roberts also reports that US troops have raided an Iraqi station in connection with the search for the missing man and have uncovered a large cache of weapons and explosives. Roberts was apparently at the station when the raid went down.

281 mama winger  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:02:31pm

#279 nonic

There is no way as a Christian any judge in this world could force me to attend a mosque. No way. Nor should they.

If they wanted to sentence hime to sensitivity training, it should be sensitivity towards women, not Muslim women.

Either way it's a load of crap.

282 Egfrow  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:03:06pm

Welcome to the Divided States of Islam!

283 Prince Of Denmark  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:05:06pm
But even after I apologized, she was still so angry

What? An angry muslim who didn't burn flags or blow herself up in a bus?

She must be one of the "moderate muslims"

284 mama winger  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:05:12pm

#280 Shiplord

CNN is reporting that the missing soldier is not an American but an Iraqi translator assigned to an American unit.

Let's hope they are right, for once. My heart nearly stopped beating there for a moment.

285 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:05:40pm

#278 ploome..


From the article linked above? The topic of this thread.

Explaining that to him would be the responsibility of Veronica Zapata, the organization’s sensitivity training coordinator

286 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:07:37pm
287 lowandslow  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:08:46pm
#11 right wing zephyr
This is precisely why I am in favor of depantsing Muslims whenever you get the opportunity.

Maybe it's my sense of humor but that's pretty close to the funniest thing I've ever read here.

288 Zardah  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:11:36pm

http://www.luc.edu/education/cce/studentassociates _zapata.shtml

or

http://www.luc.edu/education/cce/studentassociates _zapata.shtml

just to be safe..

Veronica Zapata is the person the head tapping boy is supposed to get his come-upence" from..

"Explaining that to him would be the responsibility of Veronica Zapata, the organization’s sensitivity training coordinator."

289 Outrider  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:15:05pm

Vote Democrat--Because they CAIR.
Like we would see this bumper sticker. lol

290 honest scrutiny  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:15:16pm

the very notion of cair sensitivity training makes me want to puke an endless river of vomit and bile.

291 bunker buster  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:20:15pm

Does anybody else have a problem with state-mandated islamic indoctrination? This seems to me like a gross violation of this kid's civil rights under the first amendment. Where's the ACLU on this one, hmm?

Ten commandments on the courthouse wall: bad, oh so very BAD!

Forty hours of muslim indoctrination and propaganda: good!

292 laserjock  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:20:30pm

Sensitivity training is sooo 1994. You would think this joke would be over by now.

293 realwest  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:20:45pm

Anyone else having trouble posting to LGF?

294 PISSED  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:21:31pm

260 storagemanager

CNN reporting on an armed flying carpet landing in Baghdad

ROTFLMAO

295 bunker buster  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:22:03pm
#293 realwest 10/23/2006 04:20PM PDT
Anyone else having trouble posting to LGF?



Nope. Doesn't look like you are either. :-)

296 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:23:19pm
297 afdad  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:23:23pm

#224 PBC

When you get a copy of those 'Reformed Islamic Holy' books where all those nasty little Sura's, Hadiths calling for stoning, beheading, murdering infidels, etc... are removed, give me a call. Maybe then, just maybe mind you, I'll consider anyone who call themselves, or practices the Islamic faith to be someone I'm willing to share this planet with. Otherwise, I'll not willingly turn my back on any of them regardless of age, or gender!

And, Yes! I know there are things contained in the Bible that call for stoning, and such, but I'll bet you'll be very hard pressed to find any examples of the majority of Jews/Christians actually following, or calling for those particular religious practices in several hundred years, if not longer. The Spanish Inquisition doesn't count either. That was nothing more than religious corruption raising its ugly head trying to control their 'flocks' just as the Salem witch trials.

The only thing I learned from Islam is how to hate. Those who call themselves Muslim, but don't practice the faith either because they don't believe, or possibly have converted to another faith secretly, and keep quiet out of fear may someday in the future be welcomed by me into the human race! Otherwise, whatever they feel about me, I'll try to return a thousand fold.

298 shug  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:25:42pm

#293 realwest 10/23/2006 04:20PM PDT
Anyone else having trouble posting to LGF?

Nope. Looks like you're posting OK


Funny. Reminds me of the Hollywood Idiots making all sorts of Anti Bush speeches calling him Hitler and complaining Loudly about being silenced

299 PISSED  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:28:54pm

OT Magnitude 6.8 off Japan No
Tsunami warning yet---

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

300 J.D.  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:30:55pm

#293 realwest
Let me see if this works.

In case it does, let me remind you about soy!
;-)

301 nonic  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:31:07pm

#290 honest scrutiny

the very notion of cair sensitivity training makes me want to puke an endless river of vomit and bile.

Maybe so. But as a parent, I'd rather my kid did sensitivity training rather than have a record of jail time, and for what kind of a crime?

The woman, a young mother with her children, didn’t see it as harmless. She was scared and embarrassed; her faith had been attacked. She told police, and they called it battery.

He probably could have been charged with a federal civil rights violation, with this woman trying to make out that it was an attack on her faith.

This kid got off very easy for something he never should have done.

The surprising (and gratifying) part of this story is that (1) the police charged him with simple battery, and (2) the judge gave him such a light sentence.

This was almost certainly another instance of muslims pouncing on any opportunity to teach the infidels their place.

And it didn't work.

302 missouri boy  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:32:21pm

sensitivity training

I got some sensitivity training today. I just spend 2 hours being sensitive with a couple hundred rounds of 45acp and then I was sensitive with a couple hundred rounds of 9mm.

I am feeling pretty sensitive right now, 'cause the targets at the range feature terrorist looking characters.

303 6patrick6  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:33:20pm

"Sensitivity training".

What a crock of shit.

"Brainwashing" is more like it. Anytime I see that horrible term (that and "hate crime"), I just want to puke.

George Orwell would be amazed at how far we gone beyond "1984".

Amazed, and saddened, perhaps.

304 Egfrow  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:40:01pm

.___
[***___]
[***___]
[***___]
[___]
[___]

... home of the Dhimmis.

305 missouri boy  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:44:07pm

#303 6patrick6 10/23/2006 04:33PM PDT

"Sensitivity training".

What a crock of shit.

"Brainwashing" is more like it. Anytime I see that horrible term (that and "hate crime"), I just want to puke.

I am with you -- how sick can we get.
F*ck islam
*spit*

306 samhein  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:45:37pm

The first thing that popped into my mind, is just what others stated...Where is the sensitivity training for Muslims?

These people seem to forget where they are. Women in public, wearing veils, is not appropriate dress in the United States, and I think is an insult to all females here.

Again, isn't sensitivity traning needed here...? Shouldn't Muslim males be taking sensitivity classes on how you treat females of any age in the USA. Should Muslim women be taking sensitivity classes when they offend American, non Muslim women, by acting like a 3rd class citizen, in a country where women's rights were fought hard for?

If they want to live that way, and enjoy living life covered head to toe, seemingly afraid of their own shadow and what their male relatives and/or husbands might do to them if they "misbehave", then I suggest they take themselves and the rest of the clan to an Islamic country where that is the appropriate dress code, and this "behavior" IS the norm.

307 NoSubmission  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:46:37pm
He has completed required tasks that seemed ripped from reality television: watching Muslim youths play basketball, attending a 9/11 event and visiting area mosques, which Huffman called “synagogues” at the beginning of his training.

?

Okay, what do you suppose CAIR's '9/11 event' could possibly be? Dancing? Handing out candy?

308 easy  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:48:46pm

#288 Zardah

Cultural and Educational Policy Studies


That wasn't a major when I was in school.

If I had to suffer through sensitivity training, as opposed to getting my nads cut off, I have seen worse looking instructors.

309 missouri boy  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:49:18pm

You know , in the old days, if it was getting too crazy, you could pack up and move west.

Where can we go? Our only recourse is to keep buying ammo and prepare for the fight.

310 EtNorskTroll  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:53:29pm

#47 shug 10/23/2006 01:39PM PDT

If I was forced to go I would show up wearing this

Hey, Shug~!

Are you aware that the company that was making those T-shirts no longer offers them.

This, due to the backlash?

Seems like the Islamofascists are getting traction.

Call them yourself. You'll get the same answer I did...

~Norsk Troll

311 NoSubmission  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 2:54:48pm

#103 NJDhockeyfan

Turkish academic faces trial over headscarf article

Turkey is a lost cause. They'll fit right into the EU perfectly.

312 rickl  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:00:32pm

#293 realwest

Yes! I've been having trouble for the last 5-6 days. I type in a comment and hit either "preview" or "post" and it seems to hang up.

I've been able to get around it by copying my comment, quitting my browser (Safari), relaunching it, and then navigating back to the thread and pasting my comment in the window. Then I hit "preview" or "post" and it works fine.

Annoying and time-consuming, but it works.

And I've only had this problem on LGF, not elsewhere.

313 rickl  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:01:01pm

Well, that time it worked.

314 hepcat  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:01:16pm

Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America
by Brigitte Gabriel

We are facing an enemy that uses children as human bombs, mothers as suicide bombers, and men driven by the glory of death and the promise of eternal sexual bliss in heaven. We are fighting an enemy that loves death more than we love life. I am a victim of the Lebanese civil war, which was the first front in the worldwide Jihad of militant Islam against the only Christian country in the Middle East. My family’s home was shelled and destroyed leaving me wounded. I lived underground in a bomb shelter from age 10 to 17 without electricity and very little food. I had to crawl under sniper bullets to a spring to fetch water for my elderly parents. I was betrayed by my country, rescued by my enemy Israel, the Jewish State that is under attack for its existence today.

watch video

315 rickl  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:01:23pm

That time, too.

316 rickl  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:01:48pm

OK, I'll stop now. :)

317 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:05:34pm

#301 nonic

Got off easy?

I believe the typical sentence is called probation and don't do it again. Maybe a fine. This is freekin Chicago.

318 NoSubmission  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:06:50pm

314 hepcat

THANK YOU! I missed it this weekend!

:)

319 chubby vegan  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:12:40pm

Let's say a Muslim in Dearborn, MI berates an WASP female for not wearing a burka. He reaches the point where she is afraid and calls the police.

He is arrested for assault and is sentenced to attend a Christian Church and work at a Christian relief mission for two months.

Would anyone complain? Just asking.

320 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:14:48pm

Insensitivity = Thought Crime. Thot people knew this by now

321 dmc092657  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:16:05pm

He eventually told his version of the events. He said he knew he was wrong, but he was confused why the woman had become so upset.

“I understood immediately after I did it. But even after I apologized, she was still so angry,” he said. “I didn’t understand that.”

David, don't sweat it & don't waste time or energy trying to understand it because its not possible. These people are always angry about something. If they & their religion weren't inherently violent it would be mostly comical.

322 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:20:26pm

Anybody wonder why this piece was published anyway? Everyone think this was just a public interest story. It wouldn't be a nice propaganda piece now would it.
Naaa.

323 dmc092657  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:20:49pm
Ahmed Rehab, CAIR's executive director, later said he was so impressed with Huffman's development.

Hey Ahmed, I've got your development right here...

324 arf  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:22:25pm

Can he go to the sensitivity classes wearing T-shirts sporting the cartoons of blasphemy?

325 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:43:16pm
#279 nonic
#253 Mandy

But, to force him to learn about a religion is contrary to the First Amendment.

I don't think it is. No one is forcing him to take up the religion (which would be unconstitutional) -- merely to learn about the religion and its culture.

I don't have the time to search Westlaw.com to see if any case law supports my position but, forcing someone to learn about a religion is the same as forcing someone to be subjected to proselytization. It is intrusive beyond mere anger management classes and the like.

What the jerk SHOULD have been sentenced to is a course in etiquette. The very FIRST thing my son learned in preschool is that it is rude to touch another without her/his permission. That's basic courtesy. It's not forcing someone to learn about a RELIGION but, how to treat everyone with decency.

Now that I think about it, the law basically enforces polite behavior. It's rude to touch someone, to hit someone. It's rude to take things that are not yours. It's rude to turn your vehicle in front of an approaching vehicle. It's rude to speed through traffic. It's rude to not obey traffic signals.

That's the ticket: TEACH BASIC ETIQUETTE TO FIRST-TIME OFFENDERS. But, why stop there? Why not mandate etiquette courses in EVERY grade from Kindergarten to 12th?!

I ask you--and everyone else for that matter--what would happen if a Muslim ute had knocked the Bible out of a little, ol' lady from the First Baptist Church. Would he have been sentenced to learning about Christianity as believed by the Baptists? What about knocking off a yamulke? Would he have been sentenced to learn about Judaism? Which kind? Orthodox? Reform?

Nope. The only way to reach disrespectful punks such as he is to teach them manners that apply to all human interactions, number one being: KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF.

326 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:44:48pm

*pant...pant...pant* Where did *that* come from?

327 jhn1  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:48:19pm

It is almost election time here.
Can you say "judicial retentions"?
if anyone knows the judge's name, could you email it to me and I will campaign against that putz.

328 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:49:05pm

#269 Zardah

A Constructivist Approach to Preparing Student Teachers for a Pluralist Society, Multicultural Perspectives.

A true Gramscian Whore of the Caliphate.

329 MandyManners  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 3:49:55pm

WHO NEEDS CAFFEINE? I HAVE LGF!

330 EC Marm  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 4:00:07pm

#325 MandyManners
You're right. I'll have to say, thought, I didn't recognize that as your writing. Six paragraphs!
How did a simple act of rudeness turn into the necessity for a "crash" course in Islam? Methinks the judge needs to be judged.

331 christheprofessor  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 4:06:54pm

The "victim" should be glad she lives here. Under sharia, she probably would have been punished for having enticed the infidel into touching her...

332 So?  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 4:20:19pm

Even worse he could be forced to spend some time with Madonna.
She's flyin to Chicago to pout/seethe on Opera

[Link: www.thisislondon.co.uk...]

333 nonic  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 4:26:11pm

#327 jhn1

It is almost election time here. Can you say "judicial retentions"? if anyone knows the judge's name, could you email it to me and I will campaign against that putz.

Do you honestly prefer that he had sent the kid to jail?

334 Jim C.  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 4:28:31pm

Glad Charles thought this was of interest.

Of course if Huffman had beaten up a non-Muslim student, actually causing bruises and drawing blood, he probably would have been just suspended for a day or two, if he was punished at all.

"What time does fasting end today?" Zapata asked another Muslim sitting nearby.

"6:15 p.m., I think," Huffman responded out of nowhere.

They both smiled.

Not because he was right--he wasn't. But at less than 10 minutes off, he was pretty close.

And the brainwashing was almost complete. In a short while he would love Big Brother.

335 nonic  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 4:32:22pm

#325 Mandy

I agree with you about the etiquette lessons. And civil deportment in a pluralistic society and democracy.

All this "diversity" means we have to be polite with each other. And that should be taught to everybody.

336 So?  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 4:33:51pm

[Link: www.grapheine.com...]


poke mon

337 So?  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 4:36:29pm

Has anyone ever been sent to sensitivity training for pulling a Hassids hat off?


methinks NOT!

338 So?  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 4:39:18pm

#286 ploome hineni 10/23/2006 04:07PM PDT

285 hous bin pharteen 10/23/2006 04:05PM PDT

thanks

/can't this 'sentence' be appealed?


We'll have to find a good grammarian first!

339 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 5:00:43pm
340 theheat  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 5:58:12pm
But in a surprising twist, a Cook County circuit judge did not fine or jail Huffman, who pleaded guilty. He was instead ordered to undergo sensitivity training at the downtown Chicago office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the nation’s largest Muslim civil rights organization.

So, his choices were to pay a fine or undergo sensitivity training?

This is some kind of horsesh*t when a harmless prank leads to a fine or brainwashing by a religious cult (take your pick).

This is Chicago, USA, by the way. This isn't England or France. Right here, right now. Our rights are being stripped away daily until we are nothing but f*cking cattle.

If he'd skimmed the top of a Skinhead's head, would he pay a fine or undergo sensitivity training? I hardly think so. What about a Scientologist? An Amish woman? Nah. Wouldn't happen.

Stay The Course, David Huffman. Welcome to Horsesh*t America.

341 Redhand  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 6:13:57pm

I know this may be off the wall, but isn't such "sensitivity training" akin to forced religious indoctrination, and isn't that something the courts are barred from imposing under the Establishment Clause.

342 mattm  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 6:31:41pm
The woman, a young mother with her children, didn’t see it as harmless. She was scared and embarrassed; her faith had been attacked. She told police, and they called it battery.


The Horror. A hair was seen by a man. Not like a Muslims coudl cause harm to Americans, like say flyign a plane into a office building.

343 mattm  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 6:34:42pm

I hope he dosen't change and keeps his mind open to the Threat Islam poses to the US.

344 JG27_AD  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 7:54:17pm

If the young man were equipped he could have spent the time there preaching the good news of the gospel to them.

You never know...

AD

345 Pim's Ghost  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 8:17:32pm

Wow, any day now I guess the cops will be called on me too...

BTW, Ahmed Bedier is still fishing for lawsuits and attention on YouTube and his blog.

I like the Clockwork Orange thing...WWADLD? HAHAHAHAHA!

346 eclectic infidel  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 8:54:18pm

I wonder if this kid has a blog.If he does, it would be great if he blogged about the sensitivity training, dontcha think?

347 fiery celt  Mon, Oct 23, 2006 9:29:22pm
This is Chicago, USA, by the way. This isn't England or France. Right here, right now. Our rights are being stripped away daily until we are nothing but f*cking cattle

Sure this is Chicago---

This is the same place where American Citizens were thrown and literally barred and locked out of the Public Orland Town Council meeting, because they questioned the financing and there terrorist affiliations, such as Hamas(see: Bridgview Mosque) related to the building of a Mosque in Orland.

The Town Council allowed CAIR to take over the proceedings, subsequent meetings and the PR related to the Mosque.

Now, they have completed the Mosque
it is FIVE STORIES DEEP, and is built of STEEL REINFORCED CONCRETE!

It is not a mosque, it is a bunker.

Meanwhile, last year, the Orland Town Council, quietly passed an exception to the Orland Noise abatement laws---

You guessed it--- The Islamic call to prayer FIVE times a day.

348 Sabraguy  Tue, Oct 24, 2006 12:18:14am
He was instead ordered to undergo sensitivity training at the downtown Chicago office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations...

CAIR Sensitivity Training Program

Day 1: Whining Effectively (Workshop)
Day 2: How to Be Offended (Lecture)
Day 3: Seething with Others (Group Exercise)
Day 4: Making Outrageous Placards (in Art Room)
Day 5: Rioting and Burning (Practical)

Students will be expected to blame non-Muslims at all times.

349 chubby vegan  Tue, Oct 24, 2006 2:24:32am

I know I am not supposed to hate, but...
Gosh I hate these folks.

Not Muslims, just any people who flee these corrupt antiquated sh*thole countries, move to America and then try to replicate the antiquated sh*tholes they left.

350 so.cal.swede  Tue, Oct 24, 2006 5:03:35am

Here's my take on it.

If a snot-nosed frat boy wants to be funny and play pranks, he can do it on his own brothers. Knocking veils off of women whether they are islamic, jewish or orthodox christians, NOT COOL.

This little brat deserved his community service, and you people who somehow see this as "dhimmitude" are silly. What facts do you need to see that this is an isolated incident?FBI statistics?It's out there, go look it up. Jews are the biggest victims of hate crime when it comes to race, so if anything some of you should feel sympathy rather than glee/fear/anger.

Then of course there are those of you who will go on a rant about how islam is a zoophilic death cult.I really hope you come to your senses soon,or you probably will be in these statistics listed as "offender".

cheers.

351 plutosdad  Tue, Oct 24, 2006 5:44:09am
120 finneaus 10/23/2006 02:16PM PDT

so "tapping" somebody is "assault"? WTF?

Do you really believe that it was a tap? And secondly, it was on the head, not the shoulder.

I'm sure it was more than a light tap, he is a 17 year old kid who hit a woman on the head as she walked by, I'm sure he's not being honest about how hard he hit her. You think just because MAYBE he hit her lightly instead of hard that he should go on his merry way and hit other women on the head when he feels like it?

No, he deserves to be punished and taught not to knock people on the head as they pass by. It's the "sensitivity to Islam" that is the problem, his crime (yes it is a crime, yes it is assault) has nothing to do with Islam.

352 plutosdad  Tue, Oct 24, 2006 5:48:45am

#350 so.cal.swede

The problem is that his crime has nothing to do with Islam, so sensitivity to Islam training is not an appropriate punishment. Unless you want to label every single crime that a Muslim is victim of as a hate crime, and every single time a gay man is a victim as a hate crime, every single time a black person is a victim as a hate crime, etc.

The two have nothing to do with each other.

Of course, I support "tapping" him back on the head (or beating the crap out of men who grope women or physically harrass them), but then maybe that makes me a barbarian.

353 dammad  Tue, Oct 24, 2006 6:00:39am

#347 - Why aren't the ACLU and atheist organizations all over call to prayer bs? The translation of their "call" basically says allah is the only G-d blah blah blah...being announced to the whole community. Church bells are different - there is no announcement that Jesus is our Saviour..just a nice sound.

354 Pim's Ghost  Tue, Oct 24, 2006 6:28:21am

This is precisely why we cannot have the absurd laws against speech that exist in Europe now. Just imagine. We'd all be jailed, and the "sensitivity training" would start out on people like Sacha Baron Cohen! Try to imagine comedy continuing with that nonsense!

I have trouble being "sensitive" regardless...that's like asking Sarah Silverman to never use bad language again. Just can't happen.

355 CrazyFool  Tue, Oct 24, 2006 6:33:38am

Wait a miniute.

Isn't the Judge forcing Islam upon him? If I were here I would record the session and, if there is one word, one phrase, extolling me to become a muslim I would file a lawsuit again the county, judge, and CAIR for violation my freedom of religion by forcing me, under penalty of contempt, to attend.

Where's the ACLU?

356 dhimmishelter  Tue, Oct 24, 2006 2:02:43pm

Sensitivity training? From CAIR, the Conspiracy for American Islamic Republic group? This is pathetic, to genuflect before the purveyors of a Dark Ages ideology and ordered to kneel before these islamist thugs for the heinous crime of tampering with some head wrap worn by some prisoner of this islamist claptrap.

Didn't the Soviets, North Koreans, and North Vietnamese also offer sensitivity training? Oh, that's right, those were re-education camps. Sounds like CAIR is setting those up here. We should always think proper thoughts and must be trained to do so.

I find headscarves and hijabs to be culturally offensive as a relic of a Dark Ages misogynistic culture. I guess I need to be sent to a CAIR re-education camp. Oh well, at least I'll get weapons training and lessons in how to beat my wife without her showing any visible bruising.


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