Treason

Sleeping with the enemy.

dhimmi carter?

Things are only going to get worse before they get better, what with Dem 'leadership' such as this.

Thank you Reuters-lurkers for the photo to prove this outrage !

Revoke his passport and leave him stuck there.

Umm... so why is this an outrage? What did the Senator say? Senators go globe trotting all the time, I fail to see what is different here.

Is this a before or after shot?

The Democrats have been supporting the Islamist agenda to a great extent. Here is a typical example (67% of Democrats, 0% of Republicans Condemn Israel), but I'm sure there are plenty more (Jimmy Carter, Michael Moore, Keith Ellison, etc.).

The dems are just soliciting campaign contributions.

I can't call "Fristies" any more. Waaah.

Can we try Bill Nelson for treason? Item #1 in the evidence: "I met the Syrian dick-tater and all I got was this stupid kaffiyeh."

Let's see,its been proven that dems met with the Confederacy,the Kaiser,the Nazis,the NorKorComms,the Viet Cong...anyone I missed?

Seems they have quite the affinity for enemies of the US.

Some folks claim it's not as bad as we think. I think it's far worse than we suspect.

Thanks middle-of-the-road peeps, for not helping us stop the leftists.

Bloody traitors.

Selling us down the river.

I hope he at least got something out of it, like a goat.

Nelson named Janitor of the Year

We need to follow the money like never before,Kerry and Clinton will have record war chest this next election.

... seriously though he has been added to the Intelligence Committee

freesmokin;

I agree! this is no different then all the republicans that went behind Clintons back and met with Milosevic in Serbia.

/oh republicans didn't? well I am sure they wanted to and that makes it the same

/are we sure this is not a doctored photo?

Questions that need to be addressed:
1) Was this a sanctioned trip? Did State and/or Administration know.
1a) Is this a backchannels diplomatic effort, or was this a Democrat party trip designed to undermine the existing Administration policy - namely not to talk with Assad and the Islamists?
2) What was discussed? Who, what, when, where, why, and how?
3) Was this done with State Department knowledge?
4) Has the Senator been debriefed by intel agencies who might find his comments useful as to Assad's intentions?

Geez, makes you wonder who was reporting this stuff... when all we get is a photo op. Nelson's website says he was the first US representative to meet with Assad since the ISG report came out (meaning that there were other reps who visited before - again ask questions 1-4).

Meanwhile, Iran is using Olmert's comments to make hay about Israel being the threat to regional stability. Go figure.

appalling! but I am far from surprised

Where did his chin go?

And what did they talk about? The effects of Medicare Part "D" on ophthalmology? A possible "greencards for ousted dictators" immigration program? Or something more ominous for U.S. security?

Are we sure that's not Borat?

7 freetoken
When policy of the US Govt is that no talks will be held with a country then it MEANS that. At the very least, no member of the elected govt should be participating. This is obviously (note the coverage by news agencies) an 'in-your-face' stab at the President.

Further, this shows our enemies that the government is not united and that America can be manipulated through the 2 party system.

BTW, this would be Nelson's third trip to Syria.

Can you say dhimmicrat?

There isn't a totalarian a democrat wouldn't put his lips on.

... seriously though he has been added to the Intelligence Committee

Yep... Nelson will Chair the Senate Intel Committee.

Hastings (D-Fl) will chair the House Intel Committee.

Go back to sleep, America.

They're probably talking about universal health care, gay marriage, global warming, and other critically important issues that concern both Syria & Democrats.

A picture is worth 1,000 words.

Traitor.

Looks like Assad's regime is about to come under the microscope of the International Tribunal investigating the Rafiq Hariri assassination in Lebanon.

[Link: rightwingnuthouse.com...]

His brother and brother in law are both suspects.

Don't blame me, I voted for Harris.

Are you a Christian?

Must read plea from Israel.

Now is the time for all those who love Israel to stand up and be counted. Now is the time for pro-Israel Christians everywhere, and especially in the US, to rise up and cry out on behalf of God's people.

Storm the heavens with your prayers, and the White House with your pleas. Speak out now and urge US President George W. Bush to eliminate the Iranian nuclear threat once and for all.

The AP has him labeled as a "democrat" (lower case d).

#30 Buckeye Abroad

There isn't a totalarian's ass a democrat wouldn't put his lips on.

There, fixed that for ya.

#35 jetprop

Don't blame me, I voted for Harris.

Thanks for trying anyway.

I can't stand Nelson's steel wool hair.

US Constitution Article II (excerpt):

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

It is under the purview of the President to make treaties with foreign Governments, to conduct the negotiations and determine the terms of the treaty.

The Senate to vote on the Treaty and offer advice on the terms. The Senators HAVE NO BUSINESS conducting negotiations with foreign Governments in particular Terrorist State and active enemies of the United States.

I never saw anyone do something as reckless and stupid on the TV show "Jackass".

#21 lawhawk

Questions that need to be addressed:
1) Was this a sanctioned trip? Did State and/or Administration know.
1a) Is this a backchannels diplomatic effort, or was this a Democrat party trip designed to undermine the existing Administration policy - namely not to talk with Assad and the Islamists? (...)

Good questions all, but remember, Lurch paid the chinless ophthamologist a visit during the 2004 presidential campaign, did not answer any such questions... and suffered no repercussions.

If you don't have a new gun on your Xmas list then add one ASAP. I was just out yesterday practicing, in fact, took the dog too and had a swell time sending feathers flying and watching my dog retrieving my dinner.

Just make sure you get your orders in early as no telling how soon you won't be able buy one and the second amendmant goes down the tubes via another Supreme Court fiasco decision.

Does anybody know the actual substance of the meeting?

I'll have to reserve my scorn, because for all I know, Nelson may have been sent to lay the smackdown on Syria... or at least apply a little arm-twisting.

Bow to Mecca, oh Dhimmi, offer tribute to your overlords, praise your oppressor, flatter him.

Nelson's head is noticeably held low, in accordance with Koranic directives that dhimmis should avert their eyes & feel themselves subdued before Muslims.

Hamas confirmed the story :
Hamas confirms meeting with group of Democrats

A key Hamas official has confirmed reports from last week the terror group held meetings with "important Democrats."

Ahmed Yousuf, chief political advisor to Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, told the Maannews Palestinian news website that Hamas officials met recently with high-ranking American figures, "especially members of the Democratic party."

..but the Dems are still in denial.

#43 Nukem

and the second amendment goes down the tubes via another Supreme Court fiasco decision.

Over my dead body.

/NRA Life Member

Kerry prepares for tour of Mideast

Kerry said he hopes to use the regional trip, his first there in nearly year, to meet with political leaders and US troops in Iraq about solutions to the Iraq conflict. His meetings will include a session with President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, a country the Iraq Study Group recommended should be included in direct talks about the future of Iraq.

So what many democratic congressmen meet with Saddam just before the Iraqi Invasion.

We already knew they were Vichy democrats

#40 jcm

Apparently, the Democratic Party is EXEMPT from any and all Constitutional restrictions. Especially since they do not consider George W. Bush a legitimate President.

Selected, not elected...

I don't understand what the big deal about this is? Bush met with the Prince from Saudi Arabia and Bush meets with Putin all the time, despite the various polonio-nonsense. We all know the republicans can't send someone over there, but perhaps he is trying to get some Intel, and it is more believable if a Dem goes over to talk to them, bash this country.

Anyways, just cause the lefties bash this country overseas doesn't mean the lefties aren't just playing these thugs. Maybe the lefties are just bashing us to score points, making empty comments that they don't really believe. Its a ruse.

Link

Kerry prepares for tour of Mideast

Since when did foreign policy become a function of Congress?

Smells of Kerry-esque treason to me.

Nelson may not be negotiating with Assad, per se, just fact-finding, seeing how much of a radical he is. We should applaud Nelson.

#39 Ward Cleaver

Thanks for trying anyway.

I can't stand Nelson's steel wool hair.

I did my best.

Steel wool hair..lol. I can't stand his beady little eyes.

#48 freedomplow

Kerry prepares for tour of Mideast

Kerry said he hopes to use the regional trip, his first there in nearly year, to meet with political leaders and US troops in Iraq about solutions to the Iraq conflict. His meetings will include a session with President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, a country the Iraq Study Group recommended should be included in direct talks about the future of Iraq.

That should be, ummm... interesting. I hope he gets an earful.

Caption says meeting was TODAY (or maybe yesterday, Syrian time). ANYONE THINK THE MSM will even MENTION this shit?!

Soliciting campaign contributions?

#48 Freedomplow

Kerry is gonna meet

US troops in Iraq

?

That will be fun !

OT Charles, can I humbly suggest that you demote the BBC from its position high up on the MegaNews page?

#59 Poitiers-Lepanto

He said he'd apologize to anyone who (was too stupid) didn't get his botched joke.

Yes, members of both houses of Congress junket all over the world, but they don't typically stage photo-ops with heads of state that can be interpreted abroad as officially sanctioned U.S. government communications, particularly in violation of sanctions against such contact.

Yes, I know communication with bad guys such as Assad goes on all the time "through channels", under the table, using intermediaries,etc. But this is nothing but a very public attempt to undermine the administration's message by an opposition party who's on record favoring appeasement with this country's enemies.

OT:
Israelis are being warned about a potential terror attack in India.

The Foreign Ministry released an urgent terror alert Wednesday, warning Israelis not to travel Goa, India.

The ministry said they had received concrete information regarding an imminent Al-Qaida terror attack in the region. Foreign Ministry officials said that the warning applied until the end of December.

Goa, a popular tourist spot in India, is currently home to a significant number of Israeli tourists.

Counter terrorism officials highly recommended that Israeli citizens avoid sites in the Goa region for the "next few weeks." They also said that crowds or attractions popular to Israelis and Westerners should also be avoided.

#51 Sloth

The difference is that it's Bush's JOB to meet with foreigh leaders/dignataries. It is NOT congress's purview, at all.

If it's a 'ruse', it does far more harm to us than simply letting our elected President do his job of protecting us. If Dems actually supported our President in this fight we'd be out of Iraq and Afghanistan by now, victorious. We'd also be well on the way to 'sorting out' Iran and Syria, and Saudi Arabia for that matter.

who says Democrats aren't the enemy? But then again Condi is Republican

This traitor, to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, (with regard to elected officials' actions during time of war) should be arrested, convicted, and executed.

I am sick of leftist hypocrisy on this. Carter and Clinton never had any class to begin with, but their selfishly nauseating political grandstanding since their respective disgraceful terms of occupation of the White House need be compared to Reagan and Bush 41's post-Presidency behavior.

Leftists need never EVER be given political power again. I fear my reticence in supporting a military coup diminishing more every time I see one of these pseudointellectual demoncrats displaying such filthy, treasonous actions.

I'm so angry I can't see straight! Enough of this! Strip them of their US citizenship and let them live in these truly dictatorial countries. Washington and his honored brethren must be spinning at lightspeed in their graves...

Wonder who went "Greek" first? Nelson or chinless? My money is on Nelson.

Terp Mole #31

Nelson Probably feels "entitled" to act as a pro-forma Sec of State. Who's to Stop him ?

Or maybe he was there to discuss Commerce.

Hanging out with Murderous thugs can't be good for electioneering next cycle. This will come back to bite him me thinks.

OT

Pali civil war watch...

Hamas judge executed,possible revenge motive.

Well duh!

64 Iron Fist,

Actually it appears he was there at the suggestion of the State Department:

The Associated Press
WASHINGTON
Sen. Bill Nelson plans to leave Saturday for a multi-country trip to the Middle East, which will include a stop in Syria where he is expected to meet with President Basher Assad.

The trip comes after a report released this week on Iraq suggested the United States needs to reach out to Syria and Iran while building regional support for a plan to quell sectarian violence in Iraq and strengthen its fragile government.

The trip "was set before we knew what this Iraq Study Commission was going to say, but I felt the same thing, that it's not just Iraq, it's the whole region," Nelson said.

Nelson, a Democrat who beat Rep. Katherine Harris last month to win re-election, is also planning stops in Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain and Israel.

"In previous discussions with the CIA, they suggested that it's been quite a while since there's been a congressional delegation to go to Saudi Arabia and they feel like they are very important in the regional context, particularly with their influence with the Sunnis in Iraq," Nelson said.

"That's one of the things, convincing the Sunni minority that they've got to work with the Shiites in order to settle down sectarian violence."

Nelson is a member of the Armed Forces and Foreign Relations committees. He has made two previous trips to Syria.

Oh gee. Bill probably wants to make some deal with assad to one up the White House. Seems he ought to know senators can't make deals with enemies. The Tampa Trib announced his trip on the front page noting the contraversy and I see he plans to visit Kuwait, my son and family stationed there can slap him silly. But being military he will no doubt be a gentleman.

I wish I could see some good coming out of this but I don't. It may well give the idea that these tryants do not have to deal with the current administration.

#7 freetoken

Umm... so why is this an outrage? What did the Senator say? Senators go globe trotting all the time, I fail to see what is different here.

Then why the Dem denial and secrecy ?

hmm seems Khalid Meshaal is missing from the pic? surely just an oversight

The only outrage here, Charles, is your outrage.

Mein gott in himmel,

Where is him chin!?

71 Me...

Oops that should have looked like this:

The trip comes after a report released this week on Iraq suggested the United States needs to reach out to Syria and Iran while building regional support for a plan to quell sectarian violence in Iraq and strengthen its fragile government.

The trip "was set before we knew what this Iraq Study Commission was going to say, but I felt the same thing, that it's not just Iraq, it's the whole region," Nelson said.

Nelson, a Democrat who beat Rep. Katherine Harris last month to win re-election, is also planning stops in Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain and Israel.

"In previous discussions with the CIA, they suggested that it's been quite a while since there's been a congressional delegation to go to Saudi Arabia and they feel like they are very important in the regional context, particularly with their influence with the Sunnis in Iraq," Nelson said.

"That's one of the things, convincing the Sunni minority that they've got to work with the Shiites in order to settle down sectarian violence."

#61 PhoenixGirl

He said he'd apologize to anyone who (was too stupid) didn't get his botched joke.

He should do that, he should visit EACH American Warrior in Iraq and Afghanistan, ONE BY ONE, and say "I apologize, Sir".

200,000 times.

I would believe him then.

/not waiting...

#71 Cognito:

Actually it appears he was there at the suggestion of the State Department

It doesn't say that in the excerpt you cite.

All we get is Nelson's own word that the CIA "suggested" this trip. I'd like to see if anyone in the CIA or Administration backs this up.

Drop the pretences Bill, go ahead, sit in his lap.

You're missing Ricki Lake, Gordon.

The appeasers will now be able to use the ISG Report as cover for their treason and for establishing "dialogue" with Syria, Iran, etc.

I am doubly sorry Olmert didn't have the balls to eliminate Assad this past summer...toppling the Syrian regime would not have been difficult, and now, Syria must be feeling really full of itself.

#71 Congnito

That article mentions nothing of State Dept. santioning the visit.

It sounds to me like Nelson simply overstepped his authority, in his own self-importance, once he found out that Dems. won control of Congress.

I'm sick of Dems. thinking they won a mandate on the Iraq war in that election - they did not. Just the opposite, Dems won by supporting the President in the WOT.

79 O.R.,

Well, sure, a Senator could be lying about the CIA while galavanting around the Middle East. Seems a bit unlikely, though.

However, not impossible. That's why I said "appears."

Bill Nelson just went there to personally thank Assad for the campaign contributions.

Another Joe Wilson waiting in the wings?

Democrat Bill Nelson Meets with Syrian Dictator

The dems meet with him and the Republicans do nothing about him. Nothing!

As for the Syria accountibility act..

the President is required to impose two or more sanctions from the following options: a ban on all exports to Syria except food and medicine; a ban on U.S. businesses operating or investing in Syria; a ban on landing in or flying over the United States by Syrian aircraft; reduction of diplomatic contacts with Syria; restrictions on travel by Syrian diplomats in the United States; and blocking of transactions in Syrian property. While Syria has withdrawn most of its armed forces from Lebanon, some troops have remained and there is no question that Syria continues to actively arm and support Hezbollah. With the current crisis showing definitively Syria’s support for Hezbollah’s terroristic acts of war, now is the time for the United States government to fully implement all of the provisions of the Syria Accountability Act.

Did that happen?

In the end, we lose and Syria wins. That should be the real discussion here. Indeed it is not who talks to him and who does not -->but what grave consequences lie just around the bend FOR US for having done nothing about Syria

For being a baby the dictator of Syria has a mighty deep laugh...

Here he goes, the Nodrog, proud of his demonrat traitors.

Not enough blood on your hands, Gordo ? Cambodia and Vietnam not enough ?
Working for the genocide of Kurds now ?

The good old Left (hand of the darkness).

83 wvobiwan,

If the CIA asked Nelson to go, that's State Dept sanctioning, for all practical purposes.

Maybe Nelson, a former astronaut, is discussing Syria's backing of a Muslims-only colony on Mars?

/dreaming

This doesn't surprise me at all.

leftist kook Democrats have been mingling with, selling their souls, drawing strength and direction from Satan for decades.

These kinds of things have been going on for years, Jimmy Carter apologized to the kook Iranian butcher, and gave concessions to, without lifting a finger to try and rescue our citizens, right after Iran trashed our embassy and took 49 Americans hostage in Iran in the late 1970's.

The kook leftist Democrats have had Stalin as one of their true hero's, after Stalin murdered 70 million of his own countries citizens.

leftist kooks only know a few things about dealing with murderous dictator butchers,

appeasment

surrender

worthless negotiations which put America at extreme risk of attack

giving money and technology to try and "buy" peace

I have said for years, and time and history will prove me 100% accurate.

leftist kook Democrats will be the death of America.

Today's heaviest rain stays mainly North of Sacramento, the weekend Super-Mega storm is still a little unclear on path, but GFS path would bring some ok rains to the Sac Valley, and while snow levels start high, cold air moves in with intense upper low

Officially sanctioned, requested, authorized, etc. or not...

Nelson strikes me as one who is a go-along-get along guy. Why on earth anyone in the administration or the legistlature believes we can jawbone our way into a peaceful solution with countries that are known advocates and direct financial sponsors of terrorists is beyond me.

No surprise really. Most likely after his trip to visit Hamas.

Poitiers-Lepanto: We talked a lot with Stalin when we faced an even bigger enemy.

We talked a lot to Qaddafi - and it appears to have actually made a difference.

There's nothing wrong with talking to the leader of a sovereign state.

And, of course, the dreaded Baker-Hamiltion report actually suggests talking with Syria.

Talking doesn't mean agreeing. What are you afraid of, Kosovo-Manzikert?

By the way, P-L, the Pope, descendant of the Pope who financed the fleet at Lepanto, scourge of Muslims, has this to say about U.S. torturers.

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

#34 Superhawk

good link,

But nothing will happen until the Lebanese Parliament approves the enabling legislation for the Tribunal to go forward. At the moment, given the political turmoil in Lebanon, that appears a long way off.

Bodes ill for any real action,

no wonder Syria told Hezbo to set up military bivouacs in all streets of Lebanon's Govt. Buildings.

No Tribunal Legislation, No further investigation, no indictments, no convictions.

Ever so slowly the witnesses disappear.

"Justice delayed is justice denied"

#42 Rockman

Democrats - the real "jackasses".

#88 Poitiers-Lepanto

Don't bother, Leftards are not noted for their willingness to take responsibility, thats what a faceless Bureacracy is for. After all, it takes a village, don't you know?

Another possibility is that this is simply a Bush rope-a-dope (Dems being the dopes). Consider the possibility that Nelson got State approval for this meeting and that he went there to get some idea of what Assad is up to and to deliver a message (heck, Nelson could even make up a message on the fly). Bush can say that he's gone ahead and done diplomacy with Syria (and Iran via Assad) but there will be no change to policy because Iran and Syria will not stop their support of Hizbullah, insurgents inside Iraq, or their ongoing violence against Lebanon and Israel.

It's a twofer.

#91 republic

leftist kook Democrats will be the death of America.

You can't blame them for doing what they OPENLY say they want to do.

We can blame the media, for hiding them under a fog of lies.

Reading leftist press, like The Nation, makes it clear that these marxists-leninists have a great plan for the demise of the Free Society.

It's always the Quest (!) for the Paradise on Earth, you know.

/like the killing fields of Cambodia, the gulags of the USSR, the prisons of Castro...paradise

#96 Gordon 12/13/2006 09:24AM PST

Poitiers-Lepanto: We talked a lot with Stalin when we faced an even bigger enemy.

We talked a lot to Qaddafi - and it appears to have actually made a difference.

There's nothing wrong with talking to the leader of a sovereign state.

And, of course, the dreaded Baker-Hamiltion report actually suggests talking with Syria.

Talking doesn't mean agreeing. What are you afraid of, Kosovo-Manzikert?

By the way, P-L, the Pope, descendant of the Pope who financed the fleet at Lepanto, scourge of Muslims, has this to say about U.S. torturers.

[Link: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]...]

Why would you talk to someone that is dedicated to destroying your way of life? You would have been one of the stooges calling for talks with Hitler. We all see how that went.

#93 ronaldusmagnus

Nelson strikes me as one who is a go-along-get along guy. Why on earth anyone in the administration or the legistlature believes we can jawbone our way into a peaceful solution with countries that are known advocates and direct financial sponsors of terrorists is beyond me.

The critical issue, which most people seem to forget, or not even grasp to begin with, is the asshats, assad and ahmadinnerjacket, have a vision and dream which they work on every day of their lives, and they have spoken such daily, and taken actions daily, to acheive their dreams,

to wipe Israel off the map, and destroy America.

The issue goes so far beyond simply being sponsors of terror, their goal and dream is to destroy Israel and America, and they have been openly telling the world on a daily basis, for quite some time now.

#47

I will be there right with you on the front line.

I'm glad Senator Nelson wore his Sunday best. Geez, could we not match our pants to our jacket or did we misplace our baggage on the progresslave terror junket?

OT

Tell DiCaprio what you think about global warming(TM)

#99 MAddog

Don't bother, Leftards are not noted for their willingness to take responsibility

And in fact he doesn't.

It really doesn't matter to the leftists that the democratic vote in Congress condemned South Vietnam to a plunge into horror and, directly, caused the killing fields of Cambodia.
they are ready to redo the same today with the Iraqis who voted for democracy and a Constitution, with the Kurds.

With the Americans, in the end.

As we all know, "there is no terrorist threat", so they will condemn US to be killed by their islamofascist friends.

The good old left.

And of course all this is done FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE. Not for lust of power, nope nope.

#101 P-L

Reading leftist press, like The Nation, makes it clear that these marxists-leninists have a great plan for the demise of the Free Society.

It's always the Quest (!) for the Paradise on Earth, you know.

/like the killing fields of Cambodia, the gulags of the USSR, the prisons of Castro...paradise

There are 150 million freedom loving, Patriotic, hard working American firearm owners who may have a large say in their twisted dream.

Even if only 100 million of them stood up, they would be a very formidable force.

#105 Iron Fist

Likely right, short voter memories.

Hope you & girl friend 5.87 are well,

... long time no see.

Rusty steel wool hair, that is.

Does he use this stuff? I'm thinking "Hidden Honey" or "Bashful Blonde".

Hey Iron Fist!

Did Bill sing this little song to his chinless buddy?

You with the sad eyes
don't be discouraged
oh I realize
it's hard to take courage
in a world full of people
you can lose sight of it all
and the darkness inside you
can make you fell so small

But I see your true colors
shining through
I see your true colors
and that's why I love you
so don't be afraid to let them show
your true colors
true colors are beautiful
like a rainbow

Show me a smile then
don't be unhappy, can't remember
when I last saw you laughing
if this world makes you crazy
and you've taken all you can bear
you call me up
because you know I'll be there

And I'll see your true colors
shining through
I see your true colors
and that's why I love you
so don't be afraid to let them show
your true colors
true colors are beautiful
like a rainbow

#65 wvobiwan:

If Dems actually supported our President in this fight we'd be out of Iraq and Afghanistan by now, victorious.

That's absurd.

It's now clear that Bush didn't know how to win those wars, no matter how much support he had from Congress or the American people.

According to the polls right after 9-11. Bush had 90% support (or higher) from the American people, and Congress had pledged their full support. (There was exactly ONE dissenting voice in all of Congress, Barbara Lee. Nobody else.) Osama bin Laden escaped at Tora Bora anyway.

Guess whose fault that was.

Back before the Iraq War started, experts like General Abizaid insisted we needed to send a lot more troops. The Democrats agreed. Bush and Rumsfeld said no, 130,000 troops is more than sufficient.

Guess whose fault that was.

95 Iron Fist,

Part of it is simply a matter of trust, or lack thereof. Given the context of Democrats undermining the President (not just this President; think Jimmy Carter and the Norks under Clinton), this lack of trust is understandible.

Yup. I'm with you. I was just pointing out that someone within the State Dept. -- the CIA -- had suggested he go. I'm still curious as heck what those guys had to talk about.

#109 Republic

There are 150 million freedom loving, Patriotic, hard working American firearm owners who may have a large say in their twisted dream.
Even if only 100 million of them stood up, they would be a very formidable force.

That's why the lefties ALWAYS AND EVERYWHERE try to disarm the People.
In this, like in everything else, they are the twins of the fascists.

Since the People can't stand their wonderful "paradises", they must disarm these ugly guys who want to be citizens and not subjects.

This time will not work. America is different. But they will try.

Actually, they try every day: one of the best things of being an NRA Member is receiving the daily update: EVERY SINGLE day there is a demonrat here or there trying to take away the guns from the hands of the People. Every day.

#100 lawhawk

Another possibility is that this is simply a Bush rope-a-dope (Dems being the dopes). Consider the possibility that Nelson got State approval for this meeting and that he went there to get some idea of what Assad is up to and to deliver a message (heck, Nelson could even make up a message on the fly). Bush can say that he's gone ahead and done diplomacy with Syria (and Iran via Assad) but there will be no change to policy because Iran and Syria will not stop their support of Hizbullah, insurgents inside Iraq, or their ongoing violence against Lebanon and Israel.

It's a twofer.

Now, it is well known that the President is a superb poker player...

#96 Gordon

We talked a lot to Qaddafi - and it appears to have actually made a difference.

We didn't have to say a word to Qaddafi, he crapped his pants when we took Saddam out of power after 2 weeks!

Stalin had murdered over 70 million of his own citizens when we "talked" to Stalin.

Anyone, including the USA, who wouldn't put a bullet in the mans head, were complicit in his destructive murderous regime!

You will never get it Gordon, and history will prove me 100% correct.

You can't negotiate with people who will not negotiate.

History has proven this since man has been on earth, and yet, you still have this euphorian dream, that we'll all just get along somehow.

#103 republic

Agreed.

When I hear reports of diplodopes making nice with our avowed enemies, the name Neville Chamberlin keeps echoing between my ears.

In any form or degree of appeasement, good loses, evil wins.

I'd say this latest warrants a gallery of Democrats meeting with our enemies.

Let's start with the photos Kerry meeting with with North Vietnamese communists:

On Memorial Day, May 31, 2004, Vietnam Vets for the Truth broke an extraordinary story about a photograph hanging in the Vietnamese Communist War Remnants Museum (formerly known as the "War Crimes Museum") in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon). The photograph, displayed in a room dedicated to foreign activists [sic] who contributed to the Communist victory over America in the Vietnam War, shows Senator John Kerry being greeted by Comrade Do Muoi, General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam.

[Link: ice.he.net...]

It worked so well for Jackson...

Sorry but I do not see the problem with this, so long as the Senator is not negociating with a foreign regime. The president makes treaties and the senate votes on them. Should Senators of the US not be able to gather intelligence, personal intelligence, about almost anything, and go almost anywhere?

I think a good argument could be made that the Executive branch has no business telling the Legislative branch where they can or cannot go barring a congressional declaration of war (which is actually a legislative perogative anyway, though this Constitutional principle has been honored more in the breach than the observance over the past century.)

We are not at war with Syria. Perhaps we should be, but that is a separate argument. So long as this Senator is not engaging in private diplomacy, he should be able to go anywhere and talk to anybody. He just cannnot make any promises, agreements, or quid pro quos.

So far as stripping a duly elected Senator of his citizenship or trying him for treason for meeting the Chinless One, I suggest folks calm down and ponder whether you would like a President Clinton restricting a Senator's contact with foreign leaders who are not in accord with her administration's policies.

vtsurgeon

vtsurgeon #122, there are laws on the books to punish these very acts.

#114 Right Side

Is this a real post?

The Joint Chiefs came up with the troop figure, not Rumsfeld or President Bush.

Furthermore, I can't imagine how the repeated attacks on the Executive branch were meant to help win the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq. There used to be a time when the Congress would debate an issue, hold a vote, and then move forward with the policy based on that vote. The idea that members of congress should take the floor and absolutely slam the executive branch day after day is BRAND SPANKING NEW CONCEPT of the Democrat Party.

Gordon

got that link to kerry's records you promised us a while back?

#122 vtsurgeon

Don't be naive. This is showboating. This throws a monkey wrench into any attempts by the administration to hold the line with anyone, because they're announcing to these enemies that we're divided, and there's an opposition willing to do anything to undermine the administration.

If the government doesn't appear to speak with one voice, they have no voice. To the other side, they're just sayiing "don't worry, help is on the way".

#96 Gordon

One can only marvel how consistently wrong you are. But that's what being a troll is all about - and you're tops, man.

Recall that you once professed outright bigotry against Catholics while calling posters at LGF bigoted against Muslims. LOL

Now, again with your link to the "Daily Mail" in London you buy into their obviously mendacious propoganda about the Pope commenting about the US and its war on terror. First, the pope never mentioned "torture" or "torturers" in his speech, as you claim. Second, in fact he never even mentioned the US, but made the rather standard comment that the war on terror has to observe serve the principles of law and morality. Ergo, you're full of nonsense, to put it nicely.

For accurate accounts of the Pope's addresses: [Link: www.zenit.org...]

127 Earth2moonbat,

It doesn't seem to me that vtsurgeon is addressing the tone of the meeting, as much as any Senator's right to have it. Which is correct -- Legislative members don't have to ask the Executive branch's permission to go anywhere.

"In previous discussions with the CIA, they suggested that it's been quite a while since there's been a congressional delegation to go to Saudi Arabia and they feel like they are very important in the regional context, particularly with their influence with the Sunnis in Iraq," Nelson said.

That's what I figured, which is why I didn't freak out when I heard about Nelson's trip.

Nelson isn't a moonbat like McDermott and he's not trying to stir up trouble for this country.

As I've said long before the 2006 election, the U.S. cannot hope to prevail in a long struggle against Islamic radicalism unless the broad outline of that struggle is accepted and supported by BOTH political parties. Because if one party is frozen out and doesn't accept it, and eventually wins an election (like November 2006), they'll come into power and trash the policy.

Previous long-term goals like containing the USSR and landing a man on the Moon in 10 years were successful only because they didn't become political footballs. There was a lot of disagreement and debate over the mechanics and the details, but not over the goals. (As soon as Nixon made a major departure and decided that manned space exploration wasn't important anymore, that was the beginning of the end of U.S. manned exploration of outer space. From that one major policy shift, NASA never recovered.)

Bush should tell Karl Rove to take a flying jump in the lake; his divide-and-conquer electoral politics was the WRONG political advice for America at war when keeping the country united was so important. And sit down with moderate Democrats to work out some kind of anti-jihadist policy that has bipartisan support.

#125 Axiom

It's a troll. And a not-so-bright one at that.

I'm with vtsurgeon on this one. Nelson sits on both the Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees and is a member of what will be the majority party in the Senate come January.

I'm going to go with 'distasteful but necessary' intelligence gathering until I see evidence to the contrary.

#124 William

there are laws on the books to punish these very acts.

what acts would that be?

#116 P-L

Actually, they try every day: one of the best things of being an NRA Member is receiving the daily update: EVERY SINGLE day there is a demonrat here or there trying to take away the guns from the hands of the People. Every day.

I receive the daily emails from the NRA also.

The one thing that Democrats do truly understand, is that if they try and impose unjust gun control laws, which nearly all are, that those gunowners who voted them into office, will swiftly vote them out.

The Democrats, in many races this past November, ran strong Pro-gun candidates, who are sincere Pro-gun candidates, because the NRA would never back a gun control kook, and the NRA endorsed a bunch of Democrats.

This one of the key reasons why Bill Richardson has a great shot at the Dem Presidential spot.

Richardson has been hailed and endorsed by the NRA for years, and Hillary, and Obama, and Kerry and Gore vote, or have voted 99% anti-gun.

Even liberals, who are serious hunters and sportsmen, will never allow this country to take our firearms.

Our deer camp is predominatly Democrat, and many of them have pretty liberal social views, but when it comes to firearms, and gun control, their fangs come out.

#131 E2M

Concur, confirmed again and again. Oy, with the leftist talking points... enough already.

#114 Right Side

According to the polls right after 9-11. Bush had 90% support (or higher) from the American people, and Congress had pledged their full support. (There was exactly ONE dissenting voice in all of Congress, Barbara Lee. Nobody else.) Osama bin Laden escaped at Tora Bora anyway.

Guess whose fault that was.

If you knew anything about the situation at Tora Bora (and the bloody results of the frontal assault on the place by the Soviets), you know that a MILLION troops in Afghanistan would've made no difference: we could not pursue Al-Qaeda or the Taliban into Pakistan. Period. Osama would escaped no matter what we did.

Back before the Iraq War started, experts like General Abizaid insisted we needed to send a lot more troops. The Democrats agreed. Bush and Rumsfeld said no, 130,000 troops is more than sufficient.

Guess whose fault that was.

130,000 was more than sufficient for the invasion and deposing Saddam's government. The Turks suddenly refusing to allow us to use their bases caused a logistical logjam which hindered the efficiency of the operation, but the invasion went off just fine. The occupation could have used more manpower.

The Democrats and their shills turned against the War on Terror as soon as it became obvious that Bush was serious about using military force.

#107 TotallySirius

Like all the other Hollywood airheads, he's full of shit.

Why doesn't he campaign to stop Nicole Richie from driving the wrong way on the freeways?

#129 Cognito

Just because they have a right doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Comprende?

William

Those laws are passed by the Legislative branch. If congress wants to restrict its own ability to talk with anybody, it is certainly able to do so. I would argue that it is an unwise law, but probably constitutional. A Senator would then have to abide by the law, just as anyone else.

I do not think the president can forbid a Senator from travelling to a country by say, executive order, unless Congress delegates that power to him.

#28 buzzsawmonkey 12/13/2006 08:56AM PST

And those people are fools.

#132 grayp

What kind of "intelligence" do you think they're going to get by schmoozing with Assad? Fercryingoutloud...

#122 vtsurgeon

I don't see it as a problem for a member of congress to gather as much information as they can about an issue, but there has to be a line drawn. If the American government has tepid relations at best with Syria, to the point where our own Secretary of State will not meet with any Syrian delegation, it is to the detrement of the American government for members of Congress to be making overatures to Syrian government.

Syria must pay a price for continued support, both financial, territorial, and logistical, for targeting civilian populations with suicide bombings and attempts to overthrow existing governments.

LGF roundly blasted Senator Rockefeller when he revealed that he traveled to Damascus in early 2003 and told Syria that the US was going to invade Iraq.

Furthermore, these members of congress are traveling TO SYRIA to meet with them. At least meet with them on neutral territory.

Hey Havoc! How you doin'?

Umm... so why is this an outrage? What did the Senator say? Senators go globe trotting all the time, I fail to see what is different here

.

I will spot you on the globetrotting thing.

Both sides.

My problem comes with their propencity to label our elected president a terrorist, all the while, Syria has been a known sponsor, and labeled terrsorism supporting nation under both party's administrations.

They refuse to stop the inflow of terrorist help in Iraq killing our troops, they continually forward arms to hezbollah in lebanon, and have orchestrated assasinations to their south.

Recently.

Please don't tell me, you still don't see at a least some contradiction?

Especially, in light of the dems riding the wave of change professed by the electorate.

Well, what about the electorate in lebanon?

.

moderate Democrats

Ah, the appeal of the virgins in the brothel !

moderate muslims, moderate subversives, moderate nazis, slightly pregnant women,

give us more pies in the sky !

BUT ON 9/11 WE DIDN'T GET PIES FROM THE SKY, WE GOT BLOODY BOMBERS

and the traitors will pay for everything they are doing, sooner or later

wvobiwan

well, if bush is out to lunch, i am sure random senators can take over foreign policy for him, at his request or just when they feel like it. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am sure the people of florida feel this is a pressing issue for their state and nelson is representing his voters. But maybe bush did send nelson on this 'intel' mission. all seems reasonable.

137 Earth2moonbat,

Seems to me that the CIA probably has a better grasp on what's right for Nelson to do regarding Syria (as well as Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain and Israel) on this trip.

And as for questioning my comprehension -- um, no problem.

pseudointellectual demoncrats = gordon

#138 vtsurgeon

You're sidestepping the bigger issue. There are all manner of bad and destructive behaviors that are legal. That doesn't make them right. Anyone who knows the first thing about negotiations, in government of private context knows that you can't be effective having more than one point of contact. That's just basic wheeling-and-dealing 101.

#130 Right Side

Bush should tell Karl Rove to take a flying jump in the lake; his divide-and-conquer electoral politics was the WRONG political advice for America at war when keeping the country united was so important.

Are you serious? Karl Rove is responsible for the Democrats' 6 year derangement? He's the one that made them freak out in 2000? They really wanted to be supportive, but that damn Rove just wouldn't let them?

Are you trying to out-Gordon Gordon?

#133 Republic

I don't know. I hope.
But I worry that they are playing good cop/bad cop (pro gun/gun ban).

The next few years will be critical, on this too.

To all,

I am not saying I think the trip was a good idea. That may or may not be. I just think the man has a right to go, unless he is indeed violating a federal law.

I'm done. To all the (many) trolls on this thread: Bah.

#127 Earth2moonbat

This throws a monkey wrench into any attempts by the administration to hold the line with anyone, because they're announcing to these enemies that we're divided, and there's an opposition willing to do anything to undermine the administration.
If the government doesn't appear to speak with one voice, they have no voice. To the other side, they're just sayiing "don't worry, help is on the way".

Brilliant, concise, thank you.

#75 Gordon

The only outrage here, Charles, is your outrage.

Are you smoking the Chronic?

Cause only a sick Liberal or a confused pothead could make a STUPID statement like that. This SOB is sleeping with the enemy and as #6 phrobin said, we should:

"Revoke his passport and leave him stuck there"

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

152 Earth2moonbat,

I'm done. To all the (many) trolls on this thread: Bah.

As damning as that argument is, I'm curious which "trolls" you're addressing.

#140 E2M

What kind of "intelligence" do you think they're going to get by schmoozing with Assad?

tsk tsk. Such loaded language. schmoozing indeed.

Frankly, I don't know what he's doing and neither do you. But just on general principles, I don't have a problem with Senate leadership on Armed Services/Foreign Relations to have a feel for the enemy based on a meet-n-greet.

Not so OT: I have heard that many of the talking points from the Iranian Holocaust Conference used quotes from Jimmy Carter's latest book. I have seen no hard evidence. Anyone know anything about this or is this just unfounded rumor?

156 grayp,

Yup.

If it turns out he was looking for lunch money, hey, let's tar and feather him. But until then we have to assume he's working toward aims that serve the Senate and CIA.

157 Iron Fist,

I agree on the principle that patriotism is separate calling from what's merely legal. Just because it's legal to do a thing doesn't mean it has to be done.

But otherwise, it seems to me that you're speculating broadly about meetings we just don't know about. What were the substance of the talks? Maybe the CIA sent him in with pictures of Assad wearing little girl's underwear and eating a pork sandwich. Unlikely, but hey -- we just don't know.

Can someone photoshop this meeting ...like those Reserve documents...I just KNOW it was real...

After Joe Wilson's fabled trip, I do question their choices of who to send where

Cognito 44,

Does anybody know the actual substance of the meeting?

I'll have to reserve my scorn, because for all I know, Nelson may have been sent to lay the smackdown on Syria... or at least apply a little arm-twisting.

You've got this "idiot bit" down pat.

#125 Axion

The idea that members of congress should take the floor and absolutely slam the executive branch day after day is BRAND SPANKING NEW CONCEPT of the Democrat Party.

That will be news to Bill Clinton. One doesn't have to be a fan to believe that the executive branch took quite a bit of slamming while he was in office.

People in Connecticut reflexively vote Democrat in an attempt to absolve themselves of guilt over their comfortable, affluent-bucolic lifetsyles. Consequently, the state has long been stuck with Dodd, a doorknob who openly embraced El Salvador's Ortega in the 1980s. Dodd hasn't met a dictator he didn't like.

From his website:

U.S. Senator Bill Nelson, while on a fact-finding mission to Syria and Lebanon, was named today to the Senate Intelligence Committee. Incoming Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid informed Nelson of the appointment in a telephone call Monday morning to the Florida senator in Israel.

164 Murqtaad,

Hey, whatever. I come here for exchanging ideas, not calling people names and slinging spit balls.

I'm happy to hear your thoughts, but otherwise I've got better things to do.

Gordon 96,

We talked a lot to Qaddafi - and it appears to have actually made a difference.

No, you tool. What made the difference was when he saw how quick we tossed Saddam. Qaddafi wanted to maintain power. He saw the march to baghdad and wanted nothing like that to fall upon him.

Cognito

But otherwise, it seems to me that you're speculating broadly about meetings we just don't know about. What were the substance of the talks? Maybe the CIA sent him in with pictures of Assad wearing little girl's underwear and eating a pork sandwich. Unlikely, but hey -- we just don't know.

Nice image. But, heck, why should the fact that we just don't know stop us from calling this visit a treasonous act? Why muddy up the situation with facts?

Now? Can we do the lot of them for treason?

I think most LGF readers wish for greater national unity, singleness of purpose, and clearer vision in the war against Islamic fascism. I do not think they have much prospect of winning, but they may do incalcuable damage in attempting to win.

We should remember that this perception is not shared by a majority of our countrymen, and that includes many of the representatives our less perceptive fellow citizens have sent to Washington. Despite this I have faith in our democratic system and republican form of government, that our government will rally at some point. The events of 9/11 were not enough, obviously, to bring everybody to this point.

cognito,

Hey, whatever. I come here for exchanging ideas, not calling people names and slinging spit balls.

I have heard your "exchange of ideas", and they lead me to the conclusion that you're worthy of my spitballs, fool.

173 Murqtaad,

Okay.

Hey loppy,

Any chance the Red Sox will take Allen Iverson for Big Papi?

Wait isnt Syria Backing Hezbullah and also under UN investigation for the Assassination of Hariri ?

Arent there many baathists in Syria supporting the effort to murder US GIs in Iraq ?

So again tell me why we shouldnt be upset ?

#176 Bill Amos

Wait isnt Syria Backing Hezbullah and also under UN investigation for the Assassination of Hariri ?

Arent there many baathists in Syria supporting the effort to murder US GIs in Iraq ?

So again tell me why we shouldnt be upset ?

Because the Democrats have a "plan" ...

::gag::

Hi Murqy

He's not dreamy enough.

In all serialness, I heard the Celtics are interested.

When is this traitor up for re-election? I would put this photo on billboards all over Florida if I were running the opposing campaign.

Before we get too bent out of shape, Sen. Nelson is regarded as a friend of the pro-Israel community.

He is actually doing the one thing most of our legislators don't: going to a country other than France, Italy or the UK on a fact finding tour.

While I am curious what he spoke to Assad about, Nelson is innocent until proven guilty- for all you know he might have told Assad to stop killing our troops or he would introduce a War Powers Authorization.

Let's wait before we accuse him of being Benedict Arnold, he might yet be our Nathan Hale.

#180 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Before we get too bent out of shape, Sen. Nelson is regarded as a friend of the pro-Israel community.

Very interesting. I agree that judgment should be withheld pending definate information.

Last time I checked, only the President was authorized by the Constitution to negotiate with foreign powers. Senators are there to represent their State's interests at the national/federal level, not meet with hostile foreign governments.

#108 NAAH, I say "nuke them from space...its the only way to be sure."

/no sarc

108=180 PIMF

So my tax dollars are paying for our elected officials to travel to countries that would just as soon kill us as look at us so they can commiserate with our enemies about what an evil man George Bush is.

If members of both parties had embarked on this trip it might at least look like a fact-finding trip.

However, I do not feel that these particular senators have this countries best interests at heart. Who knows what they may say or promise.

I do not believe that they are going there to explain the difference between good and evil.

grayp #132 writes:

#124 William

there are laws on the books to punish these very acts.

what acts would that be?

U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953 -- "A U.S. citizen cannot go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power."  Add in that Syria is one of our current enemies, and you can probably throw in treason.
 

loppy,

I heard the Celts deal to. West/Ratliff/telfair for AI. I love Delonte West. Big time player in college here in Philly.

My girlfriend is going to the Suxers/Celts game tonight. I have to work a 12 hr shift. Life aint fair I tells ya.

Maybe we can get Dimples for AI.

#180 Let's wait before we accuse him of being Benedict Arnold, he might yet be our Nathan Hale.

Yeah lets wait for MSM to find the truth,they will spare nothing at getting to the bottom of it.
And dont forget those famous leftlast words,It is not the facts of the accusation,
Its the substance of the accusation.

wtf bill?

[Link: www.chron.com...]

Nelson is a red-state democratic senator who might have been sent packing if we'd have fielded a better candidate for his slot than Harris. Senators are not constitutionally tasked to directly determine foreign policy. Bah! Florida needs to approve a congressional "smack-upside-the-head" referendum for the next ballot so we can at least inflict pain when our representative act stupid.

Why is Syria allowed an ambassador in Washington?

Sen. Bill Nelson Defies President Bush, visits Syria

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/12/13/1301 09.shtml?s=ic

I just called his office for further explanation. The dolt that answered the phone said he was there to open up dialogue with Syria and that the ISG had recommended such dialogue.

I asked her to show me where ISG's report stated that Senator Nelson should fly to Syria and talk to Assad

She replied she couldn't.

I asked her if Senator Nelson thought it was better for him to talk to Assad rather than someone from our State Department.

She said she couldn't speak to that.

I then asked her if Senator Nelson believed that Syria supported and funded Hezbollah, a known terror organization.

She said she couldn't speak to that.

I then asked her if Senator Nelson was aware of the Syrian government being implicated in the assassination Rafik Hariri.

I could tell she didn't know who the in the hell that was so of course she replied that Senator Nelson was following the ISG's suggestion to open up dialogue...more BS.

I told her she had been very unhelpful and that he should be prepared for backlash.

She hung up.

Murqy

I don't really follow the NBA so I don't know who the other people you mentioned are. I do know that the Celtics need to get something going - not a good season so far.

Dimples is so 2004.

#182 Neo
Possible Logan Act violation?

#194 loppyd

You go, girl!

This just gives you a nice warm fuzzy feeling.

/sarc

Earth2Moonbat

She wasn't worth the wrath I wanted to unleash.

#196 xenophobic

"Possible Logan Act violation?"

If the USA didn't charge Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink for going to Jordon and meeting with Iraqi leaders this year, they certainly aren't going to charge Nelson with anything.

The Constitution only applies to Republicans, it doesn't apply to the Democrats or leftist kooks.

leftist Democrats are free to do anything they like, as is shown by their actions, and the refusal of anyone to hold them accountable.

Look at W Jefferson, the Congressman who is VIDEOTAPED taking a bribe, and stashing $90,000 from the deal in his freezer.

He just won a runoff election, and nothing will ever be made of it.

Nothing.

It makes me sick to see the corruption which Democrats get away with, and it makes me even sicker that America doesn't really seem to care.

spit!

Dimples is so 2004.

Normally I would shout blaspheme!

But you are right, He is no Ryan Howard.

Murqtaad,

Was wondering what that comment you left at my site last night was all about?

#180 Ayotallah

Thank you! Now I don't feel so bad in saying this. This is a shocker coming from Senator Nelson primarily because the man is a staunch supporter of Israel. He continually votes in favor of Israel and has sided with the Bush Administration concerning Iraq. Bill Nelson is a good man. I'd like to hear what he has to say when he returns from the trip.

That certainly doesn't mean that good men don't make bad mistakes, but I'm reserving my criticism.

Here's a few articles about the senator.

Cached article from AIPAC - Lawmakers: Hamas Must Give Up Terror Before Elections
[Link: 72.14.203.104...]

Nelson makes boycott of Israel a factor in ports deal
[Link: billnelson.senate.gov...]

[Brian] MOORE CRITICIZES SEN. NELSON FOR VOTING AGAINST IRAQ TROOP WITHDRAWAL
[Link: www.votebrianmoore.com...]

#191 Iron Fist
From your link and quote:

Since the Bush administration appears opposed to working with the Syrian government, Nelson said he felt it was his duty as a representative of the legislative branch of government to act.

"I felt like that was in the best interests of our country and in my interest as a part of a separate branch of government to go,'' he said.

Well, that pretty well ends all argument. Good catch.

There has to be legal action taken against these treasonous Wormtongues.

Prison sounds good for starters. Instead, with the crazies overseeing our government for the next two years we can count on all these traitors to get awards for peace and humanitarian efforts.

These dems are on a Congressional Delegation "CODEL" trip! It was spelled out in yesterday's Dec. 12, 2006 Congressional Hill paper, [Link: www.thehill.com...] p.6.

Dem Sen. Bill Nelson looks like Basher al-Assad's father! Really! Maybe they both use the same red hair dye.

#203 yours is what I wanted to post but did not have time to research

and yes his record on Israel is excellent.

Hey Mister Dictator, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Will you be my friend?

William

A U.S. citizen cannot go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power."

aka the Logan Act, I believe. Which, as far as I'm concerned, Jimmy Carter should be in prison for violating.

How do you know he's negotiating anything? Sorry, but these fact-finding trips are very common.

#96 Gordon (why do I bother, but what the hell):

We talked a lot with Stalin when we faced an even bigger enemy.

Yeah, I guess the terribly subtle distinction that has been lost on you, Gordon, is that Stalin was not actively funding and supporting Hitler at the time.

AuntAcid

Hey Mister Dictator, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Will you be my friend?

How very Chomskyesque...

TRAITORS. Filthy goddamned seditious TRAITORS. Nelson ought to be brought home in irons. I don't care, I DO question their patriotism. They have none. Cowards.

Rush just stated that the Bush White House opposed his visit.

So I guess Kerry was right... if you are stupid you do end up in Iraq.

I see this as a 'Murtha' ploy. He took a round-trip flight and came back an 'expert' and we can expect the same from Kerry(D).

Right after he kisses ASSad.

#122 vtsurgeon

You can parse words all you wish about whether or not we are at war with Syria/Iran/Saudi Arabia, et al - simply because our enslavement to political correctness has thus far prohibited us from formally declaring that we are at war with islamofascism - it doesn't alter the fact that they have declared war on us.

Only the President and his appointed representatives are supposed to present the "face" of the US position in dealing with foreign powers. That is not and never has been considered within the scope of congressional duties. Yet, we have Teddy Kennedy dealing with the soviets during Reagan's term in his pathetic attempt to undermine the President's foreign policy. We had that flaming asshat Jim McDermott from Washington State running around in Baghdad prior to OIF deliberately undermining the foreign policy of the US President. That racist/antisemite dipwad Jimmy Carter has been undermining every President's foreign policy since he was thrown out of office in his disgusting attempt to redeem his worthless image. Clinton is a perjurous rapist with repeated instances of failed foreign policy outcomes (Somalia and North Korea come to mind) - so why exactly are his opinions on anything considered credible?

Any parent will tell you that once a kid senses a division of opinion between his parents, he will adroitly manipulate the parents against each other to get what he wants. The only way to stop such disasterous behavior is for the parents to present a united front to the kid, and to continue to support each other, even when they disagree in private. What the democrats and the fifth columnist media have been doing to US foreign policy in the last 50 years is treasonous and utterly contemptible.

If Nelson was asked by the executive branch to go to Syria, then he's off the hook. But I'm sorry - Kennedy, McDermott, Carter, Kerry, Sheehan and those who behave similarly do not deserve the privilege of US citizenship. They do not deserve to enjoy the blessings of freedom purchased by the blood of my brothers and sisters in arms over the 200+ years we've fought and died for the United States. Carter and Kerry are even more despicable since they wore the uniform of military service, yet still act so reprehensibly selfish in pursuit of their own ego-driven self-aggrandizement.

I'd be happy to hear of a single republican in either house of congress who went to another country specifically to undermine Clinton's foreign policies, as did those I've already mentioned from the leftist side of the aisle. Name one conservative...please...because the only non-authorized buffoons that I can recall doing such are Jimmy Carter and Jesse Jackson - neither of whom are associated with the republican party or any other conservative groups.

Syrian Ambassador Slams US at CAIR-Hosted Conference.

Off point here but is this the same conference
Jeb Bush sent a letter of support to? One in which he lavished praise upon CAIR. We are either against CAIR or we are with them. Problem is we are too busy pandering to the wrong people for all the wrong reasons rather than sticking our necks out to tell the truth. So we are in the end surprised to hear that CAIR uses their evil infulence to give the Syrian Ambassador a stage to spew his hate?

Here it is. The Syrian Ambassador bashes us because he can. The Syrian ambassador is nothing but a bully because he has been allowed to. We must come to understand that we assigned Syria no consequences for their long list of obvious violations including aiding and abetting terror not to mention assassination on foreign soil. Were they not part of the axis of evil? Oh yah, we said they were but did nothing to back it up. Nothing at all. The bottom line sorry to say lies here.

And here we are the greatest strongest country on the planet wimping out every step of the way. One day out of respect for Ramadan we give a special room laden with prayer rugs to guests for a Ramadan dinner at the White House. Next thing they demand their own prayer rooms in airports and we lie down and give it to them. They do not respect us because we do not deserve it BUT because we are weak and we act weak.

The Democrats are comitting Treason, there's no other word for it.

Traitorous media-pandering scum!

What an opportunity for some radical organization to capture and "re-educate"!

What would the dems do if one of "their own" was held hostage? Invade? Negotiate?

It would be interesting to see this guy on his knees, weeping for his life in front of several hooded terrorists brandishing knives and AK's.

#35
I voted for Harris also.

218 Ojoe

The Democrats are comitting Treason, there's no other word for it.

Let me ask you a question. Without giving Syria not one consequence for their actions how can we call it treason when our elected officials go there?

Now make no mistake I feel we should have nothing at all to do with Syria except to bomb them into the stone age. (which will never happen) They should be made to pay! (which will never happen) By our doing nothing to Syria the past 6 years except a toothless threat and condemnation here and there and the Sryian Accountability act being just bravado tells Joe public, heck why not talk to the them. And they will.

This was another unabashed attempt to keep the pressure on President Bush to adopt the ISG recommendations.

The left, including Gordon, are apoplectic that it isn't working.

heh.

216 babydoc97

With all due respect - You are being naive.Like it or not this happens all of the time. The committe chairs in Congress have tremendous power and impact in foreign affairs. Junkets like these are sponsored by Lobbyist and give Senators and Congressman their first chance to learn how to shakedown foreign leaders. Makes for easy retirement. Now that the Dems control Congress leaders like Assad have little use for Republicans. Visiting foreign leaders of any persuation is commonplace.

You should read -”Charlie Wilsons War.” This well documented book credits Wilson, a party animal Dem Congressman from a very small district in Texas, with the fall of the Soviet Union - while risking a possible WWIII. He was chair of the House Appropriations committe and in a very clandestine way got the Mujahadeen weapons and eventually the missles that could penetrate the armoured Soviet helicopters. He personally visited the Mujahadeen warriors and was a hero to the warlords. All under the radar screen - no media coverage on what he was doing, the extent of his involvement or how he did it. For better or worse Reagan got the credit. This is the BEST book ever written on how things really happen in Washington and how complicated it really is. The book should be made into a movie.

I share your outrage but - once the Dems took over the Senate and Congress we should have expected this. Make no mistake about the power they have - you can use your imagination about what the future may bring.

#211 Loppyd - I was going for a Mister Rogers in da 'hood.

Bill Nelson meets Baby Assad? That's it! Into the trash with all my BeBop Deluxe and Red Noise albums!

The Sunni-Shia rift is a direct result of U.S. policies in Iraq

says the ambassador.

OH MY GOD, ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF!

What other conflicts has America caused? The repulsion between identical poles? The insolubility of phosphates?

Oh God, America comes between Sunnis and Shiites, this is enough to bring on my first use of the "F" word on LGF!

“The Sunni-Shia rift is a direct result of U.S. policies in Iraq — the policies of invasion and occupation,” Syrian Ambassador Imad Moustapha told a meeting at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., hosted by the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), a U.S. Islamic advocacy group.

Note to Syrian mouthpiece:

The Sunnis and Shias have been murdering one another in Iraq for centuries before the USA was founded. In fact they've been doing so for centuries before the ascent of the House of Saud or their subsequent sponsorship of CAIR.

And now back to your regularly scheduled propaganda.

Charles - we can quite rightly accuse Hamas of a load of awful things, but lying isn't one of them.

Perhaps cos it's haram.

“The Bush doctrine Islam has miserably and dramatically failed,” Moustapha should have said.

Now this makes sense.

Excuse me for saying so, but Harris is a freakin train wreck. There's a good reason she didn't win. The GOP wanted nothing to do with the woman. Jeb even stated he didn't think she would win. Her own campaign committee begged her to drop her bid and when she wouldn't, up and quit her! Not to mention her racist comments at the Baptist convention, "If you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin." Nelson figuratively walked to victory. He held a very modest campaign because he had it in the bag.

Nelson has always been considered a hawkish liberal or centrist liberal just like Joe Leiberman. To put him the category of Sheehan or Carter, of all things, is unbelievable ignorance, as is calling him a traitor. He is very far from that.

Having said all that, I will reiterate that this trip to Syria is a horrible move. I, a Democrat, agree with the President (see how that works?) that we shouldn't be talking to rogue nations and like it or not, Senators shouldn't make their own foreign policy decisions. That's my gut but I still would like to hear what he has to say.

Isn't that illegal? I was under the impression that meeting with foriegn heads of state (friend or foe) had to be cleared through Dept. of State?

Looks like GOP may hold onto Senate after all

Regardless of party or creed, we ALL should punish those who have American and Coalition troops' blood on their hands.

That's you Assad.
That's you Ahmedgenocide.
That's anyone who lets these criminals get by with murdering our troops and countless innocents--women, children and people looking for a day's work--with IEDs.

221 selpaw

The going-to-Syria needs to be done by the government representing all the people, not by someone under the color of a political party which represents only some of the people.

What the Democrats are doing is diminishing our soverignty right where it lies, which is with the citizen in this country. And that's something that took ages to arrive at, and much treasure and blood.

The Dems throw it away to try and get some transient power. I could spit on them.

It would be treason if they went to Canada like this.

What we should be doing with Syria as a NATION is another discussion.

I appreciate your comments & this blog.

#232 marjorie

...her racist comments at the Baptist convention, "If you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin."

Just tell me. No flights, no elaborations, no unnecessary reasoning, just tell me: How is Christianity a race?

If it's not a race, then say so, and correct your statement.

"Thursday, December 07, 2006

Why Must Democrats Always Meet With the Wartime Enemy?"

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

My thinking? Because Lefties identify with our enemies.

Also, upholding freedom is much more rigorous than keeping oneself and one's self-proclaimed victims in their place:
Lefties Up and Elite Victims Down.

Lefties use victims as a platform to climb to the top of their power perch. Victims use Lefties for the same purpose.

Symbiotic disgustingness.

Come on, the current Administration has done way more to embolden the enemy than this guy has.

239 tantraman

What you say may be true, but emboldening our enemies is always bad for us.

236 Ojoe

#236 Ojoe. Thank you for your reply.
I do agree with your premise that going to Syria needs to be done by the government but on the other side, the fact that nothing has been done about Syria does not represent all the people either. Does it?

What the Democrats are doing is diminishing our sovereignty right where it lies, which is with the citizen in this country. And that's something that took ages to arrive at, and much treasure and blood.

I agree with you. However, we diminish our sovereignty by not facing off with Syria. After all we are the greatest strongest country on the planet. Lets not forget Syria was named as an axis of evil and for being so evil they have met with no consequence. This is not for the people in any shape way or manner. Matter of fact it has the potential to harm all the people! And it will because Syria has gone unchecked. They have gotten away with eveything and more our war on terror represents.

What we should be doing with Syria as a NATION is another discussion.

No it should not be for another discussion. When will that other discussion come about? Waiting! The relevance of what has not been done concerning Syria should be the question of the day. We are fools for either ignoring it or pushing it under the table. As much as I do not agree with Nelson he has simply become a diversion to what we should sink our teeth into.

BTW: We have had backdoor talks with Syria already. Smoke and mirrors ok?

In the end what I wrote in #'s 87,217 and the post to which you replied I stand by.

I appreciate your comments & this blog.

Ditto!

Long past time to dust off the Logan Act and actually start prosecuting with it.

I have an idea.

Why don't a group of us also go talk to Syrain/Iranian leaders? We could give ourselves an official name, like, say The American Middle East Project or the United Peace Commission or some crap like that - basically it won't take much to have any kind of NGO legitimacy. Then we can go over there and talk to them.

And tell them to back off or we'll open up some American sunshine.

It's as good idea as these Dhimmiclowns treking over there.

241 selpaw

I do not mind backdoor talks, but I do mind partisan talks.

OK it would be the same discussion; then I'm for invading and getting at the Iraqi WMD which are probably in Syria, scuttlebut has them in the Bekka valley. A while back the Jordaniand foiled a terrorist attack on their soil & they represented it to the world that the foiled attack had been chemical, and had the potential to kill tens of thousands.

Feh. Here we sit, letting the enemy have whole countries as sanctuaries.

We will pay if we don't get off our butts.

Trevelyan's (sp) "Illustrated History of Englend" is a good book to show how much effort it took to evolve our freedoms, BTW.

Gotta quit now.

"Jordanians" PIMF

One link says it all...

#244: then I'm for invading and getting at the Iraqi WMD which are probably in Syria

Hang on, don't we have an insurgency in Iraq to defeat? One that according to the Pentagon would require several hundred thousand additional US and Iraqi troops.

You want to invade Syria? First things first...

I have met Bill Nelson, and as far as I could tell he has never fully recovered his mental faculties after leaving earth orbit. Bill Nelson is probably the closest thing to a real moonbat, after all he was an astronaut. I propose a new award for leftist simple minds, the "NELLIE".

#247 tantraman

Hang on, don't we have an insurgency in Iraq to defeat? One that according to the Pentagon would require several hundred thousand additional US and Iraqi troops.

You want to invade Syria? First things first...

If you spent half as much time pursuing knowledge as you did commenting on things which you know nothing about, you might have something interesting to say.

The most important military lesson of Vietnam, equally applicable to Iraq, is that you cannot constrain your warfighting to nation-state boundaries when the enemy is not similarly constrained.

Bad guys, plans, money and weapons are coming from Syria and Iran. Can't win the "insurgency" without addressing those issues.

And people say there are no differences between the parties. Here, let me spell it out for any lurking non-lizards (most lizards already know this):

Most Republican politicians are weak-spined ineffectual wimps who just want to get along and keep big business happy so they get their cush(ier) jobs after office. They are a disgrace to the legacy of Reagan.

Most Democrat politicians are traitorous slime willing to sell out the country as long as it lets them "get" their real enemies, namely GW Bush and conservatives. They are a disgrace to the legacy of this entire nation.

Add John F'n Kerry to the ship of fools

#244 Ojoe

We will pay if we don't get off our butts.

We will pay if we don't take our heads out of the sand!

247 tantraman

Hang on, don't we have an insurgency in Iraq to defeat? One that according to the Pentagon would require several hundred thousand additional US and Iraqi troops.

You bet we do need to beat off the insurgency --->most of which came from Syria, sanctioned and funded by Syria. Part of the problem of course is we did not have our guys on the Syrian border making sure the insurgents funded by Syria (axis of evil, remember?)could not cross into Iraq. Why did we not have them there? Now we pay the price.

You want to invade Syria? First things first...

First of all let us not use the "we are stretched to hell" excuse for not doing what we should have done long ago. Syria has broken every rule there is and we all know it. We also know they suffer from not one consequence because of it. For that we will suffer and suffer and suffer.

To#244:

I'm for invading and getting at the Iraqi WMD which are probably in Syria

With the help of Russia they are in Syria. Who is in charge here, Russia who is helping Iran with their nukes? What kind of insanity is this? But you see now because of the insurgency we did nothing about we can now do nothing about Iran!

As for Iraq, I stand proudly behind our soldiers. I just pray the Iraqi's in charge understand our great commitment and begin stepping up to the plate as they should. How much longer it will take to train their military is beyond me. Furthermore, I pray Iraq does not turn against us. At this point I am not sure anymore how much I trust them. Having said that we must finish the mission and pray for the best outcome. But in the mean time Syria and Iran with the help of our not good friend Russia have gotten away with murder and for that we now teeter on the abyss.

249 He's dead, Jim

Bad guys, plans, money and weapons are coming from Syria and Iran. Can't win the "insurgency" without addressing those issues.

If we address the issues that means something must be done about it. My rant the entire thread...

#253 selpaw

I see that; and a fine job you were doing...I just figured that if I said it with different words, a different cadence if-you-will, that it might get past the thick layer of cognitive dissonance built up in tantraman's head, no doubt a self-induced consequence of filtering his daily uptake of reality through an ideological sieve.

I believe it to be so, so I will ignore everything that suggests otherwise

In Vietnam (and Korea), the fear was that broadening the war beyond its initial borders would present enough of a threat to the other side (Russia, China) to risk escalating into global thermonuclear war. I don't see how anyone could construe the risks now to be similar; in fact, one might argue that it should be done precisely to prevent a regional nuclear exchange.

254 He's dead, Jim

I believe it to be so, so I will ignore everything that suggests otherwise

Or..
I believe it to be so because to think otherwise I might be forced to face truth.

in fact, one might argue that it should be done precisely to prevent a regional nuclear exchange.

Exactly!

it should be done precisely to prevent a regional nuclear exchange.

amen.

In the mean time we shall masturbate to the diversions... for it is easier and feels much better.

Bill Nelson (D-FL) is a tool of the enemy.