'bout time!

Take it like it is.

The ONLY good jihadi...

My stars! An actual, informative article from Reuters?

What is the world coming to?

300, at last count.

Any report as to how they downed the chopper? I can't find any and don't want to speculate.

Time to revise history books.
National Socialism will now be referred to as an apocalyptic Aryan cult.
Got it?

Bet we won't hear about this great victory for our GREAT soldiers in the mainstream media!

similar? the mother of all understatements?

Thanks for putting quotes around "holy". What a joke.
I think the MSM has a template that uses that phrase before any city in Iraq.

Anyway, 250 killed? A nice hours work. Keep it up.

USA Don't stop.

And congress shut up with your non-binding resolution.

REJOICE, my brethren, that your enemies perish!

How did this get by the al-Reuters editors.

Nice work guys.

Below this article...
Clinton attacks Bush's "irresponsibility" on Iraq

10 minutes ago

DAVENPORT, Iowa (Reuters) - Democratic presidential contender Hillary Rodham Clinton said in Iowa on Sunday
President George W. Bush should find a way out of
Iraq before he leaves office and called it "the height of irresponsibility" to leave the problem to the next administration.

"The president has said this is going to be left to his successor," the New York senator said during a jammed rally in a fairground exhibit hall in Davenport as she concluded a two-day campaign swing in the state that kicks off the 2008 presidential campaign.

"I think it's the height of irresponsibility and I really resent it," she said. "This was his decision to go to war, he went with an ill-conceived plan, an incompetently executed strategy and we should expect him to extricate our country from this before he leaves office."

Clinton, an opponent of Bush's plan to send more troops to Iraq, has been criticized by some Democrats for being slow to turn against the conflict and for her hesitance to renounce her 2002 vote to authorize the Iraq war.

At a news conference before she left the state, she sidestepped a question about why she would not call that vote a mistake, as other candidates have done.

"I regret deeply the way he used that authority," she said of Bush. "It is tragic the mistakes he has made in conceiving this war and executing it, especially the incompetence he has brought to the planning and implementation of his policy."

Clinton also chided journalists for repeatedly bringing up her response to a question at the rally about how she would deal with all the evil male leaders in the world.

"What in my background qualifies me to deal with evil and bad men?" she had asked at the rally, rephrasing the question and then pausing before she and the crowd broke into laughter. ...

New RoE have exponentially increased the jihadi body count this month, but the media continue to concentrate on US losses.
Their selective analysis invariably invites the reader/watcher to infer that the latter are increasing in a berserk spiral while the opposite is in fact true.

Grimmilestonegrimmilestonegrimmilestonegrimmilesto negrimmilestonegrimmilestonegrimmilestonegrimmiles tonegrimmilestonegrimmilestonegrimmilestonegrimmil estonegrimmilestonegrimmilestonegrimmilestonegrimm ilestonegrimmilestonegrimmilestonegrimmilestonegri mmilestonegrimmilestonegrimmilestonegrimmilestone

Sorry, I'm just imitating the Press. This is good news.

Get some!

#6 ironbill

Any report as to how they downed the chopper?

An unconfirmed report credits machine gun fire.

250 to 2 is a hell of a kill ratio!
That may just be the best we've ever done!
Should have done it a couple years ago, however.

(250÷2)x3,000 = 375,000 would have been by now?

Let's use these new (I hope) rules of engagement here on out.

Well its also true that Sadr's Army is the "New Mahdi Army" which is suppose to rise up to protect the Mahdi which is why the US invaded Iraq to kill him.

Honestly that is what Sadr believes.

Its more prevalent that the media knows.

Since most of the video's on "liveleak Iraq" are of the jihadi's doing damage to our troops, hopefully footage of this sweep and clean gets put on there by our bravest.

Sunni vs. Shi'ite forces. The major clashes in the region are no longer between US forces and "insurgents".

It appears that the unity of the Muslim world is fragile. Saudi Arabia will not sit idle and watch while Iranian agents take control over the country. Significant amounts of forces will probably concentrate on a battle between the two main Islamic strands in the future.

"an apocalyptic Muslim cult"

Um, for Reuters that is incredibly strong condemnation. I'm shocked they would use such direct language and actually call a spade a spade.

Doesn't mean anything has changed deep down, but it sure beats "resistance fighters" or "militants".

It's a good start.

The governor of Najaf province said the group had gathered in orchards near the city and had been planning to attack the main Shi’ite clerical leadership on Monday. It is the climax of the annual Shi’ite rite of Ashura, marking a 7th century battle which entrenched the schism between Shi’ite and Sunni Islam.

a battle to commemorate a battle. What a fun culture.

Rock on!

With the "surge" we ought to let our soldiers take their gloves off and really give it to the jihadis so Iraq can have a semblance of peace (then I guess we can get ready to kick some Iranian Butt.)

YAY TEAM!

If we had only tackled global warming beforehand, we wouldn't have to kill so many misunderstood civilian activists today. Global warming drove them to the misunderstanding of the peaceful inner struggle known as jihad.

Kerry, John F'n, and Algore, A Bridge to 21st Century Peace: the Kerry-Gore Doctrine for the Global Nerf Fight against the Tiny Minority of Misunderstood Militant Activists (GNFatTMoMMA), Los Angeles: CAIR Publications, 2007. 221-222.

#26 songbird

...(then I guess we can get ready to kick some Iranian Butt.)

Crushing Iranian skulls, is what's called for.

Will the American msm give this profound story much airtime?

Will it come, in the form of a "U.S. and Iraqi troops killed 250-300 islamoterrorists, BUT, BUT, BUT"

My guess is this story will run on the banners on the bottom of the screen, and nobody will give it any real airtime, with maybe the exception of FOX News.

It will be "Down with America" as usual for the bulk of the msm, I'm sure.

FLYING PIG MOMENT?

Official: 250 gunmen killed in Najaf
Iraqi and U.S. forces killed more than 250 insurgents in fierce battles over control of the Shiite holy city of Najaf today, an interior ministry official tells CNN. The official said hundreds of gunmen attacked with the aim of killing Shia clerics including Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani. The U.S. military helicopter went down north of the city, killing two soldiers.

But, but, Iraq's a QUAGMIRE!

You people JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!

/we need to RUN AWAY!

YES (pumping fist in air)

ALL RIGHT!

#13 J.D.
"President George W. Bush should find a way out of
Iraq before he leaves office..."

W should use the same route that Sherman took to Savannah. Via scorched earth!

OT:

BUSINESS AS USUAL MOMENT:

NEW YORK (Reuters) -- The Bush administration will notify Congress Monday that Israel may have violated agreements with Washington when it fired U.S.-supplied cluster munitions into Lebanon in its war with Hezbollah last summer, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions.

#34 yankee_mikey
We seem to be scorching some of late.

There was a bit of humor in my post.

Clinton also chided journalists for repeatedly bringing up her response to a question at the rally about how she would deal with all the evil male leaders in the world.

"What in my background qualifies me to deal with evil and bad men?" she had asked at the rally, rephrasing the question and then pausing before she and the crowd broke into laughter. ...

Heh.

As Emeril would say - ... BAM!

Just heard it mentioned on "the big story" on foxnews.

But political and security sources said they were followers of Ahmed Hassani al-Yemeni and described him as an apocalyptic cult leader claiming to be the vanguard of the Mahdi — a messiah-like figure in Islam whose coming heralds the start of perfect world justice. He had been operating from an office in Najaf until it was raided and closed down about 10 days ago.

Oh, is this the hidden Imam that Ahmedinejad has been preparing the way for? He has been hidden in Iraq all this time? Oh, wait, another vanguard, not the Mahdi.

U.S. OUT OF IRAQ NOW!

/before any more jihadis get hurt

This fits nicely with the NY Sun article a couple of days ago:

kill or capture more of the killers to ensure victory

I hope a bunch of them were potential 'splodydopes.

Disgusting Goebbelist distortion in the LA Times:

Was 9-11 really that bad?

IMAGINE THAT on 9/11, six hours after the assault on the twin towers and the Pentagon, terrorists had carried out a second wave of attacks on the United States, taking an additional 3,000 lives. Imagine that six hours after that, there had been yet another wave. Now imagine that the attacks had continued, every six hours, for another four years, until nearly 20 million Americans were dead. This is roughly what the Soviet Union suffered during World War II, and contemplating these numbers may help put in perspective what the United States has so far experienced during the war against terrorism.

The good professor omits that our reaction to 9-11 is trivial compared to our mobilization and tactics in World War 2, let alone those of the Soviet Union. I also wonder what the toll would have been by now if we had responded as leftists urged, send police agents to serve meaningless warrants on bin Laden and the Taliban.

Are they mourning at Kos right now?

BTW..here's an OT. Has anyone seen this Air America story?

Liberal AM radio fails to pay its own way in Santa Cruz

SANTA CRUZ — Al Franken, Randi Rhodes and Sam Seeder — articulate liberal pundits — don't sell well, even in Santa Cruz.

The trio are part of the nationally syndicated Air America, which was dropped from Santa Cruz radio station KOMY 1340 AM on Thursday and replaced with music from the 1950s, '60s and '70s.

The left-leaning radio network, aimed at taking on Rush Limbaugh and other conservative talk shows, debuted on Central Coast airwaves in July 2005, but local advertisers never bought in, station owner Michael Zwerling said.

"We didn't sell a single ad in a year and a half," Zwerling said Thursday. "I thought liberal radio would work as a viable advertising business in the most liberal town in America. I was wrong"

Santa Cruz isn't the only place Air America has problems. The network is struggling nationwide and filed for bankruptcy four months ago.

Zwerling put Air America on the air as an alternative to the Limbaugh program, which plays on KOMY's sister station KSCO 1080 AM every morning.

Limbaugh is a major moneymaker for the station, Zwerling said, and his show pulls the highest ratings of any program on KSCO or KOMY.

However, in Santa Cruz, where the vast majority of registered voters are Democrats and voted for Sen. John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election, Zwerling wanted to give listeners a program that better plays to their political beliefs.

Some Santa Cruzans loved Air America, Zwerling said.

But advertisers either didn't want to be associated with a station long known for a conservative stance or they simply didn't believe the show was a good place to spend their money, Zwerling said, speculating why ad sales never got off the ground despite decent ratings.

"It's an angry, nasty, pissing and moaning format where the only thing they say is 'Bush stinks' or 'Bush is bad'," he said. "No commercial advertiser wants to be associated with that"

Heh.

No calls for disproportionate response from MSM yet? Wow.

Since even CNN is reporting it, maybe we need a variant of the 48-hour rule here. By Tuesday, the MSM will probably be talking about "investigations" to see whether US-based forces killed peaceful protesters with toy guns.

#30 republic

My guess is this story will run on the banners on the bottom of the screen, and nobody will give it any real airtime, with maybe the exception of FOX News.

Um, no. It's on the homepage of the Washington Post right now.

Iraqi Soldiers Clash With Insurgents Near Najaf

Does that count as visibility in the MSM?

That's just good warfighting, I don't care what anybody says.

How 'bout whacking Mookie and his posse next, hmmmm?

#35 ibrodsky

NEW YORK (Reuters) -- The Bush administration will notify Congress Monday that Israel may have violated agreements with Washington when it fired U.S.-supplied cluster munitions into Lebanon in its war with Hezbollah last summer, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions.

Nothing like giving Israel the benefit of the doubt, and waiting for confirmation one way or the other.

If Israel is found out to have done nothing wrong, with an investigation, it won't make any difference now, many are going to assume guilt, even if evidence is to the contrary.

What ever happened to investigating allegations first, and then coming out with the evidence, instead of setting things up, for Israel to "look bad", even if the investigation turns up nothing.

I can't wait for the Muslim states to introduce a resolution at the UN condemning today's "massacre."

#8 melinwy

Bet we won't hear about this great victory for our GREAT soldiers in the mainstream media!

Charles's post is from Reuters. I think that would count as MSM.

Gunmen...insurgents...militants...students...

Not a freak'in TERRORIST in the bunch.

/damn bad luck.

an apocalyptic Muslim cult

Talk about redundancy.

RIP U.S. lads.........Welcome to hell Jihadi dogs.

ibrodsky,

I can't wait for the Muslim states to introduce a resolution at the UN condemning today's "massacre."

And f'in CAIR. Those dipshits will say something.

Yes, it is true that I was against Kyoto before I was for it. In spite of what some Rethuglican critics might opine, I don't think it was a big deal. After all, there are many other things that I have been for before I was against. Besides, my vote against Kyoto was just a badly misunderstood joke.

Kerry, John F'n, and Algore, A Bridge to 21st Century Peace: the Kerry-Gore Doctrine for the Global Nerf Fight against the Tiny Minority of Misunderstood Militant Activists (GNFatTMoMMA), Los Angeles: CAIR Publications, 2007. xi-xii.

#43 Shiplord Kirel

I also wonder what the toll would have been by now if we had responded as leftists urged, send police agents to serve meaningless warrants on bin Laden and the Taliban.

I'm curious about who said this. I pay quite a lot of attention to the news, and I never heard anyone make a statement of this type.

#51 JustMyView,

We'll see how they spin it. If the Jihadists had killed 250 American soldiers, we know that it would have been reported as a catastrophy. Given that the Jihadists have fewer people to lose, surely this is a catastrophy for them, and an important victroy for the US.

We'll see how they spin it.

#13

"Hillary Rodham Clinton said in Iowa on Sunday
President George W. Bush should find a way out of
Iraq before he leaves office and called it "the height of irresponsibility" to leave the problem to the next administration."

Hillary, we will be in Iran before he leaves so don't get your hopes up, you won't have to worry about it anyway. Go back to counting the veneral warts on bill and wonder where he got them from.

#49 republic 1/28/2007 02:29PM PST

Nothing like giving Israel the benefit of the doubt, and waiting for confirmation one way or the other.

If Israel is found out to have done nothing wrong, with an investigation, it won't make any difference now, many are going to assume guilt, even if evidence is to the contrary.

What ever happened to investigating allegations first, and then coming out with the evidence, instead of setting things up, for Israel to "look bad", even if the investigation turns up nothing.

The whole thing is a farce. Hezb'allah was purposely firing rockets at civilian areas to kill as many Jews as possible. Meanwhile, the IDF was ethical to a fault, even warning the terrorists before bombing.

It's easy for the US to tell tiny, surrounded Israel to risk its survival being nice to a civilian population that provides recruits and material support for terrorists.

#47 JustMyView

Um, no. It's on the homepage of the Washington Post right now.

Iraqi Soldiers Clash With Insurgents Near Najaf

Does that count as visibility in the MSM?

I'm sure the WaPost doesn't have 200,000 people looking at it on any given day, and I don't consider any newspaper websites as msm.

I'm talking about msm like NBC, "The Today Show", for example!

Do you think Matt Lauer is going to spend much of the morning tommorow, telling Americans that there is success in Iraq with this story?

Do you think perky, but seething Katie Couric will spend a bunch of time on the fact that there are and have been many successes in Iraq?

How about Russert?

Olbermann?

Chris Mathews?

I'm talking about the msm that millions of people watch everyday on their tv's.

Like I said, and I stand by what I said, for the majority of the msm, there will be nothing more than a very cosmetic story about this, probably on a banner at the bottom of the screen, and most will in no way, use this as a story for the positive.

Q: What do you call 250 dead jihadis?

A: A good start.

Go troops!

A heapin' helpin' of AC-130 Gunship if you please.

Any Iranians ?

An Iraqi army source said some of the dead wore headbands declaring themselves a “Soldier of Heaven.”

I heard they had them on wrong. Turned around, they say "Welcome to Hell, Sucker!".

If this type of action had been taken daily from the beginning of the war until hostilities ceased and the enemy was completely made impotent, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. This is what you do in warfare instead of baby sitting a bunch of 7th century freaks and walking time capsules. If they want democracy later, fine, if they don't, fine. Our job should be to make them a lesser threat to our interests and way of life. If that means they are perpetually left in hopeless backwardness, or that they have chosen to join the 21st century, it makes little difference to me as long as the threat is managed. Time to continue a daily non-stop mission like the one underway now in Najaf in the rest of Anbar Province. Bush shouldn't listen to the cries of the media, our enemies, hell, even 50% of ourselves now until the mission is truly complete. The next roadside bomb that explodes killing our troops near Fallujah, bye bye Fallujah. That's how you win. Besides, who would even notice that Fallujah was missing the next day when you think about it.

O/T (re: Republican prez, candidates)--

Has anyone checked out this guy? He seems like a good choice from what I can see.

McCain-- RINO
Giuliani-- 2nd amendment issues
Romney-- hate to say it, but the mormon thing won't fly

Thoughts?

U.S. and Iraqi forces killed some 250 gunmen from an apocalyptic Muslim cult on Sunday

It's called "Islam".

We have seen the pariah and the pariah is us. We have ravaged poor, downtrodden militant civilian freedom fighters in Iraq in a fashion reminiscent of Chinghis Khan. We have cooked their brains with additional heat of global warming and led them into a heat-induced jihadist frenzy. They can't be blamed for their actions.

Kerry, John F'n, and Algore, An Inconvenient Bridge to 21st Century Peace: the Kerry-Gore Doctrine for the Global Nerf Fight against the Tiny Minority of Misunderstood Militant Activists (GNFatTMoMMA), Los Angeles: CAIR Publications, 2007. xi-xii.

#66 blue_like_jazz,

Guiliani needs to have a "Sister Soulja" moment on the 2^nd Amendment. "Oh, yeah, they meant what they wrote!"

Him coming around to an originalist interpretation of the 2^nd Amendment would almost guarentee him the nomination.

I suspect it is a matter of time. It is, after all, the correct position. :-)

#57 JustmyView

The Berkeley city council passed a resolution just after 9-11 urging just that. Look back at the LGF archives for that period and you will see many examples of leftists opposing military action of any kind. A police effort would be the only possible alternative. Some leftists may in fact have opposed that as well.
The left's "we were okay with Afghanistan but Iraq is BAAADD" meme is bullshit, Orwellian revisionism.

#58 Iron Fist

We'll see how they spin it. If the Jihadists had killed 250 American soldiers, we know that it would have been reported as a catastrophy [sic]. Given that the Jihadists have fewer people to lose, surely this is a catastrophy for them, and an important victroy for the US.

We'll see how they spin it.

No need to wait. Like I said, it's on the homepage now. I'd be surprised if it weren't on the front page tomorrow, but we'll have to wait to see about that.

And, yeah, I think it would be a catastrophe if 250 American soldiers were killed in a single day. Don't you?

I really doubt the jihadis have fewer people to lose. There doesn't seem to be a shortage of people who are willing to blow themselves up or to plant IEDs. There are approximately 140,000 Americans in Iraq. There are more than 20,000,000 Iraqis. Of course, they are not all insurgents or terrorists, but, to my great regret, I don't think there'll be a shortage of them anytime soon.

#66 blue_like_jazz

O/T (re: Republican prez, candidates)--

Has anyone checked out this guy? He seems like a good choice from what I can see.

The GOP needs to find someone because like it or not, I don't see McCain, Giuliani or Romney winning the General election.

I also noted an AP report at my place in addition to the Reuters account. There are some differences.

Still, this is good news. The turds at MSNBC earlier simply noted two US soldiers killed, but failed to mention the 250 scumbags iced. Typical.

U.S., Iraqi forces kill 250 militants in Najaf.

I still have some work to do, but I'm cracking a Czech beer in honor of our troops. Keep mowing then down guys.

Yeah! I hope they clean out all they need to.

Re: Hillary's call for Bush to pull troops out of Iraq by the time he leaves office. I guess this means that we now must set deadlines and the acceptable level of casualties before we commit any troops to action. Let's see, it's ok to attack Kreplachistan, but we must pull out within one year or 250 KIAs, whichever comes first. Or maybe for a bigger threat like Iran, 2 years or 1000 KIAs. This is what we are coming to. Congress and the MSM will demand to know how long an operation will take and how many casualties there will be before approving it, if ever.

Opps sorry Mr. President, you said it would take only 6 months to stabilize the situation but it's now been 6 months and a week. Time to bring the troops home. What's that you say? The mission has been accomplished? Sorry Charlie, time's up. Bring 'em home.

#73 JammieWearingFool

The turds at MSNBC earlier simply noted two US soldiers killed, but failed to mention the 250 scumbags iced. Typical.

This is exactly what I stated earlier, the majority of the msm won't even pay lip service to this story.

It's nice that the online versions of WaPo have a story linking to the battle in Najaf, but where will that story be placed in the dead tree edition? Will it get front page? A10? Or buried in the back - page A26?

We may think that this is a significant story, and the website may show that it is being captured by the WaPo (or NYT or any other outlet), but if the story gets buried in the dead tree editions, what does that say about the priorities of the editors?

#69 Iron Fist 1/28/2007 02:48PM PST

#66 blue_like_jazz,

Guiliani needs to have a "Sister Soulja" moment on the 2nd Amendment. "Oh, yeah, they meant what they wrote!"

Him coming around to an originalist interpretation of the 2nd Amendment would almost guarentee him the nomination.

I suspect it is a matter of time. It is, after all, the correct position. :-)

Here's an interesting link for the Lizards that suport the 2nd Amendment:

Presidential candidates on the Second Amendment

250 down and another one billion ready to replace them to go.

national geographic is running inside 9/11 it reminds me that the splodeydopes in iraq would gladly commit an atrocity on the level of 9/11 if not worse so this story means 300 less that would gladly do these things. kill em over there so the talking heads in malfunction junction cant let in here to do it again.

250 martyrs!

(Allah in his office in Hell.)

Holy horny camels Mohammed, we just got an order for 18,000 vigins from Najaf. What are we going to do?!?

re; IF #69

i don't know... i think giuliani has too much baggage, even if he has a "come to jesus" moment about his stance on the 2nd amend. i love his anti-jihad stance and his speeches are amazing, but i don't think he can win in the finals

re: lowandslow #72

i know! i'd like to see a clip of this guy speaking. if he has some reagan-esque charisma, i think he might be electable.

Damn, the Islamo-nuts really need to stop fixating on their their "Mahdi thing" because every time a new Mahdi-dude emerges, large numbers of them DIE.

Anybody remember the Battle of Omdurman?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

#61 republic

I'm sure the WaPost doesn't have 200,000 people looking at it on any given day, and I don't consider any newspaper websites as msm.

No, you're wrong about that. I wasn't able to find the numbers for the WaPo, but according to the Newspaper Association of American (and published on Free Republic), web readership is in the millions.

Despite the decline in paid copies, newspapers are seeing a greater number of visitors to their Web sites. The NAA also reported Monday that newspaper-run sites had an overall 8 percent increase in viewers in the first quarter.

The data from Nielsen/NetRatings found that newspaper Web sites averaged 56 million users in the period, or 37 percent of all online users in the period, the NAA said.

As for Couric, Lauer, Russert, Matthews, and all, we'll have to wait until we hear what they say. But, since this has already been reported by Reuters, AP, the Post, and the NYTimes, it seems unlikely it will be ignored.

#78 lawhawk

This is why I don't read newspapers, and why I don't watch tv news, with a rare glimpse onto FOX once in a rare while.

I am going to watch FOX tonight at 9:00EST, Hannity is going to bring the parts of the 9/11 movie, which clearly show Clinton's buffoonery in dealing with terrorism, that were made ommited by Klinton and the Democrats.

Hannity is going to show the parts of the movie that Klinton and the Democrats made the creator of the movie leave out, since they couldn't get the entire movie banned from tv.

Hannity is going to bring it to light, and he is also going to do some interviews with some from behind the scenes of those days.

Tonight, on FOX News, 9:00EST!

#85 JustMyView

As for Couric, Lauer, Russert, Matthews, and all, we'll have to wait until we hear what they say. But, since this has already been reported by Reuters, AP, the Post, and the NYTimes, it seems unlikely it will be ignored.

I have but one question for you,

Do you believe that the great majority of the entire msm has had extreme leftist bias towards President Bush, the War on Terror, and the theatere of that War on Terror, which is the War in Iraq?

Good Lord, check out these photos.

The Muslim Festival Of Ashura - Graphic Photos

Today begins Ashura, which like the festival of Eid al-Adha is another bloodthirsty Muslim holiday

Has this been posted?
Iran closes border crossings with Iraq
TEHRAN, Iran - Iran has closed several border crossings with Iraq ahead of the Shiite holy day of Ashoura, the country's state television reported Sunday.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

That is the first rational thing Iran has done. Is it a sign ? A goodwill gesture ? Or maybe they have cancelled "secret ops" with the "Kill all Iranian" orders given to the troop?
dunno,
but it is life during wartime

The NYT is warming up to the fact that Chavez is trying to be the new Castro (same as the old, just a wee bit more limber these days).

Of course, the NYT has to play the world's frustrated with the US so we're bringing it upon ourselves angle, ignoring the fact that dictators will cast about for villains to hide their intentions or to rally people to their own cause. Chavez is no different - he's co opting a democratic government into giving him dictatorial powers, and yet it is the US that is the bad guy.

#57 Either you are lying, or you don't follow the "news" as well as you think.

Huffington Post published an entire book called, "A Just Response."

Chock full of statements just like the one you whined about.

The call for police warrants was from the "conservative" side of that book. The rest of them blamed the US for 9/11, said we deserved it, and that our best course of action was to surrender.

===

Tell me you're not gonna claim that Media Benjamin (Code Pink) and Ward Churchill were pro-war before they were anti-war?

EXILE,
R

#78 lawhawk

It's nice that the online versions of WaPo have a story linking to the battle in Najaf, but where will that story be placed in the dead tree edition? Will it get front page? A10? Or buried in the back - page A26?

We may think that this is a significant story, and the website may show that it is being captured by the WaPo (or NYT or any other outlet), but if the story gets buried in the dead tree editions, what does that say about the priorities of the editors?

We'll have to wait to see what they do w/ this story in tomorrow's papers. Where it appears will depend, in part, on what else happens before now and then. News is also on Lou Dobbs on CNN right now. (Note that Dobbs has been very critical of the war and exercises a lot of control over what he presents on his show.)

Similar violent cults have been a feature of Islamic history.

Whadya mean? I thought it's only been in modern times that a "tiny minority of extremists" have twisted an inherently peaceful, tolerant religion that spread through sheer osmosis.

God, I hope we're finally getting serious about this and unlocking our self-imposed handcuffs. Our troops deserve better than the vacillation and second-guessing and continous harping and defeatism emanating from Congress and from what passes as the leadership in this country. The US military is unbeatable if it is allowed to fight. Let them fight, please.

#88 JammieWearingFool

Mega-ouch.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Now that is an evil face.

CLICK
CLACK,
R

RIP, Deborah Orin

From the White House.

First I've heard of this.

#88 Jammie

re: your photo link

All snide remarks aside, how can anyone follow a religion that causes pain and bloodshed not only to its enemies, but to its adherents? God is not in this. Anyone with eyes can see that.

This is just so ugly and demeaning and nasty. That's not faith. I don't know what it is, but it's not faith.

Next to Guiliani, Slick comes off as a Deacon in a Southern Baptist Church. Shheeesh!

#66 blue_like_jazz

Yes, I've heard somer very good things about Duncan Hunter. I hope he gets the exposure he'll need to become a viable candidate. He is a good alternative to Guiliani and McCain, and we sorely need that.

And do you think we'll get any thanks from these ingrates for sending them to paradise?

But I will give thanks to the families of the lost aircrew for their sacrifice for the future freedom of my children. I am grateful to them beyond expression.

#66 blue like jazz

re: Duncan Hunter

I like him, too, but with repub politics, seems like the good and/or promising ones usually don't get much of a chance. (sigh)

I thought I remembered reading something about him on NewsMax, and did a search on his name. There were a lot of articles about him that looked good. He seems to be very conservative, pro-war, pro-life, pro-gun, etc.

The question is; How long does Bush allow the military to kill jiahdists?.

Let's see...250 per day equals 7500 per month or 90,000 per year.

Not nearly enough...we need to increase production by 300% or so.

It's time to hoist the black flag...

Mama...
Did you get the necklace I put you on the trail of?

Has anyone seen the remote?

#104 BenZ

Sadly, I did not. But I did get a nice new Bible, and I am enjoying that.

There's always Mother's Day. :)

BenZ - I can't tell you how glad I am that you are back. :)

Below this article...
Clinton attacks Bush's "irresponsibility" on Iraq

I'd like to hear from a psychologist about the relationship between Hyper-Narcissism and a sense of shame, because Clinton doesn't seem to have any. Mr. Cigar, Mr. Chinese Secrets, Mr. Whitewater, Mr. I Did Not Inhale, Mr. Somalian Aspirin Factory, Mr. Cruise Missile, Mr. Do Nothing But Say Everything, Mr. I'll Have My Cabinet Run Interference For Me When I Get Caught Schtupping The Interns: This man should never - EVER - lecture ANYBODY on the topic of responsibility. If I was Bush, I'd probably publicly challenge Billy to a fistfight.

As for the body count: Good to hear this week's episode of Iraqi Whack-a-Mole is going well. May their ordnance find only the guilty.

#99 BenZacharia

Next to Guiliani, Slick comes off as a Deacon in a Southern Baptist Church. Shheeesh!

Whichever candidate with a PROVEN Pro-2nd Amendment record, will get my vote.

That counts out ALL of the Democrats, but one, Bill Richardson, and a bunch of the Republicans.

I would vote for Bill Richradson, even though I seriously disagree with him on many social issues, on the strong Pro-2nd Amendment record.

At least with Richardson, I pretty much know what I'm getting.

The RINO's who have immense anti-2nd Amendment records, will not get my vote!

Either it is a staunch Pro-2nd Amendment Republican, or I will vote for Richardson, or I will not vote.

If it came down to Rudy vs Hillary, what difference would it make, in regards to the 2nd Amendment.

If the 2nd Amendment goes, so goes the country!

#61 republic

Like I said, and I stand by what I said, for the majority of the msm, there will be nothing more than a very cosmetic story about this, probably on a banner at the bottom of the screen, and most will in no way, use this as a story for the positive.

News of this battle is on the homepage of CBS News, MSNBC, and ABC News right now. Given that coverage, it seems unlikely that it wouldn't be on the evening news shows. We'll be able to see what happens on those shows shortly.

(Re what's on the websites, remember that they change stories and pictures every few minutes. If you click on those links and don't see the story, wait a bit and it'll appear.

Just my View

Professor John Mueller of Ohio State asserts not only that military action is inappropriate but that current law enforcement efforts are excessive, and a reduced level of the latter would be more than adequate to deal with the real threat.
Mueller is the widely-quoted author of Remnants of War (winner of the Georgetown University Book Prize) and Overblown: How Politicians and the Terrorism Industry Inflate National Security Threats, and Why We Believe Them .

As I have said before, "Cry havoc and unlease the Ducks of War" quack, quack, quack,quack,quack

re #102 tanya

well, let's get his name and information out there ourselves!

LIZARDS... may i introduce Duncan Hunter?

He was elected to the House in 1980 and admires Reagan's ideals and policies... that's enough for ME right there!

#94 hiker 1/28/2007 03:12PM PST
God, I hope we're finally getting serious about this and unlocking our self-imposed handcuffs

If there were two or three of these operations every week, a lot of problems would start to clear up fast, including any issues of MSM coverage.

1,000 or so martyred jihadis/week is going to get noticed.

Local TV News in Chicago is showing scenes of Barack Hussein Obama a-clappin and a-singin in a local black church this morning. Then conveniently he had lots of his books along, so that he could sign autographed copies for the downtrodden.

Isn't that nice? They are all agog.

Thanx Mama.., i feel all warm and tingly

#79 Da_Beerfreak

I've seen something similar. It's a very good "Cliff Notes" on the issue. Thanks for the link.

re #109 republic

hunter is VERY pro 2nd amendment... spotless voting record (via the volkoh link above)

>an apocalyptic Muslim cult

Pretty much redundant there.... every muslim is part of an apocalyptic clut.

#110 JustMyView

News of this battle is on the homepage of CBS News, MSNBC, and ABC News right now. Given that coverage, it seems unlikely that it wouldn't be on the evening news shows. We'll be able to see what happens on those shows shortly.

I have zero faith in the great majority of the msm.

I'm just telling you how I feel about them.

In my opinion, the great majority of the msm is anti-American, and they have acted that way for quite a long time now.

My feelings aren't going to change until I see something different from them, consistently, for a long period of time.

250-300? That's a good days work. Keep up the good work guys!

Joe Lieberman just said on Fox News Sunday that he would consider supporting a Republican for president. He said he will decide based solely on who's best for the country.

Good for him. I hope he doesn't lose his way.

#106 mama winger

More important, did you get the shooter you wanted?

#88 jammie

those pictures ... they cut their children! small children! and gave their children knives to cut themselves! (screaming inside)

animals ... worse than ... can't even express what i'm thinking!

re my #91: Whoops...

A Just Respose was edited and published by Katrina Van Heuval and the Nation.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

MY
BAD,
R

Glad this was posted, but the kill ratio is pretty high in Iraq though you never hear about it through media sources. The 250 was a drop in the bucket.

OT: Does anybody know what Saddam Hussien's favorite type of music was?

Swing.

G'night lizards.

#118 blue_like_jazz

re #109 republic

hunter is VERY pro 2nd amendment... spotless voting record (via the volkoh link above)

Oh, I am very aware of D Hunters pro-gun voting record, I am very much aware of ALL in Congress's gun voting records.

And it is way too early to predict who is going to be doing well by the spring a year from now, the "leaders" now, are often times, not the ones who get the nod.

I like Duncan Hunter, I like Tom Tancredo, I like Bill Richardson's almost alone stance within the entire Democrat party, with the exception of a few other Dems, who are pro-gun, but have absolutely no chance of even running for POTUS.

I like Duncan Hunter, and I would have no problem voting for him.

In fact, if he gets the nod, it's a no brainer for me.

:)

#123 M Bensson- Levi

ACK! No - my children decided I was too fragile to operate heavy machinery, so to speak. They said I have to get well and stop shaking so much before I can be trusted with firearms. Can you imagine?

They also said it would be important to see. (Cataracts forming from one of my meds, need eye surgery)

Damn kids never let me have any fun......

/ grumble grumble

#126 Buckeye Abroad

Good night my friend.

Take care!

We must be the good guys here ! Look how well we are helping the terrorists meet their god! Aiding them in their religious pilgrimage is a privilege we would gladly administer to all the other terrorists.....
Jello snack bar !

#122 ciospirit

It is great to see you ciospirit!

Goodnight Buckeye!

Hillary saying Bush should have all troops out of Iraq before he leaves office is quite insightful. The mind of the liberal is an odd place. How we got into Iraq was through her husband and his utter lack of concern for things like UBL declaring war on the U.S. and then doing nothing.

Got that, a view of the do nothing future while the terrorist arm themselves with nukes ... not pretty.

#109 republic

"If the 2nd Amendment goes, so goes the country!"

Well, the way I see it, when they come after the Second Amendment is just the kind of time our forefathers were thinking of when they passed the amendment in the first place. In other words, the Second Amendment is particularly needed when they try to take it away.

Just watched the CBS 2 evening news (local) here in NYC metro area, and they had a lede on the ongoing situation in Iraq. They mentioned the dead US soldiers, the bombing of the school, but precisely zero on the clash with the insurgents - or the 250 dead.

Priorities...

Why is it always 'the holy city of Najaf'?

I never hear from the MSM about the 'holy Christian city of Rome' or the 'holy Jewish city of Jerusalem' (where Jews are forbidden to pray on Temple Mount, the one and only holy Jewish place, to not get the muslims's knickers in a knot). I HATE this rubbish. Likewise, I always talk about Mohammed, and don't put that 'The Prophet' prefix. If you're not a muslim, then there is not point doing that. You don't see the msm saying 'The Saviour' Jesus Christ, now do you?
They're just saying in the news that Fatah and Hamas have agreed to go to Mecca ('the holy city') to try to work out their differences so they can go back to killing Jews, which is OK, and not fellow muslims, which is a 'grave crime''.

#122 ciaospirit

Joe Lieberman just said on Fox News Sunday that he would consider supporting a Republican for president. He said he will decide based solely on who's best for the country.

Aint't many what shakes hands wit' the Devil (Algore) an' gits free agin'.

I hope he doesn't lose his way.

AMEN!

"A righteous man, though his path be dark and twisting, will always find the proper way."...Goethe...FAUST...(Paraphrased...but close. Very, very close)

#134 hiker

#109 republic

"If the 2nd Amendment goes, so goes the country!"

Well, the way I see it, when they come after the Second Amendment is just the kind of time our forefathers were thinking of when they passed the amendment in the first place. In other words, the Second Amendment is particularly needed when they try to take it away.

Oh, I agree, nobody, and I mean nobody will ever take my guns, without first taking my life trying to get them.

How does a person, or group, get the 100-150 million firearm owning law abiding citizens together, and on the same page, if ever a future Congress and President start such a task?

NBC News leads with the death of two US soldiers in the chopper crash, and then proceeds to mention that the death toll for Iraqis was much higher - 250-300 dead in Najaf.

What utter BS. NBC doesn't know the difference between insurgents and civilians? Or do they simply not care?

Ah, but we see a wee bit of the blood Ashura ritual.

Never mind that Iraq was divided for centuries between Sunni and Shi'a and that Saddam suppressed the Ashura ritual while he was in power. Ignore all that - it makes it much easier to blame the US.

Isn't this sweet. The UN daycare wants to give the kiddies in Iran a "time-out" to see if they'll then behave.

The International Atomic Energy Agency chief, Mohamed ElBaradei, proposed the simultaneous time-out plan during the World Economic Forum in Switzerland in an effort to end the standoff between the West and Iran over the Islamic republic's suspect nuclear program.

"Time should be allocated to see if the plan has the capacity to solve the (nuclear) case," Ali Larijani, Iran's top nuclear negotiator, told reporters during a joint news conference with Russia's national security adviser, Igor Ivanov. He did not elaborate.

Link

#135 lawhawk

Just watched the CBS 2 evening news (local) here in NYC metro area, and they had a lede on the ongoing situation in Iraq. They mentioned the dead US soldiers, the bombing of the school, but precisely zero on the clash with the insurgents - or the 250 dead.

I'm here to tell you lawhawk, they won't!

I've been trying to tell this to JustMyView.

If our soldiers killed 200,000 jihadis, and the war on terror ended next week, they still wouldn't.

They are on a mission to destroy my President, and my country!

By the way lawhawk, I most enjoy my daily emails from Blog for All!

:)

#136 Enraged_Badger
Between the lines of your article about factions meeting in macca....Tehran must be fuming that thier bipolar counter part is winning the trust of both sides.

This just pushes the Persians further away from filling any vacuum left over by the Cold War puppet Saddams stepping down ( at break neck speed ) from power.

jmo, some unnoticed posturing going on in the house of Saud

#138 republic

Walter Williams, a very fine writer of political and economic theory, said it best (and I may be paraphrasing, but the gist is there). He said:

"When they have Williams' guns you will know that
Williams is dead."

#120 republic

I have zero faith in the great majority of the msm.

I'm just telling you how I feel about them.

In my opinion, the great majority of the msm is anti-American, and they have acted that way for quite a long time now.

My feelings aren't going to change until I see something different from them, consistently, for a long period of time.

Your feelings are clear, but it seems that you are denying some fairly obvious facts in order to hang onto them. The story you say the MSM has ignored has appeared in all these places:

Reuters and AP
Websites of NYTimes and WaPo
Websites of CNN, CBS, ABC, and MSNBC
Live TV: CNN (at least; haven't checked the other networks)

If, despite all that info, you continue to believe that the story has not been given enough play, isn't it possible that you are ignoring other evidence that is incompatible with your feelings?

#128 mama winger

...my children decided I was too fragile to operate heavy machinery...They also said it would be important to see. (Cataracts forming from one of my meds, need eye surgery)

Get a shotgun...Shoot 'em!

Sorry to hear that you're having problems. They're probably right.

Don'tcha hate it when kids are right?

#139 lawhawk

NBC News leads with the death of two US soldiers in the chopper crash, and then proceeds to mention that the death toll for Iraqis was much higher - 250-300 dead in Najaf.

What utter BS. NBC doesn't know the difference between insurgents and civilians? Or do they simply not care?

Ah, but we see a wee bit of the blood Ashura ritual.

Never mind that Iraq was divided for centuries between Sunni and Shi'a and that Saddam suppressed the Ashura ritual while he was in power. Ignore all that - it makes it much easier to blame the US.

Does anyone doubt the motives of the msm now?

If you still doubt the motives of the msm, please move out of my country, at once!

Don't make empty promises like Alec Baldwin did!

88 JammieWearingFool

That is seriously fucked up.

Strategy Page Top Ten Myths of The Iraqi War

via

Instapundit

Excuse, if previously posted.

Mama winger:

Sorry to hear about your cataracts. I hope everything works out for you.

#144 JustMyView

If, despite all that info, you continue to believe that the story has not been given enough play, isn't it possible that you are ignoring other evidence that is incompatible with your feelings?

My friend, if they gave it the equal time that they give the negative stories, most of which have been factually found to be extreme spin, misinformation, and distortions, I would give them a break, but when the msm is literally risking yours and mine lives and our soldiers lives, with their extreme bias and spin, no, I am not ignoring anything.

I call a spade, a spade.

I have an open mind the size of Texas, I give anyone the benefit of the doubt, I deal in facts, and I am never afraid to admit when I am wrong, but the msm has tried my patience to the end.

Two Americans were killed, the U.S. military said, when an attack helicopter went down during the day-long battle in what was one of the strangest incidents of the four-year conflict. Iraqi officials said the helicopter seemed to be shot down. According to one Iraqi political source, hundreds of fighters drawn from both Sunni and Shi’ite communities were still fighting. A Reuters reporter at the scene, 160 km (100 miles) south of Baghdad, saw U.S. tanks and heard blasts after dark and an Iraqi officer said F-16 jets were bombing the area.

Sounds like absolute mayham.

#139 lawhawk

NBC News leads with the death of two US soldiers in the chopper crash, and then proceeds to mention that the death toll for Iraqis was much higher - 250-300 dead in Najaf.

After that anchor lead in, when they ran the story, the reporter did refer to the Iraqi dead as "suspected insurgents".

/just to be fair

#49 Republic

What ever happened to investigating allegations first, and then coming out with the evidence, instead of setting things up, for Israel to "look bad", even if the investigation turns up nothing.

I agree. And I wish Israel would stop apologizing before an investigaion when they are accused of something like they did during the summer war with Lebanon, and double especially when the accusations come from Gaza.

And it's good to see you, too. :-)

#152 Killian Bundy

After that anchor lead in, when they ran the story, the reporter did refer to the Iraqi dead as "suspected insurgents".

Why is it, that in the modern day of reporting, when there is a WAR going on, a battlefield, and the enemy has drawn arms to try and kill our brave U.S. soldiers, do they even say something as stupid as,

"suspected insurgents"

Where the German soldiers at Omaha Beach, who killed thousands of our brave troops in a matter of a few hours, considered,

"suspected Nazi's"?

I give up.

#151, ah that pretty much describes battle.

#153 ciospirit

I agree. And I wish Israel would stop apologizing before an investigaion when they are accused of something like they did during the summer war with Lebanon, and double especially when the accusations come from Gaza.

And it's good to see you, too. :-)

I am glad that you are well ciospirit!

With the leftist baffoon Olmert in charge, nothing surprises me from Israel!

But political and security sources said they were followers of Ahmed Hassani al-Yemeni and described him as an apocalyptic cult leader claiming to be the vanguard of the Mahdi — a messiah-like figure in Islam whose coming heralds the start of perfect world justice. He had been operating from an office in Najaf until it was raided and closed down about 10 days ago

The Mahdi was operating from an office in Najaf? Boy, is someone gonna be in trouble for evicting him. Ahmadinnerjacket rule #1: Don't evict the Mahdi from his office!

This happens every time the jihadists stand and fight.

You might think they would learn after a while, and many have, but others continue to listen to the BBC, Al Jazeeruh, and other examples of their own propaganda. From this they conclude that Americans target only children and small animals and are completely unable to face the all-conquering jihad in open battle. They hear Livingstone, Galloway, and others compare Fallujah to Stalingrad, and they rush heroically forth----to their doom.

#154 republic

Why is it, that in the modern day of reporting, when there is a WAR going on, a battlefield, and the enemy has drawn arms to try and kill our brave U.S. soldiers, do they even say something as stupid as,

"suspected insurgents"

Well, when you are calling in airstrikes and direct firing 120mm HE rounds in urban environments, sometimes it's hard to tell exactly who you've killed until it's all over.

/not that I'm shedding any tears over the death toll, but out of the 300 or so, some of it very well might be collateral damage, such is war

#150 republic

My friend, if they gave it the equal time that they give the negative stories, most of which have been factually found to be extreme spin, misinformation, and distortions, I would give them a break, but when the msm is literally risking yours and mine lives and our soldiers lives, with their extreme bias and spin, no, I am not ignoring anything.

I call a spade, a spade.

I have an open mind the size of Texas, I give anyone the benefit of the doubt, I deal in facts, and I am never afraid to admit when I am wrong, but the msm has tried my patience to the end.

Today, you said that you didn't expect to see any stories about the events in Najaf. I pointed out that stories had, in fact, appeared in all these places:

Reuters
AP
Numerous web sites: Washington Post, New York Times, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN
Live TV: CNN (I wasn't able to check the other networks)

That doesn't seem to me like calling a spade a spade. In fact, I would go so far as to say you are wrong, as you were about the size of the readership for newspaper web sites.

It's clear that your feelings about the MSM are strong, but I wonder if you are not ignoring some fairly obvious facts to hang onto those feelings.

Despite the info I've presented, you haven't been able to acknowledge that your expectations about how the news media would treat this event were wrong---something you say you are always willing to do. If your attachment to your perceptions is such that you are unwilling to to revise them in the face of evidence regarding this story, isn't it plausible that your mental record-keeping might be off w/ regard to some other stories as well?

I'm sure you are a fine person. Given that and the openmindedness you claim, I hope you will consider whether you may be overlooking some MSM stories or ways of presenting info in the MSM that are incompatible with your views.

It's been nice chatting with you. I have to check out now, as I have some work to do before tomorrow AM. Have a good evening.

#159 Killian Bundy

Well, when you are calling in airstrikes and direct firing 120mm HE rounds in urban environments, sometimes it's hard to tell exactly who you've killed until it's all over.

/not that I'm shedding any tears over the death toll, but out of the 300 or so, some of it very well might be collateral damage, such is war

You and I both know that, but the average, sleeping, ignorant American who watches tv news, because they have been fed the lies from the left, automaticaly conjures "suspected insurgents", with "civilians".

They(msm) are at perfect liberty to wait until all of the deatils are out, but they always rush to whatever way it is, for America, and my President, to look bad.

It is premeditated, and it is done in the "essence of leftist journalism"

spit!

#160 JustMyView

Have a good evening my friend.

But political and security sources said they were followers of Ahmed Hassani al-Yemeni and described him as an apocalyptic cult leader claiming to be the vanguard of the Mahdi — a messiah-like figure in Islam whose coming heralds the start of perfect world justice. He had been operating from an office in Najaf until it was raided and closed down about 10 days ago.

After all there can not be two vanguards for the Mahdi...Mahmood would never allow a Sunni to claim that title...I dont trust Al-Malki...I think Irans hand is all over Iran..and we are being duped. ..

There is nothing “unhinged” about Ahamadinejad’s thinking, statements and actions. They are internally consistent. He is simply a fanatic who is wedded to an extremely dangerous exclusionary system of belief. Humanity must learn that dismissing a fanatic as lunatic or unhinged rather than squarely facing the likes of Ahmadinejad and Hitler will result in great suffering. And in the age of Weapons of Mass Destruction a man with huge sums of petrodollar can indeed serve as the catalyst of total annihilation. It is by far more prudent to err on the side of being an alarmist than a complacent dismissive. Humanity cannot afford to ignore the emergence of the final thereat to its very existence on this planet.
Contrary to the commonly thought, Islam is not a religion of peace. “Islam” is derived from the root word, “Taslim,” which means “submission,” or “surrender.” Submission or surrender to whom? To Allah,’s will through the dictates of his one and only emissary Muhammad as recorded in the Quran and the Hadith. Muslims believe that every word of the Quran is the word of Allah and no one ever should doubt, revise or dispute it.

[Link: www.amilimani.com...]

163 storagemanager ...After all there can not be two vanguards for the Mahdi...Mahmood would never allow a Sunni to claim that title...I dont trust Al-Malki...I think Irans hand is all over Iran.Iraq .and we are being duped.

Sorry goofed again.

This is what the jihadi's convention center hotel should be looking like

The Prophet of God ( PBUH ) observed: "God Almighty hath sent unto the world no Apostle who did not his people about the appearance of the Dajjal ( Anti Christ, but he did not appear in their time )I am the last in the line of the Prophets and ye are the last community of believers. Without doubt, then, the Dajjal shall appear from amongst ye". Ibn Majah, kitab ul fitan, Bab: dajjal

[Link: www.angelfire.com...]

A Reuters reporter...saw U.S. tanks and heard blasts after dark and an Iraqi officer said F-16 jets were bombing the area...[where t]he governor of Najaf province said the group had gathered in orchards near the city....

What!?! F-16s were bombing an orchard?
When does Jamil Hussein pop up to report on this environmental disaster created by the U.S. military?

#139 lawhawk

NBC News leads with the death of two US soldiers in the chopper crash, and then proceeds to mention that the death toll for Iraqis was much higher

DId they really? Oh my. There are only so many mistakes like this that one can attribute to honest mistakes.

One would think they think the deaths were the Iraqis that we are fighting alongside OR that the terrorists we are fighting represent the Iraqi people.

And I checked all those front page stories.

On CBS webpage, the headline is a bland "Battle Rages Outside Shiite Holy City." The write up leads with the two American deaths, then mentions authorities said 250 bad guys killed. I understand 'bad news leads" but we are talking 2-250 and the lead is the 2?

ABC has a picture of a smoking crash and "U.S. Helicopter Down in Iraq Battle." Focusing on the bad news, just as people predicted.

MSNBC:. "Heavy Fighting. US backed Iraqi attack insurgents near Najaf." At least they didn't call it holy in the headline.

Even Fox: "Battle Rages." Lead with the copter deaths, then the 250 dead jihadis.

There is ignore, and there is ignore.

#22 hans ze beeman

It appears that the unity of the Muslim world is fragile. Saudi Arabia will not sit idle and watch while Iranian agents take control over the country.

The Saudis are expressing their differences with Shia Islam more openly. SA and the gulf states have a vested interest in Iraq's success. And maybe more militant Sunni focus will move away from western targets.

Saudi King: Spreading Shiism Won't Work
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Top Cleric Declares Shiites to be Infidels
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

It's not unreasonable to say the Saudis pushed Wahhabism partially in response to early Khomeni-Shia efforts. Wahhabis are austere (that's one way to put it) Sunnis and Khomeini had some rather radical ideas about the private-sexual sphere.

/Davos Approved

More from Gulf Daily News:

Col Ali Nomas, spokesman for Iraqi security forces in Najaf, said more than 250 corpses had been found at the scene. Army Maj Gen Othman Al Ghanemi said 10 gunmen had been captured including one Sudanese.

"Between 250 to 300 gunmen have been killed in the battle," a source from an Iraqi-US co-ordination centre said.

"We don't really know how many have died," the officer said. "There were around 500 fighters in the area and we think the airstrikes have pretty much annihilated them."

storagemanager ... some thoughts :
I'm not very convinced that Ahmedinejad is really in charge. I still think the "Committee" (my word not the mullahs) is the place to look for who's making the final decisions. He's just put up there as their face, twisted, yes, but they hide behind him. He does enough antics to keep the stupid MSM busy focussing on him. Is there anything out there that can inform us as to just how much power he wields?
Also, your comments reminds us of Sudan. Don't think it was any accident that Bin Laden spent time there - he chose to got there to soak up the historical aura of the revolt and the defeat of Gordon at Khartoum and the belief of the Mahdi - perhaps to create the sense of a passing of the "mantle" to himself as the unifier of the Caliphate.
All this seething and boiling of the radicals is that they aren't kings of the world and they believe they should be. No appeasing that. Most countries haven't seen a king in generations and the people have no concept that these radicals are serious about "rulers" and "kingdoms".

Hearing the military actually confronting enemies is a positive step!

I always argued that we need to leave (And CERTAINLY come back eventually) if we are just going to be sitting ducks over there. I wanted action, and this is action. If we are able to confront out enemies rather than pussyfoot around...we will acheive victory in Iraq.

I would also like to start a project whereby we have a "surprise peace march" and invite a whole bunch of people to board the back of a truck...where we will all drop them off "enmasse" in a particular area. But, to their surprise, these truck trailers will be loaded onto a boat and delivered to Iran.

If they knew these clowns were gathering there, why on earth didn't they drop some napalm on them? Fuck the liberals, you fight wars to win with all means at your disposal.

# 43 Shiplord

How do people get to be so stupid?

The United States suffered ONE major attack on its territory during WW2. One single attack on a naval base on an island that was only a U.S. territory, not a state, and was half an ocean away from the mainland. Not only that, this one single attack was on a military target. "Only" about 50 civilians were killed. By the standards and rules of war the Japanese mounted a clean, efficient attack; the only mistake they made was not declaring war before commencing with the operation.

America's response to this single attack? Full-scale mobilization followed by a devastating, sustained counterattack by land, sea, and air, culminating with the nuclear devastation of two Japanese cities. While at the same time mounting a second overwhelming campaign against a second enemy that had not attacked us yet at all.

By comparison, al-Quaeda's attack was mounted on the U.S. mainland and the victims were primarily civilians. And by comparison, the U.S. response has been, well, mild, even with forces and weapons at our command that could easily lay waste to half the globe. Every country that ever willingly harbored an al-Quaeda terrorist should have been targeted. Still, even with our half-hearted response, we've managed to successfully avoid another major terror attack for over 5 years. Because we TOOK THE OFFENSE, because we took the battle to the enemy.

Does it not occur to this idiot that the reason the U.S. did not lose millions of troops and civilians during WW2 was because we didn't wait to be put in Soviet Russia's position? And, for that matter, because we didn't wait to be put in France and Britain's position? We didn't wait until the enemy was at our doorstep before we mobilized and destroyed him. And in spite of that, we still waited almost too long.

This is the best way to silence the moaners and doubters. More victories like this would stiffen a few backbones in Washington.

So go for it! Seek out the Islamist enemy and hit him hard.

250 gunmen

Not enough

now I've heard it's two hundred. It started out at 300.

By the time they real numbers that aren't coming through a bunch of Iraqi BS artists it'll be 2 chickens and a three legged dog.

Next time the cities of Jerusalem, Bethlehem, or Nazareth come up in a post, Charles, I expect you to put "holy" in scare quotes for them too.

Bigot.

A cheap shot and a late hit, Gordon. Is that the only way you can get the last word in? Dump on a thread that's nine hours old?

#179 Gordon
Hi, Gordon. :) We all love Charles so much, your unkind attitude doesn't make a dent in our peacefulness.... :) wish you could join in --it's really a lot of fun on this side! :)
Btw.....I have always loved using quote marks; I find they have many levels of meaning.....can you catch that? :)
sincerely, Ma Sands

Nodrog. Go fuck yourself.

/short, and to the point.