All your cigars are belong to us.

It's just a Republican smokescreen

What a jerk.

Just curious, does Prophet Obama smoke in his office?

Tancredo should've put the cigar out on Ellison's face.

This motherfrakkin' Muslim is spoiling for a Fight...and then yell "I AM THE VICTIM HERE!"

His political career will be short-lived, I hope.

Remember that he comes from the state AND the religion where absolutely nothing is allowed.

The pushing begins.

He is all to a good start wasting tax payers money for something so trivial

Note to Ellison:

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Ellison’s press secretary, Rick Jauert, made the call to the Superintendent’s office when he noticed the smoke. “I called because the smoke was coming through the walls,” Jauert said, adding that the Superintendent’s office referred him to the Capitol Police.

That's some powerful smoke, able to penetrate walls.

You can also thank the American Jewish World, a Twin Cities newspaper for supporting him.

Keith said, “I am humbled, and just plain thrilled, by the confidence the American Jewish World has placed in my vision of a just future where there are no throw-away people and peace is our guiding principle. Indeed, this is a collective vision of tens of thousands of us in our uniquely progressive district, a vision we have built together out of our most deeply-held values.

Doesn't Obama smoke? He looks like it.

Calling the police over a cigar is a punk move. Be a man, moslem. Walk yer ass next door and tell him to put it out face to face.

Ellison sucks, but it was his press secretary that made the call, then told Ellison about it later.

I'm sending Mr. Tancredo a box of cigars today.

It’s not just “nervy.” It’s an act of calculated aggression, against an ideological foe.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

This guy would have had the Capitol Police on speed dial, during the Clinton years.

I think what Ellison did was totally appropriate.

Also: I'm feeling a bit peckish, and wouldn't mind a sandwich for lunch. Does anyone know the number for 911 emergency takeout?

I already did all my jokes on this when I posted it on the last thread,
wah...
go there and enjoy.

Is smoking banned inthe Longworth House? I would think so since it is banned just about everywhere.
But it seems a little extreme nasty to call the cops about it.

The Democrats didn't seem to have a problem with Clinton and his cigars in the oval office.

Just wait 'till he lays down demands about uncovered meat, removal of all alcohol from the building (might want to talk w/Sen Kennedy first) and begins refusing to shake the hand of any infidel, uh, I mean "constituent."

Democrats & Muslims are a dangerous cocktail of intolerance & sense of entitlement.

Speaking of Ellison, his comrades are in the news again.

Saudi Qaeda group wants world U.S. oil sources hit

I know that it is asking a lot, but I would hope that the Party of the Pachyderm file all of these Dhimmocrat shenanigans in their long-term memory banks.

RE #6,
Not likely in that district. Ellison will be done when he chooses to be done.

and from Drudge

MAUREEN DOWD RIPS OBAMA: 'HE LOOKED AS IF HE NEEDED A SMOKE AND HE NEEDED IT BAD'...

Call in Monica. She's good with cigars.

What is "chutzpah"?

The officer told Tancredo that the officer came because he was required to do so and not because the officer wanted to. The officer had already told Ellison that Tancredo was permitted to smoke in his office. . . .

To help keep his office free of impurities, Tancredo has three air purifiers.

The real stink may be coming from Ellison's office.

#17 Cognito 2/14/2007 08:14AM PST

I think what Ellison did was totally appropriate.

Calling the cops because someone smoked a cigar? You serious?

#27 Who Watches the Watchmen? 2/14/2007 08:16AM PST

What is "chutzpah"?

Nervy Arrogance

If I were going to build the perfect asshole to be the first moslem in congress I couldn't have done better than Ellison.
He is the "Howard Dean" of bad choices. Smoke coming through walls-odd ball Jewish newspapers supporting him...wake me when he says "The bitch set me up"
Should be anytime now.

29 Armigerous

yikes.

#3 JammieWearingFool

Just curious, does Prophet Obama smoke in his office?

Only the Barry best bud!

Tancredo for President 2008!

#20 theparson 2/14/2007 08:14AM PST

The Democrats didn't seem to have a problem with Clinton and his cigars in the oval office

But he didn't smoke them. He used them for other stuff.

Geesh, I hate the 'smoking nazis', (and I've never even smoked) but a chicken shiite muslim smoking nazi? That's gotta peg the moonbat meter.

Jammie

I believe he smokes Kools. Isn't that the brand that is allegedly targeted to young black males?

RELEASE THE BONGS OF WAR!

I thought tobacco was the one vice that Muslims were allowed to partake in.

I mean I just assumed that Keith Ellison smokes a hookah.

I'm sure this is wrong; it must be Tancredo who is aggressive. A Moslem cannot be aggressive; that is a known fact. Has to do with the magnetic forces in Mecca, I think.

If some have their way smoking will be R-rated if shown in films.

"Help, I'm bein' oppressed!"

#33, loppyd

Yikes.

Yeah, what a way to start Valentine's day...

30 Elric,

Calling the cops because someone smoked a cigar? You serious?

Haa -- read the whole post...

You can see the Capitol Hill SWAT team rushing Tancredo's Office now:

PUT DOWN THE CIGAR AND KEEP YOUR HANDS WERE WE CAN SEE THEM.

That, or they ain't gonna be real happy about Keith using them as lackeys and props to promote his muslim grievance theatre.

#40 Ringo the Gringo

I'll tell you what Ellison smokes...

#25 hepcat

and from Drudge

MAUREEN DOWD RIPS OBAMA: 'HE LOOKED AS IF SHE NEEDED A SMOKE FUCK AND SHE NEEDED IT BAD'...

There, fixed that for ya!

#42 solomonpanting 2/14/2007 08:20AM PST

If some have their way smoking will be R-rated if shown in films.

By their logic, you cant show alcohol, driving, military movies etc.

#3 JammieWearingFool

Just curious, does Prophet Obama smoke in his office?

I'm sure he does. Will any of his whiny-ass Democrat colleagues "rat him out"? No.

Hmm...rude, aggressive, impolite - sounds like somebody is not high on Emotional/social intelligence.

loppyd,

Not sure what he smokes. I didn't even realize people still smoked Kool's.

I have a great idea for Tancredo. Have a pigroast and send an invite to Ellison.

If they have any kitchens near their offices, he should fry up some sausgae and bacon with fans blowing the odor toward this punk's office.

Sounds to me like Maureen doesn't like people of mixed race...

#31 BabbaZee

Thanks, Babba. I'll take "Yiddish Expressions" for $600 please.

"If a schlmiel's cigar smoke blows into a schlmazel's office, it's this one who calls the police."

Maureen Dowd? She's still alive? I thought the cirrhosis may have killed her by now.

Where there's smoke...

#54 Who Watches the Watchmen?
really laughing hard here...

Tancredo needs to start micro waving fish, right Lopps?

Dubbya's talkin'

Adamski

Ellison sucks, but it was his press secretary that made the call, then told Ellison about it later.

That may be factually correct, but that's not the way this place works. Ellison is going to take the rap for this because the culture here is such that your staff represents you, and your thinking - otherwise they wouldn't be on your staff.

And I won't even begin to try to explain the faux pas of a staffer going after a member. Trust me, the other staffers around from the other offices will be treating this guy as a pariah.

Speaking of Prophet Obama (credit JWF)

Did anyone link to Maureen Dowd's column yet? She rips him. I guess he'll regret the day he threatened her about writing about his freakishly large ears.

I refuse to sign up for the Slimes, but Drudge has some snippets:

On the trail in Iowa, Dowd writes: "Obama's so slender his wedding band looked as if it was slipping off... there was a wariness in his dark eyes."

When a reporter asked him Obama whether he'd had a heater in his podium during his announcement speech in subzero Springfield, Obama hesitated.

Dowd slings: "He shot a look that said, 'Are you from PEOPLE magazine?' before conceding that, unlike Abe Lincoln, he'd had a heater."

Dowd describes Obama as a "tad testy" as he was "traipsing around desolate stretches of snowy -- and extremely white -- Iowa."

Obama had "moments of looking conflicted."

Dowd claims that no fewer than three times last week, Obama got indignant about the beach-babe attention given to a shot of him in the Hawaiian surf.

"You've been reporting on how I look in a swimsuit," Obama lectured a reporter.

Dowd snaps: "He poses for the cover of MEN'S VOGUE and then gets huffy when people don't treat him as Hannah Arendt."

Developing...

Isn't "schlemiel/schlemazel/copulate incorporated" from Laverne & Shirley?

Er.. cleanup on aisle 29? I share the indigation but that really does seem over the top, not to mention disgusting.
Nothing personal, Armigerous.

OT: Did you see Dubya give David Gregory THE HAND!

Yes!

OMG - what a F***ing Puss*

It's a little shocking to me that the police actually arrived.

(Rather than just telling Ellison's staffer on the phone that Tancredo wasn't violating the law, so Ellison will just have to deal with it.)

OT
Totally prdictable
Trolley Square: Utahns urged not to turn on Bosnians

That is the fundamental flaw of Islam...FORCE. Their religion removes AGENCY...the inherent right given to all of God's children to CHOOSE and act as agents unto themselves. Once AGENCY is taken out of the equation there is no longer a 'religion'.

grayp

Trust me, the other staffers around from the other offices will be treating this guy as a pariah.

That just made my day.

/skips to copier while whistling...

It’s not just “nervy.” It’s an act of calculated aggression, against an ideological foe.

It's called 'blowing smoke up your ass"...

I wonder if Tancredo is hiring. I can get him my dad for a discount. Just keep him filled with Pork and bans and show Eliison just exactly what "coming in through the walls" means.

leftists and radical islamists have the same fantasies.
Republicans should be jailed and/or killed and certainly not allowed to speak freely.

bush is laying out what irans up to and the dumbass reporter is asking what about iraq

#3 JWF

Just curious, does Prophet Obama smoke in his office?

Really.

#65 Mazer
The press in infuriating! Their cluelessness is really pissing off this morning.

Killgore Trout (#59),

Dubbya's talkin'

Thanks Killgore.

loppyd,

Prophet Obama isn't my original. At least I don't think it is. Used it in a post once and it's kind of stuck now. Sort of like The Pantsuit. I saw her referred to as that a few years back, but it definitely fits. Anyone should feel free to use it.

Anyway, as for MoDo, the dumbest thing the NYTimes did was start charging people to read their junk. You rarely see her and the rest of those hacks mentioned anywhere in the blogosphere, which, I might add, is a good thing.

loppyd

Dowd snaps: "He poses for the cover of MEN'S VOGUE and then gets huffy when people don't treat him as Hannah Arendt."

That's hilarious coming from Miss Dowdy herself. Did you see the photo on the cover of that book she wrote "Are Men Necessary?". Fishnet hose, red stilletos.

And she gets huffy when people still treat her like the whiney loser she is.

ha!

#73 taxfreekiller
Got it ~ thanks

Has anyone posted this yet about the Salt Lake Murderer?

Police said Talovic had a juvenile record of only four minor offenses. None of his arrests were for violent crimes.
The man had lived at a house with his mother and three younger sisters near the Utah State Fairpark. Neither his mother nor his sisters would answer the door or respond to phone calls Tuesday, although a person inside would pick up the phone and then quickly hang up.
Ajka Omerovic, who said she was Talovic's aunt, visited the home Tuesday afternoon. She told the Deseret Morning News that Talovic had been "a good boy." She said the family are Muslims from Bosnia who had lived in the vicinity of Sarajevo.

Muslim Salt Lake Shooter

OT:

"FBI Losing Laptops, Weapons"

The Boston field office reported a stolen laptop containing software for creating identification badges. The laboratory division at Quantico, Va., said that a stolen laptop contained names, addresses and phone numbers of FBI personnel. The New Orleans field office reported a stolen laptop that had been used to process surveillance-related electronic digital imaging.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/2/13/22041 8.shtml?s=ic

OMG, all along was mixed up thinking that Obama was the one complaining, and thinking, "but he claims to be a Christian now."

Never mind.

Here's my take: a mature adult faces confrontation politely. I would have knocked on the door (or at the very least phoned personally) to explain that the smoke was venting into my office, and would he please stop smoking until the system could be checked.

Ellison is a very nasty piece of work.

Pretty childish.

Kind of like Obama and his response to John Howard.

#52, JWF

Fry some bacon, definitely.

"Officer! Officer! He's cooking breakfast!"

Jammie

Kool's logo: BOLD. SMOOTH. FRESH.

Just like Obama, right Senator Biden?

Mmmm bacon.

The smell of it frying could wake me from a coma...

#78 Geepers
Take your blood pressure meds, the Press Corpse is extra dumb today.

If Tancredo would just concede to this small demand, it would make future consessions just a bit easier to swallow. It's a subtle training process, but a good muslim has to start somewhere.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

If I were Tancredo I would tell Ellison to "smoke" MY cigar.

#63 Macker

Isn't "schlemiel/schlemazel/copulate incorporated" from Laverne & Shirley?

Hassenpfeffer incorporated.

/"Cook, where's my hassenpfeffer?"

#87 buzzsawmonkey
Probably because the writers and producers of the show /song were Jews...

republic

The Boston field office reported a stolen laptop containing software for creating identification badges.

Based on the history of the Boston FBI office, this is not at all surprising.

Tancredo should wipe Ellison's door knob with some pork fat. Or better yet, bring a hot plate and fry up some bacon in the office to cover the allegedly offensive smell of cigar.

#82 DistantThunder
No, but I KNEW IT. thanks.

Ellison is a jerk.

OT:
Speaking of police.. Good news!
NYC Council Speaker says 'NO' to Mumia Street!

OT

Radical Islam's Dupes

It is somewhat pathetic that even after 9/11, and even after a nearly four-year trial at the Hague disproving "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" of Albanians in Kosovo (something the late reporter Daniel Pearl uncovered as early as 1999), the Jewish community still insists on being used to promote the agenda of the Albanian lobby that allied us with the al Qaeda-trained Kosovo Liberation Army in 1999. As part of his PR push to see the West seal its 1999 blunder that resulted in the ethnic cleansing of Serbs, Jews, Roma and other non-Albanians from Kosovo--which is a hair away from being an ethnically and religiously pure state of Saudi-financed mosques--former Republican congressman and ethnic Albanian Joe DioGuardi has been placing press releases disguised as articles in Jewish newspapers reminding American Jews of the lead they took "in pressing President [Bill] Clinton to bomb Serbia, because they instinctively understood the nature of genocide and were determined to keep it from being repeated," as he recently told the New York Jewish Week.

Knowing that publication to be the largest-circulation Jewish weekly, and knowing that Jews shouldn't be supporting a Muslim land grab in Europe, I called the managing editor and suggested the paper run an opposing article, which the editor agreed to let me write. A month later, the piece is finally scheduled to appear this week. But that month gave DioGuardi enough time to place a similar piece in The Forward. So I emailed the editor at The Forward to offer a rebuttal piece as well. Predictably, I didn't hear back. I proceeded to contact every yidiot paper I knew of on the eastern seaboard to let them know of this dangerous PR push and offer a counter article: New Jersey Jewish Standard, Baltimore Jewish Times, Washington Jewish Week, the Jewish Press, Boston Jewish Advocate and the Philadelphia Jewish Exponent. Silence. They prefer to be sitting ducks until the Albanian lobby gets to them.

So here is what these Jews Without Clues should know. Rather than "instinctively [understanding] the nature of genocide" and being determined to keep it from being repeated," the reason American Jews took the lead in our Kosovo misadventure is that Albanians hired PR firms to lie to Jews that Kosovo was another "genocide"--just as the Bosnians and Croats had done: In 1993, President of Ruder Finn Global Public Affairs, James Harff, gave a candid interview to French journalist Jacques Merlino, which was reprinted in Midstream magazine. In response to Merlino's question, "What achievement were you most proud of," Harff answered:

To have managed to move the Jewish opinion to our side. This was extremely delicate, as…[Bosnian] President Izetbegovic…strongly supported the creation of a fundamentalist Islamic state. Moreover, the Croatian and Bosnian past was marked by a real and cruel anti-Semitism. Tens of thousands of Jews perished in Croatian camps.

…We outwitted three big Jewish organizations. B'Nai Brith Anti-Defamation League, the Jewish Committee, and the American Jewish Congress. We suggested to them to publish an advertisement in the New York Times and to organize demonstrations outside the U.N. This was a tremendous coup. When the Jewish organizations entered the game on the side of the (Muslim) Bosnians, we could promptly equate the Serbs with the Nazis in the public mind…

#54 WWTWM?

ROFL. I'll take Yiddish Insults for $100.

Fransn zol esn zayn layb. Venereal disease should consume his body.

Er zol kakn mit blit un mit ayter. He should crap blood and pus.

Tukhes lecher . Ass-kisser

Shtick holtz . A person with no personality

Yiddish blessings:
Lakhn zol er mit yashtherkes. He should laugh with lizards.

#95 loppyd

Based on the history of the Boston FBI office, this is not at all surprising.

Unfortunately this is happening all over the country, not just Boston.

Hey Killgore and Geepers, keep relaying parts of the news conference here. I don't have the stomach anymore to watch.Any note worthy stuff would be good even though I know it is off topic. Thanks

Sounds like Mr. Tancredo could use a humidore in his office. Anyone know how to contact "that woman...Miss Lewinsky"?

Actually, it's an act of sheer stupidity. Ellison has just guaranteed the wrath of representatives of both parties. Calling the police on a Congressional colleague Just Isn't. Done.

He has just made himself even more useless than most freshman Congressmen.

#82 Distant Thunder

Only four minor offenses? That's all? But none violent.

Phew.

What a good boy.

#87 buzzsawmonkey

in their so very non-Jewish sitcom set in so very non-Jewish Milwaukee.

Uhhh.

#101 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, Obama has announced that he has quit smoking(at least where anyone can see him).

Fixed that for you.

Anyone catch Obama and his wife on O'Reilly last night?

He was doing his 'body language's segment and the read on Mrs. Obama is that she wears the pants in that family.

#104 Nigella

Same here - but I don't want the updates either.

Nothin' new...ever

#68 Sandspur

This is infuriating. Look at what the immigrant community had to say about the murder of five Americans:

Antonella Packard, president of Honduras Maya de Utah, and Renetta Coppard, executive director of the Latin-American Chamber of Commerce, both asked for more assistance for refugees. They said better health care and other services would help prevent similar incidents and might have prevented past shootings.

I'm so mad I could spit nickels.

She told the Deseret Morning News that Talovic had been "a good boy." She said the family are Muslims from Bosnia who had lived in the vicinity of Sarajevo.

I didn't know that.
But the first thing I mentioned to my wife..
I bet it was a freaking Muslim.. They love to attack women..

It is about time to start playing Cowboys and Muslims...

Nico-Nazis are everywhere, Ellison is just taking a page from Pelosi's manifesto. The funny thing is that all the hype about the dangers of second-hand smoke has been vigorously and completely disproved, yet governments are still banning smoking in public places. So the bans are basically about some pussies not liking the smell of burning tobacco - clearly a justification for violating the rights of smokers.

The smell of body-odor offends me MUCH more than cigar/cigarette smoke, can we now ban all non-bathers?

buzzsawmonkey

BTW, Obama has announced that he has quit smoking.

Just like that, huh? I don't buy it...

#110 buzzsawmonkey

I think Penny is Garry's sister.

I always thought Laverne & Shirley's "chant" was a jump-rope rhyme. I used to chant some whose meaning I still don't get.

What is it with Democrats and cigars, anyway?

Ben Kingsley dealing with a similar situation in Sexy Beast.

[Link: movies.yahoo.com...]

Stupid question, but did he actually alledge that any laws were broken?

And when Keith is slaughtering a goat in his office...?

#113 ciaospirit

It's like the running joke I had with a friend in college. We could (sarcastically) sum up any situation with "...therefore, we should have socialism."

“I called because the smoke was coming through the walls,” Jauert said

I don't think Tancredo was the only one smoking something...

Hmmm, I wonder if it ever occurred to Ellison to just telephone Tancredo.

The plot thickens.

113 ciaospirit

Antonella Packard, president of Honduras Maya de Utah, and Renetta Coppard, executive director of the Latin-American Chamber of Commerce, both asked for more assistance for refugees. They said better health care and other services would help prevent similar incidents and might have prevented past shootings.

Frankly, overhauling every immigration-related service in the US and requiring mental health assessments for immgrants would help prevent similar incidents and might prevent future shootings, bombings, SUV crashing, beheading, etc.

Again, for the record, you are focusing on Ellison specifically because he is Muslim, and calling his political stunt an "act of calculated aggression." Talk about seething, you can barely contain your Muslimhaas anymore.

#117 ploome hineni

Shtick holtz . A person with no personality

literally means, shtick=thing,piece
holtz=wood

Kinda like "dumb as a fence post".

49 Elric

If some have their way smoking will be R-rated if shown not be allowed in films.

By their logic, you cant show alcohol, driving, military movies etcwe will have to live under Shari'a laws.

116 loppyd

Mrs Obama (who wears the pants) made Obama's run for the Presidency contingent on his quitting smoking.
/via 60 minutes

The next time Ellis holds prayers in his office, Tancredo needs to call the police and claim there are muslims next door shouting allah ackbar and death to America.

#82 DistantThunder

Did you notice that not once in the article do they mention that the guy is a Muslim?

WTF?

Muck the Fuslims. And Hakim too.

No more baseball, no more dancing, no more ice cream, no more cigars.

Ah, the joys of islam.

#130 liberality

Again, for the record, you are focusing on Ellison specifically because he is Muslim,

The focus is on him being a dumbass. In case you didn't notice, dumb asses are fair game here. It sounds to me like something that should have been handled by building maintenance.

#128 ploome hineni

#26 emmyemerald 2/14/2007 08:16AM PST
Call in Monica. She's good with cigars.

amazing how the thoughtless behavior of this stupid young girl,

doing something you probably do every chance you get

still gets gratuitously hammered!

how anxious are you to keep her life as miserable as possible?

I thought it was funny. I find it a stretch to think that a post on LGF is somehow causing "misery" for Ms. Lewinsky.

Babba! m reporting for duty!

*gets in line beside Loppstah*

:D

#130 liberality

Again, for the record, you are focusing on Ellison specifically because he is Muslim,

Have you seen a better reason to focus on someone in the last 20 years?

Perhaps we need a national movement with thousands of people sending Ellison a cigar and a bag of bacon bits.

#128 Did you forget the sarc tag or are you really that gullible? Monica used that situation for all it was worth, and willingly rode her new found celebrity as far as it would take her.

{m}!

Hail!

U.K. and U.S. bad for children says U.N.

#146 BabbaZee
Oh dear Lord.

liberality (#130),

you can barely contain your Muslimhaas anymore.

"Muslimhaas" liberality?

Oh that's ever so clever.

So you think it's good that one congressman calls the cops on another for political purposes?

You only bitch about the "police state" on alternate days huh?

Or do you just give passes to muslims because they're muslims.

Oy, m.

naptime.

Tancredo Rocks I just made a big contribution to his Presidential Campaign.

You can do that too or get on his mailing list, here.

Cigars were good enough for Bubba Clinton in last administration.

Fry some bacon and ham and breeze it next door into Ellison's office, next time Tancredo.

Ellison has guaranteed not to get any legislation through from his moonbat district in Minneapolis for his term now.

the un is full of shit.

Maybe I should empty out the local ashtray and send it to Prophet Ellison as a symbol of my esteem...

#130 Liberality
For the record, remind me what exactly have Muslims done to deserve anything but Muslimhaas?

Will they remove all pork from the house dining room next?

maybe we should get a pic of ellison smackin' on some ribs. ;)I doubt american [bigoted word]s hold to that pork thing.

That's amazing. Are there any congressional rules on the matter? Air filters are possible. I wonder if Tancredo will stop smoking or smoke more.

whiney pussy. Since Tancredo was there first, Ellison should go out and buy him a kick ass air filter and ASK him nicely to use it. But it's just the leftist/islamofascist way, to cry victim whenever posssible.

#163 ploome

I have no doubt that it will happen. Hell, in Fwance they can't serve free pork soup to the poor because it's offensive to muslims. If there's not a wake up call soon, we're only a decade away from having europes problems right here.

63Macker- No-o-o...It is Hassenpfeffer Incorporated...
...and as this is a family site...it is "she needed a F*ck"
/heh.

I would like to do nothing more than blow Camel smoke at Rep. Ellison.

This doesn't sound like a Muslim thing to me, though. It sounds like a control-freak-asshole thing.

Ellison may have cooked his own goose. No one likes a tattle tale. Someone at the GOP should record all these little Democrat faux pas.

After years of defending my home state from slander I've finally come to the conclusion that the courts in PA are an absolute discgrace.
I'm set to be evicted next week from my home of ten years.
I was not allowed a day in court to prove the mortgage company falsified documenation.
This same mortgage company settled out of court for forging 28,000 documents pursuant to uprgading for Federal insurance for foreclosure purposes.
I could not afford an attorney then or now and the court refused to give me one and instead has given summary judgements against me .
I've been fighting this thing on appeals for over three years and stillhave one action open to restore title but that doesn't matter it seems.
Depending on how things go in the next few days I may be homeless/in jail/dead next week.
It was nice posting here, if you see me no longer here after the 21st that's why.

#162 Ziggy

According to this article? Rep. Tancredo has 3 air filters in his office:

[...]Tancredo has three air purifiers in his office, but Ellison's press secretary, Rick Jauert, said when smoke began coming through the wall he called the superintendent's office, which referred him to the police.[...]

What a POS that cult of islam member is, and in addition:

[...]Ellison drew fire last month for asking to take the constitutional oath on the Quran rather than the Bible at a swearing-in ceremony. As WND reported, the first Muslim member of Congress is linked to a radical Islamic school of thought that requires loyalty to the Quran over the U.S. Constitution.[...]

The article linked in this one makes me wonder how a cult of islam member, Keith (Hakim-Mohammed) Ellison, D-Minn who is loyal to Louis Farrakhan, could be elected to any office in the US.

Tancredo's mistake was he didn't pull out the "hash pipe." If he had been smokin' the hoochie, Ellison’s press secretary would have been climbing over the wall to join him.

Congressman Tancredo, let me give you a word of advice. Don't get mad, get even. I would harass these MOFOs every day if I were in your shoes. And crank up the Country and Western stuff - especially the part about sticking a boot up a Muslim's ass.

164-ploome hineni- Heck yeah. that is the biggest prob one of them anyway isthat these illegals are coming fromthe fields and colonia of mexico and no one knows what they are brining in to the USA.and it is the tearing down and weakening of the collective immune system that is the worry beyond what the diseases themselves cause. Then the weakened immune system is open to the so-called opportunist infections. and not just parasites but also TB, Diptheria,chicken pox, etc.Lung diseases like coccidioides granuloma. the list goes on and on. the feds should be ashamed of themselves for letting this medical check go by the wayside.
At Ellis Island, at first the immigrants were kept in solitary in the hosp portion. then as the Shipping cos were filling the steerage component with ill peeps, the US immigration sent the ill ones back to Europe at the ship lines expense. So then the ship lines set up processing centers to screen out the ill ones.
Now in 21st C we get bupkis on health. this weakineg of the USA collective immune system by these 20 million "uncheckeds" is why we may have all thes illnesses...

From what I have read Rep. Tancredo was given permission to smoke cigars in his office, proved he used air purifiers. I think it is totally a asshole move on Ellison to call the police, assuming he knew Rep. Tancredo has permission.

typical chickenshit Liberal move. typical chickenshit muslim move too. get somebody else to do your dirty work for you. hey Ellison, why don't you take your pigshit religion and move to mecca. that way you can kiss the rock inside the female bodypart to your little porcine heart's content.

169 anotherindyfilmguy

Depending on how things go in the next few days I may be homeless/in jail/dead next week.

Really sorry to hear about the long, ongoing, horrific circumstances of your fight to keep your home.

It's not worth going to jail over nor taking your life.

*you got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away, and know when to run...

Mr. Tancredo should have done the right thing and should have sent him a present... a nice smoked side of bacon, a Honeybaked Ham and a few Kosher pickles... with a note... "Welcome to Washington".

Ellison is a m'effer that is backed by development -arrested boomers that want to stick a thumb in the eye of the establishment. They see the muslims as the vehicle to do this- Threatening and abusive and powerful ally. These juvenile boobs know they have no clout and so they think using the muslims to do it is great . But they will be the first off-ed by the muslims that are in power. Islam does not like off-beat goofy lifestyles and those 'alternative choicemakers' will go first to the chopping block.

Better to spend time looking over the electorate in Ellison's district and see if someone can run against him in one year 11 months from now.Start now.

Hah! I live within ten minutes' drive of this bozo's district!

Interesting fellow, actually. Somehow, I could tell just by looking at his fat, vacant smile that he'd have one of those high-pitched, whiny voices.

Nice congresscritter my neighbors decided to elect.

/Lurking mode off

Tancredo is not in need of air purifiers.

To help keep his office free of impurities, Tancredo has three air purifiers.

/Lurking mode on

#170 NYnana

Just wait, it's only the biggining. The other front in this global jihad is the population race in order to gain political strength.

#176 new2thezoo

Mr. Tancredo should have done the right thing and should have sent him a present... a nice smoked side of bacon, a Honeybaked Ham and a few Kosher pickles... with a note... "Welcome to Washington".

It's still not too late...but somehow I don't think Rep. Tancredo would feel very much like sending him anything, except sending him out of the House, where Ellison Hakim-Mohammed, doesn't belong in the first place.

Bet the MSM ignores this...and Tancredo is allowed to smoke cigars in his office. Hakim-Moe belongs in the garbage room.

#180 ziggy

Just wait, it's only the biggining. The other front in this global jihad is the population race in order to gain political strength.

I fear that you are right, and as a Jew? Scary, but they are after all of us. I look at our 4 kids and daughters and son in law, and especially at 3 little grandkids, and fear for the future of all of us, but for a nearly 6 month old, 4 and 6 years old little ones? I shudder.

#84 Goddess

Here's my take: a mature adult faces confrontation politely. I would have knocked on the door (or at the very least phoned personally) to explain that the smoke was venting into my office, and would he please stop smoking until the system could be checked.

Of course you are 100% right. But for the moment, lets forget mature, and forget adult.

Ellison is an elected representative. He's supposed to be a "politician" (in the literal, and hopefully positive sense of that word).

So what kind of politician calls the cops on a peer he's never met before for SMOKING, of all things?

There are ways to get things done, and ways not to, and no matter what your read on this "incident" it wasn't very politically savvy, to put it politely. If I were Ellison's consituent, I'd be wondering just what kind of political asshat was representing my interests in Washington.

#174 Bubba

That's uncalled for.

What an asshat.

Congratulations, Ellison... you've just offended and disenfranchised every single smoker in your constituency.

Politely suggest that you get the f*ck over yourself.

Nancy Pelosi wants to ban all smoking. She and Ellison will get their way. Bottom line.

IS THERE ANY LEGAL-TYPE LIZARD IN PENNSYLVANIA that can help anotherindyfilmguy?

May day at Post #169

Is this the way a politician is supposed to act? Calling for armed enforcement before even asking a colleague to put out his cigar? This is symptomatic of a tyrant and a bully, not a national leader.

Hey, Ellison.

...

my post didn't happen the way I typed it...shoulda used the 'preview' button...

*adding to Christmas list...1 box of really smelly cigars for Tom Tancredo, 1 box of really great cigars for Tom Tancredo...1 50lb case of chit'lins for mr ellison

Today's quiz

Ellison is

a) oppossed to Tancredo's position on immigration;
b) trying to impose Sharia lawl;
c) all of the above.

mama winger

This help any?

anotherindyfilmguy

[Link: www.ncrc.org...]

Ellison’s press secretary, Rick Jauert, made the call to the Superintendent’s office when he noticed the smoke. “I called because the smoke was coming through the walls,” Jauert said, adding that the Superintendent’s office referred him to the Capitol Police.

Just how shoddy are the congressional offices constructed? Now the smoke would come through the walls of the WWII billets but I've not seen it anywhere else. I have however encountered anti smoking nuts that would "walk a mile" to put themselves in a position to file a complaint. I suspect Ellison is merely continuing his role as a victim.

Sorry, but I'm 100% with Ellison on this one. I have severe asthma. I can be put into an attack serous enough to land me hospital because of second smoke clinging to clothing after someone has been smoking outside. Your personal freedom ends when it affects my health.

I would have called the cops too, because my life and livelihood depends on it (I wouldn't be able to work in that place), and YES any kind of smoking is bad enough, but especially cigars.

A lot of smoker have this mental blindness about how bad their habit is and how much damage it causes. "It's my only vice." is a common excuse. Well how about "My only vice is beating my kids. It relaxes me. As it is my only vice, I should be able to do it. It doesn't hurt nay one else."

No excuse. Ellinson is not the aggressive one. Tancredo, the guy daring to fill the air with his poison and daring someone else to do something about it, is the aggressive one in this situation. Talk about a "f*ck you and your needs and everyone else's too" attitude.

Smoking hurts and kills not only the smoker but anyone near them. if Tancredo is stupid enough to smoke, especially to smoke indoors where the toxins are trapped to maim others, he deserves to have the cops called on him and I also think he is an appalling example who has no business in a place of leadership where he can be seen setting an example for children. I have just lost all respect for the man.

And I regularly throw people out of our lab who wear perfume and aftershave as well.

So blow me.

Sorry if someone posted this already.
Democrats don't smoke cigars, they use them strictly for sick sexual gratification.

/Hey honey, grab your cankles. It's stoogie time!

I know I shouldn't smoke, it's my last nasty habit. I'm 59 and been smoking since I was 13. I don't mind the no-smoking inside laws. I remember being able to smoke in the back of public transportation or in the smoking car. I remember smoking in the back of planes. But, when I light up outdoors? The reaction of people like when I'm on a train platform. I've given my cigarettes a nickname, I call them my psycho repellents.

I can smell when someone lights up from a long ways away..my nose is that sensitive and it frankly makes me sick to my stomach and ruins my entire day with nausea and headaches..HOWEVER...

1) It is NOT illegal where Tancredo smoked so umm..ellison should move (I would have if it truly bothered me).

2) They could have called Tancredo but chose to be combative (there are more polite ways to approach this).

3) I can't believe the cops came...how stupid..I hope they are talked to about not getting involved in silly stuff.

4) Looks to me like Tancredo says he is doing his best to filter his office (says he uses 3 filters) and it doesn't look like there are any other complaints about his smoking so the complaint is highly suspect.

5) his press secretary IS A REFLECTION of who he is. Your press secretary is suppose to know you inside and out..know what you stand for, what you say, do, etc. This isn't just some low staffer on his totem pole. His press secretary is showing exactly what we suspected of ellison..that he's such a victim..and I will bet dollars to donuts that ellison won't come out in public against his press secretary and say he did a bad thing :P for those who are whining that it wasn't ellison that called.

Nice rant judith. Got a light?

It’s not just “nervy.” It’s an act of calculated aggression, against an ideological foe.

I would add it's an act of cowardice. Cowards oppress the weak (like muslims oppressing women). Cowards blow slights out of preportion and over-react (like muslims with cartoons). Like a good muslim, he declared jihad. Like a good progressive, he used the government.

I know I shouldn't smoke, it's my last nasty habit.

I suggest you take up picking your nose or scratching yoour ass in public instead. It is just as effective at repelling psychos and has no long term physical side effects.

And as my boss, the lung doctor puts it, "I beat my kids. It's my last nasty habit. I know I shouldn't but I don't care. I'm doing it anyway."

198 Judith 2/14/2007 12:58PM PST

Sorry, but I'm 100% with Ellison on this one. I have severe asthma. I can be put into an attack serous enough to land me hospital because of second smoke clinging to clothing after someone has been smoking outside. Your personal freedom ends when it affects my health.

You are completely missing the bigger issue here.

The day we allow cops to cite people or take them in when citizen if they are not breaking the laws , we need to give up on the USA. This is what ellison's office was hoping for.

While I completely understand your asthma issue (see my post above about me becoming very ill at smelling smoke), if it is LEGAL in the state, short term, I'd have moved my office..long term I'd work for a bill to end smoking in public/gov't buildings.

Just say no to arresting or citing when it's not within the law. THAT is the issue and ellison's office KNEW this...they can't tell me they didn't. Think about this before you want cops to do things that they lawfully are NOT suppose to do.

If Tancredo would be out smoking cops, instead of cigars, the best and brightest Murderapolis has to offer would not only support Tancredo, but would be leading protests for Tancredo.

OK just say no to cutting and pasting..lol

The day we allow cops to cite people or take them in when citizen(s) in if they are not breaking the laws , we need to give up on the USA. This is what ellison's office was hoping for.

I would add it's an act of cowardice. Cowards oppress the weak (like muslims oppressing women).

I agree. I can think of no greater act of cowardice than filling the air around you with a proven carcinogen so that weaker people with lung conditions are hurt and even killed by the behaviour.

To me smoking is about like the Palestinians shooting bullets off into the air to celebrate. Do you smokers really think your smoke just vanishes without damaging you or anyone else?

Judith,
Take a deep breath... And again...

So if smoking was legal, what then should the cops charge Tancredo with?

This article isn't a debate about whether smoking is great or not..it's about what ellison wanted the cops to do with an action that is LEGAL in the state.

#204, Judi, Judi, Judi. No, I don't pick my nose, I just put my thumb against the non-offending nostril and exhale with great vigor out the other nostril as I'm heading for the local watering hole freely scratching all along the way to sit in a smoky old stinking bar smoking our brains out with all the fun people.

You are completely missing the bigger issue here.

No I am not. The issue is Tancredo smoking indoors. Tancredo shouldn't need a law to know the damage he is doing. And have any of you ever tried talking nicely to a smoker first? Doesn't work. They are all in such total denial about their dirty little habit that "talking" nice doesn't work. If Tancredo had a lick of sense he wouldn't have been smoking in the first place.

Antonella Packard, president of Honduras Maya de Utah, and Renetta Coppard, executive director of the Latin-American Chamber of Commerce, both asked for more assistance for refugees. They said better health care and other services would help prevent similar incidents and might have prevented past shootings.

Illegal immigrants kill 12 Americans every day as reported by Representative Steve King R-Iowa.
Who knows how many are killed by legal immigrants.

Thank Jorge Bush, Ted The Swimmer Kennedy, John McCain, etc. They and their families have security around them, you, on another hand, will have to fend for yourself.

#198 Judith

Smoking hurts and kills not only the smoker but anyone near them. if Tancredo is stupid enough to smoke, especially to smoke indoors where the toxins are trapped to maim others, he deserves to have the cops called on him and I also think he is an appalling example who has no business in a place of leadership where he can be seen setting an example for children. I have just lost all respect for the man.

Crap. He had three air purifiers in there. He could have asked in person, or even send his assistant over if he was that sensitive to smoke. But he chose to call the police right off the bat. How does he exist in the inner city with all the smog? How do you exist in the inner city with the bus and car fumes?
He is an appalling example because he smokes? Bullshit! I've met your type before. This is the same type person that will walk across an empty resteraunt to sit next to the smoker in the smoking area and then file a complaint. This has happened more than a few times. I have even had a non smoker walk up me outside, around the corner from a coffee shop and squirt me in the face with a water gun. Yes, he was cold cocked. I sympathize with your condition. But at some point you will have to deal with environmental conditions. I sympathize because perfume does the same to me. I live in Georgia. Try telling a good southern girl she can not wear perfume!

gander-obviously never had a bad asthma attack have you? You can't take deep breaths.

Last month Pelosi banned smoking in parts of the House, but left representatives free to decide for themselves what they want to do in their own offices. Guess Ellison didn't get the memo. What a shmuck.
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

I just got to thinking about it. I thought smoking in federal buildings was illegal already. I retired from the Army in 93 and by that time I didn't know of a single federal building that smoking was permitted in. Why are congressmen allowed to smoke indoors?

Judith:

I can think of no greater act of cowardice than filling the air around you with a proven carcinogen so that weaker people with lung conditions are hurt and even killed by the behaviour.

Honey, I just sent $100 to Tancredo campaign in your name. Should keep the good guy in cigars for a week or so.

Elison should consider himself fortunate that Tancredo didn't choose to extinguish the cigar on Elison's forehead.

#169 anotherindyfilmguy

I am praying for you.

BTW I have a friend in PA who is in deep shit too and the court system in Media, PA is the most corrupt any of us have ever seen.

I know you are going through some hell.

ASK GOD TO HELP YOU
EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT A BELIEVER

And I will ask Him to help you too.

#215, Judi, Judi, Judi, have you ever tried meditation, you know the old relaxation response? Or for that matter have you ever tried anything?

Cigar?

This is the same type person that will walk across an empty resteraunt to sit next to the smoker in the smoking area and then file a complaint.

The entire concept of a smoking and nonsmoking area in a restaurant is complete garbage because the smoke doesn't stay on the smoker's side. It fills the whole place. Here we have no public smoking allowed anywhere at anytime in an indoor space and if yoou are stupid enough to light up anyway, you have to go outside at least 50 meters from any doorways.

Here we have an additional rule in the hospital area that you have wait outside for an additional 30 minutes because that is how long it takes for you to stop exhaling toxins after you finish your cigarette.

There is no excuse for smoking. It is just plain wrong.

Judith:

I suggest you take up picking your nose or scratching yoour ass in public instead. It is just as effective at repelling psychos and has no long term physical side effects.

And as my boss, the lung doctor puts it, "I beat my kids. It's my last nasty habit. I know I shouldn't but I don't care. I'm doing it anyway."

Forgot to reorder your meds?
My heart goes out to you. I will pray and afterwards will smoke a cigar for your meds quick arrival.

Anger makes you exhale toxins too.

Honey, I just sent $100 to Tancredo campaign in your name. Should keep the good guy in cigars for a week or so.

No doubt he will die younger as well due to his self imposed poisoning. Why don't you buy yourself a box while you at it? Think of all the money you'll save the government in pension payouts.

#220, Babba Zee, sounds like I'm one county over from you.

212 Judith 2/14/2007 01:18PM PST

No I am not.

You are in fact missing the bigger point whether you wish to admit it or not.

The issue is Tancredo smoking indoors.

Nope it actually isn't. The issue is the cops were called for a broken law of what exactly? There was no law broken so the cops need to stay out of it.

Tancredo shouldn't need a law to know the damage he is doing.

True, but when you involve the gov't and cops, they need to have laws to act on and charge people with.

And have any of you ever tried talking nicely to a smoker first? Doesn't work.

This is false. Why? Because you are generalizing. I have talked to a few that were nice and went outside. Others, not so nice. It's why short term I suggested that ellison move his office. I would have IF smoking was legal in that state. Long term I'd work to change the law. THAT is the great thing about USA and not being under Sharia law.

They are all in such total denial about their dirty little habit that "talking" nice doesn't work. If Tancredo had a lick of sense he wouldn't have been smoking in the first place.

Again this is NOT about whether smoking is bad or good, this is about what law ellison expected the cops to act under. You would be entirely correct if we were discussing whether smoking was bad or not. Entirely correct.

I like the rule of law as well for fear of other types of laws taking over. There are some that could also say that abortion is so bad, they will not allow any others to get abortions..then where do we stop trying to arrest people when things are legal just because something is bad? WHERE would it stop?

You beat your kids too mlk?

Frankly, overhauling every immigration-related service in the US and requiring mental health assessments for immgrants would help prevent similar incidents and might prevent future shootings, bombings, SUV crashing, beheading, etc.

frankly, screening our immigrants would be a better way, don;t you think?

Stopping Moslem immigration completely would an optimal solution.

As they proved, sudden jihad syndrome can hit any Moslem at any time.

#227 JohnRC
Not from me, but from my closest friend's younger brother.
I am in CT now, used to be NY. He lives there now, in Ardmore, but the case is in Media.

I would have put it out on his forehead!

#231, Babba Zee, small world this internet, I'm about to go to the store in the town next door, Ardmore.

#223 Judith

The entire concept of a smoking and nonsmoking area in a restaurant is complete garbage because the smoke doesn't stay on the smoker's side. It fills the whole place. Here we have no public smoking allowed anywhere at anytime in an indoor space and if yoou are stupid enough to light up anyway, you have to go outside at least 50 meters from any doorways.

Here we have an additional rule in the hospital area that you have wait outside for an additional 30 minutes because that is how long it takes for you to stop exhaling toxins after you finish your cigarette.

There is no excuse for smoking. It is just plain wrong

Got to love tolerant folk like you. I can tell by your attitude that you have never asked a smoker politely not to. You are belligerant and constantly in the attack mode. I bet you deal with other things you dislike in the same way.

#233 JohnRC
Ha! Amazing!

#198 Judith
Sorry, but I'm 100% with Ellison on this one. I have severe asthma. Your personal freedom ends when it affects my health.
I would have called the cops too, because my life and livelihood depends on it Your personal freedom ends when it affects my health.

All right. Let's just put your criteria into action here. What would you want me to do, if we had adjacent offices and I heard you coughing and sputtering up a storm and from the sounds of it, I thought you had tuberculosis or perhaps Avian Flu? Maybe I've had several bouts of pneumonia in the past and can't handle a serious respiratory infection, so I worry a lot about such things?
Would you want me to call the cops on you? Doesn't your personal freedom end when it affects my health? We're talking two extremely contagious diseases, here. Or would you have preferred the old-fashioned method of knocking on the door and asking, "Is everything all right?" Or "Gee, I hate to say this, cause I know you don't intend any harm, but your coughing is sending spittle into my office, and if it isn't too much trouble, can you take it home?"
Noo... You would call the cops. Drag them off more important duties to complain about someone smoking in his own office, with the door shut. Without even making the teensy weensy effort to ask the person if they could smoke somewhere else? Like the rst of the world handles these things? I have never seen a smoker refuse to accomodate, if asked nicely. Never. So, either you are a complete sociopath who cannot live by the accepted customs everyone else goes by in a civil society or you cooked up this tale to shilling Ellison. What else are we supposed to deduce?

Charles is absolutely right and I wish I could have said as neatly as he did. It was form of intimidation, pure and simple. Ellison was disrepecting Tancredo and is gambling he'll get away with it.

Okay highrise-You have a point about the nature of the issue. However I have not yet, not once, had a smoker agree nicely to butt out because it bothered me, or to even move elsewhere. Of course by the time I ask. I am already usually in a severe attack so I can't hang around I have to elave. the air is already poisoned. Before the nonsmoking by-law here I couldn't go out any place in public, no restaruants, bars, no sporting events, no buses, no nothing. My grandfather disowned me for telling him he couldn't smoke in my own house.

If there isn't a law, there should be, and Tancredo should know better. And we don't know that Tancredo hasn't been asked in the past. We're all assuming Ellison is in the wrong here but we had a judge here in Winnipeg who was a die hard smoker and she smoked in her office and everyone knew it and everyone also knew better than to ask her to butt out. It took arresting her to make her stop and she wasn't arrested on the smoking by-law. She was arrested for engaging in an act dangerous to the public good and causing a public nuisance. She was offered the opportunity to stop smoking or retire in leu of the charges going ahead. She chose to retire. She died two years later of a heart attack. And you can't tell me that state doesn't have some law like that on its books.

Just because he is a Muslim and a lefty and democrat doens't mean everything he does is wrong.

As for the abortion analogy, it is spurious. A woman having an abortion doesn't throw blood guts and baby parts all over on everyone around her.

Judi, Judi, Judi, just because one can smell locomotive breath doesn't the ember's still burning. It's like if my ash falls off my cigarette it doesn't mean the place is going to go up in flames, the cinder is still attached. I love my little psycho repellents, going to buy two packs at that Rite-Aid in Ardmore if I can get my smokin ass in gear. Maybe I'll stop in at my health club in Ardmore

Great idea Judith. Make smoking illegal completely. Won't have to worry about it anymore then. Hell, why stop there? Perfumes make me react the way you do. Make all scents illegal. I can't even shop in certain areas of stores if they have any scents around. I can't go in elevators and frequently have to leave offices if some woman is wearing perfumes. And yes, it can send me to the ER. Do I call a cop? I do not. I adjust. How about stinky people? How about people walking around with the flu or a cold infecting everyone? If someone sneezes on me, I should call a cop?

Wanumba-if I knew that Tancredo was not a belligerant SOB about his smoking (and I doubt it), and that he would have simply put his cigar out first time he was asked, I would agree with you.

But that does not mitigate the fact that Tancredo SHOULD HAVE KNOWN what he was doing was wrong and he should not been doing it in the first place.

Too bad a slime like Ellison got a few political miles out of it. Honestly, in this day and age Tancredo should not be stupid enough to give slime like Ellison an edge by doing something as stupid as smoking indoors.

Great idea Judith. Make smoking illegal completely. Won't have to worry about it anymore then. Hell, why stop there? Perfumes make me react the way you do. Make all scents illegal.

Yes, I agree with that. I would like to see that. I would also like to outlaw all bathroom "fresheners" too. And scented laundry products, they should go too.

zeig heil

John RC you are wrong. If yoou smell the smoke, you are being exposed to toxins. We did the test in the repsirology lab. If you are exhaling within 30 minutes of a cigarette smoke yoou are exhaling toxins. You can deny it all you like and make fun of me all you want but that doesn't change what the mass spec picks up when you breath out after a cigarette.

Judi, Judi, Judi, have you ever considered the big rolling plastic bubble? I mean if things are that bad for you. You really expect the planet to rearrange itself for you? I think your asthma stems from your obsession with being a control freak, also known as emotional blackmail.

#240 Judith

But that does not mitigate the fact that Tancredo SHOULD HAVE KNOWN what he was doing was wrong and he should not been doing it in the first place.

He was legal. It is a legal product. The speaker has apparently Oked smoking in private offices. He had air purifiers. So that arguement is out.

#41 Judith

If you would read the thread, you would see that Tancredo not only had full permisssion to smoke cigars in his office ,but that he also has no less than 3 air filters in there.

And also, the placing of this first term cult of islam POS next to him was an insult from the dhummicrats.

I am not fond of cigar smoke, but the Farakhan worshipper is clearly not fit to be in the US Congress.

#237 Judith

If there isn't a law, there should be, and Tancredo should know better. And we don't know that Tancredo hasn't been asked in the past.

It's not against the law Judith. People should know better about all sorts of things..but when it comes down to balls to the wall citing someone or arresting them..it MUST be within a law.

We're all assuming Ellison is in the wrong here

Again, I ask what law ellison wanted to enact on Tancredo? This is scary because Sharia changes in the wind..and so do other countries which is why I am thankful to live in the USA and not elsewhere..cops can't just do anything they want and get away with it. Ellison being wrong here isn't an Assumption, ellison WAS wrong..unless he can name to us what law he wanted Tancredo to get nailed on.

but we had a judge here in Winnipeg who was a die hard smoker and she smoked in her office and everyone knew it and everyone also knew better than to ask her to butt out. It took arresting her to make her stop and she wasn't arrested on the smoking by-law. She was arrested for engaging in an act dangerous to the public good and causing a public nuisance.

I don't know the particulars of this story so I can't comment too much except...if this is true, how scary that citizens are being arrested for stuff not against the law. This gives me a window into how other rules of law will take over eventually in the USA.

She was offered the opportunity to stop smoking or retire in leu of the charges going ahead. She chose to retire. She died two years later of a heart attack. And you can't tell me that state doesn't have some law like that on its books.

Again this has ZERO..ZERO to do with whether smoking is good or not..to me that isn't debateable due to me becoming very ill when someone lights up..it IS bad and it does affect others...but I like the rule of law moreso than anything else..that is what makes USA great. Your last sentence needs to be proven. The cops own admission is that it wasn't an illegal act. If the cop was going to waste his time to even go there, don't you think he'd have cited or arrested him?

Just because he is a Muslim and a lefty and democrat doens't mean everything he does is wrong.

No where did I state that. People always make fun of what someone is..if he was fat, I'm sure that would have been mentioned here too. I don't take it too seriously that people poke fun of him. Relax.

As for the abortion analogy, it is spurious. A woman having an abortion doesn't throw blood guts and baby parts all over on everyone around her.

Maybe I should have the cops go arrest you because your attitude is dangerous to unborn babies everywhere and that does affect others' lives? What did you say? You have freedom in the law to say this to me? Are you sure?

Get my drift?

You miss my point on the bigger picture. People justify killing abortion doctors think they are bigger than the rule of law...not very different from your stance.

zeig heil

okay, that's my cue. I invoke Godwin's lawand I'm now on my way to get some work done, having just won this debate.

Judi, Judi, Judi, there must be some leakage over the internet. I'm sitting here outside of Philadelphia, smoking my psycho repellents and you're all wrapped in a snit.

#241 judith

Yes, I agree with that. I would like to see that. I would also like to outlaw all bathroom "fresheners" too. And scented laundry products, they should go too.

Frankly people like you scare me more than the Islmaics do. You would make everything you personally feel is bad, wrong, sinful, bad for the collective health, illegal. Your self righteousness just spells more laws being passed and more rights being lost for everyone. You will be able to rationalize all of it of course in the name of any actions being done for our own good.

248 Judith 2/14/2007 01:57PM PST

I'm now on my way to get some work done, having just won this debate.

I'm not sure if you won the debate against me :P .

But I digress.

#248 Judith

okay, that's my cue. I invoke Godwin's lawand I'm now on my way to get some work done, having just won this debate.

Convenient.

unless he can name to us what law he wanted Tancredo to get nailed on.

when you can answer this...the trophy is yours.

You're exhaling toxins all over the place, Judith,
and it ain't the first time.

By your own assessment, I should call the cops on you.

Fucking lunatic.

#248 Judith

okay, that's my cue. I invoke Godwin's lawand I'm now on my way to get some work done, having just won this debate

Only losers cut and run.

#255, NY Nana, 'cut and run', good one. Hate to talk about her behind her back, 'mainstreaming' run amok.

SHOULD HAVE KNOWN

I Love this retort.

Judith you have a condition that makes you sick, the rest of us shouldn't have to change.

Does car exhaust make you sick? Should we all stop driving?

Have you ever been addicted to anything?

Wear a fucking mask if it is that bad.

I guess perhaps there is no such thing as an ex-lefty. Perhaps some things are so ingrained that the concepts stay with you even if you do declare yourself an ex-lefty. The concept of passing yet more laws to protect us from ourselves for example. The concept of calling on the state (a cop) to handle issues that the normal person would just do themselves as another example. Ah Judith, keep at it.

Ha! Ha!

I won the debate! "Judith" didn't answer a single question and bolted.

So, either you are a complete sociopath who cannot live by the accepted customs everyone else goes by in a civil society or you cooked up this tale to shill for Ellison. What else are we supposed to deduce?

That was provocative wasn't it? No reply.

Cigars, anyone? Wooh Wah!

#256 JohnRC

No, it isn't really right to talk about her behind her back, but you can bet she is lurking. Cut and run is what it looks like, but sit at your computer and lurk!

Read her LGF..ex-lefty? Seems that there may be a relapse.

Posting in a rage after not really paying attention to the article or the posts is just foolish..and she has proved that.

She seems too full of herself to stay and finish the fight she started.
Pelosi must have put the cult of islam lackey up to it to try and harm Tancredo Bet she smokes stogies in her office! :) Flying a broomstick back to California must make it a bit difficult.

Attention scroll past list: add Judith.

Reference: Judiths complaint

Perhaps things are done differently up in Canada?

#258 Outrider

GMTA...but one of us types very slooowly!

#259 wanumba

Wanumba rules!

Tancredo should spray down Ellison's office with pig's blood. or, ya know, start cooking lots of bacon

all these anti-smoking long posts
/mama winger? heloo?

Say anyone see realwest lately?

big L

Real's computer fried
he'll be back on within 2 weeks
He's OK

NY Nana
Air Kisses!

I recommend Rep Tancredo have an office picnic every Friday afternoon from here on --catered BBQ Pork, with fries, cole slaw and pork 'n beans. Ummm, Ummm!

There's something smoked Rep Ellison should enjoy!

#261 Outrider 2/14/2007 02:22PM PST

Reference: Judiths complaint

Perhaps things are done differently up in Canada?

Thanks for pointing that out, I missed it in the winnipeg arrest. I was really thinking the USA went to pot when states start arresting people that aren't breaking the law just because people are offended. Wish I had seen she was talking from the canadian perspective, I could have had a little more fun lol.

In short, Judith, please stay in canada if you like their laws..just don't come runnin over to the USA side when they let you down ie. gun control, arresting people for being offensive yet not breaking the law, etc. You shouldn't talk about the law in the USA if you really don't know anything about it. No wonder you were clueless about the fact we have some states that don't have smoking laws.

maybe he thought he was going to assult an intern with the stogie.

#266 wanumba

Air Kisses!

Here's back atcha!

#268 Highrise

Just because one Canadian poster is an asshole, please don't lump all Canadians in with that particular one. We have wonderful posters here who are Canadian..and it just is not fair.

Canada is really our best neighbor, and PM Harper is a true friend of the US and Israel. He is a mensch, and from personal experience spanning 24 years , even LLL Torontonians can be friendly, good people. One of my sons went to U of T in the '80's, and never had a problem. We drove up right before the last election here, having voted absentee. We had Bush bumper stickers, etc., and not one person gave us the finger, etc. In fact quite a few honked their horn and gave us the thumbs up. Canada is not the enemy...and we have people here who are Americans who make Judith almost look rational. I said 'almost!' :)

271 Mean Mr Mustard

maybe he thought he was going to assult an intern with the stogie.

Actually, I think that's haalal.

When I googled ellison and Tancredo it looked like Tamcredo had supported Ellison.
That is probably why they put him there.
Nice way to say thank you.

schlemiel is the one who spills the soup.
schlemazel is the one who gets soup spilled on him.

Ellison is a dickhead, pure and simple. No balls of his own to go to Tancredo's office himself and perhaps ask politely if the representative from Colorado could extinguish his cigar? Apparently, Ellison has no balls of his own and must call on others with balls to do his work for his. What a pansy-assed wuss!

Hey, Dougie, I'm sure you're reading this about your hired Congresscritter Ellison, so you and he can both go FOAD together, on a slow boat to Saudi, preferably.

272 NY Nana 2/14/2007 03:15PM PST

#268 Highrise

Just because one Canadian poster is an asshole, please don't lump all Canadians in with that particular one. We have wonderful posters here who are Canadian..and it just is not fair.

In NO post did I lump all canadians in with Judith. When I said canadian perspective, I may have needed to make it more clear that it was how their laws were..vs. our STATE laws. HOWEVER, their laws one day will make her cry Uncle, THAT is what made me say she can't come crying to us. Just her type that thinks that way, not other canadians.

Hopefully that clears things up.

#20 theparson

The Democrats didn't seem to have a problem with Clinton and his cigars in the oval office

Somebody asked Monica if she smoked after cigar sex, and she said that she never looked down there to see

#276 highriser

Just her type that thinks that way, not other canadians.

Hopefully that clears things up.

Yup. It does. Thank you!

Some great MP3s provided by Peter Boyles and Mediawhore productions that could be used as Tancredo's Campaign Songs.
Jose, Can't You See? A Parody
Living Off America

Please Come to Denver (Amigo)

Hope everyone enjoys them and spreads them around.

Tancredo Rocks.

Yes, I agree with that. I would like to see that. I would also like to outlaw all bathroom "fresheners" too. And scented laundry products, they should go too.

Judith, what I think folks are taking an exception to, is the fact you have the option to avoid much of what you disdain, if you wish. There is validity in your argument for health, etc.

It is the imposition of your will which is a little strong.

John RC, we are in close proximity.

Babba, Delaware County does have some issues, no doubt.

Ok just click here to hear the songs

I quit smoking cigarettes 12 years ago (I do enjoy a cigar once in a while) yet I still find a smokey bar room or jazz club quite refreshing.

Booze tastes better with smoke.

I live in Minneapolis and I didn't vote for Ellison.

#52 JWF

I know it's been awhile since your post, but I have been laughing SO HARD that it took me this long to post! THAT IS REALLY FUNNY!

Hey Mama! Ask, and ye shall receive

As for the Ellison toady who complained about the Smokes, come to my neighborhood. I got a case of 'smokes' I'd like to light up for you, and yours!