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New York Times Smears "Obsession"

Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 7:30:20 pm PST

Following on the heels of Newsweek’s outrageous smear piece on Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the New York Times takes out a hit on the film “Obsession:” Film’s View of Islam Stirs Anger on Campuses. (Hat tip: davesax.)

And they dig up a rabbi to do it:

But others see it as biased. Arnold Leder, a political scientist at Texas State University, San Marcos, decided not to use it for his course “The Politics of Extremism” because of what he called “serious flaws,” including that it did not address Islam in general, the history of Islam and the schisms within the faith.

“If it were used in a class,” he said, “it would have to be treated as a polemic and placed in that context.”

Rabbi Chaim Seidler-Feller, director of U.C.L.A. Hillel, called the documentary propaganda and said it was “a way to transfer the Middle East conflict to the campus, to promote hostility.”

While the film carries cautions at the beginning and end that it is only about Islamist extremists — and that most Muslims are peaceful and do not support terror — Muslim students who have protested say they believe the documentary will still fuel prejudice.

“The movie was so well crafted and emotion manipulating that I felt myself thinking poorly of some aspects of Islam,” said Adam Osman, president of Stony Brook’s Muslim Students’ Association, who asked that it not be shown.

UPDATE at 2/27/07 7:53:45 pm:

The rabbi that the New York Times dug up to co-sign their smear job is a far-left anti-Zionist Peace Now creep who recently settled a court case for a physical attack on pro-Israel writer Rachel Neuwirth in 2003: UCLA Hillel rabbi apologizes, settles 2003 case with woman journalist. (Hat tip: EE.)

A UCLA Hillel rabbi accused of accosting a freelance journalist in October 2003 has sent the writer a letter of apology as part of a court settlement.

Rabbi Chaim Seidler-Feller, UCLA Hillel director, was accused by Rachel Neuwirth of verbally and physically assaulting her outside Royce Hall, on the UCLA campus, during a speech by Alan Dershowitz more than four years ago.

The letter was part of a settlement reached by Seidler-Feller and Neuwirth on Jan. 19, 2007.

In the letter, Seidler-Feller wrote “I am deeply sorry that I hit, kicked, and scratched you and called you a liar. By taking these unprovoked actions, I have contradicted the pluralism, peace and tolerance about which I so often preach.”

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1 DesertSage  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:31:56pm

They can't handle the truth!

2 Tarkus289  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:33:13pm

They don't know the meaning of truth.

3 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:33:40pm
“The movie was so well crafted and emotion manipulating that I felt myself thinking poorly of some aspects of Islam,” said Adam Osman, president of Stony Brook’s Muslim Students’ Association, who asked that it not be shown.

The cognitive dissonance is quite unnerving, eh, Adam?

4 wargammer2005  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:34:40pm

so how many more dead will it take?

how many cities need to die in this war?

the Left will not be happy until they are in control, forever.

same with the islamo-facists

too bad most of us will be dead, would be fun to watch the neo-commies and the islamo-facists go at it.

5 Tarkus289  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:35:10pm

some aspects, understatement.

6 MacGregor  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:37:00pm

If it helps progress the banner of socialism, NYT will print it. No matter who gets hurt.

7 aunursa  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:37:08pm

What media bias?

8 eastvillageinfidel  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:37:08pm

"i felt myself thinking poorly of some aspects of Islam"

welcome to the friggen' party.

9 Tarkus289  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:38:07pm

Ladies and Gentlemen,
it looks like it is all coming apart.
Hold on, helluva ride coming up.

10 bombarafat  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:38:15pm

Hillel Rabbis ain't what they used to be

11 friarstale  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:38:37pm

heaven forbid people should make up their own minds
just ban it
the libs are hypocritical

12 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:40:13pm

OT

One of the detectives on TNT's The Closer just explained honor killing by Muslims.

13 sonofsheldon  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:40:50pm

Where do they find these #&%?!# rabbis?

14 solomonpanting  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:41:02pm
“The question about radical Islam and how do we fight it is unproductive,” said Yehuda Sarna, the New York University rabbi on the panel. “The question is how to break down the stereotypes facing the two religions.”

I wonder when The Protocols will be shown, you know, to help break down those stereotypes.

15 ted  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:42:27pm

The documentary has become the latest flashpoint in the bitter campus debate over the Middle East, not just because of its clips from Arab television rarely shown in the West, including scenes of suicide bombers being recruited and inducted, but also because of its pro-Israel distribution network.

Yup, its the Hollywood Jewish elders cabal up to their old tricks again!

16 American Soldier  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:43:19pm
But most of the viewers, including both a rabbi and a Muslim chaplain on a discussion panel put together by the students, said the film did not foster understanding.

I'm sure we could foster understanding if we were able to hold the panel discussion at Riyadh's Grand Synagogue.
-Rabbi Mair benBaruch haCohen

17 Highrise  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:43:43pm

article:

Muslim students who have protested say they believe the documentary will still fuel prejudice.

They would believe anything exposing them is fueling prejudice..guess that is why they are offlimits!

18 shanimal1918  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:44:16pm

You can watch the new diggs drop in live on this story here:

[Link: labs.digg.com...]

hurry before the diggbats bury

19 Cartman  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:44:34pm
Rabbi Chaim Seidler-Feller

When all is said and done, as God wills it, the blood of your own will cover your hands. So very sad. My unsolicited advice? Pray for your very soul, sir.

20 bonz  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:44:59pm

Many moons ago we watched both Triumph of the Will and Olympia in school. No complaints. We were learning history and though the subject was objectionable, it was deemed a learning tool. Today....ban it. Better to ignore it

21 OtisMyMan  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:45:45pm

But we really,really do believe in free speech here on campus.

As long as it totally agrees with what we already think.

22 EE  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:45:49pm

The rabbi that The New York Times dug up to denounce this important work by Ayaan Hirsi Ali is the person who physically attacked journalist Rachel Neuwirth.
[Link: www.jewishjournal.com...]

23 eastvillageinfidel  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:46:01pm

#14 Solomonpanting
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the question "how we fight radical Islam " pretty much the ONLY question?

24 kristina37  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:46:43pm

As it says on the top of the page at the Gates of Vienna weblog: At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war. [Link: gatesofvienna.blogspot.com...]

It seems to me that there are at least two aspects to this war-- the 'hot' war....the physical fighting...and the 'cold war'...which is mainly a war of information and disinformation. At different times and in different places, these aspects wax and wane...

Over time, it can be very draining, but I think it important to keep fighting..and not just the 'hot war'..but also the information part of it. Bloggers are doing a great service, because that information reaches a lot of people. But even communicating with people in other ways can help.

25 J. Lichty  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:47:09pm

The thing is, the disclaimer is false too. Nasrallah and Arafat are mainstream Muslim leaders. These things are shown on state television. It's like saying that the State of the Union is not representative of our government.

Of course, what the "critics" fail to mention is that this is not a scripted program. It is their own words. Adam, if these words are troubling, why don't you denounce them instead of shooting Or beheading the messenger. God I am sick of the grievance theater.

26 Tarkus289  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:47:16pm

It would be bad enough to ignore the past,
but these people are re-writing the past, with impunity.

27 THX-42  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:48:07pm

It's very telling that these hit pieces never address the substance of the content. Namely, were these videos falsified in any way? (No.) Were there any translations in the English subtitles that were incorrect? (No.) Were there any assertions made by the narration that are demonstrably false? (No.)

In each case, there are just subjective statements made by the apologist (in this case, a rabbi) about the unfairness or the over-generalization implied. These are pathetics attempts to curry favor with Islamists and to obsequiously give the appearance of being fair-minded.

28 blackpajamas  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:49:10pm

I do not arm the forces of the U.S. military to defend fools like Rabbi Chaim Seidler-Feller, director of U.C.L.A. Hillel.

Anybody here a UCLA alum or attend UCLA? Got kids or grandkids that go to UCLA?

If so, unless you speak out against this moron Seidler-Feller, by directly informing UCLA that you will either cut your donations to UCLA or promise to never donate to UCLA, I really don't feel like providing for your defense either.

29 solomonpanting  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:49:11pm

23 eastvillageinfidel

But of course.
Why do you ask?

30 EE  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:50:13pm

re #22

A UCLA Hillel rabbi accused of accosting a freelance journalist in October 2003 has sent the writer a letter of apology as part of a court settlement.

Rabbi Chaim Seidler-Feller, UCLA Hillel director, was accused by Rachel Neuwirth of verbally and physically assaulting her outside Royce Hall, on the UCLA campus, during a speech by Alan Dershowitz more than four years ago.

The letter was part of a settlement reached by Seidler-Feller and Neuwirth on Jan. 19, 2007.

In the letter, Seidler-Feller wrote "I am deeply sorry that I hit, kicked, and scratched you and called you a liar. By taking these unprovoked actions, I have contradicted the pluralism, peace and tolerance about which I so often preach."

The incident occurred after Seidler-Feller approached some pro-Palestinian activists protesting Dershowitz's speech and invited them to an event featuring Suri Nusseibeh, the Palestinian representative for Jerusalem. Nusseibeh has been accused of encouraging Saddam Hussein to launch scud missile attacks against large Jewish population centers in Israel. Overhearing the invitation, Neuwirth started arguing with the rabbi, who then assaulted her. Neuwirth responded by calling him a "Kapo", a derogatory term used to describe Jews who collaborated with the Nazis in World War II.

Neuwirth filed a report with campus police the day after the incident, which occurred on Oct. 21, 2003, and the university turned the investigation over to the city attorney's office. She also filed a civil suit against Seidler-Feller and Hillel in November 2003.

In December 2003, the city attorney's office ordered Seidler-Feller to undergo a 36-hour anger-management course, and to pen a letter of apology to Neuwirth.

Neuwirth described that first letter of apology as "slippery," and pursued her civil suit, which was scheduled to go to trial in April 2007.

On Jan. 19 both parties reached a settlement, the terms of which have not been disclosed. However, Neuwirth told The Journal that it included a "substantial amount of money" in restitution, to be paid by Seidler-Feller and Hillel, as well as a new letter of apology.

31 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:51:08pm

#10 bombarafat

Hillel Rabbis ain't what they used to be

Yeah, these ones are more like Halal Rabbis.

32 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:51:17pm
But others see it as biased. blockquote>

Biased?

/all it does is depict reality

33 looking closely  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:51:50pm

When Hirsi Ali spoke at Harvard last year, I overheard one of the female Muslim student groups complaining to one of the deans (after the fact) about Hirsi Ali, and how she never should have been permitted to speak at Harvard because she was "so hateful".

"Why is she hateful?"

Because she made the film Obsession which ridiculed the Prophet. (Students in question having had a private showing of said film in their dorm room, working themselves up into a lather).

More discussion. . .various Islamic faculty members were invited to be on the panel with her. . .ALL REFUSED.

34 BingoBunny  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:52:27pm

"While our leaders cower behind words .. and the enemy prepares slaughter for our people.. "

/not sure who said it, but it has happened so many times in history someone has.

35 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:52:51pm
“The movie was so well crafted and emotion manipulating that I felt myself thinking poorly of some aspects of Islam,” said Adam Osman

It sounds like he's trying to suppress that lightbulb from going off.

/Also- he needs remedial English.

36 blbfootballs  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:53:04pm

According to this article Seidler-Feller seems to have some proclivities of his own when it comes to "transferring hostility to campus".

In the letter, Seidler-Feller wrote: “I am deeply sorry that I hit, kicked, and scratched you and called you a liar..."

And it's MSA to the emotional rescue:

"“The movie was so well crafted and emotion manipulating that I felt myself thinking poorly of some aspects of Islam,” said Adam Osman"

"Thinking poorly of some aspects of Islam?" Oh, the horror!

37 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:53:31pm

EE, I notified Charles of your #22.

38 Lively  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:53:31pm

#27 THX-42

It's very telling that these hit pieces never address the substance of the content. Namely, were these videos falsified in any way? (No.) Were there any translations in the English subtitles that were incorrect? (No.) Were there any assertions made by the narration that are demonstrably false? (No.)

Our culture tells us it's impolite to think bad about another person's religion. Over at Digg, many people will admit there could be something wrong with Islam....but would you please stop talking about it. I hear think line of thinking all over the internet. But it's good to bring it up again.

39 Muadib  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:54:15pm

The title of this NY Slimes story should read:

Film’s View of Islam Stirs Obedient Dhimmis to Anger.

Meanwhile, Muslims continue their slaughter of infidels.

40 eastvillageinfidel  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:54:20pm

#29 solomonpanting

Just making sure . :)

41 Cartman  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:54:40pm

The LGF hamsters seem to be struggling again this evening. "Cut that meat!"

/Peyton Manning
;)

42 looking closely  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:55:30pm

#33

Whoops, sorry crossed threads there.

Hirsi Ali wrote the film "Submission" (not Obsession), for which the director Theo Van Gogh was murdered.

43 kristina37  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:56:08pm

27 - THX-42 - that seem to be one of their main tactics...turn the subject away from the content. I've noticed on dicussions on Digg, for example...no matter how impressive an article may be, they will immediately turn the discussion to the fact that it was posted on LGF or Malkin or Fox or whatever. Then the discussion becomes about whether or not those sites are biased...BUT the dicussion is no longer about..the subject in the article.

44 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:57:02pm

#37, Noam

Quick update, huh?

45 EE  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:57:28pm

re #22

The incident occurred after Seidler-Feller approached some pro-Palestinian activists protesting Dershowitz's speech and invited them to an event featuring Suri Nusseibeh, the Palestinian representative for Jerusalem. Nusseibeh has been accused of encouraging Saddam Hussein to launch scud missile attacks against large Jewish population centers in Israel.

The New York Times got hold of a dhimmi rabbi and uses him as the go-to person to ratify The New York Times' editorial policy.

Which side is Seidler-Feller on? It isn't the side that I'm on.

Did journalist Rachel Neuwirth, after she was attacked by Seidler-Feller, call him a "kapo"? Perhaps the kapos, if they were still alive, should object to being compared to Seidler-Feller, who after all is not under the pressure of the Holocaust, and does his damage without being under such stress.

46 pat  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:57:37pm

Ask not what censorship is, it is here.

47 Atman  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:57:39pm

Hey Adam!
Was it the taking of slaves?
The beheadings?
The misogyny?
The lying?
The murdering of innocents?
The pedophilia?
Can you just put your finger on it for us..........

48 republic  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:58:24pm
While the film carries cautions at the beginning and end that it is only about Islamist extremists — and that most Muslims are peaceful and do not support terror — Muslim students who have protested say they believe the documentary will still fuel prejudice.

Of course, daily, in nearly all of the world, beheadings of "infidels", bombings of infidels and other innocent people, Muslims included, plots and plannings of homicide bombings, the barbaric treatment of woman in the Muslim world, the pedophilia in the Muslim world, the "honor killings", because somebody looked at somebody elses sister funny, the daily preachings of millions of Imams calling for the death and destruction of Israel, the USA and the West, the attempted taking over, by force, cohersion, lies and deceit of the countries who don't want sharia law, etc, etc, etc, doesn't have anything to do with that,

"prejudice"!

So according to these Islamofascist kooks, calling out those, who carry out these very kinds of attacks and abuses, is prejudice?

Mark me down as one who will never, while I have the breath of Life in me, ever, be silent!

49 mattyk  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:58:32pm

Ironically, UCLA Hillel seems to have co-sponsored a screening of Obsession a few weeks ago -- along with a speech by Nonie Darwish -- during Islamic Awareness Week no less. the students there aren't nearly as moonbatty as their administrators.

The articles give different lists of co-sponsors. The later one omits Bruin Republicans (which definately was a co-sponsor) and includes Hillel, and the other does the opposite. The Facebook invite shows both as cosponsors.

[Link: www.dailybruin.com...]
[Link: www.dailybruin.com...]

50 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:58:45pm

New thread -- check.

Digg commentary -- check.

/LGF, the new normal

51 WrathofG-d  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 5:58:52pm

13 19 etc:

Rabbi Chaim Seidler-Feller


I know of this guy. He works at the Hillel @ UCLA. He is your typical "leftist" Peace-Now Rabbi. Still sticks to the whole "Palestinians" want peace, 2 state is only solution, "occupation" is the problem, mantra.

Typical Liberal college, Liberalism-before-Judaism "rabbi".

He actually punched a woman (in the face IIRC) at UCLA after a speech by Alan Dershowitz.

Google him. It just settled recently. Or if you are an attorney (or good at searching) you can get the court papers from the LA Court system. They are all public records.

this quick "google" search should tell you all you need to know about the Gentleman. [Link: aolsearch.aol.com...]

I've seen Obsession and it is spot on. Its funny how everytime anyone points out the dangerous part of Islam....the "other side" insists that we ignore that part (ie: the part that will kill us) for the part that is "peacefull". Truth is, Naziism had a lot of great aspects to it. (Nationalism, Family, Commitment to a greater cause, Education, Brotherhood) but it was the "kill all the Jews & other 'undesireables'" part that I think was a bit more important to pay attention to.

52 dcbatlle  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:00:46pm

By taking these unprovoked actions, I have contradicted the pluralism, peace and tolerance about which I so often preach.”

Interesting how Leftards PREACH about tolerance, but rarely --if ever-- show it in real life.

53 wvobiwan  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:03:04pm

#8 eastvillageinfidel:

ROFL! Well said, quite pointed.

Welcome to the 'party' indeed Adam, sorry it's such a revelation for your PC-ed, mollycoddled, brainwashed ass.

54 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:03:32pm

So we have a smear against Ayaan Hirsi Ali in Newsweek by an writer who's been awarded for bringing her Islamic perspective to her work, and a smear against Obsession in the New York Times by a violent anti-Israel rabbi.

So where's the third one? You know, "once is an isolated incident, twice is coincidence, and three times is enemy action"?

55 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:03:33pm
I felt myself thinking poorly of some aspects of Islam

Adam, I don't know how you can "feel" yourself thinking, but I know the last thing you kids want to be doing in college is thinking. I distracts from all the frat parties.

56 leftout  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:04:15pm

Sorry to go off thread but did anyone see the frontline report Newswar on the decline od the MSM and their efforts to move into internet based journalism.
they showed Kos, and some other liberals but only passed over a graphic for LGF.

They focused on the new media but spent a lot of time with the problems at the LA times.There is a huge clash between the wall street stock holders who want ever increasing profits and the liberal jornalists who want to rock the world with their international coverage of evernts from an anti American internationalist socialist editorial content. The stockholders want the LA Times to focus on local news and to make money.

It was very interesting to see the mindset of the editor of the LA time and kellor at the NYT. They are in a bubble that does not let them Fathom what the average man and woman in the street wants to hear. The want to be the world's newpaper. Liberal through and through. They have no idea how much hate and anomosity is felt toward them by a large segment of the population.

57 the_flying_pig  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:04:34pm

Anti-truth forces still doing dirty and dirtier works like always.

Islamofascist-Leftist moonbat convergence strengthens anti-truth.

The fight for the truth has never been greater and more deservingly worthy.

58 Durendal  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:04:53pm

the leftist/Islamist convergence is a laugh riot

59 Tumulus11  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:05:53pm
'At Pace University in New York, administrators pressured the Jewish student organization Hillel to cancel a showing in November, arguing it could spur hate crimes against Muslim students.'

'Danger, Will Robinson! Hate crimes! Backlash!'

'The movie was so well crafted and emotion manipulating that I felt myself thinking poorly of some aspects of Islam,” said Adam Osman, president of Stony Brook’s Muslim Students’ Association, who asked that it not be shown.'

' Don't let them show the baaaaad movie. It made me feel baaaaaad!'

'It features scenes like the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Muslim children being encouraged to become suicide bombers, interspersed with those of Nazi rallies.'


Those were Hamas and Hesb'allah rallies. Not Nazi. Never Nazi.
// Different genocidal Primitives.

60 Spiny Norman  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:06:47pm

#54 Dar ul Harb

So we have a smear against Ayaan Hirsi Ali in Newsweek by an writer who's been awarded for bringing her Islamic perspective to her work, and a smear against Obsession in the New York Times by a violent anti-Israel rabbi.

So where's the third one? You know, "once is an isolated incident, twice is coincidence, and three times is enemy action"?

Is a 60 Minutes character assassination in the offing?

61 nocoolname  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:07:27pm

The NYT brings the scare quotes, too:

At San Francisco State University, for example, College Republicans stomped on copies of the Hamas and Hezbollah flags last October at an “antiterrorism” rally.

So the NYT is questioning whether Hamas and Hezbollah are terror groups. Nice.

62 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:08:59pm

Rabbi Chaim Seidler-Feller, director of U.C.L.A. Hillel, called the documentary propaganda and said it was “a way to transfer the Middle East conflict to the campus, to promote hostility.”

Sorry- we don't need a movie for that- we have student visas.

63 mbruce  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:09:12pm

These people hate America so much that they would gladly be taken over by Islam just so that they could go to their graves with the knowledge that they brought the USA down. They are scum and we must fight back against them all.

64 StuLongIsland  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:09:19pm

Dennis Prager wrote a good article today that appeared in Jewish World Review --- "George Soros and the problem of self-hating Hebrews " --- What do Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Noam Chomsky and George Soros have in common?

The Link to the article

I am amazed about people who seek their own self destruction, being Miserable is their life.

65 Flying Dutchman  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:09:19pm

Charles,

I'm sorry to tell you I experience exactly the same symptoms as yesterday with Firefox Mac (please read my posts # 74, 79, 80, 102) on this article comments : Muslim Girl Ejected from Canadian Soccer Tournament

I double checked again with several machines but nothing did fix it. Looks like it's again the same digg script !
When blocked, Firefox keeps telling me "data transfered from digg" (translated from french) in the bottom status bar.

As I wrote earlier today in post # 102, despite not making any changes everything was fine again when I logged in today, now since this article has been posted it's broken again.

Don't mind for me, I can use Safari (working fine like yesterday), but others may have more difficulties finding a workaround.

Hope it isn't digg trying to block users from LGF !

66 brent  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:10:36pm
In the letter, Seidler-Feller wrote “I am deeply sorry that I hit, kicked, and scratched you and called you a liar. By taking these unprovoked actions, I have contradicted the pluralism, peace and tolerance about which I so often preach.”

I wonder; if I were to hit, kick, and scratch a woman if the Times would quote me? Maybe after I did a stint on America's Next Effeminate Rabbi Model?

What a tool.

67 EE  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:12:55pm

JUDENRAT: The Jewish People's Fifth Column,
by Avi Davis
[Link: www.masada2000.org...]
Some thoughts on Rabbi Chaim Seidler-Feller, and a few others.

68 gymnast  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:14:31pm

Ah, so much Happy Horseshit, the academy, growing mushrooms for the future with tenured "farmers".

69 lowandslow  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:18:51pm

#24 kristina37

It seems to me that there are at least two aspects to this war-- the 'hot' war....the physical fighting...and the 'cold war'...which is mainly a war of information and disinformation. At different times and in different places, these aspects wax and wane...

Over time, it can be very draining, but I think it important to keep fighting..and not just the 'hot war'..but also the information part of it. Bloggers are doing a great service, because that information reaches a lot of people. But even communicating with people in other ways can help.

What bothers me about the anti-war, left, progressives (I'm not sure what to call them anymore) crowd is that instead of letting people make up there own minds about Islam and the threat it may bring is they actively try to suppress any information to get out. I don't understand what purpose it serve for them.

70 EE  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:19:24pm

re #67


Chaim Seidler-Feller may be the exemplar par excellence of the art of social climbing masquerading as ideological purity. Although possessing rabbinical ordination from Yeshiva University, the UCLA Hillel Director today describes himself as " post- denominational" - a meaningless but convenient designation that allows him to float ideologically between causes. But any accusations of intellectual fuzziness seems not to have not tainted his mystique. He has, in fact, become the cynosure for Los Angeles liberal-left causes, an organizer of conferences involving groups who spew the most venomous anti-Semitic and anti- Zionist rhetoric and an adamantine critic of all right wing governments – whether Israeli or American. For taking such popular leftist stances he has been rewarded with the elan of social recognition. But such self-absorption carries a heavy price. How do UCLA's Jewish students, assaulted daily with a previously unknown rash of anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism, understand a supposed mentor who is so equivocal in his support for the Jewish state? The answer is that they either spurn him as unreliable or , as is more common, sink into confusion about their own levels of commitment to both Israel and Judaism.


The rabbi that The New York Times dug up: Chaim Seidler-Feller, social climbing masquerading as ideological purity. Organizing conferences involving groups who spew the most venomous anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist rhetoric.
To climb socially, on the Left side.

71 427SOHC  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:19:56pm

Well, I guess this is just another piece of evidence regarding the need for an AGGRESSIVE deportation program in this country. Sure, the illegal aliens should be deported, but FIRST, ALL MEMBERS PAST AND PRESENT OF ANY MUSLIM STUDENT ORGANIZATION should be sent packing to either Darfur or Iraq.

Whether the aircraft used actually lands or not at the destination is optional, as well as whether parachutes are issued to the deportees is of little concern to me.

Actually, in order to reduce the carbon footprint of the deportations, landings and takeoffs should be minimized as well as the consumption of synthetic fibers. Therefore, the Vietnam Door Gunner Unsuccessful Interrogation Technique would be most appropriate for this group of crapwad traitors.

Islam is NOT a religion, but only a political system even more diametrically opposed to ours than Communism. It deserves no more protection than a street gang.

72 Haiku  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:21:35pm

Ism, Peace Now members have actully infilterated Hillel's across the country and work with Muslim groups to spread anti-Israel propaganda across college campuses. That is why pro-Israel speakers, films are being censored at many colleges. There should be an investigation into this before Hillel is completely taken over by the enemy.

73 carbon footprint  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:22:00pm

Chaim Seidler-Feller is a Judenrat.

Definition of Judenrat "The Jewish councils appointed or elected to carry out Nazi orders in the Jewish communities of occupied Europe."

From Masada200.org.

74 Atman  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:22:40pm

#62 Sharmuta

Sorry- we don't need a movie for that- we have student visas.


Just ask UC Davis.....

75 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:25:48pm
Rabbi Chaim Seidler-Feller, director of U.C.L.A. Hillel, called the documentary propaganda and said it was “a way to transfer the Middle East conflict to the campus, to promote hostility.

Sorry- we don't need a movie for that- we have cabbies.

76 pat  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:25:58pm

Islam. The double standard.
[Link: politicalmavens.com...]

77 Jack Reacher  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:27:21pm
...it could spur hate crimes against Muslim students.

When has that ever happened? The only hate crimes against Muslims are committed by other Muslims, and they have nothing to do with a movie, and everything to do with a hateful book.

78 EE  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:27:23pm

Thanks for the hat tip, Charles.

In the letter, Seidler-Feller wrote “I am deeply sorry that I hit, kicked, and scratched you and called you a liar. By taking these unprovoked actions, I have contradicted the pluralism, peace and tolerance about which I so often preach.”

Those who claim to be the "peace" movement may not be so peaceful after all.

Couldn't The New York Times have dug up a rabbi less violent to support their smear job against the work of the courageous Ayaan Hirsi Ali? Is that the best they could dig up?

79 Live4Truth  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:27:44pm
“The movie was so well crafted and emotion manipulating that I felt myself thinking poorly of some aspects of Islam,” said Adam Osman, president of Stony Brook’s Muslim Students’ Association

Oh yeah, well, we sure can't have THAT, now can we? Nevermind if it's true, it's just taboo to think ANYTHING negative about ANY aspect of Islam. Nevermind if it's true.

(Pssssssst, Adam. Ever hear of brainwashing and mind control?)

80 Highrise  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:27:50pm

Wow..from the update (about that Rabbi):

In the letter, Seidler-Feller wrote “I am deeply sorry that I hit, kicked, and scratched you and called you a liar. By taking these unprovoked actions, I have contradicted the pluralism, peace and tolerance about which I so often preach.”

It's pretty bad when a blogger or internet user can pick this info up fast and a blogger can get the info out there way faster than Jo Shmo newspaper. Journalists really should rename themselves to just becoming a phone piece that plays *operator*. That is about all that they do...no decent analysis...just pick and post....background check? What background check?

81 eastvillageinfidel  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:29:02pm

I think that most hardcore lefty college professors and the assorted communists, racists, terrorists, and general kooks they invite to speak at the propaganda slums they inhabit would be very, very happy to destroy our country from within. They would feel a real (however perverse) sense of accomplishment and pride at having brought down "the establishment". I think most of their students are just stupid kids who want to feel like they're part of something big and important and socially responsible and all that stupid rot. They probably would support Sharia law being implemented just to show how "passionate" they are about equality. That would last as long as it took for them to figure out the beer bong wasn't kosher anymore .

82 427SOHC  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:30:28pm

Hey Altman!

In your #47 Post, you forgot;

the bestiality

the incest

the lack of property rights

the lack of music

the time wasted running back and forth to the mosque five times a day

the sloth (as evinced by month long holidays)

the .....

....Hell, we only have 4,000 or so letters allowed in a post.

83 Killian Bundy  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:30:30pm

I smell moby!

/kill 'em all!

84 Catttt  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:32:18pm

I'm getting tired of lefties throwing the word "polemic" around as if it's verboten. In actual fact, it is NOT against the law. In particular, it's not against the law at a place where people go to learn. Do they think George Orwell's essays should be thrown out?

It's not just that these people would rather kiss ass all the way to the mosque than refute the opinions and dispute the actions of people. It's not just that they want to pretend the irrational, violent opinions and actions of others are multiculturalism and free speech.

It's that they want to control what students can think and can't think. It makes me sick.

85 gymnast  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:33:55pm

Apparently that Feller is a Kapo wanabe. Must be a lot of worms in the mush between his ears for him to want to worship Thanatos.

86 pat  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:35:03pm

RABBI WEIROD?

87 kristina37  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:36:02pm

#69 lowandslow - I agree. I think that up until a few years ago, they would have let the other side express their views-- to win by presenting a better argument. (To use an analogy with the burying on Digg-- in the past, the Left wouldn't have buried so much-- rather, they would've focused on posting more things that argued for their point of view. Now, however, they focus on burying opposing views).

Another example..in the past, if a speaker they didn't like came to a college campus, they might have peacefully picketed outside, and handed out literature. Which is great-- both sides presenting their views. Now, however, its more likely they will enter the bldg and try and shout down the speaker (and what' even worse..if that is possible, i the moronic college adminitrators that allow this to go on )

I don't know what the answer is...but I suppose, ultimately, it still the same... persistance over time. Keep on putting out the truth.

Although its perhap no longer 'politically correct' to mention Digg here (and I realize that it is very upetting to some)-- I will continue to participate there..by posting things and digging things. In my opinion, the more that the truth is present, the more the chance some folks will be exposed to it).

88 Atman  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:36:42pm

#82 427SOHC

Ha. Thanks for the help.......

89 republic  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:38:57pm

#69 lowandslow

I don't understand what purpose it serve for them.

"The enemy, of my enemy, is my friend"

That is their twisted logic, even if it may mean the demise of their family and friends and fellow countrymen.

90 dead sea squirrel  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:39:31pm
#84 Catttt
I'm getting tired of lefties throwing the word "polemic" around as if it's verboten.

Even more common is the use of the term "divisive" as a catch-all criticism. If it's divisive, it's bad. Never mind that thinking something is true is always going to divide you from those who do not. If something isn't divisive it isn't worth a damn.

91 benthoven  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:39:35pm

Try as they may, Newsweek and NYT will have a very hard time un-ringing the bell rung by Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

She's just way too articulate, well-spoken, charismatic and credible for anyone to ignore for long. No wonder the moonbat meltdown is proceeding at a gathering pace.

92 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:39:55pm
Rabbi Chaim Seidler-Feller, director of U.C.L.A. Hillel, called the documentary propaganda and said it was “a way to transfer the Middle East conflict to the campus, to promote hostility.”

Sorry- we don't need a movie for that, we have student organizations.

/Have I made my point yet, rabbi?

93 benthoven  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:41:12pm

Sorry, oops wrong thread, but same goes for "Obsession" - too much truth is a dangerous thing for moonbats.

94 liberality  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:41:20pm

Curious - you make sure to highlight the authour's name in the previous post, Lorraine Ali. But no such citation here (it's Karen Arenson, btw). Just an oversight, I'm sure.

95 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:42:01pm
"By taking these unprovoked actions, I have contradicted the pluralism, peace and tolerance about which I so often preach."

Yeah, you and just about every other hypocritical, self-righteous bleeding heart.

96 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:44:10pm

Luckily, because this is in the new york times, not that many people will read it.

97 gymnast  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:46:21pm

#94, liberality, Tryouts for the dry pool diving team aren't until next week. Line up with the other shitbirds and take a number.

98 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:46:22pm

94 liberality

Curious - you make sure to highlight the authour's name in the previous post, Lorraine Ali. But no such citation here (it's Karen Arenson, btw). Just an oversight, I'm sure.

Yep. Just an oversight- by you.

/Figure it out

99 carridine  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:46:40pm

#80 Highrise:

"Bagroun chek? BAHGROUN chek? We don' need no steenken bagroun chek!"


We are JOURNALISTS, writing the truth, as sent down from the heaven of leftard thinkers and other Marxist greats!

100 eLoser  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:50:07pm

tonight, anderson cooper is doing CNN's level best at their own version of obsession: "afghanistan: the unfinished war" (encore presentation)

FWIW, there's even a few memri clips shown.

can't find a u2b link

101 kristina37  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:50:07pm

OT- another brave woman

Not Possible to Modernize Islam"
Human rights activists have formed a "Central Council of Ex-Muslims in Germany" to help women renounce the Islamic faith if they feel oppressed by its laws. Its Iranian-born founder Mina Ahadi, under police protection after receiving death threats, talks to DER SPIEGEL about its goals.


Mina Ahadi has received death threats after founding the group.
An Iranian human rights activist living in Germany has formed a "Central Council of ex-Muslims in Germany" with 40 others and has received anonymous death threats after declaring she wants to help people to leave the religion if they so desire.

[Link: digg.com...]

102 former demo  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:50:13pm

I'm sorry, but digg is screwing this site up.

103 qgrey  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:53:06pm

Speaking of hatred and prejudice...

saudi sheikh with a twisted view, trying to disband the Judeo-Christian coalition of love

Why? why? why?

Can't those idiots just find a hole and crawl back into it?

104 easy  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:54:35pm

94 liberality

Well, you see, they were different.

One was a fairly straightforward news story. The other is an opinion piece by someone who wants to show us a different "perspective", hers. So who she is matters.

Different.

105 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:56:29pm

101 kristina37

That digg came from an LGFer.

106 Outrider  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:57:32pm

What is it with college and university campuses? Ever since I first attended classes in 1973 to the last class I attended last July, the left has controlled the curriculum and every thing that is done on campus. Anything that is of a conservative nature is shouted down, edited, and censured. I have endured political discourses from professors in classes as diverse as business management and computer science. The final straw of my being the recipient of a poor grade by an art teacher because I would constantly disrupt her diatribes against President Reagan.

Nothing has changed on campus. If it doesn't fit the liberals view of life, politics, and the world in general, then it is rejected from the campus and buried. This is merely another in a long line of abuses and an attempt to control the minds of the youth.

107 Highrise  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:58:51pm

99 carridine

And the MSM is getting scared..they take pot shots whenever they can at bloggers..sure sign.

I watched Fox's new show that Malkin and Powers and it was fun on blogging. I hope the show makes it..I have a feeling they'll need to make it more than a once a week type thing or it'll be slow going for the type of audience that they attract which wants stuff NOW lol.

Not that Malkin doesn't work her butt off (love her to pieces) but I think Powers has her work cut out for her on that show. I imagine it's REALLY hard to find liberal bloggers that aren't really far out there...She does a good job but even she struggles justifying the dems position on things.

108 MikeySDCA  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 6:59:15pm

The Rabbi "hit, kicked, and scratched" a woman? That is not the behavior of a gentleman.

109 Moishe3rd  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:02:48pm

Hey people,
This and the previous news stories are depressing to the extreme.
What I want to know is what can be done?
These two - the NY Times and Newsweek, have millions of readers who actually form their beliefs based on this crap.
How can that be changed?
Seriously....
This has got to stop.

110 Highrise  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:06:46pm

106 Outrider 2/27/2007 08:57PM PST

What is it with college and university campuses?


You know, I don't get it either. Mine was a liberal U as well. They didn't even try to get the other side to come in. I'm sure they had some here and there but it was not promoted.

What makes me really ticked off is when the military is not allowed in and those public U's are getting fed/state money. We should be yanking that ASAP. Santa Cruz U, CA threw up their hands and halted the entire job fair because they didn't feel they could fund the proper police force needed to protect the armed force guys..so they just didn't hold it at all. How pathetic! The colleges are the ones that help create that type of mindset of these hoodlums that suppress the military...they go the entire year promoting the liberalism then they wonder why their looney left students can't deal in the real world with opposition. Let's start yanking the damn monies NOW...I say! Bet those U's would figure out how to make it work!

111 solomonpanting  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:07:20pm

Silly Rabbi, Kicks are for Yids.

112 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:09:04pm

Charles- I love the new Digg Search link. Pops up a new window, I go in, digg your posts, but who is Chris Johnson?

/LOL

113 eastvillageinfidel  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:09:57pm

#108 MikeySDCA

" The Rabbi "hit, kicked, and scratched" a woman? That is not the behavior of a gentleman. "

Doesn't sound like much of a peace-nik either. bastard.

114 carbon footprint  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:11:03pm

111 solomonpanting

Silly Rabbi, Kicks are for Yids.

Brill!

115 yochanan  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:11:18pm

almost all hillel rabbis are liberal/leftist if you have kids on college campus offen there are chabad houses near by and all of them the rabbis are conserative.

116 carridine  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:12:30pm

#107 Highrise: a female edition of Hannity & Skeletor?

Grooovy!

But in that case, yes, the show will have exactly the same strengths and weaknesses as H&C, namely:
+the leftists are NOT accustomed to THINKING
+the leftists are NOT practiced at reasoning
+the leftists are NOT familiar with research, off- or on-line research
+the leftists/socialists, when confronted by the Steyn-Malkin-Hansons of this world, (not to slight Hirsi Ali, Melanie Phillips or Charles Johnsons of our world) are repeatedly humiliated when they're footnoted, referenced, quoted to their own faces with their own words, and soon become
+less than LEAPING Liberals!

"Leapin' Liberals, Sandy! Daddy Gotrox just delivered a resounding smackdown to that leftard, didn't he?" Lil Orfin Annie

117 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:12:39pm

109 Moishe3rd

These two - the NY Times and Newsweek, have millions of readers who actually form their beliefs based on this crap.

I believe they're losing millions of readers. All they have left are the BSD sufferers, and they are too far gone for help.

118 Highrise  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:14:43pm

116 carridine 2/27/2007 09:12PM PST

#107 Highrise: a female edition of Hannity & Skeletor?

HA! Well ATLEAST they found a female that is very easy to look at..Fox can pick out the good lookin women.....wonder what connections colmes has to Fox for him to slip under the radar? /snicker

119 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:16:34pm

#117 Sharmuta

I believe they're losing millions of readers.

No doubt. To the internet, among other sources. Newsweek has always been a McNews magazine so people will use it because they think it's a convenient source. The Times somehow survives on a shrinking readership of people still loyal or too lazy to cancel their subscriptions.

120 AirForceWife  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:17:45pm

#21 OtisMyMan 2/27/2007 07:45PM PST

But we really,really do believe in free speech here on campus.

Because the Universities are places of free thought and the open exchange of ideas. Isn't that what they used to claim?

121 carridine  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:20:13pm

#109 Moishe-3rd: The NYTimes is being 'changed' as we speak. It very recently posted losses in excess of $640 MILLION for 2006, at least in part because longtime leftoid sympathizers have been getting news about reality, from the Internet.

The resulting lack of circulation results in less income from advertisers, and so the NY Slimes is in trouble... deep doo-doo... kraznotz!

Another change-factor driving people FROM the tainted Main Stream Media is the increased hunger for truth, accountability and trustworthiness in this time of RAPID CHANGE!

Things are scary enough without having to discount or decode Times (Newsweek, Time) Stories-With-an-Agenda!

122 kristina37  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:20:42pm

#105 Sharmuta - Well, if it came from an LGFer, it musn't be true, because I read somewhere on the internet that LGF is a hate site we they are trying to get people to hate muslims or somethinjg like that
/sarcasm

Actually, that means its been posted there twice....

123 Highrise  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:25:41pm

The funny thing about these stupid liberal outlets that spew and their circulations are spiraling down..yet they act so clueless on what to do to fix it. I'd LOVE to be a fly on the all in those higher up board rooms. They are so stuck in their ideology and hatred bias that they can't simply look at who is kicking their pants..and do the same.

124 NY Nana  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:26:02pm

Sorry if this was posted re the 'Rabbi'..

[...]So, why would a Hillel Rabbi be promoting such a person, encouraging Jewish students to feel sympathetically towards him? And why would the suggestion that Nusseibeh had done some bad things to Israel push him over the edge to physically attack a fellow Jew, an Israel supporter and a woman?

Take a look at what he’s been doing at Hillel at UCLA all along. He’s on the board of Tikkun Magazine, for one. And he’s been hosting the likes of El Fadl, whom Daniel Pipes pointed out had for years contributed to the Holy Land Foundation, which the U.S. closed down last year because it raises money for the Hamas. He’s signed petitions published in major newspapers calling for an international force to “protect” Israelis and 'palestinians', “to take up at once the Saudi proposals for regional peace endorsed by the Beirut Conference…” and endorsing a two-state solution.

Ben Shapiro, a student at UCLA, writing in the YU Commentator of a conversation with then head of Hillel - Richard Joel - summed it up this way: “I go to UCLA, so I am most familiar with the situation there. The Rabbi at UCLA Hillel is Chaim Seidler-Feller, a rabidly leftist Jew who openly sympathizes with the 'palestinians'. In the past he has compared Jewish treatment of 'palestinians' to Nazi treatment of Jews. Chaim Seidler-Feller offers virtually no support to the pro-Israel wing on campus."[...]

Another rabid lefty, but he goes so far beyond the Pale that I do not understand why he is still a Rabbi. To compare the Jews,whose lives are on the line 24/7, in Israel, to the *azis?

Please read the whole article.

Feh. Al-NYT must forget that this is the computer age, and people can actually look up info and get...gasp...the truth. Morons...al-NYT deserves to go down in flames.

125 Atman  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:26:51pm

#12 MandyManners

Not OT at all.
The money quote was:
"same people different book."

126 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:27:23pm

119 mickthemick

Newsweek has always been a McNews magazine

Frankly, I can't figure out why anyone would buy a news magazine. It's full of week old news. Same with the newspapers- it's all day old news. You're right- they're losing readers in large part to the internet, where the consumer can get the news almost instantaneously.

127 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:30:43pm

122 kristina37

Actually, that means its been posted there twice....

Because of the diggbats, a number of LGFers are resubmitting the stories without the link to LGF so that the story is still out there.

/Because being a bigot once just isn't enough.

128 RTLM  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:33:26pm

I recall the LGF 01/9 post about Pace University threatening Hillel for showing the film Obsession.

Are there varying degrees of loyalty in the Hillel ?

129 Sharmuta  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:38:25pm

OT, but hilarious.

Aisha left a little something over at digg:

Aisha would like to congratulate you on your approach to the Islamophobes at LGF. It is clear that those kufr Jews hate Muslims and they are persecuting us. For example is it not clear that the law of hijaab requires women to stay inside the house and not parade themselves like shameless sharmutas in nakedness. Nevertheless, the kufr at LGF support the womons going outside the house, even without hijaab. And further, they support the homobutfuckuals! It is clear that ALLAH TAALA prescribes no less than FIVE, kufr, FIVE, forms of CAPITAL PUNISHMENT for men who have sex with men, and inshallah, we will have this in the United States soon, when Obama is President, inshallah.

ASH-HADU ANLA ELAHA ILLA-ALLAH WA ASH-HADU ANNA MOHAMMADAN RASUL-ALLAH!

Gosh- she even mentions me.

130 victor_yugo  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:40:35pm

#106 Outrider:

What is it with college and university campuses?

Until they figure it out, they get precisely zero support from me.

After my Inbox got the latest news about the Islamic "theologian-in-residence" and the latest "global warming" propaganda (right before a major snow dump), I told my wanted-to-be alma mater to take me off all their mailing lists: "I wish to sever all ties to the College of ________."

The next time I get an email from these clowns, I'm calling them on the phone and telling them off. If need be, I'll publicize their stupidity online. Hell, I might even contact their trustees.

131 eastvillageinfidel  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:41:20pm

#126 Sharmuta

News magazines are stupid. I got a subscription to one free when I opened a bank account. Dont remember which one . I wouldn't even carry it up the stairs when it came in the mail, staight to the recycle bin it went. I read the newspaper for something to do on the subway. I have to admit I still like to read an actual paper. I come here for actual news.

132 RTLM  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:43:00pm

Hannity & Colmes have a conversation on this - now...

133 American Soldier  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:51:15pm

#129 Sharmuta 2/27/2007 09:38PM PST

OT, but hilarious.

Aisha left a little something over at digg:

Aisha, like tfk, Scotch, or Guinness, is an acquired taste. That is one of the better posts. Wonder how many lefties were nodding their heads in agreement without really reading it.

134 MattyK  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:53:30pm

RE: #128

But as I pointed out, UCLA Hillel DID sponsor a showing of Obsession. Siedler-feller is a lefty, but he's not a dangerous one -- at least not anymore. After the Neuwirth incident, everything changed.

Seidler-Feller gave Hillel subsidiary Bruins for Israel some money right away. Then he gave them a lot more autonomy. He alsowithdrew his years-long opposition to Hillel endorsing candidates in student government. This was a big deal beause his motivation for blocking endorsements was the fact that the students would support a moderate party allied with the Greek System/College Republicans/College Democrats/Smaller Jewish Groups rather than the radical one allied with minority interest groups. He even authorized the creation of a Jewish Conservative organization under Hillel, though it did not materialize because the student in charge flaked. He also stopped pushing Hillel's liberal subsidary toward further radicalism, and its lately alteranted between significantly less radical then it used to be and practically non-existant, which stems not only from his actions but the generally-reaosnable nature of the students. Finally, two of the past three student Presidents of UCLA Hillel have been Republicans.

135 JerseyDave  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 7:55:19pm

The Ku Klux Klan has played things wrong. They should have claimed they were a persecuted race. Well, they do, but the media doesn't buy it from them.

Why does the media see straight through the one bunch of loonies and not this other one?

136 Abu Maven  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 8:06:26pm

131 eastvillageinfidel,

Assuming you live in NYC, get yourself a subscription to the NY Sun. It's like LGF in print.

137 concernedUCIstudent  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 8:33:11pm

I covered this Rabbi here and here. He has blatantly ignored overt anti-Semitism at UC campuses.

138 alias  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 9:50:19pm

There was a "Obsession" screening in the Seattle area, about a month ago, without incident. It was packed to overflowing, around 1500. Several Muslims attended; during the Q&A, some of them publicly expressed their disapproval towards Islamic extremism, which was well-received by the audience.

139 American Jewess in Jerusalem  Tue, Feb 27, 2007 11:00:26pm

All moonbats are cause for concern and disturb our peace of mind, but there is something particularly distressing about the existence of Jewish moonbats (a special treat when they call themselves 'rabbi'). I don't understand the desire to destroy one's own people, one's own family, one's own nation, one's own religion, one's own self.

In our daily prayers, we have a passage in which we beseech G-d, "and for the slanderers, let there be no hope, and let all wickedness perish in an instant; and may all your enemies be cut down speedily." Some say this is a prayer about heretics, but one explanation of this prayer is that "slanderers" refers to those Jews in ancient times who would go to the gentiles and slander other Jews, which often led to persecution of the entire group. I guess this sort of thing has been going on for a long time.

140 57Chevy  Wed, Feb 28, 2007 12:35:28am

Saudi Oil Money at work.

141 humanity  Wed, Feb 28, 2007 1:17:24am

Yeah! anger on non-muslims......

i haven't seen any attack real attack on muslims from last 1 year, wjhen obsession released... instead i do hear that Muslim shot dead, bring down, raped, looted, burned down, stonned (and so on) a non-Muslim....

Moonbat, Mohammedias and Muslims control the media

142 shimra  Wed, Feb 28, 2007 1:46:18am

Chaim Seidler Feller is no rabbi.

143 sloggin420[deleted]  Wed, Feb 28, 2007 2:53:43am
144 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Feb 28, 2007 3:52:38am

#134 MattyK

Siedler-feller is a lefty, but he's not a dangerous one -- at least not anymore. After the Neuwirth incident, everything changed.

I disagree. If he's the NYT's go-to guy, he's dangerous.

145 scaramouche  Wed, Feb 28, 2007 4:19:31am
146 Daisy  Wed, Feb 28, 2007 4:29:52am

"Rabbi Chaim Seidler-Feller, director of U.C.L.A. Hillel, called the documentary propaganda and said it was “a way to transfer the Middle East conflict to the campus, to promote hostility.”

One Irrationalist defending 567 gazillion other Irrationalists.
And he's a woman hater/beater (a dedicated minority deserving of protection from the majority).

The NYTimes chose him to demonstrate their brand of critical thinking. Figures.

147 Daisy  Wed, Feb 28, 2007 4:48:06am

#139 American Jewess,

"I guess this sort of thing has been going on for a long time."

Self-contempt projected onto others who belong to your group? It's been around forever .. and no group is exempt. I think it just hurts more when it's a member of your own immediate group - and particularly so when your group concerns itself deeply w/moral issues, as thoughtful Jews tend to do.

Of course, this self-hater hurts more than himself and his fellow Jews - he's inviting the enemy to bring his bombs into the living room of America (with the help of the NYTimes) when he is given this sort of social platform the Times gladly supplies. The Times and the stupidity (and evil it promotes) is still endowed w/credibility by too many morally complacent people.

At the same time, I understand any urge you may have to disassociate yourself from this fool .. and to disabuse anyone who may think this jerk represents what Judaism is about. Speaking only for myself, please don't worry .. I recognize his type; he's a self-loathing humbug and would be one despite his religion. This sort of atrocious and irrational behavior generates from other sources best brought to the hands of a real Rabbi, Psychiatrist (or exorcist?:) for good counsel .

148 joem  Wed, Feb 28, 2007 6:01:41am

FWIW, I happen to know Rabbi Seidler-Feller, being related to him through marriage. I strongly disagree with his politics, but he is a very bright (perhaps brilliant) and educated scholar. I was quite surprised when I read about his out-of-character altercation with Rachel Neuwirth; though I can understand how someone who lost relatives in the Holocaust would be more than a little upset at being called a "kapo", violence - especially towards a woman - is not something I would have expected of him. FWIW, I was impressed by his apparently sincere contrition, as shown in the public letter of apology that was published last month. IIRC, part of the original settlement also included his taking anger-management classes.

The Times also quotes another leftist campus rabbi we can probably all disagree with:

“The question about radical Islam and how do we fight it is unproductive,” said Yehuda Sarna, the New York University rabbi on the panel. “The question is how to break down the stereotypes facing the two religions.”

BTW, did anyone else find it odd that the president of Stony Brook’s Muslim Students’ Association is named "Adam Osman".

149 Daisy  Wed, Feb 28, 2007 8:59:32am

#148 joem,

How do you handle Thanksgiving get-togethers?

150 joem  Wed, Feb 28, 2007 9:53:49am

Daisy, LOL!

Since they live in LA and we're on the East coast, it's not much of an issue. I haven't actually seen him in a few years. But I definitely would not talk politics with him..

151 MattyK  Wed, Feb 28, 2007 4:24:34pm

Joem - It is my understanding that the letter was part of his out-of-court settlement of Neuwirth's lawsuit, so he was in a sense coerced into writing it. That apology very well may have been sincere, but the letter's content is not valid evidence of sincerity, as it was not written voluntarily.

152 Eurosabra  Wed, Feb 28, 2007 5:01:02pm

As a UCLA alum still active on campus, I have also seen Chaim Seidler-Feller go head to head against Edward Said, questioning his total of 800,000 Palestinian refugees expelled in 1948, and daring him to sign a joint statement of mutual Israeli-Palestinian recognition. The good professor Said refused. Chaim's anger management when called a Kapo to his face may not be so great, but do NOT label him an anti-Zionist.

BTW, I attended the event with Nusseibeh and Ayalon and do not understand why the simple rejoinder that Nusseibeh had been investigated by the Shabak and found of no interest would not have sufficed to defuse/refute the accusation of "Kapo."


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