Charles is right. Ron Paul is NUTZ and that answer made me fume. Where did that asshat come from?

smack down LGF style.

Bravo!

Charles, until you mentioned Ron Paul's supporters skewing the poll results yesterday, I had not heard about him till that time!

And while we're on the subject who are his supporters? It's a joke, right?

If they aren't 'cheating' then what's wrong? Scare quotes Charles? If they can get more people to vote then more people are voting.

And you are right, internet polls are just play anyway so whats the big deal?

Feh.

Let's hope the Republicans are smart enough to stop inviting him to future debates. He's an unelectable embarrassment. The Dems kept Jesse Jackson and all Sharpton in their debates far too long last time. They were just a distraction from the "real" candidates.
Dump Ron Paul now!

I’d very seriously consider removing him anyway, because I found his remarks last night about 9/11 insulting and dangerous, and highly offensive.

Hey, it's YOUR world, man, and we're all just visitors. If you didn't do what you do so well, we wouldn't keep coming back.
Keep speaking power to 'truth'!

Harry Tuttle: what's wrong? Simple -- it's a dishonest tactic intended to build a false impression.

Our new Ron Paul trolls are going to be really bummed.

He's the Dennis Kucinich of the GOP.

the amazing thing to me is how much the moonbat tinfoil hat jobs have to hate bush in order to support a john bircher. who would have thought?

/not that i have anything against birchers, i just find it strange

Sic 'em, Stinky.

If Ron Paul were president, what would Yosemite look like? Orlando.

Just take the kook off the list and it's done.

The Ron Paul nuts can go back to smokin their weed.

It says something about a candidate when his supporters are spamming polls.

I cna't spell Kucinach rhymes with spinach.

I hate to say it Charles, but this argument sounds just like the reasoning that the Diggbats have for burying LGF. Come on, did you really expect any measure of accuracy with an Internet poll? Although, you are 100% right that the dude is nuts.

#14 incrementandexcrement

If Ron Paul were president, what would Yosemite look like? Orlando.

Having just seen the Ansel Adams exhibit at the DIA, the true horror of that statement is apPAULing...

Whether due to the spamming or his despicable comments last night, this is a smart move.

Take out Ron and put in Fred.

UPDATE: Dishonest tactics aiming to create false impressions are widely considered untruthful, unprincipled, lying, taqiyyah and distorted.

NOT the actions of someone Americans want for President.

I guess the Republicans have a "truther" or two too.

Just take Paul off of the next poll, Charles.

And while you're at it, take two or three of the others off also.

It's our fault.

. Paul who?

Even if they weren’t doing this pathetic maneuver to artificially pump up Paul’s support, I’d very seriously consider removing him anyway, because I found his remarks last night about 9/11 insulting and dangerous, and highly offensive.

It was highly offensive, and sadly he's not alone in blaming America first. I just never thought I'd hear it in a Republican debate.

Paleo Swarm as Israel hits back: photo here

#12 blutonazi

I don't find it strange at all.

The Loony Left and the Loony Right have far more in common with each other, than either one of them would like to admit.

The Left surely adores Ron Paul because of his "America caused 9/11" remarks.

#10 Killgore Trout

Our new Ron Paul trolls are going to be really bummed

I wonder if there has been some sort of organized effort to get them here? I worry about a third party effort on his behalf, though. What is Ralph Nader up to lately?

Important News - Australians paying up to $50 for a cup of coffee made from beans plucked from cat shit.

Kopi Luwak, made in neighboring Indonesia from coffee beans excreted by native civet cats, is reputedly the world's rarest and most expensive coffee, painstakingly extracted by hand from the animals' forest droppings.

When roasted, the resulting beans sell for around $1,000 a kilogram ($450 a pound) and brew into a earthy, syrupy, coffee acknowledged by connoisseurs as one of the world's finest.

Despite the closeness of the coffee's home on the islands of Sumatra, Java and Sulawesi, Australia's first civet cat brew has only just gone on sale in Queensland state, selling for $50 a cup at the Heritage Tea Rooms, west of Townsville.

I think Charles was hoping for honest opinions about who did the best last night - not blind faith voting.

I agree with Charles on both counts.
1) They were warned. They didn't stop.
2) Ron Paul is a dangerous idiot. Can you imagine this guy in the White House? Don't it is appalling. "Oh please nuke us Mr. Dinnerjacket. We asked for it. We deserved it and we won't retaliate."

-Shudder-

I can't vote, being Canadian, but so far my ex-pat husband says Rudy has his vote just for his stance on 9-11 and that Saudi Prince.

A confession..I voted for Ron Paul when he ran for president in 1988..I was a member of the LP and a monthly donor until I left the party in '04 and voted , proudly, for George W. Bush..I left the LP BECAUSE they didn't support the war in Iraq..and after watching last night's debate I have to say

I AM DEEPLY ASHAMED THAT I VOTED FOR THIS IDIOT!

FORGIVE ME LGFers

Oh yeah, Ron Paul is a clown.

They spammed the text message vote on FOX last night too.

Paul's comments last night on 9/11 were jaw-droppers...Thanks Rudy for standing up for America!

The shame of it is that Paul's opinions on domestic policy are absolutely brilliant and spot-on. Paul's problem is that he wants to pretend that 9/11 never happened. But it did, America is now at war, and until that war is won a military isolationist foreign policy is simply not feasible.

EC Marm: there definitely IS an organized effort to get Paul's supporters to vote here.

Thank you, Charles. It's inspiring to see someone acting on priniciples, and you are my icon in this regard.

Charles can you replace him with Ru Paul? They deserve it.

#34 galtg

I forgive you for your actions of '88.

I voted for Clinton twice.

Good for you Charles! This guy is nuts, his supporters are nuts, and they spam talk radio, the internet and anything else they can get their hands on. He had no business being there last night and is just taking up space. Anyone who goes on the Alex Jones Show should be taken with a grain of salt. I like when Chris Wallace asked him if he was running for the nomination of the wrong party.

Not that I disagree on removing the name, as I am still fuming mad at his statement, I should point out that if the other campaigns were as diligent in keeping up with blogs and spreading the word, than it would not skew the results at all.
The thing that worries me is that I would not vote FOR any of them.

#30 EC Marm
I think it's a coordinated effort. The two on the previous thread, although registered a while ago, have no more that 100 comments between them.
I suspect we'll be seeing more newbies shilling for this nut in the future.

Paleo Swarm as Israel hits back

Thank you. That made my day.

From Instapundit

So who won the Republican debate?

[Link: poll.pollcode.com...]

Why Fred Thompson, of course. What?

Wow.

I've been banned from Media Matters, Daily Kos, and Democrat Underground, mostly for pointing out errors/contradictions in the logic of the groupthinkers.

I've been reading LGF for maybe 2 years now, and found the comments and community refreshing, mainly because there was always a sense of open-mindedness, consistent humor, and a much greater level of truth.

But the groupthink insanity of removing a nominee from a dumb online poll because he doesn't agree with your exact brand of GOP™ is every bit as disgusting and creepy as the goose steppers at DK, MMFA, and DU.

LGF, you are an embarrassment to the Republic.

And I'll be banning myself, thanks.

#39 Charles
I meant organized effort to register on lgf?

/btw: I was able to vote when I was not logged in. I thought voting was only for registered & logged in lgfers?

What a fuck wad. I could notr believe that answer. He's wasting his money if he doesn't drop out right now. I wonder how his constituents feel about him today?

Giuliani Up, McCain Up, Romney Down, and Ron Paul Out — Way Out

LOL

Pathetoric poppycock from pimply petardos.

How quaint.

WHERE IS MY GIPPER?

It's difficult debating any kind of ideologue, because their views are constrained only by ideology.

That's why I can't get behind Paul as a candidate, even though I'm a Libertarian. He can't think outside of his Libertarian box, so his opinions on some things are sometimes stupid, and sometimes very wrong and misguided.

One thing I learned while a Vol Firefighter was:
if you don't have a recognized chain of command and that command does not take action, you have nothing. Nothing.
Take the action Captain, we recognize a chain of command.

"I’m not going to let it slide, or to let our poll be misused by supporters of a man who, in my opinion, is nuts."

Rofl! Ain't that succinct and absolutely right on target. Thanks CJ!

If anyone thinks that an Anti-Republican like Ron Paul is going to have any chance at the primary race, you are deeply mistaken. Ron Paul can't even beat John McCain as the Anti-Republican protagonist.

#31 Ringo the Gringo

Somehow, I'm reminded of the old Cheech & Chong schtick in which it was necessary to follow the dog around for two weeks 'cause, "the little [so-and-so] ate my stash, man."

Maybe that's what the Ron Paul supporters have been smoking(?).

/really stretching to get back on-topic

Thank you Charles.

Isn't the seat of Ron Paul's district Lake Jackson, between Houston and Freeport? What's wrong with voters down there? Are they drinking water directly out of the Brazos?

#34 galtg
I forgive you too. I used to be a Democrat. But I did vote for Rudy 3 times for Mayor.

Speaking of not accurate (though OT)-

Lies and the lying translators who... nevermind

#49 catholic anarchist
Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

#41 PK

Spew alert!

Ron Paul is the Republicans' Mike Gravel.

His "what did we do to make them hate us?" attitude strikes a resonant chord with John Birchers and neoNazis.

ALL THEIR BONG ARE BELONG TO US!
~ The Ganjahadeen

#49 Catholic Anarchist

Why, you're very welcome!

Feminist, socialist, devout Muslim: woman who has thrown Denmark into turmoil

She is a Palestinian and a devout Muslim who insists on wearing a headscarf, who refuses, on religious grounds, to shake hands with males, and who is bidding fair to be the first Muslim woman ever to enter the Folketing, the Danish parliament in Copenhagen.

Ms Abdol-Hamid is unfazed. "I see more Islam here in Denmark than in Iran or in other places in the Middle East," she says. "It's easier to be a Muslim in Denmark than in Saudi Arabia. I don't feel a stranger here. I'm interested in politics. I want to talk about this society, about political issues. But I'm not in politics because I'm a Muslim."

Let's hope the Republicans are smart enough to stop inviting him to future debates. He's an unelectable embarrassment.

If he continues to make with the Rosie-style BS, he could be useful. Question to the real candidates: how would you reply to the following spew? Answer: just as I do to Comrade Ron over here. Rudy did OK.

Good Morning All,

I submit this for your consideration. It is not in the least off topic, as I consider JOHN BOLTON a very real "dark horse" candidate.

I believe that I would vote for him over Giuliani, and that's saying a great deal.

Here is an article proving how much of a heads up, right thinking realist he is:

We must attack Iran before it gets the bomb

And a courageous, no nonsense, straight talker to boot!

As I said, he'd get my vote.

I posted this on the D/T, but it's worth posting again, so that folks are more liable to go to the link and read the article.

Besides, I sort of like to be redundant, redundant, redundant, re...

#49 catholic anarchist

As a Catholic, I say, "get lost".

Ron Paul is a kook, and his supporters are kooks.

I don't have a problem with Charles removing Paul from the polls. Ron Paul isn't going to get the nomination; he's not even a serious contender. Most of his support comes from the anti-war left. His limited support from the "right" comes from the let's be isolationists and return to the gold standard crowd. We can't and won't turn back the clock to 1787.

9 Charles

But politics is full of dishonest tactics designed to make a false impression, that's almost the definition of politics.

I would not be suprised to find similar efforts going on, on behalf of the other candidates, just not visible yet.

Someone honest is rare, once a generation if that.

Best you can do is shine a light.

#29 Talkin Camel:

"The Loony Left and the Loony Right have far more in common with each other, than either one of them would like to admit. "

Very true. I personally keep them straight with this code:

Loony Right: Fascists, one Master. Secret Police state.
Loony Left: Communists, serveral Masters. Secret Police state.

Hope that helps.

Are the polls open to those who aren't registered members? If so, then how about limiting it in that way?

I was curious last night, that even though about 8% of the tally was for Ron Paul, there was nearly zero support for him in the discussion (I searched the thread for "Ron Paul", and found virtually no support, certainly none worthy of "who was best").

From the Department of Who Cares: [Link: www.jpost.com...]

The US doesn't have more important things to worry about? Feh.

Put a fork in Ron Paul - he demonstrated himself to be a kook last night.

Ron Paul's theory that American foreign policy caused 9/11 ranks him in the Top Ten List of American DumbAsses.

Anyone who continues to support this guy after last night is a DumbAss Groupie.

Did the same guys spam the Fox poll?

catholic anarchist wrote:

But the groupthink insanity of removing a nominee from a dumb online poll because he doesn't agree with your exact brand of GOP™ is every bit as disgusting and creepy as the goose steppers at DK, MMFA, and DU.

And of course, that's not what I said. He's removed because his supporters are using our poll dishonestly, to make it appear as if he has more support than he really does.

And I'll be banning myself, thanks.

I'll try to get over the loss.

Another fooking troll self detonates, saving Charles the effort.

Funny how much time leftists have to CHEAT.

There's only one thing left for libertarians to do:

Draft Neal Boortz.

Booyah!

Ron Paul does have his supporters around here for his rock-ribbed constitutionalism.

But his debate shows that that approach of arch-ultra-constitutionalism can be a millstone around the neck of a taking forceful and wholly necessary measures against foreign and domestic enemies in times of national crisis or peril.

Ron Paul's approach would hamstring our country because it would negate the critical value of chief-executive leadership options that MUST be on the table for our president when America faces a global threat.

IMO We frankly must be pragmatic protectors of our state and its sovereign independence and act boldly and creatively to preserve America's security and prosperity when they are under threat.

If national leadership were 110% about adherence to the constitution, this country would be far too doctrine-bound and would be stunted and vulnerable as a result.

Ron Paul has his place in the national debate in reminding Americans of their rights and liberties as citizens. But he has no business being anywhere NEAR a decision-making capacity in the war against islamist fascism.

When 21st century dirty pool is initiated against us by islamist fanatics, there comes a time when we have to shut the book on Jefferson and Adams and put it on the side table, and do what we must to defend our lives and our country.

67 fjordman

Ms Abdol-Hamid is unfazed. "I see more Islam here in Denmark than in Iran or in other places in the Middle East," she says. "It's easier to be a Muslim WOMAN in Denmark than in Saudi Arabia. I don't feel a stranger here. I'm interested in politics. I want to talk about this society, about political issues. But I'm not in politics because I'm a Muslim."

There, just a little tweak.

#65 BabbaZee!

LMAO! Almost blew Coca-Cola onto my monitor!

I can't believe you guys...

Bush invaded iraq and has caused untold chaos and bloodshed and mayhem

thousands of our troops are dead, tens of thousands have horrific injuries.

But Bush get's a pass. And Ron Paul get's hounded for a poorly worded warning about the inevitable effects of an interventionist/internationalist policy.

I'll admit that he is a tad clueless about islam, and his narrative of history is a little off. Give him some leeway. However, in his judgement we would not have invaded iraq and that's good enough for me. His judgement is sound where it counts.

Bush, however, is the biggest moron ever. In our moment of weakness he threw us into this war and we have paid dearly for it. I got taken in by his 'good intentions' and I was fooled, but I won't be fooled again.

I actually want him to be put on trial and impeached... my god... I have BDS... I'm furious... I can't believe it...

What was His comments ?

#69 M. Bensson-Levi

I'd like to see a remake of the movie Walking Tall, starring John Bolton.

Callie Kofi Annan: You got a warrant?
Buford Bolton: Yeah, I keep it in my shoe!

(kicks down door to Kofi's office)

Anyone know how to turn off Vibrant In-Text Advertising?

36 NoSubmission

Yep. He came in SECOND!

#31 Ringo:

Australians paying up to $50 for a cup of coffee made from beans plucked from cat shit.

Not quite as bad as you make it sound. In truth, the beans are not extracted from cat shit, but from weasel... oh my, I think I've got to go gag!

49 catholic anarchist

But the groupthink insanity of removing a nominee from a dumb online poll because he doesn't agree with your exact brand of GOP™ is every bit as disgusting and creepy as the goose steppers at DK, MMFA, and DU.

Funny how a group of people oppossed to islamofascism would all think similarly on a candidate who blamed this country for 9/11. To think that Charles' decision to remove him from future polls has to do with "groupthink" shows your ignorance.

LGF, you are an embarrassment to the Republic.

M'kay...not as much as Ron Paul, but m'kay.

And I'll be banning myself, thanks.

No- thank you! Don't let the door hit ya!

#87 humanity

What was His comments ?

Did Jesus comment here?

#49 catholic anarchist
Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

About what I was thinking.

90 MandyManners
I got wise when I saw the lead Ron Paul had on the screen. Hannity was embarrassed.

I'll try to get over the loss.

Charles, rotf...

Ohhhhhhhh Woe betide the LGFers and our horrible truthiness, wailing and gnashing of teeth to commence instamatically!

A message to the Ron Paul Libertarians (capital L).

If you can keep your head
while all about you
are losing theirs
and blaming it on you.

I have a pretty much libertarian (small l)outlook myself towards government, but you guys are losing your heads.

The world is in pretty tough shape and I personally doubt that there is anything that can be done to avoid the pain to come. Your screeching that you have an answer to intractable problems and that everything would just be fine if we just did things your way is, not to put to fine a line on it, nuts.

IMO, that's pretty much what underlies most of the "progressive" claptrap also.

The more strident and adamant you become proclaiming you have the answer, the more intelligent people are going to ignore you. I visit the Lew Rockwell site every day and several years ago, used to find some thoughtful, intelligent ideas, rarely any more.

You have drunk too much koolaid. Give it a rest.

#34 agltg

We forgive you.

But don't let it happen again. ;-)

#73 Wvobian

Yes, it does! Many thanks.

(Myself, I think both Nazism and Communism are noxious offshoots of the Eugenics movement and the many creepy occultist/Lifting up mankind movements from the latter 19th Century---but that's too big a top to go into here.)

83 Block

Your last paragraph is very true IMHO

#49 catholic anarchist
Buh-bye.

67 Fjordman

But I'm not in politics because I'm a Muslim."

Uh, yeah right.

/s

#85 SlartyBartfast
ahaha.. sorry!

The great & wise Bernard Lewis has a new essay at the Opinion Journal,
Was Osama Right?
Islamists always believed the U.S. was weak. Recent political trends won't change their view.

BY BERNARD LEWIS

During the Cold War, two things came to be known and generally recognized in the Middle East concerning the two rival superpowers. If you did anything to annoy the Russians, punishment would be swift and dire. If you said or did anything against the Americans, not only would there be no punishment; there might even be some possibility of reward, as the usual anxious procession of diplomats and politicians, journalists and scholars and miscellaneous others came with their usual pleading inquiries: "What have we done to offend you? What can we do to put it right?"

...Stage One of the jihad was to drive the infidels from the lands of Islam; Stage Two--to bring the war into the enemy camp, and the attacks of 9/11 were clearly intended to be the opening salvo of this stage. The response to 9/11, so completely out of accord with previous American practice, came as a shock, and it is noteworthy that there has been no successful attack on American soil since then. The U.S. actions in Afghanistan and in Iraq indicated that there had been a major change in the U.S., and that some revision of their assessment, and of the policies based on that assessment, was necessary.

More recent developments, and notably the public discourse inside the U.S., are persuading increasing numbers of Islamist radicals that their first assessment was correct after all, and that they need only to press a little harder to achieve final victory. It is not yet clear whether they are right or wrong in this view. If they are right, the consequences--both for Islam and for America--will be deep, wide and lasting.

RTWT!

I have mentioned this before, but the distance from the far left and far right is not linear, it should be thought of as more of a horse-shoe shaped curve, they almost meet in the middle but for a few micrometers at times. This guy is proof of that methinks.

#105 tfk

Ron Paul,he could chair a truther convention, and have Rosie O'donald as his bouncer.

Visualizng that is seriously creeping me out.

Good morning LGF friends!

I think Charles should take a look at limiting the poll voters to actual registered LGF bloggers.

I don't know about dropping Paul from the voting (altho personally I'd like to drop-kick him to the Aleutians), as there are some LGF'ers here who do support him. (hey - we're a diverse group)

:)

#49 Catholic Anarchist

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

(Oops, I just used the word "ass" in my first two comments of the day. I better get my Roget's Thesaurus and bring some sagicity to my elucidations.)

#86 Block

1) The vote in Congress was nearly unanimous in favor of the Iraq war. And so, it's not Bush's war, it's our war.

2) People die in war, including our own. That's the way war works. If you can't deal with that, then you're a pacifist. Don't pretend that you're against THIS war, when you're really against ALL war.

3) Re: "Ron Paul's ... poorly worded warning", Guliani gave him an opportunity to clarify what he meant, and he didn't change anything.

Yawn

#49 catholic anarchist

But the groupthink insanity of removing a nominee from a dumb online poll because he doesn't agree with your exact brand of GOP™ is every bit as disgusting and creepy as the goose steppers at DK, MMFA, and DU.

Obviously you don't get it. Charles warned them to stop spamming the poll and they went ahead and did it anyway, and that's the reason Charles has given for removing Paul from the poll.

That many of us think Paul is nutz is beside the main point of spamming.

And if you were here last night you would have witnessed not any "disgusting or creepy" behavior but a lively debate in which Paul supporters were listened to and argued against in a very civil manner.

BUT you would rather ban yourself than participate in reasoned debate, which is fine and I'm sure you're already off in the corner with your thumb in your mouth thinking what a bunch of meanies we are at LGF.

#86 Block(head)

You are a complete nut.

Who the hell is Ron Paul and is his real name. Ron Paul sounds like the stage nake of a transvestite singer.

OT
Sudanese ex slave talks about Muslim slavery. Black MSM goes silent even tho system is race-based.
[Link: www.wnd.com...]

#86 Block

Oh, I can believe it. You sound pretty typical of those who believe who blame all the problems in the world today on Geroge Bush (not radical Islam, not stupid liberal policies or rampant multiculturalism).

It's hard to believe that a bunch of enemies really do want to kill us, and hate us for our way of life. Much easier to blame Bush and ourselves because, really, it's a lot less scary than facing up to what's really going on. . .

#100 TalkinCamel

(Myself, I think both Nazism and Communism are noxious offshoots of the Eugenics movement and the many creepy occultist/Lifting up mankind movements from the latter 19th Century---but that's too big a top to go into here.)

THAT would be a great thread.

111 mama winger

Did you check out that Cahill book about John XXIII yet? I'm re-reading my copy now I've mentioned it to you.

Good morning too, and I am off to work.

#79 Charles:

We'll miss him too....NOT.

Nobody messes with the blog, for they too shall be thwarted! Nice move Charles.

Question: If you know that a poll is being spammed, is there a quick, maybe programmable way to 'auto-correct' results, and of course SHOW THE FUDGE PERCENTAGE? It would be awesome to see who can generate the most cheaters! :>D

Kossacks hit bottom and dig. Hope this is not a repost but WTF. BOTW yesterday pointed out an exchange where a Lieberman basher called for him to be gassed. The issue they had with their fellow Kossack was the they did said so publically!

Much better to keep the JOOO hating out of sight....

Yay, tfk! :)

86 Block

Just in case you missed Skippy earlier today. ...

I wasn't online last night, nor did I see the debate, so this is the first I've heard of this.

I'm with Charles and Rudy Giuliani: Ron Paul is insane. He's wrong.

About the only good thing I can say is, at least he's up-front with it.

#80 Peacekeeper ~ if only they all would.

Seeya!

#111 mama winger
Now that might be interesting. Make a fun experiment to compare an open poll with a registered lGFer poll.

YNET has pretty pictures of blasted Hamasniks.

Warning - There's also some ugly images of crying guys holding the dead guys hands and kissing them. Eeyew!

And why are they crying? Their dead buddies are supposed to dancing with their 79 virgins now so why the tears?

#49 catholic anarchist:

I've been banned from Media Matters, Daily Kos, and Democrat Underground, mostly for pointing out errors/contradictions in the logic of the groupthinkers.

Oh, spare us, Pathetic Pseudo-Expert. Your own nick is a contradiction.

Don't let the door hit ya where the dog shoulda bit ya the good Lord split ya.

#120 Ojoe

I am going to the library this very afternoon. I have a LONG list, and that one is on it!

Thanks - and have a wonderful day!

I actually want him to be put on trial and impeached... my god... I have BDS... I'm furious... I can't believe it...

It's like nodroG on truth serum.

#49

After contributing a rich 8 posts you decide to ban yourself ?

Talk about constipation...

I never pay attention to internet "polls." They mean nothing.

#123 (referring to the last thread, where he advised such.... :)

#128 Judith

Which picture? Or is it the video?

#129 victor yugo

Your own nick is a contradiction.

Indeed. The person in question is either non-Catholic or non-fire thrower. Very hard to be both.

Put me down as another former LP member who bolted the party after 9/11. Not so young, but pretty stupid, I guess. At least there was still a chance to get smarter. On 9/12 I wanted to bomb our enemies till they glowed, and then shoot 'em in the dark. Still do. The LP holds tightly to the holy doctrine of non-involvement in all things military. Screw 'em. As for Paul, keep him in or leave him out, as you wish, Charles. He'll still be nothing more than a pimple on a buttock of a footnote to an appendix. As a human being, he is nothing.

Sorry-video.

#131 EC Marm

It's like nodroG on truth serum.

LOL! That made me chuckle!

Ward and other forgivers..I thank you ..and no..it won't happen again

Fred in '08!

The quality of trolls lately make me nostalgic for nodroG.

/not really

#140 galtg

Go Fred go!

#86 Block(head)

If you look at what's actually happened in Iraq, it is very clear the US is winning. It's only back in the US, thanks to the anti-American media, the Dimmicrats, & idiots like you, that the US appears to be losing.

All right, some of you posters used the line to #49 "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out" before I did. Just want you to know that I'm slow at typing and I do read most of the postings before I post but this thread is fast on fire. I apologize for repeating what's already been said.

And to #49 Catholic Anarchist: "What, you're still here? I thought you were going to go home and not play with us anymore. Now, git. And don't let the door..."

#124 Mandy

A day without Skippy is like a day without sunshine.

As the door hits me in the ass...

From Herr Charles, up above:

"Even if they weren’t doing this pathetic maneuver to artificially pump up Paul’s support, I’d very seriously consider removing him anyway, because I found his remarks last night about 9/11 insulting and dangerous, and highly offensive."

In other words, when I said

"But the groupthink insanity of removing a nominee from a dumb online poll because he doesn't agree with your exact brand of GOP™ is every bit as disgusting and creepy as the goose steppers at DK, MMFA, and DU."

I was referring to, again (for you memory-hole livers)

Herr Charles, up above:

"Even if they weren’t doing this pathetic maneuver to artificially pump up Paul’s support, I’d very seriously consider removing him anyway, because I found his remarks last night about 9/11 insulting and dangerous, and highly offensive."

So, I am completely correct, and you still think that Saddam had WMD.

Enjoy the circle jerk!

#100 TalkinKamel

Repeating my request from the dead thread: is anyone familiar with Jack T. Chick? If so, any opinions? Thanks.

catholic anarchist:

Would you just GO AWAY already, like you said you would?

I'm thinking about taking Ron Paul's citizenship from the Republic of Texas away from him. "spit*!

#49 catholic anarchist

What a child.

Stand for something anarchist!

#88 Ward Cleaver

Hi.

Kofi Annan, missed his true calling, which is that of a crash dummy.

That Kofi Annan, still breathes(along with others too numerous to catalog) is proof positive that there is no Justice in this world.

#91 amphibian

In South America, it's rats....

#86 Block 5/16/2007 9:13:42 am PDT

I can't believe you guys...

Bush invaded iraq and has caused untold chaos and bloodshed and mayhem

thousands of our troops are dead, tens of thousands have horrific injuries.

But Bush get's a pass. And Ron Paul get's hounded for a poorly worded warning about the inevitable effects of an interventionist/internationalist policy.

I'll admit that he is a tad clueless about islam, and his narrative of history is a little off. Give him some leeway. However, in his judgement we would not have invaded iraq and that's good enough for me. His judgement is sound where it counts.

Bush, however, is the biggest moron ever. In our moment of weakness he threw us into this war and we have paid dearly for it. I got taken in by his 'good intentions' and I was fooled, but I won't be fooled again.

I actually want him to be put on trial and impeached... my god... I have BDS... I'm furious... I can't believe it...

You're not the brightest of trolls, are you?

huh?

#146 catholic anarchist

Don't go away mad, just go away.

146 catholic anarchist

Charles said

I’d very seriously consider removing him anyway, because I found his remarks last night about 9/11 insulting and dangerous, and highly offensive."

considering isn't the same as removing. You were wrong.

From Herr Charles

Oh fuck off.

Good for you, Charles. Ron Paul should be exposed for axactly what he is: an anarchist and moral relativist. He is arguably worse than a Truther. Rather than claim that "Bush knew/911 was an inside job", he acknowledges that it was a jihadist attack, but says that we deserved it, because we "interfere" with other "sovereign" nations by having bases there and influencing their politics with covert operations.

These are terrorist, outlaw nations! They have no legitimate claim to sovereignty! You can't treat your citizens as partial slaves and then demand that other countries respect your right to do so. We have every right to put our military wherever we need to in outlaw nations for the purpose of defending this country. And we have the same right to affect their politics when it is done in the cause of protecting America.

Ron Paul and the Libertarian Party literally believe that America cannot retaliate militarily until an enemy has touched American soil. Hostile intent, motivation, and open preparation for destroying America mean nothing to these idiots. They would sit on their hands and apologize to Iran until we got nuked, and based on that naked suicidal cowardice, I don't want to or need to know how they would actually retaliate.

They are worthless and dangerous, and should be rejected for just what they are.

ANARCHIST

Herr Charles

,

You just proved our point about you. Gezzz

Watching FoxNews this morning, it was appartnt the Paul Patrol was spamming their poll too.

isolationism is lunacy

at what point do you as a nation decide to get involved?

when the enemy is in Asia?
when they land on the West coast?

do you allow allies to be swallowed by our enemies?

oh, that's right, the idiots isolationists dont want allies.

in World War 2 that would have meant the US against the Japanese and Germans alone, with them controlling the rest of the world.

#154 zulubaby

Hey, where you been?

{ zulubaby }

Ron Paul?

Isn't he the guy that did those pocket fisherman commercials 30 years ago?

Ahem-

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/brian_whitaker /2007/05/arabic_under_fire.html

The child says: "I'm going to draw a picture."

Memri's translation ignores this remark and instead quotes the child (wrongly) as saying: "I'll shoot."

Pressed further by the mouse - "What are we going to do?" - the girl replies in Arabic: "Bidna nqawim." The normal translation of this would be "We're going to [or want to] resist" but Memri's translation puts a more aggressive spin on it: "We want to fight."

The mouse continues: "What then?"

According to Memri, the child replies: "We will annihilate the Jews."

The sound quality on the clip is not very good, but I have listened to it several times (as have a number of native Arabic speakers) and we can hear no word that might correspond to "annihilate".

What the girl seems to say is: "Bitokhoona al-yahood" - "The Jews will shoot us" or "The Jews are shooting us."

#156 Ward Cleaver
He's not going away, he just moved down to the previous thread. I think he's representing his candidate quite well.

#7 Peacekeeper

No, in the other thread, someone associated Paul as the 'modern' LaRouche. That's far more accurate than comparing this malignant dwarf to Kucininch or McKinney.

I also refer to his cult of followers as 'Paulians' - they remind me of the same rabid trolls that embraced LaRouche or the Raelian order.

Stinky needs to adjust the pressure valve on the door. It's closing much too slowly...

#159 zulubaby

Bwahahahahaha!

Here is a site that gives each of the candidate's position on many issues.

/scroll down just past the USA map, on right.

OT:

Here is the full transcript and audio file of Magdi Allam's very touching speech at the American Jewish Committee:

[Link: ajcblog.org...]

Looks like Ron "Dolt" Paul is getting about a voter per minute in the Pre-Debate Poll thread down below....

#143 Kenneth
Thanks yet again. You are always a pick me up, and I appreciate it.

Got to go to the Dr. man, later.

#171 gettinby

Thanks!

146 catholic anarchist

I thought you were leaving, Liar.

So, I am completely correct, and you still think that Saddam had WMD.

Ah- now we see you "logic", troll.

Enjoy the circle jerk!

I'm sure you will be, you've been practicing daily, no?

Well...it's your blog Charles, but....I'm a bit surprised that you haven't backed up the claim with a link.

Oh, and speaking of Gaza, my favorite headline of the day, so far:

Palestinians rally to end fighting, 8 wounded

That's right. They took to the street demanding an end to the fighting and were promptly caught in the crossfire. Meanwhile there is an expectation that Hamas will cut loose with some of the longer range missiles they are known to have imported.

#165 BIG

Nope, that was Ron Popiel.

/set it, and FORGET IT!

146 catholic anarchist

Read NiceLass's #114 to you. And THINK about it, every word of it, before you once again blast off on another paint-with-a-broad-brush impulsive retort.

#146 CA:

Of course Saddam had WMD, he used it in 1991, killing thousands unmercifully. He was rebuilding his nuclear capability with proceeds from the UN Oil for Food program.

Get a clue, Saddam had to go for everyone's sake, and W did it with Democrats, allies, and world media sabotaging him and our military every step of the way. The world isn't a simple place moron.

I'm not religeous, but thank GOD Gore and Kerry were not permitted to steal the elections.

#178 ChenZhen

Charles would, but I don't think he wants to give them them the click counts.

It'd be like posting a link to Stormfront.

Ward Cleaver, I have no patience. LOL.

oT
Posted above about slavery in the Sudan,here is one about slavery in America. It neglects to tell us the Religion of the master , you guess.
it it comment worthy that a Muslim turned the slaveholders in to the police.
[Link: player.clipsyndicate.com...]

I also was a Libertarian with a capital "L". Now I'm a small "l".

I stopped giving money to them after the 2004 election when I found out that the Calif. Senate candidate, Judge Jim Gray, was a raving antisemitic creep. Since I'm an anti-antisemite I could no longer support them. (Hating Jews is not a libertarian position).

For the libertarians the only purpose of government is to protect us. A military response to dictators and al-qaeda is certainly justified.

I'm so sad the Libertarians have strayed so far from their principles. Republicans are so often political shills and the party of stupid -- Democrats are the the party of evil. Now I have no where to go.

#146 catholic anarchist

Just for you, I'll copy and paste exactly what Charles said.

I’m going to be removing Ron Paul’s name from any further LGF straw polls, because his supporters are deliberately spamming our polls

I'm doing this for you in the hopes that it might sink into your thick skull.

It's pretty specific, no long words, not complicated. Maybe you'll get it.

Well, at any rate, enjoy sucking your thumb over in the corner of self-banishment.

here's the scary thing: they might do in this the actual primary too. GOP needs to drop him ASAP

Ron Paul's supporters span online polls in order to try to create a bandwagon effect.

Ron Paul's comment about 9/11 shows him to be the Ward Churchill of the contenders. The best thing to do concerning his candidacy, which gives aid and comfort to the jihadist enemy, is to bury it.

There are a number of facts that seem to be conveniently forgotten about the Iraq war.
Iraq under Hussein invaded a neighboring country and nearly the entire World fought a war that defeated him.
There were conditions for a surrender of hostilities and these were agreed to by both parties.
Hussein reneged on almost every point of the surrender. No fly zone, oil for food, reparations for Kuwait, weapons inspections etc, etc.
For years a defeated dictator thumbed his nose at the coalition that won a just war.
Very few times in history has a country lost a war and then ignored every aspect of its surrender.
Then nearly 10 years later, with Sadaam shooting missiles at our aircraft everyday and most of the world payed off, one country stands tall and says "you lost, now abide by your surrender or face renewed hostilities".
I think GWB is a great man for following through. I fear a world which has no consequences and bullies can get away with anything.
We lost as many men in a week in WWII as we have in the years in Iraq. They were all brave men they all keep us free.

178 ChenZhen

You need a link to show spamming? Here you go.

146

I knew he'd be back!

The point of this LGF poll was for fellow LGFers to see where we are all at: "Hey, what do you folks think?"

There is no point to opening these polls to voting from the whole public... such polls are completely unscientific, unrepresentative of anything, and a complete waste of time & bandwidth.

Charles, could you please run the poll again, keep Ron Paul on the list, but make the thingy accept votes only from registered members?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

All his comments are about Ron Paul.

#192 Norton Pete

Great post! Thank you!

146 catholic anarchist 5/16/2007 9:29:09 am PDT
From Herr Charles

From Zionist to Nazi... Leftists crack me up.

146 Catholic Anarchist

What?

Joe Biden > August 4, 2002
"This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world, and this is a guy who is in every way possible seeking weapons of mass destruction."


Chuck Schumer > October 10, 2002
"It is Hussein's vigorous pursuit of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, and his present and future potential support for terrorist acts and organizations that make him a danger to the people of the united states."


John Kerry > January 23, 2003
"Without question we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator leading an impressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he's miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. His consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction."


Sandy Berger > February 18, 1998
"He'll use those weapons of mass destruction again as he has 10 times since 1983."


Senator Carl Levin > September 19, 2002
"We begin with a common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations, is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."


Senator Hillary Clinton > October 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock. His missile delivery capability, his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists including Al-Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."


Madeleine Albright > November 10, 1999
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."


Robert Byrd > October 3, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of '98. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons."


Al Gore > September 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."


Joe Biden > August 4, 2002
"I think he has anthrax. I have not seen any evidence that he has smallpox, but you hear them say, Tim (Russert), is the last smallpox outbreak in the world was in Iraq; ergo, he may have a strain."


Bill Clinton > December 17, 1998
"Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq.... Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors."


Hillary Clinton > October 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspections, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability and his nuclear program."


Dick Gephardt > September 23, 2002
"(I have seen) a large body of intelligence information over a long time that he is working on and has weapons of mass destruction. Before 1991, he was close to a nuclear device. Now, you'll get a debate about whether it's one year away or five years away."


Russell Feingold > October 9, 2002
"With regard to Iraq, I agree Iraq presents a genuine threat, especially in the form of weapons of mass destruction: chemical, biological and potentially nuclear weapons. I agree that Saddam Hussein is exceptionally dangerous and brutal, if not uniquely so, as the president argues."

#146 Catholic Anarchist

The reason you're coming back is because you're using the revolving door.

Use the door in the back. And watch out so it doesn't hit you in the ...

Okay, so my spelling was off.

Ron Popeil

and;

RuPaul

I think Ron Paul is closer to RuPaul than Ron Popeil.

198

hahaha. No its that charming hybrid- the zionazi.

Deb: What's a zionazi?
Napoleon Dynamite: It's pretty much my favorite insult. It's like a zionist and a nazi mixed... bred for its skills in blogging.

#146 Catholic Anarchist,

Your nic says it all about you "Coward"!

#199 FrogMarch

Excellent post.

/gets five lizard dewlaps

Paulchinians?

Next time some moonbat makes the "Vietnam quagmire" comparison, show him this chart comparing death tolls in Vietnam War and Iraq War.

#79 Charles

[Ron Paul]'s removed because his supporters are using our poll dishonestly, to make it appear as if he has more support than he really does.

Say what? I thought the poll was limited to registered LGF users to begin with.

I like Ron Paul's strict constitutionalism, but his blame the USA for 9/11 attitude is waaaaay over the top for me.

Hate me if you want, but I believe that going into Iraq was a big mistake. But now that we broke it, we need to stay, untie our soldier’s hands from the stupid rules of engagement so they can kick ass and let them finish the job.

I'm still plugging for Duncan Hunter. Sorry folks, but Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney are just more of the same old RINOs destroying our sovereignty.

This is what ron paul meant I think:

Interventionism requires the initiation of force.

Such force leads to unintended consequences and thus grievances (genuine or not).

Unintended consequences/grievences lead to blowback.

Thus blowback(terrorism) becomes a constant when we are an internationalist/interventionist state.

We invite attacks by evil when we proclaim to the the world's policemen.

That's what he meant.

I think that makes sense... maybe not... IMPEACH BUSH BDS BLARG!

Charles maybe you ought to consider banning Ron Paul's supporters from posting here as well. The man is a freaking idiot and his supporters sound like a bunch of inbred morons.

Here is a little reasoned commentary, which will hopefully rise above the current din.

The GOP's Rodney Dangerfield

Before some relative newbies attempt to number me among the trolls, click the football. I am no truther, and I am no leftist.

At this point in time, the "cause" debate is academic. For a man as learned as Ron Paul, closing the book on academics (to borrow another poster's apt metaphor) can be hard. Given the opportunity, I hope he would rise to the occasion and do what is best for the county. Considering the deepening political polarization in this country, what with the leading Republican and Dem candidates all being more than happy to use the Constitution as orgami-fodder, he'll not have that chance.

Of the current field of candidates, Dr. Paul would be the strongest defender of Americans' civil liberties.

/My first and last post on the topic. When next I have opportunity to post, it'll be a dead thread, anyway.

#147 Ma Sands

Jack Chick? Of Chick Tracts?

I know his work, but nothing about him as a person.

#146 Anarchist

Okay, I can understand your disappointment that we don't like your candidate, and don't see his views as the wonderous revelations you do. It's a free country. You're free to support him. We're free to think he's an idiot.

However, lapsing into stereotypical Troll behavior: saying you're leaving, then coming right back, intimating Charles is a Nazi, etc., is not only trollish---it's downright tacky.

No need for the door to hit your ass; you're hitting it just fine, all on your own.

#147 Ma Sands

Don't really know anything about him, but I'll do a little research later, if I can; gotta work right now; hyperventillating, like Maynard G. Krebs: WORK!---WORK!---WORK!)

#154 Zulubaby

LOL! Good to see you, Z-babe! Hope all is well?

Now, hold on just a second. I no longer support Ron Paul after last night, but c'mon. He isn't some sort of nutty democraticunderground.com slob or any kind of truther. His position is that an interventionist foreign policy will inevitably lead to attacks on America. And y'know what? He's right about that. The vanguard of liberty around the world is going to be attacked by the enemies of liberty. That one's a no-brainer.

What he's wrong about is his underlying assumption that a non-interventionist foreign policy will spare America from attacks as bad as, or worse than, 9/11. That's simply not true. Allowing an Islamic Caliphate to fester and grow in the middle east will lead not to peace, but to a global conflagration that will make 9/11 and Iraq look like trips to Disneyworld.

Ron Paul's foreign policy is naive and rooted in a past that no longer exists. Paul just can't understand certain modern realities, and for that he's probably not only going to lose the nomination race, but also his seat in Congress. The sad irony is that if he had stuck to the Constitutionalist arguments he knows best to defend his foreign policy position, rather than trying to come up with a practical argument, he probably wouldn't be getting panned as he is... But he also wouldn't be getting talked about at all. No one gives a flying shit about the Constitution anymore.

Of course, none of this has to do with Charles' post. I hate it when nutters slam polls and if Paul's people really are doing it, the only way to punish that behaviour is to remove Paul altogether and make that strategy backfire.

Block, you're really lame.

#193 Sharmuta 5/16/2007 9:38:34 am PDT

178 ChenZhen

You need a link to show spamming? Here you go.

That link just took me in circles. I was talking about a link on to another site telling people to visit LGF and vote of Paul in the poll.

TalkinKamel, howareyou? :-)

#209 Joel

When you combine Troothers with Libertarians, and add a soupcon of anarchism, you get rabid Ron Paul supporters---a Frankensteinian monster indeed!

#207 Escovado,

So if we do like the moonbats want and pull out early and malls start blowing up and maybe your family members will be victims, I think staying in Iraq would look like a great idea then don't you? dumba**!

Ron Pauls answer was an insult to this Country ... Period!

He is a nonentity as far as I am concerned....

Removing him would be the prudent thing to do.
thank you Charles

#60 NoSubmission
I voted 3 times for Rudy too. Outside of his Yankee rooting childishness, he was a great mayor. I am proud that once when he campaigned in Brooklyn back in 1993 I shook his hand.

Ron Paul supporter now on Rush.....

Ron,Paul,George and Ringo ? I thought they split up in 1970. Hmmmmmmm

#217 TalkinKamel
Libertarianism always sounds so nice (in theory) but in practice it is anarchy and most "libertarians" are just moonbats trying to sound respectable.

#208 Block

You seem sincere, anyway, and not prone to run away snivelling like CA. So, I'd like to rebut 2 points you made:

This is what ron paul meant I think:

If you have to keep explaining what Paul meant, either he's a very poor politician who can't get his point across, or his point was made but is incoherent.

We invite attacks by evil when we proclaim to the the world's policemen.

You admit there are "evil" forces out there, right? Are you thinking they should be policed but not by America, or are you thinking that these evil forces should not be policed at all?

Why not limit all polls to registered lizards, while still keeping Paul (and future controversial figures) on the list.

That would give a more accurate opinion survey of a self-selected group. I would find that to be interesting in several ways while avoiding accusations of censorship.

While Ron Paul has some loony and objectionable ideas, he is an elected member of Congress.

#152 {savage_nation}!

Hey Hon! Can you believe the RP idjits?! Gaaah!

#195 Kenneth
I guess I missed something somewhere, because I thought Charles had already programmed the poll for registered & logged in lgfers only. When I saw the total vote count around 3,000 to 4,000 it seemed about right.

I'd like to see Ron Paul "blownback" out of Congress altogether even if it is by a Democrat.

#218 'Nam Grunt

So if we do like the moonbats want and pull out early and malls start blowing up and maybe your family members will be victims, I think staying in Iraq would look like a great idea then don't you? dumba**!

Excuse me, but where did I even insinuate that we should pull out of Iraq? Hmmmm? I suggest that you read my entire comment before shooting off your mouth. Let me quote myself again just to make it easier for you to understand:

Hate me if you want, but I believe that going into Iraq was a big mistake. But now that we broke it, we need to stay, untie our soldier’s hands from the stupid rules of engagement so they can kick ass and let them finish the job.

Sorry 'Nam Grunt, but you sound like the GOP version of a Kos kid.

Charles, can't there be a way to make it so only REGISTERED lizards can vote?

166 andalus

I'd believe Memri over al-guardian any day of the week and twice on Fridays.

OK, I'm going to play the polish mine sweeper here and go stomping around in the obvious mine field, but, I think the criticism of Ron Paul is,,, well,, incorrect.

Wait, stop typing your rebuttal and let me make this clear.

The problem with Ron Paul's assertion, that the 9/11 attacks were blow back from our actions against Iraq, isn't that it is was a motive/justification for the 9-11 attack, because it plainly IS, as said by AQ themselves. The problem is that Ron Paul takes the position that such reasoning "justifies" AQ's attack as reasonable when he says, think how we would feel if we were Iraq. But we are not Iraq. We didn't launch a surprise attack on a neighbor so that we could annex their country and claim their resources as our own. We didn't sign a cease fire that we then refused to honor. We were not attempting ethnic cleansing of our own people.

AQ did in fact attack us on 9-11 partly in response to the long term sanctions and the military enforced no fly zones. If anything, that is all the more justification for ending the stalemate that was Iraq before Operation Iraqi freedom. Because the slow strangulation of a nation was wrong and creating a even more deadly silent war against us. The humiliation of a Sunni dominated Muslim nation chaffed their hides, because they firm;y believe that such nation should have free reign to reign terror anywhere anyhow they want, and yes, standing against such regimes will indeed create a blow back. Just as when you attempt to stop a rapist or a murderer, you are likely to end up in a fight and pissing the assailant off.
Ron Paul would have the US stand aside in the face of such atrocities in fear of angering the despots of the world, and for THAT reason he is unfit to lead. Hell, in fact he is unfit to wear pants, and damn well better never don a Kilt!

Ron Paul. He had it coming.

not too far OT, I'm still cracking up over Huckabee's Edwards/beauty salon crack.

#225 brenda,

Harry "The War is Lost" Reid, is an elected officail as well!

pickle #213

yes but while non-intervention may not prevent future attacks, intervention will spawn even more attacks because of the law of unintended consequences when one initiates force.

I think Iraq is the perfect example of this theory in action.

That's why any military action must have a goal that can be achieved.

The only way to win the war on terror is to eradicate islam. Using military force to achieve this goal is probably the worst possible option, especially when used first.

225 brenda

While Ron Paul has some loony and objectionable ideas, he is an elected member of Congress.

So is Pete Stark another raving lunatic (as well as Dennis Kucinich).

Here you go ChenZhen- just for you.

[Link: www.ronpaulpresshub.com...]

#187 Fritz_Katz

Now I have no where to go.

'The Soul's Desert (written August 30, 1939 by Robinson Jeffers)

They are warming up the old horrors; and all that they say is echoes of echoes.
Beware of taking sides; only watch.
These are not criminals, nor hucksters and little journalists, but the governments
Of the great nations; men favorably
Representative of massed humanity. Observe them. Wrath and laughter
Are quite irrelevant. Clearly it is time
To become disillusioned, each person to enter his own soul's desert
And look for God -- having seen man.'

Libertarianism always sounds so nice (in theory) but in practice it is anarchy and most "libertarians" are just moonbats trying to sound respectable.

What an idiotic statement. Is Neal Boortz a moonbat?

#229 Escovado,

If you only knew me, that post was a mistake it was meant for CA, sorry. ;-)

79 Charles and others
Good take down of Catholic Anarchist (who is probably Pat Buchanan).

220 Joel
I would love to shake Rudy's hand.
I've only seen him in person once.

It was the beginning of the NYC Marathon in '01, just a month or so after the attacks. I was out for an errand when I just happened on the approaching lead motorcade in the race and Rudy was seated in the convertible with Police Commissioner Kerik, I believe.

I waved my hands up high and cheered and they both looked over at me. I must have been the only one cheering because I live in a moonbat nest in Brookyn. That really made my day.

GO RUDY!

Ron Paul supporters are not limited to but definitely include an assortment of anti-war lefties and truthers. And they like him because he's just as bat shit crazy as they are. I think he himself made that plain last night.

There's probably some campaign at some truther/anti-war site to boost his popularity on the net. I'm thinking most regular LGF readers would not vote for him.

If only JC Supercop had gone away as peacefully as catholic anarchist.

240 Pickle
I do not know Neal Boortz but I do know Ron Paul, Lewis Rockwell, Justin Raimondo and the late4 Sam Francis. Case closed.

He's the Dennis Kucinich of the GOP.

Kucinich/Paul 2008.

Let's just draw all the nuts out of the electorate and let the (relatively) sane people decide the election.

Cap This: Ron Paul Explains How the USA Was Responsible for 9-11 Through the Medium of Interpretive Dance

#208 Block

So 9/11 was in retaliation for US intervention---in Kosovo, where we (supposedly) were saving Moslems from Serbian Christians? (And where we undoubtedly bombed Hell out of the Serbs.) For intervening in Black September, and saving Arafat's sorry hide? For all the billions of foreign aid we've given Egypt, Pakistan and the Palestinians? For Somalia, where we were trying to help feed starving Moslems? For pushing the laughable Palestinian "peace" process? For helping the Saudis get access to their oil, so they can fund madrassas and Wahabism around the world to teach it how bad the West is? For dumping the Shah, and letting Khomeni take his place, thereby giving whacko-fundamentalist Islam a position of strength in the area?

You're right, I don't understand.

And what does any of this do with Islamic aggression in Nigeria and Darfur? In Indonesia? In the Philippines? In India and Kashmir? In China? Have these countries been interfering with Islamic nations? Do you really believe that all these conflicts would suddenly cease, if the US just changed its foreign policy towards Islam? (translation: "If it would just dump Israel, already!")

Actually, as I recall, one of Bin Ladin's complaints after 9/11 was the loss of "Al-Andalus"---Spain. Are you seriously suggesting that we hand over Spain, and the Spaniards, to Islam, so we can all have "peace" and make Moslems happy, and show them we're never, ever going to interfere in their affairs again?

Yeah, right---you're last post. (Hmmm, next post by Block in Three---two---one----

Either that, or he'll wait for the dead thread, when he can say whatever he likes, and not have to worry about anybody pointing out the holes in his arguments.)

ward cleaver
Ron Popeil.

Damn, that was funny!

#235 Block

The only way to win the war on terror is to eradicate islam.

Eradicate it? How about just reforming it?

OK but why hide the comments?

#243 NoSubmission
The thing I liked about Rudy when I met him was how approachable he was. I did not feel nervous at all asking a question and giving my opinion ot him. The NY Times hates him, good enough for me. Yes I can imagine the people of Williamsburg Brooklyn hating him but in Marine Park where I lived, we loved him. Go Rudy!

anarchist troll ask the kurds if saddam had WMD'S

#241 'Nam Grunt

#229 Escovado,

If you only knew me, that post was a mistake it was meant for CA, sorry. ;-)

LOL. Apology accepted! :p

Dr. Paul seemed like an OK guy when he was my pediatrician, although my kid did turn out as fucked up as a football bat... Hmmm.

#208 Block and #213 Pickle

Ron Paul is right to advocate a government that is limited to the Constitution. But he is wrong to advocate a foreign policy that ignores foreign aggression against the US. The idea that our government invites attack when we influence foreign politics is total garbage. We don't go around initiating force against peaceful, sovereign nations in an effort to undermine their stability and freedom. And the notion of escalated attacks from a hostile nation isn't a moral consideration, to discourage us from preventing aggression, but rather a strategic one, to impress upon us the urgency of killing them before they kill us.

#248 TalkinKamel

Are you seriously suggesting that we hand over Spain, and the Spaniards, to Islam, so we can all have "peace" and make Moslems happy, and show them we're never, ever going to interfere in their affairs again?

Actually, Block suggested in his post #235 that Islam must be "eradicated." Of course, not militarily. He didn't offer any suggestions on how we're supposed to peacefully eradicate Islam.

Aloha pumehana, Charles.

Well, I voted (ONCE) for Paul in this poll and didn't inform/encourage/beg anyone else likewise disposed to come here and do the same. (I voted twice for Bush, but sure wouldn't now)

Too bad you felt the "need" to remove Ron Paul because as you say they didn't cheat per se and such an action to inform others may have been an innocent attempt to allow a true vote in the wider blogosphere. I'm a bit surprized at your reaction, actually, given your open-mind and all but it's your house and we are to be polite guests to a polite host so all's fair.

Back to the banning/censoring of Ron Paul though.

If you wanted ONLY lizards to vote, I'm sure you could have set the poll up that way, yes?

Question---Are any of the others' names being "inflated" by this or any other method as well?

Ma Sands, if you're still around, drop me an e-mail, and I'll give you my opinion of the Chick Tracts, if that's what you're looking for.

Just out of curiousity, what was Paul's final vote % before he was banished?

I do not know Neal Boortz but I do know Ron Paul, Lewis Rockwell, Justin Raimondo and the late4 Sam Francis. Case closed.

Yeah, case closed. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Those people represent one faction of libertarianism. One. People like Neal Boortz, Larry Elder, Dennis Miller, and Jonathan Henke are libertarians too, and you may not know who they are, but a hell of a lot more people do than know any of the strawman names you listed.

Know a bit about what you're deriding before you deride it, or you make yourself look dumb.

RUDY/BOLTON 08

Charles- thank you!

Now you really are banned anarchist, and will not need to make a liar out of yourself again. Enjoy that circle jerk you were talking about- you'll have even more time for it now.

#258 nagasaki_hata

I'm a bit surprized at your reaction, actually, given your open-mind and all but it's your house and we are to be polite guests to a polite host so all's fair.

They were warned and given another chance to behave so you probably shouldn't be surprised.

Chen! Didja get the link? You know, you could have just checked the referrer page.

201 Ward Cleaver
I sort of like wathcing Ron Popeil's infomercial for the Rotisserie Grill because it makes me hungry. The dumbest infomercials are Carlton Sheet's buy real estate with no money down.

#258 nagasaki_hata 5/16/2007 10:09:35 am PDT

Question---Are any of the others' names being "inflated" by this or any other method as well?

Good question.

262 yochanan
Actually Bolton belongs running the State Department after Clueless Condi. He could clean out the nests of Arabists.

#203 'Nam Grunt

#146 Catholic Anarchist,

Your nic says it all about you "Coward"!

Howdy... Hope all is well with you...

Not to be pedantic, but the troll spells his nic with a lower case "c", so I'm assuming he is using the generic term catholic rather than referring to the Catholic flavor of Christianity... Certainly his posts suggest that... ;)

/pedant mode: off

#234 nam grunt, #236 joel

Hey, I live in commie Barbara Lee's district and have to put up with some of the worst lunacy of all.

What I meant was that Ron Paul deserves some modicum of respect because thousands of citizens chose him as their Congressman. He is not Michael Moore.

The problem is not so much RP's nutty misapprehensions (we live with similar daily) but the mucking up of the LGF poll by annoying supporters.

As I (and others) have suggested, the solution is for online LGF polls to be open to registered lizards only. Simple.

Ok here's a question. The dems are still talking about impeaching Bush. If they did so they would go after Cheney as well for being part of the same administration.

The person I was talking to said "but of course the republicans would replace Cheney before that happened just like they found a pretext to get rid of Spiro Agnew thereby getting Ford into office and he went on to be president."

Just supposing: So who do you think Bush would choose as vice president if the dems did attempt to get rid of the Bush Cheney ticket and he wanted to avoid having Pelosi as president?

My tivo decided to tape channel 9 PBS which was discussing this very topic, chances of impeaching Bush on legalities, the evening of the gop debates.

If your are an isolationist now that would make you a defeatist too. good company not to be found in.

Charles, if you had banned him on the content of his comments, which pissed me off as well, then it would have been poor judgement..But, like you said, his supporters were using this site as a platform to fool others. They were even warned to stop.

My love for this site is that it is always truthful..Never have I seen you attempting to fool anyone..The mere fact that the truth is spoken here has angered the left and the Islamists to such an extent that I speak here in pride and read here with enthusiasm, knowing you, or my fellow lizards will not bow to lesser things.

If we wanted to be fooled into picking a president then we would be liberals.

#261 Pickle
Dennis Miller is supporting Rudy Giuliani - get lost. If he was Libertarian he would be supporting your guy Paul. Libertarians do not want to pay taxes but want the benefits. How about not collecting social security then? Being against big government does not make you a libertarian.

#235 Block

yes but while non-intervention may not prevent future attacks, intervention will spawn even more attacks because of the law of unintended consequences when one initiates force.

In case you missed it, the terrorists already came to America and killed 3000 innocents.

All options, including intervention, appeasement & isolationism, all of them have unintended consequences. That's because other actors (states, groups & individuals) make choices & take actions.

The US was attacked by terrorists from the Middle East. We have no choice but to go to the source of the problem & kill it there. Not intervening because people who already hate us might hate us some more is like not getting a vaccination because you are worried about the side-effects of the shot.

You really need to read this: Was Osama Right?

#271 Greensoccer
They would like to get rid of both Bush and Cheney simultaneously so that Nancy Pelosi could take over.

I didn't want to limit the polls only to registered people, because that's a very small subset compared to our entire readership.

Chen Zhen: look at the referrers page; there are a couple of links there now, one from a Ron Paul site where internet polls are listed. Earlier there were a lot of referrals from email sites as well, directly to the poll, from people with IP addresses who then voted for Ron Paul. They did the same thing in the last debate, and that's why I warned them.

And a look at the raw data in the database also makes the spamming very obvious.

Its easy to game the system. If you delete cookies you can vote numberous times.

A suggestion for Charles. Why not start a vote thread (no poll) and ask us to just vote for who we want. The problem with the polls you put up here is that none registered members can vote.

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So, let me see if I'm catching the logic of the opponents to Charles' removal of Ron Paul: Charles shouldn't remove the candidate who brings both spam and inaccuracies to the poll, but should keep him in, so we continue to get inaccurate polls.

So, here' my question: If the polls are going to continue to be inaccurate of expressing the opinion of LGF readers, why bother?

The supporters, though few, of Ron Paul have been spamming polls all across the net. Pajamas Media has threatened to remove Paul, as well, as one person cast several hundred votes for Paul, in 72 minutes, from one IP. That, is inaccurate.

The polls Charles posted, are apparently supposed to see the opinion of the LGF readers. Paul supporters are emailing everyone they can think of, many of whom have probably never even heard of LGF, to vote, making it inaccurate.

Good move, Charles. At least someone has the ability to say "Enough is enough".

I think the V.POTUS would have a enough free time to clean up the state dept of its arabist traitors.

just having Bolton anywere near the 'football' would get the islamist worried.