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New Details on Northwest Airlines Terrorist Dry Run

Sun, May 27, 2007 at 12:59:46 pm PDT

Three years after Annie Jacobsen wrote her article about the terrorist “dry run” she observed on a Northwest Airlines flight, the Department of Homeland Security has released new information that confirms our worst suspicions—not only about terrorist plans for another 9/11, but about DHS’s amazing incompetence, because the incident was not even filed with them until four days later: More details on Flight 327 released.

The inspector general for Homeland Security late Friday released new details of what federal air marshals say was a terrorist dry run aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles on June 29, 2004.

Several portions of the report remain redacted. The release stems from a Freedom of Information request by The Washington Times in April 2006. The Times first reported on July 22 that this and other probes and dry runs were occurring on commercial flights since the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Excerpts from 51-page inspector general report:

On the flight, 13 Middle Eastern men behaved in a suspicious manner that aroused the attention and concern of the flight attendants, passengers, air marshals and pilots.

Briefly, the following events occurred. Thirteen Middle Eastern men were traveling together as a musical group, 12 carrying Syrian passports and one, a lawful permanent resident of the United States of Lebanese descent, purchased one-way tickets from Detroit to Los Angeles. Six of the men arrived at the gate together after boarding began, then split up and acted as if they were not acquainted. According to air marshals, the men also appeared sweaty and nervous. An air marshal assigned to Flight 327 observed their behavior and characterized it as “unusual,” but made no further reports at the time.

During the flight, the men again acted suspiciously. Several of the men changed seats, congregated in the aisles, and arose when the fasten seat belt sign was turned on; one passenger moved quickly up the aisle toward the cockpit and, at the last moment, entered the first class lavatory. The passenger remained in the lavatory for about 20 minutes. Several of the men spent excessive time in the lavatories. Another man carried a large McDonald’s restaurant bag into a lavatory and made a thumbs-up signal to another man upon returning to his seat.

Flight attendants notified the air marshals on board of the suspicious activities. In response, an air marshal directed a flight attendant to instruct the cockpit to radio ahead for law-enforcement officials to meet the flight upon arrival. After arriving, Flight 327 was met by federal and local law enforcement officials, who gathered all 13 suspicious passengers, interviewing two of them. An air marshal photocopied the passengers’ passports and visas. The names of the suspicious passengers were run through FBI databases, indicating the musical group’s promoter had been involved in a similar incident in January 2004. No other derogatory information was received, and all 13 of the men were released.

The Homeland Security Operations Center (HSOC) logs show no entries regarding Flight 327 on the day of the flight. Flight 327 was logged into HSOC’s database on July 26, 2004, four days after the events that occurred on the flight were reported by The Times. The suspicious incident was brought to HSOC’s attention by an inquiry from the White House Homeland Security Council.

(Hat tip: LGF readers.)

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1 KSK  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:01:45pm

I've just made a stink about a left suitcase in a train

2 KSK  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:03:12pm

It was left by an Oriental looking man, but it then turned out that he had just "forgotten it".

Don't think I'd forget a heavy suitcase in a train.

3 astronmr20  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:03:29pm

So...

What of their background? Were they really a musical group? Were they just smoking hashish in the lavatory?


Still few details...


So frustrating.

Another useless government agency sent to "protect us."

Arm yourselves, Americans.

4 packsoldier  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:05:10pm

Music group, eh? Madman Mohammed and the Solid Gold Splodeydopes?

5 wrathofasma  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:06:12pm

Snopes lists her story as exaggerated. Should I trust Ms. Jacobsen?

6 KSK  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:06:42pm

What angers me is police did not even ask the guy to open the suitcase. Incredible.

7 KSK  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:07:57pm

#5 Sometimes the story will have an innocent outcome. Sometime they REALLY are dry runs.

I think erring on the right side is better

8 Allah al Fubar  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:09:18pm

Music is Haram. Clue #1.

9 mbruce  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:09:29pm

These career politicos have pretty much got to go across the board.
I am just assuming them all incompetent unless they can actually prove otherwise.

10 jemima  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:11:57pm

#5--just go back to wondering if the TANG memo is real or a fake. Don't bother yourself with this fake trial run. Annie Jacobsen couldn't possibly know what she's talking about, after all, she was only on the plane. Why should we trust an eye witness?

11 ointmentfly  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:11:58pm

I just do not understand why they would try for another "planes" operation. Really, how hard would it be for a suicide bomber or suicide bombers to simultaniously detonate in a mall, at a concert or sporting event? I am beginning to think that their fanaticism is catching up. How many dudes that might have been used for "operations" have met our Marines and army troops in Iraq and Afghanistan? Might it be time to think that the stategy of fighting them "over there" might actually be working.

They talk about our soldiers coming home with PTSD. How many jihadists have gone home after seeing their fellow jihadists try to make it to paradise in pieces compliments of Mr. JDAM?

12 new_tommy  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:12:01pm

Let us remember, it is Michael "Capital Punishment" Chertoff owho thinks his DHS is up to handling a massive new (and incredibly flawed) visa program under the Bush/Kennedy amnesty.

13 perfectsense  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:13:41pm

As I recall at the time, the passengers who reported this incident were ridiculed by the government.

14 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:14:30pm

can't trust the government? Trust yourself...

15 Alberta Oil Peon  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:14:53pm

They released them?

Look, it's painfully obvious they were up to no good. Even if it was nothing more than playing mock-jihadi to unnerve the other passengers, it was an act of terrorism.

I'd "release" them, alright. Release them out the rear cargo door of a Herc cruising at 10,000 feet. No parachutes required.

16 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:16:36pm
but about DHS’s amazing incompetence


Is this the same DHS who assures us that the new amnasty bill is an acceptable, nay, wonderful piece of legislation?

(No terrorist ever crossed the southern border? Ever?)

17 Sharmuta  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:16:57pm

Islamophobia!

18 shug  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:17:47pm

and since then we've had a guy with a large magnet and wires up his ass at the metal detector set free since he posed no threat ( but his bags continued on his flight without him ) as well as passengers getting sued for noticing suspicious behavior.

so what this says is the people charged with protecting us have gotten even dumber, and the terrorist sypmathizers have stepped up their game

it's only a matter of time until we get hit again unless we change and change fast.

19 Sol Roth  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:19:26pm

Boy, I feel safer know that D.H.S. is on the job.

Maybe I should turn in my guns and radios know, yathink?

/stroke coming on...

20 new_tommy  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:20:52pm

Okay, creative lizardoids, how about rechristening the DHS. What should DHS really stand for?

21 Sol Roth  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:21:33pm

"know?" oriented as to time, not am I.

22 Sharmuta  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:22:50pm
The suspicious incident was brought to HSOC’s attention by an inquiry from the White House Homeland Security Council.

So- it took the White House pointing this out- that's great. Thank goodness someone at the White House was paying attention then.

23 Shug  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:24:11pm

20 new tommy

a new name for DHS?


OK

El Departamento de la Seguridad de la patria

/remember, jihad doesn't stop at the Rio Grande River

24 kahall  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:24:22pm

The key is the McDonalds sack. They went there before the flight, separated when they all started "Who Farted?" Then they all just wanted to be left alone since they were not feeling well. The rest is obvious. They all had the runs. "Did you just take a big stinking crap in there?" "Thumbs up." Come one we've all eaten there. This is totally harmless.

25 Escovado  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:24:48pm

#5 wrathofasma

Snopes lists her story as exaggerated. Should I trust Ms. Jacobsen?

Snopes is only trustworthy for urban legends. Snopes has proven itself to be most un-trustworthy when it comes to the politically-correct filtering of their conclusions. Ms. Jacobsen was an eyewitness to these events while the Snopes author was not. It is not difficult to figure-out whom to believe here!

26 HeatherRadish  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:27:00pm

#11 ointmentfly

Really, how hard would it be for a suicide bomber or suicide bombers to simultaniously detonate in a mall, at a concert or sporting event?

You only really need one well-placed bomber at one well-chosen sporting event.

But I think the reason no one's tried this is because as soon as something like that goes down, the public opinion about Iran, Iraq, Syri, et al changes overnight. Right now, Congress and the chattering classes are uninterested in self-defense. If either locker room at the MLB All-Star game gets blown up, that changes and it changes HARD. Smart strategy is to continue the slow bleed in Iraq, keep the American sheeple from thinking about you too hard.

Sigh.

27 Racer X  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:27:13pm
#20 new tommy


Department of Horse Shit

28 Racer X  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:28:00pm

Dang, Helped Splodey

29 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:28:08pm

#18 shug

I'm so afraid that it's going to take another terrorist attack to get Americans to realize what we're up against and to cut through the nonsense of PC.

30 Sol Roth  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:28:25pm

#29 D.H.S.

Deftly Humping Sally
Definetly Hurting Society
Dirty Ham Salad
Dinky Hokey & Sad
Doing Hardly Shit
Damage Harm & Suffering
Dingy Harry Sucks
Debbie Does Dallas
Dingbats Harebranes & Sods
Dribbling Haldol & Saliva

that's ten.

31 hockeymum  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:30:04pm

#30

Um, that's 9

32 Escovado  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:31:35pm

The true purpose of the Department of Homeland Security is not to protect the American people from terrorism, but rather to protect the feds from the American people when the defecation hits the air circulation machinery.

/Yes, my tinfoil hat is working nicely today. Thank you.

33 FrogMarch  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:31:45pm
During the flight, the men again acted suspiciously. Several of the men changed seats, congregated in the aisles, and arose when the fasten seat belt sign was turned on; one passenger moved quickly up the aisle toward the cockpit and, at the last moment, entered the first class lavatory. The passenger remained in the lavatory for about 20 minutes. Several of the men spent excessive time in the lavatories. Another man carried a large McDonald's restaurant bag into a lavatory and made a thumbs-up signal to another man upon returning to his seat.

I suppose considering the above to be unsettling means that we are racists and islamophobes...?
Clearly the answer is that we should appease, these freaks (lefty-style). Let's turn all US airlines into flying Mosques and provide prayer rugs to all the precious Muslims as they board.

34 JWM  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:32:28pm
and all 13 of the men were released.

That says it all right there. All thirteen should be at Gitmo.
While I'm sure the DHS has caught a few bad guys, I have a feeling that the real reason we haven't had a major attack on our soil since 9/11 is that the 9/11 attack worked so well. After 9/11 we had a period of national unity. It lasted right up until Bush decided to do something other than sit around and soak up the crocodile tears of the rest of the world. As soon as we invaded Afghanistan the "reality based community" came down with BDS and have been working overtime toward America's defeat ever since.
The country is divided. Half of America is working knowingly, or unknowingly to facilitate the Global Jihad. Another attack might re-unify the masses.

JWM

35 Shug  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:34:31pm

Department of Hollow Security

Our motto: We frisk two year olds so you don't have to.

36 galloping granny  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:35:14pm
#11 ointmentfly 5/27/2007 1:11:58 pm PDT

I just do not understand why they would try for another "planes" operation. Really, how hard would it be for a suicide bomber or suicide bombers to simultaniously detonate in a mall, at a concert or sporting event?

A single bomb at a mall will hurt only the mall. Maybe other malls for a while. But as we saw on 911, a plane highjacked & turned into a bomb literally paralyzes the economy. We are darned lucky that 911 did not quite literally put us into national bankruptcy.

37 Escovado  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:36:08pm

D.H.S = Defiantly Harming Society

38 Poimanester  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:38:32pm

Department of Hellish Stupidity

39 Sol Roth  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:39:01pm

# 31 hockeymum

Oops. Unos mas:

Department of Handmeanother Socialist
Department of Handsome Simians
Department of Heathen Slackers
Deeply Hindering (our) Safety

40 hockeymum  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:40:16pm

Denying Help Smugly

41 BabbaZee  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:42:42pm

Homeland Security is thoroughly INFILTRATED

Just two names, and there are MANY more

Juliette Kayyem and Shaarik Zafar

see here

We have to undeceive ourselves and prepare for the day this falls into our hands directly, cause eventually it will. No one is really protecting us.

I will be working on a piece about this all next week (I hope)

42 gymnast  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:43:24pm

Has any LGF poster ever actually applied for a DHS Airport Screeners Job?

43 Trumanite  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:43:31pm

36 galloping granny 5/27/2007 1:35:14 pm PDT

Really, how hard would it be for a suicide bomber or suicide bombers to simultaniously detonate in a mall, at a concert or sporting event?


Or, subway cars?

About two years ago. NYC MTA (with signs on every car "If you see something, say something..." and “Don’t leave your bag unattended”, etc., etc.). Queensboro Plaza station. As I'm going up to the Manhattan bound tracks I see a backpack sitting against the fencing just the other side of the turnstiles and no one was within 15 feet of it. A couple of NYPDs standing 25-30 feet away over by the windows, yakking to each other, paying zero attention. I went back to the ticket booth and pointed out to the agent that there was an unattended bag (visible from where she sat). She showed zero interest, stating that it "probably" belonged to one of about a dozen people standing around in groups of three or four, nobody close to the bag. I told her I was going to report it, she finally got interested and called out from her booth that somebody needed to claim the bag. The cops actually stopped their conversation long enough to glance over. One of the individuals in one of the groups then walked over and picked it up.

Not saying this was a "dry run" or anything. Just an inconsiderate jerk leaving his bag unattended. But, the whole "vigilance" thing, obviously a joke to some police and MTA personnel.

44 Racer X  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:43:33pm
#34 JWM
Another attack might re-unify the masses.


I agree for 2 reasons:

1. We are actually doing very well at killing the jihadis "over there" - they want to persuade the libs to get us out of Iraq.
2. Another attack on US soil would once again put the spotlight on the jihadis in training who are already here.

They are waiting.

45 jersey  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:43:51pm

I have emailed snopes about this story. I believe them to be usually a fair source when investigating bogus internet "stories." unfortunately the website author reveals her left leanings when it comes to this story. I have recently been privy to homeland security briefings that clearly outline the "probing" that is going on our airlines. snopes loses major credibility in my eyes due to their misinterpratation of this important event.
The HS folks also explained that 1) a fence is a great idea (duh!) and 2) NY is the number one target. (2x duh)

be safe and for the time being pls do NOT cite snopes til they change their tune on this very important topic.
thanks
jersey

46 FrogMarch  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:43:59pm
...indicating the musical group’s promoter had been involved in a similar incident in January 2004.

and.. and.... AND!

Somehow this all feels very incomplete and unsatisfying. Is there evidence that this same "musical" group is still flying around?
Were they really dry-running a terrorist attack, or just f**king with everybody? Maybe these men went into the bathroom to play jerky-boy while they merely fantasized about killing all the innocents on board in a firey plane crash?

etc...

If it's illegal to joke about bombs/explosives while walking through an airport, shouldn't it at least be a minor infraction to fake a terrorist attack?

47 Sol Roth  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:44:38pm

#41 BabbaZee

Oooh.

Deeply Hiding Secrets

48 BabbaZee  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:46:10pm

Sol, lol

49 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:46:59pm

Dhimmification & Hispanictization Society

50 FrogMarch  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:48:06pm

41 Babbazee

America is over.

51 Shug  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:49:59pm

#49 Insert Clever Name Here


Dhimmification & Hispanicization Society


ding
ding
ding

winner winner chicken dinner

/game over

52 gymnast  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:49:59pm

#49, Insert. I was asking a serious question that relates with actual experience with the system. Was this your experience?

53 Escovado  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:50:51pm

OK, how about...

D.H.S = Defiantly Hindering Security?

54 Sol Roth  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:51:58pm

#50 FrogMarch

It seems that way sometimes, but it isn't over until the commihadis Dance With The Fatlady.

(metaphor for something we can't discuss here).

Don't fret my friend.

55 galloping granny  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:52:05pm
#42 gymnast 5/27/2007 1:43:24 pm PDT

Has any LGF poster ever actually applied for a DHS Airport Screeners Job?

Have an acquaintance that is a screener.

56 ProUSA  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:54:01pm

#3 astronmr20 5/27/2007 1:03:29 pm PDT


Agreed. DHS is another bumbling government agency. Aee they paralyzed with fear about being un-PC?

DHS =

Don't Halt Shiites

Don't Halt Sunnis

Don't Have Security

Department of Harmful Sham

57 Sol Roth  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:54:19pm
Dhimmification & Hispanictization Society

What is that, japanese?

58 stevieray  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:55:02pm

Degrading Human Society

59 FrogMarch  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:55:49pm

Sol Roth

commihadis Dance With The Fatlady.

Well the tango music is playing, Rosie has a thorny rose in her mouth, and she's tapping her foot.

60 Dr. Shalit  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:56:46pm

Trust the Passengers -

Maybe I'm too optimistic. I still think the
"Let's Roll" spirit holds if any of these nitwits make an OVERT move. My recollection is that Mr.Reid the shoe bomber took quite a beating before he was taken from his plane. I would expect the same at least.

-S-

61 ProUSA  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:57:00pm

I like these:

#49 Insert Clever Name Here

Dhimmification & Hispanicization Society

#53 Escovado 5/27/2007 1:50:51 pm PDT

D.H.S = Defiantly Hindering Security?

62 deadbackpacker  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:58:08pm

I'll give it a go, how about:

Department of Habitual Stupidity

63 ProUSA  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:58:09pm

DHS =

Department of Having Sharia

64 Dion  Sun, May 27, 2007 1:58:37pm

Dept. of Hapless Sloths

I had the misfortune to stumble in on a DHS recruitment seminar in Albuquerque. We're doomed.

65 BabbaZee  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:00:20pm

#50 FrogMarch


The America we knew is, yes,
I agree with that.

I don't want to agree with it,
I choke on it,
but the reality is that I have to.

We have to take her back.

Each one of us,
however we can,
in whatever way afforded to us at the moment

WE MUST TAKE HER BACK.

However this thing goes in the future we can never give up and never stop fighting to restore her.

THIS IS OUR WAR.

66 Shug  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:01:08pm

DHS = Deer in Headlights Society

67 TalkinKamel  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:01:10pm

#24 Kahal

No, it's not.

(McDonald's food, by the way, is probably far less likely to make you sick than much of the stuff that turns up in "fine" restaurants.)

68 big L  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:02:09pm

"Homeland security" always sounded like Charlie Chaplin's "der fatherland" skit...

we will have to fight off the bureaucrats first before the slams-terrorisas.

chertoff is disgraceful to support and laugh about that crappy dangerous immigratitude bill.
He has to go too.

69 Sol Roth  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:03:00pm

#59 FrogMarch

I know. So are other mouthpieces funded by communist foreign agents like George Soros.

Rosie just aborted herself from that Twit-a-Thon show The View. She suffers from clinical depression in spite of the fact she is loaded, has a loving "wife" and a house full of children. Even someone as confused as she is has a part of her brain that cannot reconcile her individual freedom and financial success with the communist propaganda she spews forth.

Remember that there are two warriors more powerful than any of these assholes.

Time and Patience.

70 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:03:43pm

Dhimmification & Hispanictization SERVICE
There...I knew somthing was wrong. That's better.


No, I've not personally dealt with these people, except the few times I've travelled by plane. I did not get searched or anything. I'm taking my information only by what Michael Chertoff has done lately and other information on this topic at LGF.


(To be honest I was pondering whether to (and may still) apply to be an airport screener.)

71 Tasty Beverage  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:06:34pm

Charles:

not only about terrorist plans for another 9/11, but about DHS’s amazing incompetence, because the incident was not even filed with them until four days later

It's actually worse than that. If you look at the text from the article-

Flight 327 was logged into HSOC's database on July 26, 2004, four days after the events that occurred on the flight were reported by The Times

The actual flight was on June 29. The Times reported it on July 22. DHS put it in the database on July 26, almost a month after the flight occurred.

I sure feel safe.

72 stevieray  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:07:06pm

#41 BabbaZee

And I thought it was bad when my governor Jim "I am a Gay American" McGreevey appointed his Israeli Tour Guide and sometimes Poet Lover Boy Golan Cipel to be our state's Homeland Security Czar.

73 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:08:11pm

#54 Sol Roth

It seems that way sometimes, but it isn't over until the commihadis Dance With The Fatlady.


So who will dance with Shrillery?

74 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:08:13pm

#41 Babba Zee

We have to undeceive ourselves and prepare for the day this falls into our hands directly, cause eventually it will. No one is really protecting us.

Truer words were never said. The government per se is not the enemy but it is so intimidated by the enemy media and their allies that it cannot take even the most logical and well-established types of action in its own defense, let alone ours.
The State Department, for example, is too intimidated by the media to even speak out against the outrageous acquittal of the British terrorists known as the Fairford Two.
Warnings about "shoot to kill" apparently stopped California terror-symps from attempting a mass sabotage operation at Vandenberg AFB in 2003.
In light of the Fairford decision, how long do we have before American traitors start to believe that the military is bluffing and again attempt to sabotage military facilities?

75 BabbaZee  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:09:04pm

#72 stevieray


OY!


What do Jim McGreevy
and the Israeli Navy
have in common?

wait for it

Jewish Se(a)men

76 Shug  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:09:54pm

aren't these the same governmental geniuses that Sent Mohammed Attah his visa extension a year after he hijacked American Airlines flight 11 ?

77 JWM  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:10:36pm

You can see here the poison of political correctness at work. God forbid anyone should profile a bunch of mid eastern moslems acting suspiciously on an airliner. PC worships the Lie. It is cultural AIDS. It has already compromised the immune system of our national security.

JWM

78 ProUSA  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:10:57pm

41 BabbaZee 5/27/2007 1:42:42 pm PDT

I shouldn't pre-judge Juliette's abilities, but what are they?

If any terrorist wanted to kidnap her, she sure makes it easier than it already is with her blogging. That is assuming she is not working for them or such a benefit to them they will leave her alone.

Why does someone in that blog about our policy matters, etc? Is this just a Gen Y'er oblivious to the real world. She is supposed to be a security expert, and she blogs about her opinions on pending reports, CIA directors, etc.

Is she 20 years old?

79 pbird  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:11:06pm

Dept. of Human Stupor

80 Sharmuta  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:11:08pm

Couple this incompetency with cair's desire to not have incidents like these reported in the first place and you have 9/10 mentality ruling the airlines and their passengers.

/Fly the friendly skies, my a**.

81 ARCountryBoy  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:11:18pm

D.H.S. = Defiantly Humping Salads

We won't take humping salads lying down! By damn, we're defiant about it! LOL...ok., so I got nothin'.

My vote has to go for the "Dhimmification & Hispanicization Society" name. That's awsome.

82 ProUSA  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:12:25pm
77 JWM 5/27/2007 2:10:36 pm PDT

You can see here the poison of political correctness at work. God forbid anyone should profile a bunch of mid eastern moslems acting suspiciously on an airliner. PC worships the Lie. It is cultural AIDS. It has already compromised the immune system of our national security.

JWM

Excellent analogy.

83 Escovado  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:12:26pm

Yes, "Dhimmification & Hispanicization [of] Society" is pretty hard to beat. :)

84 stevieray  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:14:03pm

#75 BabbaZee

wait for it

Jewish Se(a)men

Ack! I will not wait for it! I shall run away from it!

;P

85 BabbaZee  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:14:05pm

#74 Shiplord Kirel

[insert my nodding head here]

Oh Captain my Captain,

May the LORD gird our loins,
send angels with flaming swords
before us and behind us,
and fill us with the courage
to walk as iron lions of Zion,
my friend.

Amen.

86 BabbaZee  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:16:37pm

#78 ProUSA

She is 37 or 38

The other one is younger and I see he disabled the "friendster" account I linked to since my post.

His picture was on it
he couldn't be more than 30-32

Very young Muslims are lurking about in all sorts of high places in our government bureaucracies.

Things that make me go hmmm

87 new_tommy  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:17:00pm

#30 Sol Roth

Doing Hardly Shit

I think we have a winner!

88 stevieray  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:17:19pm

Hey! When did the Masthead change?

89 BabbaZee  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:17:34pm

#84 stevieray
Good thinking, lol


gotta go BBL


LONG LIVE LIZARDIA!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

90 new_tommy  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:18:12pm

A lot of good responses from people. There are several second placers.

91 simonml  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:18:51pm

I feel safe...


when I'm at home and the doors are locked.

92 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:21:15pm

Dhimmification & Hispanictization Service&trade
"We're from the government and we're here to help."

93 Sharmuta  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:24:03pm

88 stevieray

Hey! When did the Masthead change?

Not sure of the exact time, but it's beautiful.

94 Sol Roth  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:25:37pm

#73 Kosh's Shadow

That possiblity is not until November of next year. Lot's of things can happen before then.

Time & Patience.


#29 Department Helping Sharia

95 Sol Roth  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:27:36pm

# 29

Department of Helping Sharia

96 stevieray  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:29:05pm

#93 Sharmuta

Think it's a holiday thing?

97 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:30:05pm

BabbaZee wrote:

Very young Muslims are lurking about in all sorts of high places in our government bureaucracies.

Is this true? I don't see how it could be happening, really.


It's been many years and lots of hard labor to get American Blacks into upper levels of anything. Yey somehow a (basically) new minority waltzes in and get upper level positions? How does this happen? Is it academia, promting those who would help them destroy the USA that I know and love? Honestly, I just don't see how it could happen so quickly.


(Got it! Must be a Jewish conspiracy of some sort. /sarcasm)

98 Sol Roth  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:31:16pm

sorry all the "DHS's" are for #20 new_tommy.

/I need new glasses. And stroke medication.

99 stevieray  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:32:53pm

Now I have to stand w/ my hand over my heart every time I "refresh"... it's exhausting!

100 Sol Roth  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:33:46pm

#93 Sharmuta

Charles does that on flag days.


Man, I'm a postwhore in this thread. Tawk amongst ya selves.

101 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:34:17pm

damn typos.

yey := yet
promting := promoting
* := correct_spelling(*)

(Yes, PREVIEW IS MY FRIEND. There, I said it.)

102 campfreddy  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:34:20pm

i think it is also possible that they were trying to provoke a similar response from the citizens that the six [f]lying imams achieved this year.no less heinous but maybe an earlier unsuccessful attempt?

103 new_tommy  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:35:04pm

OT.

The third greatest intelligence agent ever (following Austin Powers and Larry Johnson), Patrick Lang, threatens Ace for his exposure of Hummelgate.

Another Response: Boy, these boy-men sure have some thin skin when their shoddy deceptions are revealed, don't they?

------ Forwarded Message
From: "Patrick Lang"

Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:22:01 -0400

To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: RE: Food-shortage memo an obvious fraud.

Can you prove it was not true? If you want to call me a lefty I will meet you anywhere.


------ Forwarded Message
From: "Patrick Lang"

Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:26:47 -0400

To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: RE: Food-shortage memo an obvious fraud.

Tell me where we will meet. Be prepared to remain there. Tell me where you live you yellow bastard.

That threat would read a lot scarier if it wasn't in that gaywad font he favors.

Patrick Lang refuses to publish any comments on his blog that point out the fraudulent nature of the memo or question his judgment in passing it off as authentic. I know because I tried. Ace thinks Patrick Lang himself passed this fraudulent memo onto WaPo.

104 .45ACP  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:36:36pm

press release late friday before a three day weekend...

105 barrypopik  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:37:41pm

One question--since 9-11, are there or aren't there cameras in airplane bathrooms?

So if a suspicious person takes a McDonald's bag into the bathroom, spends 20 minutes there, leaves, and then gives a thumbs-up to his buddies, wouldn't there be some tape to replay those 20 bathroom minutes? Wouldn't that be in Homeland Security's report?

Just asking the obvious.

106 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:39:49pm

Well, uh, on a lighter note, the Indy 500 should restart soon. It is (methinks) the 91st annual running. They've been under a rain delay for a while now.


(I noticed that the Pali's don't have a team in there. I wonder why...)

107 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:41:16pm

Charles

Thank You for the American flag.

Gee...I wonder what Google *spit* is showing?

108 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:43:21pm
109 Victor  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:44:45pm

#105 barrypopik 5/27/2007 2:37:41 pm PDT

One question--since 9-11, are there or aren't there cameras in airplane bathrooms?

Maybe they should be live-streaming aircraft toiletcams over the in-flight video system? Just a thought.

/

110 Killian Bundy  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:45:45pm
#105 barrypopik

are there or aren't there cameras in airplane bathrooms?

No.

/security cameras in restrooms are a legal no no

111 Thor-Zone  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:46:42pm

20 new_tommy

Okay, creative lizardoids, how about rechristening the DHS. What should DHS really stand for?

Dhammi Home Support

112 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:50:03pm

Should the Jihadi and the moonbats still be there cowering from the flag?

113 FlyingTigress  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:50:16pm

#105

So if a suspicious person takes a McDonald's bag into the bathroom, spends 20 minutes there, leaves, and then gives a thumbs-up to his buddies, wouldn't there be some tape to replay those 20 bathroom minutes? Wouldn't that be in Homeland Security's report?

How dare you. Don't you know what effect American food has on the Syrian digestive system?

/MSM

114 docremulac  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:51:33pm

Since these people were released it was an amazingly successful dry run. They got away scott free after finding out:

1- Don't arrive all together at the gate and then seperate.

2- There's probably only one airmarshall on any given plane to worry about.

3- You've got all the time you need in the bathrooms to prepare whatever you need to take over the plane.

4- And most disturbingly, you can abort a mission and still come back and give it another shot.


Don't fly without being prepaired to fight for your life with your bare hands if muslims take over the plane.

115 huggy77  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:52:42pm

i am new hear, sorry if this has been covered recently. But what happened to the flying imams. That also sounded fishy. Did we ever find out anything useful from that debacle... Perhaps the smaller squad size because the band was noticed..

116 pocomoco  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:53:23pm

All, please remind yourself each day that our government is being run by people who have reached their level of incompetence. It explains a lot.

117 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:57:02pm

#105 barrypopik 5/27/2007 2:37:41 pm PDT

One question--since 9-11, are there or aren't there cameras in airplane bathrooms?


I think bathroom cameras have already been litigated and found illegal. (Pay toilet stalls are illegal in California, too, in case you were wondering.)

(That doesn't mean that a camera couldn't be outside the door, pointed in a way to see who/when.)

118 TalkinKamel  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:57:06pm

#97 Insert Clever Name Here

Actually, considering the current rampant political correctness, the widespread fear of being sued by CAIR for "Islamophobia" and getting a reputation for being a racist, I actually could see Moslems infiltrating such positions quite quickly.

119 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:58:20pm

The Freepers' incredibly bitter "Rudy War" has garnered some attention from the legacy media:

Free Republic Purge: Conservative Web Site Bans Giuliani Supporters

Social conservatives (ie the "religious right") have long insisted on a social litmus test for conservatives, and the strictly political and philosophical conservatives have generally gone along.
This is obviously starting to change and I think a major split is developing. We sometimes forget that the marriage of social and political conservatism was something of a shotgun wedding and dates largely from the 1980 campaign and the subsequent Reagan era.
Traditional conservatives like William F. Buckley and Barry Goldwater were often at odds with religious right positions and this highlights the lack of any genuine philosophical connection between the two spheres.

120 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 2:59:49pm

#114 docremulac
~~~~~~~
Nice post.

(Excellent post, actually.)

121 cathyf  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:00:06pm
I'd "release" them, alright. Release them out the rear cargo door of a Herc cruising at 10,000 feet. No parachutes required.

For shame. Don't you know that littering is illegal?

122 wrathofasma  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:00:44pm

Okay, looks like this was real. I'm sorry but there have been too many incidents involving anyone who's brown skinned being mistaken for terrorists that I was skeptical at first. I never feel safe on planes anyway (unless I drug myself with sleeping pills) either because of undue suspicion (I'm Indian, and to morons, Indians are no different from Arabs) or incompetent govt agencies. Robert Spencer is right in saying racism is our national trauma. Because chaps like the dry runners above and the Flying Imams get away with s*** because they are Arabs, the victims of racist, hysterical white people.

123 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:02:07pm

#106 Insert Clever Name Here

Well, uh, on a lighter note, the Indy 500 should restart soon. It is (methinks) the 91st annual running.

(I noticed that the Pali's don't have a team in there. I wonder why...)


Maybe because all the explosives weigh the car down and make it too slow? Or maybe because they don't find racing fun because it doesn't end with a car swarm?

124 Jack of Shadows  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:03:35pm

OT
Memorial Day flags burned in Natick MA:

[Link: www.boston.com...]
[Link: wbztv.com...]

Disgusting but not surprising.

125 satan sidekick  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:04:03pm

#42 Gymnast

You asked if any LGFer had ever applied for an airport screener's job.

Well, I didn't apply, but my husband did (former Marine and top security clearance) back in Nov 2001.

He was flown to Chicago and given some tests like spotting a whisk on the xray machine in somebody's luggage (like that's a common place occurence). Anyway, he said the written test was so politically correct that he wasn't able to pass it. You could only pass it if you didn't make judgments based on a person's appearance.

He also said there were many former military and police there, but most were sent home the next day. They pretty much focused on hiring minorities and kept their current workforce.

At Logan airport in Boston there is a woman in full Muslim dress that wheels the handicapped passengers onto the planes. I'm not kidding - I saw it with my own eyes less than a month ago.

126 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:07:04pm
Maybe because all the explosives weigh the car down and make it too slow?

LOL!

(Woooooo. Gosh that was funny. Gimme' a minute while my cheek muscles relax.) (Yes, my FACE cheeck muscles, thank you.)

127 Colonel Panik  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:08:29pm

#107 Village Idiots Apprentice

Charles

Thank You for the American flag.

Gee...I wonder what Google *spit* is showing?

Gulag is just showing their own logo. Surprised?

128 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:09:39pm

By the way:
They have restarted!

1) Helio Castroneves
2) Danika Patrick
3) Mario Andretti

at lap 120 / 300.


(We now rejoin LGF already in progress...)

129 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:11:04pm

Durnit!
Make that lap 122 of 200.
A bit over half way through.

(I'm sure you're watching anyway, eh?)

130 pat  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:13:21pm

Well of course DHS would not do anything. After determing the Syrians were Muslims, I'm sure DHS then investigated the non-muslims for hate crimes. spit

FIRE CHERTOFF AND GONSALVES

131 Alouette  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:16:48pm

#42 gymnast

Has any LGF poster ever actually applied for a DHS Airport Screeners Job?

Yes, I did apply for an airport security job, two years ago. I did not get the job. I failed the IQ test (scored too high).

132 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:17:01pm
133 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:17:42pm
134 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:19:25pm

#119 Shiplord Kirel
Interesting. I wonder if any of the refugees have landed on the shores of LGF.

135 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:20:36pm
Memorial Day flags burned in Natick MA:

[Link: [Link: www.boston.com...]...]
[Link: wbztv.com...]

Disgusting but not surprising.

Maybe this is just John "The Breck Girl" Edward's "peace" march or whatever he wanted to call it.

(Speaking of war protesters, anybody run over anything larger than a speed bump lately?)

136 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:24:35pm

#119 Shiplord Kirel
~~~~~~~
What do we know of the NY news source? Are you sure this isn't a/n MSM twist of reality?


(I'm not saying there isn't a rift in (R) politics, just saying in my experience Free Republic tolerates a lot of cr*p.)

137 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:27:50pm

This is not a post.

138 Insert Clever Name Here  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:28:56pm

Excuse me, I think that was Marco Andretti.

139 kywrite  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:39:34pm

O/T, but neat for Newt fans:

I attended the Memorial Day Freedom Rally in Honolulu on Friday; it was fantastic. Hannity was up first, then Newt Gingrich, then Ollie North. All three were great, but the real star was Newt.

He stood up and talked about how America is growing more and more dissatisfied with both the major parties. Then, historian that he is, he described the several times in history, from Jefferson to Roosevelt, that America's direction has been changed by the parties being taken over. Later, he talked about his new organization, American Solutions, and the virtual town hall meetings they're having.

Guys, as he spoke, it became clearer and clearer to me and my husband that he is not just talking about whether or not to run for President; he's planning to start a third-party alternative. And he's doing it right, not like Perot. Check out what he's got going on at Americansolutions.com. He'll probably have the Friday speech up soon at [Link: newt.org...] too. He had bits and pieces of this speech in the others on his site, but I think this is the first time he's made this particular one, which brought together a whole ton of stuff. It sounded like a stump speech, honestly.

The timing was interesting too. Most of the crowd - as you might expect in Hawaii - was military or ex-military, in attendance because we expected a big Memorial Day, flags-a-wavin' sort of thing, which we got from Ollie and Shawn. Newt's speech was totally different (though he was ostensibly on his book tour with his co-author William Forstchen to promote his new book Pearl Harbor - he didn't even mention it in this speech). And they're planning to do this again on Sept. 11, when Shawn's concert series wraps up in New Jersey -- I'll put money that something big is in the works then.

I really believe we were present at what could be a historic moment.

Oh, an addendum -- I got to shake Newt's hand in the book-signing line, and took the opportunity to ask a carefully-worded question.

"So, where do I go to sign up to work with your new political party?"

He looked stunned for just a second and asked me to repeat myself. Then he just smiled and told me to go to Newt.org or to Americansolutions.com.

I think I got my answer.

Jamie

140 CommonSense  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:39:39pm

#3

Read the book, I got it when it first came out.

Bottom line we dodged one and in the spirit of political correctness it was brush under the carpet and swept out the door.

141 ec marm  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:39:44pm

#134 Killgore Trout

Interesting. I wonder if any of the refugees have landed on the shores of LGF.

I got the stick from there a while back after about 8 years. JimRob could be the greatest guy in the world but he's always a little behind the curve. My thoughts were on immigration placed in the context of years of classroom experience. (Not a big fan of "Kno chile lef Bhind.")
*whack*
Hope Charles gets a few of them. I'm not a big Rudy fan, but whackin' em is pretty heavyhanded IMHO. I think JimRob uses paid moderators.

142 FloatingRock  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:40:54pm

DHS:
Department of Homogenous Suckers
Dingbat Hoedown Society
Department of Ham Sandwiches
Divide Hide and Slide
Deranged Hombre Syndrome
Department of Hombre Services
Diverted Homeland Sympathies
Denial is Handy Sometimes
Denial Happy Socialites
Denial is Harmful to Society

143 FloatingRock  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:47:11pm

Department of Hispanic Services

144 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sun, May 27, 2007 3:50:40pm
145 tantraman  Sun, May 27, 2007 4:01:05pm

Flight 327? The one that the lead air marshal later said:

"there was never a time when my main partner or I felt there was an imminent threat to that airplane or the passengers." and "I understand why the passenger felt some anxiety about activity on Flight 327 but that kind of activity was unusual but not a security incident. There was never a threat to the plane."

Annie Jacobsen has a tendency to overreact.

146 Poimanester  Sun, May 27, 2007 4:01:32pm

#121

I'd "release" them, alright. Release them out the rear cargo door of a Herc cruising at 10,000 feet. No parachutes required.

For shame. Don't you know that littering is illegal?


I was thinking more along the lines of air pollution. Carries a stiffer penalty.

147 Shug  Sun, May 27, 2007 4:07:07pm

145 tantraman

there is never any threat to any plane, until the terrorist decides to be a threat.

I am sure AA 11, UAL 93, UAL 175 and AA 77 were calm and serene until the point when the hikackers stood up and slashed throats

148 theheat  Sun, May 27, 2007 4:10:09pm
that confirms our worst suspicions—not only about terrorist plans for another 9/11, but about DHS’s amazing incompetence

Ongoing incompetence, rampant incompetence, glaring incompetence, laughable incompetence, deceitful incompetence... useless, overblown, overfunded, gutless, and mostly overhyped. Every bit as contemptible and loathsome as the IRS, but nowhere as efficient.

Homeland Security double underscores how piss poorly this administration has handled domestic threats and reports of terrorism, deflecting their abject failure with "but the Democrats would be worse", while maneuvering to spread our legs borders a little wider.

Way to raise the bar, Brownie.

149 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sun, May 27, 2007 4:15:24pm
150 tantraman  Sun, May 27, 2007 4:16:09pm
#15: Alberta Oil Peon I'd "release" them, alright. Release them out the rear cargo door of a Herc cruising at 10,000 feet. No parachutes required

Wow. What a true Warrior you must be in this Epic and Unending Clash of Civilisations and War on Terror. Sitting there behind your keyboard, fantasising about dropping people out of planes.

151 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sun, May 27, 2007 4:24:39pm
152 FloatingRock  Sun, May 27, 2007 4:39:19pm

Dhimmification & Hispanicization Society
- #49 Insert Clever Name Here

I like the one above best. The only problem I have with it is that I'll have to practice speaking it beforehand if I wish to use it in a conversation. :)

So perhaps the short form would be:

Dhimmi & Hispanic Society
or
Dhimmi & Hispanic Services

I think I prefer the second variant with “Services”, but sorry, I don’t remember who to attribute that to. It isn't me though.

153 Poimanester  Sun, May 27, 2007 4:44:09pm

#150 tantraman


#15: Alberta Oil Peon I'd "release" them, alright. Release them out the rear cargo door of a Herc cruising at 10,000 feet. No parachutes required


Wow. What a true Warrior you must be in this Epic and Unending Clash of Civilisations and War on Terror. Sitting there behind your keyboard, fantasising about dropping people out of planes.

tonto:
I'm your huckleberry. I'll see your stupidity and raise you. Get me the Herc, a pilot and the aforementioned passengers and fantasy-via keyboard or not-will no longer be pertinent to the conversation.

154 Random63  Sun, May 27, 2007 4:45:50pm

Ok...couple of my undeducated observations. They seemed to have learned that they need more "bodies" on the plane in order to conduct their operations. They may think that 13 or more Muslims will keep 100+ passengers mollified or that at least one of them would have a chance to create mischief while the others are trying to fight off the passengers.

I wonder why the air marshall was not too concerned? He is trained far better than you or I on threats. (I do tend to give the government more credit than most folks for doing some things right.) If he felt there was a threat, I think he would have acted more aggressively. Remember, he's on that plane too, and if it's hijacked, then he's dead too along with the other passengers. I'm sure the Marshall wants to make it home to his wife and children the next day just like everyone else.

Was it a dry run? I'm sure it was. Was it blown off as much as the article says it was? I'm not so sure about that. I'm sure photos were taken, leads were follwed up, and they were watched to see who they report too.

It frustrates me like everyone else when I read of these incidents that portray the government as not doing their job, but one think keeps nagging at me...There has never been another successful hijack or major terrorist act on US soil since 9/11. That kinda tells me that the government must be doing some things right and it would be nice to give them credit for it once in awhile.

Be safe and be well.

155 caliredst8r  Sun, May 27, 2007 5:10:56pm

#42 Gymnast


(raises hand) I did.

156 6patrick6  Sun, May 27, 2007 5:13:15pm

It's amazing. DHS has no problem feeling up little girls and boys in the airport line, harassing US soldiers coming home from the front, or disassembling an 80-year-old man's prosthetic leg, but if you DARE report something truly suspicious that includes that "special group" they can not profile, well, you must be just plain paranoid and hateful. Nothing to see here, move along...

When (not "if") another 9/11 occurs, they will be stumbling all over themselves in front of Congress (another do-nothing group of terror enablers) explaining how, after nearly six years after the '01 attacks, they allowed such a travesty to happen. Hopefully, the person they question will shoot the question right back at Congress' face and tell them "we did only what you and the DHS Director told us to"...and watch the shit fly.

157 Ledger1  Sun, May 27, 2007 5:17:17pm

The real kicker to the dry run was the “Syrian musical group’s” destination being Los Angeles when in fact they supposedly were to play at a casino in San Diego County. Why didn’t they just fly into San Diego Airport?

Anyone who has ever experienced LA traffic knows what a hot bumper-to-bumper drive it would have been from LAX to the San Diego casino.

Some people have speculated they wanted to crash the large jet fuel laden aircraft in the densely populated Los Angeles area.

158 BabbaZee  Sun, May 27, 2007 5:17:31pm

#97 Insert Clever Name Here

BabbaZee wrote:

Very young Muslims are lurking about in all sorts of high places in our government bureaucracies.

Is this true?

I said it, didn't I?

We do not work on the basis of assumptions.

The Saudis have plenty of money.
Money paves all roads

Follow the link I originally posted for the two examples.

159 TalkinKamel  Sun, May 27, 2007 5:18:58pm

#150 Tantraman

Good goshers, yes! For G-d's sake let us never, ever, even in fantasy, express an angry thought against would-be terrorists, making dry runs on airplanes (or at least creating a scene, and disturbing the passengers.) How horrid! How hostile! How unenlightened! Let us never say a discouraging word about them. Instead, let us all join hands instead, and sing, "Kum-bay-yaaaaaaah, m'lord, kum-bay-yaaaaaaaaah! Kum-bay-yaaaaaaaaaaaah!

160 TalkinKamel  Sun, May 27, 2007 5:21:15pm

#157 Ledger

I think it's likely they were thinking something like that. Either that, or they were testing the waters so to speak, rehearsing a dry run.

(However, as Tantraman would doubtless assure us, voicing criticism, or angry feelings about these fellows, is just plain MEAN!)

161 TalkinKamel  Sun, May 27, 2007 5:26:05pm

#157 Ledger

Tantra would also tell us we have a tendency to overreact. Good goshers, I mean just because of 9/11, Richard Reid, the recent plot against the base in Virginia and any number of foiled plots since 9/11---well, gosh 'n gollies, that's no reason to be so suspicious, is it? That's just plain MEAN!

Let's all sing, instead: KUM-BAY-YAAAAAAH, MUH LORD, KUM-BAY-YAAAAAAH! KUM-BAY-YAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

(Of course, there's always "I'd like to teach the world to sing/in pur-fect har-moh-neee!" yadda, yadda, yadda. Whatever.)

162 cybermonk  Sun, May 27, 2007 5:27:01pm

#42 gymnast

I was hired as a TSA supervisor in september of 2002. They are to biggest bunch of idiots imagineable. Made up of hacks from FAA and the dreck of all other depts who couldn't wait to dump then off on FAA. Many had no clue about true security, obsessed with PC, afraid to scan middle eastern people, determined to search old ladies in wheelchairs. New regulations sprung up over night and then were changed the next day, it was chaos. After criticising management for constantly changing regs, almost daily and sometime twice in one day, I was shone the door. It was an unbelieveable cluster fuck. I only lasted 5 months. We called TSA, thousands standing around. Not much different now.

163 gymnast  Sun, May 27, 2007 5:50:31pm

To all who answered my questions, thanks. I was wondering since TSA claims a desire to recruit seniors for Part time positions as screeners and then finds reasons to place these persons on medical hold. The medical holds need to be cleared at the applicants own expense which can amount to several thousands of dollars of costs for exams with no likelyhood that the jobs would exist after the expenditure. The older applicants seem to be required to meet the same standards for physical fitness required for a military pilot. Repeateatly lift 70lbs, near perfect hearing, vision, and cardiac screening within one year.

164 BabbaZee  Sun, May 27, 2007 5:52:17pm

#162 cybermonk

I suspected as much.

Last time I flew me and a 200 year old Japanese woman were detained and searched and three middle eastern men were not.

I wear a big silver star of David, an antique cross, and a disc with Hebrew writing on it on a chain around my neck. It was spring and this chain was plainly visible.

Why were the old Japanese woman and me the ones searched while Achmed, Kaboom and Mo-harram sailed right through?

Ya.

165 Aussie Infidel  Sun, May 27, 2007 6:10:53pm

It's not that the TSA and Homeland Security are staffed by PC hacks. The REAL problem is that the managers and executives who run these functionally incompetent organizations are not bought to book by either the executive, the congress or the media.

In the end a nation gets the level of protection that it deserves.

If folks can't or won't start proceedings to kick the incompetents in the butt and get them removed from their little fifedoms then the hoi poloi deserve what will eventually happen to them.

I know it's hard but unless Joe Public stands and says "enough!" this nonsense will not only go on but will expand.

Next time you are put at risk by some bureaucrat with a PC agenda make it your task to use the 'system' against itself. Prior to boarding bring your security concerns to the PC idiot in charge. When they refuse to do anything make the 'system' pay... ask to be removed from the flight and re-booked on another flight. The Airline will have to hold the flight while they locate your bags and a delay will ensue. If enough peol,e do this then the airlines will go crying to the system as their on time departure stats go all to hell and they start bleeding money through lost departure slots and extra fuel costs. Use the system against itself to make your point.


If already aboard a flight where these low lifes are playing silly games, create a major security alert by telling crew that you feel that a security breach is aboiut to happen and ask that the miscreants be all moved down the back and isolated by the crew. Stand up and create a scene. Get as many fellow passengers as possible involved. Again if enough passengers do this the airlines will get the message through their pockets as endless post flight security de-briefings take place and crews are taken off line to attend investigations.

It's the $$$$$ where the 'system' is vulnerable. Two can play this game folks. Make your point to the PC morons inhabiting the executive positions in the airlines and the security services.

i know... I used to fly heavies on ultra-long haul sectors!

166 Caliredst8r  Sun, May 27, 2007 6:42:37pm

I was in the first group hired by the TSA, the first group of actual screeners. I don't remember the time frame, but they told us our class photo would go up on a wall somewhere in the TSA HQ as the first class to be trained.

Anyway, this was for BWI so I can't speak for people's experiences at other airports. But I recall the vast majority of us being ex-military, or ex-law enforcement, very committed, professional, and enthusiastic with no visible hiring for PC reasons or diversity's sake.

We f*ing profiled, we weren't supposed to of course, but we did. We had an unspoken code of winks, nods, facial expressions or otherwise discretely pointed out people to keep an eye on.

I lasted about 5 months or so, mainly because of my personal revulsion for having to invade the privacy of someone who obviously wasn't a threat.

Now when I travel I see that the TSA seems to have gone back to the hiring practices of the pre-9/11 days. All in all, though, I think the actions of the people on Flight 93 did more to discourage any would be imitators than any flight security measures we've implemented since 9/11.

167 EmeraldLakeEyes  Sun, May 27, 2007 7:04:40pm
TalkinKamel 5/27/2007 5:21:15 pm PDT

#157 Ledger

I think it's likely they were thinking something like that. Either that, or they were testing the waters so to speak, rehearsing a dry run.

(However, as Tantraman would doubtless assure us, voicing criticism, or angry feelings about these fellows, is just plain MEAN!)


Well, I for one am pissed and I'm not going to take it anymore. Throw them OUT!

168 samhein  Sun, May 27, 2007 7:24:22pm

It is obvious that the real mission of the DHS is to protect illegals and muslims from the American people.

169 gymnast  Sun, May 27, 2007 7:27:30pm

#165, Aussie Infidel. Bingo! It's all about the Benjamins, though I worry about the bright accountant who figures it's cheaper to dump a plane than respond to complaints.

#166, Caliredst8r. Were to required to obtain a Secret Clearance? This is SOP locally if not nationally.

170 Caliredst8r  Sun, May 27, 2007 7:33:11pm

#169 Gymnast


Hmm, to be honest I really don't remember about a secret clearance. But I do remember there were intensive background checks, they took quite a while to finish.

171 Aussie Infidel  Sun, May 27, 2007 8:01:15pm

#169 gymnast

You're probably right about the accountants.

I kicked the job into touch when the CEO said that it was ststistically acceptable to have a 'complete hull loss' in order to bring in new operating criteria. The rot really began in the airlines way back in the 1980s when the ex-pilots running the organizations were supplanted by the bean counters. Safety and the big dollars were seen as being a cost and therefore subject to 'cost reduction strategies'! ead safety costs $$$ and hell if you spend $300 million on safety so that an aircraft is not lost.... when the aircraft costs just $200 million... well you do the math!

Forget about having your wife and kids riding on these marginally safe operations and having to face the loss of family members. It's all about the BIG $$$$ folks as 'the beenies' keep telling us.

The airlines can only be brought to heel through their pockets and they will cry merry hell to the PC managers who 'run' (spit) the security services such as HLS and the like. Make the airlines bleed $$$ by refusing to ride with potential terrorists and using the 'system' to 'rain on their parade' . The kicks will go up the ladder until some PC half-wit running security gets his!

172 madmama  Sun, May 27, 2007 8:42:33pm

I just came back from China on Friday. The first person I saw when I went through the customs line in Chicago was an "official" named Achmed. I kid you not. That S.O.B. didn't even look me in the eye when he checked my passport. He was evil. I have a very good sense of who's good and who's bad.
Then the next guy I saw when I re-checked my bag to Fla. was a guy named Hassan.
WE ARE BEING INFILTRATED!
And now Babba Zee reports the same.
Something's definitely up.

173 Yankee Division Son  Sun, May 27, 2007 9:03:38pm
The suspicious incident was brought to HSOC’s attention by an inquiry from the White House Homeland Security Council.

What? The WH is actually paying attention and looking out for out saftey?

174 wargammer2005  Sun, May 27, 2007 9:23:37pm

it will take the deaths of millions in the next attack before the United States throws off the pathetic looser stragety the left has forced upon us all.

then all HELL will break loose and then all bets are off for the muslims and the leaders of the left like pelosi ,murtha, kennedy.

my wish it to live long enough to see clinton ,murtha, pelosi, kennedy tried for the treason they have committed.

175 AirForceWife  Sun, May 27, 2007 9:29:55pm

#77 JWM 5/27/2007 2:10:36 pm PDT


God forbid anyone should profile a bunch of mid eastern moslems acting suspiciously on an airliner.
JWM


Don't you know? That might cause a backlash against Muslims. We must stop at nothing to avoid that!

176 CLLRusso  Sun, May 27, 2007 10:28:23pm

We have a plan for defense when ever we fly. I always get picked by security for special scrutiny since I look so menacing, (I'm a little, blue eyed blond, but I can be mean as hell). Meanwhile Homeland Security is busy defending senior citizens against the bad pharmacies in Canada by snatching their perscription drugs from the mail!

What a crock of s**t this government is.

Now lets talk about immigration and get really upset!

177 Durendal  Sun, May 27, 2007 10:40:15pm

bolded text has Chertoff written all over it

178 Ledger1  Mon, May 28, 2007 1:55:02am

#160

I think it's likely they were thinking something like that. Either that, or they were testing the waters so to speak, rehearsing a dry run.

Yes, I think so too.

They practice infiltration and boarding tactics. Next, they practice a component construction of a bomb or other destructive device in the lavatory.

That would be a darn good dry run in the field.

#167

Well, I for one am pissed and I'm not going to take it anymore. Throw them OUT!

Yep, good idea!

179 Nahanni  Mon, May 28, 2007 4:48:10am

Northwest Airlines is based in Minneapolis, home of the American sharia and one of the largest bastions of San Francisco family values outside of the bay area.

It should come as no surprise that these kinds of Islamostunts are being tried on a Minneapolis based airline and at the Minneapolis airport. The Islamofascists know the local population will defend them. Personally I think these are all tests and feints because Al Qaida's M.O. is that they never do the same thing back to back.

The real worry is where is Adnan Al-Shukri ? He hasn't been seen since he tried renting a house in Austin, TX.

180 hiker  Mon, May 28, 2007 6:13:02am

A few posters have made comments about the possibility of another terrorist attack here in the U.S. The more I think about such a possibility, the more I think it is unlikely, mainly because he jihadis realize that their allies, the Democrats in general and the Left in particular are paving the way for an islamic takeover of the West. Why would the jihadis launch another terrorist attack and risk angering their allies? The jihadis know that all they have to do is sit back and let the Democrats and the Left do their job for them. The Democrats and the Left are uselful idiots to the jihadis. And, mark my words, the Democrat leadership has already been in direct contact with jihadis assuring them that in January, 2009 the Dims will control both houses of congress and the White House, and to just hold on till then.

181 hiker  Mon, May 28, 2007 6:22:01am

#180 continued

It all boils down to the fact that the Democrats and the Left do not see jihadis as an enemy; rather, they see Christians and Jews and conservatives as the enemy, even though there are Christians and Jews in the Democratic Party (but not very many in the Left).

182 jwbaumann  Mon, May 28, 2007 6:34:01am
... gathered all 13 suspicious passengers, interviewing two of them. An air marshal photocopied the passengers’ passports and visas. The names of the suspicious passengers were run through FBI databases, indicating the musical group’s promoter had been involved in a similar incident in January 2004. No other derogatory information was received, and all 13 of the men were released.

Jaw hits floor.

HEY FBI! When you have 13 "suspicious" people in custody, you interview ALL of them!

Separately!

And isn't that enough "derogatory" information to proceed further? What more do you want, a report that a 4th grade classmate accused Ahmed of looking at her funny?

Sheesh.

183 blackwater  Mon, May 28, 2007 8:21:17am

As nervous as albino penguins in a bowling alley. That is what dry run terrorists should be. They should feel the gaze of the passengers watching them. They should know they will be seen and reported.

That approach may make flying imams feel discriminated against, but ordinary passengers know when things just don't feel right - and they should be protected when they report their gut feeling that something is not quite right with the picture they have seen with their own eyes.

The gut feeling of ordinary passengers should not be taken as truth, but it means something and it should listened to. Ordinary people have an uncanny ability to see when everything is not as it should be - to sense whether that difference suggests danger.

It is comforting to see that photocopies were taken of all the passports of these carefree traveling minstrels. I would suspect that none of them will ever get a Visa to enter the USA again.

184 Perplexed  Mon, May 28, 2007 8:39:44am

I travel as part of my job. Since the beginning of this year if the trip is less than 500 miles one way, I drive. Screw TSA, DHS, and all of the others who make my life difficult for being an aging white male. I am on TSA's frequent complainer list and am well known at O'hare, Newark, Nashville, LA, MPLS, Rochester, for loudly voicing my concerns about incompetent boobs working for TSA.

Once I flew home after having had a kidney removed. I set off the metal detector (staples) and the goon wanted to pat me down. Wife complained and TSA goober told her to stand aside. I lifted my shirt and TSA goober got to see a fresh incision around 12" long running from just under my sternum to just under my rib cage. I thought the guy was going to puke.

Color me unimpressed with TSA security measures.

185 Excaliber  Mon, May 28, 2007 11:59:03am

...and we call this Agency , wooooo.. Homeland WHAT ? Security ?

uh ....does any one see a pattern here ?

BUT ....who does this Agency answer to ?

or better ....WHO APPOINTED THESE INCOMPETENT ASSHOLES ?

WHO was held accountable for the FAILURES of 9/11 ? [was ANYONE fired or demoted ? ....reprimanded ? , ...scolded ?]

You know folks , we're making these fucking barbarians look smart .

And themore I view these "security measures " , the more I see the likelihood of a small nuke or dirty bomb , going off in a US city .

WHAT will be the excuse then ?

Makes me wanna throw up both my hands and say ;


WHAT THE FUCK !


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