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Reuters Palestinian Propaganda Watch

Sat, Sep 1, 2007 at 2:05:03 pm PDT

Here’s some pure propaganda from al-Reuters in the Gaza Strip, starting with the headline, which avoids telling you how this “youth” was killed; if Israeli soldiers were to blame, even if the youth were armed to the teeth and bent on murder the headline would scream, “Israel Kills Teenage Palestinian!”

Instead we get: Palestinian youth killed in protest at Gaza border.

GAZA (Reuters) - A teenage Palestinian protester was killed as tens of thousands of Gazans demonstrated in the southern part of the strip on Saturday against the closure of a border crossing with Egypt.

The demonstration lasted several hours and broke up after dark, local security officials said.

Hospital staff named the dead as 17-year-old Mohammed Qdaih who was accidentally hit by a bullet fired by Hamas Executive Force officers trying to keep the crowd under control.

That last sentence is a real whopper. They were firing live ammunition to “keep the crowd under control,” but it’s somehow an “accident” that a bullet hit someone? When was the last time you saw Reuters give Israel the presumption of innocence like this?

That’s why we call them “al-Reuters.”

And Agence France Presse follows suit: Palestinian killed in Gaza border protest.

But for once, the Associated Press breaks ranks and actually publishes something like the truth: Hamas men kill teenager at border rally.

RAFAH, Gaza Strip - Hamas gunmen opened fire on their own supporters Saturday, killing a teenager at a protest on the Gaza-Egypt border, hospital officials said.

Tens of thousands of flag-waving Hamas supporters gathered at the Rafah border crossing with Egypt to demand it be reopened. The border, Gaza’s only gateway to Egypt, has been shut since Hamas’ bloody takeover of the Gaza Strip in June.

Hamas gunmen guarding the border fired in the air as hundreds of protesters tried to rush the border terminal and go into Egypt.

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1 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:07:55pm

Good going, AP.

2 lowandslow  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:08:14pm

Now why would CNN want to drop such an unbiased source such as al-Reuters?

3 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:08:45pm

Hey, Reuters! Still reeling from getting dumped by CNN?

4 Iron Fist  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:09:19pm

At least they were killing Palestinians. Kill them all, let G-d send them to Hell.

5 zombie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:10:36pm

Imagine if the US policed our southern border the way the Egypt and Hamas police their border.

We'd be hearing cries of "Genocide!" from sea to shining sea.

Every single nation on earth "gets a pass" -- except the US.

6 daughter of patriots  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:10:54pm

Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us. - Golda Meir

7 lowandslow  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:11:07pm

The guys at the AP must have wanted to get home and enjoy the long weekend instead of rewriting the story three times till it some what resembled the truth.

8 EC Marm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:11:13pm

re: #3 MandyManners

Hey, Reuters! Still reeling from getting dumped by CNN?

They're quiet today. Everyone's polishing their resume in MS Word.

9 pvoce  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:12:06pm

"Oh.....this was a DOVE hunt...."

10 Opinionated  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:12:25pm

And the really sad news. This dead kid was the mythical Palestinian who shared George Bush's mirage of two States, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace.

So now it's only George who believes that crap.

11 pat  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:13:41pm

The OJ defense.
I knifed both by accident.

12 DesertSage  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:15:49pm

re: #10 Opinionated

And the really sad news. This dead kid was the mythical Palestinian who shared George Bush's mirage of two States, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace.

So now it's only George who believes that crap.

Only George?
Give me the name of one leading Democrat that doesn't also believe it.

13 zombie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:16:16pm

Currently, at the right sidebar of LGF, there is that ad from "ThoseShirts.com" showing a brunette with sunglasses wearing a t-shirt that says "I survived roe v. wade," with the title "Right Shirts Done Right."

Now I'm confused. The shirts are, I suppose, sarcastic anti-abortion/pro-life shirts -- yes? But the girl is so sexy that her mere image will inspire more impassioned copulation and more unintended pregnancies.

How peculiar is it to use an attractive model to sell a product that's against abortion? Using sex to sell the notion that sex has consequences?

I'm trying to wrap my mind around this. So far, I haven't succeeded.

14 pastorius  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:17:01pm

The guy who wrote the AP piece is probably a Fatah guy.

15 jcm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:17:36pm

Doesn't everyone use live fire for crowd control?

16 humanity  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:18:05pm

Oh.. I still have video of that Pali shooting from a German sender.. wil upload it on Google Video...

anyways, Google Earth Flight Simulator is good...

[Link: googlesystem.blogspot.com...]

17 yah  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:18:43pm
Hamas gunmen opened fire on their own supporters ,

I thought I had heard of everything.

18 pastorius  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:18:58pm

The AP piece was written by IBRAHIM BARZAK

I've seen stuff by him before which, as I recall, was pretty biased.

Therefore, I think I am right that he's a Fatah guy.

Fatah and Hamas are having so much trouble with each other these days that they are not bothering with the illusion of unity anymore.

19 Opinionated  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:19:05pm

re: #12 DesertSage

Honest mistake. I never seriously pay attention to what Democrats think.

20 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:19:29pm

re: #8 EC Marm

re: #3 MandyManners


Hey, Reuters! Still reeling from getting dumped by CNN?

They're quiet today. Everyone's polishing their resume in MS Word.

They ain't got the brains to use WordPerfect?

21 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:19:38pm

re: #17 yah

Hamas gunmen opened fire on their own supporters ,

I thought I had heard of everything.

Maybe they called a fatwa on stupidiy!

22 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:20:14pm

No offense to those who don't use/like WP.

23 mnuez  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:20:29pm

Off topic so feel free to ignore -

Remember the "God's Warriors" program that granted the same two-hours worth to Islam, Judaism and Christianity and that was obviously intentionally done so in order to ridiculously compare the religious believers of each of the three faiths?

Well, I thought pretty much everyone recognized that CNN's slight of hand was absurd. I was wrong.

God's Stormtroopers

CNN recently began broadcasting a 6 hour series called "God's Warriors."

It's basically a documentary that showcases how god's interests and humanity's interests are diametrically opposed. A somewhat surprising, but certainly welcomed, admission from mainstream media.

posted by Aaron Kinney at 9:07 PM


which prompts this comment:


vjack said...

I was also happy to see that they gave Christian extremism equal time as Islamic extremism. It is about time we start realizing there is a threat right here at home.


To which I noted:

Wow. I just clicked on "comments" to make the exact opposite point. I think that the series sucks primarily BECAUSE they give Christianity, Judaism and Islam equal time as God's warriors. VJack's glee at our 'starting to realize there is a threat right here at home' is ridiculous. Of course there's a threat and we've always known there was a threat and that's why there's an ACLU and that's why Moore had to remove the Ten Commandments from the courtroom, etc. But you think that this sort of "threat" is IN ANY WHATSOEVER comparable to the non-"threat" but actual and REGULAR and WIDESPREAD violence that we see perpetrated by Muslims ALL OVER THE WORLD and that is generally considered acceptable by even more hundreds of millions of Muslims and that is often THE VERY LAW OF THE LAND in Islamic theocracies..?

I mean, sure, COULD theocratic Christians take control of the United States and start passing blatantly Christian laws? Highly HIGHLY unlikely, but as a bookie, I might give it a 1:100 chance of happening in the next ten years. COULD these laws start outlawing the practice of other religions? Against the EXPRESS and CLEAR first amendment? Almost certainly not, but again, as a bookie, I might play it at 1:100. That is, IF they took power. So I'd say there's about a 1/10,000 chance that America could go the way of Iran (or Sudan, or Saudi Arabia, or Gaza, etc.) within the next few years. But Islam already IS doing all of this in all of these places. In Sudan they still fuckin have slaves. In Gaza, foreigners are kidnapped on sight (even Islam-supporters like BBC's very own Alan Johnston). In Iran, women accused of pre-marital sex get hanged on cranes in city squares.

So vj, and to some lesser degree KTA, what the fuck are you TALKING about?

mnuez
www.mnuez.blogspot.com


P.S. I would have to revise America's odds of going sour to be slightly higher than the aforementioned ratio if God's "equal time" Islamic Warriors make another showing in the U.S. God's Islamic Warriors are not just a threat to America's physical security but a threat to our constitutional liberties as well. The only POSSIBLE chance some inbred shed-dwelling Christo-fascist has of seeing his sick dreams of a theocraticly Christian America come to pass would be if Muslims (through lots and lots and LOTS of big bombs) provoked it.

God's Christian Warriors are a problem.

God's Islamic Warriors are a bigger problem.

24 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:21:26pm

Haven't they ever heard of fire hoses to control crowds?

25 Iron Fist  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:22:38pm

re: #13 zombie,

You aren't a guy. Hot chick that would have been killed with abortion is a concept that resonates.

26 solomonpanting  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:24:04pm

Hamas gunmen opened fire on their own supporters Saturday

Surely it's a misprint, 'cause I just don't remember 'gunmen' intentionally firing on their own supporters before.

27 pass the moonbaticide  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:24:06pm

re: #13 zombie
Can't help but feel you're over-analysing that ad, zombie .
Just buy one. will you ?

28 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:24:10pm

re: #13 zombie

Currently, at the right sidebar of LGF, there is that ad from "ThoseShirts.com" showing a brunette with sunglasses wearing a t-shirt that says "I survived roe v. wade," with the title "Right Shirts Done Right."

Now I'm confused. The shirts are, I suppose, sarcastic anti-abortion/pro-life shirts -- yes? But the girl is so sexy that her mere image will inspire more impassioned copulation and more unintended pregnancies.

How peculiar is it to use an attractive model to sell a product that's against abortion? Using sex to sell the notion that sex has consequences?

I'm trying to wrap my mind around this. So far, I haven't succeeded.

Sexy doesn't mean no BC.

29 Ginn  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:24:28pm

re: #13 zombie

Currently, at the right sidebar of LGF, there is that ad from "ThoseShirts.com" showing a brunette with sunglasses wearing a t-shirt that says "I survived roe v. wade," with the title "Right Shirts Done Right."

Now I'm confused. The shirts are, I suppose, sarcastic anti-abortion/pro-life shirts -- yes? But the girl is so sexy that her mere image will inspire more impassioned copulation and more unintended pregnancies.

How peculiar is it to use an attractive model to sell a product that's against abortion? Using sex to sell the notion that sex has consequences?

I'm trying to wrap my mind around this. So far, I haven't succeeded.

Actually I don't think the ad is trying to sell the notion that sex has consequences. I think the ad is trying to sell the notion that abortion has consequences.

30 lowandslow  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:24:32pm

re: #13 zombie

You ponder that, I'm looking at the one that says Hippies Smell. ;)

31 EC Marm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:25:12pm

re: #13 zombie

How peculiar is it to use an attractive model to sell a product that's against abortion?

It's almost ingrained response among humans. If I wasn't so lazy I'd point you to some infant studies. Babies of either sex will coo contentedly when confronted with a pretty, symmetrical face. But pass that baby to Uncle Harry and they start wailing away. IMO, it's not so much sex as an automatic response being positive to the stimuli presented. While Helen Thomas' bumpy asymmetrical face might get attention, it also might immediately give an unfavorable initial reaction which is then tied to the product.

/ Not a shrink, but I play one on the web...

32 Dadzilla  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:25:33pm

That's why they can't find Osama Beans Laden, he's probably holed up in the Al Reuters newsroom.

33 insanity police  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:26:45pm

Palestinians get a free pass from the MSM when they murder, as do Arabs and Muslims.

But when Israel and America legitimately defend themselves, then the MSM is out for blood.

What a sad state of affairs.

34 pat  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:27:06pm

re: #29 Ginn

Ditto. The message is we need more girls like that, less abortion.

35 lowandslow  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:27:21pm

re: #23 mnuez

Nice comment.

36 mnuez  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:29:04pm

re: #35 lowandslow


Thanks :-)

37 Blackacre  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:30:21pm

Now when will those "human shields" rush in? I nominate any member of the ISM or the Rachel Corrie fan club to be the first to assume the role. Of course, they won't. Unlike the Israelis, the Palis don't use restraint, only brute force.

38 mondoreb  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:30:28pm

re: #10 Opinionated

And the really sad news. This dead kid was the mythical Palestinian who shared George Bush's mirage of two States, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace.
So now it's only George who believes that crap.

Never fear!
In the heart of every Democratic candidate beats a conviction that Palestinians are only people that Israelis they haven't met before.

George is not alone: lonely perhaps on the Republican side, but there is no end to the true-believers on the Democratic party.

39 mondoreb  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:32:04pm

re: #24 MandyManners

Haven't they ever heard of fire hoses to control crowds?

They're just thinking ahead.
Water is going to be almost impossible to find in the upcoming Global Warming catastrophe--except on the coast.

40 ted  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:33:59pm

"accidentally hit by a bullet fired by Hamas Executive Force officers trying to keep the crowd under control."

The extent to which the MSM will torture language and enter into psychotic thought processes to protect terrorists has no limits.

41 solomonpanting  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:34:29pm
Hospital staff named the dead as 17-year-old Mohammed Qdaih

BUT

Ahmed Eqdeh, 16, was mortally wounded and died after being taken to hospital.

Looks like one and the same to me.

42 mondoreb  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:34:39pm

re: #13 zombie

I'm trying to wrap my mind around this. So far, I haven't succeeded.

Zombie, you are so clear-thinking, I'm surprised that you equate someone who looks good, feels good and has the propect of fun comdemning abortion. Lot of good-looking young ladies at anti-abortion rallies.

I know: my daughters are three of them.

43 free  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:36:11pm

i find the last paragraph interesting, sounds to me like it wasnt a protest that these people were trying to escape gaza and flee to egypt.

"Hamas gunmen guarding the border fired in the air as hundreds of protesters tried to rush the border terminal and go into Egypt."

44 mondoreb  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:37:56pm

re: #32 Dadzilla

That's why they can't find Osama Beans Laden, he's probably holed up in the Al Reuters newsroom.

Or has a room at DNC headquarters.
Excellent observation.
It's a keeper!

45 Highrise  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:38:26pm

When I first heard of reuters way back when I barely listened to news...I thought of roto rooter.

I still do to this day....

What a name to pick.

46 ted  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:38:43pm

re: #39 mondoreb

re: #24 MandyManners


Haven't they ever heard of fire hoses to control crowds?

They're just thinking ahead.
Water is going to be almost impossible to find in the upcoming Global Warming catastrophe--except on the coast.


Wait...remember when the Gaza shit dam broke and 2,000,000,000 gallons of rawsewage exploded all over the place: maybe they have some leftover and can make water diarrhea cannons.

47 RTLM  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:40:36pm

re: #13 zombie
I've seen the ad - equated it with sassy. She looks very young too.

Damn I feel old

48 mondoreb  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:41:48pm

OT:

To keep me from wearing out the "New Comments" button,
(newsjunkie needs a fix)
here's a plug:

Democrats Rejoice Over Another Chance to Declare Defeat

49 mondoreb  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:43:03pm

re: #46 ted

Wait...remember when the Gaza shit dam broke and 2,000,000,000 gallons of rawsewage exploded all over the place: maybe they have some leftover and can make water diarrhea cannons.

Got any pix?

Ewwwwwwwwwwww!

50 EC Marm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:43:48pm

re: #20 MandyManners

They ain't got the brains to use WordPerfect?

I think I've used every word processing program at one time or another. If you ever saw the early versions of Word you'd have to say HTF did they ever get to be so popular? It was so pathetic, so inferior to WP, but in typical Bill Gates fashion he borrowed or stole the best features of everyone else and turned it around. But I think WP became the standard for legal firms early on and has probably stayed that way?

51 BartlebyTheScrivener  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:44:43pm

Has CAIR filed a formal complaint to the FCC of AP's Islamophobic hate speech with that headline and lead-in yet?

52 Q-Burn  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:45:22pm

re: #45 Highrise

When I first heard of reuters way back when I barely listened to news...I thought of roto rooter.

I still do to this day....

What a name to pick.

Origin of the name according to Wiki:

Paul Julius Reuter, born to a rabbi in Kassel, Germany, noticed that, with the electric telegraph, news no longer required days or weeks to travel long distances. In 1850, the 34-year-old Reuter was based in Aachen, Germany, close to the Dutch and Belgian border, and began using the newly opened Berlin–Aachen telegraph line to send news to Berlin. But there was a 76-mile gap in the line between Aachen and Brussels. Reuter spotted the opportunity to speed up news between Brussels and Berlin by using homing pigeons to bridge the gap in the line.

53 zombie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:45:41pm

re: #34 pat (and everyone):

But one of the major underpinnings of the anti-abortion movement is this:

If we tell young teenage girls that abortions are free, easy and legal, then they will get the message that society is giving them the green light to have casual sex. So if you want to discourage precocious promiscuity among young girls, we should set up a social system that conveys the message that sex has consequences.

In other words, one of the reasons to make abortion illegal again is that by doing so we will discourage premature sexuality.

Now, I understand that there are other reasons to be against abortion, the primary one being: all human life is sacred; embryos are a human life;thus to abort one is tantamount to murder. I get that. But the moonbat argument (which in this case I think is somewhat accurate) is that the "all embryos are human beings" claim is partly a justification for the social engineering aspect of banning abortion -- i.e. to dampen sexuality among the unmarried.

So, if we are to accept the argument that the anti-abortion movement is at least in part intending to decrease sexual activity among youngsters, then isn't it somewhat bass-ackwards and illogical to use a very sexy image to promote that idea?

After all, it is also argued that the overt sexuality of advertisements these days is one of the contributing factors to young teenage sexual promiscuity.

54 EC Marm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:48:06pm

Interesting:

Romney: 'Dramatic' retaliation to nuclear attack

NEWBERRY, S.C. (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney says that if terrorists detonated a nuclear bomb in a U.S. city while he was president he would retaliate "in a very dramatic and clear way."

link
/ He didn't use the word that begins with "M" and ends with "a" like Tom Tancredo. Funny how the Republicans get asked serious questions while the Dems kiss babies. It's gonna be LBJ vs. AUH2O all over again.

55 DesertSage  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:48:06pm

re: #53 zombie

Zombie, President Bush is out to get people like you. Bush vs. Zombies

56 Q-Burn  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:49:53pm

re: #53 zombie

They use sex to sell everything, even condoms, whodda thunk it?

57 ted  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:50:06pm

OT: Have you noticed now that the surge is working and the MSM no longer has IEDs, Iraqi and American casualties to report as much, an amazing coincidence has taken place. We are now losing in Afganistan just about the same time we are winning in Iraq:

Afghan Forces Lose Ground as Taliban Adapt


By DAVID ROHDE

Published: September 2, 2007

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan, Aug. 26 — Over the past six weeks, the Taliban have driven government forces out of roughly half of a strategic area in southern Afghanistan that American and NATO officials declared a success story last fall in their campaign to clear out insurgents and make way for development programs, Afghan officials say.

Tomas Munita for The New York Times

Taliban fighters are increasingly using roadside bombs, and in a recent attack in Kandahar, they destroyed an armored vehicle.
A year after Canadian and American forces drove hundreds of Taliban fighters from the area, the Panjwai and Zhare districts southwest of Kandahar, the rebels are back and have adopted new tactics. Carrying out guerrilla attacks after NATO troops partly withdrew in July, they overran isolated police posts and are now operating in areas where they can mount attacks on Kandahar, the south’s largest city.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

58 pegcity  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:50:07pm

Fuck Europe period.

Do you think the average person knows they have 10 years left before its sarjevo time?

60 mondoreb  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:51:15pm

re: #52 Q-Burn

Paul Julius Reuter, born to a rabbi in Kassel, Germany, noticed that, with the electric telegraph, news no longer required days or weeks to travel long distances.

Thanks for the refresher! I knew it was Reuter, but I thought he was an Englishman for some reason. Now I know!

61 zombie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:51:53pm

re: #42 mondoreb

re: #13 zombie

I'm trying to wrap my mind around this. So far, I haven't succeeded.
Zombie, you are so clear-thinking, I'm surprised that you equate someone who looks good, feels good and has the propect of fun comdemning abortion. Lot of good-looking young ladies at anti-abortion rallies.

I know: my daughters are three of them.

I'm sure your daughters are very good-looking. But I doubt they dress up especially sexily when going to anti-abortion rallies. There's a difference between being naturally attractive and self-confident (your daughters) and being intentionally provocatively sexual (the girl in the ad).

62 leepro  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:51:54pm

OK, folks. Look at Palestinian Child Abuse (LGF, two stories back), then this story...

Question: Connection?

Answer: Duh!

How can they recruit children, and then complain when they get shot?

63 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:52:44pm

re: #53 zombie

I agree. I hate the idea of Sex Ed. in schools. I think if most parents took responsibility and took time to speak to their kids it would be better. I love it how the school systems gives sex ed (and talks about various positions how to do it etc etc) and then says "Don't do it!".... and they give free condoms or prescriptions for the pill from the school nurse. Oh yeah.. way to go for preaching and promotin abstinence. They don't teach Sex ed in the Turkish school system... if girls get pregnant while they're in school, they can't actively attend school and have to finish via the "Open highschool" system. My coworkers were shocked when I told them that one of the highschool where I worked at had so many unmarried teenage mothers they opened a daycare.

64 daughter of patriots  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:53:24pm

14 "Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, O Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I show myself holy through you before their eyes. - Ezekial 38:14-16

65 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:54:30pm

Reuters reporting from the ME uses Israel Double Standard Rules. Once you know the rules, you'll know how to read the headlines.

Hamas uses live ammo because they don't believe in nonlethal or half measures. If they've got a gun, they're going to use it. Whether it's against Israel or the Fatah thugs.

66 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:54:33pm

re: #58 pegcity

Fuck Europe period.

Do you think the average person knows they have 10 years left before its sarjevo time?

Peg, most Europeans with any sense do. I'll have to do some digging on statistics but there are now just as many people LEAVING the UK to live in o ther parts of the world than are immigrating there. I am starting to see more and more "Green card" agency ads on German TV.

67 ornery elephant  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:54:36pm

News in 2007:

Story - Geraldo Riviera threatens to spit on Michele Malkin

Probable reporting of Story:

New York Times: "Fox News reporter threatens battery"

CNN: " Michele Malkin under assault for latest controversy"

Reuters: " Geraldo Riviera reacts to Right Wing persecution "

68 zombie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:54:39pm

re: #55 DesertSage

re: #53 zombie

Zombie, President Bush is out to get people like you. Bush vs. Zombies

Yeah, people have been sending me that link for two weeks. Funny as hell!

70 Highrise  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:56:36pm

re: #63 baconeatingkaffir


I'm sickened that we have let our schools degrade into propaganda machines. The ones in California are nothing but a joke. You play russian roulette with your child's mind and soul when you send them to one. You may get lucky, you may not.

Not a chance I am willing to take. Not by a long shot. Thank the Lord literally that California is a HUGE homeschooling state...I see why now. Homeschooling here is flourishing for a reason.

71 zombie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:57:00pm

re: #56 Q-Burn

re: #53 zombie

They use sex to sell everything, even condoms, whodda thunk it?

Yes, but in this case they're using sex to sell...celibacy.

Using sex to sell condoms -- that makes sense. But using sex to sell the notion that sex should be avoided? Hmmmm...

72 Highrise  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:57:46pm

re: #71 zombie


/agreed

odd

73 DesertSage  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:58:22pm

re: #68 zombie

re: #55 DesertSage

re: #53 zombie

Zombie, President Bush is out to get people like you. Bush vs. Zombies

Yeah, people have been sending me that link for two weeks. Funny as hell!

I'm always behind the curve. I guess I just don't do enough web surfing?

74 Suzette  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 2:58:59pm

re: #53 zombie

After all, it is also argued that the overt sexuality of advertisements these days is one of the contributing factors to young teenage sexual promiscuity.

Actually you are right.

75 lawhawk  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:00:13pm

re: #62 leepro

Kids are cannon fodder and propaganda. Hamas will turn around and say that the kids who died were martyrs and died because Israel prevented the Palestinians from running all of where Israel exists, Gaza and the West Bank. They'll further blame Israel for infiltrating Fatah to start a Palestinian civil war.

So, you see - everything can be blamed on Israel... everything... /wish it wasn't true - but the Palestinians will spin everything this way to suit their purposes.

76 Q-Burn  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:01:13pm

re: #71 zombie

Yeah it reminds me a bit of Philip Morris's "anti-teen smoking" ads.

77 cdncheese  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:01:44pm

OT: But very cool. Sorry if this has been posted before but there's a flight simulator in Google Earth! Instructions here. In Google Earth, Ctl-Alt-Capital A starts the flight Sim with a choice of two different aircraft.

Back to playing er "practicing" again...right now I'm flying the SR22.

78 RTLM  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:03:59pm

I took the fam to Disneyland yesterday and rode the Nemo submarines.
They're the original subs from 1959! - refurbed to yellow splendor

79 Suzette  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:04:27pm

re: #63 baconeatingkaffir

re: #63 baconeatingkaffir

re: #53 zombie

I agree. I hate the idea of Sex Ed. in schools. I think if most parents took responsibility and took time to speak to their kids it would be better. I love it how the school systems gives sex ed (and talks about various positions how to do it etc etc) and then says "Don't do it!".... and they give free condoms or prescriptions for the pill from the school nurse. Oh yeah.. way to go for preaching and promotin abstinence. They don't teach Sex ed in the Turkish school system... if girls get pregnant while they're in school, they can't actively attend school and have to finish via the "Open highschool" system. My coworkers were shocked when I told them that one of the highschool where I worked at had so many unmarried teenage mothers they opened a daycare.

The type of sex ed they are teaching has worked out real well hasn't it?
Unwed teenage girls are on the rise not on the decrease. But getting married then having children and all that well---that is just so 'old school'. /heavy sacrasm here
Children are growing up in strange ways now days.

80 zombie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:04:30pm

re: #63 baconeatingkaffir

re: #53 zombie

I agree. I hate the idea of Sex Ed. in schools. I think if most parents took responsibility and took time to speak to their kids it would be better. I love it how the school systems gives sex ed (and talks about various positions how to do it etc etc) and then says "Don't do it!".... and they give free condoms or prescriptions for the pill from the school nurse. Oh yeah.. way to go for preaching and promotin abstinence.

In SF Bay Area schools, it's exactly the same, with one crucial difference: instead of saying "Don't do it!" they say, "Why aren't you doing it yet?"

They don't teach Sex ed in the Turkish school system... if girls get pregnant while they're in school, they can't actively attend school and have to finish via the "Open highschool" system. My coworkers were shocked when I told them that one of the highschool where I worked at had so many unmarried teenage mothers they opened a daycare.

One high school in the Bay Area actually had so many teenage mothers that they had to cancel the music program to pay for the massive school daycare center.

81 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:05:19pm

re: #45 Highrise

Roto-Reuters - So I can Flush with Confidence.

82 EC Marm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:05:58pm

re: #71 zombie
Which image left or right, is gonna sell t-shirts? I doubt that the analysis that you are putting into it was ever considered. It was more like, what has worked in the past?

83 zombie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:06:05pm

re: #70 Highrise

re: #63 baconeatingkaffir


I'm sickened that we have let our schools degrade into propaganda machines. The ones in California are nothing but a joke. You play russian roulette with your child's mind and soul when you send them to one. You may get lucky, you may not.

Not a chance I am willing to take. Not by a long shot. Thank the Lord literally that California is a HUGE homeschooling state...I see why now. Homeschooling here is flourishing for a reason.

You are extremely wise!

Take it from Highrise and me, folks: HOMESCHOOL, especially if you live in California. The brainwashing in public schools is relentless and insidious.

84 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:06:55pm

re: #80 zombie

What would happen if they changed laws where married students or single mothers could no longer attend highschool? My c oworkers explained it to me like this "If your'e adult enough to make a baby or to get married.. you obviously dont' need to go to school anymore because yo have to support your family". Then again, it happens so rare here, the family structure is still intact. I hope it stays taht way.

85 leepro  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:07:23pm

re: #75 lawhawk

re: #62 leepro

Kids are cannon fodder and propaganda. Hamas will turn around and say that the kids who died were martyrs and died because Israel prevented the Palestinians from running all of where Israel exists, Gaza and the West Bank. They'll further blame Israel for infiltrating Fatah to start a Palestinian civil war.

So, you see - everything can be blamed on Israel... everything... /wish it wasn't true - but the Palestinians will spin everything this way to suit their purposes.

Exactly! That was my point!

86 Mike in Georgia  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:07:53pm

re: #80 zombie
I don't care what she's got on her shirt, she's what I want for
Christmas. Come on Santa please, please. I've been a good boy.
drool, slobber, pant, please

87 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:07:57pm
88 Hawaiian cocoNUT  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:09:04pm

Acc. to Debkafile (see below), Hamas organized this demonstration and plans to launch more of them. So why shooting their own? To demonstrate to the Egyptian and International forces that everything is under control but might not be so in the future- very Hamaesque indeed.

DEBKAfile Exclusive: Hamas opens fire on tens of thousands of Palestinians protesting Saturday against Egypt’s closure of Rafah exit from Gaza

September 1, 2007, 9:57 PM (GMT+02:00)

The Hamas Executive Force physically prevented the demonstrators from smashing through the crossing to the Egyptian side of the border. A teenage protester was critically wounded. Hamas’ change of face, after calling on Gazan Palestinians to rally en masse and smash break through the gateway, was partly in response to Cairo’s warning that beefed-up Egyptian border forces would open fire on intruders. Hamas also sought to show Cairo, which closed the Rafah crossing down after Hamas’ June takeover of the Gaza Strip, that it was in full control and capable of launching mass assaults on Egyptian territory if Cairo continued to boycott the Hamas regime in Gaza.

DEBKAfile’s sources report a further round of Fatah-Hamas violence in Gaza. Friday, Fatah groups were beaten up demonstrating outside Gaza’s mosques. At least 20 were hundred and scores detained. Saturday, Hamas released 170 Fatah detainees after shaving their heads to humiliate them and making them to post bail of about $250 each.

Also Saturday, Hamas accused Fatah gunmen of blowing up the car of an unnamed senior Hamas officer.

Thursday, DEBKAfile reported exclusively:

Hamas plans to use 100,000 protesters against the hardships in Gaza, which are blamed on Egypt’s closure of the Rafah outlet, as a battering ram to break through the crossing Saturday and link up with fellow Palestinians in Egyptian N. Sinai. Hamas will then seize both sides of the border including a part of Sinai. Egypt has set up a two-line deployment between Rafah and El Arish to halt the Palestinian influx. Some units are armed with gear for crowd dispersal.

The US National Guard unit manning the Multinational Force Organization’s Al Gorah headquarters in el Arish has declared a high alert and pulled in reinforcements from Sharm el-Sheikh after receiving intelligence of a plan to attack them under cover of the Gaza demonstration. Israel has also built up strength at the Kerem Shalom crossing to Gaza and Egypt opposite the Philadelphi border strip.

Fears of extreme violence overtaking Gaza Saturday have been fanned by a Fatah decision, revealed here by DEBKAfile’s military sources, to take advantage of Hamas’ preoccupation with crashing the Rafah crossing to recover positions grabbed by Hamas two months ago.

Conditions in Gaza are so desperate that Hamas leaders believe they have nothing to lose by extreme measures to break the siege – even at the risk of heavy casualties from Egyptian fire. To avoid a bloodbath Saturday, Cairo would be forced to resume contacts with Hamas leaders. This would create a breach in the international boycott against them.

89 Abu Bin Squid  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:13:39pm

#82 eC mARM
After seeing that picture, I'm stayin' dressed 24/7. Just in case.

90 zombie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:14:44pm

re: #82 EC Marm

re: #71 zombie
Which image left or right, is gonna sell t-shirts? I doubt that the analysis that you are putting into it was ever considered. It was more like, what has worked in the past?

Wow -- instantaneous and excellent Photoshop job!

Yes, you are correct that the image on the left will sell more shirts, but...it still ends up being borderline mildly hypocritical.

There are many ways to sell things -- using sexual temptation is only one gimmick. Yes, the most successful gimmick -- but not the only one.

One doesn't need to choose between hyper-sexual (the existing ad) and hyper-revolting (Helen Thomas) as the only options.

But I think #27 pass the moonbaticide was correct in saying, "Can't help but feel you're over-analysing that ad, zombie." You're right. Ignore everything I've said on this thread so far, and replace it with, "Dat chick is HAWT!"

91 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:15:00pm
An Egyptian man forced his 20-year-old wife to be circumcised after a year of marriage, resulting in her hospitalization for acute bleeding, the state-run news agency reported Saturday.

When her husband started beating her, Ashgan Riyadh Abdelati fled to her mother's house. Once there, however, her mother brought in a doctor to conduct the illegal operation on the spot, said the news report.


Yeowwwww.

92 Thanos  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:15:20pm

If you noted the Yahoo photo stream earlier they also had the French journalist shot by Hamas bracketed by photos of the protest at the Israeli border where nobody received a scratch. Strange way to mix photos n'est ce pas?


Also is this Dearhunter Redux now that we had Platoon Redux yesterday?

93 Mike in Georgia  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:15:39pm

Darn, did I kill it?

94 Geepers  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:15:57pm

ted (#57),

Afghan Forces Lose Ground as Taliban Adapt

That New York Times article is an attempt to counter the truth: the taliban is getting the shit kicked out of it.

Coalition Kills More Than 100 Insurgents in Afghanistan Engagement

WASHINGTON, Aug. 29, 2007 – Afghan national security forces advised by coalition forces killed more than 100 insurgent fighters in a battle that started this morning and still continues in the northern part of Afghanistan’s Kandahar province, military officials reported.
The combined force was on a combat patrol five miles south of Chenartu Village when it were attacked by a large group of insurgents from reinforced fighting positions using small arms, heavy machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars. Throughout the battle, insurgents continued to reinforce the area, engaging Afghan government forces in an attempt to overrun their position.
The Afghan-led force used small arms and crew-served weapons to repel the enemy attack while calling for close-air support, which destroyed the enemy hilltop positions with bombing runs. Coalition aircraft destroyed the reinforced enemy emplacements and sniper positions as well as two trucks used to reinforce and resupply the insurgent force.

One Afghan security force member was killed in the battle.

Troops Kill 11 Insurgents in Attack on Afghanistan Base

BAGRAM AIR BASE, Afghanistan, Aug. 30, 2007 – Elements of the 1st Brigade, 205th Afghan National Army Corps, along with coalition forces, repelled a direct attack on Firebase Anaconda in Afghanistan’s Oruzgan province today, killing 11 of the attackers.
Insurgents attacked the base from multiple directions with 72 mm rockets, small arms and heavy machine gun fire, officials said. Coalition close-air support conducted precision air strikes, successfully destroying the enemy fighters.
This was the fourth attack on Firebase Anaconda this month. An estimated 74 insurgents were killed in the previous attacks on the base.

Two coalition servicemembers were slightly wounded in the engagement. Both have returned to duty, officials said. There were no reports of civilians being injured or killed in the attack.

Failed Attack Leaves 12 Taliban Dead in Afghanistan

WASHINGTON, Aug. 31, 2007 – Afghan national security forces, advised by coalition forces, defeated an insurgent attack yesterday near Regay Village on the east side of the Musa Qalah Wadi in Afghanistan’s Helmand province.

The combined force was on a combat patrol when insurgents attacked from multiple compounds and trenches using small-arms fire, 82 mm mortars and rocket-propelled grenades.

The Afghan forces repelled the attack with accurate small-arms fire and artillery. When the insurgents reinforced their fighting positions with additional fighters, Afghan forces requested coalition close-air support. Coalition aircraft performed precision air strikes on the insurgents, killing a number of fighters and destroying a truck that was being used as reinforcement transport. Several more insurgents were killed by direct fire during the engagement.

“The Taliban have continued to attack the Afghan national security forces and coalition forces,” said Army Capt. Vanessa R. Bowman, a Combined Joint Task Force 82 spokeswoman. “The insurgents in the Musa Qalah area are becoming desperate as the (Afghan) and coalition forces continue to find, fix and destroy them along with their (improvised explosive device) facilities and illegal drug labs.”

As are their allies at the New York Times.

95 EC Marm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:16:48pm

Okay, I hear 5 rials, one owner only
Who's gonna make it 10 rials
Okay 10, finest Persian rug, gimme 15?
15 rials, going once...
/DinnerJacket pic of the day

96 bald headed geek  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:17:09pm

Huh! AP must not have received the memo from the Palestinians as to how the headline and article should have been written.

I'm sure that they'll do better next time.........

BHG

97 Piglet-U93  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:18:41pm

It seems not too many noticed that Hamas supporters were trying to LEAVE Gaza. Hamas was just encouraging their supporters in their usual gentle Islamic way to stay.

The consequence of electing murders who emluate Mohammad.

98 Thanos  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:19:39pm

re: #94 Geepers

ted (#57),

Afghan Forces Lose Ground as Taliban Adapt

That New York Times article is an attempt to counter the truth: the taliban is getting the shit kicked out of it.

Coalition Kills More Than 100 Insurgents in Afghanistan Engagement


WASHINGTON, Aug. 29, 2007 – Afghan national security forces advised by coalition forces killed more than 100 insurgent fighters in a battle that started this morning and still continues in the northern part of Afghanistan’s Kandahar province, military officials reported.
The combined force was on a combat patrol five miles south of Chenartu Village when it were attacked by a large group of insurgents from reinforced fighting positions using small arms, heavy machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars. Throughout the battle, insurgents continued to reinforce the area, engaging Afghan government forces in an attempt to overrun their position.
The Afghan-led force used small arms and crew-served weapons to repel the enemy attack while calling for close-air support, which destroyed the enemy hilltop positions with bombing runs. Coalition aircraft destroyed the reinforced enemy emplacements and sniper positions as well as two trucks used to reinforce and resupply the insurgent force.

One Afghan security force member was killed in the battle.


Troops Kill 11 Insurgents in Attack on Afghanistan Base

BAGRAM AIR BASE, Afghanistan, Aug. 30, 2007 – Elements of the 1st Brigade, 205th Afghan National Army Corps, along with coalition forces, repelled a direct attack on Firebase Anaconda in Afghanistan’s Oruzgan province today, killing 11 of the attackers.
Insurgents attacked the base from multiple directions with 72 mm rockets, small arms and heavy machine gun fire, officials said. Coalition close-air support conducted precision air strikes, successfully destroying the enemy fighters.
This was the fourth attack on Firebase Anaconda this month. An estimated 74 insurgents were killed in the previous attacks on the base.

Two coalition servicemembers were slightly wounded in the engagement. Both have returned to duty, officials said. There were no reports of civilians being injured or killed in the attack.


Failed Attack Leaves 12 Taliban Dead in Afghanistan
WASHINGTON, Aug. 31, 2007 – Afghan national security forces, advised by coalition forces, defeated an insurgent attack yesterday near Regay Village on the east side of the Musa Qalah Wadi in Afghanistan’s Helmand province.
The combined force was on a combat patrol when insurgents attacked from multiple compounds and trenches using small-arms fire, 82 mm mortars and rocket-propelled grenades.

The Afghan forces repelled the attack with accurate small-arms fire and artillery....

They are also playing that game at the AP, trying to make this year's offensive seem much larger than last year's when in fact it's much less intense.
[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

99 Iron Fist  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:19:50pm

re: #53 zombie,

The whole point is sexual. I surrvived Roe v. Wade.

I surrvived. That is the message.

Lots of PEOPLE didn't. Surrvive, that is.

Lots of them.

100 Mike in Georgia  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:21:09pm

re: #97 Piglet-U93

That's the first thing I noticed. Kinda like a wall they used to have in
Berlin.

101 Geepers  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:28:20pm

Thanos (#98),

They are also playing that game at the AP, trying to make this year's offensive seem much larger than last year's when in fact it's much less intense.

The war reporting is anything but. How many years now has the taliban been regrouping stronger than ever? Kinda strange that they haven't taken Kabul yet isn't it?

102 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:28:54pm

Iranian hip hop

One of them has a crucifix as bling.

103 Piglet-U93  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:30:49pm

re: #100 Mike in Georgia

re: #97 Piglet-U93

That's the first thing I noticed. Kinda like a wall they used to have in
Berlin.

Egypt and Israel both do not want them (especially Splodeydopes) in their countries. I know Israel has a wall but is there a wall between Egypt and Gaza?

104 markie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:33:22pm

re: #91 ibmkeyboard

Thanks a whole fricken lot, Mom...

105 Pope Insouciance IV  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:33:40pm

Zombie,
If you somehow cost us the hot chick ad, you're in big trouble, my friend.
I swear, up until today, I didn't even bother to read the writing on her shirt.

Now if you'll excuse me, I want to get back to the Hamas Executive Force. Is that how you train to become a Hamas CEO?

106 Thanos  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:33:52pm

re: #101 Geepers

Thanos (#98),

They are also playing that game at the AP, trying to make this year's offensive seem much larger than last year's when in fact it's much less intense.

The war reporting is anything but. How many years now has the taliban been regrouping stronger than ever? Kinda strange that they haven't taken Kabul yet isn't it?

Yep, also strange that the Taliban's being pounded all along the border instead of roaming the country freely as they did in past.

107 ted  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:34:45pm

Charles:

It seems Pali stringer reads LGF, changes headline.:

Hamas men kill teenager at border rally By IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writer
Sat Sep 1, 3:31 PM ET


RAFAH, Gaza Strip - Hamas gunmen opened fire on their own supporters Saturday, killing a teenager at a protest on the Gaza-Egypt border, hospital officials said.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
ADVERTISEMENT

Tens of thousands of flag-waving Hamas supporters gathered at the Rafah border crossing with Egypt to demand it be reopened. The border, Gaza's only gateway to Egypt, has been shut since Hamas' bloody takeover of the Gaza Strip in June.

108 Ginn  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:35:51pm

re: #99 Iron Fist

re: #53 zombie,

The whole point is sexual. I surrvived Roe v. Wade.

I surrvived. That is the message.

Lots of PEOPLE didn't. Surrvive, that is.

Lots of them.

Agreed!

Hi Iron!

109 markie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:35:57pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

I wonder how many folks in Iran would become America lovers, left to their own devices? They sure like our commercialized culture...

110 ted  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:36:27pm

re: #98 Thanos

Exactly.

111 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:36:29pm

Someone call Niel Young.

"Four Dead in Ohio" was an accident.

/Liberal apologists for Islamic fascism should attempt to maintain a consistent historical narrative.

112 Thanos  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:36:47pm

RoP strikes in Thailand

Three people, including a soldier, were shot dead by suspected militants in separate attacks in Thailand's restive Muslim-majority south, police said Saturday.
A 22-year-old soldier was gunned down in an ambush Saturday in Pattani, one of three troubled provinces bordering Malaysia, and a 22-year-old university student was killed in a drive-by shooting in the province in the afternoon.

In nearby Narathiwat, a 43-year-old Muslim man was shot dead late Friday while walking.

More than 2,500 people have been killed since the insurgency broke out in the region in January 2004.

Malaysian Paper Apologizes for Smoking Jesus

113 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:38:36pm

#90 Zombie

Yes, you are correct that the image on the left will sell more shirts, but...it still ends up being borderline mildly hypocritical.

I disagree. I think the ad is brilliant. If it says anything at all about sex (and that's not the message I got), it says sex created this beautiful person and abortion could have taken her away like it did millions of other children.

114 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:39:24pm

re: #109 markie

re: #102 Killgore Trout

I wonder how many folks in Iran would become America lovers, left to their own devices? They sure like our commercialized culture...

Markie... more than you would imagine! Although I live in Turkey, I've had several Iranians in my classes. Most of them have relatives in the US (due to the past connections between our two countries) and are very very modern. I have hope that this younger generation will get tired of the mullahs. The ones who I have dealt with have been quite open-minded and modern thinking. I actually watched an Iranian girl debate with a headscarved girl in my class. "You say that you want Shariat in this country, but do you know how it is to live under shariat?" It was quite a conversation!

115 markie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:39:50pm

At least a few people in Malaysia seem able to apply sensitivities evenly.

I really do think it was not intentional. Have you seen how much smoking goes on in Asia?

116 Thanos  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:40:53pm

Laura Bush speaks out at UN on Myanmar's Maoist Military Junta's repression of democracy and human rights:

A day after US President George W. Bush strongly condemned the arrests of pro-democracy activists protesting against a massive hike in fuel prices in the Southeast Asian state, his wife Laura Bush on Friday called on UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to push the Security Council to act.

In a rare political intervention by the wife of the US president, the First Lady also asked Ban to join the United States in condemning the junta's "brutal crackdown," her press secretary Sally McDonough said in a statement.

"Mrs Bush noted that by staying quiet, the United Nations -- and all nations -- condone these abuses," McDonough said as top American lawmakers also urged Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to demand Security Council action.

117 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:40:54pm

re: #109 markie

Many of them already love us, believe it or not.

118 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:41:38pm

'Hamas Executive Force Officer', sounds like he owns shares in something...

This polysyllabic pseudo speak by the MSM is such a joke...

119 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:42:11pm

re: #39 mondoreb

re: #24 MandyManners


Haven't they ever heard of fire hoses to control crowds?

They're just thinking ahead.
Water is going to be almost impossible to find in the upcoming Global Warming catastrophe--except on the coast.

Thrifty Hamassholes.

120 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:42:18pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Did you read what I posted earlier? I had one of my Iranian students who wanted me to come to Iran as his guest. It seems that they have some rather cool house parties. Women and men are frowned upon from being togther in public but in private residences, it's another story. he told me that they smuggle liquor in or produce their own.

121 ted  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:42:43pm

MSM Begins to Panic and lie even more:

More than 1,800 Iraqis killed in August

By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer
Sat Sep 1, 3:15 PM ET


BAGHDAD - Civilian deaths rose in August to their second-highest monthly level this year, according to figures compiled Saturday by The Associated Press. That raises questions about whether U.S. strategy is working days before Congress receives landmark reports that will decide the course of the war.



At least 81 American service members also died in Iraq during August —an increase of two over the previous month but well below the year's monthly high of 126 in May. American deaths surpassed the 80 mark during only two months of 2006.

U.S. military officials have insisted that the security plan launched early this year have brought a decrease in attacks on civilians and sectarian killings, especially in the Baghdad area, which was the focus of the new strategy.

The top American commander, Gen. David Petraeus, is expected to cite security improvements when he and Ambassador Ryan Crocker submit reports on progress toward stability and national reconciliation to Congress during the week of Sept. 10.

However, figures compiled by the AP from police reports nationwide show that at least 1,809 civilians were killed across the country last month compared with 1,760 in July. That brings to 27,564 the number of Iraqi civilians killed since AP began collecting data on April 28, 2005.


[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

122 The Albatross  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:43:34pm

Re: The AP... is it possible that the worm is beginning to turn? Be still my heart.

123 Thanos  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:44:10pm

re: #121 ted

MSM Begins to Panic and lie even more:

More than 1,800 Iraqis killed in August

By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer
Sat Sep 1, 3:15 PM ET

BAGHDAD - Civilian deaths rose in August to their second-highest monthly level this year, according to figures compiled Saturday by The Associated Press. That raises questions about whether U.S. strategy is working days before Congress receives landmark reports that will decide the course of the war.

At least 81 American service members also died in Iraq during August —an increase of two over the previous month but well below the year's monthly high of 126 in May. American deaths surpassed the 80 mark during only two months of 2006.

U.S. military officials have insisted that the security plan launched early this year have brought a decrease in attacks on civilians and sectarian killings, especially in the Baghdad area, which was the focus of the new strategy.

The top American commander, Gen. David Petraeus, is expected to cite security improvements when he and Ambassador Ryan Crocker submit reports on progress toward stability and national reconciliation to Congress during the week of Sept. 10.

However, figures compiled by the AP from police reports nationwide show that at least 1,809 civilians were killed across the country last month compared with 1,760 in July. That brings to 27,564 the number of Iraqi civilians killed since AP began collecting data on April 28, 2005.


[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Five hundred of that figure came from the Al Qaeda Yazidi massacre, which of course they are not going to point out.

124 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:44:42pm

re: #50 EC Marm

re: #20 MandyManners


They ain't got the brains to use WordPerfect?

I think I've used every word processing program at one time or another. If you ever saw the early versions of Word you'd have to say HTF did they ever get to be so popular? It was so pathetic, so inferior to WP, but in typical Bill Gates fashion he borrowed or stole the best features of everyone else and turned it around. But I think WP became the standard for legal firms early on and has probably stayed that way?

WP has been the program at the firms I've worked with, especially the Legal mode. It's really great at formatting paragraphs.

Gotta' go. The water is boiling and the pasta is willing.

125 Mike in Georgia  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:44:47pm

re: #103 Piglet-U93
I don't know what kind of barrier they have at the crossing. But it
seems to be closed and no one can cross. I don't know whether Egypt
closed it or Hammas. But why are people protesting in Gaza. They seem
to want out and their government doesn't want them to leave. Don't really
understand what is going on. But then I'm just an old dummy and don't
care what they do to each other. It seems to keep them occupied shooting each other.

127 markie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:46:04pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

I wonder if there are any Christians left in Iran, or if most left at the outset of the current neuroses? When I read awhile back that university students were rebelling against the mullahs, favoring a more pro-US approach, it just floored me. How things change when you're busy with a career and raising kids.

128 The Albatross  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:46:14pm

Eek - (I just uploaded and saw Comment 121)

Nevermind.

In a den of theves, murders, and felons... how many of these "civilians" are legitimate and who is making the determination?

129 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:46:25pm

re: #114 baconeatingkaffir

re: #109 markie


re: #102 Killgore Trout

I wonder how many folks in Iran would become America lovers, left to their own devices? They sure like our commercialized culture...


Markie... more than you would imagine! Although I live in Turkey, I've had several Iranians in my classes. Most of them have relatives in the US (due to the past connections between our two countries) and are very very modern. I have hope that this younger generation will get tired of the mullahs. The ones who I have dealt with have been quite open-minded and modern thinking. I actually watched an Iranian girl debate with a headscarved girl in my class. "You say that you want Shariat in this country, but do you know how it is to live under shariat?" It was quite a conversation!


I totally agree. We are acquainted with some Iranians as well. One of them is an Iranian/Kurdistan/Jew. Thank God he is here in the U.S. Can you imagine what life would be like for him under Sharia law.....he probably wouldn't even be alive, come to think of it.

130 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:48:43pm

re: #120 baconeatingkaffir

Videos of those parties show up on liveleak sometimes. Very fashionably dressed young men and women drinking cocktails and listening to western pop music.
I suspect the mullahs won't survive this next generation.

131 Geepers  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:49:08pm

Et Tu, Me?

ASPEN, Colo. - Julius Caesar lay dead and Brutus was talking to his co-conspirators about swords and blood when he paused and excused himself, saying “I seem to have stabbed myself.”

Aspen actor/director Kent Hudson Reed accidently cut his leg open with the knife he was using in an outdoor performance of “Scenes from Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar” on Wednesday.

He tried to carry on, “but my boot was filling up with blood and I was flubbing my lines, wondering if I was going to pass out, wondering if the audience could see the blood.”

Portia (Susan Mauntel) took Brutus to a hospital for stitches and play narrator Tyson Young announced the performance was canceled.

Those outdoor dramas can get out of hand.

Via Bullwinkle Blog

132 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:49:37pm

re: #126 Thanos

Libya Celebrates 38 Years of Islamist Dictatorship

Yay for Islamist Dictatorships!
/sarc

133 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:50:19pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

re: #120 baconeatingkaffir

Videos of those parties show up on liveleak sometimes. Very fashionably dressed young men and women drinking cocktails and listening to western pop music.
I suspect the mullahs won't survive this next generation.

I agree. My friend Mojde (quite an attrractive girl.. blond haired (real blonde)) says that most people in Iran have sattelite TV, although they're trying to crack down on them. NObody watches official channels 'cos they know it's crap. It's rumored that Dinnerjacket likes to watch "Baywatch" reruns on sattelite!

134 bikermailman  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:52:28pm

re: #15 jcm

Doesn't everyone use live fire for crowd control?

Everyone who has no value for human life. Even 'their own'.

135 markie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:53:52pm

re: Iraqi civilian casualties, How is one defined? No uniforms, Aks everywhere. One man's civilian is another man's non-uniformed combatant. And how many "civilians" have been killed by the militias? Do these reporters just take some jerk's word for who was responsible? I'm growing weary of these reporters. Sherman was right:

“I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast.” - William Tecumseh Sherman

136 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:54:16pm

Egypt asks for UN protection from cartoons....
Egypt slams Prophet Mohammad cartoon in Sweden


Egypt's Ministry of Awqaf (religious endowments) Saturday condemned as "irresponsible and offensive" the publication of a caricature of Islam's Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) by a Swedish newspaper recently.

"Such an irresponsible act is not conducive to friendly ties between the Islamic world and the west," the ministry said in a statement here.

The statement urged Swedish authorities, "known for their moderate attitudes towards Muslims, to adopt measures" against Orebro-based Nerikes Allehanda newspaper which published the offending cartoons, and apology for the act.

"Diplomatic contacts can help settle the heated controversy," it pointed out.

The ministry renewed call for a UN resolution incriminating any infringement on religions and putting an end to acts offending Muslims.

137 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:56:05pm

Reuters, September 1, 1939:

Poles kill German youths.

138 redshirt  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:56:38pm

Does everyone remember the Tom Cancy book "Debt Of Honor"? In it, Japan attacks the United States to destroy their presence in the Pacific Rim. During a joint naval exercise, the Japanese fleet "accidentally" launches torpedoes at several US vessels, damaging them severely. The ships limp back to Hawaii for repairs.
Jack Ryan eventually figures out that this was an act of war by Japan, and realizes that the US fleet is in trouble.
In order to prevent further attacks, the President enlists the aid of CNN by getting them to report (falsely) that the ships weren't heavily damaged, and will soon return to service.
The president of CNN realizes that they are, after all, an American news agency, and they had a duty to help their nation in a time of crisis.

Bet you all didn't know that Clancy was a fantasy writer.

139 Thanos  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:56:51pm

This is going to make Carridine very happy:

BANGKOK, THAILAND - The Thai government said Friday that it has lifted a four-month ban on YouTube after the popular video-sharing Web site's operator agreed not to allow videos that violate the country's laws or are deemed offensive to Thai people.
The government blocked access to YouTube on April 4 after its owner, Google Inc., turned down Thailand's request to remove clips seen as offensive to Thailand's revered monarch, King Bhumibol Adulyadej.

One of the controversial clips that led to the ban depicted shoes with the soles pointed toward the king's image -- a major taboo in a culture where feet are considered extremely dirty and offensive. The video's soundtrack was the Thai national anthem.

Information and Communication Technology Minister Sitthichai Phokai-udom said the government lifted the ban without providing further comment. But in an interview in The Nation newspaper, he said the ban was lifted after the site operator agreed not to run video clips that violate Thai law or are "deemed offensive" in a reference to the monarchy.

140 Racer X  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:57:02pm

re: #123 Thanos

And how many bad people are no longer breathing?

Scoreboard, baby!

141 markie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:57:25pm

re: #137 The Other Les

Yeah, we all know what that report was worth too...das Deutchlander yoots.

142 Geepers  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:57:45pm

Killgore Trout (#136),

The ministry renewed call for a UN resolution incriminating any infringement on religions and putting an end to acts offending Muslims

Good luck with that.

143 The Other Les  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:58:33pm

re: #50 EC Marm

re: #20 MandyManners


They ain't got the brains to use WordPerfect?

I think I've used every word processing program at one time or another. If you ever saw the early versions of Word you'd have to say HTF did they ever get to be so popular? It was so pathetic, so inferior to WP, but in typical Bill Gates fashion he borrowed or stole the best features of everyone else and turned it around. But I think WP became the standard for legal firms early on and has probably stayed that way?

I was turned on to WordPerfect by a socialist.

/not kidding

144 bikermailman  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:59:03pm

re: #25 Iron Fist

re: #13 zombie,

You aren't a guy. Hot chick that would have been killed with abortion is a concept that resonates.

That wasn't exactly my line of thinking, but we reached the same conclusion. The debate has raged about Its Zombitudinal Greatness for a long time, and will continue to do so, for necessary reasons. I've flip flopped on my own conclusions many times. She/he/it designs it that way. A verbal camouflage, if you will. All I know is, I'm very happy for the work she/he/it does.

145 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:59:39pm

OT: Our good friend had more than just letters he was mailing.

Police technicians have detonated three improvised explosive devices at Toronto's Leslie Street Spit after finding the bombs in the trunk of a car.

Southbound lanes of the Don Valley Parkway and all lanes of the Gardiner Expressway -- both major arteries in and out of the city's downtown core -- were reopened after police shut down traffic to transport the explosives.

At a news conference Friday afternoon, Deputy Police Chief Tony Warr said the three bombs were each about 35 centimetres long.

(The date at the top says 1/09/2007, however the video linked to the story is dated August 31, 2007)

146 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:59:47pm

re: #137 The Other Les

Roto-Reuters - So I can Flush with Confidence.

It's only twice in this thread, but it only served to clear my impaction.

147 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:00:12pm

re: #142 Geepers

I wonder how close the UN is to passing something like that.

148 markie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:00:21pm

We all know it would be very easy to cease producing content that would offend Muslims. Simply stop publishing. Problem solved.

149 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:00:42pm
150 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:02:11pm

re: #148 markie

We all know it would be very easy to cease producing content that would offend Muslims. Simply stop publishing, talking, socializing, thinking, breathing...the list goes on and on. Problem solved.

There, fixed it for ya.:)

151 Thanos  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:02:15pm

Chinese Activist's Wife Hauled off Bus to Prevent Protest

The wife of an imprisoned blind Chinese activist said Saturday that she was dragged off a bus and held for hours to stop her from traveling to Beijing to speak out on his behalf.

Yuan Weijing said she was on a bus from Shandong province in eastern China on Friday when it stopped and she was pulled off by a group of government workers.

The alleged action comes after Yuan was blocked last week by Chinese authorities from leaving for Manila, Philippines, where she was to receive the Ramon Magsaysay Award, Asia's version of the Nobel Prize, for her husband, Chen Guangcheng. Friday was also the day a speech by her was read at the awards ceremony, in which she accused Beijing of violating human rights.

Chen, 36, was sentenced to four years and three months in prison in 2006 after he documented cases of forced abortions and other abuses by family planning officials in his native Shandong.

"I think the purpose of this was to prohibit me from speaking out," Yuan said by phone from her village of Dongshigu in Shangdong. "Three men and one woman got on the bus and they dragged me to get me off the bus."

She said she was going to Beijing to highlight her husband's case and to seek legal help after her passport was taken away when she was trying to go to the Philippines.

Yuan said she was held for about 12 hours and taken back to her house in a mini-bus. She did not give details, but said she recognized those who dragged her off the bus as being from her local government office.

Yuan, 31, was taken back to her home early Saturday, and she said about six people were standing in front of her house and that another four were blocking the entrance to the village.

152 bikermailman  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:02:34pm

re: #34 pat

re: #29 Ginn

Ditto. The message is we need more girls like that, less abortion.

Also, the obvious moral issues aside, we wouldn't have to be importing our labor if we hadn't slaughtered the better part of 50 million (!) children during most of my lifetime.

153 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:04:26pm

re: #152 bikermailman

re: #34 pat

re: #29 Ginn

Ditto. The message is we need more girls like that, less abortion.

Also, the obvious moral issues aside, we wouldn't have to be importing our labor if we hadn't slaughtered the better part of 50 million (!) children during most of my lifetime.

I take the 'low road' on this. Help the Demcratic party destroy itself. VOTE PROCHOICE!

154 bikermailman  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:05:35pm

re: #47 RTLM

re: #13 zombie
I've seen the ad - equated it with sassy. She looks very young too.

Damn I feel old

I feel that way every time I go to the grocery store, and the high school, or even college kids, call me 'sir'. Of course, I appreciate that I live in a part of the country that kids that old are calling strangers 'sir', but man...

155 Live4Truth  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:05:50pm
Palestinian youth killed in protest at Gaza border.

Yep, that's quite a description. My first thoughts:

1) For the average person, if they read nothing else but the headline (as is true of many people, so I've heard) they will presume that Israelis did the shooting.

2) "hundreds of protesters tried to rush the border terminal and go into Egypt" (as the AP report states) is hardly a "protest". It's a riot.

3) I wonder if Reuters has a policy of who is called a "youth" and who is called an adult. I'm suspicious that they use the word "youth" whenever they want to convey innocence, and "adult" when they want to convey a maturity and independence, for the same person.

4) It's little surprise that people are hurt or killed by these bozos firing guns in the air as they do. Those bullets have to come down somewhere.

156 markie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:06:41pm

When the topic comes to Islam, I'm often reminded that the only result is often having everyone tied into knots of circular logic.

Since Muslims are under no obligation to be truthful to non-believers, even encouraged to lie, answer me this: When a spokesman for Islam states they are
offended, why do we believe them?

Maybe all this seething is just an act!

157 Piglet-U93  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:07:49pm

re: #125 Mike in Georgia

re: #103 Piglet-U93
I don't know what kind of barrier they have at the crossing. But it
seems to be closed and no one can cross. I don't know whether Egypt
closed it or Hammas. But why are people protesting in Gaza. They seem
to want out and their government doesn't want them to leave. Don't really
understand what is going on. But then I'm just an old dummy and don't
care what they do to each other. It seems to keep them occupied shooting each other.

I looked at the Google Sat. photos and the Egypt / Gaza border "wall" is not as clearly delineated as the Israeli Spodeydope "wall of protection". There seems to be a number of openings for crossing into Egypt, albeit those openings may be well guarded.

158 markie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:08:30pm

re: #150 Oh no...Sand People!

...eating, drinking, urinating, healing wounds, treating sickness, sending foreign aid...

159 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:09:21pm

re: #156 markie

When the topic comes to Islam, I'm often reminded that the only result is often having everyone tied into knots of circular logic.

Since Muslims are under no obligation to be truthful to non-believers, even encouraged to lie, answer me this: When a spokesman for Islam states they are
offended, why do we believe them?

Maybe all this seething is just an act!

Yeah...those roadside bombs, suicide belts, and lopped off heads are some damn fine special effects...

160 Racer X  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:10:03pm

re: #156 markie

When a spokesman for Islam states they are
offended, why do we believe them?

Maybe all this seething is just an act!

Interesting. Perhaps we should just ignore those who continually say they are offended.

161 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:10:24pm

re: #158 markie

LOL!

162 Judith  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:11:38pm

I think CNNs decision to drop Al-Reuters has kind of shaken things up. most jouirnalists seem to think Al-Reuters and the Arab-Sympathetic Press are some kind of sacred cow that can never be challenged or done without. In the age of the internet, who needs this wire service? Especially when they spew out biased faked craps and terrorist propaganda.

Anyone care to lay odds on how soon ISMers will start protesting at the wall between Egypt and Gaza? Or how long before the International Court start squawking about it?

Oh-right-the Jews didn't do it so why bother.

163 markie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:12:09pm

re: #159 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #156 markie

When the topic comes to Islam, I'm often reminded that the only result is often having everyone tied into knots of circular logic.

Since Muslims are under no obligation to be truthful to non-believers, even encouraged to lie, answer me this: When a spokesman for Islam states they are
offended, why do we believe them?

Maybe all this seething is just an act!

Yeah...those roadside bombs, suicide belts, and lopped off heads are some damn fine special effects...

Well sure, physical acts of aggression speak for themselves. I'm talking about all this thinly-disguised Islamic social re-engineering they keep attempting...what we can say, draw, put on signage...

164 sabraguy  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:12:47pm
Hospital staff named the dead as 17-year-old Mohammed Qdaih who was accidentally hit by a bullet fired by Hamas Executive Force officers trying to keep the crowd under control.

Reuters have already investigated the incident thoroughly I see.

165 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:13:09pm
166 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:14:54pm

re: #163 markie

Don't get me wrong, It would be grand if these 'fits of prepubescent rage' were only lies...but, too much truth in all the daily deaths for me to just brush them aside.

167 Iron Fist  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:15:06pm

re: #108 Ginn,

Hey!

:-)

{Ginn}

168 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:16:34pm

re: #69 Carl in Jerusalem

Haaretz editor calls Israel an 'apartheid' state at pro-'Palestinian' conference


Carl -
Is Rubenstein for real or just off his meds?

-S-

169 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:20:04pm

re: #163 markie

re: #159 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #156 markie

When the topic comes to Islam, I'm often reminded that the only result is often having everyone tied into knots of circular logic.

Since Muslims are under no obligation to be truthful to non-believers, even encouraged to lie, answer me this: When a spokesman for Islam states they are
offended, why do we believe them?

Maybe all this seething is just an act!

Yeah...those roadside bombs, suicide belts, and lopped off heads are some damn fine special effects...

Well sure, physical acts of aggression speak for themselves. I'm talking about all this thinly-disguised Islamic social re-engineering they keep attempting...what we can say, draw, put on signage...

I bet the person who sets up a printing press for ad copy and hard copy over their would make a killing...uh...make a huge profit. One would NEVER run out of work.

Achmed, "Hey I need to place an order for 200 'Kill all those who Insult Islam' posters by Friday's Fatwah."

Printer,"We are still working on the 'Behead those who insult the Prophet Mohammed' custom pens you ordered yesterday...we will do our best!"

170 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:20:18pm

re: #156 markie

markie -

As far as their elites go - whaddaya mean "MAYBE?"

-S-

171 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:20:24pm
172 cdncheese  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:20:48pm

I've just been playing with the Google Earth flight simulator. The feature is only available in the latest version (the one with the "switch to sky" view). In case anyone's running an older version....

173 Geepers  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:21:15pm

ploome,

the UN is a cesspool

Among other things.

174 LoneSome Journey  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:21:53pm

It would appear that the ap headline didn't go through editorial (biased coverage) approval.

175 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:22:32pm
176 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:23:11pm
177 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:26:29pm

re: #175 ploome hineni

Farewell to the United Nations?
From the desk of Fjordman on Fri, 2006-07-28 08:07


Historian David Littman is a representative to the United Nations (Geneva) of the Association for World Education. He has spent years tracking the rise of Islamic influence at the UN. According to him, “In recent years, representatives of some Muslim states have demanded, and often received, special treatment at the United Nations.” “As a result, non-diplomatic terms such as ‘blasphemy’ and ‘defamation of Islam’ have seeped into the United Nations system, leading to a situation in which non-Muslim governments accept certain rules of conduct in conformity with Islamic law (the Shari’a) and acquiesce to a self-imposed silence regarding topics touching on Islam.”On August 5, 1990, the 19th Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers adopted the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam. According to the official English version, “All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Shari’a.” The CDHRI has since then become “a quotable source at the United Nations.”

David Littman warns that “The new rules of conduct being imposed by the OIC [the Organization of the Islamic Conference], and acceded to by other states, give those who claim to represent Islam an exceptional status at the United Nations that has no legal basis and no precedent.” “Will a prohibition of discussion about certain political aspects of Islam become generally accepted at the United Nations and beyond, contradicting ‘the right to freedom of opinion and expression’ promised by Article XIX of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? Unless farsighted states, both Muslim and non-Muslim, make it their business to assert and reassert the need for freedom of speech, this precious liberty is at risk of being eroded throughout the system of international organizations.”

Fifty-seven Muslim governments are pressing to include a “ban on the mocking of religions” in a new U.N. human rights body by pushing a resolution under the agenda item “Racism” condemning what they called the “Defamation of Islam.” In a clear reference to the Muhammad cartoons controversy, the proposal stated that “defamation of religions and prophets is inconsistent with the right to freedom of expression.

The United Nations High Commissioner on Human Rights Louise Arbour involved herself in the discussion during the tensions caused by the Danish cartoons. In a letter to the 56 member countries of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), she stated: “I understand your concerns and would like to emphasize that I regret any statement or act that could express a lack of respect for other people’s religion.” In a complaint to the High Commissioner, the 56 Islamic governments asked Louise Arbour to raise the matter with the Danish government “to help contain this encroachment on Islam, so the situation won’t get out of control.” Two UN experts, on religious freedom and on racism and xenophobia, were said to be working on the case.

Human rights and Islam? Isn't that an oxymoron?

178 bikermailman  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:27:43pm

re: #175 ploome hineni

I love Fjordman...pretty much one of the smartest people on the intrawebs thingy out there. Hopefully, he'll put a book together one of these days.

179 markie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:28:17pm

re: #166 Oh no...Sand People!

Wasn't my intent, only to question why the West keeps reacting to them. I'm all for no outward reaction until something can be targeted properly.

180 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:29:06pm
181 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:30:43pm
182 Ay, Caramba  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:31:18pm

re: #120 baconeatingkaffir

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Did you read what I posted earlier? I had one of my Iranian students who wanted me to come to Iran as his guest. It seems that they have some rather cool house parties. Women and men are frowned upon from being togther in public but in private residences, it's another story. he told me that they smuggle liquor in or produce their own.

I once worked with a couple on Iranian girs. One of them was a red head. Both were totally hot.

183 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:32:24pm
184 Carl in Jerusalem  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:36:25pm

re: #168 Dr. Shalit

re: #69 Carl in Jerusalem

Haaretz editor calls Israel an 'apartheid' state at pro-'Palestinian' conference


Carl -
Is Rubenstein for real or just off his meds?

-S-

Not sure what you mean by "for real." If you're asking whether he believes it, I think he does. If you're asking whether he has a mental illness, I think he has that too.

185 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:50:21pm

re: #179 markie

re: #166 Oh no...Sand People!

Wasn't my intent, only to question why the West keeps reacting to them. I'm all for no outward reaction until something can be targeted properly.

That's because you are sane. :)

(In case you may have read something into it wrong, 'fits of prepubescant rage' is directed at the 'Islamic rage protestors' not to you, silly goose.)

186 mondoreb  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:51:07pm

re: #61 zombie

I'm sure your daughters are very good-looking. But I doubt they dress up especially sexily when going to anti-abortion rallies. There's a difference between being naturally attractive and self-confident (your daughters) and being intentionally provocatively sexual (the girl in the ad).

I understand your point.
Who doesn't look at the slurry of images bombarding us daily and suffer OverSexed Stress Fatigue Syndrome. Someone who had just woken up from 1955 would think they were in the middle of some porno culture.

That being said, I think the main point is the ending of a life.

I don't have a disagreement with your point, as much as a comment on your comment. You always strike one as cool, detached and logical. And your comment struck me as....not quite that. So it was surprising, more than anything.

That's all!

187 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:51:57pm

re: #180 ploome hineni

Human rights and Islam? Isn't that an oxymoron?

they use our words, but the meaning is not the same

human rights are those in the sharia, NOT THOSE DESCRIBED BY SECULAR law

the corruption and distortion of language and 'justice' and 'human rights' at the UN is amazing

and we pay for it

Are we ever paying for it...geesh. We are paying for it in more ways than we can fathom...

188 mondoreb  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 4:54:15pm

re: #119 MandyManners

Thrifty Hamassholes.

Al Gore and Hamas: Working hard for an alternative future!

189 samhein  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 5:31:44pm

Hey, they celebrate by shooting live ammo too! Except the idiots forget that what goes up has to come down......

How many are shot during celebrations?

190 Render  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 5:40:20pm

re: #57 ted

re: #94 Geepers

Well done you two.

[Link: billroggio.com...]

[Link: www.billroggio.com...]

This the very point I've been trying to get across for days, weeks, years even.

LOOK AT
THE CLOUDS!,
R

191 Farang Kheemao  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 7:09:34pm

Gads, with al reuters gone, who's going to keep us informed on the green helmet guy.

192 realwest  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:16:31pm

Test

193 shmu  Sun, Sep 2, 2007 12:04:59am

whats not reported is that all those people who they closed the border on are EGYPTIANS and came from EGYPT itself when Jews started rebuilding the land. That is where they belong in their stinking feces infested hell hole of EGYPT

194 Blueprinter  Sun, Sep 2, 2007 4:26:37am

I just treat anything with a Reuters byline as anti US propaganda.
A once proud news agency has been reduced to shills for the Muslims in their quest for world domination.
Reuters are probably hoping they get the exclusive "news" contract under the Caliphate.

195 sofa  Mon, Sep 3, 2007 1:04:45pm

“al-Reuters”
... and those who support them...


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