No comment.

How Syria stayed off 'the list' is beyond me...

Don't tell me North Korea is proliferating Nukes.

Didn't the State Dept and Rice recently celebrate turning North Korea in pussycats?

Bolton warned the North Korea deal was bad.

Condoleezza Rice: shopping and making things worse. In no particular order.

Israel believes that North Korea has been supplying Syria and Iran with nuclear materials, a Washington defense official told the New York Times. “The Israelis think North Korea is selling to Iran and Syria what little they have left,” he said.

Damascus will cease to be a city...forever.

Thank You, Israel!

ha...and Kucinich said he respects "Assads role as a peacemaker"
what the hell is he referring to? When has the dictator done anything to foster peace?
Or is this a case of backwards moonbat logic
by peace he really means fomenting violence by supplying a never ending line of suicide bombers in Iraq who use Syria as a launching pad

I hope Israel hits them a few more times before the summer is out

Israeli jets “bombed a Syrian-Iranian missile base in northern Syria that was financed by Iran... It appears that the base was completely destroyed.”

Olmert suddenly found a pair of matzo balls?

If true, this would seem to indicate that North Korea does in fact intend to eliminate its nuclear program. And make some extra money along the way. Among other things.

I do find it unlikely, however, that the Syrians and Iranians would put their nuke facilities so close to Israel. Unless it was entirely Syrian done, I don't see why the Iranians would take that risk. More likely this was a Hizb'allah training camp and/or ammo dump.

The full circle of the "axis"

Like Frank Dreben standing in front of a fire works factory exploding;

"Nothing to see here, move along!"

NYT is so busy trying to pin something on Israel they're missing the real story entirely.

About Iran. I'm shocked that "engaging" with them isn't working out.

If a jerk like Olmert was forced to bomb Syria, can you just imagine how bad it might have been.

well, I wonder what Yallah Ya Nasrallah thinks about that
[Link: cruxy.com...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Dennis Kusinich must be outraged that Israel would be so provocative as to strike Syrian nukes. I am sure they are for peaceful purposes, of course, or to defend themselves against the Zionist terrorist entity or some other legitimate reason.

re: #8 Shug

Israeli jets “bombed a Syrian-Iranian missile base in northern Syria that was financed by Iran... It appears that the base was completely destroyed.”

Olmert suddenly found a pair of matzo balls?

It's that time of year!

President Bush called North Korea,Iran and Iraq the axis of evil...the moonbats laughed...I didn't.

It's coming. Something big is coming.

This report, and This

OT -

Hey Charles, I've got a question. I notice that even if I'm not logged in, I can see the comment rating buttons. Is this intentional? Are non-Lizards able to rate comments?

Um, do we have a Google earth location?

Early OT

Speaking of Attacks.
Are we One bomb away from losing rights?

Team Bush and its "one bomb away" agenda would use the next attack to finish the job of consolidating the nation's power in one man. And since Congress is demonstrably cowed into submission by the mere prospect of the next bomb, imagine how it will fold when the next one actually falls.

Why sure - let's send Nancy right back in there to straighten things out with Syria!

re: #18 GregInSeattle

It's coming. Something big is coming.

This report, and This

yes it is.

Nuke site or Hezi training site/amo dump...I say good riddance either way.

Good. I hope Israel does more to the Syrian terrorist state and their capabilities.

re: #5 storagemanager

Israel believes that North Korea has been supplying Syria and Iran with nuclear materials, a Washington defense official told the New York Times. “The Israelis think North Korea is selling to Iran and Syria what little they have left,” he said.

Damascus will cease to be a city...forever.

In the evening, sudden terror!
Before the morning, they are gone!
This is the portion of those who loot us,
the lot of those who plunder us.

re: #17 storagemanager

President Bush called North Korea,Iran and Iraq the axis of evil...the moonbats laughed...I didn't.

And what has he done about them (Iran and North Korea) for the past six years?

re: #21 rab3

Early OT

Speaking of Attacks.
Are we One bomb away from losing rights?

Team Bush and its "one bomb away" agenda would use the next attack to finish the job of consolidating the nation's power in one man. And since Congress is demonstrably cowed into submission by the mere prospect of the next bomb, imagine how it will fold when the next one actually falls.

Dopes.

...Israeli officials believed that North Korea might be unloading some of its nuclear material on Syria.

Seems reasonable; it worked for Saddam.

re: #18 GregInSeattle

It's coming. Something big is coming.

This report, and This

And this... Osama's hat trick.

re: #16 Sunlight

re: #8 Shug

Israeli jets “bombed a Syrian-Iranian missile base in northern Syria that was financed by Iran... It appears that the base was completely destroyed.”

Olmert suddenly found a pair of matzo balls?

It's that time of year!

HAH! Happy New Year Syria...Instead of fireworks or a ball dropping...they blow up some nuke facilities.

Israel concluded Kim supplied Syrian with a Nuc or material for a dirty bomb, the placement of that at a missile sight was unacceptable.

Also a message to the mad mullahs and dinnerjacket.

Ahmadinejad warns against Security Council intervention

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

re: #22 galloping granny

Why sure - let's send Nancy right back in there to straighten things out with Syria!

It's not Pelosi who raised her hand in the UN last year allowing Syria and Iran to have an indirect victory in Lebanon.

We don't give Israel enough credit for keeping Mid East nations from developing nuclear capability. Their military intelligence and fortitude to act on said intelligence keeps us all safer.

Neither the US or Israel is talking about this strike, and I tend to believe it was just that. With our buildup of the carrier group in the Gulf, in combination with this incident, I'm wondering if there might just be a double whammy coming up next year where Israel pins down Syria as the US simultaneously strikes Iran. Its not a matter of if, but when.

re: #18 GregInSeattle

Interesting. But I don't think the U.S. should wait another 8 months to disarm Iran. But I'm not a General. As long as it happen before Iran gets the bomb, I guess I can wait.

re: #19 Ward Cleaver

OT -

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Ratings are visible when you're not logged in, but only registered, logged-in lizards can rate comments.

re: #20 Cato

Um, do we have a Google earth location?

I spent some time with Google Earth last night and then again this morning - also consulting with a daughter who puts that stuff together for a living and is not too bad at reading satellite photos. Used the map from the story yesterday - cnn generated?

I found a couple of places in the rough area where they indicated a strike that were extremely large buildings with nothing else around them for some distance. Also an airfield in the middle of nowhere. Don't know how old the sat photos in GE are though.

Yoni the Blogger was talking about this last night.

Israeli Media Confirms IAF Struck Near Euphrates

Israel...doing the job that other free western nations wouldn't do.

Good on ya Israel!

Kim Jong Il unloads nuke materials on to Syria? Sounds probable. He can appear to fall in line with the latest agreement while cashing in on the sale of the stuff to Syria and likely Iran.
No wonder all the vagueness from US and Israeli oficials.

Signs of things to come.

Still too early to know what really happened, but people predicting more to come out in next few days.

However, things we know - or assume - that have not happened:

Syria has not attacked Israel in retaliation
Arab states have on the whole not rallied to Syria's defence and condemned Israel
No official EU condemnation of Israel
No official condemnation from Turkey
No motion condemning Israel in the UN security council

Conclusion: something significant may well have happened but people aren't saying yet ...

re: #28 Ward Cleaver

re: #21 rab3

Early OT

Speaking of Attacks.
Are we One bomb away from losing rights?

Team Bush and its "one bomb away" agenda would use the next attack to finish the job of consolidating the nation's power in one man. And since Congress is demonstrably cowed into submission by the mere prospect of the next bomb, imagine how it will fold when the next one actually falls.

Dopes.

Not without a Contitutional Amendment or three and lots of cases in front of the US Supreme Court. Lunatics.

re: #36 turn

Neither the US or Israel is talking about this strike, and I tend to believe it was just that. With our buildup of the carrier group in the Gulf, in combination with this incident, I'm wondering if there might just be a double whammy coming up next year where Israel pins down Syria as the US simultaneously strikes Iran. Its not a matter of if, but when.

Amen. I gotta admit, though, that I'm nervous about sleeper cell reprisals here in the US.

re: #27 Opinionated

re: #17 storagemanager

President Bush called North Korea,Iran and Iraq the axis of evil...the moonbats laughed...I didn't.

And what has he done about them (Iran and North Korea) for the past six years?

Ahmadinejad said he did the math...many here laughed...President Bush has been on a tightrope I wouldn't want to walk...would you?...I believe he has a plan...I have to...he is my President...Commander in Chief of the Armed forces of America...If you don't trust your President...you have already lost.

I guess that sophisticated anti-aircraft system Putin sold the
Syranians didn't work as advertised. Nice job IAF - jam their
scopes and bomb those dopes.

Always remember...Deuteronomy 20:1

There was no attack, if there had been an attack a great deal of whinning and seething would have flooded the media.

Another thing to watch... is the retaliation factor. Glenn Beck was talking about it... called the Perfect Day... where multiple attacks would occur from cells within our country. This is absolutely frightening. Better home school.
They have warned us that if we attack Iran something like this might happen.

Iran wanting nukes, a Syrian/Iran missile base in Syria, Israel wiped off the map...anyone see a coincidence?

re: #43 Shemesh

Still too early to know what really happened, but people predicting more to come out in next few days.

However, things we know - or assume - that have not happened:

Syria has not attacked Israel in retaliation
Arab states have on the whole not rallied to Syria's defence and condemned Israel
No official EU condemnation of Israel
No official condemnation from Turkey
No motion condemning Israel in the UN security council

Conclusion: something significant may well have happened but people aren't saying yet ...

Astute observation, Syria crossed a very big line, Israel knocked 'em back, and the dogs ARE NOT barking.

re: #41 Highrise

Israel...doing the job that other free western nations wouldn't do.

Good on ya Israel!

Do you think that if ground troops participated, Syria would be embarrassed?

WASHINGTON (AP) - Senate Democratic leaders on Wednesday rejected the call by the top U.S. general in Iraq for a reduction of up to 30,000 U.S. troops in Iraq by next summer, saying it does not go far enough.
"This is unacceptable to me, it's unacceptable to the American people," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

QUIT talking for me... [Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Amazing database of everything you would want to know about air to air combat involving Israel

Incident that happend in 2001 where the Syrian Airforce attempted to shoot down an Israeli AWCS.

Syria kept it very quiet

re: #46 storagemanager

re: #27 Opinionated

re: #17 storagemanager

President Bush called North Korea,Iran and Iraq the axis of evil...the moonbats laughed...I didn't.

And what has he done about them (Iran and North Korea) for the past six years?

Ahmadinejad said he did the math...many here laughed...President Bush has been on a tightrope I wouldn't want to walk...would you?...I believe he has a plan...I have to...he is my President...Commander in Chief of the Armed forces of America...If you don't trust your President...you have already lost.

I trusted and campaigned for him in 2004. I was very wrong.

The second term as been an unmitigated disaster and the US (and Israel) will pay for this misfeasance for a long long time. And if we get the wrong President in 2008, it will be even worse.

re: #45 GregInSeattle

I breathed a sigh of relief yesterday, its not over yet though. They've had plenty of reasons for reprisals yet fortunately nothing has happened yet. You know what scares me a bit, I've got a 16 year old that might just have to consider joining the fight to end this conflict.

Debka seems to have a different take on this

[Link: www.debka.com...]

could have been a recon mission...

re: #9 Final Historian

From the map of the attack that I saw yesterday (Sorry, can't find the link right now), Syria put it about as far away from Israel as they could. Didn't help much apparently. Israeli F-15s flew from the Med. all the way across Syria, and on the return trip managed to take out some Anti-Aircraft radar installation as well.

re: #55 Opinionated

re: #46 storagemanager

re: #27 Opinionated

re: #17 storagemanager

President Bush called North Korea,Iran and Iraq the axis of evil...the moonbats laughed...I didn't.

And what has he done about them (Iran and North Korea) for the past six years?

Ahmadinejad said he did the math...many here laughed...President Bush has been on a tightrope I wouldn't want to walk...would you?...I believe he has a plan...I have to...he is my President...Commander in Chief of the Armed forces of America...If you don't trust your President...you have already lost.

I trusted and campaigned for him in 2004. I was very wrong.

The second term as been an unmitigated disaster and the US (and Israel) will pay for this misfeasance for a long long time. And if we get the wrong President in 2008, it will be even worse.

It looks like will be in a bigger war before 08...I will trust the man I voted for.

re: #57 amrilusaguy

Debka seems to have a different take on this

[Link: www.debka.com...]

could have been a recon mission...

don't trust them...they get it wrong alot.

IAF, doing the job wussiepeans won't do.

re: #30 FQ Kafir

O.B.L. is certainly going by the book. Three invitations to convert to Islam before the boom? Or just a desparate attempt to look relevant to his minions?

re: #59 storagemanager

If you believe a bigger was is inevitable soon, would that be the result of Bush/Rice being competent over the past six years?

re: #63 Opinionated

was=war

re: #63 Opinionated

re: #59 storage manager

If you believe a bigger was is inevitable soon, would that be the result of Bush/Rice being competent over the past six years?

How could they have stooped Iran and North Korea sooner?...they have the help of each other...and Russia,China and Hugo...who ships MS-13 around the world like chess pieces.
He was trying to avoid a world war like the world has never seen...But I do trust there is a plan.

re: #6 FriarsTale

Thank You, Israel!

Although we benefit, I'm sure they did it to protect themselves first.

Ever notice that what is good for Israel is good for the world?

And vice versa?

re: #18 GregInSeattle

It won't work. If there is a plan, the MSN and left winged blogs will announce it to the world. They will put out time and place and what weapons will be involved.

Those on the left have been screaming about this happening. How can we be so mean? BAH!

The pres of Iran is a mad man and cannot be trusted on anything.

Hugo's shipping MS-13 heavyweights around the globe? Any links?

It's a Start...

Lots more work needs to be done.

The Google Earth film strips are between one and three years old and not always clear enough to distinguish objects on the ground.

The claimed location of this strike has changed three times.

The earliest reports said the IDF "overflew" western Syria, and left drop tanks in Turkey. I'm reasonably certain they did fly over western Syria, no matter where or what the target was.

Yesterdays reports included a map showing what was purported to be the flight path of the strike package, and a target in the eastern Syrian desert.

Todays reports mention nuke facilities and a target in northern Syria.

===

There are numerous Syrian military positions along the Syria-Iraq border, including SAM sites, border posts, artillery positions etcetcetc. But not nearly as many sites as there are on the Syrian - Israeli border along the Golan Heights.

Until we see some BDA and/or more official confirmation from the IDF, I'm keeping this in the 24 hour file, extended to 72 hours.

DOLPHIN
CLASS,
R

re: #65 storagemanager

re: #63 Opinionated

re: #59 storage manager

If you believe a bigger was is inevitable soon, would that be the result of Bush/Rice being competent over the past six years?

How could they have stooped Iran and North Korea sooner?...they have the help of each other...and Russia,China and Hugo...who ships MS-13 around the world like chess pieces.
He was trying to avoid a world war like the world has never seen...But I do trust there is a plan.

Iraq is the mess it is, because stopping Iran- from supplying arms and insurgents to stopping their nuclear potential- was a co-requisite for winning in Iraq.

The Road Map, the withdrawal from Gaza, the Lebanon War cease fire, continuous pressure on Israel, are all steps that will lead to that inevitable war you predict.

re: #68 Cap'n DOC

Hugo's shipping MS-13 heavyweights around the globe? Any links?

I posted a dozen yesterday..click my football.

re: #9 Final Historian

Unless it was Iraqi WMD...

re: #71 Opinionated

re: #65 storagemanager

re: #63 Opinionated

re: #59 storage manager
If you believe a bigger was is inevitable soon, would that be the result of Bush/Rice being competent over the past six years?

How could they have stooped Iran and North Korea sooner?...they have the help of each other...and Russia,China and Hugo...who ships MS-13 around the world like chess pieces.
He was trying to avoid a world war like the world has never seen...But I do trust there is a plan.

Iraq is the mess it is, because stopping Iran- from supplying arms and insurgents to stopping their nuclear potential- was a co-requisite for winning in Iraq.

The Road Map, the withdrawal from Gaza, the Lebanon War cease fire, continuous pressure on Israel, are all steps that will lead to that inevitable war you predict.

Tell me what he should have done...that would not lead to a world war like the world has never seen.

Our friends the Saudis may ruin Condi's party. Will not come unless Israel agrees to surrender in advance.

Saudi FM: Kingdom may boycott summit if 'major' issues avoided

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Who wants to bet the message Rice is sending to the Saudis: "Working on it"

re: #60 storagemanager

I dont

but

they get a lot of military info that is dead on and they get it a lot sooner then anyone else

re: #65 storagemanager

I tend to agree with you, storage. Can those who are highly critical (with good reason on occasion) think of an electable President who would have turned the Islamic world on it's ear like he has?

re: #74 storagemanager

Above you predicted that the war is coming in any event.

What could he have done. In this second term? To start get rid of Rice. And better late then never.

re: #18 GregInSeattle

It's coming. Something big is coming.

This report, and This

And this:
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Will be interesting to see what happens. If Syria dares to stand and fight Israel, or if they proxy through some terrorist group again.

Frankly, I am shocked that the moonbat media isn't foaming at the mouth over this.

re: #78 Opinionated

re: #74 storagemanager

Above you predicted that the war is coming in any event.

What could he have done. In this second term? To start get rid of Rice. And better late then never.

Nothing...this war was comming no matter who is President...but I like better with a President Bush...than a President Obama or President Clinton...again...they just may win the white house.

re: #71 Opinionated

re: #65 storagemanager

re: #63 Opinionated

re: #59 storage managerIf you believe a bigger was is inevitable soon, would that be the result of Bush/Rice being competent over the past six years?

How could they have stooped Iran and North Korea sooner?...they have the help of each other...and Russia,China and Hugo...who ships MS-13 around the world like chess pieces.
He was trying to avoid a world war like the world has never seen...But I do trust there is a plan.

Iraq is the mess it is, because stopping Iran- from supplying arms and insurgents to stopping their nuclear potential- was a co-requisite for winning in Iraq.

The Road Map, the withdrawal from Gaza, the Lebanon War cease fire, continuous pressure on Israel, are all steps that will lead to that inevitable war you predict.

Israel is pressured because that is the only way progress can be show in the Middle East (I'm not talking about Iraq, but all the rest). So every time there is a new "initiative" I cringe because the other govts are mostly intransigent and so they pressure Israel to justify their jobs. Israel, bless their hearts, wants to cooperate, and they have created a fabulous high tech country from the dunes. But I get antsy when they start offering up civilians to the effort. It would be like our city allowing home invasions to go on in deference to the chosen life view of the gangsters. Sometimes it seems like we verge on that too. Anyway, the Israelis are very smart and they do elect their govt, so I would support their methods as long as the elections happen on time, etc. Just note that after last summer, they readjusted to get a proven man of steel (although one may wonder at his politics) to run the military side.

This explains why N. Korea is now so compliant to inspections and stopping their nuclear program... ah ha... they sold all their goodies to all their rogue buddies. They've been telling us all that for quite a while now.
Question: How do you transport something like that without anyone catching them... in ships... in airplanes. I'm not a scientist. Curious minds want to know.

Maybe Kim Jong Ill is a bit "ronery", and just wants to make friends with Syria.

re: #81 storagemanager

Bush/Rice's mess has left the consequences to the next President.

If, God help us, it's either Clinton or Obama, or Gore, it will be because of Bush's legacy and because Republicans are foolish to not put up the only Republican candidate who has a chance or being elected- Giuliani.

re: #83 new2thezoo

This explains why N. Korea is now so compliant to inspections and stopping their nuclear program... ah ha... they sold all their goodies to all their rogue buddies. They've been telling us all that for quite a while now.
Question: How do you transport something like that without anyone catching them... in ships... in airplanes. I'm not a scientist. Curious minds want to know.

A sub?

re: #83 new2thezoo

This explains why N. Korea is now so compliant to inspections and stopping their nuclear program... ah ha... they sold all their goodies to all their rogue buddies. They've been telling us all that for quite a while now.

Question: How do you transport something like that without anyone catching them... in ships... in airplanes. I'm not a scientist. Curious minds want to know.

Those were my exact thoughts when I read this.

Hey BLUESTAR,

We were talking about you just the other day.

How was the trip to Israel?

Pssst...Israeli Airforce. I don't mean to be a rat but I think I saw some of North Korea's nuclear material in the garage of the Kucinich family.

re: #82 Sunlight

Israel is pressured because that is the only way progress can be show in the Middle East

Oh? I do see a lot of pressure on Israel.

I don't see that "progress" you see.

I see things getting worse daily.

re: #85 Opinionated

re: #81 storagemanager

Bush/Rice's mess has left the consequences to the next President.

If, God help us, it's either Clinton or Obama, or Gore, it will be because of Bush's legacy and because Republicans are foolish to not put up the only Republican candidate who has a chance or being elected- Giuliani.

A number of republicans left office in shame...others made blunders...everything is not President Bush's fault.

I can't believe this.

The IAF conducted an attack on Syrian outposts, and Olmert is still in the PM office? Amazing!

re: #27 Opinionated

re: #17 storagemanager

President Bush called North Korea,Iran and Iraq the axis of evil...the moonbats laughed...I didn't.

And what has he done about them (Iran and North Korea) for the past six years?

Spent way too much time trying to make nice with stinking Democrats at home and win hearts and minds in Iraq, instead of going in with guns ablazin' until the job was done and moving on to the next one.

North Korea might be unloading some of its nuclear material on Syria

They better be careful, or Israel might "unload some of it's nuclear material on Syria" as well.

- iirightii

re: #85 Opinionated

re: #81 storagemanager

Bush/Rice's mess has left the consequences to the next President.

If, God help us, it's either Clinton or Obama, or Gore, it will be because of Bush's legacy and because Republicans are foolish to not put up the only Republican candidate who has a chance or being elected- Giuliani.

And it seems like Giuliani has the skill set - the spine to walk into the 9/11 site with debris still flying around and burning, turning away the Saudi influence (wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air), the ability to work the legal system to dimantle the mafia (useful for domestic gangs and/or cells), etc. The main thing I want from the federal govt is to protect the citizens - on the domestic issues, we can slog those out year after year without the feds. Having lived in various places outside the U.S., I would say we won some cosmic lottery to get to live here. The feds should manage the protection of the country as their main (only - :-) job.

OT:

2 Years Later. I WILL NEVER FORGET!

The neighborhoods are gone, but the violence against them continues. They got land...but there is no peace.

/let's not make this mistake again...

Spenser (with an S) (#77),

Some people just like to bitch and blame. It's so easy.

re: #93 cookielady

re: #27 Opinionated

re: #17 storagemanager

President Bush called North Korea,Iran and Iraq the axis of evil...the moonbats laughed...I didn't.

And what has he done about them (Iran and North Korea) for the past six years?

Spent way too much time trying to make nice with stinking Democrats at home and win hearts and minds in Iraq, instead of going in with guns ablazin' until the job was done and moving on to the next one.

We now know the North Korea,Iran and Syria were all working as one..with the help of China,Russia and Hugo...tell me how he could have done that?

re: #90 Opinionated

re: #82 Sunlight

Israel is pressured because that is the only way progress can be show in the Middle East

Oh? I do see a lot of pressure on Israel.

I don't see that "progress" you see.

I see things getting worse daily.

I don't mean progress. I mean what you said, "progress". Things the bureaucrats can jot down for their performance appraisal. The only progress (with no "...") I see is what the Israelis figure out themselves.

re: #96 Sunlight

Let's not forget that Rudy wouldn't allow Arafat to walk around New York either.

As a Conservative he has his issues...BUT...if his past is any indication (which it isn't always) he looks pretty good to me.

re: #92 blacque jacques shellacque

I can't believe this.

The IAF conducted an attack on Syrian outposts, and Olmert is still in the PM office? Amazing!

It's because they put in Barak. He's got a proven track record.

re: #79 zandtar

and 18 gregin...

The political side of this is that such action will insure a woman in the white house...

re: #102 Sunlight

Barak has a proven track record?

Of what?

Attempting to do exactly what Olmert is doing? (only reason it didn't happen under Barak is because Arafat said no, no, no.)

How about all those terrorist attacks...all those dead bodies piled in the streets following 9-11...huh?...there was no attacks at home...really?...gee...who was President after 9-11?...huh?...President Bush...can't be...he can't do anything right.

O noes Syria, Izreal pwned u! LOLz!

Anyone that thinks that Israel has learned anything about anything...should read this.

One attack doesn't a tough guy make.

re: #103 ploome hineni

re: #60 storagemanager

the BBC get it wrong a lot more often

and so does CNN and the NYT

/and I love Debbie Schleussel..woman who is fearless

I have posted there.

ANOTHER Homocide-Vest bombing stopped by IDF.

/Through Egypt none-the-less...glad that "Disengagement" is working out for Israel. Land for Peace...its the ONLY option. (*barf*)

I would have no problem with this, but I don't buy the part that Israel destroyed a camp over in Syria. If Israel had bombed Syria, even if it was a terrorist camp, Assad would have gone on the BBC and claimed it was a school, and the media would buy that hook, line and sinker.

Hopefully this helps build the case for actual strict sanctions against Iran and the Hiter of our time, Ahmadinejad, as the appeasers in Europe supposedly still have cold feet.

re: #113 Andy Dufresne

I would have no problem with this, but I don't buy the part that Israel destroyed a camp over in Syria. If Israel had bombed Syria, even if it was a terrorist camp, Assad would have gone on the BBC and claimed it was a school, and the media would buy that hook, line and sinker.

Hopefully this helps build the case for actual strict sanctions against Iran and the Hiter of our time, Ahmadinejad, as the appeasers in Europe supposedly still have cold feet.

China and Russia have signed deal with Iran...there will be no sanctions...now or ever...Russia will not lose money again like it did in Iraq.

Larijani-Nuclear-Larijani
Secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) Ali Larijani said suspension of Iran's nuclear enrichment program is an unwelcome and threadbare issue, stressing that no one could ignore the inalienable rights of Iranian nation to the nuclear energy.

[Link: www2.irna.com...]

re: #99 storagemanager

We now know the North Korea,Iran and Syria were all working as one..with the help of China,Russia and Hugo...tell me how he could have done that?

Like I said, should have made ROE that made the bad guys shrivel in their panties in Iraq and let our boys LOOSE to do what they needed to early on, and quit trying to pander to Democrats and establish that 'new tone' of which he is so fond, and securing our borders with gusto, cleaning house completely in State and CIA, the list goes on. The American people would have followed that with rousing conservative victories in every election and a united America is nothing any of those bozos wants to mess with.

Conservatism always wins. Whiny RINO-ism doesn't.

And I NEVER said he (MY president) couldn't do anything right. On the contrary! I just think he should have been more aggressive and less 'compassionate conservative' and more actual conservative.

Oh, Ronnie, there will never be your like again, I fear... :-(

I talked about the possibility of an "osirak style" raid of the IAF in Syria 2 days ago (comment #681 in the Petraeus Report Open Thread #3 ).

According to the french speaking israeli news agency called Metula News Agency (and they were the first talking about that, long before CNN) the IAF didn't destroy arms in transit to the hezb but something very big like scuds depot, non conventional weapons, or maybe something nuclear. Without it Syria is no longer a big threat to Israel for some times, explaining why it plays low profile...

OT:

Reporter actually gets it right with tone expressing disbelief of Hamas claims and emphasis on the controlled propaganda event of Hamas?

re: #96 Sunlight

In my opinion, Giuliani is the indispensable man in 2008. Like Reagan was in 1980.

Each uniquely needed for the time.

But the World can go down in flame, according to some Conservatives/Republicans, because domestic Social Issues- on which he has little or no say- are what's important in a President

re: #105 WrathofG-d

re: #102 Sunlight

Barak has a proven track record?

Of what?

Attempting to do exactly what Olmert is doing? (only reason it didn't happen under Barak is because Arafat said no, no, no.)

I don't agree. I'm unclear that Olmert would have allowed to be done whatever it was that happened in Syria. I would imagine it was Barak behind it. And so the world (except N. Korea with their mitts in the cookie jar) has been quiet about Israel's current and future actions. Why would that be? Because Barak and Sharon - not wimpy men either of them - tried all the stuff the "world community" wanted them to. Politically, they're each too far to either side for me, but give credit where it is due. People are supporting Israel more all the time because they have gone the extra mile to try the ideas that are out there.

Personal courage. Read this (1st link on google for Ehud Barak bio):
http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/bar0bio-1

OT:

Lebanese "refugee" camp COMPLETELY DESTROYED, but it wasn't Israel who did it so you won't be hearing about it from the MSM.

re: #27 Opinionated

Patience.

re: #38 Charles

re: #19 Ward Cleaver

OT -

Hey Charles, I've got a question. I notice that even if I'm not logged in, I can see the comment rating buttons. Is this intentional? Are non-Lizards able to rate comments?

Ratings are visible when you're not logged in, but only registered, logged-in lizards can rate comments.

Thanks Charles.

re: #117 cookielady

And I NEVER said he (MY president) couldn't do anything right. On the contrary! I just think he should have been more aggressive and less 'compassionate conservative' and more actual conservative.

Oh, Ronnie, there will never be your like again, I fear... :-(

The thought that I bolded up there has also crossed my mind. I try not to second guess the Commander in Chief on this because I'm not a strategist but things like sadr being alive has made me a bit ticked off.

So, when a thought like that crosses my mind, I ponder on this map. Look at how we are sitting pretty in the countries surrounding Iran. Seeing where our bases are...it's almost on the brilliant side. History will judge Bush for sure either way.

Given that map, I'm starting to see that the USA actually winning the hearts and minds of the iraqi's has many benefits to it in the end. Time will tell. I just know I see that phrase in a much different light.

re: #122 WrathofG-d

OT:

Lebanese "refugee" camp COMPLETELY DESTROYED, but it wasn't Israel who did it so you won't be hearing about it from the MSM.

Yeah, just a big yawn from the MSM and the "international community".

"What, the Jooos didn't do it? Never mind."

re: #121 Sunlight

I appreciate your half-full attitude but it isn't rooted in reality. Welcome to the Mid-East Conflict. You are obviously new around here.

Sharon (*spit*) hasn't been actually tough since 1968. Sure if you wish to discuss his amazing prowess as a tank commander during the 6 Day War, I will join you in singing his praises. Additionally, if you wish to discuss his tough rhetoric...I will again be more than happy to agree with you there that it was positive. Actions speak louder than words however and Sharon (despite his history) has not been tough for a long long time.

Barak also is nothing but mere rhetoric. He offered the Arabs all of Yesha and Jerusalem for NOTHING in return. Thank G-d that Arafat (the ultimate guy who never misses and opportunity to miss an opportunity) said "no", and instead responded with violence. (ok it would have been better if he chose peace...but anyone that thinks that is going to happen isn't paying attention). Like all Israeli politicians (excluding Bibi) he too has a VERY impressive history, of being a strong as impressive warrior...until he became a politician.

Its something in the Israeli political water. Every amazing Jewish warrior becomes a leftist, surrenderist traitor when they get into office.

As for the world now coming to Israel's aid & side, you are on crack. These claims are the same false claims made during Oslo. We all know how well that worked out for Israel.

Thus I can only assume that you are new to the conflict. If I were watching this all go down for the first time, I would be hopeful and impressed myself...but its not! I watched what went down during Oslo. (studied it is more accruate), and we are living it again.

I appreciate your hope and comments but they are based on naive false assumptions. The world does not love Israel any more then they did before the Ethnic Cleansing of Gaza and Northern J/S, the 2nd Lebanon War, and the silence to the rocket attacks from Gaza attest to this.

Happy New Year.

Personal courage.

The problem with this personal courage on the part of Israeli PMs in the face of idiots like Syrians, Palestinians, and the like, is that the lives of too many of their own countrymen are sacrificed in the process.

re: #125 Highrise

re: #117 cookielady

And I NEVER said he (MY president) couldn't do anything right. On the contrary! I just think he should have been more aggressive and less 'compassionate conservative' and more actual conservative.

Oh, Ronnie, there will never be your like again, I fear... :-(

The thought that I bolded up there has also crossed my mind. I try not to second guess the Commander in Chief on this because I'm not a strategist but things like sadr being alive has made me a bit ticked off.

So, when a thought like that crosses my mind, I ponder on this map. Look at how we are sitting pretty in the countries surrounding Iran. Seeing where our bases are...it's almost on the brilliant side. History will judge Bush for sure either way.

Given that map, I'm starting to see that the USA actually winning the hearts and minds of the iraqi's has many benefits to it in the end. Time will tell. I just know I see that phrase in a much different light.

Thats what I was trying to say...it took time...without rushing into a blood bath right away.

re: #112 WrathofG-d

ANOTHER Homocide-Vest bombing stopped by IDF.

/Through Egypt none-the-less...glad that "Disengagement" is working out for Israel. Land for Peace...its the ONLY option. (*barf*)

They're stopping these bombers constantly. They've gotten really good at it.

BTW - Have you folks visited Israel? If so, good. If not, go soon. You'll love it. It's fun and beautiful in itself (and high tech, cultural, etc. etc. so much). And it gives you a whole new view of the entire situation.

We have friends who have lived in the U.S. and Israel and they say they like both...you live peacefully in the U.S. with no rockets, but you have to worry about your kids' safety. In Israel, you're freaking out about rockets (or suicide bombers before) but your kids can go out and play.

re: #126 Ward Cleaver

The multi-Month war that never happened. This is why I claim there is a bias against Israel and it is most likely based on Anti-Semetic sentiments.

Btw: What do you do in YOUR Mosque?

OT:

Am I the only one that has an issue with this caption?

Lebanon and the "Israeli side"?

Maybe its making a mountain out of molehill but shouldn't that read "Lebanon and Israel". Simple mistake? Journalistic license? Or, the writers inability to admit that there is a State called Israel?...thus it is not the State of Israel but instead that area that has Israelis...you know that Palestinian Territories and the Israeli side.

first, shanah tovah u'metukah to all.

secondly: everyone with whom i've spoken, from leftist to conservative likud member, is fed up with olmert. kadima had potential, i think. i would like to hope that sharon's grand plan was to give up gaza and the west bank so as to allow the palestinian factions time to destroy each other. it certainly would have lent weight to a later engagement and subsequent assumption of the territory once more.

unfortunately, that window is closed.

and now we're left with a hard truth. land for peace does not work. peace talks do not work when the basis for policy is in and of itself illogical. you cannot fight hate with love [i'm sure there are exceptions. feel free to point them out. if they're literary i will respond immediately with, 'that ain't the real world.']

this is not china. soft power will not work.

g-d bless the IDF, the IAF, and the golani, and any other troops in israel that are doing their part to safeguard our country.

g-d bless the american army, navy, air force, marines, and any other folk out there who are doing their part to safeguard our country.

i have a sneaking suspicion that it's going to be a very nasty fall and winter...

re: #127 WrathofG-d

I didn't say anyone is coming to Israel's aid or side. All I said is that many people are silent who normally issue a U.N. resolution, for example.

If that's all you've got, then all I can say is enjoy the holidays.

re: #134 Sunlight

"all i got"?

Doinks!

re: #127 WrathofG-d

One small correction

Sharon is the Author and the person executed a masterful end around the Egyptian Third Army during the 73 war that caught the entire Egyptian formation on the wrong side of the Suez Canal and ended that war

brilliant if not insubordinate

Highrise (#125),

Given that map, I'm starting to see that the USA actually winning the hearts and minds of the iraqi's has many benefits to it in the end. Time will tell. I just know I see that phrase in a much different light.

150,000 US troops. 25 million Iraqis.

Winning the hearts and minds isn't an option.

re: #136 amrilusaguy

I cannot take anything away from Sharon in terms of his service as a IDF soldier, or a tank commander. His action in 1967 in the Sinai is legendary.

Everything after however...well he can...[deleted]

OT:

The Terrorist leader of Fatah-Al-Islam wears a "peace/euro/kumbayya" scarf.

re: #135 WrathofG-d

re: #134 Sunlight

"all i got"?

Doinks!

You make one want to cry or evacuate or something. #133 has a good summary of the "hard truth", but it had to be demonstrated. So we need to support Israel forward from here, where we are.

re: #136 amrilusaguy

Just re read your comment and realized that you were discussing the 73 war. You are correct. I appologize for my original response, and re state:

As a tank commander, Sharon is legendary...as a politician [deleted]

re: #138 WrathofG-d

unfortunately, i'm not sure it should be so easy to denigrate former military commanders who have moved into the israeli government. for one thing, the knesset is notoriously moody. to get ANYTHING done in israel, given the widespread corruption/lack of transparency [fact of life, ask most israeli citizens] and fractured coalitions, requires compromise.

it's the downside of democracy, one which which i'm willing to live.

you cannot judge a politician by the what he failed to do, i think. there are too many pitfalls and chasms into which they might fall, and fault isn't easily assigned [again, if there are exceptions, forgive me.]

you can judge a politician by what he did do. and i do think ariel sharon tried his best, in service of his country, and that's all i or anyone else can ask.

experiencedtraveller

How Syria stayed off 'the list' is beyond me...

Perhaps that should be the topic of the day. Why it is not only serves to
cover the reality of our backward appeasement.

Face it Syria has gotten off the hook completely in this war on terror and no one wonders why or dares to ask. It has been shameful. Frankly, to divert what elected officials on the other side wouldn't do or should have done when we have done nothing is a complete waste of time.

Iran, RUSSIA, China, Syria, Egypt, the Saudi's, Pakistan and the Palestinians ALL for my two cents are laughing their brains out. When we talk of the war on terror it is high time we hold those who commit terror and sponsor it TO THE FIRE as was promised. THUS FAR OUR TOOTHLESS CONTAMINATIONS don't amount to anything.

The only condemnations with teeth by those who should know better are are those launched at Israel. (as in yesterday: US cautions Israel of any retaliatory attack on Gaza )
How Israel can be mocked for their inaction when again Iran, Russia, China, Syria, Egypt the Saudi's, Pakistan and the Palestinians get away with murder the last almost 8 years just blows my mind.

35 simonml

We don't give Israel enough credit for keeping Mid East nations from developing nuclear capability. Their military intelligence and fortitude to act on said intelligence keeps us all safer.

No, cause we are too busy being haughty at a country who has been bullied into submission by those who know better who have sanitized the Palestinians to the MAX. Furthermore, the ineptly bankrupt as*hole Olmert is adored by the US led quartet who know they have a real pawn when they see one.

4 opinionated
Amen

Frankly, as far as Arab abilities go in the region, we are not that far off from 1967.

Essentially, if they want to (they should), Irael can use the IDF to soften up targets that are major threats to their civilian population (missile sites, nuclear or otherwise), and other than continuing to arm Hezbollah and the Palestinians, there is not a DAMN thing these countries can do about it.

OT:

A PLO Fatah (ie: the guys that invented modern day terrorism) supporter wears a "peace/Euro" scarf.

Oh those in SF, and NY would be so proud.

re: #146 ploome hineni

that's what i'm being told, too. there are too many parties and not enough coherence. it's almost as though the problems with the russian electoral system migrated to israel, along with the olim.

there is one thing at which israel excels, among others, and i'd like to point it out, especially in the wake of the petraeus report.

israel recognizes the military experience of its...well...military. the advice of combatants and warriors and generals is respected, and treated as such: words of wisdom from those who have been there, and seen that.

would that the united states congress treated our military with the same accord.

re: #148 Kefirah

re: #146 ploome hineni

that's what i'm being told, too. there are too many parties and not enough coherence. it's almost as though the problems with the russian electoral system migrated to israel, along with the olim.

there is one thing at which israel excels, among others, and i'd like to point it out, especially in the wake of the petraeus report.

israel recognizes the military experience of its...well...military. the advice of combatants and warriors and generals is respected, and treated as such: words of wisdom from those who have been there, and seen that.

would that the united states congress treated our military with the same accord.

"Our military"? Are you in the U.S. or Israel?

re: #149 Sunlight

united states, darling, though as a jewess i keep up with happenings in both countries, and consider the security of both to be of utmost importance.

Remember that DEBKA report a few months ago about a North Korean ship sunk by Israel? Could that have actually happened, and is that a "dot" to be connected to this story?

More questions than answers right now.

re: #142 Kefirah

In most cases i might agree

re Sharon specificly sorry he flubbed it big time

Since Israel has destroyed a target in Syria, when will the rebuilding in Syria beigin by Israel? Or is that just a rule for the U.S. military? The whole...if you broke it, you own it rule.

/extreme but legitimate sarcasm.

re: #142 Kefirah

You can defend Sharon's Pogrom against the Jewish people if you would like. Many people have different opinions on the topic. I respect our ability to disagree.

But if you look at the history of the Ethnic Cleansing you will see that it didn't have popular support in the Knesset, nor that it was a "compromise". Its was Sharon's baby. Guilt of Sabra Shatila maybe? Temporary insanity? The way it had to be because of the way the Bible tells it? Who knows.

I forgive Sharon for conducting a pogrom againt the Jewish people as much as I do Hitler, and Russia. They too had "difficult Government bodies" and "political reasons for doing what they did".

Sharon made things worse...much worse. Jews do not kick Jews out of their homes and give them to the enemy...not matter what one's military history is.

Sharon, like all other Israeli politicians, should be able to look at what has worked and what has not and give up this pathetic "land for peace" charade for now. We are nowhere near a place where that formulation will work. Israel and her "leaders" should have learned that after 1967, after Oslo, after Camp David, after Taba, after Sharm El-Sheik, etc. They didn't need "disengagement" to be reminded again how moronic the premise is.

If this were the 1st time Israel had to suffer to learn this lesson I would give the "great military General" a pass. It isn't however.

He has done to us what the Romans, Russians, and Germans did. For that I will NEVER forgive him.

my 2 cents

re: #154 AirForceWife

If you own it, and choose to leave it as is, is that OK? I know, rhetorical question...

The notion that Israel bombed a load of missiles on route from Iran to Hezbollah in Lebanon makes no sense. The strike was 400 kilometers east of Damascus. Iranian planes freely land in Damascus where the Syrians take the weapons and ship them west to Lebanon.

Therefore, it had to be something else: chemical or nuclear related. Not necessarily nuclear weapons, but could also be materials or equipment for producing nuclear material, or warhead parts.

The fact that North Korea loudly protested, when they usually remain silent on Mid-east events, suggests NoKo agents, scientists or engineers were killed.

And for the record, here is Bush's famous but usually misquoted
"axis of evil" speech,

Our second goal is to prevent regimes that sponsor terror from threatening America or our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction. Some of these regimes have been pretty quiet since September the 11th. But we know their true nature. North Korea is a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction, while starving its citizens.

Iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror, while an unelected few repress the Iranian people's hope for freedom.

Iraq continues to flaunt its hostility toward America and to support terror. The Iraqi regime has plotted to develop anthrax, and nerve gas, and nuclear weapons for over a decade. This is a regime that has already used poison gas to murder thousands of its own citizens -- leaving the bodies of mothers huddled over their dead children. This is a regime that agreed to international inspections -- then kicked out the inspectors. This is a regime that has something to hide from the civilized world.

States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. They could provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred. They could attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the United States. In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic.

Clearly, Bush referred to more actors than just NoKo, Iran, & Iraq.

Until I can figure out how to direct link Google Earth locations this will have to do...

As Sadirah SCUD and CW site in Syria:

36 degrees 04’12.68” N 37 degrees 20’25.49” E SAM-2 site.

36 degrees 02’52.94”N 37 degrees 20’37.05”E SCUD & CW site (listed).

36 degrees 02’59.50”N 37 degrees 20’19.56”E SCUD & CW site (actual).

36 degrees 02’02.69”N 37 degrees 20’58.04”E Command post.

36 degrees 01’59.18”N 37 degrees 21’02.73”E Tunnel entrance.

THAT
IS
ALL,
R

re: #155 WrathofG-d

AS bad as you describe it

the facts on the ground are worse

the public was sold a bill of goods - the only referendum held on the subject voted it down and it still happened curious because Golda said the party before the country and the party said no and it still happend

there are those who see Sharon's current condition as punishment from on high for these transgretions

re: #158 Render

Until I can figure out how to direct link Google Earth locations this will have to do...

As Sadirah SCUD and CW site in Syria:

36 degrees 04’12.68” N 37 degrees 20’25.49” E SAM-2 site.

36 degrees 02’52.94”N 37 degrees 20’37.05”E SCUD & CW site (listed).

36 degrees 02’59.50”N 37 degrees 20’19.56”E SCUD & CW site (actual).

36 degrees 02’02.69”N 37 degrees 20’58.04”E Command post.

36 degrees 01’59.18”N 37 degrees 21’02.73”E Tunnel entrance.

THAT
IS
ALL,
R

Um...

How do you know these?

re: #159 amrilusaguy

re: #155 WrathofG-d

AS bad as you describe it

the facts on the ground are worse

the public was sold a bill of goods - the only referendum held on the subject voted it down and it still happened curious because Golda said the party before the country and the party said no and it still happend

there are those who see Sharon's current condition as punishment from on high for these transgretions

It is interesting to me how many people I speak to who changed their minds about Israel after Sharon's ethnic cleansing. What Sharon did to his own people is atrocious. Even if it were to bring about peace, (which anyone with 1/2 a mind would know it wouldn't) I sill might have been against it. Its not Peace at any cost for Wrath.

I follow the events and the aftermath as much as I can these days. I no longer donate to the organizations I used to (because of their support of the ethnic cleansing) and advocate on behalf of the residents of Yesha wherever I can.

What occured and the aftermath are a shonda. A black mark that will NEVER be forgotten.

As for Sharon's condition...I don't feel bad about it.

Kenneth (#157),

Clearly, Bush referred to more actors than just NoKo, Iran, & Iraq.

Oh, so now were bringing facts into the discussion huh?

#156 ORD neighbor 9/12/07 1:11:31 pm reply quote report 0

re: #154 AirForceWife

If you own it, and choose to leave it as is, is that OK? I know, rhetorical question...

LOL...except I won't ever take ownership for a mess that isn't my fault. If my neighbor is harming me and my family and paying off others to do the same, I'm not paying his medical bills after he ends up in the hospital due to the action I had to take to stop him.

re: #160 astronmr20

Google Earth is a tool.

Paste the first coordinates into the Google Earth search window, (minus the word "degrees"), and then zoom in.

You will find a six launcher SAM-2 AA missile site.

MAP
READER,
R

(sigh) Israelis doing the job lefties won't let us do. :(

re: #164 Render

re: #160 astronmr20

Google Earth is a tool.

Paste the first coordinates into the Google Earth search window, (minus the word "degrees"), and then zoom in.

You will find a six launcher SAM-2 AA missile site.

MAP
READER,
R

Holy shit.

Wow.

#143 selpaw

Face it Syria has gotten off the hook completely in this war on terror and no one wonders why or dares to ask. It has been shameful. Frankly, to divert what elected officials on the other side wouldn't do or should have done when we have done nothing is a complete waste of time.

While I would agree Syria hasn't gotten all the "attention" it deserves, (a couple JDAMs on Assad's chinless head for starters), they have not gotten off the hook completely. The Hariri inquiry is going ahead, which is what prompted Assad to launch the terrorist take over of the refugee camp in Lebanon. Now those thugs have been destroyed, Assad is baked into a corner.

Did you notice the complete silence from the Arab media about the IDF raid? Egypt? ...crickets, Jordan?...crickets, Saudi Arabia? ...crickets again. The reason for that is that Syria's relations with those Arab countries is the worst ever. Ever. The Syrians have thrown their lot in with the Iranians and the Arab states hate the Iranians alomst as much as they hate the Israelis, but they fear the Iranians even more. Hell, even the French are boycotting the Syrians now!

Assad must see the writing on the wall. The Iranians will risk Syrian lives to defend their own regime, but they won't help save the thugs in Damascus. The evil Assad regime is going down.

re: #167 Kenneth

Gee, I wish I could agree with you. Only time will tell.

re: #137 Geepers

Highrise (#125),

Given that map, I'm starting to see that the USA actually winning the hearts and minds of the iraqi's has many benefits to it in the end. Time will tell. I just know I see that phrase in a much different light.

150,000 US troops. 25 million Iraqis.

Winning the hearts and minds isn't an option.

details details...

/snicker :)

#165 Hard Right 9/12/07 1:22:45 pm reply quote report 0
(sigh) Israelis doing the job lefties won't let us do. :(

LOL...good one. Although at the same time, Pres. Bush must be infected somewhat by the left-sided, liberalis moonbatitis because he's the President, we are under a Republican adm, and he isn't striking any threatening targets. Too preoccupied with winning hearts and minds I guess. He doesn't have the full blown case of it. Maybe just a less virulent cousin strain. The end stage of the disease should be named Sheehanalopathy.

Diplomacy @ LoL

The State Department negotiated North Korea into sending some nuclear material to Iran and Syria?!

/Send Foggy to the Bottom

Hang Kucinich for Teason

"Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court. "

re: #155 WrathofG-d
I agree with you totally

re: #154 AirForceWife

yep one of our pc bs

#158 Render

Fantastic! I just went & installed Google Earth and checked those co-ordinates. Definately some funny looking buildings there. It would be lovely to see some fresh updated images, with the nice new Israeli renovations!

#169 Highrise
#137 Geepers

Re: winning hearts and minds...

It seems the US is winning their minds now. I'll settle for that.

re: #173 southernborn

Thanks.

I wish I were wrong...but i'm not

re: #29 Spiny Norman

...Israeli officials believed that North Korea might be unloading some of its nuclear material on Syria.

Seems reasonable; it worked for Saddam.

Sho' nuff did. Maybe it's time to revisit the "discussion" of the location of Iraqi WMDs with Dems, Moonbats, and Appeasers.

Next up...

28 degrees 49’46.88” N 50 degrees 53’08.44” E (Bushehr Reactor Unit 1)

That's amazing. Keep it up.re: #166 astronmr20

re: #164 Render
Sorry, I'm just learning how to use this thang.

Keep up with those coordinates.

re: #167 Kenneth

Assad is going down, but only on Ahmadinejad.

/badump - bump

Does anyone remember the train that was blown up in N. Korea in the past couple of years? It was supposed to take out Kim but missed him. I have it in my mind that there were a number of Syrians on that train.

Try this on for size...

Larak Island - Straights of Hormuz.

26 degrees 50'05.03" N 56 degrees 20'24.94 "E Silkworm ASM launch site.

26 degrees 49'44.15" N 56 degrees 21'12.85" E command bunker/radar site/tunnel entrances.

26 degrees 50'37.36" N 56 degrees 22'01.81" E Silkworm ASM launch site.

===

Bandar Abbas Naval Base - North of Larak Island.

27 degrees 08'36.07" N 56 degrees 12'32.82" E Two frigate sized ships at dock.

27 degrees 08'33.56" N 56 degrees 12'54.98" E Three submarines at dock.

===

Chinese aircraft carrier...

38 degrees 56'27.81" N 121 degrees 38'41.43" E

TOUR
GUIDE,
R

#183 Render

Try this on for size...

Larak Island - Straights of Hormuz.

26 degrees 50'05.03" N 56 degrees 20'24.94 "E Silkworm ASM launch site.

26 degrees 49'44.15" N 56 degrees 21'12.85" E command bunker/radar site/tunnel entrances.

26 degrees 50'37.36" N 56 degrees 22'01.81" E Silkworm ASM launch site.

===

Bandar Abbas Naval Base - North of Larak Island.

27 degrees 08'36.07" N 56 degrees 12'32.82" E Two frigate sized ships at dock.

27 degrees 08'33.56" N 56 degrees 12'54.98" E Three submarines at dock.

===

Chinese aircraft carrier...

38 degrees 56'27.81" N 121 degrees 38'41.43

you the man

Im surprized anyone is able to see that. Not long ago, I googled Guam and there were numerous x 'ed out areas that couldnt be seen

OT:

Is airforcewife around? I am wondering about the Las Vegas meet up... Can anybody tell me about it?

Why is Germany worried we might disturb Iran? They haven't been treating with our enemy, have they?

It would be good if we did some sort of multi-billion (US billion=imperial thousand-million) deal with Germany and Russia to keep them in good spirits while we stomp Iran's nuclear plans into dust.

I like the Damascus that once was. I hope Damascus will not get destroyed. However, if Damascus has to go to defang Syria, then I wish the once great city a fond farewell.

re: #185 southernborn

Im surprized anyone is able to see that. Not long ago, I googled Guam and there were numerous x 'ed out areas that couldnt be seen

It may be that WE, the US, who hold the keys to the internet tell Google what and what not they can display.

re: #183 Render

OK guys, no doubt the bad guys also use Google Earth, but I have a son training Kuwaiti's in tank warfare and this really makes me uneasy. No doubt he will say, gees everyone knows this stuff. So OK, but how do you know they are our submarines, our missile sites? Can you see that closely? I found my house on it before I put on the new roof. I could tell by the color. Now it is tasteful!

This would certainly explain the very public pronouncements recently by the North Koreans that they were supposedly discontinuing their nuclear program. How convenient. Champagne toasts and diplomat smiles, all intended to make certain they don't get placed on the "retaliation target list" when the Syrians and Iranians set off their 2nd hand nukes in Israel and the US.

Here's my concern. If the Norks can pull off such a "surrogate strike" sleight of hand with crappy, primitive nukes, why couldn't the Chicoms or the Russians with much more deadly samples?

re: #161 WrathofG-d

I am very puzzled about the Israeli Knesset. How can it be that either PM Sharon could unilaterally pull out of Gaza, or Olmert make a deal to give away the West Bank without ratification from all the members of parliment, oops, the Knesset?

Excuseme,
I didn't read all the prior comments but wasn't there an Iraqi Air Force General who said he flew most of Sadam's nuclear arsenal (or makings thereof) to Syria?
Maybe I just imagined it...

A bit late to this, but all I can say is hope it's true and Happy New Year.

re: #3 experiencedtraveller

How Syria stayed off 'the list' is beyond me...

Who sez "they were off the list?"

Things were left to fester, but it still wasn't "working." It was only in the building process. And, Israel took its time.

Doing so, let's the charade continue.

While the enemy-media isn't connected to those who really know what's going on.

You could draw some clues from the facts. News leaked "slowly." Sounded like it was a "mistake of an over-flight; and a dropped fuel tank."

While the insiders? I'd bet they're in an uproar!

To say nothing of the fact that russia cashed in; selling syria and iran anti-aircraft batteries they swore was "jam proof."

Bush just kept his cards close to his vest.

And, he let Petraeus go in front of the senate ... Gee, just as those bozos asked.

If you're gonna defeat your enemy; first, you must be willing to "meet your enemy." No. You don't have to give away state secrets.

Bush must be made of steel. Gosh, they went after him now for years on end; claiming there were no WMD's.

Now? Well, ya got a melting pile. In the syrian desert. And, russians, who are again shown to be duplitious. Yet, they still make military crap.

Do you know how many times, already, the Israelis have licked the pants of the russians? Well, I'll help ya count. The arabs haven't stopped buying the russian crap. Complete with their "experts."

And, where's the successes? In Israel. One of the really, really good ones was the 6-Day War. Dreamed up, for the arabs, in russia. To put an end to Demona. Oh, boy. Talk about whipping ass.

You'd think by now the russians would walk around with their tail between their legs? Perhaps, instead? They just pass hand-signals to each other in toilets? All that vodka's gotta come out, streaming.

The magic of Bush is that Condi didn't don white underpants and do a jig for Olmert. No finger waving. Heck, you don't even see finger pointing.

Just a knowledge that whatever was "up" in Assad's head; is now being shit out, when he goes to the bathroom; big time. Kapish?

re: #8 Shug

Israeli jets “bombed a Syrian-Iranian missile base in northern Syria that was financed by Iran... It appears that the base was completely destroyed.”

Olmert suddenly found a pair of matzo balls?

No, it's just that the view popular around here that Olmert is a thorough appeaser is wrong. He's not a great leader by any stretch, but he deserves credit for giving Hezbollah and Syria bloodly noses. And neither of them have dared to retaliate so far.

re: #48 Piglet-U93

There was no attack, if there had been an attack a great deal of whinning and seething would have flooded the media.

There was an attack. The Syrians were so impotent they are reluctant to admit it. So as long as Israel isn't publicly admitting it, the Syrians would prefer to pretend it was just an airspace violation.

re: #113 Andy Dufresne

I would have no problem with this, but I don't buy the part that Israel destroyed a camp over in Syria. If Israel had bombed Syria, even if it was a terrorist camp, Assad would have gone on the BBC and claimed it was a school, and the media would buy that hook, line and sinker.

Hopefully this helps build the case for actual strict sanctions against Iran and the Hiter of our time, Ahmadinejad, as the appeasers in Europe supposedly still have cold feet.

Nope, you are wrong. There is a long history of Israel kicking Syria's butt and Syria not admitting it.

First, Assad can't afford to have his subjects questioning his manhood.

Second, what is he going to do about it? Start a war and really get his Mohammeden butt kicked?

Mohammedens like to beat their chests when George Wimp Bush calls Islam "a religion of peace." But the moment someone gives them a taste of the beating they so richly deserve, they either run and hide or beg for mercy.

During the 1980s Israel wiped out the Syrian air force. But Israel and Syria have an understanding about such things: Israel won't brag if Syria doesn't complain.

It's amazing that N. Korea issued a statement slamming the incursion -- insinuating that they were on the receiving end of the attack.

Guam -

13 degrees 26'40.14" N 144 degrees 39'37.21" E (USS San Francisco 688 class SSN in dry dock.)

[Link: www.ssbn611.org...]

13 degrees 35'0412"N 144 degrees 55'27.10 E Anderson AFB (F-16's and various transports on the flight line.)

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Barksdale AFB La. -

32 degrees 30'06.36" N 93 degrees 39'45.17" W (At least forty B-52's, and a dozen A-10's visible on the flight line.)

Minot AFB ND. -

48 degrees 25'02.19" N 101 degrees 20'00.52 W (Sixteen B-52's visible on the flight line.)

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Norfolk Naval Base Va. -

36 degrees 57'27.25" N 76 degrees 19'45.32" W (Three aircraft carriers side by side in port.)

This last location shows an example of what happens when the DoD doesn't want something seen from above. Certain sections of two of the carriers decks are whited out.

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It is very unlikely that Olmert grew a pair. It is much more likely that
ARIEL SHARON woke up for 10 minutes!

1) SHARON'S stroke was a tremendous lose for the entire western
democratic world.

2) It is highly likely that the Israeli air strike was a prelude to the
American air strike on the Iranian nuke facilities--specifically the
test of the ability to jam the new Russian SAM system. It was
almost certainly a joint mission-although entirely Israeli planes.

ibrodsky (#195, 197),

That's pretty funny. You defend Olmert and then call George Bush a "wimp".

Nevergiveup (#200),

It is highly likely that the Israeli air strike was a prelude to the American air strike on the Iranian nuke facilities--specifically the test of the ability to jam the new Russian SAM system. It was almost certainly a joint mission-although entirely Israeli planes.

Quite possibly. And if it wasn't, I can guarantee you that the US was watching it real time. Good luck avoid our radar systems.

If I were Assad I'd be asking the Russians for my money back on them fancy new weapons.
Hard to believe Olmert was behind this- but I love the contrast. Assad and Ahmadinejad blustet; the IAF quietly goes in, makes big craters in the desert, and gets way with no losses.

Geepers, it is great to see you back here.
I'd wager we did more than just watch in surprise as the IAF planes showed up on our radar. We may not have helped but we knew what beforehand what was going down.

jim in virginia (#204),

Thanks jim.

We may not have helped but we knew what beforehand what was going down.

Yeah. It's highly unlikely that the IAF would chance US forces mistaking any supersonic blips over Syria for anything other than what and who they were.

re: #201 Geepers

ibrodsky (#195, 197),

That's pretty funny. You defend Olmert and then call George Bush a "wimp".

No defense of Olmert is possible.

Ditto the Minder-in-Chief of the Arab Street.

re: #205 Geepers

jim in virginia (#204),

Thanks jim.

We may not have helped but we knew what beforehand what was going down.

Yeah. It's highly unlikely that the IAF would chance US forces mistaking any supersonic blips over Syria for anything other than what and who they were.

I'm thinking the "blips" were few and far between. Sounds like some scary NOE flying, IMO.

Assad has his gonads in a vise. Syria has admitted the IAF blew up something, and escaped unscathed. If he retaliates, he can't win, he merely gives Israel the opportunity to do much more serious damage. If he doesn't, he looks like a wimp to democracy reformers, fundamentalists, his military, anyone anti- Assad. How long can he hang on to power?

Here's the first rational explanation I've seen for why Israel seems so reluctant to act when provoked (like the last Qassam.) The status quo is not good, but it is better than the alternatives if the status quo is disturbed.
That Israel acted indicates that they believed this was a very serious threat.
Interesting times indeed.

Beagle (#207),

Sounds like some scary NOE flying, IMO.

Possibly. Tricky stuff that. Would you take the chance of a "pilot error" crash on a mission like this?

jim in virginia (#208),

How long can he hang on to power?

You're not the only one thinking that. See ploome's link at #111.

InstaPundit just put up a Wall Street Journal/NBC Poll. Bush's popularity notched up. And, so did faith in our troops in Irak.

Up ahead?

Bush has a full menu of choices. Among them, who he picks to replace Alberto Gonzales.

Will Bush fight Iran now? What with Rama-Dama-Ding-Dong upon us. Which also means a full moon.

Full moons aren't the best of times to journey about with troops.

Not that I can tell what happens next. I'm not in the 'loop.'

I've always liked Olmert, by the way. Yes, Arik Sharon's stroke was catastrophic. And, it's just amazing that Olmert not only held on; but managed to cobble his government together; where he is as much a master of the "weak hand" as President Bush.

What the senators just did for the past two days, was spit on General Petraeus. Once, during John Kerry's "yoot," when the gigolo was still on Wife #1; it became common practice to spit on American troops.

One reason? So many were drafted. So many didn't want to go. That our military had to re-learn a few lessons.

Decades, ago, it did so.

That the affirmative action crowd thought they'd spit on General Patraeus, and it has no costs? Those idiots don't know the first thing about bringing customers on board. Or into their store.

What they have? Lawyers. An ability to steal votes.

And, once upon a time they had the pundits of the fish wraps.

Hey, today, even Walmart is changing it's "lowest prices" signs; and coming up with a new-new advertising format. See what happens when your bottom line starts to sink?

Wishful thinking isn't gonna do much, ahead.

As to President Bush, he will do what he does best. He takes his time. Drives his enemies crazy.

re: #146 ploome hineni

re: #142 Kefirah

they have to change the electoral system

as it is, its a mess

They can't. Any trip to Israel you'd take would expose the problem. Intertwined in Israel, are arabs. 1/5 of the population. If you tried to put in a system like ours, made worse by "winner take all" ... the Jews wouldn't have a nation of their own, any longer.

What Israel has are the opportunities most Jews don't get anywhere else. (Except that I've read that Sarkozy, in France, comes from Jewish stock.) Could be true? Can't vouch for this.

But in Israel, Jews can choose other Jews for political positions. And, they can choose to live however they like. That there are groups and factions? Yes. But people are FREE. And, best of all, they are free to defend themselves.

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Is airforcewife around? I am wondering about the Las Vegas meet up... Can anybody tell me about it?

Just got here. It's going to be at the Flamingo on either Friday the 21rst or Sat the 22nd of this month. So far only a few of us. Bethoven was asking about it too. I know there must be more of us in the Las Vegas area so we should try to get the word out before then.

#120 Opinionated 9/12/07 12:27:10 pm reply quote report

But the World can go down in flame, according to some Conservatives/Republicans, because domestic Social Issues- on which he has little or no say- are what's important in a President

Rudy is not my first choice but not because of issues like abortion. He is not my first choice because I have not heard him distinguish himself from Pres. Bush as to how he would change our strategy in Iraq so that our military objectives are attainable ones or how he would stop Iran from persisting with their nuclear weapons technology. He also has a poor record on illegal immigration reform and that is not on the level of a domestic social issue to me. It is about national security and is our weak link in national security.

President Bush has been a far better leader in my opinion than Gore or Kerry would have been. I still don't want another President Bush though. I want someone much tougher but whose message will resonate with conservative Democrats as much as Conservative Republicans and that leader will have to be someone who thinks of himself as the leader of America, not the world. Someone who is very nationalistic and actually puts the interests of our country first. That is going to take someone who doesn't give a damn about being PC and who is not a typical politician.

I like Rudy, but he's more like my 4th choice and it's not because the world can go down in flames for all I care. It's just my honest assessment of the situation.

re: #212 Carol Herman

b''h.

well-said.

and wrath of g-d:

i understand your frustration with what sharon did. i certainly did not agree with the pull.out, or the subsequent treatment of settlers. as i have stated previously: land for peace does not work.

i think, because i am slightly removed from the situation, my vitriolic fury [which it would be, i assure you, if i lived in ha'aretz] has been mitigated by distance.

so you'll have to forgive me my moderated stance.

and again - shanah tovah, everyone!

re: #127 WrathofG-d

Is there any doubt that Israeli politicians move to the left in order to appease the U.S. Jewish community which in turn, ensures a steady flow of $$$?

re: #201 Geepers

ibrodsky (#195, 197),

That's pretty funny. You defend Olmert and then call George Bush a "wimp".

Yep, I would rate the incompetent Olmert slightly better than Bush.

Olmert responded to a kidnapping with a war. (A war that Bush and Rice stopped to save Hezbollah.) And now he approved a secret military strike against Syria.

But I've never heard of Olmert saying that Islam is a "religion of peace."

It is worth remembering that 10 Syrians died in that mysterious train explosion in North Korea a few years back.

And Iranian observers attended North Korea's Nuclear test.

Time out to consider how fantastic George Bush really is!

All this stuff is on his desk, first thing every morning.

He doesn't go to bed without knowing the agenda; and what his choices on the menu really are.

Sure, we saw Condi staying indoors.

So Israel was able to do a Special Ops operation in gazoo; where the planner of Shalit's kidnapping got captured. This did get written up; because the operation was done with a group of guys dressed as "grocers," who went "in" unnoticed; and who rode up in a donkey cart. So they could pull right up to the idiot who was "out on his land." And, then he was being flown by helicopter to Shin Bet headquarters. (This is like picking up a computer, so you can "read" the software.) And, it went on without a hitch.

Next thing we hear about is this overflight. Into syria. With the complaint from syria to the UN. (And, no Condi Rice waving fingers or white flags, or anything.)

Bush was focussed on General Patraeus' visit to The Hill. Where the Internet gave you a much wider focus than C-Span ever did! You did form some opinions from that stuff, haven't ya?

Today, there's more information breaking. Seems that it wasn't just an oops factor, riding in over the syrian border and losing a fuel tank. Other stuff happened. And, while the russians and north koreans are yelling (in the direction of the UN); you'll notice that the russians aren't offering "refunds." But they'll change the sign from "NO JAM FOR YOU." To Jammed. Courtesy of Israel.

Of course, this is the New Year; and, Rama-Dama-Ding-Dong. It also means it's a full moon out.

And, whatever Bush does next, well? May come as a surprise to you.

But he's known about all these factors for quite some time.

Gave away no poker "tells."

#218: DANEgerus: FANTASTIC! Yes, at least 10 syrians died. And, it could'a been a nuclear "accident." There are lots of players in this mix, too.

I wonder what our President considers "perfect timing?"

ibrodsky (#217),

Olmert responded to a kidnapping with a war. (A war that Bush and Rice stopped to save Hezbollah.)

So apparently the bad ass Olmert does what the wimp Bush tells him to.

Ynet has a report that the target was a Syrian-Iranian missile base, citing an Israeli Arab source.

I think the North Korean response is illogical. It is saying that what Israel did was destabilizing to the region. This does not hold up when considering that Israel has had nukes for a long time and has never used them as a first strike. Therefore, there is no defensive logic for Syria to have nukes. The only reason they would need nukes is for their own first strike because they are insane and power hungry. So what Israel did was stabilizing to the region, not destabilizing.