The Grim Death of the MSM

So how many Islamic terrorists are in Hell courtesy of the U.S. military?

A Billion Iraqi deaths and now this?

What next? Blame Bush for the coming ice age?

In my local newspaper, they've elected to include the AP body count every day. A small gray block is dedicated to the deaths of US troops, but not a word on terrorists killed or civilians saved.

speechless...

Do they trumpet the deaths in Afghanistan?
No.
Why is that?

Obsessive.

did you see that in the article about Giuliani talking to his wife during a speech the very last sentence made sure to tell how many times he was married? Just another little hit by AP.

re: #6 meMarc

Because 1) we're clearly winning in Afghanistan and 2) Afghanistan doesn't have the "illegal war" aura of Iraq the moonbats so desperately cling to.

Twelve of them died in a rollover last week, and I'm pretty certain that if they die in a combat zone, they are included in these 'counts'. It doesn't make it any easier to swallow.

They are simply building up to a somber and respectful memorial to our troops.

re: #10 Sharmuta

re: #6 meMarc

Because 1) we're clearly winning in Afghanistan and 2) Afghanistan doesn't have the "illegal war" aura of Iraq the moonbats so desperately cling to.

I guess those deaths just don't count then.

G-d bless our soldiers.

I wonder if these rocket scientists will ever show a bar graph comparing military fatalities during the Clinton years with those from Iraq?

I wish we could get an estimate on how many lives were SAVED by their sacrifice. Not that the MSM would be interested in that.

I'm sure the Lancet has it higher...

re: #14 directorblue

are there statistics? numbers?

re: #13 meMarc

I would add 3) Afghanistan will invoke 9/11- the msm doesn't want us remembering 9/11- we might remember how righteously p*ssed we were.

[Link: terroristdeathwatch.com...]

Yet this is of no concern to them:

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

Not to mention that the figure mentioned, 3,793, is about twice that for the same time period in LA County alone.

re: #14 directorblue

Here

re: #19 gooddad
Thanks for the information.

re: #8 kingronjo

I was taking a "which candidate matches your requirements" quiz a few minutes a go, to show silhouette Junior how to select who one will vote for President.

The particular site, which I selected at random, was transparent in its bias when it asked

"What is your preferred marital state for a candidate:

Single
Widowed
Divorced
Married to his first wife
Married to his second wife
Married to his third wife

I'm sure that it a standard question every year. /sarc

(You should have seen the wording about civil liberty erosion)

"At the 2006 casualty rate of 800 soldiers per year, the United States would have to be in Iraq for more than 50 years to equal just one year of automobile deaths back home."

[Link: www.noys.org...]

How much of these papers does Saudi money own? It's almost as if they have a quota to fill of anti-war sentiment to appease their puppet-masters.

It says a lot about AP when they see the rise of our own soldier's body count as the ONE and ONLY item in the war in Iraq they are eager to print while ignoring the body count of terrorists. Doesn't the body count of the enemy count in a war too? Perhaps AP is ashamed to print the body count of our enemy?

re: #27 WayDownSouthInBama

It says a lot about AP when they see the rise of our own soldier's body count as the ONE and ONLY item in the war in Iraq they are eager to print while ignoring the body count of terrorists. Doesn't the body count of the enemy count in a war too? Perhaps AP is ashamed to print the body count of our enemy?

I don't think they know how to count that high.

re: #25 Kreuzueber Halbmond
wow.

You know, it just shows that the libs are all about being contrary. Doesn't matter what it's about, as long as they can be against it...

My evidence? Well, remember how they vilified the use of "body counts" during the SE Asia War Games? Yeah, it was evil...caused the Durinesque Storm Troopers of the US Military to want to rack up the numbers...BUT! if it works to make "your" point, then counting bodies all of a sudden becomes a "good" thing.

Side note: Also evidence that they have no standards. That leads to their shrillness over every Republican that falters, yet they have absolute silence for stashing bribery cash in the cold storage of the office 'fridge.

If you have no standards, then you can't be held accountable for violating them. If you do, then you can be pilloried for being a hypocrite.

Ah, the puzzle comes together!

So basically about the same amount of fatalities as the combined murder rate in Detroit, Los Angeles, and New York City for the same period. Heck, aren't these cities all Democrat controlled...and there isn't even a war going on in them.

God Bless Our Soldiers.

OT/
Outrageous Pix: Nation-wide Campaign for Veiling of Sculptures and Statues in Germany -(Islam Watch via TheReligionOfPeace.com)

re: #30 Curt

Stand for nothing and you will fall for anything.

re: #22 rp1138

Ummm... C !

I thought LGF was all about truth. So what's the problem?

Ahmadinejad is responsible for killing U.S. troops. He must be arrested!

Sign the petition: ARREST AHMADINEJAD IN THE U.S. ON SEPTEMBER 23, 2007!

Please pass this around!

re: #32 StarsandStripesForever

Great site- thanks for the link. I bookmarked it.

Do you have any idea how many teenagers die in car accidents? How many deaths there are on our roads?

Seems to me, we could counter the costs of being brave; with the other costs. For instance, driving without your seat belt, on. Or riding a motor cycle without wearing a helmet.

Heck, driving a stick shift car, throwing back a few too many; and, none of your friends can figure out how to drive you home?

Meanwhile, our military trains BETTER than it has ever done, before!

So kids graduating high schools really do have choices: They can join up with Uncle Sam. Or they can waste oodles of money; going into debt, to attend the colleges and universites run by the affirmative action crowd.

Seems to me, some day, ahead, there's gonna be a lot of crying among the college educated. Paying off needless debt. Because they were scared of risks.

re: #38 Sharmuta
Your welcome.
:)

re: #40 StarsandStripesForever
pimf: "you are"

re: #36 So?

We are.
We want the WHOLE truth, not just the parts that fit the left's narrative.

(Hundreds of) Thousands of Iraqis will be slaughtered by al-Queda (and Iran) if U.S. troops leave to soon. The left could care less about that. Their only goal is to make Bush look bad. Dinnerjacket has that same goal.

Uh Oh...

re: #41 song_and_dance_man

re: #36 So?

I thought LGF was all about truth. So what's the problem?

Would you care to clarify your concern?

Yea, explain it to us.

re: #17 paint-right

This may be what you're looking for.

I've nothing to say about the site. I merely went looking for your numbers. I would add only that the assertion they make that less populated stated have paid a dear price - and they have. I've lost no friends yet, but with as few people as occupy the space out here, you know somebody who knows - every one of these soldiers.

Lest we forget, the surge is working.

That leaves 16 percent of the neighborhoods — including much of north Baghdad — still classified as in “disruption,” Fil said. By comparison, 70 percent of the city’s neighborhoods were classified that way in February.

Iraqi civilian deaths, excluding natural causes, have dropped over 45 percent since December 2006. In Baghdad, the figure is even higher, 70 percent.

Al-Qaida is on the run. They have been driven out of Anbar Province which was declared "lost" just months ago.

In Anbar, attacks are down about 80 percent from October 2006.

The Iraqis have turned against al-Qaida and aligned themselves with U.S. forces. Thus far in 2007, over 12,000 Anbar residents have joined the police force compared to 1,000 in all of 2006

.

re: #42 Cognito

Yes! I finally got someone to imply that I'm a chickenhawk!

I just love creative, original arguments.

re: #51 rp1138

re: #42 Cognito

Yes! I finally got someone to imply that I'm a chickenhawk!

I just love creative, original arguments.

I wouldn't say chickenhawk, exactly.

But please. Do continue.

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Over forty-thousand people are killed every year in US highway accidents.

Count me unimpressed if US war casualties are 1/13th of that in a combat zone after SEVERAL years.

The MSM is just a squeaky voice from a remote eccentric orbit in the Moonbaticus System at this point (A system with no planets, but only a central moon around which idiots orbit).

re: #48 Cap'n DOC

re: #17 paint-right

This may be what you're looking for.

I've nothing to say about the site. I merely went looking for your numbers. I would add only that the assertion they make that less populated stated have paid a dear price - and they have. I've lost no friends yet, but with as few people as occupy the space out here, you know somebody who knows - every one of these soldiers.

It's a volunteer service, so 'rate' is by chance. The town next to mine had a draft moratorium in place because of the losses in Vietnam. Coweta OK

re: #2 StarsandStripesForever

So how many Islamic terrorists are in Hell courtesy of the U.S. military?

How many terrorists have been drawn out of the US and EU, and disposed of in Iraq? How many more have been ferreted out here?

These little ghouls probably get turned on writing stories like this.

The sad part is the AP could care less about the individual soldier and what he/she has sacrificed and instead cares more about the total US casualties for political gains.

The AP fails to mention that by deployment to casualty rates they are the lowest in military history.

re: #49 insanity police

I've been here well over a year. How does that qualify as short?

If you're attacking me because you think I'm a troll or a lefty or a lefty, then I think you misread my post.

If you're attacking me because YOU are a lefty or a troll, then whatever.

re: #50 Silhouette

Lest we forget, the surge is working.

That leaves 16 percent of the neighborhoods — including much of north Baghdad — still classified as in “disruption,” Fil said. By comparison, 70 percent of the city’s neighborhoods were classified that way in February.

Iraqi civilian deaths, excluding natural causes, have dropped over 45 percent since December 2006. In Baghdad, the figure is even higher, 70 percent.

Al-Qaida is on the run. They have been driven out of Anbar Province which was declared "lost" just months ago. In Anbar, attacks are down about 80 percent from October 2006.

The Iraqis have turned against al-Qaida and aligned themselves with U.S. forces. Thus far in 2007, over 12,000 Anbar residents have joined the police force compared to 1,000 in all of 2006

.

[Link: patdollard.com...]

WHAT?

We destroyed the largest army in the middle east, detained and hanged the dictator, and occupied the country for 4 years, and lost 4000 soldiers?

How could we be so incompetent!

This reminds me -- it's almost time for me to do a "Another Grim Muslim Milestone" post.

Periodically I sift through the reports worldwide of terror attacks and tote up the body count of Muslims killed by AQ and allies. It would be a good thing if other bloggers started picking up the theme. It's well under-reported.

re: #46 ChenZhen

That took you how long?

I hung a brand new flag at our home when our boys and gals, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters went in to Afganistan and swore I wouldn't take it down until every last one of them is out of the Middle East.

My flag is ready to be retired, it is worn and faded, but it will fly until our troops come home with honor and valor.

God bless our United States Armed Forces and our allies in the performance of their mission and bring them back safely to their families.

re: #39 Carol Herman

Do you have any idea how many teenagers die in car accidents? How many deaths there are on our roads?

Seems to me, we could counter the costs of being brave; with the other costs. For instance, driving without your seat belt, on. Or riding a motor cycle without wearing a helmet.

Heck, driving a stick shift car, throwing back a few too many; and, none of your friends can figure out how to drive you home?

Meanwhile, our military trains BETTER than it has ever done, before!

So kids graduating high schools really do have choices: They can join up with Uncle Sam. Or they can waste oodles of money; going into debt, to attend the colleges and universites run by the affirmative action crowd.

Seems to me, some day, ahead, there's gonna be a lot of crying among the college educated. Paying off needless debt. Because they were scared of risks.

Joining the Navy before going to college was the right way for me. Saved some (not enough) money, but the way I was when I was 18, I would have partied my Freshman year away and flunked out of school.

Anyone who thinks they might want to go to college, but aren't sure, or need a break, an enlistment is a good way to gain maturity, see the world, and save some money.

re: #41 song_and_dance_man

re: #36 So?

I thought LGF was all about truth. So what's the problem?

Would you care to clarify your concern?

U.S. military deaths in Iraq at 3,793
We're talking about young men and women cut down in their prime, not soldier bots. Why shouldn't the number of US soldiers killed be made public? I'd go one step further, their pictures should be published to show them some respect for their service.

re: #59 rp1138

re: #49 insanity police

I've been here well over a year. How does that qualify as short?

If you're attacking me because you think I'm a troll or a lefty or a lefty, then I think you misread my post.

If you're attacking me because YOU are a lefty or a troll, then whatever.

I'm offended by what you said. Seemed like a cheap shot at the troops.

Explain yourself and maybe I'll chill out.

re: #65 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

WHAT. YOU. SAID.

re: #28 NJDhockeyfan

re: #27 WayDownSouthInBama

It says a lot about AP when they see the rise of our own soldier's body count as the ONE and ONLY item in the war in Iraq they are eager to print while ignoring the body count of terrorists. Doesn't the body count of the enemy count in a war too? Perhaps AP is ashamed to print the body count of our enemy?

I don't think they know how to count that high.

Heh! I chuckled at that.

Go Devils!

re: #68 insanity police

It was intended as a cheap shot at AP. I would NEVER, EVER take a cheap shot at the troops.

re: #67 So?

Are you dense? The problem is the msm is using the death toll as a means to whip up anti-war sentiment.

re: #67 So?

re: #41 song_and_dance_man

re: #36 So?

I thought LGF was all about truth. So what's the problem?

Would you care to clarify your concern?

U.S. military deaths in Iraq at 3,793
We're talking about young men and women cut down in their prime, not soldier bots. Why shouldn't the number of US soldiers killed be made public? I'd go one step further, their pictures should be published to show them some respect for their service.

Sounds nice in theory, but when the MSM, like News-weak about a year ago did it, it was an attempt to try to appeal to emotion, not reason. It was cynical.

The American people appreciated the sacrifices of a far greater number of serviceman in World War 2, but nobody demanded entire magazines with nothing but photos of the dead GIs.

re: #72 Sharmuta

re: #67 So?

Are you dense? The problem is the msm is using the death toll as a means to whip up anti-war sentiment.

I think So's point is that a number is a number is a number. It's how you view it that matters. There's nothing in the story Charles linked that seems to "whip up anti-war sentiment" to me. It's just facts.

Although if you're willing to quote a section that's out of line, please do, and I'll reconsider. But for now I consider this an accounting of how many brave Americans have sacrificed their lives in Iraq.

re: #56 cbinflux
Great questions!

re: #71 rp1138

re: #68 insanity police

It was intended as a cheap shot at AP. I would NEVER, EVER take a cheap shot at the troops.

Trouble is, you imply that they're murderers. They're over there protecting rights such as free speech.

re: #66 song_and_dance_man

I got it. I warned him on the previous thread. Pass me a Snickers, will ya?

re: #49 insanity police

What is your problem with post #22? The answer is C. Get it?

re: #72 Sharmuta

re: #67 So?

Are you dense? The problem is the msm is using the death toll as a means to whip up anti-war sentiment.

So is it working? I think those opposed made up their minds a long time ago. And no name calling or I'll sic Dinnerjacket on you.

re: #71 rp1138

re: #68 insanity police

It was intended as a cheap shot at AP. I would NEVER, EVER take a cheap shot at the troops.

My apologies then. Your joke went over my head. I'm kind of sensitive about people bashing the troops who protect us.

re: #78 jopa416

re: #49 insanity police

What is your problem with post #22? The answer is C. Get it?

Answer C: They're murderers!

Oh, ha. Now I get it. Because previously I thought it was a moronic joke. Now I see, though, that it's a moronic joke.

re: #48 Cap'n DOC

thanks, i went googling myself and someone else posted a genuine military site.

it occurs to me that America just doesn't have the strength to understand these statistics relative to the purpose and goal of the fight.

the soldiers understand and most of their families do as well.

What a slap in the face to these brave men and women to whine about numbers when each death represents a commitment - to the death - to duty, honor and courage. And to a way of life that affords the right to criticize

and what a cowardly face it presents to the world -

the jihadis must be gleeful over the lefty handwringing and phony concern. The LLLs view the soldiers as duped and tools in the hands of the evil military. their point of view is still and always one of superiority.

/ the soldiers are not the tools

re: #74 Cognito

re: #72 Sharmuta

re: #67 So?

Are you dense? The problem is the msm is using the death toll as a means to whip up anti-war sentiment.

I think So's point is that a number is a number is a number. It's how you view it that matters. There's nothing in the story Charles linked that seems to "whip up anti-war sentiment" to me. It's just facts.

Although if you're willing to quote a section that's out of line, please do, and I'll reconsider. But for now I consider this an accounting of how many brave Americans have sacrificed their lives in Iraq.

Thanks Cognito: I guess you explained it better. Their more than numbers!

There's nothing in the story Charles linked that seems to "whip up anti-war sentiment" to me.

What a completely unsurprising statement.

re: #78 jopa416

re: #49 insanity police

What is your problem with post #22? The answer is C. Get it?

Missed the joke. See my #80.

A couple things - I've never liked the comparisons to traffic deaths, or deaths in Philly, or whatever comparisions.

There's a great deal of difference between dying with valour in the pursuit of a noble goal, and running into a telephone pole. While they are fair stats, they tend to diminish the tremendous contributions of our armed forces.

Two

That was a tad quick to go ad hominem wasn't it Cog? Feeling a bit picked upon or what?

re: #77 Cap'n DOC

re: #66 song_and_dance_man

I got it. I warned him on the previous thread. Pass me a Snickers, will ya?

Warned me of what? You'll go grammarian on me? Go for it. I don't care.

Too many liberal protestant churches seem to be doing brisk business in the useful idiot industry. They get on board with the whole anti-War movement, and they put out signs on their front lawn with the numbers of American troops and Iraqis who have died since Bushitler began the war, the latter being usually between 100,000 and 2,000,000. Where do they get these numbers? I drive by a church like this every day. I have no idea where they get their numbers? Daily Kos? Are the liberal churches like this in your neighborhood?

Ironically, it's the liberal protestant churches that are most associated with old WASP stereotype that seem the worst, the denominations that were once considered the most elitist and associated with the wealthier dominant American "classes." I guess they have succumbed more than others to white liberal guilt and so have to make amends for having been establishment WASP denominations.

Christianity, which should be a bulwark against insanity, has become a tool of useful idiotness, at least the more liberal Christian churches. The conservative Christian denominations, much reviled by liberals, are grounded. You may not agree with all their positions, since some are distinctly anti-intellectual, but I'd put my lot in with them before I'd have faith in the more rootless liberal Christian denominations.

Nothing is perfect. There's irrationality all around, but nothing is worse than self-hating reflexively diversity-oriented irrationality, be it secular or "religious."

What's wrong with defending the Western tradition. It produced science and most of what we think of as great art. It has, in principle, no problem with any race or creed and celebrates individual excellence.

Nowadays, though, we see secular and even Christian liberals despising making any judgements about what is good and what is bad and what is right and what is wrong. Who is going to defend Western values?

re: #80 insanity police

re: #71 rp1138

re: #68 insanity police

It was intended as a cheap shot at AP. I would NEVER, EVER take a cheap shot at the troops.

My apologies then. Your joke went over my head. I'm kind of sensitive about people bashing the troops who protect us.

So am I.
Apology cheerfully accepted.

re: #89 rp1138

All is well in the world.

re: #84 Sharmuta

There's nothing in the story Charles linked that seems to "whip up anti-war sentiment" to me.

What a completely unsurprising statement.

What a completely unsurprising answer. I asked you to simply quote the "whip up" portion. I'll look forward to that.

Sorry...O/T but Huh?

eds Probe Blackwater Weapons Smuggling
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Sep 21, 9:07 PM (ET)

By MATTHEW LEE

(AP) Two U.S. private security contractors investigate the site where a military armored bus was damaged...
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Federal prosecutors are investigating whether employees of the private security firm Blackwater USA illegally smuggled into Iraq weapons that may have been sold on the black market and ended up in the hands of a U.S.-designated terrorist organization, officials said Friday.
[Link: apnews.excite.com...]

MSM always plays the biggest number. They lump the combat deaths together with the accidental deaths, because they all occurred in Iraq.

Truth is, statistically, a certain number of troops would die from accidents anyway, whether they were in Iraq or not. Certainly, the increased numbers of troops and optempo in Iraq leads to increased numbers of accidental "nonhostile" deaths. That is true.

I used to teach this stuff to senior noncommissioned officers. I'm not a ghoul. It was part of my job. Y'all know the actual numbers?

OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM MILITARY DEATHS
March 3, 2003 - September 7, 2007

Hostile: 3058
Nonhostile: 676
Total: 3734

See all the stats...gender, race, age, etc.
[Link: siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil...]

#46 ChenZhen 9/21/07 6:01:25 pm -5

Uh Oh...

A -5 rating for "Uh Oh..?" Chen, you better not get too verbose tonight, angry crowd here.

re: #87 ChenZhen

A tad bit touchy, are we? I know what you meant with your quacking, General. I won't stand for Faux Duckshit.

Like telling a blind man to see.

re: #86 Thanos

Ad hominem? I didn't intend to do that -- which post?

Who is the author of this article? Where is the accountability? Marxist bastards.

re: #94 EC Marm

#46 ChenZhen 9/21/07 6:01:25 pm -5

Uh Oh...

A -5 rating for "Uh Oh..?" Chen, you better not get too verbose tonight, angry crowd here.

I guess that's why I said "uh oh". Lol

re: #67 So?

re: #41 song_and_dance_man

re: #36 So?

I thought LGF was all about truth. So what's the problem?

Would you care to clarify your concern?

U.S. military deaths in Iraq at 3,793
We're talking about young men and women cut down in their prime, not soldier bots. Why shouldn't the number of US soldiers killed be made public? I'd go one step further, their pictures should be published to show them some respect for their service.

That is right, they are real people, I attended a funeral for one of them 2 weeks ago...that is why the left is so disgusting. They voted to send them over there when it looked like they could get over 51% of the vote by supporting the war . They put these solders lives at risk.

Then when it looked like they might get 51% of vote by being against the war they stabbed every soldier...living or dead...in the back. The left changes their mind about a war...A WAR!...based on the latest poll numbers...F"ING SICK ! The MSM is just as guilty.

Stinking bifocals! That should be September 1, 2007 above, not September 7. Sorry.

re: #74 Cognito

I think So's point is that a number is a number is a number. It's how you view it that matters. There's nothing in the story Charles linked that seems to "whip up anti-war sentiment" to me. It's just facts.

Right, it's just facts. Repeated endlessly, and updated frequently, from a wire service with a demonstrable history of doing everything they can to sabotage the Iraq War.

This isn't about hiding the number of deaths, although invariably some LLL accuses us of wishing for that when we complain about the constant ghoulish death counts.

And the death counts most certainly aren't about remembering, respecting, or honoring the dead. They are done to break the morale of the country.

The main message of Tokyo Rose (and I suspect any propagandist) was in three parts: Your government is lying to you. The war is illegal. You can't win. Sound familiar? The weekly death count is part of "You can't win."

All the public hears is death, death, and death and almost never what those deaths were for. Victories aren't reported, advances, deaths of enemies, lost enemy territory, increased infrastructure, new schools, happy children, etc. Nothing but a weekly tote board.

No wonder those that just listen to the MSM have been deceived into thinking we are dying for nothing. The media specifically reports that they are dying, and says nothing of what for.

A half-truth isn't really half true when it leaves the opposite impression from the truth.

It is a whole lie.

re: #97 Cognito

re: #86 Thanos

Ad hominem? I didn't intend to do that -- which post?

#42 :

How brave of you to type that out on your computer.

Did you use two hands or one?

You didn't see any humor at all in it? Not the slightest scintilla? It's just the sort of grim joke that troops in Iraq might tell after a year of seeing their every accomplishment derided and diminished daily in the press for years.

re: #81 Cognito

re: #78 jopa416

re: #49 insanity police

What is your problem with post #22? The answer is C. Get it?

Answer C: They're murderers!

Oh, ha. Now I get it. Because previously I thought it was a moronic joke. Now I see, though, that it's a moronic joke.

Hmmm, I think that I see that you are a moron who can't tell a joke from a serious post. Have a good night leftie.

I predict that you will be gone from here soon. The good guys will win ! It will be a tough loss for you and your ilk.

Cognito, what is the significance of the number? What is the newsworthiness of the article?

re: #102 Charles

re: #74 Cognito

I think So's point is that a number is a number is a number. It's how you view it that matters. There's nothing in the story Charles linked that seems to "whip up anti-war sentiment" to me. It's just facts.

Right, it's just facts. Repeated endlessly, and updated frequently, from a wire service with a demonstrable history of doing everything they can to sabotage the Iraq War.

To amplify what Charles said -- it's a fact that if there are no deaths Monday - Wednesday you will still read about Sunday's deaths on Thursday. I've seen that all too often.

re: #83 So?

So?...do you have rocks in your head?
The death of an American service member, while a sad horrible thing, is not something that should be broadcast on the nightly news.
There is a time and place for everything...now is not the time, the AP is not the place. The serviceman's death should be a private matter for their family.
If the family wants to discuss it it's one thing, but for the AP to put it in the forefront for political purposes is disgusting.

When this war is over...with victory...we will honor each and every one of those brave Americans that our country lost, appropriately and with dignity!

re: #105 jopa416

re: #81 Cognito

re: #78 jopa416

re: #49 insanity policeWhat is your problem with post #22? The answer is C. Get it?

Answer C: They're murderers!Oh, ha. Now I get it. Because previously I thought it was a moronic joke. Now I see, though, that it's a moronic joke.

Hmmm, I think that I see that you are a moron who can't tell a joke from a serious post. Have a good night leftie.

I predict that you will be gone from here soon. The good guys will win ! It will be a tough loss for you and your ilk.

That's so corny I can hardly bring myself to answer it. For starters, I'm not a lefty, I'm conservative. And as for your predictions -- clever! I hear Ms. Cleo is looking for a partner.

re: #36 So?

I thought LGF was all about truth. So what's the problem?

Agreed. Our military KIA and WIA statistics are invaluable data to our future military preparedness. No problem.

/Ghoulish hawking and one sided reporting is another thing.

re: #107 Noam Sayin'

Cognito, what is the significance of the number? What is the newsworthiness of the article?

Noam, what was the final count on the number of dead in the bridge collapse?

re: #102 Charles

I wish Charles was running 4 office.

re: #102 Charles

re: #74 Cognito

I think So's point is that a number is a number is a number. It's how you view it that matters. There's nothing in the story Charles linked that seems to "whip up anti-war sentiment" to me. It's just facts.

Right, it's just facts. Repeated endlessly, and updated frequently, from a wire service with a demonstrable history of doing everything they can to sabotage the Iraq War.

And it remains: The story offers only facts. I choose to view them one way, as I outlined above. Maybe someone else chooses another way.

Regardless, I tend to come down on the side of openness and knowledge.

re: #113 CommonSense

I think he has too much integrity for that. And too much intelligence.

re: #112 ChenZhen

Thirteen, I believe.

re: #114 Cognito

I choose to view them one way

Yeah... We noticed that.

What if the MSM mentioned each soldier who dies as a means to inspire us to fight harder, smarter, and stronger in order to WIN this war as quickly as possible?

Because what the MSM does now is the opposite of that.

Tropical Depression #10 makes landfall East of Pensacola

First tropical cyclone since 2005 not to be named.

Although, aircraft recon found 40 to 45 mph surface winds during the afternoon, so during the post season season review, NHC may upgrade it to a storm. But it'll be Tropical Storm #10, not Jerry, as the next named cyclone will take that name.

The question as to why they harp on the death counts has been asked and answered.

They do NOT do it out of sadness or respect.

American losses make them smile.

Given the slant of most mainstream media stories concerning the war, it's not a stretch to hear a "ghoulish" ominous tone in the constant repetition of the casualties. Usually the number is stated in the context of "a war increasing numbers of Americans disapprove of " etc.

re: #114 Cognito

Regardless, I tend to come down on the side of openness and knowledge.

Should we broadcast troop movements and strategy also?
In the name of "openness and knowledge"?

Are we going to be consistent? Or are there some things that just shouldn't be broadcast?

The AP (and MSM in general), is anxiously awaiting the next "grim milestone" - and even more sadly, in an almost Pavlovian response.

Soon as the next round large number hits (in this case, 4000), they will plaster it all over the front page of every newspaper for as long as possible, and beat it to death on every broadcast medium they can.

# 122 was for #114 Cognito BTW.

I'm going to pipe in here with something original.

I spent my time in the boots. I did it because I felt I had to, not because I was forced into service for my country. I've three names on the Wall. Brothers, and brothers to me they will always be.

I know, personally, two families that have given their sons to this present conflict.

Having experienced war in a very real sense I can attest to what it is like to hear some of this shit that passes for news while you are knee deep in shit. It doesn't sit well. It is a morale breaker. Those of us who had to put up with letters from home talking about war protesters were not welcome mail, believe you me. I often felt, and it was a shared sentiment, that we were abandoned and scorned by our entire country.

It won't happen. Now. Not on my watch.

re: #110 Cognito

re: #105 jopa416

re: #81 Cognito

re: #78 jopa416

re: #49 insanity policeWhat is your problem with post #22? The answer is C. Get it?

Answer C: They're murderers!Oh, ha. Now I get it. Because previously I thought it was a moronic joke. Now I see, though, that it's a moronic joke.

Hmmm, I think that I see that you are a moron who can't tell a joke from a serious post. Have a good night leftie.
I predict that you will be gone from here soon. The good guys will win ! It will be a tough loss for you and your ilk.

That's so corny I can hardly bring myself to answer it. For starters, I'm not a lefty, I'm conservative. And as for your predictions -- clever! I hear Ms. Cleo is looking for a partner.

So if it's all about reporting the facts why aren't we seeing numbers of AQ captured or killed per day? Numbers of deaths of muslims killed by AQ by day? Numbers of weapons caches captured per day? Numbers of schools opened per month? Numbers of goods sold in the marketplace? Why do I have to read VOA, milnet, and foreign papers to get those numbers?

No balance is there?

re: #116 Noam Sayin'

re: #112 ChenZhen

Thirteen, I believe.

So what's the significance of that number?

I think it's safe to assume that you know the facts because it was "repeated endlessly, and updated frequently", so were they being ghoulish? Were they rooting for more? Or were they simply keeping a concerned viewership appraised on the facts?

OT:

Just watching Hannity and Colmes, and Colmes is totally capable of independent thought.

Democratic congress at 11% approval.

Ap = MSM equals Big Media (BM), as in:
BM leaving a stain on the fabric of free society.

re: #117 song_and_dance_man

LOL!

re: #64 The Albatross

I hung a brand new flag at our home when our boys and gals, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters went in to Afganistan and swore I wouldn't take it down until every last one of them is out of the Middle East.

My flag is ready to be retired, it is worn and faded, but it will fly until our troops come home with honor and valor.

God bless our United States Armed Forces and our allies in the performance of their mission and bring them back safely to their families.

Buy a new flag.

Send your tattered flag to me.

My Boy Scout Troop will retire it with honor at the City Hall steps on Flag Day next June.

Its going to be a very rough experience for the 'body counters' if our enemy lands a big punch. And the enemy counts civilians...

re: #67 So?

re: #41 song_and_dance_man

re: #36 So?

I thought LGF was all about truth. So what's the problem?

Would you care to clarify your concern?

U.S. military deaths in Iraq at 3,793
We're talking about young men and women cut down in their prime, not soldier bots. Why shouldn't the number of US soldiers killed be made public? I'd go one step further, their pictures should be published to show them some respect for their service.

Partial telling of truth and facts, or putting them in a misleading context is a propaganda tool. It is possible to make nothing but true statements, but leave the listener hearing a lie.

*itler helped the German people escape the stifling restrictions of the Treaty of Versailles. *itler rebuilt the German navy and under his leadership the Luftwaffe, the German airforce, put into production many aircraft that were both unique and unmatched. *itler sought to be a unifying force in Europe and ultimately, the World.

wereas

*itler's parents were first cousins and he was a tyrannical little corporal maniac.

Now that the war is won, no more bombs to report, Iraqi civilian deaths down, etc., this is the last straw for the MSM to hang on too.

The silence of the MSM is deafening. Any reports of improvement, they know could hurt Dems chances in 2008.

re: #123 DesertSage

re: #114 Cognito

Regardless, I tend to come down on the side of openness and knowledge.

Should we broadcast troop movements and strategy also?
In the name of "openness and knowledge"?

Are we going to be consistent? Or are there some things that just shouldn't be broadcast?

Let's not get carried away now!

re: #129 CommonSense

OOPS.
OT:

Just watching Hannity and Colmes, and Colmes is totally uncapable of independent thought.

Democratic congress at 11% approval.

re: #118 Sharmuta

re: #114 Cognito

I choose to view them one way

Yeah... We noticed that.

Well. I said, "I consider this an accounting of how many brave Americans have sacrificed their lives in Iraq."

Are you disagreeing?

re: #123 DesertSage

re: #114 Cognito

Regardless, I tend to come down on the side of openness and knowledge.

Should we broadcast troop movements and strategy also?
In the name of "openness and knowledge"?

Are we going to be consistent? Or are there some things that just shouldn't be broadcast?

What? Wha -- forget it. This isn't even worth the trouble.

Later.

re: #128 ChenZhen

Let me know how frequently you hear that number in January.

Nice, fucking non sequitur.

I wonder if the MSM will ever run a count for the following:

- Number of Israelis killed by Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Aqsa Martyrs,
- Number of American killed by the Palestinian terrorists,
- Number of total Americans killed and wounded by Al Qaeda,
- Number of people tortured, maimed, killed, etc. by Saddam and his ilk,
- Number of Arab-Israelis living peacefully in Israel,
- Number of countries and total citizens given freedom by the Americans since the founding of this country.

Cognito, what is the newsworthiness of the article - today?

re: #127 Thanos

re: #110 Cognito

re: #105 jopa416

re: #81 Cognito

re: #78 jopa416

re: #49 insanity policeWhat is your problem with post #22? The answer is C. Get it?

Answer C: They're murderers!Oh, ha. Now I get it. Because previously I thought it was a moronic joke. Now I see, though, that it's a moronic joke.

Hmmm, I think that I see that you are a moron who can't tell a joke from a serious post. Have a good night leftie.
I predict that you will be gone from here soon. The good guys will win ! It will be a tough loss for you and your ilk.

That's so corny I can hardly bring myself to answer it. For starters, I'm not a lefty, I'm conservative. And as for your predictions -- clever! I hear Ms. Cleo is looking for a partner.

So if it's all about reporting the facts why aren't we seeing numbers of AQ captured or killed per day? Numbers of deaths of muslims killed by AQ by day? Numbers of weapons caches captured per day? Numbers of schools opened per month? Numbers of goods sold in the marketplace? Why do I have to read VOA, milnet, and foreign papers to get those numbers?

No balance is there?

Game.
Set.
Match.

re: #32 StarsandStripesForever

OT/
Outrageous Pix: Nation-wide Campaign for Veiling of Sculptures and Statues in Germany -(Islam Watch via TheReligionOfPeace.com)

we knew this was coming. at some point all the beautiful paintings and sculpture in museums will be retired from the public eye and then disappear altogether because it offends these fucki9ng 7th century animals who of course are the best judge of art and beauty and all things that lift the human spirit.
spit.

re: #120 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Let's name it Nagin.

re: #138 Cognito

re: #118 Sharmuta

re: #114 Cognito

I choose to view them one way

Yeah... We noticed that.

Well. I said, "I consider this an accounting of how many brave Americans have sacrificed their lives in Iraq."

Are you disagreeing?

You're rephrasing the question, bad on you!
Sharmuta isn't saying that we shouldn't account for the many brave Americans have sacrificed their lives in Iraq. What we're saying is that we question the timing and the motivation.

Surely you understand that?

re: #127 Thanos

re: #110 Cognito

re: #105 jopa416

re: #81 Cognito

re: #78 jopa416

re: #49 insanity policeWhat is your problem with post #22? The answer is C. Get it?

Answer C: They're murderers!Oh, ha. Now I get it. Because previously I thought it was a moronic joke. Now I see, though, that it's a moronic joke.

Hmmm, I think that I see that you are a moron who can't tell a joke from a serious post. Have a good night leftie.
I predict that you will be gone from here soon. The good guys will win ! It will be a tough loss for you and your ilk.

That's so corny I can hardly bring myself to answer it. For starters, I'm not a lefty, I'm conservative. And as for your predictions -- clever! I hear Ms. Cleo is looking for a partner.

So if it's all about reporting the facts why aren't we seeing numbers of AQ captured or killed per day? Numbers of deaths of muslims killed by AQ by day? Numbers of weapons caches captured per day? Numbers of schools opened per month? Numbers of goods sold in the marketplace? Why do I have to read VOA, milnet, and foreign papers to get those numbers?

No balance is there?

Those are all critical numbers too, Thanos. And feel free to criticize the media if you don't hear them as often as you'd like. But an AP brief about the number killed isn't the counterbalance to that.

The lack of good reporting in other aspects, I mean to say, doesn't mean we should not hear this particular report. We should hear it all.

Cogger left it seems, I was hoping to have a good discussion ...

re: #148 Cognito
Ahh There you are.

Those are all critical numbers too, Thanos. And feel free to criticize the media if you don't hear them as often as you'd like. But an AP brief about the number killed isn't the counterbalance to that.

The lack of good reporting in other aspects, I mean to say, doesn't mean we should not hear this particular report. We should hear it all.

Why is just one class of death important to report?

re: #147 DesertSage

What we're saying is that we question the timing and the motivation.

This is a brief, which updates the number. It's not a blow-out report, timed to coincide with some important election, etc etc etc.

Personally I don't mind a brief like that. I think each of the lives lost in Iraq is an important sacrifice, and I don't want to turn my eyes away from that. Too many people continue their lives in America, today, with little clue what's really happening around the world.

This isn't about reporting the facts. This is about reporting half the facts.

They report again and again and again (every Thursday I believe) that people are dying. The report almost nothing on successes. Voila, people think troops are dying for nothing.

Think it doesn't affect people?

re: #79 So?

I think those opposed made up their minds a long time ago. .

Then support for the war in polls would be stable. Yet New polls show plummeting public support for the war in Iraq.
from last December.

If people are changing their stance, they are changing for a reason. Maybe it's what they are reading in the paper (and not reading).

re: #146 cbinflux

re: #120 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Let's name it Nagin.

I'll second that.,

re: #151 Thanos

re: #148 Cognito
Ahh There you are.

Those are all critical numbers too, Thanos. And feel free to criticize the media if you don't hear them as often as you'd like. But an AP brief about the number killed isn't the counterbalance to that.

The lack of good reporting in other aspects, I mean to say, doesn't mean we should not hear this particular report. We should hear it all.

Why is just one class of death important to report?

Where did I say that? I actually said the opposite: Criticize the media all day for not offering the facts and statistics you want to hear. But the solution is not to ignore other facts.

Great seeing all those dead tangos today!

re: #138 Cognito

Way to misdirect! My statement was nothing more than a "we've noticed you're blind to msm bias".

re: #156 Cognito

re: #151 Thanos

re: #148 Cognito
Ahh There you are.

Those are all critical numbers too, Thanos. And feel free to criticize the media if you don't hear them as often as you'd like. But an AP brief about the number killed isn't the counterbalance to that.
The lack of good reporting in other aspects, I mean to say, doesn't mean we should not hear this particular report. We should hear it all.

Why is just one class of death important to report?

Where did I say that? I actually said the opposite: Criticize the media all day for not offering the facts and statistics you want to hear. But the solution is not to ignore other facts.

I am not the one ignoring things as you well know. If the stats are important to report, why not all? And... why do we see the same deaths carried three days if there aren't new deaths or casualties to report?

Some background music while you reply

re: #158 Sharmuta

re: #138 Cognito

Way to misdirect! My statement was nothing more than a "we've noticed you're blind to msm bias".

Right. I guess I just misread your post.

Because I referenced the number of soldiers who have sacrificed their lives, and you took a swipe at that, then I asked you for a very specific quote.

I'll repeat: We got down to a bedrock of fact, in our little back-and-forth.

But I guess -- oops! -- I misunderstood you.

re: #128 ChenZhen

Nice Bait and Switch there, General. Not very original though.

BTW - Do you Drive a lemon? Or do you sell them?

re: #148 Cognito

Yes, yes...now you are the voice of reason...Spare ME!

In post 81 you replied to a post that was clearly a JOKE and turned it into calling our troops murderers. That is, and has been, the issue here. Please spare me the "oh we just need to hear all of the numbers" bit when CLEARLY we only hear the parts that the MSM (including the target of the joke AP) wants us to hear.

re: #159 Thanos

I am not the one ignoring things as you well know. If the stats are important to report, why not all?

Where did I say otherwise? Like I said, I come down on the side of openness and knowledge -- and when we don't hear all the facts, that's bad. So we're in agreement there.

And... why do we see the same deaths carried three days if there aren't new deaths or casualties to report?

Redundency on the news wire has to do with subscriber services.

Where, if you don't mind, are you seeing these reports, repeated again and again? Because I see them here, on Little Green Footballs.

re: #152 Cognito

Maybe if the media didn't continually slant stories against the war , we wouldn't be so suspicious of their motives. Are we not supposed to factor in the obvious bias we see in so many other stories just because there is no overt mention of it in this particular one? Are we supposed to ignore the obvious pattern we see every day and not apply our experience to the reading of this story?

re: #162 jopa416

re: #148 Cognito

Yes, yes...now you are the voice of reason...Spare ME!

In post 81 you replied to a post that was clearly a JOKE and turned it into calling our troops murderers. That is, and has been, the issue here. Please spare me the "oh we just need to hear all of the numbers" bit when CLEARLY we only hear the parts that the MSM (including the target of the joke AP) wants us to hear.

Spare you, indeed. That "joke" was disgusting, in a couple of ways.

But then, that's my opinion. Feel free to laugh your head off.

re: #164 eastvillageinfidel

re: #152 Cognito

Maybe if the media didn't continually slant stories against the war , we wouldn't be so suspicious of their motives. Are we not supposed to factor in the obvious bias we see in so many other stories just because there is no overt mention of it in this particular one? Are we supposed to ignore the obvious pattern we see every day and not apply our experience to the reading of this story?

Nope. I agree that there's a general leftist slant to "the media" at large. But let's stick with tangibles, for the moment: There's no such thing in the story Charles linked.

re: #163 Cognito

re: #159 Thanos

I am not the one ignoring things as you well know. If the stats are important to report, why not all?

Where did I say otherwise? Like I said, I come down on the side of openness and knowledge -- and when we don't hear all the facts, that's bad. So we're in agreement there.

And... why do we see the same deaths carried three days if there aren't new deaths or casualties to report?

Redundency on the news wire has to do with subscriber services.

Where, if you don't mind, are you seeing these reports, repeated again and again? Because I see them here, on Little Green Footballs.

Most news services as you well know.

The other version of Lady Starlight, Andy Scott's was better.

re: #167 Thanos

Most news services

Let's be specific, please. Where do you -- you -- read reports of casualties, day after day?

re: #102 Charles

re: #74 Cognito

I think So's point is that a number is a number is a number. It's how you view it that matters. There's nothing in the story Charles linked that seems to "whip up anti-war sentiment" to me. It's just facts.

Right, it's just facts. Repeated endlessly, and updated frequently, from a wire service with a demonstrable history of doing everything they can to sabotage the Iraq War.

this is what cognito does

Cognito says:

The story offers only facts. I choose to view them one way

That is the crux of your problem Cog. You see this one way, and that way is the way of non-critical thinking of your peers. You are blind to your blindness or you're trolling playing devil's advocate again.

Continue on with your circular logic- you're back on GAZE mode. I've played your "logic" game before, and I have better things to do with my evening then engage in this once again.

re: #166 Cognito

re: #164 eastvillageinfidel

re: #152 Cognito

Maybe if the media didn't continually slant stories against the war , we wouldn't be so suspicious of their motives. Are we not supposed to factor in the obvious bias we see in so many other stories just because there is no overt mention of it in this particular one? Are we supposed to ignore the obvious pattern we see every day and not apply our experience to the reading of this story?

Nope. I agree that there's a general leftist slant to "the media" at large. But let's stick with tangibles, for the moment: There's no such thing in the story Charles linked.

If there's no slant, why don't we ever see the lead "Another Grim Al Qaeda Milestone?" "Another Grim Taliban Milestone?" Do a search for people killed by Al Qaeda. Nobody's running that.

re: #169 swamprat

Um, yeah.

Nice of you to follow so closely.

As regards the joke, I'm not certain why it's getting such a bad reaction from some. As a brit, maybe I'm more used to derisive humour or not in possession of cultural influences that would make me react the same way, but the actual wording didn't preclude a realistic answer for such a hypothetical situation. In fact, you had a rightist, and realistic, answer, A, the moonbat option B and the unrealistic option that no-one would ever seriously say, thus providing the grim humour so often gained from things that aren't really 'funny' almost from their sheer taboo nature. We wouldn't say it, we shouldn't say it, but some small part of us wants to. We should just never let that part win...

As for the death figure, the Religion of Peace has a running count of terrorist attacks, casualties and deaths.

People today really have no idea of what a 'real' war would be like. Leaving aside the technicality that we are no longer actual waging the "Iraq War" as we are not engaged in conflict politically or militarily with the country itself, 3000 odd fatalities over.. how long have we been there now? Those are astonishingly low numbers. In contrast, the allied invasion of the Normandy Beaches took around 10,000 lives, and over 125,000 american soldiers alone were killed through the entire Battle of Normandy. Hours, days and months, compared to years, and casualty figures far greater...

re: #165 Cognito

re: #162 jopa416

re: #148 Cognito

Yes, yes...now you are the voice of reason...Spare ME!

In post 81 you replied to a post that was clearly a JOKE and turned it into calling our troops murderers. That is, and has been, the issue here. Please spare me the "oh we just need to hear all of the numbers" bit when CLEARLY we only hear the parts that the MSM (including the target of the joke AP) wants us to hear.

Spare you, indeed. That "joke" was disgusting, in a couple of ways.

But then, that's my opinion. Feel free to laugh your head off.

I sure didn't find it half as disgusting as when you labeled our troops murderers in post #81...your indignance is very thin, very veiled, very unauthentic.

ANSWER THE QUESTION!

I'm moving upthread, because I go where the in Crowd Goes.

re: #88 WimbledonWomble

When you see those liberal Christian churches with anti-war messages on their signs, why not write down the addresses, and start visiting those churches on Sundays and maybe pass out some literature, or share some thoughts (briefly and politely) during the fellowship period?

re: #170 Sharmuta

Cognito says:

The story offers only facts. I choose to view them one way

That is the crux of your problem Cog. You see this one way, and that way is the way of non-critical thinking of your peers. You are blind to your blindness or you're trolling playing devil's advocate again.

Continue on with your circular logic- you're back on GAZE mode. I've played your "logic" game before, and I have better things to do with my evening then engage in this once again.

Sharmuta, come on. Be honest, at the very least. You shaved that quote of mine, didn't you?

Care to find the whole thing? Here, I'll do it for you:

The story offers only facts. I choose to view them one way, as I outlined above.

Well, what do you know! There's a whole other half of that sentence, there. What was I referencing? Don't get up -- I'll find it for you:

I consider this an accounting of how many brave Americans have sacrificed their lives in Iraq.

And you, apparently, see things differently.

Come at me all day, Sharmuta. But come correct.

re: #174 jopa416

I sure didn't find it half as disgusting as when you labeled our troops murderers in post #81..

Pardon? Did you read the post in question?

re: #166 Cognito

What you're asking is for us to read this without any pre-conceptions whatsoever and that is not only impossible, it's not a smart approach. Do we forget everything we know before reading each article.

re: #175 Noam Sayin'

ANSWER THE QUESTION!

I did. Post 152.

re: #179 song_and_dance_man

To tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Exactly.

re: #181 eastvillageinfidel

PIMF ?

re: #181 eastvillageinfidel

re: #166 Cognito

What you're asking is for us to read this without any pre-conceptions whatsoever and that is not only impossible, it's not a smart approach. Do we forget everything we know before reading each article.

Of course not. But you can't put something on an article -- and "article" is a stretch, in this case -- that's simply not there.

re: #180 Cognito

re: #174 jopa416

I sure didn't find it half as disgusting as when you labeled our troops murderers in post #81..

Pardon? Did you read the post in question?

Yes, several times, and I have read your posts following it. You took a clear joke and turned it into a statement of calling our troops murderers. Here it is if you want to see it so badly
===
re: #78 jopa416

re: #49 insanity police

(Jopa wrote)-- What is your problem with post #22? The answer is C. Get it?

(Cognito Wrote)-- Answer C: They're murderers!

(Cognito Continues)-- Oh, ha. Now I get it. Because previously I thought it was a moronic joke. Now I see, though, that it's a moronic joke.

===

re: #168 Cognito

re: #167 Thanos

Most news services

Let's be specific, please. Where do you -- you -- read reports of casualties, day after day?

Here

I'll only copy the last six days

Sept. 21, 2007.
U.S. military deaths in Iraq at 3,793

U.S. military deaths in Iraq at 3,791
AP via Yahoo! News - Sep 20 5:05 PM

U.S. military deaths in Iraq at 3,790
AP via Yahoo! News - Sep 19 5:18 PM

U.S. military deaths in Iraq at 3,787
AP via Yahoo! News - Sep 18 5:50 PM

U.S. Military Deaths in Iraq at 3,782
AP via Yahoo! Asia News - Sep 17 4:40 PM

U.S. Military Deaths In Iraq At 3,780
CBS News - Sep 16 4:19 PM

re: #172 Cognito

re: #169 swamprat

Um, yeah.

Nice of you to follow so closely.

Well, what about this?

re: #178 Cognito

GAZE

re: #187 Silhouette

No; I didn't ask where you could find the numbers each day. I'm asking what publication -- that you read daily -- runs the numbers repeatedly?

re: #189 Sharmuta

re: #178 Cognito

GAZE

ok

re: #182 Cognito

re: #175 Noam Sayin'

ANSWER THE QUESTION!

I did. Post 152.

No. You didn't - unless you think there's something SIGNIFICANT about a brief.

I'm getting tired of your insincere crap.

re: #188 swamprat

What about it?

re: #193 Noam Sayin'

re: #182 Cognito

re: #175 Noam Sayin'

ANSWER THE QUESTION!

I did. Post 152.

No. You didn't - unless you think there's something SIGNIFICANT about a brief.

I'm getting tired of your insincere crap.

I'm not being insincere in the least. You asked what's the significance of it -- the newsworthiness -- and I said

This is a brief, which updates the number. It's not a blow-out report, timed to coincide with some important election, etc etc etc.

Personally I don't mind a brief like that. I think each of the lives lost in Iraq is an important sacrifice, and I don't want to turn my eyes away from that...

That's a sincere answer. Or have I misunderstood the question?

re: #179 song_and_dance_man

Cognito,

Have you noticed the trend of the old stream media; how they build their case for a slanted conclusion?

Yes, I've noticed bias in the media. As I've noted, time and time again.

re: #185 Cognito

re: #181 eastvillageinfidel

re: #166 Cognito

What you're asking is for us to read this without any pre-conceptions whatsoever and that is not only impossible, it's not a smart approach. Do we forget everything we know before reading each article.

Of course not. But you can't put something on an article -- and "article" is a stretch, in this case -- that's simply not there.

from your #74
"But for now I consider this an accounting of how many brave Americans have sacrificed their lives in Iraq."

It seems like you did.

re: #195 Cognito

What is SIGNIFICANT about a brief? Your answer is total bullshit and you know it. The reason for this is because you're having a very difficult time accepting the fact that this 'brief' is little more than yet another attempt to sabotage the war; a Gramscian measure, if you will, to deconstruct the power structure of the dominate - in this case, the US Military.

/yeah, been gettin' into Babba's links again.

This one is to Capt Doc
i think you know who Chuck Yeager is, he had the best take on country
and honor i have seen in some time.

re: #198 Noam Sayin'

What is SIGNIFICANT about a brief?

Last time, man: It's significant because it updates the number of casualties. Is it massively significant? Of course not. That's why it's a brief. Literally a couple of sentences.

re: #196 Cognito

re: #179 song_and_dance_man

Cognito,

Have you noticed the trend of the old stream media; how they build their case for a slanted conclusion?

Yes, I've noticed bias in the media. As I've noted, time and time again.

Could we get a link to that?

Cognito is never going to admit to anything other than the press being disinterested third parties carefully reporting nothing but facts.

But his verbal contortions to blind himself to their bias is kind of fun to watch.

Here is the news story I would like to see.

"War would have been over & won if democrats had not changed their position 180 degrees on the war in act of political expedience."

WASH, DC 9/21/2007 - It was revealed today that the Iraq war would have ended 15 months ago, with an Iraqi democracy victory, if only United States Democrats had not stabbed the military in the back by turning against the war after sending the brave military into Iraq just months earlier. Top Al Queda officials have been quoted as saying "Yes, we were on the ropes last year, but once we realized that democrats could be swayed to oppose the war & whip public opinion against the US military we redoubled our effort and dug in hard".

Un-Named democrat officials agreed saying "Heck, we thought that we could get 51% of the vote by stabbing the military, and the Iraqi people, in the back". The un-named democrat continued "What do we care, we are dirty hippie 1960's liberals who WANT to see the US demolished and turned into a socialist state...as long as we are the leaders."

It is estimated that thousands of soldiers have lost their lives due to the political 180's of democrats in the US.
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Now there is some truth.

I'll add my two cents here, though a bit late in the game. I think I understand the sentiment being expressed by Cognito and others that listing the number of troop deaths is a type of honor to them, showing how many have given their lives to try to make the world a better place. But my main issue with that coming from the leftist media is that they're not doing it simply to report facts. They're doing it with an agenda, and I think our soldiers deserve better than that. Better than just being a number that rabid lefties get to spout in telling us how horrible the war is. As others have said, if it were balanced by numbers deaths on the other side being reported, goals achieved, et cetera it would just be a fact. As it is, it's propaganda.

I've been in the service, and once these grunts join there is nothing they control. Not where they serve, Korea, Germany, Iraq, etc. not even what they eat. Nothing do they control, but they stand up and serve with honor. It breaks my heart when they are injured or killed and by God it better be for something worthy of them. Do we spend their lives because we are politically correct and fight house to house, when a bomb would do. Do we make rules of engagement that sacrifice our young men to save a civilian? Is Islam ready to live with the modern world? I see this war with some very deep value questions. It isn't just the number of American soldiers killed, the number of brain injured and maimed exceed that total by orders of magnitude. One solution was used in Churchill's book "The River". Osama is like a bad penny with another name each generation, just keeps showing up.

noncognito?

re: #172 Cognito You do nothing but defend the media.

re: #201 Sharmuta

re: #196 Cognito

re: #179 song_and_dance_man

Cognito,

Have you noticed the trend of the old stream media; how they build their case for a slanted conclusion?

Yes, I've noticed bias in the media. As I've noted, time and time again.

Could we get a link to that?

No, Sharmuta. I'm not going to run around finding answers for you, when you're unwilling to answer my very simple one.

Just pay attention. I've noted media bias a couple of times on this thread alone.

Numbers of deaths, even. PIMF

re: #202 Geepers

Cognito is never going to admit to anything other than the press being disinterested third parties carefully reporting nothing but facts.

But his verbal contortions to blind himself to their bias is kind of fun to watch.

Except that, you know. I consistently say the media is riddled with bias.

I'm this ll close to giving Cognito special recognition on my blog. This is an impressive performance.

put up or shut congito

re: #199 Bob the Scot

Do you have a link or a source. I'd truly be interested, sir.

re: #212 Bob the Scot

put up or shut congito

Put up what, exactly? Did I miss a question of yours?

re: #211 ChenZhen

What's that sound?

re: #208 Cognito

Disingenuous to the core.

/GAZE node back on

re: #216 Sharmuta

re: #208 Cognito

Disingenuous to the core.

/GAZE node back on

Um, ok. Again.

re: #211 ChenZhen

MOF, why don't you just jump right in, or does it require that he tag you first?

his biography, ill have to dig it out. But ill have it tomorrow!
autobiography

Cognito (#210),

Except that, you know. I consistently say the media is riddled with bias.

And I consistently say that I'm and Olympian god.

re: #210 Cognito

So it's not a stretch to assume that the figures are meant to be an indictment of an "illegal" war and not meant to be "an accounting of how many brave Americans have sacrificed their lives in Iraq"? What exactly are you saying?

re: #219 Bob the Scot

Thank you. I'd appreciate it.

re: #220 Geepers

Cognito (#210),

Except that, you know. I consistently say the media is riddled with bias.

And I consistently say that I'm and Olympian god.

Righto.

Totally relevant.

re # 216
Congito

What's that smell?

re: #221 eastvillageinfidel

re: #210 Cognito

So it's not a stretch to assume that the figures are meant to be an indictment of an "illegal" war and not meant to be "an accounting of how many brave Americans have sacrificed their lives in Iraq"? What exactly are you saying?

I'm saying you're slathering on an awful lot, there. It's a simple brief, that notes the new number of casualties.

Let's stick with that. I say that painful number is worth knowing. What do you say?

re: #224 song_and_dance_man

Ssshhh. I'm fishing...

welcome Doc
i look for it tonite

re: #190 Cognito

No, you asked Thanos where he/she read it.

I provided AP stories, run daily. You tell me how many newspapers use AP. Most? All? Some will print that particular story once a week, some more, some less.

But clearly I've established that every day, AP runs the same story with the same headline, changing the total, to really bolster the repetition.

I read my news from the web, as does about 25% of America. I see that story once a week, which is what I've been saying in my posts. I don't see it every day. Every week.

Yahoo news has the death toll as their top story right now for Middle East news, as they do at least one day every week, usually Thursday or Friday. I also see it on yahoo headlines in the sidebar when I am online here every week, as do millions who visit websites that run the "headlines" feature.

re: #227 Cognito

Checkmate!

Shamuta has you nailed Cognito give up. lol

re: #230 Silhouette

re: #190 Cognito

No, you asked Thanos where he/she read it.

I provided AP stories, run daily. You tell me how many newspapers use AP. Most? All? Some will print that particular story once a week, some more, some less.

But clearly I've established that every day, AP runs the same story with the same headline, changing the total, to really bolster the repetition.

I read my news from the web, as does about 25% of America. I see that story once a week, which is what I've been saying in my posts. I don't see it every day. Every week.

Yahoo news has the death toll as their top story right now for Middle East news, as they do at least one day every week, usually Thursday or Friday. I also see it on yahoo headlines in the sidebar when I am online here every week, as do millions who visit websites that run the "headlines" feature.

No... the point is that news services -- not publications, but news services -- provide redundant or slightly updated information all the time, because they don't know when their clients might use it.

And for what it's worth, I think each soldier who sacrifices his life in Iraq is worth a notice. But that's just me apparently.

re: #232 Bob the Scot

Shamuta has you nailed Cognito give up. lol

ok

Cognito (#210),

You're cute when you pretend to be dumb.

re: #232 Bob the Scot

Not to horn in here, but I thought I nailed him pretty good too. I'm going to go "slather" upstairs now.

I feel like a Lizard now. Cognito Talked to me!

Damn it, General. Hook up, will ya? Stop swillin' around on the bottom stirrin' up the mud. Either that, or elect Cognito President for Life on your blog and leave it at that.

I'm sorta interested in just how deep I'm gonna bury my bare hook in your morally equivalent lip. I'm only usin' 2 pound test. Shouldn't be too difficult to cut and run.

East [[[]]]!

East you did good on that comment. I missed it in my hurry to respond. sorry my friend

Did i kill the thread?

re: #200 Cognito

re: #198 Noam Sayin'

What is SIGNIFICANT about a brief?

Last time, man: It's significant because it updates the number of casualties. Is it massively significant? Of course not. That's why it's a brief. Literally a couple of sentences.

That answer completely fucking sucks and you damned well know it. If the number is press-worthy at all it's worth also noting the context in which those deaths occurred. The American Military walked through the world's 4th largest army in a matter of days - not years.

They fought not only the remnant insurgency but a terrorist orginization operating on an occluded front [a nod to Ed Mahmood] and savaging the citizenry while the Western media infers that the terrorism is largely the cause of the war in the first place. Maybe they didn't paint the picture, but they sure as hell set up the easel, stretched the canvas and supplied the brushes and oils.

Has any comparison ever been drawn to any other military conflict in the way of casualty comparisons? NO! Were you aware that the Allied forces lost 1,500 men just preparing for the invasion of Normandy? Did you know that over 6,600 soldiers were lost in that invasion?

Do you think some context might be important?

re: #241 Bob the Scot

Not sure.

It appears that the General will remain In Cognito...

Context? Why?

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re: #240 Bob the Scot

I was just teasin' sweetie!

Gosh, that's about the same as the number of Americans who have died in bicycle accidents since the start of the Iraq war. I had to go look it up though, since AP doesn't publish a running total of figures like that.

re: #242 Noam Sayin'

re: #200 Cognito

re: #198 Noam Sayin'

What is SIGNIFICANT about a brief?

Last time, man: It's significant because it updates the number of casualties. Is it massively significant? Of course not. That's why it's a brief. Literally a couple of sentences.

That answer completely fucking sucks and you damned well know it. If the number is press-worthy at all it's worth also noting the context in which those deaths occurred. The American Military walked through the world's 4th largest army in a matter of days - not years.

They fought not only the remnant insurgency but a terrorist orginization operating on an occluded front [a nod to Ed Mahmood] and savaging the citizenry while the Western media infers that the terrorism is largely the cause of the war in the first place. Maybe they didn't paint the picture, but they sure as hell set up the easel, stretched the canvas and supplied the brushes and oils.

Has any comparison ever been drawn to any other military conflict in the way of casualty comparisons? NO! Were you aware that the Allied forces lost 1,500 men just preparing for the invasion of Normandy? Did you know that over 6,600 soldiers were lost in that invasion?

Do you think some context might be important?

Yes, of course context is important. It's critical. But two things:

1) This isn't the end-all story of the war. It's an update to an on-going situation. An update that I happen to think is important -- too many people walk around blissfully untouched by the war. I think each of those guys is important.

2) Realizing that every casualty update can't be an epic story reaching back to the Second World War -- and yes, I do know about the casualties then, as did readers of news briefs at the time -- we face a choice: To know the number, or not. I say we should know.

Every negative fact is empathized. Every positive fact is DE-empathized

re: #246 song_and_dance_man

I agree. And I won't add any buts.

I too, suffered through the pains of rebellion and became an old man in short order. It wrenched at my gut that some could be so blind as to accept a go along to get along attitude - that every breath you take is free and easy because someone else is doing the heavy lifting for you.

Not that I minded, but it hurt me immensely to think that my 'real world' didn't stand behind me and my brothers. All we had was each other, and we felt rejected.

What's in a number? What's in a name? Rock hard memories when they're near and dear and close to home.

Calling our soldiers murderers, or even implying that is beyond the pale.

I won't and can't tolerate moral equivalence. That isn't who I am. I don't think it's who you are, either. I lurked for a long time here. I think I know what you're about. And you're right. I won't apologize for my words, however.

If the AP ever printed the number of terrorists killed I'd be happy.

re: #251 Cap'n DOC

re: #246 song_and_dance_man

I agree. And I won't add any buts.

I too, suffered through the pains of rebellion and became an old man in short order. It wrenched at my gut that some could be so blind as to accept a go along to get along attitude - that every breath you take is free and easy because someone else is doing the heavy lifting for you.

Not that I minded, but it hurt me immensely to think that my 'real world' didn't stand behind me and my brothers. All we had was each other, and we felt rejected.

What's in a number? What's in a name? Rock hard memories when they're near and dear and close to home.

Calling our soldiers murderers, or even implying that is beyond the pale.

I won't and can't tolerate moral equivalence. That isn't who I am. I don't think it's who you are, either. I lurked for a long time here. I think I know what you're about. And you're right. I won't apologize for my words, however.

Just to be redundantly clear: I didn't call soldiers murderers. I objected to that characterization by another commenter.

re: #252 Geepers

DITTO. There's no market in that, however.

re: #254 Cap'n DOC

But now inflated civilian casualties of 900 a day is highly marketable

re: #252 Geepers

If the AP ever printed the number of terrorists killed I'd be happy.

We face a choice: To know the number, or not. They say we should not know.

/paraphrase

re: #253 Cognito

I understand what you did. I have no problem with you on the characterization.

I have a very large problem with your opinion on publishing numbers, however.

Just like tuning out the ads on TV (which I do not watch, BTW), or muting the sound when the ads come on, those numbers become meaningless.

Just as the General brought up the bridge collapse and wanted to know the number of people who lost their lives - a freakin' meaningless number - unless you happened to be related to anyone, or knew anyone involved. Tragedies occur every day somewhere on this planet.

They ain't numbers. Our casualties, be they maimed or are killed in action or otherwise, had (and have) brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, husbands, wives - and children.

Because we hold life dearly and our enemies hold life with disdain, they revel in our lack of resolve. Quibbling over whether or not statistics should be published dilutes the issue itself - and the issue ain't in the damnedable numbers.

re: #257 Cap'n DOC

I have a very large problem with your opinion on publishing numbers, however.

So you feel we shouldn't know the number. That's cool. You've got your opinion, and I've got mine.

re: #255 Roger

re: #254 Cap'n DOC

But now inflated civilian casualties of 900 a day is highly marketable

From icasualties, the number is about 38/day.

Given that there is documentation that Saddam had over 600,000 executed, killed another 500,000 in the Iranian war, and was responsible for the deaths of who knows how many others from poverty, starvation, and overall poor health care (an infant mortality rate 8 times that of the US, etc.) and that he was in charge about 8000 days, call it 150 a day.

re: #257 Cap'n DOC

One place I'd say our opinions line up entirely, I'll add, is that each of the casualties represents the sacrifice of an unquestionably heroic American.