Bastards.

Why are they referred to as 'ultra-conservative' as if their misogyny were a political statement?

The world looks on with indifference. The multiculturalists look on in silence.

Womens rights groups and human rights groups look on and wonder when they can write their next report castigating Israel.

None of this is shocking or a surprise, despite Drudge proffering it as such.

This woman will face 200 lashes. A second court imposed the harsher sentence because she had the audacity to try and get assistance via the media to deal with a horribly unjust situation that treats rape victims as bad or worse than the rapists themselves.

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Orianna Fallaci, thou shouldst be living at this hour!

and. . .

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Apalling inhumanity. The Princes of the realm will have a lot to answer for come judgement day.

Surprise? Hardly.

WAKE UP DRUDGE. Geesh.

Seriously, I used to go to Drudge for breaking news. Now I must admit( though I dearly love my LGF) that I go first to Hot Air for up to the minute news.

drudge, you're slippin' brother.

That may well be a death sentence.

Ah, but they're a great ally in the War on Terror! So everything's cool.

- george w bush

This probably won't get much play on the MSM, just like the homosexual situation in Iran.
Interesting that it is the rock solid conservatives who actually care for the plight of women and gays in islamic society.

These are Islamists who are imposing the penalties as per their interpretation of the Koran. If you disagree, you'd be considered apostate within Saudi Arabia.

It's the same theology that demands women be completely covered up in Indonesia or Iran or Afghanistan or Pakistan. It's the same theology that punishes those women who do not comply with beatings and jail time.

It's just a stone's throw to the seventh century with the Islamists.

what i want to say, what i feel like saying, is inappropriate for public consumption.

this sounds like the, "well, she asked for it" defense in relation to how the victim dressed. [note: no comment made on behavior, etc.]

and it makes me sick.

re: #4 Sharmuta

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ooooops. Is Stinky awake too?

Got another 110 lashes for trying to defend herself with these thugs. Nice.

re: #8 EC Marm

Nah. The mutawas have to old a copy of the Koran under the arm that they hold the cane in to prevent them from really harming anyone. Its about humiliation as much as anything else.

re: #10 redshirt

This probably won't get much play on the MSM, just like the homosexual situation in Iran.
Interesting that it is the rock solid conservatives who actually care for the plight of women and gays in islamic society.

I think it's because Conservatives by and large care about other people - and just because we disagree with a person on something doesn' t mean we want them to kill over or be murdered. I can't say as much for the liberals - and neither can they, themselves unfort.

and yes, it is ironic and amazing to be sure.

"The beatings will continue until morale improves"

I have been using the Skeptic's Anotated Quoran page for years while I didn't poke around to find out they also have a discussion board.
It is a board dominated by atheists.
As such they sympathize with islamists every chance they get.
I just posted this article in their Religion News section.

[Link: p099.ezboard.com...]

We'll see how they spin it.

re: #15 threecoloursblue

re: #8 EC Marm

Nah. The mutawas have to old a copy of the Koran under the arm that they hold the cane in to prevent them from really harming anyone. Its about humiliation as much as anything else.

TA DA! IN defense of beatings for being raped! nice one. you just get better every day.

This says a lot: "for the victim, a member of the minority Shiite community."

As does this: "The convicted men are Sunni Muslims, the dominant community in the oil-rich Gulf state."

And femminists expressed their outrage....[crickets].

I'm glad to see that the Fist Lady dawning a head scarf has made such a big difference in how they treat their women.

I guess it makes sense that this woman is punished for being with an unrelated male. Obviously she was mocking the judge for being the product of a brother-sister relationship. In fact, incestual saudi royals were deeply offended by her shameless behavior.

Even the John Birch Society didn't birch.

O.T. Drug testing is required for Olympic events and bike races. Why is drug testing not required for presidential candidates?

A political party could probably require anyone wishing to run as a member of that party could probably do so with no legal restrictions. If one party did it the other would feel pressure to do so to.

re: #19 Owl

I'm not in defence of either rape, or punishing the victim, or beating anyone in public. Just explaining how they do it.

And fyi when I worked there the number of ex-pats, both Brits and Americans, who went to Chop Square on a Friday in hopes of seeing a beheading used to disgust me.

Such a vile, barbaric culture deserves to be crushed utterly.

A court in the ultra-conservative kingdom of Saudi Arabia is punishing a female victim of gang rape

As if she hasn't suffered enough. Fucking savages.

Ultra-conservative, huh?

Just like those nasty neo-cons...

The only surprise here is that the men got jail time. I predict early releases.

A court in the ultra-conservative kingdom of Saudi Arabia

I'm sorry, but what exactly about these barbarians is conservative?

Who wrote this, Mr "Screw them" himself?

When beating a camel, wife, or dog always use a firm, swift stroke, but do not strike near they eyes as they will need these to carry your loads, cook, or hunt for you.

re: #26 threecoloursblue

re: #19 Owl

I'm not in defence of either rape, or punishing the victim, or beating anyone in public. Just explaining how they do it.

And fyi when I worked there the number of ex-pats, both Brits and Americans, who went to Chop Square on a Friday in hopes of seeing a beheading used to disgust me.

I took your post to say " Awwww, it ain't so bad."

To think that our government considers this nation to be an ally in the war on terror just makes my skin crawl...

This is what the Western World has to look forward too.

I'll never see though............I would have long died defending my country against these Satanic miscreant, misogynist PIGS.

God Bless America and Protect Her Christian and Jewish People from the Dogs of the Earth and their Satanic religion of the one true devil of the 26 that muhammed choose to base his religion on.

Both Code Pink and Hillary Clinton wil say nothing.

She deserved, hopping into a car with unrelated males, and probably flashed a bit of hair.
/Mutaween

re: #32 Pro-Bush Canuck

I keep saying this, but no-one in my house listens!.

OT
Why pencil's have erasers department:

A former colleague called Prouty “among the best and the brightest” CIA officers in Baghdad. She was so exceptional, agree officials of both agencies, the CIA recruited her from the FBI to work for the agency’s clandestine service at Langley, Va., in June 2003. She then went to Iraq for the agency to work with the U.S. military on the debriefings.

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“Early on, she was an active agent in the debriefings,” said one former intelligence official. “It was more than translation.”

On Tuesday, she pleaded guilty to conspiracy to illegally search FBI computers for classified information about Hezbollah and to naturalization fraud — a sham marriage to a former husband just to become a U.S. citizen. As the Justice Department noted, she needed to be a U.S. citizen to join the CIA and thus had defrauded the agency. (Prouty first came to the United States on a student visa in 1989 and after overstaying her visa paid an acquaintance in Detroit to marry her so she could get U.S. citizenship. She later divorced the man.)

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Yes, let's continue being their buddies.
Let's sell them more military jets.
Let's keep entertaining them at the White House.
Let's
Let's
Let's

Pure sacred progressive democrat leftist feminists have what to say?

*crickets*

Sherry Glaser's antics couldn't stop this.

re: #36 Ojoe

Both Code Pink and Hillary Clinton wil say nothing.

NOW has issued a protest...not!

They are ultra-conservative. Of course they are. What they are conserving is the traditional desert Wahabbist way of life that dates back centuries. You know, a babaric misogynistic past that should be discarded the way we discarded slavery a long time ago.

Only in a demented country like the apartheid kingdom of Saud could a women get whipped like a 19th century slave for being brutally ganged raped.
And up is the new down and the sky is really purple.
Why does no one care about these things?
Why does Jimmy Carter bitch and moan about the supposed horrible atrocities committed by Israel while not lifting a finger over something like this? Jimmy...you said you care...where are you now old man?

re: #32 Pro-Bush Canuck

When beating a camel, wife, or dog always use a firm, swift stroke, but do not strike near they eyes as they will need these to carry your loads, cook, or hunt for you.

Stop spreading your lies. A muslim wouldn't give a damn how he beat a dog.

re: #13 Owl

That was a self delete. I thought I'd save Stinky the trouble, being as there are no words for such an act.

re: #41 FrogMarch

"Men are scum."
"Women are genetically superior rulers."

Etc.

re: #39 Peacekeeper

Best and brightest was a phrase often used to describe Robert Hanssen or Aldrich Ames. We know what happened as well.

re: #33 Owl

No. It's disgusting. But she won't die. Not until her family geta hold of her anyway. That's her next problem.

What does Laura Bush say?

And the Royal House of Saud remains close to the Bush family.
The professional protesters , Code Pink etal won't say a word.
This poor girl was the victim of a brutal crime. It is a disingenuous lie that all cultures are equal. They ain't

Here's a webpage I know LGF readers will love,

Heroes of the War on Terror

"Baseball card" style recognition of the men & women in the US military making a difference around the world.

You can imagine how rampant rape is in Muslim-dominated countries and areas.
They cover for modesty? Yeah, right.

re: #47 Sharmuta

re: #13 Owl

That was a self delete. I thought I'd save Stinky the trouble, being as there are no words for such an act.

From reading your other posts, I thought it might be that way, but I didn't want the wrath of Sinky on me. :)

and you're right. in fact, i'm not even hungry anymore. I think i'll spend lunch praying.

re: #51 pat

What does Laura Bush say?

Laura Bush politely smiled and then shut the door.

Evil country, Saudi Arabia.

Clintonian:
A senior U.S. official familiar with the case says there is no evidence she was a spy and noted that the CIA and FBI have a good record in prosecuting spies, particularly in their own agencies. He says her role was limited.

“This is not John Dillinger or Reilly Ace of Spies,” said the official. “She took an illegal shortcut to the American dream, then she made some inappropriate computer searches. At this point, there is no reason to treat this as a counterintelligence case. There is NO allegation she had ever ties to Hezbollah. You can’t let suspicions get ahead of the facts.”

Good Lord what a dumbass.

re: #55 Owl

I think i'll spend lunch praying.

Think I'll join you and I'll even kiss the American ground I walk on.

re: #50 threecoloursblue

OMG

re: #50 threecoloursblue

re: #33 Owl

No. It's disgusting. But she won't die. Not until her family geta hold of her anyway. That's her next problem.

"But she won't die".......I'm sorry, I'm trying to be fair about this, but when you post things like this it just seems like there's some little bit of you that thinks that because they don't kill them, it's ok that she's getting beaten for being raped. Now, i know you said that wasn't the case, but still....

maybe you're just indifferent to it? I don't know. I admit getting you mixed up with stvip the other day, but I've got my 3CB straight now. And I politely disagree that her "not dying" has anything to do with what's going on with this.

maybe i'm just nuts, then.

re: #49 lawhawk
Ain't no big deal. Some innappropriate searches, you can't prove nothing. Back to sleep.

re: #57 Ringo the Gringo

Evil 'religion' too.

If Wolf blitzer really paid attention to the news, he would ask the Democrats tonight about this situation and ask them their stance toward this REAL torture...

re: #36 Ojoe

Both Code Pink and Hillary Clinton wil say nothing.

Hillary wishes Kathleen Willy and Juanita Broderick would have been dealt with "saudi style" after her serial rapist husband had his way with them.

bad joke
What do you tell a saudi Woman with two black eyes?
NOTHING, you already told her twice

re: #61 Owl

Some days it's easy to mix up the mobys.

Ok, liberal appeasement-monkey lurkers - we KNOW you are out there...

HOW MANY examples of standard islamofascist doctrine like this will it take? HUH? You really still think Sharia is still cool? Wake the fuck up already. The grownups are becoming short on patience with you.

re: #64 tfc3rid

Bullseye

So how do you bring an 'ultra-conservative kingdom' like Saudi Arabia into the modern world? I mean it's like finding cavemen, ruled by barbaric laws, who happen to be fantastically rich. what do you do? This whole Islamic rape stuff makes me sick and puts the point on how barbaric they are. I see no way to engage and improve their culture, and now I'm starting to sound like a Democrat.

re: #64 tfc3rid

If Wolf blitzer really paid attention to the news, he would ask the Democrats tonight about this situation and ask them their stance toward this REAL torture...

Brilliant. If anyone asks them anything about radical islam I'll eat my hat. ( As Allahpundit says..my "hat made out of cake"..but still...)

I mean, there could be some softball questions, but you and I know that there is no way they are going to ask Obama or hillary what they think about being beaten because you were in a car with the wrong guy and got gang raped. No. Way. No. How.

cowards.

re: #31 Shug

A court in the ultra-conservative kingdom of Saudi Arabia

I'm sorry, but what exactly about these barbarians is conservative?

Who wrote this, Mr "Screw them" himself?

Hey, it's his first piece for Newsweak!

/piece of shit, that is

re: #66 Sharmuta

I miss when there was only one. :) ( well, one really active one anyway)

And...

What is happening in Pakistan right now is just a small taste what is coming in Saudi Arabia sometime...

re: #65 Shug

re: #36 Ojoe

Both Code Pink and Hillary Clinton wil say nothing.

Hillary wishes Kathleen Willy and Juanita Broderick would have been dealt with "saudi style" after her serial rapist husband had his way with them.

bad joke
What do you tell a saudi Woman with two black eyes?
NOTHING, you already told her twice

Somebody is still after Kathleen Willy. I heard her on the radio the other day. Her house was recently broken into & her manuscript re the whole sordid mess was stolen before it could get to her publisher.
These people play rough

re: #15 threecoloursblue

re: #8 EC Marm

Nah. The mutawas have to old a copy of the Koran under the arm that they hold the cane in to prevent them from really harming anyone. Its about humiliation as much as anything else.

Assuming your assertion is true (you didn't cite a source), would you volunteer?

Also, what's the rational justification for judicially-mandated "humiliation" of a gang-rape victim? (I bet Ann Coulter could if she were promoting a book, but no fair asking her.)

re: #69 Sabnen

Its worse that they are rich.

We need to quit buying their oil

We need to develop alternative energies in all their forms.

re: #70 Owl

It would be a relevent question since the US has officially declared Saudi Arabia to be an ally. Granted, an ally of necessity, but an ally nonetheless. We have some interest in knowing what our allies are up to internally...

Medieval bastards!

Only a few weeks ago they beheaded a witch.

re: #76 Ojoe

We do need to quit buying their oil
We also need to get China, India and Russia to quit buying their oil too

This really pisses me off today.

I have been putting a good deal of $ into rennovating an old car. I'm one step away from scrapping my 5 years of work and buying some sort of electric motor.

FUCK. THESE. PEOPLE.

re: #78 Ringo the Gringo

Medieval bastards!

Only a few weeks ago they beheaded a witch.

You mean you have been to Salem Village, Riyadh?

COUNT the number of times Islamic Extremism is brought up tonight... Or Islamic Fundamentalism, Radical Islam, etc...

The Dems will blame GWB for the growth of terrorism...

I'll have more respect for Blitzer if he dares utter a word about Islamofascism...

re: #74 opnion

oh yes they do.
Lots of dead bodies in the wake of the Clintons.........

I hate to drag out the old "Clinton body count" again but there remains the fact that a lot of people committed suicide by decapitating themselves and shooting themselves multiple times with shotguns.

oh and Vince Foster

Kathleen should be very afraid

re: #79 Sizzlack

It would be a start if we quit, but we would need real leadership in this country for that

I spit on both parties

A grim milestone is about to be ignored.

10,000 terrorist attacks around the world since 9/11. All courtesy of the you know who.

re: #77 Pro-Bush Canuck

i didnt' say it wasn't relevant? did I? oh crap, I better take another swig of Mtn. Dew. :) I was just saying there's no way they'd ask Queen Hillary anything about that - esp. after her showing at the last debate.

re: #60 Ojoe

What do you mean...OMG ? Don't you know about honour killings? Of course the girl is in trouble with her family, clan , whatever.

There are no words for this, I agree.

I feel truly sorry for this person.

The dead cry out.

"Conservative" simply means to conserve traditional ways. It doesn't specify what it is that is being conserved. In countries like the US and Canada we have much that is WORTH conerving, and hence being an American conservative is a GOOD thing. If you live in Saudi Arabia then being a conservative is a bad thing, due to what you are conserving.

It's context-sensitive.

What Saudi Arabia needs right now are revolutionaries and progressives, not conservatives.

re: #80 astronmr20

Use your bicycle more

re: #53 Kenneth

Here's a webpage I know LGF readers will love,

Heroes of the War on Terror

"Baseball card" style recognition of the men & women in the US military making a difference around the world.

Thanks for that link. It's wonderful, but maddening as well. A celebrity farts, and we have to hear about it 24/7. Why don't the news media tell the stories of those great men and women instead?

re: #87 threecoloursblue

Yes I know. the OMG is for the horror of it

sometimes it really hits me

The Dems are a bunch of cowards... They will involve themselves in a Million debates but refuse to debate questions from Brit Hume, Juan Williams, Fred Barnes, etc...

Their fear of the Fox News Channel is greater than their fear of Islamofascists... That tells you all you need to know.

re: #75 negativ

My source is that I've worked there. And cut the snide remarks. I don't "support" any of this.

re: #83 Shug

re: #74 opnion

oh yes they do.
Lots of dead bodies in the wake of the Clintons.........

I hate to drag out the old "Clinton body count" again but there remains the fact that a lot of people committed suicide by decapitating themselves and shooting themselves multiple times with shotguns.

oh and Vince Foster

Kathleen should be very afraid

Arkanicide?

How deep is the multi-culti rot? Even with W's and Laura's pro-Saudi public pronouncements sweetening the pie, the Feministas won't say a peep about this. They hate our own culture even more than than hate Bush.

Think about that for a sec.

re: #85 lawhawk

A grim milestone is about to be ignored.

10,000 terrorist attacks around the world since 9/11. All courtesy of the you know who.

Rumsfield? Rove? Cheney? Bush?

So many to blame, so little sanity.

"But in a new verdict issued after Saudi Arabia’s Higher Judicial Council ordered a retrial, the court in the eastern town of Al-Qatif more than doubled the number of lashes to 200.

A court source told the English-language Arab News that the judges had decided to punish the woman further for “her attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media"

So, not only are they going to "lash" her, but because she went to the media for help, she gets more "lashings'. They just can't stand people who want to let the outside world know what the hell is going on over there.

Evil Incarnate in the Magic Kingdom™....

re: #85 lawhawk

It won't be ignored if they can get a GWB angle into it...

LAPD's Muslim mapping plan killed

re: #51 pat

Well, what with that scarf over Laura's head and all, it was kind of hard to tell just what she said.

Meanwhile, Nancy and Hillary couldn't weren't available for comment, but I'm sure they're "very concerned".

(Meanwhile, Dubya was giving tours of the ranch in Crawford and holding hands with their most elite.)

re: #94 threecoloursblue

re: #75 negativ

My source is that I've worked there. And cut the snide remarks. I don't "support" any of this.

But you think it's not such a big deal, though. Am I right? 'Cause that's how it comes across....to me at least. Maybe you could clarify your thoughts a bit for us. Or maybe you don't feel the need to - which is fine too. Just saying. Your first two posts read like " Well, it's not as bad as you think it is"...but then you also say she's in deep crap when she gets home - so i guess i'm just not understanding you. Maybe you're just a cold-hearted conservative, then? I dunno.

re: #103 Owl

TCB is horrorified, can't you tell?

I find it interesting that liberals will pull out the "Rule of Thumb" canard to show the alleged misogyny in the American legal system ([Link: womenshistory.about.com...] but won't say a word about a real, legal beating of a woman.

re: #104 Ojoe

I can't tell if it's just a cool customer...kinda like " oh well, that's over there", or if it's( and by it's i mean IT'S ) just hunky dorie with beatings as long as they don't kill them.

honestly. What the heck...

Too bad she wasn't armed when she got in the car.

re: #103 Owl

I just meant that the lashes won't kill her because of the way they're supposed to be carried out. However I feel that her real problem comes afterwards. What do you want me to do.... rush over there and yell" stop it" ?

re: #50 threecoloursblue

re: #33 Owl

No. It's disgusting. But she won't die. Not until her family geta hold of her anyway. That's her next problem.

Gang rape followed by 200 lashes followed by 'honor' killing (very soon). What a great culture! Such diversity!

/way sarc

re: #108 threecoloursblue

No...not at all. I just want to try and understand your posts, that's all.

re: #107 Ojoe

Too bad she wasn't armed when she got in the car.

Women capable of self-defense is an insult to Islam.

re: #104 Ojoe

Is there a prize for venting here ? Can't you just take it as read that I am disgusted?

A real rape victim in Saudi Arabia gets flogged.

A fake rape victim in North Carolina gets off scott-free.

Is there any way we could set up an exchange of some sort?

"Were there 3 male witnesses to this alleged rape? If not, the sentencing of the young men goes against Koranic law & the young men should be set free immediately. The woman should then be gang-raped by 75 tribal elders over a period of 3 days, then whipped, stoned, and eventually beheaded."

--98.7% of all Muslim males in the Middle East

re: #112 threecoloursblue

Yes, I take it that you are disgusted as am I

we are on the same wavelength

somehow the words we are using miss a bit

re: #15 threecoloursblue

Nah. The mutawas have to old a copy of the Koran under the arm that they hold the cane in to prevent them from really harming anyone. Its about humiliation as much as anything else.

I should think the gang rape itself was humiliation enough.

re: #112 threecoloursblue

re: #104 Ojoe

Is there a prize for venting here ? Can't you just take it as read that I am disgusted?

Yes, for God's sake Ojoe, keep it under control. Someone might see you(us).

3CB, that post told me alot about you. I don't think I'm reading you wrong at all, am I?

It is the religion of peace..... How do they justify this type of behavior? One gets the feeling that if they were to loosen up on one thing, say women being able to freely associate with whom they will, the whole house of cards would come tumbling down.

re: #113 JamesTKirk

A real rape victim in Saudi Arabia gets flogged.

A fake rape victim in North Carolina gets off scott-free.

Is there any way we could set up an exchange of some sort?

Let's send Mike Nifong to Mecca

re: #111 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Only- or mainly - in Wahabist Arab countries. In North Africa women are in the armed forces.

re: #116 JamesTKirk

re: #15 threecoloursblue

Nah. The mutawas have to old a copy of the Koran under the arm that they hold the cane in to prevent them from really harming anyone. Its about humiliation as much as anything else.

I should think the gang rape itself was humiliation enough.

and I'm sure since there is a copy of the facist bible under the arm that they aren't " really harming anyone." If the goal is not to harm them, then why do it at all? Why not just put their picture in the paper with " WHORE" under it?

But of course in SA, how much does a woman's testimony count for, 1/3 of a man's? Sick bastards...

re: #120 threecoloursblue

re: #111 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Only- or mainly - in Wahabist Arab countries. In North Africa women are in the armed forces.

are they armed or just there as sex slaves.

re: #116 JamesTKirk

What? In Saudi there's layer upon layer of humiliation.

Some good news: Court rules to extradite cleric Abu Hamza to US

LONDON (Reuters) - A court ruled Thursday that radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri could be extradited to the United States to face terrorism charges including trying to set up an al Qaeda training camp in Oregon.

Egyptian-born Hamza, 49, serving a seven-year jail term in Britain for inciting his followers to murder nonbelievers, is wanted by U.S. authorities on 11 charges.

The U.S. indictment accuses Hamza -- who had a hook in place of a missing hand -- of attempting to set up a terrorist training camp in Bly, Oregon, from 1999 to early 2000, and also providing support to al Qaeda and the Taliban.

Hamza, who applauded the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington in 2001, also faces charges that he was involved in plotting the seizure of 16 Western hostages in Yemen in 1998.

Four of the hostages, three Britons and an Australian, were killed when Yemeni troops stormed the militants' hide-out.

Hamza was quizzed at the time by police but was not charged and Washington said it had since obtained new evidence -- an interview the cleric had given to one of the hostages who survived.

If convicted, he faces a maximum sentence of up to 100 years in prison.

re: #78 Ringo the Gringo

Medieval bastards!

Only a few weeks ago they beheaded a witch.

Be fair. She turned me into a newt.

re: #123 bulwrk

Armed. The other is unlikely as clan wars would break out.

re: #107 Ojoe

Too bad she wasn't armed when she got in the car.

Then it would be the head chopper for her, Iran has hung a couple of young women for forcefully defending their honor.

Silence.... silence... silence... silence....

--All Western feminists who rail against Western "patriarchy" but who mysteriously go mute every time there is an atrocity against women in the Muslim world

On a related topic,

Judge orders Beltline rapist locked up indefinitely

A man dubbed the Beltine rapist after the Calgary neighbourhood where he attacked his victims will be jailed indefinitely as a dangerous offender, a judge ruled Wednesday.

Wafid Delaa, 41, knocked a 19-year-old woman unconscious in her own home south of downtown Calgary and raped her in September 2003. Six months later, he committed the same crime, attacking a 16-year-old.

Delaa was convicted of sexual assault and unlawful confinement in 2006. He also had previous assault convictions dating back to 1999. The Crown argued giving Delaa a set prison sentence would endanger the community.

"I will not gamble on the safety of women in this community," Judge Sandy Park said Wednesday in designating Delaa a dangerous offender.

Park noted that little is known about Delaa's background before he arrived illegally in Canada from Algeria in 1997, and that the 41-year-old has shown a pattern of violence toward both men and women.

The ruling means Delaa will remain in jail until a doctor says he no longer poses a threat to public safety. He could also face deportation to his native Algeria.

Say, did you catch that WTF bit too?

re: #129 firebreather

Silence.... silence... silence... silence....

--All Western feminists who rail against Western "patriarchy" but who mysteriously go mute every time there is an atrocity against women in the Muslim world

...and I can't figure out one thing....WHY?

Anyone got any ideas? I admit to being totally dumbfounded by this....

re: #101 bulwrk

LAPD's Muslim mapping plan killed

Well, we knew that was coming. CAIR got to them.

re: #129 firebreather

Silence.... silence... silence... silence....

--All Western feminists who rail against Western "patriarchy" but who mysteriously go mute every time there is an atrocity against women in the Muslim world

It not about "rights" for anyone, feminism is about leftist ideology.

re: #132 Ward Cleaver

re: #101 bulwrk

LAPD's Muslim mapping plan killed

Well, we knew that was coming. CAIR got to them.

Owl Declares CAIR Terrorist Organization

/ not

re: #129 firebreather

I hear women regularily denounce this stuff as barbaric. You won't find top political women denounce it often as "oil" and "pragmatism" rule.

Something interesting at Michelle Malkin about the "grim milestone" the MSM will ignore:

Some deaths count more than others, Patrick Poole notes:

The establishment media is seemingly obsessed with “grim milestones” in the War on Terror, as the Associated Press reminds us this past weekend. But in the next week those same establishment media outlets will probably stand mute when yet another “grim milestone” is reached – the10,000th attack by Islamic terrorists and militants since 9/11, which is responsible for approximately 60,000 dead and 90,000 injured.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

The same principal is at stake here for the US to ally with the Saudis as with the counter-jihadists allying with neo-nazis.

"But they are helping us with the WOT" doesn't hold much weight compared to "they are a murderous, tyrannical, vicious dictatorship."

"The woman got off lightly with 200 lashes... these young Arab Muslim men now have an undeserved stain on their honor... the honorable thing to do would be to rape & vivisect any sisters the woman may have, and her mother as well...Islam is the only light in this world of darkness created by the United States, Israel, and Tony Blair...."

--George Galloway, Red Ken Livingstone, and friends

OT
Iran has lied for years about it's nuclear program , but now is lying less. However it won't stop reprocessing Uranium. So says the latest optimistic UN report.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

re: #107 Ojoe
Too bad she wasn't armed when she got in the car.

Gun control works in Saudi Arabia. Keeps the uppity Witch Temptresses from seducing hapless Islamic bucks.

Aragorn: You have some skill with a blade.
Eowyn: The women of this country learned long ago, those without swords can still die upon them.

re: #134 Owl

FATWA on you!

/

Of course we knew that the LAPD would fall apart on this one... Too bad though, it would have been very interesting to see what they would come up with.

Barbarism as usual.

Sharia is not law, it is anti-law.

Al Durah update.
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

re: #139 pat

Spin, spin, spin those centrifuges...

Liberal Feminist Now type "But it's their culture donchaknow and we just need to understand them" I work with a 70 something year old Iranian woman who has lived in the US for over 40 years, her husband was a diplomat. We were discussing Saudi Arabia one day and I was venting my disgust at how women were treated in that part of the world. She looked at me like I was an idiot, and said "those women have everything they want....you are probably jealous". I didn't continue....obviously a lost cause; and this from a woman who is a "career" woman; has supported herself very nicely for 20 years since her husband's passing. Go figure.

OT Homeland Security finds connection between 'truthers' and Taliban:

[Link: www.opednews.com...]

#131 Owl--

#133 jcm--

#135 threecoloursblue--

Other than conservative feminist Tammy Bruce, I can't think of a single high profile feminist who has denounced Muslim male barbarism against Muslim women.

Gloria Steinham? Gloria Allred? Susan Sarandon? Katie Couric? Hillary? Any feminist on the Left?

re: #79 Sizzlack

re: #76 Ojoe

We do need to quit buying their oil
We also need to get China, India and Russia to quit buying their oil too

We ought to take our oil back. They "nationalized" (stole) it from us in the 1950's and 1960's.

But our terrorism fighting President and his Sec. of State have no problem with the Saudis:

Bush certifies Saudi Arabia as anti-terrorism ally

US President George W. Bush certified Saudi Arabia as an anti-terrorism ally on Friday, weeks after a top US Treasury official sharply criticized the kingdom's record.

Bush's move came in a memorandum to US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, required under US law to free up aid from Washington to Riyadh, that the White House released to reporters.

"I hereby certify that Saudi Arabia is cooperating with efforts to combat international terrorism and that the proposed assistance will help facilitate that effort," the president said.

His memorandum came a little more than a month after the US Treasury undersecretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, Stuart Levey, charged that Saudi Arabia has failed to prosecute the bankrollers of terrorist groups.

Levey, the undersecretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, told the US network ABC that not a single individual identified by the United States or the United Nations as a terror financier had been prosecuted by Saudi Arabia.

"If I could somehow snap my fingers and cut off the funding from one country, it would be Saudi Arabia," Levey told the television network one day after the sixth anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

"When the evidence is clear that these individuals have funded terrorist organizations, and knowingly done so, then that should be prosecuted and treated as real terrorism because it is," Levey told ABC.

Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal dismissed the criticism, saying Levey's public rebuke was at odds with private praise from US officials.
[Link: www.topix.com...]

The biggest losers in the genetic lottery end up being born muslim and female in Saudi Arabia.

Damned by fate to a living hell.

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re: #147 firebreather

#131 Owl--

#133 jcm--

#135 threecoloursblue--

Other than conservative feminist Tammy Bruce, I can't think of a single high profile feminist who has denounced Muslim male barbarism against Muslim women.

Gloria Steinham? Gloria Allred? Susan Sarandon? Katie Couric? Hillary? Any feminist on the Left?

Leftist hate liberty, individual responsibility.
Islamists hate liberty, individual responsibility.

Unlike LGF where a confluence of goals, i.e. the battle against Jihadist, we are unwilling to align with those who have the a similar goal but do not believe in individual liberty for all.

The Leftists are willing to align with Islamists because the see a common interest in achieving centralized control, and limits on liberty.

Can anybody help me find the statement that NOW published? It's gotta be here somewhere...

I would love nothing more than wave upon wave of outraged female paratroopers to invoke regime change in this backwardass scociety.

re: #146 yenta-fada

Please don't link to leftist conspiracy mongering 9-11 twoofer sites. We don't need that crap here.

Other than conservative feminist Tammy Bruce, I can't think of a single high profile feminist who has denounced Muslim male barbarism against Muslim women.

The Feminist Response typically goes as follows:

1. The stories are lies.

2. If not lies, they reflect a society that has been pressured into committing such measures by decades of American Imperialist Misogynistic Aggression.

re: #131 Owl

re: #129 firebreather

Silence.... silence... silence... silence....

--All Western feminists who rail against Western "patriarchy" but who mysteriously go mute every time there is an atrocity against women in the Muslim world

...and I can't figure out one thing....WHY?

Anyone got any ideas? I admit to being totally dumbfounded by this....

Because then they'd have to do something about it. Which would mean...

re: #6 Peacekeeper

Apalling inhumanity. The Princes of the realm will have a lot to answer for come judgement day.

And until that time, we'll just continue to hold hands with them, send Karen Hughes to convince them that we're nice, send Mrs Bush to model the latest fashions, and screw Israel for them.

So I guess we wait for heavenly judgement...........or a President with balls.

re: #111 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

re: #107 Ojoe

Too bad she wasn't armed when she got in the car.

Women capable of self-defense is an insult to Islam.

Besides, she'd have been sentenced to death if she had actually killed one of the animals.

re #164 Kenneth

Sorry, I didn't check the site fully before I posted. I just thought the story linked the Taliban with 9/11 truther turncoats.

re: #151 jcm

Read anything by Phyllis Chessler. She married one, so maybe that doesn't count as she found out at first hand how these people work.

re: #159 yenta-fada

The story starts out straight forward but then it takes a moonbat turn. If you looked around the rest of the site, you can see it's a nest of sick conspiracy crap and leftist propaganda.

Oil Imports to the US in thousands of barrels.

Country.................YTD 2007..............Precentage
CANADA.................2,430...................21. 21%
SAUDI ARABIA.......1,462....................12.76%
MEXICO.................1,563....................13 .64%
VENEZUELA............1,353....................11.8 1%
NIGERIA................1,085...................... 9.47%
ALGERIA..................732...................... .6.39%
IRAQ.......................494.................... ....4.31%
ANGOLA...................544...................... ..4.75%
VIRGIN ISLANDS......332........................2.90%
RUSSIA....................409..................... ..3.57%
ECUADOR.................205....................... 1.79%
BRAZIL....................218..................... ...1.90%
COLOMBIA...............148........................ .1.29%
UNITED KINGDOM.....289.........................2.52%
KUWAIT...................191...................... ...1.67%
Total...................11,455

Anyone don't think we can find a way to replace 13% of our imported oil? If we really decide it would be in our national interest.

Sure the Saudi's would sell it to the ChiComs.

But we would not be beholden to the Saudis.

Martha Burke, where are you when women really need you? Paging all members of NOW; paging all members of NOW! Strangely silent these self serving bitches. Can someone please tell me why the USA is sending foreign aid to the Kingdon of Saudi Arabia? It is easy to understand why their laws are not written and codified; they could not change them on their whims to further punish such impudent women. WTF is wrong with all this?

re: #162 jcm

Very interesting numbers ... but we also need to find replacement for oil from Venezuela.

re: #160 threecoloursblue

Phyllis Chessler is a smart, deeply prinicipled feminist. She has written many books and thousands of articles. And ever since 9-11, when she spoke out against Islamofascism she has been thoroughly ostracized by her former colleagues. To most feminists, Chessler has become a non-person.

re #161 Kenneth

I REALLY REALLY hate the conspiracy crap. The Ron Paul supporters and truthers see their enemy as their own government. They think Islamic terrorism is a joke. It's devastating.

re: #162 jcm

Oil Imports to the US in thousands of barrels.

Country.................YTD 2007..............Precentage
CANADA.................2,430............ .......21.21%
SAUDI ARABIA.......1,462....................12 .76%
MEXICO.................1,563............ ........13.64%
VENEZUELA............1,353.............. ......11.81%
NIGERIA................1,085............ ..........9.47%
ALGERIA..................732............ ...........6.39%
IRAQ.......................494.......... ..............4.31%
ANGOLA...................544............ ............4.75%
VIRGIN ISLANDS......332........................ 2.90%
RUSSIA....................409........... ............3.57%
ECUADOR.................205............. ..........1.79%
BRAZIL....................218........... .............1.90%
COLOMBIA...............148.............. ...........1.29%
UNITED KINGDOM.....289......................... 2.52%
KUWAIT...................191............ .............1.67%
Total...................11,455

Anyone don't think we can find a way to replace 13% of our imported oil? If we really decide it would be in our national interest.

Sure the Saudi's would sell it to the ChiComs.

But we would not be beholden to the Saudis.

well, going by this - why the heck do we care how much oil OPEC produces - and why does it go up so much when they wiggle teh wrong way? HEY CANADA, SEND MORE OIL. We know you all ride horses up there anyway. :) hee hee

re: #162 jcm

Great data. Have you got a link?

I have a suggestion for replacing that 13% Saudi oil:

Iraq -as the security situation continues to improve, the economic reconstruction will grow too.

And then: how about a democratic, non-mullah Iran?

re: #166 yenta-fada

I didn't think you were a nutbar. Which is why I (barely) held off calling you names. ;)

#169 Kenneth

Well, my inner child appreciates your restraint.

re: #168 Kenneth

re: #162 jcm

Great data. Have you got a link?

I have a suggestion for replacing that 13% Saudi oil:

Iraq -as the security situation continues to improve, the economic reconstruction will grow too.

And then: how about a democratic, non-mullah Iran?

Linky
[Link: www.eia.doe.gov...]

re: #171 jcm

Thanks. I've book marked it. I expect the Canadian contribution will continue to go up, which makes me happy as I hold stock in Canadian oil companies.

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AArrgghhhhhhh.......

Banging head against the desk.

re: #167 Owl

re: #168 Kenneth

I don't think replacing 13% should be a huge hurdle to get across. Iraq can produce a lot more, we've got stuff off CA, FL, and the Gulf we can easily get to, ANWR is 5 years out if we really had the will.

We can help the resistance in Iran with regime change, same in Venezuela.

Easy, NO, but it can be done.

re: #162 jcm

Anyone don't think we can find a way to replace 13% of our imported oil?

Not all of it, but as the situation in Iraq continues to improve, the flow of oil from that country will increase. Iraq has roughly 10% of the world's proven oil reserves, and it's the high quality, low sulfur stuff. The infrastructure went to shit under Saddam, and of course, the terrorists keep sabotaging efforts to rebuild it.

And from what I understand, Alberta is the SA of tar sands.

re: #87 threecoloursblue

re: #60 Ojoe

What do you mean...OMG ? Don't you know about honour killings? Of course the girl is in trouble with her family, clan , whatever.

What threecoloursblue wrote is the poor girl's real death sentence. Family honor demands that the family kill her for the dishonor she brought on the family by being raped.

In far too many Muslim cultures, a family's honor resides between its females' legs. If a female's virginity before marriage or chastity after marriage is the slightest bit doubted, her birth family is totally dishonored. The only way the birth family can regain its honor is by killing the female. She must be killed by either her brothers, her father, her cousins, her uncles or any other males of her birth family. If she is married, her in-laws are not nearly as shamed as her birth family.

re: #175 David Simon

re: #162 jcm

Anyone don't think we can find a way to replace 13% of our imported oil?

Not all of it, but as the situation in Iraq continues to improve, the flow of oil from that country will increase. Iraq has roughly 10% of the world's proven oil reserves, and it's the high quality, low sulfur stuff. The infrastructure went to shit under Saddam, and of course, the terrorists keep sabotaging efforts to rebuild it.

And from what I understand, Alberta is the SA of tar sands.

Saudi reserves are just under 300 billion barrels. Tar sands in N. American, Canada having the larger share is 3 TRILLION barrels, 1000 times SA.

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

re: #162 jcm

Anyone don't think we can find a way to replace 13% of our imported oil?

They will take my imported olive oil from me when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

As long as it isn't Pali Olive Oil. ;-)

PETA has put olive oil in their sights. Olives have feelings too ya know? They shouldn't be squeezed nor eaten. re: #179 jcm

600 million women in need of emancipation, yet we and the world do nearly nothing.

re: #178 jcm

re: #175 David Simon

re: #162 jcm

Anyone don't think we can find a way to replace 13% of our imported oil?

Not all of it, but as the situation in Iraq continues to improve, the flow of oil from that country will increase. Iraq has roughly 10% of the world's proven oil reserves, and it's the high quality, low sulfur stuff. The infrastructure went to shit under Saddam, and of course, the terrorists keep sabotaging efforts to rebuild it.

And from what I understand, Alberta is the SA of tar sands.

Saudi reserves are just under 300 billion barrels. Tar sands in N. American, Canada having the larger share is 3 TRILLION barrels, 1000 times SA.

Estimates are all over the map. I've seen estimates from 175 billion barrels to your figure (which I like a whole lot better). If you have a link to a credible source, it would be most appreciated.

re: #2 Carl in Jerusalem

Why are they referred to as 'ultra-conservative' as if their misogyny were a political statement?

It's a slur against American conservatives. The left likes to believe that they want to turn the US into a Saudi Arabia style theocracy. Remember that for the mainstream media every opportunity should be taken to associate conservatives with evil.

re: #177 samsgran1948

It is beyond tragic

re: #184 jenv

An honest media would switch from "ultra-conservative' to "barbaric".

I came across this while going thru the NYT website. They haven't exactly been on the ball with the Saudi rape case, but they are following another old rape case - the infamous NYC Central Park Jogger rape case, and the victim's subsequent mugging by Oprah and Couric over whether she took or felt blame for jogging in Central Park the night she was attacked.

Just a real interesting juxtaposition.

re: #183 David Simon

The total size of the deposit is not as important as the "recoverable" amount of the deposit. The Canadian tar sands do have recoverable deposits greater than the Saudi reserves, but it costs more to get it. So long as oil stays above $60 per barrel, it's economical.

With Islam, who needs Hell?

"Lahem, also a human rights activist, told AFP on Wednesday that the court had banned him from handling the rape case and withdrew his licence to practise law because he challenged the verdict."

With victims harshly punished (in multiple ways) and defense lawyers facing disbarment merely for doing their jobs, the next rape victim will suffer in silence. If she can.

Bottom line: Saudi Arabia sanctions rape.

Where is Amnesty International?

re: #184 jenv

Long past time to discard the useless "left-right" "liberal-conservative" dichotomy. It certainly has no application here.

re: #162 jcm

Oil Imports to the US in thousands of barrels.

Country.................YTD 2007..............Precentage
CANADA.................2,430............ .......21.21%
SAUDI ARABIA.......1,462....................12 .76%
MEXICO.................1,563............ ........13.64%
VENEZUELA............1,353.............. ......11.81%
NIGERIA................1,085............ ..........9.47%
ALGERIA..................732............ ...........6.39%
IRAQ.......................494.......... ..............4.31%
ANGOLA...................544............ ............4.75%
VIRGIN ISLANDS......332........................ 2.90%
RUSSIA....................409........... ............3.57%
ECUADOR.................205............. ..........1.79%
BRAZIL....................218........... .............1.90%
COLOMBIA...............148.............. ...........1.29%
UNITED KINGDOM.....289......................... 2.52%
KUWAIT...................191............ .............1.67%
Total...................11,455

Anyone don't think we can find a way to replace 13% of our imported oil? If we really decide it would be in our national interest.

Sure the Saudi's would sell it to the ChiComs.

But we would not be beholden to the Saudis.

Nice try, jcm, but as you point out, China and India would buy that oil in a heartbeat. While we would not be beholden to the Saudis for oil, the Saudis would still be rolling in money -- more than enough money to keep on financing jihad.

No, the only real solution is to replace oil altogether. If you look at that list of countries we buy oil from, you'll notice several questionable sources such as Venezuela. I am happy to buy oil from our neighbors to the north and our friends in England, but unfortunately that means keeping the House of Saud and Hugo in business.

The only way to truly defang the Saudis and their Wahhabist cult is to totally deprive them of oil revenues. Thanks to oil money, the Saudis have no other means of making money. The oil money has essentially been wasted by greedy Princes, and not put into infrastructure or education. Without oil money, the entire Saudi economy will crumble -- as will Iran's and Venezuela's.

re: #25 williwonka

O.T. Drug testing is required for Olympic events and bike races. Why is drug testing not required for presidential candidates?

A political party could probably require anyone wishing to run as a member of that party could probably do so with no legal restrictions. If one party did it the other would feel pressure to do so to.

Shrillary would test positive for viagra.

re: #192 samsgran1948

...While we would not be beholden to the Saudis for oil, the Saudis would still be rolling in money -- more than enough money to keep on financing jihad.

No, the only real solution is to replace oil altogether.

Put two and two together and come up with four, man!

They stole the oil from Western oil companies. Now they are waging war against us. Why shouldn't we take it back from them, again?

What, exactly, obligates us to sacrifice financially and set ourselves back decades by trying to find alternative sources of energy?

re: #188 Kenneth

[Link: www.petroprobe.com...]

Here's one source. An estimated 1.5 trillion barrels in the Rocky Mountain states of the U.S.

re: #192 samsgran1948

We know, we know... the Chinese, Indians and Europeans would buy the oil, and the Saudis would still have money. But it wouldn't be US money, and the US wouldn't be forced to protect the Saudis ass. That's the point. Call it a half-victory.

re: #195 COConservative

Interesting information there, thanks. Extracting shale oil requires considerable energy, so at what price per barrel does it become economical?

I don't have a link to accompany, but I recall reading during the post-Katrina shortages that $70/barrel made shale extraction feasible. Here's a link to a 2002 article from Colorado.

[Link: www.hcn.org...]

Shell is/was operating an experimental facility near Parachute, CO.

Story now picked up by Fox News:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

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re: #197 Kenneth

[Link: www.unconventionalfuels.org...]

This fact sheet claims an annual rate of return of 15% at oil costs of above $54/barrel.

#200 COConservative ,

$54/barrel is pretty good. Canadian tar sands price is $60/barrel. If you factor in the huge savings in not having to protect the Saudi oil ticks, it's a heck of a bargain.

Nothing like adding to a gang-rape victims trauma.

I wonder what Condoleezza Rice and Laura Bush think about the lashing of female rape victims in Saudi Arabia?

Maybe it's just the cultural differences between the United States and the KSA. You don't see Saudi women out in the street protesting this sort of punishment after all. If they submit to wearing black sacks they probably agree with lashing for rape victims. Who are we to question their culture?

Agreed. Here in CO, there's a "green" movement to prohibit or at least restrict efforts to extract oil shale.

At some point, the U.S. has to make a commitment to free itself from its slavery to ME oil. Tar sands and shale are pieces to the solution, I believe.

re: #203 Bill K.

Who are we to question their culture?

You can't be serious.

re: #205 COConservative

I think Bill is being bitterly, bitterly sarcastic.

My first thought, but was not sure.

Time to get some work done. Have a great day, all.

— whose six armed attackers have been sentenced to jail terms —

If Saudi women are getting 200 lashes for being a sex crime victim, then they might as well commit a real crime and kill their attackers. Saudi women need to carry loaded suicide belt bombs so unrelated men do not get in a vehicle with them. It may even make the guy delivering 200 lashes to hit a little softer if the women might blow up.

#205 COConservative

Quite serious.

After all Laura Bush went over to SA and slobbered all over her hosts. She didn't have any compunctions about posing with those poor slobs in the black sacks or wearing a veil herself. I haven't heard any protests from her or Rice about the treatment of this rape victims. Who are we to question the wisdom of Laura Bush and Condoleezza Rice?

re: #203 Bill K.
Just in case Bill isn't thinking logically, I sent this article to my daughter-in-law, (my son is stationed in Kuwait with dependents), and just received her reply:
"Yep, that's ALL over the news here, and as a glimmer of hope for you, the Kuwaitis are disgusted."

Apparently some Muslims believe the Wahabi Saudi's culture is wrong.

re: #196 Kenneth

re: #192 samsgran1948

We know, we know... the Chinese, Indians and Europeans would buy the oil, and the Saudis would still have money. But it wouldn't be US money, and the US wouldn't be forced to protect the Saudis ass. That's the point. Call it a half-victory.

Nope, I can't accept a glass that is half full, and I can't accept a solution that leaves the Saudis with enough money to keep financing jihad and promote Wahhabism all across the world -- unless it is agreed by all parties involved that the half full glass is merely a way station on the road to a full glass.

Those [deleted] should be [deleted] then [deleted] and their [deleted] [deleted].

re: #201 Kenneth

#200 COConservative ,

$54/barrel is pretty good. Canadian tar sands price is $60/barrel. If you factor in the huge savings in not having to protect the Saudi oil ticks, it's a heck of a bargain.

re: #204 COConservative

Agreed. Here in CO, there's a "green" movement to prohibit or at least restrict efforts to extract oil shale.

At some point, the U.S. has to make a commitment to free itself from its slavery to ME oil. Tar sands and shale are pieces to the solution, I believe.

I would be willing to pay $4.oo per gallon or more for gasoline if I knew it meant no revenues going to the ME or Venezuela. Why should we finance those who kill us and curse us?

poor girl.. I doubt she'll survive.

I think I saw some very angry post about this at DailyKos....

//NOT//

re: #89 Pro-Bush Canuck

"Conservative" simply means to conserve traditional ways. It doesn't specify what it is that is being conserved. In countries like the US and Canada we have much that is WORTH conerving, and hence being an American conservative is a GOOD thing. If you live in Saudi Arabia then being a conservative is a bad thing, due to what you are conserving.

It's context-sensitive.

What Saudi Arabia needs right now are revolutionaries and progressives, not conservatives.

OMG, thanks, Canuck! I was always confused on that, too. Your explanation makes a helluva lot of sense!

Turning Oil into Salt in National Review:

There is no reasonable way that we can leave oil in place as the near-exclusive fuel for the world’s transportation systems and simultaneously wall ourselves off from the world oil market. If we want to end dependence on the whims of OPEC’s despots, the substantial instabilities of the Middle East, and the indignity of paying for both sides in the War on Terror, we must define oil “independence” sensibly — as doing whatever is necessary to avoid oil’s being the instrument of despotic leverage and foreign chaos.

Those who won our independence as a nation didn’t just fling imported tea into Boston harbor — they did whatever was necessary to wrest themselves from British control. We need not call out the Minutemen, but to avoid the consequences of dependence we must become independent — not just of imported oil, but of oil itself.

Does this mean that we cannot use oil or import any? Of course not. Oil is a useful commodity that can readily transport energy long distances. It already has competition from natural gas in industry and from gas and electricity for heating. But in transportation it brooks no competition — it is thus not just a commodity but a strategic commodity. Oil’s monopoly on transportation gives intolerable power to OPEC and the nations that dominate oil ownership and production. This monopoly must be broken. To tell us that in following this path we are doing a “disservice to the nation” and should resign ourselves to oil dependence is like telling us we should not urge an alcoholic to stop drinking, but should rather impress upon him the health advantages of red wine.

Not long ago, technology broke the power of another strategic commodity. Until around the end of the nineteenth century salt had such a position because it was the only means of preserving meat. Odd as it seems today, salt mines conferred national power and wars were even fought over control of them.

Today, no nation sways history because it has salt mines. Salt is still a useful commodity for a range of purposes. We import some salt, so if one defines independence as autarky we are not “salt independent”. But to most of us there is no “salt dependence” problem at all — because electricity and refrigeration decisively ended salt’s monopoly of meat preservation, and thus its strategic importance.

We can and must do the same thing to oil. By moving toward utilizing the batteries that have been developed for modern electronics we can rather soon have “plug-in hybrids” that travel 20-40 miles on an inexpensive charge of night-time off-peak electricity at a small fraction of gasoline’s cost. (After driving that distance plug-ins keep going as ordinary hybrids.) Dozens of ordinary hybrids converted to plug-ins now on the road are getting in the range of 100 mpg of gasoline. And millions of flexible-fuel vehicles are also now in the fleet. Producing them adds costs well under $100 and they can use up to 85-percent ethanol (before long to be made from biomass rather than corn) — methanol, butanol, and other alternative fuels produced from grasses and even waste. [AND COAL]

SET AMERICA FREE from dependence on Muslim oil.

One more thing, here is an article about Canada's tar sands Can Canadian sands replace Arabia's?

A modest suggestion: Saudis are morally superior to us filthy infidels--they certainly spend enough time saying this. Okay, fine. Then don't those oh-so-pure Saudis need to be protected from the evils of Western society? Let's pass laws throughout the Western world requiring that Saudis can only leave their homes accompanied by a non-Muslim--a Christian would be fine, a Jew better, and a Hindu or Buddhist or animist best of all. If a Saudi were to venture out alone and were to be robbed or assaulted, we would of course catch and punish the criminals. But we would also subject the Saudi to 200 lashes. Or maybe 600 because we wouldn't want Muslims to have any doubt of how much we appreciate their infinitely superior Sharia Law.

The 90 lashes had indeed struck as surprisingly leniant at the time. It's reassuring to see the Saudis back to true form.
/sarcasm off

Is it insane to wonder how far backward the civilized world will bend to appease these inbred misanthorpes before our compunctions are overcome and we simply go and seize the Saudi oil fields?

Almost on a whim, I decided to check NOW's site for something on this.

They do not have anything about this specific incident, but they do make a more-or-less consistent series of periodic "overall" condemnation of things happening to women in Islamofascist countries.

Here's 2 at random (because they came up under the word search):

[Link: www.now.org...]
[Link: www.now.org...]

My guess is that they know their say-so isn't going to do any good, but that they have to at least say something. However, I can't see where it would cost them that much to make more noises at more specifically appropriate times.

(Oh, an 3cb; I can tell from the aggregate of your posts that you were disgusted, but I have to agree w/those who said that your very very post did sound like you were trying to say "oh, it's not all that bad." Maybe you were trying to make us feel better about her being beaten? I think we should all remember that a text medium is not always the most efficient way of sharing thoughts)

Then there's Dubai and the gang rape of a French tourist teenage boy where they too tried to blame the victim and threatened him with jail on charges of homosexuality (no such thing as male rape in Dubai): [Link: www.ordoesitexplode.com...]

Back to this article, though, the last line notes the Saudi woman is a Shiite. I am curious to follow up on that point.

Disgusting.
What else is there to say about this.
Makes me want to bang my head up against a wall.

Where is the condemnation from womens groups?
She was doubly punished for speaking out about it, the Saudis can't stand a woman who has an opinion.
I condem it wholeheartedly.
A Pox on them.

Speaking of our friends the Saudi's:

Article from Reuters on 11/16/2007

Riyadh is boom town as Saudis enjoy oil bonanza

Was pleased to hear even the BBC (radio 4 night program) covered this story in some detail, with sincere horror and disgust in the voice of the anchor. The light is penetrating even the darker mental veils, for a while.

And more:

"Barring the lawyer from representing the victim in court is almost equivalent to the rape crime itself," said Fawzeyah al-Oyouni, founding member of the newly formed Saudi Association for the Defense of Women's Rights.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]