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A One-Year Old Bomb in Pakistan

Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 6:37:53 pm PST

In an effort to get close enough to murder Benazir Bhutto, one of the Islamist attackers reportedly strapped his explosives to a one-year old infant.

Meanwhile, horrifying new details emerged last night of the attempt by suicide bombers to kill Ms Bhutto on her return home from exile last month.

Investigators from Ms Bhutto’s Pakistan People’s Party said yesterday they believed the bomb, which killed 170 people and left hundreds more wounded, was strapped to a one-year-old child carried by its jihadist father.

They said the suicide bomber tried repeatedly to carry the baby to Ms Bhutto’s vehicle as she drove in a late-night cavalcade through the streets of Karachi.

“At the point where the bombs exploded, Benazir Bhutto herself saw the man with the child and asked him to come closer so that she could hug or kiss the infant,” investigators were reported as saying. “But someone came in between and a guard felt that the man with the child was not behaving normally. So the child was not allowed to come aboard Benazir’s vehicle.”

Ms Bhutto is said to have told investigators she recalls the face of the man who was carrying the infant. She has asked to see recordings made by television news channels to try to identify the man.

(Hat tip: JammieWearingFool.)

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:38:56pm
2 psaturn  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:41:15pm

THAT is sickening...

3 Alouette  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:41:15pm
4 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:41:20pm
5 mad_scientist  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:41:23pm

There are no words for this........

6 Mirage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:41:55pm

Disgusting, repulsive and sadly not unexpected.

7 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:42:25pm
8 USA  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:43:03pm

One Islamofascist mother to another: "Children today. How soon they blow up!"

9 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:43:37pm

PURE EVIL!

10 mad_scientist  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:44:25pm

re: #8 USA

One Islamofascist mother to another: "Children today. How soon they blow up!"

No offense, but this is bad timing for an attempt at humor with this story.......

11 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:44:57pm

Self deleted.

And in all the history I have read, I have never come across anything as evil as this.

The reckoning for it will be awful

12 sbvft contributor  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:45:10pm

Weren't they strapping explosives to Down's Syndrome kids in Iraq not too long ago? Nothing surprises me with these savages anymore.

13 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:45:11pm
14 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:45:18pm

A one-year-old should be taking their first steps.

Saying their first word.

Smiling a smile still missing some teeth.

Getting measured for their first pair of Stride Rites.

Staring confused at a cake on their plate and all the grown-ups with cameras.

15 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:45:24pm
16 Confuzed  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:45:33pm

Like women who want to bring down planes with explosives hidden in baby prams, and formula.

Afghans strapping bombs to 5-year olds and having them walk up to soldiers.

Putting bombs on handicapped children and BOOOM.

The depravity of iSlam never ceases to amaze.

17 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:45:48pm

re: #5 mad_scientist

There are:

Islam

Delenda

Est

18 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:45:57pm

re: #8 USA

Hehe. Too soon though you should have waited till comment 200 on this thread if at all.

19 gop_patriot  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:46:33pm
Ms Bhutto is said to have told investigators she recalls the face of the man who was carrying the infant. She has asked to see recordings made by television news channels to try to identify the man.

Maybe if they can ID the father, they can ID the mother or other family members. I wonder if the mom was in on this sick plan.

20 Racer X  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:46:56pm

re: #8 USA

One Islamofascist mother to another: "Children today. How soon they blow up!"

No.

They are murdered by evil, evil cult members.

21 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:47:04pm
22 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:47:25pm

They were planning that she would allow a baby to come near.

The were counting on her humanity, when they themselves have none.

23 Julio Jurenito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:47:31pm

So this is what they mean by population explosion....

24 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:48:07pm
25 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:48:17pm

I call down brimstone on these people.

26 Andy Dufresne  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:48:29pm

Charles, that right there encapsulates every thing that all of the articles posted on LGF and many of the comments try to say. These nuts will do anything, cross any line, kill anyone, to feed their insanity. That is so messed up, I'm almost speechless. Sadly, I'm not at all surprised.

27 Racer X  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:48:50pm

Sick MF'ers

28 David Simon  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:49:22pm

Monstrous. Subhuman. What kind of sick, depraved creature could do such a thing?

29 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:49:31pm

re: #19 gop_patriot

Chances are the dad is hamburger and splatter by now

30 varmint  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:49:33pm

baby boy or baby girl?


i'm sure justification can be found in the koran.

31 Mirage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:50:06pm

re: #23 Julio Jurenito

Some really need to pause once, twice, three times, then as long as necessary before hitting "post this comment". Very bad timing.

32 carefulnow  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:50:14pm

re: #22 Silhouette
That is profoundly true.

33 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:50:15pm

Father.

I guess that word, like many others, means something different to them than it does to me.

34 ciceroskip  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:50:23pm

re: #4 savage_nation
I think I am going to loose my dinner

35 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:50:58pm
36 David Simon  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:51:24pm

re: #8 USA

You're making jokes? That's you're first reaction to this?

37 Racer X  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:52:12pm

Dear Allah:

Is there a point to be made here?

38 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:52:24pm
39 Wisenheimer  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:52:38pm

Further evidence for the existence of Satan. Is a mere human capable of such depravity?

40 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:52:54pm

re: #33 Silhouette

The child could have been stolen, and the 'adult' SOB not the father. I would at least like to believe that.

41 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:53:16pm

Moloch smiled.

42 mad_scientist  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:53:16pm

re: #31 Mirage

re: #23 Julio Jurenito

Some really need to pause once, twice, three times, then as long as necessary before hitting "post this comment". Very bad timing.

agreed

43 Capt_Faust  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:53:28pm

Savages...

Yet in the eyes of the American Left, I am the ignorant Neanderthal...

And they want me to talk to people like this...

Start a discourse...


ARE YOU F***ING KIDDING ME?

/ Today is my official LGF swearing day...

44 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:53:45pm

It's hard to get one's mind around this. Evil is the only word for it; radical, absolute, evil.

Where are the celebrities? Where's Oprah? Where's Sean Pean? Where's Cindy Sheehan? Where is the indignation? Huh? Where?

Every presidential candidate should be asked what they think about this.

This should be broadcast everywhere.

45 gop_patriot  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:53:56pm

re: #29 Ojoe

re: #19 gop_patriot

Chances are the dad is hamburger and splatter by now

Ick. Yeah, I was just referring to Bhutto wanting to see the video to see if they could identify the father... if they can, then maybe they'll be able to find the rest of the family and deal with them..?

46 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:54:21pm
47 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:54:40pm

re: #44 Lucius Septimius

Where is GWB to retract his mistaken 'religion of peace' comment?

48 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:54:57pm
49 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:54:58pm

No the left would blame this on Bhutto, I remember some stupid reporter asking her if she felt responsible for those peoples deaths when she came back.

50 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:55:01pm
But someone came in between and a guard felt that the man with the child was not behaving normally.

Someone listened to their instincts.

51 Wisenheimer  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:55:07pm

Michael Moore must be really proud of his "Freedom Fighter."

52 Capt_Faust  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:55:15pm

re: #44 Lucius Septimius

Busy blaming Bush and Rove...

And sitting around on their fat candy asses ignoring the main reason for such barbarisms...

53 Mirage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:55:15pm

re: #7 savage_nation

re: #6 Mirage


Disgusting, repulsive and sadly not unexpected.

I never expected this, nope!

This wouldn't the first time suiciders have used ths innocent to carry out heinous acts. I doubt it'll be the last, too.

54 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:55:20pm
55 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:55:40pm

re: #47 Ojoe

re: #44 Lucius Septimius

Where is GWB to retract his mistaken 'religion of peace' comment?

Good question. Well GWB?

56 Anna  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:55:47pm

For the children's sake, kill these evil monsters PDQ.

57 Irish Rose  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:55:56pm

re: #34 ciceroskip

re: #4 savage_nation
I think I am going to loose my dinner


That makes two of us.

58 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:56:48pm

I have no doubt a terrorist would use a baby as a bomb; killing civilians is what terrorists is all about. In this case, though, I've got to say the evidence is pretty thin -- a hunch, really, if that.

I'm not sure it matters, ultimately. The bomber killed scores of innocent people, so he or she pretty well pegged out the evil met

59 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:56:50pm

I don't disbelieve the story, but from what i remember of the video of the bomb it was pretty big. More like a car bomb.

60 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:57:03pm

"meter," even.

61 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:57:21pm

I have nothing more to say

62 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:57:24pm

There are no words.

63 Capt_Faust  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:57:24pm

I've got to go...

Be safe Lizard army...go easy!

/ I'll say a prayer for us all...

64 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:58:08pm
65 David Simon  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:58:19pm

re: #23 Julio Jurenito

Oh great, another asshole.

66 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:58:26pm

Thanks for the HT, Charles.

67 Mirage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:58:52pm

re: #53 Mirage

Bleh ... p.i.m.f.

... used the innocent ...

68 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:59:03pm
69 Shaky Louie  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:59:08pm

This Child is now in the Loving arms of The Father.
Where God will wipe away all tears...neither shall there be any suffering...

70 mad_scientist  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:59:19pm

re: #46 savage_nation

I hope and pray that little child is in the hands of God, not Allah.

The child is in God's hands. He had no choice in the matter, he was just born into a world filled with evil and rage....and may the father who commited this atrocity be boiling in the deepest, hottest parts of hell.......

71 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 6:59:19pm

I agree that this was worth its own thread. One again, here are links for reading more and digging the story along the way:

Digg: PakTribune

Digg: Thaindian Tribune

72 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:00:21pm
73 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:01:18pm

Geez. "...what terrorism is all about."

No more tryptophan for me...

74 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:01:22pm
75 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:01:54pm
76 Bearster  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:02:07pm

On 9/12, they sneered at us: "We will beat you because you love life and we love death."

This is a grim reminder.

77 USA  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:02:14pm

Anyone surprised by this is naive about the character of the enemy we face.

On a moral basis, as affects the child (not the other victims), I don't see any difference between this and partial birth abortions. And only a slight difference, one not worth debating, between this and the "pro choice" movement in this country.

It is subhuman. And I reserve the right to hold up to ridicule --early in the thread -- any culture that participates in it.

78 varmint  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:02:37pm

toon


sad that this is relevant again

79 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:02:44pm

Oops, that PakTribune link went directly to the story. This one goes via digg.

80 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:03:20pm
81 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:05:06pm

Quick someone give this guy a lawyer and read him his rights.
/Moonbat

82 Deadly sheep  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:06:32pm

re: #77 USA

The only surprise is that Israel hasn't already experienced this .(to the best of my knowledge) For that much, I am grateful.

83 Richard Romano  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:07:19pm

"Let's negotiate with them" -- you naive leftist fools...negotiate with such types who have NO regard for human life, even life at its most innocent? How!?!?

84 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:07:30pm

re: #79 Last Mohican

Oops, that PakTribune link went directly to the story. This one goes via digg.

Fee free to digg my version as well.


#59:

I don't disbelieve the story, but from what i remember of the video of the bomb it was pretty big. More like a car bomb.

There were bombs strapped to the baby, as well as another bomber, IIRC.

85 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:07:50pm

re: #77 USA

On a moral basis, as affects the child (not the other victims), I don't see any difference between this and partial birth abortions.

I do.

And only a slight difference, one not worth debating, between this and the "pro choice" movement in this country.

Does anyone really think this way? Really?

86 USA  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:08:14pm

re: #82 Deadly sheep

re: #77 USA

The only surprise is that Israel hasn't already experienced this .(to the best of my knowledge) For that much, I am grateful.

Isn't it close to the ambulances with the pregnant mother/bomb?

87 Bearster  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:08:19pm

re: #77 USA

On a moral basis ... I don't see any difference between this and partial birth abortions. And only a slight difference, one not worth debating, between this and the "pro choice" movement in this country.

Please, let's leave the moral equivalence game to the professional media, OK?

88 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:08:21pm

re: #80 taxfreekiller

Absolutely. I can hear them now: (shrieking) "Well, I don't know how you can be outraged when American soldiers are killing millions of babies every day! They are desperate! They have no weapons to fight back with against the imperialist oppressors! They have no choice! If you really cared about babies being killed you'd end the war right now!"

Etc. Etc.

BTW, notice a similar sort of rhetoric recently?

"We're deperate! We have no weapons to fight back with against our enemies! We have no choice! If you really cared, you'd do what we want right now."

Hmmm.

89 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:08:40pm

This story may or may not be true, but leftists and media types who defend the jihadis should remember that the Michael Moore freedom fighters definitely used a 13 year-old mentally handicapped boy to carry a suicide bomb on the day of the first Iraqi election.
There are many, many more examples of the totally innocent being used as a depraved method of neutralizing security measures.

The enablers and apologists are as guilty as the perpetrators.

90 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:09:21pm

In the twisted mind of the Islamist, this unspeakable act of pure evil happened because Allah willed it to happen.

91 Thanos  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:09:28pm

There's a whole cult, mostly in Karachi, that just worships the intifada. I'm serious, every couple months they parade their kids in Paleo gear. If you go back and look at some of the Lal Masjid video you will also see a small boy child dressed in sui-vest among the stormcrows in ninja-bags.

92 mean Gene  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:09:31pm

re: #12 sbvft contributor

It was during one of the very first elections in Iraq.
A teenage boy with Down's Syndrome was lured away from his family with goodies, packed with explosives and remotely detonated as he walked by a line of voters waiting to cast their ballots.
Oddly, this cruelty was overshadowed by the use, during that same election, of a donkey packed with explosives and detonated near voters.

PETA was bereft. About the donkey.

93 FrogMarch  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:10:27pm

I can't add anything that hasn't already been said other than - how depressing.


I'm sure the Hilary Clinton fawning press will be all over this story. Not.

94 njdhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:10:29pm

This is the most disturbing thing I have read so far. The MSM will no doubt ignore this to make room for Bush bashing stories and gloomy stories about Iraq.

The world is upside down.

95 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:10:40pm

I am so pissed off

Try to get pics of anything that you search with "bible" "torah" "Jew" "Christian" Moslem.. everything comes back to [Link: www.flickr.com.....]

Who in the hell owns this site? Whoever it is owns just about all photographs on the world wide web, which Algore invented!

I demand an inquisition into Algore.

/On second thought... no.

96 USA  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:10:55pm

re: #87 Bearster

re: #77 USA

On a moral basis ... I don't see any difference between this and partial birth abortions. And only a slight difference, one not worth debating, between this and the "pro choice" movement in this country.


Please, let's leave the moral equivalence game to the professional media, OK?

What makes you think I'm not a professional? Putting a sharp object through a skull to suction out the brain isn't as bad to the baby?

97 Morganfrost  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:11:20pm

Some of the lower orders of animals actually outrank these people in terms of childcare.

What a vile, cruel, disgusting, murderous, nasty, foul, evil, horriffic, monstrous, wicked, base, depraved, bestial... help-- I'm running out of adjectives for this man and his belief system, yet I feel I've just barely scratched the surface!

98 Thanos  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:11:24pm

re: #58 Cognito
As said last thread, I read this earlier in the week in other Paki papers. No proof, but what would be left?

99 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:11:33pm

re: #46 savage_nation

I hope and pray that little child is in the hands of God, not Allah.

I'm starting to tear up here. Savage. OF COURSE HE'S WITH GOD.

Dagnabit. How can you even ask that?

100 mad_scientist  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:12:32pm

re: #77 USA

Anyone surprised by this is naive about the character of the enemy we face.

On a moral basis, as affects the child (not the other victims), I don't see any difference between this and partial birth abortions. And only a slight difference, one not worth debating, between this and the "pro choice" movement in this country.

It is subhuman. And I reserve the right to hold up to ridicule --early in the thread -- any culture that participates in it.

You have every right to do so my friend, and those of us who thought it was in bad taste have every right to feel that way as well. So let us drop it.

Also, from what I understand, the abortion topic is not really debated to much around these parts, no matter what side of the fence you are on.....leads to some nasty threads....just fyi.....

101 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:12:52pm

re: #88 Lucius Septimius

re: #80 taxfreekiller

Absolutely. I can hear them now: (shrieking) "Well, I don't know how you can be outraged when American soldiers are killing millions of babies every day! They are desperate! They have no weapons to fight back with against the imperialist oppressors! They have no choice! If you really cared about babies being killed you'd end the war right now!"

Etc. Etc.

BTW, notice a similar sort of rhetoric recently?

"We're deperate! We have no weapons to fight back with against our enemies! We have no choice! If you really cared, you'd do what we want right now."

Hmmm.

I guess they are in favor of water-boarding and torture then. "Hey, we're desperate. We don't have the media culture to bend the minds of OUR enemies, so we have to use other methods!"

102 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:13:30pm

re: #58 Cognito

Are you Ramsey Clark's son? George Galloway's nephew?

103 Racer X  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:13:46pm

re: #96 USA

Oh ferfuckssake. Do we have to have this argument now?

104 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:14:33pm

re: #68 taxfreekiller

Ever more dislike-able you are.
C

Sometimes the GAZE function doesn't quite work.

105 njdhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:14:38pm

OT:

Koskidz have a Noam Chomsky video up. I have dial up so I cant watch it. Anyone care to view it and report back?

106 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:15:25pm

re: #101 Shiplord Kirel

Actually I was thinking of some of our ex-friends who adopt a similar rhetorical strategy.

107 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:15:33pm
108 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:15:50pm

I have to believe that someone, somewhere, in the muslim culture is also looking at this event and asking themselves if there is something wrong with a god who would demand this from them.......

109 drogheda  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:16:15pm

re: #100 mad_scientist

Also, from what I understand, the abortion topic is not really debated to much around these parts, no matter what side of the fence you are on.....leads to some nasty threads....just fyi.....

Yeah my understanding is that's really an issue not much discussed here for the reason mad-scientist states.

110 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:16:16pm

re: #96 USA

re: #100 mad_scientist

True, this is not the forum for that debate. I doubt that a single person's opinion about that topic was ever changed based on any online debate. Its turns out to be more of a food fight than a debate. Take it somewhere else.

111 Opinionated  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:16:21pm

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways"

112 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:16:54pm

Even though their 'protectors' commit evil, the children are protected.

Don't give in, folks. Although we may grow weak from the daily feed of propoganda, know this: We will prevail.

Geeze, I need a Hero!

113 mjazzguitar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:16:57pm

re: #12 sbvft contributor Iran at one time was using children as mine sweepers. They gave them plastic keys which would open the gate to heaven. They tried dogs and donkeys for that purpose but the animals ran away upon hearing the explosions. One account had a man with a glowing face on a white steed, like some kind of supernatural imam, urging the children on.

114 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:17:15pm

re: #111 Opinionated

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways"

Does anyone have the exact date for that quote?

115 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:17:17pm

re: #108 mama winger

The God of Abraham specifically said he DIDN'T demand this. That should put to rest the lie that they worship the same God that Jews and Christians do.

116 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:17:34pm
117 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:17:54pm

re: #96 USA

re: #87 Bearster

re: #77 USA

On a moral basis ... I don't see any difference between this and partial birth abortions. And only a slight difference, one not worth debating, between this and the "pro choice" movement in this country.


Please, let's leave the moral equivalence game to the professional media, OK?

What makes you think I'm not a professional? Putting a sharp object through a skull to suction out the brain isn't as bad to the baby?

Repugnant as that may be, there is a difference between that and strapping bombs to a baby and murdering scores of others.

This is not the place for that agenda.

118 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:18:03pm

re: #115 Lucius Septimius

re: #108 mama winger

The God of Abraham specifically said he DIDN'T demand this. That should put to rest the lie that they worship the same God that Jews and Christians do.

Yes. It should.

119 Bearster  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:18:10pm

re: #96 USA


Putting a sharp object through a skull to suction out the brain isn't as bad to the baby?

I don't think this is an appropriate forum to debate abortion.

120 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:18:12pm

re: #108 mama winger

I have to believe that someone, somewhere, in the muslim culture is also looking at this event and asking themselves if there is something wrong with a god who would demand this from them.......


Winger, I believe you are correct. Women of islam are enslaved. Help free them. Now.

121 Dekar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:18:29pm

Pure evil

122 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:18:51pm

re: #82 Deadly sheep

re: #77 USA

The only surprise is that Israel hasn't already experienced this .(to the best of my knowledge) For that much, I am grateful.

American forces in Iraq have. I read a blog post from an American soldier in Iraq, who reported an incident in which a scared-looking young boy (about six years old, I think) approached a US Army humvee carrying what appeared to be a six-pack of coke bottles in one hand, and a cellphone-like device in the other hand. The humvee's nervous gunner, following procedure, trained his machine gun on the boy, and repeatedly yelled at him to back off. But he just kept standing there, nervously looking off into the bushes somewhere. Finally the boy broke down crying, dropped the stuff he was carrying, and ran away. EOD was called in, and confirmed that the coke bottles were in fact a bomb. The boy had been ordered to blow himself up next to the humvee, but he chickened out at the last minute.

I wish I could link to that post, but the blog appears to be gone. I'm really glad that the kid in that story didn't get blown to bits like the baby in Pakistan. But I'm sure that neither he nor the soldier who almost killed him will ever be the same after that incident.

123 Opinionated  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:19:15pm

re: #114 mama winger

re: #111 Opinionated

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways"
Does anyone have the exact date for that quote?

October 25, 2005

124 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:19:46pm
125 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:20:28pm

re: #118 mama winger

Baal Hadad's altars reeked with the blood of slaughtered children. His modern-day devotees have only adopted new methods.

126 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:20:48pm

re: #120 Allah al Fubar

Women of islam are enslaved. Help free them. Now.

Sometimes I feel so pitifully helpless, here behind my keyboard. I support some missionaries to the muslim world, thru the Voice of the Martyrs. I want to do more. does anybody have some ideas ?

127 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:20:49pm
128 AZfederalist  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:21:04pm

Pure, absolute evil.

"... and the detestable practice of making their children to pass through the fire ..."

/Old Testament times are once again upon us

129 Deadly sheep  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:21:35pm

re: #86 USA

Yup. Wasn't long ago there was a story about a little fellow someone strapped a bomb-vest to in Iraq.

I believe we'll be seeing more of this. Sick!

130 njdhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:21:37pm

re: #117 JammieWearingFool

Repugnant as that may be, there is a difference between that and strapping bombs to a baby and murdering scores of others.

Not to mention doing it in the name of God. This is a very sick evil 'religion'.

131 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:21:46pm

re: #124 song_and_dance_man

re: #117 JammieWearingFool

We are thinking along the same line. Kudos.

Thanks. We're not alone in failing to see the equivalence.

132 mad_scientist  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:22:01pm

It is a Mad World out there.....

133 jrausta  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:22:07pm

And there's a mother/wife out there who believes her barbaric husband did the right thing for himself and their child.

134 Carridine  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:22:08pm

re: #108 mama winger

I have to believe that someone, somewhere, in the muslim culture is also looking at this event and asking themselves if there is something wrong with a god who would demand this from them.......

Millions share your hopeful belief, Mama Winger!

We cannot kill them all, no matter how vile some of them have become at the urging and teaching of their clergy.

The overwhelming majority of humankind, Muslim and Christian and Hindu and Buddhist alike, WANT to act in good and humane ways, and pray daily for the Coming of The Promised One.

/would that we were allowed to tell them of His Coming...

135 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:22:13pm
137 DistantThunder  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:22:55pm

There would be more outrage in the West if the bomb was strapped to a puppy or kitty. ...and you know I'm right on this.

After Beslan, NOTHING surprises me.

138 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:22:57pm

I can't find enough words to condemn the deliberate use of a baby to disguise a bomb.
So I'll deflect into talking about people here in this country who have chosen to find excuses for any behavior if it can be cast in terms of fighting against 'the power' of the US.

Daniel Pipes reviews an interesting book about the genesis of today's left...

Camelot and the Cultural Revolution
How the Assassination of John F. Kennedy Shattered American Liberalism


Kennedy's assassination profoundly affected liberalism, Piereson explains, because Oswald, a New Left-style communist, murdered Kennedy to protect Fidel Castro's rule in Cuba from the president who, during the Cuban missile crisis of 1962, brandished America's military card. Kennedy, in brief, died because he was so tough in the cold war. Liberals resisted this fact because it contradicted their belief system and, instead, presented Kennedy as a victim of the radical right and a martyr for liberal causes.
....
With Oswald nearly deleted from the narrative, or even turned into a scapegoat, the ruling establishment – Johnson, Jacqueline Kennedy, J. Edgar Hoover, and many others – proceeded to take a second, astonishing step. They blamed the assassination not on Oswald the communist but on the American people, and the radical right in particular, accusing them of killing Kennedy for his being too soft in the cold war or too accommodating to civil rights for American blacks.
....
Viewing the United States as crass, violent, racist, and militarist shifted liberalism's focus from economics to cultural issues (racism, feminism, sexual freedom, gay rights). This change helped spawn the countercultural movement of the late 1960s; more lastingly, it fed a "residue of ambivalence" about the worth of traditional American institutions and the validity of deploying U.S. military power that 44 years later remains liberalism's general outlook.

[Link: www.encounterbooks.com...]


[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

139 kynna  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:23:14pm

I don't know why this punches me in the gut every time. Remember the downs syndrome kid they strapped a bomb to in Iraq in an effort to disrupt one of the elections? There are so many stories like this. Using children as human shields, all those photos of kids with their 'toy guns' in the Pali parades, children raised from birth to be jihadis -- full of hate, honor killings, rape victims punished as criminals, stonings, the sentencing of gang rape for the crime of 'disrespect', girls being locked in a burning building rather than allowing them to escape without their faces covered. It goes on and on and on and on.

But every time I am still shocked and heart broken.

When will the civilized world realize the extent of the evil it faces?

140 peck  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:23:26pm

re: #14 Silhouette

....and being smothered day and night with hugs and kisses and adoring gazes from loving parents.

The sadness is almost unbearable.

141 DistantThunder  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:23:56pm

re: #127 savage_nation

re: #119 Bearster

re: #96 USA


Putting a sharp object through a skull to suction out the brain isn't as bad to the baby?

I don't think this is an appropriate forum to debate abortion.

Yep. Keep the abortion topic on another thread.

Folks, this is MASS MURDER on another scale.

It's always appropriate to talk about the lack of respect of human life including abortion when talking about the deliberate murder of children.

142 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:24:02pm

re: #126 mama winger

re: #120 Allah al Fubar


Women of islam are enslaved. Help free them. Now.

Sometimes I feel so pitifully helpless, here behind my keyboard. I support some missionaries to the muslim world, thru the Voice of the Martyrs. I want to do more. does anybody have some ideas ?

Yes: Amnesty from Apostacy. Free the women, and you will collapse the cult.

143 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:24:45pm

re: #138 jaunte

My Lovely Bride sent me that earlier today -- I've been eying the book for a while from the ad in Commentary. I might just have to get it. I think the argument is basically correct; of course it also shows what a bunch of pathetic, reality-denying, liars the left really is.

144 Dead Sea Squirrel  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:24:55pm

Using a baby to get the bomb closer to target. Another reminder: they have chosen to weaponize our compassion, our belief in common decency.

145 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:24:55pm

re: #134 Carridine

You and I share the belief that God is good, and wants the best for his children. There is no way that islam leads to the best. This has to be self-evident, and I hope that in the discovering of that fact, there is a way out for those who wish to find it.

146 DistantThunder  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:25:28pm

re: #139 kynna

I don't know why this punches me in the gut every time. Remember the downs syndrome kid they strapped a bomb to in Iraq in an effort to disrupt one of the elections? There are so many stories like this. Using children as human shields, all those photos of kids with their 'toy guns' in the Pali parades, children raised from birth to be jihadis -- full of hate, honor killings, rape victims punished as criminals, stonings, the sentencing of gang rape for the crime of 'disrespect', girls being locked in a burning building rather than allowing them to escape without their faces covered. It goes on and on and on and on.

But every time I am still shocked and heart broken.

When will the civilized world realize the extent of the evil it faces?

Even Saddam was shocked when Iran used hundreds of thousands of children as fodder in the Iran-Iraq war.

147 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:25:33pm

re: #130 njdhockeyfan

re: #117 JammieWearingFool


Repugnant as that may be, there is a difference between that and strapping bombs to a baby and murdering scores of others.

Not to mention doing it in the name of God. BAAL This is a very sick evil 'religion'.
148 Thanos  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:25:39pm

re: #138 jaunte
Pretty much agree with that -- all the conspiracy theorizing was the sixties version of "fire can't melt steel".

149 Carridine  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:25:42pm

re: #145 mama winger

Ma'am, YES Ma'am.

150 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:25:49pm

re: #142 Allah al Fubar

Free the women, and you will collapse the cult.

I agree. Once the slaves are freed, the masters will have to shut down the plantations.

151 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:26:45pm

re: #14 Silhouette

"Sil" -

Agreed - HOW-EVER - that is in the "World" we know. I will say NO MORE at this time.

-S-

152 Orde  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:26:46pm

re: #126 mama winger

re: #120 Allah al Fubar

Women of islam are enslaved. Help free them. Now.

Sometimes I feel so pitifully helpless, here behind my keyboard. I support some missionaries to the muslim world, thru the Voice of the Martyrs. I want to do more. does anybody have some ideas ?

Arab World Ministries

153 Racer X  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:26:48pm

gonna go hug my kid.

154 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:26:59pm

re: #102 MandyManners

re: #58 Cognito

Are you Ramsey Clark's son? George Galloway's nephew?

Eh? Which part of my post do you disagree with, exactly? I'll reprint here:

I have no doubt a terrorist would use a baby as a bomb; killing civilians is what terroris[m] is all about. In this case, though, I've got to say the evidence is pretty thin -- a hunch, really, if that.

I'm not sure it matters, ultimately. The bomber killed scores of innocent people, so he or she pretty well pegged out the evil meter.

Please do be specific, instead of just using the 'bold' function and curse words like 'Galloway.'

155 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:27:00pm
156 Gordon Marock  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:27:05pm

It is hard to measure which is more cruel, snuffing out the future hopes and dreams of an infant in a blast of C4, or smothering the hopes and dreams of a child over 18 years by programming them to have hate and blood lust as their only emotions.

157 Thanos  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:27:54pm

In one way, they are like our critics on the hard right. They think mistake our open-eyed compassion for weakness when in truth it's the strength in all of us.

158 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:28:10pm
159 AZfederalist  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:28:10pm

re: #126 mama winger

Sometimes I feel so pitifully helpless, here behind my keyboard. I support some missionaries to the muslim world, thru the Voice of the Martyrs. I want to do more. does anybody have some ideas ?

You are doing something. If there is more for you to do, that path will also become apparent. We are called upon to witness to others one on one, it would be nice to have a sudden, world-enlightening event, but He doesn't work that way.

160 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:28:14pm

re: #150 mama winger

re: #142 Allah al Fubar

Free the women, and you will collapse the cult.

I agree. Once the slaves are freed, the masters will have to shut down the plantations.

I wonder what would happen if every conservative household in America would be willing to open it's door to a mother and her daughters from the Arab world, offer them a promise of freedom if they desired it, introducing them to a world in which they had value as human beings, and had no reason to hide in a bag in the shadow of the lash and the gallows?

161 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:28:21pm

re: #152 Orde


Arab World Ministries


Thank you! I will certainly take a look at them!

162 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:28:30pm

Wait a second can you guys answer me a question? For a religion that mandates stonings for adultry what the hell does this mandate? Oh wait a minute I can answer that 72 virgins in heaven.

163 Bearster  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:28:53pm

re: #141 DistantThunder


It's always appropriate to talk about the lack of respect of human life including abortion when talking about the deliberate murder of children.

Please take your divisiveness somewhere else!

164 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:29:14pm

re: #159 AZfederalist

Join the US military.

165 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:29:32pm
166 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:29:35pm

re: #158 song_and_dance_man

I hate to bring it up, but remember the roasted child as a meal.

Behold the face of Islam.

That was fairly apparently the Middle Eastern equivalent of an urban legend.

167 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:30:00pm

Free the women of islam and you will collapse the empire.

Declare Amnesty from Apostacy for all moslems, especially women. Protect them, shelter them, foster them, and above all save their children. Trust me... if there was a way for these women to run, they'd not trot... they would sprint. With children in tow.

Free the women of islam and you will collapse the islamic empire. They need to feel protected and need to know that they would not be killed.

If they had even an inch of reassurance, they'd leave in droves.

168 Orde  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:30:07pm

re: #120 Allah al Fubar

"Women of Islam are enslaved."

Leading Iranian Feminist Arrested

169 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:30:25pm

re: #160 Lucius Septimius

re: #150 mama winger

re: #142 Allah al Fubar

Free the women, and you will collapse the cult.

I agree. Once the slaves are freed, the masters will have to shut down the plantations.

I wonder what would happen if every conservative household in America would be willing to open it's door to a mother and her daughters from the Arab world, offer them a promise of freedom if they desired it, introducing them to a world in which they had value as human beings, and had no reason to hide in a bag in the shadow of the lash and the gallows?

Sometimes I see a woman in a burka in the grocery store, and I get this urge to run up to her and tell her to come with me! - this is America ! - she doesn't have to live like this!

But I say nothing, and put my eggs and milk in the basket and go on my way. I feel like such a coward sometimes.

170 USA  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:30:27pm

re: #163 Bearster

re: #141 DistantThunder


It's always appropriate to talk about the lack of respect of human life including abortion when talking about the deliberate murder of children.
Please take your divisiveness somewhere else!

I didn't know conformity was the coin of the relm.

171 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:30:37pm

re: #143 Lucius Septimius

re: #138 jaunte

My Lovely Bride sent me that earlier today -- I've been eying the book for a while from the ad in Commentary. I might just have to get it. I think the argument is basically correct; of course it also shows what a bunch of pathetic, reality-denying, liars the left really is.

I had to speak sharply to one of my co-workers today who trotted out an unthinking line about the country getting 'more repressive'; when I pressed him for specifics, he retreated to talking of he prisoners in Guantanamo, and when I explained the legal status of combatants not in uniform he had nowhere to go.
If he had been a stranger, I suppose he would have started yelling.

All reason aside, the reflex is close to the surface among many here, after long years of habit, to put all responsibility for events in the world on the US.

172 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:30:54pm

I just my one year daughter to bed.

[deleted]

Charles may would ban me it I posted my thoughts, heck I should ban my self for thinking them.

173 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:30:56pm
174 DistantThunder  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:31:06pm

Speaking of abortion, it turns out that the pill, as contraceptive has a 70% failure rate among cohabitating teenagers. 7 in 10 will become pregnant in a year. Nearly similar abysmal statistics for condom use with cohabitating teenagers.

But Planned Parenthood uses statistics that are averaged in with contraceptive use by married middle class women who have very low rates of pregnancy, hence Planned Parenthood use non-applicable statistics when informing teenagers about why it is safe to have sex.

And of course, Planned Parenthood benefits financially by providing abortions to this vulnerable group.

Read the story here - Contraceptive Fraud

175 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:31:25pm

re: #158 song_and_dance_man


That sstory was horrible, and was most likely contrived by an AP or Reuters reporter.

176 Bearster  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:31:25pm

re: #160 Lucius Septimius

Free the women, and you will collapse the cult.
I wonder what would happen if every conservative household in America would be willing to open it's door to a mother and her daughters from the Arab world, offer them a promise of freedom if they desired it, introducing them to a world in which they had value as human beings, and had no reason to hide in a bag in the shadow of the lash and the gallows?

You would have some takers for sure. But I think you might be surprised at how many would refuse your offer.

Most women in islam believe in their death cult.

177 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:31:35pm

Has this story made it to the front page of Newsweek or other lamestream media yet? Probably not, 'cause this is not as outrageous to them as dust particles on a Quran at Club Gitmo. Or this crap, which they try to revive once again:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

178 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:32:30pm

re: #163 Bearster

I don't see it as divisive, I see it as consistency. But as I know Charles has expressed his feelings, I try to hold it down when I can :)

179 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:32:50pm

And yet the liberals don't get upset at this child abuse.
You'd think they'd be massing an army to help all these kids so they don't get blown up or taught to blow themselves up.
Instead, they're making sure all our kids learn "gay pride".

Moral relativism - so what about our morals?

180 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:33:29pm
181 stevieray  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:33:44pm

Events like this are not surprising given the shame/honor culture of most of the Islamic world. Western concepts like guilt and innocence [i.e. the child], right and wrong [i.e the act] are held in lesser esteem than public image and community perception, which are thought the most important values.

In a world based on shame/honor, the sacrifice of an individual becomes an accepted practice in pursuit of the higher aim... family honor. A sacrifice of this magnitude would wash away any shame or dishonor from all members of that family for generations to come. The rewards far exceed the cost in the sick calculus of the shame/honor society.

182 mad_scientist  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:34:18pm

re: #123 Opinionated

re: #114 mama winger


re: #111 Opinionated
"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways"
Does anyone have the exact date for that quote?

October 25, 2005

Who said that? They needed to be asked what are these "benevolent" aspects of Islam they speak of?


I am sick of hearing Islam is Peace........

183 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:34:27pm

re: #175 Allah al Fubar

re: #158 song_and_dance_man


That sstory was horrible, and was most likely contrived by an AP or Reuters reporter.

Reported by Michael Yon, actually. Contrived by this tribal faction or that.

184 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:34:57pm

re: #169 mama winger


I bet she looks at you longingly, doesn't she?

I encounter some moslem women and they always make sure that we make eye contact... I hate it. Because I KNOW that I'm supposed to do something.... it's that look of longing; that look of, "I just want to be like you... free"... that makes me look down at my feet.

Shameful. Shame on me. Lord, show me the way.

185 McNug  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:35:00pm

This story is just horrible.

I think tonight is a good night to call my parents and thank them for everything.

186 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:35:57pm

re: #144 Dead Sea Squirrel

Using a baby to get the bomb closer to target. Another reminder: they have chosen to weaponize our compassion, our belief in common decency.

The Islamofascists rejected the western "rule book" a long time ago. The Laws of Land Warfare(Geneva and Hague Conventions) mean nothing to them.
Except when they can be used against us.

187 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:35:59pm
188 Deadly sheep  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:36:27pm

re: #122 Last Mohican

Yeah, that's another incident. Seems to me there have been few others involving the Iraqi police stations. In these, at least the child survived.

I'm going to go read Winnie-the-Pooh and remember when my children were small. Maybe not, I'd probably cry and get pissed at animals that do this more than I am right now, if that's possible.

189 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:36:36pm
190 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:36:39pm

OT
And guaranteed to improve everyones mood, make it fouler than it already is.

James Vesely / Times editorial page editor
The handoff: Newspapers in the digital age

Here is the money quote:

Media companies, especially newspapers, are by default nearly the lone agents of the democratic form of government.


Here is my response:

Vesely you incredibly arrogant vacuous ignorant prick, you ever read this in your entire patethic excuse of a life.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —


Vesely, you ain't shit, just a second rate paper peddler.

191 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:37:28pm

re: #134 Carridine

Caaridine -

Long time "no talk to you" - OK - for a "Physically Challenged" person in my building today - "i" CREATED THE MIRACLE OF TUNA SALAD and BREAD, and Later the MIRACLE OF MUNSTER CHEESE and BREAD. Does this make me the Messiah? Of course not! We will all know "HE HAS ARRIVED" when G-d gives us the Wisdom to Know. When all that all happens, permanently, - "Kattie Bar the Door!" - And My best to you and yours in Thailand!

-S_

192 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:37:41pm
193 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:38:12pm

re: #190 jcm

Media companies, especially newspapers, are by default nearly the lone agents of the democratic form of government.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

oh that's rich

194 swamprat  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:38:18pm

re: #187 savage_nation

I have but one click to give to this very, very, important post.

195 Thanos  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:38:19pm

argggg.

Christian evangelists in Britain today began a High Court battle for the right to bring a private prosecution for blasphemy over Jerry Springer - The Opera .

Two judges were told the show was "an offensive, spiteful, systematic mockery and wilful denigration of Christian belief" - and a show no one would have dreamed of making about the prophet Muhammad and Islam.

Stephen Green, national director of the evangelical group Christian Voice, was seeking to overturn a refusal by a Magistrates' Court in January to issue a summons to start proceedings against the director-general of the BBC, Mark Thompson, who allowed the controversial show to be screened on BBC2.

Mr Green also wanted to issue a similar summons against the show's producer, Jonathan Thoday, who staged it at the Cambridge Theatre in London's West End and then in a nationwide tour.

Today Michael Gledhill QC, for Mr Green, argued the district magistrate judge erred in law in refusing to issue the summonses as the show had clearly "crossed the blasphemy threshold".

"This is not just about protecting the rights of a section of the Christian population. "It is about protecting the constitution of the nation which is built on the Christian faith," Mr Gledhill said.

Attention : Two wrongs do not make right.

196 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:38:21pm
197 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:39:12pm

re: #176 Bearster

re: #160 Lucius Septimius

Free the women, and you will collapse the cult.

I wonder what would happen if every conservative household in America would be willing to open it's door to a mother and her daughters from the Arab world, offer them a promise of freedom if they desired it, introducing them to a world in which they had value as human beings, and had no reason to hide in a bag in the shadow of the lash and the gallows?

You would have some takers for sure. But I think you might be surprised at how many would refuse your offer.

Most women in islam believe in their death cult.


Those born into it desire to leave. The 'reverts' are the joiners and want to stay. If you offer Amnesty for Apostacy and ensure protection, 98% of the women would leave... toot sweet.

And, stop being so negative, or I will have to slap your feet.

198 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:39:14pm
199 father_of_10  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:39:23pm

So what is our take on Bhutto? Is she our gal, or just another corrupt politician? If the islamofascists hate her, should we love her. And Musharef?

200 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:39:23pm

re: #190 jcm

Actually I'd say what he says -- although not the way he said it -- is largely true. Ever notice what a spiffy new dictator does first when he consolidates power and takes over a country? Ask the Venezuelans.

201 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:40:25pm

re: #189 ploome hineni

re: #172 jcm

I cannot bring myself to care about them,

they want this religion, this way of death

all I want for them is they go faster please

Problem is they want to take us with them.

It's coming down to them or us.

I vote for us.

202 mad_scientist  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:40:31pm

re: #157 Thanos

In one way, they are like our critics on the hard right. They think mistake our open-eyed compassion for weakness when in truth it's the strength in all of us.

They think we are weak because we dont think like they do, but when this country has finally had enough, been pushed to the brink of our good will.....God I hope we reach that point soon, that our enemies will find out there is more strength here than they ever imagined.......

203 6pat6  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:41:00pm

Is there any doubt in ANYONE'S mind now that the pedo-prophet-worshipping islamists do not care about life AT ALL? When a "man" takes his infant and straps explosives to the poor little baby, then detonates the child to make a fucking political statement...

Hey, Lefties, these "pepole" are sub-human scum-sucking, camel-fucking godless freaks of nature! They HATE, period! They HATE life, liberty, the pursuit of anything remotely resembling happiness, the West, Civilization in general, beauty, love, family, YOU! They want to KILL YOU and everyone you know. They worship Death. They worship the false "god" of the pedophile Mo! The worship Death so they can look forward to an afterlife "paradise" of 72 virgins and countless little boys to bugger. Lefty, look around you! Does anyone in the Christian, Jewish, Zoastrian, Hindu, or any other of the worlds' religions (to include Atheism, as it, too, is a religion) condone or utilize these methods to garner support? Hell, even the worshippers in the cults of Multiculturism, Gorebal Warming, and Human Secularism probably wouldn't go blowing themselves up like this asshole did!

Wake the fuck up!

204 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:41:06pm
205 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:41:24pm

re: #198 ploome hineni

re: #193 mama winger

mamma, you have knee surgery? I think I will have this meniscus fixed, my leg is swelling hugely

No, not knees. Intestines. I had a bowel-lift. Not quite as good as a face-lift, but my ass does look much perkier now.

{ploome} are you in much pain?

206 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:42:06pm

re: #200 Cognito

re: #190 jcm

Actually I'd say what he says -- although not the way he said it -- is largely true. Ever notice what a spiffy new dictator does first when he consolidates power and takes over a country? Ask the Venezuelans.

Oh Yeah! He reveals himself in that sentence.

207 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:42:35pm

re: #156 Gordon Marock

It is hard to measure which is more cruel, snuffing out the future hopes and dreams of an infant in a blast of C4, or smothering the hopes and dreams of a child over 18 years by programming them to have hate and blood lust as their only emotions.

"G-M" -

Only G-d knows in this case - I HAVE MY OPINION - which is almost irrelevant in this posit.

-S-

208 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:42:45pm
209 mad_scientist  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:42:47pm

re: #201 jcm

re: #189 ploome hineni


re: #172 jcm

I cannot bring myself to care about them,

they want this religion, this way of death

all I want for them is they go faster please


Problem is they want to take us with them.

It's coming down to them or us.

I vote for us.

Ditto that......

210 Opinionated  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:42:55pm

re: #182 mad_scientist

Who said that?

An idiot savant. Savant for playing a musical instrument- i'm told. An idiot for everything else.

211 Thanos  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:42:56pm

re: #183 Cognito

re: #175 Allah al Fubar


re: #158 song_and_dance_man


That sstory was horrible, and was most likely contrived by an AP or Reuters reporter.


Reported by Michael Yon, actually. Contrived by this tribal faction or that.

You do have to admit that it was probably very effective tribal agitprop however legend it might be. The Islamic world is great at crafting blood libel and horror stories. Unfortunately too many take the horror in and then pursue it to reality.

When's AP going to start compiling the numbers of Muslims killed by AQ and affiliates btw? You could run it under the headline "Another Grim Al Qaeda Milestone".

212 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:43:33pm
213 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:43:45pm

re: #107 savage_nation

How are you? I've a new nic link.

214 blackpajamas  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:43:57pm

When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.

When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.*

215 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:44:03pm
216 SecretInternetDoucheBag  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:44:27pm

You have to admit we are fighting an implacable enemy right now. Willing to blow themselves up just to take some of us or their enemies with them. Remember the Japanese jumping off cliffs with their families to avoid capture? This is going to be a long hard struggle.

217 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:44:29pm

As I'm typing this, there are 174 comments on this thread.

A few points.

If one fervently believes that he is doing God's will, one can and will do anything. So don't tell me that all religions are equal. That dog won't hunt these woods.

At least one commenter states that we cannot kill them all. I think he means that we should not kill them all. We certainly can kill them all, but we won't. They're not all guilty.

I believe that America is mistaken with our lax immigration policies. I've made this comparison before: The vast majority of snakes are harmless or beneficial, but I allow no snakes to live in my house.

218 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:44:31pm

Wow. 'Splosion here.

219 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:44:33pm
220 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:44:41pm

re: #208 ploome hineni

Bowel resection. Left half of my small intestine on the table..... maybe I can go down a pants size now.

Vicodin is the first thing I am going to give thanks for on Thanksgiving Day.

221 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:45:13pm
222 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:45:28pm

re: #206 jcm

re: #200 Cognito

re: #190 jcm

Actually I'd say what he says -- although not the way he said it -- is largely true. Ever notice what a spiffy new dictator does first when he consolidates power and takes over a country? Ask the Venezuelans.

Oh Yeah! He reveals himself in that sentence.

Not sure what you mean. My point is that a free press -- not necessarily "media companies," as Vesely says -- does largely guard the democratic form of government.

Other forms of government and their leaders -- Chavez, Castro, Putin, Achmadinejad, and others -- do their best to suppress a free press. There's a reason why.

223 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:46:02pm

re: #176 Bearster

You're right of course.

On on earlier thread, in discussion NY Nana and I were having about the left, I got to thinking about the motivation, and I think the lefties and the Islamists are on the same page on a basic psychic level. They fear freedom, because they are desperately afraid of things not being under complete control. They view the world as dangerous, a constant threat. Global warming, impending environmental disaster, or, if you're a Muslim, westernization etc. Human nature is essentially violent -- the Muslim attitude toward sexuality isn't all that far from what Feminists say, is it? So one must propitiate the terrifying natural order through sacrifice. ELF makes blood sacrifices to Gaia; Islamists make blood sacrifices to their angry sky deity, Baal the Thunderer, to whom they apply the name of the common Semitic sky god El/Al. (not the airline)

Christianity and Judaism, along with the Enlightenment they fostered, viewed nature as essentially good. God's creation is fundamentally good; the essence of history is creation, perfection, redemption. But the post-Enlightenment thinkers rejected optimism in favor of the fear and hatred of progress, rejected freedom and reason for dictatorship and the cult of the irrational. The Islamists have created the perfect blend of their ancient worship of the thunderer, the heavenly war god, and anti-Enlightenment western nihilism.

Where's BabbaZee when I need her?

224 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:46:28pm

re: #211 Thanos

re: #183 Cognito

re: #175 Allah al Fubar

re: #158 song_and_dance_man
That sstory was horrible, and was most likely contrived by an AP or Reuters reporter.

Reported by Michael Yon, actually. Contrived by this tribal faction or that.
You do have to admit that it was probably very effective tribal agitprop however legend it might be. The Islamic world is great at crafting blood libel and horror stories. Unfortunately too many take the horror in and then pursue it to reality.

When's AP going to start compiling the numbers of Muslims killed by AQ and affiliates btw? You could run it under the headline "Another Grim Al Qaeda Milestone".

Yes, I suppose I could, as soon as I started writing headlines for the Associated Press.

225 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:46:40pm

re: #215 savage_nation

Times like this I wonder if there really is a God.

I think I'm losing my faith in humanity when I see shit like this.

I Peter 5:8
Be vigilant, watch. Your adversary the devil as a roaring lion walks about seeking whom he may devour.

The evil one has devoured an entire people.

226 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:47:11pm

re: #202 mad_scientist

re: #157 Thanos


In one way, they are like our critics on the hard right. They think mistake our open-eyed compassion for weakness when in truth it's the strength in all of us.

They think we are weak because we dont think like they do, but when this country has finally had enough, been pushed to the brink of our good will.....God I hope we reach that point soon, that our enemies will find out there is more strength here than they ever imagined.......


Well, WWII only lasted 4 years and we're in year #6.

Are we in the financial position or mood for a 20 year war? Somehow I don't think so. They've been pushing their shiite on us since 1981 and we've taken it; over and over and over and over again. Enough. Let our soldiers fight with their fists and guns. Stop worrying about "how the enemy might feel" I'm gonna puke.

Let's pound em with all we've got for the next three years and strike fear in the hearts and the cities and the nations of those who threaten Israel, Europe and the Western Hemisphere.
Germany, France, England, Australia already on board.

Three years? Or twenty?

You choose.

227 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:47:22pm

re: #222 Cognito

You could say the same thing about an armed populace.

But you didn't.

228 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:47:39pm

re: #162 SecretInternetDoucheBag

Wait a second can you guys answer me a question? For a religion that mandates stonings for adultry what the hell does this mandate? Oh wait a minute I can answer that 72 virgins in heaven.

When you begin reading the various rulings (fatwas) on issues both modern and historical, you come to the inescapable conclusion that whatever act furthers the political requirements of islam (as defined in that time period by whichever islamic scholar or scholars are empowered to issue fatwas)
is permitted, even if it is by definition, forbidden.

As there has never been a shortage of those authorized to issue a ruling (fatwa)
approving normally disapproved actions, trying to fight islamists with their own scripture is playing in a rigged game, with refereees paid by the other side.

229 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:47:41pm
230 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:47:44pm

re: #199 father_of_10

So what is our take on Bhutto? Is she our gal, or just another corrupt politician? If the islamofascists hate her, should we love her. And Musharef?

"f_o_10" -

Pakistan is much like the "Old Russia" - Mysteries, Enigmas, and all of that. The American Relatives of BOTH players seem to think that their relatives are flawed at the minimum.

-S-

231 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:48:11pm
232 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:48:27pm
233 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:48:42pm
234 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:48:58pm

re: #205 mama winger

re: #198 ploome hineni

re: #193 mama winger

mamma, you have knee surgery? I think I will have this meniscus fixed, my leg is swelling hugely

No, not knees. Intestines. I had a bowel-lift. Not quite as good as a face-lift, but my ass does look much perkier now.

{ploome} are you in much pain?

My stitches are itching, and I've got ingrown hairs where they had to shave me. Ick.

Ploome! You're having surgery too? Welcome to the club.

235 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:48:58pm

re: #223 Lucius Septimius

Where's BabbaZee when I need her?

You said that just fine. :)

236 Thanos  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:49:09pm

re: #224 Cognito

re: #211 Thanos


re: #183 Cognito
re: #175 Allah al Fubar

re: #158 song_and_dance_man
That sstory was horrible, and was most likely contrived by an AP or Reuters reporter.

Reported by Michael Yon, actually. Contrived by this tribal faction or that.
You do have to admit that it was probably very effective tribal agitprop however legend it might be. The Islamic world is great at crafting blood libel and horror stories. Unfortunately too many take the horror in and then pursue it to reality.
When's AP going to start compiling the numbers of Muslims killed by AQ and affiliates btw? You could run it under the headline "Another Grim Al Qaeda Milestone".

Yes, I suppose I could, as soon as I started writing headlines for the Associated Press.


Sorry if I am mistaken, somewhere along the line I got the notion that you were affiliated with AP, I take it you are not?

237 mad_scientist  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:49:13pm

Goodnight all...... gotta work early tomorrow......may not be able to sleep I am so disgusted right now, so may be back.....

238 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:49:14pm

re: #227 mama winger

re: #222 Cognito

You could say the same thing about an armed populace.

But you didn't.

I didn't because the initial post wasn't about an armed populace. I'd say the two things go hand-in-hand -- information and action. One without the other is useless. Amendments No. 1 and 2 for a reason.

239 Opinionated  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:49:17pm

There will be a "peace" conference next week at Annapolis where Israel will be pressured to surrender to terrorists.

Remember when you are disgusted by this news, by the barbaric behavior of militant Islam, remember why they continue:

Because it Works

240 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:49:53pm

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former"

~ Albert Einstein

241 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:50:00pm
242 6pat6  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:50:04pm
Enough. Let our soldiers fight with their fists and guns. Stop worrying about "how the enemy might feel" I'm gonna puke.

AMEN! To add to that, stop worrying about how John Q. Public is gonna "feel" about it. Be concerned what he THINKS (which involves the ability to sort shit out rationally; something far too many people are ill-equipped to do!), but screw feelings.

243 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:50:13pm

re: #221 song_and_dance_man

re: #203 6pat6



Does anyone in the Christian, Jewish, Zoastrian, Hindu, or any other of the worlds' religions (to include Atheism, as it, too, is a religion) condone or utilize these methods to garner support?

Allah is Lucifers step child and Islam is his bitch.

ALLAH IS JUST ANOTHER NAME FOR SATAN.

244 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:50:16pm

re: #211 Thanos

re: #183 Cognito


re: #175 Allah al Fubar

re: #158 song_and_dance_man
That sstory was horrible, and was most likely contrived by an AP or Reuters reporter.

Reported by Michael Yon, actually. Contrived by this tribal faction or that.

You do have to admit that it was probably very effective tribal agitprop however legend it might be. The Islamic world is great at crafting blood libel and horror stories. Unfortunately too many take the horror in and then pursue it to reality.

When's AP going to start compiling the numbers of Muslims killed by AQ and affiliates btw? You could run it under the headline "Another Grim Al Qaeda Milestone".

Two wrongs don't make it right.

245 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:50:21pm

re: #215 savage_nation

Times like this I wonder if there really is a God.

I think I'm losing my faith in humanity when I see shit like this.

"Savage" -

Trust me G-d exists - AND - has a wicked - sense of Humor/Humour.

-S-

246 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:50:22pm

re: #237 mad_scientist

Try to rest. Rest is good.

247 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:50:34pm

re: #220 mama winger

Yipes -- what brought that on? Although good to look on the light side.

I was going to ask if, as long as they were in there, they could take out the beer gut and give me some washboard abs, but I figured it would be a nonstarter.

248 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:50:54pm

re: #222 Cognito

re: #206 jcm

re: #200 Cognito

re: #190 jcmActually I'd say what he says -- although not the way he said it -- is largely true. Ever notice what a spiffy new dictator does first when he consolidates power and takes over a country? Ask the Venezuelans.

Oh Yeah! He reveals himself in that sentence.

Not sure what you mean. My point is that a free press -- not necessarily "media companies," as Vesely says -- does largely guard the democratic form of government.

Other forms of government and their leaders -- Chavez, Castro, Putin, Achmadinejad, and others -- do their best to suppress a free press. There's a reason why.

The press are conveyors of information. Democracy is the people, power in the hands of the people. Vesely is arrogant on two points, democracy being in the media, and that the flow of information requires HIS form of media.

Living in Seattle and Reading the Seattle Slimes, he is very much a part of the self anointed elite that "knows" much better than the rest of us. He reveals himself to be an elitist.

249 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:51:00pm

re: #233 taxfreekiller

You're in a generous mood tonight.

250 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:51:04pm

re: #219 savage_nation

Good to hear!

251 swamprat  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:51:19pm

re: #238 Cognito

I often disagree with you. Not that time.

252 The Shadow Do  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:51:40pm

re: #216 SecretInternetDoucheBag

You have to admit we are fighting an implacable enemy right now. Willing to blow themselves up just to take some of us or their enemies with them. Remember the Japanese jumping off cliffs with their families to avoid capture? This is going to be a long hard struggle.

Fanaticism fueled with ignorance. This story is disgusting, but too common in almost every conflict I have looked at. I try to keep some perspective; pictures of kids with their proud parents posted by Yon and many others in theater help.

253 Thanos  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:52:00pm

re: #244 Allah al Fubar


Two wrongs don't make it right.

Two wrongs don't make it right.

But if you live in San Francisco three rights make a left. I think that's where the Paulists went wrong...

254 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:52:16pm

re: #232 song_and_dance_man

re: #201 jcm

It's coming down to them or us.

Islam will fail in the end.

Fall or reform, I don't see much hope for an Islamic Luther nailing a set thesis to the Kabba door.

255 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:52:22pm
256 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:52:36pm
257 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:52:38pm

"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid"

~ Benjamin Franklin

258 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:52:41pm

re: #203 6pat6

Does anyone in the Christian, Jewish, Zoastrian, Hindu, or any other of the worlds' religions (to include Atheism, as it, too, is a religion) condone or utilize these methods to garner support? Hell, even the worshippers in the cults of Multiculturism, Gorebal Warming, and Human Secularism probably wouldn't go blowing themselves up like this asshole did!

Wake the fuck up!


They're followers of Moloch, engaging in child sacrifice. They only pretend to worship the same G-d as Jews and Christians.

259 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:52:53pm
260 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:53:30pm

re: #241 ploome hineni

re: #220 mama winger

email me

My email is goofy. I turned my nic blue - email me and I'll send you one back.

261 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:53:37pm

re: #214 blackpajamas

When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.

When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.*

And the Church said, AMEN.

262 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:54:10pm

re: #255 taxfreekiller

When pushes comes to shoves,
the first turn of the world wide press,
is to lies and fraud.
If the msm had told the truth,
this death cult would have not
been able to get death this close
to our families doors.

YES

263 6pat6  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:54:32pm

re: #111 Opinionated

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways"

Name just one.

264 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:56:13pm
265 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:56:17pm

re: #203 6pat6


Hell, even the worshippers in the cults of Multiculturism, Gorebal Warming, and Human Secularism probably wouldn't go blowing themselves up like this asshole did!

Ever hear of Earth Liberation Front? Those people probably would; they already go around blowing things up. Radical environmentalists are just as willing to make blood sacrifices to Gaia.

Robert Graves argued that goddess worship (either Earth or Moon) in the ancient world invariable led to human sacrifice, usually of children. I think he may have been on to something.

266 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:56:33pm

Lots of mad craziness going on.

Old friend Louise Arbour is back.

http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2007/11/un-n itwit-condemns-nato-seeks-peace.html

267 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:56:37pm
268 Thanos  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:56:42pm

30 yr. Sentence for Bombers

One of a group of conspirators who tried to detonate suicide bombs on the London transport system in 2005 was sentenced to 33 years in prison Tuesday.

Manfo Kwaku Asiedu, 34, pleaded guilty on Friday to conspiring to cause explosions. Prosecutors said Asiedu lost his nerve and dumped a backpack containing his device in a London park. It was shown to the jury as evidence.

A jury convicted four men of conspiring to murder in July but was unable to agree on verdicts for two other defendants, Asiedu and Adel Yahya

269 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:56:52pm

re: #263 6pat6

re: #111 Opinionated

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways"

Name just one.

Well, just before they attack, they invite you to join their side.
/sjarc

270 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:56:57pm

re: #263 6pat6

re: #111 Opinionated

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways"

Name just one.

You can live.
Just submit, be a dhimmi and pay jizya.

271 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:57:21pm
272 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:57:38pm

re: #183 Cognito

re: #175 Allah al Fubar

re: #158 song_and_dance_man


That sstory was horrible, and was most likely contrived by an AP or Reuters reporter.

Reported by Michael Yon, actually. Contrived by this tribal faction or that.

I recall Yon mentioning the story, but not actually reporting it. Do you have a link?

273 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:57:50pm

re: #253 Thanos

re: #244 Allah al Fubar



Two wrongs don't make it right.

Two wrongs don't make it right.

But if you live in San Francisco three rights make a left. I think that's where the Paulists went wrong...


I almost gacked at an intersection today. A Ron Paul Bumper snicker.

274 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:57:56pm
275 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:58:30pm

re: #272 Noam Sayin'

re: #183 Cognito

re: #175 Allah al Fubar
re: #158 song_and_dance_man


That sstory was horrible, and was most likely contrived by an AP or Reuters reporter.

Reported by Michael Yon, actually. Contrived by this tribal faction or that.
I recall Yon mentioning the story, but not actually reporting it. Do you have a link?

He did. It was posted here at LGF.

276 6pat6  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:58:31pm

re: #265 Lucius Septimius

Good point, I forgot about those Gaia-worshipping clowns.

277 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:58:36pm

re: #238 Cognito

My point was that I have only ever heard you make arguments concerning the media. I have never heard you make a case for anything else. There are many things that go into the keeping of liberty. From your narrow focus, I don't know if you have an opinion on anything other than that one particular arrow. There is a whole quiver that I have never heard you comment on. I think that's odd. That's all.

278 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:58:37pm

re: #271 ploome hineni

I was going to say the same thing ... I wanted to send you my email so we can coordinate next time I get up to the borderlands.

279 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:58:41pm

re: #30 varmint

baby boy or baby girl?


i'm sure justification can be found in the koran.

I thought this too and was leaning towards "girl".

280 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:59:06pm

re: #257 DesertSage

"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid"

~ Benjamin Franklin


Can I get a link on that, please? I could use it tomorrow at a meeting.

281 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:59:11pm

re: #271 ploome hineni

Did my email not work?

282 Carl B  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 7:59:30pm
Peace will come when the Arabs will love their own children more than they hate us.

Golda Meir said this about 40 years ago. Sadly, they are still very far from loving their children.

283 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:00:19pm

re: #259 savage_nation

"You wanna get rid of drug crime in this country? Fine, let's just get rid of all the drug laws"

~ Ron Paul


one of the few things he's said that makes sense

284 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:00:37pm

re: #265 Lucius Septimius

re: #203 6pat6


Hell, even the worshippers in the cults of Multiculturism, Gorebal Warming, and Human Secularism probably wouldn't go blowing themselves up like this asshole did!

Ever hear of Earth Liberation Front? Those people probably would; they already go around blowing things up. Radical environmentalists are just as willing to make blood sacrifices to Gaia.

Robert Graves argued that goddess worship (either Earth or Moon) in the ancient world invariable led to human sacrifice, usually of children. I think he may have been on to something.

Those fruit loops in Olympia where putting their kids in front of trucks. Under the hope the trucks would stop. The moonbat parents of St. Pancake trained her to end up flattened. The risked their children, how far is it to the next step....

285 FlyingTigress  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:00:53pm

I want off of this world, please.

286 rain of lead  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:01:21pm

I read this and felt.... nothing.
no shock, no anger, no outrage.
I am 42 and for my entire life these events of evil have gotten more and more twisted and depraived. I think.. it't can't get worse than that? can it? well yes it can. every new horror is like a drop of acid on steel slowly eating away my soul until my .......

............

shit, I just don't have the words.

287 AndeePanda  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:01:26pm

I am horrified. Pure evil.

288 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:01:34pm
289 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:01:43pm

re: #284 jcm

re: #265 Lucius Septimius

re: #203 6pat6


Those fruit loops in Olympia where putting their kids in front of trucks. Under the hope the trucks would stop. The moonbat parents of St. Pancake trained her to end up flattened. The risked their children, how far is it to the next step....

It depends on how recently you got new pads and rotors.

290 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:01:49pm

re: #277 mama winger

re: #238 Cognito

My point was that I have only ever heard you make arguments concerning the media. I have never heard you make a case for anything else. There are many things that go into the keeping of liberty. From your narrow focus, I don't know if you have an opinion on anything other than that one particular arrow. There is a whole quiver that I have never heard you comment on. I think that's odd. That's all.

I generally respond to comments here, I don't start threads myself. It so happens that many comments regard the media, and it also so happens that I know a bit about the media. So the narrow focus isn't all mine, exactly, or odd.

That said, I've posted on a great number of other subjects. It's just that those other posts don't turn into long discussions. And if you've got a subject you'd like to talk about, by all means toss it out there. You mentioned the armed populace, and I responded. Did you disagree with my postion on that particular arrow, as you put it?

291 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:01:55pm

re: #270 jcm

re: #263 6pat6


re: #111 Opinionated

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways"

Name just one.


You can live.
Just submit, be a dhimmi and pay jizya.

Over my dead, cold, gamey, smelly, atomically powered buttocks.

292 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:02:20pm
293 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:02:24pm
294 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:02:50pm

re: #288 ploome hineni

re: #281 mama winger

national guard web site

Oh crap. I'm an idiot. Just a minute ......

295 6pat6  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:03:11pm

Hell, even the worshippers in the cults of Multiculturism, Gorebal Warming, and Human Secularism probably wouldn't go blowing themselves up like this asshole did!

Yeah, shit, so soon I forget! Disregard the above statement. These jackasses would and DO do the same shit. God help us.

296 threecoloursblue  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:03:30pm

re: #274 JammieWearingFool

I agree with her on one point. There are things which we simply just shouldn't do. We SHOULD be held to a higher standard.

297 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:03:30pm

re: #293 ploome hineni

My system has been messed up recently. Ask realwest ....

surgery sucks

298 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:03:35pm

re: #283 DesertSage

Really? You think that made sense? Would removing the drug laws stop the cartels and dealers from shooting people who are ripping them off? Would hardcore users with no money for their fix stop stealing or scamming to get their drug? That's a messed up statement from rp- I'm not sure he's thought that one out.

299 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:03:58pm
300 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:04:05pm

re: #285 FlyingTigress

Please stay for awhile; there's work to be done!

301 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:04:25pm

re: #280 Allah al Fubar

re: #257 DesertSage

"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid"

~ Benjamin Franklin


Can I get a link on that, please? I could use it tomorrow at a meeting.

[Link: www.cybernation.com...]

302 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:04:59pm

re: #297 mama winger

Mama -- mind if I ask Real also? Don't know when I'll get back up, but hopefully it will be sometime before the end of January.

303 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:05:14pm

re: #290 Cognito

You may have posted on a wide variety of other subjects that I have not been aware of. No matter.

304 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:05:40pm
305 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:05:55pm

re: #302 Lucius Septimius

re: #297 mama winger

Mama -- mind if I ask Real also? Don't know when I'll get back up, but hopefully it will be sometime before the end of January.

Oh by all means!

306 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:05:59pm

re: #286 rain of lead

I read this and felt.... nothing.
no shock, no anger, no outrage.
I am 42 and for my entire life these events of evil have gotten more and more twisted and depraived. I think.. it't can't get worse than that? can it? well yes it can. every new horror is like a drop of acid on steel slowly eating away my soul until my .......

............

shit, I just don't have the words.

(((((Rain)))))

It'll be okay. Invest in Faith. If the horror of this world is all that you can see, then sleep. Rest. You deserve it. Your soul is in tact until you allow it to be stolen.

Rest.. and awake when you are ready.

307 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:06:07pm

re: #299 ploome hineni


we , well most of us think you are an apologist, and NOT very astute

Heck, I'm just a non-astute box of rocks, Ploome. I suggest ignoring every word that proceeds under my name...

308 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:06:16pm
309 6pat6  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:06:36pm

re: #304 taxfreekiller

They do it to the traitorous and seditious bastards Americans have elected to Congress every day.

310 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:06:37pm

re: #302 Lucius Septimius

Babba also has my email and she gets through most times.

/ Nothing stops BabbaZee LOL!

311 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:07:00pm
312 swamprat  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:07:45pm

re: #304 taxfreekiller
HEAR, HEAR!

313 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:07:54pm
314 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:08:09pm

re: #310 mama winger

Will do! Thanks, and shouldn't you be getting to bed? (just waiting for the time to next the next pain killer).

315 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:08:13pm

I, for one, am glad to see Cognito. I find his contrariness preferable to the euro-trolls we've had of late.

316 Thanos  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:08:26pm

re: #272 Noam Sayin'

re: #183 Cognito


re: #175 Allah al Fubar

re: #158 song_and_dance_man


That sstory was horrible, and was most likely contrived by an AP or Reuters reporter.


Reported by Michael Yon, actually. Contrived by this tribal faction or that.

I recall Yon mentioning the story, but not actually reporting it. Do you have a link?

I think it was in one of the "Bless the Beasts and the Children" segments he wrote. He stated that it was hearsay however.

317 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:08:28pm

re: #308 ploome hineni

but then again, cognito

what do MOST OF US KNOW anyway

you are much more educated and intelligent than a lizard

right?

BA in English, Cognito?

Nope. Not that you should care -- and I hope you don't -- about the education of a non-astute bag of hammers.

318 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:08:34pm
319 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:08:36pm

re: #298 Sharmuta

re: #283 DesertSage

Really? You think that made sense? Would removing the drug laws stop the cartels and dealers from shooting people who are ripping them off? Would hardcore users with no money for their fix stop stealing or scamming to get their drug? That's a messed up statement from rp- I'm not sure he's thought that one out.

I believe at the very least we should legalize marijuana. A majority of the people in prison right now for drugs are marijuana charges.
It makes absolutely no sense whatever to keep pot illegal, especially when alcohol is legal...and it's a much worse drug.

320 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:08:39pm

re: #275 Cognito

Wrong.

This story?

Iraq War: Second Chances

In the more than two years since that awful day in May 2005, I’ve witnessed innumerable instances of the work of terrorists of many stripes. One clear indicator of just how bad a terrorist group is, is when battle-hardened soldiers—and writers like me who travel with them—don’t find it hard to believe a story which purports that al Qaeda had baked a child and set his roasted body out as the main course at a lunch for his parents. People at home might find it incredible, improbable, even impossible. Yet here in combat with al Qaeda, the idea is no more improbable-sounding than someone saying “The chicken crossed the road.” Maybe the chicken crossed the road. Maybe not. The veterans I’ve been talking with here have no difficulty imagining the chicken crossing the road, or al Qaeda roasting kids.

Sickening, yes. Improbable, no.

That doesn't exactly qualify as a "report" of the story, now does it?

321 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:09:08pm

re: #296 threecoloursblue

re: #274 JammieWearingFool

I agree with her on one point. There are things which we simply just shouldn't do. We SHOULD be held to a higher standard.


We already are held to an impossibly high standard, while the savages are viewed as our moral equals.

She's basing her misinformation on a deep-seated hatred for America.

Search her name here, read the previous threads, then get back to me.

That woman is scum.

322 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:09:29pm

re: #315 Sharmuta

I second that emotion.

323 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:10:44pm

re: #320 Noam Sayin'

re: #275 Cognito

Wrong.

This story?

Iraq War: Second Chances

In the more than two years since that awful day in May 2005, I’ve witnessed innumerable instances of the work of terrorists of many stripes. One clear indicator of just how bad a terrorist group is, is when battle-hardened soldiers—and writers like me who travel with them—don’t find it hard to believe a story which purports that al Qaeda had baked a child and set his roasted body out as the main course at a lunch for his parents. People at home might find it incredible, improbable, even impossible. Yet here in combat with al Qaeda, the idea is no more improbable-sounding than someone saying “The chicken crossed the road.” Maybe the chicken crossed the road. Maybe not. The veterans I’ve been talking with here have no difficulty imagining the chicken crossing the road, or al Qaeda roasting kids.

Sickening, yes. Improbable, no.

That doesn't exactly qualify as a "report" of the story, now does it?

No. That's a follow-up of some other sort, and not the story I referenced. Or, more accurately, that someone else referenced initially.

324 Orde  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:11:00pm

re: #263 6pat6

re: #111 Opinionated

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways"

Name just one.

1. community-oriented

I recommend Milestones by Sayyid Qutb (also spelled Seyyid Qutb) for anyone wanting a well-expressed, but of course disturbing, Islamic read that has a numbing way (actually offers 2 ways) of explaining how to reconcile 2 Quranic commands that to him only appear contradictory (no compulsion in religion with annhilate all powers that stand between people and Islam), and how to justify jihad on all nonMuslims (not just polytheists like the Quran says, but Jews, Christians, and others as well) all the way til Judgment Day. The reasoning behind it is fascinating (sickly so), just fascinating.

325 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:11:16pm

re: #283 DesertSage

re: #259 savage_nation

"You wanna get rid of drug crime in this country? Fine, let's just get rid of all the drug laws"

~ Ron Paul


one of the few things he's said that makes sense

Don't to pick a fight, but I have three kids in my house. The reason they are here is that their parents did drugs. There are thousands more kids like them in WA State alone.

No victims?

My issue with the libertarian view on the drug issue is this. The person that takes drugs ends up consuming an disproportionate amount of societies resources to take care for them with little input into society (don't give me the recreation drug use).

Second it is not just the individual, drugs affect judgment, affected judgment you end up with the kids in my house. It never is just the drug user, it's family friends etc...

Unlike alcohol, most of the drugs have long term effects with a single use, meth with a single use causes measurable changes in brain chemistry. Many people can use alcohol (myself included) and have no effects, (I drink maybe a beer a week), there are whole raft of drugs were that is not possible.

That said the War on Drugs isn't a success. Personally I think penalties on users should be more severe, get straight or....

My 2 cents.

326 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:11:17pm
327 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:11:19pm

re: #319 DesertSage

re: #298 Sharmuta


re: #283 DesertSage

Really? You think that made sense? Would removing the drug laws stop the cartels and dealers from shooting people who are ripping them off? Would hardcore users with no money for their fix stop stealing or scamming to get their drug? That's a messed up statement from rp- I'm not sure he's thought that one out.


I believe at the very least we should legalize marijuana. A majority of the people in prison right now for drugs are marijuana charges.
It makes absolutely no sense whatever to keep pot illegal, especially when alcohol is legal...and it's a much worse drug.

If you look into the Bible/Torah, you might find some reference to this issue.

328 mama winger  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:11:33pm

re: #314 Lucius Septimius

re: #310 mama winger

Will do! Thanks, and shouldn't you be getting to bed? (just waiting for the time to next the next pain killer).

Actually I was just about to say goodnight! :)

I hope to see you guys before Thanksgiving Day, but if I miss some of you - please know how thankful I am for all that you have added to my life. God's richest blessings upon you and yours ......

329 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:12:22pm
330 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:13:21pm

re: #326 ploome hineni

re: #317 Cognito

didn;t finish your senior year?

come on, tell us?

comparative lit?

psychology?

social science?

Nope, nope and nope.

I'm running out of analogies to describe my own dreary stupidity, Ploome. So I'd suggest, once more, that you simply ignore anything I say. You can't be that curious about someone as unclever as me. A regular doorknob, I am.

331 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:13:43pm

re: #328 mama winger

G'night, and have a great Thanksgiving!

332 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:14:22pm

re: #324 Orde

re: #263 6pat6


re: #111 Opinionated

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways"

Name just one.


1. community-oriented

I recommend Milestones by Sayyid Qutb (also spelled Seyyid Qutb) for anyone wanting a well-expressed, but of course disturbing, Islamic read that has a numbing way (actually offers 2 ways) of explaining how to reconcile 2 Quranic commands that to him only appear contradictory (no compulsion in religion with annhilate all powers that stand between people and Islam), and how to justify jihad on all nonMuslims (not just polytheists like the Quran says, but Jews, Christians, and others as well) all the way til Judgment Day. The reasoning behind it is fascinating (sickly so), just fascinating.


Acknowledged.

Although, Mandy Manners says all 'Allahs are "bad".


Feh!

333 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:14:46pm

re: #324 Orde

...explaining how to reconcile 2 Quranic commands that to him only appear contradictory...
...The reasoning behind it is fascinating (sickly so), just fascinating...

There is a point in reading the 'explanations' of these contradictions that I've begun to refer to mentally as the 'double-jointed' part of islamic thought.
"A thing is of course forbidden, except when it is, naturally, of course, excused."

334 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:14:51pm

re: #324 Orde

re: #263 6pat6

re: #111 Opinionated

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways"

Name just one.

1. community-oriented

I recommend Milestones by Sayyid Qutb (also spelled Seyyid Qutb) for anyone wanting a well-expressed, but of course disturbing, Islamic read that has a numbing way (actually offers 2 ways) of explaining how to reconcile 2 Quranic commands that to him only appear contradictory (no compulsion in religion with annhilate all powers that stand between people and Islam), and how to justify jihad on all nonMuslims (not just polytheists like the Quran says, but Jews, Christians, and others as well) all the way til Judgment Day. The reasoning behind it is fascinating (sickly so), just fascinating.

2nd.
Milestones is a must read.
It's Online.

335 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:15:06pm
336 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:15:29pm

re: #331 Lucius Septimius

re: #328 mama winger

G'night, and have a great Thanksgiving!

A good idea.

I'll see you folks later, when I'm full of turkey and brokenhearted by a certain football team.

Happy Thanksgiving to everybody.

337 swamprat  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:15:46pm

Mandy; what was the "explosion"? Are you all right?

338 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:15:47pm

re: #319 DesertSage

I agree with you 100%, but I still thought that statement from rp was not thought out- it's just a nice sound bite for his audience, but what about hard drug? A junkie needing a fix is still going to do anything to get that fix whether their fix is legal or not, so there would still be crime involved with drugs.

339 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:16:34pm

re: #311 savage_nation

Why wait?

340 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:16:57pm
341 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:17:14pm

re: #335 savage_nation

re: #319 DesertSage


re: #298 Sharmuta

re: #283 DesertSage

Really? You think that made sense? Would removing the drug laws stop the cartels and dealers from shooting people who are ripping them off? Would hardcore users with no money for their fix stop stealing or scamming to get their drug? That's a messed up statement from rp- I'm not sure he's thought that one out.


I believe at the very least we should legalize marijuana. A majority of the people in prison right now for drugs are marijuana charges.
It makes absolutely no sense whatever to keep pot illegal, especially when alcohol is legal...and it's a much worse drug.

Are you people all on dope?

MISTER HAND!

Do you know Mister Hand?

342 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:17:29pm

re: #338 Sharmuta

re: #319 DesertSage

I agree with you 100%, but I still thought that statement from rp was not thought out- it's just a nice sound bite for his audience, but what about hard drug? A junkie needing a fix is still going to do anything to get that fix whether their fix is legal or not, so there would still be crime involved with drugs.

Drug addicts have difficulty holding a job. They are still going to be jacking cars to get a fix.

343 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:17:47pm

re: #325 jcm

I don't do drugs. Nada. Nothing.
I drink a glass of wine maybe twice a year.

If drugs were legalized, I still wouldn't do them.

Why do you think that if drugs were legalized anything would change? The same people that are doing drugs now would still be doing them if the were legal. The people that aren't doing them would probably still not do them.
The only difference is that we wouldn't be spending billions of dollars on law enforcement and incarceration. And we'd be making money on the other end by taxation.

344 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:18:41pm
345 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:19:03pm

re: #337 swamprat

Mandy; what was the "explosion"? Are you all right?

She may have had to go to the potty... or may have had to care for the cat. Or both. ?

346 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:19:09pm

re: #343 DesertSage

But for rp to think that would stop drug crime is absurd.

347 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:19:10pm

re: #338 Sharmuta

There was extreme crime involved with alcohol -- including gang killings and outright terrorism (bombs planted in public places, etc). All that happened during Prohibition. It promplty stopped once booze was legalized again.

Also booze is vastly more deadly than all other drugs combined in terms of the sheer body count.

Alcohol is also vastly more destructuve to your body when taken in anything more than true moderation than is heroin.

Meth is pretty nasty, but no worse than what booze does to a serious drunk.

348 rain of lead  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:19:13pm

#306
allah al fubar
thank you for those kind thoughts :)
I know that there is a GOD and that this is all part of HIS plan
at times like this I look at my little girl's sleeping innocent face and then buck up knowing that I have to do my part (whatever that may be) to make this little ball of rock better for her.

349 Straitcircle  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:19:20pm

Can someone ask Hillary or Obama in one of the pres. hopeful debates to explain the psychology of fathers using their infants as decoys to foster homicide terror?

350 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:19:23pm
351 Malleus Dei  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:19:33pm

Despicable. Pure evil and despicable.

No human being should ever be capable of stooping to this level of evil. That this barbarian did so should tell you all you ever need to know about exactly what we are facing.

352 6pat6  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:19:52pm

re: #334 jcm

I'll have to give that a read. Not in the mood at the moment, not with exploding babies at the forefront. Jackals like that deserve an eternity in the bowels of Hell, plain and simple. Jackals like him prove the existence of Evil.

353 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:19:58pm
354 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:20:33pm

re: #335 savage_nation

White Punks On Dope?

355 swamprat  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:20:55pm

re: #345 Allah al Fubar Just the way I envision her, minus the tatoos, harley and warclub.

356 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:20:59pm

re: #332 Allah al Fubar

Although, Mandy Manners says all 'Allahs are "bad".

Don't be meshuganah!

(Did I spell that right?)

357 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:21:13pm

re: #344 savage_nation

re: #339 Mich-again


re: #311 savage_nation

Why wait?


The second I light up, my name will come up on a random drug screen and there goes my driving career.



Are you a drug addict? Oh My.

358 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:21:18pm

re: #323 Cognito

Was it one of these?

359 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:21:31pm

re: #343 DesertSage

re: #325 jcm

I don't do drugs. Nada. Nothing.
I drink a glass of wine maybe twice a year.

If drugs were legalized, I still wouldn't do them.

Why do you think that if drugs were legalized anything would change? The same people that are doing drugs now would still be doing them if the were legal. The people that aren't doing them would probably still not do them.
The only difference is that we wouldn't be spending billions of dollars on law enforcement and incarceration. And we'd be making money on the other end by taxation.

Legalized you remove a social stigma. A sober person thinks about consequences. remove the consequences and you'll have more people giving it a try, with meth you don't even get one try.

360 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:21:57pm

re: #347 Pro-Bush Canuck

So there are no alcohol crimes? What do you call a DUI? No one steals booze? It didn't stop alcohol crime, it just altered it, drastically, but it's still here.

361 6pat6  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:22:10pm

re: #354 DesertSage

Oh, man, I haven't heard that in freakin' ages! The Tubes were great in concert, and did some really great videos, too!

362 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:22:17pm
363 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:22:26pm

re: #344 savage_nation

Ha. I thought "when I finally get off the road" meant getting home from work.

364 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:22:34pm

re: #144 Dead Sea Squirrel

The islamic assault is not only on the human beings islam kills every day, but also it is an islamic attack upon the trust and compassion that we must have for each other in order to cooperate and survive, and we humans will go extinct in orgy of fighting and mistrust, unless we wipe this islamic thing out while it is still small.

365 Thanos  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:23:38pm

It's time I got to sleep as well, company coming on the morrow, more things to get done before they get here.

There's a good post at Hot Air about "In G-d's Name", not the Pakistani one either (Khuda Kaye Liye)..

There's clouds and rain tonight... not the Chinese kind, the kind that blot out the moon and stars, so no moonshots tonight, just a tune.

366 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:23:41pm
367 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:23:44pm

re: #346 Sharmuta

re: #343 DesertSage

But for rp to think that would stop drug crime is absurd.

Yeah, rp is talking through his ass. It's not practical to legalize all drugs, in fact it's probably dangerous.

But marijuana? Come on...why was it ever criminalized to begin with?

368 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:23:55pm

re: #352 6pat6

Qutb in many ways is the father of what we see now.

"Know the enemy and know yourself" Sun Tzu.

369 UFO TOFU  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:24:04pm

re: #311 savage_nation
I find that hard to believe.

370 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:24:06pm

re: #337 swamprat

Mandy; what was the "explosion"? Are you all right?

I was talking about the ginormous amount of posts here between a certain time and the other. (Thank you fpr your concern!)

371 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:24:25pm
372 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:24:42pm

Repealing Prohibition didn't decrease laws on alcohol- if anything we have more laws about alcohol than before. The liquor industry still ain't pretty, no matter what the advertisers want you to believe.

373 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:24:50pm

re: #360 Sharmuta

Agree totally.

But gangs don't kill each other trying to smuggle rum in from jamaica.

The vast majority of America's rather horrendous homidice rate is directly connected to gangs and drugs.

Also booze is extremely deadly to alcoholics. Ever see the liver of a chronic drunk?

374 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:24:53pm

re: #362 song_and_dance_man

Every time I got a new job I was disappointed when they told me I would have a drug test, I didn't test nuthing.

I want the tasting job at Jack Daniel's.

375 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:24:54pm

re: #358 Noam Sayin'

Nevermind. I found it. Thanks for the courtesy.

376 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:25:26pm
377 swamprat  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:25:27pm

re: #370 MandyManners ..S'alright!

378 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:25:48pm

re: #353 savage_nation

re: #341 Allah al Fubar


re: #335 savage_nation

re: #319 DesertSage

re: #298 Sharmuta

re: #283 DesertSageReally? You think that made sense? Would removing the drug laws stop the cartels and dealers from shooting people who are ripping them off? Would hardcore users with no money for their fix stop stealing or scamming to get their drug? That's a messed up statement from rp- I'm not sure he's thought that one out.

I believe at the very least we should legalize marijuana. A majority of the people in prison right now for drugs are marijuana charges.
It makes absolutely no sense whatever to keep pot illegal, especially when alcohol is legal...and it's a much worse drug.

Are you people all on dope?

MISTER HAND!

Do you know Mister Hand?


I had a history teacher just like Ray Walston. Thats probably why Fast Times is on my all time fav list hahah

You are killing me, because my son has the very same teacher... he's ageless and just as brutal but kind and sort of an asshole.. at the same time. MISTER HAND.

379 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:25:51pm

re: #350 taxfreekiller

Doing drugs is an evil sin, so say God and tfk.!

Love you lots' but, I won't go there.

380 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:26:24pm

re: #366 savage_nation

Oh god, shes cute!

And she can cook!

381 jcm  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:26:49pm

Night Lizards,

Happy Thanksgiving to all.
A prayer of safe travels, good health, joy and peace.

Family arrives tomorrow a house to get ready.
See ya' all later.

382 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:26:49pm
383 Syrah  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:26:58pm

I am not sure that this is a fair comparison.

While I have found that I have disagreed with Cognito on this or that fine point, or even on a big point here or there, I never thought of him as the enemy, or as an idiot.

The Euro-Trolls are/were too often both.

Cognito is one of us.

384 UFO TOFU  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:27:34pm

re: #376 savage_nation
What with CDL drug testing and all. Or did I miss the sarcasm, I'm wrong several times a day...

385 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:27:36pm

re: #377 swamprat

You okay?

386 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:27:49pm

re: #382 song_and_dance_man

re: #380 Mich-again

re: #366 savage_nation

Oh god, shes cute!

And she can cook!

And think

And bake!

387 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:27:55pm

re: #371 savage_nation

re: #354 DesertSage

re: #335 savage_nation

White Punks On Dope?

yesss!

Love that song

388 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:28:00pm
389 6pat6  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:28:04pm

Don't forget "She's A Beauty", one of my all-time Tubes faves! Back when MTV was actually good!

390 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:28:10pm

re: #380 Mich-again

re: #366 savage_nation


Oh god, shes cute!

And she can cook!

Ah, patriarchy! Where art thou, patriarchy?

/I'm KIDDING Mandy :-)

391 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:28:42pm
392 6pat6  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:28:50pm

Fee Waybill was a freak, but a talented freak!

393 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:28:51pm
394 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:29:20pm
395 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:29:39pm

re: #375 Noam Sayin'

re: #358 Noam Sayin'

Nevermind. I found it. Thanks for the courtesy.

Sorry, Noam, I had stepped away for a moment, and ostensibly the evening, per my "Happy Thanksgiving everybody," post.

Didn't mean to offend.

396 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:29:48pm
397 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:30:19pm

re: #381 jcm

Night Lizards,

Happy Thanksgiving to all.
A prayer of safe travels, good health, joy and peace.

Family arrives tomorrow a house to get ready.
See ya' all later.

HAPPY THANKSGIKVING to you and yours!

398 DistantThunder  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:30:33pm

Governments REcruit Children as Soldiers

Despite near-universal condemnation, hundreds of thousands of children have fought and died in almost every major conflict in the world, many in government armed forces. According to the Child Soldiers Global Report 2004, governments which used child soldiers in armed conflict between 2001 and 2004 were Burundi, Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), Chad, Côte D'Ivoire , Guinea, Liberia, Myanmar, Rwanda, Sudan, Uganda and the United States of America.

Some governments which do not directly recruit children nevertheless back paramilitary groups, militias and local defence groups which use children to fight and to kill, to commit human rights abuses against civilians, or to loot and destroy property. Those using these unofficial forces include Colombia and Zimbabwe. In 2005, at least six governments claiming to have ended child recruitment, continued to deploy children to gather intelligence or to act as messengers or scouts, directly exposing them to the hazards of war or to violent reprisals if identified by opposing forces. Governments have ruthlessly targeted children suspected of membership of armed political groups. Such children have been detained and reportedly tortured often to extract information, such as in Israel. Some have been sentenced to death in unfair trials, including in military courts, such as in the DRC. Others have been killed during military "clean up" operations in Burundi, Indonesia and Nepal, or "disappeared", such as in Chechnya in the Russian Federation.

399 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:30:59pm

re: #373 Pro-Bush Canuck

I've lost two very important women in my life to alcohol- both were extremely unnecessary. I'm not arguing in favor of alcohol. I'm not arguing the war on drugs should stay on it's present course. Personally- I think it's a quagmire.

What I am saying is rp's statement was stupid. He's being an opportunist trying to win over the pothead vote with a superficial sound bite.

400 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:31:28pm

re: #399 Sharmuta

100% with you on all counts.

401 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:31:43pm

Now, truly: Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

Don't tryptophan and drive.

402 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:31:54pm

re: #395 Cognito

Cog, are you upsetting people again?

Didn't we have a talk about this once? :')

403 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:32:08pm
404 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:32:14pm

re: #383 Syrah

No fascists in my foxhole, but I'd let Cog in.

405 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:32:58pm
406 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:34:01pm

re: #403 song_and_dance_man

re: #396 savage_nation


re: #394 song_and_dance_man

re: #386 Mich-again

re: #382 song_and_dance_man

re: #380 Mich-again

re: #366 savage_nation

Oh god, shes cute!

And she can cook!

And think

And bake!

And read

I want her to have my children!

Why would you give up your children to her;-?

Because she'll raise 'em right. Readin', cookin', a-thinkin' and lookin' good fer the fellers... she'll set them young'uns straight!

407 Cheeseland  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:34:11pm

re: #2 psaturn

re: #1 song_and_dance_man

Unbelievable. This makes me sick.

408 6pat6  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:34:32pm
According to the Child Soldiers Global Report 2004, governments which used child soldiers in armed conflict between 2001 and 2004 were Burundi, Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), Chad, C%uFFFDte D'Ivoire , Guinea, Liberia, Myanmar, Rwanda, Sudan, Uganda and the United States of America.

WTF? Gee, because we have 17-year-olds volunteer for military service (with parental consent), they qualify as kids, apparently.

409 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:34:35pm

re: #383 Syrah

I am not sure that this is a fair comparison.

While I have found that I have disagreed with Cognito on this or that fine point, or even on a big point here or there, I never thought of him as the enemy, or as an idiot.

The Euro-Trolls are/were too often both.

Cognito is one of us.

Well, that was just mean, and provacative.

410 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:34:55pm
411 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:34:56pm

re: #395 Cognito

BIOYA!

412 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:35:02pm

re: #401 Cognito

Happy Thanksgiving, Cognito!

413 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:35:26pm
414 Killian Bundy  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:35:59pm

GQ Picks Ron Paul as a 'Man of the Year 2007'

Paul, 72, appears in GQ's December issue with GQ's other men of the year including Hollywood heavyweight Tom Hanks, hip-hop artist Kanye West, new James Bond actor Daniel Craig, actor Casey Affleck, baseball star Alex Rodriguez, and tennis ace Roger Federer.

Calling him the "Dark Horse of the Year," the Texas congressman is the only White House contender to make GQ's cut.

/one the one hand, you got your dumb, on the other hand you got your stupid

415 Cognito  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:37:14pm

re: #411 Noam Sayin'

re: #395 Cognito

BIOYA!

Wow. I had to look that up.

Have a happy Thanksgiving anyway, Noam.

416 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:37:43pm
417 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:37:48pm

re: #390 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #380 Mich-again


re: #366 savage_nation

Oh god, shes cute!

And she can cook!

Ah, patriarchy! Where art thou, patriarchy?

/I'm KIDDING Mandy :-)

I'm sorry. I am imagining things not acceptable to this discussion.

418 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:37:58pm
419 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:38:34pm

re: #413 song_and_dance_man

re: #402 DesertSage

re: #395 Cognito

Cog, are you upsetting people again?

Didn't we have a talk about this once? :')

Ouch

Cog, Render and I fought some pretty good battles together on another blog once. I've always liked him. He adds a little spice to LGF.

420 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:39:35pm

re: #418 song_and_dance_man

re: #414 Killian Bundy

GQ Picks Ron Paul as a 'Man of the Year 2007'

Paul, 72, appears in GQ's December issue with GQ's other men of the year including Hollywood heavyweight Tom Hanks, hip-hop artist Kanye West, new James Bond actor Daniel Craig, actor Casey Affleck, baseball star Alex Rodriguez, and tennis ace Roger Federer.

Calling him the "Dark Horse of the Year," the Texas congressman is the only White House contender to make GQ's cut.

/one the one hand, you got your dumb, on the other hand you got your stupid

OK who owns GQ?

Conde Nast -- who owns them?

421 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:39:42pm

re: #414 Killian Bundy

Gotta love GQ.

"Round-up of 30 styling gels"
"Pedicure tips for Men"
"How to sneak out the next morning"

AND penetrating poltical analysis!

They've got it all.

422 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:39:51pm

re: #416 savage_nation

re: #408 6pat6


According to the Child Soldiers Global Report 2004, governments which used child soldiers in armed conflict between 2001 and 2004 were Burundi, Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), Chad, C©te D'Ivoire , Guinea, Liberia, Myanmar, Rwanda, Sudan, Uganda and the United States of America.

WTF? Gee, because we have 17-year-olds volunteer for military service (with parental consent), they qualify as kids, apparently.

Well, any report by the UN qualifies me to wad it up and wipe my ass with it.

UNpaper: Does that mean it doesn't exist? If so, what will become of your hands?

423 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:39:58pm
424 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:41:04pm

re: #420 Lucius Septimius

re: #418 song_and_dance_man

re: #414 Killian Bundy

GQ Picks Ron Paul as a 'Man of the Year 2007'

Paul, 72, appears in GQ's December issue with GQ's other men of the year including Hollywood heavyweight Tom Hanks, hip-hop artist Kanye West, new James Bond actor Daniel Craig, actor Casey Affleck, baseball star Alex Rodriguez, and tennis ace Roger Federer.

Calling him the "Dark Horse of the Year," the Texas congressman is the only White House contender to make GQ's cut.

/one the one hand, you got your dumb, on the other hand you got your stupid

OK who owns GQ?

Conde Nast -- who owns them?

Same bunch that own Wired magazine, as it happens.

425 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:41:59pm

re: #414 Killian Bundy

GQ Picks Ron Paul as a 'Man of the Year 2007'


Paul, 72, appears in GQ's December issue with GQ's other men of the year including Hollywood heavyweight Tom Hanks, hip-hop artist Kanye West, new James Bond actor Daniel Craig, actor Casey Affleck, baseball star Alex Rodriguez, and tennis ace Roger Federer.

Calling him the "Dark Horse of the Year," the Texas congressman is the only White House contender to make GQ's cut.


/one the one hand, you got your dumb, on the other hand you got your stupid

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO'

FUCK NO.
GQ has confirmed its spot as a useless media tool.

426 Syrah  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:42:10pm

re: #409 Allah al Fubar

Okay. You got me.

Who is that?

427 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:42:46pm

re: #424 NomadOfNorad

Actually Wired is pretty good if you're looking for a good solid wad of sheer bullshit.

They pegged the left-wing bullshit meter so hard it cracked the glass.

428 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:43:34pm

re: #420 Lucius Septimius

Conde Nast -- who owns them?

The Newhouse Family... generations of 'journalists'
[Link: blog.syracuse.com...]

429 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:43:40pm

re: #421 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #414 Killian Bundy

Gotta love GQ.

"Round-up of 30 styling gels"
"Pedicure tips for Men"
"How to sneak out the next morning"

AND penetrating poltical analysis!

They've got it all.

W00t!

430 Cheeseland  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:43:55pm

re: #3 Alouette

How would one get this link to Drudge?

431 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:44:51pm
432 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:45:43pm

re: #425 MandyManners

re: #414 Killian Bundy


GQ Picks Ron Paul as a 'Man of the Year 2007'

Paul, 72, appears in GQ's December issue with GQ's other men of the year including Hollywood heavyweight Tom Hanks, hip-hop artist Kanye West, new James Bond actor Daniel Craig, actor Casey Affleck, baseball star Alex Rodriguez, and tennis ace Roger Federer.
Calling him the "Dark Horse of the Year," the Texas congressman is the only White House contender to make GQ's cut.

/one the one hand, you got your dumb, on the other hand you got your stupid

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO NO'

FUCK NO.
GQ has confirmed its spot as a useless media tool.

The editors of GQ are gay. And, they lean toward the Left..

433 room-temp  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:47:09pm

re: #41 MandyManners

Exactly

434 Texas Joel  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:47:46pm

I don't actually believe it.

Bhutto is a crook, a liar, and a demogogue. Why would jihadists want to blow up Mushareff's opposition? More likely it would be Bhutto's people who would want to blow up the place and use the civil unrest a political assassination would cause to throw out Mushareff and his unpopular policies-- not rabid enough against the US or India.

Bhutto's party is the reason the military took control of Pakistan, Bhutto's party is/was so corrupting that the officers couldn't stand to see what was happening. Mushareff has been trying to get rid of the corrupted judges ever since he took over, and the war against alQaeda has been a significant distraction to him, and has forced him probably farther to the middle than he would like to have been, but he is working from the middle (between outright money corruption evil and reactionary tribal islamic evil) and has kept his country's airspace open to the USAF and probably kept the border open to small deniable ground teams that nobody would talk about-- that is where the phrase valuable ally comes from.

435 pat  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:48:13pm

The odd thing is Bhutto herself is a full-on Islamic nut

436 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:48:19pm

OK, enough fun. Gotta get some shuteye. Tomorrow have Pumpkin pie to bake and stuffing to fix and maybe something else.

Have a great day, and a Happy Thanksgiving!

437 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:49:39pm

re: #432 Allah al Fubar

re: #425 MandyManners


re: #414 Killian Bundy

GQ Picks Ron Paul as a 'Man of the Year 2007'

Paul, 72, appears in GQ's December issue with GQ's other men of the year including Hollywood heavyweight Tom Hanks, hip-hop artist Kanye West, new James Bond actor Daniel Craig, actor Casey Affleck, baseball star Alex Rodriguez, and tennis ace Roger Federer.
Calling him the "Dark Horse of the Year," the Texas congressman is the only White House contender to make GQ's cut.

/one the one hand, you got your dumb, on the other hand you got your stupid

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO NO'
FUCK NO.
GQ has confirmed its spot as a useless media tool.

The editors of GQ are gay. And, they lean toward the Left..

Surely, you jest!

438 Macker  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:49:54pm

re: #422 Allah al Fubar

See to the UN, it's OK for kids to f**k and f**k and f**k and f**k and f**k and f**k and f**k and f**k...and f**k until it hurts and then f**k some more!
But it's NOT OK for kids who just happen to be 17 to fight for their country. I should know, I volunteered at 17 to join the Navy.
F**k the UN. And I Will Not Submit either.

439 threecoloursblue  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:50:01pm

re: #435 pat

Since when ? She spent her Cambridge Univerity years driving around in fast sports cars and partying. The headscarf is for show.

440 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:50:34pm

re: #435 pat

Really? She sure didn't come across that way when Canadian TV interviewed her a few weeks ago. She may be a complete crook, but she was talking non-stop Western-style feminism and trash-talking the mullahs on CBC TV.

441 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:51:02pm

re: #435 pat

The odd thing is Bhutto herself is a full-on Islamic nut

Proof?

442 swamprat  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:51:16pm

re: #370 MandyManners..... back from shower....yes, I am fime. I was quoting babalui from Quick-Draw McDraw
"you ok in there, bablui?"
" 's'alright!"
...obscure cartoon

443 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:52:15pm

re: #442 swamprat

Not obscure to us 40-somethings!

444 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:53:32pm

re: #437 MandyManners

Baby, I do not jest.

Do I look like a Jester to you?

445 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:53:40pm

re: #439 threecoloursblue

re: #435 pat

Since when ? She spent her Cambridge Univerity years driving around in fast sports cars and partying. The headscarf is for show.

That does not necessarily mean anything. IIRC, ben Laden started out the same way: major fun-loving playboy with fast cars and stuff... yet one day, something in him snapped and he went off the deep end.

446 bikermailman  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:54:20pm

re: #398 DistantThunder

The United States? And when you go digging around, Israel? The closest thing I could find was them condeming the recruitment of under 18 year olds, which, yeah, we recruit 17 year olds, to serve when they turn 18. Bunch of durned dimwits and their moral equivalency.

447 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:55:46pm

re: #444 Allah al Fubar

re: #437 MandyManners

Baby, I do not jest.

Do I look like a Jester to you?

Oh, yeah.

448 Carridine  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:56:06pm

re: #446 bikermailman

Biker, I enlisted at 17 (with my parents' written approval) AND began serving 2 months before my 18th trip around the Sun...

And that was 1964, Sir.

449 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:56:19pm
450 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:56:33pm

re: #438 Macker

OK, I'm just going to hug you. I'm sorry for all that you went through and all that you will go through going forward. Your wife and children will also trudge this path, together with you. Buck up, boy.

451 pat  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:56:41pm

Thanos may argue with me, but her father introduced Sharia in place of the common law in Pakistan. She was the FIRST to embrace the Taliban in Afghanistan and the northern territories. Her corruption and greed is unparalleled unless you were named after a famous Himalayan mountain climber, prior to the climb. This woman is nothing but trash.

452 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:57:33pm

re: #449 song_and_dance_man

re: #432 Allah al Fubar


The editors of GQ are gay. And, they lean toward the Left..

It's their tailors.

They do not have tailors... they have Taylors. And bad shoes.

453 threecoloursblue  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:57:42pm

re: #445 NomadOfNorad

In accounts I've read of bin Laden, including those by his sister-in-law who lives in Sweden, he was always a nut; got really agitated if women opened the door to him or stayed in the rooms where he'd be talking to his brothers.

454 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:58:39pm

re: #449 song_and_dance_man

re: #432 Allah al Fubar


The editors of GQ are gay. And, they lean toward the Left..

It's their tailors.

He said "lean" to the left, not dress to the left. Although they do that also.

455 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 8:59:36pm
456 bikermailman  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:00:07pm

re: #448 Carridine

re: #446 bikermailman

Biker, I enlisted at 17 (with my parents' written approval) AND began serving 2 months before my 18th trip around the Sun...

And that was 1964, Sir.

Do we still let younger than 18 serve? To my knowledge, everyone has to wait til 18. But then, I could be wrong. It's happened once or twice.
/

457 threecoloursblue  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:00:45pm

re: #451 pat

Her father ? General Ul-Haq, who hung her father, introduced Sharia law to Pakistan, I'd always thought. But corrupt definately.

458 pat  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:01:15pm

There are many reports that while Been Laden tried to claim the nic Camel Dick, his 4 wives called him Pencil.

459 bikermailman  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:01:22pm

re: #455 song_and_dance_man

re: #454 DesertSage


re: #449 song_and_dance_man

re: #432 Allah al Fubar


The editors of GQ are gay. And, they lean toward the Left..

It's their tailors.

He said "lean" to the left, not dress to the left. Although they do that also.

And bad shoes.

Don't start talking shoes. Noam's around.

460 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:01:37pm

I began my service at 16

461 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:03:03pm

re: #455 song_and_dance_man

re: #454 DesertSage

re: #449 song_and_dance_man

re: #432 Allah al Fubar


The editors of GQ are gay. And, they lean toward the Left..

It's their tailors.

He said "lean" to the left, not dress to the left. Although they do that also.

And bad shoes.

And Boogie Shoes

462 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:03:31pm

re: #458 pat

There are many reports that while Been Laden tried to claim the nic Camel Dick, his 4 wives called him Pencil.

Leave it to Pat to liven up the room!

I think Been had about 4 wives (customary) but never heard any first hand accounts about his 'abilities'.. Any sources?

463 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:04:46pm

There is, of course, a huge difference between a 12-year-old soldier and a 17-year-old soldier. The trouble is, some people don't know where to draw the line, or don't want to draw the line.

On the other hand, the notion of adolescence (that period between tweenhood and full-adulthood) is a relatively recent idea. At one time, people went from childhood to full adult in a day. And it didn't come at 17 or 18, either. Some jungle tribes are still that way. They have a ritual that takes a boy from childhood to adulthood in that culture.

Nevertheless, the image of a 12-year-old in a uniform and carrying a real, loaded rifle is itself a really disturbing thing. You look at this innocent young face, and realize he's not innocent inside. That is why that video showing such a boy cutting someone's head off unsettled us on so many levels that people didn't want to recognize it or look at it.

464 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:05:33pm

re: #461 DesertSage

Thanks for lightening me Irish Heart.

465 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:06:23pm
466 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:06:32pm

re: #453 threecoloursblue

re: #445 NomadOfNorad

In accounts I've read of bin Laden, including those by his sister-in-law who lives in Sweden, he was always a nut; got really agitated if women opened the door to him or stayed in the rooms where he'd be talking to his brothers.

Nevertheless, he was at one point quite the party animal.

467 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:08:31pm

re: #465 song_and_dance_man

don't buy them anymore since I have no one to impress

Well that's kind of melancholy. You should join eHarmony.

468 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:08:42pm
469 DesertSage  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:10:25pm

I was 18 the day I entered boot camp...chronologically anyhow.

I was about 15 that day...emotionally and mentally.
I was about 25 emotionally and mentally after 3 months there.

470 pat  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:10:48pm

re: #457 threecoloursblue

He was the one who conformed the gender laws to sharia.

471 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:11:38pm
473 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:16:11pm

So, is every Lizard on a plane right now or something?

474 bikermailman  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:18:09pm

zoom zoom

475 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:18:37pm
476 bikermailman  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:19:09pm

To all the Lizards who will be on the road, or otherwise busy for the next few days, Happy Thanksgiving to you, and blessings upon you and your family.

477 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:19:11pm
478 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:19:34pm
479 swamprat  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:19:37pm

re: #475 song_and_dance_man..they're called "laces".

480 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:20:05pm

Lest anyone think that only Muslims are capable of waging large-scale evil today: Rape Epidemic Raises Trauma of Congo War

481 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:20:17pm
482 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:20:36pm

re: #474 bikermailman

zoom zoom

ZoomZoomZoom Zoom.

483 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:21:13pm

Don't fuck with the "Zooms."

484 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:21:28pm
485 bikermailman  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:21:38pm

Mmmmmaaaaannddyyyyyyyy!

486 Syrah  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:21:52pm

re: #475 song_and_dance_man

We need a shoe thread.

Sinatra. (The other one.)

487 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:22:39pm

re: #484 song_and_dance_man

re: #481 Allah al Fubar


You dont want THIS lizard on a plane. Do you?

OMG that lizard has a human head growing out of it.

You slay me.

488 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:24:11pm
489 jaunte  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:25:59pm

re: #480 Pro-Bush Canuck

Lest anyone think that only Muslims are capable of waging large-scale evil today: Rape Epidemic Raises Trauma of Congo War

From your link: "The attacks go on despite the presence of the largest United Nations peacekeeping force in the world, with more than 17,000 troops."

490 Syrah  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:26:49pm

re: #488 song_and_dance_man

re: #486 Syrah

re: #475 song_and_dance_man

We need a shoe thread.

Sinatra. (The other one.)

Hullaballo. Watched it every week and saw this when it aired. Yes I have old shoes.

Time for some New Shoes

491 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:27:01pm

re: #473 Pro-Bush Canuck

So, is every Lizard on a plane right now or something?

re: #474 bikermailman

zoom zoom

You sound like a car commercial.

492 Syrah  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:28:21pm

re: #490 Syrah

re: #488 song_and_dance_man

re: #486 Syrah

re: #475 song_and_dance_man

We need a shoe thread.

Sinatra. (The other one.)

Hullaballo. Watched it every week and saw this when it aired. Yes I have old shoes.

Time for some New Shoes

oops, I meant these New Shoes.

493 bikermailman  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:30:26pm

re: #490 Syrah

re: #488 song_and_dance_man


re: #486 Syrah

re: #475 song_and_dance_man

We need a shoe thread.

Sinatra. (The other one.)

Hullaballo. Watched it every week and saw this when it aired. Yes I have old shoes.

Time for some New Shoes

The Cruel Shoes?

494 bikermailman  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:31:10pm

re: #491 NomadOfNorad

re: #473 Pro-Bush Canuck


So, is every Lizard on a plane right now or something?

re: #474 bikermailman

zoom zoom

You sound like a car commercial.

How'd you hear what was in my head?

495 Orde  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:31:59pm

re: #333 jaunte

re: #324 Orde

...explaining how to reconcile 2 Quranic commands that to him only appear contradictory...
...The reasoning behind it is fascinating (sickly so), just fascinating...

There is a point in reading the 'explanations' of these contradictions that I've begun to refer to mentally as the 'double-jointed' part of islamic thought.
"A thing is of course forbidden, except when it is, naturally, of course, excused."

No, nothing double-jointed here with Qutb. Entirely consistent system he's got going, it's just a different perspective and one it'd behoove us to understand given his influence.

496 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:33:45pm
497 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:34:34pm

re: #494 bikermailman

re: #491 NomadOfNorad

re: #473 Pro-Bush Canuck


So, is every Lizard on a plane right now or something?


re: #474 bikermailman


zoom zoom


You sound like a car commercial.

How'd you hear what was in my head?

Maybe I should change my nick to The Boy From Midwich! :D

498 bikermailman  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:37:41pm

re: #497 NomadOfNorad

re: #494 bikermailman


re: #491 NomadOfNorad

re: #473 Pro-Bush Canuck

So, is every Lizard on a plane right now or something?

re: #474 bikermailman

zoom zoom

You sound like a car commercial.

How'd you hear what was in my head?

Maybe I should change my nick to The Boy From Midwich! :D

Veerrryyy scarrryy story....

499 Syrah  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:37:59pm

re: #493 bikermailman

That brings back memories.

He did a show at my High School ages ago, about the time he was doing his King Tut routine.

500 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:40:46pm
501 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:41:04pm

re: #498 bikermailman

Veerrryyy scarrryy story....

Yeah, I've got the book, and the movie (the 1960s one, not the 1995 remake), plus the semi-sequel. The ending of the sequel was the one that haunted me for years though, not so much the first film.

502 Wookieelips  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:41:27pm

re: #493 bikermailman

OMG, shoes!

503 neocon hippie  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:43:22pm

OT:

I listened to the Sanity Squad podcast on the "family squabble".
Of the four psychobloggers, Siggy came out strongly in favor of Charles's position. The others were a bit more equivocal. Dymphna called in and gave her usual song and dance. There was a previous caller who was also quite vehement. After the podcast Dr. Sanity's side of a phone call with Siggy was inadvertently recorded. During which she suspected that the first caller was "Christine". She also referred to Fjordman being banned, felt sorry for Dymphna and Baron, wondered about Charles's behavior but came to no conclusions, but said that in principle she agreed with Charles's position and that the VB seemed very creepy to her. I imagine that she had no idea that the phone was being taped and was made available as part of the podcast; too late now.

504 bikermailman  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:47:18pm

re: #503 neocon hippie

OT:

I listened to the Sanity Squad podcast on the "family squabble".
Of the four psychobloggers, Siggy came out strongly in favor of Charles's position. The others were a bit more equivocal. Dymphna called in and gave her usual song and dance. There was a previous caller who was also quite vehement. After the podcast Dr. Sanity's side of a phone call with Siggy was inadvertently recorded. During which she suspected that the first caller was "Christine". She also referred to Fjordman being banned, felt sorry for Dymphna and Baron, wondered about Charles's behavior but came to no conclusions, but said that in principle she agreed with Charles's position and that the VB seemed very creepy to her. I imagine that she had no idea that the phone was being taped and was made available as part of the podcast; too late now.

Interesting....so, Dr Sanity seemed to stay fairly neutral? I've always enjoyed reading her stuff.

505 Moody Leo  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:48:28pm

Just read about this. I am so heartsick

506 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:50:59pm
507 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:51:37pm

Dead thread?

Well, at least it reached the 500th post before it sputtered out... :D Tho it was touch and go there for a bit. :)

508 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:53:17pm

re: #506 song_and_dance_man

New thread needed. I don't feel right posting humorously on such a tragic and atrocious story thread.

You got that right. We need a new thread. Something we can be totally light-hearted in, to help us clear the smell of death out of our heads...

509 Killian Bundy  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:53:53pm
510 bikermailman  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:54:48pm

re: #508 NomadOfNorad

re: #506 song_and_dance_man


New thread needed. I don't feel right posting humorously on such a tragic and atrocious story thread.

You got that right. We need a new thread. Something we can be totally light-hearted in, to help us clear the smell of death out of our heads...

We can always take things back to the previous thread. That one was full of fun. Leave a message for any newcomers to go over there.

511 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 9:59:38pm

re: #510 bikermailman

True, but if we do that, they'll miss finding out about the new thread when it arrives, because they'll be one thread removed from it. In any event, there'll be one here soon enough. Probably one of Charles' beloved Overnight Threads.

512 Carridine  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:00:29pm

re: #508 NomadOfNorad

You got that right. We need a new thread. Something we can be totally light-hearted in, to help us clear the smell of death out of our heads...

Nomad, I think EVERY adult should have to spend 10 minutes in the stench of decaying human bodies.

Ten minutes.

That's all, because that's enough to GET THE MESSAGE! There is something deeply hard-wired in living humans, that revolts at the smell of human death.

All who experienced that smell, that immersion in stench, that moment of REAL LIFE with REAL NON-LIFE, would have a good chance of dealing rationally with both death, death-dealers and life and life, after that experience.

/like food and earth, Nomad... too many now forget that it is soil that supports humans, not we who give life to the soil...

513 pat  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:00:57pm

Is Alan Colmes a professional dolt?

514 Carridine  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:03:10pm

and life and life

Gaahk! I had a network printer dialogue in my face 5 times while typing that sentence that sentence that sen
tence... :(

515 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:03:23pm
516 bikermailman  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:03:23pm

re: #513 pat

Is Alan Colmes a professional dolt?

Is that a rhetorical question?

517 Racer X  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:03:27pm

The world is spinning too fast
I'm buying lead Nike shoes
To keep myself tethered
To the days I try to lose

My mama said to slow down
You must make your shoes
Start dancing to the music
Of Gorillaz in a happy mood

Keep a mild groove on

518 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:04:16pm
519 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:04:31pm

re: #416 savage_nation

re: #408 6pat6

According to the Child Soldiers Global Report 2004, governments which used child soldiers in armed conflict between 2001 and 2004 were Burundi, Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), Chad, C©te D'Ivoire , Guinea, Liberia, Myanmar, Rwanda, Sudan, Uganda and the United States of America.

WTF? Gee, because we have 17-year-olds volunteer for military service (with parental consent), they qualify as kids, apparently.

Well, any report by the UN qualifies me to wad it up and wipe my ass with it.

I agree completely.

However, I looked up this report, and it appears that it wasn't spewed from the stinking hole of racism and corruption that is the UN. Rather, it originated from a London-based NGO called the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers. They're a multinational organization with numerous regional and national offices, and a central steering committee staffed by members of a variety of different peace groups and anti-Jewish organizations.

Indeed, the fact that the U.S. permits 17-year-olds to volunteer for service is what earns us entry into this illustrious list. That's despite the fact that very few recruits are still 17 by the time they finish their training, and several branches of service have detailed policies to prevent 17-year-olds from service in combat roles.

And by the way, you want to read a serious anti-Israel hate screed, check out this document's section on the "Occupied Palestinian Territories" (as if there were such a place).

520 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:05:24pm

re: #512 Carridine

Yes. I know.

/Curls up into a ball and starts rocking himself, keening, crying.

521 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:05:33pm
522 Carridine  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:08:58pm

re: #520 NomadOfNorad

I share the feeling, Nomad.

When the Christmas Tsunami hit, I spent 16 days with The Dead, in the southern Thailand sunshine...

I would KNOW that SMELL anywhere, and I cannot look lightly on death again, ever.

/the bags labeled, "Child, unknown nationality" hurt most...

523 neocon hippie  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:11:00pm

re: #504 bikermailman

re: #503 neocon hippie

OT:

I listened to the Sanity Squad podcast on the "family squabble".
Of the four psychobloggers, Siggy came out strongly in favor of Charles's position. The others were a bit more equivocal. Dymphna called in and gave her usual song and dance. There was a previous caller who was also quite vehement. After the podcast Dr. Sanity's side of a phone call with Siggy was inadvertently recorded. During which she suspected that the first caller was "Christine". She also referred to Fjordman being banned, felt sorry for Dymphna and Baron, wondered about Charles's behavior but came to no conclusions, but said that in principle she agreed with Charles's position and that the VB seemed very creepy to her. I imagine that she had no idea that the phone was being taped and was made available as part of the podcast; too late now.

Interesting....so, Dr Sanity seemed to stay fairly neutral? I've always enjoyed reading her stuff.

She said she didn't have a personal stake in one side or the other.

524 bikermailman  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:12:41pm

Sleep comes to drag me away....good night all.

525 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:15:03pm

re: #524 bikermailman

Sleep comes to drag me away....good night all.

Please try NOT to have bad, disturbing dreams... After this thread, that might be a tough thing to do.

526 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:15:05pm

Somebody should let Ed Mahmoud know that someone nickjacked him over at Gates of Vienna.

527 Carridine  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:15:57pm

FWIW:
By federal law (10 U.S.C., 505), the minimum age for enlistment in the United States Military is 17 (with parental consent) and the maximum age is 35 (Note: ...

Linkie

528 Wookieelips  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:18:04pm

Man, don't ever lick the batter of espresso brownies at midnight.
I'm never going to sleep now...

529 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:18:54pm
530 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:19:04pm

re: #528 Wookieelips

ROFL!

531 Carolyn  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:20:18pm

Such twisted people.
They do not follow the God of the Bible.
They do not believe in the 10 Commandments.
They do not believe in the Golden Rule (they see that as weakness)

532 Clemente  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:25:09pm

re: #514 Carridine

and life and life...

I thought it powerful and sublime, and would not change it a jot.

533 Mal' Rider  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:26:08pm

re: #519 Last Mohican

).

re: #519 Last Mohican

Good points LM, and I think we'd agree that America being listed among the nations using child soldiers (presumably because Americans can enlist at 17) is something like listing the nations that sponsor capital punishment. America is one, and so is Iran. Does that make America's system of justice and by extension, it's use of capital punushment morally equivilant to Irans?

/Not so much.

534 Mal' Rider  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:28:22pm

I' swear I'm gonna place one of those yellow sticky notes on my monitor that say's:

PIMF!

/punishment

535 realwest  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:33:52pm

re: #512 Carridine " too many now forget that it is soil that supports humans, not we who give life to the soil..."

Do we find the cost of Freedom,
laying in the Ground.
Mother Earth will Swallow You,
Lay your body down.

Do we find the cost of Freedom,
laying in the Ground.
Mother Earth will Swallow You,
Lay your body down.


Goodnight my friend.

536 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:37:08pm
537 Carridine  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:39:24pm

re: #532 Clemente

Well thanks, Clemente...

I had a lot of jangled feelings, new learnings and barely suppressed anger at the way that Act of God/Nature quickly revealed some deep, unpleasant realities:

1/ The Thai authorities were UNREADY for ANY disaster, let alone 7,000 dead in 24 hours;

2/ Thai authorities were UNWILLING to let qualified forensic pathologists take rational steps to identify the bodies quickly (while there were still fingerprints to be printed), SO the bodies soon became only identifiable by dental and DNA;

3/ There was a lot of showboating and media-whoring by too many; and

4/ Some $100,000,000 of charitable gifts poured into Thai banks, and to my knowledge is STILL THERE, providing windfall wealth and profits to an unworthy, numerically minuscule number of parasites!

/a delegation or two from Sweden and Denmark have come over, trying to get SOME BODIES back, and its been almost 3 years now...

538 Carridine  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:40:06pm

Good night, RealWest.

539 Syrah  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:44:30pm

re: #503 neocon hippie

OT:

I listened to the Sanity Squad podcast on the "family squabble".
Of the four psychobloggers, Siggy came out strongly in favor of Charles's position. The others were a bit more equivocal. Dymphna called in and gave her usual song and dance. There was a previous caller who was also quite vehement. After the podcast Dr. Sanity's side of a phone call with Siggy was inadvertently recorded. During which she suspected that the first caller was "Christine". She also referred to Fjordman being banned, felt sorry for Dymphna and Baron, wondered about Charles's behavior but came to no conclusions, but said that in principle she agreed with Charles's position and that the VB seemed very creepy to her. I imagine that she had no idea that the phone was being taped and was made available as part of the podcast; too late now.

I think that the unofficial after show remarks were far more eventful and clarifying than the official show was.

540 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:51:42pm
541 neocon hippie  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:53:15pm

re: #539 Syrah

re: #503 neocon hippie

OT:

I listened to the Sanity Squad podcast on the "family squabble".
Of the four psychobloggers, Siggy came out strongly in favor of Charles's position. The others were a bit more equivocal. Dymphna called in and gave her usual song and dance. There was a previous caller who was also quite vehement. After the podcast Dr. Sanity's side of a phone call with Siggy was inadvertently recorded. During which she suspected that the first caller was "Christine". She also referred to Fjordman being banned, felt sorry for Dymphna and Baron, wondered about Charles's behavior but came to no conclusions, but said that in principle she agreed with Charles's position and that the VB seemed very creepy to her. I imagine that she had no idea that the phone was being taped and was made available as part of the podcast; too late now.

I think that the unofficial after show remarks were far more eventful and clarifying than the official show was.

I wonder if Dr. Sanity has any idea that her side of the post-show telephone conversation got out.

542 Render  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:53:21pm

re: #539 Syrah

It was so interesting that I forgot to call somebody...

ULTRA
ENIGMA,
R

543 Syrah  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:56:38pm

re: #541 neocon hippie

I am sure that somebody must have called or sent word to them.

I would expect that they will edit the podcast pretty quickly.

544 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:56:44pm
545 Render  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 10:57:01pm

re: #541 neocon hippie

Caller #1 was calling from a Northern Virginia are code.

Caller #2 was calling from a Southern Virginia area code.

===

Yes, it's personal...and it's business.

IT'S
PERSONAL
BUSINESS,
R

546 konservo  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:00:05pm

re: #545 Render

I feel the same way. I am ashamed that the first rant came from a NoVa area-code.

547 Syrah  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:00:47pm

re: #543 Syrah

re: #541 neocon hippie

I am sure that somebody must have called or sent word to them.

I would expect that they will edit the podcast pretty quickly.

I see that she has already been sent word of it.

548 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:07:55pm

re: #547 Syrah

And her reaction was?

549 Syrah  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:11:16pm

In poker, there is an admonishment against "falling in love with your cards".

Sometimes you have to pay attention to what is happening with the other players, and weigh your cards against the action on the table. Even if you have invested more than you can afford into the pot, it is better to fold a losing hand, then to go all-in just because you have fallen in love with your cards.

Emotion is a poor adviser in both poker and in politics.

550 Render  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:11:27pm

re: #546 konservo

We might very well know who caller #1 is.

TECHNICAL
ECSTASY,
R

551 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:12:36pm

re: #549 Syrah

Very good point.

Well, I'm heading to bed...

552 Aylios  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:13:06pm

I'd say "Animals", except that no animal would ever do this.

553 Syrah  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:13:11pm

re: #548 NomadOfNorad

re: #547 Syrah

And her reaction was?

None that I can tell.

She may have signed off for the night.

I would expect her phone to be ringing off the hook soon.

554 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:19:50pm

re: #549 Syrah

Emotion is a poor adviser in both poker and in politics.

Which expresses exactly why I have reservations about Rudy. If only Fred Thompson would clean house, he'd once again have my support.

On legalizing drugs, specifically cannabis:

A guy I worked with several years ago pointed out that it isn't the safe or the lock-box you need to worry about when a pot-head breaks into your house. It's your refrigerator.

555 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:27:48pm

Oh, great. I killed the thread.

556 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:28:04pm
557 Syrah  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:28:15pm

re: #554 victor_yugo

All of the republican candidates (That Ron Paul thing does not count) have their good points and their bad points.

Rudy is not my first choice, but come next November, if Rudy's name is on the ballot, I will vote for him.

Voting for a politician is just that, voting for a politician. There are no saints in the race, not even among the ones with the R after their name.

We vote for the best of what is available.

The primary will be over for the R's before my state will have a say.

There is only one candidate running as a Republican that I would not vote for.

558 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:32:02pm

re: #556 ploome hineni

re: #554 victor_yugo

On legalizing drugs, specifically cannabis:

I always ask if you want the person who drives your kids to school or fixing your teeth, to be smoking cannabis

legally of course

I don't want them drinking booze, either. Nor do I want them hopped up on No-Doz.

559 Highrise  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:32:12pm

This is so tragic. These entries dealing with children just hurt to my core.

I can't imagine how it must feel to be the official that the bomb was intended for to know and see these details. I'd be crushed. The only thing that even remotely gives me a twinge of peace is that the baby is in heaven and the evil father who did this is being forced to tango at Satan's demand. Picked the wrong side didn't ya there pal. Bastard.

560 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:40:13pm
561 melinwy  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:40:36pm

re: #215 savage_nation

Times like this I wonder if there really is a God.

I think I'm losing my faith in humanity when I see shit like this.

I must comment ( I usually read and learn) it is not humanity we are to have faith in, it is G-d....always....G-d....

562 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:43:24pm
563 Elydo  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:44:59pm

I wasn't expecting this, but I'm hardly surprised. I've been holding off on telling anyone some of the ways these scum could actually be more effective in case it got to the wrong ears, but I guess this one's public domain now.

And before I get insulted, voicing the idea is intended to warn so that precautions can be taken, not to advocate.

But it occurred to me at the time of the liquid bomb threat to aircraft, that a baby's nappy would be a potential hiding place for a liquid or gel explosive that no-one would ever search. I really didn't think using a baby would be beyond these people, and I'm still appalled to be right. Remember though, that they believe any children killed in such attacks are automatically martyrs for Islam and go straight to Heaven, irrespective of Faith. Nevermind doing to their own, they'd do it to yours as well if they could. Another tactic I'm somewhat surprised they haven't done in areas they've been forced out of, as they've withdrawn.

564 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:46:10pm
565 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:48:58pm
566 Render  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:51:35pm

Humpf...

How nobody has asked what exactly VB and SD bring to the counter-jihadist table?

VB represents around 800,000 or so angry Flemings who want more than anything else to form a breakaway White Christian state called Flemland or something along those lines. (Note who provided "security" for the conference.) All of VB's upper leadership is utterly tainted with numerous well documented connections both to post war neo-nazi groups and to real wartime unrepentant nazi's.

SD represents somewhere around 2,500 seriously bi-polar Swedes. If they include their rabid openly nazi wing, ND, another 3,000 or so. If they drag in all the other tiny little Swedish neo-nazi groups they might make it to 7,000 total. Most of whom wouldn't follow Teddy the Beard's orders even if he paid them.

Whatever it is that they propose to bring too the table will never be enough to overcome the stigma of who and what they are.

The claim that "all Europeans have some nazi connections" is insulting. It's insulting to my intelligence. It's insulting to all of my European friends. And most of all, it's insulting to all those millions of Europeans, Americans, and even Russians that gave their lives fighting against, or were simply victims of the nazi's.

HIGH
GROUND,
R

567 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:55:59pm

re: #565 ploome hineni

and I don;t think it drinking and driving is allowed.

do you see some type of allowed cannabis blood level for your surgeon or dentist?

or bus driver?

Yeah. 2.6 on the Ripper Scale what's the problem?

'Sup? What are you doing up so late? I'm a vampire, so it's job related, but you? What time is it where you are, anyway? Where are you? Where am I?...Oh yeah, 2.6 on the Ripper Scale.

568 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 20, 2007 11:58:08pm
569 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:01:43am

re: #568 ploome hineni

re: #567 M. Bensson-Levi

I am tired

but I can;t sleep

:(

Smoke some dope.

570 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:03:50am

re: #564 ploome hineni

weren't we discussing cannabis?

The more general topic of legal(ized) drugs.

I'm all for legalizing any substance someone wants to ingest or inject, as long as no-permit conceal/carry is also declared federal law.

In other words, you are free to destroy your life any way you want. But the instant you try to destroy mine or that of someone I love, I reserve the right to stop you with all necessary force.

And I'll drive my kids to school, thanks anyway. (If/when I have any, that is...) I had too many bad experiences on the school bus, and I won't subject my own (someday) kids to the same.

571 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:04:45am
572 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:07:52am
573 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:10:32am
574 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:17:58am

re: #572 ploome hineni

re: #570 victor_yugo

you gonna do your own surgery also?

while smoking legal dope?

Funny you should mention that....

I could make any wild claim right here, and you probably wouldn't believe me. Maybe it will just suffice to say that the legal stuff makes the "self-administered periodic maintenance" easier to withstand.

As for getting hostile, don't worry about me doing that. What I said in #570 will probably never happen, anyway. Too many busybodies in the world.

575 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:21:34am

re: #571 ploome hineni

re: #569 M. Bensson-Levi

ever think why its called dope?

personally, I don;t like it

Why dope is called dope? Same reason herring is called herring, that's its name.

You're probably too tired for me to be pulling your leg like this ( no harassment intended or implied!).

Drugs have to be legalized in order to take the profit out of the business. Marijuana is essentially a harmless intoxicant that is grossly overpriced, and therefore a cash crop that kills some people, and incarcerates many, many more, quite needlessly.

Too meaty a topic to discuss this time of night. Hope you get some sleep. I'm going to lie down now in a bed of my native earth.

Lila Tov.

576 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:24:29am

re: #575 M. Bensson-Levi

Marijuana is essentially a harmless intoxicant that is grossly overpriced, and therefore a cash crop that kills some people, and incarcerates many, many more, quite needlessly.

And is definitely not something to get high on, while nursing a hangover, on a train, snaking through a mountain range.

Trust me on this.

577 freedomplow  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:34:31am

One Dictator strokes another

Venezuela's Chavez warns Europeans not to side with US on Iran nuclear standoff (because Chavez wants to be a dictator too).
Chavez warns Europeans?
Haven't you had enough of all the dictators in the world telling you what to do?

Freedomplow to Europe... Hugo Chavez is a enemy of freedom.

578 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:35:45am

Good Morning Dead Thread!

I guess when Golda Meir said that there would be peace when the Pali's love their own children more than they hate ours, she didn't realize that the rest of Islam is also like the Pali's. I didn't realize that (as is apparently the case) Bhutto is secular and Musharaf is religious.

In the meantime, here in Israel people are asking whether a demonstration is the answer to Annapolis.

579 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:40:17am

re: #550 Render

re: #546 konservo

We might very well know who caller #1 is.

TECHNICAL
ECSTASY,
R

In the post-podcast call to Siggy, Dr. Sanity suspected that caller #1 was "Christine"

Caller #2 was Dymphna

580 victor_yugo  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:40:29am

re: #577 freedomplow

Haven't you had enough of all the dictators in the world telling you what to do?

Remember the immortal words of His Majesty the King Juan Carlos I of Spain:

"Por que no te callas?" ("Why don't you shut up?")

Now available as a ringtone for your cell phone!

581 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:43:15am

re: #565 ploome hineni

and I don;t think it drinking and driving is allowed.

do you see some type of allowed cannabis blood level for your surgeon or dentist?

or bus driver?

Can't be done. Usage from weeks earlier can cause a cannabis test to come out positive.

582 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:51:29am

re: #547 Syrah

re: #543 Syrah

re: #541 neocon hippie

I am sure that somebody must have called or sent word to them.

I would expect that they will edit the podcast pretty quickly.

I see that she has already been sent word of it.

Actually, the podcast took place Monday evening, and as of this moment it has not been edited. As Dr. Sanity mentioned in the inadvertently broadcast phone call, she flew to California today. I suspect nobody involved has any idea what happened.

583 freedomplow  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 12:59:47am

Did socialized health-care have anything to do with Princess Dianna dying?

584 freedomplow  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 1:12:46am

Questions seem so repugnant sometimes.

I want an answer...

Did socialized health-care have anything to do with Princess Dianna dying?

585 freedomplow  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 1:15:18am

There were no emergency doctors in the operating room.

Why?

Were they home?

At lunch?

On vacation?

Happy hour?

586 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 1:23:40am
587 freedomplow  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 1:39:27am

Murtha...

This war cannot be won militarily.

Who in the hell do you think is doing all the work?

Would someone please sue his ass off.

588 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:00:19am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------->
Help yourselves!

589 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:04:51am

re: #588 littleoldlady

Good morning
*Um* tastes good

590 freedomplow  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:05:35am

All you Darrel's ats knock it off.

Somehow it gets all riled up.

And it's not worth it.

Stop it.

Thank you.

New guy.

This is not something that you need to do.

And it is certainly not something that most people here care about.

I have no click.

591 freedomplow  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:07:51am

Wouldn't it be great if we could all fight for the same thing?

We are.

592 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:13:07am

VIA! :-)

Good...where are you? Still in Japan? Should I FedEx some turkey?

593 freedomplow  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:14:12am

300 years after the Deceleration of Independence...

Everyone will live free.

Make it happen!

595 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:16:21am

re: #592 littleoldlady

VIA! :-)

Good...where are you? Still in Japan? Should I FedEx some turkey?

Hey there....
I'm in Okinawa for about another 18 hours, and then flying up to where we normally stay.

I plan to suck as much turkey as I can through the telephone when I talk to my wife and son on turkey day.
But thanks for asking.

How's thing?

596 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:19:27am

re: #594 Carl in Jerusalem

This is like watching a frikkin' train wreck, complete with blood, gore and twisted metal. I don't know how you do it, Carl. I know I can't.

:-(

597 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:20:44am

re: #595 Village Idiot's Apprentice

It should be illegal to have as much fun as I'm having.

;-)

598 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:21:26am

Hey...it's off to fold laundry and hunt and kill something to eat.
BBIAB

599 jas88  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:22:06am

Repeat after me:

"Religion of peace". No, doesn't quite sound right...

"Religion of peaceblowing others to pieces". There, fixed that for ya GWB!

600 equable  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:22:09am

Well at least the poor child is back with the one true God, instead of growing up to be corrupted into worshiping Baal with the rest of the moozles.

601 Confuzed  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:29:29am

How can one reason with a group of people who consider it their religious duty to kill non-believers of that religion?

If they are willing to happily sacrifice themselves, their mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, and even their infant sons and daughters - it appears that we Infidels are left with little choice in dealing with them.

602 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:45:42am

re: #596 littleoldlady

re: #594 Carl in Jerusalem

This is like watching a frikkin' train wreck, complete with blood, gore and twisted metal. I don't know how you do it, Carl. I know I can't.

:-(

I went to bed last night at 3:20 and got up this morning at 5:00 because I couldn't calm down after reading that. Wait until you hear what's coming today....

603 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:53:32am

Carl,

I now consider that when I Shalu Shalom Yerushalayim, I am in fact praying for the demise of people like Olmert, GWB and Condi.

604 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 2:57:15am

Good morning, Lizards.

Carl in Jerusalem, forgive me for criticizing the leader of your country, but I just don't understand his choice. I will continue to pray for justice and peace for Israel.

605 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:02:46am

re: #602 Carl in Jerusalem

I have 2 ideas...

1. Have the opposition (there IS opposition in Israel, ISN'T THERE?!) declare that whatever agreements Olmert makes at Annapolis will not be valid when the new government takes office.

2. Have Olmert declared legally insane.

That's all I got.

:-(

606 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:06:27am
I decided to check this out as best I could and examined the rainfall data for 150 years in Israel beginning in the early 1800s and leading up to the 1960s. What I found was astonishing – increasing rainfall almost every single year – with the heaviest rainfall coming in and around 1948 and 1967.

I guess I will also be praying for record rainfall for the coming year.

607 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:20:05am

Anagram for Annapolis

A plan is on

608 gettinby  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:22:25am

Hello and good morning everyone!

Who is really going to show up to Annapolis?

The invitations to next week's Middle East peace conference are out and like a nervous host, the Bush administration is waiting for RSVPs, wondering who will show up and whether they'll get along.

After months of intense diplomacy, the White House and State Department announced on Tuesday that the talks would take place next Monday through Wednesday in Washington and Annapolis, Md., aimed at launching the first Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations in seven years.

But aside from the dates and a cursory schedule, much remains uncertain, including exactly which of the 49 invitees will attend and at what level, and what they will accomplish.

609 BulgarWheat  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:25:47am

As I live and breath, I can't for the life of me understand this summit in Annapollis.
Why would anyone expect any different outcome than in past pander-summits.
One side gives up land, the other sides straps on bombs and seethes, then bombs some more.
Condi thinks she's reaching for the Gold Ring, but she's only pulling the pin on a hand grenade.

/bulgar out.

610 Spiritualized  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:26:08am

This is what the West should've been doing for the past six years, not wasting time and money trying to marry Islam with democracy:

Energy Victory

There is a way to break OPEC, and it is surprisingly simple. What is needed is for the US congress to pass a law mandating that all new cars SOLD (not made, but sold) in the USA be flex fueled -- which is to say able to run on any combination of alcohol or gasoline fuel. These cars are existing technology -- in fact about 24 different models of flex fuel cars are being produced by the Detroit big three this year, and they only cost about $100 more than the same car in a gasoline-only version. But they only command about 3% of the new car market, because there is little upside to a consumer in owning one, since alcohol fuel pumps (such as E85, a fuel mix that is 85% ethanol, 15% gasoline) are nearly are rare as unicorns. And the reason, of course, why E85 pumps are not to be found is that gas station owners don't want to dedicate one of their pumps to a kind of fuel that only a few percent of the cars can use. But if we had a flex fuel mandate, then within three years of enactment there would be 50 million cars on the road in the USA capable of running on high-alcohol fuels, and under those conditions, E85 and M50 (a 50% methanol, 50% gasoline fuel mix -- flex fuel cars can use any alcohol, including methanol) pumps would start appearing everywhere.

But most importantly, this would not just be happening here in the USA, but worldwide, since by mandating that all new cars sold here had to be flex fuelled, we would be forcing all the foreign car manufacturers to switch their lines to flex fuel as well, effectively making flex fuel the international standard.

So not only would there 50 million cars in the USA within 3 years capable of running on alcohol, there would be hundreds of millions worldwide, forcing gasoline to compete everywhere against alcohol fuels that can be produced from numerous sources. This would effectively break the vertical monopoly that the oil cartel currently holds on the world's fuel supply

611 American Soldier  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:26:47am

re: #604 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Carl in Jerusalem, forgive me for criticizing the leader of your country, but I just don't understand his choice. I will continue to pray for justice and peace for Israel.

My buddy and I came up with a theory of Israeli politics in 1976, while working in Jerusalem. A lot of the vatikim of the time spoke Hebrew as a second language. None of them spoke it well, but they were all convinced that they were eloquent. As a result of non-stop misunderstanding layered upon a parliamentary template, you have the penultimate failure of Israeli politics- Olmert. The next voice you hear will be speaking arabic.


Israeli politics in action:

In 1974, the IAF assembled a test team for choosing an air dominance plane that would ensure the IAF's superiority over the Arab air forces for years to come. The candidates were the F-14 and the F-15, both of which were flown in the US by IAF pilots, who tested maneuverability, weapons systems and flight characteristics. The test team decided unanimously that the F-15 was a better plane, and one that could determine the shape of the battle and attain victory against every type of plane in the Arab arsenals. In July 1976, the F-15 Squadron's founding crew was sent to a retraining course in the US. The crew was headed by the man chosen to lead the squadron, now-General (res.) Eytan Ben-Eliyahu - who was IAF Commander. On December 10th 1976 the first Baz (as they were already called) planes arrived in Israel. The fact that they landed on Friday evening, after the start of the Sabbath, caused a political crisis that toppled the first Rabin government and lost the Labor Party political power in Israel for the first time ever.

[Link: www.israeli-weapons.com...]
I was standing on a Jerusalem street when those planes arrived. The pilots put on a brief display of aerobatics over the City. It was glorious. On Yom Rishon, the government fell.

612 BulgarWheat  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:32:03am

Looks like the Syrian's and Saudi's are attending the Annapolis summit. When, well now I feel better.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

/sarc

613 Mr Krabs  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:32:39am

Yeah, but European neo-nazis are just as dangerous.

614 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:32:44am

re: #611 American Soldier

I remember that account form the BBQ.

615 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:42:50am

Well, Lizards, I have to get ready for parent conferences today. If we don't get a chance to say hi to each other tomorrow, have a blessed, peaceful Thanksgiving.

616 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:48:56am
617 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:52:47am

What a defference a year makes;

The cost of Thanksgiving dinner is up 12%

The cost of motor fuel/home fuel is up 33+%

Call it 20% inflation for piddling items like food and fuel.

In other news PSII and Louie Viton designer bag prices decline, keeping inflation at an annualized 3%.

Aren't gummint inflation formulas a wonderful thang?

618 American Soldier  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:54:15am

re: #614 BenZacharia

re: #611 American Soldier

I remember that account form the BBQ.


American-made fighters- the sound of freedom.

A few weeks ago, I was helping shift some gear from the airport to the Army Reserve Center. We delayed the detail in order to watch Navy's Hornets fly overhead just prior to Navy trouncing Notre Dame. We were standing on the edge of the taxiway as the Hornets returned. Mondo cool. Like being on a flight deck, without the roll.
I was indoors with the grandkids the next week, when Air Force repeated the show. Oh, well.

619 Earthwirm  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 3:58:01am

Interesting turn of events:

[Link: www.startribune.com...]

Six Muslim imams arrested on a U.S. Airways jet in Minneapolis last November after a passenger raised suspicions about their pre-flight prayers and boarding activities won an early victory Tuesday in their federal lawsuit against the airline and the Metropolitan Airports Commission.

620 American Soldier  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:01:00am

Hornet art:
"FREEDOM'S GUARDIAN ANGEL : FA-18 BLUE ANGELS"
[Link: www.auroraartcompany.com...]

621 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:01:04am

Life has no meaning to these people...it is cheap and not worth living.

622 Tigger2005  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:02:11am

Jesus weighs in on child bombing:

"Screw them, Father, for they know exactly what they are doing."

623 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:05:15am

re: #619 Earthwirm

At least, after a very brief skimming of the article, it seems to just be a ruling to allow the case to proceed. It still doesn't mean that they can prove their tale of woe and win the case.

624 Tigger2005  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:06:41am

re: #619 Earthwirm

Interesting turn of events:

[Link: www.startribune.com...]

Six Muslim imams arrested on a U.S. Airways jet in Minneapolis last November after a passenger raised suspicions about their pre-flight prayers and boarding activities won an early victory Tuesday in their federal lawsuit against the airline and the Metropolitan Airports Commission.

How's this a "turn of events"? It's a shame the lawsuit wasn't dismissed, true, to discourage more of this crap ... but they are still going to lose.

625 American Soldier  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:07:06am

re: #619 Earthwirm

Interesting turn of events:

[Link: www.startribune.com...]


Six Muslim imams arrested on a U.S. Airways jet in Minneapolis last November after a passenger raised suspicions about their pre-flight prayers and boarding activities won an early victory Tuesday in their federal lawsuit against the airline and the Metropolitan Airports Commission.............
Montgomery, considering the evidence in the light most favorable to the plaintiffs, said the facts they alleged "support the existence of an unconstitutional custom of arresting individuals without probable cause based on their race.".............



It's not race, it's behavior, stupid!

It is a source of constant wonder to me that you don't see more legislators and jurists swinging from lampposts in this country.

626 ciaospirit  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:07:24am

re: #619 Earthwirm

Interesting turn of events:

[Link: www.startribune.com...]

Six Muslim imams arrested on a U.S. Airways jet in Minneapolis last November after a passenger raised suspicions about their pre-flight prayers and boarding activities won an early victory Tuesday in their federal lawsuit against the airline and the Metropolitan Airports Commission.


And CAIR rejoices:

CAIR WELCOMES ‘PRELIMINARY VICTORY’ IN IMAMS’ SUIT AGAINST AIRLINE
Federal judge’s ruling calls U.S. Airways/MAC defense ‘dubious’

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 11/20/2007) The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) welcomed a ruling today by a federal judge in Minnesota that rejected almost all of the arguments made by U.S. Airways and the Metropolitan Airports Commission in the case of six imams, or Islamic religious leaders, removed from a flight last year in Minneapolis, then arrested and denied further service.

In her 41-page ruling and order, U.S. District Judge Ann Montgomery said the question of whether airport officers had probable cause for the actions taken against the imams must be determined by the facts available at the time.

Montgomery termed "dubious" the often-repeated allegation that the imams were intent on interfering with the flight. According to the judge, the plaintiffs have a plausible claim that their constitutional rights were violated.

627 Tigger2005  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:08:42am

re: #626 ciaospirit

U.S. District Judge Ann Montgomery

Moonbat Clinton appointee?

628 American Soldier  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:08:45am

re: #626 ciaospirit

Hey- missed ya at the last BBQ. How are you?

629 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:08:51am
Read this WorldNetDaily article. Here we have example after example of how Islamists have penetrated our homeland security and intelligence establishment as ‘double agents’. We had been an early advocate for both investigation and reform of the so-called strategic language programs and the indiscriminate hiring of Islamists at the FBI/CIA/EPA and the contractor linguist programs of the US Army Intelligence and Security Command’s
billion dollar boondoggle that lead to intelligence disasters in Iraq and here.

If Congress, the White house, Pentagon and the Intelligence Community weren’t so obsessed with being politically correct since 9/11, the recent Prouty and Tahseen cases involving ‘pipelines’ to Hezbollah and al Qaeda wouldn’t have occurred. Why? Because our government routinely turns down talented linguists and analysts who are not Muslims and constitute a vast reservoir of loyal talent. And why does this occur? Because, they are screened by Arab Muslim recruiters who deny their qualifications, and/or the qualifications adopted are overly restrictive. All

[Link: blog.americancongressfortruth.com...]

630 ciaospirit  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:10:52am

And while CAIR is rejoicing, they didn't forget to throw in a dose of "blame Israel."

CAIR: Peace Burden on Israel at Annapolis Conference

The much-anticipated Annapolis peace conference apparently has shrunk to a one-day affair, to be held next Tuesday at the Naval Academy.

A spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Ibrahim Hooper, told The Capital that responsibility for peace rests with Israel.

"Unless the Israelis are serious about promoting justice for the Palestinian people and about freedom from occupation, I don't see much coming out of the conference," Mr. Hooper said.

631 ciaospirit  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:12:43am

re: #628 American Soldier

re: #626 ciaospirit

Hey- missed ya at the last BBQ. How are you?

Missed seein' everybody, too. I'm good. How's about you?

632 David IV of Georgia  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:13:32am

Unfortunately, using a baby as a bomb seems consistent with what I know of Islam. Some people are always trying to make Islam look better with the argument that "Islam is no worse than ———." The fact that they have to compare Islam with the worst parts of other ideologies and religions to try to make it look better is telling in itself. It is in fact worse.

There are good people that have been burdened with this horrible faith by birth, ignorance, and bad fortune—they are the moderates and nominal Muslims that try to make Islam better than it is, different from what it is—a misanthropic (human-hating) ideology.

633 ciaospirit  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:14:30am

CAIR is very busy this week.

CAIR: Buy Tickets for DC Premiere of 'USA vs. Al-Arian'

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today urged people of conscience to attend the Washington, D.C., premiere of the documentary film "USA vs. Al-Arian," which the civil rights group is co-sponsoring on December 5, 2007, at the AMC/Loews Uptown 1 Theater.

The film follows the arrest and trial of Sami Al-Arian, a Florida university professor accused of supporting a terrorist organization. For more than two years, Dr. Al-Arian was held in solitary confinement, denied basic privileges and given limited access to his attorneys.

The screening will be followed by a panel discussion featuring the film's director, lawyers and a juror from the trial, and a member of the Al-Arian family among others.

634 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:15:26am
Hmmm: If Only the Dutch . . .


By Debbie Schlussel

. . . Fought as hard for the life of Anne Frank (and the other Jews they let the Nazis take to slaughter) as they fight for the life of her . . . tree?!

Yup, the Dutch have their priorities straight. Go green, baby!

She was murdered by the Nazis in Bergen Belsen Concentration Camp (in Germany), the last camp in which my grandparents were imprisoned and worked (and where my mother was born after the war). My grandfather told me he remembered her, beyond emaciated and dying.

Remember - In the Netherlands: Trees, direly important. Jews, not so much.

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

635 BenZacharia  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:17:12am

TTFN™, Things to do, people to annoy.

I wish everybody a happy and safe Thanksgiving.

/In case I don't make it to the threads before dinner.

636 gettinby  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:18:09am

Seattle Times: Newspapers Are Guardians of Truth, Internet Just 'Rumors'

Last Sunday, from the pen of editorial page editor of the Seattle Times James Vesely, we got a pretty good indication of why the new media of the Internet is so swiftly taking over the traditional role of the old, dead tree media. One word describes it; arrogance. It is an arrogance of the assumed supremacy of the old media and the air of entitlement that it holds dear. It is the presumption that what they write is "truth," that newspapers are the arbiters of that truth, and that journalists are "democracy" personified and that without them we are naught but a "banana republic." And it is the sneering, discountenance with which they look upon the reading public as the great unwashed that has finally caught up with them. However, some are beginning to notice it and unless the dead tree media realizes this truth staring them in the face, they truly are a doomed industry.

/you rumormongers you! LOL

637 American Soldier  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:19:42am

re: #631 ciaospirit

re: #628 American Soldier


re: #626 ciaospirit

Hey- missed ya at the last BBQ. How are you?


Missed seein' everybody, too. I'm good. How's about you?

Maintaining. Middle-aged. Morose.
Right now trying to pull some reports to together for an IG investigation. I keep forgetting to stop volunteering.

638 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:22:35am
Are apparel manufacturers and retailers deliberately selling sports-themed clothes with gang colors and symbols?

In August, Major League Baseball’s official cap manufacturer said yesterday that it would stop selling headwear bearing the colors and symbols of three gangs — the Bloods, the Crips and the Latin Kings — after activists protested the sale of the caps at retail stores in East Harlem.

Two white Yankee caps made by the New Era Cap Company were wrapped with red and blue bandannas — colors associated with the Bloods and Crips — and a black Yankee cap was embroidered with a crown, symbolic of the Latin Kings. The Yankees said in a statement that they were unaware of the caps’ gang symbolism and had no influence on the design. “The New York Yankees oppose any garment that may be associated with gangs or gang-related activity,” the team said.

[Link: www.knowgangs.com...]

639 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:22:57am
640 ciaospirit  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:25:02am

re: #637 American Soldier

I keep forgetting to stop volunteering.

You better cut that shit out. People are going to think you're nice or sumpthin'.

Off to work. Have a good one, Soldier. And thanks for taking care of America.

641 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:31:57am
A Venezuelan TV journalist watched in shock as his guest, a politican from President Chavez's party, destroyed his studio and repeatedly attacked him for having offended her dead son.

642 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:36:45am
643 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:38:04am

Good Morning Lizardim! 46 degrees in the greater metropolitan Doraville area, going up to 75 likely.

Heard from RealWest this morning, who has a doctor's appointment and will likely not be joining us this morning.

From this morning's WSJ, nothing we didn't already know, but worth restating anyway, frequently, to all who have ears:

The Perils of Engagement: The U.S. can't prevent the Palestinians and their Arab backers from making poor choices.


When Israel withdrew from all of Gaza in 2005, the Arab world had the opportunity for a fresh start there--to create a measure of hope for a population whose suffering long predated any Israeli presence. Instead of taking advantage of the opportunity, the Hamas-dominated Palestinian leadership opted to begin and then intensify an aggressive missile-launching campaign against Israeli civilian centers.

This choice in turn has led to Hamas's international isolation, and conditions in Gaza have grown steadily worse for Palestinians there. For its part, the Arab world has in essence stood by and permitted this to occur, and has once again remained unwilling to place the actual welfare of Palestinians ahead of its desire to stir opposition to Israel.

However significant the role of the U.S. is in nurturing political settlements of international disputes, it simply cannot prevent the Palestinian leadership and its Arab backers from making extraordinarily poor choices or, in President Clinton's parlance, "tragic mistakes." There is a marked tendency on the part of most of the world to cite the Bush administration's lack of "engagement" as the principal stumbling block to peace. It isn't. As for the Arab world, there is an even more pronounced habit of fingering the U.S. as the party which has the means at its disposal to bring about a Middle Eastern settlement, or at least conditions favorable to a settlement. If the past is any indication, the U.S. does not ultimately possess those means. The Arab world does.

Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries, whose treasuries overflow with petrodollars, are in a position to invest heavily in the Gaza Strip, create economic opportunities for its destitute population, and dilute the toxin-filled atmosphere there. They have not done so.

The Egyptians are in a position to act decisively to stop the flow of rockets, bombs and other arms from Egypt into Gaza, where they are used to attack Israeli civilians. They have not done so.

Europe and Russia, whose lucrative contracts with Iran provide them with such enviable revenues, have been in a position to pressure Tehran into stopping the funding of Hezbollah, which assaults Israel from Lebanon, and Hamas, which assaults Israel from Gaza. They have not done so.

Under the circumstances, one might imagine that those in a position to dramatically improve the situation in the Middle East--but who have chosen by their inaction to worsen it--might feel sheepish about placing the onus for the absence of Middle East peace on the U.S. The only thing in shorter supply than sheepishness when it comes to the Middle East, however, is helpfulness. As far as helpfulness is concerned, it is past time for those who complain most about the lack of American "engagement" to begin providing some.

644 st_james  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:38:27am

Shocked! I'm shocked I tell you!

I'm shocked that anyone was surprised by this, after all, it makes perfect sense. Now daddy and his baby are living happily with their god in paradise. ( Unless the baby was a girl, in which case, Ol' Mo and daddy are probably playing 'Hide the Salami' with her right now. - But I digress.
If these sub-humans could figure out a way to put a bomb vest on a fetus, they would do it! If these sub-humans can figure out a way to put bomb vests on the dirty kuffar children, they will do it. Think of the most depraved thing you can think of and they will do that times ten. Barbaric savages is what they are.

There is only ONE solution to this problem. What is it going to take to reach that tipping point? Anyone?

645 formercorpsman  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:38:37am

Obviously late to the thread, as always seems to be the case as of late.

Depressing.

Western civilization has a long road ahead of her, especially when those in charge of seeing her in to the future can't/won't identify evil, and our news media spends 24 hour energy on Larry Craig, but I will not hear one metion of this in the msm.

Thank you new media, thank you Jammie, thank you Charles.

646 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:39:37am

re: #645 formercorpsman

There was some very good discussion on this last night -- worth going back over and reconsidering.

647 Pyrocles  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:43:14am

Using infants as bombs is despicable and sickening indictment of a wacked-out culture. According to the jihadist belief system of the infant's father, the infant's soul will go straight to Paradise if it dies during jihad. This father believes he will be doing his infant the biggest favor he possibly can.

One of the reasons Al Queda has no qualms about killing innocents of all ages - if they're good Muslims who die as collateral damage, they go straight to Paradise anyway. If they're infidels, then they're doing Allah a favor and sending them to Hell where they belong.

648 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:51:30am

HAPPY THANKSGIVING LIZZZZARDS.


Oh, and "tommylotto" is a liberal. there's no other excuse for it.

ThAt is all.

649 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:53:22am

Oh I forgot to say.......(about the topic at hand) - are we really surprised at this? I'm not. Not in the least. Evil knows no end.

650 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:54:57am

the new comment button is broken.

651 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:56:26am

/* looks around.....


hmmm.....looks like everyone on the west coast is still asleep....


now, where is that cookie jar....

DOH...--lamp- - who put that there?

ok, light switch....

/flicks on light - liberals scamper away under baseboards....


ah HA! the cookie jar calleth......

/* CrrrrRRuuuNNNCChhhh!

652 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:56:52am

what's the record for posts in a row?

653 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:57:28am

...and who holds it? probably taxfreekilla......hmm...

i hope we have ham tomorrow.

654 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:57:46am
655 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:58:06am

i'm gonna say " in Jesus' name " at the end of the prayer.........beore I eat ham.


ham is good. it's like steak but softer.

656 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 4:58:45am

I KNEW IT! I knew you would disrupt my record setting run! :)

MORNIN' MR. TAxfreekiller! :) HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU.

657 TimeQuake  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:00:47am

Wishing all a blessed and family/friend filled Thanksgiving.

11-20-07

Thankful to Whom?

Some atheists argue that it is inappropriate to thank a "God" who does not exist. And, they acknowledge that it is less than satisfying to thank the Law of Gravity or the Second Law of Thermodynamics for all they have made possible for us. Hence, they argue, we should thank "goodness—the wonderful fabric of excellence created by individuals working together in human civilization to make this planet a better place." But does this really make sense? If the world is merely a product of random chance, if there is no Creator and no transcendent morality, can there be such a thing as "good"? And if this "wonderful fabric of excellence" is simply the result of cosmic accident, then is any thanks owed?

The sad reality of our secular society is that, while we retain many of our traditions, they are increasingly losing their meaning. Many "feel" thankful, but they have nothing to thank. Over time, as they continue to live out the logic of their position, they will eventually stare blankly into the abyss, their only feeling being one of despair.

Thankfully, I still know who to thank for my blessings. And for those of you who also know, I extend a hearty, "Happy Thanksgiving!"

658 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:00:54am

hamnation. hmmm...ham and beans and mashed taters. Mmmm. and cranberry out of a can. just like mom used to make it. :)

and FRIED OKRA. and CORNBREAD. real cornbread, not that sweet stuff yankees think is cornbread.

659 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:02:11am

re: #648 Owl

I was waiting to see how long you could keep going ...

And what's with the TommyLotto thing? Did I miss something?

660 Spiritualized  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:04:28am

Olmert needs to go, now.

Overriding IDF and Shin Bet objections, Olmert approves arming Palestinian West Bank forces with 50 Russian APCs, 1000 rifles and 2 million bullets

DEBKAfile’s military sources report that the armored personnel carriers which can carry 10 fighters were promised Mahmoud Abbas by Russian president Vladimir Putin. Whichever of the models supplied - the BTR-60PB, BTR-70 or BTR-80 – these combat vehicles are armed with turret heavy machine gun mounts designed to hit ground and low-flying air targets. The 14.5-mm large caliber KPVT machine guns and coaxial 7.62-mm PKT machine gun, with a traverse of 360 degrees, mounted on each turret, make this APC a highly mobile anti-air unit for attacking low-flying targets at a range of up to 2,000 meters.

661 USA  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:04:44am

re: #87 Bearster

re: #77 USA
....

Please, let's leave the moral equivalence game to the professional media, OK?

The moral equivalence game is used to excuse conduct. I have done the opposite. All infanticide is evil, even when conducted by a licensed doctor in a sterile environment.

re: #100 mad_scientist

...Also, from what I understand, the abortion topic is not really debated to much around these parts, no matter what side of the fence you are on.....leads to some nasty threads....just fyi.....

The topic creates extreme cognitive dissonance in many, because of the barbarity of the practice.

re: #110 Mich-again

... I doubt that a single person's opinion about that topic was ever changed based on any online debate.

I respectfully disagree. When I was younger, I was tolerant of the practice. Raising a family, losing a child to cancer, and reading and debating the issue has caused me to no longer excuse the practice.

re: #116 song_and_dance_man

... Although I think abortion is despicable and abhorrent, there is a distinct difference between the death of an unborn child a parent who takes a child to an abortionist and a father who takes a born child and kills not only the child but others in a cultish manner.


With that change, I agree with you. I, too, pointed out as effects other innocent people, there is a difference. As effects, the child ... not much.

re: #103 Racer X

Oh ferfuckssake. Do we have to have this argument now?


It can wait. Only 1.3 million+ abortions in USA each year.

re: #117 JammieWearingFool

This is not the place for that agenda.


Labeling a fact you disagree with an agenda does not change the fact. I know many here would be much more comfortable if the issue was ignored.
re: #127 savage_nation

Folks, this is MASS MURDER on another scale.

True, actually, a smaller scale.
re: #141 DistantThunder

It's always appropriate to talk about the lack of respect of human life including abortion when talking about the deliberate murder of children.

Agreed.

I feel strongly about children -- all children. Especially the most vulnerable. I don't give anyone a pass on destroying human life for convenience. If that is "an agenda" that has no place here, I won't let the door hit me on the way out.

662 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:04:52am

re: #658 Owl

Fried Okra is probably about the only vegetable the kids will always eat.
But the key question: breaded or not?

663 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:04:57am

Morning folks,

Wow, this really is the dead thread. Same one I last saw Tuesday evening.

No work today, but assorted errands to run and will be trying to get it all done by early afternoon to avoid the pre-Thanksgiving traffic crush.

Happy Thanksgiving to all Lizards!

664 gettinby  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:05:09am

re: #657 TimeQuake

TimeQuake!

Happy Thanksgiving to you, too.

How goes the Kel-Tec?

665 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:05:23am

re: #659 Lucius Septimius


Nope. I'm sorry....I don't normally do that, but you know sometimes you just have to get something off your chest. I work in an office all by myself, so there's no one to blow off steam with.

"tommylotto" is a poster on hot air. they don't open registration, ever - and he's supposedly a Rudy supporter - but the guy is so vile and angry and acid-spewing to anyone that disagrees with him, that i just wanted to say he was something bad. Liberal was the worst I could think of. :)

and yeah! I'm glad I entertained someone while goin' for the record. I wonder what it is. . . . . we'll probably never know( or it's 4 and i just set it. ;) hahah )

666 Widow'smight  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:06:36am

re: #658 Owl

Maybe that's why the Civil War was fought, we wanted to steal your Cornbread recipe! Geez, and to think I've been eating homemade Pasta, sauce and Meatballs all these years when I could have moved down south and got REAL cornbread.

667 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:07:41am
I guess it’s noteworthy when George Soros singles you out for attack.[1] On the other hand, when you have been targeted by as many leftists as I have, one more billionaire doesn’t make much difference. These assaults have been inspired by my efforts to organize an “Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week,” whose goal was to identify America’s enemies as more than just “terrorists,” and specifically to link them to a radical movement within Islam, which has declared war on the West. One salutary aspect of the Week is to have exposed the breadth of the coalition that now functions as a frontier guard for our enemies. Members of this coalition are apparently determined to run interference for America’s enemies, because, in their view, a greater danger to America is posed by conservatives such as myself and George Bush.


According to Soros, Bush has made up the war on terror, and thereby created the terrorist threat. In a notable article titled “A Self-Defeating War,” Soros wrote: “A misleading figure of speech applied literally has unleashed a real war fought on several fronts -- Iraq, Gaza, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Somalia -- a war that has killed thousands of innocent civilians and enraged millions around the world.... We can escape it only if we Americans repudiate the war on terror as a false metaphor.”[2] As a principal funder of the Democratic Party, Soros is probably the inspiration for Nancy Pelosi’s claim that the terrorists are only in Iraq because we are there and will leave when we do, and is certainly behind John Edwards’ suggestion that the war on terror is a “political bumper sticker” and the way to fight the terrorists is to treat them as individual criminals rather than members of a fanatical religious movement with tens of millions of adherents

[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

668 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:09:29am
669 TimeQuake  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:09:35am

re: #664 gettinby

And a Happy Thanksgiving to you, gettinby.

Bad thing at the range. Someone put another bullet in someone's house and the range was permanently closed. I didn't get many details. The range supervisor simply said it would cost 1/2 million to fix the range and the last money the 4-H spends is on the range. So me and my "friends" sulk. LOL

670 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:09:37am

Obama wants to "help" the public education system.

I'll fix education errors, Obama says

MANCHESTER, N.H. — Presidential contender Barack Obama on Tuesday called for a $18 billion education plan that he said would fix mistakes his chief Democratic rivals made when they approved President Bush’s ‘‘No Child Left Behind’’ effort.

The Illinois Democrat criticized Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and former Sen. John Edwards for not fully funding No Child Left Behind. While outlining his own education proposal to prepare students for college and to train teachers to lead in classrooms, Obama said the two rivals haven’t done enough to protect students.

So where would Obama find the $18 billion?

Obama’s plan would cost $18 billion. His campaign said he would pay for it in part by delaying NASA’s Constellation Program, which is developing the vehicle and rockets to go to the moon and later to Mars. He also proposes to help pay for the education plan by reducing costs by auctioning surplus federal property and by cutting down erroneous payments identified by the Government Accountability Office.

So he wants to cut NASA (not gonna happen), sell existing assets (short sighted), and budget errors that were never real money to begin with.

Translation - tax increase.

671 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:10:56am

re: #661 USA

I think the issue was more that this was the not thread to discuss that particular matter; some people wanted to keep focussed on the issue of Islamic terrorism without getting into a shouting match over the abortion issue.

I'm with you on the life-span thing. 3.6 kids later, I see things very differently than I did when I was thirty, though I recently found a letter I wrote to an old moonbat girlfriend (but never mailed) that shows that my views when I started college were considerably different than those I had after I graduated but more like they are now. Having my own family gave me the perspective I lost in my 20s and early 30s.

672 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:11:52am

I'm gona eat,I'm really gona eat.

673 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:12:50am

re: #661 USA

If you've paid any attention, you'll know that's not a popular topic around here, and not because people are overwhelmingly pro-choice; far from it, I surmise.

It's because our host finds it to be a divisive subject and would rather people keep such personal beliefs to themselves (I think that may sum it up, but anyone can feel free to correct me).

As I stated last night, as repugnant as I find PBA to be, I cannot equate it with someone strapping bombs to a baby and slaughtering scores of innocents.

If you want to pout and leave over that, nobody's stopping you.

Happy Thanksgiving!

674 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:13:15am

re: #670 3 wood

Translation - tax increase.

It's the only thing Democrats can think of. I like the way P.J. O'Rourke describes that kind of thinking: throwing money at problems is like throwing maidens down a well; it's a appeal to magic, and the results are usually as boring and unsatisfying as most magic tricks.

675 Widow'smight  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:14:12am

Hello Timequake and Gettinby,

Me thinks Lance should get the two of you together for a "Girls with Guns" Calender.

You don't have to do like the 102 year old British woman did though.

676 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:15:23am

I've gotta run in a little bit -- first attempt to drive after surgery. In the meantime, one for Lance if he ever gets his butt out of bed.


Student Group Wants More Guns on Campus

SAN MARCOS, Texas (AP) - Mike Guzman and thousands of other students say the best way to prevent campus bloodshed is more guns.

Guzman, an economics major at Texas State University-San Marcos, is among 8,000 students nationwide who have joined the nonpartisan Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, arguing that students and faculty already licensed to carry concealed weapons should be allowed to pack heat along with their textbooks.

"It's the basic right of self defense," said Guzman, a 23-year-old former Marine. "Here on campus, we don't have that right, that right of self defense."

677 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:16:04am

re: #675 Widow'smight

Mornin' funny we were both thinking of Lance at the same time in roughly the same context ....

678 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:16:09am
679 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:16:18am

re: #661 USA

It's not that it has no place, but getting into a flame war about it is a no-no here. I've seen threads with the topic in it, and I've seen Charles delete comments about it too. The thing you have to understand is that it's not what Charles' site is about, and those of us that feel strongly about the topic (on both sides of the argument) accept that. The mission here is to expose radical islam( my words not Charles') and confront those that skew the truth about it.


btw - I agree with you on everything you said.


Also, as for no one's opinion being changed...that's just hogwash. If everyone thought that way we'd still be English, and I'd be an atheist( meaning someone convinced me there was a God) - no offense to atheists.
Opening someone's eyes can be easy, if they WANT to know the truth about something....but if they're not smart enough to consider all sides and then accept the one they believe is the truth, yeah - there's not much hope for them i guess. But I believe there is power in spreading the truth....

anyway - you don't have to let the door hit you, but you should be able to accept the fact that the focus here is not on that debate and it can derail threads into flame-wars and that's what is avoided by making it a mostly taboo subject.

I like your nic, btw.

680 gettinby  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:16:44am

re: #669 TimeQuake

Well, that doesn't sound good (both the bullet in the house AND the range closing).

No other ranges nearby?

re: #670 3 wood

"help"

Translation - tax increase.

As usual, 3 wood, you've nailed it on the head!

681 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:17:03am

re: #666 Widow'smight


You can move down here, but there's no promise we're givin' ya'll any cornbread. heh.

682 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:17:47am

I got in-laws coming for Thanksgiving :(

Which means I have to play the "gracious host" and pretend to care about what they all have been doing for the last year at dinner.

Oh well, glad there is football on. I'll just take the guys in the den and watch TV while the women chatter in the kitchen and obsess about their diets.

Happy Thanksgiving and travel safe.

683 TimeQuake  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:17:54am

re: #675 Widow'smight

Morning Sir.

I don't think a woman half her age would be any better. LOL

684 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:18:02am
We now take an almost 2,500 year historical leap to 1492 and Columbus' discovery of America. Despite the fanciful speculation to the contrary, most historians now agree that there was only one person of known Jewish birth on Columbus' First Voyage, but he was a very significant one.


Luis de Torres, a Jew baptized shortly before Columbus' fleet sailed, was the interpreter of the expedition. He is described in Columbus' diaries as a man "who had been a Jew and knew Hebrew and Chaldean and a little Arabic," and Columbus brought him along in case he met the "grand Khan."
[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]

Luis de Torres did not meet Khan, but among the many wonders he and his exploration parties did discover was a large wild bird with a head and body very similar to the peacock. The male even had a feather display which, while not as spectacular, resembled the peacocks. De Torres, with his background of Biblical Hebrew but poor ornithological knowledge, called this bird a tukki, which over the centuries has been corrupted into our "turkey."


Which is why, tomorrow, we eat a bird with a Hebrew name on Thanksgiving

685 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:19:29am

re: #673 JammieWearingFool

Yep; those discussions don't get very far, which is odd because I think the majority of posters are, in fact, on more or less the same page on the issue. Of course, "more or less" would raise some hackles, simply because the topic tends to lend itself to moral absolutes.

And I think you're absolutely right about the distinction.

686 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:19:44am

re: #674 Lucius Septimius


It's the only thing Democrats can think of.

I expect to hear a "back to basics" campaign, i.e., screw the military, lets spend even more money we don;t have on ourselves and our special interest groups.

687 TimeQuake  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:20:48am

re: #680 gettinby

Closest one is 40 miles away. Bah.


re: #679 Owl

Also, as for no one's opinion being changed...that's just hogwash.


I agree, my mind has been changed, here, on a subject or two.

688 gettinby  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:21:04am

re: #675 Widow'smight

Good morning Widow!

Happy Thanksgiving to you and the family.

Girls with Guns Calendar would be fun, but I seriously doubt anyone would want to see my face for a straight 30-31 days...maybe my gun, but certainly not my face!

:D

689 Widow'smight  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:21:39am

re: #681 Owl

Actually, I've found Reb's hospitality very appealing.

I live in SE PA, and we're pretty friendly up here too. Please don't judge us by the knuckleheads that run Philadelphia. Plus, we have more than our share of rednecks, we're just a little more cold tolerant.

690 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:23:02am

Judge rejects defense arguments to dismiss imams' lawsuit

U.S. District Judge Ann Montgomery, in a 41-page opinion and order, said it is "dubious" that a reasonable person would conclude from those facts that the imams were about to interfere with the crew or aircraft. She said the plaintiffs had stated a plausible claim that Metropolitan Airports Commission officers violated their constitutional rights.

"We're thankful for the order and are obviously in full agreement with the judge's conclusions," said Frederick Goetz, one of the imams' attorneys. "This has always been a straightforward civil rights case. You had six individuals ... doing absolutely nothing wrong. They prayed in the airport and got arrested. That's unconstitutional, and they deserve redress."

/yeah, well, let's see what a jury thinks

691 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:23:15am

re: #661 USA

If that is "an agenda" that has no place here, I won't let the door hit me on the way out.

Charles has repeatedly said he does not want that topic debated here.

692 Widow'smight  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:23:31am

I must run, see ya later girls.

Talk to you later Lucius

693 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:24:02am
Army deployed after Calcutta riot....Wednesday's trouble in the state capital began after the predominantly Muslim All-India Minority Forum called for blockades on major roads in the city.
The group said Ms Nasreen had "seriously hurt Muslim sentiments". Many Muslims say her writing ridicules Islam

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

694 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:24:10am

re: #687 TimeQuake


Mine too. Anyone that was around when I got here would tell you that I'm alot more moderate in my views regarding the topics de jour than I was before I got some sense knocked into me by the Lizard Nation. those people that occasionally get the boot for suggesting that we go to the extreme - that was me, and I'm lucky I got the message I guess....

Charles and others made the case that it wasn't going to happen, it wouldn't solve the problem, and it just gave sites like Kos ammo to use against Charles and the LNation. they were right and it was the fact that they bothered to make their case that "saved" this Lizard from being a moron, or worse.

695 mjazzguitar  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:24:26am

re: #691 3 wood & he's been here long enough to already know that.

696 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:24:40am

Ok, the being saved from being a moron is debatable, I know. ;) LOL

697 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:24:46am

re: #686 3 wood

re: #674 Lucius Septimius


It's the only thing Democrats can think of.

I expect to hear a "back to basics" campaign, i.e., screw the military, lets spend even more money we don;t have on ourselves and our special interest groups.

Demonrat ten points:

1) Tax the hell out of everybody except their core voters (i.e., the underclass and the ultra rich)
2) Silly disjointed foreign policy that doesn't promote American interests
3) Anything to destroy business, especially small business
4) regulate everything you can think of
5) Tax some more
6) The military should be used for vast dumb social experiments, not national security
7) Schools should be used for vast dumb social experiments. Nothing worth learning anything
8) Every ethnic group has it's own programs, hell, it's own Cabinet level position
9) Tax yet more
10) Have we raised taxes yet?

698 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:25:06am

re: #680 gettinby

As usual, 3 wood, you've nailed it on the head!

If one watches this stuff happen for enough years, you eventually figure out the pattern.

699 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:25:16am

re: #673 JammieWearingFool

As I stated last night, as repugnant as I find PBA to be, I cannot equate it with someone strapping bombs to a baby and slaughtering scores of innocents.

Well you might not "equate it", but to the baby in question the results are identical: baby's heartbeat intentionally stopped.

Abortion is the last truly barbaric practice carried out routinely in the West. It will eventually be overcome in the way slavery was overcome in America, but it will take generations. The evil the Left has inflicted on our culture is simply too deeply rooted at this point. To that extent I agree it is pointless to "debate" this issue here, although that makes it no less profoundly evil.

700 gettinby  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:25:19am

re: #679 Owl

Also, as for no one's opinion being changed...that's just hogwash.

Now that's the truth! (for me anyway)

Interesting...the more I read, discuss, and learn, the MORE my opinions are changed.

I wonder how much more they would change if there was enough time to read, discuss and learn even more?

701 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:27:23am

re: #689 Widow'smight

re: #681 Owl

Actually, I've found Reb's hospitality very appealing.

I live in SE PA, and we're pretty friendly up here too. Please don't judge us by the knuckleheads that run Philadelphia. Plus, we have more than our share of rednecks, we're just a little more cold tolerant.

Oh goodnesss...I'd give you my whole cast iron skillet full o' cornbread. :) I've been to Carlisle twice to go trout fishing in Big Spring Creek and the Letort and others. I love the folks there. Very nice people we ran into. My fishing buddy asked for " sweet tea" at a Taco Bell though - and we thought the young lady working there was going to giggle for an hour.
We're not hicks from the sticks by Southern standards, but we probably gave folks a few laughs.

702 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:28:16am

Montgomery, Ann D.

Nominated by William J. Clinton on November 27, 1995

/gee, how did already know that?

703 gettinby  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:28:38am

Bye Widow!

Me, too. Off to work!

If I miss any of you tomorrow, a very blessed and peaceful Thanksgiving to all.

704 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:29:40am
CNN) -- The husband of a Saudi rape victim sentenced to 200 lashes and six months in prison said his wife is "a crushed human being," and blamed one judge with a personal vendetta -- and not the Saudi judicial system -- for treating her as a criminal.

Sharia Law...is a crime...

The attack, trial and sentencing have taken a heavy toll on his wife's health, which was already poor, he said.

She suffers from anemia, a blood disorder , and asthma, he said. She will have surgery next month to remove her gallbladder.

"Since the attack, she's been suffering from severe depression."

The events ended her pursuit of an education beyond high school, he said.

"Her situation keeps changing from bad to worse," he said. "You could say she's a crushed human being."

Another womens life ruined...thanks to Islam..... [Link: www.cnn.com...]

705 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:29:43am

Lawyers, Guns and Washington

Reynolds has been linking enough of my material, I may as well reciprocate and pimp his NY Post column. Besides, it's good reading.

Grim milestone alert: I surpassed 300K visitors last night.

706 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:31:17am

re: #700 gettinby

re: #679 Owl

Also, as for no one's opinion being changed...that's just hogwash.

Now that's the truth! (for me anyway)

Interesting...the more I read, discuss, and learn, the MORE my opinions are changed.

I wonder how much more they would change if there was enough time to read, discuss and learn even more?

I know that the debate over VB changed my views on a number of points, especially after I took the time to follow the links and read stuff posted here and elsewhere. It was VERY uncomfortable at times, because I found myself beginning to part ways with folks I had once respected and aligning with some with whom I had formerly not be prone to agree with.

Part of it was being willing to do my homework and collect my thoughts -- I've learned it's best not to post an immediate response on a charged topic, but rather to pause, do some research, calm down, and watch the direction of the discussion.

Contrary to the echo chamber canard, what I find most useful here is extended discussion and debate. If you're willing to be patient and follow a discussion over a series of threads for an extended period of time, you just might find your mind being changed on any number of topics.

707 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:31:58am

re: #697 Lucius Septimius

It all boils down to income redistribution using class warfare as a justification to transfer assets to their support groups.

Take inheritance taxes. What right does the government have to take away a dollar of the hard earned estate that I am working hard to accumulate and leave to my family when I assume room temperature, and instead hand it out to somebody else?

I want everyone to be successful enough to do that.

But the government uses class warfare to take a chunk of that away, if you are not careful.

708 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:32:00am

IRAQ: WHAT WENT RIGHT

Just to wreck Thanksgiving for the left, I hope Bush or Cheney show up in Iraq tomorrow.

Nothing like seeing a bunch of miserable moonbats seething on a joyous holiday.

709 TimeQuake  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:32:20am

re: #694 Owl

I was/am a knuckle-dragging, Republican, since I got to vote in the '72 election. Yes, I voted for Nixon and I have never looked back. But I had some wrong notions about a couple of things (perhaps I was reading the MSM's interpretation). With the education I got here, I received clarity and think differently about a few things now.

Gotta go. Have a great day, Lizards.

710 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:33:14am

re: #699 Pro-Bush Canuck

I don't disagree with you, but let's just leave it at that.

711 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:33:29am

re: #707 3 wood

When the government views private property and income as a capital asset of the state, liberty is doomed.

712 mjazzguitar  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:35:36am

re: #693 storagemanager
The article on how the Japanese are handling immigration is interesting, also.

713 BulgarWheat  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:35:40am

I can't stomach Fox and Friends and now Arianna Huffington is on Morning Joe.
What a drag.

714 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:38:36am

re: #705 JammieWearingFool

Lawyers, Guns and Washington

Reynolds has been linking enough of my material, I may as well reciprocate and pimp his NY Post column. Besides, it's good reading.

Grim milestone alert: I surpassed 300K visitors last night.


YOU GO! Those are the kind of grim milestones worth reporting! :)

715 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:39:19am

re: #710 JammieWearingFool

re: #699 Pro-Bush Canuck

I don't disagree with you, but let's just leave it at that.

Absolutely. Especially since I agree with you on pretty much everything else.

716 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:39:34am

Thanks to Fox and Friends the Pentagon has now established a hotline number for veterans who have received letters requesting them to pay back their bonuses because their service was cut short because of wounds. The number is 1-800-984-8523.
Please help spread the word.

717 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:39:41am
German Interior Minister Wolfgang Schäuble has said his government is taking seriously a new threat contained in an Islamist video demanding that Germany and Austria pull their troops out of Afghanistan.
In the video received by the Austrian broadcasting corporation ORF on Tuesday, Nov. 20, a previously unknown group calling itself the Global Islamic Media Front indirectly threatened attacks in Germany and Austria if the two states do not pull their troops from Afghanistan.
It also demanded that Austria release two Islamists held in detention there.
Austrian Interior Ministry spokesperson Rudolf Gollia said the roughly four-minute-long video was predominantly focused on Germany and that Austria was mentioned toward the end.
"The German soldiers still occupy Afghanistan and we repeat our call from the last video that Germany withdraw its troops from Afghanistan," the video's German subtitles say. "This only serves your own security in your country

. [Link: jihadwatch.org...]

718 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:41:09am

News for the chronically miserable, from Reuters, of course.

Americans enter holidays in dark mood: Reuters poll

719 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:41:36am
720 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:41:50am
Part of it was being willing

I think that is the key. If you're hell-bent on believing something no matter what - and you happen to be wrong about it - then you're just fooling yourself into thinking you know it all.

Being willing to admit you can be wrong is the firt step toward objective reasoning I would think....but then, I didn't finish college, so whaydda I know. :)

721 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:42:20am
RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia defended on Tuesday a court's decision to sentence a woman who was gang-raped to 200 lashes of the whip, after the United States described the verdict as "astonishing".
The 19-year-old Shi'ite woman from the town of Qatif in the Eastern Province and an unrelated male companion were abducted and raped by seven men in 2006.

Ruling according to Saudi Arabia's strict reading of Islamic law, a court had originally sentenced the woman to 90 lashes and the rapists to jail terms of between 10 months and five years. It blamed the woman for being alone with an unrelated man.

Last week the Supreme Judicial Council increased the sentence to 200 lashes and six months in prison and ordered the rapists to serve between two and nine years in jail.

The ruling provoked rare criticism from the United States, which is trying to persuade Saudi Arabia to attend a Middle East peace conference in Annapolis, Maryland next week.

A State Department spokesman told reporters on Monday that "most (people) would find this relatively astonishing that something like this happens".


Nothing astonishing about it at all. It's just Islamic law, but why would the State Department know or care about that? [Link: jihadwatch.org...]
722 TMF  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:43:17am

We must let the Pakistani people choose their own government

/Obama and other f'ing morons

723 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:43:40am

re: #718 JammieWearingFool

News for the chronically miserable, from Reuters, of course.

Americans enter holidays in dark mood: Reuters poll


Reuters....I call BS on that one. Everyone I know is happy. Ok, that may not be ture, but it's not because of some dark, dismal mood.


Oh and you left off the " Al " in " Al-Reuters". heh.

724 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:44:46am
Right-wing lawmakers on Wednesday lashed out at Prime Minister Ehud Olmert following an announcement the he had agreed to allow Palestinian security forces in Nablus to receive 25 armored vehicles, reversing two years of IDF opposition.


Palestinian security officers take up positions during a battle with gunmen from the Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades in the Balata refugee camp.
Photo: AP
Likud officials said the plan was "the continuation of the moral deterioration of Olmert, [Defense Minister Ehud] Barak and [Foreign Minister Tzipi] Livni, which will only lead to a further deterioration in security."


[Link: www.jpost.com...]

725 TMF  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:45:05am

#718 JWF

Hey, when is Reuters going to poll the Ghanians, Ethiopians, Syrians, Guatemalans and the Latvians on their "moods"?

No doubt the rest of the planet- you know, where 10s of thousands die in cyclones and of malaria every year- is full of happy

726 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:45:17am

Hey, here's some good news.

The New York Times stock hit another 52 week low yesterday. It dropped down to $17.47 yesterday while the 52 week high was $26.90 which is a drop of 35% since February.

The Old Grey Hag continues to financially sink to the same depths as it's journalistic integrity have plummeted.

Good.

727 BulgarWheat  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:46:57am

#726 3 wood
These America-Hating vermin can't go out of business quick enough for me.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

728 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:47:06am

re: #726 3 wood,

The Old Grey Hag continues to financially sink to the same depths as it's journalistic integrity have plummeted.


They haven't reached one cent a share.

Yet.

729 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:47:23am

Anything for a buck....right Scott...........

WASHINGTON — Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan is lashing out at the Bush administration, claiming in his new book that the White House intentionally misled him concerning the CIA leak case and that President Bush was involved in his passing along "false information" to the press.

Public Affairs — the publisher of "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and What's Wrong With Washington" — released on its Web site a three-paragraph excerpt of McClellan's book, which is due to be released in April.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

730 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:48:04am

re: #718 JammieWearingFool


Yeak, I saw that. In the meantime our unemployment is at 4.6% and interest rates are low. I'm waiting to hear the "worst economy in 50 years" crapola again.

I suspect that their reported poll numbers will change if a Democrat gets into the white House.

731 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:48:55am

re: #730 3 wood

Of course. And "homelessness" will also immediately disappear, just as it did when Clinton was elected.

732 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:49:40am
PARIS — Coordinated acts of sabotage struck France's high-speed trains, causing further delays to services already widely disrupted by strikes, just as talks were opening Wednesday to coax unions into ending their walkout.

The national SNCF rail authority stopped short of blaming strikers for the overnight vandalism, which it said included the burning of electric cables and damage to signaling systems. Labor unions quickly denied any connection.


I blame the youth. [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

733 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:50:28am

OK, gotta run.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Never forget that four hundred years ago some very brave people came here with the intention of founding a society based on principles of liberty and personal integrity. Honor their memory; pursue their cause with vigor.

734 earthwirm  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:51:24am

Cutting NASA...

NASA for cripes almighty. The one Gov't program that actually could USE more money and Obama is going to win the presidency by proposing to CUT NASA.

WTF!?

Unfortunately this sells well to the 52% of idiot-americans who think NASA is a waste of money and time.

And the Dhimmis have the AUDACITY (that's how you use the word Obama) to claim the Republicans are anti-science.

How about this for an education strategy. Vouchers and private schools. The federal gov't should butt out.

735 myspamhere  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:52:09am

Why is this not a news headline item, and instead it is buried at the bottom of the article?

There should be front page headlines all over the world 'Muslim Terrorist straps bomb to his own 1 year old child'

736 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:52:39am
Boy Impaled on Manure Spreader Survives Ghastly Injuries

[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

737 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:52:41am

re: #727 BulgarWheat

What will happen if this trend continues, is the rating agencies will eventually have to drop the credit rating to below investment grade.

Then all your public pension funds and similar investment funds will have to dump NYT stock due to their investment policy and statutory prohibitation. Nobody with any fiduciary responsibility will be able to hold it in a portfolio.

When that happens, look out below, your talking penny stock territory then.

738 TMF  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:54:01am

America- the only country in history where there is 95% employment, where the poorest own $100.00 sneakers, lexuses and have cable t.v.

The only country in history where the key health problem of its poor children is NOT hunger (sorry Con Edwards) but OBESITY

And according to Reuters, we're "in a bad mood"

Only in the twisted, fucked up, propagandist, living in a bubble universe of a Reuters fucktard could that poll have any meaning

739 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:55:05am
‘I’m Here to Kill Him’: Family Outraged as Deputy Shoots Pet Dog in Their Yard..."All the kids were watching the officer shooting the dog. My heart was broken seeing an officer killing my dog."

WTH is wrong with that cop? [Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

740 TMF  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:57:57am

Heres my question: does Reuters, AP, CNN, etc. really think they can destroy America through propaganda and lies?

Or, do they simply want to destroy Bush (not America per se), so they can bring about the "dawning of the new era" (i.e., Hillary)

At which point the "mood" of the country will be reported, ummm, differently?

741 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:58:28am

re: #735 myspamhere

Why is this not a news headline item, and instead it is buried at the bottom of the article?

There should be front page headlines all over the world 'Muslim Terrorist straps bomb to his own 1 year old child'

oh no you don't. that would be a 'hate crime'.


the printing of the article that is, not strapping a bomb on a baby, you silly.


/ hello

742 Mats  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 5:58:28am

But...but....they are just moms and dads like everyone else, right? At least that is what Rosie said...

743 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:01:10am

re: #723 Owl

Roto-Reuters - When you want easier flushing.

744 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:01:35am

I was just thinking..........I wonder how big a turkey Ron Paul will have at his table this Thanksgiving. And then I thought.... they'll ahve two turkeys i bet.

hee hee hee

RON PAULLLLLLL !1!11!11! TEH ONLY MAN THAT CAN SAVE THANKSGIVING!

745 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:02:01am

pimf.

all.day.long.

746 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:03:27am

re: #743 Cap'n DOC

re: #723 Owl

Roto-Reuters - When you want easier flushing.


I think it would desecrate my toilet!

speaking of which, if flushing a koran is bad...how bad is covering one with a nice pork roast and some gravy and letting the dogs eat it?

/just askin'...

747 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:03:44am

i'm on a roll

748 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:03:59am

can i make it five in a row?

749 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:04:11am

Brett Favre is the man.

750 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:04:23am

Do not trust the democratic shover....

751 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:04:35am

1000 or bust

752 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:05:10am

boooga boooga

ok, i think that is about enough. i win. i hold the record for today's number of posts in succession

753 loppyd  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:05:18am

re: #749 Owl

Brett Favre is the man.

Second only to Tom Brady....

Good Morning, Lizard Nation BTW!

754 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:05:19am

re: #734 earthwirm

NASA for cripes almighty. The one Gov't program that actually could USE more money and Obama is going to win the presidency by proposing to CUT NASA.

Do you really believe that men walked on the moon?
It was filmed on a stage in Hollywood.

A Democrat mentioned that to me, just before she told me Bush blew up the WTC.

/my blood pressure went so high I started seeing those little sparkle stars spinning around my head..

How does one deal with stupidity?

755 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:05:54am
When I read this Washington Post editorial, I was stunned, yes, stunned. Here’s the mainstream media suggesting that the US government not use its broad powers under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act to bring Islamist terror groups and their US based funders to heel. Instead they are bending over backwards to enable these same Islamist charities to abuse our legal system. Inept federal prosecutors, as demonstrated in the Holy Land Foundation mistrial in Dallas were thwarted in their efforts to close these groups down.

So, what the Washington Post is proposing is abdication of useful counter terrorism executive powers to put a stop to financial terrorism.

I think that’s wrong headed and ACT members would probably agree, especially, after witnessing the fiasco of the Holy Land Foundation proceedings in Dallas, last month

[Link: blog.americancongressfortruth.com...]

756 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:06:15am
757 ec marm  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:06:37am

re: #740 TMF

Heres my question: does Reuters, AP, CNN, etc. really think they can destroy America through propaganda and lies?

Or, do they simply want to destroy Bush (not America per se), so they can bring about the "dawning of the new era" (i.e., Hillary)

At which point the "mood" of the country will be reported, ummm, differently?


That is it exactly. I had a lefty employee during the Bill Clinton years. As the doors to China flew open and American manufacturing firms closed shop, he was convinced (I'd say brainwashed) of how great the economy under Bill Clinton was. I knew I'd have to close the doors to my manufacturing firm as what I produced was used by other American manufacturers. The lefty employee never fathomed what was happening to his own job. I was truly sorry when I had to tell everyone shortly after Christmas that we were finished. But at least they could buy cheap goods at WallMart with their unemployment checks.

758 phoenixgirl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:07:22am

owl,

/what have you been eating or drinking this morning?

759 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:07:47am

i think everyone is on the road already. :( not me.. i'm still at work. uuugh.


hey, did you guys ever think about this? I thought this up one day - ok, here it is...

when you see a map, or a picture of the planet, why is Florida always pointing down? I mean, if you're looking at a map of the US, the world or a photo or drawing of Earth...they always show 'north" as "up"...but in space( where you're seeing the image 'from' - there is no up or down)....


so why do we always show canada above the USA if there is no up or down. Just once I'd like to see a picture of the earth from space with FLA pointing up toward the top of the page.

i'm nuts. i know.

760 Widow'smight  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:07:53am

re: #701 Owl

Never fished in those Kricks (local lingo), But I've fished in the Lycoming and Loyalsock many times. My buddies and I fish near State College now since my Grandfather died. We have a real nice trout stream called the Hay Creek where I walk my dog. They stocked it 10/3, and there are still some left.

My Mom still makes homemade Pasta, ever have Gnocchi?

Knowing my wife, in about a month or so she's gonna start the "When we retire, I want to move somewhere warmer" thing.

761 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:08:08am

re: #726 3 wood

Hey, here's some good news.

The New York Times stock hit another 52 week low yesterday. It dropped down to $17.47 yesterday while the 52 week high was $26.90 which is a drop of 35% since February.

The Old Grey Hag continues to financially sink to the same depths as it's journalistic integrity have plummeted.

Good.

Not only that, but McClatchy revenue plumments.

Oh well! Maybe al-Reuters can interview their stockholders.

762 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:08:19am

A stupid Democrat could kill a person with high blood pressure.

763 loppyd  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:08:19am

re: #756 JammieWearingFool

Pro-Chavez Venezuelan Lawmaker Slaps TV Host Repeatedly During Live Broadcast

Jeff Spicoli was unavailable for comment.

"What he's written deserves a trial," she said later.

Oh the irony.

764 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:08:28am
Video: Laura Ingraham pwns some Commie chick

[Link: hotair.com...]

765 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:10:18am

#741 Owl
#735 myspamhere

I agree: it should be headline news, not buried in a dull piece about Musharref freeing some detainees.

Islamic extremist father hid bomb on his own 1 yr old infant, in Pakistan terror attack which killed 170.

Maybe then people might start getting the idea the war really isn't for oil.

766 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:11:06am

re: #753 loppyd

who is tom Brady? Was that Greg's younger brother? :)


the pats are cheaters and I think the NFL quietly killed the story before it could hurt the NFL's image. rightly so, but still. Even if they go all the way and down the Dolphins record, it's like Bonds hitting the most HR's to me. Sory - nothing personal at all - I just can't stand it when a team gets away with holding or blocks in the back - much less illegal filming during a game.

Oh, and I did hear them say the other night that Brady was " breaking all the records".....hmmm....i don't know about that. I thought Favre had most of them right now at least. Heck, with the season he's having this year, he might not retire after this one, either. :)

767 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:12:06am

re: #754 ibmkeyboard

re: #734 earthwirm


NASA for cripes almighty. The one Gov't program that actually could USE more money and Obama is going to win the presidency by proposing to CUT NASA.

Do you really believe that men walked on the moon?
It was filmed on a stage in Hollywood.

A Democrat mentioned that to me, just before she told me Bush blew up the WTC.

/my blood pressure went so high I started seeing those little sparkle stars spinning around my head..

How does one deal with stupidity?


Basically I just give into it and try to......oh wait.
you weren't talking to me were you?
uh oh.
nevermind.

768 Capitalist tool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:12:26am

Lord, have mercy.
Christ, have mercy.

769 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:12:43am

re: #738 TMF

Only in the twisted, fucked up, propagandist, living in a bubble universe of a Reuters fucktard could that poll have any meaning

Ibid.

770 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:13:32am

Zarqawi Useful After All

First we crushed him, then we crushed his boys.

Thanks for leaving a trail of evidence, Zarkman!

771 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:13:56am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the Thai Islamists are restive once again.

Meanwhile, the French strikes continue to cause mayhem. However, there's been real mayhem as someone is sabotaging the rail lines - damaging the signal systems on 30km of track in one incident alone.

The national rail service, S.N.C.F., blamed the fires on a “concerted act of sabotage” and said there were several blazes along rail lines, including one that damaged 30 kilometers of a signal network.

S.N.C.F. also reported the deliberate shutting of signal switches and arson attacks on cables.

Dominique Bussereau, the state secretary of transport, denounced the fires as “grave and reprehensible” acts that appeared to be coordinated.

Top union officials also condemned the arson attacks. Bernard Thibault, secretary general of the CGT union, told the Europe 1 radio station that to attack the rail lines during a social conflict was "certainly destined to bring discredit to the profession."

772 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:14:39am

re: #758 phoenixgirl

owl,

/what have you been eating or drinking this morning?

You know, this morning I think it's just the fact that I have little work, the parents are coming today for Thanksgiving, etc. etc. I usually have a 20 oz Mtn. Dew before 8am, but today I had a 16 oz. coke( orange soda to the yanks) and I'm pretty mild. But no employees underfoot makes me one happy owl. :)

773 bikermailman  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:15:00am

re: #690 Killian Bundy

Judge rejects defense arguments to dismiss imams' lawsuit


U.S. District Judge Ann Montgomery, in a 41-page opinion and order, said it is "dubious" that a reasonable person would conclude from those facts that the imams were about to interfere with the crew or aircraft. She said the plaintiffs had stated a plausible claim that Metropolitan Airports Commission officers violated their constitutional rights.

"We're thankful for the order and are obviously in full agreement with the judge's conclusions," said Frederick Goetz, one of the imams' attorneys. "This has always been a straightforward civil rights case. You had six individuals ... doing absolutely nothing wrong. They prayed in the airport and got arrested. That's unconstitutional, and they deserve redress."


/yeah, well, let's see what a jury thinks

And hope that the judge doesn't just overturn whatever the jury decides.
/It can happen.

774 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:15:39am

Whoa, I'm getting happy feet...

Embezzlement Charges Filed Against Chirac

Hey Reuters, come see how happy I am.

775 phoenixgirl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:17:11am

re: #772 Owl

lol

776 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:17:15am

re: #760 Widow'smight

If she does, we have some good trout fishing in the Smokey Mtns.

We fished the special reg creek in State College one day while we were up there. Saw some real pigs, but only caught a few small ones. That part of PA is amazingly pretty and we had fun just riding from creek to creek looking at all the farm land and rolling hills.

777 loppyd  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:17:44am

re: #764 storagemanager

Video: Laura Ingraham pwns some Commie chick

[Link: hotair.com...]

OK, first of all Sunsara, the Flashdance look is over. Way over.

Nicely done, Laura..."I don't think you with your little orange t-shirt is an expert at everything"

ZIIIIIING.

Laura Ingraham has always been one my favorites.

778 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:17:56am
A leading media analyst has told the annual American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) policy conference that the mainstream European media is beginning to question whether Israel has a right to exist.

Speaking during last weekend’s event in Washington, Daniel Shek, chief executive of the Britain Israel Communications & Research Centre (BICOM), claimed that the questioning of Israel’s legitimacy “is moving at a pace that is very worrying - to the mainstreaming of the debate.”

“I think it’s the single biggest challenge for the Jewish community within the United Kingdom and for Europe in general,” Shek said

Maybe someone should tell Atlas...oh nevermind...don't wake her. [Link: www.ejpress.org...]

779 Widow'smight  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:18:00am

re: #772 Owl

In Western PA, it's called POP, not soda. How do you get Orange Soda from Coke and MT Dew?

Besides, I thought MT Dew was a distilled liquid down there.

780 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:18:34am

Here's the link for the Thai Islamist story.

Meanwhile, it's a very delicate time in Pakistan. Musharraf might be stepping down as chief of the military this weekend, and the US is already looking ahead to who the next guy will be. They're courting the number 2.

The obligatory "Who Does Number 2 Work For" goes here.

781 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:18:58am

Good morning y'all from a warmish (55 degrees, going up to 75 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Hope everyone is doing well today!

782 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:21:11am

re: NYT Stock Price:

The price hasn't been this low in over five years.

Tom Petty's Free Falling comes to mind.

783 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:21:36am
PRAGUE (AFP-EJP)---Brandishing yellow stars and red flags, more
than a 1,000 people rallied in Prague’s old Jewish quarter Saturday to block an extreme-right march on the anniversary of a notorious Nazi-era pogrom against Jews.

Police sealed off the meeting point of the far-right Movement for Young Nationalist Democrats (MND) and arrested a number of skinheads, some armed with batons, truncheons and home-made molotov cocktails, various sources said.

Clashes between the protesters and isolated bands of skinheads broke out in several streets leaving at least six persons injured, witnesses said.

At least 80 people were arrested and police also seized weapons including a gas gun, axes and sticks at scattered sites as the extremists tried to reach the Jewish quarter, police spokesman Ladislav Bernasek said.

"The march (by the extreme right) was unacceptable," said Prague’s mayor Pavel Bem.

"We need to cultivate the national memory to avoid what happened in the past," he added. Bem said he had come to keep an eye on the situation and to express his indignation

[Link: www.ejpress.org...]

784 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:22:04am

re: #781 realwest

75 degrees in mid-November...

I can only dream!

785 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:23:30am
786 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:24:57am

re: #740 TMF


Heres my question: does Reuters, AP, CNN, etc. really think they can destroy America through propaganda and lies?

I think they want to change it.

These are socialist/communistic entities at heart. They are so biased in their views that they don't even perceive their own bias. It's like a home plate umpire who does not realize that he is favoring one team over another.

They want to change the minds of anybody who does not agree with them. They are convinced that anybody who has a different view is wrong and therefore needs to be converted or hassled into being quiet.

I have frequently had reporters admit to me that their editors told them up front what slant to take on an news item before they even picked up the phone to do get any facts. Their job is to "find" facts to back up the editors view. It's gotten to the point where when I get contacted by a reporter, I start out the conversation by asking them what angle their editor told them to take on the story. Most of the time the reporters are happy to tell me.

It is "news" with an agenda.

787 loppyd  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:25:29am

re: #766 Owl

re: #753 loppyd

who is tom Brady? Was that Greg's younger brother? :)


the
pats are cheaters and I think the NFL quietly killed the story before
it could hurt the NFL's image. rightly so, but still. Even if they go
all the way and down the Dolphins record, it's like Bonds hitting the
most HR's to me. Sory - nothing personal at all - I just can't stand it
when a team gets away with holding or blocks in the back - much less
illegal filming during a game.

Oh, and I did hear them say the
other night that Brady was " breaking all the records".....hmmm....i
don't know about that. I thought Favre had most of them right now at
least. Heck, with the season he's having this year, he might not retire
after this one, either. :)

It is a widely held belief that the NFL killed the story because it became evident to them that every other team was doing the same thing. Ask any coach in private (other than the sanctimonious Tony Dungy) what they think of Mangini for what he did to ALL OF THEM and I would be willing to bet that the majority of them are not mad at Belechick, but rather at Mangini for telling on the Patriots because his team sucks and he is bitter. Prior to the start of the season Goodell sent a letter to every team in the NFL warning them not to do it - why send to all teams and not just the Patriots?

And how does 11 minutes of footage during a game agains the crappiest team in the AFC counter what Brady has done this year? Does a tape help Brady hit Moss every time? Brady has a higher rating 10 games into the season than many hall of famers.

788 Widow'smight  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:25:31am

re: #776 Owl

I remember we went to a bed and breakfast in the Shenandoah Valley some years ago. That was real pretty, and the nicest bunch of folks you'd ever want to meet.

I wanted to tell them the Civil war was over, cause they had Plaques and Cemetaries everywhere. All the shops had Posters of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson and others.

I also wanted to go hunting down there, but that would have defeated the "no kids" weekend I think.

Your Mountains down there are bigger than ours.

789 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:26:16am

re: #781 realwest

Yesterday was 66....today is 35 with snow on the way.

790 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:26:19am

re: #784 Pro-Bush Canuck Ah yes, dream away! LOL but come Friday it's gonna be a high of 52 and a low of 30, so I guess that Winter isn't over yet (damnit!) but was only giving us a taste two weeks ago or so!
How are you today?

791 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:27:14am

Yawn...

Border Fence Work Raises Environmental Concerns

Opponents say the 12-to-15-foot-tall steel fence and its construction will disrupt the habitat of jaguars, pygmy owls and other sensitive fauna in the wildlife refuge, and encourage illegal immigrants to use more remote, ecologically delicate terrain.

Of course, the border fence really endangers the intellectual pygmies of the left.

792 WriterMom  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:27:41am

re: #784 Pro-Bush Canuck

LIZARD LUNCH in TORONTO: Thursday November 22.

793 WriterMom  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:28:09am

re: #777 loppyd

OMG, I just watched that. She made shishkabab out of that twerp.

794 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:28:22am

re: #790 realwest

I'm pretty good, sir. Business is going well and Canada is looking up for a change. Our conservative government is gradually putting some teeth back in our military, and our oil and gas reserves are starting to make the economy work for a change.

So overall I'm pretty optimistic these days.

795 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:28:55am

re: #789 storagemanager Good morning my friend, hope you're doing well this morning. You've got snow on the way today?! Really?
Um, whereabouts do y'all live anyway?

796 alegrias  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:30:00am

Hugo Chavez is in France where he warns he's going to fly over Spain and buzz King Juan Carlos' palace, the Zarzuela, in his dictator's plane and he hopes "they" don't shoot at him...Chavez claims King Juan Carlos was tired of listening to "indians" Evo Morales, Daniel Ortega and Hugo the Caribbean Native...continues to demand King "come down off his throne" and apologize to Chavez for saying "Why don't you shut up" at Ibero-American conference in Santiage, Chile recently.

[Link: www.larazon.es...]

797 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:30:02am

re: #759 Owl


hey, did you guys ever think about this? I thought this up one day - ok, here it is...

when you see a map, or a picture of the planet, why is Florida always pointing down? I mean, if you're looking at a map of the US, the world or a photo or drawing of Earth...they always show 'north" as "up"...but in space( where you're seeing the image 'from' - there is no up or down)....


so why do we always show canada above the USA if there is no up or down. Just once I'd like to see a picture of the earth from space with FLA pointing up toward the top of the page.

i'm nuts. i know.

Owl, if you have any car keys, please give them to someone else right now for safe keeping. Don't get behind the wheel for a while, Okay?

Then, go lay down on a couch or something and take a nap.

It will be alright in a while.

798 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:30:49am

re: #795 realwest
A great plains state.

799 gromster  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:31:02am

OT/
Saboteurs attack French rail network

Vandals Hit French Train Lines

PARIS — Coordinated acts of sabotage struck France's high-speed trains, causing further delays to services already widely disrupted by strikes, just as talks were opening Wednesday to coax unions into ending their walkout.

The national SNCF rail authority stopped short of blaming strikers for the overnight vandalism, which it said included the burning of electric cables and damage to signaling systems. Labor unions quickly denied any connection.

800 mjazzguitar  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:31:32am

re: #759 Owl Actually I think The Mother Earth Catalog did that once.

801 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:31:43am

9-11 TROOF Diary at Kos

They're normally all over these, quashing dissent when this mental illness pops up among the gaggle terminally insane monkeys that make up the Kos Kommunity, but they missed this one.
802 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:32:24am
ST. PETERSBURG - Hannah Chehab's tale of harassment drew widespread attention last week.
She said a fellow Azalea Middle School student choked her, pulled off her Muslim head scarf and threatened to shoot her. School officials were slow to respond, Hannah and her parents said. A local Islamic group called a press conference to draw attention to the allegations.

But a police report released Tuesday says investigators found little evidence to support Hannah's story.

Several classmates told police that Hannah, 11, routinely talked and played around with the boy she accused of threatening her. The school resource officer who investigated the complaint found several witnesses who contradict Hannah's account. School videocamera footage doesn't support her tale either, the police report says.

Police said it's unclear if Hannah's hijab was ever removed.

"Our investigation did not reveal any information or evidence to support the girl's allegations," said police spokesman Bill Proffitt. He said the investigation has been closed and no charges will be filed.

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

803 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:33:41am

re: #779 Widow'smight

re: #772 Owl

In Western PA, it's called POP, not soda. How do you get Orange Soda from Coke and MT Dew?

Besides, I thought MT Dew was a distilled liquid down there.

Oh no, you don't get orange coke from mtn dew.

You get a coke...


Yur buddy: " What chya'll want ta drink?"
You: "Coke."
Yur Buddy: " What kind?"
You: " Mtn. Dew."

:)

804 ec marm  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:34:44am

re: #781 realwest

Good morning y'all from a warmish (55 degrees, going up to 75 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Hope everyone is doing well today!


75 degrees, hmm. Must be nice. We are having the worst of both worlds in Pa. for the past couple of weeks. The leaves are still on 30-40% of the trees. Very little sunshine, most days are cloudy with some rain. Temp range of 35 to 50. With four weeks until the first day of winter, I think some of the leaves will still be on the trees, blocking the occasional sunshine from coming in the south side of the house. Real estate market is still the pits, more houses coming on the market then are selling.
Other than that, everything is great!

805 loppyd  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:35:12am

re: #793 WriterMom

re: #777 loppyd

OMG, I just watched that. She made shishkabab out of that twerp.

I loved it when she told the girl to bring her act to troops and see how they liked it and reminded her that they fight for her right to wear her orange costume.

Laura Ingraham is a smart, tough cookie. She went to Dartmouth, edited the Dartmouth review (Moonbat heads are still exploding in Hanover, NH), went on to UVA Law School and to serve as a clerk to Clarence Thomas at the Supreme Court.
And that was just in her 20's. Not too shabby, eh?

She is also a breast cancer survivor.

806 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:35:23am

re: #791 JammieWearingFool Good morning Jammie! Great work uncovering the story that started this thread (I didn't know you read Australian papers on line! LOL!)!
Ah yes, the border fence, again.
There are apparently a LOT of local mayors, Sheriff's Departments, Ranchers and all who do NOT want a border fence because they are afraid of being cut off from their water supply - the Rio Grande. So Rudy talks about a "virtual fence" and other border control folks basically say screw the Water Supply build the fence (these folks, for the most part, don't live on the border nor get their water from the Rio Grande) and now the effin' environmentalist wackos.
Just unbelievable.
Hope you and yours are doing ok and are planning on a very happy Thanksgiving!

807 phoenixgirl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:35:40am

re: #803 Owl

re: #779 Widow'smight

re: #772 Owl

In Western PA, it's called POP, not soda. How do you get Orange Soda from Coke and MT Dew?

Besides, I thought MT Dew was a distilled liquid down there.

Oh no, you don't get orange coke from mtn dew.

You get a coke...


Yur buddy: " What chya'll want ta drink?"
You: "Coke."
Yur Buddy: " What kind?"
You: " Mtn. Dew."

:)

so everything is a coke! like all bandages to me are bandaids!

808 alegrias  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:37:57am

re: #791 JammieWearingFool

Yawn...

Border Fence Work Raises Environmental Concerns

Opponents say the 12-to-15-foot-tall steel fence and its construction will disrupt the habitat of jaguars, pygmy owls and other sensitive fauna in the wildlife refuge, and encourage illegal immigrants to use more remote, ecologically delicate terrain.

Of course, the border fence really endangers the intellectual pygmies of the left.

* * *
Anyone here know who (besides you the US Taxpayer) currently picks up the mountains of water bottles & trash left behind in our border areas by these humans on their way into the US?

809 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:38:02am

re: #794 Pro-Bush Canuck I appreciate the courtesy and all, but would y'all please stop calling me "sir" - really work at it if you have to! LOL!
I'm glad you're so optimistic these days - I reckon this Tuesday is the day of reckoning for your company, iirc? Best of luck with it!

810 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:39:59am

re: #809 realwest

Heh. Will do.

811 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:40:08am

re: #787 loppyd

And how does 11 minutes of footage during a game agains the crappiest team in the AFC counter what Brady has done this year? Does a tape help Brady hit Moss every time? Brady has a higher rating 10 games into the season than many hall of famers.

I can tell over the TV before the snap when the Bears are running a cover-2, a man, are going to blitz etc. on defense. I can tell before the snap on offense whether they are going to run, and if a pass which receiver Bad Rex will throw to. They only have 5 runs and 5 pass plays anyway, they just change formations from time to time as if that will confuse anybody.
And I did not need film of their signals to figure that out.

Anbody can watch about 4 series, use their eyes and brain, and figure it out. Seattle had them down cold last Sunday.

812 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:40:29am

re: #787 loppyd

re: #766 Owl


re: #753 loppyd

who is tom Brady? Was that Greg's younger brother? :)


the
pats are cheaters and I think the NFL quietly killed the story before
it could hurt the NFL's image. rightly so, but still. Even if they go
all the way and down the Dolphins record, it's like Bonds hitting the
most HR's to me. Sory - nothing personal at all - I just can't stand it
when a team gets away with holding or blocks in the back - much less
illegal filming during a game.

Oh, and I did hear them say the
other night that Brady was " breaking all the records".....hmmm....i
don't know about that. I thought Favre had most of them right now at
least. Heck, with the season he's having this year, he might not retire
after this one, either. :)


It is a widely held belief that the NFL killed the story because it became evident to them that every other team was doing the same thing. Ask any coach in private (other than the sanctimonious Tony Dungy) what they think of Mangini for what he did to ALL OF THEM and I would be willing to bet that the majority of them are not mad at Belechick, but rather at Mangini for telling on the Patriots because his team sucks and he is bitter. Prior to the start of the season Goodell sent a letter to every team in the NFL warning them not to do it - why send to all teams and not just the Patriots?

And how does 11 minutes of footage during a game agains the crappiest team in the AFC counter what Brady has done this year? Does a tape help Brady hit Moss every time? Brady has a higher rating 10 games into the season than many hall of famers.


Inspiration to prove your better than a cheater? How good would htey have been if they didn't feel the pressure to prove they weren't winning by cheating?

I haven't heard of another team cheating in this way. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just haven't heard about it.

touchy much about the Pats? :)

813 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:40:31am

re: #797 3 wood Hey 3 Wood! How are you doing my friend? Um, didja get my e-mail?

814 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:41:53am

re: #798 storagemanager Ah, well ok then, that narrows it down some! LOL!
Well if I recall my history correctly, don't y'all get weirod weather out on the Great Plains anyway? Or is this snow early for you folks?

815 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:42:18am
816 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:42:52am
817 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:42:52am
818 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:43:13am
819 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:43:39am

re: #807 phoenixgirl

exactly.

you get asked if you want a "coke" and then they ask you what kind. :)
Atlanta is the home of Coca Cola ya know. ;)

820 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:43:47am
822 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:44:36am
823 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:45:23am

So, the French are striking all over the country, and railways are being hit by saboteurs. Nice. Who's going to put out the fires if the firefighters are walking off the job as well - they've got their own union disputes going as well.

Welcome to the workers' paradise.

[Link: lawhawk.blogspot.com...]

It's a good thing Mrs. Lawhawk and I visited Paris in March. You couldn't get around if you tried to do it now.

No Pasaran notes the sabotage.

824 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:46:06am
825 opnion  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:46:22am

This is just one more wake up call. Establishment of the new Caliphate will promote this type of barbaric behavior.
We have very little commonality with this insane , brutal culture.
Seal the borders and quit obfuscating(ROP etc).
This is a war for future generations, especially our daughters to live in saftey and dignity. (Now off of the soap box)

826 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:46:49am

The MSM and their peculiar choice of words:


55 Taliban killed in clashes, Afghan police say

KABUL, Afghanistan: Afghan and foreign troops called in airstrikes after clashing with suspected Taliban militants in southern Afghanistan, leaving some 55 insurgents dead, police said Wednesday.

The joint force battled militants, killing 50, in the mountainous area in Charchino district, Uruzgan province, late Tuesday, said Juma Gul Himat, the provincial police chief.

Separately, five militants were killed when Afghan troops clashed with militants in Uruzgan's Dihrawud district also Tuesday, Himat said.

Neither account could be independently be verified due to the remoteness of the area.

Afghanistan has seen record levels of violence this year. More than 6,000 people have been killed in insurgency related violence in 2007, according to an Associated Press count based on figures from Western and Afghan officials.

In addition to the one grammar error "could be independently be verified" -don't they have proof-readers or staff with basic literacy skills? - and the ludicrous use of the term "suspected Taliban insurgents", as if a group of men armed with RPG's AK47's and heavy machineguns, in civilian attire, travelling in a pick-up truck in a remote corner of a war-torn province, might just be a bunch of Pashtun good-ol' boys out hunting deer.

And then there is the odd choice of the word "clash" to describe what was apparently a methodicaly planned and well executed mission against a group of Taliban. Passive words like "clashed" and "leaves... dead" gives that nice random incidental violence feel the MSM is after, & helps to cast the Afghan mission in the proper light of futility.

It's not like the "foreign troops" (hint: they were US troops, part of the UN approved International Security Assistance Force) actually know what they are doing. The term "foreign troops" is nice & neutral, no point in picking sides or calling them by their real name, or mentioning they have UN, NATO, & Afghan gov't authorization to be there. Just like those other ""foreign troops" in Afghanistan the MSM won't name, specifically, the Pakistanis, Arabs, Chechens and other Al Qaeda terrorists helping the Taliban.

827 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:46:50am

re: #804 ec marm Morning EC! I'm sorry to hear about the woes of the great state of Pennsylvania! I used to live in South Western Pa - about 60 miles due south of Pittsburg and I can feel your pain!
But I hope you are at least gonna have a great thanksgiving my friend!
And, um, North Carolina is a GREAT state to live in if you don't live in the Mountains or along the shore! LOL!

828 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:46:54am

re: #815 ploome hineni

San Francisco approves ID cards that exclude gender

/shit, is it racist to indicate species?

Let's just issue blank plastic cards with "Life Form #434545" on them.

Wait, that is "lifeist". And probably offensive to non-integer numeric beings...

829 loppyd  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:47:25am

re: #812 Owl

nspiration to prove your better than a cheater? How good would htey have been if they didn't feel the pressure to prove they weren't winning by cheating?

I haven't heard of another team cheating in this way. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just haven't heard about it.

touchy much about the Pats? :)

I honestly believe Brady's performance this year has nothing to do with trying to prove he isn't a cheater.

Every team in the NFL was warned. To me, that indicates a widespread problem.

I am tired of people hating on the Pats because it sounds a lot like jealousy. Not you in particular, but like the fans in Buffalo crying in their beer that the Patriots didn't take a knee every time they got the ball in the 4th quarter.

I guess I know what it is like to be Yankees fan now. :~)

Hey, it's Thanksgiving and it is just football (Did I just say that?). LOL

And BTW - I love Bret Favruuuuh. Always have.

830 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:47:35am

re: #824 ploome hineni


i am pretty in love with Coke Zero, btw. yummy.

Of course I love dew. it's the color of Green Bay. :)


packers. packers. rah, rah, rah.

831 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:48:03am

re: #806 realwest

re: #791 JammieWearingFool Good morning Jammie! Great work uncovering the story that started this thread (I didn't know you read Australian papers on line! LOL!)!
Ah yes, the border fence, again.
There are apparently a LOT of local mayors, Sheriff's Departments, Ranchers and all who do NOT want a border fence because they are afraid of being cut off from their water supply - the Rio Grande. So Rudy talks about a "virtual fence" and other border control folks basically say screw the Water Supply build the fence (these folks, for the most part, don't live on the border nor get their water from the Rio Grande) and now the effin' environmentalist wackos.
Just unbelievable.
Hope you and yours are doing ok and are planning on a very happy Thanksgiving!

Hi realwest, Happy Thanksgiving. We're doing OK, all things considered. Heading to Westchester tomorrow for our dinner at my cousin's house. Usually about 30 people there.

I read everything online, BTW. LGF is a vast repository of useful links.

Kind of surprised this wasn't bigger news, and in fact it was buried in the link; I was stunned when I read that and figured Charles would find it threadworthy.

832 storagemanager  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:48:25am
It’s been mentioned frequently in the last several weeks that the huddled masses who were excommunicated from Little Green Footballs and Hot Air needed a place to go, and as a result they’re showing up in the comments here and at Jihad Watch.

Yeah....read the spew [Link: gatesofvienna.blogspot.com...]

833 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:49:02am

re: #815 ploome hineni Good morning Ploome! Nope race has nothing to do with it; they just eliminated it in San Francisco for those who haven't decided what gender they are, yet!

834 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:49:39am

re: #827 realwest

I love NC's mtns. at least the southwestern ones...Bryson City, Waynesville, Andrews - all nice little towns.

835 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:49:41am

re: #807 phoenixgirl

And all tissues are kleenex.
Good Morning, {all y'all} and a happy Thanksgiving Eve to one and all!

836 phoenixgirl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:51:11am

re: #835 redstateredneck

re: #807 phoenixgirl

And all tissues are kleenex.
Good Morning, {all y'all} and a happy Thanksgiving Eve to one and all!

amen!

837 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:51:36am

re: #832 storagemanager

It’s been mentioned frequently in the last several weeks that the huddled masses who were excommunicated from Little Green Footballs and Hot Air needed a place to go, and as a result they’re showing up in the comments here and at Jihad Watch.

Yeah....read the spew [Link: gatesofvienna.blogspot.com...]

I see they claim to be the "Ellis Island" for them. I thought that was "The Blog on the Wrong Side of the Tracks" (aka GCP).

However, neither one of them wanted the Nodrog either.

838 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:51:59am

re: #822 taxfreekiller Good morning my friend - hope you're well and have a great Thanksgiving. BTW, some of those Middle Eastern Terrorists who want to do some damage at FT. Huarchua are said to be hiding out on an Apache Indian Reservation! How's about doing some recon for us all and finding those mofos?!
And, uh, as far as those law firms, do y'all have a link?

839 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:53:02am

Phoenixgirl,
are you in AZ now? if so, how do you like the southwest? The heat in summer is brutal, no?


I want to one day see the Grand Canyon and Yellowstone.

840 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:53:22am

re: #833 realwest

re: #815 ploome hineni Good morning Ploome! Nope race has nothing to do with it; they just eliminated it in San Francisco for those who haven't decided what gender they are, yet!

How can you not know what gender you are? Either you got something dangling or you don't. Very simple. San Fran has some really wigged out weriods.

841 wahabicorridor  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:54:26am

re: #827 realwest

re: #804 ec marm Morning EC! I'm sorry to hear about the woes of the great state of Pennsylvania! I used to live in South Western Pa - about 60 miles due south of Pittsburg and I can feel your pain!
But I hope you are at least gonna have a great thanksgiving my friend!
And, um, North Carolina is a GREAT state to live in if you don't live in the Mountains or along the shore! LOL!


Where the hell did you live in PA?

morning everyone!

842 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:54:57am

re: #840 Honorary Yooper

re: #833 realwest


re: #815 ploome hineni Good morning Ploome! Nope race has nothing to do with it; they just eliminated it in San Francisco for those who haven't decided what gender they are, yet!

How can you not know what gender you are? Either you got something dangling or you don't. Very simple. San Fran has some really wigged out weriods.

They're trapped.

I mean their body is trapped around an idiots mind. tee hee

843 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:55:04am
844 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:55:15am

re: #813 realwest


Um, didja get my e-mail?

Yes. I will be praying for you. Hope you have time to have a good turkey day anyway.

Been real busy here. You know my schedule, things are popping. Plus I'm helping a family member get some family business concerning a will and estate planning in order. The usual.

Got in-laws coming in tomorrow for the feed, so the Mrs. will work herself into a tizzy all day doing all this cleaning and decorating for a bunch of people who will not notice the difference anyway. But she would not have it any other way.

845 ec marm  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:55:24am

re: #827 realwest

Morning EC! I'm sorry to hear about the woes of the great state of Pennsylvania! I used to live in South Western Pa - about 60 miles due south of Pittsburg and I can feel your pain!
But I hope you are at least gonna have a great thanksgiving my friend!
And, um, North Carolina is a GREAT state to live in if you don't live in the Mountains or along the shore! LOL!


Sir, North Carolina is my first choice of state to move to. Found a little coastal village that I think would be a great place to live.
If I could sell this murthaf'n house.
I hope you (and everyone else) have a great Thanksgiving.

846 LanceKates  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:56:51am

re: #844 3 wood

Hey, I haven't replied to your email yet, but I did get it. I've been so busy as of late that I gave a look to one of your links and bookmarked both.

I reference you from time to time in conversation, especially on economical matters. heh.

847 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:56:57am

On topic:

OK, even I can't post my usual "This has all happened before, against Israel" rant on this one.

Absolutely sickening.

These people are supported by "peace" activists and the Left in this country.

Off topic:

PM approves 25 armored vehicles to PA

$10 we end up having to take them out in the near future.

848 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:58:14am

Hariri urges Putin to help block Iranian, Syrian meddling in Lebanese election

Oh, yeah, that's gonna work. Putin is such a champion of democracy, and although the Russians sell billions of dollars in military & nuclear technology to Iran & Syria, they'll be willing to risk that lucrative market just to help Lebanon become a western leaning democracy.

849 wahabicorridor  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:58:25am

re: #805 loppyd

re: #793 WriterMom


re: #777 loppyd

OMG, I just watched that. She made shishkabab out of that twerp.


I loved it when she told the girl to bring her act to troops and see how they liked it and reminded her that they fight for her right to wear her orange costume.

Laura Ingraham is a smart, tough cookie. She went to Dartmouth, edited the Dartmouth review (Moonbat heads are still exploding in Hanover, NH), went on to UVA Law School and to serve as a clerk to Clarence Thomas at the Supreme Court.
And that was just in her 20's. Not too shabby, eh?

She is also a breast cancer survivor.


Another reason to love Ingraham: She moved to a new house. Her dog Troy, got disoriented and got lost. She took 3 days off her radio show to look for him. And she found him, too.

He was old, died not too long after that. Her new dog is Lucy.

850 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:58:25am

re: #829 {loppyd} Hey there good looking, how are you today? Got a nice Thanksgiving lined up, I hope?
Re: Tom Brady and the Patriots - I agree about the stupid spying crap and Brady is having as fine a season as I can recall, but I think if you asked all the NFL coaches would they rather have Brady or Joe Montana or John Elway (in their respective primes) Tom would sorta lose out - in other words I don't think he's been playing long enough (or frankly against the stiff competition) of most Hall of Fame QB's just yet.
And I have to say that I alway loved Belicheck from his days as Giants defensive co-ordinator, but running up scores is, IMNSHO, bush league - it really is. Billy boy needs to be reminded that what goes around comes around.

851 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:59:34am

re: #829 loppyd


Ok, well I'm gald. I wasn't hatin' on them - I love football and a good team is a good team...but I do think that with professional football alot of outside things can influence the game and the players...but I didn't mean to rile ya up. :) I'm not going to say I like Brady though. I'm racist against handsome, tall, over-performing QB's. :)

Oh what the heck. . .

GO PATS!

852 BeerForMyHorses  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:59:51am

Is U.S. gov't infested with terrorist moles?

More evidence of the foxes guarding the hen house.

853 mjazzguitar  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 6:59:55am

re: #827 realwest What's wrong with the mountains or shore? My brothers live in NC and I'm thinking of moving down there.

854 WriterMom  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:00:49am

re: #832 storagemanager

Wow. Just horrible the way it is being encouraged and stoked 'come tell us your stories about the HORRIBLE HORRIBLE CHARLES JOHNSON and how and why you were banned'.

GET A LIFE!

855 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:01:13am

re: #834 Owl Yeppers, the Mountains down here ARE beautiful, but they get damn cold and windy come winter time, whereas down here in the "Southern Piedmont" things seem to be more pleasant, weather wise.
And the shore folks in NC have to worry a ton about Hurricanes during the Hurricane season.

856 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:01:36am

Stop abusing the memory of Yitzhak Rabin

Hitherto, I was loath to publicly express my feelings on the sensitive subject of the Rabin "heritage." I do so now because I am enraged at the cynical, even obscene manner, in which the memory of an assassinated prime minister has been transformed into a cult to promote political objectives to which Rabin adamantly opposed, even at the height of the Oslo period of his career. Worse, his name is being exploited to intensify divisions, create hatred and collectively demonize and transfer the guilt of a demented evil assassin on decent law abiding sectors of society.

snip

However, what is surely beyond the realm of speculation is that Rabin was a genuine Labor Zionist and despised the Peace Now agitators. He displayed uninhibited contempt toward Beilin, Burg and the young radicals who were then steering the Labor Party toward post-Zionism. The bitter remarks about Shimon Peres which appear in his memoirs speak for themselves.

Indeed, even at the height of the Oslo debate, Rabin's views remained diametrically opposed to the proposals now emanating from those claiming to have inherited his mantle. For example, in one of his last speeches in the Knesset, on October 5 1995, only days before his assassination, referring to borders Rabin said: "We will not return to 4 June 1967 lines."

In relation to Jerusalem he said "First and foremost, united Jerusalem ...as the capital of Israel under Israeli sovereignty

."

THANK YOU!

Read it all!

857 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:02:27am

re: #852 BeerForMyHorses

Is U.S. gov't infested with terrorist moles?

More evidence of the foxes guarding the hen house.


What's that you say? Lalalalalalallaa...can't hear you...lalallalalalalalaa.....


The enemy destroys us from all directions, and we play political correct games.

surprise.

/not

858 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:02:51am

re: #829 loppyd


I am tired of people hating on the Pats because it sounds a lot like jealousy. Not you in particular, but like the fans in Buffalo crying in their beer that the Patriots didn't take a knee every time they got the ball in the 4th quarter.


The one thing to bear in mind lopps, is the Pats are running it up on people intentionally. It's one thing to beat people, it's another thing to embarass them needlessly. They are a great team, that is true, but they don't have to go for it on 4th down with a 30 point lead on a injured and beaten team either. They are a great team, but there is also such a thing as class. One of these days the Pats will get some injuries and age and the shoe will be on the other foot then.

859 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:03:58am

re: #846 LanceKates


No problem, we all get busy.

860 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:04:20am

re: #855 realwest


I gotcha. yeah, you're sure right - but some of our best fishing is during NC's delayed harvest trout season. I've broken ice out of the guides many a day to stand out there and wave a stick over some huge trout. :) Wife and I are planning on going to Charleston next spring on vacation. We love history and we love to eat. i've heard we can get some good stuff on both counts in ctown.

861 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:04:43am

re: #835 {redstateredneck} Hey Red! Happy Thanksgiving Eve to y'all too!
I'm gonna be leaving for the hospital soon - I've got to take "an Arterial Doppler Lower Ext" test - which I think means at the end of it (it takes two hours) I could give y'all the weather forecast for Pittsburgh AND Philly (assuming they do it on both legs!)!
I mean, Doppler is weather radar, ain't it?!

862 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:05:06am

re: #856 Ben Hur


What a great article!

Thanks, Ben!

And Boker effen Tov to you too!

863 loppyd  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:05:29am

re: #849 wahabicorridor


Another reason to love Ingraham: She moved to a new house. Her dog Troy, got disoriented and got lost. She took 3 days off her radio show to look for him. And she found him, too.

He was old, died not too long after that. Her new dog is Lucy.

I knew Troy died, but I didn't know about him getting lost when she moved.
My dog (black lab) did the same thing when we moved - more than once. The
last time he did it he got hit by a car crossing the street and was killed. :~(
I was 15 when it happened and I still get teary.

RIP Wagner Pippen III (I was a precocious child).

864 3 wood  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:06:27am

By the way, I think the Superbowl this year will be the Pats and the Packers.

Got to go do some work, later.

865 Owl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:07:00am

re: #861 realwest


Hope everything goes well and easy, RW.

866 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:07:39am

re: #840 Honorary Yooper HEY! What about the Transgendered, huh? Y'all can't be discriminatin' against them! And some folk take a while to decide if they want to be "men" or "women" ya know!

;>'

867 WriterMom  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:08:52am

re: #856 Ben Hur

He's an excellent writer...stirred up lots of shit with the Mafia otherwise known as the "World Jewish Congress". The mournapalooza is disgusting. Did people also forget how his granddaughter made an industry out of the murder? Rabin was a decorated warrior, but certainly no saint.

868 realwest  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:09:00am

re: #841 wahabicorridor An itty bitty little town called Waynesburg. Why do y'all ask anyway?
Oh and good morning to you!

869 LanceKates  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:09:47am

re: #852 BeerForMyHorses

The government has employeed enemy agents in our secret areas since Stalin was in charge in soviet russia.

870 phoenixgirl  Wed, Nov 21, 2007 7:10:20am

re: #839 Owl

i'm in az now. i love az, the summers are hot, but i like heat. we have a pool, the kids swim everyday, three times a day from late april to august. in august school starts and there is no time for swimming....the grand canyon is beautiful. especially in the winter, covered in snow.