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Howard Dean Sends Out the Talking Points

Wed, Feb 6, 2008 at 10:21:03 am PST

Just received from the Howard Dean mailing list at democrats.org—the official progressive talking points, titled, “How we’ll beat John McCain.” Expect to hear these over and over.

John McCain is a media darling, but don’t trust his carefully-crafted image - he’s worked for years to brand himself. From Iraq to health care, Social Security to special interest tax cuts to ethics, he’s promising nothing more than a third Bush term.

After championing campaign finance reform and ethics legislation to score political points, he now has a staggering amount of lobbyists involved in every aspect of his campaign. In fact, two of the top three sources for John McCain’s campaign cash are D.C. lobbying firms, and he looked the other way as Jack Abramoff bought and paid for the Republican Party and the Culture of Corruption.

On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

On the war, McCain scoffed at Bush’s call to leave troops in Iraq for 50 years, saying “Make it a hundred!”

On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

On the economy, one of the issues that the American people care most about, McCain has said: “I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.”

We can’t afford four more years with a President who drives the economy into the ground. We can’t afford four more years with a President who fights an endless war in Iraq. We can’t afford four more years with a President who gives tax cuts to companies who ship jobs overseas; with a President who can’t get every American the health care they deserve; with a President we just can’t trust.

I don’t just want to beat John McCain - I want it to be a landslide.

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1 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:22:19am
he’s promising nothing more than a third Bush term.

We should be so lucky!

2 spidly  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:22:40am

does it matter?

3 RobCon  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:24:33am

Dean is a psycho.

4 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:25:39am

That. Would be Awesome!

/sigh

5 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:25:44am
6 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:25:59am

Yeeeeaaaaarrrrggggghhhhhhh! That'll help the dems greatly.

7 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:26:00am

re: #3 RobCon

But he sure is good for a laugh now and again...

YEEARRGH!

8 Shug  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:26:01am
I don’t just want to beat John McCain - I want it to be a landslide

Not only are we going to New Hampshire Tom Harkin
We're going to South Carolina....and Oklahoma
and Arizona and North Dakota
And California And Taxas
And Michigan
And we're going to Washington DC and take back the White House

raaaaaaaahahhhhhhhhh

9 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:26:06am

Do you realize how far L³eft you have to be to consider McCain a right-winger? Wow. They are completely out of touch with reality.

10 Shug  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:26:55am

re: #9 Iron Fist

Do you realize how far L³eft you have to be to consider McCain a right-winger? Wow. They are completely out of touch with reality.


in a sphere, if you go far enough left you eventually reach the right

11 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:27:10am
12 Lively  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:27:26am

re: #6 coquimbojoe

Yeeeeaaaaarrrrggggghhhhhhh! That'll help the dems greatly.

That's his biggest contribution to the party.

13 Morganfrost  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:27:31am

Nice. The note from that nut-case Dean is the closest thing McCain is likely to get to a strong conservative endorsement. He should publicize it more!

14 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:27:49am

re: #8 Shug

Much preferred your other avatar. More funny, less pedophilia.

15 Abu Bin Squid  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:28:31am

We can’t afford four more years with a President who drives the economy into the ground.

What a shitbag.

16 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:28:41am
On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

I'm sorry- is there a second john mccain in Congress?

17 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:28:54am

re: #12 Lively

re: #6 coquimbojoe

Yeeeeaaaaarrrrggggghhhhhhh! That'll help the dems greatly.

That's his biggest contribution to the party.

I am confused on the proper spelling of the scream, is it four e's and five a's? Or the other way around?

18 bnichols10  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:29:00am
...who can’t get every American the health care they deserve

Nice to see that everyone "deserves" something from the next President

19 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:29:05am

AGGGGGHHHHHHH!

20 Kirly  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:29:45am

they want mccain. those of you who have yet to vote in your primaries, don't give them what they want! vote for romney. the do not want to run against romney.

21 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:29:55am

Ringo the Gringo,

Thank you for posting the link, in the Link Viewer section, to
Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings, 9-11 Concert.

Beautiful & profoundly moving.

22 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:30:05am

Sorry to go OT early, but I just ran across this:

Obama claims delegate lead

What I found good here was not the article, but the comments. Comment #20 by naragonl is really good. He (she?) gives a good summary of what Hillary has done as First Lady. A few excerpts:

Here is a reminder of what that record includes:
- As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Patrick Moynihan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would 'demonize' anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.)

-

In order to open “slots” in the White House for her friends the Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for 'gross mismanagement' and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours.

And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, 'I do not recall,' 'I have no recollection,' and 'I don't know' 56 times under oath).

Read it all, it's a good summary, IMHO.

23 bosk  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:30:13am

Who is this McCain that the Deaner is screaming about. Now that would be someone I could vote for not the McCain currently running that is the next best thing to Teddy K.

24 loppyd  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:30:17am
On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

What is he smoking up in VT?

25 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:31:30am
We can’t afford four more years with a President who fights an endless war in Iraq.

No- what we can afford is looking weak in the eyes of our enemies.

26 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:31:35am

re: #19 Carl in Jerusalem

AGGGGGHHHHHHH!

OT: Had lunch with a couple Israelis in Tijuana the other day (really) they were very unimpressed with the Winograd report. Figured it to be just a CYA. have you written on this or can point me to a good source on its conclusions?

27 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:32:03am

re: #24 loppyd


Would that it were. Would that it were.

28 Shug  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:32:12am

re: #14 coquimbojoe


OK

29 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:32:34am

re: #25 Sharmuta

We can’t afford four more years with a President who fights an endless war in Iraq.

No- what we can afford is looking weak in the eyes of our enemies.

Amen, sister!

30 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:32:48am

re: #26 coquimbojoe

re: #19 Carl in Jerusalem

AGGGGGHHHHHHH!

OT: Had lunch with a couple Israelis in Tijuana the other day (really) they were very unimpressed with the Winograd report. Figured it to be just a CYA. have you written on this or can point me to a good source on its conclusions?

You might want to have a look at this. It's been the main headline in Israel for much of today.

31 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:33:18am

re: #24 loppyd

On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

What is he smoking up in VT?


No idea, but obviously it's very powerful stuff.

32 Rogue198  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:33:35am

re: #13 Morganfrost

Nice. The note from that nut-case Dean is the closest thing McCain is likely to get to a strong conservative endorsement. He should publicize it more!


I was thinking the same thing...and I'm a "NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS MCAMNESTY!" conservative ;)

33 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:33:38am

re: #30 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #26 coquimbojoe

re: #19 Carl in Jerusalem

AGGGGGHHHHHHH!

OT: Had lunch with a couple Israelis in Tijuana the other day (really) they were very unimpressed with the Winograd report. Figured it to be just a CYA. have you written on this or can point me to a good source on its conclusions?

You might want to have a look at this. It's been the main headline in Israel for much of today.

P.S. I have been to Tijuana. Parked the car south of San Diego and walked over in January 1981.

34 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:33:57am

At the risk of echoing others, that is the ONLY description of McCain I have ever read that made me want to vote for him.

John is as far to the right as he can be on immigration reform? WTF?

I guess that makes MY position reminiscent of Genghis Khan (with two soft g's).

35 Maximu§  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:34:04am

On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

WTF? McCain tried to shove an amnesty bill down our throats, which is why we no longer trust him.

36 MoonbatBane  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:34:25am

Well, I was dead set against McLame -- until I read this from Screamin Dean. Maybe McLame isn't QUITE as lame as I thought...

37 Defector01  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:34:40am

McCain allies himself with the farthest right elements of his party on immigration reform?

where the hell is Dean getting his information?

I think as soon as McCain wins the nomination he's going to realize that to the media he's just another republican who needs to lose to the democrat. He'll all of a sudden watch his maverick status and media love turn into the same as Dubya got from the media.

38 iurockhead  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:34:44am

Whether Dean gets his wish or not, we lose. We will have a liberal in the White House next year, unless Romney pulls off a last-minute turn around. I'm not holding my breath.

So what to do? The only front left on this battle is congress. If we lose enough seats in the Senate to get run over by whatever the libs want to do, we’re toast, and Dean will be able to get off the antidepressants. We have got to start working on congressional candidates!

As conservatives, we have lost the White House (short of a Romney miracle), so we must keep some control in congress, even if it is only the ability to block legislation in the Senate.

So get out there, put the presidential race behind you, and start working for your House and Senate candidates. That is the last barrier we have to keep us from tuning into (shudder) France.

39 jaydub  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:35:09am

I came here to make a comment about "I have a Scream", but I see I was beaten to the punch. Carry on.

40 loppyd  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:35:18am
41 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:35:25am

re: #24 loppyd

On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

What is he smoking up in VT?

It's from under the apple tree that other dope from VT used. We need to get a soil sample, something's wrong up there. Maybe Stephen King's Wendigo curse, or worse.

42 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:35:29am

re: #28 Shug

re: #14 coquimbojoe


OK

Don't go changing to try to please me...

43 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:35:34am
44 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:35:58am

Attention Democratic Faithful: These aren't ordinary lies. They're the OFFICIAL Lies. Anybody who deviates from them will be shot.

/well maybe not shot... yet.

"Aligned himself with the extremists on immigration"... LOL.

45 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:36:05am

re: #30 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #26 coquimbojoe

re: #19 Carl in Jerusalem

AGGGGGHHHHHHH!

OT: Had lunch with a couple Israelis in Tijuana the other day (really) they were very unimpressed with the Winograd report. Figured it to be just a CYA. have you written on this or can point me to a good source on its conclusions?

You might want to have a look at this. It's been the main headline in Israel for much of today.

Thank you!

46 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:36:13am

re: #30 Carl in Jerusalem

Thanks for the link.

Olmert spared due to 'peace process'

So the man who f*cked up a war is being protected so he can f*ck up a
so-called peace deal?

47 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:36:23am

OK, Howard. We have the "talking points".

But where are this year's screaming points?

48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:36:25am
On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

Apparently this must come from an alternate universe

49 loppyd  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:36:45am

re: #27 Endangered in MASS

re: #24 loppyd


Would that it were. Would that it were.

Hi!

How great is it that Teddy K, Liveshot and Cadillac Deval couldn't bring it home for Obama?

50 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:36:55am

DNC Talking Points Memo

To: Democrats Everywhere
Re: New Terminology

Bushitler

McHitler

Sincerely, the DNC

51 Shug  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:36:59am

re: #42 coquimbojoe

I tried to change it lately but couldn't find one to meet the KB size requirement. THe original one was uploaded with a larger size than is now allowed.

fixed.
The dreaded hog caller of blasphemy is back

52 rappmandu  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:37:00am

Is the POTUS supposed to lead the U.S. economy?

53 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:37:17am

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

Apparently this must come from an alternate universe

Where do you think Howard Dean spends most of his time?

54 Rain Patriot  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:37:18am

I can't help it...

I read it over and over... but all I can make out is YEAAAAAARGGGGHHHH

55 Defector01  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:37:29am

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

Apparently this must come from an alternate universe

Can we get that McCain from THAT universe to run?

56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:37:51am

re: #53 Honorary Yooper

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

Apparently this must come from an alternate universe

Where do you think Howard Dean spends most of his time?

Knee deep in moosecrimp

57 MrMom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:38:14am

re: #24 loppyd

On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

What is he smoking up in VT?


And may I have some please?

58 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:38:17am

re: #40 loppyd

The Dean Scream

Now you're going to give me nightmares!

59 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:38:21am

re: #24 loppyd

On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

What is he smoking up in VT?


Everyone is thinking about this statement all wrong. McCain is among the most extreme elements in the Republican Party. The Extreme Left of the Republican Party.

60 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:38:36am

re: #51 Shug

re: #42 coquimbojoe

I tried to change it lately but couldn't find one to meet the KB size requirement. THe original one was uploaded with a larger size than is now allowed.

fixed.
The dreaded hog caller of blasphemy is back

Thank you. Your cooperation with keeping LGF pedophile free is much appreciated.

61 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:38:58am

re: #52 rappmandu

Is the POTUS supposed to lead the U.S. economy?

And personally attend to your every need. He/she is like a national wet-nurse, but with absolute control of the world.

/It woul be funny if so many weak minds did not wish it so.

62 FoolsMate  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:39:01am

I am pledging now: no vote for McCain and damn the consequences.

63 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:39:10am

re: #52 rappmandu

Is the POTUS supposed to lead the U.S. economy?

Nope. That's leftism. Nobody "leads" an economy. Actually that's not just leftism, it's communism. That's what the commies did: controlled the economy top-down.

POTUS should just minimize taxes and stay out of the way.

64 hayseed  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:39:26am

OT....i have been mostly house bound since 12/22/07 due to surgery. my wife is going to drop me off at the local tavern. I need a shot and a beer lol. It needs to stop raining in the ohio valley. Im going nuts


play nice

65 spidly  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:39:36am

re: #43 buzzsawmonkey

re: #20 Kirly

they want mccain. those of you who have yet to vote in your primaries, don't give them what they want! vote for romney. the do not want to run against romney.

I am becoming more and more convinced that the "shoestring" Huckabee candidacy that mysteriously keeps on going and going is simply a spoiler run being financed by George Leprosy ("Soros" = "Tzaraas" = "Leprosy") to ensure that Hillary Clinton does not run against Romney, who has executive experience, but against saggy old Senator Liver Spots.

I find it interesting that a previously-unknown Arkansas governor should suddenly wake up and decide to run for President--and that his staying in the race despite his supposed lack of money should so conveniently benefit the candidacy of a former First Lady of Arkansas.

what kind of hungarian is tzaraas?

66 Defector01  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:39:39am

re: #62 FoolsMate

I'll vote for McCain because the alternative still strikes me as worse but I voted for Romney in the primary in CA

67 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:40:01am

re: #46 Kenneth

re: #30 Carl in Jerusalem

Thanks for the link.

Olmert spared due to 'peace process'

So the man who f*cked up a war is being protected so he can f*ck up a
so-called peace deal?

Unfortunately, yes. Our left is so desperate to give the country away they will embrace anyone who is willing to advance their cause.

68 EC Marm  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:40:02am

re: #35 Maximu§


WTF? McCain tried to shove an amnesty bill down our throats, which is why we no longer trust him.


A bill which 80% of Americans rejected. Campaign contributions to McCain slowed to a dribble*.
Does the American public have that short a memory and/or attention span?

*In order to save the campaign McCain had to personally borrow millions to continue. The loan papers, because of McCain's age, required a life insurance policy in the amount of the loan. Once McCain received the money his campaign began to take off.

69 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:40:06am

re: #20 Kirly

they want mccain. those of you who have yet to vote in your primaries, don't give them what they want! vote for romney. the do not want to run against romney.

Heh. You'll have to get the "I heart Huckabee" crowd to back down first. Good luck with that.

70 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:40:09am

re: #43 buzzsawmonkey

I'm starting to think the same thing, but not just about Huckabee. Quite a few spoilers out there benefiting few.

71 funkyfantom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:40:15am

Right, the fact that he is endorsed by the New York Times just isn't good enough reason to refrain from labeling the guy a rabid right-winger.

They are so one-dimensional that all they know how to do is set up some conservative bad guy strawman and start throwing stones.

Even if Noam Chomsky was the Republican nominee, they would still do this, since that's all they know how to do.

To a man whose tool kit consists of one big hammer, everything looks like a nail.

72 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:40:36am

I was a registered Democrat until after 9/11. Ironically, it wasn't until after I left the party that they paid any attention to me. To this day, I still receive fat packets of material from the DNC claiming I am a "regional leader" who needs to whip others into a defeatist froth over the pending Democratic candidates.

My all-time favorite solicitation came from El Capitan Dean about a year ago. It was, or at least claimed to be, an innocent questionnaire soliciting views about all the key issues the Democrats faced - which Democratic policy about abortion is the best, about gun control, etc. The most telling part was that almost every single question ended with the following option: Other ________.

In other words the Democrats were so hopelessly out of ideas that they actually needed input from voters as to how to run the country. A classic example was their "question" about how quickly to surrender to the Islamists in Iraq, which naturally presupposed a Democratic voter wanted to. It went something like-

What timetable should Democrats establish for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq?
1) Immediate
2) 3 months
3) 6 months
4) 1 year
5) Other _________.

With "leadership" like that, it's no wonder the party is now ever more the province of marxists and illegal aliens.

73 spidly  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:41:06am

and shouldn't it be szorosz

74 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:41:21am

re: #67 Carl in Jerusalem


Unfortunately, yes. Our left is so desperate to give the country away they will embrace anyone who is willing to advance their cause.

Bad things happen to people who give away Israel.

/obvious to us, but to others... not so much.

75 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:41:24am

re: #52 rappmandu

Is the POTUS supposed to lead the U.S. economy?

Have you not seen Ms. Clinton's latest 4 Year Plan, comrade?

76 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:41:25am

re: #57 MrMom,

Not me. I don't ever want to be as fucked up as Howard the Dick.

77 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:41:41am

re: #73 spidly

and shouldn't it be szorosz

Srzsz. There. Now he's Polish.

78 loppyd  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:41:54am

re: #57 MrMom

re: #24 loppyd

On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.


What is he smoking up in VT?


And may I have some please?

Ganjihad!

79 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:41:57am

re: #49 loppyd


Deval- "Ted ..is that a bottle of Chivas next to the Crispy cremes?"

Ted- " er um Let's reach for that!oh er um call me Senator. Who do I have to screw to get a drink around here?"

Liveshot- There I was on Nawshawn island.....

80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:42:14am

re: #62 FoolsMate

I am pledging now: no vote for McCain and damn the consequences.

At this point, I'll be backing Mitt as a write in candidate.

I'm done with backing the lesser evil so "the party" can stay in power.

81 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:42:22am

re: #34 OldLineTexan

At the risk of echoing others, that is the ONLY description of McCain I have ever read that made me want to vote for him.

John is as far to the right as he can be on immigration reform? WTF?

I guess that makes MY position reminiscent of Genghis Khan (with two soft g's).

that's the way i like it. genghis w/ 2 soft g's. lol
/not.

82 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:42:26am

Iran or Saudi Arabia: Pick Your Poison by Youssef M. Ibrahim, (a former Middle East correspondent for the New York Times and Energy Editor of the Wall Street Journal is a freelance writer and Mideast political risk consultant based in New York.)

Choose wisely
America will soon have to choose between the Shiites and Sunnis as the Islamic civil war rumbles on, writes Youssef M. Ibrahim. It all boils down to which side has the better chance of adapting to modernity.

Beware the false dichotomy.

83 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:42:31am

How can he write crap like that and keep a straight face? It boggles the mind.

84 Merovign  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:42:58am

You mean to say that the left, practically enamored with McCain before the primary vote, are turning on him as it comes to a close?

The deuce you say!

I keep telling people, but they never listen.

85 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:43:00am
86 hayseed  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:43:09am

re: #78 loppyd

Dean needs to stop by Babbas place she will show him the right path.

87 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:43:14am

re: #68 EC Marm

Does the American public have that short a memory and/or attention span?

Yes.

88 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:43:31am

re: #69 Lizard by the Bay

re: #20 Kirly

they want mccain. those of you who have yet to vote in your primaries, don't give them what they want! vote for romney. the do not want to run against romney.

Heh. You'll have to get the "I heart Huckabee" crowd to back down first. Good luck with that.

That ain't no joke. Like lemmings headed for the cliff.

89 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:43:38am

Look, this is the problem that most GOPers had with McCain, especially the conservatives.

Let's take each one of these talking points separately:

On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

If he tries to correct that blatant lie by saying he was for amnesty, he'd have to alienate a good portion of the GOP (and most everyone else).

On the war, McCain scoffed at Bush’s call to leave troops in Iraq for 50 years, saying “Make it a hundred!”

Demanding that the US win a war is a bad thing? That we've still got troops in Germany, Japan, and Korea 50 years later shows just how vacuous the Democrats are. Still, it suggests that McCain has an image problem.

On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Again, if he tries to correct the record by showing that he went with the Gang of 14 and thwarted appointing conservative judges, he'll upset most of the conservative base.

On the economy, one of the issues that the American people care most about, McCain has said: “I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.”

As opposed to Hillary and Obama, who don't have any foreign policy or military experience? Not really a good retort, although an accurate one. It's a sound bit that will sting.

We can’t afford four more years with a President who drives the economy into the ground. We can’t afford four more years with a President who fights an endless war in Iraq. We can’t afford four more years with a President who gives tax cuts to companies who ship jobs overseas; with a President who can’t get every American the health care they deserve; with a President we just can’t trust.

What economy has been driven into the ground? Not the American economy, that's for sure, despite the current instability. Project much Dean? Tax cuts have successfully caused business profits to soar - enabling a company like Exxon Mobil to pay $27 billion in taxes all by its lonesome, which is more than the lowest 50% of individual taxpayers - 65 million people. Sounds like they've paid their fair share.

And stop confusing health care insurance with access to health care. Everyone can access health care - there is indigent care all the time - it's the cost of insurance that people complain about. And your plans are nothing less than socialism to fix them. The government can't get the VA health care system operating right, so what makes anyone think that a government insurance program will do any better, let alone one that handles all aspects of health care coverage. I don't.

90 jcm  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:43:42am

re: #75 Dar ul Harb

re: #52 rappmandu

Is the POTUS supposed to lead the U.S. economy?


Have you not seen Ms. Clinton's latest 4 Year Plan, comrade?

Comrade I detect sarcasm in you tone of voice, I suggest you correct you attitude or I shall be forced to denounce you at the next party meeting.
/

91 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:43:57am

re: #87 Sharmuta

What was the question?

92 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:44:01am
They are so one-dimensional that all they know how to do is set up some conservative bad guy strawman and start throwing stones.

Even if Noam Chomsky was the Republican nominee, they would still do this, since that's all they know how to do.

They defined themselves for eight straight years as nothing but the "Party of Not-Bush", so now every Republican must become a proxy for Bush since that's all they know how to do now.

93 itellu3times  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:44:04am

re: #44 Pawn of the Oppressor

"Aligned himself with the extremists on immigration"... LOL.

Well, McCain has been running a radio ad on Rush and Hannity about how he's learned and will now enforce the borders.

But hey, you see what this is really about, McCain will now want to deny that he's aligned himself with extremists, so he'll moderate his position, and then the Republicans won't like him.

Oldest political trick in the world, jerk your opponent around, don't actually address the issues, heaven forefend.

94 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:44:57am

re: #90 jcm


Do you post at the People's Cube?

I love that site.

95 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:45:02am

re: #66 Defector01

re: #62 FoolsMate

I'll vote for McCain because the alternative still strikes me as worse but I voted for Romney in the primary in CA

I just can't do that. Bad as he may be, McCain is still different enough from the Dems to make a difference. You will never be able to undo the damage that Hillorama care will do to the economy, or the damage that pulling out of Iraq entirely will do to our international reputation and security.

I also thiink, though I may be wrong, that he is sincere in saying that he has backtracked on amnesty, and will put border control first. After all, if he doesn't, he will face an avalanche of email similar to the last time, and the press will have a field day over that.

96 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:45:13am

re: #64 hayseed

OT....i have been mostly house bound since 12/22/07 due to surgery. my wife is going to drop me off at the local tavern. I need a shot and a beer lol. It needs to stop raining in the ohio valley. Im going nuts


play nice

Hang in there.

97 spidly  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:45:26am

re: #93 itellu3times

re: #44 Pawn of the Oppressor

"Aligned himself with the extremists on immigration"... LOL.

Well, McCain has been running a radio ad on Rush and Hannity about how he's learned and will now enforce the borders.

But hey, you see what this is really about, McCain will now want to deny that he's aligned himself with extremists, so he'll moderate his position, and then the Republicans won't like him.

Oldest political trick in the world, jerk your opponent around, don't actually address the issues, heaven forefend.

effective with someone who doesn't have a core set of values

98 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:45:50am

I heard a snippet from Dean this morning saying that the American Right wants to undermine democracy in the United States.

99 brent  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:45:52am

Has anyone looked at the news for this? I swear that AP has been saying recession for the last 2 years, and they are still wrong on it...

I really just wanted to post because Dean works my very last good nerve - why doesn't he have his face buried in someone's back side, where it belongs?

Besides Terry McAulliffe, ba-zing.

100 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:46:11am

re: #30 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #26 coquimbojoe

re: #19 Carl in Jerusalem

AGGGGGHHHHHHH!

OT: Had lunch with a couple Israelis in Tijuana the other day (really) they were very unimpressed with the Winograd report. Figured it to be just a CYA. have you written on this or can point me to a good source on its conclusions?

You might want to have a look at this. It's been the main headline in Israel for much of today.

Carl - does the report say anything about the US State Dept (Secy Rice) calling in the middle of Israeli meetings and disrupting the decision cycle re the ground operation? We were there in Mezkeret Batya that summer and heard the planes roaring out and roaring back 24 hrs per day and people were talking about the U.S. DoS interfering and then saying the U.S. was "disappointed" that Israel didn't cream Hezbollah - must have been different groups' opinions. Unless they covered that dynamic, I would guess the report is a rotten mellon.

101 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:46:11am

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

How can he write crap like that and keep a straight face? It boggles the mind.

He's not right in the head, Ward. All consideration from the POV of a rational individual will yield disconnects. It's the Catch-22 of our age; to understand him, YOU'D have to be crazy, which means you wouldn't think he was crazy, therefore everyone else is crazy for thinking he's crazy, which means you and I are crazy right now and need Dean to understand us, but he can't, because we're crazy, so we think he's crazy...

/dizzy

102 Irenike  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:46:29am

If half of what Howard Dean writes is true, I will glady pull the lever for McCain in November (assuming he gets the nomination).

Methinks Dean doth exaggerate too much, unfortunately. I just can't believe McCain is that conservative.

103 rappmandu  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:46:49am

McCain says he hope his conservative critics will "calm down just a little bit and see if there are areas that we can agree on for the good of the party and for the good of the country."

You've been "cordially" invited to embrace the moosecrimp and fall in line like good, loyal little party-line voters.

104 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:47:08am
105 hayseed  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:47:11am

re: #96 Ward Cleaver

thanks ward ...my ass hurts from sitting in front of my computer.lol

bbl

106 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:47:30am

re: #98 Ringo the Gringo


Rule #1 in the commie playbook...

accuse others of that to which you aspire yourself.

107 blutonazi98  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:47:31am

the Media will crap all over McCain as soon as the primary is over. either Dem will beat McCain and both the house and Senate will increase the Democrat lead.

will you welcome your new progressive overlords?

/call me pessimistic

108 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:47:34am
109 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:48:07am

Actually, after reading Dean's rant I feel a lot better about voting for McCain.

Thanks Howard.

110 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:48:20am

re: #95 Former SSG,

Not to mention judges. The next President will get to appoint 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. I don't want Hillary or Obama making those appointments. If they pick them young enough, we're talking 30-50 years these Justices could be on the bench. McCain has promised Strict Constructionists. If we hold his feet to the fire he'll deliver just as Bush did.

111 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:48:32am

re: #98 Ringo the Gringo

I heard a snippet from Dean this morning saying that the American Right wants to undermine democracy in the United States.

Fixed it for Dean-o, no charge.

112 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:48:41am

re: #89 lawhawk

We can’t afford four more years with a President who gives tax cuts to companies who ship jobs overseas; with a President who can’t get every American the health care they deserve;

This section here is pure, unadulterated socialism of the type 1970s France would recognize, but have long since abandoned as hopelessly flawed.

Yup. Americans are now willingly buying into ideas that even the French consider too socialist.

I'm staying in Canada. Within a few years Canada will be considerably more capitalist and free-market oriented than the US.

113 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:48:58am
114 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:49:08am

re: #98 Ringo the Gringo

I heard a snippet from Dean this morning saying that the American Right wants to undermine democracy in the United States.

Lovely bit of projection there, isn't it.

115 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:49:12am

re: #104 taxfreekiller

If McCain and the RNC get the nod with 35% of the R's .

Why even bother.

President Hillary Clinton.
President Sultan O. Hussein Barack

Need more reasons?

116 jcm  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:49:18am

re: #94 Endangered in MASS

re: #90 jcm


Do you post at the People's Cube?

I love that site.

No, I visited a couple of times, but haven't had time to peruse in depth.

117 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:49:23am

re: #101 OldLineTexan

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

How can he write crap like that and keep a straight face? It boggles the mind.

He's not right in the head, Ward. All consideration from the POV of a rational individual will yield disconnects. It's the Catch-22 of our age; to understand him, YOU'D have to be crazy, which means you wouldn't think he was crazy, therefore everyone else is crazy for thinking he's crazy, which means you and I are crazy right now and need Dean to understand us, but he can't, because we're crazy, so we think he's crazy...

/dizzy

Glad I'm sitting down. Where's the smelling salts?

118 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:49:28am

re: #89 lawhawk

As usual- you make great points, and it also confirms what Kirly is saying. In effect, dr. dean has (falsely) bolstered mccain to the conservative base while simultaneously demonizing him to the left. They do want mccain as the nominee. This talking point memo is some great American political taqiyya.

119 funkyfantom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:49:31am

re: #20 Kirly

they want mccain. those of you who have yet to vote in your primaries, don't give them what they want! vote for romney. the do not want to run against romney.

I voted for romney yesterday. Strangely enough, they had me listed as a Democrat ,in error. ( Coincidentally, I happen to live in a heavily Donkey area).

Luckily, the guy in charge with the brains was a Republican- and he fixed up the situation. The Democrat observer was just employed as the guy who opened and closed the curtain.

Amusingly, on NPR this morning they reported a sad story about Democrats being listed as Republicans ( no vice versa from them, naturally, despite my experience. ) NPR said the victims couldn't vote - yet all I had to do was fill out a paper ballot and put it in an envelope with some basic simple information on the envelope.

120 mattm  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:49:32am

re: #68 EC Marm

re: #35 Maximu§



WTF? McCain tried to shove an amnesty bill down our throats, which is why we no longer trust him.


A bill which 80% of Americans rejected. Campaign contributions to McCain slowed to a dribble*.
Does the American public have that short a memory and/or attention span?

*In order to save the campaign McCain had to personally borrow millions to continue. The loan papers, because of McCain's age, required a life insurance policy in the amount of the loan. Once McCain received the money his campaign began to take off.

Some of my fellow College students cont; even remember what the Prof said 20 seconds previous. So, yes.

121 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:49:36am

re: #107 blutonazi98

the Media will crap all over McCain as soon as the primary is over. either Dem will beat McCain and both the house and Senate will increase the Democrat lead.

will you welcome your new progressive overlords?

/call me pessimistic

Pessimistic.

122 spidly  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:50:11am

re: #110 Iron Fist

re: #95 Former SSG,

Not to mention judges. The next President will get to appoint 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. I don't want Hillary or Obama making those appointments. If they pick them young enough, we're talking 30-50 years these Justices could be on the bench. McCain has promised Strict Constructionists. If we hold his feet to the fire he'll deliver just as Bush did.

yeah right
McCain Feingold lithmus test

123 MrMom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:50:33am

re: #76 Iron Fist

re: #57 MrMom,

Not me. I don't ever want to be as fucked up as Howard the Dick.


LOL! You make a good point...

124 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:51:03am

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

How can he write crap like that and keep a straight face? It boggles the mind.

OT: Have you ever been seen in the same room as Bob from the Church of the Subgenius? Just askin'.

125 RobCon  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:51:12am

Oh, it will be a landlside alright, Howie.

126 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:51:25am

re: #112 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #89 lawhawk


We can’t afford four more years with a President who gives tax cuts to companies who ship jobs overseas; with a President who can’t get every American the health care they deserve;

This section here is pure, unadulterated socialism of the type 1970s France would recognize, but have long since abandoned as hopelessly flawed.

Yup. Americans are now willingly buying into ideas that even the French consider too socialist.

I'm staying in Canada. Within a few years Canada will be considerably more capitalist and free-market oriented than the US.

I'm sorry, but since when does a memo from Howard Dean of all people indicate that Americans "are [now] willingly buying into" anything?

127 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:51:37am

re: #110 Iron Fist

re: #95 Former SSG,

Not to mention judges. The next President will get to appoint 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. I don't want Hillary or Obama making those appointments. If they pick them young enough, we're talking 30-50 years these Justices could be on the bench. McCain has promised Strict Constructionists. If we hold his feet to the fire he'll deliver just as Bush did.

Yep.
We are now in self defense mode.

128 loppyd  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:51:53am

re: #86 hayseed

re: #78 loppyd

Dean needs to stop by Babbas place she will show him the right path.

After she shows him who's boss!

Have fun at the tavern, BTW. :~)

129 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:52:05am
130 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:52:14am

The funny thing is that at least 1/3 of Republicans espouse extreme left-wing views when it comes to the economy. It never ceases to amaze me when "conservatives" call for the exact same policies ("stop shipping jobs overseas!") as Canada's ultra-Left NDP party.

131 AuldTrafford  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:52:16am

re: #43 buzzsawmonkey

re: #20 Kirly


they want mccain. those of you who have yet to vote in your primaries, don't give them what they want! vote for romney. the do not want to run against romney.

I am becoming more and more convinced that the "shoestring" Huckabee candidacy that mysteriously keeps on going and going is simply a spoiler run being financed by George Leprosy ("Soros" = "Tzaraas" = "Leprosy") to ensure that Hillary Clinton does not run against Romney, who has executive experience, but against saggy old Senator Liver Spots.

I find it interesting that a previously-unknown Arkansas governor should suddenly wake up and decide to run for President--and that his staying in the race despite his supposed lack of money should so conveniently benefit the candidacy of a former First Lady of Arkansas.

Interestingly, however, MoveOn.org has endorsed Obama. Maybe more pro-Hillary chicanery, but pretty expensive. Actually, you're probably right - just substitute "biggest liberal" for "Hillary".

132 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:52:18am

re: #107 blutonazi98

the Media will crap all over McCain as soon as the primary is over. either Dem will beat McCain and both the house and Senate will increase the Democrat lead.

will you welcome your new progressive overlords?

/call me pessimistic

That's why they love him. If he loses, Conservative Republicans lose.

If he wins... Conservative Republicans lose.

What's not to like, if you're a Democrat strategist?

133 spidly  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:52:34am

re: #126 OldLineTexan

re: #112 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #89 lawhawk


We can’t afford four more years with a President who gives tax cuts to companies who ship jobs overseas; with a President who can’t get every American the health care they deserve;


This section here is pure, unadulterated socialism of the type 1970s France would recognize, but have long since abandoned as hopelessly flawed.Yup. Americans are now willingly buying into ideas that even the French consider too socialist.

I'm staying in Canada. Within a few years Canada will be considerably more capitalist and free-market oriented than the US.

I'm sorry, but since when does a memo from Howard Dean of all people indicate that Americans "are [now] willingly buying into" anything?

they've gotten the McCain memo too a

134 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:52:41am

"i don't just want to beat john mccain. i want a landslide."
well, howard, i want a cheese burger and i'm going to go get one.

135 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:53:26am

re: #100 Sunlight

re: #30 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #26 coquimbojoe

re: #19 Carl in Jerusalem

AGGGGGHHHHHHH!

OT: Had lunch with a couple Israelis in Tijuana the other day (really) they were very unimpressed with the Winograd report. Figured it to be just a CYA. have you written on this or can point me to a good source on its conclusions?

You might want to have a look at this. It's been the main headline in Israel for much of today.

Carl - does the report say anything about the US State Dept (Secy Rice) calling in the middle of Israeli meetings and disrupting the decision cycle re the ground operation? We were there in Mezkeret Batya that summer and heard the planes roaring out and roaring back 24 hrs per day and people were talking about the U.S. DoS interfering and then saying the U.S. was "disappointed" that Israel didn't cream Hezbollah - must have been different groups' opinions. Unless they covered that dynamic, I would guess the report is a rotten mellon.

Sunlight,

The report is a 617-page pdf and I have not read it yet. In fact, someone had to send it to me, because when I tried to download it, it crashed my computer.

It wasn't State that was upset that Israel didn't cream Hezbullah; it was the neocons over at Defense. In fact, they managed to get W to approve Israel going after Syria as well, but Olmert was afraid to do it.

As to Condi, yesterday I blogged an article by David Makovsky which argued that Israel had been 'blindsided' by the US making sudden changes to UNSCR 1701. I argued that - much as I don't like Livni - Israel might not have been 'blindsided' had Olmert not vetoed sending Livni to New York in a fit of petty political revenge.

136 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:53:26am

re: #116 jcm


The stuff they post is funny. The comment threads are even more entertaining.

137 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:53:34am

re: #126 OldLineTexan

Americans are about to elect one of the left-wing Democrat candidates. The most left-wing President in US history, regardless of whether it is Hillary or Obama (or both on the same ticket).

/Trouble ahead.

138 beachkatie  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:53:49am

re: #8 Shug

Great avatar!

139 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:53:59am

re: #124 coquimbojoe

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

How can he write crap like that and keep a straight face? It boggles the mind.

OT: Have you ever been seen in the same room as Bob from the Church of the Subgenius? Just askin'.

I'm not tellin'.

/nope

140 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:54:33am

re: #135 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #100 Sunlight

re: #30 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #26 coquimbojoe

re: #19 Carl in Jerusalem

AGGGGGHHHHHHH!

OT: Had lunch with a couple Israelis in Tijuana the other day (really) they were very unimpressed with the Winograd report. Figured it to be just a CYA. have you written on this or can point me to a good source on its conclusions?

You might want to have a look at this. It's been the main headline in Israel for much of today.

Carl - does the report say anything about the US State Dept (Secy Rice) calling in the middle of Israeli meetings and disrupting the decision cycle re the ground operation? We were there in Mezkeret Batya that summer and heard the planes roaring out and roaring back 24 hrs per day and people were talking about the U.S. DoS interfering and then saying the U.S. was "disappointed" that Israel didn't cream Hezbollah - must have been different groups' opinions. Unless they covered that dynamic, I would guess the report is a rotten mellon.

Sunlight,

The report is a 617-page pdf and I have not read it yet. In fact, someone had to send it to me, because when I tried to download it, it crashed my computer.

It wasn't State that was upset that Israel didn't cream Hezbullah; it was the neocons over at Defense. In fact, they managed to get W to approve Israel going after Syria as well, but Olmert was afraid to do it.

As to Condi, yesterday I blogged an article by David Makovsky which argued that Israel had been 'blindsided' by the US making sudden changes to UNSCR 1701. I argued that - much as I don't like Livni - Israel might not have been 'blindsided' had Olmert not vetoed sending Livni to New York in a fit of petty political revenge.

Sorry, I hit send too soon. Here's the link on the neocons and Israel attacking Syria.

141 chinesearithmetic  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:54:38am

And THAT, Mom and Dad, is why I cast my first vote as a registered Republican yesterday.

142 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:55:11am

re: #9 Iron Fist

Do you realize how far L³eft you have to be to consider McCain a right-winger? Wow. They are completely out of touch with reality.

You'd practically have to wrap around to the right. Oy.

143 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:55:11am

re: #137 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #126 OldLineTexan

Americans are about to elect one of the left-wing Democrat candidates. The most left-wing President in US history, regardless of whether it is Hillary or Obama (or both on the same ticket).

/Trouble ahead.

And I am "willingly buying into" this exactly how?

144 rappmandu  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:55:30am

McCain and the RNC will not listen to one word you have to say, unless they are seriously afraid that they've got a mutiny on their hands. If you want McCain to move on issues important to you, what incentive does he have if you say that you'll hold your nose and vote for him no matter what come November?

145 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:55:53am
146 Tumulus11  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:56:16am

'Expect to hear these over and over.'


[We can’t afford four more years] with a President who drives the economy into the ground.

[We can’t afford four more years] with a President who fights an endless war in Iraq.

[We can’t afford four more years] with a President who gives tax cuts to companies who ship jobs overseas;

[We can’t afford four more years] with a President who can’t get every American the health care they deserve;

[We can’t afford four more years] with a President we just can’t trust.


. Already, the repetition is irritating.

Dr. Dean is giving me nausea.

[We can’t afford four more years of Hillary Jefferson Clinton.]

. Drink.

147 Aviator  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:56:23am

I am afraid McCain gets creamed and takes the down ticket races with him.

148 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:56:25am
149 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:56:28am

To paraphrase Shakespeare,

"What a piece of work is Dean! how ignoble in reason! how finite in faculty! in form and moving how express and laughable! in action how like a fool! in apprehension how like a screaming little girl! the ego of the world, the paragon of democrats! "

150 jones  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:56:29am

Vizzini: INCONCEIVABLE
HOWARD DEAN:On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.
Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

151 loppyd  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:56:31am

re: #58 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #40 loppyd

The Dean Scream

Now you're going to give me nightmares!

Ever see the Seinfelds when Elaine worked for Mr. Pitt? Dean reminds me of him. The sock episode was my favorite...

"Ultimately I don't think they'll stay up."

152 MrMom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:56:33am

re: #103 rappmandu

MOOSECRIMP
/aaahhhhhhh...

153 spidly  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:57:15am

re: #134 nyc redneck

"i don't just want to beat john mccain. i want a landslide."
well, howard, i want a cheese burger and i'm going to go get one.

he defeat a candidate in a landslide, why's he thinking so small? he's poised to crush the party too in a tectonic realignment.

154 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:57:28am

re: #143 OldLineTexan

re: #137 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #126 OldLineTexan

Americans are about to elect one of the left-wing Democrat candidates. The most left-wing President in US history, regardless of whether it is Hillary or Obama (or both on the same ticket).

/Trouble ahead.

And I am "willingly buying into" this exactly how?

I said "Americans" not you. If America elects a leftist government by majority vote then it is fair to say that "Americans" "bought into" the ideas presented during the campaign.

155 loppyd  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:59:17am

re: #79 Endangered in MASS

Lovey, could you please get me a warm towel? I have such a headache...

156 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:59:44am

re: #135 Carl in Jerusalem

Thanks for the info. When will our leaders get some spine?

157 EC Marm  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:59:51am

re: #144 rappmandu

McCain and the RNC will not listen to one word you have to say, unless they are seriously afraid that they've got a mutiny on their hands. If you want McCain to move on issues important to you, what incentive does he have if you say that you'll hold your nose and vote for him no matter what come November?


Bears repeating.

158 Highrise  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:01:22am

re: #144 rappmandu

McCain and the RNC will not listen to one word you have to say, unless they are seriously afraid that they've got a mutiny on their hands. If you want McCain to move on issues important to you, what incentive does he have if you say that you'll hold your nose and vote for him no matter what come November?

Exactly. His record speaks for itself. As to him appointing "conservative judges"...ha!

159 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:01:46am

122, 127. etc.

You're right about judges, and being in self-defense mode. I have to hope that there are enough voters who will put the country (best man for the job, of the two candidates) over the party (teach Republicans to be more conservative by punishing them with a Dem for pres...)

I vote Republican because it is closest to my beliefs, not because any of them are perfect, or even perfect matches for my views.

I no longer vote Democrat because the far right has taken over. I like decent social programs for people who need care - elderly, handicapped, children. We should care for those who cannot care for themselves. BUT that is entirely different from an "entitlement." The very word pisses me off.

160 rappmandu  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:01:50am

Is McCain willing to compromise on moosecrimp?

/Moderation in all things, INCLUDING moderation.

161 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:01:58am

re: #154 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #143 OldLineTexan


re: #137 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #126 OldLineTexan

Americans are about to elect one of the left-wing Democrat candidates. The most left-wing President in US history, regardless of whether it is Hillary or Obama (or both on the same ticket).

/Trouble ahead.


And I am "willingly buying into" this exactly how?

I said "Americans" not you. If America elects a leftist government by majority vote then it is fair to say that "Americans" "bought into" the ideas presented during the campaign.

Sorry, I will have to continue to disagree with that last statement. It is neither fair nor accurate. I didn't buy into Bill Clinton's garbage. So yes, Americans elected Bill, but not all of us liked it or bought it. In fact, I opposed Bill where he needed opposing for eight endless years.

162 loppyd  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:02:55am

re: #161 OldLineTexan

Sorry, I will have to continue to disagree with that last statement. It is neither fair nor accurate. I didn't buy into Bill Clinton's garbage. So yes, Americans elected Bill, but not all of us liked it or bought it. In fact, I opposed Bill where he needed opposing for eight endless years.

It was hate at first sight for me.

163 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:03:26am

re: #21 Kenneth

Ringo the Gringo,

Thank you for posting the link, in the Link Viewer section, to
Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings, 9-11 Concert.

Beautiful & profoundly moving.

Incredible. It's amazing that the musicians could get through that piece without completely breaking down.

164 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:03:42am

re: #137 Pro-Bush Canuck

Americans are about to elect one of the left-wing Democrat candidates. The most left-wing President in US history, regardless of whether it is Hillary or Obama (or both on the same ticket).

You said it! Hillary in the White House will be enough to make even Tammy Bruce want Bill to put Hillary's ass back in the kitchen and re-take charge.

And Obama, seriously, that one scares me the most. The untold damage an Obama Presidency could do... His first order won't be just to empty Guantanamo, but make them all citizens and pay them millions as an "apology". Then he'll pardon Mumia and the Democrats will hand him a nice 22 Billion dollar Reparations package, which will be paid for by a 60% decrease in military spending and a massive tax increase on every non-black American (this will be a feature of the Reparations package) making more than $100,000.

I fear there will be literal blood in the streets if Obama is President. He will rip this country apart with his policies and it will never be the same. If Obama is the nominee you "I'll never pull the lever for McCain" Republicans better start extracting your craniums from your anuses. I mean, I'm only talking about saving America as you know it.

165 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:03:49am
166 MrMom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:03:50am

re: #144 rappmandu

I just emailed the RNC this morning. Told them I (nor any other self-respecting conservative) will hold my nose and vote for a liberal like McCain or Huckleberry. Waiting for my reply.
/crickets....

167 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:04:04am

re: #72 Diamond Bullet

I received something similar from my democratic Congressman in the mail 2 years ago- so I left the survey blank, but wrote him a note telling him I wasn't about to serve as a focus group for him on tax payer funded stationary and mailed it back to him.

168 shoey  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:04:25am

Dean says:
"I don’t just want to beat John McCain - I want it to be a landslide."

and it will be... what a freakin' shame

the open borders shitbirds have trianglulated us into accepting one of their own for POTUS.. let's all say it together; I pledge allegence to La Raza and to the Aztecland that they have created..

169 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:04:43am

re: #148 taxfreekiller

The RNC had a choice, now its almost done.

It was not a choice of reason, greed and mad power over comes.
Now that the judgment nears, they blame the tfk's
who rode shouting loud for the last 4 years.

No "blame", knows its source better than any.

Not that the Democrats will ever say thanks out in the open,
should you be a member of the cloak room cult of your former Senate,
the smiles and back slaps would be very telling.

That we conservatives split ourselves between Romney, Huckabee, Hunter, Rudy, and Tancredo didn't help our cause.

170 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:05:07am

re: #161 OldLineTexan

re: #154 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #143 OldLineTexan


re: #137 Pro-Bush Canuck


re: #126 OldLineTexanAmericans are about to elect one of the left-wing Democrat candidates. The most left-wing President in US history, regardless of whether it is Hillary or Obama (or both on the same ticket).

/Trouble ahead.


And I am "willingly buying into" this exactly how?


I said "Americans" not you. If America elects a leftist government by majority vote then it is fair to say that "Americans" "bought into" the ideas presented during the campaign.

Sorry, I will have to continue to disagree with that last statement. It is neither fair nor accurate. I didn't buy into Bill Clinton's garbage. So yes, Americans elected Bill, but not all of us liked it or bought it. In fact, I opposed Bill where he needed opposing for eight endless years.

Yes of course you oppose it, as do I and every other Lizard. I was using the word "Americans" to represent the polity, which via elections decides which ideas will be put into play in the country. Right now I see Americans collectively leaning toward electing a government which will give Canada a run for its money when it comes to bad ideas. Obviously I could be wrong, and I sure hope I am wrong.

171 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:05:21am

re: #137 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #126 OldLineTexan

Americans are about to elect one of the left-wing Democrat candidates. The most left-wing President in US history, regardless of whether it is Hillary or Obama (or both on the same ticket).

/Trouble ahead.

"Trouble ahead,
Trouble behind.
And, you know that notion
Just crossed my mind."

...be Greatful you're dead, Jerry...

JAFLW

172 mama winger  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:05:28am
On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Works for me.

173 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:05:41am
174 Dianna  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:06:12am

I so wish people would not ascribe magical powers to the Presidency. There is bugger all a President can do about the economy, and that is a consistent red herring.

No, I take that back. The President has the same power over the economy that any talking head has.

175 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:06:15am

re: #168 shoey

Dean says:
"I don’t just want to beat John McCain - I want it to be a landslide."

and it will be... what a freakin' shame

the open borders shitbirds have trianglulated us into accepting one of their own for POTUS.. let's all say it together; I pledge allegence to La Raza and to the Aztecland that they have created..

Well, we have restored the San Jacinto battlefield to its 1836 condition (as much as possible), so I guess we can do it again.

176 marjoriemoon  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:06:16am

re: #72 Diamond Bullet

So you think that asking your constituents what they think is a bad thing? Better they should do whatever the hell they want, whether they represent the desire of the people or not? Interesting take. Maybe you'd feel better living under a dictatorship where no one gives a hoot what you think.

177 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:06:17am

re: #161 OldLineTexan

re: #154 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #143 OldLineTexan


re: #137 Pro-Bush Canuck


re: #126 OldLineTexanAmericans are about to elect one of the left-wing Democrat candidates. The most left-wing President in US history, regardless of whether it is Hillary or Obama (or both on the same ticket).

/Trouble ahead.


And I am "willingly buying into" this exactly how?


I said "Americans" not you. If America elects a leftist government by majority vote then it is fair to say that "Americans" "bought into" the ideas presented during the campaign.

Sorry, I will have to continue to disagree with that last statement. It is neither fair nor accurate. I didn't buy into Bill Clinton's garbage. So yes, Americans elected Bill, but not all of us liked it or bought it. In fact, I opposed Bill where he needed opposing for eight endless years.

Yes, and you can thank Perot for helping to get "Plurarlity" Clinton into the White House.

178 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:06:18am

re: #165 buzzsawmonkey,

Or Ginsburg. Think 2-3 more Ginsburgs on the Court. If that doesn't scare you, you need to turn in your "Vast Right-wing Conspiracy" Membership card.

179 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:06:33am

re: #172 mama winger

On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Works for me.

Me too.

180 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:06:57am

No matter who the GOP nominee is - the left and the left-wing media will brand him "the 3rd Bush term".

181 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:07:03am

re: #156 coquimbojoe

re: #135 Carl in Jerusalem

Thanks for the info. When will our leaders get some spine?

Don't hold your breath waiting.

182 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:07:25am

re: #172 mama winger

On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Works for me.

I read recently that more women are troubled by abortion than men.

183 Trekkie  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:07:51am

if they want a landslide, ask hilary to step down, otherwise, it's going to leave us independents voting for McCain over Clinton. Least in my poll of friends. Though at the same time I only have friends that are middle of the road so it's a biased poll, but right now if it's Clinton vs. McCain it's an easy answer.

Yeah, so I like Obama, don't kill me. As in that David Lee Roth video from the 80s, he's got Ka-Raz-Muh and I have enjoyed listening to his speeches.

184 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:07:52am
185 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:08:05am

re: #175 OldLineTexan

re: #168 shoey

Dean says:
"I don’t just want to beat John McCain - I want it to be a landslide."

and it will be... what a freakin' shame

the open borders shitbirds have trianglulated us into accepting one of their own for POTUS.. let's all say it together; I pledge allegence to La Raza and to the Aztecland that they have created..

Well, we have restored the San Jacinto battlefield to its 1836 condition (as much as possible), so I guess we can do it again.

I gotta visit down there one of these days. Never been there.

186 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:08:18am

re: #157 EC Marm

re: #144 rappmandu


McCain and the RNC will not listen to one word you have to say, unless they are seriously afraid that they've got a mutiny on their hands. If you want McCain to move on issues important to you, what incentive does he have if you say that you'll hold your nose and vote for him no matter what come November?

Bears repeating.

If McCain gets the nomination, then the GOP is no longer a conservative party, just the Dem-lites. I'll be done with them and supporting any actual conservatives who decide to run.

187 mama winger  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:08:33am

re: #182 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #172 mama winger

On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Works for me.

I read recently that more women are troubled by abortion than men.

It is innately repugnant to extinguish one's one child.

188 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:08:51am

re: #155 loppyd

Lovey they couldn't make my cheese steak with brie!Then I had tro eat something with tomatos.

189 mama winger  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:08:52am

one's OWN child.

sorry

190 MrMom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:09:01am

re: #174 Dianna

He He...she said "bugger"

191 mattm  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:09:07am

re: #164 Lizard by the Bay

re: #137 Pro-Bush Canuck

Americans are about to elect one of the left-wing Democrat candidates. The most left-wing President in US history, regardless of whether it is Hillary or Obama (or both on the same ticket).

You said it! Hillary in the White House will be enough to make even Tammy Bruce want Bill to put Hillary's ass back in the kitchen and re-take charge.

And Obama, seriously, that one scares me the most. The untold damage an Obama Presidency could do... His first order won't be just to empty Guantanamo, but make them all citizens and pay them millions as an "apology". Then he'll pardon Mumia and the Democrats will hand him a nice 22 Billion dollar Reparations package, which will be paid for by a 60% decrease in military spending and a massive tax increase on every non-black American (this will be a feature of the Reparations package) making more than $100,000.

I fear there will be literal blood in the streets if Obama is President. He will rip this country apart with his policies and it will never be the same. If Obama is the nominee you "I'll never pull the lever for McCain" Republicans better start extracting your craniums from your anuses. I mean, I'm only talking about saving America as you know it.

Some registered Dems I know did not vote for Shillary or Barack Hussein Obama they voted for a candidate that had dropped out. Even some Dems are that afraid of what Barack would do.

192 EC Marm  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:09:19am

re: #172 mama winger

On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Works for me.


That is the only 'clean end' of the McCain turd.

193 Dianna  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:09:26am

re: #159 Former SSG

BUT that is entirely different from an "entitlement." The very word pisses me off.

I so agree with you on that. I wish we could add an amendment to the Constitution that says something like: Charity is charity. It shall not be construed to be a right, or an entitlement.

Of course, ten minutes later, we'd have to say, "and this time, we really, really mean it!"

194 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:09:42am

re: #172 mama winger

On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Works for me.

don't hold your breath on that one.

195 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:09:42am

re: #185 Ward Cleaver

Last I was there, they were still working on the monument restoration. I will be there April 21st with my father, brothers, and son.

196 mama winger  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:09:51am

re: #192 EC Marm

It's a pretty big end. Life v Death.

197 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:10:02am

re: #151 loppyd

re: #58 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #40 loppyd

The Dean Scream

Now you're going to give me nightmares!

Ever see the Seinfelds when Elaine worked for Mr. Pitt? Dean reminds me of him. The sock episode was my favorite...

"Ultimately I don't think they'll stay up."

Unfortunately, Seinfeld was after I moved to Israel, so I've seen very few episodes (mostly on American Airlines trans-Atlantic flights).

Speaking of which.... Loppy, Endangered, Fenway and anyone else in the Boston area,

I'm going to be in Boston again from the 17th to the 28th and would love to meet up with you guys (not on Friday or Saturday) if we can work it out. Best thing is probably lunch during the week downtown if you guys can (there are only two places where I eat downtown and they're two branches of the same place so if you guys can do it, I'll tell you where they are).

198 mama winger  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:10:36am

re: #194 nyc redneck

re: #172 mama winger

On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Works for me.

don't hold your breath on that one.

I haven't been holding my breath since 1973. But I have developed a much larger lung capacity.

199 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:11:01am

re: #183 Trekkie

Yeah, so I like Obama, don't kill me. As in that David Lee Roth video from the 80s, he's got Ka-Raz-Muh and I have enjoyed listening to his speeches.

This is who you are.

200 Bat Boy  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:11:02am

Bat Boy is a HUGE fan of Dr. Dean. The screaming, schvetting, fits of anger small stature, and the general craziness backed by real anger makes him darn near perfect to run the Democrap party.

Viva el Deano!

/Bat Boy out!

201 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:11:14am
202 Dianna  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:11:14am

re: #168 shoey

Oh, then you're taking Spanish?

203 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:11:15am

re: #174 Dianna

I so wish people would not ascribe magical powers to the Presidency. There is bugger all a President can do about the economy, and that is a consistent red herring.

No, I take that back. The President has the same power over the economy that any talking head has.

What happened with your headache yesterday? I gather you're okay?

204 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:11:16am

re: #187 mama winger

re: #182 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #172 mama winger

On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Works for me.

I read recently that more women are troubled by abortion than men.

It is innately repugnant to extinguish one's one child.

And there are enough studies reading post-abortive depression and suicide rates to back it up.

205 Cygnus  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:11:17am

Just for fun - Hillary and Bill.

/thank you ship-of-fools.com

206 nyc redneck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:11:32am

re: #187 mama winger

re: #182 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #172 mama winger

On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Works for me.

I read recently that more women are troubled by abortion than men.

It is innately repugnant to extinguish one's one child.

i agree mama, that's how i felt when i was a pg. teenager.

207 mama winger  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:11:48am

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

re: #198 mama winger

I haven't been holding my breath since 1973. But I have developed a much larger lung capacity.

Guinness Book of Records?

No. that would be Mother Theresa, may she rest in peace.

208 MrMom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:11:52am

re: #182 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #172 mama winger


On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Works for me.

I read recently that more women are troubled by abortion than men.
With no commentary at all, simply mathematics.....There have been 40 million abortions since Roe v. Wade and now we have such a labor shortage, we have to allow criminal aliens to do it.
/just sayin'
209 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:12:12am

re: #185 Ward Cleaver

re: #175 OldLineTexan


re: #168 shoey

Dean says:
"I don’t just want to beat John McCain - I want it to be a landslide."

and it will be... what a freakin' shame

the open borders shitbirds have trianglulated us into accepting one of their own for POTUS.. let's all say it together; I pledge allegence to La Raza and to the Aztecland that they have created..


Well, we have restored the San Jacinto battlefield to its 1836 condition (as much as possible), so I guess we can do it again.

I gotta visit down there one of these days. Never been there.

"From the Halls of Montezuma" wasn't just a snappy catchphrase either

210 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:12:19am

re: #192 EC Marm


re: #172 mama winger

On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Works for me.


That is the only 'clean end' of the McCain turd.

But, I'm confused here. Wasn't McCain being a part of the "gang of 14" just a way to suck up to the left and keep more Alitos and such off the bench? Now he loves constructionist judges?

211 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:12:55am

re: #204 Ward Cleaver

re: #187 mama winger

re: #182 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #172 mama winger

On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Works for me.

I read recently that more women are troubled by abortion than men.

It is innately repugnant to extinguish one's one child.

And there are enough studies reading post-abortive depression and suicide rates to back it up.

regarding, not reading

PIMF

212 mama winger  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:13:29am

re: #210 Spenser (with an S)

Wasn't McCain being a part of the "gang of 14" just a way to suck up to the left and keep more Alitos and such off the bench?

But didn't that result in getting Bush's pick thru? I may be confused on that. So much has intervened I lose track.

213 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:13:39am
214 Paul Atreides  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:13:50am

Now, John McCain will get to see what all of his licking of the Dim's boots will get him.

Lap it up, John, they are the people with whom you gladly shake hands while kicking members of your own party in the teeth.

If Livia Rodham gets the nomination, let's see how much she respects you during the campaign.

215 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:13:56am

re: #191 mattm

Obama will do what he is told to do by his Chicago Machine handlers. His first order of business would be to end the investigations into Daley and Blagojevich. Second order of business would be to get rid of Patrick Fitzgerald as US Attorney in Chicago.

216 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:14:13am

re: #208 MrMom

re: #182 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #172 mama winger


On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.


Works for me.


I read recently that more women are troubled by abortion than men.
With no commentary at all, simply mathematics.....There have been 40 million abortions since Roe v. Wade and now we have such a labor shortage, we have to allow criminal aliens to do it.
/just sayin'

For the same reasons that more women are troubled by, and less likely to engage in, casual sex than men. The aftermath has consequences for them.

217 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:14:13am

re: #208 MrMom

re: #182 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #172 mama winger


On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.


Works for me.


I read recently that more women are troubled by abortion than men.
With no commentary at all, simply mathematics.....There have been 40 million abortions since Roe v. Wade and now we have such a labor shortage, we have to allow criminal aliens to do it.
/just sayin'

Yup, and look what's happened in Europe.

/importing rop types

218 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:14:24am

re: #202 Dianna

re: #168 shoey

Oh, then you're taking Spanish?

What I have never understood about the Aztlan dopes is that all their literature is in an (evil) (Caucasian) (European invader) language.

219 shoey  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:14:24am

i may vote for Obama if takes the dem nomination, why? not because i believe in anything he stands for but for the purpose of making things so much worse that ppl finally wake up, 4 or 8 years of Obama's moonbat liberalism/socialism ought to do it

220 Bat Boy  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:14:24am

re: #213 buzzsawmonkey

So...McCain is a jackass in elephant's clothing?

Still makes him a Jackass.
/BBO!

221 TMF  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:15:07am

Still angry and deceptive I see

222 Dianna  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:15:17am

re: #190 MrMom

I like the phrase.

Before I got married, I wore a black shawl,
But since I got married, I wore bugger all.
223 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:15:36am

re: #215 Honorary Yooper

re: #191 mattm

Obama will do what he is told to do by his Chicago Machine handlers. His first order of business would be to end the investigations into Daley and Blagojevich. Second order of business would be to get rid of Patrick Fitzgerald as US Attorney in Chicago.

Yeah, and there won't be any stink, or investigation, into US Attorney firings. Guaranteed.

224 mama winger  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:15:43am

re: #219 shoey

i may vote for Obama if takes the dem nomination, why? not because i believe in anything he stands for but for the purpose of making things so much worse that ppl finally wake up, 4 or 8 years of Obama's moonbat liberalism/socialism ought to do it

So you ascribe to the 'let's let our country tank to save it' school of thought.

Too many intervening unknown variables to bank on that strategy.

225 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:16:39am

re: #219 shoey

i may vote for Obama if takes the dem nomination, why? not because i believe in anything he stands for but for the purpose of making things so much worse that ppl finally wake up, 4 or 8 years of Obama's moonbat liberalism/socialism ought to do it

Hey, as long as you're cool with the suffering everyone endures in the meantime...

Here's a thought. Do you suppose damage to the country could be done that is irreversible? Or is that not a consideration in your suicidal plan?

226 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:16:56am

re: #193 Dianna

Charity is fine, when given in the right spirit. But I do believe as a country and a nation and group, we should care for those who really can't care for themselves. A single parent may need help. Social services is right to remove children from abuse and the elderly poor need us. But that should be a matter-of-fact thing, and done in a civilized way by our civilization.

227 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:17:08am

re: #212 mama winger,

That resulted in Alito getting through, as well as a few others. It preserves the right to filibuster judges, as well. Something we may appreciate if Clinton or Obama becomes President (if the Republicans have the balls to use it).

228 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:17:18am

HMCS Charlottetown rescues Pakistani sailors

Two Pakistani sailors found adrift on a barge in the Arabian Sea on Sunday are thanking their lucky stars for Canada's HMCS Charlottetown, which picked them up after three days without food, water or shelter from the elements.

Be grateful pakistan. Be very grateful, or Stephane Dion will invade!

229 shoey  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:17:18am

re: #202 Dianna
may as well learn now, in twenty years you won't have a choice

230 TMF  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:17:24am

SPenser

Wasn't McCain being a part of the "gang of 14" just a way to suck up to the left and keep more Alitos and such off the bench?

Umm, no.

He was a part of the gang of 14 to make sure Roberts and Alito got on the bench- which , uhh, they did.

Schumer and other extremists were threatening to fillibuster and McCain cut a deal with some moderate dems to prevent that

231 OldLineTexan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:17:33am

re: #223 Ward Cleaver

re: #215 Honorary Yooper


re: #191 mattm

Obama will do what he is told to do by his Chicago Machine handlers. His first order of business would be to end the investigations into Daley and Blagojevich. Second order of business would be to get rid of Patrick Fitzgerald as US Attorney in Chicago.


Yeah, and there won't be any stink, or investigation, into US Attorney firings. Guaranteed.

Well, if he fires Johnny "Show me a Border Patrol Agent, and I'll show you a Federal inmate" Sutton, I may have to give him credit.

Bush shoulda just fired 'em all, like Bill, then made them all interview for their jobs.

232 mama winger  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:17:35am

gotta go

my bum of a son wants the computer

dang him

233 ShiiteRepublican  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:17:39am

If McCain gets the nomination, then the GOP is no longer a conservative party, just the Dem-lites. I'll be done with them and supporting any actual conservatives who decide to run.

I'll have to become the ShiiteIndependent. I can't drink the kool-aid.

234 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:17:48am

re: #140 Carl in Jerusalem

It wasn't State that was upset that Israel didn't cream Hezbullah; it was the neocons over at Defense. In fact, they managed to get W to approve Israel going after Syria as well, but Olmert was afraid to do it.

State not only wasn't upset, to the contrary, they were seemingly the cause of Olmert's hesitations. So really the "neocons over at Defense" need to char the State Dept interference, not the Israeli military (or civilian govt). Everyone (or so I imagined) thought that when Israel got out of Lebanon in 2000 that they would have the right to defend themselves on that border. The story was that Ms. Rice called repeatedly with "don't you believe in diplomacy anymore" messages and Olmert waited. Then the State Dept. did not come through with anything that stopped the rockets and left Israel in the lurch with the Hezbollah infrastructure that the jets couldn't demolish in place. Thank goodness they (you) did go in at the end to push back from the border. I actually think your govt walked a very fine line quite well. (Also there was the sense of hunkering down and holding in place so that the conflict disrupted but didn't destroy your lovely country and the unbelievable development you've done.) But it enrages me when our US govt wants Israelis to sit still under rockets and absorb the casualties.

235 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:17:52am

re: #179 Ward Cleaver

re: #172 mama winger

On a woman’s right to choose, McCain has vowed to appoint judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade.

Works for me.

Me too.

You don't actually believe him, do you?

/he can't be trusted

236 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:18:07am

re: #219 shoey

i may vote for Obama if takes the dem nomination, why? not because i believe in anything he stands for but for the purpose of making things so much worse that ppl finally wake up, 4 or 8 years of Obama's moonbat liberalism/socialism ought to do it

I accidentally gave you a plus, I meant to click you with a big thumbs down.

You McCain haters are beginning to sound as crazy as Howlin' Howard Dean.

237 jcm  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:18:11am

Listening to Rush,
He's hit two items in a row that were in Spinoff links yesterday....
Coincidence?

238 TMF  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:18:15am

If your going to bash McCain at least have an education of the facts above the DU level

239 Paul Atreides  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:18:31am
So...McCain is a jackass in elephant's clothing?

In ANY clothing.

240 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:19:02am

re: #224 mama winger

Also, it's loke someone said today (I forget where): it's like being an alcoholic, when you hit rock bottom, you may not come up again.

241 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:19:11am
Just received from the Howard Dean mailing list at democrats.org—the official progressive talking points, titled, “How we’ll beat John McCain.” Expect to hear these over and over.

and over and over and over and over and over and over...

242 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:19:21am

I know I'm late to this ,, and it might have already been said ,,, BUT

"Howard Dean Sends Out the Talking Points"

Thank God someone looked on a milk carton and found him ,, I was getting worried ! (can anyone say ,, VINCE FOSTER ! )

243 Dianna  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:19:57am

re: #203 Carl in Jerusalem

Much better, thank you! I had a fever; some sort of 24-hour flu. I went to bed, woke up about three drenched in sweat, and felt much better. Went back to sleep again until about six, got up, checked in on primary results (gloom and doom) went back to bed after House.

I'm at work, a little shaky, but here. No headache, stomach back to normal.

There's a pool among my friends as to whether I make it through hapkido practice tonight without collapsing, though.

244 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:20:31am

re: #238 TMF

If your going to bash McCain at least have an education of the facts above the DU level

Uh, who are you talking to? I've got a raft of McCain problems, the gang of 14 question was just that, a question.

245 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:20:38am
246 mattm  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:20:56am

re: #225 Lizard by the Bay

I believe the damage Obama would do is irreversible. The damage he would do to the Military/Iraq would take at least 1 term of a Regan to fix. Never mind the socialism he is for.

247 Bat Boy  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:21:09am

re: #237 jcm

Listening to Rush,
He's hit two items in a row that were in Spinoff links yesterday....
Coincidence?

Hey JCM. Probably not. Spinoffs are probably become part of his, and other research departments - as are Lucianne and Freerepublic to name a few of my own...

248 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:21:15am

Afghan mission to be put to a vote

OTTAWA -- The Harper government will table a motion this week on the recent Manley report on the Afghanistan mission, raising the stakes in an already heated debate over the future of Canada's role in the war.

Debate in Parliament on the motion is expected to begin next week and a vote could come in late March, said Carolyn Stewart Olsen, press secretary to Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

"If we believe our NATO allies will be forthcoming with the assistance we have asked for, the vote will take place in late March," she said.

249 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:21:21am

re: #245 buzzsawmonkey

BINGO

250 loppyd  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:21:26am

re: #197 Carl in Jerusalem

I work up on the North Shore so a midday lunch in Boston is probably not doable. Maybe we can try to work something else out, though! It sounds like fun!

251 funkyfantom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:21:45am

re: #199 Lizard by the Bay

re: #183 Trekkie

Yeah, so I like Obama, don't kill me. As in that David Lee Roth video from the 80s, he's got Ka-Raz-Muh and I have enjoyed listening to his speeches.

This is who you are.

Obama does have accomplishments. For example, he is an accomplished simpleton who said that our troops in Afghanistan were bombing "innocent villagers". But then he said he wanted to send the same troops to "invade Pakistan", presumably to bomb some "innocent villagers" over there.

So in summary, the guy has accomplished convincing me that he is a superficial dufus whose foreign policy smarts fall far short of the average barstool loudmouth.

252 Dianna  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:22:10am

re: #218 OldLineTexan

You're not alone in that.

253 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:22:15am

re: #144 rappmandu

McCain and the RNC will not listen to one word you have to say, unless they are seriously afraid that they've got a mutiny on their hands. If you want McCain to move on issues important to you, what incentive does he have if you say that you'll hold your nose and vote for him no matter what come November?

Should be interesting to see what happens to their fund raising coffers after all this, huh?

254 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:22:21am

re: #197 Carl in Jerusalem


Let me know. I am leaving for Florida on the 26th.

255 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:22:22am

re: #43 buzzsawmonkey

Very possible.
AR Governors are not to be trusted.

256 EC Marm  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:22:23am

re: #238 TMF

If your going to bash McCain at least have an education of the facts above the DU level


Talking about education, it is "you're" not "your".

257 zombie  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:22:26am

This is interesting.

If you want to get an idea of the kind of environment I live in.

I was forwarded an email sent to a neighborhood group email list near where I live.

It was made by a poll worker who tallied up ALL the votes at her polling station, for all the parties. It's pretty revealing.

Brace yourself:

Barack Obama 331 votes
Hillary Clinton 80 votes
Bill Richardson 1 vote
Dennis Kucinich 5 votes
John Edwards 2 votes
Micke Huckabee 2 votes
Fred Thompson 1 vote
Ron Paul 2 votes
John McCain 6 votes
Cynthia McKinney 6 votes
Ralph Nader 2 votes
Mitt Romney 0 votes
Rudolph Giuliani 0 votes
other write ins 12 votes

---------------------

All the Republicans combined got fewer votes than the write-in joke candidates.

258 Iron Fist  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:22:40am

re: #219 shoey,

No disrespect, but that sounds like Communist doctrine. Make things so bad that the Proletariat revolt, bringing about the Revolution. It's a bad idea, no matter how you present it.

259 shoey  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:22:45am

re: #225 Lizard by the Bay

suicide is what we are doing by nominating McBillary, just a little slower,

so which invovles more suffering, a long slow death or a short quick one?

260 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:22:57am

re: #248 Kenneth

Afghan mission to be put to a vote

OTTAWA -- The Harper government will table a motion this week on the recent Manley report on the Afghanistan mission, raising the stakes in an already heated debate over the future of Canada's role in the war.

Debate in Parliament on the motion is expected to begin next week and a vote could come in late March, said Carolyn Stewart Olsen, press secretary to Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

"If we believe our NATO allies will be forthcoming with the assistance we have asked for, the vote will take place in late March," she said.

If Canada pulls out of Afghanistan then I'm returning to the US and I'll never set foot here again.

261 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:23:00am

re: #237 jcm

Listening to Rush,
He's hit two items in a row that were in Spinoff links yesterday....
Coincidence?

No- Rush reads LGF. He's stated it more than a few times.

262 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:23:02am

re: #157 EC Marm

re: #144 rappmandu


McCain and the RNC will not listen to one word you have to say, unless they are seriously afraid that they've got a mutiny on their hands. If you want McCain to move on issues important to you, what incentive does he have if you say that you'll hold your nose and vote for him no matter what come November?

Bears repeating.

bears repeating?
get a repeating rifle:)

263 loppyd  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:23:22am

re: #254 Endangered in MASS

re: #197 Carl in Jerusalem


Let me know. I am leaving for Florida on the 26th.

I see. Remember my advice.

264 Pickle  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:23:54am
I don’t just want to beat John McCain - I want it to be a landslide.

If Obama wins, Dean's wish is granted.

And then maybe the Republicans will realize that out-Democrating the Democrats doesn't work.

265 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:24:01am

This is to be expected in a process where the unaffiliated get to pick the (R) nominee. The Dems got the nominee they wanted. I predict they will beat him soundly.

266 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:24:22am

re: #251 funkyfantom

re: #199 Lizard by the Bay


re: #183 Trekkie

Yeah, so I like Obama, don't kill me. As in that David Lee Roth video from the 80s, he's got Ka-Raz-Muh and I have enjoyed listening to his speeches.

This is who you are.

Obama does have accomplishments. For example, he is an accomplished simpleton who said that our troops in Afghanistan were bombing "innocent villagers". But then he said he wanted to send the same troops to "invade Pakistan", presumably to bomb some "innocent villagers" over there.

So in summary, the guy has accomplished convincing me that he is a superficial dufus whose foreign policy smarts fall far short of the average barstool loudmouth.

There was an interview the other night of Obama supporters all saying how much they liked him, how likable he was, over and over. Then they were asked to name one thing he has accomplished as a senator, and they clammed up and got a deer in the headlight looks. I think one of them stammered that he was likable again.

267 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:24:27am

re: #257 zombie


cynthia mckinnon?
ralph nader?

268 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:24:46am

re: #257 zombie

All the Republicans combined got fewer votes than the write-in joke candidates.

Of course, you live in the moonbat capital of America.

269 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:24:57am

re: #213 buzzsawmonkey

So...McCain is a jackass in elephant's clothing?

McCain is a fighter pilot. As such, he seemingly has no patience for dilly dallying. He (if he's like my dad) finds the world fascinating (a non-racist to the bone), but will see people messing up as having whatever coming to them. He will hold the line. (He probably does not see illegal immigrants as "messing up" considering that he is from a border state, and, while he most likely will go after the drug gangster armies, etc. with more vigor, he probably will want to welcome the hard workers.)

270 chicagodudewhotrades  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:25:00am

way off topic, but breaking and concerning:


I just got a call from my girlfriend in LA. Her office building on Century Blvd a couple blocks away from LAX is getting evacuated because a possible bomb threat. Any LA/ west coast lizards seeing anything about this on local TV?

271 mattm  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:25:12am

re: #264 Pickle

I don’t just want to beat John McCain - I want it to be a landslide.

If Obama wins, Dean's wish is granted.

And then maybe the Republicans will realize that out-Democrating the Democrats doesn't work.

Amazing that they haven't learned that already.

272 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:25:19am

re: #245 buzzsawmonkey

re: #239 Paul Atreides


So...McCain is a jackass in elephant's clothing?

In ANY clothing.

Having said that, of course, I fully intend to vote for McCain if he gets the nomination. Lousy as he may be in any number of areas, he is still nominally better than the alternative.

Plus I look forward to hearing all the heads explode in my neighborhood if anyone bearing a "Republican" designation wins the White House.


With a little luck, McCain chooses someone sane to be VP. Remember, McCain is how old? The VP may become the President then.

273 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:25:31am

re: #262 Eowyn2

re: #157 EC Marm


re: #144 rappmandu


McCain and the RNC will not listen to one word you have to say, unless they are seriously afraid that they've got a mutiny on their hands. If you want McCain to move on issues important to you, what incentive does he have if you say that you'll hold your nose and vote for him no matter what come November?

Bears repeating.

bears repeating?
get a repeating rifle:)


Is that a nice way of saying bear (or beer) farts!?!?!

274 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:25:42am

re: #264 Pickle

I don’t just want to beat John McCain - I want it to be a landslide.

If Obama wins, Dean's wish is granted.

And then maybe the Republicans will realize that out-Democrating the Democrats doesn't work.


you cant out liberal a Democrat. No matter how centrist or liberal a Rep might get (McCain) the dems candidate will take it farther left.

275 Shug  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:26:39am

re: #256 EC Marm

re: #238 TMF


If your going to bash McCain at least have an education of the facts above the DU level

Talking about education, it is "you're" not "your".

Did you know you can't spell dumb without DU ?

276 Lively  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:27:02am

.re: #257 zombie

This is interesting.

If you want to get an idea of the kind of environment I live in.

I was forwarded an email sent to a neighborhood group email list near where I live.

It was made by a poll worker who tallied up ALL the votes at her polling station, for all the parties. It's pretty revealing.

Brace yourself:

Barack Obama 331 votes
Hillary Clinton 80 votes
Bill Richardson 1 vote
Dennis Kucinich 5 votes
John Edwards 2 votes
Micke Huckabee 2 votes
Fred Thompson 1 vote
Ron Paul 2 votes
John McCain 6 votes
Cynthia McKinney 6 votes
Ralph Nader 2 votes
Mitt Romney 0 votes
Rudolph Giuliani 0 votes
other write ins 12 votes

---------------------

All the Republicans combined got fewer votes than the write-in joke candidates.

And the fact that she is emailing it out to strangers says even more.

/hope she's not a doctor, too

277 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:27:12am

re: #259 shoey

suicide is what we are doing by nominating McBillary, just a little slower,

so which invovles more suffering, a long slow death or a short quick one?

Oh goody. Another "Ann Coulter Suicide Voter". If you honestly can see no difference between Commander in Cheif McCain and Commander in Cheif Hussein Obama, then you are far too stupid to vote and probably should stay home on election day.

278 shoey  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:27:16am

re: #258 Iron Fist

the commies included it as doctrine because it works, it's machevillian, it's brutal but it works, and i'm so PO'ed right now that that doesn't bother me, maybe in time i'll cool off, maybe..

279 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:27:30am

re: #272 Honorary Yooper

re: #245 buzzsawmonkey


re: #239 Paul Atreides

So...McCain is a jackass in elephant's clothing?

In ANY clothing.

Having said that, of course, I fully intend to vote for McCain if he gets the nomination. Lousy as he may be in any number of areas, he is still nominally better than the alternative.
Plus I look forward to hearing all the heads explode in my neighborhood if anyone bearing a "Republican" designation wins the White House.

With a little luck, McCain chooses someone sane to be VP. Remember, McCain is how old? The VP may become the President then.


I hope he chooses Thompson, THAT would make my day.

280 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:27:40am

More predictions from me:

Obama's money supply will soon be drying up.

281 Dianna  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:27:53am

re: #229 shoey

I do not think you're right. I heard a lot of that nonsense growing up in southern California, and it hasn't happened. I read material from early in the 20th Century, complaining about whole neighborhoods where the writer didn't hear English, but Italian, or Polish, or Russian or Yiddish or....Projecting the breakdown of American society and the disappearance of English.

Now, as then, there were deep concerns about ghettoization, about assimilation, about a lot of things. We've gotten a bit silly in our policies, and need to get over some of the silliness, but in the end, the choices are not English or Spanish or bilinguality.

It's a common language - English, thank you very much - or mutual incomprehension. That will become clear before very much longer.

282 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:28:04am

re: #260 Pro-Bush Canuck

Ha! ...and if Obama wins the election, where will you go?

283 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:28:25am

re: #279 Former SSG

re: #272 Honorary Yooper


re: #245 buzzsawmonkey

re: #239 Paul Atreides

So...McCain is a jackass in elephant's clothing?

In ANY clothing.

Having said that, of course, I fully intend to vote for McCain if he gets the nomination. Lousy as he may be in any number of areas, he is still nominally better than the alternative.
Plus I look forward to hearing all the heads explode in my neighborhood if anyone bearing a "Republican" designation wins the White House.

With a little luck, McCain chooses someone sane to be VP. Remember, McCain is how old? The VP may become the President then.

I hope he chooses Thompson, THAT would make my day.

Sorry, but with the help Huckabee was in taking votes from Mitt, he's the odds on fav!

284 loppyd  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:28:27am

re: #272 Honorary Yooper

With a little luck, McCain chooses someone sane to be VP. Remember, McCain is how old? The VP may become the President then.

I hope it's not Huckleberry Hound.

285 Lively  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:28:35am

re: #280 Eowyn2

More predictions from me:

Obama's money supply will soon be drying up.

Drudge says Hillary may be already using her own money.

/Obama's got money?

286 MrMom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:28:49am

re: #267 Eowyn2

re: #257 zombie


cynthia mckinnon?
ralph nader?


McKinnon/Nader 08!

287 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:29:08am

re: #280 Eowyn2

More predictions from me:

Obama's money supply will soon be drying up.

There's nothing to suggest that, given that he took in nearly double what Hillary brought in. Hillary is the one who they're saying may be dipping into personal reserves. Maybe that's simply a way to get the wallets to open up for Hillary, or Obama spent more than he could bring in going forward, but I don't see the latter.

288 loppyd  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:29:32am

re: #280 Eowyn2

More predictions from me:

Obama's money supply will soon be drying up.

Obama is raising a lot in the internet.

Rush said he is hearing whispers that the Clintons are tapping into their personal wealth to keep her going.

289 Fritz_Katz  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:29:38am

Just Released:
Agenda for the Democratic National Convention
Aug. 25, 2008; Denver, Colorado


7:00 pm Opening flag burning
7:15 pm Pledge of Allegiance to the U.N. In Spanish
7:20 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
7:25 pm Nonreligious prayer and worship with Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton
7:45 pm Ceremonial tree hugging
7:55 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
8:00 pm How I Invented the Internet - Al Gore
8:15 pm Gay Wedding - Barney Frank presiding
8:35 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
8:40 pm Our Troops are War Criminals - John Kerry
9.00 pm Saddam Memorial Rally - Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon
11.00 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
11:05 pm Collection for the Osama Bin Laden kidney transplant fund - Barbara Streisand
11:15 pm Free the Freedom Fighters from Guantanamo Bay - Sean Penn
11:30 pm Oval Office Affairs - William Jefferson Clinton
11:45 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
11:50 pm How George Bush Brought Down the World Trade Towers - Howard Dean & Rosie O'Donnell
12:15 am 'Truth in Broadcasting Award' - Presented to Dan Rather by Michael Moore
12:25 am Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
12:30 am Satellite address by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
12:45 am Nomination of Hillary Rodham Clinton by Nancy Pelosi
12:50 am Speech and toast by Hugo Chavez to the departure of 'the Great Satan,' George W. Bush
12:50 am Hillary proposes a toast to our 89 million new Democratic Mexican voters
1:00 am Ted Kennedy proposes a toast to the extinction of the Republican party.
1:05 am Coronation of Hillary Rodham Clinton
1:30 am Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
1:35 am Bill Clinton asks Ted to drive Hillary home

290 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:29:57am

Bin Laden son named al-Qaeda heir

Saana, 6 Feb. (AKI) - Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden's youngest son Hamza is being groomed to take over from his father as leader of the terror network, says former Islamist Yemeni militant, Muhammad Sayd.

Sayd told the Arab satellite TV network Al-Arabiya that the 16-year old had been selected for the role.

"Young Hamza bin Laden, son of Osama, has been chosen to lead the al-Qaeda organisation in the future," said Sayd, who has been close to the al-Qaeda leader in the past.

"I have met Hamza several times and the last time was 20 days before the '9/11' attacks. He is a very religious boy, he learnt the Koran by heart at a young age and has been educated in Jihad (Holy War)," Sayd told Al-Arabiya, the Saudi-backed based in the United Arab Emirates.

"When I met him, he already knew who to used light weapons and how to escape from guerrilla attacks," Sayd said, adding that Hamza writes poetry.

Hamza is well placed to take over his father's job in the future, Sayd said.

"He is the only son by Osama' s Saudi wife, and has always had a different education from the other children," he said.

Sayd claimed Hamza is used to a spartan existence and is able to face the difficulties of such living conditions.

"He loved the simple life, unlike his brother Omar, who decided to return to Saudi Arabia [the bin Ladens' homeland] and has now married an Englishwoman," he said.

Gotta love that curriculum: guerrilla tactics & poetry.

291 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:29:59am

re: #279 Former SSG

re: #272 Honorary Yooper


re: #245 buzzsawmonkey

re: #239 Paul Atreides

So...McCain is a jackass in elephant's clothing?

In ANY clothing.

Having said that, of course, I fully intend to vote for McCain if he gets the nomination. Lousy as he may be in any number of areas, he is still nominally better than the alternative.
Plus I look forward to hearing all the heads explode in my neighborhood if anyone bearing a "Republican" designation wins the White House.

With a little luck, McCain chooses someone sane to be VP. Remember, McCain is how old? The VP may become the President then.

I hope he chooses Thompson, THAT would make my day.


IF McCain winds up with the nomination, I expect him to pick a running mate from the NE.

292 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:30:19am

re: #280 Eowyn2

More predictions from me:

Obama's money supply will soon be drying up.

Where do you think all the new Cook County taxes are going?

/

293 shoey  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:30:35am

re: #277 Lizard by the Bay

when did i say that i see McCain the same as Obama? McCain is the same as the Clintons that's why i call him McBillary, Obama is a moonbat.

294 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:31:14am

re: #283 sattv4u2

re: #279 Former SSG


re: #272 Honorary Yooper

re: #245 buzzsawmonkey

re: #239 Paul Atreides

So...McCain is a jackass in elephant's clothing?

In ANY clothing.

Having said that, of course, I fully intend to vote for McCain if he gets the nomination. Lousy as he may be in any number of areas, he is still nominally better than the alternative.
Plus I look forward to hearing all the heads explode in my neighborhood if anyone bearing a "Republican" designation wins the White House.

With a little luck, McCain chooses someone sane to be VP. Remember, McCain is how old? The VP may become the President then.

I hope he chooses Thompson, THAT would make my day.

Sorry, but with the help Huckabee was in taking votes from Mitt, he's the odds on fav!

I know. And that's why Guiliani backed him so fast, I think he wanted it. But if all the Fredheads (like me) get behind McCain, I think it could work.

295 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:32:01am

re: #282 Kenneth

re: #260 Pro-Bush Canuck

Ha! ...and if Obama wins the election, where will you go?

Still the US. I'll end up there anyway.

One of my 30 year-old consultants just moved to Appleton, WI. He is stunned at how much higher the standard of living is there than in Nova Scotia. You have to make $200,000 per year in Canada to have the overall standard of living you get for about $110,000 in the flyover states.

296 TMF  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:32:25am
he now has a staggering amount of lobbyists involved in every aspect of his campaign. In fact, two of the top three sources for John McCain’s campaign cash are D.C. lobbying firms

aHEM Norman Hsu aHEM! Rose law firm aHEM! Chicago slumlord

On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

In what fucking universe?

McCain has said: “I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.”

How many businesses has Shrillery run? Oh yeah- NONE

How many has Hussein Obama? Oh yeah- NONE.

Hillary- 2 term Senator who spent both terms running for President instead of working for the people. Obama- ONE term Senator who spent the entire term campaigning for President.

a President we just can’t trust.

ROFLMAO!

297 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:32:45am

re: #274 Eowyn2

you cant out liberal a Democrat. No matter how centrist or liberal a Rep might get (McCain) the dems candidate will take it farther left.

But this year they've truly taken it as far left as it goes (for Presidential politics, anyway). A Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket is already only one degree different than a Kucinich/McKinney ticket. The current crop makes Walter Mondale look like a lifelong Republican. By contrast McCain's centrism on a few social issues shouldn't even be raising an eyebrow. We're in the fight that determines if our nation survives the next decade intact.

298 loppyd  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:33:04am

re: #291 Eowyn2

re: #279 Former SSG

re: #272 Honorary Yooper


re: #245 buzzsawmonkey


re: #239 Paul Atreides

So...McCain is a jackass in elephant's clothing?


In ANY clothing.


Having said that, of course, I fully intend to vote for McCain if he gets the nomination. Lousy as he may be in any number of areas, he is still nominally better than the alternative.
Plus I look forward to hearing all the heads explode in my neighborhood if anyone bearing a "Republican" designation wins the White House.


With a little luck, McCain chooses someone sane to be VP. Remember, McCain is how old? The VP may become the President then.


I hope he chooses Thompson, THAT would make my day.


IF McCain winds up with the nomination, I expect him to pick a running mate from the NE.

No Republican can win without the south.

299 rappmandu  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:33:54am

McCain's betting the farm on taking the conservative vote for granted and running to the middle to compete for independent votes. I think that's a very unimaginative, predictable ploy that will backfire badly on him and the RNC.

His political self as a compromiser is at odds with his warrior image. If he wants to resolve this conflict, I believe he should run on his I-won't-back-down warrior self. This will appeal to independents who see themselves as not easily led by partisan politics but appreciate McCain's willingness to stand up to his party base.

In short, if he has the will to rise to the enormous challenge of leading this great country at this critical time in history, he needs to go back to that cell in his inner Hanoi Hilton and reconnect with that warrior who knew what it took to earn and maintain the trust and respect of the warrior to his left and to his right.

300 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:34:05am

re: #286 MrMom

re: #267 Eowyn2

re: #257 zombie


cynthia mckinnon?
ralph nader?


McKinnon/Nader 08!

McNads '08!

301 Shug  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:34:15am

re: #290 Kenneth

Gotta love that curriculum: guerrilla tactics & poetry.

There once was a son of Osama
Who was born of a saudi Saudi Mama
He said with delight as he aimed his gun sight
BOOM

a jJDAM ruined his day, and this poem

302 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:34:20am

re: #298 loppyd

re: #291 Eowyn2


re: #279 Former SSG

re: #272 Honorary Yooper

re: #245 buzzsawmonkey

re: #239 Paul Atreides

So...McCain is a jackass in elephant's clothing?

In ANY clothing.

Having said that, of course, I fully intend to vote for McCain if he gets the nomination. Lousy as he may be in any number of areas, he is still nominally better than the alternative.
Plus I look forward to hearing all the heads explode in my neighborhood if anyone bearing a "Republican" designation wins the White House.

With a little luck, McCain chooses someone sane to be VP. Remember, McCain is how old? The VP may become the President then.

I hope he chooses Thompson, THAT would make my day.

IF McCain winds up with the nomination, I expect him to pick a running mate from the NE.

No Republican can win without the south.

And that would mean FRED!

303 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:34:38am

re: #292 Honorary Yooper

re: #280 Eowyn2


More predictions from me:

Obama's money supply will soon be drying up.


Where do you think all the new Cook County taxes are going?

/

the "Richard J Daley" Memorial college fund?

304 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:34:39am

re: #293 shoey

re: #277 Lizard by the Bay

when did i say that i see McCain the same as Obama? McCain is the same as the Clintons that's why i call him McBillary, Obama is a moonbat.

No, you didn't compare McCain to Obama. You did however say you would vote for Obama over McCain.

305 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:35:11am

re: #302 Former SSG

re: #298 loppyd

re: #291 Eowyn2


re: #279 Former SSG


re: #272 Honorary Yooper

re: #245 buzzsawmonkey

re: #239 Paul Atreides

So...McCain is a jackass in elephant's clothing?


In ANY clothing.


Having said that, of course, I fully intend to vote for McCain if he gets the nomination. Lousy as he may be in any number of areas, he is still nominally better than the alternative.
Plus I look forward to hearing all the heads explode in my neighborhood if anyone bearing a "Republican" designation wins the White House.


With a little luck, McCain chooses someone sane to be VP. Remember, McCain is how old? The VP may become the President then.


I hope he chooses Thompson, THAT would make my day.


IF McCain winds up with the nomination, I expect him to pick a running mate from the NE.


No Republican can win without the south.

And that would mean FRED!

Or Haley Barbour

306 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:35:26am

re: #295 Pro-Bush Canuck


oh, but we get "free" medicare... and the CBC... how can you leave our splendid Socialist paradise?

307 MrMom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:35:28am

re: #300 coquimbojoe

re: #286 MrMom


re: #267 Eowyn2

re: #257 zombie


cynthia mckinnon?
ralph nader?


McKinnon/Nader 08!

McNads '08!


HAHAHAHAHA!

308 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:35:46am

re: #306 Kenneth

re: #295 Pro-Bush Canuck


oh, but we get "free" medicare... and the CBC... how can you leave our splendid Socialist paradise?

In an airplane.

309 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:35:58am

re: #295 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #282 Kenneth


re: #260 Pro-Bush Canuck

Ha! ...and if Obama wins the election, where will you go?


Still the US. I'll end up there anyway.

One of my 30 year-old consultants just moved to Appleton, WI. He is stunned at how much higher the standard of living is there than in Nova Scotia. You have to make $200,000 per year in Canada to have the overall standard of living you get for about $110,000 in the flyover states.

flyover is pretty cheap compared to the coasts.

310 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:36:18am

re: #308 Pro-Bush Canuck

LOL!

311 Paul Atreides  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:36:26am
Having said that, of course, I fully intend to vote for McCain if he gets the nomination. Lousy as he may be in any number of areas, he is still nominally better than the alternative.

Plus I look forward to hearing all the heads explode in my neighborhood if anyone bearing a "Republican" designation wins the White House.

I will vote for McCain, if only to cast a vote against Madame Cackletears or Obama.

312 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:36:40am

re: #305 coquimbojoe

Fred has more name recognition. But Barbour is also a good choice, I guess. I don't know much about him.

313 Quintus_Arius  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:36:53am

Dean concedes GOP nod to McCain? I wouldn't do that John. The GOP race is far from settled as is the Donks. Eight months to go...anything can happen.

The conventions could be entertaining.

314 Eowyn2[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:36:59am
315 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:37:01am

re: #269 Sunlight

re: #213 buzzsawmonkey

So...McCain is a jackass in elephant's clothing?

McCain is a fighter pilot. As such, he seemingly has no patience for dilly dallying. He (if he's like my dad) finds the world fascinating (a non-racist to the bone), but will see people messing up as having whatever coming to them. He will hold the line. (He probably does not see illegal immigrants as "messing up" considering that he is from a border state, and, while he most likely will go after the drug gangster armies, etc. with more vigor, he probably will want to welcome the hard workers.)

Also, I'd say anyone who decides not to vote in order to "punish" someone or make some other point would be the jackass, unless you intend to vote for the Dem candidate. The main subject of this blog is defense of the U.S.... and there isn't a problem on that issue with Romney or McCain.

316 funkyfantom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:37:24am

re: #266 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #251 funkyfantom

re: #199 Lizard by the Bay


re: #183 Trekkie


Yeah, so I like Obama, don't kill me. As in that David Lee Roth video from the 80s, he's got Ka-Raz-Muh and I have enjoyed listening to his speeches.


This is who you are.


Obama does have accomplishments. For example, he is an accomplished simpleton who said that our troops in Afghanistan were bombing "innocent villagers". But then he said he wanted to send the same troops to "invade Pakistan", presumably to bomb some "innocent villagers" over there.So in summary, the guy has accomplished convincing me that he is a superficial dufus whose foreign policy smarts fall far short of the average barstool loudmouth.

There was an interview the other night of Obama supporters all saying how much they liked him, how likable he was, over and over. Then they were asked to name one thing he has accomplished as a senator, and they clammed up and got a deer in the headlight looks. I think one of them stammered that he was likable again.

Well, it is a sad but natural fact that simpletons will be naturally attracted to a simpleton like Obama. At least Obama speaks a language they can understand "Change, hope..." 'We have to believe in ourselves, etc.".

And the liberal philosophy is pretty childish, fundamentally, too. The Santa Claus government will just give you everything you need. Just make the devil/bad man/Bush go far away and Santa Obama will give you good stuff.

317 shoey  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:37:35am

re: #304 Lizard by the Bay

hey, if the GOP wants to go left, why not go all the way?

318 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:37:55am

How about Newt for VP? Anyone read his book? If so, should I?

319 jcm  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:38:02am

re: #289 Fritz_Katz

*hick* i Peerpossse a re... rev... revizzzzz.. *hick* a change! Thesh toassstsss ppp oposeth by me! The honnor..*hick* ..ed Senaaaahta form the GrrrrrT sstaat of Maassse mass, *hick* neeeds morre TOASSTS!

320 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:39:08am

re: #319 jcm

re: #289 Fritz_Katz

*hick* i Peerpossse a re... rev... revizzzzz.. *hick* a change! Thesh toassstsss ppp oposeth by me! The honnor..*hick* ..ed Senaaaahta form the GrrrrrT sstaat of Maassse mass, *hick* neeeds morre TOASSTS!

Nice channeling there!

321 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:39:32am

re: #302 Former SSG

Stop dreaming. Fred will be going back to Law and order and movies as soon as this writers strike ends

Washington,,,,,,.,,,,,,,,,,, Hollywood
Politics,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Acting
19 hour work days,,,,,,,,, 3 minute cameos
$ ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,$$$$$$$$$$$$

you make the call !

322 rappmandu  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:40:15am

re: #307 MrMom

McKinnady 08!

323 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:41:20am

Speaking of Obama, look who didn't go out and cast a ballot for her guy.

Obama Girl.

What dedication. And can I get a Heh!

324 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:41:57am

re: #291 Eowyn2

IF McCain winds up with the nomination, I expect him to pick a running mate from the NE.

I'm not so sure.

325 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:42:09am

re: #321 sattv4u2

re: #302 Former SSG

Stop dreaming. Fred will be going back to Law and order and movies as soon as this writers strike ends

Washington,,,,,,.,,,,,,,,,,, Hollywood
Politics,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Acti ng
19 hour work days,,,,,,,,, 3 minute cameos
$ ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,$$$$ $$$$$$$$

you make the call !

Except he really seems to be a throwback to the 200 year-old every gentleman should do his part sort of politics...

326 AuldTrafford  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:42:31am

re: #277 Lizard by the Bay

re: #259 shoey


suicide is what we are doing by nominating McBillary, just a little slower,

so which invovles more suffering, a long slow death or a short quick one?


Oh goody. Another "Ann Coulter Suicide Voter". If you honestly can see no difference between Commander in Cheif McCain and Commander in Cheif Hussein Obama, then you are far too stupid to vote and probably should stay home on election day.

Wow! Well, I'm considering myself for membership in this group; will have to search e-Bay for my Stupid Hat.

Have a nice day.

327 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:42:46am

what does everyone think of the following third party dream teams

"Republocrats"

Duncan Hunter/Zell Miller
Duncan Hunter/Joe Lieberman
Joe Leiberman/Tom Tancredo

Please feel free to add to this list

328 itellu3times  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:43:04am

re: #97 spidly

re: #93 itellu3times

Oldest political trick in the world, jerk your opponent around, don't actually address the issues, heaven forefend.
effective with someone who doesn't have a core set of values

I'd say it's more than that, even with core values you have to fend off the accusation, but you do it with a laugh, or an argument, or a counter, or all of the above. McCain is (just) smart enough, a good enough politician, to respond, but either by capitulation or by insult, it seems.

329 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:43:06am

re: #313 Quintus_Arius

Dean concedes GOP nod to McCain? I wouldn't do that John. The GOP race is far from settled as is the Donks. Eight months to go...anything can happen.

The conventions could be entertaining.

Actually, not anything can happen at this point. For example, there just aren't enough delegates out there for either Huckabee or Romney to clinch the nomination at this point. It's a mathematical impossibility. The best they can do is force McCain to accept a plurality going into the convention, but they can't get out of each other's way to do it effectively, and they're basically handing over the delegates in winner-take-all states to McCain.

So, just to recap:
Someone besides McCain clinching the nomination: impossible.
A brokered convention: Slim possibility

Still, even when you get to the convention, one of them must drop out and give his delegates to the other to offer any reasonable challenge to McCain. Huckabee won't do it since he will probably finish well ahead of Romney in delegate count. So Romney must drop out, but will his ego allow it? And if he did... Mike Huckabee? Dean will get his landslide.

330 Dianna  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:43:18am

re: #321 sattv4u2

Are you channeling the tfk of a couple years ago?

331 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:43:42am

If we're talking VP choices, Fred is in the mix - and I can see him putting country ahead of the money. Heck, GWB did - he was doing quite well in the oil and baseball biz. So was Rummy. Some guys and gals will put country ahead of the money.

Haley Barbour is an interesting choice, but he's got some negatives - too chummy with GWB for McCain's tastes.

Zell Miller has no chance of a nomination, and wouldn't sit well with conservatives at all. He's still seen as a D, and would only convince the right that McCain is a D in R clothes.

332 ergo sum  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:43:52am

re: #40 loppyd

The Dean Scream

Check out the Outkast remix on this site! It rocks!

[Link: politicalhumor.about.com...]

333 funkyfantom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:44:02am

re: #296 TMF

How many businesses has Shrillery run? Oh yeah- NONE
Hillary- 2 term Senator who spent both terms running for President instead of working for the people. Obama- ONE term Senator who spent the entire term campaigning for President.

I happen to be a NY resident. I have been writing letters to politicians my whole life.

I have written several letters to Sen. Clinton, all very polite.

She ALONE amongst all the other politicians over several decades of letter writing has failed to reply to ANY of my letters.
I have gotten responses from Sen. Al D'Amato for example. Mayor John Lindsay, an ultra-liberal, answered my letters as a small child.
(yes, I understand these are usually form letters prepared by staff members).

My father has reported the exact same experience.

334 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:44:05am

re: #327 Eowyn2

what does everyone think of the following third party dream teams

"Republocrats"

Duncan Hunter/Zell Miller
Duncan Hunter/Joe Lieberman
Joe Leiberman/Tom Tancredo

Please feel free to add to this list

I prefer Deadocans:

Reagan/ Goldwater

335 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:44:23am

re: #330 Dianna

Where is TFK? Did the McBain victory make his head explode.

336 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:45:17am

re: #325 Former SSG

re: #321 sattv4u2


re: #302 Former SSG

Stop dreaming. Fred will be going back to Law and order and movies as soon as this writers strike ends

Washington,,,,,,.,,,,,,,,,,, Hollywood
Politics,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Acti ng
19 hour work days,,,,,,,,, 3 minute cameos
$ ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,$$$$ $$$$$$$$

you make the call !


Except he really seems to be a throwback to the 200 year-old every gentleman should do his part sort of politics...

Sorry, but I watched every debate. Except for a flash or two ("I'm not playing hand games" was the best) he didn;t show the WANT TOO,,,, nor the NEED TOO thats necessary. Don't get me wrong. When he 1st announced I was excited. I knew his views and figured he would be the real right deal (unlike Duncan, who has the resume but not the name recognition)

337 vxbush  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:45:17am

Just to throw this in:

We were talking here in the office yesterday about the election, and one of the people--with a Ph.D., mind you--was all upset that he couldn't vote for Kucinich because he had dropped out.

Nearly took my breath away.

338 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:45:17am

re: #324 Sharmuta

re: #291 Eowyn2

IF McCain winds up with the nomination, I expect him to pick a running mate from the NE.

I'm not so sure.

And if mccain does go with pawlenty- we could be really screwed.

339 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:45:50am

re: #327 Eowyn2

what does everyone think of the following third party dream teams

"Republocrats"

Duncan Hunter/Zell Miller
Duncan Hunter/Joe Lieberman
Joe Leiberman/Tom Tancredo

Please feel free to add to this list

How about a conservative ticket, whatever the GOP primaries decide, with McCain and Huckster playing their little games?

Romney/Thompson

340 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:46:03am

That Ming is a psycho.

Just fill in the name.

The same points would've gone out about any GOP candidate.

341 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:46:15am

re: #330 Dianna

re: #321 sattv4u2

Are you channeling the tfk of a couple years ago?

I dunnno ,,, I have Direct TV , what "channel" was it on !?!?!?!?!

342 alegrias  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:46:23am

I am not understanding nor feeling too kindly towards Southerners falling for Huckabee right now--the preacherman who reminds me of a less slick John Edwards talkin' 'bout two Americas, abolishing the IRS, and allowing open borders, etc., while using another American's religion as bait.

Despicable & lower than a snake's belly, to bring down Romney for McCain's benefit.

343 Dianna  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:46:37am

re: #335 Endangered in MASS

I haven't seen him today. He seemed rather down last night; he asserted that he wouldn't vote for McCain with a gun to his head.

He may simply be busy.

344 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:46:45am

re: #324 Sharmuta

re: #291 Eowyn2


IF McCain winds up with the nomination, I expect him to pick a running mate from the NE.

I'm not so sure.


anything west of the rockies and north of the mason dixon is the NE for me.

I'm thinking OH. do we have any good strong conservatives in OH. It is most likely that McCain will win. He may even go with Micheal Steele depending on WHO winds up the dem cnadidate.

345 maddogg  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:46:47am

I'll (as his mama suggests) hold my nose and vote for McCain, If it will cause Howlin' Howie to vapor lock on election day, cause a McCain victory will spell the end of his (Howie's) career in politics, and maybe the sob will shut up and go away.

346 Shug  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:46:53am

re: #337 vxbush

Just to throw this in:

We were talking here in the office yesterday about the election, and one of the people--with a Ph.D., mind you--was all upset that he couldn't vote for Kucinich because he had dropped out.

Nearly took my breath away.


Ph.D stands for Pile it Higher and Deeper.

An MD friend who works in the ICU tells me that usually, the MD PhD is the worst clinician on the team.

Brilliant yes, but when it counts, worthless

347 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:47:10am
348 funkyfantom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:47:34am

re: #337 vxbush

Just to throw this in:

We were talking here in the office yesterday about the election, and one of the people--with a Ph.D., mind you--was all upset that he couldn't vote for Kucinich because he had dropped out.

Nearly took my breath away.

I think I know this guy. Do you work in a hedge fund?

349 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:47:43am

re: #317 shoey

re: #304 Lizard by the Bay

hey, if the GOP wants to go left, why not go all the way?

So because McCain doesn't treat every line of the party platform like a religious conviction he is unfit for office? You're the reason George Washington didn't want America to have political parties.

350 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:47:52am

re: #343 Dianna

tfk posted on this very thread.

351 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:48:07am

re: #336 sattv4u2

The want to/need to thing is what I mean - it was his duty to the nation. And for VP, why would he need such a great desire anyway, if he was just going to do the best job possible, assist/advise the president. The Vp slot isn't always, and doesn't have to be, a stepping stone.

352 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:48:13am

re: #234 Sunlight

re: #140 Carl in Jerusalem

It wasn't State that was upset that Israel didn't cream Hezbullah; it was the neocons over at Defense. In fact, they managed to get W to approve Israel going after Syria as well, but Olmert was afraid to do it.

State not only wasn't upset, to the contrary, they were seemingly the cause of Olmert's hesitations. So really the "neocons over at Defense" need to char the State Dept interference, not the Israeli military (or civilian govt). Everyone (or so I imagined) thought that when Israel got out of Lebanon in 2000 that they would have the right to defend themselves on that border. The story was that Ms. Rice called repeatedly with "don't you believe in diplomacy anymore" messages and Olmert waited. Then the State Dept. did not come through with anything that stopped the rockets and left Israel in the lurch with the Hezbollah infrastructure that the jets couldn't demolish in place. Thank goodness they (you) did go in at the end to push back from the border. I actually think your govt walked a very fine line quite well. (Also there was the sense of hunkering down and holding in place so that the conflict disrupted but didn't destroy your lovely country and the unbelievable development you've done.) But it enrages me when our US govt wants Israelis to sit still under rockets and absorb the casualties.

I'll guarantee you Olmert didn't hesitate because of Rice. Olmert hesitated because he's Olmert and has no clue what he was doing.

353 itellu3times  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:48:14am

re: #327 Eowyn2

what does everyone think of the following third party dream teams

"Republocrats"

Duncan Hunter/Zell Miller
Duncan Hunter/Joe Lieberman
Joe Leiberman/Tom Tancredo

Please feel free to add to this list

That's the problem, it's hard to find better candidates than the ones we have.

This or that billionaire, this or that entertainment personality, ... get real. Sigh.

Would I even put Rudy, who I thought I liked, on a dream team now? Dunno.

354 spidly  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:48:17am

re: #327 Eowyn2

what does everyone think of the following third party dream teams

"Republocrats"

Duncan Hunter/Zell Miller
Duncan Hunter/Joe Lieberman
Joe Leiberman/Tom Tancredo

Please feel free to add to this list

think we decided on Paul/Kucinich last month

355 Yank in the EU  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:48:19am

Seems to be an element of admiration for McCain in these talking points, as well as an acknowledgment that on ideology that he (Dean) and McCain aren't that far apart.

356 Paul Atreides  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:48:29am
How many businesses has Shrillery run?

How many businesses will Shrillery ruin..........if elected President?

357 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:48:30am

re: #344 Eowyn2

re: #324 Sharmuta

re: #291 Eowyn2


IF McCain winds up with the nomination, I expect him to pick a running mate from the NE.


I'm not so sure.


anything west of the rockies and north of the mason dixon is the NE for me.

I'm thinking OH. do we have any good strong conservatives in OH. It is most likely that McCain will win. He may even go with Micheal Steele depending on WHO winds up the dem cnadidate.

He's going to have to pick Huckabee, considering the fact that Huck is living up his butt right now.

358 Shug  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:48:35am

Just for thought.

I wonder how the Goracle would have done if he'd hit the treadmill, lost a few lb's and decided to run this time ?

359 vxbush  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:48:36am

re: #342 alegrias

I am not understanding nor feeling too kindly towards Southerners falling for Huckabee right now--the preacherman who reminds me of a less slick John Edwards talkin' 'bout two Americas, abolishing the IRS, and allowing open borders, etc., while using another American's religion as bait.

Despicable & lower than a snake's belly, to bring down Romney for McCain's benefit.

My husband had the following take: it was bad enough that in West Virginia McCain's folks told the people voting for McCain in the caucuses to switch their votes to Huckabee. What was more sickening to him was that Huckabee accepted those votes. If Huckabee had gotten wind of it and really been the upstanding Christian man he is supposed to be, he should have denounced it as bad politics. Instead, he just quietly accepted it.

360 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:48:51am

re: #349 Lizard by the Bay

re: #317 shoey

re: #304 Lizard by the Bay

hey, if the GOP wants to go left, why not go all the way?

So because McCain doesn't treat every line of the party platform like a religious conviction he is unfit for office? You're the reason George Washington didn't want America to have political parties.

OH! So mccain doesn't have to walk in lock step with the party, but I'm supposed to?!

361 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:49:15am

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey


Fuck that. I want to be a suicide voter.

Although a vote for McBain seems to fit that bill

362 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:49:23am

Can we talk about how the Dem race is being drawn along racial lines yet?

363 gymnast  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:49:29am

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey

As old as he is looking lately, he might be a half a term president. Who he picks as his running mate is of critical importance.

364 spidly  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:50:02am

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey

2) A one-term McCain presidency will not do as much damage as a two-term Democrat presidency, no matter what he does.

the truth of this is borne out by the Carter example

/sarcasm

365 Dianna  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:50:03am

re: #350 Sharmuta

Really? Good!

I didn't get on until this thread was well past 120 comments, so I missed him.

366 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:50:20am

re: #356 Paul Atreides

How many businesses has Shrillery run?

How many businesses will Shrillery ruin..........if elected President?

I wouldn't be so concerned about a democrat if I thought that after they were done the damage could be fixed. How would we go back to private payor healthcare after it has been socialized?

367 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:50:22am

re: #360 Sharmuta


OH! So mccain doesn't have to walk in lock step with the party, but I'm supposed to?!

Thats what I'm saying too.

368 vxbush  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:50:27am

re: #348 funkyfantom

re: #337 vxbush

Just to throw this in:

We were talking here in the office yesterday about the election, and one of the people--with a Ph.D., mind you--was all upset that he couldn't vote for Kucinich because he had dropped out.

Nearly took my breath away.

I think I know this guy. Do you work in a hedge fund?

Heh. No.

369 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:50:32am

re: #243 Dianna

re: #203 Carl in Jerusalem

Much better, thank you! I had a fever; some sort of 24-hour flu. I went to bed, woke up about three drenched in sweat, and felt much better. Went back to sleep again until about six, got up, checked in on primary results (gloom and doom) went back to bed after House.

I'm at work, a little shaky, but here. No headache, stomach back to normal.

There's a pool among my friends as to whether I make it through hapkido practice tonight without collapsing, though.

Be real careful about unexplained headaches with nausea that won't go away. They can be a sign of meningitis or worse, God forbid. Go to a doctor if that happens.

Glad you're okay.

370 yochanan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:50:38am

only a fool thinks that mccain who supports the war is the same as the defeatist donks i am at wits end STOP DRINKING THE KOOLAID.

ESP WHEN MITT CHANGED HIS LIBERAL POSTISION JUST TO RUN FOR POTUS.

THOMPSON was at least cons

371 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:50:40am

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey

I like the way you think. Sensible.

372 rwmofo  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:50:59am

I didn't check to see if anyone else caught this, but Dean missed a couple things. Don't Republicans also starve children and spy on "Americans?"

The "starving children" narrative would have worked if he'd tacked it on to "...gives tax cuts to companies (causing children to starve) who ship jobs overseas."

We hate puppies too, right?

373 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:51:00am

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey

5) McCain may be less skittish than the Bush Administration about Israel defending its civilians. (I need to research his past statements about this.)

6) McCain may have the cajones to face down the shadow govt at State, CIA, etc.

374 Steffan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:51:03am

re: #37 Defector01

McCain allies himself with the farthest right elements of his party on immigration reform?

where the hell is Dean getting his information?

I think as soon as McCain wins the nomination he's going to realize that to the media he's just another republican who needs to lose to the democrat. He'll all of a sudden watch his maverick status and media love turn into the same as Dubya got from the media.

I've been wondering what ol' Howie smokes and where he gets it since he got trounced by J F'n K in 2004.

Of course, he is an MD, so he might get it legitimately.....

375 spidly  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:51:50am

re: #366 coquimbojoe

re: #356 Paul Atreides

How many businesses has Shrillery run?

How many businesses will Shrillery ruin..........if elected President?

I wouldn't be so concerned about a democrat if I thought that after they were done the damage could be fixed. How would we go back to private payor healthcare after it has been socialized?

through 40 years of misery like in Europe and Canada now

376 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:51:55am

re: #360 Sharmuta

OH! So mccain doesn't have to walk in lock step with the party, but I'm supposed to?!

Who told you that you were supposed to?

377 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:51:58am

re: #369 Carl in Jerusalem


Be real careful about unexplained headaches with nausea that won't go away. They can be a sign of meningitis or worse, God forbid. Go to a doctor if that happens.

You, sir, are a ray of sunshine!

;)

378 Shug  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:52:07am

re: #362 Ben Hur

Can we talk about how the Dem race is being drawn along racial lines yet?


OK

The Democratic fight between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton seems certain to continue, and it is showing a clear divide between whites and blacks, between Hispanics and non-Hispanics, between women and men, and between older and younger voters.

379 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:52:17am

re: #363 gymnast

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey

As old as he is looking lately, he might be a half a term president. Who he picks as his running mate is of critical importance.

Exactly as I mentioned earlier. He could wind up like Zachary Taylor or William Henry Harrison.

380 vxbush  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:52:29am

re: #243 Dianna

Heh. Loved House last night. Loved it.

381 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:52:31am

re: #360 Sharmuta

So because McCain doesn't treat every line of the party platform like a religious conviction he is unfit for office? You're the reason George Washington didn't want America to have political parties.

OH! So mccain doesn't have to walk in lock step with the party, but I'm supposed to?!

That's good! Can I borrow it?

382 badsysop  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:52:50am

Coward Dean is a worthless piece of crap of a human being.

"We can't afford another 4 years of a president that will drive the economy into the ground"?

I wonder what the triple whammy of a ridiculous national health care plan, overbearing "green" legislation, and high taxes will do to the economy.

And I see Coward's Bush Derangement syndrome pops in again. No surprise here.

383 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:52:57am

re: #372 rwmofo

I LOVE your avatar.

384 itellu3times  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:52:58am

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey

Something else for people to consider:

1) McCain is old. If he makes it in, he may well be a one-term President. That one term may provide sufficient breathing room for the more conservative elements of the GOP to get their house in order.

Not even one, I think, therefore his veep is going to be important.

2) A one-term McCain presidency will not do as much damage as a two-term Democrat presidency, no matter what he does.

Heh.

3) If Hillary Clinton does not get the Presidency this time around, she is probably finished. She will have a loss against her, and by the time the next election comes around she will be four more years removed from the old Clinton Presidency power base. And she will have spent her chits this time around. In other words, if McCain--or whoever--beats her, she's done.

Probably. She'll also be that much older. And may find something else to do with her time.

4) That leaves the probability of an Obama run the next time around. But Obama Fever will have dissipated after 4 years, and Obama will have four more years of mileage/record to deal with if he runs.

And we will have four more years of the WOT behind us, one way or the other, which may make him more, or less, relevant.

Thus, while a McCain presidency is by no means something to rejoice over, it can serve to dissipate the "Change!" momentum of both Hillary and Obama, removing Hillary forever as a strong presidential contender and diminishing the luster of subsequent Obama candidacies, while buying time to rebuild a conservative base.

Excellent, can you condense this all down to a bumper sticker!?

385 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:53:25am

re: #381 Spenser (with an S)

Yes- please feel free.

386 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:53:27am

re: #373 Sunlight

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey

5) McCain may be less skittish than the Bush Administration about Israel defending its civilians. (I need to research his past statements about this.)

6) McCain may have the cajones to face down the shadow govt at State, CIA, etc.

On number 6, if Repubs are in another 8 years, we may see some of that from attrition...

387 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:54:22am
388 vxbush  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:54:34am

re: #384 itellu3times

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey

Thus, while a McCain presidency is by no means something to rejoice over, it can serve to dissipate the "Change!" momentum of both Hillary and Obama, removing Hillary forever as a strong presidential contender and diminishing the luster of subsequent Obama candidacies, while buying time to rebuild a conservative base.


Excellent, can you condense this all down to a bumper sticker!?

Sure.

"Let Hillary age gracefully. Don't elect her President."

389 maddogg  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:54:51am

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey


1) McCain is old. If he makes it in, he may well be a one-term President. That one term may provide sufficient breathing room for the more conservative elements of the GOP to get their house in order.


I don't see that the GOP getting it's house in order is a matter of time, They have had 8 years and they managed to shit can all they had in the house and senate. We need a leader to step forward. We have lots of politicians, but damn few of them have the stones to take the wheel and steer, at least in a conservative direction. Maybe things need to get worse before that leader will emerge, after all, it took Jimmah Carter to bring Reagan to prominence.

390 musicman  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:55:00am

Who is this man he is talking about?

391 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:55:11am

re: #376 Lizard by the Bay

re: #360 Sharmuta

OH! So mccain doesn't have to walk in lock step with the party, but I'm supposed to?!

Who told you that you were supposed to?

There will be no lock stepping, goose stepping, or toe stepping here please. Two stepping and hail tailing are OK though.

392 rwmofo  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:55:11am

re: #337 vxbush

Just to throw this in:

We were talking here in the office yesterday about the election, and one of the people--with a Ph.D., mind you--was all upset that he couldn't vote for Kucinich because he had dropped out.

Nearly took my breath away.

You could conceivably find the worst doctor in your town, worst doctor in your state,........there's the worst doctor in the world somewhere. All these contests are initially won at the local level.

393 ergo sum  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:55:21am

re: #360 Sharmuta


OH! So mccain doesn't have to walk in lock step with the party, but I'm supposed to?!

No one can argue with that logic. You are not alone in this very thinking!

394 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:55:59am

re: #384 itellu3times

Excellent, can you condense this all down to a bumper sticker!?

McCain '08 - Might not make it to '12?

395 Dianna  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:56:19am

re: #380 vxbush

So did I - if only for the joys of watching Wilson and Amber make House lose his mind.

396 alegrias  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:56:24am

re: #359 vxbush

re: #342 alegrias


I am not understanding nor feeling too kindly towards Southerners falling for Huckabee right now--the preacherman who reminds me of a less slick John Edwards talkin' 'bout two Americas, abolishing the IRS, and allowing open borders, etc., while using another American's religion as bait.

Despicable & lower than a snake's belly, to bring down Romney for McCain's benefit.


My husband had the following take: it was bad enough that in West Virginia McCain's folks told the people voting for McCain in the caucuses to switch their votes to Huckabee. What was more sickening to him was that Huckabee accepted those votes. If Huckabee had gotten wind of it and really been the upstanding Christian man he is supposed to be, he should have denounced it as bad politics. Instead, he just quietly accepted it.

* * *
Huckabee and McCain both treat Romney as an Infidel out of jealousy and religious intolerance.

That is so unAmerican, considering what a great American Romney and his backers are. You have to be some sort of freakish pastor or 'maverick' geezer to win in the South...

397 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:57:02am

re: #391 coquimbojoe

re: #376 Lizard by the Bay

re: #360 Sharmuta

OH! So mccain doesn't have to walk in lock step with the party, but I'm supposed to?!

Who told you that you were supposed to?

There will be no lock stepping, goose stepping, or toe stepping here please. Two stepping and hail tailing are OK though.

How about High Steppin' or just plain Steppin' Out?

398 Yank in the EU  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:57:10am

(1) the Dems certainly appreciate McCain's Marxist rhetoric on the economy (cf. John McCain's Top 10 Class-Warfare Arguments Against Tax Cuts)

(2) McCain is with the left on open borders and amnesty for illegal immigrants.

(3) McCain said his number one choice to represent the US in the Middle East is James Baker, who will surely advocate putting the screws on to please Arab nations.

399 redstateredneck  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:57:27am

re: #388 vxbush

"Let Hillary age gracefully. Don't elect her President."


I'd like to order mine now.
;-)

400 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:57:29am
401 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:57:45am

re: #387 buzzsawmonkey

I know. I was just being a smart ass. Being a suicide voter sounds really cool too.

I'll be holding my nose on election day.

402 right_wing2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:58:06am

Historically, McCain's not as bad as he's become over the last few election cycles. Today, I don't know if I'd rather hold my nose & vote for him, hoping that in 2012 he won't run due to age issues, or sit back and watch the America I know & love turned into Canada South (or Western France) under the Hildabeast or Obama, hoping that the country can actually survive 4 years of either one of them, and then work towards a true conservative next time around.

McCain would, at least, not surrender to the terrorists, unlike the Dems. Other than that, he's not much...

403 vxbush  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:58:07am

re: #395 Dianna

re: #380 vxbush

So did I - if only for the joys of watching Wilson and Amber make House lose his mind.

Eggzactly. Seeing him twist in the wind was such fun. (insert evil maniacal laugh here)

404 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:58:11am

re: #376 Lizard by the Bay

re: #360 Sharmuta

OH! So mccain doesn't have to walk in lock step with the party, but I'm supposed to?!

Who told you that you were supposed to?

Sorry- maybe you missed some of the threads from last night.

405 shoey  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:58:57am

re: #360 Sharmuta

re: #349 Lizard by the Bay


re: #317 shoey

re: #304 Lizard by the Bay

hey, if the GOP wants to go left, why not go all the way?


So because McCain doesn't treat every line of the party platform like a religious conviction he is unfit for office? You're the reason George Washington didn't want America to have political parties.

OH! So mccain doesn't have to walk in lock step with the party, but I'm supposed to?!

ditto

406 spidly  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:59:13am

I have a funny feeling there's something with the strategy:

reward apostates with leadership so we can rebuild the foundation of the party


something.....not.....quite.......right.....

407 vxbush  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:59:28am

Gotta get some work done. Darn.

408 musicman  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:00:02pm

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey

Something else for people to consider:

1) McCain is old. If he makes it in, he may well be a one-term President. That one term may provide sufficient breathing room for the more conservative elements of the GOP to get their house in order.

2) A one-term McCain presidency will not do as much damage as a two-term Democrat presidency, no matter what he does.

3) If Hillary Clinton does not get the Presidency this time around, she is probably finished. She will have a loss against her, and by the time the next election comes around she will be four more years removed from the old Clinton Presidency power base. And she will have spent her chits this time around. In other words, if McCain--or whoever--beats her, she's done.

4) That leaves the probability of an Obama run the next time around. But Obama Fever will have dissipated after 4 years, and Obama will have four more years of mileage/record to deal with if he runs.

Thus, while a McCain presidency is by no means something to rejoice over, it can serve to dissipate the "Change!" momentum of both Hillary and Obama, removing Hillary forever as a strong presidential contender and diminishing the luster of subsequent Obama candidacies, while buying time to rebuild a conservative base.

Did you ever think that the most important thing in November will be who you want for VICE PRESIDENT?

409 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:00:06pm
410 alegrias  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:00:12pm

re: #373 Sunlight

re: #347 buzzsawmonkey

5) McCain may be less skittish than the Bush Administration about Israel defending its civilians. (I need to research his past statements about this.)

6) McCain may have the cajones to face down the shadow govt at State, CIA, etc.

* * *
While Mac pretended to be mad at the State Dept. employees who didn't want to serve their country as they swore to, in Iraq--

It was McCain campaign advisor Richard Armitage at State Department who leaked Valery Plame's name but was too cowardly to admit it, thereby causing our country three years of Pflame blame game and horrible injury.

411 Dianna  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:00:44pm

re: #389 maddogg

I keep reading people typing that, and I keep thinking that I have never thought that whacking my hand with a hammer so that I could get a doctor to look at it was a particularly effective strategy.

I don't think making things worse, or letting them get worse, is a good idea. We're already on the knife's edge, I fear.

412 Ben Hur  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:00:48pm
413 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:01:00pm

Oh, the delicious irony abounds. NM remains undecided so far as they're dipping into the provisional and absentee ballots. Obama and Clinton are separated by 117 votes (Hillary in the lead). It's a proportional representation state, so the 26 votes up for grabs will be split. Still, there is the matter of bragging rights.

414 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:01:07pm

re: #377 coquimbojoe

re: #369 Carl in Jerusalem


Be real careful about unexplained headaches with nausea that won't go away. They can be a sign of meningitis or worse, God forbid. Go to a doctor if that happens.

You, sir, are a ray of sunshine!

;)

Thanks.

Unfortunately, that's from experience. One of my kids had a brain tumor eleven and a half years ago. That's how he 'presented.' (Thank God he's much better today).

415 opnion  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:01:37pm

The Dems in my opinion want to run against McCain. That is why they keep saying that they fear and respect him.
He would be much easier to beat than Romney.

416 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:01:38pm

re: #398 Yank in the EU


(3) McCain said his number one choice to represent the US in the Middle East is James Baker, who will surely advocate putting the screws on to please Arab nations.

Yikes. Baker. That's not good. We need an petition or local input on this issue. Isn't he near retirement age? (Pleeeeease!) You realize lots of these "Arabists" see Israel as flat out competition in many fields. They'll use the arab govts as cover to put the screws on in order to block Israeli competition. But it doesn't work. :-)

417 badsysop  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:01:51pm

re: #394 Honorary Yooper

re: #384 itellu3times


Excellent, can you condense this all down to a bumper sticker!?

McCain '08 - Might not make it to '12?


I think we had this discussion before where the only 2 senators elected to president made it to the 3rd year of their first term.

Personally, I think some backroom shady deal was made with Huckabee to maybe be the VP. If this is the case, the only way I'll vote for McCain is if Obama wins. I know a lot of people here hate shrillery, but I dislike Obama much worse.

And I'm with Rush Limbaugh on the fact that if you're going to elect McCain, you are almost electing Hillary anyway so might as well let the democrats take the fall for the positions they stand on rather than a republican that is hardly conservative.

Best case scenario is a decent VP pick and a horse and carriage ride and a 21 gun salute for McCain a year in. I doubt that will happen.

418 loppyd  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:02:48pm

re: #412 Ben Hur

Strahan Stomps Dean

He and Mike Tyson were separated at birth.

419 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:03:07pm

re: #342 alegrias

I am not understanding nor feeling too kindly towards Southerners falling for Huckabee right now--the preacherman who reminds me of a less slick John Edwards talkin' 'bout two Americas, abolishing the IRS, and allowing open borders, etc., while using another American's religion as bait.

Yeah. Watching that show just creeped me out. Huckabee's record is almost as liberal as McCain's (more in some departments), yet he puts on his minister's hat and starts preaching instead of campaigning, and conservative Southerners eat his shit up like it was soft-serve ice cream.

420 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:03:07pm

re: #402 right_wing2

McCain would, at least, not surrender to the terrorists, unlike the Dems. Other than that, he's not much...

That's the hugest.

421 looking closely  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:03:14pm

Dean really isn't qualified to give advice on how to get elected as a Democrat.

Though thats really not the point here; its to raise cash.

422 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:04:13pm

re: #404 Sharmuta

re: #376 Lizard by the Bay

re: #360 Sharmuta

OH! So mccain doesn't have to walk in lock step with the party, but I'm supposed to?!

Who told you that you were supposed to?

Sorry- maybe you missed some of the threads from last night.

No problem. I probably miss lots since I'm not much of a nights or weekends lizard.

423 Dianna  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:04:25pm

re: #403 vxbush

I didn't have the energy for maniacal cackling, but I did grin a lot.

424 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:05:12pm

Next Dean the Scream will endorse

JezeBill and BeelzeBubba,

But I say No Third Term.

425 funkyfantom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:05:14pm

re: #368 vxbush

re: #348 funkyfantom

re: #337 vxbush

Just to throw this in:

We were talking here in the office yesterday about the election, and one of the people--with a Ph.D., mind you--was all upset that he couldn't vote for Kucinich because he had dropped out.

Nearly took my breath away.

I think I know this guy. Do you work in a hedge fund?

Heh. No.

I don't work for a hedge fund, but there is an ex-coworker who now does. Has a PHD in Math, total moonbat- very into Chomsky, voted for Kucinich.

Strange how one can be a socialist, yet devote one's life to making the ultra-wealthy even wealthier ( working for a hedge fund, of course).

426 looking closely  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:05:23pm

re: #417 badsysop

If Rush actually said that McCain and Hilary are synonymous than he is as disingenuous as people say.

Hilary is running on a platform saying explicitly she will raise taxes, McCain is saying the opposite.

All other considerations aside, that's a pretty wide gap right there.

427 right_wing2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:06:34pm

re: #420 Sunlight

True. But his amnesty position almost makes things a wash...

428 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:07:12pm
If Rush actually said that McCain and Hilary are synonymous than he is as disingenuous as people say.

The Rush-Coulter alliance might as well start donating and stumping for Hillary right now.

429 MrMom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:07:26pm

re: #374 Steffan

I've been wondering what ol' Howie smokes and where he gets it since he got trounced by J F'n K in 2004.


A vending machine in CA?

430 Yank in the EU  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:08:35pm

re: #416 Sunlight

Baker, famous for saying "F**k the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway", is the paleocon menace who never seems to disappear from the Beltway. It is alarming that McCain said he will put him in the driver's seat. But yes, in the very least McCain is better than H/O on the war.

431 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:08:50pm

re: #428 Lizard by the Bay

If Rush actually said that McCain and Hilary are synonymous than he is as disingenuous as people say.

The Rush-Coulter alliance might as well start donating and stumping for Hillary right now.

Why? Because they should tow the party line? Why? mccain doesn't.

432 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:08:56pm

re: #428 Lizard by the Bay

Hillary is a woman so she's gotta be better.

/non thinking person off

433 tfc3rid  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:09:39pm

Won't it be funny if McCain is actually hurt by McCain-Feingold now?

434 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:09:45pm

re: #432 Ojoe

re: #428 Lizard by the Bay

Hillary is a woman so she's gotta be better.

/non thinking person off

Do have documentation for that?

435 badsysop  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:09:53pm

re: #426 looking closely

re: #417 badsysop

If Rush actually said that McCain and Hilary are synonymous than he is as disingenuous as people say.

Hilary is running on a platform saying explicitly she will raise taxes, McCain is saying the opposite.

All other considerations aside, that's a pretty wide gap right there.

With democrats in control of congress, would that even matter? They see eye to eye on most things. Either way, expect amnesty for all illegals, McCain/Kennedy type legislation passed, etc.

McCain has cozied up to Feingold and Kennedy. That guy is a worthless Republican no matter how you paint him on taxes.

I'd rather take Ron Paul over McCain because at least Ron Paul couldn't get his wacky ideas past congress.

436 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:10:07pm

re: #90 jcm

re: #75 Dar ul Harb

re: #52 rappmandu

Is the POTUS supposed to lead the U.S. economy?


Have you not seen Ms. Clinton's latest 4 Year Plan, comrade?

Comrade I detect sarcasm in you tone of voice, I suggest you correct you attitude or I shall be forced to denounce you at the next party meeting.
/

Too late......

~ENT

437 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:10:50pm
438 looking closely  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:10:55pm

One other thing of MAJOR importance:

A vote for McCain equals a likely vote for multiple conservative Supreme Court justices, with a vote for Clinton or Obama, a guaranteed vote to stuff the bench with liberals, with a much easier (ie downhill) appointment process in the Dem-heavy Congress.

This is far worse of an outcome than any sort of muddled socialist/entitlement domestic policy that Clinton/Obama could try to pass.

I'm not the biggest McCain fan either, but I'll still take him over Obama or Clinton any day of the week.

439 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:11:05pm

re: #431 Sharmuta

synonymous, "then"

"Toe" the line.

Spell check will not catch some things.

440 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:11:26pm

re: #426 looking closely

If Rush actually said that McCain and Hilary are synonymous than he is as disingenuous as people say.

No, he's not! He's being true to his conservative principles. That's hardly disingenuous.

441 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:11:30pm

re: #82 Kenneth

Iran or Saudi Arabia: Pick Your Poison by Youssef M. Ibrahim, (a former Middle East correspondent for the New York Times and Energy Editor of the Wall Street Journal is a freelance writer and Mideast political risk consultant based in New York.)


Choose wisely
America will soon have to choose between the Shiites and Sunnis as the Islamic civil war rumbles on, writes Youssef M. Ibrahim. It all boils down to which side has the better chance of adapting to modernity.

Beware the false dichotomy.

Kenneth -

Read that article, more or less, that was Dr. Kissenger's Plan after the 1973 War. We "picked" Persia (a/k/a Iran) as a counterweight to the Sunni Arab Nations, even gave them some of our newest weapons and ordinance like the F-14. The unfortunate events of 1979 rendered this choice moot. With 20/20 hindsight we did learn one thing. Don't give your latest and greatest to unstable authoritarian regimes.

-S-

442 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:11:33pm

re: #418 loppyd

re: #412 Ben Hur

Strahan Stomps Dean

He and Mike Tyson were separated at birth.

I checked my local listings of sex offenders the other day. Lo and behold, Mike Tyson popped up as one of the three closest.....

443 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:12:01pm

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

Hillary v. McCain: The Vagina Monologues versus the Angina Monologues.

Thing. Of. Beauty.

444 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:12:05pm

re: #431 Sharmuta

re: #428 Lizard by the Bay

If Rush actually said that McCain and Hilary are synonymous than he is as disingenuous as people say.

The Rush-Coulter alliance might as well start donating and stumping for Hillary right now.

Why? Because they should tow the party line? Why? mccain doesn't.

Because they would rather see McCain lose than a Republican win. And yes, compared to a Hillary or Obama, McCain is a conservative. And a Republican. And the last thing this country needs is an ultra-leftist being given the keys to the White House on a silver platter by the bitter Republican base.

445 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:12:12pm

re: #413 lawhawk

Oh, the delicious irony abounds. NM remains undecided so far as they're dipping into the provisional and absentee ballots. Obama and Clinton are separated by 117 votes (Hillary in the lead). It's a proportional representation state, so the 26 votes up for grabs will be split. Still, there is the matter of bragging rights.

That's my state. If it were winner take all, the dems would send one of their head people here who would "find" a couple of big boxes of uncounted votes (ref: 2004). They are supposed to be asking for ID (but no photos! use your utility bill (our mail was stolen last week)), but they don't ask. And if you aren't on the registered voter list, no problem, here's a provisional ballot, and "count every ballot." And if you go there and someone else already voted on your line, here's a provisional and if the right people are winning, the provisionals go in the proverbial trash. So then the faker's vote counts, and yours doesn't! Why can't we use biometric voter ID? I heard Bill Clinton watched the Super Bowl in Red River with Richardson. Inquiring minds were trying to figure out whose house or hotel they watched it in because Red River is a tiny (beautiful) ski town.

446 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:12:22pm

re: #434 coquimbojoe

"Most people on death row are men."

Sometimes I hear these comments where I live.

447 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:13:52pm

re: #439 Ojoe

synonymous, "then"

That wasn't me.

re: #439 Ojoe

"Toe" the line.

Thanks- I knew that, I was just trying to post too quickly.

448 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:14:05pm

re: #440 Sharmuta

re: #426 looking closely

If Rush actually said that McCain and Hilary are synonymous than he is as disingenuous as people say.

No, he's not! He's being true to his conservative principles. That's hardly disingenuous.

People who drank Jonestown Flavor-aid were principled, too.

449 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:14:50pm

re: #447 Sharmuta

Where is Goddess of the classroom when we need her?

450 Irish Rose  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:15:01pm

re: #360 Sharmuta

I'm going to repost a rant that I posted on another thread, because I'm not well enough to stay on the discussion threads today for any length of tiime.

I'm also not willing to stay here today, because I'm so damned angry at some of my fellow lizards that I feel like my head is going to explode.

I'm a bit more heavily invested in this election than a lot of people. I have one son who is a Marine, and a daughter who is enlisting in either the US Marine Corps or the US Navy this Fall. TWO children in the military, who will be calling our next POTUS "Commander in Chief".

I want a POTUS in office who is not going to make their jobs a lot more difficult, and a lot more dangerous. Clinton and Obama would do BOTH.

And when I see lizards here who would refuse to vote for a pro-war, pro-military candidate because they claim that he's alienated "the base" (meaning far-right conservatives only, and not those of us who are more moderate) on issues that have nothing to do with national security, or far worse - VOTE either Clinton or Obama into office - I feel a sick knot in my stomach.

Some people here, have their priorities so damned screwed up that they couldn't pry their heads out of their asses with a crowbar.

I may not be able to continue posting in this place if I have to suffer the idiocy of simpletons who would endanger the lives of my children with their political posturing.

John McCain is not my candidate of choice, but he is the candidate that I am going to vote for because he is the only candidate that I trust to serve as the CIC of our Armed Forces. Period.

And I will add to the above, that I have a THIRD child who is enlisting within the next three years. ALL of my children will have to serve under our next POTUS, so you can see why I'm not willing to vote for a POTUS who is weak on National Security and motivated to weaken our military.

That's where I stand today, good day to you all.

/end rant

451 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:15:13pm

re: #414 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #377 coquimbojoe

re: #369 Carl in Jerusalem


Be real careful about unexplained headaches with nausea that won't go away. They can be a sign of meningitis or worse, God forbid. Go to a doctor if that happens.

You, sir, are a ray of sunshine!

;)

Thanks.

Unfortunately, that's from experience. One of my kids had a brain tumor eleven and a half years ago. That's how he 'presented.' (Thank God he's much better today).

I generally get unexplained headaches and nausea when the news is on lately.... Maybe its not so unexplained!

/Good to hear you son is well!

452 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:15:43pm

re: #444 Lizard by the Bay

OK- again- so mccain doesn't have to walk in lock step, but I do?

I want to be a "maverick" too! Do my own thing. If it's good enough for john, why can't it be good enough for me?

453 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:15:44pm

re: #450 Irish Rose

Agree 100.

454 musicman  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:15:56pm

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

Hillary v. McCain: The Vagina Monologues versus the Angina Monologues.

That is hilarious!

455 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:16:33pm

re: #450 Irish Rose

God bless you and your children all.

and I am 100% in agreement with you.

456 rappmandu  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:17:18pm

re: #412 Ben Hur

Hilarious! I love the way Strahan replaced state names with NFL team city names.

457 shoey  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:17:47pm

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

now that was funny, lol

458 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:18:49pm

re: #450 Irish Rose

And I have 2 boys, 13 & 15. I want this war fought economically and victoriously. IMHO Democrats will let the problem fester and grow & it will be worse when we finally tackle it. For tackle it we must, or become slaves.

459 jcm  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:18:52pm

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

Hillary v. McCain: The Vagina Monologues versus the Angina Monologues.

ROFL, rotating title, hall of fame. Trade mark it quick!

460 RoughRider  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:20:01pm

re: #438 looking closely

One other thing of MAJOR importance:

A vote for McCain equals a likely vote for multiple conservative Supreme Court justices, with a vote for Clinton or Obama, a guaranteed vote to stuff the bench with liberals, with a much easier (ie downhill) appointment process in the Dem-heavy Congress.

Especially considering that the next president will very likely have the opportunity to replace the two most liberal justices on the Court, Stevens and Ginsburg.

This is far worse of an outcome than any sort of muddled socialist/entitlement domestic policy that Clinton/Obama could try to pass.

Agreed.

461 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:20:18pm

re: #452 Sharmuta

re: #444 Lizard by the Bay

OK- again- so mccain doesn't have to walk in lock step, but I do?

I want to be a "maverick" too! Do my own thing. If it's good enough for john, why can't it be good enough for me?

Again, I really don't understand your argument. The choice is between McCain and the two worst possible Presidents this country has ever been faced with. Either you get it, or you don't.

You apparently don't.

462 Render  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:20:38pm

"We can’t afford four more years with a President who fights an endless war in Iraq."

Yo, Doctor Scream, that phase of the war is almost over. In spite of your worst efforts Doctor Scream, we're still winning that phase and no matter how much you continue to scream, you cannot undo reality.

We still have troops stationed in Germany, Japan, and Italy, was that war "endless"?

We still have troops stationed in Cuba, Iceland, Great Britain, Belgium, and at 259 installations throughout Europe, was that war "endless"?

We have still troops stationed in South Korea, Australia, Guam, and Thailand, Doctor Scream, was that war "endless"?

Doctor Scream, you incompetent schmuck, it was your words that provided encouragement for the enemy to fight harder in Iraq and Afghanistan. The enemy takes comfort and receives a morale boost every time you open your mouth to scream meaningless out of context phrases. That's right Doctor Scream, you are giving aid and comfort to the enemy and they've told us how much they appreciate your support.

Doctor Scream, you and your party have made this war longer and harder than it had to be. Only the enemy has worked harder and sacrificed more to prolong this war, than the DNC and its political leadership have.

And Doctor Scream, people like me will never forget what you've done to prolong this war.

Seven-Eleven is hiring.

RECOGNITION
GUIDE,
R

463 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:21:41pm

re: #458 Ojoe

re: #450 Irish Rose

And I have 2 boys, 13 & 15. I want this war fought economically and victoriously. IMHO Democrats will let the problem fester and grow & it will be worse when we finally tackle it. For tackle it we must, or become slaves.

Democrats strike fear into the enemy with summonses and prosecutors. Jail terms with halal food and time off for good behavior. Oh the inhumanity of it all.

/

464 musicman  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:21:43pm

re: #462 Render

"We can’t afford four more years with a President who fights an endless war in Iraq."

Yo, Doctor Scream, that phase of the war is almost over. In spite of your worst efforts Doctor Scream, we're still winning that phase and no matter how much you continue to scream, you cannot undo reality.

We still have troops stationed in Germany, Japan, and Italy, was that war "endless"?

We still have troops stationed in Cuba, Iceland, Great Britain, Belgium, and at 259 installations throughout Europe, was that war "endless"?

We have still troops stationed in South Korea, Australia, Guam, and Thailand, Doctor Scream, was that war "endless"?

Doctor Scream, you incompetent schmuck, it was your words that provided encouragement for the enemy to fight harder in Iraq and Afghanistan. The enemy takes comfort and receives a morale boost every time you open your mouth to scream meaningless out of context phrases. That's right Doctor Scream, you are giving aid and comfort to the enemy and they've told us how much they appreciate your support.

Doctor Scream, you and your party have made this war longer and harder than it had to be. Only the enemy has worked harder and sacrificed more to prolong this war, than the DNC and its political leadership have.

And Doctor Scream, people like me will never forget what you've done to prolong this war.

Seven-Eleven is hiring.

RECOGNITION
GUIDE,
R

A glass of water for Render.

465 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:21:57pm

On meeting McCain halfway, and why

from Roger Simon. He's right, we could lsoe it all.

466 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:22:15pm

re: #450 Irish Rose

Hope you feel better soon. And I feel sick too. My party has abandoned me. Also- I don't know how closing Gitmo will help your children. Your children were abandoned by the party too. Their best chance of a decent CiC was lost awhile back. Also- I have yet to post on what exactly I'll do in the voting booth, so don't lump me in with others who have stated they would vote for a dem. I still don't know what I'll do, but I'm deeply saddened by this, and I don't trust john mccain- haven't for 15 years. That's not something I can "get over" in one night. So- forgive me my anger and disappointment today. November is still a ways off.

467 jcm  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:22:19pm

re: #462 Render

Would you trust him with the till?
Thought not....

468 shoey  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:22:25pm

re: #450 Irish Rose

Hillary won't pull the troops out, and Obama won't be allowed to..

469 Former SSG  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:22:29pm

lose, PIMF!

470 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:22:54pm

re: #463 coquimbojoe

Last Democrat who would be any good now was Truman.

471 StinkHammer  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:22:59pm

Did any of ya'll happen to catch Brit Hume giving a rundown on the typical Obama enthusiast during last night's coverage? At one point FOX ran film of Obama's speech and highlighted a young girl supporter standing behind Obama; Hume started talking about how she epitomized the enthusiasm and emotional investment that so many pundits were claiming was sadly missing from the contemporary political scene. He went on and on about how this young, weepy, emotionally overwraught young thing was "hanging on Obama's every word" and was overcome with support. He was being greatly sarcastic and handing out a backhanded critique of those typically swooning over Obama's ascendency as being drawn to anything but substance, but I'm not sure many on the panel perceived it that way.

I was laughing my ass off.

472 CT_V1  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:23:10pm

A McCain nomination with Obama as the Democratic nominee, let's be realistic, will probably fail. But if McCain can bring Huckabee on the ticket, they'd stand a better chance at swaying the southern votes Obama pulled in last night.

473 MrMom  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:23:17pm

re: #426 looking closely

re: #417 badsysop

If Rush actually said that McCain and Hilary are synonymous than he is as disingenuous as people say.

Hilary is running on a platform saying explicitly she will raise taxes, McCain is saying the opposite.

All other considerations aside, that's a pretty wide gap right there.


Psssst...
McCain is lying. His record speaks for him. Just saying what's required to get elected. Ssshhhhh....

474 kynna  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:23:40pm

I was just thinking that a lefty attack on John McCain might be the thing that gets him in a little better with conservatives. I also thought 'If I was McCain I'd get one of my lefty friends to see it done.' Hmmm. I wonder....

475 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:24:04pm

re: #470 Ojoe

re: #463 coquimbojoe

Last Democrat who would be any good now was Truman.

Zactly. They are 50 years away from having the balls to do anything.

476 Pyrocles  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:24:15pm

Guerilla tactics and poetry together with a spartan existence is sure to win the hearts of leftists worldwide! So egalitarian and romantic; the ultimate warrior-poet freedom fighter!


re: #290 Kenneth

477 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:25:11pm

re: #472 CT_V1

Sure or you might have McCain + Romney, with it looking like Romney in 4 years because of McCain's age and condition.

478 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:25:47pm

re: #475 coquimbojoe

Only 25 years per ball though.

479 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:27:02pm

re: #461 Lizard by the Bay

I think you meant three.

480 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:27:32pm

re: #477 Ojoe

re: #472 CT_V1

Sure or you might have McCain + Romney, with it looking like Romney in 4 years because of McCain's age and condition.

Probably to much animosity and too little wisdom on McCain's part for that to happen.

481 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:27:34pm

re: #466 Sharmuta

When Irish Rose was talking about being "so damned angry at some of [her] fellow lizards that felt like her head was going to explode", you do realize you were on that list, right?

482 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:28:02pm

re: #479 Sharmuta

re: #461 Lizard by the Bay

I think you meant three.

Right. I forgot Huckabee.

483 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:28:52pm

#450
#461
#466


OOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo~!

A cat fight....!

Meeeee-oowwww.

*Norsk Troll gets throws some popcorn in the Microwave*

~ENT

484 TMF  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:30:11pm

StinkHammer

LOL! Wish Id seen it

These gullible obamaturds need to be made fun of far more often

485 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:30:28pm

re: #483 EtNorskTroll

Now now. Tisk. Let's cut the ladies some slack.

486 Jfundie  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:30:36pm

re: #472 CT_V1

A McCain nomination with Obama as the Democratic nominee, let's be realistic, will probably fail. But if McCain can bring Huckabee on the ticket, they'd stand a better chance at swaying the southern votes Obama pulled in last night.

He has even less chance with Hitlery. McCain is good with old people and women, he also does pretty good in the blue states. The Beast specializes exactly on those three and will beat the living sheep out of him using the Machine.

487 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:31:13pm

re: #481 Lizard by the Bay

I'm so damn angry at my fellow republicans I could vomit, m'kay?

I'm also not going to be guilted into not thinking for myself, so save it.

488 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:32:34pm

re: #478 Ojoe

re: #475 coquimbojoe

Only 25 years per ball though.

Nuts when separated
Being on a liberal hung
make one less than castrated
what's left is more 'ho', than 'gung'

489 ARCountryBoy  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:33:03pm

I will go to jail before Hillary or Obama or any other new-socialist forces me and my money to participate in a socialist health care system.

I will go to jail before I am forced to turn over money I have earned to a socialist health care system whereby I am responsible for the cheomotherapy of a person who has chosen to smoke 3 packs a day for the past 30 years of their life.

I will go to jail before I am forced to turn over money I have earned to a socialist health care system whereby someone who overeats at every meal and refuses to exercise can get a lapband or gastric bypass procedure so that they can lose weight.

I will go to jail before I am forced to turn over money I have earnedso that some pot head sitting in his parents basement playing Word of Warcraft all day can go to the doctor free of charge whenever he so pleases.

And once I do go to jail b/c I refuse to be legislated into being responsible for any (additional) medical debts of people I don't know, guess who'll be paying for my health care? That's right - the government. And I won't be capable of contributing to any such plan then.

Sweet sweet irony.

490 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:33:41pm

re: #486 Jfundie

If she doesn't divorce Bill, the voter's visions of their own future buckets of barf — a four year line up of buckets, caused by Bill in the WHite House again — will surely keep her in the Senate, or in a private law firm.

491 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:33:49pm

re: #487 Sharmuta

Motion seconded, sister. Motion seconded.

492 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:33:57pm

re: #483 EtNorskTroll

Shut up, nazi apologist.

493 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:34:04pm

re: #487 Sharmuta

re: #481 Lizard by the Bay

I'm so damn angry at my fellow republicans I could vomit, m'kay?

I'm also not going to be guilted into not thinking for myself, so save it.

So you're allowed to think for yourself, but John McCain isn't. Glad we cleared that up.

494 Yank in the EU  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:35:22pm

re: #486 Jfundie

Agree about the GE, but your term for Hillary is similar to the left's "Chimpy McHitlerburton" and so on. Let the left have the Nazi / Hitler epithets all to themselves.

495 yochanan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:35:27pm

DEFEAT is not peace

and that is what the donks want DEFEAT but they will call it peace.

the reason i came to LGF was the war with islmo fascism in all it's parts, it wasn't because of abortion or other social cons. issues if you look i doubt you will find any threads on abortion or gay marrage in charles blog.

right now i am feeling more like an outsider looking in.

496 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:35:29pm

Bye, lunchtime & work next.

497 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:36:54pm

re: #495 yochanan

We must win or become slaves.

498 coquimbojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:37:24pm

re: #497 Ojoe

re: #495 yochanan

We must win or become slaves.

Agreed.

499 Russkilitlover  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:37:40pm

I thought these were McCain's shiny new friends?

500 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:37:42pm

re: #493 Lizard by the Bay

No- quite the opposite. If he's allowed to think for himself and be a "maverick" then I can be too. These calls for party solidarity should be lobbed at mccain first, then the party base.

501 looking closely  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:39:00pm

re: #435 badsysop

I can give you a laundry list of reasons why McCain, despite multiple party-line defections, would be better than Clinton or Obama.

See that last bit about US Supreme Court appointments for another wide-gap reason. If that isn't enough for you, how would you like to see Bill Clinton sitting on the US Supreme Court? (I'm not saying that's a likely appointment, but can you deny its not possible under a Hillary administration?).

Obama said he's going to pull all our troops out of Iraq, and take his finger off the nuclear button. You want THAT guy as Commander-in-chief? Talk about wet-behind-the-ears; this guy hasn't even served out ONE term in Congress yet, and most of that term has been spent running for President.

502 Ojoe  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:40:33pm

re: #501 looking closely

Obama said he's going to pull all our troops out of Iraq, and take his finger off the nuclear button.

What an idiot.

503 shoey  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:41:21pm

re: #487 Sharmuta


i feel the same way

504 Steffan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:43:30pm

re: #280 Eowyn2

More predictions from me:

Obama's money supply will soon be drying up.

I doubt it. I don't think Soros likes the Clintons -- 'way too much baggage.

505 Irish Rose  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:43:59pm

re: #466 Sharmuta

re: #450 Irish Rose

Your children were abandoned by the party too. Their best chance of a decent CiC was lost awhile back.

Yes it was.
But does that mean that we're going to abandon our brave service men and women to a CIC from the Democratic party?

God forbid it, Sharmuta. God forbid.

I don't care for McCain, and I wish that Rudy had stayed in the race. But he didn't, and nothing can be done about that. Yes, I'm disappointed.... of course I am. But I'm simply not going to let my disappointment cause me to abandon reason.

A nuclear Iran and biological warfare on domestic soil are issues that our next POTUS is going to have to deal with.

We HAVE to stay focused here, for heavens sake... we have a savage enemy that never sleeps and will not rest until we are all living under the shariah. Now is not the time for us to be losing our heads.

I'm not angry at you, how on earth could I be? I do think that we're allowing our political passions to disable our sense of priority, though, and we need to get back on track here.

A McCain presidency is not the end of life as we know it. A POTUS who doesn't make national security and strengthening our military his top priorities, WILL be.

506 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:44:01pm

re: #495 yochanan

You think you're on the outside looking in? Try being a conservative in the Republican party this morning. Or an anti-jihadi facing a Republican nominee that wants to close Gitmo. I feel sick. I do care about domestic policy, but the WoT is still my number one issue because if we lose it, domestic policy won't mean sh*t. And frankly- closing Gitmo would be a major victory in the eyes of al-qaeda and their brethren everywhere, don't you think?

507 Irish Rose  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:45:43pm

re: #481 Lizard by the Bay

I never said that. Please do not make assertions on my behalf.

508 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:47:46pm

re: #485 Ojoe

re: #483 EtNorskTroll

Now now. Tisk. Let's cut the ladies some slack.

Sounds fun to me~!

I find it instructive observing the logical end of those who cannot accept ANY impurity in political parties...even their own.

Eventually, they start eating each other.

Kind of like watching a train wreck: terrible to watch, but you just can't help yourself!

~ENT

509 looking closely  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:48:16pm

re: #440 Sharmuta

re: #426 looking closely

If Rush actually said that McCain and Hilary are synonymous than he is as disingenuous as people say.

No, he's not! He's being true to his conservative principles. That's hardly disingenuous.


It is when Rush knows damn well that McCain and H. Clinton are NOT synonymous in any meaningful way.

I don't remember hearing about him stumping for Romney, either.

I'm not saying McCain is perfect, clearly he's not, but if McCain is such a non-Conservative, why is it that the American Conservative Institute gives him a lifetime rating of 83% with Hilary Clinton earning a 9%?

Taxes, gun rights, socialized medicine, supreme court appointments, abortion (if you care); these two are on opposite sides of those issues, and to claim the two are synonymous, is, again, disingenuous.

510 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:48:54pm
511 Steffan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:49:54pm

re: #377 coquimbojoe

re: #369 Carl in Jerusalem


Be real careful about unexplained headaches with nausea that won't go away. They can be a sign of meningitis or worse, God forbid. Go to a doctor if that happens.

You, sir, are a ray of sunshine!

;)

For that matter, if you bumped your head and are now feeling nausea, go to the ER NOW. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

I agree, headaches and nausea are a Very Bad Thing, and you need to see a physician soonest.

Of course, if it's just a hangover, try a hair of the dog that bit you. :)

512 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:50:02pm

re: #487 Sharmuta

re: #481 Lizard by the Bay

I'm so damn angry at my fellow republicans I could vomit, m'kay?

I'm also not going to be guilted into not thinking for myself, so save it.

Like I said: They start to consume each other....and themselves, too.

/you could see this coming from space
/case in point

~ENT

513 StinkHammer  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:50:17pm

re: #501 looking closely

re: #435 badsysop

Obama said he's going to pull all our troops out of Iraq, and take his finger off the nuclear button. You want THAT guy as Commander-in-chief? Talk about wet-behind-the-ears; this guy hasn't even served out ONE term in Congress yet, and most of that term has been spent running for President.

As I mentioned on the early morning open thread, I heard a caller to Mike Rosen's (Denver) radio show this morning go to lengths extolling how thrilled he was that Obama (as president) would essentially represent the Socialist wing of the Democratic Party. Rosen drew the guy out to get him to admit that he was a proud Socialist, and that Obama was the candidate who best represented his agenda.

Keep that in mind: it's not just the Rock Star image (although that's a huge part for the uniformed populace-at-large), there are committed uber-Lefties who DO understand where Obama stands on issues, and it's on the Socialist-left part of the spectrum.

I sure as hell may not be enthusiastic about McCain, but he's certainly better than the kind of disastrous policies favored by the likes of Obama's ideological supporters.

514 Just Another Four-letter Word  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:51:00pm

re: #314 Eowyn2


zell miller

...been saying for years that Zell would make a good running mate. He gets it.

JAFLW

515 Irish Rose  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:52:03pm

re: #483 EtNorskTroll

Stuff it, dude. I'm not in the mood for it today.

516 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:53:08pm

re: #515 Irish Rose

re: #483 EtNorskTroll

Stuff it, dude. I'm not in the mood for it today.

People rarely are.

/the truth hurts

~ENT

517 looking closely  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:53:32pm

re: #506 Sharmuta

re: #495 yochanan

You think you're on the outside looking in? Try being a conservative in the Republican party this morning. Or an anti-jihadi facing a Republican nominee that wants to close Gitmo. I feel sick. I do care about domestic policy, but the WoT is still my number one issue because if we lose it, domestic policy won't mean sh*t. And frankly- closing Gitmo would be a major victory in the eyes of al-qaeda and their brethren everywhere, don't you think?


How long do you think Clinton or Obama would keep Gitmo open. . .ten minutes? Maybe an hour? Obama already said he would pull all troops out of Iraq ASAP.

Not only would they close it in a heartbeat, they'd write checks from your tax money to compensate the detainees for the inconvenience, while Bill went on a global apology tour.

And in classic Clintonian whichever-way-the-wind is blowing now, H. Clinton has flip-flopped on the war, while her husband did do, claiming he didn't support it, even though he is on record of supporting Hussein's ouster as President.

One thing I *can* say about McCain is that he "gets it" with respect to the Global War on Terror.

518 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:53:42pm

re: #505 Irish Rose

Thanks, Irish Rose. I'll just say again that I'm quite angry with my fellow Republicans, but at least I've tried to keep my cool enough to not post something stupid like I'd vote for obama. I'll continue to keep your brave children in mind along with all our troops.

519 looking closely  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:55:33pm

#509, me, PIMF

That's American Conservative Union giving McCain a lifetime rating of 83%, (not ACI), sorry.

520 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:55:46pm

re: #512 EtNorskTroll

Nice apologist argument there, CaliTroll. Next you'll tell us we should vote for vlaams belang?

521 musicman  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:57:55pm

What these makes the top of your list?

Healthcare?
Economy?
Environment?
War on Terror?
Child Care?
Taxes?

Whatever does rise to the top vote accordingly.

522 Irish Rose  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:57:58pm

re: #516 EtNorskTroll

re: #515 Irish Rose


re: #483 EtNorskTroll

Stuff it, dude. I'm not in the mood for it today.


People rarely are.

/the truth hurts

~ENT


I'm concerned for the wellbeing of my family, Norsk.
You find that to be amusing?

523 looking closely  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:58:33pm

[Link: www.conservative.org...]

February 24, 2005

Hillary Gets Perfect Score in ACU's
Annual Rating of Congress

Presumptive Democratic Presidential Candidate Clinton's
'Zero' Score Belies Alleged Move to Center

ALEXANDRIA, VA - According to the 34th edition of the American Conservative Union's annual Rating of Congress -- widely regarded as the "gold standard" of conservative scoring of Congress -- New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton continues to vote with the Democrat Party's far Left fringe. The 2004 Ratings book was released last week.

524 Steffan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 12:59:35pm

re: #508 EtNorskTroll


Kind of like watching a train wreck: terrible to watch, but you just can't help yourself!

~ENT

Ya know, that's the problem: we are watching a train wreck.

On the Dem side, schadenfreude can be fun. On the (R) side, it really depends on who the running mate will be -- Fred or Rudy would energize the base, no matter who the nominee is.

525 razorbacker  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:01:02pm

re: #31 Honorary Yooper

re: #24 loppyd

On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.

What is he smoking up in VT?

No idea, but obviously it's very powerful stuff.

As Dr. Dean, wouldn't he have access to the good stuff?

526 Steffan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:03:53pm

re: #525 razorbacker

re: #31 Honorary Yooper

re: #24 loppyd

On immigration reform, he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party.


What is he smoking up in VT?


No idea, but obviously it's very powerful stuff.

As Dr. Dean, wouldn't he have access to the good stuff?

That was my thought.

And he's NOT SHARING!

527 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:05:04pm

re: #441 Dr. Shalit

Good advice. But the gist of this guys essay was that we HAVE to choose on or the other, and trying to bring democracy to the Muslim world is pointless. That's a rather bleak outlook, and not one I share. It also presents us with a forced choice. OMO, there are other options: regime change in both those hideous terrorist states.

528 razorbacker  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:05:13pm

re: #501 looking closely

re: #435 badsysop

I can give you a laundry list of reasons why McCain, despite multiple party-line defections, would be better than Clinton or Obama.

See that last bit about US Supreme Court appointments for another wide-gap reason. If that isn't enough for you, how would you like to see Bill Clinton sitting on the US Supreme Court? (I'm not saying that's a likely appointment, but can you deny its not possible under a Hillary administration?).

Obama said he's going to pull all our troops out of Iraq, and take his finger off the nuclear button. You want THAT guy as Commander-in-chief? Talk about wet-behind-the-ears; this guy hasn't even served out ONE term in Congress yet, and most of that term has been spent running for President.

One way to a happy life is to find out what you are good at, then spend your time doing that activity.

529 Sharmuta  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:05:48pm

re: #522 Irish Rose

He is a troll after all. Bless you and yours Rose, and again, I hope you feel better soon. I need to get going, but I thank you for your reasoned posts.

530 AuldTrafford  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:06:45pm

re: #460 RoughRider

re: #438 looking closely


One other thing of MAJOR importance:

A vote for McCain equals a likely vote for multiple conservative Supreme Court justices, with a vote for Clinton or Obama, a guaranteed vote to stuff the bench with liberals, with a much easier (ie downhill) appointment process in the Dem-heavy Congress.


Especially considering that the next president will very likely have the opportunity to replace the two most liberal justices on the Court, Stevens and Ginsburg.

This is far worse of an outcome than any sort of muddled socialist/entitlement domestic policy that Clinton/Obama could try to pass.



Agreed.

This was discussed on the morning thread; McCain has Sen Warren Rudman on board as a top adviser (and likely AG). Rudman can take credit for advising Bush41 to nominate David Souter to the Supremes.

531 Irish Rose  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:06:53pm
Talk about wet-behind-the-ears; this guy hasn't even served out ONE term in Congress yet, and most of that term has been spent running for President.

Tool for CHANGE!

532 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:07:00pm

re: #450 Irish Rose

Amen, and God bless you and your family.

533 right_wing2  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:07:08pm

Obama will make Carter look like a war monger

534 Steffan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:07:33pm

re: #523 looking closely

[Link: www.conservative.org...]

February 24, 2005

Hillary Gets Perfect Score in ACU's
Annual Rating of Congress

Presumptive Democratic Presidential Candidate Clinton's
'Zero' Score Belies Alleged Move to Center

ALEXANDRIA, VA - According to the 34th edition of the American Conservative Union's annual Rating of Congress -- widely regarded as the "gold standard" of conservative scoring of Congress -- New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton continues to vote with the Democrat Party's far Left fringe. The 2004 Ratings book was released last week.

Umm, excuse me... this is Hillary Clinton we're discussing.

If you expected anything different, there's a bridge nearby that might interest you.....

535 Irish Rose  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:08:06pm

re: #529 Sharmuta

Have a good day, Sharmuta.
I'm going to try to eat some chicken soup this afternoon, here's hoping it stays down long enough to make a difference.

536 Russkilitlover  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:08:23pm

re: #506 Sharmuta

re: #495 yochanan

You think you're on the outside looking in? Try being a conservative in the Republican party this morning. Or an anti-jihadi facing a Republican nominee that wants to close Gitmo. I feel sick. I do care about domestic policy, but the WoT is still my number one issue because if we lose it, domestic policy won't mean sh*t. And frankly- closing Gitmo would be a major victory in the eyes of al-qaeda and their brethren everywhere, don't you think?

It's not a good day to be a conservative, that's for sure. Even a moderate one! What makes all these McCain apologists think that he'll be so tough on WoT? He has marginalized conservatives, so they can be no help to him under an onslaught of Democrat undermining and pressure to withdrawal.

537 looking closely  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:09:21pm

re: #513 StinkHammer
That's just it.

No matter how much of a "Maverick" McCain has been in occasionally partnering with the left in questionable issues, there is still a WIDE gulf between him and both Clinton and Obama, who both occupy the extreme left of the American political spectrum.

McCain hasn't been 100% Conservative, but he's still been in Congress for 25 years, and is unequivocally, undeniably Conservative. Frankly, there is no viable 100% conservative Republican candidate at this time, and even if there were, this hypothetical candidate probably wouldn't be electable right now anyway.

That's why statements like "a vote for McCain is a vote for Clinton" are so vacuous. That's just untrue on every level.

Frankly, I don't love McCain either (though I still like him better than Huckabee). Being blunt, McCain is not that sharp, he's stubborn and tends to shoot from the hip, and he has a reputation of having a fragile temper. But he's still better than *any* of the Dem candidates, that for me pulling the lever for him would be a no-brainer if it came down to that.

538 Kenneth  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:11:12pm

re: #522 Irish Rose

FYI: a lot of people here consider 'EtNorskTroll' just that, a troll, always trying to stir up shit and start fights between well meaning LGFers. Ignore him and pray one day Stinky Beaumont puts him out of our misery.

IMO, you have more integrity in your baby finger than EtNorskTroll has known in his whole pathetic life.

539 AuldTrafford  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:14:09pm

re: #537 looking closely

Well, I deny that he is conservative; remember, if Jumpin' Jim Jeffords hadn't jumped ship a few years back, McCain was all set to go - had Daschle out to visit the homestead and the whole nine yards.

He has no conservative credentials.

540 Steffan  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:14:20pm

America needs you
Harry Truman
Harry could you please come home
Things are looking bad
I know you would be mad
To see your favorite men
Prevail upon the land you love

America's wondering
How we got here
Harry all we get is lies
Were gettin' safer cars
Rocket ships to Mars
From men who'd sell us out
To get themselves a piece of power

We'd love to hear you speak your mind
In plain and simple ways
Call a spade a spade
Like you did back in the days
You would play piano
Each morning walk a mile
Speak of what was going down
With honesty and style

America's calling
Harry Truman
Harry you know what to do
The world is turnin' round and losin' lots of ground
Oh harry is there something we can do to save the land we love
Oh woah woah woah

America's calling
Harry Truman
Harry you know what to do
The world is turnin' round
And losin' lots of ground
Harry is there something we can do to save the land we love
Oh
Harry is there something we can do to save the land we love
Harry
Harry is there something we can do to save the land we love

541 BabbaZee  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:16:35pm

Bah! Moosecrimp!

542 Render  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:17:15pm

The only bridge around here belongs to me.

I took it away from a fake Norwegian troll in California.

10,000
DAYS,
R

543 BabbaZee  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:17:17pm

re: #540 Steffan

[BLINK]

544 looking closely  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:26:45pm

re: #536 Russkilitlover

It's not a good day to be a conservative, that's for sure. Even a moderate one! What makes all these McCain apologists think that he'll be so tough on WoT? He has marginalized conservatives, so they can be no help to him under an onslaught of Democrat undermining and pressure to withdrawal.


A Presidential win would give him a mandate and political capital. It would also, hopefully, raise him up to the job (as happens to many). Why would anyone who supported the WOT pre-McCain not take that same stance after his presumptive election?

As to why he "would" be tough on the WOT, its because he's stubborn as a goat, and he has a long personal history of being a foreign policy hawk. He said the only worse thing than attacking Iran is a Iran with a bomb, and I think he means it sincerely.

In fact, by history, McCain stands to the right of EVERY candidate in the race thusfar, including Giuliani. So if not him on the WOT, whom do you like better?

GWB isn't running for a third term (and neither is Laura Bush, who has as much White House experience as Hillary Clinton).

545 sandspur  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:27:42pm

re: #131 AuldTrafford

re: #43 buzzsawmonkey

re: #20 Kirly


they want mccain. those of you who have yet to vote in your primaries, don't give them what they want! vote for romney. the do not want to run against romney.


I am becoming more and more convinced that the "shoestring" Huckabee candidacy that mysteriously keeps on going and going is simply a spoiler run being financed by George Leprosy ("Soros" = "Tzaraas" = "Leprosy") to ensure that Hillary Clinton does not run against Romney, who has executive experience, but against saggy old Senator Liver Spots. I find it interesting that a previously-unknown Arkansas governor should suddenly wake up and decide to run for President--and that his staying in the race despite his supposed lack of money should so conveniently benefit the candidacy of a former First Lady of Arkansas.

Interestingly, however, MoveOn.org has endorsed Obama. Maybe more pro-Hillary chicanery, but pretty expensive. Actually, you're probably right - just substitute "biggest liberal" for "Hillary".

Maybe that outfit of McCain's, the Reform Institute, (that is partly Soros financed) is funneling bucks to Huck.

546 looking closely  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:33:02pm

re: #539 AuldTrafford

re: #537 looking closely

Well, I deny that he is conservative; remember, if Jumpin' Jim Jeffords hadn't jumped ship a few years back, McCain was all set to go - had Daschle out to visit the homestead and the whole nine yards.

He has no conservative credentials.

547 AuldTrafford  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:33:31pm

re: #545 sandspur

Thanks; wasn't aware of that one. Have to add that to the list.

548 looking closely  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:36:31pm

re: #546 looking closely

What the heck? My response got "eaten" in cyberspace!

The American Conservative Union, the USA's oldest Conservative lobby group, and one of the most respected, thinks otherwise. . .that McCain is not only Conservative, but strongly so.

If you want to get into semantics, then what is your definition of "conservative" and how does McCain not fit?

And if not him, then whom?

On the two issues where the POTUS would have maximum impact, namely setting foreign policy priority, and nominating SCOTUS justices, McCain is as Conservative as any, and more than many.

549 AuldTrafford  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:36:59pm

re: #546 looking closely

Bet there's more to that than meets the eye. I'm having trouble with getting keystrokes to show up. You, too?

550 sandspur  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:37:52pm

re: #450 Irish Rose

Supporting our troops is the only thing that will get me to vote for McCain.
If he is the nominee of the party, I'll do it, because the thought of America's finest, bravest men and women having either Hillary or Obama as CinC is unbearable. I darn sure don't want a Donk presidency on my conscience.

551 beachkatie  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:39:02pm

re: #302 Former SSG
Its going be Huckabee. That is why he doesn't say any thing bad about him.

552 sandspur  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:39:14pm

re: #547 AuldTrafford

Check over at Michelle Malkin's. She had a post up a few days ago about the Reform Institute.

553 AuldTrafford  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:44:15pm

re: #548 looking closely

On this morning's thread, i identified three issues I see as critical: (i) immigration, (ii) response to the climate scam, and (iii) National Health Care. Taxation and the economy could be on the list, too. His responses on all those issues are liberal - meaning government is the answer (instead of being the problem - my view [and Reagan's]).

As for judges, note that one of his top advisers is Warren Rudman (said to be a likely AG appointment). He is the one who gets the credit for persuading Bush41 to nominate David Souter to the Supremes. If you don't think he is a liberal, then we do have a definitional problem.

554 Orbit Rain  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:45:57pm
he’s promising nothing more than a third Bush term.

...riiiight...are you on the edge of pulling out some conspiracy talk on us? Oh that's right..it's gonna be McCain is part of the "military complex" fawning to herd us all into cages...?


After championing campaign finance reform and ethics legislation to score political points

...that's right, everything he does is for "political points"...sounds like some nebulous projection to me...

he’s run as far to the right as he can, aligning himself with the most extreme elements

...oooohhh...scare talk....Mother Theresa would be "aligned with the most extreme elements" in your copy too...



On the war, McCain scoffed at Bush’s call to leave troops in Iraq for 50 years, saying “Make it a hundred!”

some people just don't understand that saying "we're getting out on this day" tells the terrorists to lay low till we go...


“I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.”

..and *that* is the truth...I'd still rather have a republican than a democrat in the office...he should have access to all the economists he can get his hands on...


We can’t afford four more years with a President who drives the economy into the ground.

how many quarters in a row of job growth again? What is the unemployment rates compared to Clinton again?

We can’t afford four more years with a President who fights an endless war in Iraq.

You tell me when they'll be done waging war on us and I'll tell you when we're done with this war...If you want to portray "war in Iraq" as something separate from what it is a part of, then you're just a party man, and not a patriot.

...yeah, that's right, I said it...

555 AuldTrafford  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:46:03pm

re: #552 sandspur

I will; thanks again.

556 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 1:53:02pm

re: #500 Sharmuta

re: #493 Lizard by the Bay

No- quite the opposite. If he's allowed to think for himself and be a "maverick" then I can be too. These calls for party solidarity should be lobbed at mccain first, then the party base.

Ah, I see. Well, if you want to be a "maverick" and stump for Obamary, that's fine. As long as you understand that every complaint you have about McCain is about 1,000 times worse with his opponent, and that you are working hard for your own nation's destruction.

557 Russkilitlover  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 2:01:46pm

re: #544 looking closely

I don't have an answer to that, other than I don't trust McCain. He's flipped and flopped to the whim of political expediency. Not that most politicians don't, but to me he's more unstable than most.

Do I prefer the Democrat numbnuts? Not at all.

Sad that our vast, energetic, enterprising, freedom loving country can only produce this sorry lot.

558 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 2:23:58pm

re: #557 Russkilitlover

Sad that our vast, energetic, enterprising, freedom loving country can only produce this sorry lot.

After 8 straight years of the nastiest, ugliest, most unfair vilification of a human being in history (I'm talking about W here), is it a wonder that few good people want this thankless job?

559 lennysquiggy  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 2:25:50pm

#80 Kragar:

Agreed. As a former Rudy supporter, I will not vote for McCain. He won't win anyway - but I'm not compromising my vote for a wannabe Dem who uses Clintonian tactics to defame his own party and then says we have to support HIM. Don't even get me started on the Huckster.

I want a Romney/Hunter third party candidacy or something similar. Force McCain into the middle/left to compete with Hillary. Short of that, I ain't votin.

Stop "Big RINO."

560 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 2:27:01pm
561 Spiny Norman  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 2:29:00pm

re: #548 looking closely

re: #546 looking closely

What the heck? My response got "eaten" in cyberspace!

The American Conservative Union, the USA's oldest Conservative lobby group, and one of the most respected, thinks otherwise. . .that McCain is not only Conservative, but strongly so.

If you want to get into semantics, then what is your definition of "conservative" and how does McCain not fit?

I suppose, if you consider a "65" as "stongly conservative"...

562 Sunlight  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 2:33:05pm

re: #510 buzzsawmonkey

Here are the real Mavericks... if it matters.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

563 lennysquiggy  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 2:35:48pm

#548:

1.) Please point me to where McCain has said he would appoint constructionist judges to the Supreme Court. The only GOP candidates that I heard say anything about this were Fred and Rudy.

2.) McCain has done NOTHING to show me he will have a solid foreign policy. Rudy had an anti-Islamist dream team. McCain wants to stay in Iraq, but he wants to close Gitmo. Sounds like a maverick strategy, but it doesn't sound like a well-thought out strategy.

3.) McCain doesn't know jack about the economy, but he bought Greenspan's book. Great... might as well brag that he stayed in a Holiday Inn last night.

If McCain will address these matters along with amnesty, global warming, etc. etc., I'll reconsider. Of course, I'll have to get over the part about him being a liar, but hey, I'll keep an open mind.

564 lennysquiggy  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 2:38:52pm

#327:

I'd write in all 3.

565 SagamoreGal  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 2:41:11pm

" he’s promising nothing more than a third Bush term."

This country could not survive a third Bush term.

This country cannot survive a first term of HRC or BHO.

566 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 3:57:45pm

re: #542 Render

The only bridge around here belongs to me.

I took it away from a fake Norwegian troll in California.

10,000
DAYS,
R

Aah nei, aah nei!

"Render" sa att 'eg er falsk...att 'eg er ikke norsk!

Hva skall 'eg gjore?!?

Stakkars meg!
Stakkars meg!

Naa vet alle at 'eg har ikke peiling hovrdan aa skrive, snakke eller leser norsk!

Hva i hele verden skal 'eg gjore?

Du, Render, si meg noe: bekymrer det deg at naar du taper hovedpoeng, du maa begynner aa rive i stykker personen?

Heh.

~Et Norsk Troll

567 TGregg  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 3:57:48pm

LOL! This could be a great election year after all! Well, not for who wins the Whitehouse - I mean, that's a lost cause.

But to see the Democrats twist themselves and facts soooo much that McCain looks like an uber-extreme right winger!? LOL! That'll be even funnier than Danny Rather! Somebody dash off some memos for them.

And the even funnier part is, the more conservative they make Ol Johnny Boy, the more the base will like him, and the worse their chances of their boy or girl winning.

The democrats have lost touch with Reality a long time ago. I wonder how many people Dean has that feed him, get him dressed and all the rest?

568 EtNorskTroll  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 4:13:52pm

re: #538 Kenneth

re: #522 Irish Rose

FYI: a lot of people here consider 'EtNorskTroll' just that, a troll, always trying to stir up shit and start fights between well meaning LGFers. Ignore him and pray one day Stinky Beaumont puts him out of our misery.

IMO, you have more integrity in your baby finger than EtNorskTroll has known in his whole pathetic life.

Start fights?

Are you sure I started a fight? You mean I ENDED the fight, right?

How's 'bout you go back and take a good, hard, long look at the thread again, Kenneth.

Others started it.

It ended when I gave my input (whether it was out of embarrassment or shame on the part of the participants doesn't matter. It stopped, didn't it?).

/please get your facts straight.

~ENT

569 Render  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 5:09:37pm

re: #566 EtNorskTroll

WEAK,
R

570 Bard  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 5:26:29pm

re: #158 Highrise

As to him appointing "conservative judges"...ha!

[Link: www.vote-smart.org...]

See his abortion record for yourself.

571 EE  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 7:14:30pm

Howard Dean assumes that McCain will be the Republican nominee, and he wants to fool the electorate concerning what their choice is, and even wants to fool them concerning the fact that they have a choice between real people.

Howard Dean would like to make the election a referendum on George W. Bush. If there is any comparison at all he wants it to be GWB versus the ideal (unspecified) maximally perfect alternative. He wants to blind people regarding the actual task at hand. The election is a choice between real people who are vying for the job of Commander-in-Chief. We are choosing someone to fill that job. Which would make the better Commander-in-Chief?

The election is a choice between people, and the main issue that will face the electorate in the war that radical Islamic extremists have chosen to wage against us is: Who would be the better Commander-in-Chief.

Would the better Commander-in-Chief be Barak Hussein Obama?
Would the better Commander-in-Chief be Hillary Rodham Clinton?
Or would the better Commander-in-Chief be the war hero John McCain?

572 EE  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 7:51:35pm
I don’t just want to beat John McCain - I want it to be a landslide.

-- John Dean.

If that is an acceptable statement for the Dems, then it is equally acceptable to comment:

"I don't just want to beat Barak Hussein Obama -- I want it to be a landslide."

And it is equally acceptable to state:

"I don't just want to beat Hillary Rodham Cclinton -- I want it to be a landslide."

And that means that it is as acceptable to attack both of these Dem contenders as it is for Howard Dean and his followers to attack George W. Bush and John McCain.

There is not a single word in Howard Dean's talking points about the merits of Obama or the merits of Clinton. His proposed campaign is entirely negative. I think that what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If Howard Dean and his followers go negative, then that's the kind of campaign that they have chosen, and it should certainly not be unilaterally negative. It should be just as legitimate to dish it right back at the Dem candidates if that is what the Dean Dems do.

And there is no need to wait until it becomes clear whether the lead will be taken by Obama or by Clinton. It has to be one of these two. So it would be worthwhile to return the fire coming at Bush and McCain by sending salvos at Obama and Clinton.

The Republicans need to be united in this, however. If they spend all of their time, effort, and resources attacking each other, that will not help in the general election.

573 Scottcs  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 10:17:59pm

"We can’t afford four more years with a President who drives the economy into the ground."

Wow, Dean really is nuts; it's not just that clip of him screaming! Yeah, drive the economy in the ground---low unemployment, house values have gone up, interest rates are down, tax cuts...yeah, give the tax and spend morons like Dean-mented.

574 Boazhorribilis  Wed, Feb 6, 2008 11:09:26pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

There might be more than one McCains, who knows? One thing is for sure: there is only one Dean. He is a piece of work! But do not knock him, he ight be McCain's best ally in the months to come...

575 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Feb 7, 2008 7:39:22am

re: #569 Render

re: #566 EtNorskTroll

WEAK,
R

I'll let others decide, Render.

Say, by the way: How's the RNC leaders coming along on condemning the anti-Semites in the GOP who are running for POTUS?

/just askin'
/nfimf, remember?

~ENT


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