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Video: Geert Wilders' 'Fitna'

Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:13:47 pm PDT

Here it is, the film by Dutch MP Geert Wilders that caused a worldwide uproar before anyone had seen a single frame: Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders’ film about the Quran (English).

WARNING: there is some graphic footage in here, including video of people jumping from the Twin Towers on 9/11—footage that has been hidden away by the mainstream media.

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:14:24pm
2 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:14:40pm

Key of D. Watch for the changes and try to keep up!

3 insanity police  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:15:04pm

Rioting in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

4 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:15:26pm

I hope the hamsters are up for this. al-reuters will have a full squad of lurkers here too.

5 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:15:37pm

It's pretty graphic. I minimized the video when it came to the beheading but, the screaming was awful. I hit the mute button very quickly.

6 Ben Hur  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:15:41pm

It's all just a misunderstanding.

7 insanity police  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:15:46pm

Charles,

What did you think of it?

8 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:16:16pm

The Glory of Islam!

9 Tarkus289  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:16:23pm

The only way to peace is victory.

10 loppyd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:16:28pm

re: #6 Ben Hur

It's all just a misunderstanding.

Cherry picked and played on a loop

/Obama

11 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:16:29pm

This could be the record setting thread.

12 Ben Hur  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:16:30pm

And remember, Geert didn't write the Koran.

13 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:16:32pm

re: #4 pingjockey

I hope the hamsters are up for this. al-reuters will have a full squad of lurkers here too.


Three have been here today.

14 Yogurt  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:17:07pm

Repeat after me, Religion of Peace, Religion of Peace....

15 Skeptical Patriot  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:17:19pm

Released the day before prayers. Brilliant x 2.

16 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:17:26pm

Brilliant

Friday prayers might be interesting this week.....

17 coquimbojoe  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:17:35pm

Oh, I can feel the seethgasm starting!

18 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:18:28pm

It never ceases to amaze me. I have seen films with questionable amounts of Hollywood gore and it is just that...Hollywood. True violence/evil hits you full on in the stomache and it is tough to shake it.

19 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:18:29pm

re: #13 MandyManners
There will be lurkers from every ant-lizard forum on the planet. Hey, Hey you.... Yes you, You POS lurkers, go watch the movie and see all the glories of Islam, you simpering twits!

20 Ben Hur  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:18:33pm

I got a chill up my leg.

21 loppyd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:18:34pm

re: #17 coquimbojoe

Oh, I can feel the seethgasm starting!

epic proportions....

KFC better batten down the hatches.

22 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:18:42pm

Harpe Diem (Seethe the Day)

23 Ma Sands  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:18:44pm

re: #12 Ben Hur

He didn't tear a page of it out, either --made sure we knew it was a phone book page.....

24 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:19:13pm

re: #15 Skeptical Patriot

Released the day before prayers. Brilliant x 2.

I would guess a very calculated release just before Friday.

25 Rogue198  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:19:17pm

Should be an interesting weekend

26 Fellay Timi  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:19:33pm

Very good. Well done Mr Wilders.

We need more of the same, and more often.

27 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:19:37pm

re: #23 Ma Sands
I think that was so the Dutch mind crime laws didn't get him.

28 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:19:37pm

re: #23 Ma Sands

He didn't tear a page of it out, either --made sure we knew it was a phone book page.....

Yeah...the 'phone book'...hint hint...nudge nudge. Say no more, say no more.

29 rappmandu  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:19:53pm

Pakistan initiating LiveLeak global shutdown in 3...2..1.

30 coquimbojoe  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:20:06pm

I am fascinated with what is going to happen after prayers tomorrow. We should know by around midnight tonite (PST)

31 ethanxxx  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:20:30pm

CAIR ACTION ALERT!

32 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:20:34pm

re: #23 Ma Sands

He didn't tear a page of it out, either --made sure we knew it was a phone book page.....

I thought that was a great move.

There WILL be trouble ahead

33 ciaospirit  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:20:40pm

re: #10 loppyd

Cherry picked and played on a loop

/Obama

Shame on us according to Obama. I heard that clip. Some logic, huh?

34 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:20:44pm

re: #30 coquimbojoe

I am fascinated with what is going to happen after prayers tomorrow. We should know by around midnight tonite (PST)

There are going to be a lot of bruised foreheads I am guessing.

35 coquimbojoe  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:21:01pm

Seethegasmus eruptus in 3...2...1...

36 LSD  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:21:16pm

Wilders has issued a challenge ...

37 EC Marm  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:21:27pm
WARNING: there is some graphic footage in here.


Huh? We are talking about the "Religion of Peace &trade" here, right? How violent could it be?

/ idiotmode off

38 Don  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:21:30pm

Another film and director to be ignored by Hollywood, the left and the appeasers.

Keep shining the light, it's a great disinfectant.

39 ciaospirit  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:21:37pm

re: #18 Oh no...Sand People!

It never ceases to amaze me. I have seen films with questionable amounts of Hollywood gore and it is just that...Hollywood. True violence/evil hits you full on in the stomache and it is tough to shake it.

I'm having a tough time shaking it.

40 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:21:41pm

I didn't find the film to be very shocking, except for the beheading. I chalk that up, however, to the fact that I'm well aware of islam's teachings. For those who are not- this will most likely be a very shocking film, and one in which I hope will spur the viewers into researching more on islam for themselves- much like the film Submission Part I did for me.

I also found it a bit Euro-centric, but that's to be expected I suppose, since it was made by a European. It certainly doesn't change the fact that the film accurately depicts what the koran teaches, just my opinion that the film might be a bit different had it been made by an American or Israeli.

Well done, Mr. Wilders, and I hope this film wakes many.

41 Fo knee ix  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:21:50pm

I hope Glenn Beck plays this on his show (he said he would, although the CNN suits might not be too thrilled with the idea). I also hope the heads of all Islam apologists explode in a 5 mile radius around wherever this video is played.

42 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:22:07pm

Hey Ibrahim Hooper or Nihad Awad, hope you are lurking on this thread and actually take the time to watch the film...you all might learn something.

43 MadHamster  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:22:14pm

When the presidential debates roll around ...this film should be used as the GOP counterpoint to everything the democratic nominee says. McCain doesn't even have to show up. Just roll the film. Think of it as a lot of 15 minute rebuttals. It'll say more than McCain ever could. It would be Game. Set. Match.

44 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:22:14pm

re: #36 LSD
I would be honored to be his second on the field of honor. However, islamists have no honor.

45 Ma Sands  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:22:16pm

re: #32 Londonpride

....And, better yet, used the action to make the point that it is the Islamists who must turn away from the Koran and all it represents....

46 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:22:21pm

re: #17 coquimbojoe

Oh, I can feel the seethgasm starting!

They've already sentenced him to death, so it's not like he has anything to lose...

47 ethanxxx  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:22:28pm

re: #14 Yogurt

After seeing all those dismembered bodies... it's more like the "Religion of Pieces."

48 Sifty  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:22:33pm

Thanks Geert, for flushing the wild boars out of the thickets.

Every time something like this comes out a few more jihadis will lose their cool, allow their masks to slip, and be marked on a board somewhere.

Sometimes I wonder if there are enough Rangers in the world to squash this menace.

49 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:22:49pm

re: #42 Oh no...Sand People!

Hey Ibrahim Hooper or Nihad Awad, hope you are lurking on this thread and actually take the time to watch the film...you all might learn something.

oh they know all about Islam, they would just rather we didnt.....

50 loppyd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:22:54pm

re: #33 ciaospirit

Shame on us according to Obama. I heard that clip. Some logic, huh?

It's not going to work.

Did you happen to see any footage of his latest rally? It lacked the unbridled enthusiam and fainting women in the crowd. And he looked grim.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA.

Whose chickens are coming home to roost now?

51 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:23:14pm

re: #22 jamgarr

Harpe Diem (Seethe the Day)

Harpo Diem - shut up and stop honking your horn.

52 rappmandu  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:23:23pm

Is this the official Fitna site?

53 ciaospirit  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:23:50pm

re: #50 loppyd

It's not going to work.

Did you happen to see any footage of his latest rally? It lacked the unbridled enthusiam and fainting women in the crowd. And he looked grim.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA.

Whose chickens are coming home to roost now?

I heard it looked like the people were having their mug shots taken. hahaha

54 Paul  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:23:51pm

Let the riots and looting begin.

55 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:23:53pm

I was away for a bit. Has anyone died as a result of mass seething yet?

It's already Friday somewhere, so I'll assume riots have broken out.

56 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:23:55pm

re: #45 Ma Sands

Exactly

57 Tarkus289  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:24:01pm

There are enough Rangers to do it, they just need BOTH hands.

58 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:24:09pm

Also- prayers for the safety of Mr. Wilders.

59 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:24:09pm

re: #38 Don

Another film and director to be ignored by Hollywood, the left and the appeasers.

Keep shining the light, it's a great disinfectant.

Insecticide, too.

60 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:24:15pm

re: #46 JamesTKirk

They've already sentenced him to death, so it's not like he has anything to lose...

They have sentenced all of us to death, so yeah, we all have nothing to lose.

I will never pay the Dhimmi Tax. I will never be subjugated. I will never submit.

61 Sifty  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:24:16pm

re: #42 Oh no...Sand People!

Hey Ibrahim Hooper or Nihad Awad, hope you are lurking on this thread and actually take the time to watch the film...you all might learn something.

Unfortunately, this film is pr0n to them.

62 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:24:40pm

re: #51 JamesTKirk

Harpo Diem - shut up and stop honking your horn.


You don't like it I suggest you scroll.

63 ciaospirit  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:24:50pm

I wish I had one tenth of Wilders' courage.

64 mean Gene  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:25:18pm

I'm so glad it is out there, and so many fine bloggers are linking to it.
I just saw it a few minutes ago and one thing strikes me most: Islam is (collectively) mad at Geert for putting together the words of the koran with the spoken words of their own leaders in agreement with the koran.
If this is the sort of thing that Islam wants ended they really are a dangerous and wicked group.
All they want is our various countries' right to gather together in their mosques and plot to kill and enslave all of us without any repercussions or attention put on tham.
And what really gets me is how many countries on earth are willing to play along with them in this!
Yipes!

65 WrathofG-d  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:25:19pm

These facts = Islamophobia!

66 Ma Sands  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:25:21pm

re: #39 ciaospirit

My son told me a bit earlier today, when I put the link in his i.m. window at his work, that when he saw the decapitation of Nick Berg when it first happened, he could barely sleep for a week.....

67 x-ray  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:25:26pm

Hope you all got your stock buy orders in already for the Dutch flag making company.

68 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:25:33pm

re: #23 Ma Sands

He didn't tear a page of it out, either --made sure we knew it was a phone book page.....

I found that very well done, and example of how well he worked with what he did, and didn't, show. He faded to black and didn't show the actual beheading (although the screams without the video were bad enough) but then, since you thought you weren't going to see it, the shock was even more gut-wrenching when the video came back with the head. Likewise the multiple shots of the planes flying at the WTC, but only the last shot actually showed the impact. This was all footage that most of us have seen before, but he managed to keep it shocking (as it should be!)

69 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:25:34pm

re: #61 Sifty

Unfortunately, this film is pr0n to them.

BWAAAHAAAHAAA!

70 Tarkus289  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:25:40pm

Sifty is probably right, this is what they do, they are proud of it.

71 non-croyant  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:25:48pm

Be sure to leave comments: [Link: www.themoviefitna.com...]

72 loppyd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:25:52pm

re: #53 ciaospirit

I heard it looked like the people were having their mug shots taken. hahaha

You listened to Rush today! I knew exactly what he was talking about because I saw the clip this morning and laughed to myself.

73 Ben Hur  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:26:14pm

re: #63 ciaospirit

I wish I had one tenth of Wilders' courage.

I wish I had his HAIR!

Cicci!

A porte!

74 roberth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:26:35pm

It is important to shove our values in Islam's face each and every chance we get. Wilders has done a great job.

75 CheDub  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:26:56pm

Not a bad film. Definitely think the masses should see it. But, not really that different from Obsession or any of Walid Shoebat's presentations. No desecration of the Koran. Everyone was getting spun up for this?

76 Sifty  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:27:02pm

Geert has better hair than John Edwards, and a clue.

77 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:27:25pm

I hope Mr. Wilders has some serious as a heart attack security people. He just jumped to No.1 on the jihadi hit list.

78 loppyd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:27:29pm

re: #76 Sifty

Geert has better hair than John Edwards, and a clue.

Silky Pony will never forgive you for that.

79 ciaospirit  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:27:32pm

I'm asking that a legion of angels be dispatched to surround him.

80 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:27:35pm

re: #38 Don

Another film and director to be ignored by Hollywood, the left and the appeasers.

Keep shining the light, it's a great disinfectant.

I saved a copy on my HD, just in case anything happens to LiveLeak. (I often save embedded videos, especially since they disappear from YouTube so often.) Now I just need to get another copy of Submission, since I lost the one I had.

81 conservgirl  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:27:53pm

re: #40 Sharmuta

I can't see the video on my company laptop, but I can on my husband's will have to check it out when he gets home. I remember reading an article about Theo Van Gogh in the Weekly Standard not too long ago. It basically said a lot of the members of parliment that have even deigned to speak out against the violence and Van Gogh's death had to hire bodyguards in Holland, Amsterdam specifically. They said that Amsterdam in some areas are dangerous to westerners, kind of like London. This is so crazy to me that they allowed these extremist in their country with liberal immigration policies. Now the natives are afraid in their own country. So nuts.

82 Fo knee ix  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:28:04pm

re: #61 Sifty

Exactly. I wonder if some jihados in Pakistan see this and are like, "yea that's exactly what we were thinking, and doing, already." Although, the mo-bomb cartoon in the film might elicit another round of apoplexy from the barbarians.

83 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:28:09pm

re: #77 pingjockey

I hope Mr. Wilders has some serious as a heart attack security people. He just jumped to No.1 on the jihadi hit list.


re: #77 pingjockey

I hope Mr. Wilders has some serious as a heart attack security people. He just jumped to No.1 on the jihadi hit list.


what could anyone have to fear from the religion of peace?

/ MSM off

84 Sol Roth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:28:14pm

Sad that remedial films like this have to be made so late in the game.

You can send the bouqet to the Left for that.

85 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:28:21pm
86 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:28:33pm

more people have already viewed this film than all the POS anti-war films hollywood has put out combined.

87 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:28:40pm

re: #75 CheDub
You ain't seen spun up yet. The seething over the cartoons will be as nothing to the islamist uproar over this.

88 WrathofG-d  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:28:48pm

See...what you don't understand is that "we" deserve this....see not especially those that were killed, and especially not ME, but although I consider myself a proud American, it is Americans that deserve what they...er, I mean..."we" are getting....I just hope it doesn't happen to me but if it does it is the Republicans and GWB's fault.

/LLL

89 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:28:53pm

re: #40 Sharmuta

I also found it a bit Euro-centric, but that's to be expected I suppose, since it was made by a European.

The primary intended audience was also European (particularly, but not limited to, the Dutch).

90 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:28:56pm

Just watched it.

Short, powerful and to the point.

Everyone here who has a website or blog should link to this film.

91 alegrias  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:29:25pm

re: #40 Sharmuta

I didn't find the film to be very shocking, except for the beheading. I chalk that up, however, to the fact that I'm well aware of islam's teachings. For those who are not- this will most likely be a very shocking film, and one in which I hope will spur the viewers into researching more on islam for themselves- much like the film Submission Part I did for me.

I also found it a bit Euro-centric, but that's to be expected I suppose, since it was made by a European. It certainly doesn't change the fact that the film accurately depicts what the koran teaches, just my opinion that the film might be a bit different had it been made by an American or Israeli.

Well done, Mr. Wilders, and I hope this film wakes many.

* * *
Thank you, Dutch Geert Wilders.

The rest of us should vow to protect your right to free speech come jihadists or high water.

92 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:29:26pm

This is an excellent film.
Predictable comments from German Mohammedans: 'its disturbing the peace ...' ; 'if you take quotes from the Bible and show pictures from Norther Ireland and the KKK it would be the same ...'
And yep - the quotes from that book were taken out of context!

On a more flippant note - when that Ahma-chappie from Iran said Islam would conquer the mountains, ahem, anybody know a Mohameddan mountaineer?
Thought not ...

93 rappmandu  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:29:27pm

re: #71 non-croyant

Is that the official movie site?

94 EC Marm  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:29:29pm

re: #50 loppyd


Whose chickens are coming home to roost now?


I wish that phrase would go away. It was originally used after President Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas. Malcom X then used it and added, “Chickens coming home to roost never made me sad. It only made me glad.”
I wonder what tiny percentage of Americans realize that?

One of the most vile comments ever uttered was repeated by a candidate for Presidents' own 'spiritual adviser" and paster.

95 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:29:30pm

re: #43 MadHamster

When the presidential debates roll around ...this film should be used as the GOP counterpoint to everything the democratic nominee says. McCain doesn't even have to show up. Just roll the film. Think of it as a lot of 15 minute rebuttals. It'll say more than McCain ever could. It would be Game. Set. Match.

It'll also say more than McCain would.

96 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:29:57pm

re: #83 Londonpride
The msm will put some very lame spin on this.

97 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:29:59pm

Thanks Geert, for explaining the Koran --- in their words.

98 Ma Sands  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:30:03pm

re: #90 Ringo the Gringo

Well, I sent the link to all 7 of my children.....they can take it from there..... :)

99 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:30:09pm
100 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:30:21pm

re: #80 JamesTKirk

Here, Captain.

101 loppyd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:30:26pm

re: #94 EC Marm

Point taken.

102 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:30:37pm
103 bitsy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:30:44pm

Bravo Geert!

May there be a 100,000 more films like it from anti-jihadists everywhere.

104 ciaospirit  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:31:28pm

re: #66 Ma Sands

My son told me a bit earlier today, when I put the link in his i.m. window at his work, that when he saw the decapitation of Nick Berg when it first happened, he could barely sleep for a week.....

I know how he feels. Never gonna leave me.

105 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:31:32pm
106 doublespeaknoevil  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:31:38pm

Such a terrible, awful evil.

Just before Christmas my husband and I were watching a movie that showed the Twin Towers magnificent and beautiful against the sky. We both burst into tears.

107 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:31:42pm

re: #102 song_and_dance_man

Racism and intolerance.

Yep, but its all coming from Islam.......

108 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:31:42pm

re: #62 jamgarr

re: #51 JamesTKirk
Harpo Diem - shut up and stop honking your horn.

You don't like it I suggest you scroll.

Not a Marxist, I take it. /

109 Sifty  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:31:46pm

Special Forces operatives should begin appearing in public all over the world dressed as Geert and see how many crazy muz pricks they can pick off as they attack.

It's like marketing for psychos. They can't help themselves once that kooky kill-the-infidel-fever strikes.

Fatwa Fever....Catch it!

110 ciaospirit  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:32:30pm

re: #90 Ringo the Gringo

Just watched it.

Short, powerful and to the point.

Everyone here who has a website or blog should link to this film.

Done.

111 WrathofG-d  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:33:00pm

OK NEWBIES AND LURKERS...PAY ATTENTION:

Islam: What The West Needs To Know

Obession

MEMRI

112 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:33:06pm
113 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:33:10pm

re: #106 doublespeaknoevil

Such a terrible, awful evil.

Just before Christmas my husband and I were watching a movie that showed the Twin Towers magnificent and beautiful against the sky. We both burst into tears.

We've had the same experience.

114 ciaospirit  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:33:14pm

re: #109 Sifty

Special Forces operatives should begin appearing in public all over the world dressed as Geert and see how many crazy muz pricks they can pick off as they attack.

It's like marketing for psychos. They can't help themselves once that kooky kill-the-infidel-fever strikes.

Fatwa Fever....Catch it!

Ha! That's great!

115 Tarkus289  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:33:17pm

re: #106 doublespeaknoevil

Happens every time I see the also, except in my and other's avatars.

116 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:33:22pm

re: #75 CheDub

Not a bad film. Definitely think the masses should see it. But, not really that different from Obsession or any of Walid Shoebat's presentations. No desecration of the Koran. Everyone was getting spun up for this?

If he had desecrated the Koran, it would have given ammunition for the apologists who want to discredit him. This was far more effective.

117 conservgirl  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:33:41pm

re: #78 loppyd

loppyd, My boss left me yesterday, he rode with me a couple of days. On Tuesday we were debating a clinical point and I got agitated and drove off with the gas nozzle in my gas tank. What an awful mess, then I backed over the handle and clicked on the gas pump again and it was like a waterfall of gas just guzzling out of the pump. I was paralyzed by horror and laughter while my boss was running around freaked out. We finally clicked it off and the attendent came out and she was pissed. Don't blame her. Then my boss made me put the car in neutral and we pushed it out of the gas lake that I created.

He was pretty cool about it, can't believe I did that. I know it is off topic but I wanted to give you a good laugh.

118 justamomof4  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:33:49pm
Most people don’t realize it, but reaching a global audience on the Internet is quite expensive. If you reach millions of people, you also have many millions of page hits and as a result many terabytes of bandwidth to buy from you're hosting company.

That's might not be something Wilders has realized when he made his initial plans for Fitna. He was after all planning a small film for a Dutch audience to be broad casted on Dutch national television. But after the Dutch government called for a ban and no Dutch broadcaster wanted to broadcast it, he decided to go the internet way. And as it now has become a global hype with a global audience, this means he now needs money to pay for the global distribution. The film, he today repeated in the media, will be released before the 1st of April and asks on his website [Link: [Link: www.geertwilders.nl...]...] for donations:


To our international friends:
Please support our struggle. The battle for the survival of freedom is not something we can do all by ourselves. Party for Freedom (PVV) is the only political party in Dutch Parliament that refuses government subsidy. Therefore, we are dependent on your support. We need your help urgently, as costs are mounting. Freedom isn’t free.
You can use the Paypal application under “DONEER” of you can make a contribution to:

Stichting Vrienden van de PVV (Foundation Friends of PVV), in The Hague, the Netherlands.
Bank account 67.04.72.344
IBAN: NL98 INGB 0670 4723 44 - BIC: INGBNL2A


It’s hard to say how much money he needs for the distribution for his film. It all depends on how many people are going to view it and how the Film will be distributed. But even if it’s possible to release Fitna with the help of video providers like Youtube or Liveleak, it will still cost quite some money only to have a website announcing it. After the release many millions will directly want to visit the website and thus the website needs expensive dedicated and high-performance hardware to serve those many millions of people. This will not come cheap.

If Geert Wilders doesn’t decide against advertisements on the Fitna website, he has however a good opportunity to cover a part of the cost. Adding some Adsense advertisements and/or Amazon affiliate advertisements is quite easy and will at least earn him thousand dollars per million visitors.

Cost will however rise astronomically if Fitna can’t be distributed with the help of video services like Youtube or Liveleak. To show a video stream of 15 minutes to millions of people will result in many hundreds of terabytes of traffic. Bumping Fitna’s release cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Let’s make sure Fitna will get released and be easily accessible to everybody. Please do a small donation in support of freedom of speech


In case video taken down . . .FITNA also available here:

or download here:

Torrent: [Link: www.mininova.org...]

RapidShare (English):

119 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:33:53pm

re: #89 JamesTKirk

And I understand that- I think it is more than needed over there. I don't fault Mr. Wilders for it, it was just an observation as an American.

120 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:34:20pm

re: #85 song_and_dance_man

This movie is like a truth stick in the eye of Islam.

Or better yet, it is like showing Mohammed's dirty underwear.

Ew.

121 samsgran1948  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:34:29pm

I hope Geert Wilders has found himself a really, really deep hole to hide in for a while.

I quit watching when it started to show Nick Berg being beheaded. I would have puked all over my keyboard.

It's such a shame that the people who really need to watch "Fitna" wil avoid it like the plague becuase it is so "Islamophobic".

Mr. Wilders: You are one brave man.

122 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:34:36pm

re: #108 JamesTKirk

Not a Marxist, I take it. /


I took your post as an insult. Was I wrong?

123 ethanxxx  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:34:40pm

Mr. Wilder has taken all those images and quotes from the Koran "Out of Context". How can you people not see that?

124 Tarkus289  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:34:51pm

re: #115 Tarkus289

Them
pimf

125 CheDub  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:35:05pm

re: #116 JamesTKirk

I agree. Just pointing out how everything the MSM was stating to make the film appear to be the work of a hate-monger were complete exaggerations.

126 PatFromGermany  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:35:20pm

I have one word for Geert Wilders: HERO

Nothing that we - aware of the evils of Islam - didn't know already, but this is a very well staged attempt to carry the topic into the MSM for good.

And you gotta understand, dear Americans - I'm quoting Robert Spencer here: "Europe is in dire straits"

127 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:35:31pm

re: #113 debutaunt
It is terrible. We were going through my stacks and stacks of pics I had taken while in the Navy. There were tow rolls from 1986. The rededication of the statue of liberty. I have a pic of the statue with the towers in the back. Like to tore my heart out.

128 Thanos  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:35:35pm

Cheers to Geert:

This was well done, factual, and challenging. That most lizards have seen most of this before is beside the point.

The thing that is best about Fitna is all of the controversy raised and the skillfull run-up to the fllm's actuall release There is so much buzz about this that many people who had no clue will now pay attention.

The challenge at the end is also very clear and unequivocable.

129 alegrias  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:35:35pm

re: #95 JamesTKirk

It'll also say more than McCain would.

* * *
McCain-Geert Wilders 2008!

130 x-ray  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:35:36pm

re: #109 Sifty

Special Forces operatives should begin appearing in public all over the world dressed as Geert and see how many crazy muz pricks they can pick off as they attack.

It's like marketing for psychos. They can't help themselves once that kooky kill-the-infidel-fever strikes.

Fatwa Fever....Catch it!

This is a great I am Sparticus idea all we need are a million Geert wigs to drive the mohamidans nuts.

131 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:35:54pm

re: #123 ethanxxx

Mr. Wilder has taken all those images and quotes from the Koran "Out of Context". How can you people not see that?

We're not muslims.

132 loppyd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:36:00pm

re: #117 conservgirl

LOL. From one spaz to antother that is beautiful!

133 Def Comedy Jihad  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:36:03pm

I predict a lot of "The Koran passages taken out of context, and there were no counter passages to balance it out" excuses.

134 OnTheRightSide  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:36:34pm

Effective little film. He doesn't have to say a word, just show what is written and actual images and video.

135 bitsy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:36:35pm

"The sound you heard was a page being torn out of the phone book."

Heh.

136 ciaospirit  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:36:47pm

re: #121 samsgran1948

I quit watching when it started to show Nick Berg being beheaded. I would have puked all over my keyboard.

Not Berg. It's Eugene Anderson. Lots of folks made that mistake.

137 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:37:15pm

re: #102 song_and_dance_man

Racism and intolerance.

from the comment section

That was the most ridiculous piece of hate filled
trash I have ever witnessed. I can refute most of
those facts and as a muslim refuse to even think
of creating a hate filled response by pointing out
verses in the bible and current US propaganda,
demonization and senseless killing by the millions
that is being perpetrated worldwide in the name of
zionist extremist christianity. How's that for a
reality check? The Quran states to respect the
Bible as you do the Quran. That book demands
respect for your book.
Posted 2 hours ago by "r3a1ist" (R) United States

138 bullrat  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:37:21pm

Oh, to have leaders in the rest of the western world that are willing to open their eyes like Geert Wilders. Why do they willingly choose to be so blind?

139 loppyd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:37:24pm

Time to hit the road.

Keep on fighting the good fight, Lizard Nation.

140 conservgirl  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:37:41pm

re: #132 loppyd

Thought you would appreciate it, sorry to deviate from the thread.

141 ethanxxx  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:38:14pm

re: #131 Sharmuta

Good answer... still laughing

142 judith  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:38:31pm

I see little to disagree with. But then I am a Jew.

143 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:38:35pm

re: #122 jamgarr
Harpo Marx

144 alegrias  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:38:37pm

re: #121 samsgran1948

I hope Geert Wilders has found himself a really, really deep hole to hide in for a while.

I quit watching when it started to show Nick Berg being beheaded. I would have puked all over my keyboard.

It's such a shame that the people who really need to watch "Fitna" wil avoid it like the plague becuase it is so "Islamophobic".

Mr. Wilders: You are one brave man.

* * *
Geert Wilders should join McCain's NO SURRENDER tour & do townhall meetings across the USA.

145 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:39:00pm

re: #123 ethanxxx

Mr. Wilder has taken all those images and quotes from the Koran "Out of Context". How can you people not see that?

WTF? Do you like Islam? Think it's a religion of peace?

146 WrathofG-d  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:39:19pm

I wonder how the apologists and their ilk would defend and excuse this.

147 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:39:34pm

re: #122 jamgarr

I took your post as an insult. Was I wrong?

Yes. If you get to know me, you'll see that it's easy to tell when I'm being insulting. As a general rule, however, it's safe to assume I'm just being a smart ass. I like the Marx Brothers and couldn't resist tossing in the references.

148 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:39:40pm

re: #145 MandyManners
I think(hope)someone forgot the sarcasm tags.

149 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:39:50pm

re: #145 MandyManners

WTF? Do you like Islam? Think it's a religion of peace?

I thought (and hope) he was being sarcastic

150 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:39:51pm

re: #143 pingjockey

Harpo Marx

Yeah, I know who he was referring to. I just don't know whether it was meant as an insult. I expect he'll tell me when he gets a chance. No big deal.

151 hayseed  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:39:52pm

re: #145 MandyManners

i think he was kidding?

152 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:39:57pm

re: #123 ethanxxx

Mr. Wilder has taken all those images and quotes from the Koran "Out of Context". How can you people not see that?

We're reading the same Koran right?

153 WrathofG-d  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:40:24pm

How to fight this?

Fight and have lots of Children!

154 ethanxxx  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:40:31pm

Somebody needs to get a camera on "Rage Boy"... I bet he's climbing the F**king walls about now.

155 jamgarr  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:40:34pm

re: #147 JamesTKirk

Yes. If you get to know me, you'll see that it's easy to tell when I'm being insulting. As a general rule, however, it's safe to assume I'm just being a smart ass. I like the Marx Brothers and couldn't resist tossing in the references.


Then, a thousand pardons sir.

156 Maine's Michael  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:40:50pm

If Geert doesn't watch it, he will find himself up against the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

157 CheDub  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:40:57pm

re: #145 MandyManners

I think ethan maybe forgot the sarc line? Deep breath Ms Manners :)

158 alegrias  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:41:01pm

re: #127 pingjockey

It is terrible. We were going through my stacks and stacks of pics I had taken while in the Navy. There were tow rolls from 1986. The rededication of the statue of liberty. I have a pic of the statue with the towers in the back. Like to tore my heart out.

* * *
Ditto. I flew back from Europe into New York in 1986 right before the Iacocca-run Fourth of July and loved seeing that Statue of Liberty looking so good.

159 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:41:25pm

I hope it was sarcasm. Maybe I should give the benefit of the doubt.

160 Fellay Timi  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:41:25pm

The BBC already have their pre-prepared hatchet job of Mr Wilders online

He's a little bit crazy because he's giving the impression to some people that he's going to combat Islam... He's a kind of Don Quixote, fighting against things and presenting goals which will never happen.

161 desertdweller  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:41:33pm

Geert might have just written the most honest Islamofascist recruiting movie of all time. /sarc

How or why would the Imams complain about this film, being how it speaks so truthfully about their cult faith.

I guess we'll know for sure after the prayer sermons are over.

162 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:41:51pm

re: #156 Maine's Michael
That is why they said the page was ripped from a phone book and not the koran. Hate crime doncha know.

163 ROP?LOL  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:41:56pm

re: #129 alegrias

* * *

McCain- Michael Savage-Geert Wilders 2008!

164 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:42:17pm

re: #159 MandyManners

Based on his laughing at my joke- I'm fairly sure it was sarcasm.

165 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:42:44pm
166 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:43:06pm

re: #137 bulwrk

...The Quran states to respect the Bible as you do the Quran...

Try carrying a Bible into Saudi Arabia or Iran. Next?

167 ethanxxx  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:43:09pm

re: #145 MandyManners

Uh... NO! It was a joke. If I stated my true feelings on the religion of Hysterical Self Righteous Carpet Chewing Book-Burning Muppet's with S**t for Brains... they would lock me up.

168 jtlevitsky  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:43:44pm

Very good documentary. The only people who should riot are the moderate Muslims that disagree with the fundamentalists. The fundamentalists should use the film in their training - after all they are proud of the terror that they generate.

169 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:43:46pm

re: #165 song_and_dance_man

liveleak comment section.

170 ainchreidmheach, like  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:43:49pm

Dutch version is on Youtube

171 ROP?LOL  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:44:00pm

re: #146 WrathofG-d

I wonder how the apologists and their ilk would defend and excuse this.


re: #123 ethanxxx

Mr. Wilder has taken all those images and quotes from the Koran "Out of Context". How can you people not see that?


Just like that. See, it's not hard.

172 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:44:19pm

re: #150 jamgarr

Yeah, I know who he was referring to. I just don't know whether it was meant as an insult. I expect he'll tell me when he gets a chance. No big deal.

I appreciate the fact that you asked, BTW.

173 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:44:19pm

re: #160 Fellay Timi

The BBC already have their pre-prepared hatchet job of Mr Wilders online


re: #160 Fellay Timi

The BBC already have their pre-prepared hatchet job of Mr Wilders online

I was amazed to see the BBC say things like "radical Islamist"

Surely they meant human rights activist?

174 vxbush  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:44:25pm

re: #167 ethanxxx

Uh... NO! It was a joke. If I stated my true feelings on the religion of Hysterical Self Righteous Carpet Chewing Book-Burning Muppet's with S**t for Brains... they would lock me up.

Rotating title nomination!

175 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:44:33pm

re: #158 alegrias
Yep, got to be in the Int'l Naval Review. Went back 2 years later to the old brooklyn navy yard for ship repair. We had a sailor re-up in the Statue, Way too cool for words. We all got a standing O from the tourists. God Bless RWR.

176 Bubbaman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:44:46pm

We're gonna fill this thread quickly...

Since LiveLeak release FITNA, they've had to post this:

Welcome, and thank you for visiting LiveLeak.com. Due to an increase in traffic and targetted hacking attacks, we have had to disable certain features. We hope you enjoy all that we have available at this time and we further hope that you will visit us again to explore the full range of features and interactivity that LiveLeak has to offer. If this is your first visit to LiveLeak.com we apologise for the fact your first impression of the site will be limited, check back in with us soon and you can join one of the most unique media sharing sites on the net offering everything from uncensored news through to entertainment. Thank you for your patience.

177 alegrias  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:44:49pm

re: #153 WrathofG-d

How to fight this?

Fight and have lots of Children!

* * *
Think of England! (Queen Victoria)
England expects everyone to do their duty. (Churchill)
Fight in Helmand Province (Go, bonnie Prince Harry)

178 SuchAnInfidel  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:45:00pm

Sadly, many islamists will stream from hate filled mosques after Friday prayers and confirm many points of this film.

179 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:45:07pm

re: #137 bulwrk

from the comment section

That was the most ridiculous piece of hate filled
trash I have ever witnessed. I can refute most of
those facts and as a muslim refuse to even think
of creating a hate filled response by pointing out
verses in the bible and current US propaganda,
demonization and senseless killing by the millions
that is being perpetrated worldwide in the name of
zionist extremist christianity. How's that for a
reality check? The Quran states to respect the
Bible as you do the Quran. That book demands
respect for your book.
Posted 2 hours ago by "r3a1ist" (R) United States

Looks like Muslims have got on an international posting spree, all singing from the same songsheet - that was pretty much what I saw on a gemran website (not that I live there ...)

180 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:45:15pm

Islam's Greatest Hits

2001 - 2006

Order yours today!

181 BBEV  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:45:16pm

What time today did this come out?

182 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:45:34pm

re: #127 pingjockey

It is terrible. We were going through my stacks and stacks of pics I had taken while in the Navy. There were tow rolls from 1986. The rededication of the statue of liberty. I have a pic of the statue with the towers in the back. Like to tore my heart out.

Ten years ago there was a tv show called Sports Night. We rented on dvd and were stunned by the nighttime view of the skyline with the WTC. It's hard not pausing it for a long time.

183 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:45:36pm

re: #167 ethanxxx

Uh... NO! It was a joke. If I stated my true feelings on the religion of Hysterical Self Righteous Carpet Chewing Book-Burning Muppet's with S**t for Brains... they would lock me up.

Dont let us stop you :-)

184 WrathofG-d  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:45:46pm

re: #171 ROP?LOL

And the actual speeches?

Also out of context?
(is there some context where "we will destroy Democracy and Western Civilization and replace it with Islam" is appropriate?)

185 kansas  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:45:59pm

re: #123 ethanxxx

Mr. Wilder has taken all those images and quotes from the Koran "Out of Context". How can you people not see that?

All of them? That's hard to believe. I think Islam has just been "Swiftboated".

186 ciaospirit  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:46:10pm

re: #146 WrathofG-d

I wonder how the apologists and their ilk would defend and excuse this.

They'll quote all the nice verses in the Koran. Which would be nice if they didn't believe all the violent ones as well. They need to denounce parts of the Koran, and since they're forbidden to do that, they're stuck in barbarity land forever.

They have to walk away from Islam if they want out.

187 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:46:15pm

If Wilder's film is out on the web, it can never be called back, right?

188 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:46:21pm

re: #163 ROP?LOL

McCain- Michael Savage-Geert Wilders 2008!

A. B. C/M/O!

189 coquimbojoe  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:46:23pm

re: #76 Sifty

Geert has better hair than John Edwards, and a clue.

And far bigger brass ones. I can't imagine that nancy-boy edwards doing anything as brave as Fitna.

190 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:46:54pm

re: #170 ainchreidmheach, like

Dutch version is on Youtube

Probably not for long, if I know YouTube...

191 Bubbaman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:46:59pm

And now that everyone has finished watching FITNA, I urge you to see this video which will "close the loop".

192 alegrias  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:46:59pm

re: #163 ROP?LOL

* * *
Don't know what Mr. Savage looks like, but if Geert Wilders ran on the balding combovered McCain ticket, they could say they had better hair than the other two--remember Kerry & Edwards bragging about their hair?

193 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:47:00pm

re: #134 OnTheRightSide

Effective little film. He doesn't have to say a word, just show what is written and actual images and video.

I was quite impressed by the music credits at the end.

194 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:47:02pm

Mohammed's Highlight Reel

Great moments in the battle against the infidel!

Get yours today !

195 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:47:16pm
196 Old Buick Tanker  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:47:18pm

700,000+ views in under an hour.

That's gotta be some sort of record.

197 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:47:23pm

re: #181 BBEV

"ROPMA" posted it at 11:20 PDT- at that time it had 46 views at LiveLeak.

198 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:47:26pm

re: #167 ethanxxx

Uh... NO! It was a joke. If I stated my true feelings on the religion of Hysterical Self Righteous Carpet Chewing Book-Burning Muppet's with S**t for Brains... they would lock me up.

Okay.

199 EC Marm  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:47:33pm

Nine copies of Fitna (broken into pts 1 & 2) on YouTube so far. Most are copies from LiveLeak.
Spread the word, but be prepared to lose your YouTube account in the process.

200 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:47:36pm

re: #178 SuchAnInfidel

Sadly, many islamists will stream from hate filled mosques after Friday prayers and confirm many points of this film.

Let them - the more the sleeping public see the better

201 ethanxxx  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:47:36pm

Wow... this is a tough thread to keep up with. I really thought that my "Out of Context" line would be taken as intended. My bad... Drinks on me. Won't happen again...

202 MadHamster  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:47:41pm

What's the matter with you people? Can't you see they simply took Nick Berg's head out of context?

203 Michael_K  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:48:09pm

Perfect! Just in time for Rage Friday. I wonder how many "Asians" will be burning cars in Paris/Amsterdam/ tonight...

204 Thanos  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:48:11pm

This comedic precursor pretty much says the same thing that Geert is trying to get across - it's been out for quite a while, and even Youtube carries it.

No graphic images, but -- it's essentially saying the same thing minus the important challenge to Muslims at the end, and the faked ripping of a page of the Koran.

So the controversy is not in what Geert says, it's in the challenge.

205 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:48:14pm

re: #182 debutaunt
If I had my way, every night while they play the national anthem before sign off time the'd show the Towers.

206 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:48:28pm

re: #185 kansas

re: #123 ethanxxx

Mr. Wilder has taken all those images and quotes from the Koran "Out of Context". How can you people not see that?

All of them? That's hard to believe. I think Islam has just been "Swiftboated".

Swiftcameled.

207 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:48:30pm

re: #178 SuchAnInfidel

Sadly, many islamists will stream from hate filled mosques after Friday prayers and confirm many points of this film.

"We are not [grabs innocent bystander and hacks off head *ACK*] a religion of VIOLENCE! Behead those who insult ISLAM!"

AP is ringing up RageBoyTM right now to get a photo op.

208 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:48:33pm

I'm not sure there's any new information in the film, but certainly the buzz around it is good -- anything that draws attention to the spread of radical Islam is good.

I like the style of the film. Wilders has insulated himself from much criticism -- not that it'll matter -- by using so much 'found' footage. Tough to argue with the power of a photo in which a woman holds a 'God Bless Hitler' sign or the horror of what happened to van Gogh. The evidence is the conviction.

So bravo to Wilders. I hope the people of the Netherlands -- and everywhere -- take to heart what he has said here.

Charles, I do have to say I flatly disagree with the notion that footage has been "hidden away by the mainstream media." People on the left say exactly the same thing, except they say it's a conspiracy to keep Americans everywhere from realizing America's weakness in the world. The truth is more pedestrian than either theory: The footage is simply graphic, far too graphic for general consumption on television or the front page of the paper, news outlets that are generally geared to 'family' viewing, for the most part. The reality is that this footage is easily accessible for anyone who wants it, but no, it's not going to make a regular appearance on the six o'clock news.

209 Sifty  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:48:46pm

butbutbutbutbutbut the VAST MAJORITY AREN'T EVIL...

My response on the islamophobia attack from liberals and other empty-heads:

muslim population:

Large minority= psycho jihadi's with the potential (but no opportunity) to kill

Tiny minority= active jihad killers

Even tinier minority= on the side of the 21st century and freedom for all- INCLUDING HAVING THE BALLS TO SPEAK UP ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC-

Vast majority= don't give a shit one way or the other as long as the muslim side is winning and they get to cheer from the sidelines safely.

210 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:48:53pm

re: #201 ethanxxx

Just use a handy dandy sarc tag next time. :)

211 LionFromzion  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:48:57pm

A Masterpiece.....good work Geert!

212 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:49:04pm

re: #186 ciaospirit

They'll quote all the nice verses in the Koran. Which would be nice if they didn't believe all the violent ones as well.

The violent ones came after, and thus cancelled out, the nice ones.

213 Bubbaman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:49:04pm

Fitna is on BitTorrent:

Here

214 ROP?LOL  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:49:07pm

re: #188 JamesTKirk


Huh?

215 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:49:16pm

but but but -- the entire left-wing of the democrat party think that Bush and Cheney brought down the Twin Towers. they had so much to gain.
oil oil oil!

/left-wing a-hole

216 ciaospirit  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:49:23pm

re: #202 MadHamster

What's the matter with you people? Can't you see they simply took Nick Berg's head out of context?

That's not Berg. It's Anderson.

217 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:49:32pm

Gotta' go.

218 blackvalleybob  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:49:38pm

Out of context? What IS the context? If we hear the speeches of Himmler, Goebbels and Hitler--are their words "out of context"? If we read quotations from "Mein Kampf"--are these words out of context? What part of "behead," "slaughter," and "hate" do you not understand?

I hope that this film will help to wake up the "moderate" and "liberal" camps, of which I count myself a member (a lonely one on this issue, up to now, at least) to the dangers that threaten the freedoms of us all.

219 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:49:51pm

re: #186 ciaospirit

They'll quote all the nice verses in the Koran. Which would be nice if they didn't believe all the violent ones as well. They need to denounce parts of the Koran, and since they're forbidden to do that, they're stuck in barbarity land forever.

They have to walk away from Islam if they want out.

walk away and your an apostate and marked for death

Islam - the one way street.

You know a religion or political system is deeply flawed if it has to kill those who disagree (with) or leave it

220 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:49:55pm

What really enraged me was that little girl, who was asked what she knew about the Jews, and the way she answered - and she was wearing a hijab: a three year old toddler.
How can any mother allow this to happen to her baby?

221 Clutch  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:50:03pm

I sure hope Honda chose another name for this car in Europe otherwise we know which one is gonna be the car-b-que of choice!

222 anand  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:50:10pm

So Wilders releases a movie on Thursday showing Islam to be a violent religion.

Muslims riot after friday prayers to protest the depiction of islam as a violent religion.

Irony all around.

223 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:50:28pm

re: #187 Ojoe
It is gone ojoe, it is in the wind, the electronic ether and can never be recalled! The islamists and their pedophile prophet can't stop it.

224 alegrias  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:50:36pm

re: #175 pingjockey

Yep, got to be in the Int'l Naval Review. Went back 2 years later to the old brooklyn navy yard for ship repair. We had a sailor re-up in the Statue, Way too cool for words. We all got a standing O from the tourists. God Bless RWR.

* * *
Congrats & thank you for your service. You deserved standing Os!
My last view of the golden sunlit World Trade Center towers was from Hoboken in 1999. Never again. Never forget.

225 SpiritOf1683  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:51:21pm

I have just watched Fitna, and unless the free world takes decisive action and stops pandering to these savages, a barbaric dystopian future will await many of our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren 50, 100, or 150 years from now. And we will have been responsible for letting them down, not to mention letting down several generations of our ancestors, who fought for the freedoms we take for granted today, the freedoms we are gradually squandering with every passing day, and won't look too kindly upon us if we meet up with them in the afterlife, should this come to pass.

Anyone with more than a handful of brain cells should know that Islam is a religion of war, and its followers are devoted to toppling our civilization and reducing us and future generations to servitude in our own ancestral homes - in fact end all progress in our present day citadel of civilization. They've been trying to destroy us for over 1,300 years, and they won't stop anytime soon - indeed they believe we have at the most only 100 or so years left, and that drives them on. Our collective spinelessness and appeasement through our restraint-urging media, lawyers, tree-huggers and so-called leaders have helped to formulate the belief amongst Jihadis that we are nearing the end game and there for the taking.

The only reason why we survived the Jihad for so long is because we in the West produced people like Charles Martel, Pelayo, de la Valette, Jan Sobieski and the men and women who fought under them, who knew the consequences of failure and drove back the Jihadists, thereby preventing Sharia becoming the law of our lands. The inventions the West has produced over the last few centuries were only made possible by stopping and turning back the Jihad. And yet there are apologists out there who are enabling this end. Doesn't that picture of a three and a half year old who is already committed to hating Jews say everything about that cult? This is why there will never be peace, because the next generation of terrorists has already been born and is being nurtured for their murderous roles 15 or so years from now, and that will continue until they get their final victory, or unless we grow a spine and crush them once and for all. They are being mentally and physically equipped to take the places of those who are already out there murdering infidels, and whilst our own kids are playing with Playstations, they are playing with imitation AK47s and bomb belts and being taught that it is glorious to murder our Playstation generation, and that Paradise awaits those who succeed in blowing up our kith and kin. But we and our leaders refuse to see this. Brainwashed and crippled by 40 years of political correctness, we and our leaders are so ill-equipped and ill-informed for what is coming to us within the next 20 years or so. If we are to survive, then political correctness has to be ditched to give us a fighting chance, and criticism of Islam shouldn't be denounced any longer as hate speech by sappy politically-correct jobsworths. We are now into the third Great Jihad that is being waged against our civilization, and have been since 2001, and arguably since 1979. There certainly won't be a fourth.

226 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:51:35pm

re: #214 ROP?LOL

Huh?

"ABC" = "Anybody But Clinton".

The addition of "M" and "O" ought to be obvious.

227 Sifty  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:51:38pm

re: #156 Maine's Michael

Good thing they are all a bunch of sissy-boys then.

228 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:51:56pm

re: #203 Michael_K

Perfect! Just in time for Rage Friday. I wonder how many "Asians" will be burning cars in Paris/Amsterdam/ tonight...

oops - I should have thought of that - I'm in Paris next week......

229 DesertSage  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:52:03pm

I think the movie was pretty good, kind of like a condensed version of "Obsession".

230 BBEV  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:52:12pm

re: #197 Sharmuta

"ROPMA" posted it at 11:20 PDT- at that time it had 46 views at LiveLeak.

So it is night in the east. Morning is going to be hell over there.

231 MJ  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:52:16pm

Condi Rice will denounce the film in the next few days and apologize on behalf of the people of the USA.

232 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:52:24pm

The Religion of Peace: FREESTYLING !

Starring your favorite Imam's! Complete with infidel death scenes!

Order yours today!

All major credit cards accepted.

.

233 Tasty Beverage  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:53:15pm

re: #216 ciaospirit

That's not Berg. It's Anderson.

Armstrong

234 MadHamster  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:53:19pm

re: #216 ciaospirit

My mistake. Thank you for the clarification.

235 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:53:23pm

re: #224 alegrias
Exactly!

236 alegrias  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:53:42pm

re: #179 yma o hyd

Looks like Muslims have got on an international posting spree, all singing from the same songsheet - that was pretty much what I saw on a gemran website (not that I live there ...)

* * *
Vielen Dank--not surprising there is seething in Deutschland, considering Germany's huge problem with honor killings of women.
Germany's become a giant Witness Protection from Jihadists Program.

237 rappmandu  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:53:56pm

I liked him better in Silver Streak and Young Frankenstein.

/

238 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:54:29pm

I'll have to watch the movie tonight. I've watched some of the beheading videos before (like Nick Berg's), so maybe I'll be able to handle that part.

239 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:54:48pm

good work,fast,to the point.no bullshit.wilders has done a great sevice to those who will listen.unforunately there are those who will learn too late.(no amount of information will bring them around)

240 Ma Sands  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:55:02pm

re: #202 MadHamster

What's the matter with you people? Can't you see they simply took Nick Berg's head out of context?


That reminds me.....when I was a little girl I drew a picture of an Eskimo with full sub-zero gear on, then decided the head I'd drawn was too small in perspective to the rest of the body, so I drew a big "X" across the head, and next to it drew another head, and an arrow pointing to it with the word "instead" scrawled above the arrow..............my Dad loved it so much he taped it on the wall next to his desk at home, where it remained until he died, 40-some years later................I wonder if we both had latent Islamist tendencies.....


/

241 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:55:11pm

re: #220 yma o hyd

What really enraged me was that little girl, who was asked what she knew about the Jews, and the way she answered - and she was wearing a hijab: a three year old toddler.How can any mother allow this to happen to her baby?

Because its in the hadith's and they teach it in schools - they even found that in a textbook at an Islamic school here in UK

242 Bubbaman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:55:34pm

re: #231 MJ

Condi Rice will denounce the film in the next few days and apologize on behalf of the people of the USA.

You forgot to add that she will link the Palestinian-Israeli Pieces Making Deal in the whole thing.

243 Fellay Timi  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:55:46pm

re: #173 Londonpride

I was amazed to see the BBC say things like "radical Islamist"

Surely they meant human rights activist?

To me, when the BBC used the term "radical islamist", the only reason that they use it when describing the convicted murderer is that it kinda implies that the rest of them are not radical, and they pose no threat to anybody.

But then I am just naturally touchy when it comes to mindless and unnecessary violence in the name of religion :)

244 Maine's Michael  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:56:28pm

re: #231 MJ

Condi Rice will denounce the film in the next few days and apologize on behalf of the people of the USA.

'We in America understand the benevolence that lies at the heart of Islam.'

- Condoleeza Rice, Secretary of State of the United States of America, at the 2006 State Department Post-Eid Dinner.

I believe His Excellency the Ambassador of Sudan was in attendance.

245 Tarkus289  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:56:32pm

Bring back "Infinite Justice"

246 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:56:32pm
"We will take over the world... We trust in Allah Stan."

/Islam

247 Sol Roth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:56:35pm

re: #160 Fellay Timi

The BBC already have their pre-prepared hatchet job of Mr Wilders online

BBC went over to (fellatio of) the enemy a long time ago. Would have been surprised if they printed anything else.

248 Tumulus11  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:57:01pm
'Prepare for them whatever force and cavalry ye are able of gathering

To strike terror

To strike terror into the hearts of enemies of Allah, and your enemies.
// Surah 8 Verse 60.


. To the strains of Tschaikovsky, the two airliners slam into the Twin Towers. Then:


[911 Operator] Hold on one second please.

-- I'm going to die, right?

[O.] No no no no.

-- Yes, I'm going to die!

[0.] Ma'am, ma'am, say your prayers.

-- I'm going to die.

[0.] You've got to think positive. Because you've got to help get you off that floor.

-- I'm going to die, I'm going to die.

[0.] Stay calm, stay calm, stay calm, stay calm.

-- Dear G_d.

[0.] You're doing a good job ma'am. You're doing a good job.

-- It's so hot. I'm burning up.


. The beginning of the film was powerful and painful.

249 ciaospirit  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:57:02pm

re: #233 Tasty Beverage

Armstrong

Geez. I keep correcting that it's not Berg and then I get the name wrong. Thanks for cleaning up after me, Tasty. I'm getting tired. I think I need a break.

250 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:57:08pm

I'm guessing that in 15 years, we will be back in the European theater kicking some ass for the third time. Maybe we shouldn't give it back this time. Just take it and make them states of the US. They would be happy about the tax rates, but they would have issues with no universal healthcare. Unless of course by that time the Dhimmicrats manages to get it installed.

251 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:57:25pm

While liberal Holland smoked pot - Islam infiltrated.

yay - be nice to your new overlords.

252 Krampus  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:57:56pm

Brave, but not reckless—good work Geert.

253 ciaospirit  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:58:01pm

re: #234 MadHamster

My mistake. Thank you for the clarification.

I said Anderson. I meant Armstrong. Sorry.

254 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:58:17pm

I was underwhelmed by the movie. He didn't burn or tear up the Quran as the rumours predicted. There wasn't anything in the movie that hasn't already been talked about by Spencer, Charles, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, etc. The only things noteworthy about it is the attempts to silence it and the possibility that it might get him killed.

255 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:58:21pm

re: #245 Tarkus289

That my friend was the first misstep in this so-called war on terror.Never let the enemy set the rules

256 socalinfidel  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:58:44pm

re: #42 Oh no...Sand People!

Oh they already know whats going on...they are funded from hamas remember...

257 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:58:50pm

re: #250 saberry0530

I think you're being generous giving them 15 years.

258 rappmandu  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:59:02pm

Ah, another G Dub for them to revile!

259 Adrenalyn  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:59:04pm

Wow !

I watched this.

It comes down to Israel, in my opinion.
Either they take on radical Islam (is there any other kind?) in Gaza, West Bank, Iran, Syria and Lebanon, or get eaten alive, soon.

Why they took this long I do not know.
But I know after this, again, my sympathy meter for them is about zero because it's not that they have not seen this coming.

Fock !
We've all seen this coming but not hourly like Israel.
Are they ever going to wake up ?
We did for a little while....

260 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:59:26pm

re: #223 pingjockey

Now we will see the measure of the people of the world

261 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:59:28pm
262 Tarkus289  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:59:42pm

re: #248 Tumulus11

Have you ever heard the whole tape? You can hear the woman scream from the heat, it is among the most painful things I have ever heard.

263 snowcrash  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:59:44pm

Wilders did a good job making specific reference to gays treatment under Islamic law. Hopefully liberals will be concerned about this point when no other may concern them.

264 Sifty  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:59:55pm

re: #231 MJ

Condi Rice will denounce the film in the next few days and apologize on behalf of the people of the USA.

The State Department will issue an instructional video and pamphlet series tomorrow titled:

10,000 Really Super Happy Wonderful Hospitals, Roads, and Power Plants that Entirely Peaceful and Tolerant Muslims Have Built in Candy Land

Condi will then apologize on behalf of America for:

Offending muslims
Christianity in general
Jooooooos
The 8th thru 21st Centuries
The founding of the United States

It will do no good and they'll seethe and riot anyway.

265 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 2:59:55pm

re: #261 song_and_dance_man

agreed.

266 Ma Sands  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:00:23pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

Each person who takes his courage in hand and, wherever he may be, stands up for truth, overwhelms me --with awe and gratitude.....

267 sithkhan  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:00:26pm

I'm glad he had the courage to put this out there. I pray safe keeping for him and his family.

Compelling stuff ...

268 coloradobuff  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:00:27pm

Well done, and makes its point directly. Thankfully, it wasn't more graphic; as hard-hitting as it was, it could actually have been even more shocking, considering the audio and video that is available out there. That fact itself is a pretty strong statement, really.

269 mum from aus  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:00:38pm

Wow - very compelling. Although it's stuff that most have seen before, compiling it in this way is very powerful.

It's already Friday morning here in Australia. Keep an eye on the news here to see how the downunder muslims like the movie. Might be an indication of things to come.

270 joegosox  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:00:57pm

But how will it play in Berkley?

271 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:01:16pm

re: #257 bulwrk

I think you're being generous giving them 15 years.

Well, that will give them enough time to corrupt at least 1 more generation and increase the population to 65 to 70 million. Just an educated guess based upon experience and history.

272 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:01:21pm

re: #267 sithkhan

I somehow reported this in error - apologies and admin please ignore

(I only wanted to give this a "plus")

273 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:01:37pm

re: #270 joegosox
Rave reviews I'm sure. From raving moonbats.

274 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:01:37pm
275 Adrenalyn  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:01:55pm

re: #244 Maine's Michael

'We in America understand the benevolence that lies at the heart of Islam.'

- Condoleeza Rice, Secretary of State of the United States of America, at the 2006 State Department Post-Eid Dinner.

I believe His Excellency the Ambassador of Sudan was in attendance.

well, first the film made me want to barf
re-reading this mad me just plain gag

we're so fucked if we get Obama or Clinton

276 Bubbaman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:02:08pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

I was underwhelmed by the movie. He didn't burn or tear up the Quran as the rumours predicted. There wasn't anything in the movie that hasn't already been talked about by Spencer, Charles, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, etc. The only things noteworthy about it is the attempts to silence it and the possibility that it might get him killed.

As I said in another thread, where was the controversy? This wasn't anything we haven't seen before.

277 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:02:09pm

We need a film like this to come out at least once a quarter, just to keep the fire alive in those who care and understand that there is more than just an idealogical struggle. This is as real as losing your home, family, and freedom.

God bless the Troops.
God bless the Geert.
God bless Charles.

278 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:02:14pm

re: #270 joegosox

IF at all

279 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:02:21pm

I hope Geert Wilders had many body guards.
and a loaded gun.

280 RAXTSFK  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:02:26pm

Is anyone else slightly underwhelmed by the video? I think it relies too much on anonymous quotes and signage. Why aren't any of those Imams identified? Or the folks who freely admit that they would murder their families because of "Allah"? I'd love to show it to my liberal friends, but i'm afraid they'll pounce on the idea that these are just unknown kooks spouting bile.

281 BabbaZee  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:03:07pm

re: #251 FrogMarch

While liberal Holland smoked pot - Islam infiltrated.

yay - be nice to your new overlords.

All their bong are belong to me.


re: #254 Killgore Trout


The only things noteworthy about it is the attempts to silence it and the possibility that it might get him killed.

I believe this was his whole point for doing it. He knew that would be the case going in and he was willing to put his life on the line. I don't think that making a great film was ever his intent or his purpose for doing this.

Go Geert.

And now... off to serve a chicken.

282 MJ  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:03:17pm

re: #242 Bubbaman

You forgot to add that she will link the Palestinian-Israeli Pieces Making Deal in the whole thing.

Yeah, you're right. She'll be there tomorrow. Here's State today already blaming Israel:

QUESTION: Since the Secretary is going tomorrow to Israel, what about Prime Minister Olmert’s vow to continue the settlement-building process?

MR. MCCORMACK: You know our views on this matter. The President has spoken to it. The Secretary has spoken to it. We expect that both sides would comply with their Roadmap obligations. And there are obviously provisions within the Roadmap concerning settlements and outposts, and we would expect that both sides -- Israel and the Palestinians -- comply with those obligations. You recently heard from us that we didn’t think either side was doing enough to comply with the Roadmap obligations. So I expect that during this trip, the Secretary will talk not only about the political process with both sides and how that is proceeding, what we can do to help them move it forward, but also talk about the importance of moving forward with compliance on the Roadmap obligations.

[Link: www.state.gov...]

283 alegrias  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:03:18pm

re: #205 pingjockey

If I had my way, every night while they play the national anthem before sign off time the'd show the Towers.

* * *
We can dream~
Never Forget
Never Surrender

(also remember to watch "United Flight 93" and salute those brave troops who first fought back)

284 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:03:20pm

re: #260 Ojoe

Now we will see the measure of the people of the world

Take note of who denounces this film - they are the enemies of freedom.

285 gymnast  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:03:33pm

re: #208 Cognito

I'm not sure there's any new information in the film, but certainly the buzz around it is good -- anything that draws attention to the spread of radical Islam is good.

I like the style of the film. Wilders has insulated himself from much criticism -- not that it'll matter -- by using so much 'found' footage. Tough to argue with the power of a photo in which a woman holds a 'God Bless Hitler' sign or the horror of what happened to van Gogh. The evidence is the conviction.

So bravo to Wilders. I hope the people of the Netherlands -- and everywhere -- take to heart what he has said here.

Charles, I do have to say I flatly disagree with the notion that footage has been "hidden away by the mainstream media." People on the left say exactly the same thing, except they say it's a conspiracy to keep Americans everywhere from realizing America's weakness in the world. The truth is more pedestrian than either theory: The footage is simply graphic, far too graphic for general consumption on television or the front page of the paper, news outlets that are generally geared to 'family' viewing, for the most part. The reality is that this footage is easily accessible for anyone who wants it, but no, it's not going to make a regular appearance on the six o'clock news.

Perhaps you would care to analyze this self rationalization of "reasonable censorship" that you have illustrated with your final paragraph. Is it the same bullshit that the "Paper of record" of this state (Idaho) uses as an excuse to fail to mention the words and deeds of Reverend Wright"as it "cheer-leads" for Barack Obama. Or do you have a different type of bullshit? The American public is being crusified on the spike of withheld news.

286 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:03:41pm

re: #270 joegosox

But how will it play in Berkley?

I imagine the city council will pass some resolution proclaiming that Greet Wilders will not be welcome in their city.

287 Sol Roth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:04:44pm

re: #260 Ojoe

Now we will see the measure of the people of the world

Brace yourself.

To be disappointed.

The world won't let go of it's delusion that easily.

/sorry

288 Ma Sands  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:04:47pm

re: #280 RAXTSFK

Is anyone else slightly underwhelmed by the video? I think it relies too much on anonymous quotes and signage. Why aren't any of those Imams identified? Or the folks who freely admit that they would murder their families because of "Allah"? I'd love to show it to my liberal friends, but i'm afraid they'll pounce on the idea that these are just unknown kooks spouting bile.


I think, since most of it has been on the web for a while, it would be an easy research job for anyone to supply what you say is missing, to anyone who doubts.....

289 rightwingman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:05:06pm

Islam is a mental disorder. Islam never let the dark ages.

290 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:05:11pm

re: #285 gymnast

Perhaps you would care to analyze this self rationalization of "reasonable censorship" that you have illustrated with your final paragraph. Is it the same bullshit that the "Paper of record" of this state (Idaho) uses as an excuse to fail to mention the words and deeds of Reverend Wright"as it "cheer-leads" for Barack Obama. Or do you have a different type of bullshit? The American public is being crusified on the spike of withheld news.

What do you mean? Even the FBI just came out and said that the BOMB found in the car in New Mexico and the IRAQI currency found in same vehicle has nothing to do with terrorism.
/

291 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:05:31pm

re: #276 Bubbaman

As I said in another thread, where was the controversy? This wasn't anything we haven't seen before.

The controversy is- the euro-islamists have already sent a clear message to europeans to keep their mouths shut with the killing of Theo Van Gogh- and despite this, a brave Dutchman stood up and said "No- I will speak the Truth". In their eyes- there is nothing more controversial than that!

292 alegrias  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:05:33pm

re: #208 Cognito

I'm not sure there's any new information in the film, but certainly the buzz around it is good -- anything that draws attention to the spread of radical Islam is good.

I like the style of the film. Wilders has insulated himself from much criticism -- not that it'll matter -- by using so much 'found' footage. Tough to argue with the power of a photo in which a woman holds a 'God Bless Hitler' sign or the horror of what happened to van Gogh. The evidence is the conviction.

So bravo to Wilders. I hope the people of the Netherlands -- and everywhere -- take to heart what he has said here.

Charles, I do have to say I flatly disagree with the notion that footage has been "hidden away by the mainstream media." People on the left say exactly the same thing, except they say it's a conspiracy to keep Americans everywhere from realizing America's weakness in the world. The truth is more pedestrian than either theory: The footage is simply graphic, far too graphic for general consumption on television or the front page of the paper, news outlets that are generally geared to 'family' viewing, for the most part. The reality is that this footage is easily accessible for anyone who wants it, but no, it's not going to make a regular appearance on the six o'clock news.

* * *
We are at war.
"Remember Pearl Harbor" was probably coined by Democrats and said often during that war.

Remember 9/11~
We should be saying this & doing this, all of us.

293 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:05:41pm

re: #280 RAXTSFK

Is anyone else slightly underwhelmed by the video? I think it relies too much on anonymous quotes and signage. Why aren't any of those Imams identified? Or the folks who freely admit that they would murder their families because of "Allah"? I'd love to show it to my liberal friends, but i'm afraid they'll pounce on the idea that these are just unknown kooks spouting bile.

I'm sure a lot of people here are underwhelmed, but only because they're already familiar (see my own reaction in post 208, Killgore's in 254, etc).

But the new material here isn't a series of facts; it's a mentality. Most people are only peripherally aware of radical Islam beyond Septemer 11, so seeing this, for them, would be a revelatory thing.

294 Cathy in Northern Virginia  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:05:57pm

I'm creeped out by the scenes of children with blood on their faces especially the one with mother and child where the mother is holding a knife and smiling while her child has blood on his face. Are the children in these scenes "celebrating" Ashura?

The picture of the pregnant woman with her thighs taped together and exposing her privates was also creepy. Is that a crime scene photo? Or is the purpose of this photo to humiliate that woman in particular and to intimidate other women not to do whatever she allegedly did?

We better figure out how to defend ourselves from this barbarism or we may find ourselves in this pit of hatred, cruelty and despair that is radical Islam.

What is the difference between radical Islam and moderate Islam?

295 Sifty  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:06:02pm

re: #280 RAXTSFK

Most of the somebitches in that video have been identified in a dozen places by other bloggers and right here on this very site.

Some of the thugs are close to household names around here.

296 rappmandu  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:06:12pm

Many people are so ignorant, they'd hear Geert Wilder and think Gene Wilder, Islamofascism and hear Islamophobia.

Many wouldn't even know about any of the above.

297 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:06:24pm

THe Captain at the Marine Recruiting office in Berkeley ought to have Greet Wilders over for a lunch and lecture. That should bring 'em out in droves. Code pinko and the local Al-Queda. FUCK what a picture

298 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:06:32pm

re: #271 saberry0530

Its kind of tough to look at a five year old and know if we screw this up he may be fighting to save eroupe one day just like his great grandfather had to.

299 EC Marm  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:06:49pm

re: #281 BabbaZee
Much traffic will be generated by posting a link to the LiveLink video. I did, without comment.

300 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:06:54pm

These are the bastards that destroyed our beautiful towers and killed my neighbors.

This is the swamp that must be drained.

Win the War.

301 snowcrash  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:07:06pm

I am glad Wilders did nothing to the Koran. He cannot be tagged with the hate label and silenced for merely showing Islam in Islams own words and deeds. Nothing provocative, just facts.

302 Ma Sands  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:07:19pm

re: #281 BabbaZee

Yes, Babba, absolutely --a sturdy walk right down the line.......nothing but approbation deserved!

303 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:07:31pm

re: #285 gymnast

Perhaps you would care to analyze this self rationalization of "reasonable censorship" that you have illustrated with your final paragraph. Is it the same bullshit that the "Paper of record" of this state (Idaho) uses as an excuse to fail to mention the words and deeds of Reverend Wright"as it "cheer-leads" for Barack Obama. Or do you have a different type of bullshit? The American public is being crusified on the spike of withheld news.

Which 'withheld news' are you referring to, from my post?

I'm not sure any of this has anything to do with what I wrote, to be honest. It's got nothing to do with the nefarious Rev. Wright, et al.

304 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:07:33pm

re: #298 bulwrk

Exactly correct

305 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:07:41pm

re: #281 BabbaZee

Agreed. I'm not dissing Geert (hair be upon him), I'm hoping this continues and inspires other people to openly criticize/mock/blaspheme Islam. We are long overdue for a wave of blasphemy that should have started after Salmon Rushdie or Theo.

306 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:07:49pm

re: #292 alegrias

* * *
We are at war.
"Remember Pearl Harbor" was probably coined by Democrats and said often during that war.

Remember 9/11~
We should be saying this & doing this, all of us.

Yes, of course.

307 Tarkus289  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:07:53pm

re: #300 experiencedtraveller

We need to start it to win it.

308 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:08:08pm

pimf

europe

309 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:08:31pm

re: #301 snowcrash

I am glad Wilders did nothing to the Koran. He cannot be tagged with the hate label and silenced for merely showing Islam in Islams own words and deeds. Nothing provocative, just facts.

You know 'they', the apologists, are going to sue to get all the original source material just to see if he tore the page out or not...I can almost guarantee it as much as I know that Islam is a Religion of Peace.

310 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:09:04pm

re: #263 snowcrash

Wilders did a good job making specific reference to gays treatment under Islamic law. Hopefully liberals will be concerned about this point when no other may concern them.

Amazing, isn't it? FGM doesn't seem to bother the liberals either.

311 Backstaber  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:09:20pm

Wonderful video, we need more of this, and we need it now!

312 snowcrash  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:09:32pm

re: #294 Cathy in Northern Virginia
I thought the woman was an example of female genital mutilation.

313 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:09:52pm

THey should show this film in every high school across the country. Maybe then and only then we wouldn't have half the problem we do know. Its like all the Ohio State police films on DUI wrecks that I had to watch in drivers ED.

314 Bubbaman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:10:13pm

re: #291 Sharmuta

The controversy is- the euro-islamists have already sent a clear message to europeans to keep their mouths shut with the killing of Theo Van Gogh- and despite this, a brave Dutchman stood up and said "No- I will speak the Truth". In their eyes- there is nothing more controversial than that!

The release was controversial, but the material wasn't. It's all out there.

315 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:10:57pm

re: #281 BabbaZee

You're the only person I trust with a bong.

316 Rune  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:11:08pm

The site is totally swamped. Lots of people watching. I will probably have to wait a few days to be able to watch it. Or rather I think I'm goint to look on some of the torrent sites.

317 snowcrash  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:11:38pm

re: #310 debutaunt
The acceptance of the treatment of women is still the biggest mystery to me.

318 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:11:41pm

re: #315 FrogMarch

You're the only person I trust with a bong.

What, Tommy Chong not good enough....
/

319 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:11:55pm

re: #276 Bubbaman

As I said in another thread, where was the controversy? This wasn't anything we haven't seen before.

We are the choir. Hoping others will learn what we already know.

320 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:11:56pm

Just when things pick up, I must go.

Bye all.

321 gymnast  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:11:56pm

re: #303 Cognito

Which 'withheld news' are you referring to, from my post?

I'm not sure any of this has anything to do with what I wrote, to be honest. It's got nothing to do with the nefarious Rev. Wright, et al.

I was referring to your dissembling prevarication that constituted the sum and substance of your third paragraph of your the post I originally cited.

322 BBEV  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:12:09pm

re: #263 snowcrash

Wilders did a good job making specific reference to gays treatment under Islamic law. Hopefully liberals will be concerned about this point when no other may concern them.


But Iran does not have any gay people.

323 Eowyn2  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:12:14pm

re: #86 bulwrk

more people have already viewed this film than all the POS anti-war films hollywood has put out combined.

More than three?

324 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:12:21pm

re: #313 saberry0530

that'll never happen,you don't want to worry or warp their lil minds you see.....although filling their heads with marxist/socialist bullshit is just fine.the film didn't blame the u.s.,so it'll never be seen in a high school.

325 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:12:33pm

re: #294 Cathy in Northern Virginia

What is the difference between radical Islam and moderate Islam?

Radical Muslims are acting out what is in the Koran; moderate Muslims quietly sympathize with them.

326 mikeinmd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:12:46pm

Pretty damn good. The courage it takes to make a film like this, even if you've seen a lot of this (which a lot of us have, I presume), is just mind-boggling. The fact that he has to be in hiding for the next, oh, forever, is telling in itself.

Nothing seems to make them seethe more than hearing them speak their own words on Western TV.

327 Ben-Ami  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:12:51pm

The great thing about this movie is that it's almost all taken out of the mouths of the Muslims themselves - this isn't someone commenting on the Islamist danger, but letting that danger speak for itself. Of course, as we saw with Obama, we aren't supposed to notice what our enemies say or do.

328 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:13:00pm

re: #314 Bubbaman

My point was it is controversial that Mr. Wilders would speak up at all. Any time anyone dares speak the truth about islam it is a controversy for them! We are all supposed to shut up and take it like good little dhimmis.

329 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:13:01pm

re: #321 gymnast

I was referring to your dissembling prevarication that constituted the sum and substance of your third paragraph of your the post I originally cited.

Ha. Well.

So long as we're clear.

330 bystander  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:13:08pm

Thank you, Charles, for having the courage that the mainstream media lacks.

331 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:13:12pm

re: #322 BBEV

But Iran does not have any gay people, that are still alive.

better

332 BGOH  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:13:14pm

God bless Geert Wilders for being this brave. This is such a powerful film. So powerful, in fact, that I'm not really sure how to introduce it to people. Outside of our lizard community, I don't think many people in the U.S. have any idea how bad things have been in Europe, and what prompted Geert to make this.

I'm running a test case on my mom right now, but does anyone have any suggestions on how to tell others about the film, putting it in proper context? I'd appreciate it.

333 PloniAlmoni  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:13:20pm

I think it took Wilders a while to release the film so that the Dutch security forces had enough time to deploy to all their embassies for the riots that will ensue.

334 Iron Fist  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:13:45pm

Wow! Very well done. The choice is plain. It is not a "tiny minority" that we face, rather a majority of the Mohammedans who support this.

If it weren't, then Wilders wouldn't be getting the screams he has from this, but rather "moderate" Muslims who agree that this is awful.

We don't see any of those. Ex-Mohammedan Arabs, sure. This isn't about race, it is about Ideology. Islam is a totalitarian Ideology.

How many "moderate" Nazis were there in Nazi Germany? How many "moderate" Marxist-Lenninists in Stalin's USSR?

Islam is a totalitarian Ideology.

335 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:13:57pm

re: #307 Tarkus289

We need to start it to win it.

I think its underway. But we are only half engaged.

336 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:14:07pm

re: #127 pingjockey

It is terrible. We were going through my stacks and stacks of pics I had taken while in the Navy. There were tow rolls from 1986. The rededication of the statue of liberty. I have a pic of the statue with the towers in the back. Like to tore my heart out.

I remember taking the last ferry of the day back from the Statue of Liberty and the full moon could be seen setting between the Two Towers.

I choose Death rather than Capitulation.

337 snowcrash  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:14:20pm

re: #322 BBEV
I was talking about before they hung them from the crane!
/s

338 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:14:57pm

The movie's target audience is not well informed Lizards. We have seen all of this. We get it. He's preaching to the choir.

It's still an important movie.

Mr. Wilders shows the world Islam in context. He reveals Islam in Islam's own words and deeds.

339 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:15:00pm

re: #334 Iron Fist

Wow! Very well done. The choice is plain. It is not a "tiny minority" that we face, rather a majority of the Mohammedans who support this.

If it weren't, then Wilders wouldn't be getting the screams he has from this, but rather "moderate" Muslims who agree that this is awful.

We don't see any of those. Ex-Mohammedan Arabs, sure. This isn't about race, it is about Ideology. Islam is a totalitarian Ideology.

How many "moderate" Nazis were there in Nazi Germany? How many "moderate" Marxist-Lenninists in Stalin's USSR?

Islam is a totalitarian Ideology.

So is Black Liberation Theology!

340 Iron Fist  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:15:23pm

re: #322 BBEV

But Iran does not have any gay people.

Not anymore.

341 PloniAlmoni  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:15:27pm

By the way, for all of us that have seen all those video clips from PMW or MEMRI, this is nothing new and been proven without a doubt, but to the people who haven't seen this before, it will seem unsourced.

342 kaziggy2  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:15:33pm

This was an eye opener for some( not for me), but the majority of average americans will never see it. Seems like so many people in europe and america are walking around in their own little bubbles, oblivious to what could come in the future. Sobering!

343 Eowyn2  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:15:37pm

re: #259 Adrenalyn

Wow !

I watched this.

It comes down to Israel, in my opinion.
Either they take on radical Islam (is there any other kind?) in Gaza, West Bank, Iran, Syria and Lebanon, or get eaten alive, soon.

Why they took this long I do not know.
But I know after this, again, my sympathy meter for them is about zero because it's not that they have not seen this coming.

Fock !
We've all seen this coming but not hourly like Israel.
Are they ever going to wake up ?
We did for a little while....

Every time Israel tries to stick up for herself, the MSM and the UN start screaming about innapropriate response and evil baby stan. How many times has Israel had to justify herself for existing. Israel shouldnt have to justify herself. We CANT let Israel fall. Glass Desert may sound like the name of a tom clancy book but it is a very realistic future should Israel fall.

344 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:15:43pm

re: #324 Boondock St. Bender

I know I'm going to show it to everyone that comes over to my house. Hell, I might even have a premiere showing this weekend. Invite a couple of my PHD endowed college profs' over.. That should be some kinda fun.

345 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:15:46pm

re: #336 David IV of Georgia

NO SUBMISSION!

346 Tarkus289  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:16:01pm

re: #335 experiencedtraveller

I know that, but I would say we are far less than half engaged.
It should have started at noon, 9-11-01 and never ceased until it was over.

347 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:16:03pm

re: #340 Iron Fist

At least none that will admit it.

348 Rune  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:16:30pm

btw. it can be downloaded from here in lots of different formats: Fitna Torrents

- all the rest of the stuff is of couse illegal.

349 Ma Sands  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:16:58pm

re: #330 bystander

Thank you, Charles, for having [exercising] the courage that the mainstream media lacks [won't].


There.....fixed it.....no?

350 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:17:09pm

re: #145 MandyManners

WTF? Do you like Islam? Think it's a religion of peace?

Have you read the Quran? the Hadiths? the Sirah? This IS the context!

351 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:17:30pm

re: #312 snowcrash

I thought the woman was an example of female genital mutilation.

Same here; and if so, I'm glad it was but a brief look. Gah.

352 godfrey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:18:01pm

God grant us long lives to fight this tide of evil men.

353 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:18:42pm

re: #123 ethanxxx

Mr. Wilder has taken all those images and quotes from the Koran "Out of Context". How can you people not see that?

Nevermind the direct quotes from Imams and footage of known acts of Islamic terrorism, were those take out of context too? WHO are you going to believe, ethanxxx or your own lying eyes?

/take you Muslim apologetics and shove it up your ass

354 Wondering Aloud  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:18:46pm

Is there any chance Europe will not be totally islamicized in a generation?

355 Thanos  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:18:53pm

re: #288 Ma Sands

I think, since most of it has been on the web for a while, it would be an easy research job for anyone to supply what you say is missing, to anyone who doubts.....


And besides that the attributions and sources are listed in credits at the end. If you have questions about any particulars you can probably find threads on the subject here and at many other sites which discuss in detail.

356 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:18:56pm

re: #317 snowcrash

The acceptance of the treatment of women is still the biggest mystery to me.

They refuse to read Infidel.

357 Eowyn2  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:19:02pm

re: #286 bulwrk

I imagine the city council will pass some resolution proclaiming that Greet Wilders will not be welcome in their city.

no berkeley key for Geert

358 wanderer  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:19:13pm

Bravo Geert Wilders! I can't wait for the next jihaddist expose coming out of Netherlands produced by a former Dutch muslim socialist who has awakened. Perhaps the somnulent masses of Europe and America will awaken from their torpor.
Those who are aware of the dangers of islamofascism need to keep attacking that evil death cult and keep the jihaddis heads ceaselessly exploding in irrational violence and anger reminding g free people of the need to safeguard the rights and liberties that the islamofascists ummah are dedicated to snuff out in western countries with the aid of the marxist pc enslaved useful idiot liberal left and their tools in the media.
Keep the Dark Ages revertist mad mullahs seething so that they incite their mindless followers to keep showing the civilized world the their blood drenched hands and filth encrusted asses for all to see.
Constant exposure is driving the primal beast of islime to insanity. Those who are aware of the danger of islamofascism need to keep in mind the adage "Those Who the Gods Destroy Are First Made Mad".
Thank you Mr. Wilders, Spencer, Westegaard, Ms. Ali, and the bloggers who posted Fitna for baiting the beast that is islamofascism. History will remember you as the saviors of Western Culture and our sycophantic posterior osculating pols as clownish appeasers, revulsive cowards, and treasonous wretches.

359 madisonsfriend  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:19:14pm

How can anyone not see the planes destroying the Towers and not weep? I cannot bear to watch but I do. How can anyone pretend it was a few people acting alone who attacked us? And yes, how does anyone pretend that a "culture" or governments, that allow girls to be mutilated, women and girls treated as chattel and "non-believers" to be worthy only of death, are anything but our darkest enemies?

360 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:19:31pm

re: #344 saberry0530

Tha should be something!(be prepared for "This is out of context"b.s.,also be prepared perhaps to lose a couple of friends.)people don't like to have their comphie' veiw of the world disturbed.

361 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:19:41pm

re: #353 Killian Bundy
Calm down, he forgot the sarcasm tags. We talked this over earlier!

362 ROP?LOL  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:19:58pm

re: #294 Cathy in Northern Virginia


What is the difference between radical Islam and moderate Islam?

There is none. There is no such thing as a moderate. Oh, wait. Abbas is a moderate, George told me sol.

363 Clio  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:20:17pm

About the background music . . .

Is it the Arabian Dance from a Tchaikovsky ballet score?
Sleeping Beauty? Nutcracker ?

Or from Rimsky-Korsakov's score for Sheherazade ?

Can anyone help?

364 madisonsfriend  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:20:18pm

re: #322 BBEV

But Iran does not have any gay people.

Hey, I saw Andy Samberg on SNL with Mahmoud

365 Thanos  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:20:22pm

re: #341 PloniAlmoni

By the way, for all of us that have seen all those video clips from PMW or MEMRI, this is nothing new and been proven without a doubt, but to the people who haven't seen this before, it will seem unsourced.

Sources are in the credits at the end.

366 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:21:03pm

re: #353 Killian Bundy

Nevermind.

/apparently someone forgot a sarc tag

367 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:21:11pm

re: #360 Boondock St. Bender

Tha should be something!(be prepared for "This is out of context"b.s.,also be prepared perhaps to lose a couple of friends.)people don't like to have their comphie' veiw of the world disturbed.

Is that comphie or commie? Or does it really matter? I would guess they are interchangeable.

368 Thanos  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:21:15pm

re: #363 Clio

About the background music . . .

Is it the Arabian Dance from a Tchaikovsky ballet score?
Sleeping Beauty? Nutcracker ?

Or from Rimsky-Korsakov's score for Sheherazade ?

Can anyone help?

Arabian Dance according to Allahpundit.

369 USBeast  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:21:22pm

Just got home from work and watched it. He didn't say anything that hasn't been said before, but he said it well and, hopefully someone was actually listening.

370 Bubbaman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:21:22pm

re: #328 Sharmuta

My point was it is controversial that Mr. Wilders would speak up at all. Any time anyone dares speak the truth about islam it is a controversy for them! We are all supposed to shut up and take it like good little dhimmis.

Point well taken. My point was that the hype and fear was overblown. There's worse stuff on youtube or even the boobtube. If the Netherlands has become a society where pointing to an orange and stating that it is orange is so controversial, then they really have no hope. If the release of this 15 minute film rocked the core of their society so severely, then they are beyond repair.

371 Ma Sands  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:21:53pm

re: #363 Clio

Tchaikovsky..... :)

372 Ben-Ami  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:21:55pm

re: #363 Clio

About the background music . . .

Is it the Arabian Dance from a Tchaikovsky ballet score?
Sleeping Beauty? Nutcracker ?

Or from Rimsky-Korsakov's score for Sheherazade ?

Can anyone help?

Tchaikovsky. It was in the credits.

373 Eowyn2  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:22:23pm

re: #342 kaziggy2

This was an eye opener for some( not for me), but the majority of average americans will never see it. Seems like so many people in europe and america are walking around in their own little bubbles, oblivious to what could come in the future. Sobering!

I think there are more 'middle Americans' and 'middle Canadians' who will see this and silently arm themselves while sending another priority mail box to our troops fighting the Islamists than the DC autocrats realize.

374 Cpt. Disco  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:22:26pm

I'm glad this is available for viewing and I hope some that are in doubt or denial actually take the time to watch.

I, however, have these images burned everlastingly in my memory. I have no desire to revisit my nightmares.

375 EC Marm  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:22:27pm

I'm having fun reading the LiveLeak comments. The islamists are trying to spread the taqiyya while the "just nuke the fu/&kers" crew is pouring on the gasoline. Prediction: Major outpourings of outrage post-Friday prayers.

376 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:22:31pm

re: #291 Sharmuta

The controversy is- the euro-islamists have already sent a clear message to europeans to keep their mouths shut with the killing of Theo Van Gogh- and despite this, a brave Dutchman stood up and said "No- I will speak the Truth". In their eyes- there is nothing more controversial than that!

Exactly!
There are not many in Eurabia who actively search to learn about Jihad. Most prefer to regard Muslims as peaceful guests - and the European MSM will not publicise the ethnicity of those who beat up the natives, it might be incendiary. So the actual state of Muslims attacking non-muslimic French, Dutch, English or German people is unknown by the masses. And any murder, like that of Theo van Gogh, looks like an exception.

People there don't want to give up on their warm dreams of living in a multi-cultural society - facing up to the truth is painful, and its much easier to bash some Christians with the new atheism than do a similar thing to Muslims.

377 Compassionate Warmonger  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:22:31pm

Of course, for every lunatic you see in the film, the real danger are the hundreds/thousands of people who generally agree with his actions to defend Islam, and the hundreds/thousands more who have their reservations but in the end don't want to fight the radicals within their faith.

Its great to see a European stand up and fight, but sadly, culturally and demographically I'm not too hopeful for much of the continent. They're just so locked into multi-culti political correctness that its hard to imagine them doing an about face in time.

I was in Switzerland last year and the cover of the national paper was a story reporting that Europeans consider the USA to be the biggest threat to world peace. That's how far down the rabbit hole they've traveled.

All this being said - excellent film. Lets pray they wake up before its too late.

378 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:22:35pm

re: #353 Killian Bundy

Nevermind the direct quotes from Imams and footage of known acts of Islamic terrorism, were those take out of context too? WHO are you going to believe, ethanxxx or your own lying eyes?

/take you Muslim apologetics and shove it up your ass

Ha,Ha!..."take all the non-believers and put them to the sword."
Hey! thats out of context!
Not fair!using my own words against me!

379 maxiton  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:23:13pm

nothing new

380 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:24:32pm

re: #367 Nevergiveup

perhaps here in the u.s.,but i think comphie is in short supply in a commie workers paradise.(see:n.korea)

381 Thanos  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:24:34pm

KT - I'm going to disagree with you in one respect, and it's in the challenge made.

While many have been critical of the lack of reformation within Islam, few have stated the challenge with clarity directly to Muslims.

It's the difference between a demonstration against the Berlin wall, and "Mr Gorbachev, Tear down this wall!" on a smaller scale.

382 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:24:35pm

re: #379 maxiton

True, but wrapped in nice package that the average person can sink their teeth in and understand what action is needed to be done.

383 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:24:56pm

re: #379 maxiton
It got a lot of hype and maybe a whole lot of people who don't pay attention to the threat will see this.

384 Ma Sands  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:25:42pm

re: #379 maxiton

nothing new


Wrong: have you ever seen it all pulled together in just that way, at just this timing..... :)

385 Carolyn  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:25:48pm

re: #123 ethanxxx

Mr. Wilder has taken all those images and quotes from the Koran "Out of Context". How can you people not see that?

I hope that was sarcasm. If not ignore my +.

386 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:26:01pm

re: #380 Boondock St. Bender

perhaps here in the u.s.,but i think comphie is in short supply in a commie workers paradise.(see:n.korea)

Saying comphie is in short supply in N. Korea can get you shot or dragged of to a comphie gulag.

387 Clio  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:26:10pm

re: #368 Thanos

Thanks.

388 uptight  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:26:37pm

Fitna gives nothing new to people like us. My hope is that Fitna and the films that follow it persuade more people to take a stand, but I fear it's all too little and too late.

Islamic fascism has been shoehorned into place by self-hating leftists. The same sort of creeps that formed the Peace Union and argued against fighting Hitler.

Back then, society had backbone and stood up to the bad guys.

Today?

The only people making noise are the leftists & Islamists sqwarking about racism & Islamophobia. Opportunist far right groups who are using the threat to gain supporters (before they turn on the Jews again) and good folks like us and Wilders.

We need to win the middle ground - to persuade our politicians that fighting Islamism is honourable and neccessary. That we mustn't give it an inch. That it isn't racist to ban the burka etc.

Our view is the view of ordinary people, but sadly society is not raising its voice. Where are the million-man marches against Islamofascism? Too many people are complacent. They don't CARE enough to say "no". The will isn't there.

389 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:26:40pm

OOOH! I want some. The Defense Logistics Agency mistakenly sent some Nuclear Warhead fuses to Taiwan.

390 uptight  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:27:57pm

IOW - we are slowly losing

391 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:27:59pm

I didn't read all the post here so if this was already pointed out: If you install RealPlayer 11, in setup there is an option for a "download this video" button. It will appear whenever you watch a video on Live Leak or YouTube. This way, you save your own copy into your library. Not sure about sharing or burning copies yet.

392 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:28:27pm

re: #389 pingjockey

OOOH! I want some. The Defense Logistics Agency mistakenly sent some Nuclear Warhead fuses to Taiwan.

NOthing like a transposed NSN on a 136 card column work sheet to throw off an order

393 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:28:31pm

re: #386 Nevergiveup

I enjoyed the story i read,where the chinese sent a relief train full of food to n.k.and lil kim confiscated the train.he said he thought that the train was part of the relief package.the chinese were not amused.

394 Bubbaman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:29:35pm

I guess I was peaking inside the tent hoping to get a glimpse of the "bearded lady" and all I saw was some guy with 5 o'clock shadow.

395 AndyMacOP  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:29:40pm

That was powerful...

Now, how long until the murder?

396 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:30:25pm

And the truth is controversial why?

397 Ma Sands  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:30:35pm

re: #390 uptight

IOW - we are slowly losing


In the end, the good guys win --it is written. :)

398 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:31:14pm

re: #395 AndyMacOP

Thats in the works.as has been said before,"you call islam violent!I kill you!"

399 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:31:15pm

re: #393 Boondock St. Bender

I enjoyed the story i read,where the chinese sent a relief train full of food to n.k.and lil kim confiscated the train.he said he thought that the train was part of the relief package.the chinese were not amused.

Well them Chinese just don't know how to take a joke. Just ask the Tibetans?

400 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:31:37pm

re: #391 UberInfidel67

IF i's on You tube you can get a prgram called "Downloader3000" and copy the videos URL then this program saves the video to your hardrive. Works like a champ and its free.

401 brogers  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:32:14pm

I'm sure Mr. Wilders will be targetted for killing by the muslims fanatics--to prove how peaceful islam really is, and show how offended they are that he would depict islam as violent.

402 Thanos  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:32:23pm

re: #396 Anthony (Los Angeles)

And the truth is controversial why?

Because:

Geert is Swiftboating ISLAM!

//////

403 Render  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:32:29pm

re: #208 Cognito

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Note the NYSlimes contradicting their own stories and headlines in order to influence an election.

The media community, (and the rest of us), were told to chose a side ("with us or against us") shortly after 9/11.

When low budget independent reporters like Michael Yon, Michael Totten, Strategypage, and Bill Roggio put out a product that is far more factual, detailed, verifiable, and believable then all of the combined efforts of the MSM, you should know something is wrong.

When low budget bloggers like Charles, Blackfive, and Ace of Spades with their host of dedicated volunteer fact checkers can fact check the best the MSM, (with it's huge combined budget and well paid researchers), has to offer into the ground it becomes all to obvious.

It tells us all which side they've chosen.

RIVER
CITY
RENEGADES,
R

404 mikeinmd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:33:00pm

The Dutch police will be sent to the mosques so no Islamophobic nutjob attacks it.

The Saudi Arabian Police will be sent to the chur...um......errr......

Oh,Shit.

405 Iron Fist  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:35:18pm

re: #339 Nevergiveup,

Absolutely true. Somebody tell Obama and his cultists.

406 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:35:19pm

Sand People
You still here?

407 didache  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:35:39pm

Not sure what to make of this. I could have done without the decapitation. I was kind of hoping to get through life without having to see one of those, even if the camera did fade out in the middle.

There is nothing new here. And that is a problem. For all the terror, the actual instances of terrorist attacks are relatively infrequent (if we compare to say, IRA bombing campaigns in the past). Also there haven’t been any major incidents recently. Which is the way people generally want it. So the danger here is that Wilders will, with some justification, be accused of raking over the coals to try and stir things up.

The principle danger to the West is not sporadic acts of violence, but the inexorable demographic transformation that will take place. It isn’t at all clear how Wilders suggests we stop it. But at the same time it is crystal clear that there is no western government that has either the will or the first idea how to stop it either. And frankly that counts for their electorates, as well. To the power of ten.

408 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:35:48pm

Let's make a link here. Lord Obama's long time pastor and spiritual mentor, the racist "Reverend" Wright, has spewed hatred against just about every ethnic and religious group on the planet, yet reprints Hamas literature in his "church's" bulletin and bestows a lifetime achievement award on Nation of Islam's Calypso Louie.

/what does this tell you?

409 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:35:49pm

OT The Rev. Wrong is getting a 10k square foot house on a gated golf course community, paid for by the church. And he told his flock to throw out typical middle class values. HYPOCRITE!

410 bosforus  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:35:53pm

re: #400 saberry0530

my personal favorite way to save a movie, since we're on the topic, is from google video. if my memory serve me well, to avoid getting around having to download google's video player you download the movie in their format, then open it up in notepad, copy and paste a url from the gobbley-gook that opens in notepad into your browser and you can download it in a different format. it's pretty clever. find a website for better instructions though.

411 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:36:07pm

re: #388 uptight

Fitna gives nothing new to people like us. My hope is that Fitna and the films that follow it persuade more people to take a stand, but I fear it's all too little and too late.

The content is not new to us, no. What is new to us is the film in general- I now have another weapon at my disposal to turn to when I encounter the islamo-ignorant.

When word of this film first came to LGF, someone asked what a 15 minute film could do. I responded that Submission Part I was only 11 minutes and had changed my life. This film may very well have a similar impact on others. It is not too late. It will only be too late when the last infidel submits.

412 mean Gene  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:36:14pm

re: #341 PloniAlmoni

By the way, for all of us that have seen all those video clips from PMW or MEMRI, this is nothing new and been proven without a doubt, but to the people who haven't seen this before, it will seem unsourced.

Good point.
I'd love to go back through it second by second just to footnote it.
How would i go about doing that?

413 NoSubmission  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:36:50pm

It is just starting and I like it already. Any film that opens with the Turban Bomb Mo has got to be good!

414 infidel Alan  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:36:54pm

There are lots of people like my musician friends who always--as soon as anyone mentions Islam negatively--immediately start in on the "the stuff in the bible is just as bad" riff and then congratulate each other on their open-mindedness. They are sooo smug in their ignorance.

415 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:37:14pm

re: #407 didache
Don't tell the folks in Sderot attacks are infrequent or the folks waiting in line at the market in Bagdad or Kabul.

416 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:37:36pm

re: #389 pingjockey

OOOH! I want some. The Defense Logistics Agency mistakenly sent some Nuclear Warhead fuses to Taiwan.

/they're safely back under U.S. positive control

417 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:38:04pm

OT
FOx news talking about the 10 MILLION that TUCC (Obamas Church) is using to build the Rev Wright a retirement house. WTFO!

Please tell me I heard that wrong?

418 EC Marm  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:38:12pm

re: #409 pingjockey

OT The Rev. Wrong is getting a 10k square foot house on a gated golf course community, paid for by the church. And he told his flock to throw out typical middle class values. HYPOCRITE!


You didn't read the fine print. Middleclassness is bad for the congregation, but VERY GOOD for the retired preacher.

419 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:38:16pm

re: #408 Killian Bundy

Let's make a link here. Lord Obama's long time pastor and spiritual mentor, the racist "Reverend" Wright, has spewed hatred against just about every ethnic and religious group on the planet, yet reprints Hamas literature in his "church's" bulletin and bestows a lifetime achievement award on Nation of Islam's Calypso Louie.

/what does this tell you?

That Black Liberation Theology Churches are a wholly owned subsidiary of The Nation Of ISLAM!

420 Tarkus289  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:38:42pm

re: #414 infidel Alan

Tell them, no offense, then throw them down the nearest set of stairs.

421 richiep  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:38:45pm

The West rises slowly to threats against it. Once awake all the petty differences will be put aside. It will be costly and bloody. In the end Islam will be defeated. The conflict will make the American-Japanese conflict look like a picnic.

422 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:38:54pm

re: #417 saberry0530
NOPE!

423 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:39:18pm

re: #417 saberry0530

OT
FOx news talking about the 10 MILLION that TUCC (Obamas Church) is using to build the Rev Wright a retirement house. WTFO!

Please tell me I heard that wrong?

NOPE, your hearing is perfect.

424 Iron Fist  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:39:34pm

re: #359 madisonsfriend,

How can anyone see the planes destroying the Two Towers and not be angry? I've already said what my response would have been.

We look weak to the Mohammedans. They see mercy as weakness.

Perhaps they are correct in this.

425 rappmandu  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:40:10pm

re: #409 pingjockey

Well, 10,000 square feet in a gated community definitely isn't middle class.

426 Ma Sands  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:40:21pm

Just got a response from the second of my 7 grown children......my youngest --and he's pretty shook.....

427 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:40:23pm

re: #422 pingjockey

NOPE!

I am Definitely in the wrong business.....

428 Carolyn  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:40:40pm

re: #407 didache


Not sure what to make of this. I could have done without the decapitation. I was kind of hoping to get through life without having to see one of those, even if the camera did fade out in the middle.

Believe me, that was nothing like a beheading.
I watched the Nick Berg horror and I didn't know if I was going to recover.
Never again. Satan is the author of such things.

429 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:40:47pm

re: #427 saberry0530
Me too.

430 Thanos  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:40:58pm

re: #407 didache

Not sure what to make of this. I could have done without the decapitation. I was kind of hoping to get through life without having to see one of those, even if the camera did fade out in the middle.

There is nothing new here. And that is a problem. For all the terror, the actual instances of terrorist attacks are relatively infrequent (if we compare to say, IRA bombing campaigns in the past).

The principle danger to the West is not sporadic acts of violence, but the inexorable demographic transformation that will take place. It isn’t at all clear how Wilders suggests we stop it. But at the same time it is crystal clear that there is no western government that has either the will or the first idea how to stop it either. And frankly that counts for their electorates, as well. To the power of ten.

Infrequent?! More that Daily on average is infrequent? ( Check the number of terror attacks at TheReligionofPeace.com please)

431 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:41:32pm

re: #425 rappmandu

Well, 10,000 square feet in a gated community definitely isn't middle class.

Good point... "Hey, I didn't say anything about UPPER class. Now get back out there and keep hating whitey."

432 Nevergiveup  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:41:40pm

re: #424 Iron Fist

,

How can anyone see the planes destroying the Two Towers and not be angry? I've already said what my response would have been.

We look weak to the Mohammedans. They see mercy as weakness.

Perhaps they are correct in this.

I think mercy is a wonderful human virtue. Unfortunately I've done run out of it!

433 infidel Alan  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:41:42pm

Someone asked about Tchaikovsky's "Arab Dance" -- it is from his "Nutcracker" ballet.

434 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:41:58pm

re: #428 Carolyn
I made myself watch. Never forget.

435 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:42:02pm

re: #403 Render

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Note the NYSlimes contradicting their own stories and headlines in order to influence an election.

The media community, (and the rest of us), were told to chose a side ("with us or against us") shortly after 9/11.

When low budget independent reporters like Michael Yon, Michael Totten, Strategypage, and Bill Roggio put out a product that is far more factual, detailed, verifiable, and believable then all of the combined efforts of the MSM, you should know something is wrong.

When low budget bloggers like Charles, Blackfive, and Ace of Spades with their host of dedicated volunteer fact checkers can fact check the best the MSM, (with it's huge combined budget and well paid researchers), has to offer into the ground it becomes all to obvious.

It tells us all which side they've chosen.

RIVER
CITY
RENEGADES,
R

Render, yes, I'd agree with that -- in principle at least, as very few bloggers are producing a tiny fraction of the news -- but what does it have to do with what I posted?

436 Iron Fist  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:42:16pm

re: #409 pingjockey,

Because he has Upper Class values.

He lives off the proletariat, after all. The sweat of their browes, and all of that.

437 Tarkus289  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:42:26pm

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.


from religionofpeace.com

438 Billy Hank  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:42:54pm

We need to see something like this released every Thursday for about the next 456 weeks. Filmmakers will never run out of material from either the Koran or global incidents. I just flashed on the girls beheaded on their way to school, the Filipinos, the Thai farmers, the Indian rail passengers, the..., the..., the list just goes on and on. When ordinary people in the world get the courage to rise up and show these deranged fanatics that their acts earn no honor for their faith, only scorn and revulsion, maybe the decent people... No, scratch that. If there were decent prople in Islam they would have long ago stripped out the hate, the blood lust, the misogyny, the deceit, the child molestation, the utter depravity of it all and kept the parts that celebrate the Divine, Family, Life and Spirit. Then, of course, it wouldn't be Islam.

Islam profoundly needs a Reformation and an Enlightenment. Barring that, and given Islam's present collision course with the Civilized World, seems the only option is annihilation for the them, or death for most of us and dhimmitude and a new Dark Age for the remaining few.

439 Atweber[deleted]  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:43:06pm
440 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:43:09pm

re: #409 pingjockey

OT The Rev. Wrong is getting a 10k square foot house on a gated golf course community, paid for by the church. And he told his flock to throw out typical middle class values. HYPOCRITE!

I guess he plans on spending retirement golfing with whitey

441 Tigger2005  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:43:32pm

So, I returned Tuesday night from a trip to Lviv, Ukraine ... the main purpose of the visit was to find a potential marriage partner, and I met a couple of possibilities, but will have to write to both of them more and possibly make another trip.

Among the things I noticed in Lviv ... many Christian churches, no mosques, and a living Christian faith. Although I'm an atheist, I found the failure of the Communists to stamp out Christianity very reassuring.

Lviv is a fascinating city. Thousand-year-old churches, grand statues and monuments, 18th-19th century buildings (many of them crumbling), dozens of shabby apartment buildings dating from the 50's to the 70's. Real estate prices are sky-high, and most people live in two-room apartments. Yet there are utterly modern casinos, discos, restaurants, and cafes, sleek storefronts offering the latest clothing and merchandise, malls, grocery stores, bowling alleys, toy stores with everything you can find at a Toys'R'Us (complete with children playing on a plastic gym set while their parents took pictures and video). Many of the women (much more so than in the U.S.) are slender, beautiful, and attractively dressed.

There are lots of cars on the road, but most people get around by walking or taking a tram, bus, or taxi. I got so used to this that I've beem more irritated than usual since I got back dealing with traffic and stupid drivers.

There's also a lot of art and culture there ... the Opera House is simply gorgeous and I wish I'd been able to see a performance. The only thing I really disliked were the customs officials at the airport ... they acted needlessly suspicious and rude and made you feel you were entering a totalitarian Communist state, despite the fact that Ukraine is a democratic, free-market country. I never felt threatened by anyone in the city itself, even by police and military personnel. In fact, I walked a mile or more around the central city at 11 p.m. and felt perfectly safe. I'm actually hoping I'll need to go back!

442 Tarkus289  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:43:36pm

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.

443 missouri boy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:43:59pm

Europe better brace itself for the coming seething and car burning swarms. I'm going long in the gold futures....just saying.

444 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:44:11pm

re: #438 Billy Hank

Islam profoundly needs a Reformation and an Enlightenment

Arguably, first they need a Pope.

445 Iron Fist  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:44:19pm

re: #439 Atweber,

Bottled sunshine.

Nothing more need be said.

446 nikis-knight  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:44:39pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

I was underwhelmed by the movie. He didn't burn or tear up the Quran as the rumours predicted. There wasn't anything in the movie that hasn't already been talked about by Spencer, Charles, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, etc. The only things noteworthy about it is the attempts to silence it and the possibility that it might get him killed.


I'm sure he thinks that that is quite noteworthy indeed.

I haven't seen it yet, I will and show it to the wife in an hour or so. Maybe it could be better, but some will see it who need to and hopefully learn. I mean, don't expect it to win the war of public opinion, but every bit helps.

447 non-croyant  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:44:51pm

re: #363 Clio

I haven't checked to see if it's credited or not, but, in addition to Tchaikovsky, Edvard Grieg's Ase's Death from the Peer Gynt suite is also prominent.

Now you know my real name, because I commented on it as comment number 8 on the Fitna Movie site.

448 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:45:31pm

re: #417 saberry0530

OT
FOx news talking about the 10 MILLION that TUCC (Obamas Church) is using to build the Rev Wright a retirement house. WTFO!

Please tell me I heard that wrong?

Pocket change for the Saudis, no big deal.

/a fitting reward for a lifetime of being a Muslim wolf in sheep's clothing teaching Wahabism in disguise

449 NoSubmission  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:45:37pm

Savages!

450 Elliot_dk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:47:04pm

re: #221 Clutch

I sure hope Honda chose another name for this car in Europe otherwise we know which one is gonna be the car-b-que of choice!

OT

Heh - Danish slang for c*nt

451 mikeinmd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:48:40pm

re: #434 pingjockey

Same here. Pure evil. Sticking their fingers in their ears, humming lalalalalala and wishing it would just go away isn't an option. My hope is for them to say ENOUGH, but I'm not holding my breath.

452 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:49:55pm

re: #435 Cognito

Render, yes, I'd agree with that -- in principle at least, as very few bloggers are producing a tiny fraction of the news -- but what does it have to do with what I posted?

Uh- the media also does not produce the news- they report it. Except when they make it up- then they're producing news.

453 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:50:40pm

re: #452 Sharmuta

Uh- the media also does not produce the news- they report it. Except when they make it up- then they're producing news.

Which they do all too often.

454 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:50:46pm

re: #452 Sharmuta

Ha

okay

455 nikis-knight  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:50:48pm

re: #294 Cathy in Northern Virginia

What is the difference between radical Islam and moderate Islam?

In some cases, ignorance. In others, apathy. In others, cognitive dissonance. And in some--opportunity.

Now, how do we tell them apart?

456 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:50:52pm

re: #451 mikeinmd
Nope. I fear it will take an even bigger Sept. 11 to wake up the sleeping masses. Then of course depending whom is in the White House, the other side will blame the Prez. Doesn't matter who it is.

457 non-croyant  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:51:30pm

And to make things more even confusing when it comes to the music - from the same Peer Gynt suite as Ase's Death, Edvard Gried also has a piece called Arabian Dance which, if not better than Tchaikovsky's "Arabian Dance," is much more fun.

458 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:51:52pm
Trinity United Church of Christ

Somewhere along the line Christ got lost in the shuffle.

/more like a radical mosque, only on Sundays

459 pat  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:52:13pm

Muslims should be happy with this. Lots of blood, gay hangings, infidel beheadings, women raped and tortured. All to the Suras. What is there not to love if you a death cultists.

460 Render  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:52:45pm

re: #407 didache

Comparing the IRA (who did work and train with Islamic terrorists) with modern day Islamic terrorism isn't valid.

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.

[Link: cain.ulst.ac.uk...]

Worldwide there is an example of Islamic terrorism occurring each and every single day, day after day.

10,798 Islamic terror attacks since 9/11.

[Link: www.thereligionofpeace.com...]

TRY
AGAIN,
R

461 Atweber[deleted]  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:52:50pm
462 rawmuse  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:53:03pm

My mother always used to tell me to pay attention to what people are saying, because it gives you clue as to what their intentions are. This film is remarkable, and I hope it gets wide attention.

463 BulgarWheat  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:53:14pm

Just watched the video. Had to go out on the back deck, I knew it would be too strong for the kids.

It left an impression.

Wilders did well.

9/11,...I'm still pissed off.

Farking animals, farking animals.

464 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:53:29pm

re: #455 nikis-knight
Very simple, if they are actively speaking out against the terrorists they're ok. Hmmm...Haven't heard about any of that.

465 Sifty  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:54:09pm

woohooo!

Lost some myspace friends with this one!

Up to 12 gone, and counting.

466 Tigger  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:54:18pm

re: #118 justamomof4

Is there a way to donate other than with PayPal account?

467 BulgarWheat  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:54:39pm

time to grab the bull camel by the balls and drive a message home.

468 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:54:53pm

re: #291 Sharmuta

The controversy is- the euro-islamists have already sent a clear message to europeans to keep their mouths shut with the killing of Theo Van Gogh- and despite this, a brave Dutchman stood up and said "No- I will speak the Truth". In their eyes- there is nothing more controversial than that!

You must be part of the group, the collective, in Eurabia. Dissent is, at minimum, frowned upon. For those like van Gogh, Wilders, Hershi Ali...obviously, their dissent is of capital measure.

469 Iron Fist  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:55:04pm

Goodnight, Guys and Dolls!

470 nyc redneck  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:55:18pm

this film is such an objective look at the horrors inspired by islam, the jihadis have no reason to seethe. this is who they are and what they do. this is islam. let the world behold the ropma and the horrendous behavior it inspires.

471 NoSubmission  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:55:36pm

I will never get over or past September 11, 2001.
I will never get over the shock of watching a human being beheaded.
I will never rest as I watch women being mutilated and murdered.
I will never ever submit to this garbage.
I will defend our freedom!

472 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:56:14pm

I watched the film. I was disappointed -- there's 10 times that much stuff in the Koran that's at least as bad.

In any event, no amount of fact or documentation can stir the cowards who would rather surrender to the enemy than defend their lives or those of others.

I feel sometimes like I'm in the middle of a circle, surrounded by murderous enemies, the cowardly politicians who enable them, neo-fascist thugs trying to take advantage of the situation to advance their agenda, and neo-Stalinists allying with the enemy. It's a perfect storm.

473 missouri boy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:56:16pm

What really chaps my ass is our State Dept and TPTB continually give top status to iZlamicacs coming to America. State Dept and W are importing 100,000's yearly...WHY?

474 zzzzzzzzzz.....  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:56:22pm

This is about the Saudis. They are promoting this Whabiism where violence is so common. The movie was not as controversial to me as I thought it would be. As an example when Christians get all crazy and stuff we arrest them and put them in jails... see David kouresh we don't say way to go man you are doing God's work there shooting at the ATF. We all, in our families have a shallow end of the gene pool but when they get out of hand they go to jail and are condemned by us all not praised!

475 Egfrow  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:56:27pm

The video was good. It needs to end with Stuck Mojo Video.

476 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:56:44pm

We should kidnap the holy vagina of mecca and hold it hostage until they lay down their arms.

477 vapig  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:56:58pm

It's their culture...

478 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:56:58pm

re: #419 Nevergiveup

That Black Liberation Theology Churches are a wholly owned subsidiary of The Nation Of ISLAM!

Is that a verifiable fact, or a bit of rhetoric? I agree with your point, but I was wondering if you could post a link to that, or further info...

I tell you one thing, I had to do a fair bit of clicking & reading on Obama's church's website before I found the words "Jesus Christ". I guess they're just not that into Him over there.

479 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:57:42pm

re: #468 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Bite your tongue! I'm a proud American.

480 NoSubmission  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:58:03pm

re: #472 Lucius Septimius
I thought it was good but it could have been even more forceful. Maybe we lizards are so used to this sort of thing. Perhaps it will have an impact on those less schooled in Islamists and their deeds.

481 libertexian  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:58:50pm

Thanx to Geert Wilders, the Scarlet Pimpernel and LiveLeak. This is a good example of the 'fitna' that is headed for the west.

I recommend a viewing of the film 'Obsession' as well.

482 mikeinmd  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:59:44pm

re: #440 bulwrk

I guess he plans on spending retirement golfing with whitey

USGA sent his card back. He listed his handicap as "Black American".

483 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 3:59:52pm

re: #455 nikis-knight


Now, how do we tell them apart?


When you listen to them if they start blaming the Jews for everything right out of the gate, they're radical.

If start off with how peaceful they are and then start blaming the Jews for everything, they're moderate.

484 Sifty  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:00:23pm

Spending our tax money building the trappings of modern civilizations in lands floating on a sea of oil...

Like me going out to lunch on the French Riviera with George Clooney and insisting on picking up the tab.

Then my whole family going on welfare to pay for it.

485 Nat-X  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:00:25pm

How did he ever make up his mind which beheading video to use? I mean, there were so many from which to choose.

486 Gordan the Fisherman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:00:43pm

I think it's great to get this out there, but any regular reader of this site in conjunction with say, Hot Air, could have made a better, or as good, video. I thought it was a slight let down.

Still good, but not what I expected.

487 Perplexed  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:00:51pm

I just saw the whole movie. I suspect that he will soon go into hiding to prevent his being murdered by followers of the prophet for profit in a feeble attempt to quench the blood thirst of the moon dog allan.

488 lobo91  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:00:53pm

re: #480 NoSubmission

I thought it was good but it could have been even more forceful. Maybe we lizards are so used to this sort of thing. Perhaps it will have an impact on those less schooled in Islamists and their deeds.

I think that was the idea. If you can get some relatively open-minded people to sit through a short film like this, maybe their eyes will be opened, and they'll be open to further information.

You can't club them over the head with a mass of stuff that contradicts what they've been told by the media, etc, and expect to get anywhere. They'll just stop listening.

489 erisldysnomia  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:01:34pm

Important point:

The reason Islamists hate this film is that it reveals to the public their "Protocols of the Elders of Mecca" plans to take over the world and destroy other cultures.

This makes taqiyyah ever more difficult, and they just can't have that.

Do you blame them for getting murderously furious at mere dhimmis ruining their plans for World Domination? How would you feel if someone utterly ruined YOUR well-crafted plans to take over the world?

(Think of poor 'Brain' from Pinky and the Brain, and try to be just a little more sensitive, will ya?)

/sarc

Oh ... and, Barack, how does this stuff conceptually differ from the things Rev. Wright and Amiri Baracka say?

/not sarc

490 zombie  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:01:52pm

Damn, if you check on LiveLeak, Fitna already has over 1.1 million views, and it's only been available for about 12 hours so far. That is an unbelievable download rate. And it doesn't take into account all the other online sources of the film.

491 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:02:00pm

If anyone See's OhNoSandPeople have him shoot me an e-mail

492 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:02:16pm

Does anybody kow if this video can be downloaded from anywhere? I'm not betting it will be available on Youtube for much longer, and it is vitally important that as many people as possible see this work.

Links much appreciated.

493 Russkilitlover  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:02:45pm

re: #486 Gordan the Fisherman

I think it's great to get this out there, but any regular reader of this site in conjunction with say, Hot Air, could have made a better, or as good, video. I thought it was a slight let down.
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But nobody did. He did. Go Geert!

494 NoSubmission  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:03:12pm

re: #492 Kenneth

Does anybody kow if this video can be downloaded from anywhere? I'm not betting it will be available on Youtube for much longer, and it is vitally important that as many people as possible see this work.

Links much appreciated.

495 friarstale  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:03:26pm

here's some home-grown blasphemy, too
[Link: cruxy.com...]

preview:
Mohammed hamed bo-bombhead, bonanna fanna fo fahmhead, fe fi mo mom-head, mohammed
(The Blasphemous Name Game)
(with pics, as you can imagine)

496 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:03:35pm

re: #476 pingjockey

We should kidnap the holy vagina of mecca and hold it hostage until they lay down their arms.

Let's do it. The black three-piece meteorite, a stationary target which their "religion" prohibits them from moving. It's located in an open air mosque and it's not far from the water. Any such operation is well within our military/paramilitary capabilities.

/I don't think a safe 45 minute air corridor over Saudi soil is too much to ask for

497 Tigger  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:03:37pm

re: #441 Tigger2005

Is tap water still running 2 hours in the morning and 2 hours at night?
I don't mean the best hotels, I mean regular homes.

498 Mardukhai  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:04:10pm

I graduated the most famous film school in the world. Half my classmates had doctorates in film or had already won Oscars. My best friend won an Oscar for a film he made there.

None of their work compares to this. The man is a cinematic genius.

Will he receive an Oscar?

Ha!

499 BBEV  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:05:04pm

re: #337 snowcrash

I was talking about before they hung them from the crane!
/s


Or dropped a wall on them.

500 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:05:33pm

re: #496 Killian Bundy
It is doable. Use all non US weapons and gear. Spec Ops team in and out.

501 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:05:36pm

re: #472 Lucius Septimius

I agree- there are certainly other surahs he could have gone with to illustrate the points he made more effectively. Perhaps he left that for a follow-up either by himself or others- or perhaps he thought the film was controversial enough without including those surahs? What he did quote was the tip of the iceberg.

502 solomonpanting  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:05:49pm

I totally agree with everything portrayed, and everything said by the Islamists. The only thing that truly offended me was the pic of our Beloved Mohammed with the turban bomb. Death to all Infidels!

//

503 Thanos  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:05:55pm

re: #492 Kenneth

Does anybody kow if this video can be downloaded from anywhere? I'm not betting it will be available on Youtube for much longer, and it is vitally important that as many people as possible see this work.

Links much appreciated.

I wouldn't sweat it friend, this video will be available in many places forever. Information can't be stopped, even the "Great Firewall of China" has holes.

504 Sifty  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:06:21pm

re: #498 Mardukhai

I don't know. The fist half of Braveheart is pretty bitchin'.

/

505 smokin' hamster  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:06:48pm

A MILLION views.

Wow.

506 Sifty  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:07:23pm

re: #500 pingjockey

It is doable. Use all non US weapons and gear. Spec Ops team in and out.

Send Philip Seymore Hoffman, he makes a damn fine agent.

507 Carolyn  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:07:57pm

re: #472 Lucius Septimius

Like Hugh Fitzgerald at Jihadwatch says, this should be part 1 of many more.

508 PloniAlmoni  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:07:58pm

re: #365 Thanos

Sources are in the credits at the end.

Not really. You typically want to attribute each quote to someone with a date, if you want to be credible. I liked the movie, but like I said, it just would be more useful to source everything since people that are new to this stuff might see it.

re: #412 mean Gene

Good point.
I'd love to go back through it second by second just to footnote it.
How would i go about doing that?


I have no idea, but Wilders ahould have done it when he made the movie. Still a good movie though.

509 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:08:14pm

re: #506 Sifty

Who?

510 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:08:22pm

re: #482 mikeinmd

USGA sent his card back. He listed his handicap as "Black American".

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

511 rappmandu  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:08:45pm

re: #503 Thanos

Information can't be stopped, even the "Great Firewall of China" has holes.

Yeah, but can you get past the Great Fingerpointer of China?

/

512 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:08:57pm

re: #496 Killian Bundy

I think it would be best not to hold it hostage, but to drop it in the most fiery active volcano you can find,

Or boost it to escape velocity into the sun.

That rock is a focus and a portal of evil an a veritable Tolkienesque way.

It should be destroyed.

513 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:08:57pm

re: #509 pingjockey

Who?

An actor.

/MI3

514 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:10:24pm

re: #482 mikeinmd

lol

515 debutaunt  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:10:27pm

re: #485 Nat-X

How did he ever make up his mind which beheading video to use? I mean, there were so many from which to choose.

It led to a discussion about which beheading it was. To me, it pointed out the number of beheadings.

516 Moody Leo  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:10:35pm

I know someone has probably commented on this but my kudos to Mr Wilders and and his co-author The Scarlet Pimpernel.

517 didache  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:10:49pm

re: #415 pingjockey

re: #430 Thanos

re: #460 Render

Point taken, folks. And believe me I'm on board with all of you. Yes, if you live in Bagdhad or Sderot terrorism is a daily event. I was, in my parochial way, referring more to Western Europe/ North America. And while the body count is undoubtedly higher for Islamic terrorism compared to Irish terrorism that does tend to hinge largely on 9/11 itself. If you live in the UK, like I do, there were the train bombings in London almost three years ago and that, pretty much, is that, apart from a few plots and the Keystone-cops attack on Glasgow airport (and yes, had that been successful we would be looking at a different picture). So, in the absence of further attacks (and no-one in their right mind is going to wish them) then we have the continuing demographic shift. I reiterate, this is the major problem. And there is no sign that the UK government, the opposition parties or the majority of the population know how to deal with this or, in point of fact, even want to think about this.
So good luck across the pond but I think my understanding of the state of play, in the UK at least, is on the money.

518 Thanos  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:11:00pm

re: #508 PloniAlmoni

I have no idea, but Wilders ahould have done it when he made the movie. Still a good movie though.


If you need to point friends to sources they aren't going to believe you anyway. This is graphic film and pictures all well-known and available from many sources. The majority of detail can be found at Memri, Jihadwatch, Here, and at several other blogs.

519 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:11:37pm

Well, I signed up for LiveLeak so that I could add videos like this to my Favorites, like I do on YouTube... but, there doesn't seem to be any button for that. And even when I'm logged in, the page with the video still shows the Login button and ives no indication that I'm logged in... but when I click on the Login button, the resulting screen shows "Hello NomadOfNorad" at the top, indicating that I'm already logged in...

And refreshing the video page has no effect on the status of the Login button.

Am I missing something?

520 Sifty  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:11:41pm

re: #509 pingjockey

Plays the CIA agent in Charlie Wilson's War.

521 rawmuse  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:11:42pm

re: #473 missouri boy

What really chaps my ass is our State Dept and TPTB continually give top status to iZlamicacs coming to America. State Dept and W are importing 100,000's yearly...WHY?

The State Dept is in the direct control of the House of Saud. What evidence do I have of that statement? Can you think of any other reason why State gets away with the outrageous actions that they do, day in, day out, week after week, and year after year?

522 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:12:23pm

re: #513 Killian Bundy
OK. if y'all say so. Boy wouldn't that frost their butts.
"Ahmed the holy hole is missing"!
"By the prophets navel, it is gone!"
"It is da joooooz"!

523 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:12:26pm

re: #507 Carolyn

Like Hugh Fitzgerald at Jihadwatch says, this should be part 1 of many more.

re: #501 Sharmuta

I agree- there are certainly other surahs he could have gone with to illustrate the points he made more effectively. Perhaps he left that for a follow-up either by himself or others- or perhaps he thought the film was controversial enough without including those surahs? What he did quote was the tip of the iceberg.

I hope there is more. I hope and pray that Wilders and other brave and talented men and women will fill the airwaves and the web with the truth. I

524 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:12:48pm

re: #519 NomadOfNorad

PIMF

ives = gives

525 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:13:02pm

re: #519 NomadOfNorad

THey are still getting slammed check this out;


Welcome, and thank you for visiting LiveLeak.com. Due to an increase in traffic and targetted hacking attacks, we have had to disable certain features. We hope you enjoy all that we have available at this time and we further hope that you will visit us again to explore the full range of features and interactivity that LiveLeak has to offer. If this is your first visit to LiveLeak.com we apologise for the fact your first impression of the site will be limited, check back in with us soon and you can join one of the most unique media sharing sites on the net offering everything from uncensored news through to entertainment. Thank you for your patience.

526 Thanos  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:13:18pm

re: #511 rappmandu

Yeah, but can you get past the Great Fingerpointer of China?

/

That would be google and Yahoo if you are speaking in terms of the net, the guy in the photo if not.

The fact that Nepal would allow the Chinese in doesn't bode well for their future.

527 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:13:59pm

re: #525 saberry0530

THey are still getting slammed check this out;


Welcome, and thank you for visiting LiveLeak.com. Due to an increase in traffic and targetted hacking attacks, we have had to disable certain features. We hope you enjoy all that we have available at this time and we further hope that you will visit us again to explore the full range of features and interactivity that LiveLeak has to offer. If this is your first visit to LiveLeak.com we apologise for the fact your first impression of the site will be limited, check back in with us soon and you can join one of the most unique media sharing sites on the net offering everything from uncensored news through to entertainment. Thank you for your patience.

Oh.... frak! I hope that changes soon...

528 zombie  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:14:21pm

re: #441 Tigger2005

So, I returned Tuesday night from a trip to Lviv, Ukraine ... the main purpose of the visit was to find a potential marriage partner, and I met a couple of possibilities, but will have to write to both of them more and possibly make another trip.

Do be very careful. I've heard some horror stories about Ukrainian gold-diggers. Very beautiful, they'll do and say anything to hook an American man and get to the US.

Once they're here and married to you and have citizenship, however -- watch out. They tend to either bail out on the marriage entirely, or drain your bank account, or openly consort with a Russian mob boyfriend.

Choose very wisely.

529 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:14:53pm

re: #527 NomadOfNorad
Not likely, it is like 1 mill views in 3 hours.

530 Thanos  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:15:04pm

re: #519 NomadOfNorad

Well, I signed up for LiveLeak so that I could add videos like this to my Favorites, like I do on YouTube... but, there doesn't seem to be any button for that. And even when I'm logged in, the page with the video still shows the Login button and ives no indication that I'm logged in... but when I click on the Login button, the resulting screen shows "Hello NomadOfNorad" at the top, indicating that I'm already logged in...

And refreshing the video page has no effect on the status of the Login button.

Am I missing something?

Try restarting your browser and logging in again. Also they are under heavy load and might have some features like upload constrained right now.

531 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:15:25pm

re: #494 NoSubmission

& #503 Thanos

thanks & true enough

like the poet said,

there are cracks in everything,
that's how the light gets in

G-d bless Geert Wilders for making this film.

532 Yogurt  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:16:28pm

Killian, "black three-piece meteorite"?
Jokes on them, it's actually petrified pig dung...

533 So?  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:17:14pm

And the "Moderate Muslims" would be where?

534 BGOH  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:17:24pm

You know, I have often had so of my more liberal friends ask me how history is going to remember George W. Bush, and then in the same breath go on and tell me that he will be remembered as a dictator, a thug, etc. I've been thinking about the question some since seeing this film, and the Islamic situation in much of Europe right now, and I honestly think that history will remember GWB quite positively.

Despite all of the tolerant, left-wing rhetoric that we are hearing right now about Islam, it is inevitable that one day, the veil will be ripped from it's face, and the true nature of Islam will be irrefutably revealed. At that point, the man who fought an "unnecessary immoral" war, I think, very well may be remembered as a man who put us in a position to fight this enemy of civilization and reason. I could be totally off my rocker, but it might be interesting food for thought.

535 Thanos  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:17:46pm

One other note: The upload "button" isn't a button -- it's tab next to the "home" tab upper left of the liveleak page.

536 saberry0530  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:18:12pm

OK what happened? Did someones comment get deleted?

537 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:18:47pm

re: #534 BGOH

You are probably right.

538 nyc redneck  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:18:53pm

re: #480 NoSubmission

I thought it was good but it could have been even more forceful. Maybe we lizards are so used to this sort of thing. Perhaps it will have an impact on those less schooled in Islamists and their deeds.

i think he was being very careful to make the film nothing but factual information so it can't be attacked as hyped up inflamatory anti-islamic propaganda. wilders simply shows what these savages have done, what is in the koran, and what the ranting imams incite. it's irrefutable. notice the disclaimer at the end abt not tearing out the page from the koran. he censored himself. he restricted his own right to rip that thing up so the savages can't fein any insults. ( btw, i hope he really did rip the page out. LOL)

539 zombie  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:19:28pm

re: #534 BGOH

It all depends on who will be doing the remembering. Will the Marxists retain control of academia? if so, Bush will be pilloried forever. If sane people can re-take the academy, then yes, Bush will get his rightful honors.

540 So?  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:20:08pm

I wonder what Obama would say.

I wonder wonder Rev. Wright would say.

I truly wonder.

541 mattm  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:22:27pm

Haven't watched the whole thing yet, but it looks very good. I guess the RoPer's and PC police will now try to get LGF called a 'hate site' by the Internet filtering companies again.

542 Render  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:22:40pm

re: #435 Cognito

If it would help you to understand, I could chainsaw the last paragraph of your #208. I was trying to avoid that though...

That there are many on the Left who think the MSM is owned/controlled/allied with President Bush only serves as yet more proof of the collective delusion of the Left. And I'm being kind in using the term "delusion," the alternative is outright treason.

That the vast majority of the MSM is biased firmly to the Left is undeniable and I think I've seen you agree with that too.

This film, while old news to us, needs to be seen by a viewing public has never seen it. They've never seen it because they rely on the old media for their daily information.

"Family viewing" is a weak and invalid excuse. We've already seen Janet Jackson's nipple and Brittany's crotch.

BROKENLAND
PARKWAY,
R

543 milesfromkansas  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:23:07pm

As was done by Robert Spencer, simply repeating the Islamists' own words is the most effective way of educating the (willfully) ignorant. I would rather see 10 one hour segments on this subject broadcast on PBS, BBC and CTV, but I kinda doubt that's ever going to happen... at least not until and if Christianity/Hinduism/Judaism prevails after WW4.

544 wanderer  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:23:22pm

# 377
Compassionate Warmonger

I to was in Switzerland and for more than a month visiting and living with good friends and acquaintances in that country. Newspapers in Switzerland like the US are in the hands of the elites and are nothing more than the pravda like spewers of the leftist line.
My Swiss friends, their associates, relatives and friends with whom I spoke with one exception, a retired pol saw the islamofascist immigrants as invaders of their country and the continent in a far different light than the media's useful idiots. I will lay odds that more newspapers in Switzerland printed the MO cartoons than did the US media. Remember that in the last election the anti-immigration, no mosque building party got a record precentage of the vote though the parties of the "center" ( a universal appelation for the uninformed) and the west hating left are still sleepwalking.
For a truly nanny state anaesthized media and public you need to travel to Norway and Sweden to meet the truly clueless largely leftist leaning brainwashed population bent on committing national suicide.

545 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:24:12pm

re: #540 So?

I wonder what Obama would say.

I wonder wonder Rev. Wright would say.

I truly wonder.

I think you could predict the "Reverend's" take -- we're infinitely worse.

As for Obama, which way is the wind blowing? Regardless, whatever he said it'd take an hour and a half to say and he'd end up taking every position on the compass.

546 nyc redneck  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:27:12pm

re: #533 So?

And the "Moderate Muslims" would be where?

at some point, it's going to be difficult to believe that the silent moslems aren't complicit .

547 Karridine  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:28:23pm

Downloading it now, (with a Firefox plugin) and will put it up on my websites, FOR FREE, and will send links to all my friends...

Thank G Wilders,
Thank you Charles!

548 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:28:47pm

re: #534 BGOH

Bush's overall strategy has been to engage moderate or pro-western players in the Muslim world to join the fight against the Islamofascists, and to make the fight "over there". Concurrent with the "kinetic" struggle has been the promotion of democracy in the Muslim world.

His execution of this strategy hasn't always been first rate, & the results to date have been mixed. Depending on how this plays out he will be remembered in history as an idealistic visionary, or a less than effective President of half-measures and stumbled starts.

The same opinions weighed on Winston Churchill in the muddled middle-going of WWII.

549 Larry L. Sharp  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:29:40pm

I applaud Geert Wilders' bravey and his concern for his countrymen.


Fitna, is an expression of his beliefs and concerns just as jihad, murder, terror, female genital mutilation are the result of following the Koran.


Fitna, does not expose anything new about Islam. Nor does it expose anything new about muslims or the Koran.


As a Pentecostal, my first and foremost concern for all people is their salvation. Yes, the violence and atrocities the Muslims commit are a grave concern but not nearly as much as seeing so many people wholly given to the idolatry of Islam. Their idolatry is what fuels their hatred, their arrogance, their murderous and destructive rages.


Idolatry is the problem.


The Koran is the means by which the fires of idolatry are stoked to a white hot fire.

550 MeatPopsicle  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:30:12pm

For the extended version of the movie, go to this website:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

It's the before it was made and the since it was made part of the movie.

Good luck Europe! Don't come crying to us for help when Muhammad conquers and enslaves your continent and makes Adolf Hitler look like Rue Paul. We're not bailing you out on this one. We have our own fight against the enemies of freedom and democracy to engage, and we'll not scurry into the shadows and cower like children when the boogey-man says "BOO!"

Doe voorzichtig! Veel geluk!

...

551 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:31:02pm

re: #547 Karridine

Really? Firefox lets you you download videos on stream? What's the plug-in?

552 johnny 100 pesos  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:31:04pm

re: #106 doublespeaknoevil

Such a terrible, awful evil.

Just before Christmas my husband and I were watching a movie that showed the Twin Towers magnificent and beautiful against the sky. We both burst into tears.

I experienced something similar recently. I was watching a silly movie (Men In Black) but in one scene all I could see were the towers in the background (it's the scene where Will Smith births an alien baby).

I guess you are safer with amphibious creatures from Omnicron 7 then you are with Jihadists.

553 godfrey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:31:53pm

Fifteen minutes of film, at the right intensity, is about right for most viewers.

Wilders didn't intend to make a documentary. Like an aphorist, he wants to be got by heart.

I hope he succeeds.

554 zombie  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:32:10pm

re: #551 Kenneth

Really? Firefox lets you you download videos on stream? What's the plug-in?

It's called "UnPlug" I think.

555 missouri boy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:33:25pm

re: #521 rawmuse

The State Dept is in the direct control of the House of Saud. What evidence do I have of that statement? Can you think of any other reason why State gets away with the outrageous actions that they do, day in, day out, week after week, and year after year?

On top of this...not one candidate for Pres. is going to change anything the State Dept. is doing...our candidates are part of the problem...just saying.

556 SusanL  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:34:10pm

re: #512 Ojoe

I have a companion book about The Tolkien books. In it it has a series of drawings showing how the flat "middle-earth" turned into our round earth. Guess where Mordor ends up? Smack dab in the Middle East.

Tolkien knew.

Susan

557 cornismagorniss  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:34:31pm

There is little I can add. Thank you, Mr. Wilders for using your talent and laying your life on the line. The film has already had a powerful effect. How rare it is that anyone genuinely speaks truth to power. G-d bless you for your courage and artistry. You will be in my prayers.

558 godfrey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:34:35pm

I have no idea where people get the idea that "there's nothing new here" is even remotely relevant.

If we had all studied Nazism for years, and along comes someone like Wilders in 1939 who makes a film about it after Kristallnacht, would you all say "ho hum, nothing new"?

559 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:35:10pm

re: #549 Larry L. Sharp

The Koran IS the idolatry. That's why they go nuts at any percieved "insult" to the book.

By the way, I was at a bookstore this evening & was pleased to see Manji's The Trouble with Islam on the same shelf with the Koran. That's what I call product placement!

560 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:35:34pm

re: #424 Iron Fist

How can anyone see the planes destroying the Two Towers and not be angry? I've already said what my response would have been.
We look weak to the Mohammedans. They see mercy as weakness. Perhaps they are correct in this.

They mostly operate with impunity when the attack Europe. But, when they attack us (America) either on the battlefield, or here at home they hear from us, and they hear us good. This is simplistic, but so - They hit us on 9/11, and since we've taken over two countries, and are now in the process of converting these two captured countries to allied democracies. There's no doubt they'll hit us again, and guess what? Down goes another country. It's a slow process. But we operate faster than Islam.

561 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:37:28pm

re: #554 zombie

Thanks.

Oh guess what? Tomorrow is Friday the Day of Prayer & Seething! Hold onto your hat (and the rest of your head).

562 greatdane  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:38:54pm

In the mountains of truth you never climb in vain.

563 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:39:22pm

re: #558 godfrey

I think it's more the sense that for those of us who've been paying attention, Wilders isn't telling us anything we didn't already know; and frankly, given the perverse willingness of the media and political elites to ignore the evidence that's already there, it can't help but make one skeptical about whether this will change anyone's mind who isn't already awake to the peril posed by Islam.

That said, you are right: we can never have too many films exposing the horrors of Nazism, and we can never have too many films exposing the horrors of Islamism.

564 uptight  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:40:07pm

re: #411 Sharmuta

The content is not new to us, no. What is new to us is the film in general- I now have another weapon at my disposal to turn to when I encounter the islamo-ignorant.

When word of this film first came to LGF, someone asked what a 15 minute film could do. I responded that Submission Part I was only 11 minutes and had changed my life. This film may very well have a similar impact on others. It is not too late. It will only be too late when the last infidel submits.

I just feel that we are the resistance - not the mainstream.

Films like Fitna can help enlighten the Islamo-ignorant, one by one, but we really need a mass popular movement

It can be done - look at how ordinary people have become concerned about something as insubstantial, ethereal and tenuous as "climate change".

You know it's a popular movement when manufacturers start reflecting it. Nowadays you can't buy a simple teeshirt without being offered a "green" alternative. Things have to be "fair trade", "carbon neutral", "ethically sourced" and biodegradable.

These are popular causes that have taken off thanks to subtle activism changing our culture.

Can the fight against islamofascism become equally mainstream? When will food be labeled as coming from a "non-sharia regime"? When will we insist on buying goods from Hijab-hostile sources?

What battles do we need to win before common sense prevails? I'd say the major battle is taking away the stigma from criticism of Islamism. Changing the perception from that created by the left (ie "racism") to something that ordinary decent people do. In the way we reject white supremacism, so should ordinary people be hostile to Islamism.

This is the battle we need to fight.

565 Russkilitlover  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:40:17pm

re: #550 MeatPopsicle

Europe won't come whining and crying. They are too busy buying up cheap American homes right now. It's a great time for buyers with Euros.

566 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:40:30pm

re: #542 Render

If it would help you to understand, I could chainsaw the last paragraph of your #208. I was trying to avoid that though...

That there are many on the Left who think the MSM is owned/controlled/allied with President Bush only serves as yet more proof of the collective delusion of the Left. And I'm being kind in using the term "delusion," the alternative is outright treason.

That the vast majority of the MSM is biased firmly to the Left is undeniable and I think I've seen you agree with that too.

This film, while old news to us, needs to be seen by a viewing public has never seen it. They've never seen it because they rely on the old media for their daily information.

"Family viewing" is a weak and invalid excuse. We've already seen Janet Jackson's nipple and Brittany's crotch.

BROKENLAND
PARKWAY,
R

A bit testy with that 'help you to understand' comment.

Regardless, I haven't said the media's not on the left. Of course it is. I'm saying that's got nothing to do with why you don't turn on your evening news and see people flying off the World Trade Center and splattering to their deaths.

It's simply too graphic for mass consumption, which is to say 'family viewing.' To say otherwise just isn't true, sorry. There may be a thin margin of people who want to see that while pouring a bowl of Cheerios, but the vast majority don't.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying we shouldn't remember September 11. I think we should hold it close to our hearts, keep our anger burning, and work every day to ensure it won't happen again. That's got nothing to do with imaginary 'withheld news' as one person put it.

And nothing to do with Janet Jackson or Britney Spears.

567 KSK  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:41:58pm

This must suck. They stocked up on Danish flags in Damascus and Tehran, and now they need Dutch ones.

Maybe Ebay can help

568 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:42:46pm

I didn't need to watch The Passion to know that being scourged with whips and then crucified is a bad way to die.

I didn't have to see Berg or Anderson beheaded with dull knives to know that's a bad way to die.

And I don't have to see the Twin Towers fall again to get angry. I'm still pissed over seeing them fall the first time.

Some things you only have to see once. That's enough. That'll do. Once is quite enough.

569 sharon  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:42:56pm

That is quite simply the most powerful film I have ever seen.

Wow.

570 footballfan0786  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:43:15pm

Glad to see this finally come out. I can't wait to hear/see this spun by CAIR (Council for Arogant Islamic Racists).

..footballfan

571 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:45:06pm

re: #118 justamomof4

In case video taken down . . .FITNA also available here:

[Link: video.google.com...]

[Link: www.liveleak.com...]

or download here: [Link: cdn.liveleak.com...]

Torrent: [Link: www.mininova.org...]

RapidShare (English): [Link: rs34.rapidshare.com...]

The bittorrent currently has over 100 peers seeding-it'll likely be your fastest bittorrent download ever.

572 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:45:50pm

re: #294 Cathy in Northern Virginia

What is the difference between radical Islam and moderate Islam?

Abuser and Enabler.

573 Kirly  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:46:09pm

re: #566 Cognito

It's simply too graphic for mass consumption, which is to say 'family viewing.'

get a grip cog. that is nothing compared to the steady diet of hate and violence that those same networks spew night after night in primetime as enterntainment!

and another thing... who the hell are you/they to decide what is "too graphic" for "family viewing"? that's for families to decide!

574 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:47:30pm

re: #573 Kirly

It takes a family, not a village.

575 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:48:32pm

re: #391 UberInfidel67

I didn't read all the post here so if this was already pointed out: If you install RealPlayer 11, in setup there is an option for a "download this video" button. It will appear whenever you watch a video on Live Leak or YouTube. This way, you save your own copy into your library. Not sure about sharing or burning copies yet.

There are plenty of other ways to save LiveLeak/YouTube videos that don't involve infecting your computer with RealPlayer.

576 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:48:47pm

re: #563 Lucius Septimius

As a film, it's good solid information. Nothing new to those who have been paying attention, but effectively presented. But as a political act, it is first rate. The build up and delivery were brilliant. Wilders knew what he was doing to release it on Thurday evening. You can bet that among the million plus viewers so far are more than a few Islamists. They have surfed over from their headchopping & man-boy sex videos to check out the latest infidel outrage.

Tomorrow the mosques will burst forth with rioting mobs after the imams will fill the ears of the faithful with venom and hysteria. That too is part of Wilder's campaign.

577 Kirly  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:49:13pm

re: #575 JamesTKirk

well, come on, spill!

578 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:49:53pm

re: #512 Ojoe

I think it would be best not to hold it hostage, but to drop it in the most fiery active volcano you can find,

Or boost it to escape velocity into the sun.

That rock is a focus and a portal of evil an a veritable Tolkienesque way.

It should be destroyed.

Or just have a B-2 nail it with one of the new 500lb. JDAM

Kabba go Blammo!

/no collateral damage to the mosque

579 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:50:44pm

re: #573 Kirly

get a grip cog. that is nothing compared to the steady diet of hate and violence that those same networks spew night after night in primetime as enterntainment!

and another thing... who the hell are you/they to decide what is "too graphic" for "family viewing"? that's for families to decide!

I'm not deciding. I'm explaining.

Those families do decide, with their letters, calls and votes -- and they have, over time, decided on certain standards.

Of course, if you can cite the 'primetime entertainment' that includes documentary footage of people falling to their deaths, I'll rethink my opinion.

580 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:51:11pm

re: #389 pingjockey

OOOH! I want some. The Defense Logistics Agency mistakenly sent some Nuclear Warhead fuses to Taiwan.

Not my fault; I haven't been to DLA HQ since BRAC closed Cameron Station.

581 dammad  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:51:11pm

Watched it ....wow. Again, my question to all of the moderate, peace loving Muslims out there....WHY do you stay in this religion? Especially Muslims living in US and Europe...you CAN convert. It's ok to do that here. Even secretly if you need to hide it from your family. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone can rationalize staying in a religion so hateful and frightening. On some Sunday, why don't you mosey on in to a Catholic Mass, (only thing I know, maybe others can suggest theirs, just maybe not Rev. Wright's church, ha ha!) I guarantee you will hear a loving, positive message, that affirms life, not death. Try it, you'll like it.

582 EC Marm  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:51:16pm

re: #551 Kenneth

Really? Firefox lets you you download videos on stream? What's the plug-in?


This one is good:
[Link: addons.mozilla.org...]

583 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:51:26pm

re: #571 David IV of Georgia

Thanks, I too was looking for just such a list of links. Excellent

584 rorschach  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:52:03pm

Wilders is one valiant son-of-a-gun.

God, if you're out there, he could use a little extra looking after.

585 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:52:08pm

re: #576 Kenneth

Tomorrow the mosques will burst forth with rioting mobs after the imams will fill the ears of the faithful with venom and hysteria. That too is part of Wilder's campaign.

Let's hope that the media will let us see it, and that no one gets killed in the process.

586 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:52:30pm

re: #301 snowcrash

I am glad Wilders did nothing to the Koran. He cannot be tagged with the hate label and silenced for merely showing Islam in Islams own words and deeds. Nothing provocative, just facts.

In Islam's case the facts ARE provocative.

The least tolerent "religion" on the planet

587 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:52:37pm

re: #578 Killian Bundy

We should not anymore worry about collateral damage,

we should do some;

The islamics once they know that we don't worry anymore about collateral damage, will be more chary about attacking, and we will be safer.

588 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:52:40pm

re: #572 JamesTKirk

Abuser and Enabler.

bad cop & good cop.

589 right_wing2  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:52:56pm

How can I save this to my computer?

590 Kirly  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:53:01pm

re: #579 Cognito

Of course, if you can cite the 'primetime entertainment' that includes documentary footage of people falling to their deaths, I'll rethink my opinion.

stop moving the goalposts. i thought it was all about families, you know, the children. well, children can't tell the difference between documentaries and fictional crap on tv.

591 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:53:22pm

re: #441 Tigger2005

Lviv is a fascinating city.

The people who named it, however, had only a spotty grasp of how Roman numerals work.

592 Londonpride  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:54:35pm

re: #322 BBEV

But Iran does not have any gay people.

Well, give them time, they are working on it .....

593 Pickle  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:55:01pm
Tomorrow the mosques will burst forth with rioting mobs after the imams will fill the ears of the faithful with venom and hysteria. That too is part of Wilder's campaign.

I think not, since Wilders did not actually desecrate a koran in the film. In fact, I believe that most of those creatures will find themselves shrugging their shoulders at what is depicted in Fitna and wondering what all the fuss is about. After all, to them, all that gore and violence is normal. Par for the course.

594 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:55:08pm

re: #590 Kirly

stop moving the goalposts. i thought it was all about families, you know, the children. well, children can't tell the difference between documentaries and fictional crap on tv.

Moving the goalposts?

You might want to consider the irony in that. I was talking about mainstream newscasts and newspapers. You mentioned 'primetime entertainment.' I asked you for an example.

That's moving the goalposts?

595 patrickafir  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:55:43pm

Bravo. Wilders is doing nothing more than impeding the West's tendency toward complacence. The ghastly images in that film are no less (or should be no less) important for us to see now than they were at the time of their occurrence.

Donating to the Dutch PVV is a great idea:

Please support our struggle. The battle for the survival of freedom is not something we can do all by ourselves. Party for Freedom (PVV) is the only political party in Dutch Parliament that refuses government subsidy. Therefore, we are dependent on your support. We need your help urgently, as costs are mounting. Freedom isn’t free.

(Emphasis mine.)

Weblog Geertwilders

596 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:55:49pm

re: #587 Ojoe

We should not anymore worry about collateral damage,

we should do some;

The islamics once they know that we don't worry anymore about collateral damage, will be more chary about attacking, and we will be safer.

/well, then go with the 2000 pounder for shock and awe

597 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:56:52pm

re: #492 Kenneth

Does anybody kow if this video can be downloaded from anywhere? I'm not betting it will be available on Youtube for much longer, and it is vitally important that as many people as possible see this work.

Links much appreciated.

Get it off of LiveLeak if you can. The quality will probably be better.

598 Ojoe  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:57:10pm

re: #596 Killian Bundy

I am a knuckle dragger

Bye for now.

599 Tigger  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:57:11pm

re: #137 bulwrk

re: #591 JamesTKirk

Why would they care? The people who named Lviv wrote in Cyrillics.

600 Kim Hartveld  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:57:19pm

Uberdhimmi Balkenende has denounced the release and claims it was clearly intended just to hurt peoples feelings.
Comments on Dutch blogs show total and utter disgust over these remarks. The vomit comes splattering off my screen.

601 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:57:22pm

re: #589 right_wing2

see #582 EC Marm for a link to a plug-in that will let you download streamed videos.

602 Kirly  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:57:33pm

re: #594 Cognito

oh brother. NBC, ABC, CBS et al has "news" and entertainment. you're trying to say that they're all concerned with families and children from 5-7 pm. and i'm pointing out how hypocritical that is since they clearly don't give a rats ass for the 3 or 4 hours after that.

603 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:59:14pm

re: #602 Kirly

oh brother. NBC, ABC, CBS et al has "news" and entertainment. you're trying to say that they're all concerned with families and children from 5-7 pm. and i'm pointing out how hypocritical that is since they clearly don't give a rats ass for the 3 or 4 hours after that.

All right.

So you're arguing that footage of people tumbling from the World Trade Center to their deaths is appropriate viewing material for evening newscasts, etc.

That's cool. At least you know where you stand.

604 BGOH  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 4:59:14pm

A thought just occurred to me - does anyone know of a reputable Dutch newspaper with an online English version that might be covering the reaction to this film? I don't expect much of anything out of our own media, and I would really like to know how Geert's own people react to this.

In a good or bad way, I think their reaction may be somewhat of a "canary in the cave," as it were.

605 Kirly  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:00:10pm

re: #603 Cognito

well, if it bleeds, it leads, right? that's the motto, isn't it?

606 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:00:54pm

re: #605 Kirly

well, if it bleeds, it leads, right? that's the motto, isn't it?

That's the position you favor, at least.

607 Kirly  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:01:36pm

re: #606 Cognito

hardly. you know darn well that's the motto of your chosen profession. don't try and lay that crap on me!

608 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:03:16pm

re: #607 Kirly

hardly. you know darn well that's the motto of your chosen profession. don't try and lay that crap on me!

No, Kirly, it's not a 'motto.'

It's an ironic statement.

And yes, I will lay it on you, because you're the one here arguing that position. So pick which you believe: It either is or isn't fit for 'family viewing.' You can't have it both ways.

609 Tigger  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:04:30pm

re: #593 Pickle

Like you are talking about rational disagreement!
It won't matter. None of the wrathful and vengeful Muslims in the crowds will have even seen the movie.
A while ago Soviet people were denouncing Pasternak in repetitive speeches that began with "I have not read "Doctor Zhivago," but...
Khrushchev denounced modern art at the same time claiming there is no need to see the actual works of art. "You don't want a snake to bite you just to make sure it's poisonous," he said.
There is a lot in common between Communism and authoritarian ideology, and Islam is not an exception.

610 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:05:15pm

re: #577 Kirly

well, come on, spill!

[Link: www.google.com...]

611 Kim Hartveld  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:05:50pm

BGOH 3/27/08 4:59:14 pm
Many Dutch consider it a cheap cut and paste job, with no added value. And blame their Prime Minister for hyping it worldwide for no good reason.

612 Kirly  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:06:04pm

re: #608 Cognito

reality is a necessary and important part of life in a free society.

also in a free society, the parents in a family will determine what their children see on the boob toob.

613 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:07:45pm

re: #588 Kenneth

re: #572 JamesTKirk
re: #294 Cathy in Northern Virginia
What is the difference between radical Islam and moderate Islam?

Abuser and Enabler.

bad cop & good cop.

Punch and Judy.

614 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:08:08pm

re: #612 Kirly

reality is a necessary and important part of life in a free society.

also in a free society, the parents in a family will determine what their children see on the boob toob.

Okay. So you're saying it should be on the evening newscast.

Stand up. Just say what you mean.

And Kirly, really: The dinging thing is a bit silly.

615 infidel4ever  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:08:11pm

Well, let me give you a short update on the Netherlands post-Fitna.

Dutch Parliament has been closed off. No idea why.

Our prime minister Balkenende has once again put on clean underwear. He has also made a speech in which he regrets that Geert Wilders has seen fit to release Fitna. The movie creates an image that equates Islam with violence. He "rejects that misrepresentation". He is happy with the balanced reactions of Dutch Muslims and their organizations.

Geert Wilders (probably by accident) used the (Bouyeri look-alike) picture of a rapper, Salah Edin, instead of the picture of Mohamed Bouyeri, the murderer of Theo van Gogh. That rapper hates him and will probably sue.

Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard is cross because Wilders apparently used the Mohamed cartoon without his permission and violated his copyright.

Tomorrow the court is hearing an appeal from a Dutch Muslim organization to prevent Wilders from releasing the movie. Don't ask me why this is still on the rolls...

A lawyer has already filed a complaint against Wilders for "inciting hatred against Muslims" with his movie. Funny, I thought all the hate came out of those Quran texts...

Meanwhile the police, co-operating with the Public Prosecutor, have prepared standard forms for people who want to file a complaint against Wilders. This is so they can "retain uniformity", as they expect a stream of complaints against Wilders. Complainants only have to fill in the name of Geert Wilders, the name of the movie, and they can then choose from several (law) articles, such as religious discrimination. Want to join the legal jihad against Wilders? Here is your multiple choice form...

I don't know how many people will get the message that Islam is not peace because of this movie. But one thing it has done and that is to show the absolute craven cowardice of the "leaders" of this country (and our religious "leaders"). People are already comparing it with the situation before WWII, when any criticism of Hitler was suppressed by classifying it as "insulting the head of a friendly nation". Well, we all know how that worked out...

However, in a poll the other day 57 % of the people thought that the mass immigration of Muslims into my country was "the biggest mistake we ever made in our history". There is still hope.

616 Areopagitica  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:08:22pm

Everyone in western civilization should see this. GASP, a film showing islamists preaching race hatred, genocide and then committing murder, dragging corpses through the streets helped by children, all in the name of islam.

I especially like the part where the imam calls for his followers to cut the throats of jews and then draws a sword from a sheath. Frickin brilliant to get that in there Gert.

The Al Qaeda beheading film will probably not allow me to sleep tonight.

These people want us dead. The dems should be ashamed of themselves for thinking we can negotiate with these people. Wake up Obama.

617 Carolyn  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:09:54pm

There is always the Dutch News

618 Kirly  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:11:18pm

re: #614 Cognito

And Kirly, really: The dinging thing is a bit silly.

that is what it's for. you can turn it off in your user preferences if you like or complain to charles about it.

619 carray  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:11:23pm

I watched, and, throughout, all I could hear was this:

"Sieg, heil! Sieg, heil! Sieg, heil! Sieg, heil! Sieg, heil! Sieg, heil! Sieg, heil! Sieg,...!"

Geert Wilders has warned us. That canary in the mine (Israel) has been ignored by Europe; now the toxic smoke has reached and spread through Europe. How many Europeans will die before they vent the mine?

620 sparrowlake  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:16:58pm

re: #566 Cognito

You cite the scene of the woman holding the "God Bless Hitler" sign as a particularly powerful segment. This is precisely the kind of segment that the MSM should and could be showing in prime time without offending your erstwhile concern for the sensibilities of the mass television audience.

The twin towers footage has been aired so many times already (including the images of those who jumped to their deaths) that I find your objections inapplicable to this portion. However, those few frames could easily be censored by the networks if deemed appropriate without seriously violating the integrity of the piece.

The bloody murder and decapitation footage could also be easily censored to obscure the most offensive frames, and if done well the horror of the relevant scenes would possibly even be enhanced.

There is no problem with showing the Quaran scenes and the Islamofascist rants.

There is therefore no question in my mind that the MSM could, if so inclined, show enough of the documentary to serve the public interest and at the same time be substantially faithful to the piece.

621 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:17:20pm
Anti-Koran film goes live on Web
...The production, difficult to view because of many downloads, ends with a Danish cartoon of the prophet Muhammed hit apparently by a bomb...

WTF?

622 Palandine  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:18:50pm

I have dial-up. I had to let this buffer for 2 hours to see it.

It was worth it.

Geert Wilders, this brave, brave man, is going to be known someday as one of the great heroes of this long war.

This film's gonna leave a mark. Nothing in there but verses from the Koran (spit) and the Islamists' own words. This film will open people's eyes. It's gone viral now. Censorship couldn't stop it, Pakistan couldnt stop it, everyone can see now.

I'm sure someone's beaten me to it, but

"You can't stop the signal."
--Mr. Universe, "Serenity"

/heading off for a bit to organize the preparedness bunker.

623 DistantThunder  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:20:17pm

If you only understood it in context.......

624 jcbunga  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:20:29pm

Remarkable film, I hope the message gets traction.

Thanks for making it available.

This is truly the scourge of our age.

Be brave people.

625 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:20:46pm

re: #623 DistantThunder

If you only understood it in context.......

And could see the nuance...

626 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:20:48pm

re: #620 sparrowlake

You cite the scene of the woman holding the "God Bless Hitler" sign as a particularly powerful segment. This is precisely the kind of segment that the MSM should and could be showing in prime time without offending your erstwhile concern for the sensibilities of the mass television audience.

The twin towers footage has been aired so many times already (including the images of those who jumped to their deaths) that I find your objections inapplicable to this portion. However, those few frames could easily be censored by the networks if deemed appropriate without seriously violating the integrity of the piece.

The bloody murder and decapitation footage could also be easily censored to obscure the most offensive frames, and if done well the horror of the relevant scenes would possibly even be enhanced.

There is no problem with showing the Quaran scenes and the Islamofascist rants.

There is therefore no question in my mind that the MSM could, if so inclined, show enough of the documentary to serve the public interest and at the same time be substantially faithful to the piece.

Yes, of course. But I wasn't referring to the documentary. The last paragraph was addressed to Charles's statement about "video of people jumping from the Twin Towers on 9/11—footage that has been hidden away by the mainstream media."

627 Carolyn  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:20:48pm

re: #621 JamesTKirk

WTF?

Wow, makes for a good story.
Too bad it's a lie.

628 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:22:09pm

re: #618 Kirly

that is what it's for. you can turn it off in your user preferences if you like or complain to charles about it.

Oh, ha -- it doesn't bother me, Kirly. I was trying to save you the trouble.

Ah well. Have at it.

629 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:22:54pm

Wow....

....just wow.

A curse be upon Muhammad & his pagan Babylonian moon-god "allah", as well.

May they both rot in hell forever & ever & ever for the curse they have brought on mankind.

~ENT

/forever!

630 brakes  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:25:06pm

Just watched it with my husband. Thank you, Charles for showing this.

631 gman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:25:35pm

re: #471 NoSubmission

I will never get over or past September 11, 2001.
I will never get over the shock of watching a human being beheaded.
I will never rest as I watch women being mutilated and murdered.
I will never ever submit to this garbage.
I will defend our freedom!

as long as a good portion of us have your attitude, the jihadis will never trample over our beloved freedoms.

632 dammad  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:26:00pm

re: #568 razorbacker

I'm so with you on that. My lib friends ask me why I'm "still" so angry. I just shake my head at them in awe.

633 Whole Wheat Bagel  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:28:31pm

There's a Muslim response up on the site now.

634 JamesTKirk  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:28:52pm

re: #632 dammad

I'm so with you on that. My lib friends ask me why I'm "still" so angry.

Are they still angry about the 2000 election? Reagan? Vietnam? Why is it that only we have to "move on"?

635 Friend of USA  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:28:53pm

Where can I buy Fitna on DVD?

Anyone?

636 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:29:31pm

re: #616 Areopagitica

These people want us dead. The dems should be ashamed of themselves for thinking we can negotiate with these people. Wake up Obama.

You're wrong, Areopagitica: you can negotiate with these people.

The Navy SEALS and Army Rangers have been proving that for the last 7 years or so.... (Click link to view "negotiations" in real-time) [Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

~ENT

637 oonly  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:29:34pm

Nothing new in this film that we don't read about everyday. The protests should be aimed at the vile individuals that propagate the the violence towards unbelievers .

638 MAV  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:30:18pm

I just sent this link to my entire mailing list.
ROP
Spits & spits again

Wake up America before it's too late

639 sparrowlake  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:31:09pm

re: #626 Cognito

Yes, of course. But I wasn't referring to the documentary. The last paragraph was addressed to Charles's statement about "video of people jumping from the Twin Towers on 9/11—footage that has been hidden away by the mainstream media."

I therefore take it that you agree that virtually the entire piece should be shown on the 6 o'clock news.

640 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:33:48pm

re: #639 sparrowlake

I therefore take it that you agree that virtually the entire piece should be shown on the 6 o'clock news.

Virtually, yes, although I haven't been able to watch the last of it. It conked out and I haven't been able to get it up and running again.

My feelings on that are really no mystery. In the original post I made it very clear which passage I was addressing.

641 skembo  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:33:54pm

I'm sitting with my daughter on my lap watching this, and it's clear. The war is for her future. Not just hers, but the future of her daughters and grand-daughters. If they would actuall play this during the news hour we might get somewhere.

642 right_wing2  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:34:20pm

re: #601 Kenneth

Thanks! Glad I use Firefox :)

643 Wilderstad  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:34:24pm

re: #294 Cathy in Northern Virginia

I don't know if this has been addressed, as you can see I'm only half way through this thread. Cathy yes, that's a celebration of Ashura by Shia Muslims. The woman/girl with her legs tied together is a victim of Female Genital Mutilation.
Difference between moderate Islam and radical Islam - none. They both follow the Qu'ran and Hadiths, and consider Mohammed the last prophet and messenger.
However, there probably are many moderate Muslims who were born into the religion but don't practice anything but the Eid's and Ramadan.

644 dammad  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:35:00pm

re: #634 JamesTKirk

Of course they are. You hit the nail on the head.

645 kywrite  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:36:11pm

My husband will have to see this when he gets back from sea tomorrow or Saturday.

I just keep thinking about my men in the military. If these monsters could get hold of them, or of us, they wouldn't just kill them. And then I have to stop myself thinking what could happen because, you know, my son could get shipped over there. My husband is regularly in Muslim-controlled areas. It's not just a thought exercise -- there but for the grace of God --

This isn't just a murdering religion, not this branch. This is a sick, vile, twisted, monstrous cancer. It is a religion of sadists, not martyrs. If this is truly, truly unleashed upon the world -- worse than it already has been -- it will make the Holocaust look like a footnote.

If only I could get that through to those who think we can just talk our way through this. If only I could.

646 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:36:15pm

re: #633 Whole Wheat Bagel

There's a Muslim response up on the site now.

Got about 5 minutes into this, takkiya, lies, bull shit, deception, the words all fit. Couldnt handle anymore. Sorry, what they say, and what they do, are at opposite ends of the universe.

647 ContraJihadi  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:37:47pm

Ah, Cognito,

Now that I have read more of your comments, I take back what I said earlier about lack of fellow feeling. You seem to care enough to want to help the lizard army along the path to close reading, even though, like Socrates, you also seem to enjoy παιζων προ υμας.

648 mean Gene  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:38:31pm

re: #633 Whole Wheat Bagel

There's a Muslim response up on the site now.

Jeepers, does he ever get to a point?

649 Sifty  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:38:55pm

re: #636 EtNorskTroll

That payback tasted better than a nice cool Guinness.

650 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:40:29pm

re: #641 skembo

I'm sitting with my daughter on my lap watching this, and it's clear. The war is for her future. Not just hers, but the future of her daughters and grand-daughters. If they would actuall play this during the news hour we might get somewhere.

I beg to differ, the war is here and now. We are in a war, just not "at war". Other than theatres that are obvious, most of the world would have no idea that the war started ages ago and is building to a climax. If you havent done, get ready and prepare your kids, prepare your home, ask yourself questions like "Can I protect my kids and meet their needs if the power goes off, the water stops, rioting starts?"

Get ready, now.

651 BGOH  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:41:15pm

re: #615 infidel4ever

Thanks for the rundown, I4E. Sadly, I'm not surprised by anything you have listed. Very sadly. Thank the Lord for people like you.

652 sparrowlake  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:44:14pm

re: #640 Cognito

Virtually, yes, although I haven't been able to watch the last of it. It conked out and I haven't been able to get it up and running again.

My feelings on that are really no mystery. In the original post I made it very clear which passage I was addressing.

Excellent - please forgive me. I assume you are now possibly hedging only on the cartoon segment. Quite frankly, I don't care whether MSM shows that particular image, although their failure to do so would be based on simple PC and fear rather than any concern that it would be too bloody or gruesome to show to a mass audience.

653 right_wing2  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:44:41pm

ok, now that I've got this downloaded, what can I use to view it? I've tried 'Real' 'Windows Media Player' and 'Quicktime'

654 Killian Bundy  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:45:44pm

Anger as anti-Islam film posted on internet

DUTCH Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende says his Government rejects the interpretation of Islam presented by far-right politician Geert Wilders in a short film posted on the internet.

"The film equates Islam with violence. We reject that interpretation,'' said Mr Balkenende at a press conference shortly after the film, titled Fitna, appeared on the LiveLeak video sharing website.

In a short statement delivered both in Dutch and in English, Mr Balkende said the Government "regrets'' that Wilders released his 17-minute movie on the internet, as he had been vowing to do.

"We believe it serves no purpose other than to offend,'' he said.

/equating Islam with violence is not an "interpretation", it's the truth

655 mean Gene  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:47:40pm

OK, who has a link to the report that a group of Muslims tried to put together an anti-fitna movie with Jews and Christians holding ''Stone them!" signs or whatever.....but they couldn't compile anything of value and knew faking it wouldn't fly?
I need the link.

656 mellymel  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:48:50pm

re: #475 Egfrow

The video was good. It needs to end with Stuck Mojo Video.

Thanks. I needed that.

/Bring it bee-ach-es!

657 ethanxxx  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:49:08pm

re: #353 Killian Bundy

It Was Sarcasm! How the F**K could anybody NOT see that? And stay away from my ass!

658 infidel4ever  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:49:49pm

re: #651 BGOH

Thanks!

659 bubbalouey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:51:30pm

re: #648 mean Gene

Jeepers, does he ever get to a point?

Yes:
It's all semantics, we all love one another once we get past the semantics.

660 JenBee  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:53:52pm

Overall, I thought it was a good film. But I believe that more Quran quotes should have been used. There are literally tens of quotes that more strongly represent, for instance, the demand for open-ended war of Muslims against unbelievers, the degrogatory terms used for non-Muslims (the only mention of that in the film was the little girl who stated that Jews are pigs and apes; isn't that directly in the Quran?), the sanctioned subjugation of women, etc. There are more offensive, shocking, and barbaric quotes to come from that book than the small handful Mr Wilders used.

I also think he could have used headlines that more strenuously showed the Sharia creep across Europe -- the cemeteries being built facing Mecca; jail cells being painted with an arrow pointing to Mecca; pig and pork references, toys, and food being placed off-limits so as not to offend Muslims; British history being altered and re-written so as not to offend Muslims while also giving them more credit for small accomplishments around the world; the drastic increase in honor killings; etc.

I would have liked to see more quotes from the Quran that sanction lashings and stonings as punishment for 'adultery' -- especially with the recent uproar over the Saudi rape victim who received 200 lashes. In the same vein, I would have liked to see some Quran quotes regarding beheading, and also about the amputation of limbs as punishment for crimes such as theft (I've seen some really awful, graphic pics of victims of these amputations; I've heard it's in the Quran that this punishment is meted out with NO anethesia given to the victim, but I do not know if this is true).

Lastly, I also would have REALLY liked to see a short montage of 'moderate' and recognizable Muslim leaders all stating that Islam forbids violence against innocent civilians, and afterwards, running a clip from Anjem Choudhury speaking in a UK interview and calmly, clearly stating that by definition, non-Muslims are not innocent because they have chosen to not accept Islam (that video is at JihadWatch here: null).

I understand he only had 15 or so minutes, and I also understand that the information Mr Wilders DID include is incredibly enlightening, and is also more accurate than nearly every MSM piece about Islam... but I still think that he could have made a strong point. I also recognize that by keeping it a bit lighter than the issues I raised above, he has more of a chance at not putting-off some ppl who would normally never watch anything like it.

661 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:54:09pm

re: #652 sparrowlake

Excellent - please forgive me. I assume you are now possibly hedging only on the cartoon segment. Quite frankly, I don't care whether MSM shows that particular image, although their failure to do so would be based on simple PC and fear rather than any concern that it would be too bloody or gruesome to show to a mass audience.

No. It's just that, like I said, I've not been able to view the last portion yet.

662 Etaoin Shrdlu  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:56:24pm

re: #653 right_wing2

ok, now that I've got this downloaded, what can I use to view it? I've tried 'Real' 'Windows Media Player' and 'Quicktime'

VLC plays pretty much everything.

663 BGOH  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:56:39pm

re: #658 infidel4ever

I wasn't looking for thanks, but thanks anyways. lol

I am truly grateful for people who value reason over emotion, and you are clearly one of those people. I wish there were more of us. I truly, truly do.

664 lobo91  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:57:17pm

re: #646 A Kiwi Infidel

what they say, and what they do, are at opposite ends of the universe.

Close. What they say to us, and what they do, perhaps. But not what they say to each other.

665 Carolyn  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:57:57pm

The comments at the movie site are getting interesting.
I do not understand what the moslems are carping about.
It was quotes from the Quran and film of Friday pep rallies,
what is to argue about?

666 Wookieelips  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 5:58:24pm

If I lived in the Netherlands, I would start making Wilders wigs, then everyone could wear them on the streets in a show of solidarity. Also, it would be harder for the jihadis to find him.
Hee hee

667 Wookieelips  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:00:16pm

re: #665 Carolyn

The comments at the movie site are getting interesting.
I do not understand what the moslems are carping about.
It was quotes from the Quran and film of Friday pep rallies,
what is to argue about?

They don't want anybody watching what they really do.
It's like, mean or something.

668 PloniAlmoni  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:01:16pm

re: #518 Thanos

If you need to point friends to sources they aren't going to believe you anyway. This is graphic film and pictures all well-known and available from many sources. The majority of detail can be found at Memri, Jihadwatch, Here, and at several other blogs.

You're missing the point entirely. The film and pictures are well-known to people like us that regularly follow this stuff. They are not well-known by random people around the world. We know where to find the facts, but other people do not. And sending them to go fact-finding on 7 other websites is ridiculous.

669 JenBee  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:01:22pm

Oh, and I also meant to say... I don't think there is anything more in Mr Wilders' film than we see everyday on JihadiTube and all the sick websites run by Islamists. They do the exact.same.thing: run clips of all their death and torture porn while reciting quotes from the Quran. No difference.

670 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:01:41pm

re: #652 sparrowlake

Excellent - please forgive me. I assume you are now possibly hedging only on the cartoon segment. Quite frankly, I don't care whether MSM shows that particular image, although their failure to do so would be based on simple PC and fear rather than any concern that it would be too bloody or gruesome to show to a mass audience.

I've been able to get it up and running, now, and yes, I think the whole thing, with edits, would be fine for the evening news. By edits I mean blurring some things -- there's no need to show a bloated body in detail to know what's there. I say that because by editing those harshest elements, you'd double your audience; many people don't have the stomach to see a woman's head severed from her body, and there's no real need.

671 BGOH  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:02:02pm

re: #666 Wookieelips

If I lived in the Netherlands, I would start making Wilders wigs, then everyone could wear them on the streets in a show of solidarity. Also, it would be harder for the jihadis to find him.
Hee hee

Let's be honest here - the spate of beheadings that would follow such a dissemination of Wilder wigs would be unprecedented. If I were a Dutch businessman, I wouldn't want to be in any way responsbile for that type of public massacre.

672 BaruchAdam  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:02:32pm

I've just read several hundred comments...it was a well done flick, but not nearly as controversial as I thought it would be.

Kind of like "Obsession: Radical Islams War Against the West" with more horrific graphics in soundbite/artsy fashion.

I guess i'm a bit disappointed. He establishes that Islamism is rooted in Islam, but that's been done before.

Am I the only one of 660 comments who expected more?

673 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:03:23pm

re: #647 ContraJihadi

Ah, Cognito,

Now that I have read more of your comments, I take back what I said earlier about lack of fellow feeling. You seem to care enough to want to help the lizard army along the path to close reading, even though, like Socrates, you also seem to enjoy %u03C0%u03B1%u03B9%u03B6%u03C9%u03BD %u03C0%u03C1%u03BF %u03C5%u03BC%u03B1%u03C2.

No particularly close reading required, I'd say. Regular reading should suffice. And unlike Socrates, I cannot read Greek. I welcome a translation, though.

674 Brigman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:03:41pm

just watched it,

seems like an extended trailer for 'Islam: What the West Needs to Know' and 'Obsession'.

on another note, I think A proper translation of the film's title would be 'There Will Be Blood' :)

675 Brigman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:07:10pm

re: #646 A Kiwi Infidel

Got about 5 minutes into this, takkiya, lies, bull shit, deception, the words all fit. Couldnt handle anymore. Sorry, what they say, and what they do, are at opposite ends of the universe.

I agree, I watched it up until it cut out on me. He quotes a pretty verse - and it left me wondering where was anyone to ask him to interpret and give the "peaceful" meaning behind some of the more colorful verses.

676 sparrowlake  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:08:01pm

re: #670 Cognito

Great, we agree, now let's see how much the cowardly PC MSM actually has the journalistic integrity to show.

677 opinionated  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:08:06pm

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways. "

Is Rice Positioning Herself As A Possible Veep Pick?

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

678 pepperpot  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:08:08pm

This short movie is extremely well done. It just states the facts with video and verses to back them up. But you can't reason with a people who reject reason and are not taught to think, only parrot back what they are taught. If they do think they wind up dead.

It makes me very sad to think so many people are trapped in the slavery of Islam. May the true God of Heaven arise and call them to Peace, Life, and Freedom in Jesus Christ.

679 Spiny Norman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:11:02pm

re: #440 bulwrk

re: #409 pingjockey
OT The Rev. Wrong is getting a 10k square foot house on a gated golf course community, paid for by the church. And he told his flock to throw out typical middle class values. HYPOCRITE!

I guess he plans on spending retirement golfing with whitey

Why am I picturing Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack?

:^/

680 JWM  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:11:29pm
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


Rev 13:4

Who indeed, if not us?

JWM

681 kafir  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:13:54pm

wow

Muslims hate jews. Who woulda guessed? This is a deep visceral hate. A seething hate.

And when they are done with the jews? Who's next?

This was not an islamophobic film. This showed them in their own words, and deeds.

That says something. Considering how horrifying their sayings and doings.

Good job Mr. Wilders. Good job.

Reversal of the muslim diaspora and containment and management of the threat are in the interests of all freedom loving peoples everywhere.

682 Spiny Norman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:14:57pm

re: #665 Carolyn

The comments at the movie site are getting interesting.
I do not understand what the moslems are carping about.
It was quotes from the Quran and film of Friday pep rallies,
what is to argue about?

They've been exposed, and don't like it one bit. The glare of the cold light of truth is a bit uncomfortable, I reckon, and there ain't near enough taqqiya to cover it up.

683 flutesnoot  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:17:41pm

re: #123 ethanxxx

Mr. Wilder has taken all those images and quotes from the Koran "Out of Context". How can you people not see that?

It's funny, I read ethanxxx's comment and even without the sarc tag
I knew he was being sarcastic. It's a little surprising seeing other people taking him seriously.

684 bubbalouey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:18:23pm

re: #672 BaruchAdam

I have been reading the thread here and I think that maybe the people here have begun to think that the lgf view of Islamism is mainstream the world over. It is like they have forgotten about the left altogether.

The key factor for Fitna is the controversy about it before its release, and if it proves so, the vile reaction after its release.
People who have not viewed the previous films might take a look see at Fitna.

I am also of the opinion that what more could be done in the film without it being derided even more strongly as hateful and biased in the extreme?

I f what is shown in the film is not enough, what would be?
What is contained in the film is horrific, the portrayal of Islamism is condemning x10.

lgfer's are too familiar with this stuff?

685 JWM  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:20:19pm

re: #677 opinionated

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways. "

Is Rice Positioning Herself As A Possible Veep Pick?

No. But we do truly know just how much benevolence is at the heart of islam. It's right up there with how much life is on the moon.

JWM

686 bubbalouey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:20:45pm

re: #683 flutesnoot

Some lgfer's are narrow at times, and quick to find fault.

687 FldDoc  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:20:58pm

So the problem is? This is them, from them. Not a word of commentary or opinion. Words straight from their rag, and words straight from their insane leaders and followers. It's ugly. If I had to live with it and try to actually convince people that it is the "True religion", I would be miserable too and take it out on the world. Or maybe I would just look in the mirror and do the distinctive thing that we humans are capable of doing, change. I think that's where the problem rests, they are incapable of being human.

688 Wookieelips  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:21:55pm

re: #671 BGOH

Let's be honest here - the spate of beheadings that would follow such a dissemination of Wilder wigs would be unprecedented. If I were a Dutch businessman, I wouldn't want to be in any way responsbile for that type of public massacre.


Or, you could picture a hypothetical sea of fantastically bleached heads, and laugh, which is what that comment was supposed to make people do. Hey, literalists have their place, I gues...

689 BGOH  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:22:40pm

re: #672 BaruchAdam

I've just read several hundred comments...it was a well done flick, but not nearly as controversial as I thought it would be.

Kind of like "Obsession: Radical Islams War Against the West" with more horrific graphics in soundbite/artsy fashion.

I guess i'm a bit disappointed. He establishes that Islamism is rooted in Islam, but that's been done before.

Am I the only one of 660 comments who expected more?

I honestly don't know what more you could expect from the man. He is literally risking life and limb by producing what he has. In my opinion, if it takes anything more than one video of seeing someone beheaded with a pocket knife to realize the danger that we face, then there isn't much more that is going to convince them of it.

690 BGOH  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:24:51pm

re: #688 Wookieelips

Or, you could picture a hypothetical sea of fantastically bleached heads, and laugh, which is what that comment was supposed to make people do. Hey, literalists have their place, I gues...

I was half joking - but only half.

691 joan  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:25:44pm

re: #38 Don

Another film and director to be ignored by Hollywood, the left and the appeasers.

Keep shining the light, it's a great disinfectant.

Yes, and the message is getting through. The wall of denial is crumbling, eroding and not a moment too soon. But, it will not come tumbling down just yet. It will crack from top to bottom when:
1) Hillary wins the Presidency
2) The truth will change
3) A new truth, a new reality. Liberals, the media, and the great lie machines and great dream weavers will shred the past.

The victory will begin only when the wall of delusion is shattered, and the wall will not shatter until our beautiful America is reeling with distress.

We will win, we will defeat and roll back the tide, when all Americans stand together, determined and furious and united.

That moment will never happen until the liberals and their media and their Jackass party are voted into power. They will never cease rewriting history, indoctrinating the best young minds into leftism, never cease exploiting this tragic conflict for political points. They will never allow us to find unity or strength on any other terms.

*spit* Vote Clinton, let's get on with it.
/rant off

692 ethanxxx  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:25:53pm

re: #683 flutesnoot

re: #683 flutesnoot

Thank You... I think. Yes, it was sarcastic. I wasn't aware that I was supposed to end my words with the side-ways smiley face... :) ... I'll never do that again.

693 JWill  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:31:03pm

All those hours on patrol in a submarine, reading seemingly endless intel reports on Iran, Iraq, Syria and Egypt . I couldn't figure out why our politicians seemed so unconcerned about the obvious militancy of those governments and how little they did to enforce just decent human behavior.

The military knew.

Well, I guess pictures are worth many words(I turned the sound down. The wife didn't need to be hearing that).

If I keep shaking my head like this, I'll have to get a neck brace.

JW

694 Carolyn  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:32:12pm

re: #692 ethanxxx

I figured it was meant as a joke, but understand that we have had posters who mean that stuff, and I wasn't familiar with your nic.
I will know you next time...

695 Teeka  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:32:29pm

While it is heartening to see that people are still brave enough and value truth above being politically correct, I just hope that the people who need most to see and understand the message of this film do. Hopefully more people will come to understand that Islam is not about peace but about brutal conquest.

I also cannot help but wonder how long this film will manage to stay up on the internet since it seems that everyone someone dares to post a video and speak the truth about Islam they are either ignored or removed for being hate speech.

696 banjo  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:32:48pm

I can't wait for the defence "These scenes are all taken out of context" "This represents a minority of the muslims" blah blah blah

697 Carolyn  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:34:01pm

re: #696 banjo

Go here

698 keyword  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:34:26pm

Even an average coder could slap together a much more offensive clip than Fitna. Not our Geert!
Tastefully lighted and framed, with just the right patina during transitional frames. The first time I watched it, I turned off the sound to get a better feel for the mood. With sound, it was amaaaaazing!

/sarc

Seriously, right on. When can I see the sequel?

699 soulpile  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:34:32pm

I got as far as the beheading and couldn't watch anymore. I've seen and read so much about these horrible things and it just is not understandable. I can't understand how anyone can actually side with people who perform such vile acts upon another human being. This is another piece of evidence in a long chain of such - how can any reasonable person ignore this?

700 infidel4ever  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:35:21pm

re: #696 banjo

I can't wait for the defence "These scenes are all taken out of context" "This represents a minority of the muslims" blah blah blah

New one: "It's a caricature of Islam..."

701 ContraJihadi  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:36:42pm

re: #673 Cognito

Well, to pass by the close readings, I'll just say that if you ever decide someday to take a stroll among the groves of the Platonic dialogs, even in English, you will recognize in Socrates a kindred spirit whose serious investigations possessed an element of amicable playfulness.

702 Cognito  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:39:20pm

re: #701 ContraJihadi

Well, to pass by the close readings, I'll just say that if you ever decide someday to take a stroll among the groves of the Platonic dialogs, even in English, you will recognize in Socrates a kindred spirit whose serious investigations possessed an element of amicable playfulness.

Ah! Very good then.

I just wasn't sure if maybe I was being lambasted, and just too ignorant to know it... I am curious -- what is the phrase?

703 ethanxxx  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:42:04pm

Oh... I understand. That's why I was being sarcastic. I actually couldn't stop laughing. I was also trying to make the point that this line... "You took it out of Context" has been thrown around so much in the past couple of weeks by apologists for the Rev. Wright and his Trinity United Thunderdome of Raving Bigots, that it has become meaningless. Kinda' like the way "Islamaphobia" is thrown around.

704 6pat6  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:45:45pm

re: #672 BaruchAdam

I really expected more, as well.

Still, it's a very powerful representation of what Western civilization faces now, and for years to come, unless people wake their self-absorbed, fat, lazy, MTV-short-attention-span asses up NOW.

705 Tigger2005  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:47:28pm

re: #497 Tigger

No, I think that's much improved. Many places now have autonomous water 24 hours a day. Others shut off the water around 9 p.m., not sure what time in the morning they turn it on again but it's probably around 6 a.m. or so.

706 keyword  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:49:18pm

re: #699 soulpile

That's a good point. However, with our unmatched ability to deliver pint-point strikes on targets that meet the press corps' maximum number allowed of 'innocent civilian casualties', we are failing to adapt.
The enemy is now using toddlers as human shields.
Think about that.
I'd rip the adams apple out of their throats.


/Jokingly speaking.

707 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:51:58pm

re: #530 Thanos

Try restarting your browser and logging in again. Also they are under heavy load and might have some features like upload constrained right now.

I'm not looking for an upload function, I'm looking for an "Add this video to my LiveLeak 'favorites'" button. Has that option been turned off or something?

708 NomadOfNorad  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:56:31pm

re: #556 SusanL

I have a companion book about The Tolkien books. In it it has a series of drawings showing how the flat "middle-earth" turned into our round earth. Guess where Mordor ends up? Smack dab in the Middle East.

Tolkien knew.

Susan

What's the name of this companion book? Is it still in print?

709 Behead Me Bob  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:57:32pm

Absolutely nothing in the film I saw that Muslims can object to, unless they object to the truth.

I'm still pained every time I hear Melissa Doi's voice (trapped in tower on 9/11).

710 Stonemason  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 6:58:46pm

Very well done

I was on record as not wanting this movie released if a Koran was desecrated, thankfully, that did not happen.

711 soulpile  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:03:09pm

re: #706 keyword

I suppose that means the press (or MSM) is unreasonable? I'd agree with that.

712 new2thezoo  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:13:42pm

It only mentioned a few of the many, many violent verses in the Quran. And it looks as though Wilders got most of his material off the internet. These photos and videos have been around for years. The music was a nice juxtaposition to the be-headings and mutilations. Satanic verses indeed.
And the point that the movie makes will soon be in full swing.

713 Droplet  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:14:11pm

Great film. I'm not sure what the Dutch can do about this except mass expulsions. That's cool.

714 laZardo  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:14:49pm

I chuckle at Wilders saying that Wikipedia is Fitna's official page, because it's a way of proving the point he's making by displaying all the reactions by people before they saw this movie, despite the "disclaimer" at the top of the page.

715 Droplet  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:15:46pm

Thousands of AT&T workers plan a huge protest tomorrow due to the desecration of the phone book...

716 Ann E. Blue Star Mom  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:19:55pm

I just want to say a big THANK YOU to Charles!
You made this very well done film available to lots of people.
I had wondered how I would be able to see it.
Thank you again for doing the right thing.

717 compassionate warmonger  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:34:03pm

re: #544 wanderer

Wanderer,

I agree. I think the paper I was reading was a European wide publication, (similar to USA Today). I think the Swiss have the right attitude and will weather the storm.

Beautiful country - very friendly people. I'm always happy to take a business trip to Switzerland.

718 The Moral Atheist  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:35:01pm

I wish I was Dutch, just so I could vote for Wilders. I think Obsession is a better film, but it's rare for a politician to have the moral courage to say what is right. I hope his security is tight enough that he has no problems, but if he is killed then he will be a Martyr in the true sense of the word, someone who dies for there beliefs, not someone who murders innocence people because of their mistake beliefs.

It's a shame the US constitution bans foreigners from being President, just imagine, if there was a right in campaign and he won.

719 eclectic infidel  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:37:17pm

"It's so hot I'm burning up."

I stopped the video, took a healthy swig of jim beam neat and continued. Those images of the planes slamming into the WTC have always chilled me. The mere thought of people burning alive fills me with dread, and then eventually rage. Rage at those who did it. Rage at those who perpetuate this vile ideology.

Thank you Geert Wilders. The world needs to see this. Over and over and over.

720 Mike Dugas  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:37:48pm

WoW! I hope he's watching his back.

721 JWM  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:38:55pm

Every time I see footage of 9/11 it brings up the same cold rage. Time has not diminished that rage. I silently recite the long list of cities that would no longer be in existence if I'd had my finger on the button. I - I'll just leave it at that. The rest of my thoughts would get the post (and probably my accout here) deleted.

JWM

722 JWM  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:40:46pm

re: #719 eclectic infidel

Amazing. You were posting as I was finishing typing. GMTA

JWM

723 Student of Objectivism  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:42:52pm

This isn't enough. It doesn't explain why, explicitly and exactly, why Islam is bad, and it doesn't offer a rational alternative. Islam: What the West Needs to Know, is by far the best documentary on Islam that all Westerners should see, not Obsession or Fitna, unfortunately.

724 abolitionist  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:43:42pm

I have it on good authority that the photo mixup in Wilder's Fitna was quite intentional:

Top Notch/PIAS, Salah Edin's record label has released Salah's highly anticipated debut album 'Nederlands Grootste Nachtmerrie' (Holland's Worst Nightmare). The album, which is fully produced by Dr.Dre's right hand man Focus... comes with a bonus DVD and a very controversial front cover.

On the front cover, Salah Edin appears exactly like the mugshot of convicted killer Mohamed B who murdered Dutch columnist Theo van Gogh for his publically outspoken and offensive opinion on Islam.

The front cover has caused another spark of controversy after the release of Salah Edin's first video 'Het Land Van...' which had caused a slew of controversy in media, online forums and even in the Dutch goverment one month earlier.

"This is the way the average white Dutch citizen sees me, as a young Moroccan Muslim radical. That's why I chose to do this picture and use it for the front cover of my album. It is no in way supporting the deeds of Mohamed B", says Salah Edin.

Scroll down to 27-05-2007 l Salah Edin Releases Debut Album, Causes More Controversy, Risks Ban In Retail.
[Link: www.salahedin.com...]

725 Catttt  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:44:16pm

re: #692 ethanxxx

re: #683 flutesnoot

Thank You... I think. Yes, it was sarcastic. I wasn't aware that I was supposed to end my words with the side-ways smiley face... :) ... I'll never do that again.

Do a slash for sarc. :)

/I'm addicted to smilies. :)

726 ContraJihadi  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:44:43pm

re: #702 Cognito

Ah! Very good then.

I just wasn't sure if maybe I was being lambasted, and just too ignorant to know it... I am curious -- what is the phrase?

Sorry, I wandered away from LGF--multi-tasking, you know.

The phrase literally translates and "playing" [actually, "boy-ing"] or "joking with you all," where "playing" is a participle. A better rendition for our lizard dialogs might be "joshing" but with the connotation that a kind of mutual investigation is in process. Socrates was aware that he and his interlocutors were on a voyage of discovery, but some of them who were more dogmatically inclined might have been more fixated on stubbornly defending their own preconceived notions. Socrates therefore sometimes had to josh them a bit, all with good will, just to get them to think "outside the box," as we might say.

I may be projecting, but I see something like that happening in some of your interchanges.

727 unknowner[deleted]  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:45:19pm
728 Josephine  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:45:38pm

re: #474 zzzzzzzzzz.....

Koresh wasn't a Christian.

729 marsouin  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:45:47pm

Has anyone heard of a significant organization of Western muslims standing up for the West and its liberties against the rampant jihadist sympathies in their own community? How many muslims living in the West truly deep down is willing to fight and die for West and these liberties? If not, I fear there will be an understandable backlash against Western muslims if another major attack (nbc) occurs in the West.

730 Klein-Bottle  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:51:04pm

Charles,

Thank you for posting Fitna and providing the material the MSM wants to hide.

731 mellymel  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 7:59:22pm

First, let me say, kudos to you Mr. Wilders and G-D keep you. Second, I would like to make a few points (knowing I am going to be kicked in the rear from some for doing so):

1. I feel badly for most Muslims. Most are raised from birth to believe in this hatred doctrine and to leave it means death.

2. To those Muslims that agree with such hate and violence, I say please kiss my American ass because we will NEVER (no matter how dhimmified our government is, we ARE NOT) give into your hateful, murderous, evil, woman hating, Jew hating, etc. POS "religion."

3. I have met Muslim Americans who really wanted to learn about other religions who were met with cries of "blasphemy" when they asked their fellow (American BTW) family and friends. One in particular came to ME -- a Christian married to a Jew -- and I tried to explain the best I could (and didn't kill him for asking a freakin' question).

4. Based on what I have learned, I HATE islam and love the Muslim who has had this tyranny forced on them and has no recourse other than the rest of the world to stand up and help them.

/Just my opinion.

732 Bubbaman  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:10:02pm

So far, only Bloomberg and the CSM have picked up the story (of US media). The MSM has and will continue to ignore the story as long as possible. Up to over 2 Million views on LiveLeak.

733 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:13:12pm

re: #447 non-croyant

I haven't checked to see if it's credited or not, but, in addition to Tchaikovsky, Edvard Grieg's Ase's Death from the Peer Gynt suite is also prominent.

Now you know my real name, because I commented on it as comment number 8 on the Fitna Movie site.

Grieg also did "Morning Mood" and "In the Hall of the Mountain King".

This put me in mind of a classic exchange -

Khomeini: Music dulls the mind, because it involves pleasure and ecstasy, similar to drugs. Your music I mean. Usually your music has not exalted the spirit, it puts it to sleep. And it destructs [sic] our youth who become poisoned by it, and then they no longer care about their country.

Oriana Fallaci: Even the music of Bach, Beethoven, Verdi?

Khomeini: I do not know these names.

Khomeini: If their music does not dull the mind, they will not be prohibited. Some of your music is permitted. For example, marches and hymns for marching.

I doubt Khomeini knows the name Edvard Grieg, either.

734 Josephine  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:15:47pm

It's a well-made, quietly disturbing video.

None of it was "news" to me but it upset me all the same (as it should).

To the people who have different ideas and the courage to make their own anti-jihadi videos, I say bravo! (And get working -- the world needs your contribution!)

735 gymnast  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:19:14pm

re: #726 ContraJihadi

Sorry, I wandered away from LGF--multi-tasking, you know.

The phrase literally translates and "playing" [actually, "boy-ing"] or "joking with you all," where "playing" is a participle. A better rendition for our lizard dialogs might be "joshing" but with the connotation that a kind of mutual investigation is in process. Socrates was aware that he and his interlocutors were on a voyage of discovery, but some of them who were more dogmatically inclined might have been more fixated on stubbornly defending their own preconceived notions. Socrates therefore sometimes had to josh them a bit, all with good will, just to get them to think "outside the box," as we might say.

I may be projecting, but I see something like that happening in some of your interchanges.

Trying to work in the Hegelian dialectic I see. Artful or clever?

736 Capitalist Tool  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:19:40pm

Oh, but...
Oh, but...
Oh, but...
It's all out of context!
The West doesn't understand...

Whaddaya think?
PR career path?

737 arcatan  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:22:52pm

It's obvious that Liberal style appeasement is the only option. We don't want anyone (who hates the US) to be upset.

738 LeePro  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:23:19pm

re: #636 EtNorskTroll

You're wrong, Areopagitica: you can negotiate with these people.

The Navy SEALS and Army Rangers have been proving that for the last 7 years or so.... (Click link to view "negotiations" in real-time) [Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

~ENT

Hot................ very Hot Damn ! ! !

739 maddogg  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:23:28pm

Excellent video! The true face of Islam with the foreskin peeled back. This should be shown on every news show in the world.

740 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:25:10pm

re: #674 Brigman

just watched it, seems like an extended trailer for 'Islam: What the West Needs to Know' and 'Obsession'.

re: #689 BGOH

I honestly don't know what more you could expect from the man. He is literally risking life and limb by producing what he has. In my opinion, if it takes anything more than one video of seeing someone beheaded with a pocket knife to realize the danger that we face, then there isn't much more that is going to convince them of it.

BGOH wins the thread (so far) in that Wilders has produced a politician-endorsed trailer for "Obsession", and incidentally a campaign ad for his platform. Wilders is not an Islamic scholar nor any sort of academic. The job of the scholar and of the journalist is to report and teach. Wilders's job is to affect policy in Europe. This video is propaganda.

I hasten to add that propaganda is good when it is truthful and in support of a good cause.

When I saw "Obsession" I kept thinking I was watching one of those old WW2 films about the rise of fascism - then I realised I didn't actually own any, so I bought some. I may still have the first few hours of "Why We Fight" on my hard drive ...

re: #723 Student of Objectivism

This isn't enough. It doesn't explain why, explicitly and exactly, why Islam is bad, and it doesn't offer a rational alternative. Islam: What the West Needs to Know, is by far the best documentary on Islam that all Westerners should see, not Obsession or Fitna, unfortunately.

I ought to check that out next.

741 arcatan  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:28:20pm

re: #732 Bubbaman

The MSM feel obligated to protect the weak (Islam) from the strong (the US & Israel). This is part of their Marxist mentality ... reducing everything to capitalist oppressor vs. the helpless weak.

Stupid Liberals.

742 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:28:26pm

re: #739 maddogg

Excellent video! The true face of Islam with the foreskin peeled back. This should be shown on every news show in the world.

You could have chosen a better example. Islam claims descent from Ishmael; peeling foreskins wouldn't apply. (What's seriously disgusting is that too many of them go looking for foreskins on women...)

743 elrushbuni  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:32:06pm

re: #280 RAXTSFK

Is anyone else slightly underwhelmed by the video? I think it relies too much on anonymous quotes and signage. Why aren't any of those Imams identified? Or the folks who freely admit that they would murder their families because of "Allah"? I'd love to show it to my liberal friends, but i'm afraid they'll pounce on the idea that these are just unknown kooks spouting bile.

At the end the credits give clues from which to start. Also, as someone else has pointed out here, Lizards have seen it all already, so you're bound to find stuff in the archives.

744 maddogg  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:33:13pm

re: #742 Zimriel


You could have chosen a better example. Islam claims descent from Ishmael; peeling foreskins wouldn't apply.

I suppose you are right about my example. However, my example was crude, graphic, and somewhat gross, exactly like Islam.

(and I try not to clone anyone elses commenting style)

745 LeePro  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:36:09pm

re: #653 right_wing2

ok, now that I've got this downloaded, what can I use to view it? I've tried 'Real' 'Windows Media Player' and 'Quicktime'

Why not just go back up to the top of this page and click on the "Play" button — bottom left - looks like a little triangle.

746 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:41:31pm

re: #691 joan

Yes, and the message is getting through. The wall of denial is crumbling, eroding and not a moment too soon. But, it will not come tumbling down just yet. ...
That moment will never happen until the liberals and their media and their Jackass party are voted into power. They will never cease rewriting history, indoctrinating the best young minds into leftism, never cease exploiting this tragic conflict for political points. They will never allow us to find unity or strength on any other terms.

*spit* Vote Clinton, let's get on with it.
/rant off

I get to thinking like that too, in dark days. "Let it all just get a little worse, then everyone will awaken... okay, NOW a little worse... maybe now?"

That's how Gramschians WANT you to think. I imagine - no - I don't have to imagine; Pseudo-Methodius and Bar Penkaye tell me that the Copts and Syrian Christians felt that way too when their homes were overrun by 'Umar's hordes. Yes we're ruled by tyrants! But we're the majority. Any day now the Byzantine Empire will save us. Okay, it's the Last Days and God will save us! - But God never did.

That's because God doesn't bother helping people who don't believe in themselves. "If I am not for myself, who shall be for me? If not now, when?"

747 hammerhead  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:43:25pm

CAIR has got to round up this misguided Muslims and afford them sensitivity training...let's see how long the instructors can walk about with their heads intact.

748 hammerhead  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:45:23pm

re: #741 arcatan

The MSM feel obligated to protect the weak (Islam) from the strong (the US & Israel). This is part of their Marxist mentality ... reducing everything to capitalist oppressor vs. the helpless weak.

Stupid Liberals.

100% correct

749 non-croyant  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:47:51pm

re: #733 Zimriel

Grieg also did "Morning Mood" and "In the Hall of the Mountain King".

Yeah those are the two pieces that most people know even if they don't know that they know.

Both are also part of Peer Gynt.
Morning Mood
In the Hall of the Mountain King

750 bluejudad  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:51:17pm

Its Bush's Fault!

751 Attaboid  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:53:56pm

I don't believe there will be much reaction/deaths.

752 BGOH  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 8:56:33pm

Alright, I shouldn't have done it, but I did it. I don't know why. I trudged over to DailyKos earlier in the evening to see what those idiots were saying about Fitna, and I was surprised by a couple of things, but fully expecting most of what I found:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

I was surprised to find a couple of people there who were actually question the motives of Islamic reaction to such criticism as leveled by Wilders, but most of them had the expected head-in-the-sand reaction.

I guess reading all of that drivel has had a deliterious effect upon me that I was not expecting. I don't want to "hate" anyone, and usually I laugh off the accusation because I know that I don't hate anyone. But, in this case, I DO hate radical Islam. I love the people because they are my brothers and sisters in God, of that I have no doubt. I hate their religion and what it stands for, though, and if there is another way to express what I feel, then my vernacular is failing me. I hate Islam in the same way that I hate fascists and dictators of any ideological strip. I hate Islam in the way that I hate any institution that seeks to control other human beings at the point of a gun. I hate Islam in the same way that I hate any murderous group of thugs.

But, I don't hate the people. I love them, and I want to wish them health and well being. I guess I am having a hard time dealing with all of this because, admittedly, my realization of the true nature of Islam is fairly a fairly new thing for me, personally, and I guess I'm just not quite sure how to interperet all of the feelings that I have simultaneously. It troubles me deeply to see a group of people write off legitimate criticism of a violent, hateful religion as "hate speech" (in fact, I see the assertion itself to be an oxymoron of epic proportions), but I have not yet figured out how to deal with the human aspects of all of this.

Has anyone else experienced this, or am I just being a whiny little bitch? I certainly don't mean to be, but I'll at least admit the possibility! lol

753 non-croyant  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:06:58pm

Some people deserve to be hated.

754 JWM  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:07:41pm

re: #752 BGOH

I'm not so evolved.
I hate the bastards.

JWM

755 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:07:45pm

re: #603 Cognito

All right.

So you [Kirly]'re arguing that footage of people tumbling from the World Trade Center to their deaths is appropriate viewing material for evening newscasts, etc.

That's cool. At least you know where you stand.

If it happens, then it is appropriate. If it is staged or didn't happen, then it is inappropriate.

If people don't want to see that crap on the evening news, then might I suggest they support measures against the fellows who actually committed the crime? rather than silencing the messenger

756 Hammerhead  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:07:49pm

re: #142 judith

This is a universal problem...I'm not Jewish but I'm afraid too many Jews that I know seem to have more contempt for Bush than the Islamist. I keep scratching my head.

757 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:13:21pm

re: #723 Student of Objectivism

This isn't enough.

What were you expecting? I expected to see a film about the inherit violence in the koran, and that's what I got. Submission Part I had a larger impact on me than this film because I knew little of islam at the time, so bear in mind that you may have expected more because you're versed enough in islam to know there is more that could have been done- but I doubt this film was made for the informed. For people who know little to nothing of the real nature of islam, this film could be a real eye-opener and spur them to learn even more. For you- this film was not enough- for others this film is too much, but hopefully for the uninformed, it will be enough to enlighten.

758 maddogg  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:15:49pm

re: #752 BGOH

Do I hate Left wing Liberals ( better known as communists, and communist lite)?

They would take your freedom and put you and me in an Orwellian paradise. I for one would be better off dead. They would sell out our country to a one world government, a benevolent dictatorship mixed with a socialist nanny state. The constitution would become a "living document" or could be changed at a whim, or abolished in the end at any rate. You would have only a very very few rights, and those at the whim of the state.

Yes, I do indeed hate them. And I wish them ill.

I hate the islamists as well, but without the leftists, they would cease to be a problem. The leftists facilitate radical islam, and support it because it is anti-american.

Thats another reason I hate the left.

That denotes the two groups of people I hate, and both want to subdue me.

759 BGOH  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:25:15pm

re: #758 maddogg

Good points all. I guess I'll go with the "whiny bitch" option that I offered before. lol

This is a tough ideological position, to be sure, but the parameters of it are pretty damned clear.

760 Macker  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:25:57pm

I just saw the film. All I have to say to the Islamofascists are:
FRAK YOU!
FRAK ISLAMOFASCISM!

And to the 1.2 billion people who follow this EVIL, I say WAKE THE FRAK UP or else you will find yourselves on the LOSING SIDE and not just pounded into dust either.

761 bubbalouey  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:28:13pm

re: #752 BGOH

I don't have the answer, but I see it as a fact that some people are so corrupted or incapacitated in their thinking and sensibilities that they either willingly or unwittingly believe that hating Islamism, or anything contrary to what we consider correct, is wrong.

Did you see the peace protester who slapped the young woman? This is kind of stuff can only be the result of mental illness. Islamism can only be mental illness, and being an apologist or in some way accepting it as a reasonable or valid way of life must be a similar disturbance of mind.

I was taught the concept of hating what people do, not the person doing it. I find it a challenge at times, but always it is a temporary thing. The anger I feel towards such people is sometimes so intense that I sometimes believe I do hate them. As the intensity of anger dissipates I realize that it is not hate for the person I felt, but true outrage.

762 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:29:15pm

I hope someone makes a better quality online movie with the correct aspect ratio.

763 non-croyant  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:38:06pm

re: #762 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

Yeah, I expected much better movie making from a Dutch politician. Hmmph.

764 Zimriel  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:47:39pm

re: #191 Bubbaman

And now that everyone has finished watching FITNA, I urge you to see this video which will "close the loop".

Thank you for posting that.

765 flyingcloud  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:48:51pm

It is good for Mr. Wilders to make the film. Most of the people will see the film, be angry at the Islamist and then fall back to asleep.

There has to be a coordinated strategy. People who love freedom have to come together to support the cause. We have to get rid of the complacency. Is there a fund one can contribute to provide security for heros like Mr. Wilders and other outspoken people? Islam can only be defeated through grass root movement. Send the link of the film to you friends and families and ask them to send it around to their. Get the word out. A man has put his own life at risk to make this film and it deserve to be seen by every civilized man.

766 Irish Rose  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 9:49:14pm

Well done, Mr. Wilders.
May God watch over and protect you.

Oh, how I wish that this film could be shown and openly discussed in every High School and College Campus in America!

Generations of our young are being brainwashed by the likes of codepink, Answer etc., immoral socialist reprobates who recruit American children to do their bidding by poisoning their minds - in the same way that these murderous Islamist parents poison their own children's minds - by teaching them that Islam is peace, and America the aggressor.

God damn them all, I say... damn them all to hell.

WHERE are the bold educators out there who will show this film to their students, and initiate dialogue about the violent history of Islam, the oppressive religious agenda of modern day Islam, the assault upon our laws and our freedoms, and the subtle creep of Sharia?

Where are the educators out there who care enough about our young people to expose them to the TRUTH?

We here in the West are so anesthetized by in our freedoms that we can't even imagine what it would be like to lose them. The only way to shock us out of our deep and dangerous collective slumber is to show this kind of material over, and over, and over again in every blog and news/information venue we can push it into, until it begins to TAKE.

I am forwarding this link to everyone that I know, and asking them to let their young people watch it.

767 arcatan  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 10:04:45pm

I've been wondering why the MSM is so ho-hum about this, it really is a significant (though limited) attack on the Quran itself quite a rare event.

My guess is that having categorized Mr. Wilders as an extreme right wing fascist they were expecting something more like an Adolph Hitler style insane rant of hatred and this generally even toned criticism is rational ... they were hoping for some desk pounding and direct insults.

Stupid Liberals.

768 Billy Hank  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 10:21:16pm

#444 - Occasional Reader ...first they need a Pope.

I used to think that. There are advantages to having one Head MoFo What Am In Charge to deal with. My first impulse was to nominate Urban the Deuce for a do-over but the current Benedict is showing interesting early form.

Then I finished "A History of the Arab People" by Hourani. Can't recommend the book, typical sodden academic socialism cataloging genealogies and GNP, but I did get a few takeaways. One is that we have been very lucky that Islam doesn't have a Pope. Much of the ummah's psychic and physical energy has been expended on the question of who was or was not Mo's legitimate successor. When they do get together enough to mount a serious conquest, it is usually under the command of a single charismatic leader. Left to their own devices, they are like crabs pulling their fellows back into the pot. Much Arab and Muslim effort since WWI has gone into developing a unified course of action. The problem is that Islam cannot separate Church and State. The result is that doctrinal differences, who is closest to representing the true word of the Pedophile Pontificate, infect and weaken alliance attempts.

That doesn't mean they can't work together. Even secular Saddam was able to write the Koran in his own blood when cooperation was in his interest. I'd just prefer to see a relentless campaign of exposure as to what they believe. I like aspects of the Danish cartoon approach. Islam has such a loony set of beliefs that I think holding it's believers up to public ridicule for their vile credulity would be an effective publc policy. Slap them in the laughing-stocks.

769 Canadhimmis  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 10:22:05pm

.....googled the word fitna a couple of minutes ago. 729,000 results.

It should be interesting to check the results in a day or two.

770 gymnast  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 10:24:03pm

I wonder when Frontline is going to do a program on Islam that matches the violence shown on the program they did for the fifth year of the Iraq War this past week. Did I not see footage of American Troops being shot by snipers, blown up by IEDs, contractors shot burned and hung from bridges?

Get your shit together Cognito, you have given quite the exhibition of the behavior of a prevaricating duplicitous shitbird on this thread. Review your posts in view of the actualities of the Frontline show on PBS this week. Your "insights" are, for the most part, nothing but "happy horseshit" and mushroom food.

771 US Navy Wife  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 11:17:08pm

re: #769 Canadhimmis

.....googled the word fitna a couple of minutes ago. 729,000 results.

It should be interesting to check the results in a day or two.

733,000 in just a few hours.

I couldn't watch the movie. I made it to the Nick Berg beheading and was near tears. If I have any hope of sleeping tonight, I need to try to erase the sights I've already seen.

How can "moderate Muslims" allow radicals to hijack their religion like this? If someone purporting to be my religion did 1/10th the damage to my religion these evil monsters are doing, I'd be screaming about it at every opportunity. THEY DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME.

I don't understand.

My husband will likely return to Iraq before he retires. I worry from the moment he leaves U.S. territory. Military members openly discuss suicide over capture.

772 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 11:30:43pm

Charles:
Many, many thanks for showing this video.
You have the guts, the intelligence and the know-how.
You're a GREAT warrior for Freedom.
May God bless you and your dear ones abundantly.

I'm reporting this comment, to make sure you see it.

And I'm sure I speak for thousands and thousands when I thank you for all you do. :)

773 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 11:45:03pm

Fitna was linked by Kate McMillan at her Small Dead Animals blog, too. I watched it from that link, Very compelling piece of cinema, and I thought it was very well done. Looks like it's gaining a very wide audience in virtually no time at all. I hope that it becomes such a big Internet phenomenon that the lamestream media has no choice but to take it up.

Greetings to you, Miguel!

774 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 27, 2008 11:59:28pm

re: #773 Alberta Oil Peon

Fitna @ LiveLeak currently at 2,529,674 in less than 24 hours.

Viral is an understatement.

775 gman  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 12:29:01am

A BIG thanks for posting Fitna, Charles.

And not to mention, a Tremendous thanks to Geert for this film that helps keep us focused in this war we fight.

776 Rudemeister  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 12:39:50am

I am from the Netherlands. Now live in USA. This movie was great. It should be played often here in the US because we are not above being Islamized. Can you say Dearborn Michigan? BTW, the Dutch are fighting along side the USA in Afghanistan. I hope those young men don't get it bad there for Fitna telling the truth.

777 Student of Objectivism  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 12:56:44am

re: #757 Sharmuta

But they just showed quotes and pictures. They didn't openly say: "Islam is the worship of death, it logically leads to terrorism, etc, etc. It is morally wrong, etc"

They didn't *explain* anything. The battle to save America is a philosophical battle that is won by rational ideas, not by pictures and cherry picked quotes that are irrational religious commandments that are unquestionably violent.

Like I said, Islam: What the West Needs to Know does this. It examines the entire religion by its fundamentals and shows explicitly, on Islam's own terms, that it is for terrorism. That is the least that should be done. The movie leaves the viewers with the fact that we must face the enemy with force, head-on, and that there will be only one winner, and that this must come after we have pride in our renewed Western values.

778 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 1:12:55am

re: #777 Student of Objectivism

And europeans do not have the same freedom of speech that we enjoy here in America. That the film was not what you expected it would be is not on Mr. Wilders, IMO- it is on you and your expectations of what you thought it should be, and that's not very objective, now is it?

Feel free to make the film you thought Mr. Wilders should have made. I, for one, don't recall Mr. Wilders saying he was going to explain anything, just that he was going to show verses from the koran manifested in the actions of muslims- which is exactly what this film did.

779 gman  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 1:16:18am

re: #752 BGOH

I don't think you're a whiny bitch. Who has not wrestled with the questions you are asking?

Soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are dealing with the exact same dilemma on a regular basis. One moment they are helping to build a school or repair a road, and the next moment they are shooting at enemy insurgents. They know that if they do not shoot the enemy, the enemy will shoot them.

I have love in my heart for all people like you do. However, sometimes love means being firm with respect to your principles. I believe in the freedoms that we enjoy as Americans. I made an oath a long time ago to protect those freedoms to my death, if necessary. Our freedoms are now threatened by these Islamic jihadists. They will come and get us if we don't come for them first. We have already seen this happen on several occasions. It's a tough love that we need for this fight, but a necessary one nonetheless.

Moonbat liberals will always tell you that we need to give "peace" a chance. That would be fine and dandy if the enemy felt the same way. The enemy, in this case, are filled with hatred spewed forth from the Qur'an. We have learned much about them in the last few years and we are still figuring out ways to counter them. This war will go on a long time, but once again the freedoms we love as Americans are at stake.

780 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 1:20:24am

re: #771 US Navy Wife

How can "moderate Muslims" allow radicals to hijack their religion like this? If someone purporting to be my religion did 1/10th the damage to my religion these evil monsters are doing, I'd be screaming about it at every opportunity. THEY DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME.

I don't understand.

Because Islam is the religion of a single man, Mohammad, it is his words and he was clear and completely unequivocal. "Moderate Muslims" can not speak out against anything Mohammad said or did - if they did they would not be Muslims, they would lose their standing, their families, and in some countries their belongings and their lives.. They know that they're not allowed to be on our side, and they have been taught no morals that run against Mohammad. They've been taught obedience, but never what we would consider morals.

Except for a few very marginal slightly-less-Muslim sects, they can not have dogma that is morally opposed to these teachings. A few very small sects reject most of the history of Mohammad and thus can claim that he didn't say these things, and a few half-Muslim sects contradict Mohammad's claim to be the last prophet, and so they can have new revelations and can push Mohammad back. But these sects are considered heretics by the mass of Muslims, and their own lives are not safe among other Muslims.

So Muslims are moderate only when not in the Mosque, only in spite of their religion. The clerics can not be moderates, except for one or two rebellious liberals with small followings - I can think of a sayad, one of the many descendants of Mohammad who uses his status to simply contradict Islamic teachings and substitute his liberal version. But his following is small, and I suspect he is only allowed to live because he is a descendant of the prophet. His followers no, doubt, lack that protection.

781 USASupport  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 1:24:17am

Notice an overwhelming silence from Muslims on these verses now that the movie is out.

782 gman  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 1:27:12am

re: #777 Student of Objectivism

But they just showed quotes and pictures. They didn't openly say: "Islam is the worship of death, it logically leads to terrorism, etc, etc. It is morally wrong, etc"

They didn't *explain* anything. The battle to save America is a philosophical battle that is won by rational ideas, not by pictures and cherry picked quotes that are irrational religious commandments that are unquestionably violent.

Like I said, Islam: What the West Needs to Know does this. It examines the entire religion by its fundamentals and shows explicitly, on Islam's own terms, that it is for terrorism. That is the least that should be done. The movie leaves the viewers with the fact that we must face the enemy with force, head-on, and that there will be only one winner, and that this must come after we have pride in our renewed Western values.

Student, the movie you want everyone to see is 1 hour and 39 minutes long and I will watch it because you said it is informative. I think Geert's 15 minute film, though, is great for someone who isn't as familiar with the teachings of Islam, like my non- lizard family members.

783 Proud to be an Infidel  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 2:33:08am

Pardon my ignorance here, but was that the entire film?

784 Eagle  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 5:42:53am

Wow. Just. Wow. Thats gonna spark some 'debate'.

All I can say is :
1) The wiki entry says:

Wilders then said that he would "Rather have [the film] entirely on the Internet, than half on television".

That one should go down in the annals of history. It wholly describes what is wrong with any amount of censorship, and why the old media is being outpaced.

2) Bravo to Liveleak for showing this. This will make a huge name for them.

785 Eagle  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 5:45:10am

re: #773 Alberta Oil Peon

I love smalldeadanimals !

786 Americano_Latino  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 5:51:39am

Mr. Geert Wilders will have plenty of new footage for the sequel of "Fitna" all too soon sadly. This seminal film should be required viewing in every school, and on prime time tv. Will PBS air it? I doubt it very much.

787 guitarguy  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 6:18:11am

Well, that was rather sobering to watch.
It now begs the question: Exactly how do we deal with this problem?
By 'we' I'm referring to all of us.........the entire planet.
We are a country that believes in and espouses freedom of worship.......so what do we do with these fanatics? To see mosques springing up like daisies is, plain and simple, NOT good. It also seems rather apparent that our elected leaders are painfully reluctant to tackle this crisis head-on for fear of being called a name. (It begins with 'r' and rhymes with 'acist'....) I'd posted a similar query on another website a few weeks ago, so I'll now do it here.

Who tackles this problem?
KKK...?
Aryan nation...?
Militia...?

My personal approach would be: Knock off the Islamic rantings (and the beheadings, stonings, honor-killings, etc.).....or die. I would suggest Dresden times 10. We (the planet) want to continue to grow both physically and intellectually. Your continuing fanaticism will only hinder our progress and growth as a thinking, thriving entity. You are a serious problem. The problem must be removed.

788 Bluecold  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 6:18:21am

I don't think there will be a lot of riots. That is, unless Iran & Co have some diplomatic dispute with Holland.

789 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 6:22:27am

re: #788 Bluecold

I don't think there will be a lot of riots. That is, unless Iran & Co have some diplomatic dispute with Holland.

Of course. Their own people killing or calling for slaughter and hatred is the way things are supposed to be.

It's when non-Muslims forget their place and draw cartoons or name a teddy bear that the riots start.

790 nyc redneck  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 6:33:49am

re: #648 mean Gene

Jeepers, does he ever get to a point?

too much bs talky talky prefacing before he even got to his bs talky talky bs. he's an arrogant control freak trying to sound like a rational guy. i think he even annoyed the moslems in the audience.

791 littleO  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 6:45:19am

reporter: Mrs. Clinton, have you seen the "Fitna" film and what do think of it?
Hillary: I think it is sad and alarmist and not a fair representation of Islam.
reporter: Mr. Obama, have you anything to add to that?
Barach: Yes. There are many fine things within Islam. Many more fine Muslim people that I have known, than what is depicted in that distorted film.
reporter: Thank you Senators very, very, very much for your time.

792 ethanxxx  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 7:05:56am

I've been reading the comments about this film over at Kos. Now I'm scared. Some of the posts supported the "Free Speech" issue, but most condemned the film and found it hateful and "Racist". Yesterday, in an earlier post, I sarcastically wrote that the film took images and quotes from the Koran out of context. I apologize for not including the side-ways sarcastic smiley face, many took me seriously. The children over at KOS are serious.

793 nccanuck  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 7:16:31am

I don't think there was anything in the film which should've got the Muslim communities all in an uproar to the point of calling for death, but hey, what do I know, I'm just an InfidelKaffur.

794 soccerdad  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 7:23:37am

Priorities people....

Netherlands POLICE wants to legalize gay sex in public parks.

Netherlands TV stations won't show FITNA on television.

795 sabnen  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 7:28:50am

Well done Mr. Wilders, I'll be praying for your safety now.

I've seen much of the same before, but was struck by . . .

. . . the Madrid blast and the shredded bodies . . .
. . . the poor woman having her brains blown out onto the street with a rifle . . .
. . . Mr. Berg's screams as his head is slowly chopped off no speed or mercy . . .

Surely God, looking down from above, doesn't want to see his children slaughtering each other like this in his name.

796 looking closely  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 7:40:30am

re: #792 ethanxxx

Yesterday, in an earlier post, I sarcastically wrote that the film took images and quotes from the Koran out of context. I apologize for not including the side-ways sarcastic smiley face, many took me seriously. The children over at KOS are serious.

If Wilders took the quotes out of context, then so did the Muslims depicted in the video who are quoting the Koran, waving knives around, and foaming about murdering people.

The problem here is that reaction from the Muslim world isn't "We're ashamed of these images", but rather "Geert Wilders needs to be killed".

If you want a bit of moral equivalency, imagine trying to create an identical video using excerpts from the New Testament.

797 ethanxxx  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 8:04:05am

re: #796 looking closely

I am in 100% agreement with you... on all points. I was being hyper-sarcastic in my post #123. I noticed a lot of people took it seriously... it has a rating of -8. At the KOS site, they actually feel that the images of violence and words from the Koran are taken out of Context. You're absolutely right... The death threats are the real problem. The fact that the Koran clearly instructs it's followers to "Kill" the non-believers is reason enough to have it's "Religious" status in the US taken away from them. There really is no "Moral Equivalency" to Islam... except maybe the political left in this country.

798 alegrias  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 8:13:52am

Geert Wilders' Fitna is today's Anne Frank's Diary, written by another brave young Dutch person confronting totalitarianism literally at home in Holland.

If Geert Wilders needs to make a new life in the West, he could always run for Governor of some American state, as Arnold Schwartzenegger did.

799 alegrias  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 8:16:32am

re: #795 sabnen


* * *
Sabnen, we've discussed here that what is done in Allah's name is not done in God's name as they are not the same deity.

One demands death, the other brings life.

800 Kefirah  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 10:15:00am

i am shaken to my core. everyone should have to watch this.

801 carlung  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 10:34:43am

unfortunately these Muslims are on the same planet as us!
And where is "Rage Boy"?

802 SpiritOf1683  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 11:05:09am

re: #352 godfrey

God grant us long lives to fight this tide of evil men.


What a pity the World War I and II generations plus the likes of Winston Churchill couldn't have been given 200-year-plus lives to show us how it should be done.

803 Rishonah  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 11:09:17am

I have watched the whole thing, and I will watch it again in case I missed something, but frankly, I don't see what all of the fuss has been about. The film was beautifully presented, but there was nothing new in it. It was a good review of the world since 9/11, but there was nothing particularly shocking or surprising in it. The hysteria of European politicians is revealing in ways which, if they were at all self-aware, would make them cringe.

I appreciate Geert Wilders making this film, and I commend his courage in the face of murderous threats. And I thank Charles for providing it for all to see.

804 SpiritOf1683  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 11:25:23am

re: #615 infidel4ever

Well, let me give you a short update on the Netherlands post-Fitna.

However, in a poll the other day 57 % of the people thought that the mass immigration of Muslims into my country was "the biggest mistake we ever made in our history". There is still hope.


That means you almost certainly can't be English. Any criticism of Islam here gets you labelled as the worst kind of racist and fascist - even after 7/7. Today, on my way back home from work, I saw a motley collection of people showing solidarity with the Palenazis, displaying Palenazi flags and calling for the freedom of Palenazis. They gave me ablamk stare when i shouted to them "Why don't you call for the freedom of Tibetans?"

805 Kenneth M.  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 12:17:48pm

Quran = the terrorist cookbook
Thank you for stirring the pot Mr. Wilders

806 ruddoj  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 12:21:27pm

I am sure many here (and those that have awakened to the threat of fundemental Islam since 9-11) would of added many more verses from the actual Koran in the short film and added many more of the attacks around the world since 9-11 (Bali, Morocco, Israel) and the attempted attacks that have been stopped (Richard Reid, the Canada parliment plot to behead politcal members on live TV).

The film is a brilliant political slap directly at Islam and its followers that demand 'we in the west' follow their dictates and demands.

We can all wish it had more quotes from the Koran or more pictures or was longer, but what Mr. Wilders has done is put his own life on the line for his strong beliefs that Muslim immigration and Islamic terror tactics will continue if, and only if, average citizens continue to say and do nothing for fear of being labeled a racist or a bigot or an Islamaphobe.....we average citizens MUST stand united against this tide of evil and not bow our heads to their threats of intimidation, violence and/or death.

The Muslims that wish us harm (and think we will never stand up against them) while they use our freedoms to infiltrate and destroy our liberties and democracies should expect more of this in the near future.

My hat is off to Mr. Wilders....he has done what many would not dream of doing, and that says as much about Islam as it does Mr. Wilders courage and conviction.

807 ballantrae  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 12:29:02pm

These people are damned liars. Everything they have told us is a lie. I always knew they were full of crap, I didn't realize how much. The only thing that keeps them from attacking us is a very large club held by a very rough man.

-ron

808 tazzerman  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 12:47:38pm

Thank you Mr. Wilders! A fantastic video. May G-d keep you safe.

Unfortunatly, just like Submission (May G-d keep Van Gogh's soul with the rest of the martyrs in the cause agains't global islam), it will be forgotten in the blink of an eye. The amount of airtime it will recieve will be less than the latest commercials for beer, tampons, Preparation-H or latest Brittney Spears loonie tune.

Even then, those on the left who DO see it will dismiss it out of hand as anti-islamist propaganda or some sort of Bush/Cheney/Rove plot.

The entrenchment is that bad on the left.

I would just LOVE to hear Hillary or Obama comment on the film after having actually watched it. No soudn bites, no running it through a focus group, lets here their TRUE, gut reactions.

Thank you Charles for once again providing us Lizards with information that counts.

809 ruddoj  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 12:51:08pm

as many here (and elsewhere) have noted, we owe thanks also to LiveLeak for knowing the battle against fundemental Islam affects us all.....

and when one of us loses, we all lose.

810 ballantrae  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 1:28:09pm

re: #800 Kefirah

Let me guess, you thought, like me, that the Palis were acting like that because of past grievances, or honor, or jealousy, or because we aren't religious enough, or because they want their land back, or because they are simply bastards right? Never occurred to me that they were doing this because their religion demands it.

In light of this film, the "peace process" has zero chance of working.

The Palis have been playing us for fools.

-ron

811 64warhorse  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 1:44:02pm

Well, LiveLeak seems to have pulled it ... what a surprise.

812 Jito463  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 1:50:05pm

Still available on Google video, though. I'm downloading a copy now, just in case they pull it, too.

813 loubob57  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 2:23:36pm

Thanks for the Google video link. I was going to watch it when I got home from work but figured I'd better do it now before it got pulled from more sites.

814 zzzzzzzzzz.....  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 4:28:11pm

Ok then look at the crazy mormons then, same thing, you are right he was branch davidian I think, whatever that was.
re: #728 Josephine

815 Gandalf-in-the-Desert  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 8:12:46pm

Thank you Charles for posting this. You are a courageous man.

I had forgotten much of these images, and it is a good thing, a proper thing, to keep one focused on the calling of our time. Showing this to our moonbat-union educated youth should be a prerequisite to voting. My god the children in this video - is it naught but a fools jest to think they could ever want peace? The infidel's real, sane, effective response diminishes with each death, with each attack. And still the west apologizes... .

816 Student of Objectivism  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 8:18:26pm

re: #782 gman

Thanks gman. But FYI, there are many clips of it on youtube

817 dunkensterin  Fri, Mar 28, 2008 9:55:24pm

Bad guys win. The folks who hosted the film had their lives threatened and it has been closed.

The world needs to wake up before we`re all dhimmis.

818 antishock8  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 5:55:58am

We need more films. We need more. We need more. We also need people who attempt to subvert our Constitution and promote the overthrow of our government arrested and deported... Now. Period. That's it.

819 joan  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 6:21:37am

re: #746 Zimriel

Well said.

820 Sabnen  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 12:49:15pm

re: #799 alegrias

* * *
Sabnen, we've discussed here that what is done in Allah's name is not done in God's name as they are not the same deity.

One demands death, the other brings life.

Thanks alegrias. I'm relatively new and missed those discussions. They are a dark death force and if what they do is not in God's name then it is for Satan.

821 swampscott  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 3:50:53pm

Why is truth banned?

822 wanderer  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 6:05:02pm

#821
swampscott

Evil totalitarians throughout the course of history have always been terrorized by the truth for The Truth Will Set You Free.
The Netherlands and the EUs appeasing power mad rulers obviously fear the truth as do the islamofascists. Western elites (pols, the corrupted media, Saudi purchsed academics, oil profit seduced corporate courtesans, and the left in all western countries along with the islamofascist are all showing the western world their money defiled encrusted assses with their fearful and unified opposition to Wilder's Fitna and its damning reality of the islamic death cult. The need to censor is the sure fire revalation of those who have forfieted their integrity, decency, and popular support.

823 sevoguy  Sat, Mar 29, 2008 10:01:19pm

I hear another Osama Bin Ladin audio tape being released in the next week or so condemning "FITNA" and calling for the death of Geert Wilders. How IRONIC! The religion of peace calling for the death of someone for just reading the from a muslim holy book called the koran.

Sounds SATANIC to me.

If this does happens, it only confirms to the FREE WORLD exact what Geert Wilders is trying to tell us. I am watching very closely WHO is condemning this film. Those that speak out against this film reveal to me something more terrifying that a soviet agent............a traitor to his country and democracy.

I need to point out an article I read several days ago from the Belmont Club:

We've Got Him Now.

It's going to be up to US, here in the USA, to lead the fight against islamist islam. Either we fight the islamists now or our children and grandchildren fight them later.

One other point I feel compelled to make. Remember the flack that President Reagan had to endure during his when he was building up the United States Military, putting a missile shield in Europe and STAR WARS. We are facing the same "democratic" opposition against islam as we faced against communism. Americans we need to take a stand or we will fall.

I direct you to Machiavelli. Please read the Prince and the Discourses on the First 10 Books of Livy to understand how we should deal with this treat. I know, some people have said that islam is the new enemy. But those people have failed to read history and are doomed to repeat it.

We FIGHT NOW from a position of strength or WE force our CHILDREN to fight this war against islam from a weakened position. It is our choice. I vote fight now. I'm not advocating violence. I advocating the preaching of Christianity to the muslim nation. The islamists are the ones preaching "DEATH, MURDER, KILL."


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