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NYT on Hamas 'Insults'

Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:17:26 pm PDT

Lots of readers emailed about this New York Times article by anti-Israel reporter Steven Erlanger, because the headline is so ludicrously understated: In Gaza, Hamas’s Insults to Jews Complicate Peace.

Insults that complicate peace: suicide bombings, rocket attacks, random murder, genocidal intent, indoctrination of children into a death cult. Those kinds of insults do tend to complicate matters, don’t they?

But once you get past the headline, the article itself (although not devoid of the usual New York Times moral equivocating) does expose some of the barbarism of Hamas. You know, the kind of stuff we’ve been yelling about for seven years.

GAZA — In the Katib Wilayat mosque one recent Friday, the imam was discussing the wiliness of the Jew.

“Jews are a people who cannot be trusted,” Imam Yousif al-Zahar of Hamas told the faithful. “They have been traitors to all agreements — go back to history. Their fate is their vanishing. Look what they are doing to us.”

At Al Omari mosque, the imam cursed the Jews and the “Crusaders,” or Christians, and the Danes, for reprinting cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. He referred to Jews as “the brothers of apes and pigs,” while the Hamas television station, Al Aksa, praises suicide bombing and holy war until Palestine is free of Jewish control.

Its videos praise fighters and rocket-launching teams; its broadcasts insult the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, for talking to Israel and the United States; its children’s programs praise “martyrdom,” teach what it calls the perfidy of the Jews and the need to end Israeli occupation over Palestinian land, meaning any part of the state of Israel.

Such incitement against Israel and Jews was supposed to be banned under the 1993 Oslo accords and the 2003 “road map” peace plan. While the Palestinian Authority under Fatah has made significant, if imperfect [Hoot! – ed.] efforts to end incitement, Hamas, no party to those agreements, feels no such restraint.

Since Hamas took over Gaza last June, routing Fatah, Hamas sermons and media reports preaching violence and hatred have become more pervasive, extreme and sophisticated, on the model of Hezbollah and its television station Al Manar, in Lebanon.

Intended to indoctrinate the young to its brand of radical Islam, which combines politics, social work and military resistance, including acts of terrorism, the programs of Al Aksa television and radio, including crucial Friday sermons, are an indication of how far from reconciliation Israelis and many Palestinians are.

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1 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:19:45pm

Close, damn close, but not a flying pig moment.

2 Alouette  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:19:50pm

It's got to be an April Fool's joke by Steve Erlanger.

3 LionOfDixon  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:20:09pm

Yeah, like Hitler was rude to the Jews...

4 alegrias  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:20:55pm

Sounds like another Sunday Jeremiad sermon to me.

5 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:21:02pm

They make Hamas sound like Don Rickles. You hockey puck!

6 code red 21  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:22:16pm

Is this suppose to be an April fool's joke?

7 alegrias  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:22:20pm

Thank you Charles for 7 years of truth-telling. You are among the peacemakers, trusting but verifying.

8 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:22:58pm
9 _remembertonyc  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:22:59pm

this is such BS ...
they do one isolated article ...
(and don't expect any others soon) ...
and the NYT can say "see, we are balanced" ...
screw the NYT ... screw em.

10 Roger  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:23:15pm

Just koranic regurgitation. Not limited to radicals; That's like saying not all badgers are badgers.

11 Sol Roth  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:24:06pm
In the Katib Wilayat mosque one recent Friday, the imam was discussing the wiliness of the Jew.

Huh? What kind of discussion topic is this?

I can never get beyond the craziness of the first paragraph. It's just waves of crazy beyond it. A sea of crazy.

12 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:26:04pm

Well, at least they're not taunts!

13 harrylook  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:27:17pm

In other news, al Qaeda's insults to United States are making it hard to end the so-called "war on terror."

/Steve Erlander

14 Tumulus11  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:27:19pm
'Intended to indoctrinate the young to its brand of radical Islam, which combines politics, social work and military resistance, including acts of terrorism, the programs of Al Aksa television and radio, including crucial Friday sermons, are an indication of how far from reconciliation Israelis and many Palestinians are.'

. The Times reveals one of the enemy's secret weapons.

15 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:27:31pm

re: #12 MandyManners

It's been a grueling day here and IRL. Mayhaps I'm not the only one in need of some laughter.

16 Alouette  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:28:45pm

Today I was expecting to see a whole slew of videos showing Muslim imams preaching love to all humanity, peace on earth, tolerance for everyone, and a condemnation of Islamic terrorism.

17 LionOfDixon  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:29:01pm

Like Charles Manson insulted Sharon Tate...

18 Occasional Reader  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:29:19pm

Yeah, those Jews sure are touchy, aren't they? I mean, what's a little good-natured Semtex among friends.

/

19 chinesearithmetic  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:29:53pm

Since, "fake, but accurate," I'm convinced that the Times headline writer was Frank Gorshin.

20 pegcity  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:29:59pm

nothing exists until the MSM says so.

21 Sol Roth  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:31:42pm

re: #13 harrylook

Ha. Khalid! I didn't see your picture before what with all the hair and stuff.

22 capital L  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:31:46pm

"the programs of Al Aksa television and radio, including crucial Friday sermons, are an indication of how far from reconciliation Israelis and many Palestinians are."

What a joke.

23 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:33:37pm
24 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:33:42pm

re: #16 Alouette

Today I was expecting to see a whole slew of videos showing Muslim imams preaching love to all humanity, peace on earth, tolerance for everyone, and a condemnation of Islamic terrorism.

Muslims don't do April Fools' Day. Professional courtesy.

25 LionOfDixon  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:34:01pm

They have now put Hamas in the same league as that Triumph comic dog...

26 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:34:10pm

I insult them. I wave my private parts in their general direction. Their fathers smelled of elderberries and their mothers were camels.

27 rwmofo  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:34:19pm

“Jews are a people who cannot be trusted,” Imam Yousif al-Zahar of Hamas told the faithful.

Ummm, yeah. Every time "the Jooos" negotiate they won't just surrender and leave this beautiful place they built in the desert.

Plus they eventually shoot back.

You just can't trust them.

/
Back to the real world...

28 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:35:13pm

re: #18 Occasional Reader

Yeah, those Jews sure are touchy, aren't they? I mean, what's a little good-natured Semtex among friends.

/


Israeli plastic explosive is called Semetix.
/

29 rwmofo  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:35:37pm

re: #26 pingjockey

I insult them. I wave my private parts in their general direction. Their fathers smelled of elderberries and their mothers were camels.

LOL. There's a movie that has stood the test of time.

30 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:36:55pm

re: #26 pingjockey

I insult them. I wave my private parts in their general direction.
Their fathers smelled of elderberries and their mothers were camels.

"Look, is there anyone else up there we can talk to?"

31 Sol Roth  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:39:56pm

re: #12 MandyManners

LOL! That movie never gets old.

32 Ben Hur  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:39:57pm

Understated and about 15 years too late.

33 OldLineTexan  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:41:35pm
the wiliness of the Jew

Because if he said wascally, everyone would bust out laughing. And there is no fun in I-slam.

34 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:43:37pm

re: #29 rwmofo

LOL. There's a movie that has stood the test of time.

icanhascheezburger.com...]>

35 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:44:10pm

re: #29 rwmofo

re: #30 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #31 Sol Roth

Now go away or I'll have to insult you some more. My 3 boys think that movie is a riot. So all is not lost if they like Monty Python.

36 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:44:11pm

You don't frighten us, English pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottom, sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called Arthur King, you and all your silly English k-nnniggets. Thpppt! Thppt! Thppt!
GALAHAD:
What a strange person.
ARTHUR:
Now look here, my good man--
HAMAS:
I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed son of pigs and monkeys! I launch rockets in your general direction! Your mother was a pig and your father smelt of bananas.
I wave your bloody parts at your tv cameras, you big-nosed worshipper of Satan
Israeli:
Is there someone else up there we could talk to?
HAMAS:
No. Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a second time-a!
OLMERT:
Now, this is your last chance. I've been more than reasonable.
HAMAS:
(Fetchez la bombe.)
OTHER FRENCH GUARD:
Quoi?
FRENCH GUARD:
(Fetchez la bombe!)
A frightened child is brought up, with a round black bomb tied to him. They put him in a catapult and...
OLMERT:
If you do not agree to my commands, then I shall--
[twong]
Heroic Israeli catches child, cuts off bomb, and throws the bomb back at Hamas. Hamassholes go flying.

37 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:44:17pm

re: #34 goddessoftheclassroom

38 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:44:35pm

A little OT.

Unsusual experience this afternoon.

Been treating a kid with a broken wrist for a couple weeks now.

Mother, Father, Sister come to the appointments. I thought they were from India, (visual perception) but actually from Pakistan.

Normal looking family, kid has an ear ring, sister dressed as a typical early teen, mom's hair is done, western clothes, etc.

We began talking, (how I found out he was from Pakistan originally) discussing Bhutto, etc.

Guy admits to being muslim, (never asked, just offered) and tells me during the red mosque stand-off, he was hoping Mush would have just dealt with the problem old school. Blamed Saudies for much of the radicalism (oil funding), and appeared to me, to have a genuine disdain for the current representatives out their for islam.

Nothing spectacular, just something a little unusual today.

39 sultan_knish  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:44:57pm

Too much of the article is filled with whitewashing Fatah, absurdly claiming that the PA has been cracking down on incitement, when Fatah papers and media openly preach hate

and of course the bulk of the article consists of interviews with "moderates" with quotes carefully cherry picked to present the idea that Hamas is not representative of Palestinian Arabs

so it's more like an attempt to jab Hamas and promote Fatah

business as usual

40 jamgarr  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:46:00pm

re: #36 Kosh's Shadow

I have to admit that the first time I saw the movie I didn't get the k-nnniggets joke.

41 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:46:19pm

PIMF
I missed some of the editing. Here is the corrected version:
HAMAS:
You don't frighten us, Joooish pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottom, sons of a evil people. I blow up my children at you, so-called chosen people, you and all your silly Joooish k-nnniggets. Thpppt! Thppt! Thppt!
OLMERT:
Now look here, my good man--
HAMAS:
I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed son of pigs and monkeys! I launch rockets in your general direction! Your mother was a pig and your father smelt of bananas.
I wave your bloody parts at your tv cameras, you big-nosed worshipper of Satan
Israeli:
Is there someone else up there we could talk to?
HAMAS:
No. Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a second time-a!
OLMERT:
Now, this is your last chance. I've been more than reasonable.
HAMAS:
(Fetchez la bombe.)
OTHER FRENCH GUARD:
Quoi?
FRENCH GUARD:
(Fetchez la bombe!)
A frightened child is brought up, with a round black bomb tied to him. They put him in a catapult and...
OLMERT:
If you do not agree to my commands, then I shall--
[twong]
Heroic Israeli catches child, cuts off bomb, and throws the bomb back at Hamas. Hamassholes go flying.

42 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:47:25pm
43 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:47:28pm

STILL PIMF, but I'm leaving in "French guards" for the pre-Sarkozy days.

44 LeonidasOfSparta  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:48:03pm

Sounds alot like the cr*p dished out by RevTwoWrongsWright--and I don't see alot of difference between the hatespewing fanatic Imams who use their position at the podium as "spiritual leader" of their "flock" to PROMOTE AND PROLONG war, the war they want to NEVER end.

TwoWrongs wants his congregation to hate whitey in perpetuity-- or he'd preach LOVE and bring his congregation to peace and healing. But NO.

Well he might as well be the Imam quoted above: "At Al Omari mosque, the imam cursed the Jews"
how in the bloodyblazes can anyone move forward from that POSITION OF COMPLETE IGNORANCE AND HATE if you keep teaching it?

45 eon  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:48:23pm

I saw this at the local grocery this morning. The most surprising thing to me was that it was on Page One, "above the fold". Normally, I'd expect anything in the Gray Hag even remotely close to being critical of Hamas & Co. to be buried somewhere behind the classifieds- where they usually put the retractions when they get something wrong. (As they so frequently do.)

As for the bit about Hamas being involved in "social work", I would point out that in Germany in the 1920s, the Nazis ran soup kitchens. They regarded them as prime recruiting sites. I suspect that Hamas' "social work" is based on similar motivations, as opposed to any legitimate rationale.

cheers

eon

46 pingjockey  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:48:44pm

re: #36 Kosh's Shadow
Ahahahaha! Thank God we can at least joke a little. This shit is so serious. I was at a work search place yesterday, and the veterans affairs guy is firmly convinced we are at the start of the last days. AKA Revelation.

47 BBEV  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:48:57pm

re: #38 formercorpsman

A little OT.

Guy admits to being muslim, (never asked, just offered) and tells me during the red mosque stand-off, he was hoping Mush would have just dealt with the problem old school. Blamed Saudies for much of the radicalism (oil funding), and appeared to me, to have a genuine disdain for the current representatives out their for islam.

Nothing spectacular, just something a little unusual today.

I have a friend from there also and he is Muslim also and he says the samething. He's a good guy.

48 LeonidasOfSparta  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:51:39pm

re: #26 pingjockey

LOLOL indeed.

49 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:55:13pm

re: #47 BBEV

It does not surprise me there are muslims out there like that.

If you were to ask me, I would probably bet this guy is not praying towards mecca 5 times a day, nor is he keeping halal.

Their daughter is a cutie, and I would bet she might be fighting the boys off at school.

Mom, dressed like any of the women in my family looks like she is ready to go shopping at the mall after the appointment, and the belly on dad looks like he might be enjoying some good American brew throughout the week.

I really wanted to ask, if muslims like them existed, why the hell are we not seeing them?

Like I said, it was not my everyday encounter, and I wanted to pass it along.

50 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:55:27pm

re: #47 BBEV

I have a friend from there also and he is Muslim also and he says the samething. He's a good guy.

On 9/11, my immediate VP was Muslim, and he did not like what was done. But then, he is from India, and was working for an Israeli-American company; hardly jihadi stock.

51 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:56:37pm
“If you take a sample on Friday, you’re bound to hear incitement against the Jews in the prayers and the imam’s sermon,” said Mkhaimer Abusada, a political scientist at Al Azhar University here. “He uses verses from the Koran to say how the Jews were the enemies of the prophet and didn’t keep their promises to the prophet 1,400 years ago.”

This is an MSM acknowledgement of phallustinian jihadist practices, including:
1. Incitement against Jews from the pulpit; and
2. The existence and routine use of anti-Semitic verses from the Koran.
Nothing new here to LGF, but this is an implicit endorsement of Wilder's documentary and perhaps also a sign that the dhimmitude of the MSM is not without limits.

52 Roger  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:57:12pm

I thought there was something strangely stereotypical of this guy but I never caught it till now with the help of Yousif al-Zahar.

53 uptight  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 2:57:24pm

When Liberals are fully detached from the reality of the middle East, they can content themselves with most aspects of the situation by adopting the usual positions and excuses. You know the drill - it's all the fault of Western imperialism. Zionism is to be condemned because it is a franchise of Western imperialism.

A detached Western liberal can even find excuses for Hamas. They think of them as "the noble savage" or imagine that have been forced into extremism by Isreali barbarity, or they think of the genocide bombings as acts of resistance that is part of a spiral of violence perpetrated by both sides that will not end until israel takes down the wall and gives the Paleos Judea, Samaria and the whole of Jerusalem - at which point Hamas will turn into a bunch of treehugging hippes.

Only truly evil liberals find themselves embracing Hamas if they actually meet them face-to-face. Like those scumfucks from the ISM.

Well meaning nice Liberals collapse into a psychological funk of cognitive dissonance, when they meet real Islamists. They no there's no excuse for what they've been excusing all these years. They know that Israel stands head, shoulders and belly button above them in moral comparison and that, if they are o maintain the political stance they've been adopting over the years they are going to have to lie to themselves to accommodate it.

Islamism encompasses nearly everything that Liberals are supposed to be against: equal rights for women and gays, no death penalty, no guns, no religion, freedom of expression etc.

The problem Hamas face is that they are too honest. Naively honest. They don't play to an audience of Western liberals because they haven't yet sussed out that Western liberals are the audience they need to address. So that crap about killing Jews hiding behind trees stays in their covenant and they don't lie about wanting to destroy the state of Israel.

If they were clever liars like Ahmadinejad, they would attempt some Lib-friendly platitudes - they may even deny the worst excesses of Islamism or make empty promises about reform.

God help us when Hamas learn how to lie to Liberals.

54 formercorpsman  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:01:17pm
Such incitement against Israel and Jews was supposed to be banned under the 1993 Oslo accords and the 2003 “road map” peace plan. While the Palestinian Authority under Fatah has made significant, if imperfect [Hoot! – ed.] efforts to end incitement, Hamas, no party to those agreements, feels no such restraint.

Written, as if the world is discussing a chess match.

55 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:01:34pm

re: #41 Kosh's Shadow

(1st, read the original post, which was a version of the Monty Python French knight skit, but with Israelis and Hamassholes. It ended with Hamas launching a child with a bomb at the Israelis, but an Israeli caught the child, and threw the bomb back)
Here is the MSM headline:
Israelis kidnap Palestinian child

56 Querent  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:04:05pm

OT, but not exactly irrelevant:

on msn.com Video Highlights, #1 of 4 is the Paleostinian Puppet Theater.

Complete with screen shot.

Just saw it before coming here.

No fooling.

57 bosforus  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:05:23pm

re: #47 BBEV

My car broke down in Fremont while driving from Sacramento to LA. Two mechanics from Tehran that owned a shop and that worked mostly on high performance European cars stayed past closing driving around town looking for a starter for my '89 Cherokee. Nicest people I met the entire summer.

58 Spiritualized  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:07:40pm

Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, PLO, al-Aqsa Brigade. etc. etc.

Different departments in the same company, under one managing director - Islam.

59 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:08:19pm

re: #11 Sol Roth

Huh? What kind of discussion topic is this?

I can never get beyond the craziness of the first paragraph. It's just waves of crazy beyond it. A sea of crazy.

The alleged wiliness (i.e. dishonesty; cleverness; foxiness; shrewdness; trickiness) of the Jew has been a favourite topic of anti-Semites throughout history. Too bad Jews weren't smart enough to outwit Hitler, the Spaniards, the Czar, the Romans, the Persians, the Macedonians, etc.).

60 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:08:37pm
61 ayatollah ghilmeini  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:11:47pm

The one really good thing about the article is speaks a greater truth than writer's attempt to characterize Palestinians political sentiments.

The Times, which has studious ignored this vicious genocidal bilge until now, let their readers see Hamas with the mask off.

For verteran LGFers or any educated member of the pro-Israel community, this stuff is all known.

Read this article and pretend you are a left of center average person who does not know a whole lot about the conflict: after you clean up your coffee you spilled in shock reading this vented spleen, you will rightly wonder why Israel does not destroy Hamas tomorrow, there can never be peace with such people. To any fair minded reader seeing this article Israel's dilemma of dealing with Palestinians is made crystal clear.

I say send this article to everyone you know- the old gray lady may not get it right but what is said is so destructive of the left/Islamist perspective on the conflict that any effort to mollify the article's damage fails.

62 BBEV  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:11:53pm

re: #54 formercorpsman

It's to bad they can't all be that way. Life would be so much better.

63 BBEV  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:15:11pm

re: #57 bosforus

My car broke down in Fremont while driving from Sacramento to LA. Two mechanics from Tehran that owned a shop and that worked mostly on high performance European cars stayed past closing driving around town looking for a starter for my '89 Cherokee. Nicest people I met the entire summer.


I have a good friend from Lebanon ( he's Christian ) he is just like that. Knows how to take care of customers and happy to do it.

64 bosforus  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:16:32pm

re: #63 BBEV

Yeah, I thought they were going to charge me up the ying-yang too but they didn't. Made me happy.

65 PeaceAtAllCosts  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:18:43pm

Those Jews who have complained to the NYT have a short memory, and will in no time be supporting Obama and his lackeys in their hatred of Israel.

Two things you can count on:
1. The New York Times loving and understanding the motivations of the Islamic Murderers in Gaza and the West bank.

2. The majority of Jews in this nation supporting politicians who are aiming to first give away Israel's land, and then support her demise via the "peace process."

It makes me want to vommit.

66 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:18:51pm
67 BBEV  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:22:59pm

re: #64 bosforus

Yeah, I thought they were going to charge me up the ying-yang too but they didn't. Made me happy.


So are you going to use them again?

68 pegcity  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:25:04pm

re: #65 PeaceAtAllCosts

Those Jews who have complained to the NYT have a short memory, and will in no time be supporting Obama and his lackeys in their hatred of Israel.

Two things you can count on:
1. The New York Times loving and understanding the motivations of the Islamic Murderers in Gaza and the West bank.

2. The majority of Jews in this nation supporting politicians who are aiming to first give away Israel's land, and then support her demise via the "peace process."

It makes me want to vommit.

Becoming a liberal means giving up your sanity and religion

69 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:26:41pm
70 alansfmd  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:26:54pm

Erlanger can finally write the truth about what is happening in Gaza because he doesn't have to worry about losing access to his sources or worrying about what might happen when he started his car. He doesn't have to worry anymore about writing a few words that might piss off the Palis.

He's leaving the country!

[Link: www.honestreporting.com...]

He's admitting that for his entire tenure at the Jerusalem bureau he couldn't write what was really happening just like CNN's Eason Jordan in Baghdad.

[Link: query.nytimes.com...]

71 Roger  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:29:36pm

re: #70 alansfmd

Wow! Journalism is a sorry discipline if it can be called one.

72 bosforus  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:31:13pm

re: #67 BBEV

So are you going to use them again?

:)
Only if I'm in the area. And seeing as how I live in Salt Lake now, it's very doubtful. But I lost their business card otherwise I'd recommend them.

73 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:39:01pm

re: #66 ploome hineni

Jews became the ultimate non violent pacifists..thinking everything could be negotiated

everylife could be ransomed

the Jewish mindset...'why would anyone want to kill/destroy/slaughter a peaceful, submissive, self lothing group of people willing to pay and pay for the privilige of staying alive'

Jews had no concept of the evil pathology of amalek

and after Auschewitz there are still those who would forget

as the world seems to be preparing for the destruction of ISrael

At least now, for the first time in history, the Jews have a country with a powerful army and a nuclear arsenal. Maybe not enough to defeat the combined hordes of the entire middle east, but this time IF (and that's a big if) the bullies dare launch a Major attack, then I think many millions of the fuckers are going to die very quickly, and every Arab major city will be a parking lot.
I think it'll be called WWIII or Armageddon.
NEVER AGAIN!

74 Orbit Rain  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:46:53pm

I think the PA terrorism media should be destroyed...yeah...do it, do it...

DO IT!

...incitement to murder seems to be a punishable act where I come from...

75 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:48:22pm

re: #68 pegcity

Becoming a liberal means giving up your sanity and religion

IMHO you cheapen your arguments with the partisan U.S. political hyperbole about how liberalism means giving up your religion and your sanity. I doubt you really believe that a liberal cannot believe in God and cannot be sane.

76 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:56:44pm
77 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:56:53pm
78 nyc redneck  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 3:56:55pm

re: #73 sparrowlake

At least now, for the first time in history, the Jews have a country with a powerful army and a nuclear arsenal. Maybe not enough to defeat the combined hordes of the entire middle east, but this time IF (and that's a big if) the bullies dare launch a Major attack, then I think many millions of the fuckers are going to die very quickly, and every Arab major city will be a parking lot.
I think it'll be called WWIII or Armageddon.
NEVER AGAIN!

i too think israel will fight back when the pin pricks from hamas reach a greater level of harm. hamas now has iranian made missiles and has no intention of letting up on their campaign of terror. their goal is to reach further into israel and kill more people. they are not interested in peace.
israel will act on these scum.

79 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 4:10:31pm

I'm wondering if Erlanger might be the victim of the NYT editorial department. There's a serious piece of news in here struggling to be heard through the wet blanket.

Here is Erlanger in his own words (albeit, last year) in an interview with Calvin Sims. He does make an effort to empathise with the Palestinians, but he doesn't side with them. He calls the Gazans on their "cult of martyrdom" and also notes that, yes, the Israelis have had to deal with terrorism from them. Stunningly he even likens the Palestinian gangs to a Mafia racket. He doesn't talk like a propagandist.

80 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 4:16:38pm

re: #77 buzzsawmonkey

"Never Again" has become a sad joke, replaced by "Over and Over Again."

That's if we're talking about genocide in general. If we're talking about Jews, it's "Over and Over Again, with Our Own Collaboration."

The Jews have not been mass murdered since Hitler.
Never again means exactly that.

81 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 4:19:43pm
82 redc1c4  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 4:21:36pm

re: #26 pingjockey

I insult them. I wave my private parts in their general direction. Their fathers smelled of elderberries and their mothers were camels.

that's not an insult... this is an insult:

Dear dork;

You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As we say
in Texas, I'll bet you couldn't pour p!ss out
of a boot with instructions on the heel.

You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer
than be seen with you. You're a putrescent
mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but
the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a
cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a
revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly
with the effluvia and offal accompanying your
alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to
nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling,
giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of
what they had done. I will never get over the
embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an
ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very
thought of you.

You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile,
worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a
fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell? Try to edit
your responses of unnecessary material before
attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a
nincompoop will still be available to readers,
but they will be able to access it more rapidly. The food you eat reviles
you.

You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its
beak into your brain, and upon finding it
rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with
the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood.

May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish
beliefs. You are weary, stale, flat and
unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and
disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus.
Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you.

You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land
that reality forgot. And what meaning do you
expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing,
inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do
you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have
more weight than that of a leprous desert rat,
spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?

You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and
obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech.
You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You
are a disease, you puerile, one-handed,
slack-jawed, drooling, meatslapper. On a good day you're a half-wit. You
remind me of drool. /end part 1

83 ronnie schreiber  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 4:27:38pm

In Mississippi, KKK’s Insults to Negros Complicate Reconstruction

84 ronnie schreiber  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 4:28:46pm

redc1c4,

Now don't hold yourself back. Tell us how you really feel.

85 nyc redneck  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 4:32:34pm

re: #82 redc1c4

the one you put on the troll has me still laughing.
i love it.

86 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 4:38:15pm

re: #76 ploome hineni

I am feeling kind of gloomy lately

(Ploome), if push comes to shove I believe that most Jews and most Americans will unite and stand up for Israel. And I feel sure that Israeli politicians will for the most part unite and put aside enough of their differences to face an existential threat.

87 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 4:46:01pm

re: #81 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, Jews have hardly re-populated enough yet to make a new set of massacres sporting. Give us a little more time.

In the meanwhile, the eagerness with which so many Jews collaborate with those who are rubbing their hands in anticipation waiting for the season to open does not give me confidence in the slogan.

Yeah Buzz, let's give us about a thousand years.
And you know, Buzz, using words like "collaborate" are all well and fine, but I do not believe for a minute that when push comes to shove most Jews will not stand up for Israel's survival.
Of course if what you're really bemoaning is the fact that most Jews both inside and outside Israel believe in a two state solution, then that's a different story.

88 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 4:50:55pm
89 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 4:53:39pm
Intended to indoctrinate the young to its brand of radical Islam, which combines politics, social work and military resistance, including acts of terrorism, the programs of Al Aksa television and radio, including crucial Friday sermons, are an indication of how far from reconciliation Israelis and many Palestinians are.


Why should they reconcile when nearly the whole world pays them in some way to kill?

90 redc1c4  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 4:59:58pm

re: #84 ronnie schreiber

redc1c4,

Now don't hold yourself back. Tell us how you really feel.

re: #85 nyc redneck

the one you put on the troll has me still laughing.
i love it.

Usenet has/had some truely erudite people posting to it...

i simply saved the best ones i saw.

there's more of the long one, if anyone wants it, or i could email it to interested parties...

i meant to lay this one on him, but i had it saved wrong:

BTW: You haven't a distant clue what you're talking about. In fact, you
couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season if you stood in the
middle of a field of horny clues, smeared your body with clue musk and
did the clue mating dance.

/nic is blue

91 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 5:09:58pm

re: #88 buzzsawmonkey

Chomsky and Finkelstein are IMO completely mentally deranged, and are therefore not deserving of your concern. They are fringe psychotics, and do not deserve to figure in this discussion.
Rabbi Lerner is more of a problem - but there have always been and still are a few Jewish sects who honestly do not believe in the existence of the State of Israel. These Jews must be marginalized but still tolerated and protected, for they base their views in honestly held religious beliefs.

As far as rejection of the two state solution, I can't help you. You are, I believe, in the minority both inside and outside Israel. Until and unless that changes, you are doomed to be frustrated. I personally wish for the same end result as you do, but I choose to defer to the Israeli political system, since I am not an Israeli and therefore have no right to tell Israelis what to believe.

92 Robert Schwartz  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 5:11:53pm

I assume that this article was written because Erlanger is leaving soon, and he wants to be able to tell folks in the US: "Oh, yeah, I explained that Hamas wasn't very nice to the Israelis."

Erlanger is still an anti-Semite, a terrorist toadie, and an @$$#01&, who works for an organization run by deranged anti-American leftist radicals.

Did I leave anything out?

93 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 5:24:40pm
94 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 5:57:48pm

Breaks in structural integrity of skyscrapers complicated peace between the United States and Al Qaeda.

95 Karmapolice  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 7:00:15pm

Did anybody notice his wording at the end?

an indication of how far from reconciliation Israelis and many Palestinians are.

Implying absolutely no Israeli's are ready to reconcile but some Palestinians are?

96 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 7:10:30pm

re: #93 buzzsawmonkey

The Israeli establishment has deluded itself into the same appeasement policies that infect the Democrats here, and has cut itself off from its Jewish roots.

Sorry Buzz, I just got back on.
I think most Jews would love to keep all of Biblical Eretz, but that is besides the point.
But more to the point, did I miss a major U.S. policy speech? Since when did it become Republican policy for Israel not to have to give up Gaza and most of the West Bank. And since when did this become a partisan political issue in the U.S. at all? And for that matter when did it even become an issue between Dem Jews and Rep Jews?
Buzz, as far as I know opposition to the 2 state solution is not a major live issue in the U.S. at all except perhaps among a relatively small minority of orthodox Jews.
Am I wrong?

97 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 7:16:56pm

re: #95 Karmapolice

Did anybody notice his wording at the end?

Implying absolutely no Israeli's are ready to reconcile but some Palestinians are?

You are absolutely right. It shows how deep-seated the bias is.

98 Zimriel  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 8:59:42pm

I don't even consider Gaza part of Eretz; even in the Bible it's by turns Canaanite and Philistine. I daresay most Israelis would be happy to let 'em keep it as long as they quit with the murderous stupidity.

Hell, they don't even have to quit being evil. Imagine if the Sicilian mob took over? They worst they'd do is build large casinos, make piles of money and whack anyone bad for business. The Gazans would be richer than Saudi princes and Israelis from Ashqelon etc would be begging to work there.

Thinking about how many opportunities the Palestinians have routinely f*cked up makes my heart hurt :(

99 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 9:12:11pm
100 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 9:14:20pm
101 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 9:17:01pm
102 big L  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 9:34:42pm

...forgot kidnapping...

103 sparrowlake  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 9:35:45pm

re: #100 ploome hineni

He really is disgusting.
You know, with all the talk about Rev. Wright and how he should have been shut up long ago by his own church administration, I'm wondering how it is that someone like Lerner has been allowed by his superiors to keep his rabbinical status. Is he not answerable to anyone? Is he even an official rabbi?

104 Robert Schwartz  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 10:01:38pm

re: #103 sparrowlake

Lerner is Jewish. He is not part of an organized religion.

105 Rkrocket  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 10:34:41pm

Those comments are supposed to be banned under the Oslo Accords! Somebody from the UN, please spring into action!

106 freedomnut  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 10:53:33pm

Dear Mr. Steven Erlanger,

I just finished reading your article "In Gaza, Hamas’s Insults to Jews Complicate Peace," at nytimes.com, and I feel compelled to ask a question: are you plagiarizing some Arab newspaper somewhere? "Insults?" At the very least, it's "Hate Speech," and I would expect an esteemed reporter for the world-renowned New York Times (like yourself) to know that. If the same were happening in America, for instance white people calling for the destruction of all Mexicans, using words like "God, please kill them all and don't leave even one," I'm sure you would have chosen a different heading. Instead, your title reeks of bias.

In fact, after perusing some of your other articles, I see a general pattern of bias that I can only describe as anti-Israeli if not pro-Israeli refugee (for there is not, nor has there ever been, such country as "Palestine"). "Israeli Forces Kill," "Israel Resumes," "Israel's [plan] Backfires," "Israel Takes Gaza Fight to Next Level," "Israel Vows [to allow] Supplies," and "Israeli Operations to Continue" certainly cast Israel as an aggressor, while other titles with "Hamas Asks Militants Not To Fire," "Isolation of Gaza Chokes Off Trade," "Death Toll In Israeli Raid at 12," and "For Gaza’s Young at Play, Fields Can Be Deadly" seem to dominate the others. These are but a small sample of some very leading ideas for the reader going into each article.

I kindly ask that, if possible, you simply report the news without making your predisposition so clear in the future. Do it for the sake of your profession and all the professionals that try their best.

Sincerely,
(he doesn't know me by name, but I'm just another freedom nut out here in Cowpoke County, Republik of Kalifornia)

107 EIDE_Interface[deleted]  Tue, Apr 1, 2008 11:21:23pm
108 jenv  Wed, Apr 2, 2008 6:27:13am

re: #27 rwmofo

“Jews are a people who cannot be trusted,” Imam Yousif al-Zahar of Hamas told the faithful.

Ummm, yeah. Every time "the Jooos" negotiate they won't just surrender and leave this beautiful place they built in the desert.

Plus they eventually shoot back.

You just can't trust them.


While I appreciate your sarcasm, I think you missed the Koranic imperative here. Yousif is reminding his congregation (or whatever one calls the collective membership of a mosque) that Allah says Jews are untrustworthy, therefore it is true whether or not one's actual experience with Jews implies otherwise.

109 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Apr 2, 2008 8:43:31am
110 Truth Stick  Wed, Apr 2, 2008 8:52:29am

Moment of clarity, or April fool joke?


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