"Islam is a religion of peace"

This slogan is so at odds with observed behavior,but I've figured all this out now.

"Islam is a religion of peace.....of the grave"

Charles,

If there is any we (the folks @ LGF) can do something grassroots (there I go sounding like a leftist) to get word of this vile hate out to the public and raise the awareness of what is going on under our noses, I would like to participate and I am willing to give small amounts of funds to do so.

Sorry for the run on sentence. I am in a rage...

Has anyone forwarded a link to the site and to Charles' post to major news outlets (including Fox)?

It would be amazing if this could be put out in major media. Americans would flock to the site to see, and would be horrified--which is something people desperately need, because the "Islam is a religion of peace" crap is still being spread. All the people not sure would get sure right quick if they saw this.

Of course, the owner of the site will bring it down instantly, but if enough people read it, and if anybody starts saving pages, the mission wil be accomplished: exposure of these hate-filled freaks and their religion.

We need to get people checking out that site before the owner realizes and brings it down.

The enemy within, folks.

AG, I'm also willing.

A mere day after Colin Powell embarrasses himself by phoning the Saudis to reassure them that in no way does the U.S. government consider them an enemy, the Sauds flip us the middle finger:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Enough.

I'm surprised that this is the first time you've heard about the site.

The quotes you posted are disturbing. But, what is even more disturbing is that I have noticed a lot of people on there who say that they are from Western countries like the U.K. and the U.S.

I hope that their suspicions are right, and the FBI is monitoring the site.

NC we can use Saudi land whether they like it or not. We may just have to make a pit stop in Riyadh before we go to Bagdad.

Does anyone know who operates Clearguidance.com? Where does this site originate from?

If it's outside the US I would be very surprised if they took it down. Why should they? Heck, I hope they keep it up so all the anti-American lefties can see who they've been supporting all this time.

I found this link last night. It's beyond words.

Again we are deafened by the silence of the so-called moderate muslims. Their claims that these are fringe elements are sounding more and more like Arafat's condemnations of terrorism. They likely condemn sites like this one while they write their checks to "charities" sending money to suicide bombers.

Should anybody want to contact the "sponsors" of the site with comments, etc, here's the contact info:

Registrant:
Halal Flowers
3400 RearMont Drive
Staten Island, NY 10304
US

Domain Name: CLEARGUIDANCE.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Halal Flowers
Abu Hidayaah
3400 RearMont Drive
Staten Island, NY 10304
US
718-912-8734
maktabah_alsalafiyah@yahoo.com

Would it be wrong to blow up that address?

The important thing here is to point to the site and say, "How does this square with 'the religion of peace'?" Do your absolute best not to say it should be shut down. As disgusting and pathetic as it is, it's an excellent example of what's happening. We should use it as Arab News has been used -- to highlight the hatred, violence, and evil being promoted by the radical Muslims.

If, however, this site can be connected with any act of violence -- even a fricking mugging -- then it should be shut down and its owners bankrupted and jailed.

Charles, in re your comment on the other thread, I don't see what's so suprising about this. We know the Saudis have been funding this crap in the US -- and you know their money's behind this -- and as far as I can tell, there have been Islamist terrorist groups operating in the US for a few decades. White and black separatists and various other cultists are able to raise their kids hating the US while taking advantage of its freedoms, so why not Islamists?

I email O'reilly at Fox about this site. I urge others to email the media about this (fill in your own response)

These kids sound very American to me, and very stupid (which makes them no less dangerous, of course).

It makes me wonder about the kind of web sites Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold (sp?) were visiting. I bet this is an Islamist version of the same kind of thing. I would further bet that most of the kids on there are just mouthing off (and I know that a whole lot of teenage boys get off on really sicko, vile, depraved stuff). However, if just a few of them are prepared to act, that is a few too many.

The major news outlets and Congress should definitely be notified, and if the FBI doesn't already know about this, then God help us all.

Re: #3

The Internet Archive already has stored this site. See the Internet Archive at:

[Link: www.archive.org...]

I watched that decapitation clip last night and noted that it, if not the whole website itself, is the most vile thing I've ever seen on the Internet. Isn't there a law about disseminating snuff films in a public forum?

denise,

It's not hard to imagine that the German kinds in the 1930s had similar things to say to one another. While not all of them became cold-blooded killers, this type of indoctrination allowed them to become desencitized to what was going on. These kids are future Hitler Youth or, more appropriately, Osama Youth.

and then...and then.....and then I would cut the infidel's head off and like spit on it and stuff and cut off his hands and stuff. that would be soooooo cool.
oh and then I would like say that islam is cool and stuff and like america and israel suck. then I would like rock out to Jay-Z and Britney. I mean, unless I killed them because they are infidels.
and also when I was done like defeating the infidel armies, I would like make myself the like prezadent fur life and shit and like impose islamic rule on everybody else just like in sudan and iran so that the rest of the world could like be as cool and advanced as they are.
mess with the halal flowers, get the thorns! peace out.

These kids sound very American to me, and very stupid (which makes them no less dangerous, of course).

Here is a great essay (from last fall) about exactly this connection.
The key quote:

While the anti-American animus in this immigrant community is deeply troubling, are not these young people reflecting back to us the very attitudes we told them to adopt–a sense of entitlement without any sense of duty, and the right to protest "bias" and "hatred" without any corresponding responsibility to show loyalty to the country? Like mainstream students, the Muslim youngsters are allowed and encouraged to indulge in blatant denial of facts, to flout rational standards of truth, and to be ignorant of American history.

Where in the hell are these kid's parents. Are they allowing their children to become steeped in this hate? I see messed up kids everyday, but this kind of language takes the cake. It is the most hateful and selfdestructive thinking I've seen. I'm a big believer in Free Speech, but the explicit threats contained in the site crosses the line.

The Internet Archive already has stored this site.

Hmmm... I'll stop my mirroring for the moment. I might start it up again, but I don't want to be accused of trying to use all their bandwidth.

Charles,

I've been an avid fan of your site for some months now. I made the mistake of watching the video on the Clearguidance site of the Russian soldier being slowly decapitated...

I think I'm going to be sick. I have never, in all my life, seen something so depraved and revolting. Worse still was the nonchalant attitude of those vile fiends Clearguidance. One poster actually had the intestinal fortitude to claim that reveling in that kind of filth only gives Islam a bad name, and that if the shoe were on the other foot and they were watching videos of Jews executing Muslims, they'd be up in arms.

The response? A big, "Well, we're the true religion, so it's OK." One poster questioned the doubter's manliness. Another claimed that it was actually for the good of the poor Russian soldier, since he would be saved by Allah for having been killed by a Muslim.

I used to despise people of this sort, but now I feel something even stronger. I cannot even describe what I feel, just that it is something even more powerful than blind rage. These people need to be wiped from the face of the Earth.

Ironically, the video may be their undoing. The look on the face of that man as his throat was slowly cut open is something which I will probably carry with me for the rest of my life. I have no shame in admitting that I have a weak stomach for gore, and this was probably the worst I've ever seen.

When I was at Army Airborne School during my ROTC days, I saw a female cadet lying on the ground, her spine compacted after landing incorrectly. She was already being attended to by medics, so I continued to run back to the recovery area. I've felt horrible about having seen that ever since. This is far worse. I think virtually anyone who sees this video, provided they aren't a militant Muslim, would feel the same way.

Spread the news of these people across the blogosphere. Once it hits enough sites, the regular media is sure to pick it up. I intend to e-mail it to National Review right now. I'm sure Goldberg, Derbyshire, et. al. would be interested in seeing just how depraved someone can be. Get it to Alterman, see if he will pressure MSNBC into doing something on it. For God's sake, make this atrocity, and the starry-eyed reaction to it, known to as many as possible. Let the American public see just what we are facing. Let them see that there is no middle ground to be found with these vermin. Let them see what could happen to them one day, simply because they belong to a "false" religion and a "decadent" culture.

Jim M is correct: where's the condemnation to this sort of atrocity from the so-called moderates of the religion of peace? The Arab news media, if they are even deserving of such a title, daily exhort the killing of infidels. When will we wake up from our Oprahfied national slumber and finally realize that these people want nothing more than to kill or forcibly convert us?

I was trying to find some info about that clip and came across this piece, which I thought was worth sharing. Always amazing how different people react to the same thing.

unknown russian soldier

so young.
he looked so young
and so afraid.
i wanted to help him but i couldn’t,
was watching his demise long after it’s appointment.
the soldier, grainy black and white on the screen – thank god no red
no red – a boot on his face, cheek in the dirt
eyes knowing even though
no doubt
the fight or flight response still rippled through his limbs.
he knew.
i knew.
the knife slid cleanly into his throat and
i
became empty.
this was the first time i had seen death.
i’m inside out, wretched, appalled as much at the
hand that held the camera without shaking
as at the hand that wielded the blade.
a lesson in the anatomy of disgust; it’s no comfort that my sickness
proves my humanity.
he was someone’s son and he was scared.
i am turning my heart inside-out in an effort to bring him back but he will never taste tears again.
how the meaning of death must have left these people long ago.
they were able to do this. how were they able to do this?
i am a coward.
couldn’t watch to the end. he had no choice. i did.
i was afraid.
i am still afraid
shaking
retching
crying
moaning.
for now this stranger’s death is the greatest tragedy in the world.
i wonder how long it will take for this feeling to
cease.
as he did

[Link: www.webspawner.com...]

Looks like a fake address. According to Mapquest the address is almost directly under the overpass.

If i was the FBI i would check this out for sure. Looks like a good place to put a bomb to blow up some morning trafficers.

Folks,

I am trying to get one of our local Talk Radios to take notice of this site. If need be, I will lead the charge in this fight.

contact me with any ideas.

The snuff clip is the single most disturbing image I have ever seen in my life. The idea that these kids consider it not some sort of tantalizing forbidden fruit, but as a major theme in their lives (and several of the posters note that this is only one of many such films they have seen), is the height of barbarity.

I've forwarded the links to Best of the Web where hopefully they will meet a wide audience. It may be worth alerting the FBI to this site, since the whois info is all American. I don't know that they're doing anything illegal, but let the feds figure that out.

Blogwatcher,

Mapquest doesn't always show the right place and there are plenty of shops uder overpasses in NYC.

Like many other people that have already commented, I watched the video and read most of the posts on that thread. Like others, I have that rage-like feeling as well.

But it is not rage. It is something different. These people know what rage is and we see it when we are shown footage of the "Arab street." It is explosive, fiery rage.

What we feel is something different. It is not a fiery hate inspired conflagration in the mind. What we feel is cold. Cold steel hardening of our minds and hearts. It is like in a Clint Eastwood movie such as Unforgiven or Josey Wales where you see his jaw tighten and his eyes narrow and you know that people are going to die. This is what this does to us.

Unfortunately for them, they don't understand this about us, and when they do, it will be too late. They're signing their own death sentence.

Re: #3, yes, I said last night (on another thread) that it would be a good idea to alert the BBC, NYTimes and the other leftie papers about this. After all, one mans "Freedom Fighters" are a sane man's total freakin' lunatics. I'd like to see their editorial boards take a "stab" at reconciling "peace loving muslims" with this vile spew.

San Fran Chronicle would be a good place, too.

San Jose Mercury might actually run with it.

Focus on:
Snuff Films
Islam/Muslim youth in the US and UK
Killing Jews
Staten Island

and couch your emails respectfully.

Jack,

"They" are here, and they are American and Canadian citizens. They may go to school with your kids.

Ive seen alot of shit, but that murder made me sick to the bone. Those people are vile animals and they deserve to be crushed! I hope that soldiers comrades kills tons of those jihadis.

more info on this registrant:

Domain Name: TALIBAN-NEWS.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Halal Flowers
Abu Hidayaah
3400 RearMont Drive
Staten Island, NY 10304
US
718-912-8734
maktabah_alsalafiyah@yahoo.com
Domain created on 04-Dec-2001
Domain expires on 04-Dec-2003
Last updated on 04-Dec-2001
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.HN.ORG 64.71.163.40
AUX1.HN.ORG 64.71.163.43

I hate to play gas half empty guy, but if the "mainstream" (read: networks beside fox and newspapers beside WSJ) won't even outright condemn the actual murder of Jews, why would they give to shits about some kids merely talking about it.

Until the "mainstream" world sees that killing Jews is not justified, we have nothing to talk about with them.

Sorry, I'm a bit cranky today, but if all the garbage spewing from the Arab World is nothing but peaceful desperation to the liberal self-hating journo's then this will not raise an eyebrow.

A storm is brewing and either they will be with us or against us, Bill Clinton's rifle be damned.

Alfred

I don't have any kids, I'm 22. Yes, I know "they" are here. This is why it is even scarier. At least Israel can build a wall.

I confess that I can't bring myself to click on that link; I don't want to see this stuff. I couldn't watch the Daniel Pearl video, either. I just can't.

And I don't need to see it to know how barbaric and dangerous these "people" are or what a threat they are to civilization, democracy and culture everywhere. The Muslims who enjoy the freedoms of the West (which are utterly unattainable in Islamoland) consider us weak; they are laughing at us as they turn our strengths against us.

The FBI better be monitoring this stuff!! If not, the inescapable conclusion is that they are so clueless as to be useless, and that's a scary thought. I've heard that the FBI is "helping" investigate the bombing at Hebrew U., as if the Israelis need our "help" in this regard. We could (and should) take lessons from them.

As far as I'm concerned, every single Muslim who is not a citizen of this country should be immediately expelled and no additional visas granted for any reason whatsoever.

And every child living in the U.S. should be required to take courses in civics and American history; their abysmal ignorance is an embarassment.

After more thought, the Atty. Gen. in NYC should be contacted. Clearly, the site contributes to the deliquency of minors. Hopefully, pursuing criminal charges against the site will give a wake up call to parents everywhere.

I didn't watch the videos and didn't read all of their idiotic comments. I don't have to to know that these are not people who can be reasoned with. How do you tell a depraved moron that killing innocent people is wrong? There's only one way to deal with these savages. Ask Israel how.

If you "backtrack" the link to the jihad video to go one level up in the directory, there are a number of other disgusting videos -- one of a man being impaled, another of a man being pulled apart by the arms. I don't encourage anyone to watch them, because they're gross and because there is nothing to be gained from it (although the glee on the faces of the impalement audience is a good clue as to how the clearguidance kids feel about this). The point is simply that the video linked to from clearguidance.com is not an anomaly for these people; they are openly captivated by human dismemberment.

This is why I look at "Israelis are to blame for Palestinian kids being fucked up and sick" articles as USA TODAY ran yesterday and just laugh laugh laugh.

The parents, terror-community, religious quacks, and quasi-state are screwing up these kids in all different directions. It will be interesting to see in 10 to 15 years what will happen when these hundreds of thousands of psychotics gets slow-released into what's left of the world.

I hate to play gas half empty guy

You make a good point, but this is America. Lots of Americans are used to chilling things in the Muslim world. Not emanating from Staten Island though.

Wrangler

Good idea

To #37 - send a letter to the editor of the USA Today with this URL, then.

Some guy named Behz Khan posts a few comments at clearguidance asking if maybe, upon serious reflection, it isn't such a good idea to watch this stuff, and gee, what would we Muslims say if there was a Jewish site like this? Here's the answer he gets:

"Behz Khan, the difference is that Islam is the Truth and Judaism is Faslehood.

We fight and kill for the sake of Allah alone and so that Islam may be raised high and Disbelief may be made low.

They fight for Kufr and Shirk and against Allah.

Your concerns would be valid, if the two parties were equal. But they are not."

Let's be clear. It is not a religion of peace. It is not a religion of tolerance. It is opposed to every single value that a liberal democracy holds dear.

"These kids are future Hitler Youth or, more appropriately, Osama Youth."

That points out something really scary. These kids think Arafat is too soft, and an OBL-type should lead the Palestinians.

But I still think there is a segment of American youth that wants to be outsiders and be rejected by mainstream society, so they can bitch and moan about their oppression (a la Eric and Dylan's trench coat mafia). What serves better right now than radical Islam? It's certainly more nonconformist than goths; and the black clothes and make-up are so 5 minutes ago. Remember the kid that flew a plane into an empty building in Tampa (I think it was Tampa)? It wouldn't surprise me if some of the kids on here are just posers, not really even Muslim.

Again, not to discount the danger. JWL started out as a poser too, and we all know how he ended up. Radical Islam is a dangerous cult, and its violent imagery is especially appealing to adolesent boys. (As I said before, many teenage boys get off on this stuff; snuff films are not an Islamist invention.) It also offers structure and rules to kids who have been raised without them.

There are other dangerous cults out there too. They all are working the internet now. All parents should be very careful. (Maybe that's the line to get mainstream media to listen.)

I have not looked at the site (there are limits to what they tolerate here at work), but is it possible that this is a put on job to provoke this reaction?

Note that I do not think so at this point. The FBI has shown itself to be clueless - and I do not think the CIA or NSA is all that swift in this area either. Perhaps Mossad, but even there I think they are behind the curve on technology.

I only as the question because the site is everything that is bad distilled in one place. It is almost a caricature of what we think Islamofacists would be like.

Kind of like the whole Germans eating Belgium babies in WWI.

Of course, they did worse in things in WWII....

Still, I felt the question needs to be asked and addressed.

Dan -- I was waiting for someone to say "Maybe it's the Mossad," but I didn't think it would be anyone here!

Get real!

"It is almost a caricature of what we think Islamofacists would be like."

So is Arab News! They don't mind being caricatures, as long as Hollywood doesn't creat them.

I just left a message with the StatenIsland Richmond County District Attys Office with the youth violence coodinator. We'll see if she calls back.

Likewise, I'm willing to contribute cash to any effort to "out" this vile, evil religion that is creeping into the US and has mostly taken over Europe. We are allowing ourselves to be taken over without a fight.

Dan,

Are the video caricatures? We think what we think of them becaue of what they've done. Remeber the Danny Pearl video? Was that a fake, too? What about the video from Kabul of people being shot in stadiums?

They don't mind being caricatures, as long as Hollywood doesn't creat them.

Pretty good! I'd rephrase it a bit, though:

"They don't mind being caricatures, so long as no one notices."

It's when you notice that the accusations of racism and bigotry start.

With all due respect. Sorry for sounding this "weird"

Let's all send Little Green Footballs a little bit of dough and start there.

I have contacted Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and some local radio shows.

I am going to be the persistent mofo my sales job has taught me to be with all of them.

This is where the campaign should begin. And we should be screaming loud and clear to all: Do not mess with the USA!

I still think there is a segment of American youth that wants to be outsiders and be rejected by mainstream society, so they can bitch and moan about their oppression (a la Eric and Dylan's trench coat mafia). What serves better right now than radical Islam?

This is true, Denise. But you have to consider that this is a part of their cultural heritage. I know we like to make distinctions between "Islamism" and "Islam", but in truth Jihad as "war against the Infidel" is a storied part of Islam's history. I'm not saying one cannot point to instances of different emphases on other interpretations, historical instances of tolerance (including modern Turkey) etc. In fact we had better make distinctions, because Islam is not going away. We have to work with whatever bright rays there are.

But you have to realize that these kids aren't tapping into some loony tune death cult exactly as a screwed up kid getting into the Aryan Nations would be. We can't dismiss it that easily. There is at least some element of authentic Islamic culture here.

As far as the kids themselves, I see them basically as similar to victims of child pornographers; involved, but becuase of adult exploitation. It's not a 14 year old who set up this site and "taliban-news.com" and I doubt the admins and moderators are children.

BTW, the number for the Dist. Atty is 718.876.6300. Go to the selection for youth violence and gangs on the menu.

I have not looked at the site (there are limits to what they tolerate here at work), but is it possible that this is a put on job to provoke this reaction?

No. It's a dynamic message board. You refresh the page every 10 seconds and there are new threads, comments, questions etc.

Also the posting style by the many members is impossible to imitate precisely, sort of how it's really impossible for an adult to authentically imitate the crayon drawings of a kindergartner. These are young teenagers for sure.

Fun with networking stuff:

First, I did:

C:tracert.exe [Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

...

The last few lines of the restuls read as follows.

8 40 ms 40 ms 40 ms so-1-0-0.mp1.Dallas1.Level3.net [209.247.11.22]

9 30 ms 40 ms 40 ms pos8-0.core2.Dallas1.Level3.net [209.247.10.102]

10 50 ms 60 ms 60 ms p1-0.Level3.dllstx01.us.bb.verio.net [209.245.240.154]

11 60 ms 50 ms 60 ms p4-1-0-0.r01.dllstx01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.3.74]

12 60 ms 61 ms 60 ms p16-0-1-0.r21.dllstx01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.3.28]

13 90 ms 80 ms 70 ms p16-3-0-0.r00.hstntx01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.5.5]

14 70 ms 80 ms 80 ms ge-1.ev1.hstntx01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.10.70]

15 71 ms 90 ms 80 ms 207.218.223.34

16 80 ms 80 ms 90 ms 216.40.250.8

Items 15 and 16 are the origins of the site.

Next, go here:

[Link: www.samspade.org...]

And scrolled down to "WHOIS"

Typed in both of the last IP addresses, and came up with this (the host IP):

=============================
Everyones Internet, Inc. (NETBLK-EVRY-BLK-6)
2600 Southwest Frwy Suite 500
Houston, TX 77098
US

Netname: EVRY-BLK-6
Netblock: 216.40.192.0 - 216.40.255.255
Maintainer: EVRY

Coordinator:
Williams, Randy (RW172-ARIN) admin@ev1.net
(713) 400-5400 x255

Domain System inverse mapping provided by:

NS1.EV1.NET 216.88.76.6
NS2.EV1.NET 216.88.77.7

ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE

Record last updated on 05-Oct-2001.
Database last updated on 6-Aug-2002 20:00:12 EDT.

The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's.
Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related
Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information.

** AND ***

whois -h magic 207.218.223.34
Trying whois -h whois.arin.net 207.218.223.34
Everyones Internet, Inc. (NETBLK-EVRY-BLK-1)
3333 Katy Frwy
Houston, TX 77007
US

Netname: EVRY-BLK-1
Netblock: 207.218.192.0 - 207.218.255.255
Maintainer: EVRY

Coordinator:
Williams, Randy (RW172-ARIN) admin@ev1.net
(713) 400-5400 x255

Domain System inverse mapping provided by:

NS1.EV1.NET 216.88.76.6
NS2.EV1.NET 216.88.77.7

ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE

Record last updated on 24-Feb-2000.
Database last updated on 6-Aug-2002 20:00:12 EDT.

The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's.
Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related
Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information.

=============================

Seems to me them Texans may not appreciate their local businesses aiding and comforting terrorists. Anyone up for some letters to the editor, etc?

I mean free speech is one thing, but this site surely crosses the "shouting fire in a crowded theater" test, does it not?

JESUS!

That is down the mother f'n street from me. About two blocks!!!!!!!!!

I am on my way there!

"But you have to consider that this is a part of their cultural heritage."

James, What I'm saying is I would bet a few of these kids are not Arab, but are about as WASPy as you can get.

Still, you'd be right in that part of the cultural heritage in 2002 WASP America is (1) parents not paying a lick of attention to what their kids are doing; (2) kids being taught that if it feels good, do it; (3) violence as entertainment; (4) the attitude that all cultures are equal and that intolerance is the only thing not to be tolerated (even intolerance of the most cruelly intolerant).

By the way, I agree that violence is part of "mainstream" Islam to a much greater extent than most people realize.

I am not going there to kick their doors in just yet. I need some idea of what to do.

Any help from LGF would be appreciated.

Re: #53, no, it's not fire in a crowded theater any more than Aryan hate sites are.

It _is_ however, the publication of obscene material, incitement to riot, and a handful of other things.

This coward will sit quietly at his desk and encourage you to call the DAs office, and every reporter you know.

James, What I'm saying is I would bet a few of these kids are not Arab, but are about as WASPy as you can get.

Okay, I didn't get your point.

That could very well be true. I doubt John Walker Lindh is the only American apple pie kid who turned on to this stuff.

"Da Bro Area" seems to be a private area where only men are allowed to post. Gynophobic pigs.

Get the word out. Websites like this are the best form of recruitment that other religions can hope for. 1,000 Christian missionaries working for 1,000 years wouldn't be able to convince people as thoroughly as to the repugnance of Islam as this website. Before anyone starts ranting as to anti-muslim prejudice, I come from a muslim background and things like this make me thank God (not Allah) that I didn't have this chauvinistic BS force fed to me growing up. Islam means peace, but the "peace" it means is not the peace of democratic nations living in harmony. It is the peace of repression of the majority by the few interpreters of the faith. It is the peace of a regressive society of misogynistic, insecure pedophiles bent on destroying what they cannot understand. Whatever Islam may have been in the past; a haven of learning and tolerance, it is obvious that it is that no longer. Islamic hegemony is the goal of any and every good muslim. That is what is taught while you're going up. Islamic hegemony is surely the death knell of Western Civilization, tolerance, science, free and intelligent women, The Simpsons....pretty much anything worth living for.

Get the word out.

AG, I'm not an internet guru, but I would guess the following from the various whois info that's been posted:

1. The domain -- the actual site -- is set up and run by the guy in Staten Island, NY.

2. The web site guy has to get his server space from somewhere. It looks to me like he gets his server space and support from the outfit that's down the street from you in Houston. In other words, the local outfit is just a web hosting service.

3. I infer #2 from the fact that the actual IP number blocks are assigned to the Houston outfit. The domain name clearguidance.com -- like lgf.com -- is just a monicker that points your browser to an IP number (e.g, the numbers listed at the end of post #53). Since the Houston outfit owns a very large block of IP numbers, they must be a hosting outfit -- i.e., someone that lets you set up a site by posting your material to their servers and having your registered domain name point to whichever of their IP numbers they choose to assign to you.

Bottom line -- Everyone's Interenet is probably a harmless outfit. It's possible they are an exclusively Muslim web hosting service, but I doubt it.

Charles, can you or anyone else confirm my read of this?

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse. But [Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

From the AK-47 man himself

"I would have preferred to invent something which helps people and makes life easier. Like a lawnmower, for example."

- Mikhail Kalashnikov, 82, inventor of assault rifle, AK-47

Well Allah has willed it to be so it is! I just thought this was an interesting quote, masha Allah...

was-salamu`alaykum

(Some of you could post nice images of the rifle insha Allah... Jazakum Allahu khair!)

You can't make this stuff up.

(yeah, the NRA blah blah blah... you know this is more disturbing)

From page 6 of their "discussion":

Brother Behz, there is worth in such videos, which can be seen simply by taking Ibn Musa's example. Living in the West, we are taught to be 'wimps', not to be able to stand the sight of blood or 'gore'. How are such muslims to go to the battlefield and kill those who oppose Allaah and His Messenger? How are they to do such acts in real life if they cannot even bear to even watch it on a screen? With increased exposure to such scenes, we become desensitized to the fear of blood which has been instilled in us.

Secondly, there is nothing wrong with watching these videos and talking about them as we do, if this too increases our tolerance of such acts and incites us towards them. Whether or not the Kuffar talk about what they do on the internet, rest assured that they do much worse to your very own brothers and sisters.

I have never, ever even considered gutting a Muslim like a fish, slitting a Muslim's throat and rejoicing as I watch his lifeblood seep onto the ground. Viewing this "culture" on display has made me ill to an extent that I didn't know was possible up to this point.

Thirdly, it is pathetic for us to 'complain' about jews boasting and locing to watch videos of mujahids getting their throats cut off, because this is their nature. It is like complaining that a dog wags its tail when it is happy. We cannot expect anything more out of them, so we should spend our efforts combating their kufr rather than complaining about it. Less talk, more action.

I would suggest that we stopped worrying about issues such as, what makes us different from the Kuffar. The difference between us is the difference between the heavens and the earth. Anyone who cannot see this needs to check themselves and their beleifs. As HammerStorm said, the very fact that our actions are dictated to us by our Creator, Allaah, and theirs are dictated by their desires and the Shaytaan in itself is enough.

I am speechless. This typifies so much of what is wrong with Islam(ists), it isn't even funny.

AG -- further to my last post, the point is that Everyone's Internet probably doesn't even know what clearguidance.com is.

But perhaps, if you let them know, they might not take a shine to it -- and they might just boot clearguidance from their servers.

[Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

They've noticed us.

Asalamulaikum,

There are a lot of guests on right now! 278 in total! Is that an error?

denise,

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that some of the posters are actually not-Muslims, but of European ethnic origin?

There are a lot of guests on right now! 278 in total! Is that an error?

Followed, I'm sure by:

"By Allah (pbuh)! We are winning! More are turning to the truth than every before!"

AG...

Lets continue with our investigation, shall we:

Here is a contact page for the Internet hosing company:

[Link: www.ev1.net...]

The parent company is Everyones Internet, Inc.

I'd love to look up their registration information with the Texas Secretary of State, but they charge for their search of business records.

Jonathan:

Everyone's Internet appears to be an innocent hosting service. For example, EV1 also hosts Laurence Simon's pro-Israel blog at [Link: users2.ev1.net...]

These animals may be in other parts of the country. I hope the FBI knows where.

I think Denise was positing that.

Upon reflection I wouldn't be surprised.

For example, there was a kid who posted a single photo of the Kabaa stone in a thread, title "Kabaa" with a nice happy smiley.

Now, I can't say for sure, but as a religious Jew I can't imagine a Jewish kid in touch with his religious heritage posting a picture of the Western Wall without comment and a smile; unless he's new to it. To me it seems as if that person was excited about it, like it was fresh to them. That's not to say the poster isn't a Muslim, or a longtime Muslim. But maybe not. The likelihood that John Walker Lindh is the single American kid to become attracted to this sort of thing is small.

There are sections with questions from obvious "beginners" etc.

However it's certain that many or most of them are Muslim and Arab. I've noticed some are self-identified Pakistani, some Palestinian etc.

Hmmmm... this just got mentions from Glenn Reynolds and Jonah Goldberg. If they thought 278 visitors was a lot...

In response to the above,

Yes... I think it is likely that Everyone's Internet is simply the hosting company, although I would bet the entire site goes against their terms of service.

The hosting company looks to be above board, but some searching has turned up some really ironic things.

For example, the company apparently joined forces with the Jewish Community Center of Houston to put on a community service event.

[Link: www.ev1.net...]

I doubt they have any idea of the noxious stuff on their servers.

Oh, and here's the blurb on that taliban-news.com site (the one apparently hosting or linking the video).

whois -h magic TALIBAN-NEWS.COM
taliban-news.com is registered with DOMAINDISCOVER - redirecting to whois.domaindiscover.com

whois -h whois.domaindiscover.com taliban-news.com

This WHOIS database is provided for information purposes only. We do
not guarantee the accuracy of this data. The following uses of this
system are expressly prohibited: (1) use of this system for unlawful
purposes; (2) use of this system to collect information used in the
mass transmission of unsolicited commercial messages in any medium;
(3) use of high volume, automated, electronic processes against this
database. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this
policy.

Registrant:
Halal Flowers
3400 RearMont Drive
Staten Island, NY 10304
US

Domain Name: TALIBAN-NEWS.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Halal Flowers
Abu Hidayaah
3400 RearMont Drive
Staten Island, NY 10304
US
718-912-8734
maktabah_alsalafiyah@yahoo.com

Domain created on 04-Dec-2001
Domain expires on 04-Dec-2003
Last updated on 28-Jul-2002

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.HN.ORG 140.239.225.221
AUX1.HN.ORG 140.239.225.222

Register or transfer domains at [Link: www.BuyDomains.com...] - as low as $9/year.
Including FREE: Responsive toll-free support, URL/frame/email forwarding,
easy management system, and full featured DNS.

Assuming you meant 'TALIBAN-NEWS.COM'

whois -h magic 64.191.5.199
TALIBAN-NEWS.COM resolves to 64.191.5.199

Trying whois -h whois.arin.net 64.191.5.199
Network Operations Center Inc. (NETBLK-HOSTNOC-3BLK)
PO BOX 511
Scranton, PA 18501
US

Netname: HOSTNOC-3BLK
Netblock: 64.191.0.0 - 64.191.127.255
Maintainer: NOC

Coordinator:
Arcus, Matthew (ZMA1-ARIN) shawn@hostnoc.net
570-784-2491 x7

Domain System inverse mapping provided by:

NS1.HOSTNOC.NET 66.96.193.3
NS2.HOSTNOC.NET 66.96.194.3

ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE

Record last updated on 31-May-2002.
Database last updated on 6-Aug-2002 20:00:12 EDT.

The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's.
Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related
Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information.

That address has to be bogus. I've never heard of "RearMont Drive," and I grew up in Staten Island, a walk of about maybe 10 minutes to the spot where MapQuest says the supposed "Halal Flowers" is. (Question: Why the heck would _flowers_ have to be halal? That would be like selling kosher ferns and daisies, no?)

Called the phone number. Got a message referring me to eaglevoicemail.com, so if the number ever did work, it was just a mailbox.

It is odd to me that someone would pick Staten Island to use as an address. Yes, there are lots of Arabs there these days, but 'round these parts it seems the militant ones all live in Jersey City and thereabouts.

They've noticed us.

Shall we fuck with them, then (e.g. by posting abusive remarks)? Or do you have to register to post?

Shall we fuck with them, then (e.g. by posting abusive remarks)? Or do you have to register to post?

I did see a comment posted by a guest, unregistered.

I see no utility in "fucking with them". First, you will not convince anyone of anything. Second, I think it'd be best for the site to stay up as long as possible. It's not as if they're planning terror attacks on the board. But what they are doing is providing support for the notion that Houston, We Have a Problem. I think as many people as possible should see this, before the site dissappears.

By the way, where's Jak King and the like to explain to us why it's OK for kids to discuss gutting humans for Allah?

AG, if I were in your location I might consider printing out a few of the pages, walking down to the office, and (politely! of course) asking whether they really want to host this kind of thing.

It is entirely possible, however, that they have a policy of non-interference with content of sites they host, which I respect. Hmm. here's their AUP:
[Link: www.ev1.net...]

It says, among other things: "You may not use your hosted domain site to publish material, which EV1 determines, at its sole discretion, to be unlawful, indecent or objectionable." I'm not sure how they'd feel about it.... but you could make them aware.

By the way, where's Jak King and the like to explain to us why it's OK for kids to discuss gutting humans for Allah?

Jak's busy finding a white supremacist site to "prove" that America's no better. It really shouldn't be taking him this long -- after all, they're his favorite sources to cite.

What to do? How to get the word out about these miscreant Mohammedans?

LGF and Tal G. are already doing their part, flagging this stuff to the Blogosphere.

I picked this up from Lileks this morning (I always have Bleats with my coffee) and sent a "Tip" to the WSJ's Best of the Web.

You, too, can help get the word out. Tip "BOTW," send links and letters-to-the-editor to the Times, the Post, the McPaper (USA Today), the Cleveland Plain Dealer; whatever your local publication is called.

Send links and screen captures to the White House, Secretary Powell, Secretary Rumsfeld, your elected representative.

Facts are stubborn things. Bombard leaders, "opinion makers," and thoughtful people you know with the truth, and they will, eventually, get it.

Delinda est Sa'ud!

I honestly don't think getting the site closed will be any kind of victory. Victory would be increasing awareness that such things exist -- here -- and beginning to deal with that problem. Making it go away won't "make it go away".

Looks like they're getting a lot of attention, indeed. The main page, as of about 5 minutes ago (12:50pm EST) showed this:

Currently Active Users: 365
There are currently 16 members and 349 guests on the boards.

Glenn Reynolds and Jonah Goldberg - haven't heard of them. Are they talk show hosts? If so, which metro area do they hail from?

I'd think a link on BotWT and a mention from Sean Hannity would go a long way...

Everyones' Internet must be a terror friendly host. They are also the hosts of a Hamas site: qassam.net. You have to be an Arabic reader for that one though. I've e-mailed everryones' internet.. maybe we all should.

Glenn Reynolds has an extremely popular blog:

[Link: www.instapundit.com...]

And Jonah Goldberg is the editor of National Review Online.

I doubt that most of the kids posting to this site are WASPs – James Lileks had a link to a discussion about honor killing – whether two brothers were justified in murdering their sexually active sister – the question wasn’t whether they should have done it, but whether these brothers should have waited for the proper authorities to ‘take care’ of her (the murder occurred in Jordan, where honor killings are not considered to be a serious crime)

Here is a sample of how the clearguidance kids responded:

…………………
AssalamuAlaikum warahmatullah wabarakatuh

Zareenah, it's the authorites in an Islamic country who must apply the appropriate punishments; for the common people to do it would lead to fitnah and civil disorder.

There are no Islamic countries today, merely Muslim countries.
……

salam

That what I thought, if the authorites actually gave the correct punishment then we wouldn't have these problems, where the families member take it upon themsevles to punish.
__________________
Abdullah ibn al-Mubarak (d.181H) said: "I see that some people are content with the least of the deen, but I do not see them pleased with meagerness in this life."

Rasul Allah - Sal Allahu alayhi wa Sallam - “Fa feehima fa Jaahid! Do Jihad in (your kind treatment of) your parents.”

Peace:
………..
These kids seem to have a much a deeper understanding of Arab misogyny, language, and the Koran than your average WASP mujahideen-wannabe would have. I don't think these are just WASP kids pretending to be Johnny Taliban on the message boards.

[Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

From the looks of thier women-only board:
[Link: www.clearguidance.com...]
it seems that many of them are "burn again muslims".

AG, leave Everyone's Internet alone, at least for now. If they (probably unconnected with the content) shut down the site, there goes the story.

Let's see how those actually responsible for the content react!

K

There are a lot of guests on right now! 278 in total! Is that an error?

No, it's the first sign that your little hatemobile is about to come crashing down.

You may fear Allah, you may fear the FBI... but what the folks at clearguidance.com really should fear is the attention of the blogosphere.

Canary in the coalmine?

This is just disgusting.

How about letting the JCC of Houston ( [Link: www.jcchouston.org...] ) know what kind of company they were/are in contact with. According post 72 and the hosting companie's page here: [Link: www.ev1.net...]

names, ages and locations of some of thefemale posters:
[Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

Not all are kids, lots of from the west (Canada, USA, UK)

Xslf -- print out that list!

Now there's "Pali Slopeydope" registered there.

If you're reading this, and other would-be trolls:

Please don't. I think it's important that this site remain an unadulterated example of what it is and open for long enough that it becomes a big story.

[Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

That topic is a disucssion about how many of them have family members (catholic or christain) who think tghey are nuts or who are praying for them to return

Ahhh. Familiar with NRO and InstaPundit, just wasn't familiar with those names right off the top of my head.

As a side note, where'd you see Goldberg taking note? Saw the note on InstaPundit, but nothing on NRO.

Note the name of one of the forums:
"Refuting The People of Innovation, Desires, and Biased Partisanship".

So, they're against innovation, huh? No wonder the sand fleas import even rubber bands.

Note also how they reflect back America's own bullshit soundbites: "Biased Partisanship"!

Doug,

Click on "The Corner" (at the top of every NRO page).

James, Denise

If there are any non-Muslims on that site -- they would be a rarity. The posters have to much knowledge of the Muslim world, they use Arabic too frequently.

The beginners section is probably for those rediscovering their "roots".

a sample that cought my eye in the above thread:

My name is Ameena or Anne or Newsista or whatever you can think of! (Prefer Ameena though)
I am from London Ontario Canada but soon to relocate to Mississauga Ontario Canada inshAllah
I am 16 years old
I reverted to Islam 8 months ago Alhumdulillah.
And i got married 2 and a half weeks ago!

Eric, I agree with you. It just wouldn't surprise me if there are some non-Muslim/ wannabes. Never underestimate some kids capacity to get into the sickest shit.

Obviously the vast majority (or even all) are not.

I'm a total spaz with how to email links, but Brit Hume - specialreport@foxnews.com and dennisprager@dennisprager.com (nationally syndicated radio talk show host (here in LA at KRLA) might be interested in the story. And while we're at it, can we send links to Robert Fisk, Cherie Blair and John Pilger? I'd love to see them explain away this one.

FYI, I seriously doubt the site is an anti-Arab prank. There are thousands of messages, from hundreds of distinctly different people. No actor has that kind of range, and it would take years for one person to make up that many messages.

Indeed, EV1 is almost certainly not in on this, given that they host LGF's good buddy Amish Tech Support. Leave 'em alone until proven otherwise.

James,

Absolutely, how does the saying go, "The converts are the most radical" or something like that!

Eric

re: #33

Most children in America are already required to take courses in American History and Civics. I think those courses are bad, and are actually responsible for much of the shameful ignorance. For one thing, those classes are rarely any better than the media in terms of the content they select. The classes also cause kids to think US History is boring and something they already learned. If we really want kids to understand things, we should stop trying to shove pale approximations down their throats in the name of education.

A bizzare thread:
[Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

Question:
Salamz All my Lovely sisys in ISLAM! i really really really REALLY want to get married but im only 12 I want to be married SOOOOOO much
All you sisters whom are married U r luckyy i cant wait 4 whatever years I just wish i cud get married NOW!!!!!

Answer #1
Ya ukhti... let me ask u this... if u were to get married, is it permissible for u to? i mean have u gotten ur period... etc..

If u want to get married, ya ukhti there are so many brothers who want to get married....

but u must talk to ur parents

Answer #2:
Masha Allah sister you want to get married at such a young age
it's so unfortunate though that people delay their marriage

Another answer:
Dear Sister in islaam al ameerah May Allaah protect and preserve u - ameen

U are 12 , masha'Allaah and would like to get married , all the nasee7a above are wonderfull advice but my nasee7a to u comes as such ..

if u have hit bulugh (puberty u have become a woman and it is natural u begin to feal the need to be married protected and the feeling u want to raise children in an islaamic house hold , but many now think this age is to young for marriage which i strongly disagree. [...]

There some more reasnble answers there. but I still don't know what to make of this...

TO all @ LGF

You guys have been great. I am not kicking down any doors, yet.

I have passed on the information from "Hawkish in Colorado" to one of my best friends who just happens to be a "techie" for the FBI.

He is "fact-checking-my-ass" and will pass it on upwards.

Everyone's Internet is a popular domain in Houston. They have about 100,000 users here, including the JCC of Houston.

The JCC will hear from me, to be sure.

Those telling me that EV1 has nothing ot do with the website is probably right.

Our vigilence will pay off. Thanks again to all for their help.

To those who politely answered the question as to whether this could be a disinformation site, Thank you. I have not had a chance to see it ( I will do so tonight, if it is still up).

I did not think it was - that would be too clever - and cleverness is something that is woefully absent from our side in the war.

I will be interested to see if the effort to bring this to old media's attention will work.

One can hope.

From the looks of thier women-only board:
it seems that many of them are "burn again muslims"

Y'know, I'm at a loss what would compel an even marginally sane woman to convert to this so obviously female-hating creed.

After all, boys may be attracted to guns'n'guts, blowing shit up (including themselves) etc. But how women can be lured by the lifetime of wearing the mulch sack is beyond me.

Hi A.G.,

Assuming EV1 is innocent, best case scenario is that the Fibbies show up and install a packet shiffer and I.P. address collector on the site, learn the identities of the posters bragging about their membership / association with the "bad" guys, and kick some ass.

Or, EV1 could say... hey, we're not going to host this shit.

I wouldn't want to take money from these sickos.

AG,

Do nothing. It is important that as many people see this as possible. Wait til EV1 sees this on the news.

Another thing I noticed is the absence of any enmity between the posters. Has anyone noticed that? There seems to be a real sense of community there; and these are kids. they should be fighting, right? I guess that's a byproduct of channeling your rage and hatred outwards.

Absolutely, how does the saying go, "The converts are the most radical" or something like that!

It's a sad fact of Jewish history that some of the greatest agitators of antisemitism have been Jewish apostates. Bernard Lewis points out in an interesting book called [i]The Jews of Islam[/i] (about the Jewish experience in Muslim lands) that quite a lot of anti-Jewish and anti-Christian Islamic polemicism was introduced by Jewish and Christian apostates.

Conversely, some of the most memorable contributors to Judaism have been converts, such as the prophet Obadiah and a Roman noble named Aquila, known to Jewish history as Onkelos; translator of the Bible into an Aramaic translation that is widely used and respected to this day.

Just a fun fact. ;)

DO NOT fuck with this site. It needs to remain up and the way it is for as long as possible, so that the maximum number of people can see it with their own eyes.

I called my friend and told him about it. He didn't fully believe me--until I emailed him the link and he read it himself.

If it can stay up long enough for Fox or NRO or the WSJ to get on it, then we're doing well.

the contact email is
riyahduljannah@hotmail.com

I wonder where that is.

Maybe someone can figure out who the host is and post it and we all and complain and maybe the site will be taken down.

Q,

It seems like women are as vocally violent as the men.

If anyone has Mark Steyn's email address, please forward this thread to him. I'm sure he'd find it worthy of mention.

Have done my share forwarding the website to two foxnews anchors.

JG

I looked on the first page, one of the posters said this:

"i suggest the bros to perfect their marksmanship and use guns before the "big trip downtown" ahem..."

I hope the FBI is trying to figure out what that means.

Came across this in the same disgusting thread: [Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

"but i do agree, to be stong muscularly is much better.. i think on that TV show, the Recruiters, they had a clip of Abu Hamza from London speaking of needing to workout and learn martial arts.. "

The user who posted that stated his location as Canada.

I am wondering what channel do we have a show called 'the Recruiters', this is really scaring me if they have access to this kind of televesion right here in Norht America.

They must have a satellite. I know that some parents of arab immigrants only allow their children to watch TV they get through satellite from Arab countries. Never realised those chanels had shows like that

It seems like women are as vocally violent as the men.

This may be true, but islamism doesn't offer them the same opportunity to gut infidels, does it? (A couple of palestinian female suicide bombers - "blow-up dolls" - notwithstanding.)

"Eric, I agree with you. It just wouldn't surprise me if there are some non-Muslim/ wannabes. Never underestimate some kids capacity to get into the sickest shit."

Exactly. I think we're all in agreement.

I was just speculating that they weren't all Muslim by heritage or nationality. The post linked in #93 seems to indicate that some of these kids are westerners from Christian families.

JWL's press coverage has to have caused some copycatting.

I would certainly imagine that most are of Arab descent, but living in the west.

i suggest the bros to perfect their marksmanship and use guns before the "big trip downtown" ahem..."

Holy shit.

I'd love to see [Robert Fisk, Cherie Blair and John Pilger] explain away this one.

Since they are unlikely to respond here is how they would likely respond:

"America with its blind support of zionists and zionist controlled media have left these oppressed children with on outlet to vent their frustrations about all the Islamaphopia running rampant in the US."

These children are merely crying out at their oppressive government who continues to support the slaughter of their fellow muslims at the hands of the Apartheid, Zionist Nazi state.

Until the US reexamines its policies, it is understandable for these kids to hate. It is the only way they are free to express their frustration.

GET THIS STRAIGHT PEOPLE, this is horrible, but it is not the smoking gun everyone has made it out to be. The above mentioned idiotarians explain away murder, how is this anymore indefensible.

Islamic leaders in this country support the murder of Jews and most even support the murder of Americans, while our government crows about how Islam is a religion of peace.

When people are actually killing in a religion's name and no-one speaks out against it, how can we expect a backlash when people are just talking about murder.

The only people who are outraged by this are the people who think that Islam is not a religion of peace and that it is not justified to murder Americans and Jews for the crime of being American or Jewish or god-forbid, both.

Everyone who rationalizes suicide/homicide/genocide bombings will have no problems rationalizing this in the same way. They rationalize the far worse situation of actually carrying out these Jew-killing fantasies.

For God's sakes, we have nary seen a muslim leader in this country denounce the act of killing Jews and no one in the mainstream media and the government have called for them to do so. Rather quite the opposite, they try to shield these leaders from the duty to speak out by wrapping them in the mantle "Peaceful religion" and by giving them the benefit of the doubt even after they open their mouths in support of genocide against the Jews and Americans.

As outrageous as this site is, it is just not something that is as outrageous as supporting homicide bombings, which is commonplace amongst mainstream Americans, especially in academia, the media and the State Department.

I wish it were different, but everyone already knows that American muslims by and large support terror against Jews and to a lesser extent against America in general. How is this going to change any of that?

Until people are outraged by the acts described on that sickening site, they certainly will not be outraged by the mere description of it.

I need to rub their noses in it @ [Link: www.smirkingchimp.com...]

To those who have already looked at the video, can you provide a link either here or at the discussion board @ [Link: www.smirkingchimp.com?...]

Q:

Not too hard to understand. Islam provides them with a totally planned life with no room for change. Wearing a burkha for the rest of their life, to some, is a small price to pay for such a sense of security. Freedom is scary for some people; it's the same impulse that led Russian defectors to re-defect back to Russia during the Cold War. Some people truly believe that freedom is just another kind of slavery, and that only in slavery can we feel true freedom.

Then there is the jealousy factor. Some women actually think that a world where all women are reduced to the same state of formless dark blobbiness would be a heaven on earth.

Islam attracts all sorts of people, but they all have one thing in common: they hate their neighbors more than they care about themselves.

Apparently there's a lost gospel that has Adam and Jesus mentioning Muhammad. All these years, the Church has been suppressing these things...who knew?

[Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

I don't think we ought to shut down sites like this. The people who want to go to sites like this and say things like that are not just going to go away if they lose a forum. It's better that people like this talk publicly than privately. Taking the forum away would be worse for us than it would be for them. We should take the opportunity to learn about them, criticise them, and inform people about the truth of the situation.

Golly, this makes me so proud to have EV1 as an ISP... NOT!

Time to write them about their choice in customers afilliated with terrorist organizations...

J. Lichty -- You are right of course.

However, opening the eyes of mainstream Americans to this web site may be just the thing that is needed to opening their eyes to the atrocities committed world-wide in the name of Islam.

Most Americans believe, based on news reports: (1) Al Qaeda is a very small group and is completely out of touch with most Muslims; (2) there is a "cycle of violence" in Israel, and Palestinians are refugees without hope (they probably couldn't tell you which side is engaged in suicide bombing, or believe that both sides are); and (3) Islam, as it is practiced here, is a religion of peace.

11 months ago, I believed 2 and 3. I couldn't have told you what Al Qaeda was, so would have had no opinion on 1. Since 9/11, I have made an effort to get educated. Most Americans have not. Maybe finding out about clearguidance.com will wake some people up.

Worth a shot anyway.

FWIW, I also don't think they are just wannabees. New converts, possibly, but they know far too much about Islam (and far too much Arabic, in fact they even use Arabic ISO characters in many messages) to be merely clueless fanboys.

#22

Well said, J. But I'd like for the merely clueless, the I-Learned-About-Islam-On-Oprah set to know about this.

I'm fryin bacon. Mmm mmm good.

I now wee that people have traced the host. I called everyone's

the customer service person seemed surprised and said to email the info to
abuse@ev1.net
and that it would be taken seriously

Please do not post a link to that sickening video here.

I will delete any message containing that link. I won't have it here. Thank you for understanding.

The comment about the "big trip downtown" is genuinely disturbing and should be reported to the FBI. Their online tip center is located at:

[Link: www.ifccfbi.gov...]

On the other hand, seeing as how the FBI didn't have time last year to read a memo from one of its own agents about Al Qaeda hijacking airplanes, I don't expect anyone will ever see our tip, let alone act on it. AG in Houston, can you call the comment to the attention of your techie friend?

I wonder what is the reaction of the Arab American Institute (www.aaiusa.org), regarding these Muslim Youths.

Wow. The video didn't load for me, for some reason. Now I'm heartily glad it didn't!

Well, maybe we can take some small comfort in the fact that earlier in that thread one of the kids advises others can get good info and how-tos from "The Anarchist's Cookbook."

Fine by me, considering how bad some of that info is. Let them try to make explosives following one of the book's "recipes."

Splodeydope indeed!

You guys are just running into the Clear Guidance Islamo-Fascists? We've done a couple of articles on them already...

Words From The Practitioners Of A 'Peaceful' Religion
[Link: www.rightwingnews.com...]

I Will Terrorise Every Individual Who Comes Within My Way Of Islaaam
[Link: www.rightwingnews.com...]

Another domain owned by Halal Flowers is meemsites.com, a hosting company that makes no mention of Islam or anything like that.

There is also a link to meemsites.com on taliban-news.com main menu under "web hosting"

I wonder how some of their regular customers would feel if the knew they were hosted alongside videos of Russian soldiers being executed??

Owner of meemsites.com seems to be a more or less regular poster at the most popular web hosting forum webhostingtalk.com you can find his posts here: [Link: webhostingtalk.com...]

Do you think potential customers should be aware of who owns the hosting companies and what sites they host?

So, the islamic terrorists have been carting camcorders around their adventures across Checenya, the balkans and the rest of the world. I am suprised, a moment's refection makes me wonder just why I'm so surprised. I guess it's just a logical consequence in our PoMo world of feeling disempowered and humiliated. Right, regaining your nonexistent masculinity by torturing people to death.

Anyone who wants to spout off about Britney Spears representing a degenerate culture, a culture in decline without morals needs to have this reality check.

Isn't it strange that I missed the websites of snuff videos taken by IDF soldiers during their massacres in Jenin? Oh yeah- there aren't any, despite the near universal access of Israelis to the internet. Gee, perhaps there aren't any.

I haven't felt this sick in a while. Seeing these people posting from Canada worries me immensely.

Charles last night when reading "psycho death cult summer camp" thread and saw the link at Tal Gs site I went. I kept reading about this rushthroat video and actually thought these youths were just talking smack. Then on the last page of that board they actually linked to the video. If I hadn't watched it personally I would have never believed something like that is being used to recruit future jihad nuts. I should say being used in America. As sick as that video is I think more people should see it, along with the commentary by members of that site. I can understand you not wanting the link posted here but I do thank you for providing a forum where things like that video can be found and exposed.

Okay dont post it here.

I wont look for it at work, but please, someone post it @ [Link: www.smirkingchimp.com...]
I respect Charles viewpoint, I just wish to here some Arab supporters defend it.
RD

From ev1.net's acceptable use policy: #7: Threats: Use of the EV1 service to transmit any material (by e-mail, uploading, posting or otherwise) that threatens or encourages bodily harm or destruction of property [is a violation of the AUP].

[Link: www.ev1.net...]

I'd prefer that they were exposed to the public than for them to vanish without a trace, though.

I found that rusthroat video accidentaly before I read these comments. Sickening beyond all comprehension. I remember there being another similar sickening video of a suspected palistinian 'collaborator' being dragged and shot in the street.

SOmebody should forwad the links and the video to Oprah. Maybe she can sit doen with these kinds and have them explain how the Jew-dominated media (e.g. Harpo Producions) made them do it. They can have a good hug...

Ever since last Fall, I've had the FBI "tip line" programmed into my cell phone.

They were encouraging use of the number "to report suspicious activity"...I haven't had to use it yet.

Here it is for all interested parties:

1-866-483-5137

Banana Counting Monkey:
Yes!! I agree completely. As much as Brittney really sucks, I'd rather have a million of her than a half dozen of these snuff film loving freaks. (But sadly we seem to have quite the infiltrated army among us.)
Interesting juxtaposition, I saw on PBS the other night an Israeli reservist soldier's video while he was in Jenin. He was interviewing his fellow soldiers, spilling his guts, as were they. And you didn't see one of them say, "Man, that Pali sure screamed when I bayoneted him! Aw, that blood gushed like the Jordan!" Or, "Well we are truth, they are lies, so killing them actually helps their souls in the end."
On the contrary, they bemoaned what they felt was a "Loss for both sides."
What a difference.

Thanks, folks. I agree that more people should see this, but they should seek it out and know what they're getting into, and I don't want someone to follow the link from our site. If word gets out on the net that there's such a link here, we'll get a lot of traffic from sick freaks that I don't want or need.

I watched it. I'm glad I did. But I really wish I hadn't.

Best of the Web chose not to pick this one up today. Disappointing.

Re: these Mujahid videos.

Hizballah is notorious for filming their terrorism and using it in recruitment videos; apparently similar atrocities with IDF soldiers at the end of the knife are readily available for sale in Lebanon.

Hizballah -- pioneers of the video age.

i shared the main link with my puny rural local paper. Perhaps some future issue will have something worthwhile in it besides pages and pages of high school football scores.

Well, Best of the Web takes time to compile; i'm hopeful they'll have something on it tomorrow.

James Taranto will be all over this tomorrow. Anything to raise the ire of Arab News.

Of course, you know, this website is all the work of the Mossad. Afterall, how could the Jewish controlled media and internet allow such hateful images to be posted about Jews if the Jews didn't an ill-conceived plan to begin with?

The powers that be are surely at work.

Oooh...half a million brittneys...oooh....

Question: What would the New York Times do if a KKK white supremacist group was posting links to clips of racially motivated killings, with intense discussions of how the viewing of these prepares the viewer for holy violence.

page one? ignore it? You choose which you think more likely.......

I am rambling... sorry about the previous post.

lets hope these big mouths at clear guidance (who do not w=seem to have much idea of what they are talking when talking about weapons otr anything else) meat the 72 virgins soon:
[Link: www.zionblog.blogspot.com...]

Re: best of the Web.

Another possibility is that they simply are not allowed to link to a site that features video of people being buchered.

On, more likely they are combing through for choice bits to bring to everyone's attention, or perhaps a more human reaction this evil- being sick.

Evil is the appropriate word for this site, for the views expressed on it. This is human evil on display. Evil and its eager acolytes gathering around to learn and give praise to it.

As far as Best of The Web goes, he was real late with it yesterday; looks like he compensated for it today (timewise) or, more likely, he'll include it tomorrow, once he's had more time to research it. I'm betting he'll do some serious digging on this one.

Raj

Checked out the "Brothers" area and came across this:

I was deleting them. Dont put up threads which have topics like "Juicy Jews".

Ok?

---

That was from a poster going by "IbnMardhiyah."

Hey, at least someone there has some remnant of sense.

Bigbad:
Yeah, perhaps I could have come up with something worse than a million Brittneys. (Would trickle down theory apply? One or two would have to settle for a guy like me...maybe? Please?)

Saw that Instapundit picked this up. I'm sure World Net Daily would be interested if anyone can get it to them. The similar websites I came across after 911, many of which now appear to have been closed down, featured complaints about 'freedom of speech being taken away in the West'. The experts on the Middle East tell us that Islamists are angry because they feel "humiliated", as if we're responsible for making them feel humiliated when they're actually doing it to themselves. Damn, it's that (absence of) logic problem again!

It may be worth noting that the video in question isn't actually hosted on the clearguidance.com site or its companion taliban-news - it's on some server in Finland.

I poked around a bit on that server, and it appears to be someone's personal site, of the punk-kid-with-a-website variety - there's no indication that the site owner is a Jihadist or a Muslim himself, just a directory with a few of these video clips in it.

Will someone please explain to me again why I'm supposed to believe that all cultures are equal?

Just saw the video...SICK FU*$KS. Someone should pull a Clockwork Orange with anyone that defends these murderers.

Frontpage magazine would love this and they have a huge reader base.

Its quite possible that server in Finland was hijacked and the owner has no idea the video is there.

I saw that video probably two years ago from Stileproject.com and was wrought with disgust for weeks.

Anyone in Staten Island able to determine if Halal Flowers exists? It would be nice to send them some gifts.

It's worth pointing out that the Clearguidance site has web ring graphics from presumably "respectable" Muslim sites/groups/whatever. It would be interesting to query these other groups on their opinion of the sentiments expressed on the Clearguidance site. Keep in mind that the various prestigious imams, muftis, etc. in Arab countries appear to be endorsing terrorism, murder of Jews because they are the offspring of pigs and dogs, etc. It would be most interesting to have "respectable" Muslim groups sound off on these issues. What does the Imam at your local Islamic center say about this? What is he prepared to do about it? What is the congregation prepared to do about it?

I think this may be an equivalent of the Zimmermann telegram (the blunder by Germany in WWI offering parts of the US to Mexico if they would declare war on the US) for Islam in the West.

Addison you saw the video from a porn site? Or was the site you say you saw it two years ago not a porn site like today?

Addison you saw the video from a porn site? Or was the site you say you saw it two years ago not a porn site like today?

As I recall, stileproject was more of a "tasteless" site than a porn site. It may have changed.

Sorry to come back to the comment about the "big trip downtown" again, but combined with all the gun worship going on in those forums, it made me think of this article from a few weeks ago in the Village Voice. The item I'm pointing you to is entitled "Way of the Gun":

[Link: www.villagevoice.com...]

Good call on the link to the video; Charles. I was sent that disgusting video 2 years ago from some jerkoff who thought it was funny. Its a video taken by rebels in Chechnya from what I was told. If I ever see anything like that again it will be too soon.

I havent looked at that video, but i am pretty sure i have seen it before on this this site...

I wonder if the islamofacists have thought about all the western toys (internet, camcorders) they use and who is going to make this kind of stuff if they ever take over?

Halal Flowers does not exist.

I posted earlier about having grown up on Staten Island, close to where MapQuest says the "street" is.

Did some more poking around and found a site called oasisnyc.net. I was able to find a decent aeiral photo there. And what I suspected, turned out not only to agree with what I remembered but also was true.

Here's the deal: If you drive down Richmond Road and hang a left just after the highway overpass, you'll go past where Halal supposedly is. But there's nothing there except a grassy hill leading up to the expressway. I believe it's fenced in, but I could be wrong. Anyways, not a single building there; just trash.

Oh, to add a bit of disgusting irony, to your right would be a grassy median, on which is a very old monument to dead firefighters. That is catty-corner to Rescue 5's stationhouse. They lost everyone on 9/11.

It wasn't porn back then, just very weird pictures. I looked at for about two or three weeks until I was sated that some people are, indeed really, really weird.

Then I saw that video and that sealed my end of ever viewing Stileproject again.

TJ, thanks for the link. I needed a good laugh and the Poop FAQ is hilarious.

Anyways, not a single building there; just trash.

I thought you said the site owner wasn't there!

Someone was speculating about "Taliboy II"s on the site. This thread

[Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

has a guy called "Sonic" who says "I have visited many afghanistan sites and heard views from all over the spectrum its very intersting. But what i liked about when i read into islam after sept.11 is its common sense. ", which given the site involved is rather scary (even more so that he's in the UK). He says in effect that he believes what he's read.

He's been reading "whatreallyhappened.com" (judged a "nice link" by the dubious local crowd) and says ""No offence taken! no i am not an athiest, i believe in the one god/allah the god of the muslims,jews,hindhus,athiests,christians i believe in all the prophets from moses to muhammed. I also pray and a pay my taxes. Thats about all!"

They'd be pretty happy if he turned out a jihadist. Their pet sheik quotes approvingly from a story about an American-born "martyr" in Kashmir: [Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

"After two and a half weeks I met back up with Abu Adam at the launching sector to prepare to infiltrate with him into the occupied valley. We were only waiting for our slot to carefully infiltrate the occupied valley of Kashmir to strike down and destroy the enemies of Allah, the vile Hindus and Sikhs from the Indian army...

We were firing old grenades that had been in storage for quite a long time. One brother shot the grenade and it simply shot out and landed about 3 feet in front of us (we were in one big crowd). After we had all dashed to take cover from the expected explosion that was only 3 feet away from us (it was a dud and never blew Al-hamdulillah) Abu Adam looked up at me and said, "We ran and didn't even remember Allah! What's up with us?"
....
Abu Adam and his team of brothers launched a bloody raid on an army post in the Doda sector in the Jammuu region. Reports indicate that out of the thirty four Indians killed in the action, Abu Adam was responsible for killing seventeen. Allahu Akbar!
...
After this dream, I received news that my good friend, Abu Adam had beaten me to our respective goal ash-shahadah fee sabeelillah. (Insha-Allah) I remember him saying to me once, "I want to get shot in the chest so that my soul doesn't leave immediately and I can prostrate to Allah on the battlefield before my soul leaves my body."

I cannot help but wonder if he got his last wish or not. "

All rather disturbing, especially as it's followed someone wishing their daughters will grow up to marry men like him.

[Just in case you were wondering whether you'd be welcome, or it's just a sounding house for these rather distasteful people, one of the admins (by context) says: [Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

"Political issues
This is an announcement for the Disbelievers.

Keep your political views out of the discussions on this Forum [Non-Muslims learning about Islam].

Keep your posts out of all other forums.

This forum is the only place where you may post questions or comments, with the aim of learning more about Islam.

If you come to this discussion board, it is expected you are here to learn more about Islam. Any other posts that are not aimed at seeking information and learning about Islam will be deleted.

If you are here for discussing political issues or trying to justify and defend the crimes of America and her allies, I suggest you go elsewhere.

I trust I have made myself clear.

If not, you can send me your complaints and grieviances through the Private Message option."]

Oh, to add a bit of disgusting irony, to your right would be a grassy median, on which is a very old monument to dead firefighters. That is catty-corner to Rescue 5's stationhouse. They lost everyone on 9/11.

Hmm, that strikes me as being a little too suspicious. I really wish someone in authority would check this out.

Sent a link to the WND editors I correspond with. Joe & Joel.

RE: my posts 37 and 45

The DA's office has not returned my call. On my message I identified myself as a Tennessee atty with information of threats of violence by minors, and snuff films being available to minors. I left my office number and fax number. So much for the juvenile violence program in Staten Island. What a joke.

blogwatcher,

Stop beatign aroung the bush like a baby -- if you have a point -- make it.

Wrangler,

IN NYC, unless its 911 -- don't count on a quick return call. The city bueracracy is a bit slow...

exuse me for making a comment. Jump on me like a muslim why doanchya.

It's pretty obvious. Mr. Flowers, if he exists, delibrately picked a fake address in the same neighborhood as Rescue 5, no doubt congradulating himself on his clever insult to the infidels.

blogwatcher,

obviously, you took us unawares with your rapier like wit and magnificent use of innuendo (a technology we have not mastered). how can we compete with your intelect and "correct" viewpoints.

sorry for trying

"This forum is the only place where you may post questions or comments, with the aim of learning more about Islam.

If you come to this discussion board, it is expected you are here to learn more about Islam."

I would like to see some discreet posters from LGF readership go there and post "questions" that will draw these people out. In particular, on the subject of whether they are fringe or mainstream, perhaps getting them to provide evidence from mainstream Islamic sources.

I cannot do this as I surely am not calm and collected enough to bring it off.

Just saw this link at InstaPundit. As if you weren't disgusted enough yet today:

[Link: www.themedialine.org...]

Quote from the morons:

No offence taken! no i am not an athiest, i believe in the one god/allah the god of the muslims,jews,hindhus,athiests,christians

"God of the atheists"?

I registered the username GayMuslim, but unfortunately, to start trolling, you need authorization came. I can only suspect that my user name was turned down, as my IP address is now banned from their servers.

Funny, though...they allow users with names like shaheed (martyr in Arabic).

Go figure.

Hmm, that strikes me as being a little too suspicious. I really wish someone in authority would check this out.

I'm sure the people at The Firehouse will be delighted to hear all the details. The address is news@firehouse.com. I guess you can count on these guys making their voices heard after 9/11.

No offence taken! no i am not an athiest, i believe in the one god/allah the god of the muslims,jews,hindhus,athiests,christians

"God of the atheists"?
---

I think he's saying he believe in one god and one god only. That god is Allah, who is supreme ruler over all, be they Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Christians, athiests or whatever. And if you don't like it, he'd like to see you dead.

I just got through the first few posts before being shocked by the one with the address of the "sponsors" of the site. I was born and raised in Staten Island, and cannot believe there are people as vile and murderous as these living among my family and friends that still live there.

When will the majority of the population finally open up their eyes to what Islam really is?

I hope soon, b/c it is scary to think that myself and my family could be targeted in our own home b/c we are Jewish.

I wonder if the islamofacists have thought about all the western toys (internet, camcorders) they use and who is going to make this kind of stuff if they ever take over?

There was a comment somewhere on the website from someone who said (I paraphrase) "Remember, when the Mehdi comes, all this advanced technology is going to seize up, and we'll be riding horses and shooting arrows - but meanwhile we can use guns!" (No mention of how arrowheads and horseshoes will be made after the Great Day of the Ro-- er, after the Mehdi comes.)

Now I thought this was a Muslim heresy, but no one else in the topic seemed to bat an eye over it. A bit interesting.

NC --

regarding the link to the flier from the "Islamic-Arab Students Defense Committee" ....

According to the Anti-Defamation League this was a hoax.

http...

Don't count on any major media touching this thing with a ten-footer, boys and girls.

A few weeks ago, vile anti-Semitic displays were put up at a major US university. Yeah, so what else is new ... but "Nightline" actually did a story on it. The audience, though, was never shown the displays. Ted Koppel explained:

"The signs were anti-Semitic --- AND TO HAVE SHOWN THEM TO YOU WOULD BE ANTI-SEMITIC."

This type of logic justifies a lot of blindness on the part of big media, and is a symptom of what Mark Steyn called a "sensitivity coma". See no evil, hear no evil, and above all do not talk back to evil.

Another example - yesterday USA Today ran a silly headline story which blamed the murderous mentality of Palestinian youth on Israeli "occupation" and curfews. (They would not be interested in explaining why a boy in Canada would show the same bloody-minded pathology). The story included a description of Palestinian TV as being filled with funerals and dirge-like music. Not one word of mention of the Islamicist hate-speech that has been so well documented on this blog, and in so many other places.

Yet they eagerly chased the Jenin atrocity hoax, with many reporters (like CNN's Andrea Koppel) who were eager to swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

So if any of you has a congressman who can do squat about this, I'll move to your state and vote for him.

Thanks for the heads up, glenncanon. I'll send an e-mail to InstaPundit letting him know.

Not only are their camcorders and other high-tech toys and tools the product of cultures that can innovate and develop new ideas, unlike their own, but so are their weapons.

There's an old saying about not bringing a knife to a gunfight. The jihadis and wannabe shaheedis should study some history.

The culture with which the Arabs are warring does have some experience with developing ordnance. Chaim Weitzman, Israel's first president, was director of the British Admiralty laboratories and discovered and devoped a process for synthesizing acetone that greatly facilitated the development of high explosives. Also see the Manhattan Project.

NC (#189):

I understand as well as the next Jew/Zionist occupier of the U.S. government that Arab culture is backward, silly, paranoid and generally pretty stupid.

But are they so stupid as to print up a flier like the one you linked to ([Link: www.themedialine.org...] I'm not saying it's impossible, but the language seems so over the top and the "requirements" so patently idiotic that it can't be real. Can it? Can anyone authenticate this thing?

ignore # 200.....thanks, glenncanon.

#188 and 191 ... I registered and hotmail filtered the reply into my junk mail. But now I'm in. I just don't know what to say or do. Before I realized how truly depraved these people were, I was just going to spread some subversive American feminism, but after reading all of this, I think something subtler is in order.

I registered just so I could make use of their search engine. Try running a search with your hometown name.

Freaky scary stuff.

Please don't troll.

The site should stay as it is, without any interference long enough for it to be examined and reported.

Don't say anything. This is too big to ruin. The kids and their views aren't dissapearing even if the site does. This needs to be outed in a big way.

For those who want to troll, you might ask about Sura 5:21.

It has Allah telling Moses and the Israelites to "enter the land which Allah has ordained for you". In other words, the Quran affirms that God promised the Land of Israel to the Jews.

You're right, gershom: it is over the top and idiotic. But so is pretty much every other aspect of the psycho death cult, as documented by Charles on this Blog.

In any event, I don't want to inadvertently cast doubt on all the real instances of Arab hatred by throwing an example out there that isn't true. So I regret the error, and have written to InstaPundit notifying him of the same.

Scroll about half-way down to " 'Militant' Infiltrators into Islamic Discussion Boards" in the following link. Seems the Islamists think that the FBI, etc are already onto their discussion boards. They name clearguidance as an example.

[Link: www.freelists.org...]

For those who want to troll, you might ask about Sura 5:21.

It has Allah telling Moses and the Israelites to "enter the land which Allah has ordained for you". In other words, the Quran affirms that God promised the Land of Israel to the Jews.

Don't you know that the Jews are Khazars? From Poland?

I'm serious. You can't debate with fanatics. I'm sure some scholar of note has long harmonized what Sura 5:21 says with the situation here on earth.

For example, apparently Sharia says that land conquered by Muslims can't revert to non-Muslim ownership. So it may well be totally irrelevant that Allah ordained Palestine for the Israelites.

It may be that the Israelites were Muslims whereas post-Muhammad Jews are not and lost their right to the land (why not? Adam, Abraham, Moses, David etc. were all retroactively Muslim according to Islam). There are many, many things that can be said in rebuttal to something "iron-clad" like that.

I still think it's best to leave the board alone until it comes to general attention.

have fun with the vicious little thugs that post to the chatrooms at ClearGuidance. Register as "Charles Martel" or "Prinz Eugen" or "El Cid" and play Bugs Bunny to their gone-seriously-wrong Yosemite Sams.

Shell, I would suggest the "ask an innocent question" technique if you want to bring out true feelings. Ask a provocative question framed in a non-provocative, and say you are truly looking for guidance in this matter - about age of marriage, wife-beating in Islam, or whatever you pick. There is no quicker way to get people to post from the heart than to ask such a question from the viewpoint of seeking info and guidance, rather than from the viewpoint of challenging their feelings.

Shell:

Try to lure them into talking about material which may be related to shuhada (pl. for shahid) using all the crap of a Noam Chomsky and a John Bradley rolled into one with the slight touch of a devout Muslim. Better still, you can pretend to be a faithful reader of Arab News from Europe--a new convert. Ask them if they have ever enrolled in Abu Hamsa Al-Masri's weekend courses... Anything as long as it may be incriminating before the public opinion.

I have been on clearguidance.com, pretending to be a muslim and listening to their ranting. They had a private chat group where they were all exchanging information about themselves. They were bragging about wanting to be shaheeds, and dieing for Allah. Well, to be honest, it was not "bragging" as such, more reaffirming their commitment to do evil.

Btw, I also traced the site host ages ago, and I got some different information at the time than what the whois is showing right now. The information I got was:

Domain Name: CLEARGUIDANCE.COM

Registrant:
Sarfaraz Jamal
7812 Kiowa Way
Worthington, OH 43085
US

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Sarfaraz Jamal
7812 Kiowa Way
Worthington, OH 43085
US
614-848-8610
sas@vminds.com

Domain created on 01-Feb-2001
Domain expires on 01-Feb-2003
Last updated on 05-Nov-2001

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.HN.ORG 64.71.163.40
AUX1.HN.ORG 64.71.163.43

NC:

The fact that smart people like you and those behind InstaPundit were taken in by the flier hoax is no reflection on you. It is further evidence that Arab culture is so lacking in real scholarship or logical thought -- not to mention adult supervision -- that any wackazoid comment can be credibly attributed to it and believed by those of us familiar with the deep thoughts of the Arab News, et al.

I'm with James --- Please don't troll on this site.

On the other hand -- its amazing how much I can post when I have a big project to finish and I don't want to do it....

#202

Maybe you should post: 'if Jews and Arabs are both Semites, how come the Jews are pigs, dogs (or monkeys) and the Arabs are not?'

50-point follow up question: 'if a pig converted to Islam, would he then no longer be a pig? I really like BLTs and know that bacon is foul in the eyes of Allah, is there a work-around/prayer/conversion that would be acceptable to Allah the merciful?

I emailed a number of media outlets about this. It's an astonishing forum/website. I can only hope that it receives a good 'airing out'--after all, the best way to quash these little terrorists is to provide a huge spotlight on their nasty comments. It's important for the general public to know that the religion of 'peace and love' is a little different just beneath the surface.

Just as Lileks did, the church and Sunday school I attended pretty much gave other religions no attention at all. It would have been unthinkable to mention murder, beheading, stabbing, etc., as a solution for those we didn't agree with. And even when we were hoping that the 'poor savages' would see the light, the way we hoped to convince them was thru schools, food, books, doctor visits,etc. I just can't imagine sitting in the basement of the Presbyterian church and plotting the gruesome and bloody death of the Buddhists or the Muslims or the Catholics or the Jehovah's Witnesses. The feeling was pretty much that, even though we felt we had a good handle on the spiritual life, those other folks were sure entitled to their beliefs, too. After all, this is America--where we ALL respect each other's right to religion and free speech..... Unless, of course, we're young Muslims trained and indoctrinated to hate everyone different and, if at all possible, reach heaven through taking out some of those despised Jews and/or Americans.

I realize 'teens' tend to puff up and show lots of bravado--but this is really appalling.

I guess I can't thank you and Lileks for 'making my day' this time!

I feel like a broken megaphone.

Listen, please don't troll. Don't pretend to be a convert; you'll be figured out in 30 seconds.

I am an Orthodox Jew. I know what a religious life guided by religious law is. I'd know in three seconds if someone was baiting me. If someone claimed to be a convert to Judaism and knew nothing about it (as knowledgable as the vast majority of us might think we are about Islam from reading some NRO articles and Bernard Lewis, I can assure you we know nothing at all). This isn't going to work. Unless you're doing this for cheap thrills, there's more than enough "kill the kufrs" material in there without attempting to bait them. Honour killings got your goat? They're discussing them. Shaykh Usama is a good Muslim or not? That's discussed.

You aren't going to fool them; you're going to alert them that *something* is up and the site is going to dissappear before you can say Jinn.

By the way, I hope that didn't seem condescending. I of course include myself. I know I couldn't pass for a Muslim there and I know why. A truly innocent inquiry about Islam from a non Muslim wouldn't be about a controversial issue; it'd be about Hajj or something. Maybe about Muhammad. The same way a truly innocent inquirer about Judaism wouldn't begin by saying "Golly, is it true that Orthodox Jews have sex through a hole in a sheet?" (No, BTW).

Leonard Cohen says it best: "I've seen the future, baby, and it's murder."

There's a war coming, between the West and the free countries of Asia on one side, and the Islamic jihad on the other, no matter how much our government wants to stick its head in the sand.

I haven't seen any trolling, but I have seen on some of the forums where they instantly delete messages (and the users who post them) with even the slightest non-conforming tone.

Trolling would be useless, I agree. It's better to let this get exposed.

James,

Re: "don't troll"

True, they are deeply suspicious and are on the lookout for imposters. But you can bet your bottom dollar that the folks from this site (btw, I've only recently been on this site) are not the only ones that will be pretending to be one of them there. They've been infiltrated for ages! lol

You're probably right Tex. But I'd just hate to see this whole thing get messed up before at least some big media reports it. At some point an admin is going to notice and see where the traffic is coming from and why.

I just love some of the posts:

"Kaffirs are worthless."

I'm assuming Kaffir means Infidel or whatever. Every non-Muslim I have known who travelled in Muslim countries has had to contend with constant unsolicited remarks about how they should immediately convert to Islam and whatnot.

I guess Kaffirs are worthless unless they convert? Where's the love, baby?

James,

I agree. I sure hope someone blows the lid on that site, but they will just gather elsewhere. They've had trouble with us infiltraters before, and have stayed up and running (we use several different proxys and alternet IP there) through think and thin. Word seems to travel fast in the their online community. My hope is that by letting them be aware of people pretending to be muslims there (and doing a great job of it too btw!) , they will not know who to trust and will think twice, basically spoiling what, to them, is yet another fertile jihadi recruitment ground.

Re: 148, 151, & 152:

Sure wish Taranto had picked this one up on "BOTW." Of course, there's always tomorrow. . .

(Can't figure out for the life of me why, but it seems that "BOTW" may have an aversion to James Lileks. I've tipped them several times on various Bleats and a Screed or two with no response.)

(IMNTBHO, James Lileks and Peggy Noonan are the two best essayists in the world today. I really look forward to Fridays.)

Maybe we should have a guna class teaching on how 2 use it in front of the white house!!!That wud be fun j/k OF COURSE DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maghrabian Amir
Junior Member

http:

That sounds like something the Secret Service might be interested in.

yeah, wheres the diversity and love for things different?

I hope the roof is torn of the sucka, that Islam is a religion of peace and love.

James, I'm going to take your advice and just keep my mouth shut for a while. I can't even understand half of what their talking about. Of course I probably don't want to know, but right now I feel that knowing is the only thing I can do to help the war effort.

Which brings up another question... short of joining the military (which I've considered), what can the average citizen do? I've written letters to congress, kept up with events as best I can, and I just sent links to the Youth of Islam to my local news outlets (newspaper and the big 4 tv networks).

I want to do more. I just don't know what.

NOT!

The parody of the Pilger-Fisk-
Chomsky response is precisely on target. Al-Guardian may lift it intact without attribution. I don't hate the jihadis themselves, anymore than I would hate a rabid dog or a venomous snake. I do hate those who know better, but who persist in supporting the islamo-devils anyway; the Pilgers and Fisks and Chomskys of the world, and their hordes of gibbering disciples.

Another prize islamofascist ass-kisser, George Michael, refuses to come to America, fearing violence against his person. What a pompous idiot. Doesn't he know that we already have millions of clueless idiotarians, swarms of them on every campus and in every head-shop, theme bar, and yuppy warren? They aren't being shot down in the streets, why would he be so important?

shell,

My advice is to talk. Tell you family, your friends and anybody you can reach. We have a determined enemy, but, unfortunately, most of our fellow citizens are apathetic and suseptible to attack.

Learn for the experience of Churchill who stood up and spoke up against Hitler, while the rest of the world just wanted to be left alone.

Hopefully, this time we can stop this evil before it become too poweful.

Wow. There's a thread about how evil it is to enjoy listening to music. Several of the posters go on to discuss how filthy and evil file-sharing sites/programs like Kazaa, AudioGalaxy, etc., are.

Does the RIAA know it has friends in the fundamentalist muslim community?

RE: Post 212

"Sarfaraz Jamal" does look like the real name of the owner. The owner of meemsites.com hosting company (which now also appears registered to Halal Flowers) uses nickname "sasjamal" on WebHostingTalk which he registered quite some time ago on 10-05-2001

You know, they have a term for the Palestinian suicide bombers: sacrifice bombers.

I had heard homicide, genocide. This is new.

And revolting.

>Everyones' Internet must be a terror friendly
>host.

No. They are not.

I use them as one of my ISP's and the Islamic snuff site is a flat violation of their terms of service as I read it.

If you want an innocent post, ask the thread 'what you should do about a Jewish kid at school who says bad things about Islam, that all moslems are terrorists and other vile crap like that.'

The answer might be enlightening.

I just watched the video. I told myself it was so I could be "better informed."

Dear God, I wish I hadn't.

Here is the apparent owner of [Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

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I don't know about you folks but I am emotionally spent by this thread and the discovery of THAT website. As appalled as I am, I honestly don't know whether to simply ignore it (as I do when I happen across a neo-Nazi web site) or begin plans to immigrate to Antarctica. There are no Muslims there yet, are there?

I'd still like someone to tell me when Bush and the State Department are going to end the masquerade with the Saudis. Surely, we cannot continue to allow thousands of Saudi-funded schools and mosques around the globe to manufacture millions of rock-em-sock-em, slice-and-dice, ninja jihadists. For every one we take out with smart bombs in Afghanistan, there will be three to take his place hiding in fifth columns here and in Europe.

Has anyone (CIA, FBI, Nat'l Security Council, MI5) thought this through?

I saw that video a few weeks ago on a site called [Link: www.StopIslam.com...] (where it was posted to incite anti-Muslims sentiment, not the reverse as in this case)

It's quite unpleasant, but I've seen worse before, such as a picture of a 5-year old girl burnt to a crisp in Waco (I saw that in a documentary a few years ago).

Really, I just disregard stuff like that. You can't form rational opinions when you are in a state of shock, as I was after I saw that Russian soldier getting his heap cut off. There are plenty of pro-Muslim sites spreading hate by showing pictures of dead Muslims from Gujarat.

Should I haved formed negative opinions about Hindus on the basis of that? No, and to form opinions about Muslims on the basis of this video is irrational as well. If there was footage of Arieh Biro executing Egyptian POWs in the Sinai in '56, would that cause you to be anti-Jewish?

I may sound callous to you, but you can't allow people to push your buttons like that.

David (#237), I did the same thing and I, too, wish I hadn't. I couldn't watch it all the way through; I heard a long, loud scream - it was my mind going into denial.

You don't sound callous, Chris; instead you sound condescending and offensively paternalistic. Most of the people reading this site haven't formed "negative opinions" about Islamist jihadis and their wannabe immitators because of a ten-second video clip they ran across on the web (for one thing, there were those two planes crashing into the Twin Towers to help frame our perspectives). But nevertheless, such powerful imagery as contained in that video clip can serve to reinforce what any thinking person's brain should have already made clear to him/her: these zealots are serious, they desire our death or forcible submission, and we need to take them at their word and plan our responses accordingly.

I hope I don't sound too callous, but lectures presuming to warn me how not to internalize a given message really, y'know -- steam my bean.

Isn't it forbidden in Islam to display images of living things? IIRC, it is. If I were gonna troll... which I absolutely am not!... I'd point out that showing videos of the execution is haram and they're gonna BURNBURNBURN!!!!!

Scary, scary stuff indeed.

Hey Chris, an image of a dead person is not the same as an image of a person being killed.

On top of that, the issue here is not the existence of the video. It is the web site's celebration of the video and what the video represents as representative of Islam, its teachings, and its values that causes so much dismay here.

If you could point to a web site in which Jewish youths were gleefully swapping a video of Egyptian POWs being murdered and talking about it as an incarnation of Jewish values, yes, there'd be a hell of a lot criticism here.

You don't sound callous, Chris; instead you sound condescending and offensively paternalistic.

Sorry if I caused offense, it's just that that kind of thing strikes a raw nerve with me. I don't see how it helps anyone to post links to that kind of stuff. I mean, we all knew that Muslims killed POWs, right?

And why am I condescending just for offering my opinion?

Chris,

With all due respect the shock and horror expressed by the majority of the posters is directed at the object of this thread; the revelation that a message board owned and operated in the United States, run by adults for kids is encouraging and allowing promotion of the worst kind of murderous terrorism -- and all of that is being promoted and viewed as totally legitimate and appropriate.

One poster questioned if it's appropriate to be discussing the best way to kill Jews on a public message board -- because kufrs -- that's you and I -- might see it. Not that it's evil and vile, but we might see it and be turned off to Islam.

The poster was assured he was off his rocker for thinking such things and that the kufr -- you and I, again -- deserve such a fate, it's Islamically correct and not to be a wimp.

This is the tip of the iceberg. Again, these are youths, teenage boys and girls, in America and Canada and the UK.

Are we clear what the problem is?

Greg asked way back:

I am wondering what channel do we have a show called 'the Recruiters', this is really scaring me if they have access to this kind of televesion right here in Norht America.

They must have a satellite. I know that some parents of arab immigrants only allow their children to watch TV they get through satellite from Arab countries. Never realised those chanels had shows like that

"The Recruiters" is a tv documentary produced by the CBC here in Canada, about the network of Islamic fundamentalist mosques and other organizations all over the world, but specifically in Britain and Europe. It traces the path of several young men from liberal, middle-class muslim families into jihadis.

The CBC website link is here.

It by no means supports or equivocates about the truly evil intentions of the fundamentalists, which makes the way that the awful little shits posting to clearguidance have obviously come to regard it as a source of info truly unsettling. They are, it's obvious, immune to criticism, and revel in the sense of marginalization.

Which, I guess, shouldn't be any surprise to anyone by now.

Which makes the job of neutralizing this awful thing much more difficult.

Chris, I'm sure you're going to get flamed, for your condescending tone if nothing else, but you're missing the point: It's not the snuff videos, it's the little wannabe jihadis trading them and discussing how cool they are. There is no equivalent phenomenon in any other religion that I've ever seen, I I bet you can't point to anything similar.

Re #233

Thanks for the back up. So it seems that "Halal Flowers" is a recent front for more than one Islamic site, and that Sarfaraz Jamal (my post #212) is the real owners name of clearguidance.com after all.

Hmmm... wonder if the FBI are going to be paying him a vist in Ohio soon to ask him about his jihadi recruitment drive. Inshallah... LOL

#234 - Ariel:

The common term I hear [in Israel] is
"Amalia Istishhadia"

"Amalia" = act, work
"Istishhadia" = the process of becoming a "shahid", a "martyr.

It refers to all sorts of suicide terrorism including carrying an armed assault to the person's death.

Furthermore, I recall someone asked about the Jews being pigs & monkeys, so here goes:

Apparently in the Quran There is a story of the jews who lived among arabs, in a fishermen village and used to hunt whales [or something like that]. Anyways half the villagers did not respect the holy day of Sabbath [Saturday] and went on fishing on saturdays so they got punished by Allah - they were turned to pigs & monkeys while their brothers who did not work on sabbath stayed human. [it's a bit more complicated but irrelevant]

Regarding today's jews, This is where muslim clerics can't make up their minds and there is contreversy, the options are:
(1) The pigs & monkeys did not reproduce and died.
(2) The pigs & monkeys stayed that way so that today's pigs & monkeys used to be jewish
(3) The pigs & monkeys reproduced with the jews who stayed human so that the jews of today have a pig & monkey decendency.

The common extremist view is of course, the third. There was a debate over that recently in the arab world and some scholars have suggested that this view aids the enemies of islam.

Yeah, Chris and those images of Holocaust survivors really did a trick on Europe! If the Eurpoean were strong and percevered, then the Zionist entity would never have been created. Stupid images! Stupid truth!

Chris says:

I may sound callous to you, but you can't allow people to push your buttons like that.

Well, actually, I thought it was rather the opposite. I thought it was the mullahs the ones who were pushing buttons in the minds of these rabid dogs in the hopes of inciting them to become martyrs.

The expected outcome of the stimulus is not that you realise what kind of bastards they are. If feeling completely and totally outraged by that video is letting someone else push your buttons, you might as well shut up next time they stage a 9/11 comeback just to be "rational", as you call it. Sorry, but I don't think I want to go further up the evolutionary ladder if that's what being rational means.

Too weird...

That guy, Sarfaraz Jamal , HE HAS HIS OWN BLOG.

Here's a google "archive" where he clearly is the one posting the comments.

[Link: 216.239.33.100...]

Note the references to clearguideance and the other one.

If you go there now, he's neutered the site so as to avoid identifying himself.

[Link: www.sasjamal.com...]

Gotta love the google cache!

Interesting blub on the google archive site

-----------snip--------------------
All of My Names:

Sas
Abu Khuzaymah
Abu Sa'eed
Life is a Fitnah
Abu Jubn
Sas-A-Fras
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Also, he gives a link to his wife's site:

[Link: www.almuminoon.org...]

(her site has a front and center link to....
the clearguidance site)

And if you do a WHOIS lookup on HER site:

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whois -h magic 216.40.250.8
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....
also, he links (on the google archived page)
to another BLOG by one of his friends, hosted on the clearguidance site, and titled the "memoires of abu musa" -- an interesting read.

Now EVERYBODY's blogging.

Oh, and one final note:

Our friend Sarfaraz Jamal is the co-operator of this site:

[Link: www.qutubi.com...]

And there, he gives a link to HIS eBay auctions:

[Link: cgi6.ebay.com...]

(On his July 26th entry he indicates he is a student at DeVry)

OK... so, can I join the FBI now or what????

Good job, Hawkish

Sarfaraz Jamal seems to be obsessed with food. I wonder what that means? :-)

"Yeah, Chris and those images of Holocaust survivors really did a trick on Europe! "

Talk about a tangent! You people really are only 2 stepping stones away from bringing that up in any argument aren't you? And you don't need to watch footage of people being killed by Nazi death squads to form an opinion about the Holocaust.

"There is no equivalent phenomenon in any other religion that I've ever seen, I I bet you can't point to anything similar"

There was a post on this very forum a few weeks ago saying "nice shooting IDF" and linking to a picture of a corpse with a bullet wound to the face.

And there are plenty of Americans who keep [Link: www.rotten.com...] in the top 100 most visited sites on the net

There is no equivalent phenomenon in any other religion that I've ever seen, I I bet you can't point to anything similar"

There was a post on this very forum a few weeks ago saying "nice shooting IDF" and linking to a picture of a corpse with a bullet wound to the face.

A) Find it.

B) Show how that post was related to religious belief, and if it is how a single post on a comments section is similar to an entire bulletin board with dozens of members.

And there are plenty of Americans who keep [Link: www.rotten.com...] in the top 100 most visited sites on the net

You seem fixated on that video clip.

Again, the *problem* here isn't the contents of the clip per se. It's the justification, glorification, discussion and attaction to the *action* portrayed in the clip -- by young teenagers in America, who may be in school with your very own children.

The posters on that board encourage and applaud terrorism and find religious justification, and indeed obligation to kill non Muslims.

Explain the parallel between that and a gore fetish.

"A) Find it."

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] It's post #79

"B) Show how that post was related to religious belief, and if it is how a single post on a comments section is similar to an entire bulletin board with dozens of members."

The fact that it is not related to religious belief is totally irrelevant. Ideology is just as dangerous. And even though obviously LGF isn't anywhere near as extreme as ClearGuidance.com but there are people who post things like "I want pieces not peace" and that kind of thing here on a regular basis.

If you want a whole bulletin board full of anti-Muslim maniacs (including people making "pledges" to murder Muslims in the USA) check out [Link: www.stopislam.com...]

Huh, Chris, there is no post 79 (or Santa Claus) and I'm reallly sorry about the tangent, as it has absoutely nothing to do with the present discussion.

Except for the killing of the Jews part.

And for the intense racial haterd.

Which was spawned by racial propaganda.

Through youth groups.

Other than that -- nothing in common.

Just thought I'd point out a thread about all the "brothers" getting together for a camp to learn more about Islam. Doesn't that sound like marvelous fun?

Link

Bother... let me try that again.

[Link: www.clearguidance.com...]

Additionally, as far as I can tell the video clip in mention is gone. Linked pages have been pulled, as far as I can tell. Maybe they noticed the increased number of downloads/page views.

Regardless, if anyone has the file name and Kazaa (or Morpheus), they might consider seeing if it's being shared P2P. Just a thought.

Ten-to-one odds Chris now posts that Charles must have deleted the post as a Zionist cover-up of "teh TRUTH0RZ!"

"Huh, Chris, there is no post 79 (or Santa Claus) and I'm reallly sorry about the tangent, as it has absoutely nothing to do with the present discussion"

Sorry, it's post #70. Typo. My mistake.

"I'm reallly sorry about the tangent, as it has absoutely nothing to do with the present discussion. "

It doesn't. And if you want comparisons with Nazi Germany look for the country with the largest military-industrial complex on earth. A central tenet of fascism is strong links between the military and business (e.g. heavy industry). There are strong parallels between the relationship between the Pentagon and the American aerospace industries and the relationship between the Third Reich and German industrialists of the 30s.

If you insist on bringing up the Holocaust, I might point out that the 2nd largest group killed by Hitler after the Jews were the Communists, a practise that was honed to a fine art by America during the post-war period, especially in your tinpot dictatorship Latin American vassals.

shell,

Here is what you can do: reduce your consumption of oil.

If you don't wish to give up your lifestyle vehicles (SUV, trucks etc.) Plan for the 2004 model year when such vehicles with hybrid engines will be available.

You will be in the early adopter class which means you will be helping with the debug of these vehicles.

Buy a few solar garden lights to help solar technology.

Replace all your light bulbs with compact flourescents.

Do everything you can to drive down the cost of energy and to help in the development of alternatives. It will be a 60 to 80 year process to get the country off fossil fuels. No time like the present to start.

Quite simply, these boards need to be shut down and they can be.

Having operated several online message boards I have become familiar with the various legalities of the situation. Especially so when it comes to "hate speech", incitement to violence, stalking, deatlh threats, and that sort of thing. Essentially, it all depends on whether the board is "moderated" or not. If the board is unmoderated then the operater is (more or less) not liable for anything that happens on the board *before* they are specifically made aware of it. In other words "I didn't know that was happening" would be a valid excuse. Regardless, once a board operator is made aware of illegal activity (and I think there's a good case to be made that some of those posts constitute illegal activity) on their boards they either have to do something about it or be liable.

I suggest that people do four things:

First and foremost people need to send email to the board operators (riyahduljannah@hotmail.com) to let them know (preferably with specific examples) that there are unacceptable things happening on their boards. The more people that do this the harder it is for them to ignore it, or to claim that they are ignorant of what's going on in their forums.

Second, people should contact vbulletin (info@vbulletin.com) to make them aware that the site "clearguidance.com" is using their software for some very unsavory things. It would be helpful if people mentioned that it does not reflect well on vbulletin that these people are using their software. If enough people do this there is a good chance that vbulletin will pull their software license and they will have to use other forum software or be in violation of copyright law (at which point a letter from vbulletin to their isp would suffice to shut them down).

Third, people should contact clearguidance.com's isp ("Everyone's Internet", [Link: www.ev1.net...] [Link: www.ev1.net...] sales@ev1.net, or call them toll free: 800-504-7873) to make them aware of just what is going on and ask them if they really think hosting this sort of thing is the business they want to be in.

Fourth, people should "troll" the clearguidance.com boards (but be careful). Do not do anything illegal or unethical but do be as annoying and confrontational as you want to be. If you are lucky then maybe they will ban you or delete your posts. At which point they will have proven that their boards are moderated and thus they are responsible for hosting the content that has been posted on the site in the past.

I'm with you Chris. Since it is just one brand of fascism fighting another I see nothing wrong with insuring our brand of fascism wins.

Three cheers for the military industrial complex which is on the verge of beating the oil religion complex.

Re: #256

Who exactly comprises the "you people" who "are only 2 stepping stones away from bringing" up the Holocaust in any argument, Chris?

Just, y'know...out of curiosity...

Oh. And when the US military-industrial complex -- in cahoots with the aerospace industry, of course -- begins rolling out the people ovens and the freight cars, give me a ring. Because then might be a reasonable time to strike up the US - Nazi Germany comparisons.

In the meantime, you might want to check the frequency of that foil cap o' yours.

--Which reminds me: do those hats keep the mosquitos away? 'Cause I'm a bit worried about this West Nile bug what's been going around...

For any of the wannabe Jihadi's, this Infidel packs heat and is awaiting this cowardly vermin to make their move, it will be their last.

"do not be selfish, this life is cheap." And there are Leftist who have the balls to call Ayn Rand crazy. There it is the end result of the anti-reason, anti-self, anti-life philosophy that the Leftist deny exists. All the bed-wetting Leftists should be made to visit that site.

"Who exactly comprises the "you people" who "are only 2 stepping stones away from bringing" up the Holocaust in any argument, Chris?"

Right wing Americans trying to use the Jews to justify a war just like they used the Kurds ten years ago.

"And when the US military-industrial complex -- in cahoots with the aerospace industry, of course -- begins rolling out the people ovens and the freight cars, give me a ring. Because then might be a reasonable time to strike up the US - Nazi Germany comparisons"

Does incinerating them in bomb shelters count?

Oh. It's right-wingers who are two steps away from bringing up the Holocaust in every argument. Gotcha.

Sorry, but I thought you were hinting at some other group entirely.

And no, incinerating people in bomb shelters doesn't count.