are you going to award a cup for wine of the year?

Hysterical giggling!!! Can't type, laughing too hard!

Poor bastards! They may have to get lives now!

Horrors!

Repeat post, Dennis Miller on FNC soon, turn on your TVs. Colmes is going to blow a gasket!

What a joke, if you read the very first sentence "A right-wing blog / message board site in the US has written to Google".

This is completely false, they don't check facts. This is why google dropped 'em.

Seriously, why are we wasting our time, they can't debate, they just type in CAPS and spell words wrong.

You guys are ba-a-a-a-d! To make matters worse, a bunch of you went over there and pulled their little troll tails and got them all frothing at the mouth so now they're out for blood. They're so enraged they can hardly type straight.

I was going to leave a message over there but after reading what Mommydoc, Caton and Big Dog, etc.had to say, I decided to leave them alone; they were already insane with rage when I left.

It's not nice to tease retarded Indy-trolls!

The part about the blog writing is false, but I'm afraid the "right-wing" part is true. Sorry to disillusion you.

This is truely rich!! The site itself, the action and the reason. wonderful.

#7 Gordon

We're "right-wing"? No lie....and here I thought I was just right. My husband keeps telling me that, at least.

:P (It's a joke--laugh, dammit.)

I'm not sure, but Google pulling them from their search engine will mean what exactly to Nazimedia? Will they be harder to find now? I know google powers many search engines, but does it hurt them much?

And can they pull the same thing on LGF? If they pull some quote from here and send it to Google, they might think some bad things are going on here?

I support LGF, btw and I'm just concerned.

Charles
Proof that you're "right wing"! The title of this thread! zulubaby and mommydoc (and all the other women on here) deserve equal credit, you right wing psycho! ;-)

#4 reaganite

Colmes is going to blow a gasket!

Always a hoot! But what's really funny is that the Indymidiots and the Morlocks at DU deride him as a "spineless moderate" or as "Faux News token centrist." I'm not kidding. (I'm just too lazy to find the links right now.)

Boy Hits Car: this is not Google's search engine. It's their news service, which compiles news headlines from sites that are submitted by the site owners. I submitted LGF to them, in fact, but they replied that they only include news sources that have a "staff" of writers, and since LGF's main entries are primarily the work of one person (me) we didn't qualify.

#12 Spiny
No need for the links, I've seen what you are talking about. But it will be fun anyway!

This is just more proof that the neo-cons/J-E-W-S/eeeevvviiillll righties are in control of EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!
/sarcasm

This post is as good as the post about them being booted out of Google’s list of news sources. Sweet.

#13

Charles, I would like to serve as a writer. I demand a .01 cent yearly salary.

um 1 cent I meant

I am worth much more than 100th of a cent.

Boy Hits Car: this is not Google's search engine. It's their news service, which compiles news headlines from sites that are submitted by the site owners. I submitted LGF to them, in fact, but they replied that they only include news sources that have a "staff" of writers, and since LGF's main entries are primarily the work of one person (me) we didn't qualify.

Ah, now I see why all the excitement. Big smile on face right now, I wish you could all see it :-)

[Dark, malevolent laughter]

This thread needs a theme song. It positively screams for a theme.

[thinking...]

Ah, yeeessssssss...that's it.

[THEME
    song=Superbeast
    artist=Rob Zombie
    lyrics=Lyrics
[/THEME]

We rock.

Nazimedia sucks donkey dick for a dime a herd.

Bound up the Dead, triumphantly.

:-)

[Demonic cackling]

Yes its all part of the Zionist cabal controlling the U.S media with mossad agents infiltrating google.

mmhmm

Was anyone just watching Hannity & Colmes? Why does the left think volume makes up for the lack of facts?

Elizabeth (#6),

To make matters worse, a bunch of you went over there and pulled their little troll tails and got them all frothing at the mouth...

LOL! Awww. Aren't the little trolls cute. Don't worry Elizabeth, trolls have thick skins, sometimes you can beat on them all day with a clue-by-four and they don't even wake up.

#22: Maybe they learned it from the right.

This is awesome:

DECK OF WEASELS now available for purchase.

  Spades Hearts Diamonds Clubs
A Jacques Chirac Martin Sheen Sen. Robert "KKK" Byrd Dan Rather

K Vicente Fox Michael Moore Sen. Teddy Kennedy Gore Vidal

Q Jean Chretien Barbra Steisand Rep. Nancy Pelosi Katie Couric

J Kofi Annan Chrissie Hynde Rep. Jim McDermott Bill Moyers

10 Vladimir Putin Susan Sarandon Rep. Charlie Rangel Peter Arnett

9 Gerhard Schroeder Tim Robbins Rep. Pete Stark Helen Thomas

8 Hans Blix Sean Penn Sen. Patty Murray Mary McGrory

7 Bashar al_Assad Janeane Garofalo Rep. Marcy Kaptur Robert Scheer

6 The Ayatollah Ali Khamenei Natalie Maines Ramsey Clark Leslie Stahl

5 Moammar Gadhafi Woody Harrelson Rep Dennis Kucinich Walter Cronkite

4 Hugo Chavez George Clooney Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee Jane Fonda

3 Fidel Castro Ed Asner Rep. Jim Moran Ted Turner

2 Kim Jong-il Jessica Lange Howard Dean Harry Belafonte

And the Jokers: Jimmy Carter & Jesse Jackson

No Gordon,

it is you who lives inside of an illusion. "Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so." Doug Adams

Charles is not right wing. He is not left wing. Those paradigms don't fit him, nor do they fit this blog. Or most of those in the real world...

The necessary dynamic of liberal/conservative is at tension within him as it is in most of us... It's a healthy dynamic, so that no ideology can become the tyranny of the masses. It allows for reality and pragmatism to bend to the occasional aspiration to idealism, and protects us simultaneously from utopian fruitlessness.

There is right and there is wrong. Logic and common sense fill in the blanks for most of us, others are more doctrinaire, defining ideology as an empyrean enlightenment, from an intellectual pinnacle, or from a spiritual one, be it from Hegel, Marx, Smith, Burke, Gandhi, St Paul.

Our ideas flow from a wellspring that is not easily constrained by simple patterns of predictable dogma, and is synthesis of most of these ideas...

And Charles is one who could see the logic in adhering to the idea that-- in each heart is the capacity for good and evil.
He saw after 9/11 that a group of radicals were dedicated to the idea that (perceived) collective responsibility on our part for (perceived) collective victimhood on their part justifed murderous extremism. Their offense at a subjectively determined injustice lead to far greater injustice and inhumanity.

It also exposed to him that policies that diluted our rights to defence against a defined and real threat, based on flawed ideology that maintains focus on echoing the perceptions of the radicals, were anathema to logic, and self-destructive.

Among and amidst those who perceived the disparity between practicality and idealism, the zeitgeist of the USA, he now espouses policies that might fall under the rubric "right wing:" but then you would have to explain how such an idea has no place on the left.

However, even a cursory examination of him and most of the posters here will reveal that many right wing ideas are to them just as anathemic as Islamic radicalism. They cannot be labeled right wing in totem, in fairness. (Some can of course.)

Many would be considered liberals, many are Democrats, most are moderates. If a clear idea must be given a label, when the idea is demonstrably true, it is a disservice to truth and inquiry to decide that all tenets of one political viewpoint are therefore universally accepted.

Thus I would be wrong in saying that all antiwar demonsrators are commies, but I would be right in saying that the mainstream protestors should beware and eschew the far left.

Little Green Footballs is not a right wing weblog. Taxes, social programs, moral behavior, tradition, these topics generate widely disparate views among its readership. Instead it proposes a clear and practical idea to which many with a practical mindset ascribe.

We are in danger. Your country is the home of your liberty and your future, and not your enemy.

Dennis Miller is the shit.

Wel I must sleep but in the words of monty Python..and the people feasted on orangotans and wildesbeast and fruitbats and reptilians..and low..the Whine came and the whine was bitter.. and the British said "fuck this for a game of soldiers" and told the arafatites to fuck off.

end off.

Good luckl and should you need us we'll be back..if we need you then see you in syria :)

#26 Bleeding heart conservative
I am speechless, that was by far the most eloquent post I have ever read on LGF

Bleeding heart conservative: you have expressed my philosophy even better than I could have myself. Brilliant.

26 Great post, should be a permalink to it on the front page, under "About LGF"

I would like to see one troll attempt to try and Fisk Bleeding heart conservative, it can't be done.

Breaks my heart. I finally got tho read they site....*shudder in revulsion*

"Gentlemen" is a rather generous assessment.

Bleeding heart conservative

Wow.

There are not nearly enough superlatives to describe how impressed I am...

Bravo!! #26 Bleeding heart conservative

I think not only did you do Charles a real service with the content of that post, but the rest of us who went through the horror of Sept 11th and were transformed to the center right as well.
I know for me I live in the same skin as prior to that awful day, but the inside is all different now and its been a struggle for me to redefine myself for myself in ways I understand.

Look at how evolution is alive and vibrant to the right of center and to the left of center is just a psychotic scarey mess of single cells screaming crazily in some wild attempt to form a cohesive meld of anything resembling sense or logic.

wordwrap (#25), No, No, NO.

BTW, is it my browser, or have they deleted the comments at Indymedia?

Bloody good Bleeding Heart.

I am pretty far to the right of the spectrum. I often have disagreements with some of the regulars here.

However, for the most part, the disagreements are civil and don't drop into the depths of invective and ad hominem. Usually, we end with "we agree to disagree" or something along those lines.

Bravo to Charles for providing this forum. I learn a lot from most of the people here. My dogma hasn't been overhauled, but it has been tweaked.

# 38 Spiny Norman: From what I can see, they still have comments up, but I think they've deleted some of the ones up earlier.

#26 BHC

I salute you, Sir.

Geepers,

Good God man! I nearly choked! Ewww... not only that, her quote was insultingly stupid.

So is LGF the only blog that gets this much attention from the Indymedia?

I'd never been in there until you pointed to them last week (I think)...it's just damn amazing that the same groups that are preaching tolerance and multi-culturalism...blah blah blah...are the putting out such intolerant and blatantly bigoted nonsense.

I thought my fellow classmates were far out there...makes me wonder how far - and how low - that bunch is willing to go because of their hatred of Bush and Israel and the US.

Furthermore, I nominate Bleeding Heart to be the first writer on the staff of LGF.

As before, the position comes with a salary of 1 cent per annum.

Speaking of writers, where has my favorite LGF comedic satirist Model4 been of late?

I can't seem to post a comment on Indymedia now. They must have the comments blocked somehow.

Damn. My posts all went up on their board even though I got a flashing error message each time. Now I've got a few redundant ones up there.

ROCK

Don't let these Imperialistic right wing wackos get away with this shit. I am tired of the right-wing media controlling everything. It's the damned Jews. They control everything."

That quote was from ME. I was attempting some sort of satire. Here is my full post:

"THIS IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT.

Don't let these Imperialistic right wing wackos get away with this shit. I am tired of the right-wing media controlling everything. It's the damned Jews. They control everything.

I propose this Saturday all Indymedia supporters hold a "Fart-In" all across the land. Let the crazy right wingers know that they STINK. Be sure to eat a lot of broccoli and onion rings on Friday.

See you all there."

Google-dee-glee!!! :D

reaganite (#11)

Surely you're not turning PC on me, are you? ;-) (But thanks for the thought :-)

37 Geepers - LOL. Man, that is hideous. And, while we're at it, am I the only one who thinks that's what the future holds for the lovely Antonia Sheerbias?

Kind of like that Twilight Zone episode: every gets the face they deserve as the true self works its way outward...

#27 no doubt, dude. Miller has been amazing these last few months. Somebody's gotta snap him up and give him a show again.

Jolly Good Show Bleeding Heart Conservative. I think what has the likes of Gordon so confused is that this is a Genuine LIBERAL blog. Which are rare many no longer recognize it.

#25

Interesting. I hadn't noticed before that USA hater Jacque Chiraq and Enemy of the United States Vicente Fox may have been separated at birth.

Whatever the case, I'm glad the oily weasel Fox rated a high card. Pretty good deck, except that neither Hussein Ibbish (the fat leftist Muslim) nor whiney CAIR creep Ibrahim Hooper is properly honored.

oy.....wonder what went wrong with Tony.?

[Link: www.thestar.com...]

"Arnett sacked for speaking the ugly truth"

To be honest I thought it was stupid of you to make a post about this now right after they were excluded. The important thing is they were excluded not the tit for tat gloating. If there is even a small chance that you posting that will result in a reversal or more fervent pressure on google not to remove other hate sites was it worth the GLOATING??

1 WORD ---------- N - O

55 Mike Nargizian

If there is even a small chance that you posting that will result in a reversal or more fervent pressure on google not to remove other hate sites was it worth the GLOATING??

Mike, it was the google NEWS service that we're talking about. They have to remove any "hate" sites as they are not serious news outlets, but are focused on providing a certain point of view. The garbage at the indymedia sites is posted with no regard to journalistic guidelines. Too many of the "news" articles are blatantly someone's paranoid delusional rant.

[Link: www.chronwatch.com...]

This blows another hole in messeindy's credibility.

okay, i can't resist any longer. i was on a bart train the other night (s.f. subway system, for those outside the bay area) and a guy got on with his bike. he literally looked homeless and was mumbling to himself the whole ride. i couldn't help but notice, though, that he had, safety-pinned to the left sleeve of his jacket, a yellow rectangular piece of cloth that read "PRESS - sf.indymedia". wish i could've taken a picture for y'all. the guy was too much...

point is - lgf, you've got *nothing* to worry about

While they're on Google they seem to love it. But once they get kicked off, they get mad and one reader complains, Google is just a "corporate Yank site" anyway.

Just a few examples of story headlines over at idiotmedia. For the trolls who may try to defend idiotmedia as a serious valuable news source.

ANTICHRIST DESTROYS THE ENTIRE CULTURAL HISTORY OF ALL MANKIND
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 12, 2003

ANTICHRIST WAS WARNED WEEKS AGO ABOUT POSSIBLE LOOTING AT BAGHDAD ...
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 13, 2003

ANTICHRIST MISSILE WOUNDED ALI SO GRIEVOUSLY HIS DOCTORS WANT HIM ...
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 13, 2003

The ehnic cleansing in Iraq has begun.
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 13, 2003

NURSE'S DESPERATE PLEA TO ANTICHRIST AND POODLE: GET ALI OUT
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 14, 2003

SARS: It works for us, says Australia's racist PM John Howard
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 14, 2003

Hamid Karzai Supports Israel's Ethnic Cleansing Campaign in ...
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 14, 2003

GEORGE W. IS A GANGSTA
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 15, 2003

US Troops In Mosul Fire On Crowd and Kill 10 For Heckling Pro-US ...
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 15, 2003

ANTICHRIST STORMTROOPERS ACCUSED OF CARNAGE
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 15, 2003

WAR CRIMES PROBE LAUNCHED AGAINST ANTICHRIST AND POODLE REGIMES
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 16, 2003

CFL ALERT: PALESTINIAN CHILDREN TORTURED
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 18, 2003

WARNING: US will plant evidence of Weapons of Mass Desctruction ...
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 18, 2003

IDF Murders Another Journalist
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 19, 2003

ZIONAZIS BESIEGE WEST BANK HOSPITAL
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 19, 2003

DANIEL PIPES: A JEWISH VERSION OF DAVID DUKE
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 20, 2003

CHILDREN MAIN VICTIM OF ANTICHRIST CLUSTER BOMBS
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 20, 2003

ZIONIST AMERICAN EXPRESS CANCELS MUSLIM CREDIT CARDS
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 21, 2003

ANTICHRIST STORMTROOPERS LOOT A MILLION IN IRAQI CHARADE
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 22, 2003

ANTICHRIST BACK IN NUCLEAR BOMB MAKING BUSINESS
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 25, 2003

ANTICHRIST MASSACRE AS AMMO DUMP OP BLOWS UP 1 SQUARE KILOMETER ...
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 26, 2003

Terrorists in Israel targeting CHILDREN!
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 28, 2003

9/11 was a hoax
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 28, 2003

SAY NO TO PIPES!
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 29, 2003

US TROOPS MASSACRE 13 IRAQI PROTESTORS
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 29, 2003

Crowd Control American-style -
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 30, 2003

American Soldiers Caught On Film Gunning Down Protest In Fallujah
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 30, 2003

Chickenshit Bush Hides from Bay Area Activists
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - Apr 30, 2003

The Bush's genocide in Texas and Iraq
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - May 1, 2003

Saddam Hussein role model for President GW Bush
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - May 1, 2003

Imperialist Troops Out of Iraq!
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - May 1, 2003

Vatican Concerned By Bush's "Christian" Blood Cult
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - May 2, 2003

Bush, Bomb USAF Academy to Protect Our Women
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - May 2, 2003

ZIONAZIS MACHINE GUN ACCLAIMED CHILD RIGHTS FILM JOURNALIST JAMES ...
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - May 2, 2003

Jewish group Threatens To Kill Editor Of College Newspaper
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - May 3, 2003

Raise the Palestinian Flag over City Hall
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - May 4, 2003

Weapons of Mass Destruction Found - Made and Delivered by the USA
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - May 5, 2003

Israeli Tourist Minister Terrorizes Palestinian Homes
San Francisco Indymedia, CA - May 6, 2003

#58 agit-prop

I think all reporters look like that... I know a guy who writes for the Comical (SF Chronicle), and he looks like a bum - or maybe an '80s New Wave reject - tweed jacket and dress shirt with jeans and sneakers. Turns out he was [uh, allegedly] having an affair with a 16-year-old neighbor, giving her drugs, etc.... but that's a different story.

Reporters are random. SF Indymedia reporters are random to the power of 3.

Yes! That was awesome, BHC. I wish I could be that eloquent. Somebody got it right.

#60,

LOL! "Bush's genocide in Texas" - huh? As a proud Texan I'm surprised I missed that. Seems like it would have made the papers.

I'd laugh at more of those "headlines," but the completely-in-another-galaxy hatred they show kinda frightens me.

Oh, and Bleeding Heart Conservative?

BRAVO!

To 'Bleeding Heart Conservative':

That was awesome.

Interesting site.... festering with typical Jew hatred.... we'll keep you in mind.

As per usual, 90% of the comments on that Indymedia topic were from LGFers, as always happens when Charles links to an Indymedia topic.

Even one of the comments that was cited as a reason why Indymedia should be taken off Google was a joke comment from another LGFer. If this can happen so easily then doesn't that indicate to you how easily Indymedia can be hijacked by anti-Semites and other bigots? I don't like the Indymedia "agenda" but I like to idea of a COMPLETELY NO HOLDS BARRED forum, although categorising them as a news service is a stretch.

Charles,

Would you mind deleting at least the homepage of the poster of #65? I don't think this kind of filth belongs here.

In Indymedia's own words: "This is a serious blow to the Indymedia network . . ."

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

P.S. #26 Bleeding Heart
"We are in danger. Your country is the home of your liberty and your future, and not your enemy."

Words to live by!

But I think too many of the fruit loops in the anti-war movement are stuck in the Pogo "we have met the enemy and he is us" mindset that there is no hope of getting them to see the light.

natsocnet (#65)

Fuck off, you putrid piece of Nazi shit. As Meryl Yourish would say: Die, already.

What are "Indymedia maroons" will you tell me?

Seems ChronWatch is wise to IndyMedia also. IndyMedia Israel that is.

====================================
"Israel at 55 Years Old. Will It Make 60?"

Posted by Dr. Steven Plaut Thursday, May 08, 2003

"Israeli leftists are spreading every anti-Jewish blood libel imaginable (just this week, an Israeli leftist anti-Semitic web site [Link: www.indymedia.org.il...] spread two newly fabricated blood libels that Israeli soldiers are carving Jewish stars into the limbs of Palestinian children and that Jewish settlers are
throwing two year old Arab children out of windows). If these people have not yet adopted as their causes proving that Jews drink gentile blood for Passover this is just a matter of time."
====================================

And to BHC - You da man, or da woman!

Bleeding Heart Conservative: You are simply eloquent.

.... we'll keep you in mind.

And we will keep you in mind. Go and watch the History Channel. You can watch Hitler being defeated over and over and over...

BHC: Well said friend, very well said indeed. Thank you.

I don't know how accurate this test it but my results say I lean a little to the political "left": [Link: www.politicalcompass.org...]

Isn't Islamofascism on the extreme "right"? Maybe it is on the extreme and totalitarian "left"? I dunno. The whole "right wing" accusation is a joke. If I criticise backward cultural practices like the beheading of Homsexuals in Saudi Arabia or if I criticise Islamofascism I am accused of being racist or right wing?

Here are my "test" results: [Link: www.users.on.net...]

A few things. first of all numerous indymedias worldwide published this story and all of them have linked to my site, which is why i'm getting TONS of hatemail.
Secondly, they all wanted to see the headers. i published them in my blog, and I'll publish them here again:
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From: news-feedback@google.com
Subject: Re: [#2253310] Why is google using Indymedia as a source? and why is
ZIONAZI a legitimate word?
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Oh, and yeah. I hid my email.

Better to write Google & have your voice heard than to spar at Indymedia in a flame war.
Suggestions@google.com
comments@google.com

Debbie (#77)

I agree. I can't stomach the Indymedia sites, with the hateful, screeching anti-Semites that post there. I prefer to e-mail Google and fight it that way than get into a hate-fest with the scum on Indymedia. Let them wallow in their own rot.

What the Indymedia posters don't realize is that it is their own fault that they've been removed from Google's listings. One only needs to spend five minutes on Indymedia to understand that what we are dealing with here is a collection of raving lunatics. The word "Nazi" is used as standard fare and whatever other racist, xenophobic language they use doesn't win anyone over either.

As is typical of them and their ilk, they continue to thrash about, seething and spewing, blaming everybody else for what they have brought upon themselves. And then they behave like the wounded party! Kinda like the Palestinians. No wonder they are so behind the Palestinians' "cause", they all understand each other. It's appalling that they were linked to at all.

Charles apparently cannot be considered because there is no "staff of reporters". Are we supposed to believe that the scum that post on Indymedia are "reporters"? More like good little goose-stepping losers, me thinks. I continue to be delighted by Google's move. It's good to know that they do take opinions and feedback seriously. I've been fighting them since day one, and felt like it was a hopeless cause. I'm glad that I didn't give up, and that so many others were on top of this too.

Wait, Indymedia is in countries all over the world including Israel??
The fact that it is in Israel is A S T O U N D I N G to me.

By the way wasn't Indymedia funded initially by Ted Turner?
Is that where they get most of their funding?

Mike

#71 Robert Stevens,

You think that is bad?

Wait till American troops start policing the PA areas.

They will be accused of carving Mt. Rushmore.

#65 posted a link to a Nazi site, and has been banned. I also deleted the link, but left its comment for the record.

Nice friends Indymedia has.

Mike Nargizian (#80)

I just went to the Indymedia site and couldn't find a link to Israel.

Charles (#82)

That was one of the most disgusting sites I've ever seen. Thank you for deleting the link.

#79 zulubaby

Charles apparently cannot be considered because there is no "staff of reporters". Are we supposed to believe that the scum that post on Indymedia are "reporters"?

Exactly! Indymedia just got a ton of exposure for the network and the financing it gets. I don't think that criteria of having a staff itself is enough to distinguish. Either they include only sources that are established news sources, registered as such and all, or if they do want to include also blogs or anything that is not "official" news reporting, then they have to discriminate with more common sense.

Brilliant job, by the way, israeliguy and everyone who wrote to google.

Now what about some sources like Islam-online, I don't see how a mission statement saying their role is "to ensure that nothing on this site violates the fixed principles of Islamic law (Shar'ia)" can qualify as news reporting! If the same kind of distortion and hateful filth is in an Arab paper's editorial, well ok, tough shit, it's there, but at least it's an acknowledged news source (I guess they can't possibly restrict the sources only to democratic countries...). It may be a difference of stated goals vs. implicit ones, but a portal with an official mission to submit the news to the shariah is blatantly taking the concept of editorial to another level...

ZULU I found the link in #71.
And what was the answer to the funding was it Ted Turner?

#71 Robert Stevens 5/8/2003 11:08PM PST
Seems ChronWatch is wise to IndyMedia also. IndyMedia Israel that is.
====================================
"Israel at 55 Years Old. Will It Make 60?"

Posted by Dr. Steven Plaut Thursday, May 08, 2003

"Israeli leftists are spreading every anti-Jewish blood libel imaginable (just this week, an Israeli leftist anti-Semitic web site www.indymedia.org.il...]>
spread two newly fabricated blood libels that Israeli soldiers are carving Jewish stars into the limbs of Palestinian children and that Jewish settlers are
throwing two year old Arab children out of windows). If these people have not yet adopted as their causes proving that Jews drink gentile blood for Passover this is just a matter of time."
====================================

And to BHC - You da man, or da woman!

www.indymedia.org.il...]>

zaza (#84)

Google News has been burning me from the very beginning. It started with their use of Arab News, etc. as their source for news about Israel! Gimme a break. It's an ongoing battle but I for one will keep at it. I'm still pushing them to include Jerusalem Post, but apparently there is some kind of technical problem that prevents them from including it in their resources. Islam Online is hardly a "news" source. This is just ridiculous.

The media drives me nuts. I can barely watch TV anymore, I certainly don't read the Los Angeles Times. Thank G-d for the internet, and most especially for LGF, or I'd lose my mind completely (may be too late already ;-)

Mike (#85)

That just did me in. I wonder if it was set up by Arafat's boyfriend, Adam Shapiro. WTF!? I don't know anything about Ted Turner funding Indymedia. Maybe one of the other posters knows more.

... carving Jewish stars into the limbs of Palestinian children ...

No, actually, that was done to a Jew in Paris. Liars.

You can find the original link in the original post Zulu. I tried twice and both times it didn't show up in the eventual post.

I think the reason why the Jerusalem Post is not linked to is because they require you to sign up for their on line service maybe? Its free but requires signing up. Otherwise I don't understand why the F they wouldn't be linked to at Google. You can find Neo Nazi sites there like Vanguard and overthrow.com.

#88 zulubaby

Montpellier, not Paris, actually.

Montpellier? Shit, I'm going there for a two week language course/vacation this summer. Heard it was a nice town. (I thought all the Islamo-scumbags were in Marseilles).

#87 zulubaby:

The media drives me nuts. I can barely watch TV anymore, I certainly don't read the Los Angeles Times.

And you're in America *sigh* just imagine how much worse it is in commieuroarabia.... - It's enough to send your blood pressure skyrocketing.

I'm beyond glad I found this site too, I'd gladly devolve to Charles my tv licence if I could.

And then, sites like honestreporting.com and local chapters do a great service too, thing is, most of those slanted media editors very rarely respond to complaints... that's how much they value feedback.

- The Ted Turner/Indymedia connection: I never heard that either, it would be tooo much really! I thought one of the main men sponsoring Indymedia was George Soros, at least that's what I heard way back when it was established. They were discussing getting financed by the Ford Foundation but I'm not sure it went ahead. They got an offer from GM through an awful anarchist british pop band, but they are still discussing that (so UN-like)... - I just did a few searches on their mailing lists:

To be clear, Los Angeles IMC accepted $10,000 from the Soros Fund for the DNC in 2000, which you might even argue that the diversity here affected that decision as we were able to publish newspapers that got distributed to inner city high schools throughout LA. I would support taking Soros capital again for the same reason.

[Link: lists.indymedia.org...]

and here's what they have in the piggy box
[Link: lists.indymedia.org...]

Global IMC Account: $42,035 (U.S.)

It's not at CNN levels, but just imagine, if only LGF had that kind of spare change, eh?

#91 kid charlemagne

It's a very nice town, and it holds true to its original Latin name. That's 'Mons Puellarum', i.e. 'Hill of the (pretty) Young Women'.

'nuff said :-)

Four months? Well, it could've been worse.... We can be grateful. It's a new world, with a new media. While not timely, I do appreciate Google being responsive to the concept.

I found the following post at the Indymedia site. It is because of results like this that it is so important to watch and think about what you post.

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Please guys - don't play their game...
by Dannyboy 8:31am Fri May 9 '03 (Modified on 10:50am Fri May 9 '03)

Don't feed the trolls!

Indymedia UK has been flooded with lots of hate-messages recently.

I know it is annoying - but this abuse is mainly coming for a single US message board (who shall remain nameless).

They mounted a sustained attack last night and posted lots of hate-filled messages on the newswire. In typical cointel-pro fashion, they fabricated messages that ranted about "Jewish conspiricies" and the like, which they then used to "prove" that Indymedia was a race- hate site.

The best way to deal with these postings is to ignore them until the Indymedia team can remove them. Please remember that Indymedia's publishing guidelines are very specific about this sort of thing and as soon as the poor, overworked, moderators get chance they will scrub the hate off the newswire.

We really don't want to be drawn into an infantile slanging match with these people. It brings the newswire into disrepute. I would ask that the newswire editors be a little more ruthless in the cutting of abusive posts.

Such terms as "Zionazi" are immature name-calling that just draws abuse and discredits this fantastic resource for the global justice movement.

Please lets keep this site limited to reasoned, reflective, calm and collected indypendant reporting. Leave your name-calling for down the pub :)

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What's in a word?
by Tommy girl 9:53am Fri May 9 '03

The term 'Nazi' has been bandied about for decades to defame anyone who criticized people of Jewish descent, like Tam Dayell did.

The term 'Zionist' now has similar connotations, in that, anyone who uses it must necessarily be critical of Israel and therefore, by nature, an antisemitic 'Nazi.'

It seems the two terms fit together, like an iron fist in a velvet glove. Let's call a spade, a spade, while we still can, without it being a hate-crime.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, censored names will never hurt me, but armoured tanks bulldozing my home and hellfire missiles could kill me.
Too right...

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by Thomas J 10:50am Fri May 9 '03

I saw the full extent of that attack last night, and felt absoultely disgusted by the slander and lies coming from this group. Fortunately the article they were all slamming, which actully sought to provoke them and triggered it all off in the first place, has now been pulled from the newswire (it was non-news anyway).

To all the true IMCers out there, don't get dragged into slanging matchs and flame wars with these bastards, this just damages the integrity of Indymedia. If you want to help, e-mail offensive posts to the features list at imc-uk-features@lists.indymedia.org, or become involved in the editoral team yourself.

You don't need these bigots, but this bigots definately need you, and that makes them all the more pathetic.

Peace/solidarity, tj

justdanny #60

Those headlines are disgusting and as immature as can be...

BHC...That was better than sex

Just thought I'd add my voice to the chorus praising Bleeding Heart Conservative. Brilliant post.

BHC = Chris Hitchens. We now know he posts here under that pen name.

Once we're on the topic of the media, can you point me to any resources regarding media bias? Specifically, the indymidiots and one of my professors will say things like you can't trust the media to bring you the whole truth anymore b/c they are corporate stooges or whatever. Eric Alterman I think also says the media is right-wing biased.

So if I say the media is left-wing biased and they say it's right-wing biased, I need some sources to back myself up.

Second, if we just go off and say that the media like Reuters, CBC and the Toronto Star are under a left-wing and anti-Semitic or anti-Israel delusion, how can I really prove this claim different from what anti-Semites will say about teh Jews controlling everything? How does the "media is controlled by a left-wing cabal" differ from "the Jews/Lizards/CIA/Bilderbergs/etc. control everything"? Or is it just that those in power in the media have left-wing beliefs which will naturally show itself; not an intentional conspiracy or anthing like that?

StupifiedGazer (#100),

Do you know about the Media Research Center? Its hard to refute quotes.

uk.indymedia seems awfully fragile. Every single time I try to post, the system gags.

I really appreciate what Bleeding Heart Conservative said in #26. I had always considered myself a Progressive but I find it impossible not to see that the mainstream of the Left went utterly reactionary, irrelevent and insane just after Gulf War I -- doubly so after September 11.

I cannot respect people who think that evil and sociopathy do not exist; who think that everything including the physical world is a social construct; whose greatest desire is to annihilate those who think even slightly differently from them; who think that everything in the universe is good or bad, true or false depending on race, sex, sexual orientation or some other collective orientation.

I notice that a handful of Leftist agree. I see that all of them have been denounced as rightists. So too would be Martin Luther King, Jr. if he were alive today.

I think Indymedia represents both the bane and the strength of the Internet: everyone's a publisher.

They're idiots, but I think they primarily preach to the choir of "progressive" asshats.

#99 - nah, Hitchens would have gone into massive ranting and thrown in a few insults for the deluded. BHC was a lot more polite and restrained.

#100 StupidiedGazer.

Check these out:

Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA)

and

HonestReporting.com

Surely Indymedia, revolting as it is, is no worse than most of the Arab / Iranian news sources that are in Google's news service, not to mention Cuba's Granta and other ridiculously tendentious sources.

I've spent a lot of time writing about leftist and Arab anti-Semitism, so I've been happy to see LGF fight the good fight so well for so long. But you guys celebrating Indymedia's removal from Google News has a myopic and self-congratulatory character that seems to have overcome this site since the conclusion of the Iraq war.

As a blogger, Google News is a key tool because it enables me to easily find news from a variety of sources around the world. Sometimes I am looking for the Arab perspective, for instance, precisely because of its lunatic bias and febrile anti-Semitism; this helps me take the pulse of the "Arab Street" whose politics and culture we are fighting against. That way I can expose it through my writing and help people form reasonable opinions on foreign policy and the War on Terror.

Indymedia is similarly reflective of the tenor of far-left idiocy. While it is just that -- far-left idiocy -- it is nonetheless insidiously influential, as we saw in the sordid fact of the WWP having such a key role in organizing the recent anti-war protests. Therefore, it behooves us to have open access to it. We need to understand and then fight it.

Trying to promote, or simply celebrating, censorship of ideas that are moronic and loathsome is in this way counterproductive. It is also, as a friend of mine recently pointed out, disturbingly similar to the censorious extertions of the PC crowd, which conservatives have rightly villified for so long.

If you are worried that people will mistake Indymedia for an objective news source because of its inclusion in Google News, I understand. I think, however, that the answer to that is to educate people about Indymedia. That's a much better idea than initiating or supporting a process that could easily come back and bite you in the ass.

#107 Sir John-Paul: You don't get it.

Sometimes I am looking for the Arab perspective, for instance, precisely because of its lunatic bias and febrile anti-Semitism; this helps me take the pulse of the "Arab Street" whose politics and culture we are fighting against.

Google News gathers news sources. So they do include Arab papers too, many of which offer a slightly more "professional" version of that Arab street lunatic raving, ok. They might even include Al-Ahram or any other paper directly sponsored by a non-democratic regime. It's still one of the established papers of that country.

What is Indymedia, on the other hand? pure activism, political network, a political agenda - which is, after all, what you get in any editorial of any paper too. The difference is that papers, even the most biased, do start from the news, not from the politics or a manifesto.

And the real point is: it's up to them to select their sources - and in this case, as in all other cases, they, Google, decided to remove IndyMedia. Israeliguy, people at LGF or anyone else who complained about IndyMedia do NOT manage Google. It's Google that made that decision. It's up to them to take suggestions from the feedback, and act on it if they deem it a fair suggestion in their own interests.
I would think they were smart enough to know that it wasn't really a valid news source to include in such a popular news portal as theirs. End of story. What's it got to do with censorship? nothing at all.

Jean-Paul: what part of "LGF has never mounted a campaign to have Indymedia removed from Google News’s list of sources" didn't you understand?

Did you follow the link to Only in Israel, with a screenshot of an Indymedia headline using the word "Zionazis?"

How is it "censorship" when people write in to complain about a hate site (and that's what Indymedia is) being included in Google's news browser? If Google responds to what must have numerous complaints, and removes them from the list, how is this "censorship?"

Indymedia hasn't been shut down. No one is censoring them. No one is stopping you from accessing them. Their hatred and anti-Semitism is still on the web in all its glory.

But they do not deserve to be included as a legitimate news source, along with the Washington Post and the New York Times, because they are not. Excuse me if it makes me happy to see them removed from Google.

Charles,

Please don't misinterpret me. I am not accusing you of having mounted a campaign to have Google remove Indymedia from its aggregation of feeds. Nor is it in the vaguest dispute that Indymedia is made and run by scum, or a hate site. The point I am trying to make is more subtle.

In an endeavor as heady as making political sense of current events, one benefits from having ready access to all manner of journalistic primary sources. Yes, Indymedia is a propaganda site; so are most if not all Arab media sources, as I hope you'd agree, as well as Granta and anything coming out of a country without a free press. Nothing coming out of such a country is a "legitimate" news source in how the term should be understood in a Western context. However, regardless of its quality, it benefits those seeking to understand the mindset of a particular culture to access its journalism.

With respect to many of the Arab/Iranian sources, although zaza is right in claiming they are generally more "professional" in tone, there is little if any difference between them and Indymedia in the ideas they communicate, and even at times the language or imagery they employ. It's just that Indymedia is more commonly callow in communicating its agenda. Both are anti-Semitic, Third-Worldist, in favor of diluted or explicit socialism, and frothingly anti-American. Neither one tells the truth.

Therefore, if Google is to narrow its source list based on the criterion that its feeds be "legitimate", it really shouldn't stop at Indymedia. It should cut a lot of content. I think that the rather inexact science of determining the journalistic "legitimacy" that would govern this purge will gradually quiet the clamor of ideas inherent in a medium like Google News. It will replace it with the dull hum of one or the other party line.

In short, it's a roundabout way to promote the censorship of this medium.

And, however legitimate it may be to loathe Indymedia and the slime that posts there, and to gloat over any adversity that befalls them, celebrating an outcome in line with the suppressive fantasies of the PC Left can only be self-defeating.

It is not necessary for you to have mounted such a campaign. It is sufficient for you to foster at LGF an environment in which the near-term gratification of helping obscure Indymedia trumps the free vetting of ideas, moronic or otherwise.

Do you really think your readership didn't write Google in droves to complain?

As someone who gives many people their first lession in search the internet, I can tell you that the problem with Indy media and the like is much biggger then just the google news issue. Try to do a search on the word Sabra, and you get dozens of hits on Sabra and Shatilla massacure. One would have to really know how to use the internet to find the definition of a native born israeli or the cactus. Lies that are intended to make people hate israel and Jews are clogging up the search engines.

John-Paul: in your first comment, you wrote:

That's a much better idea than initiating or supporting a process that could easily come back and bite you in the ass.

I neither initiated nor supported any process. That's what I was responding to; that's what you wrote. Now you accuse me of "misinterpreting" you?

LGF has absolutely no input into Google's selection of news sources, and I have no idea how many of our readers may have complained about Indymedia. If Google removed Indymedia, that is their right, and their choice. Again, this is not censorship. It's a service responding to complaints from users.

You wrote:

It is sufficient for you to foster at LGF an environment in which the near-term gratification of helping obscure Indymedia trumps the free vetting of ideas, moronic or otherwise.

I'm trying not to be insulting, but come on. This is just stupid. All I have ever done is to criticize Indymedia and point out their insane, over the top anti-Semitism.

Then, again you attempt to insinuate that I've somehow been responsible for the removal of Indymedia from Google:

Do you really think your readership didn't write Google in droves to complain?

I don't know, and I don't care. Our readers are individual humans with the same rights as any other individual human. It's nice that you seem to think I have some sort of Svengali-like power that can compel them to do my bidding, without ever spelling out what that bidding is, but again -- this is just stupid, and it's an insult to our readers, who are all adults and can all take responsibility for their own actions.

If you want to read Indymedia, you know where to find it -- exactly where it's always been. No "subtle" suppression has taken place, and your access to it is just as "easy" as it ever has been. Just click a browser bookmark, and hey! What do you know! You're at Indymedia! (In spite of my Rasputin-like attempts to suppress them.)

Besides which, Indymedia is not a media outlet or a publication or a news source. It is an open forum where people post links to articles, websites, etc. and add their comments. Much as I loathe the BBC (talk about anti-Semitic!), they are a legitimate media outlet. Indymedia is not. It's a hateful, anti-Semitic propaganda site. Nothing more, nothing less. To be arguing about whether or not they should be included in Google's news resources is ridiculous. If you want to visit the website, by all means do, but it should not have been included in Google's news resources in the first place.

Rejecting the typical indymedia user's post as 'COINTEL-pro operations' is such a lame excuse, and is really just a poor conceved MUMIATEL-pro cover up.

#114

COINTEL-PRO = Black Helicopters = Tin Foil Hat Brigade

Indymedia, the home of Infantile Conspiracy Theorists of the World.

BTW I have posted comments at SF Indymedia (the looniest of the lot) without ever being abusive, but they never stay up.

:^P

Charles,

Can you please delete at least the link in comment #116? I don't think that filth belongs here.

The laws of the Talmud are in harsh contradiction to German morals

What morals you piece of Nazi shit? Get out of here. I so wish Q was around. Charles, please delete the nutjobs post, and this one if need be to keep the thread intact.

May Chris Castle (whichever Nazi that was) burn in hell for all eternity. I rest easy knowing that he will.

#116: Die, already (hat tip: Meryl Yourish).

#110 John-Paul: no, you didn't get it again, my point about the "slightly more professional tone" was not that there is "no difference with IMC," but the opposite, ie. what zulubaby said in #113.

It's not primarily or only a matter of content or tone - but how that is put forth, which in turn affects content, but is also a basic technical distinction in form, ie. in terms of legitimacy as a news source. Even Fidel Castro's newspaper is the newspaper of that country. OF course it's not legitimate in the democratic and independent sense that a free press is, and everyone with half a brain who reads it will know, it's the mouthpiece of a regime, but it's still a newspaper - it's got editors, legal responsibility, authors with full name and surname for every article. It can be full of vicious propaganda and more or less slyly disguised hatred as any media is liable to, even in democratic countries, but it's still NOT a usenet newsgroup, discussion board, anonymous forum - IMC is a cacophonic mix of all that (in form, first of all, and then content), and Google News doesn't include any of those things as established, legitimate news sources. Doesn't even include weblogs, does it. IMC would fit better into "Google Groups", except it's not on usenet.

Google is a big company, certainly they too take their decisions themselves. And nothing was censored by Google - IMC is not their property, it's still up and running, but Google News is THEIR portal and they include what they like. They just realised a little later IMC didn't fit in a NEWS portal. Got a problem with that? then write directly to Google! sheesh. If you can't manage honesty, at last have some logic. You completely ignored all that Charles wrote, oh why is that not suprising.

Start your whining

What about seething?

Ah. Now that the whole original #116 is gone, it looks like zulubaby hates me. I'm hurt.

Caton,

Which is why I wrote:

Charles, please delete the nutjobs post, and this one if need be to keep the thread intact.

Let's drink champagne (with strawberries) to celebrate the Nazi's death, shall we?

#122 zulubaby

Wanna come for dinner? we're having Gefilte fish tonight :-)

Caton (#123)

I would swear at you except I know I'm not supposed to be rude to my elders ;-)

#124 zulubaby

Hey, you're the one with the strawberries! Remember, my wife doesn't like strawberries! ;-)

Caton,

That's fine, I'll bring the strawberries, but I'm not coming if there's Gefilte fish for dinner. No way. Keep that stuff the hell away from me.

#126 zulubaby

Ah well, my mother in law cooked it. We have to eat it with a smile and a thanks. After all, she did it out of love for us. She thinks we all long for Gefilte fish. So every month...

Huh -- she really does love us all, by the way. She's a lovely old lady, too. But... ah... very Jewish :-)

zaza (#119)

Well put. I think what is confusing some people here is that Indymedia hasn't been removed from Google per se, but from Google News. It is not a media outlet and should therefore have not been included as a news resource to begin with.

xxxxx xxxxx xxxxx

Charles,

If you did not support such a process, why, upon learning that Indymedia had been removed from Google News, did you say, "We win"? Why did Meryl Yourish send you a cooing semaphore that indicated the same?

It's clear that you are misinterpreting me, and I think purposely so. I am not saying you got together a coven of warbloggers and their minions and bombarded Google News until it capitulated to your demand to censor Indymedia. I am saying you are participating in -- even promulgating -- an ethos in which that end result is seen as a good thing.

I don't think there is much point in dwelling on the argument about whether Indymedia is a "legitimate" news source, as it hinges on ludicrous concepts like a presumed "legal accountability" under which those who produce the propaganda of regimes like Castro's labor.

Also, dwelling so strongly on Indymedia's "legitimacy" is valid only insofar as you are simply a media watchdog. I think we both know that you and your readers -- myself included -- see more significance in Indymedia's removal from Google News.

Building on my earlier argument about regional journalism allowing us to take the pulse of a particular culture, Indymedia does serve as a semi-journalistic bellwether of anarcho-socialist thought. That thought may be dispersed throughout the world and it may be presented with a minimum of editorial oversight. And in spite of the deluge of Usenet-style garbage, Indymedia does feature activist reports and articles reprinted from "more professional" hate sites like Electronic Intifada and the Independent's Robert Fisk archive. This is just as lesser news organizations might use content from the AP, Reuters or New York Times newswires. (Both EL and Fisk, by the way, are included among Google News's feeds, as well as other "legitimate" publications like World Socialist Web Site and the august WorldNetDaily.)

Indymedia is infuriating, disgusting and essential to understanding the anti-American, anti-Semitic Left. Don't tell me I can just click on a bookmark and find them. People wanting to hear Rabbi Michael Lerner speak at ANSWER's anti-war rally could have just gone instead to an event organized by him. (The censorious overtones of his exclusion were obviously not lost on you.) Google News is a medium for understanding, just like that ludicrous rally proposed to be, and to narrow the scope of its voice is to lessen it.

The great 20th Century Protestant theologian, Reinhold Niebhur, was a passionate believer in the "conservative" endeavor of winning the Cold War unequivocally. He did warn, however, that moral triumphalism was a grave danger, and that America, if it emerged victorious from the Cold War, might well overextend itself and thus dissipate the power and prestige it won at such a high cost.

Since 9/11, a lot of people have come to eschew the standing-water ideology of left-liberalism. You and I are among them. We are joined by a national majority that ushered in the great Republican victory of the last election and overwhelmingly supported the just and necessary war in Iraq.

If we succumb to triumphalism in the wake of this tidal shift in the moral imagination of America, we risk -- sooner or later -- driving people back into the arms of the feckless dogma that left our back door open to 9/11 and followed up by trying passively to succor Saddam Hussein.

Since we last spoke, you have already made another speech police post about the admittedly loathsome Reuters. Regarding the caption

"Relatives of Palestinians who were sent into exile after the standoff in the Church of Nativity in Bethlehem one year ago, hold their pictures during a demonstration for their right to return to Bethlehem, May 10, 2003."

there is simply no other reasonable way for Reuters to describe the political actors in that photograph. They were there to advocate for their genocidal buddies' perceived right to return to Bethlehem. Do you expect Reuters to say, "Relatives of Palestinians... hold their pictures during a demonstration in celebration of these Genocide Monkey's assoholic fantasy of creating a Judenrein Palestine"?

It is this dogmatic nitpicking about speech that logically leads to "an environment in which the near-term gratification of helping obscure Indymedia trumps the free vetting of ideas, moronic or otherwise." You are not aiding the cause by finding play-the-record-backwards subliminal messages in neutral speech. Nor is it a "win" to support Indymedia's removal from Google News. You are hindering the cause by adopting the worst behavior of the PC Left. And you will increasingly lose your thoughtful audience in favor of readers like this:

Robert Brandtjen #1
Robert Brandtjen #2
Robert Brandtjen #3

And, on another, more practical note, as of four hours prior to this post, Google News has not dropped Indymedia from its source list.

zulubaby: Ah, guess that was all too optimistic though. Seems like people ranting about the "obscuration" of IMC are so far beyond that level of confusion, it can't even be rationalised. It's like, wooosh! everything flies right over their heads.

#130 John-Paul Pagano:

Don't tell me I can just click on a bookmark and find them [any Indymedia site].

(in Frankenstein jr mode): Yes!!! It can be done! It is aliiive!

130 John-Paul Pagano -

But economic mandate forced me into the Internet industry around 7 years ago. I actually received a form letter from Iowa's graduate-level creative writing program informing me that I should not pursue higher education in the liberal arts outside of a messianic intellectual zeal. So I put my ivory tower dream aside.

Now perhaps it is clear why I write like Mencken on ludes.

I have to confess, I'm getting both confused and disillusioned. I haven't been posting, and my minuscule but faithful readership has dwindled.

Perhaps it has something to do with your rather obvious narcissistic pompousness- i.e., you have a self inflated ego, which, judging by your lack of personal accomplishments, leads one to believe, as Iowans apparently did (speaking as a Midwesterner, Iowa U is hardly an "Ivory Tower"), that you are a genuine blow hard, as we say here in the Midwest.

I feel that I should lock myself in a jail cell with the canonical portion of the geopolitical ouevre and just learn.

It would certainly help mankind if you locked yourself away, apparently your readership feels the same way. What you need is a good dose of the real world, it has a wonderously tempering effect.

But even so, the information is infinite, and the issues are largely beyond our capacity for true understanding. And people are unaware of themselves.

My goodness, spoken like a true Frenchman- either you have taken it upon yourself to speak for all of mankind or you are using "our" in the royal first person, either way, I smell delusions of grandeur, perhaps another source of your dwindling readership.

Now perhaps it is clear why I write like Mencken on ludes.

Yes, either that or the ludes you take are the source of dementia-

Either way, judging from your photograph, I would say you need to get out into the open air once in a while. Exercise is good for the Soul, actually living life is also a tonic for those who would pretend to the social-psychobabble that you seem to dwell in. Take a hint from the Iowans, stay out of education, find a nice factory job, there you will most likely find your true calling in this life. The world already has far too many pseudo-intellectuals who can't seem to pull their heads out nor divine the true nature of mankind. In other words, I think your inflated ego and self importance are a direct consequence of a liberal education in which you were led to believe (falsely) that having no social life and pretending to greatness were a substitute for true intellect.

Nor is it a "win" to support Indymedia's removal from Google News. You are hindering the cause by adopting the worst behavior of the PC Left. And you will increasingly lose your thoughtful
audience in favor of readers like this:

Considering his hits keep growing and yours are deminishing, I'd say your just jealous. Or totally clueless. It's most likely a combination of both.

Your also most likely the son of an immigrant, I may be wrong, I have no proof, but you, like many others seem to think it's just fine to impose your views on what American Society should be, based upon an inflated notion of your "superior" intellectual value- which is the ultimate in Lefty narcissism. Get a clue, no one gives a "rat's ass" what you think or say- Iowans can smell a weenie a mile off, that's why they're Iowans. As someone who has spent many happy days hunting pheasants in Iowa, I can't imagine someone of your ilk living there- Texas either.

PS- for someone who pretends to Unix Guru status, you seem to not have a clue on how to build a website that an XWindows browser can load properly.

Robert Brandtjen,

You are your own rebuttal.

#133 John-Paul Pagano-

phhhtt

Now that I thinnk about it, your ramblings are those of an individual who is tetering on suicide- depressed that his life doesn't match his false expectations. In which case, you should move on perhaps you'll have better luck in your next life.