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On Being Borked

Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 10:01:23 pm PDT

Daniel Pipes answers his dishonest and/or deluded critics: On Being Borked: How foes distorted my record.

As Winston Churchill famously said: “You have enemies ? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.”

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1 bull  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 8:07:45pm

Watch the Seeth-O-Meter rise as he takes his recess appointment. Screw CAIR and all the other apologists.

Speaking of which, Charles, how about a Seeth-O-Meter feature for the site???

2 SoCalJustice  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 8:10:39pm

CAIR-tastic!

3 KevinV  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 8:16:16pm

I did some legal research today into the US Institute for Peace and found a very badly written law establishing a very lame body. This should tell you everything you need to know about the law's authors and its content: it is written to honor Jeanette Rankin.

(If you don't know who she is, she was the only Member of Congress to vote against declaring war on Imperial Japan after Pearl Harbor. Pacifists/leftists fetishize this vote as evidence of "bravery" of a lone standard bearer for "peace," instead of what it really was: a lunatic vote to not fight back against an enemy determined to wipe her country from the face of the earth)

However, someone like Daniel Pipes can use such a position to publicize what it will take for us to achieve "peace", and the people who blocked his nomination just gave him that much more visibility.

From this essay, it looks like Pipes is determined to fight on, and that is very, very good for the good guys.

4 Adam1  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 8:36:31pm

I liked Daniel Pipe's mention of Muslim victims of Islamist totalitarianism. Those who portray him as anti-Muslim wish to obscure the slavery, the honor killings of little girls for having been sexually abused, and the extreme oppression within the Muslim world. It is the victims of Islamist evil that the Left has abandoned so shamefully by calling racist anyone who criticizes Radical Islam.

5 Joe  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 8:39:51pm

OT - want to get your blood boiling? Read this column from the Toronto Star's resident moron, Antonia Zerbasias, in a so-called 'media' column:

[Link: www.thestar.com...]

6 someone  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 8:39:54pm

But, but, everyone said Bush wasn't actually going to appoint him!

Bah.

7 Geepers  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 9:28:59pm

someone (#6),

But, but, everyone said Bush wasn't actually going to appoint him!

You remember that too?

I remember a lot more than that. I'm considering making a "crow file" for all the declarations that have been made about Bush wimping out "this time."

Or is it wrong to rub peoples noses in their ill-founded condemnations of Bush's inaction?

8 Homer  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 9:47:59pm

I have heard stories that Pipes is a discredited academic who failed to attain tenure as his papers were deemed to be horrible. Granted some fool just claimed this on tv once, but is there any merit to that? Anyone have more detailed info??

[Link: sameold.blogspot.com...]

9 Mr Pol  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 10:29:10pm
10 someone  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 10:29:41pm

Incidentally, and way OT, I've been wondering why this excellent blog hasn't been linked more widely. Hardheaded analysis of the ongoing war; as interesting as Den Beste or Sensing if not more.

(No, I'm not the author, and in fact have no idea who the author is.)

11 Spiny Norman  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 10:51:23pm

#5 Joe

OT - want to get your blood boiling? Read this column from the Toronto Star's resident moron, Antonia Zerbasias, in a so-called 'media' column:

Oh, you mean our bestest friend Antonia Z.? Ahh, you shouldn't have. She actually had the cajones to show up here and try to "put us in our place". (How dare we criticize our betters!)

12 Sean II  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 11:18:12pm

OT: Great site for Israeli Special Forces, loads of info, pictures and videos...

13 wowbanger the infinitly prolonged (soft jazz)  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 11:25:37pm

#5 joe

Thx fot the article,i needed an adrenaline-boost to start my day.

Quote:"Those of us who toil in the media criticism mire"

Aaaah they consider themselves as being stuck in a quakmire,my hart bleeds

Quote:"Now here's a surprise: The mainstream media have largely ignored the book, just like they did Michael Moore's still best-selling Stupid White Men. "

Alternative interpretation:Both books are shite

Quote:"This includes some of the truths you didn't see those CNN anchors cheering about the blood and the guts and the disembowelled victims"

WTF This man must have been watching CNN while on drugs or something.

14 wowbanger the infinitly prolonged (soft jazz)  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 11:29:18pm

Sorry:

WTF This WOMAN must have been watching CNN while on drugs or something.

Must remember prayer
Must remember prayer

15 zulubaby  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 11:46:57pm

Charles posted about Antonia Zerbisias earlier this year. Be sure to read her charming comments from a previous thread, which Charles has linked to in his post. She writes like a three-year old. Mentality-wise anyway.

16 Evan  Tue, Aug 26, 2003 11:48:44pm

OT - A request

Guys, does anyone know about a guy called Naeim Giladi? He was mentioned by a professor of mine, as an anti-Zionist Jew from Iraq who knows the "truth" behind the Iraqi Jewish influx into Israel.

I've tried googling Naeim Giladi, but all that comes up are hate sites.

Is anyone able to shed a little light?

17 Sean II  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 12:04:31am
18 Francis W. Porretto  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 12:08:41am

The Churchill quote is terrifically important. Far too many people have acquiesced to far too much evil, out of fear of nothing worse than being called a nasty name by people they ought to despise.

Dr. Pipes is not one such.

19 Colt  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 12:38:22am

OT THOUSANDS OF SAUDI AND ARAB JIHADIS ARE IN IRAQ

Sa’ad al-Faqih, a UK-based Saudi dissident told the FT that the Saudi authorities are concerned that up to 3,000 Saudi men have gone "missing" in the kingdom in two months, although it is not clear how many have crossed into Iraq.
20 Evan  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 12:55:46am

17,

Yeah, I saw that. I just don't know what to make of it.

21 ploome  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 12:59:34am

interesting insight

[Link: belmontclub.blogspot.com...]

22 ploome  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 1:08:38am

sean 2 and Evan

It reads like an addendum to the Protocols

some fabricated person and a fabricated story

23 Evan  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 1:17:36am

ploome,

I hope so - here's the same article, but with a photo of our Mr. Giladi: [Link: www.bintjbeil.com...]

24 William  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 2:33:14am

OT, but not good for the LLL (as if they cared):


The Herald Sun
August 27, 2003

Bali bomber thanks anti-war protesters

By Cindy Wockner in Denpasar

The man who helped mix the deadly one-tonne Bali nightclub bomb Sawad, alias Sardjiyo, yesterday said he wanted to thank the Australian people who had supported his cause during recent Australian anti-Gulf War protests.

And fellow bomb-mixer Abdul Ghoni urged Australians against forming friendly alliances with America.

The pronouncements of the two Bali bombing suspects came as they and the evidence against them was handed from Bali police to prosecutors.

"I want to thank the Australian people who supported our cause when they demonstrated against the policies of George Bush. Say thank you to all of them," Sawad said.

[Link: www.heraldsun.news.com.au...]

(Originally posted by Andjam in the Arafish thread.)
 

25 Microsoft delenda est  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 2:41:21am

#17 Sean II 8/27/2003 02:04AM PST

Naeim Giladi and "The Jews of Iraq" -- This sucker is a loon. Where would the Israelis get typhus in 1948? They didn't have bullets. And both typhus and dysentery are diseases of poor sanitation the first requiring lice, the second unhealthy water.

There are others like him, the late Israel Shahak being my favorite.

In one chapter Shahak offered "proof" that Israel alone started the 1948 war -- It seems that after the Egyptian Air Force bombed Tel Aviv, Ben Gurion shouted to his colleagues, (if I remember the quote word for word) "We should bomb their cities and see how they like it!"

To a Revisionist, that's proof, all the proof they need.

26 J.D.  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 2:46:20am
My political opponents - Islamists, Palestinian irredentists, the far left - cherry-pick through my record, then triumphantly brandish selectively-quoted snippets to malign me.

And - rightfully - in spite of it, they failed.

I've got this Churchill quote hanging up next to my computer.

"IF YOU'RE GOING THROUGH HELL, KEEP GOING."

27 Anant  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 2:47:54am

OT,

But there are two really good editorials about the bomb attacks in India at FrontPage. The second is pretty hillarious; it's a supposed letter from Shimon Peres to the government of India saying that the best way to deal with terror is to disarm completely.

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

28 TS  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 3:05:08am

OT
"U.S. Military Scorns Iraq's 'Miss-And-Run' Fighters" miss and run lol
"The enemy tactics are 'miss and run'," said Colonel James Hickey, whose brigade controls the restive area round Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s home town of Tikrit.
"But I tell you, if someone tries to come in through my front gate, they're going to get a face full of 25 mm (bullets) if I don't know who they are."
[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

29 TS  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 3:18:50am

"Israeli Troops Snatch Palestinian Gunmen"
"Israeli undercover forces snatched two wounded Palestinian gunmen from their West Bank hospital beds in a pre-dawn raid Tuesday, the latest Israeli military operation in the wake of a deadly bus bombing a week ago."
Wow
[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

30 SoCalJustice  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 4:04:34am

OT: Arab News strikes again.

Jewish Extremists Defile Al-Aqsa Compound

The article doesn't say anything about what Jewish "extremists" did, but just that a decision has been made to allow Jewish "extremists" to enter the compound.

“At a time when efforts are channeled to contain a security crisis and return to calm, the Israeli government is igniting the most sensitive issue in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict,” Abbas added.

A Judenrein Temple Mount is the most sensitive issue? So be it, you Holocaust denying puppet prick.

31 yasmin  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 4:09:07am

#7

I hope your right. I am one of those that is losing faith in Dubya. I am tired of the futzing around in Iraq with US blood spilling. I've been tired of Israeli blood spilling for a long time.
I am worried that all this futzing is buying time for the Moslems to be able to hold their own when the polticians finally get it..."diplomacy" doesn't work with the Moslem mindset, and we got to give them a serious shelacking.

Consider this: Speaking on "family values" an evangelical preacher said this, "Raise YOUR sons as the man YOU would marry," in speaking to women.

What does this say about the mindset of the Moslem world? When you look at how they raise their men.

With that statement in mind what does this say about the Jewish mindset. Jewish men are known to be one of the best husbands to be had.

What kind of midset raised, a person to say, "I hate you for killing my sons, but I hate you even more for making me kill yours." (Golda Meir)

It is crystal clear to me that on the table of triage, whom is worthy to save.

On this table of triage I see Dubya doing just the opposite. That's insanity. I hope I am wrong.

I say leave Iraq and let them cleanse this mindset amongst themselves by the civil war that would ensue.I say move onto the rest of the ME and continue concentrating of ripping the terrorist infrastructure apart. Before they are strong enough to give us a real fight.
I say Dubya should tell the UN to shut up and get your hands off of Israel, in fact he needs to tell the UN to pack up and leave the sovereign soil of the US. Dubya needs to stop entertaining Moslems in the White House and start entertaining the Israelis in at every turn in their fight against terrorism.
I say Dubya needs to call every seditious word toward the US by Moslems in the US under the "freedom of speech," as inciting against the Constitution of the United States an act of war, and kick them the hell out or lock them up.

What I see now is politically correct appeasement at the expense of US and Israeli blood flowing. This is not acceptable. This is what I see coming out of this administration and I don't like it. I will be happy to apologize to Dubya, if I am wrong.

32 AG in Houston  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 4:24:52am

Ploome

It's like reading the Benjamin Freedman confession.

33 Michael Glazer  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 4:30:22am

Mr. Pipes is a true American serviceman.

He is willing to go through the fire in his noble quest to serve the American public in its pursuit of peace.

I want to acknowledge and thank Mr. Pipes for being such an invaluable asset to the American people and I want him to know he has and does inspire many younger Americans to unfearfully tell the truth so the world can ba a safer place for us all.

Mr. Pipes is a great American in our time

34 AG in Houston  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 4:30:28am

Giladis testimony completely and utterly contradicts the reasons my mother's side of my family left Iraq (Baghdad to be exact) to Palestine in the early teens of the 20th century.

They left land.

They left business.

They left assets.

The reason was because of the persecution they perceived.

I wonder if this joker knew my uncle who is the same age as him.

What is it about the Jewish religion and Jewsh people that makes such hateful people spring up out of our midst?

WTF?

35 ak  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 4:44:02am

"What is it about the Jewish religion and Jewsh people that makes such hateful people spring up out of our midst?'

good question AG, but there remains no justifiable answer.

IMHO...it only makes us stronger.

36 SoCalJustice  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 4:47:46am

AG in Houston

What is it about the Jewish religion and Jewsh people that makes such hateful people spring up out of our midst?

Hatred of gefilte fish?

Seriously, every ethnicity/religion has its turncoats. It's hardly a Jewish thing.

Having said that, how can Uri Avnery feel good about the fact that Arab News salivates for his columns? Sick.

And I agree with AK - it makes us stronger.

37 SoCalJustice  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 4:51:46am

Speaking of the Arab News, unless I'm mistaken, their cartoon (time sensitive link) today is bordering on Zionist.

Is it me, or are they actually saying that Arafat is the Wall that's preventing the implementation of the road map?

38 ak  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 4:54:19am

36 SoCalJustice

Hatred of gefilte fish?

LOL...


who hates gefilte fish?

...not me!

39 Ariel  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 5:10:58am

SoCalJustice #36,

Ah, but for Sephardim, there is no gefilte fish to use as your scapegoat ;).

40 SoCalJustice  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 5:16:18am

38 ak:

I admit, I used to fear the gefilte. But that was mostly based on appearances, not taste.

___

39 Ariel:

Is it all the rice and legumes during Pesach, then?

41 Yair  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 5:24:24am

Kites rise highest against the wind -- not with it.
--Winston Churchill

42 Neo-Con  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 5:50:55am

I have heard stories that Pipes is a discredited academic who failed to attain tenure as his papers were deemed to be horrible. Granted some fool just claimed this on tv once, but is there any merit to that? Anyone have more detailed info??

I wouldn't doubt it. Our academic institutions demand you tow the party line, and Pipes obviously doesn't.

His papers were "Deemed too horrible" because arabs and their apologists consider him a "bigot" , "racist", "hateful", etc, etc.

It'a all crap. Let them seethe.

43 Yair  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 5:54:59am
Those who portray him as anti-Muslim wish to obscure the slavery, the honor killings of little girls for having been sexually abused, and the extreme oppression within the Muslim world.

So true. Here is yet another example:

Nigerian Woman Appeals Stoning Verdict

44 Ariel  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 6:06:51am

SoCalJustice #40,

Rice and legumes make Passover a good deal easier, let me assure you. You should try being Sephardic one year ;).

ak #38 - I hate gefilte fish. Sorry!

45 Michael Glazer  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 6:13:21am

Current world wide muslim contributions to humanity:

1.
Black African Slavery in Sudan for 20 years

2.
Subjugation, Oppression, and brutalization of women

3.
Institionalized child abuse

4.
Torture and murder of homosexuals

5.
Opppresion and murder of religious minorities

6.
White slavery in Saudi Arabia

7.
Organized worldwide terrorizing-murderous-savagery of all forms against all people including fellow muslims for 40 years

8.
Worldwide campaign to exterminate the Jews and the Jewish Homeland of Israel

Any others I left out?

46 Mr Pol  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 6:18:23am

#45 Michael Glazer

You forgot the attempts to wipe out all historical Hindu and Jewish sites... a number of genocides... creative use of chemical weapons against civilians... I'm forgetting some stuff, I'm sure.

47 Michael Glazer  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 6:20:18am

Mr Pol,

Thanks

If you think of any others drop me a line at
[Link: israpundit.com...]

48 SoCalJustice  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 6:23:30am

Ariel 44:

Rice and legumes make Passover a good deal easier, let me assure you.

I've always been jealous of that.

You should try being Sephardic one year ;).

If for no other reason than the snazzy keepoht. ;-).

49 J. Lichty  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 7:01:58am

My beagle who eats everything (he once ate a pound of butter -- wrappers and all) will not eat gifilte fish.

I actually like it, but a less discriminating stomach there is not in the world than my dog, so perhaps he is on to something.

50 Greg  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 7:24:00am

AG in Houston

What is it about the Jewish religion and Jewsh people that makes such hateful people spring up out of our midst?

I know we've beat this horse almost to death, but people sometimes internalize criticism. The fact that someone is criticizing you is not proof of shortcoming in you, but some people accept criticism as proof of shortcoming. The same phenomenon is seen with anti-American Americans and I'm sure all cultures produce it to a certain extent, especially if the culture is on the receiving end of a lot of criticism.

51 Big Digger  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 7:25:38am

Once again, I am ashamed that the fat slob, Chappaquidick Teddy Kennedy, is a senator from my state.

Not to mention the other Massachusets phony in the Senate.

52 Ariel  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 7:25:52am

SoCalJustice #48,

We have two kippot from Pakistan that are pretty cool. Actually, they're not really kippot, but hell, we use them that way. (And by we, I mean my parents.)

J Lichty #49 - Well, IMHO, gefilte fish is something I only eat if I have to be polite.

53 Ariel  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 7:29:44am

Big Digger #51 - You and me both! I wish Kennedy could be replaced with someone, anyone.

54 Big Digger  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 7:57:02am

#53 Ariel

Thank you. Unfortunately, the Kennedy stain permeates every nook and cranny here. He won't retire; he'll hang around as a Democratic version of Strom Thurmond for another 30 years.

The upside is that the vaunted next generation doesn't seem to have quite the same hold on the voters that Chappaquidick Ted has.

55 Michael Glazer  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 8:01:26am

Big Digger,

Didn't that fat slob kill a woman and get away with it?

56 Rick Z  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 8:01:58am

Bid Digger and Ariel:

Does the replacement candidate have to be alive? I can think of a few dead people with more active brains than Kerry or Kennedy!

57 Big Digger  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 8:17:21am

#55 Michael Glazer

Yes and that's why I (among others) refer to the fat slob as "Chappaquidick" Ted. It happened on a bridge to Chappaquidick Island on Marthas Vineyard, an island 10 kilometers off the coast of Cape Cod. He was drunk and driving with a woman, Mary Jo Kopechnie. He drove off the bridge into the water. He left her to die in the car, making no effort to save her, and didn't report the incident to the police for a good ten hours.

The clincher is that he was able to get the trial records sealed, much like a juvenile's record is sealed upon attaining the age of majority. When asked about it (which does not happen often these days) he stutters and mutters and can never say anything coherent. The idiotarians who vote for him time after time after time don't seem to think it's a big deal.

Sorry for the ramble but I hope it explains things.

58 Big Digger  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 8:20:30am

#56 Rick Z

Only a few? ;-) I think just about any deceased non-idiotarian has more active brain cells than Kerry or Kennedy.

Of course, that excludes the vast majority of Massachusetts voters.

59 Michael Glazer  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 8:24:11am

Big Digger,

"Mary Jo Kopechnie"

Who was she?

60 J.D.  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 8:28:54am

#59 [Link: www.who2.com...]

61 papertiger  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 8:30:57am

Mr. Pipes article has a convenient German and Polish translation

No French

I love this guy!

62 papertiger  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 8:31:41am

I haven't even read the article yet

and I love this guy!

63 Big Digger  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 9:01:23am

Thanks J.D.!

Michael, the only thing I can add to J.D.'s citation is that she was attending a party for former RFK campaign workers.

Mary Jo Kopechne

64 Ariel  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 9:23:54am

Big Digger,

I hear you. I'm a fellow CommonwealthCommunist State of MassachusettsTaxachusetts resident and it infuriates me to no end that the very worst (IMO) Senator comes from our state. Unfortunately, I'll be too young to run against him when he next comes up for election - not that I honestly think I'd have a chance, but at least it'd help me vent. And it might not be bad to have a race for Senate that has an opponent, unlike the '02 Kerry run for Senate.

65 Yankee Zionist  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 9:45:42am

I am a Masshole too.

I think Ted Kennedy is a bum.

66 Evan  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 10:01:02am

From the Gildai Article:

Mileshtin was quoted by the Israeli daily, Hadashot, in an article published August 13, 1993. The writer, Sarah Laybobis-Dar, interviewed a number of Israelis who had knowledge of the use of bacteriological weapons in the 1948 war. Mileshtin said bacteria was used to poison the wells of every village emptied of its Arab inhabitants.

I googled both IDF historian, "Mileshtin", and "Laybobis-Dar". I was presented with the self-same Giladi article. I doubt they even existed.

It's funny that he now lives in New York instead of the "mother country", Iraq. If he loved it so much, why didn't he go back?

And why does he still keep the name "Giladi" if that was the name he adopted as a young Zionist? Wouldn't he have re-adopted his old Arabic name?

67 Big Digger  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 10:06:31am

Ariel, Yankee Zionist

Thanks, it good to know I'm not alone. I'm a near lifelong resident of the People's Democratic (Dimmocratic ??) Republic of Taxachusetts.

Ariel, I think a Senator has to pretty bad to be worse than the ex-KKKer, Robert Byrd. I think that Teddy has done it. You know the old saying,

My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.
68 Rick Z  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 10:39:14am

I must thank all you Mass people for allowing me to reminisce about Ted, the summer of '69, and how we all watched Teddy boy do the Underwater Political Two-Step on national t.v. That really sunk his presidential aspirations. Too bad Mary Jo had to die for that to happen. The Mass Ass got away with murder that day.

# 65 Yankee Zionist:

I think Ted Kennedy is a bum.

And he has quite a large one now, too! I can see it now: "Just put the tray table down, Ted. Walk away from the buffet. NOW! Walk away from the buffet. Keep your hands raised and your mouth closed." That last one would be a real bitch for him, though, in more ways than one.

69 fred from AL  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 10:49:49am

#17 Sean II

It just has that certain ring to it, for example,

For the immigrants, bad cigarettes, even bad toothpaste.

I'm sure that's what I would remember after escaping from an Iraqi jail - the quality of the cigarettes and toothpaste.

Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket, those damned Ashkenazi gave me low quality toothpaste.

70 Ariel  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 10:54:49am

Big Digger #67,

My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.

LOL! I hadn't heard that before, being a relatively recent Mass resident.

71 Yankee Zionist  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 11:18:12am

RE: Ted Kennedy

A while back, I got into an argument with a friend of mine from Chicago who admired Ted Kennedy.

"Yeah, but would you let him drive your car?" I asked, thinking I had won the argument.

"Sure, if he was driving my ex-wife to the airport."

72 Evan  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 11:20:32am

re: my previous post.

Yeah, I found the name of one Uri Milstein, an Israeli military historian who claims that Israel soldiers poisoned the wells of depopulated Palestinian villages.

What to make of this? Crap, right?

73 Gryphon  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 12:15:51pm

#72 Evan:


Don't get too caught up in trying to reconcile the rantings of the revisionists with what you know to be Israel's historical character and behavior.

Have Jews committed atrocities? Unquestionably. But people like Giladi, Milstein, Avnery etc. aren't interested in context, which is why a Rense.com or RadioIslam or the National White People's Cracker Liberation Front pop woodies when they see the stuff these people put out.

The thing to keep your eye on is how Israel, and Jews in general, react to our own foibles. To shame Israel in front of the world, as these yobbos do, without taking aim at the MUCH worse crimes committed by the countries around her, is anti-Semitic, no matter how many disgusting Ben-Gurion quotes (or misquotes) they can produce.

Alan Dershowitz' new book, The Case For Israel, takes these characters on and exposes them for the self-hating, intellectually dishonest creeps they are. I recommend it heartily.

74 Michael Glazer  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 2:54:46pm

Gryphon,

Also from phyllis Chesler "The New Anti-Semitism" is a great read on the "Lefts" anti-semitism from a radical feminist's perspective

[Link: www.phyllis-chesler.com...]

75 Sean II  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 3:35:41pm

Do any of you Mass. (I am from the lttle socialist brother, RI) Listen to Jay Severin on 96.9 FM? I love to listen to him rip into Kennedy, and the politics of Mass. in general, specifically the English as a second language bit going on, overiiding what the majority of voted on.

76 Ariel  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 3:37:39pm

Sean II -

No, I'm hardly ever home. I can't believe that Kennedy's trying to get rid of that. I was very happy to vote to limit ESL and I was very happy that it passed. Just another reason to hate him.

77 Big Digger  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 7:02:44pm

#75 Sean II

I usually catch part of his show when I'm in the car. He carves the fat turkey well.

Being in RI, what's the latest on Patches Kennedy?

78 Evan  Wed, Aug 27, 2003 8:08:56pm

Gryphon,

Alan Dershowitz' new book, The Case For Israel, takes these characters on and exposes them for the self-hating, intellectually dishonest creeps they are. I recommend it heartily.

I have a copy of that very fine book. I like the way it is presented: each chapter being devoted to the debunking of a particular myth. It's also up-to-date, which is nice. Jeez, Dershowitz puts Chumpsky through the grinder. Those passages have to be read to be believed!

79 Schmerel  Thu, Aug 28, 2003 1:25:25pm

Anyone from St. Paul, Minn., here.

Here is a rant one of your news papers is printing about Daniel Pipes.


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