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Bush Country

Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 8:50:16 am PST

You’re invited to the launch of an LGF-designed web site for New York Post columnist John Podhoretz, to promote his new book Bush Country: How Dubya Became a Great President While Driving Liberals Insane. You can read a lengthy excerpt, and also listen to a section of the audio book.

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1 djspicerack  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 6:51:34am

hey, that's actually really well done - great job, I must say.

2 djspicerack  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 6:51:49am

well, not that I thought you wouldn't do a great job!

3 Kat  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 6:57:21am

This is very cool!
Slightly off topic, my fiance and I got up and left a Henry Rollins spoken word performance about a half hour in last night because it turned into a "Bash Bush" BS session. It was frelling unbelievable, but then, I felt *very* old looking around the room, and the kiddies did not seem dismayed by the fact that they had payed to be entertained, and instead were being spoon-fed Henry's political beliefs. Oh, well, that's the last of my money o'l HR will ever get.

4 William  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 6:58:24am

"How Dubya Became a Great President While Driving Liberals Insane"

Nice job on the site.

And a fitting title for the book.
 

5 Judith  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:00:17am

Very nice.

OT on the lighter side: In the category of guess who is sleeping on the couch tonight:
American woman caught "smuggling" "grenade" into Canada.

Will she ever speak to hre husband again?

6 Bubbaman  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:04:49am

The title says it all - the LLL hates Bush so much because he isn't an intellectual elitist (read Stalinist) like themselves.

7 V the K  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:05:19am

Hmmm... wouldn't "Bush Country" be a great name for a porno mag?


Just sayin'...

8 KevinV  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:10:37am

Charles, you get the best clients.

It really must be gratifying to you to know that real opinion-makers regard LGF as a must-read daily.

GOOD JOB!

9 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:11:09am

elegant site Charles..

outstanding actually

10 Tiz el Nabi  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:11:14am

Could someone explain to me where the name Dubya comes from.

11 Mike Silverman  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:13:46am

It's a play on words of Bush's middle initial... W

12 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:14:14am

#7

Drudge linked to NY Daily News story that Larry Flynt will run story that Bush pressured old girlfriend into an abortion.

Story loading way slow, so no quotes. But abortion doctor claiming GWB drove GF to clinic.

Always the chance the story is true, but I'm sure there is more than one doctor that makes his living off abortions willing to lie to save the big paychecks.

13 scaramouche  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:14:32am

#10

It's the Texas pronunciation of his middle initial.

14 grantman  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:14:37am

#10, Dubya is 'Texan' for the letter 'W' which separates GWB from GHWB, aka, Dad.

15 Plato  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:16:37am

Am I the only one who can't open it? I just get a white screen.

16 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:16:42am

OT, from Debka

Yemeni president Salah calls on Crown Prince Abdullah in Riyadh to complain about security wall Saudis are building along their border to keep terrorists out. Salah claims barrier loops round territory defined in the 2000 Yemen-Saudi border agreement as “common pasture”.


Mr. Abdullah, tear down this apartheid fence!

17 D2I  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:16:50am

Please go here and spam this idiot some more please. Thanks.

18 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:18:37am

15

It works for me on my high speed work connection. Has an Intro, obviously unfriendly to telephone connections.

19 Jeff B.  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:19:18am

I have to say, Charles, your team does wonderful web design work. Roger Simon's, LGF, and now Podhoretz's - they all have different raison d'etres and different modes of expression, but the aesthetic appeal and lucid organization...you can't BS that kind of stuff. Bravo. There's something about minimalist flash text that really works (cf Merde In France's similar productions, well worth checking out).


And of course I'm buying the book. Wish there was some way to make it clear I got to the site, and purchased the book, through the mediation of LGF, since you deserve some credit.

20 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:20:36am

Looks great. Can't wait to read the book, and I agree with #8, Charles-you have super cool clients.

I think Victor Davis Hanson should be your next client. That guy needs to be blogging, damnit.

21 Barking Pumpkin  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:21:21am

Congratulations Charles!
Not only is the site a classic example of understated elegance, it looks like the book will be interesting reading as well!

22 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:21:58am
Thus, to date, the John Kerry presidential candidacy to keep jobs in America has exported its campaign calls to Ontario, its sex scandal to Kenya, and the spousal ketchup to Middlesex. What's wrong with this picture? Nothing. Except Kerry's hostility to the global economy. Part of this is just the necessary image re-positioning of a politician who suffers from the disadvantage that hardly anything about him appears to be American-made. His education, for example, was outsourced to a Swiss finishing school. But the rest of it betrays an ignorance about how the world works.

More good Steyn stuff.

23 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:26:34am

Nice work, O Lizardoid Master.

OT: Two interesting nuggets via Andrew Sullivan.

First; how 'bout the irony of US scientists coming up with a possible new way to eliminate HIV latent infection using a derivative of... ricin?

And second; the Saddam slush fund fun* continues, with this article in that notorious right-wing neocon mouthpiece known as "The Guardian", about oil-for-food money flowing to the anti-sanctions, "anti-war", pro-Saddam campaigns of Messrs. Galloway and Dalyell.

Enjoy.

___________

* try saying this ten times fast: "Saddam slush fund fun"

24 NC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:29:25am

The site looks super. But I have to admit, that first quote about why Bush was "put on this earth" is creeping me out. Oh well, different strokes, etc.

25 SoCalJustice  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:33:12am

That's a really nice site, Charles. Great work, again.

(#23) OR

And second; the Saddam slush fund fun* continues, with this article in that notorious right-wing neocon mouthpiece known as "The Guardian", about oil-for-food money flowing to the anti-sanctions, "anti-war", pro-Saddam campaigns of Messrs. Galloway and Dalyell.

Hmm. Dalyell's accusations that Downing street was "unduly influenced" by a "cabal of Jewish advisors" is starting to make a bit more sense.

Those evil Jews were gonna take away his illegal oil kickbacks and expose him as a criminal traitor.

26 V the K  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:34:10am

On a rare serious note, "Bush Country is a dambed good looking site." I'm envious. My own web-spot is way overdue for a makeover, and this makes me wish I could afford Charles or Jeremy Yoder. (Sigh) Maybe when I'm richer.

27 Tamar  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:43:06am

The site design is wonderful Charles!

Congratulations!

28 pbird  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:43:44am

Congrats! Very Nice!

Great excerpt also. Can't wait to get my paws on the book.

29 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:44:28am
30 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:45:17am

Posted below at 11:36 eastern, and New Jersey addendum 6 minutes later. Well, 20 minutes after I posted, NWS Office PHL area raises a winter storm warning.

Snowing at RIC already (WWA for much of Virginia)

OK, latest 12Z GFS gives storm total precip of 0.45 inches (1.14 cm) liquid equivalent, or 4.5 to 5.4 inches of snow (11.4 to 13.7cm) at ISP (western Suffolk).

JFK gets 3.4 to 4.1 inches (8.9 to 10.4cm) of snow, FOK (the Hamptons) get 5.2 to 6.2 inches (13.2 to 15.85 cm).

The trend each model run is a bit more snow, so actually snow fall amounts could be higher.

So far, BOS, which has already been slammed by the Yankees in the A-Rod deal, also look cheated on snow, with snowfall at 1 inch (2.54 cm) or less, but it wouldn't blow my mind if they actually double that.

GFS still says just flurries in Bangor.

New Jersey Addendum
Oh, Atlantic City should get in excess of 6 inches if it stays all snow. Forecast surface temps with a northeast wind off the warm Atlantic get up 3C early, but 850 mb temps never get above 0C, so it'll be close!

Intellicast I-95 corridor radar loop.

31 Tamar  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:49:48am

Now, about that "book". Should we expect to encounter saffron-robed acolytes in airports chanting "Dubya, Dub, Dub, Yaaaaaaah"!?

The shredding of the U.S. Constitution and BofR's, while enriching the economies of China and Saudi Arabia are nothing to be proud of............if you are an American.

Being the single most successful promoter of Islam since Saladin ain't much to squeal about either!


But then there's Kerry........and Dean, Billary and the other cretins.

32 V the K  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:52:32am

Re: #31 --- Cue Moby soundtrack

33 observer  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:53:29am

1. Driving liberals insane may be useful and fun, but it's not enough to make W "great."

2. His WOT has produced some solid results, but his inability or unwillingness to understand the aims of Islam's jihad prevent him from becoming "great" in that arena.

3. As Andrew Sullivan, a W supporter pointed out, his grasp of the economy is weak.

4. His spinning about his tour with Air National Guard is not a sign of "greatness."

5. His unwillingness to deal with the Saudi involvement in 9-11 and their financial support of terror is not "great."

6. His inability to say that it was worthwhile to topple Saddam, WMDs or no WMDs, is not so "great."

I do not hate Bush. I'm not enthusiastic about the Demo candidates. But he is not (yet) a "great" president--if we call, for varying reasons, FDR, Truman, Teddy, Jefferson, Lincoln "great." Where's the "greatness?"
And unless Poddy is being sarcastic about about why W was put on this earth, he might be better off not going there. I'd like Poddy to tell me why Arafat was put on this earth, or Stalin, or the guy who kidnapped that little girl in Sarasota. If God has been talking to him, he ought to tell us. Jews could use some good news these days.

34 someone  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:54:13am

I de-installed Flash a long time ago.

Any way to access a non-Flash version?

35 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:54:56am

It's really great to see Charles' mission to to fight the good fight parley into paying customers.

Every now and then, usually after giving an impassioned defense of POTUS, I remember that a few scant years ago I had a Dubya dartboard in my cube. It always makes me feel a little sheepish. I wonder if Charles ever looks at his pre 9-11 posts about Bush and feels the same.

#20 WriterMom

I think Victor Davis Hanson should be your next client. That guy needs to be blogging, damnit.

WORD! (to my WriterMom ;-) )

#26 V the K

With content like that, who needs style?

36 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:58:08am

#31 Tamar:

The shredding of the U.S. Constitution and BofR's

Wow, so Bush shredded the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?! Oh, wait, the Bill of Rights actually is part of the... well, never mind. So, which parts of the non-Bill of Rights bit of the Constitution has Bush been shredding, that naughty boy?

37 Unmutual  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:58:09am

Bush IS a great President and a great man, but it is his superb foreign policy* that outweighs his spendthrift domestic policies.

He needs to stop the "entitlement" spending. Everyone knows that the money for social programs he spends is done in order to curry favor among Dems and the Dem voters.

Too bad that THEY HATE HIM ANYWAY, and no amount of capitulating to the left will get them to show an ounce of respect.

So cut it out GW.


*grading on the curve of course.

38 Sissy Willis  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:02:07am

An online book party . . . Very cool . . . Another opportunity to drive those "enlightened" liberals insane.

Who'd you say the stupid ones are? Part IV

39 scaramouche  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:02:11am

#35 papijoe

If we took a poll, I wonder how many LGFers would admit to being former lefties whose political orientation shifted drastically in the wake of 9/11? I was thinking recently how bereft I felt when the election was "stolen" from that "nice" Al Gore. Now I wonder "who was that person--she was utterly clueless". I also wonder where we'd be today had Al been at the helm, and then I grimace, shudder and thank G-d we never had to find out.

40 BJW  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:03:27am

Observer wrote:

3. As Andrew Sullivan, a W supporter pointed out, his grasp of the economy is weak.

Please explain.

41 The Real Travis  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:03:53am

#3 Kat

I've always thought Henry Rollins had the social and political understanding of an 18 year-old. I knew that even when I was 18. Problem is, he's 45. The first time I heard his poem "Family Man" I asked myself "What's wrong with having a garage well stocked with hardware?". Of course, Henry never answers.

42 Sissy Willis  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:04:29am

Whoops: Left off the on my previous posting:

Who'd you say the stupid ones are? Part IV

43 J.D.  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:04:36am

Good-looking site, Charles. Love those colors! I've been reading Podhoretz since 9/11. Should be pretty interesting.

44 FreakyBoy  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:06:14am

Good work Charles.

Whoa..."Man Eats 3 Cherry Pies in 10 Minutes" is in the Top Stories sidebar. Gotta go.

45 Sissy Willis  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:07:34am
46 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:09:05am

#39 scaramouche

I've always been curious about the demographics of LGF readers, geography, age, professions, gender...

Speaking of gender...

who was that person--she was utterly clueless

I always assumed you were a little silhouette-o of a man...still blushing.

47 V the K  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:09:47am

#26 V the K
With content like that, who needs style?

Aw, you're too kind (sort of... I thought I had a pretty good style considering my lack of training or graphic design talent)... but the profile page needs updating, and I don't even have an LGF link. (:-O) It's just tough to find time for a web update between job, kids, and a serious SimCity horse.

48 The Real Travis  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:10:38am

#7 Ed Moran

Larry Flynt trotted out the same tired old story in 2000. I remember six months or so before the election he was on a local radio show saying he had a bombshell that would tank the Bush campaign (shades of Kerry '04). It never went anywhere in 2000.

49 JeffF  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:22:08am

#39 scaramouche

I don't know if I'd call myself a former lefty, but I've definitely shifted towards the right, thanks to 9/11 & LGF. I was ambivalent towards the 2000 election, including the Florida mess, since I really didn't like either candidate. This go-round, a Kerry win truly scares me. I have noticed the number of former Clinton supporters here shifting to Bush.

Re Henry Rollins--I'll bet he makes Dean look mellow during his anti-Bush rants.

50 Gordon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:23:38am

Bush drives me insane, and I'm no liberal.

51 scaramouche  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:23:52am

#46 papijoe

I guess I could change it to scaramoucha, but I kind of enjoy my male nic. Didn't mean to make you blush.

52 observer  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:24:11am

#40, BJW

Check out "Attention Deficit," by Andrew Sullivan, TNR Online, 2/09/04.

53 V the K  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:27:10am

#37 JeffF: I've become very disillusioned with Bush because... well, let's face it, Bush is a liberal (but Kerry is an Ultra-liberal). I probably won't vote at all (and not because of Mobies like Tamar spreading dissent), but my main reason not to support Kerry right now has less to do with politics and more to do with the thought of how smug and obnoxious all those left-wing assols will be if Kerry wins. Gordo and Clintonista are obnoxious enough as it is. I think they'll be a hundred times worse if Bush is unelected.

54 scaramouche  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:28:22am

I love how Bush drives Liberals and Gordon insane. I'm still thinking of calling my new puppy (waiting for the next litter) "Dubya" to annoy my el cubo daddy-in-law.

55 Snakey  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:28:57am

Bombed Israeli bus to go on show
Bombed Bus Display

Hurrah for the Israelis

I sincerely hope they will be allowed to display Bus 19 right outside the courthouse in the Hague as reported.

Nothing like in your face evidence to make their point.

56 iowahawk  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:33:24am

Bush Country: How Dubya Became a Great President While Driving Liberals Insane

Well, to be fair, it was a very short drive.

57 Gordon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:34:03am

About the website:

Great style and presentation.

Shitty content.

58 Gordon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:35:09am

And the content isn't Charles' fault, it's Podhoretz and his absurd bootlicking hagiography.

But watch out Charles, that you don't become the Leni Riefenstahl of the 21st century! Great art presenting odious ideas.

59 scaramouche  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:35:40am

#56 iowahawk

LOL! Too true.

60 theDevil!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:38:04am

OT

Dressed in his combat fatigues and ribbons, he told Congress that U.S. soldiers had "raped, cut off ears, cut off heads … randomly shot at civilians … in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan." He later acknowledged that he did not witness the crimes himself but had heard about them from others.

The speech prompted the Nixon administration to open a file on Kerry, who was placed under FBI (news - web sites) surveillance. It also brought him lasting enmity among some Vietnam veterans who say Kerry broad-brushed them as a group of maladjusted, dysfunctional losers.

Paul Galanti learned of Kerry's speech while held captive inside North Vietnam's infamous "Hanoi Hilton" prison. The Navy pilot had been shot down in June 1966 and spent nearly seven years as a prisoner of war.

During torture sessions, he said, his captors cited the antiwar speeches as "an example of why we should cross over to [their] side."

"The Viet Cong didn't think they had to win the war on the battlefield," Galanti said, "because thanks to these protesters they were going to win it on the streets of San Francisco and Washington."

He says Kerry broke a covenant among servicemen never to make public criticisms that might jeopardize those still in battle or in the hands of the enemy.

Hanoi Kerry


He later acknowledged that he did not witness the crimes himself but had heard about them from others.

Yeah, I'm sure he did acknowledge his lie on page 6 or 7, probably on a thursday afternoon.

But of course our media treats him as an idealistic youth protesting a nasty war.

The disconnect from 'ordinary' American's grows more and more as the election approaches. The climax of disapointment when these loons lose will be galactic. And funny.

/Leftist's are going to hell !

61 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:38:30am
Bush drives me insane, and I'm no liberal.


ROTFLMAO!

62 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:38:49am

#54 scaramouche LOL!

63 observer  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:40:48am

#58, Gordon

Maybe Podhoretz is a Bush bootlicker, but the comparison to Riefenstahl's glorification of Nazi ideology. triumphalism, and racism is disgusting. There is no way around it: you are ignorant and stupid.

64 iowahawk  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:41:27am

Let's face it. Driving liberals insane is not exactly the Baja 1000.

65 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:41:48am

#58 Gordon.

Leni Riefenstahl was just a bimbo Nazi propagandist and not an artist. I think your 'warning' to Charles is disgusting.

66 RurouniKenshin  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:42:00am

#57 Gordon

You're really not very good at trolling.

67 lucretius  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:42:33am

Bush isn't "great". He is mediocre/slightly above average. He is horribly wreckless on the economy and decent on the gWOT. Pody should rename the book: Bush Country: How Dubya Became an okay President While Driving Liberals/Libertarians/ Real Conservatives Insane

68 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:43:04am

#47 V the K

Didn't mean to slight the graphics side. I do dig the "Recreation Van Fantasy Airbrush Art" look and feel. :-)

scaramouchetta

My bad. Serves me right for the Bohemian jokes

Make sure you ask El Cubo Daddy-o for the print copies of his favorite local mainstream media rag. When he starts getting that delirous look, as if your going back over to the dark side, explain you need it for papertraining li'l Dubya...

69 Anant  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:43:23am

9/11 didn't do anything to change my political stance. I knew about the dangers of Islamic terrorism long before 9/11, 'cause I'm a Hindu. I'm just glad that the West is finally waking up.

I disagree with Bush on economic policy, but my biggest problem with him is his handling of the war on terror. In my mind, the Saudis and Pakistanis bear direct responsibility for 9/11 (not to mention the fact that Pakistan proliferated nukes to anyone who could pay), but what do we do? We bomb Iraq. Now, I'm not denying that liberating Iraq was a great thing for the Iraqis and for us. But what disturbs be is the fact that Bush has so far been appeasing the very people (the Saudis and Pakistanis) who attacked us on 9/11.

The bottom line is, I don't trust Bush to defend the American people from the terrorists, because he has shown no willingness whatsoever to go after the world's two biggest sponsors of terrorism (Saudi Arabia and Pakistan).

70 JeffF  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:44:33am

#53 V the K

I'm basing my opinion on foreign policy/national security. Otherwise, I don't like Bush, but I feel like f.p. is too important right now. I've skipped the last few presidential elections because I just couldn't bring myself to vote for any candidate. I'm keeping an open mind on this one, but I don't excpect it to change.

71 gh  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:45:25am

Charles,

All those who would not allow ActiveX controls to run, see only a blank white screen.

Don’t you think that using an ActiveX control on a homepage is an unsound approach?!
Fortunately, an ActiveX control is not used on the LGF website.

72 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:45:30am
But watch out Charles, that you don't become the Leni Riefenstahl of the 21st century! Great art presenting odious ideas.

Hooray for Gordon with his subtle, yet effective Bush = Hitler camparison

73 V the K  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:45:48am

Observer, WriterMom, RurouniKenshin , with respect

Gordo derives gratification from people's responses to his obnoxious insults. DO NOT FEED GORDO'S ONANISM!

Thank you.

74 scaramouche  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:46:53am

#56 Gordon

If Charles is Leni, that means George is Adolph. Only someone who is woefully ignorant of history could level such a charge. May I suggest you crack open some history books, preferably not ones written by David Irving.

75 021704  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:47:34am

#31 Tamar

“Promoting” islam as the RoP is a strategy.

Look, the truth is, with their birth rate they’re GOING TO take over. The only successful strategy will be to civilize them first. Hooking them into a RoP self-image just might work.

BTW.... the Constitution is just doing just fine, thanks. Still intact.

#37 Unmutual

Cutting back on the entitlement programs HAS TO wait till the second term—or there would be no chance of a second term.

INCIDENTALLY... Did anybody else hear that the Netherlands just passed legislation to DEPORT 26,000 “rejected asylum seekers” who had set up shop despite their unwelcome?

76 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:47:43am

Darn, I thought I'd be first to demonstrate my superior knowledge of Triumph of the Will.

77 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:48:13am

#73 VtheK...

Gak! I was sucked in to the vortex of Gordon. You are right.

78 Cuchullain  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:48:14am

OT - I heard this on NPR this morning. Thought some might be interested.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

An artist in Cologne, Germany, is working to memorialize individual victims of the Nazis. He's embedding thousands of small concrete blocks, each topped by a brass plate, in sidewalks across the country. Each of these so-called "stumbling blocks" bears the name, and fate, of one person killed by Adolph Hitler's regime.

79 V the K  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:48:28am
Didn't mean to slight the graphics side. I do dig the "Recreation Van Fantasy Airbrush Art" look and feel. :-)

Whoa... that's not how I would have described it... but it describes the style perfectly! Brilliant!

80 Lively  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:49:32am

Great website.

Podhoretz has quite a resume.

81 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:49:43am

58 Gordon

*faint fluttering sound, growing fainter*

That would be the last of your credibility Gordon.

82 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:49:45am
83 SallyVee  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:52:19am

Oh Charles, beautiful design. I absolutely, positively, love OPTIMA above every other font. But only in book, not bold or italic. Just gorgeous.

IowaHawk: dazzling one-liners today.

84 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:52:20am

Re my 82

Although Leni has starred in and/or directed eleven full-length films — in addition to the present release of her twelfth film, Impressionen unter Wasser (her first film in almost half a century) — it is essentially because of only one film, Triumph des Willens, that she ultimately became castigated and accused of things that she never believed, let alone even considered, and even less ever took part in.


I'm glad to know she didn't make Nazi propaganda out of ideological conviction.

I assume she was very French then (ie, a whore) in that regard.

85 gymnast  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:52:28am

#69, Anant. If you are of an age, why don't you consider enlisting and lending a hand? It's part of the American heritage.

86 FreakyBoy  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:52:29am

Gordon = LGF's other Leni.

LGF's nut job neighbor....

87 Dean Douthat  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:52:50am

This looks like a good and enjoyable book to read.

I need something a bit different also. I have a relative who thinks Al Franken's book is the documentary to end all documentaries. Can anybody give me a URL that refutes the Franken (I assume) nonsense?

TIA

88 Doug in VA  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 8:56:47am

Great job, Charles

Who is this Henry Rollins, or do I not want to know?

#31 Tamar - A sweeping statement like Bush has shredded the Constitution, without any attempt to back it up, gets zero traction among the people on this website, except perhaps for Gordon. OTOH it does great job of making you look paranoid.

89 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:00:00am

#87 Dean
To my knowledge, there's not a single, definitive work that takes Al Franken to town, but there's articles in some magazines about him. Try the National Review. Specifically, look for Rich Lowry's archives because he and Wierd Al have gone toe-to-toe in the past. Also try James Hirsen at Newsmax. His stuff is archived as well. He's written some good critiques of Al Franken's stuff.

90 scaramouche  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:03:24am

#88 Doug in VA

Rollins is an angry, humourless, tattooed, working-class British yobbo musician who sings/orates angry hateful screeds in an effort to be a latter-day protest singer.

91 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:03:49am

#88 Doug in VA

Here's a link to Henry's site. In general, Henry Rollins (aka Henry Garfield) was the most famous (but not the original) singer of the L.A.-based '80's hardcore band Black Flag. For about 15 years or so since the Flag's demise he's fronted his own group, The Rollins Band. He also writes bad poetry. If you have children, ask them about Henry, they might be hip to him. ;)

92 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:04:19am

All,

An enlightening testimonial from a retired ANG Colonel who served with Bush in Texas when they were LTs. The Dhimmicrats really just need to shut up on this topic as well as a few National News Services (Hello! Wash Post!)

Bush and I were LTs

While most of America was sleeping and Mr. Kerry was playing antiwar games with Hanoi Jane Fonda, we were answering 3 a.m. scrambles for who knows what inbound threat over the Canadian subarctic, the cold North Atlantic and the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico. We were the pathfinders in showing that the Guard and Reserves could become reliable members of the first team in the total force, so proudly evidenced today in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Worth an entire read if you have the time...

93 FreakyBoy  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:04:42am

scaramouche:

Isn't Rollins from LA? Otherwise, spot on.

94 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:05:01am

Henry is not British.


He may be an LLL now, but "Damaged" (on SST records) may be one of the best teenage angst/TV watching/drinking albums ever.

95 RF  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:06:36am

Photos of Hizb'Allah Nazis doing the Hitler salute.

[Link: www.nicedoggie.net...]

96 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:06:59am


Black Flag Lyrics

Thirsty And Miserable Lyrics


thirsty and miserable. you drop to the floor. you drink til you can't even see anymore. thirsty and miserable, always wanting more. thirsty and miserable, always wanting more. my brother wants a ride to the liquor store. you pity him for what he wants it for. thirsty and miserable, always wanting more. thirsty and miserable, always wanting more. it's 1:30 and we're all getting nervous. the store closes at two. there's not enough to last us. thirsty and miserable, always wanting more. thirsty and miserable, always wanting more.



97 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:07:03am

#73, #79 V the K

Sorry, I usually ignore Gordon's more outrageous comments, but I felt like he really went beyond the pale. I formed the opinion at some point, that despite his wacky views, he was basically in goodwill. That comment tells me I've been sadly mistaken.

Just joshing about the site. I wish I had a buck for every time I aerosol-ed my monitor because of one of your posts. Don't ever change.

98 theDevil!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:08:20am

69

The bottom line is, I don't trust Bush to defend the American people from the terrorists, because he has shown no willingness whatsoever to go after the world's two biggest sponsors of terrorism (Saudi Arabia and Pakistan).

If we had an infinitely, omnipresent military we could win this with a frontal attack and simply kill all the muslims.

But the only way at present that we could do this would probably kill everyone too.

So, we go to Iraq and Afghanistan, and set up shop, replicating what we did in Japan and Germany. Both, unqualified successes, imho.

Iraq is going to work, I think. It will become a repository of a middle eastern brain drain, a black hole that will suck the very life out of the local despotic nightmares of Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Syria. It may quickly become even better than Turkey. These people are hungry for freedom!

If there were any media coverage whatsoever, we could get a better feel for it. But I have to think it's this way.

Bush is Bush. But I think history will bow down in absolute amazement at what he has done in the middle east. If it works.

Who can trust a politician, and at the same time think themselves intelligent or not gullible? But at the same time when I listen to Rumsfeld, or Cheney, or Bush, I ask myself what would they have to do to earn my respect?

And my answer is they've done it in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And until the church of socialism falls of its own weight, I can't blame the economy on them really.

/you're all going to hell ! Leftists are disillusioned liars!

99 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:08:55am

TV Party!


Saturday Night Live! Monday Night Football! The Jeffersons!

100 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:09:59am

#90 Scaramouche
OT, but Rollins is a Yankee, not a brit. He was from D.C., and hung-out with Ian Mackaye (Minor Threat, Fugazi) and that whole Dischord crowd before the Flag asked him to join on vocals, and he moved to L.A. ;)

101 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:12:36am

Gordon is a nasty piece of work who has recently taken to comparing those that he doesn't agree with to Nazis. An amoral piece of human garbage. Why Charles puts up with his insults is beyond me although I get the feeling Charles simply marks him absent, which is what we should all do.

102 Gordon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:12:44am

No, my analogy cannot be taken literally GW Bush is no Adolf. He's more like one of the bumbling conservative chancellors of the Weimar Republic that Adolf swept away, but that's neither here nor there.

But as for Leni, ask any film-making technician and he or she will tell you that Leni's film techniques which she used in Triumph of the Will and Olympia are stunningly good and have influenced film-makers ever since. That she used these techniquest to glorify abhorrent evil represents the most stark conundrum on the intersection of art with politics. The other great example of the phonomenon is the work of Sergei Eisenstein in Battleship Potemki and Alexander Nevsky, using brilliant film-making techniquest to glorify Stalinist Communism.

There are other, less chilling examples of this problem, from the operas of Richard Wagner to the films of Jane Fonda (ha, ha, that should get a little dander up here!).

But back to my point; Charles is wasting his considerable talents working on Podhoretz's website.

103 Doug in VA  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:13:06am

scaramouche & mickthemick - Thanks - I guess that's about all I need to know about him! My 21 year old daughter is more into Toby Keith than Henry Rollins, thankfully.

104 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:13:26am

Just having a nostalgia trip, the good old days living in San Francisco Bay (I slept just above sea level), seeing shows at "The Farm" on Potrero Hill, and the Mabuhay. I saw Henry play more than once.


He may be turning out to be an LLL nutbar, but you can't deny his contributions to music.


Or, maybe you can.

105 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:13:59am

papijoe (#81)

That would be the last of your credibility Gordon.

I didn't realize he had any to begin with.

106 Annelid[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:14:43am
107 Gordon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:15:07am

A few typos in #102 due to lack of preview.

Of course Zulubaby probably thinks the whole post was a typo...

108 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:15:37am

#99 Ed Moran:

Otto: "I can't believe I used to like these guys".

109 Gordon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:17:23am

Henry Rollins, before he was in Black Flag, was also the lead singer for Herman's Hermits (he was known as Herman Rollins back then). "Henry the Eighth I Am" was his attempt at autobiography.

110 Annelid[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:19:32am
111 FrekyBoy  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:20:24am

Ed:

Over twenty times the snows have come and gone since I saw Black Flag w/ the Circle Jerks.

Great show.

Of course, before HR switched to his "spoken tur(d)" format.

112 Doug in VA  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:20:29am

#106 annelid - Apparently I was the only person in the LGF kingdom that didn't know who Rollins was. Couldn't have anything to do with my age, no way, no how.

113 Ms. Andi  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:21:12am

I kinda liked Blag Flag when I was a youngin', though I was more into The Dead Kennedys.

Btw, the site looks nice, Charles.

114 Annelid[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:21:17am
115 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:23:03am

#112 Doug

Couldn't have anything to do with my age, no way, no how.

No worries, man. Like we said, Black Flag was an early-'80's hardcore punk band. Those of us who were down with Black Flag are not spring chickens any more, either. ;)

116 The Real Travis  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:23:37am

Real Henry Rollins story:

In 1981 (I was 18 BTW) I was at PooBah Records in Pasadena and Henry, the "newest" Black Flag singer and Greg Ginn come in. Henry runs over to a bin and pulls out the Ramones first record (issued 5 years earlier) and yells "Greg, they got the Ramones!" like he had just discovered them or something. All of us in the know just look at each other like "Who is this loser newbie?"

BTW, I always thought Keith Morris was the only good 'Flag singer. Way more clever and wry than any of his successors.

117 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:23:43am

#112 Doug in VA

Henry has also done some acting. Movie that comes to mind is 'Heat.' He was the security/bodyguard of Van Zant.

118 Lewis Can't Lose  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:25:29am

Heh. I saw Black Flag live in '85. Some asshole loosened a tooth for me in the mosh pit about 15 seconds after I got there.

Hey, at least I've got a root canal to remember it by!

119 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:26:17am

#109 Gordon:

You were kidding about that Herman's Hermits stuff, weren't you?

[Link: www.allmusic.com...]

120 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:26:46am

Most of the groups I listen to normally stay apolitical, at least in their music. i.e. they don't use their lyrics as a political forum.

The one exception is of course this song!!!!!

I've seen this Rollins guy televised, more show than thought. (can I compare him to Viggo Mortenson Perhaps?!)

121 Y'ua abu The Editor  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:28:30am

Charles:

One quibble: The opening screen misspells millennium. Otherwise, great site! Terrific job.

122 The Real Travis  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:29:50am

Any other former El Cubo LA Punks from the '79-81 era here at LGF? Remember the Starwood, the Fleetwood and the Vex? Ah, those were the days.

Ed Moran: Compare and contrast Rollins' lyrics to Darby Crash and tell me who really had the talent.

123 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:30:27am

One thing about Rollins though. His stage presence is awesome.

124 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:31:10am

#113 Ms. Andi
#115 mickthemick

*peering through bifocals*

Back when I was cool, we didn't have mp3s, and good music was only on college radio (wheezes and hawks) and we liked it that way! You'd go to a club and pogo up and down, and you weren't even startin' to have fun unless you got beat up by the bouncers. And don't get me goin about real stage diving...

Mission of Burma, baby...

125 K1, P2  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:32:37am

Very impressive, Charles!

OT: Can anyone tell me if aihs is a good site?
Thinking about sending a gift basket to the family my daughter worked for as a nanny. I assume it is, b/c people here link to it, in a good way.

126 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:33:09am

Gee, anybody want to hear about the time I saw Emerson, Lake and Palmer with Yes as the opening band? At the Chicago Auditorium?

I didn't think so.

127 Athos  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:34:57am

#102 Gordo

He's more like one of the bumbling conservative chancellors of the Weimar Republic that Adolf swept away, but that's neither here nor there.

Gordo - Your idiocy and lack of historical knowledge has no bounds. It's like your earlier claim that you aren't a liberal. No basis except to promote your agenda of ABB.

You are morally and intellectually bankrupt.

I think Charles can decide who to support, and whose web sites to build quite well without your whinging.

What a putz you are.

128 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:35:04am

altzheimers or amoral POS?

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

129 Solomon X  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:36:08am

A real shocker, the newest #1 leading story from AP:

Kerry Criticizes Bush During Wis. Campaign

Kerry told AEJ members at a rally Tuesday morning that Bush had not been an advocate for the firefighters, police and other emergency workers with whom he stood and mourned after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
"I'm tired of these politicians who show up when the bagpipes are waving and the flags are at half-staff and they talk about heroes in America," Kerry said. "And then they go back to Washington, and when the flags are at full staff again and the bagpipes have stopped playing, they forget."
Kerry also said: "This is not a conservative Republican administration, this is an extreme radical administration. And we need to replace them with common sense and with fundamental American values."
In a statement released by the campaign, Kerry criticized Bush on a different front — for not keeping his promises to men and women in the military. He pledged to improve their health care, housing, pay and equipment.

Can someone slap this guy around please? What an pandering assh0le!!

130 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:36:35am

Athos

all Gordo wants is a response

all he wants is attention, to push buttons

he doesnt care what he babbles to get it

131 Athos  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:36:54am

#109

Actually, Gordo, it's good for printing, then using it to wipe ones arse with.

Otherwise, it's not worth much.

132 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:37:59am

#124 papijoe

Mission of Burma, baby...

"That's When I Reach For My Revolver...that's when it all gets blown away"

133 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:38:18am

So we have Gordon saying:

But watch out Charles, that you don't become the Leni Riefenstahl of the 21st century! Great art presenting odious ideas.

Then backpeddling--sort of--with:

No, my analogy cannot be taken literally GW Bush is no Adolf.

[Followed by gratuitous lecture which assumes none of us has ever heard of Riefenstahl or Eisenstein]

So, Gordon; good to know that Bush isn't Hitler and all, glad we got that out of the way (sort of), but then what were the "odious" ideas to which you were referring?

134 Anant  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:38:55am

#85 gymnast

I'm not sure what your point is - are you suggesting that only those who have served in the military have a right to comment on our foreign policy?

Anyway, if I thought that the best way for me to serve my country was to join the Army (and assuming they'd take an overweight 23-year-old programmer), then that's what I'd do. But my opinion, with which others may not agree, is that our problem right now is not a lack of manpower, but rather how that manpower is used. Hence I don't think that me joining up would do anyone any good. I think I'm making a much greater contribution to the US by paying (a metric shitload) of taxes and doing charity work than I could as a soldier.

135 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:39:42am

123 Right Wing Conspirator

LMAO

oy

136 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:41:28am

papijoe

"Thats when I reach for my revolver....."

137 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:43:11am

#123 RWC,

Leave it up to you to find some relevant footage of the topic....I won't ask how you found that?

#126 andtheblammo,

YES, I would, I used to be a big YES fan when I was a teen and my older brothers used to be into ELP...but that's before I got into my English Post Punk phase. Steve Howe is a very versitile guitarist, but he's no poster boy...

You in Chicago?

138 Doug in VA  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:43:58am

#128 ploome - It doesn't really matter which (not being a root causes kind of guy). He'd rather have the mass graves continue to fill than have any western countries succeed. This Episcopal head is hung in shame over the likes of him and the Archbishop of Canterbury.

139 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:45:22am

#128 ploome--from your link: note the irony. Bishop Tutu demands to know:

Who makes the decision about which regimes should be changed? And what authority do they (Bush and Blair) have to do whatever they may think is right?

Then the article goes on to note:

Tutu was the recipient of the 1984 Nobel Peace Prize for his role as a unifying leader in the campaign to resolve the problem of apartheid in South Africa.

Of course, that campaign was accompanied by action among Western pressure groups to economically isolate South Africa in order to bring down apartheid. Hey, Desmond, "who makes the decision about which regimes should be changed?" I assume that twenty years ago you were adamantly denouncing outside interference in the sovereignty of the apartheid regime, right?

140 Athos  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:46:40am

#138 Doug

I am in full agreement with you. I joined the Episcopal Church when I left Canada, and now, I believe that it, and the Anglican Church has left me with its insanity. Between Spong, Tutu, Robinson, and the Archbishop - it's being led by the enemy.

141 Baldy  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:47:24am

Some comments are "spilling over" on this Bush Country lgf page:
#38
#42
#120

142 the continental  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:47:39am

Typo in the Bush Country flash intro. I'd fix it before I started promoting anything...

Milennium = Millennium.

143 HULUGU  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:49:01am

speaking of books--a three hour in depth interview with VICTOR DAVIS HANSON on book tv--cspan 2 on march 7th--12 noon est--a must see for all

144 021704  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:49:13am

#112 Doug in VA

No, you weren’t the only one.

145 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:49:36am

Tutu is a disgusting racist, he's always been that way.

146 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:49:56am

#128 ploome
IMO, Tutu is neither amoral, nor is he a POS. He's just nostalgic!

Tutu was the recipient of the 1984 Nobel Peace Prize for his role as a unifying leader in the campaign to resolve the problem of apartheid in South Africa.

See, now that apartheid is gone, Tutu is about as hip as those white t-shirts with the big block letters that read "Frankie Say Relax". Since he hasn't been relevant in about 12 years he needs to get his name back in the news. Instead of showing some skin in a halftime show, he took the easy way out and jumped on the anti-Bush bandwagon.

147 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:50:00am

#139 Occas Reader,

Anxiously awaiting ZuLUBaby's POV opinion on Bishop Tutu.

Let's see, 20 years ago, would make ZuBaby about....a Baby? (I'm guessing about 6 years old in 1984)

148 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:50:25am

138 Doug in VA

stupidity knows no religion

they are all over

:-(

149 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:50:28am

#121 Y'ua abu The Editor --

Good catch. Indeed, "millennium" is misspelled.

150 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:51:03am

#137 John Gibbon:

Born on the South Side, under a bad sign, with a black-cat bone...........Live in the Far West suburbs now, but just can't seem to move out of the Circle of Edible Pizza, which peters out around Joliet....

The ELP/Yes concert was the first date for my wife and me. 1972. Egad.

151 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:52:31am

mickthemick (#146)

IMO, Tutu is neither amoral, nor is he a POS.

He's both of those things, and worse.

152 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:52:55am

#147 John Gibbon--

Let me make it clear that I am not really condemning the campaign during the 80s & 90s to bring down apartheid! I'm only pointing out the hypocrisy of the left, who only remember to utter words like "sovereignty" when the US is removing a mass-murdering dictator.

153 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:52:58am

Baldy,

Define "Spilling over"?!

154 Ken  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:53:44am

This guy has figured out an accurate method of determining our next president......

Toga!!!!

155 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:56:56am

#152 Occasional Reader

Let me make it clear that I am not really condemning the campaign during the 80s & 90s to bring down apartheid! I'm only pointing out the hypocrisy of the left, who only remember to utter words like "sovereignty" when the US is removing a mass-murdering dictator.

...I would never assume differently. I got your POV the first time... :)

156 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:57:33am

Tutu is a massive piece of shit, an idiot and on the same level with another African crapmeister-Kofi Anan. He's kind of like the New York Times. If you agree with him, you're a LLL nutcase. If you are enraged by him then you are a normal human being.

157 Kelly  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:58:32am

Remember Terry Waite? He was the Brit that was held hostage in Lebanon by Hezbola some years ago and was freed because of the Arms for Hostage deal under the Regan administration.

Well he is back in Lebanon and he is wearing a Palestinian rag around his neck. It looks like he has learned nothing from his ordeal.

Terry wearing a rag

158 Doug also in Virginia  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 9:59:09am

#139 OR - Great point. He'd never admit to it, or even see it through his moral blinders, though.

#140 Athos - How did this come to be? Probably a book waiting to be written here.

#144 021704 - Whew!

#145 zulubaby - I hadn't thought of racism, but you're probably right that it's factoring into this assertion of his.

159 Doss  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:00:31am

Another former hardcore/punk fan here, though I never liked Black Flag or Henry.
#123 Right Wing Conspirator
And I thought that Michael Jackson had gone through a dramatic physical change.

160 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:03:51am

Too bad Nelson Mandela has turned into such an American hater in his old age.


Because the Special AKA Horn Section jams in Free Nelson Mandela!

I had a Fun Boy Three vinyl featuring Bananarama (Siobahn, Keren and Sarah!) back in the day. I wonder if it is in a Hefty bag in a closet in my Mom's house somewhere. I moved a lot back when I worked for President Reagan, and then I moved every summer to Midland or the Louisiana Oil patch or Bakersfield every summer in college, and Hefty bags were my preferred method of packing/moving.

161 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:04:47am

#157 Kelly

Stockholm Syndrome?

#159 Doss

Husker Du?

162 V the K  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:07:57am

Re: Rollins. Why is it the pretty ones are always so bloody daft.

163 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:07:59am

OT

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhahahahah

164 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:09:40am

Ed,

speaking of Bananarama, I actually heard a Thompson Twins song the other day,....egad!

Not that I was a fan of them anyway...but the bubbly synth pop sound do bring back memories....BAAD memories....

165 quark2  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:10:12am

@101 Gordon

Since you're so wise and know so much, why don't you run for the office of president?

And the fact that you would give any glory or credit to the work of someone like Leni tells you have no moral value.
The means always justtify the end as far as you are concerned.

I wish you would just stop posting here, all you do is sling shit and stir in a mixture of evil and amoral crap.
Your stench reaches across the nether of the internet polluting the very air of everyone who posts here.

166 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:10:31am

#163 zut alors...that is so French:

"Among France's top concerns is the welfare of about 2,000 French citizens who live in Haiti, mostly the capital, officials in Paris said."

Who cares about ze natives as long as our Francophonies are alright, oui?

167 Black_Flag  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:10:32am

you called?

168 Baldy  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:10:54am

#153 John Gibbon - Some of the posts need to shop in the "husky" boys department at Sears.

169 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:11:03am

It's gorgeous. Solid work, Charles.
I especially like the clean spareness-not to mention the effect of the book design being the site motif, with the book cover echoing the site. It's pretty!

170 Athos  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:11:28am

#158 Doug - Could be. Hadn't thought of that as a possible topic. Was working on something else.

Thanks for the idea.

171 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:11:39am

#163 ploome:

The ol' Quagmire-o-meter just pegged into the red...

172 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:12:52am

#160 Ed Moran abu Snow in NYC

Bangles?

Bongos?

Oingo-boingo?

173 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:13:23am

#162 V the K: Good god, man, we need to work on your definitions. This is "pretty". This is not.

174 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:13:34am

#163 & #166
The French will handle Haiti with same degree of professionalism, sense of urgency, and duty to humanity that they used in the Ivory Coast. Which is to say, God help the Haitians.......

175 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:14:16am

Damn it people. If this is true, I would love for someone to explain to me why this POS should be our next President.

KERRY IS "NO HERO," SAYS FORMER POW

Benge claims to "have friends" who have supplied him with evidence indicating that during the debate on POWs/MIAs in the early 1990s, a Kerry operative told Vietnamese officials that if Hanoi could present a plausible account for the fate of U.S. POWs/MIAs, Kerry's aides would "sell it" in Washington.

Following Kerry's blunting of the POW/MIA issue, U.S.
investments began to flow into Vietnam, including a
$905 million contract to develop a deep-sea port at
Vung Tau, won by Colliers International, a corporation whose Chief Executive is Kerry's cousin, according to Benge and other reports.

Kerry is also associated with getting firms controlled
by Communist Chinese intelligence services and the
Peoples Liberation Army onto American stock exchanges, several sources have revealed.

Fu*k you John Kerry.

176 Athos  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:15:19am

#163 Ploome

Now the Haitians are really in trouble.....the French may be coming.

The interesting part will be to see if they wait for UN approval, or use the Grenada / direct threat rationale.

The other interesting effort would be to see if the deployment is to prop up Aristide.

177 V the K  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:16:21am

#163 Ploome (but actually meant for Gordo, Clintonista, and the rest of the Lonnie Barbach fan club)

Gee... wasn't Haiti one of the towering diplomatic triumphs of the Clinton Administration?... along with the treaty with North Korea that assured the world that the Norks would never, ever, ... cross our hearts and hope to die pinky swear... develop nuclear weapons?

178 SoCalJustice  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:17:22am

OT

Semi-stunning: the Sorbonne conferred an honorary doctorate upon Israeli President Moshe Katsav.

Photo 1

Photo 2

I can't see Oxford doing the same thing.

179 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:17:44am

#168 Baldy,

Hey, I'm trying here, but I still don't get what you are trying to say...

Some of the posts need to shop in the "husky" boys department at Sears.

Are you saying that my post was way OT?

Too Lengthy?

Not trying to start and argument, but I always listen to criticism, at least once. For self improvement, you know?

180 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:19:25am
181 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:19:57am

#175 RWC He ain't 'Hanoi Kerry' for nothing! I've been reading more stuff about him lately. He's notorious for doing an end-around vis-a-vis U.S. foreing policy. If I can find the link, I'll share with you another article I read earlier today about him getting all warm & fuzzy with Danny Ortega 20 years ago when the U.S. was backing opposition to the Sandinistas. I can't imagine what Kerry will do if he becomes president. God help us all, we'll be kowtowing to King Kofi.

182 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:20:39am

#179 John Gibbon

Don't worry. I am trying to understand what 'spilling over' means also.

183 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:21:56am

#181 mickthemick

Thanks. I'd like to see that.

184 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:22:01am

#179 John Gibbon

I think Baldy was pointing out the rather long URL pasted into the post, rather than using the link button. I could be wrong... And, you were not the only one.

185 Athos  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:22:14am

#181 mickthemick

JF Kerry is even further to the left than Teddy Kennedy. None of this should be a major surprise given all that he has said and done since he petitioned for an early release from his Tour of Duty.

186 Doss  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:23:04am

#161 papijoe
I had one of their albums, but they weren't one of my favorites. I liked Dead Kennedys, Circle Jerks, Bad Brains, ...

187 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:23:20am

France, the counterweight to America

bwaaahahahahahahah

188 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:23:20am

Suggested visual aid for definition of "spilling over".

Just trying to help.

189 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:23:35am

#175 Right Wing Conspirator 2/17/2004 12:14PM PST

Hey RWC, if this is true, then having the Herman Munster faced kerryman as our next POTUS is more scary then listening to a Thompson Twins song.

Where's Senator McCain when you need him?

190 Kustie the Klown  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:24:14am

OT (sort of):

I am having an argument elsewhere with an LLL about the bogus Bush/AWOL thing, and i read last week somewhere that the paystubs and other records released by Bush last week had already been available for years on the web, at somebody's website.

I can't locate the link anywhere (when i need it most!). Do any of you fellow lizardoids know what i'm talking about, and can anymore help me PLEASE!

Sorry to be such a loser, i really need to shove this guy's BS right back at him in a big way.

Thanks in advance.

191 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:24:19am

#177 V the K:

Not to mention the Somalia triumph.....PS have you seen this one:

[Link: www.rathergood.com...]

Some of the more lefty postings on this site bring these guys to mind.

192 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:24:44am

#188 Occasional Reader

LOL

Suggested visual aid for definition of "spilling over".


...and then some.

193 V the K  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:25:12am

Occasional Reader, okay, point conceded, but you have to admit, for a middle-aged roacker he is in surprisingly good repair. He's still no Todd Harvey

194 gymnast  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:26:30am

#139, Anant. At your age, you still have plenty of time to get in shape and get in a little quality time living history up close. It's a real rush and it can become adictive. Seriously though, what prompted my post was that your argument was the flip side of one that I heard from a Kashmiri Muslim, ( 2 years older than you with about 8 years of US higher ed) about 15 years ago, suggesting that the USofA take up the fight against India and Israel because "If the Americans really believed in what they claimed they stood for they would see that it's the only right thing to do" I thought he was a fanatic nut case and condsidering where I was at the time, very dangerous. It is important that the USA select It's enemies very carefully on the basis of percieved threat, cost effectiveness, timelyness, and a host of other factors, that a bright guy like you could learn more about if you joined the team and became a player. In any case, I always enjoy your posts, and understand your perspective. Thats why I "rib" you.

195 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:26:38am

Occasional Reader (#188)

LOL! I anticipated something other than that!

196 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:26:43am

For those of you that can't get in because you don't have flash, here's where the flash redirects to after it ends.
Charles, aside from the typo in millennium, I'd suggest moving the "skip intro" link outside the flash animation-just use html. People without flash should be kept in mind, especially as Podhoretz is a conservative writer and thus his demographic is likely to be centered on an older age than the internet median. I'd guess they'd be less likely to have flash installed or feel comfortable installing it themselves. Talking out of my ass here somewhat, but several people have already expressed in the comments here that they can't get past it.
Or, I timed the flash, it's about 13-14 seconds long. Put in a

meta http-equiv="refresh" content="17; url=[Link: bush-country.com...]
197 Jeff S.  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:27:15am

160+ posts into the Podhoretz thread, I figure someone ought to link to his column in today's Post

198 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:27:54am

#188 LOL. His gut runneth over...

199 observer  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:27:57am

#163,ploome

As in any military encounter, French forces would be the underdog in Haiti. Who's going to bail them out?

Perhaps our Dept. of State can send the frogs a copy of one those "we urge restraint" messages they have ready for the Israelis.

200 Jeff S.  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:28:31am

*190+

201 Athos  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:29:16am

#190 Kustietheclown

Guard Records on President are Released

This is a link to the Washington Post story - on the right of page is a series of links to additional docs. Here is the link to the one on the pay stubs.

Pay Stubs and Records in PDF

202 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:29:39am

#188 Occas Reader,

With that photo we should have a "Guess how many donuts are in my tummy" game. I'll be conservative (no, really, I am) and guess 8, but two could have been cruellers.

Actually with that photo, he looks as if he had lost some weight. See what happens when you have to carry around a rifled weapon for a living, you lose weight!

203 V the K  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:31:58am

And then Blammo Dude, I don't know what the political leanings of the Rathergood.com are, but even if he's a flaming leftist, I hope he is well-compensated by those Quizno's subs people.

204 HULUGU  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:32:13am

noticed a new meme on this thread--el cubo for LLL--works for me

205 el Barto (abu kosher bacon)  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:32:18am

I wonder if hanoi Kerry et al will invite the UN to observe the election to make sure they are 'fair'.

206 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:33:05am

#190 Kustie,

Hey also use my first post here as ammunition

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=9878 #c0092

/sneaks away after accidentally overspillin' my URL Link

207 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:35:23am

#183 RightWingConspirator
Here's a link to a photo of Kerry shaking hands with Danny Ortega. For the life of me, I cannot find the article I read earlier today. But, Kerry did an end-around U.S. policy. He went back to D.C. to sell his "peace plan", and was told by the Reagan Admin. to FOAD. The U.S. kept the pressure on the Sandinistas, who were thrown out on their commie asses when free elections were held in Nicaragua.

208 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:36:11am

Kustie the Klown, send your friend to the ultimate final authority on the was Bush AWOL story, Bill Hobbs. Tell him/her to read every single post in the category and come back to you.

209 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:36:17am

#204 HULUGU

noticed a new meme on this thread--el cubo for LLL

me too, who coined that?

210 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:38:27am

Doing an lgf search shows that it only appears in this thread, so scaramouche invented el cubo!

211 cba  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:38:42am

#209 papijoe:

who coined [el cubo]?

scaramouche

212 cba  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:39:25am

Hi, ev! Ya beat me, but only 'cos I linked!
/whine

213 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:39:59am

HULUGU (#143)

three hour in depth interview with VICTOR DAVIS HANSON on book tv--cspan 2 on march 7th

Will you post a reminder closer to the time? I don't remember what happened an hour ago ...

214 Gordon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:40:20am

#140 Athos: You're missing the point: the point of the Episcopal Church is that its leaders express their opinion about God and man and our relationship, but as thinking adults (and children) we can consider those viewpoints, respect them, or thoughtfully reject them.

I assume you have joined a church where the pastor says "jump" and everyone shouts "how high," and if you say "why jump?" you are branded an apostate, condemned to hell's fires, and kicked out of the flock.

If that's your bag, go for it man...

215 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:40:38am

cba :-) at least I escaped a jinxing!

216 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:41:26am

#203 V the K:

I think he's making fun of Laibach, who purvey Eurotrash fasc-rock yearning for the good ol' Stalin days. I though you'd get a boot out of what the Viking Kittens morphed into. And how the hell rathergood sold Quizno's on that spot, I'll never know.

217 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:41:33am

#202 John Gibbon:

I'll be conservative (no, really, I am) and guess 8, but two could have been cruellers.

LOL. Being a former liberal, I'll liberally estimate a "baker's dozen" (plus the two cruellers).

I actually forced myself to watch Mr. Spillover's Bowling for Columbine the other night, as a form of penance or something. Anyone who has any doubt at all that Moore truly hates this country should actually see the movie (for free, on t.v., please don't pay for it). But I will thank Washington, DC gun control laws, though; if it weren't for them I'd have shot my television when at one point we were informed by the movie, "September 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his CIA training to attack America." See, the CIA trained OBL to hijack airliners and fly them into buildings. I mean, duh, everybody knows that. So it was really our fault.

218 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:41:52am

Man, you sure showed your ass on this thread, Gordon. Fo shizzle.

219 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:43:35am

andthenblammo!, V the K-am I the only one that gets nauseated by that crappy ad? I don't want to see ugly teeth in mangled mouths when I'm thinking about food! Ugh.

220 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:44:35am
221 V the K  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:46:05am
I don't want to see ugly teeth in mangled mouths when I'm thinking about food! Ugh.

Remind me not to take you to any truck stops in Kentucky.

222 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:46:50am

213 zulubaby 2/17/2004 12:39PM PST

Will you post a reminder closer to the time? I don't remember what happened an hour ago ...

...indicator of frequent use of alcohol, especially tequila!


/again, sneaks away from post...E&E style!

223 HULUGU  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:47:29am

#213 zb--will try sweetie but i will be on the slopes that week so i may not be blogging--btw was that you in the movie "memento" with the short term memory loss?--i forget :-]

224 RachelCorriePancakes  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:47:39am

When I stood next to Rollins at Club Pizazz in Philly back in '86 all I could remember noticing was how incredibly short he is - he defines the Napoleon complex. Black Flag was great no doubt, but I always thought the more raucous work of Husker Du held up better in the long run. And for my money the Bad Brains blew everyone away. I can't listen to Minor Threat anymore because it makes me want to go down to DC and beat that sanctimonious little straightedge prick MacKaye with a beer bottle.
OT: a guy who graduated from my HS, which is where I teach now, was one of the guys who captured Saddam Hussein. When our principal wanted to do something to honor his effort the members of our religious studies department went ballistic saying that it would be an inappropriate sanctioning of the immoral war. Ah Catholic school has come a long way.
One of the members of this department had no problem taking FIVE days off to protest the war and get arrested and in the paper and he papers his classroom walls with Mother Jones style propaganda and shows Noam Chomsky documentaries in his 'social justice' class.

225 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:48:12am
226 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:48:14am

#219 evariste:

Let's see, ugly teeth, mangled mouths, the rathergood guys are British......no, I can't pull the trigger on this one, I got into enough trouble with the Canadians last time, I'm leaving the Brits alone.

227 Gordon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:48:15am

#145 and #151 Zulubaby: O concise one, you have once again bestowed your fabulous wisdom upon us.

"Tutu is a disgusting racist, he's always been that way. "

with nary a word of explanation as to why this is true. Admittedly, his stupidity is on display re: his opposition to war in Iraq. But perhaps you can enlighten us to what in his past as a South African Anglican cleric, as an opponent to apartheid and as the head of the "Truth Commission," has led you to come to your august conclusion.

It appears that some on this site accept your august pronouncements as gospel, but I don't, and I suspect there are many other readers less loathsome than me who would benefit from some explanatory paragraphs emanating from your magic keyboarding fingers.

Sincerely,

Gordon

228 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:49:20am

219 evariste

I like whoever does rathergood.com

and you are right, those teeth are sickening

229 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:50:12am

#221 V the K

Remind me not to take you to any truck stops in Kentucky.

Clean up on monitor 12...

230 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:50:25am

Gordon's Asshole says what?

231 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:51:29am

RWC, aww!
Hey, that's a neat-looking chew toy, where'd you get it?

232 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:52:21am

#214 Gordon

I assume you have joined a church where the pastor says "jump" and everyone shouts "how high," and if you say "why jump?" you are branded an apostate, condemned to hell's fires, and kicked out of the flock.

Gordon, your post assumes that there is democracy in theological debate, and that's not necessarily true. Lots of Christians in this country are getting angry at the Episcopal church because they some of the clergy are making a mockery of traditional dogma, not to mention God's laws. The people do not like the fact that their pinko clergy are telling them it's OK to disobey some of God's laws despite what the Bible says to the contrary. Some people are thinking, what's next?

233 Athos  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:52:36am

#214 Gordo

Once again, you are completely off track.

No, I haven't joined a church that has a minister who acts as a DI.

Frankly, after watching and listening to Spong, Robinson, and others when I lived on the East Coast, they provided no evidence that they were attempting to interpret the Scripture - but re-write the Scripture to fit their political viewpoints. Their position is not to pass their beliefs onto to me, but help represent and teach God's to others.

How I worship is personal to me - but where I go, when I go, thought and interpretation is encouraged - along with the basic morals of right vs wrong. But that is something that you have little clue or or time for. After all, its the L cubes have little tolerance for those who disagree with them.

234 HULUGU  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:52:39am

#162--c'mon viking the k--henry rollins pretty?--he looks like the guy who killed the little girl in sarasota--all biceps and tats--the adonis of cell block d--get over the low rent bad boy look--you're too smart for that :-]

235 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:53:31am

#230 evariste:

"Gordon's Asshole"

That sounds something like Occam's Razor: whoever is disagreeing with Gordon is probably right.

236 SoCalJustice  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:55:05am

(#227) Gordon

Tutu condemns Israeli 'apartheid'

The archbishop attacked the political power of Jewish groups in the United States, saying: "People are scared in this country, to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful - very powerful. Well, so what?
"Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, and Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust," he said.

Comparing Israel and the Jewish Lobby to Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic and Idi Amin.

I realize this might not mean much to someone who compared Charles to Leni Riefenstahl, but...

237 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:56:00am

John Gibbon (#222)

You're giving me a bad reputation!

HULUGU (#223)

You get around, eh? ;-)

btw was that you in the movie "memento" with the short term memory loss?--i forget :-]

LOL, I don't remember seeing the movie ...

238 Athos  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:56:09am

#230 Evariste

I think that even Gordon's asshole is ashamed to be linked with Gordo at this point.

239 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:56:25am

#220 Rayra

Suha, Baby Doc Aristid..and all the other effluvia in Frawnce

maybe Alberto Pinto needs more customers

240 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:56:41am

#231 evariste

Petsmart. Got her 3 this weekend along with replacement squeekers. She would think she killed it until I either brought out another one or replaced the ones in the toy. She was going nuts with trying to get them all. (each of the legs has its own squeeker in it)

241 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:57:23am

zulubaby-

LOL, I don't remember seeing the movie ...

LOL!!

242 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:57:58am

evariste (#230)

Who cares?

243 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:58:18am

This Gordon guy is going to make ZuLuBaBy drink tequila on tuesday again! We can't make that happen! ZuBaby, DON"T do it...

...Actually, I think Gordon is, like, ZuLuBaBy's alter-ego. She can't stop herself from posting conflicting political statements. Kind of like the movie Sybil.

I think Gordon's going to become our next VFI!

I'm taking bets on how long he lasts?! Kind of like Arafish, but minor league...

244 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:58:36am

RWC, wow! It's even cooler than I thought. Definitely a good dog toy.

245 gymnast  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:58:40am

Gordon, look down to see where you are going to land. My estimate is that you're hanging by a thread and chewing on it for all you're worth. Perhaps you would like to start a pool on when your thread gives out since you seem to think you know what you're doing.

246 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:59:01am

Thank G-d evariste always gets me :-)

247 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:00:54am

:-) hey, you're a funny chick.

248 Greg  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:01:22am

I'm sorry, but Andrew Sullivan knows as much about economics as me, and that is not very much. Read around the blogosphere, some are getting angry at Sullivan's lack of retractions for obvious mistakes.

249 Gordon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:01:44am

#236 SoCalJustice: You've provided some additional evidence regarding the fact that Tutu is, at present at least, a deranged LLL.

But I'm still waiting to hear from Zulubaby, a person (I assume) who lived in the same country as the Archbishop during his earlier years. I'm curious what details she has to back up her claim that he has "always" been a disgusting racist.

250 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:02:42am
251 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:03:24am

#246 zulubaby

Tell them to stop picking on you. Here you go.

Maybe it will help with the halucinations. ;-)

252 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:04:12am

246 zulubaby 2/17/2004 12:59PM PST


Thank G-d evariste always gets me :-)

...And I got it also. I'm no spring chicken, you know!

(should I be admitting that?)

253 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:04:20am
254 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:07:08am
255 quark2  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:07:25am

@221 V the K

*LMAO!


evariste: hiya cutie! :)

256 steve miller  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:09:30am

FWIW, Gordon is NOT the same as VFI.

257 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:09:39am

Hi quark2! :-) How's M doing?

258 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:11:21am
259 observer  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:12:06am

Gordon = Gibberish

(Charles is in danger of becoming Bush's Leni...no, no, no, I meant Bush is a bumbling Weimar politician--BUT WHO? And if that's what he meant, why bring in Leni, who never used her great cinematic skills to glorify one of those bumblers...and so on. He knows not what he speaks of and he never steps back to look at what he's written. )

But then, neither does the BBC--in the piece on Tutu cited by SoCalJustice (#236) we find this delicious sentence opener:

"Speaking at a conference called Ending the Oppression in Boston, Archbishop Tutu told delegates..."

Are the Brahmins oppressing the Irish in Boston? Again? Call in the blue helmts! Does Chomsky know about this?

260 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:13:11am

# 251 Right Wing Conspirator

The parade link was hilarious. Lemme guess who the grand marshal was...Alice Cooper? Ted Kennedy?

261 gymnast  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:13:40am

#256, Steve Miller. He's working on it.

262 HULUGU  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:13:47am

#237-zb--yeah "i get around" like a beach boyi.e all over town--i am also a real cool head who makes lots of bread--and ..and..oh, wtf..i forgot what i wanted to say

263 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:15:14am

#260 papijoe

I would have to give that to Ted. Just make sure there are no bridges around.

264 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:17:07am

#254 Writermom (from the link)

Despite his wonderful acts in South Africa, Desmond Tutu has utilized his position to make anti-Semitic comments and wage a campaign against ‘human rights’ violations in Israel, whereas he has paid no attention to the slave trade in Sudan, honor killings in Jordan, lack of human rights in Saudi Arabia, and the Syrian occupation of Lebanon.”

Why should he pay any attention to any of these events? The rest of the world ignores them, why shouldn't the right reverend? After all, it's OK for non-whites to kill each other. Just ask Bill Clinton, African American Hall of Fame inductee, about all he did when the Rwandans were killing each other. Or ask Jesse Jackson about the inroads he's made in America's inner cities, where black gang members kill each other off for sport.

265 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:17:23am

#262 HULUGU

are you available?

I can put a 'good word' in

lol

266 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:18:01am

#262 HULUGU:

Just throw in an "oooooOOOOOOoooooOOO!" when you forget the rest of the words; worked for Brian Wilson.

267 Anant  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:18:32am

#194 gymnast:

"It is important that the USA select It's enemies very carefully on the basis of percieved threat, cost effectiveness, timelyness, and a host of other factors"

I totally agree with that statement. All I'm saying is that, based on what I have seen going on in the world, I believe we have made a mistake in the way we have directed our efforts so far. I'm very happy that the we toppled the governments in Iraq and Afghanistan, but to me it seems that we are ignoring the greater threat.

Here's sort of how I see it: during the cold war, we allied ourselves with some unsavory characters in order to deal with the main threat, which was the Soviet Union. And it worked. We won. But now it almost seems like we are doing the opposite. We seem to be ignoring the big threats (SA and Pakistan) to go after the smaller threats, like Iraq. It's like allying ourselves with the Soviets to take down Yugoslavia, or something like that. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Many people here have argued that Bush is aware of the threat from Pakistan and SA, and that he does plan to deal with them, and that the moves he has made so far are just the initial steps in an overall plan. If that were the case, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but it doesn't seem to me that he is aware of the problem, or that he has a plan to deal with it, and that is why I don't trust him on the national security front. He has 7 months to convince me otherwise :)

268 quark2  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:19:09am

@238 Athos

ROTHLMAO!

269 Gordon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:19:39am

#258 Zulubaby:

Thank you. You've answered my question; I apologize for my sarcasm. Anyone who has ever admired Winnie Mandela (stated in the FrontPage article) has more than a few ideological screws loose.

270 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:20:52am

Right Wing Conspirator (#251)

Hysterical!

271 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:20:59am

#253 Writermom
Actually, the headline from the Palestine Media Watch link was the best:

Desmond Tutu's comments on Israeli Apartheid ignored by US media

Awwww, poor Palestine Media Watch! I hope the US Media ignores everthing else that come's out of Reverend Dezzy's pie hole.....

272 sharona  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:21:02am

#253 & 254 WriterMom:

... and some more Tutu.

This is so OT, but I found that quote funnier than I'd like to admit. Why?

Anyone here seen the film "Hollywood Shuffle"? It's by the comedian Robert Townsend and it's about black actors trying to make it in Hollywood during the 80's. It plays out in a series of vignettes, each demonstrating the sorts of roles Hollywood deemed suitable for black actors & comedians.

Hollywood Shuffle (1987)

One of my favorite bits was where Townsend was playing a black Sam Spade, who visits a dance school in order to question a suspect (Jerry Curl).

Only the dance class is filled with men the size of linebackers. In tutus.

Townsend figures it should be a cinch, as "Can a man in a tutu kick my ass? I don't think so!" Needless to say he gets his butt kicked. Very funny movie, and sorry for the OT, but I couldn't help myself!

273 Doug in VA  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:23:17am

#266 andthenblammo! -- Be careful; you may summon the loveable troll ooooo.


#214 Gordon

I assume you have joined a church where the pastor says "jump" and everyone shouts "how high," and if you say "why jump?" you are branded an apostate, condemned to hell's fires, and kicked out of the flock.

That was a completely gratuitious, unfounded claim. Unlike VFI, I've never before felt the need to scratch any itch you've brought here, but that statement was way over the top - Athos was easy on you. What a jerk!

274 Gordon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:25:46am

#232 mickthemick, #233 Athos: Unlike you, I am quite happy with the "pinko" leaders of the Episcopal Church. But I would not have left the church if Robinson hadn't been confirmed as Bishop. And I certainly don't agree with many of the Archbishop of Canterbury's political views. I feel quite comfortable in a church where its leaders provide guidance based upon their long-time study of theology, but where I am free to consider that advice and reject it if I choose to do so.

When I first went to Episcopal confirmation class about 15 years ago (after not being religious before that) about half of the class, when introducing themselves, started out, "I was a Catholic, but when I got a divorce they didn't want me anymore." The Pope and his clergy are certainly free to be exclusive if they choose, but in my opinion it's a sad way to run a church.

275 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:25:52am

#263 RWC,

Speaking of Fat Ted, have you read this:

How determined is Kennedy to assure that Bush is not re-elected? On Monday, in Madison, Kennedy recalled a 1960 stunt in which, according to news reports, "he soared off a Wisconsin ski jump on a campaign dare." Noting a USA Today article from this year that said, "Kennedy, who's now 71 and heavier, isn't soaring off ski jumps anymore," Kennedy roared, "Well, I'll tell you, I'll sail off that ski jump one more time if we elect John Kerry president of the United States." The crowd roared, as Kennedy added, "Talk about being terrified!"

Fat Ted thinks about skiing

Havn't enough Kennedy's been killed on ski slopes?

276 quark2  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:25:55am

@257 evariste

M is home. And driving me crazy again. *lol
He has to go to the VA hospital tomorrow.

277 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:27:33am

ploome (#265)

LOL!! Making a shidech ... ?

278 HULUGU  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:27:37am

#265--plume de ma tante--i am available for weddings, bar mitzvahs and the occasional threeway;-]

279 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:29:46am

#272 sharona LOL. I'm thinking "Could a man, like tutu, be any more deserving of a total ass-kicking?"

280 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:31:09am
281 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:31:17am

Hulugu

lol

282 Charles  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:34:51am

Thanks to all who pointed out the "millennium" typo. By way of pitiful excuse, several very smart people looked at that intro many times and never noticed the typo. It's fixed now; you may need to clear your browser cache to see the change, though.

Also thanks to evariste for suggesting making the "Skip Intro" link plain old HTML. Good idea. (Although the percentage of people who don't have Flash installed is very small these days.)

By the way, for those who care about such things, I wanted to mention that the site is 100% validated HTML 4.01 transitional code.

283 Q  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:35:25am

#227:

Sincerely,

Gordon

Now there's an oxymoron.

284 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:35:47am

#274 Gordon

The Pope and his clergy are certainly free to be exclusive if they choose, but in my opinion it's a sad way to run a church.

Here again you're looking at Christianity as if it were a business that's receptible to the opinions of its customers. But that's not the way the Church works. FYI, I quit the Catholic church for similar reasons, but I still think the current Episcopal clergy are so LLL that what they are preaching is no longer Christianity, but rather some sort of ANSWER-style perversion of it. You can't just throw the rules of Christianity out the window because they make you feel bad.

285 HULUGU  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:35:58am

#277--uh oh--i'll 86 the threeways for serial monogomy--what is this lgf or jdate--ot-perhaps as a lithuanian you could take lithium for your memory loss--try saying a lithuaian on lithium three times fast--lol at my own jokes

286 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:39:34am
287 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:40:04am

I have a question-how do you do the small type when you quote someone else's posting? Mine look so big and amateurish.

And also the strikethrough-someone explained it not long ago but now I can't remember that either.

288 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:41:03am

Charles,

can you 'clear' Gordo, pleasepleaseplease?

289 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:41:18am

Charles (#282)

you may need to clear your browser cache to see the change, though.

Is there a way to clear Gordon too?

290 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:43:36am

#289 zulubaby:

Now if we can just get Gordo to start talking incessantly about globular clusters........

291 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:45:48am

#280 Rayra

Somebody must have told them the Marines are due to replace the 82nd in a couple weeks

And this time they have frisbees!

292 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:46:51am

#275 John Gibbon

Wow. I actually agree with Ted Kennedy on something.

"Well, I'll tell you, I'll sail off that ski jump one more time if we elect John Kerry president of the United States." The crowd roared, as Kennedy added, "Talk about being terrified!"

I know I'll be terrified if we elect John Kerry.

293 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:50:05am

#292 RWC:

Ted makes it all the way up to L to the fourth: Loony Leftist Liberal L-ephant.

294 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:50:40am

#280 Rayra,

What makes you think ANYBODY can replace the 82nd Airborne Division??!! Me and my friends may want to have a few words with you....

WTF, Civil War Fest?! Don't have a Civil Wargasm!
Hmmm, and I'm missing it....What are they covering now? It better be the bravery of the Iron Brigade!!

295 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:50:52am

HULUGU (#285)

i'll 86 the threeways for serial monogomy

LOL, it's either that or the highway.

296 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:50:55am

#287 writermom

The strike is ,strike. "insert text" ,/strike. (while holding shift for the period and comma.

I just use the quote function and insert text.

297 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:51:14am

287 WriterMom

to get the little font, hit the "quote" link above the comment box and type or paste the text.

IIRC the tag for strikeout is < strike > < /strike > without the extra spaces:

strikeout

298 Doug in VA  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:51:23am

#287 writermom - for quotes, first highlight and click on copy. Then position the cursor in the comment box, click on quote, put the cursor on the pop up box you'll see, right click, and then click on OK in the box corner.

As to strike through, I've forgotten that also!

299 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:51:37am
300 papijoe  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:51:47am

296 Right Wing Conspirator
jinx!

301 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:52:26am

#296 Right Wing Conspirator

Thanks :)

302 gymnast  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:53:13am

#267, Anant. Sometimes it is not so obvious when something is being dealt with. Think of trying to deal with the problems you cited if Afghanistan and Iraq were under their prior ownership. Think of this as a risk management problem where failure is catastrophic. Right now failure to re-elect the Bush Administration would be a catastrophy. This is the Islamists only hope if they are to reverse their fortunes. The position of the Dem candidates is that with a strong medicare program (paid for how?) and a strong jobs program (socialism) and higher tax revenues (socialism) and surrender of US soverignty (to the UN), the Islamists will somehow and for no reason give up what they have started. What we have now may not be pretty to some, the alternative is too ugly to contemplate.

303 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:53:51am

Thanks to everyone...I'll buy you all a coke ;)

304 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:54:20am

zulubaby or ploome

Where's the jinx?

#293 andthenblammo!

Covered all the bases with that.

305 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:54:52am
306 Doug in VA  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:55:43am

My #298

As to strike through, I've forgotten that also!

Thanks, RWC

307 theDevil!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:56:19am

OT - Dutch plan to expel 26,000 asylum seekers

This is 'too' funny.

'Take your jihad and get the hell out!'

But, but, but, ...jihad is just something in your head, er..your heart...or something.

Sure buddy, get the HELL out!

/democrats printing visas like crazy I'm sure

308 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:56:55am

#300 papijoe

Shazbutt !! Here I was pointing out a jinx to zulubaby and ploome and I get jinxed.

/ You try to do something and you miserably fail. What's the moral. Never try. - Homer J

309 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:01:29pm

#305 Rayra,

'bout time the Marines got back into the fight. The Army's been holding it's own in Iraq since July 03 and a few other places like Afganistan. Hell, this is already the 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment's second war tour in two years. (of the 82nd Airborne Division).

seen any beautiful planes lately?

310 Mar  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:02:39pm

Kelly

Sorry to fact check your ass but Waite was released in 1991 and Reagan was no longer the pres. He was captured because of his involvment with Ollie north.

[Link: www.encyclopedia.com...]

311 Dean Douthat  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:02:40pm

mickthemick:

Thanks for the info.

312 Artisticulated  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:04:49pm

#71  gh
Here is the html code for the opening page. There are no direct calls for ActiveX as you can see. Being a responsible web designer LGF only uses cross-platform calls. I don't know just how MicroSoft tied Flash animations to ActiveX, but apparently they did.

!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "[Link: www.w3.org...]
html>
head>
title>Bush Country Intro
meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
/head>

body>
table width="100%" height="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
tr>
td align="center" valign="middle">object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-4445535400 00" codebase= "[Link: ..."...] width="640" height="480">
param name="movie" value="intro.swf">
param name="quality" value="high">
embed src="intro.swf" width="640" height="480" loop="false" quality="high" pluginspage="[Link: www.macromedia.com...] type="application/x-shockwave-flash">
/object>
/tr>
/table>
/body>
/html>

Charles,
You guys do good work. Quick and clean. Inviting. Not a big fan of the Flash intro though. I like how you trunctuated the header to make room for content. I humbly submit you forgo the ^ back to top ^ script and use ^ press your "Home" key dimwit ^ instead. ;-O

313 Artisticulated  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:06:53pm

Sorry for widening the page everybody!!!!!! Anybody know how to delete your own post?

314 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:07:21pm

Alright, you broke it. Where is the warranty?

Supersized LGF, ala Mickey Moore?

315 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:08:22pm
316 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:10:27pm

OT - But at the next happy hour, invite your friendly neighborhood jihadist for a drink. ;-)

317 Artisticulated  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:11:32pm

It's fun knowing just enough about code to post something that'll screw up a center column.

******ducking head, slinking away*****

318 HULUGU  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:12:50pm

3285--zb--sound of tires screeching--looking for the exit off the interstate--sucumbing to your charms--my scandalous past a distant memory--you can't remember your past--so we start even :-]

319 Artisticulated  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:13:35pm

RWC
Saw that, I'd be ROTFLMHO if I didn't know how common that stuff is.

BTW, Gordon really isn't very sharp is he?

320 el Barto  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:15:50pm

RWC 316
That is just foul.

321 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:15:55pm

#319 Artisticulated

What? The pork martini is common? Heavens to Betsy don't ever invite me over for drinks. Ugh.

322 WriterMom  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:17:07pm

#316: Oy vey!

323 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:18:24pm

the devil

they are doing this at the Hague, this past week end.

I think I emailed the picture to Charles this morning, it seems to have disappeared from BBC

324 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:19:31pm
325 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:20:30pm

#316 RWC

Blech.

326 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:20:35pm

HULUGU (#318)

my scandalous past a distant memory--you can't remember your past--so we start even :-]

It's just as well really! LOL.

327 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:24:20pm

the Devil

see this

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

328 scaramouche  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:26:51pm

# 316 RWC

My favorite cocktail has clamato juice so maybe I shouldn't talk, but still, the "Pigtini" sounds pretty vile.

329 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:27:51pm

#324 Rayra

and $350 gets you a 45-min flight in the thing.

That's one hell of a price.

I wish the Confederate Commemorative Air Force had never moved all the way out to Midland, Texas. {I can't believe they changed the name}
Commemorative Air Force

330 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:30:20pm

#324 RAyRa,

Hmmm, I did not know that Mirimar had a display?

Air and Space Museum - Check
Restoration Facility, Air and Space - Check
Wright Pat - BIG Check
Duxford (Cambridge, UK) - BIG Check
Davis Monthan - Check

I've been wanting to swing back through the Gulf States (ours, not the Arab ones) to see the D-Day Museum in New AWLINS and the Pensacola Naval Air Museum. I'll have to wait until next winter for that.

My Brushes with Beauty story:

Once help an English bloke push his Spitfire out to the taxiway at the EAA up in Wisconsin (Speaking of Wisconsin?)

331 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:31:11pm

#316 RWC:

Try this one, but definately do not let the bubbles get up your nose.

[Link: images.amazon.com...]

332 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:31:12pm

#328 scaramouche

Sorry. Not for me. No healthy stuff in my drinks, thank you very much.

333 Gordon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:32:05pm

#288, #289: Addled minds think alike...

Or, maybe

Ploome = Zulubaby?

Intriguing...

334 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:32:06pm

Wisconsin:

VIA Drudge:

LATE AFTERNOON EXIT POLLS SHOW JOHN EDWARDS PULLING A STRONG SHOWING AGAINST JOHN KERRY, TOP MEDIA AND CAMPAIGN SOURCES TELL DRUDGE... KERRY 42%, EDWARDS 31%, DEAN 15%... DEVELOPING
335 Rusty Shackleford  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:35:09pm

OT--Shocker!! HIZBULLAH SUSPECTED OF JOINING SUNNI INSURGENTS

Who would have thunk it??

PS-Anyone know how reliable Middle East Newsline is?

336 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:35:40pm

Don't get sucked into the Gortex!
Gordon's ass says what?

337 Anant  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:36:52pm

#302 gymanst

"Think of trying to deal with the problems you cited if Afghanistan and Iraq were under their prior ownership"

In the case of Pakistan, I don't think it would make much difference one way or another if Afghanistan were under Taliban control. I don't see why we couldn't have taken the same air power that we massed for use against the Taliban and threatened to use it against Pakistan instead. Maybe my assessment of our air power is too optimistic, but I don't see why we couldn't have said, "close down all the terrorist camps and give us access to your nuke facilities right now, or we'll destroy all your airbases and nuke facilities, and then let the Indians finish you off." This would, incidentally, solve the Taliban problem as well, since the Taliban can't survive without Pakistani support (which they are still getting).

I am certainly aware that a democratic and secular Iraq would be a wonderful tool to use against the Saudis. So from that point of view, the change in leadership certainly puts us ahead. However, given the Bush family's well-documented ties to the Saudis, I'm not entirely faithful that Bush will be willing to put pressure on them.

It comes down to this: up until now, Bush has not gone after what I consider to be the big threats. Maybe he will do something about them in his second term, once things have settled down. That's what you, and many others, seem to believe. I am not yet convinced that Bush will do what I consider to be the "important" things in his second term, and since I disagree with him on so many domestic issues (I'm a liberal and I'm not ashamed to admit it), my inclination is to vote against him.

However, like I said, if by November he convinces me that in his second term he will address my national security concerns, I'll vote for him, because I think defeating the terrorists is the most important issue

338 Let's Roll  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:37:12pm

OT -- Norwegian Police Release Founder of Suspected Kurdish Terror Group Ansar Al-Islam

OSLO, Norway, Norway Feb. 17 — Police released the founder of suspected Iraqi terror group Ansar al-Islam late Tuesday as Norwegian media reported that rival Kurds had forced some witnesses to testify against him.

Mullah Krekar, a refugee in Norway since fleeing Saddam Hussein's regime in 1991, was arrested at his home in Oslo on Jan. 2 and ordered held for investigation of a variety of charges, including conspiracy in the attempted murders of political rivals in northern Iraq.

339 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:42:11pm

The inimitable Mark Steyn:

At the Davos economic forum the other day, a live greeting was beamed down to the assembled grandees from a British astronaut, who read out some one-world guff about how, viewed from space, the Earth is not divided by borders. I'm sure that's true. It's also true that in space no one can hear you scream, which is just as well, because that's what I'd be doing in a world without borders.
340 Barbara Skolaut  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:46:45pm

#56 Iowahawk: It wasn't a drive, it was a two-foot putt. :-p

341 ralph  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:53:01pm

Test
Gordon

342 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:53:48pm

roflmao

343 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:54:19pm

#338

Unbelievable. I hope they will get serious reasons to regret this in their own Country, in Norway.

#337

"...my inclination is to vote against him."

Kerry will help you to get rid of any terrorist threat, SURE. / sarc/ asm/
That is repeated so often: Bush is not good enough, so I cut my throat...

344 HULUGU  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:55:51pm

#337--anant--very simplistic world view--even international politics is the art of the possible--this is complex stuff--no time for bull in the china shop tactics--if you don't think we scared the pants off of mushareff after 9/11 to do a 180 on the taliban with a "with us or against us" dressing down accompanied by three aircraft carriers off the pakistani coast and some bribes then you are naive--rome wasn't built in a day--nor will jihadi islamism be destroyed in three years--patience mon ami--deal with the possible and the probable--leave the certainties to the fundo absolutist mindset--if you don't vote for bush it would be like voting for mcclellan instead of lincoln--you only win for sure in sports and the movies--this is real life my friend

345 Zionista  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:58:25pm

Hare Dubya
Hare Dubya
Dubya Dubya
Hare Hare.....

"It's a cult of personaliteeeee..." (hat tip: Living Colour)

346 The ThinMan  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 12:59:09pm

My next dog is going to be:
Hillary
I can't wait to tell my 3L family!

347 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:00:30pm

Charles?

348 ralph  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:00:42pm

#337 anant

However, given the Bush family's well-documented ties to the Saudis, I'm not entirely faithful that Bush will be willing to put pressure on them.


Dealing with the Saudi crime family takes a little of what the el cuboes would call nuance. Don't want to plunge the world into an economic quagmire trying to do a hostile takeover of the corner gas station.

349 theDevil!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:00:54pm

337

However, like I said, if by November he convinces me that in his second term he will address my national security concerns, I'll vote for him, because I think defeating the terrorists is the most important issue

Bush has implemented his policy and he has sent the military to hunt down and kill or capture terrorists.

Your argument amounts to being disatisfied by how fast the terrorists are being killed.

And how can you possibly know this?

You may be correct in judging this. But I know of no earthly way of determining this answer.

We are only going to know if we are fighting fast enough and furious enough, after the fact.

350 Athos  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:04:32pm

#274 Gordo

Perhaps its time for a lesson on another leader of the Anglican / Episcopal Church - one of those "leaders" who provide guidance on the "long time study of theology."

What's Wrong with Bishop Spong?

John Shelby Spong is an influential public speaker, writer and media figure. He is also Bishop of Newark in New Jersey. He claims he is a Christian yet he champions causes that historic Christianity has often fought tooth and nail against. Bishop Spong is well known for ordaining practising homosexuals, denying the bodily resurrection and virginal conception1 of Christ, and for deriving his moral code from modern human experience rather than the Bible.
Bishop Spong is often described as a great scholar and intellectual giant who ‘has the guts to tell it like it is’ (see back cover of Living in Sin [LS — see the bibliography for abbreviations of Spong’s books]), whereas all Christians who oppose him are ignorant ‘fundamentalists’ and ‘literalizers’. Indeed, one Australian reviewer said, ‘Thank God for Spong!’ In Spong’s world, works which support his view are described as ‘well written and even brilliant works of biblical scholarship’; whereas works supporting biblical inerrancy are ‘tracts, pamphlets, and books from the pens of fundamentalist Christians’ (Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism [RBF] p. x).

This is a little dated information. Bishop Spong retired several years back. But, he continues to claim that those who follow the scriptures as taught (as opposed to how he wants it) are still "fundamentalists" and "literalizers".

Those "leaders" that you refer to, direct their world view and views on religion to you based on their politics - liberal studues and morals - not based on their study of theology.

351 gymnast  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:09:37pm

#337, Anant. It's like you are on a motorcycle going 90 miles an hour, and are about to find out, if the brakes work, if there is gravel in the intersection and if the car intersecting your path is going to yield right of way. You do like living dangerously, and you know what you want. I assume that you know the consequences of running out of road or luck.

352 theDevil!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:10:38pm

337

However, like I said, if by November he convinces me that in his second term he will address my national security concerns, I'll vote for him, because I think defeating the terrorists is the most important issue

Bush has implemented his policy and he has sent the military to hunt down and kill or capture terrorists.

Your argument amounts to being disatisfied by how fast the terrorists are being killed.

And how can you possibly know this?

You may be correct in judging this. But I know of no earthly way of determining this answer.

We are only going to know if we are fighting fast enough and furious enough, after the fact.

And even then, we'll never know if the 'next' attack could have been prevented or delayed or lessened in any way.

The one thing important to me, is the policy which has been set in motion. We will hunt down and kill every terrorist. And it will take as long as it takes.

For now, that's good enough for me.

/oops

353 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:13:27pm

The ThinMan-how could you saddle an innocent dog with such a vile name? Would you name your child it? Brrr...
zulubaby, why are you all, "Charles?"?
Although I'm wondering when we're gonna get a new thread now that both Zionasty and Grody are in this one! Is that it?

354 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:16:45pm

evariste (#353)

zulubaby, why are you all, "Charles?"?

I'm wondering when he's going to fix the thread.

355 Athos  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:17:30pm
Gordon's ass says what?

"Get this pinhead off of me!"

356 RIP Ford  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:17:45pm

It's a slow day, so I'll go OT again:

An interview with George Galloway.

Fidel Castro is a great revolutionary leader. But for 40 years or more of siege, undoubtedly Cuba would have developed, democratically speaking, differently. But when the enemy is at the gates, spending billions to destroy the revolution, you have to accept that there will be restrictions on political freedoms in a place like Cuba.”

I’m against big power imperialism. I’m against the idea that Britain and America – especially Britain and America, with their imperialist history – have the right to invade other people’s territory, change their regimes, steal their things. If I have to choose between the Mullocracy in Tehran or a British and American invasion of Iran, I’ll be with the Mullocracy. I think that’s very logical. I’ve never been to Iran. I don’t like the Iranian regime – I’m saying this in case it becomes important later – but if George Bush and Tony Blair invade Iran, I’ll be with Iran.”

357 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:21:59pm

#356 RIP Ford:

but if George Bush and Tony Blair invade Iran, I’ll be with Iran

Translation: "Now that my former sugar daddy Saddam is behind bars, I'm looking for someone new who can pay my bills... how 'bout you, honey?" [bats his eyes in the direction of Rafsanjani]

358 Gordon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:23:56pm

#354: (to the cadence of the ignorant peasants in Monty Python and the Holy Grail):

Ban Him! Ban Him! Ban Him!

359 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:30:02pm

#354 zulubaby-fix what? Is something awry that I'm not seeing? It looks normal to me.

360 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:30:56pm

Thanks Charles, much better! :-)

361 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:31:29pm

Oh. I guess whatever it was got fixed :-) What was it?

362 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:33:16pm

evariste, Artisticulated's post #312 freaked the thread out but Charles has fixed it now (although that particular post is still not totally lined up.)

363 Zionista  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:35:26pm

evariste (353),

Although I'm wondering when we're gonna get a new thread now that both Zionasty and Grody are in this one! Is that it?

Time to schlepp out the old wailing baby pic.

364 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:37:09pm

LOL!

365 Iron Fist  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:37:17pm

#275 John Gibbon,


Havn't enough Kennedy's been killed on ski slopes?


Actually, I've been waiting for brother Ted to croak since I was about twelve (even as a kid, the f*cker just plain rubbed me the wrong way), but a Kerry Presidency is an awfully high price to pay for something that cirrhosis is going to take care of eventually.

OTOH, if, G-d forbid, Kerry does win, it would be some consolation...

366 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:39:12pm

Oh, did you mean for us? 'Cuz I was thinking for you, Zionasti.

367 Camel Prophet  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:44:01pm

Last I heard, Kerry already has a 5% lead over Bush in the polls, and that's without campaigning directly against the President.

New National Guard deployments, many including middle aged householders, require one-year service in Iraq. Road-side bomb deaths that will be suffered by members of this group, will impact negatively on American support for soft-occupation. Although pro-active rules of engagement, initiated last November, reduced US casualties from 3 to 1 per day, the terrorists have re-tailored their strategies to demoralize the occupiers. And they are well aware that it is an election year in America.

Democraticization efforts viz muslim savages, is a recipe for futility. While they can, occupiers must force domestic liquidation - by starvation siege if necessary - of each and every Iraqi (and alien intervener) Islamofascist, including nominally popular clerics. That can't happen until both secularism is imposed on the savages and Fallujah is bombed until it becomes indistinguishable from the Moon. Politics is the art of the possible, and realistic counter-terror measures appear possible given that American electors aren't going to continue subsidizing unworkable policies, that are based on Bush's messianic delusions of benign islam.

MAKE WAR ON ISLAM!

368 gymnast  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:44:29pm

#365, Iron Fist. Cirrosis is slow and unfortunatly painless. I could put up with the slow part if it unvolved more pain on Kennedys part. The thought of him treading water in a lake of feces while flaming arrows are shot at him for all of eternity is comforting and helps compensate.

369 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:45:07pm

Too bizarre.

Terry Waite, a Briton who was held hostage in Lebanon for nearly five years, returned Monday to the Lebanese capital for the first time since his release more than 12 years ago.

"I'm very glad to be back in Lebanon," a beaming, white-bearded Waite told reporters at Beirut International Airport.

Waite was trying to negotiate the release of Western hostages in his capacity as a special envoy of the archbishop of Canterbury when he was taken hostage in January 1987.

He was released in September 1991 after 1,760 days in captivity.

All sorts of lunatics roaming the earth.

370 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:47:10pm
371 Athos  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:49:43pm

#368 Gymnast

Come on, let's really make him suffer. Replace all of his Chivas with water.

372 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:51:05pm

Nasty!
And Reagan personally worked on freeing this sleazeball? Gah.

373 Zionista  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:51:42pm
Cirrosis is slow and unfortunatly painless. I could put up with the slow part if it unvolved more pain on Kennedys part. The thought of him treading water in a lake of feces while flaming arrows are shot at him for all of eternity is comforting and helps compensate (#368).

In other words, "compassionate conservatism."

374 David All  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:51:44pm

Zulubaby #369 & #370, Waite is the worst case of Stockholm Syndrome (indentifying with your kidnappers) on record!

375 gymnast  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:52:06pm

#369, Zulubaby. Terry's trip is being sponsored by the YMCA but I think he went because he just wants to get handcuffed to a radiator and whipped with a silk rope for a couple more years.

376 steve miller  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:54:26pm

#261, you may be right. However, VFI was evilly vile. It was a case with her of continually trying to stick it to the Jews. Oh, and the quaint odor of failure that was attached to her postings.

377 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:55:20pm

Ridiculous. He's obviously been tortured into madness but must he wear that bloody kaffiyeh? Every time I see one of those I want to be ill.

378 gymnast  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:55:38pm

#373, Zionista. I'm about to fire up my .223 and trim the back lawn. Want to help?

379 Darn Tootin  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:56:00pm
From Drudge: Dutch parliament approves expulsion of thousands of asylum seeker

The new law had been bitterly opposed by large sections of the Dutch population and by human rights groups. It has also caused despair among asylum seekers, one of whom, an Iranian, has sewn up his eyes and mouth in protest.

Why am I not surprised? Click Here to see a picture of the dude.

380 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:57:56pm

Zionasti,

In other words, "compassionate conservatism."

Did you leap to your feet and punch the air while yelling "booya!" after that dazzling quip?

G'won ahead genius, it was that good.

381 steve miller  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:58:23pm

#377 zulubaby - go ahead and be ill. It's more than madness. I do NOT want to go into any comparisons. But the mind reels. To wear the symbol of his torture and his torturers. Hmm. As you so eloquently put it, feh.

382 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:59:06pm

steve miller,

Oh, and the quaint odor of failure that was attached to her postings.

LOL!

383 steve miller  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 1:59:12pm

booya?

384 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:00:43pm

steve miller-sure man.

385 Athos  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:00:50pm

#377 Zulubaby

There is no limit to how low some will go to stand with, and for the enemy.

386 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:01:32pm

See especially this.

387 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:01:57pm
You’re invited to the launch of an LGF-designed web site for New York Post columnist John Podhoretz

Yeah? Where's the bar?

388 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:03:04pm
389 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:05:01pm

I think you've had enough this afternoon, zulby! Why don't you come over here and take a short nap on the couch, by the time you wake up everyone else will have caught up with you ;-) Then I'll show you jPod's secret stash!

390 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:05:23pm

do you think if the Israelis has kidnapped Terry Waite,

held him for 5 years,

he would have returned to Tel Aviv wearing a yarmulka, to kiss babies?

391 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:07:00pm

Sure, if his captors were hot.

392 ploome  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:07:49pm

:-P

lol

393 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:08:09pm

:)

394 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:08:31pm

Excellent point, though.

395 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:10:17pm

evariste, don't ever invite me to nap on the couch, it's my favourite thing and if your couch is comfortable I won't leave!

How sweet is this picture?

396 Kragar (proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:11:04pm

OT

Israel readies for PR blitz in The Hague

The aim of Israel's program is to "make the Palestinians regret the day they ever sent the matter to the court," Meir told the committee, which gave its support for the ministry's information plan.
397 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:11:15pm

#386 evariste
Is "booya" still slang for a shotgun blast? I'm not hip.

398 Pissed off Liberaltarian  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:11:18pm

Piss us off more, please. We're coming for you in November, and we are coming HARD.

399 gymnast  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:12:25pm

#376, Steve Miller. Maybe you're right. Could be that Gordons like that puppy that you brought home from the pound for the kids. First thing off the bat he eats the magazine you haven't read yet. Then he pisses on the carpet, craps on the kitchen table and pretty soon he's biting your hand when you reach for a rolled up newspaper. The kids love the mutt, the wife thinks he's cute and can be trained, but you are making plans for him. Dark plans.

400 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:12:36pm

Pissed off Liberaltarian,

we are coming HARD.

this is a family blog.

401 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:13:33pm

zulubaby, aww! I feel sorry for any dog that has to live in a muslim country, they treat them so bad :-(

402 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:15:13pm

#397 mickthemick, I guess that's the origin of it, but it's evolved into a different meaning now. Check my urban dictionary link above.

403 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:16:08pm

"Booya" is a Marine Corps exclamation of approval or enthusiasm. Loosely translated, it means: "Indeed, I approve of, and/or am enthusiastic regarding, the aforementioned declaration and/or action." Some of the more verbose Devil Dogs will in fact use exactly that sentence instead. Well, no, actually they don't.

#398 POL:

and we are coming HARD

Please, this is a "family" blog, okay? Save that smut for somewhere else.

404 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:16:10pm

#398

Piss us off more, please.

Sure. Please come at "us" as hard as you can, because it's going to be a laugh riot watching the Dem candidate fall on his ass regardless of who you're addressing in your post. See you in November. ;)

405 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:17:48pm

evariste--

Okay, my "family blog" quote was loosely inspired by Mr. Burns hissing to Smithers, "this is a family nuclear power plant!"

How 'bout yours?

406 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:20:24pm

#395 zulubaby
I forgot to thank-you for posting that image. I'd seen it earlier today and thought it was cool. It must be refreshing for both the dog and the soldier, considering they are in a society that hates them both.

407 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:20:37pm

Occasional Reader, LOL! I'm not sure where I got mine, it just popped out of my brain. Maybe it was an unconscious Simspons reference, or maybe I got the phrase from someone else here.
zulubaby, you're welcome to sleep on my couch. I promise it doesn't look like this.

408 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:21:02pm

Pissed off Liberaltarian (#398)

Oh yeah, we're terrified of you metrosexuals!

409 Ein Hund  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:21:40pm

#399, gymnast

Does the SPCA know about you?

You should expect a visit from about a dozen Rottweilers and the same number of pit bulls.

Gordon is benign incoherence.

410 ralph  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:24:06pm

#388 rayra

irregardless


Please. No double negatives in polite company.

411 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:26:01pm

#408 zulubaby
LOL! Deanie Baby?!?! That looks more like a Dean bop-bag! It would be funny to see one of them in public, then go up and sock it. If the person complains, you can just say "Sorry! I thought you were a Dean bop-bag!"

412 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:26:21pm

#408 zulubaby:

Oh yeah, we're terrified of you metrosexuals!

Us latte-drinking gun nuts ain't afraid of nobody! Now that we've found our metrorednexual demographic group!

413 HULUGU  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:28:42pm

[bigoted word]s don't like dogs because the profit [piss be upon him] said the angel gabriel didn't visit him once because their was a dog under his bed--so mo said all dogs should be killed--only [as usual] to retract this to allow hunting and herd protective dogs to live--while still saying that black dogs must be killed no matter what--ergo try to find a black dog in islamania--whereas in the past they trafficed in black pussy--ask bandar to see his mother

414 quark2  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:31:03pm

Thanx guys and gals, for a terrific thread! Where's our wonderous weather wizard?


It's short sleeve/shorts weather in Ed's back yard. Just came in from feeding the horses, cats, dogs and chickens. Walked down to the front gate to look at the grading job that got rid of the ruts and holes full of sucky mud.
No sign of the deer, wild hog, pair of fox, but the crows and the buzzards were all floating around in the warm air.
Sounds of robins were heard while out at the feed room, so that mean for us spring is just round the corner...which means hotternhell weather isn't far behind.

zulubaby, my browser showed the thread messed up too. It was fine once I refreshed. Mozilla build 2003120808....yeah yeah I know I need to go ahead and install FireFox. :)

415 HULUGU  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:32:01pm

their=there--preview mongol

416 Occasional Reader  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:32:53pm
whereas in the past they trafficed in black pussy--ask bandar to see his mother

???????

417 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:33:55pm

mickthemick, is a bop bag one of those blow-up toys that are weighted at the bottom and no matter how hard you punch, it doesn't tip over?

418 Kustie the Klown  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:34:30pm

Hey thanks everyone who posted info/links on Bush/AWOL.

I found everything i needed!

419 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:34:43pm

He's talking about the Arab slave-trade, Occasional Reader. Bandar Bush's mom was a black slave.

420 Baldy  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:36:09pm

Baldy: "#312's URL, when's the baby due?"

#312's URL: "I'm NOT PREGNANT"

Baldy walks away embarrassed.

Baldy decides to never ask some strange URL "when's the baby due?. The URL might just be zaftig.

421 NTropy  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:36:26pm

Nother old time Punk fan here. I know, I know - how do Bible Thumper® and Punk fan go together? I don't know either.

I went to high school and college with some of the guys in Social Distortion, Adolescents, Agent Orange and D.I.

I became a huge fan of Hüsker Dü and the Replacements in college.

One band I never ceased to enjoy seeing was the Dickies. I stopped listening to Dead Kennedys when I woke up to exactly what kind of socialist crap Jello Biafra was spewing. I admired the brass it took to do it though. Black Flag, Circle Jerks and most L.A. punk didn't do much for me. I have tapes and *gasp* vinyl from them though. Hands down best compilations were the Rodney on the Roq ones.

422 MarkD  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:36:41pm

OT: Drudge has linked to an article stating that the Dutch are going to deport about 26,000 foreigners.

Dutch Deportation

All the way at the end of the article, there's a mention that most of the deportees are from: Somalia, Afghanistan, and Chechnya.

Hmm, is there a common thread amongst those 3 countries??

423 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:37:39pm

#417 zulubaby
Yes, that's a bop-bag. One of those punching bags for kids.

424 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:40:12pm
425 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:43:36pm

Good work, Rayra! That page was quite unwieldy until you did that.

426 gymnast  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:45:14pm

#409, one dog. It is an analogous puppy, Gordon is semi real.

427 quark2  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:45:24pm

@380 evariste

Hoo boy! That was that good! *lol


@388 Rayra

Fisked with a q-tip perhaps? :)


@413 Hugulu

Awwwww~~ and I have a black lab, Slick! You think I could disguise him a shadow under a bush?

428 Iron Fist  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:50:54pm

#398 Pissed off Liberaltarian,

Bring it!

If W wins only the states he won in 2000, he wins comfortably. The South is basically uncontested "if" Kerry wins the nomination. Yes, there are those people who would vote for Saddam Hussein if he had a D following his name, but John "F the South" Kerry wouldn't win 40% of the vote down here if he ran with Robert E. Lee as his vice-President.

It is theoretically possible to win the Presidency without any southern state. It's highly unlikely. You have to win about 70% of the vote everywhere else to do it (i.e. take 70% of the remaining States).

Frankly, I don't see Kerry winning 70% of the remaining vote.

Neither does Terry McAuliffe. You don't go as negative as they have as early as they have if you are confident of anything but losing. Take the AWOL, the "Guard is no different than dodging the draft" BS we’ve seen over the past few weeks.

That is almost suicidal desperation.

You do realize that you Dimocrats just pissed off the virtually the entire Guard and Reserve, don’t you? Pissed Liberal weenies marching with Stalinist front groups, or pissed Military folks who’ve been told they don’t count, which one of these would you want to run in campaign adds during a war?

It’s going to be a fun election. It’ll be interesting to see if Zell Miller, Ed Koch, or (wouldn’t this be a kick in the nads :-) Joe Lieberman gets a speaking gig at the RNC convention.

Pre-9-11 America (your side) against post-9-11 America (all of us :-). I’ve said it before, and I expect to keep pounding it until at least November. The War will go on no matter who wins the election. The election is about the rules of engagement under which the war will be fought. If Bush wins, those rules will be favorable to the US.

If Kerry wins, the rules will be favorable to the Islamonazis.

The election is between a war approach to terrorism and a.Law Enforcement approach to terrorism. Bush and Kerry are just the schwerpunkt, as it were.

429 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:54:28pm
430 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:56:46pm

Nicely done, Rayra.

431 steve miller  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 2:59:15pm

Ok, I'm educated on booya now, from urbandictionary.com:

the single most annoying word in any language anywhere ever. often used by fat guys who watch tons of football but are too fat to actually play it themselves.

And to think I've made it this far in life without this information. What will they think of next, a spray that's a floor wax AND a dessert topping?

432 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:01:12pm

More good news on the EU immigration front. The Danish are getting concerned about Muslim clerics. WARNING! The link is to English al-Jazeera, so there's a lot of whining about this, but the Danes are getting serious, even stepping up the fines for people who give "asylum" to illegals slated for deportation.

433 Anant  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:09:19pm

#388 Rayra

It has to do with my security concerns both as a Hindu and as an American citizen. Do you have a problem with that? Are you going to try to pin some of that Buchananite "dual loyalty" shit on me?

Iraq is not the country that proliferated nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea, and Libya. That was Pakistan. Iraq is not the country that created and armed the Taliban. That was Pakistan. Iraq may have provided some money and logistical support to Al Quaeda, but thats' nothing compared to the kind of support they got from pakistan and SA. Hence I consider Pakistan to be a greater threat to the United States than Iraq was. Simple as that.

If you don't think that giving nukes to Iran and North Korea or creating a terrorist group that killed 3,000 Americans count as threats to the United States, then I think YOU are the one with blinders on.

434 gymnast  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:12:56pm

Interesting piece on Kerry and the Chinese over on MSNBC MSN, Seems Kerry was helping to set up a fireworks dealership for the daughter of the #2 guy in the Chinese Peoples Army.

435 John Gibbon  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:17:16pm

#434 Gymnast,

Kerry - Death by special interest...


....Well that's all for me tonight. see ya'll when the big heat tab comes up again tomorrow.

436 LesLein  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:18:54pm

OT, but according to Eric Alterman, Al Gore has a skill we didn't know about:

"At the post-speech dinner, Gore took questions and demonstrated that self-effacing charm and penetrating intelligence I had heard about, admitting that he'd try to '[BS]' his way through the "essay question" I asked him and later demonstrating the technique he developed during his teenage years for hypnotizing chickens."

[Link: www.thenation.com...]

437 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:20:54pm
... demonstrating the technique he developed during his teenage years for hypnotizing chickens.

They weren't hypnotized, they'd died of boredom.

438 andrew  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:23:10pm

#433 Anant

If I may, we struck Afganistan and Iraq first because of good old-fashioned military strategy.
An attack on Saudi Arabia would bring quite harsh economic conditions worldwide. Furthermore, it is not yet militarily necessary to attack the oil-ticks. We now have a little staging ground in the middle east - you may have heard of it - it's called Iraq. If and when the time comes for war in Saudi Arabia, we won't have to worry about being attacked from behind(Iraq). The strategy is sound, having been developed by folks whose job it is to make war on the enemy.

439 ralph  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:24:35pm

#433 anant

Al Quaeda, but thats' nothing compared to the kind of support they got from pakistan and SA.


True but you don't respond in an Iraqi and Afghani way to a state SA that controls an important commodity to the world and another state Pakistan that is a tinderbox with nukes. You can only play the cards as they are dealt to you.

440 Colt  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:30:50pm

#398 Pissed off Liberaltarian

Ah yes, the Democrats.

"Running on a platform of 'go back to sleep' since 8:45 AM, New York time."

You're coming for us? With what?

Bush is a deserter, except for those damn military records.

Bush lied about WMD, except for the fact he didn't.

Bush has made the world more dangerous, only Libya is disarmed, Saddam is in jail, and Iran and Pakistan are treading lightly.

Bush is wrecking the economy, except for the ~8% 3rd quarter growth, and rising.

You're a joke, and you know it. Your party came up with a general who frames his men for war crimes, a war veteran who backed the communists, some sort of banshee-man, and an array of lunatics and morons. The general was backed by a guy who thinks Bush knew about 9/11, who eventually endorsed the NVA guy. And those are the guys who you expected to beat Bush on security.

You can't tell, but I'm laughing at you.

441 Colt  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:37:15pm

#433 Anant

Iraq was necessary, because of precedent, Saddam's stance in the Arab world, the fact we'd need to take him sooner or later, and geographically. FWIW, I agree that KSA and Pakistan are greater strategic threats, and we probably both wonder whether GWB has the will to take the WoT in the direction it needs to go.

#31 Tamar

(About Bush:)

Being the single most successful promoter of Islam since Saladin ain't much to squeal about either!

LOL!

Not to mention the 'family site' stuff. I'm a little ashamed I didn't see the joke in 'coming HARD'...

442 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:38:30pm

#438 Andrew

If I may, we struck Afganistan and Iraq first because of good old-fashioned military strategy.

We hit Afghanistan & Iraq first because we could. Terrorists used Afghanistan as a base to attack the U.S. directly. A U.S. military response was justified. The U.S., as per U.N. resolutions, could have led a coaltion to disarm Iraq anytime after 1998 when Saddam permanently threw U.N. inspectors out of the country, but up until 9/11 the costs did not outweigh the gains; hence, the reason Clinton did not make an invasion U.S. policy, though he could have. Bush, however, made the mistake of going back to the U.N. for approval.

The U.S. had/has no reason to attack SA or Pakistan at this time. It is better political strategy to play a chess match (for now). It has nothing to do with "military strategy" because the U.S. could dust SA off the map so fast the Iraqis would laugh. Pakistan is a different story due its nukes, but would lose a conventional war with the U.S. rather quickly. Nevertheless, there is no overt justification for a U.S. military attack on Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

443 Colt  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:43:26pm

(Where are my manners?)

Great job, Charles.

#442 mickthemick

The U.S. had/has no reason to attack SA or Pakistan at this time. It is better political strategy to play a chess match (for now).

Not strictly true. If we were to pick state sponsors of al-Qa'eda, I'd put Pakistan and KSA higher on the list than the Taliban or Saddam's Ba'athists.

They've also had a massive role in spreading jihadist thought, which is the ideological (and existential) threat the West faces.

Last, to say 'for now' defeats the point of pre-emption altogether.

444 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:46:46pm

#440 Colt
LOL! You really sound like an elephant (as in, GOP) in Union Jack colors! When are you moving over here? ;)

445 andrew  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:48:14pm

#442 mickthemick

Yeah, my post was poorly worded. I agree with what you said. So much for being simplistic. :-)
Thanks for cleaning up after me.

446 EE  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:48:17pm

#433 Anant

I think that it is very likely that the global resistance to jihadist-terrorist-Islamism is going to include Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, non-religious people, and freedom-loving Muslims, as well as others.

This coalition will come together out of a sense of common victimhood, and a common desire to defeat the major threat to civilization of our time.

For a description of what is already happening, see the article "Israel & India Unite In Fight In Global "War On Terrorism", by Gary Fitleberg
[Link: www.paktoday.com...]

447 steve miller  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:51:07pm

Didn't we have a discussion here a few months ago about how we need a Democrat Party that would have something different from the Republican Party platform, representatives, and constituency?

Well, we got one. We have the presumed-anointed--one, Kerry; we have a platform that is summed up by "Thank G-d for Bush solving all the foreign crises and getting the economy back online so now we can turn a blind eye to terror and focus on important things like a 30-year--old military record (but NOT a 30-year--old military record of OUR candidate)" and representatives that can only lie and screech, and a constituency that truly seems off the rails -- exactly WHAT do these people think of Kerry as a person or as someone who holds their values? No, they vote for Kerry because he's ... electable. Yeah, that's grounds for a great presidency. "Hey mom, why did America get attacked by Al Qaeda in 2007?" "Well, I thought Kerry was electable, so I voted for him. Of course, I didn't really expect him to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan on January 22nd 2005. And I didn't expect him to raise payroll and income taxes by 10-15 percentage points. And I didn't expect him to appoint Jimmuh Carter to the Supreme Court. And I didn't expect him to appoint Michael Moore as Defense Secretary, who immediately downsized the military to that of Canada's. And I didn't expect to lose my job when the higher taxes crashed the stock market, but then, Kerry said money is evil -- except his wife's money, whoever she was at the current time. And I didn't expect to see Detroit become a ghost town and a third-world shantytown when Kerry banned the internal combustion engine. And I didn't expect to see the millions of windmills in Kansas but none in Massachusetts. And I didn't expect to see so many gun owners in jail. And I didn't expect him to put Howard Dean in charge of the new American Medical Administration, and I didn't expect to see medical research funds dry up so suddenly when he used eminent domain to seize all the current drug patents 'in the interests of national security and happiness.' And I didn't expect him appoint Jane Fonda as Secretary of State. And I didn't expect him to send the US 7th Fleet to the ME to force Israel to incorporate the West Bank and Gaza into a unified state -- and then to see the massacre of the Israelis the day after the unification. And I didn't expect Kerry to send the Golden Palme d'Or to Iran - and to send the billions to help Iran build its nuclear arsenal so quickly. And I didn't expect him to pull out of all international waters when Iran threatened us with a nuclear bomb. And I didn't expect to see him cede Paterson NJ and Dearborn MI as New American Islamic states. And I didn't expect him to invite the Grand Mufti of Riyadh to light the Eid el Fitr tree. And I didn't expect him to allow the Islamic Court of Saudi Arabia overrule our Constitution. No, I didn't expect all that, but my gosh, he certainly was electable. Now you hush up and finish memorizing your Qu'ran. You know that with the new Islamic government we're giving up all that nasty western civilization and science, and we're going to focus on what truly matters, Arabic. And after lunch you can go play with your explosive belts - maybe we'll find a use for them in the coming months, Insh'allah."

448 Paladin  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:51:26pm

Let me add my name to the list of those admiring the handiwork of the Lizardoid Master.

449 Colt  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:52:20pm

#444 mickthemick

LOL!

As little as I like Bush, I won't let the left piss on the things he has actually achieved.

450 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:52:31pm

#443 Colt

Not strictly true. If we were to pick state sponsors of al-Qa'eda, I'd put Pakistan and KSA higher on the list than the Taliban or Saddam's Ba'athists.

Oh, I'm not aruging that point, brother. That's why I said this:

. Nevertheless, there is no overt justification for a U.S. military attack on Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

Emphasis on the word overt. If the U.S. were to invade Pakistan or SA, it would need to show the world "smoking guns" : hard evidence directly linking their respective governments to direct attacks on the U.S.

451 The Real Travis  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:52:55pm

#421 NTropy

Are you from The OC Orange County?
I remember/know a lot of those guys, too. My bro. was really good friends with the Dickies and did a lot of their album and singles covers in the '80s. I grew up in Pasadena and was more into the LA/Hollywood/South Bay bands than the OC bands(loved the Adolescents, though) but now I live in The OC Orange County.

I always thought DKs were a cartoon band and could never take any of Jello's comments/lyrics seriously.

452 Colt  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:54:33pm

#447 steve miller

LOL!

Feel better to get that off your chest? :-)

453 steve miller  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:55:42pm

Well, yes. ;)

454 andthenblammo!  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:57:33pm

I always get a kick out of people expressing the thought: "It was totally wrong to invade Iraq preemptively from a moral point of view, especially since we should have preemptively invaded North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, China, and Upper Jerkofistan first." Just something wrong about the thought I simply can't put my finger on..............

455 Colt  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:58:58pm

#450 mickthemick

Overt? Like Saddam's WMD...? ;-)

Linking ISI to AQ would be pretty easy, and the Sauds have had 30 months to stomp on the people sending the 100s of millions to AQ. How much more overt must one be?

456 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 3:59:10pm

#449 Colt

As little as I like Bush, I won't let the left piss on the things he has actually achieved.

That's what bothers me about so many Bush critics. Moreover, so many of them are just plain dishonest, nonsensical, and/or paranoid (e.g., Bush=Hitler). And seeing somebody outside the U.S. go- off on the less intelligent Bush-bashers is a real treat. ;)

457 Colt  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:01:52pm

#456 mickthemick

No doubt about it - a sizeable portion of America is insane :-)

And seeing somebody outside the U.S. go- off on the less intelligent Bush-bashers is a real treat. ;)

Glad to be of service. Though, technically, I am an American (US/UK citizenship).

458 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:07:46pm
459 quark2  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:08:26pm

OT

Australia can now be added along with California being "discovered" by the muslims.

[Link: www.memri.org...]

460 mickthemick  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:09:28pm

#455 Colt
Once again, you're preaching to the choir. ;) But ISI is a nasty can of worms with tentacles. The truth about the the ISI is that its up to its elbows in the Taliban & Afghanistan, terrorism in India and Kashmir, and all the corruption. The shit's really going to hit the fan in a bad way if the gloves come off with the Pakis. India will get plenty pissed, too. Musharraff is our best friend in Pakistan, and he's trying most of all to save his own nuts (Can't blame him, though). And Pak still has nukes.
We cannot invade SA while the Sauds control the Hejaz (the Western province on the Red Sea that contains Mecca & Medina). If that happened the Islamonazis would really get the global jihad they've always wanted.

461 Doug in VA  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:10:15pm

From Steven Den Beste (sorry if it's been posted):

Three questions that must be asked of Kerry, particularly after Sunday night's debate waffling:

Are we at war?

Do you intend to win it, if we are?

How will you win it?

BTW, Edwards is awfully close in Wisconsin, 39% - 35%

462 piglet  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:12:14pm
Linking ISI to AQ would be pretty easy, and the Sauds have had 30 months to stomp on the people sending the 100s of millions to AQ. How much more overt must one be?

Or not be "overt". B-2 bomb half the royal family at night and don't say a word about it. Just demand all of AQ members (including saudi royals) in SA on pikes or full democratic elections in 6 months. Rinse lather, REPEAT!

463 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:12:16pm

quark2, I read that earlier, on Jihad Watch, I think. How do you fancy this?

Sheikh Al-Hilali said on another occasion: "The media all over the world are controlled by Zionist fingers, particularly the Western media, and that includes Australia, in which the media are under Zionist hegemony. But in Australia, which unlike the West and the U.S. is multicultural, the media are less racist in their enmity to Muslims and Islam. This is evidenced by the fact that we won the last media battle in Australia and succeeded in forcing the Australian people to treat us with respect. We have not suffered from persecution or disrespect to the same extent that Islamic communities in Western countries and in America have suffered."(

If they suffer so much in America, why do they stay? I'll help them pack ...

464 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:13:56pm

Oh, and this:

We are proud of the Islamic resistance in Palestine, Lebanon, Kashmir, and everywhere in the world that seeks to achieve its legitimate rights in accordance with the international resolutions, the human rights conventions, and the U.N. resolutions...

A law unto themselves and heaven help you if you don't hold by their definition of what "law" is. Raving, ranting lunatics.

465 Colt  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:14:06pm

#460 mickthemick

RE Pakistan, read this.

As a point of reference, both Musharraf and Arafat invoke the Treaty of Hudaybiya.

We cannot invade SA while the Sauds control the Hejaz (the Western province on the Red Sea that contains Mecca & Medina). If that happened the Islamonazis would really get the global jihad they've always wanted.

That won't change for the forseeable future, and it doesn't take long to convince Muslims of the necessity of jihad. It can be a matter of months, my point being that the longer Saudi money pays for Wahhabist texts, imams and so forth, the more 9/11s, Balis and Bus #19s we'll face.

466 steve miller  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:15:42pm

Zulubaby, I love this: "Raving, ranting lunatics."

It says it all.

The RoPMA and "Raving, ranting lunatics."

467 Colt  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:15:59pm

#462 piglet

or full democratic elections in 6 months

In Wahhabistan? I can see that backfiring...

468 Colt  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:22:08pm

...It can take a matter of months...

469 Colt  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:25:36pm

G'night, all. It's 2:25 AM GMT, so, you know, I'm tired :-)

470 Anant  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:25:49pm

#454 andthenblammo

Yeah, I find that thought pretty funny, too. But, pray tell, who on this thread has actually said such a thing?

There are a very small number of people (like myself) who think that invading Iraq at this time was strategically incorrect, in light of other threats we face, but I don't think anyone has said that invading Iraq was morally wrong.

But yeah, you're right, it is a very funny thought....

471 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:26:17pm

steve miller, doesn't that describe them though? When I think they can no longer shock me with the poison that comes out of their mouths, well ... there they go again. It's mind-boggling.

472 HULUGU  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:29:37pm

#416 occasional reader--prince bandar's mother was a house slave/concubine of his father prince sultan and of the dusky persuasion--the arab slave trade in blacks is well known as theextensive use as slaves in saudi arabia as companions and harem schtups--in fact they didn't abolish slavery until 1962 and the arab street word for blacks is abd or abeed which means slave in the vernacular

473 quark2saneininsaneworld  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:42:30pm

zulubaby:

Please don't hit me, Roger Simon had the following linked on his website.

Spew Alert!!!!

[Link: shterzer.com...]

474 NTropy  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:43:57pm

#451 The Real Travis

Are you from The OC Orange County?


Indeed. Within walking distance of the expanding Richard Nixon Library. I did enjoy some of the South Bay (Descendents / Ch 3) and Huntington Beach (Crowd / Vandals) bands.

I miss some of the very cool venues. Perkin's Palace, Cuckoo's Nest, Fender's Ballroom etc. The new places may offer a better sound but they just don't have the personality.

475 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:46:47pm

quark2, why would I ever want to hit you!?

476 quark2  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 4:58:40pm

OT

Misha has more pictures of nazikoranimals on his website.

[Link: nicedoggie.net...]

477 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 5:08:13pm

HULUGU (#472)

in fact they didn't abolish slavery until 1962 and the arab street word for blacks is abd or abeed which means slave in the vernacular

I never knew that was an Arabic word but somehow it found its way into South African slang. Charming.

478 quark2  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 5:08:47pm

@475 zulubaby

Did you read that link? It is disgusting.

479 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 5:23:35pm

quark2, I did read it, but nothing in this world would make me want to hit you! Hugs, rather :-)

480 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 5:30:28pm

steve miller-

And I didn't expect to see Detroit become a ghost town and a third-world shantytown

too late!

481 Baldy  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 5:31:31pm

It is an elegant site, Charles.

482 quark2  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 5:33:30pm

@479 zulubaby

Phew! *lol

483 quark2  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 5:42:39pm

Before leaving this thread so graciously offered by Charles, I would like to add my congratulations on another website well done.

484 Right Wing Conspirator  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 5:54:33pm

#444 mickthemick

LOL. Exactly what I was thinking when I was reading Colts post.

485 L.A. Dude  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 6:05:31pm

As a big Bush supporter, the book cover rubs me the wrong way. Anyone think the silhouette with one arm raised is a little creepy? Maybe a leftist graphic designer is trying to insidiously advance his own ends through a pro-Bush book by implying etc., etc... Either that, or it was an oversight.

Charles, I'm a big fan and know you're sensitive to the Jews' historical memory, as is the author Podhoretz, a Jew himself.

I hope I'm wrong on this.

486 Camel Prophet  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 6:11:21pm

quark2:

More muslims-did-everything-good-first BS:

[Link: www.islamic-paths.org...]

I think their contribution to world history is worse than that of mosquitoes.

MAKE WAR ON ISLAM

487 evariste  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 6:16:37pm

L.A. Dude, that's a stretch.

488 L.A. Dude  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 6:24:36pm

evariste, I hope you're right. It was just a thought. Like I said, I'm behind GWB, and I want him to be portrayed accurately and well.

489 Annelid[deleted]  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 6:27:57pm
490 HULUGU  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 6:55:13pm

#477--zb--that's probably from your south african indian muslim community--traders/store owners--who got it from their arab/muslim brethren--also isn't kaffir a corruption of kufr used as a south african put down--probably the same source code--lovely

491 zulubaby  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:17:45pm
also isn't kaffir a corruption of kufr used as a south african put down

Yes, but I didn't realize the source of that either. All I know is that it is without question my least favourite word. I can't even say it, it's so derogatory. I remember the first time I saw it used here, on LGF, I freaked out, I couldn't believe that people were using it! It's the worst thing to call someone -- where I come from anyway.

492 SoCalJustice  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 7:27:49pm

(#491) zulubaby

All I know is that it is without question my least favourite word.

My stepmother's father (stepgrandfather?? - he passed away about 4 years ago) used that word with amazing frequency. Definitely a generational thing.

493 Random Numbers  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 10:31:20pm

I just hope this book will be available at Book of the Month.

494 Dustin Hill  Tue, Feb 17, 2004 11:11:52pm

Spotted the counter. Call it "what drives conservatives crazy."

[Link: www.annoy.com...]

495 BW  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 1:27:53am

Some serious old punksters on this thread.

For what it's worth, my brother stole my birthday money many years ago to buy a ticket for Stiff Little Fingers. Or was it UK Subs? I seem to remember he also had a green vinyl Dickies album - something about toothbrushes.

Not strictly relevant to the War On Terror but a point I felt had to be aired...

496 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 2:03:43am
Democrats in Congress owe Federal Election Commission Chairman Bradley Smith an apology. The man they once called "Dracula" and tried to banish from Washington may now save their ability to keep raising millions of dollars in "soft money" to defeat President Bush this November. And properly so.

The FEC meets today to consider whether to rein in the nation's newest political fund-raising machines, known in Beltway parlance as "527s" (after a section in the IRS code). The 2002 campaign-finance "reform" has handcuffed political parties, so these groups have become everyone's favorite new outlet for raising unlimited cash for advertising and political activities. Liberal activists have exploited the 527 trend first, with George Soros and other high rollers pledging millions to a network of groups that amounts to a shadow Democratic Party. .....

.....If nothing else, this 527 hypocrisy is helping to expose the folly of "campaign-finance reform." Far from banishing money from politics, McCain-Feingold has merely moved it out of the major parties and into the political shadows where it is less accountable.

Howard Dean learned this the hard way during the recent Iowa caucuses, where he found himself pounded by TV ads sponsored by a mysterious 527 calling itself Americans for Jobs, Health Care and Progressive Values. The ads took the bark off the Vermont governor and certainly contributed to his defeat.

At the time voters speculated that the group was allied with Dick Gephardt, but only recently have we all learned that one of the men behind that 527 was none other than former New Jersey Senator Robert Torricelli, who just so happens to be a fund-raiser for John Kerry, his old Senate pal. Readers may recall that Mr. Torricelli was run out of the Senate for his fund-raising misdeeds.

The answer to this isn't for reformers to chase their tails with ever more fund-raising rules. The solution consistent with political accountability and American traditions is to let everyone contribute whatever they want, subject only to immediate disclosure on the Internet. Of course this is what Mr. Smith has been trying to tell them all along.

Campaign Finance Follies

497 Ed Moran:Abu Not French Looking  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 2:05:48am

I am disappointed. I was hoping that schools in Nassau county would be cancelled for snow today, and I was so wrong. How bitter.


Meanwhile, temps low to mid 20s in South Texas today, I will be wearing only a light jacket over my t-shirt. Cool this morning, about 6, but the strengthening late February sun will do its magic.


103 days to Atlantic Basin Tropical Cyclone Season. HOU didn't break its 14 year plus measurable snow drought in winter 2003-2004, will HOU break its 18 year + direct hit by a major tropical cyclone drought in Hurricane Season 2004?

498 Bubbaman  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 2:26:55am

FBI celebrating 9/11

If this article is factual - we're on a sinking ship. G-d help us.

499 V the K  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 2:39:56am
500 Frank IBC  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 2:52:28am

Bubbaman:

Fire 'em all. Every last one of them.

Replace them with...I don't know...maybe the Pinkertons. I'm sure they could do better.

501 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 3:13:12am

Wonder when they'll just go ahead and rename the Democratic party the Clinton party?

....."If Bill wants Hillary on the bottom of the ticket, all he has to do is make a few phone calls -- Kerry would have little to say in the matter if it got that far," says a DNC fundraiser. "Kerry may think he's going to be running things, but he's in for a rude awakening."

Kerry is pulling in more money now than he was a month ago, to be sure. But by conservative estimates, he will have about $40 million to spend between now and the convention. That is about a third of what the Bush campaign has to spend over the same period.

"The only way Kerry keeps up is with the help of guys like McEntee and the 527s, which are also funded by organized labor," says a Democratic pollster in Washington. "That money from those groups puts Kerry at about the same level as Bush. Without that money, Kerry isn't in the race for very long. He doesn't know it yet, but he has already been bought by the Clinton wing of the Democratic Party.".....

An Offer Kerry Can’t Refuse

502 V the K  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 4:01:36am

OT: Useful Info for the Next Time Gordo, TWiTn, Clintonista or some troll claims Bush was a "deserter"

Choice Excerpts:

The controversy over Bush's service centers on what his critics call "the period in question," that is, the time from May 1972 until May 1973. What is not mentioned as often is that that period was in fact Bush's fifth year in the Guard, one that followed four years of often intense service. ... The records indicate that, despite his move to Alabama, Bush met his obligation to the Guard in the 1972-73 year. At that time, Guardsmen were awarded points based on the days they reported for duty each year. They were given 15 points just for being in the Guard, and were then required to accumulate a total of 50 points to satisfy the annual requirement. In his first four years of service, Bush piled up lots of points; he earned 253 points in his first year, 340 in his second, 137 in his third, and 112 in his fourth. For the year from May 1972 to May 1973, records show Bush earned 56 points, a much smaller total, but more than the minimum requirement.

During that period Bush's superiors gave him consistently high ratings as a pilot. "Lt. Bush is an exceptional fighter interceptor pilot and officer," wrote one in a 1972 evaluation. Another evaluation, in 1971, called Bush "an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot" who "continually flies intercept missions with the unit to increase his proficiency even further." And a third rating, in 1970, said Bush "clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot" and was also "a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership."
Ask retired Brig. Gen. William Turnipseed whether the press has accurately reported what he said about George W. Bush, and you'll get an earful. "No, I don't think they have," he begins. Turnipseed, the former head of the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group of the Alabama Air National Guard, was widely quoted as saying he never saw Bush in Alabama in 1972, and if the future president had been there, he would remember. In fact, Turnipseed says, he doesn't recall whether Bush was there or not; the young flier, then a complete unknown in Alabama, was never part of the 900-man 187th, so Turnipseed wouldn't have had much reason to notice him. But most reporters haven't been interested in Turnipseed's best recollection. "They don't understand the Guard, they don't want to understand the Guard, and they hate Bush," he says. "So when I say, ‘There's a good possibility that Bush showed up,' why would they put that in their articles?"


You can make all kinds of legitimate criticisms of Bush --- for spending money like a crackwhore with a stolen credit card, for caving into democrats at every turn, for letting Norm Mineta turn air security into an incompetent boondoggle... But the National Guard canard is utter and complete bullsh*t. (And the democrats making the allegations know this... they are just proving themselves to be lying scumbuckets.)

503 Free Speech Is Only For Uber-Libs  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 4:08:18am

Nice work!

504 Transfinite Cardinal  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 4:50:42am

#296 RWC,


I just use the quote function and insert text.
505 Transfinite Cardinal  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:20:29am

...

506 Ed Moran abu Snowless in NYC  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:24:02am

505


I agree.

507 Transfinite Cardinal  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:26:39am

< Strike > < /Arafat >

508 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:30:25am

#507 Transfinite Cardinal

Arafat?

That's my line!

509 Transfinite Cardinal  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:32:45am

Ed,
I hope that you are feeling better, I am such a computer Illiterate that I can't follow the simple rules on how to strike a word - please educate this illiterate.

510 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:37:19am

#509 TC

It's the same process as making something bold, but instead of the b's, type in strike with the text you wish to strike in between.

511 Transfinite Cardinal  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:38:22am

Folks,
Please explain to this middle aged person on how to cancel Arafat - in kindergarden language, I am ashamed to be such a moron.

512 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:41:26am

TC then try this.

Hit the blue 'Bold' that's above the comment box; then when a box appears top left, hit OK. Instead of the 'b's, use strike. Help?

513 RIP Ford  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:41:40am

#509 Transfinite Cardinal

< strike >Arafat< /strike >

You need to remove the spaces that I added inbetween the

514 evariste  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:43:19am

Transfinite Cardinal (delightful nick!)-here, try this: click quote, type Arafat into the box, click OK. Now, replace both instances of the word "blockquote" with the word "strike". Voila!

515 Transfinite Cardinal  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:43:21am

JD,
I do not know how to make text bold - I badly want to cancel Arafat - please help me.

516 RIP Ford  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:43:30am

D'oh!

You need to remove the spaces I added in that whole line.

517 evariste  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:44:31am

LOL! A jinx on all of you.

518 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:48:27am

#515 TC

Try my method in #512 again.

I know you can do it!!!!

519 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:51:15am

evariste

Can you 'splain it to TC?


TC - the 'comment box' is the box you type in. Bold is above the box. Replace both b's with strike.

520 Transfinite Cardinal  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:53:11am

#514, Evariste,

"Arafat"
521 evariste  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:56:24am

Woohoo! You got it! :-)

522 J.D.  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 5:59:40am

TC

Yea!! I knew you could do it!!!!!

523 Transfinite Cardinal  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 6:01:48am

Thanks Evariste!!! & everyone who tried to shove this procedure into a computationally dense head.
I cancelled

Arafat
524 Geepers  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 6:06:55am

Transfinite Cardinal (#520),

Good show.

There are lots of tags you can substitute in addition to blockquote, strike, b, i, etc.

So if you see a post that ends with something like / moonbat you'll know its a reference to turning off an imaginary 'moonbat' tag.

525 Gordon  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 6:19:56am

#502 V the K: I've never said Bush was a "deserter." If I had been a rich kid in the 1960's I would have done, or tried to do, exactly what he did.

I've never even called him a chicken hawk.

On the other hand, his flight jacket routine aboard the repositioned Abraham Lincoln was shameful.

Got any thoughts on that episode?

526 Transfinite Cardinal  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 6:20:03am

Thanks a lot folks,
Evariste - you got a delightful nic yourself - is it not the first name of the founder of Group Theory - modern algebra - who got killed in a duel over a whore?? I might be totally wrong - my school tried to teach it to me when I was 17 yrs old & I never understood it - I am a person who loves Mathematics - I was good at it & still add & subtract numbers in my head - I just could not get Calculus - The mother of modern Mathematics - I got the nic from reading Rudy Rucker's book on Cantor - I could understand the Reflection Principle - I could understand it up to Mahlo Cardinals - after that zilch - I love that book - Russel's paradox - Burali Forti paradox etc..

527 Gordon  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 6:22:12am

#502 V the K: One hole in the story: they forgot to talk to Bush's other commander during his National Guard Service, General Marvin Carrotroot.

528 RIP Ford  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 6:34:47am

#520 Transfinite Cardinal

Jolly good show.

529 Transfinite Cardinal  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 6:46:45am

# 528 RIP ford - Thanks & good day / night which it is for me - thanks for enlightening me.

530 Geepers  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 6:50:45am

Gordon (#525),

On the other hand, his flight jacket routine aboard the repositioned Abraham Lincoln was shameful.

Gordon, are you still going on about how aircraft carrier position themselves for takeoff and landing of planes? Isn't that just about the epitome of "shameful" behavior?

I'm sure you're equally incensed about all photo op politicization of the armed forces?

CinC aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt

531 quark2  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 6:52:45am

Way OT but important notice

Virus Name:
-------------------
W32.Netsky.B@mm


Alias:
-------------------
Worm.Moodown.b


E-mail Subject:
-------------------
unknown
fake
stolen
information
warning
something for you
read it immediately
hello


E-mail Body:
-------------------
(varies)


E-mail Attachments:
-------------------
(varies)


Description:
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When W32.Netsky@mm runs, it does the following:


Creates a mutex named "AdmSkynetJKIS003." This mutex allows only one
instance of the worm to execute in memory.


Displays a dialog box with the text:

The file could not be opened!


Copies itself as %Windir%services.exe.


-------------------------------------------------- ----------------------
--------
Note: %Windir% is a variable. The worm locates the Windows installation
folder (by default, this is C:Windows or C:Winnt) and copies itself to
that location.
-------------------------------------------------- ----------------------
--------


Adds the value:

"service" = "%Windir%services.exe -serv"

to the registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurr entVersionRun

so that the worm runs when you start Windows.


Deletes the values:

"Taskmon"
"Explorer"

from the registry keys:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurr entVersionRun
HKEY_CURRENT_USERSOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurre ntVersionRunServices


Deletes the values:

"KasperskyAV"
"System."

from the registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurr entVersionRun


Deletes the registry key:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOTCLSID{E6FB5E20-DE35-11CF-9C87-0 0AA005127ED}InProcSer
ver32


Retrieves email addresses from the files with the following file
extensions:

msg
oft
sht
dbx
tbb
adb
doc
wab
asp
uin
rtf
vbs
html
htm
pl
php
txt
eml

Searches drives C through Z for folder names containing the words
"Share" or "Sharing." If the drive is not a CD-ROM, the worm copies
itself as the following:

doom2.doc.pif
sex sex sex sex.doc.exe
rfc compilation.doc.exe
dictionary.doc.exe
win longhorn.doc.exe
e.book.doc.exe
programming basics.doc.exe
how to hack.doc.exe
max payne 2.crack.exe
e-book.archive.doc.exe
virii.scr
nero.7.exe
eminem - lick my pussy.mp3.pif
cool screensaver.scr
serial.txt.exe
office_crack.exe
hardcore porn.jpg.exe
angels.pif
porno.scr
matrix.scr
photoshop 9 crack.exe
strippoker.exe
dolly_buster.jpg.pif
winxp_crack.exe

532 quark2  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 6:57:02am

UPdate and outta here:

Taking the other half to the VA hospital for a follow up and his prescription drugs.


Oh yeah...Gordo.....shaddup.

533 Smit  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 6:59:16am

quark2 {deep intake of breath} ohhh you broke the thread - I'm gonna tell...

Reads up the thread Arafat is cancelled??? Who cancelled him? Is he dead yet?

Don't play with me guys...

534 RIP Ford  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 7:00:09am

#529 Transfinite Cardinal

No problem. It was how I learned the process a couple of months ago.

#532 quark2

Good luck, I hope the VA is not too far of a trek from your neck of the woods.

535 V the K  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 7:01:13am

Geepers -- responding to Gordo's inflammatory rhetoric is like handing a copy of Penthouse Forum to a 14 year old boy.

536 evariste  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 7:01:43am

Transfinite Cardinal-LOL, yup :-) Strictly, she wasn't a prostitute and he died I think almost a month after the duel, the duel wounded him but shitty medicine is really what killed him. Stephanie was the daughter of a cholera doctor.

537 evariste  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 7:03:03am

V the K-and a bottle of scotch, and the keys to your Porsche.

538 Geepers  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 7:17:42am

evariste, V the K, Um dudes, that ain't all that uncommon in certain neighborhoods. ;-)

539 John Gibbon  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 7:40:56am

#525 Gordo, Gordo, Gordo....

Have you not read the US Constitution? The President of the United States is also the Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces...

Article II, Sec 2

And he can do anything he wants to welcome sailors on a US Navy Ship home.

Now,...I know you are gonna tell me that he was delaying their return from sea by a day. You know what, those sailors had nothing to complain about considering how short their relatively safe war tour was in a war zone. Compare that to the NG units and Active Army Units that have been in the thick of things in central Iraq for up to 9 months. But President Bush took care of that on Thanksgiving.

given the chance to delay my return from a war zone to meet the President, I would.

540 evariste  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 7:57:30am

Geepers :-) Certain Kennedy-thick areas of Mass.?

541 V the K  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 7:59:54am
that ain't all that uncommon in certain neighborhoods. ;-)

Mr. Rogers: Howdy, Neighbor. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. Have some Scotch... it's single malt... Today we're going to talk about 'money shots' Do you know what a money shot is?

542 evariste  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 9:46:21am

Vike, LOL!

543 Geepers  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 10:00:56am

Boy George Marilyn Manson Settles Civil Suit

Security guard Joshua Keasler was working on the stage during a July 2001 performance in Detroit when Manson allegedly approached him, wrapped his legs around the guard's neck and gyrated against him while wearing only a leather thong and panty hose.

"I can now go on with my life and try to close this unhappy chapter," Keasler said.

Remember when punks were bad asses? Not pretty boys in make up trying to act bad?

And remember when roadies were even bigger bad asses? Not wussy boys with feelings that got hurt by guys wearing thongs?

What's the world coming to?

544 Maine's Michael  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 12:24:22pm

Re: Bush as a great prez:

Yeah, but what about N. Korea, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the pali "authourity' and France?

Home come they get a free pass?

545 Steverino  Wed, Feb 18, 2004 4:01:27pm
On the other hand, his flight jacket routine aboard the repositioned Abraham Lincoln was shameful.

It wasn't directed at the US. Well, maybe partially for the benefit of the servicemen. But mostly, it was directed at the Islamoids who think the US is weak. It was to show them that the US has a strong leader.

Saddam Hussein used to appear in public firing off rifles and shotguns. Other Middle Eastern leaders have made similar displays of "force". Bush one-upped them big time.

The carrier landing was a slap in their faces.

546 Gordon  Thu, Feb 19, 2004 10:58:29am

#539 John Gibbon: I never said what Flight-Jacket-boy did was illegal or unconstitutional.

Just shameful.

547 Ed Moran abu Sunny, near 25 in HOU  Thu, Feb 19, 2004 12:05:38pm

546

Did you visit the link in Geeper's post?


I guess it was shameful for Clinton also. (As site correctly points out in varying pictures, servicemen around GWB are smiling, servicemen around WJC don't look happy).

548 Ed Moran abu Sunny, near 25 in HOU  Thu, Feb 19, 2004 12:06:28pm

What happened to last year's Gordon?

549 Athos  Thu, Feb 19, 2004 12:43:13pm

There's Gordo again - now on Rocky Mountain time - trying to toss another bash or two on an older post.

What a maroon.


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