Kepler: Searching for Another Earth

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The $591 million Kepler mission launched successfully last night, and will soon begin looking for Earth-like planets in other solar systems.

The Delta II rocket carrying the Kepler planet-hunting spacecraft lifted off on time at 10:49 p.m. EST from Launch Complex 17-B at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida. The spectacular nighttime launch followed a smooth countdown free of technical issues or weather concerns.

Kepler’s mission: to peer closely at a patch of space for at least three-and-a-half years, looking for rocky planets similar our own. The spacecraft will target an area rich with stars like our sun, watching for a slight dimming in the starlight as planets slip through the space between.

Image credit: NASA/Jack Pfaller

Some facts about the mission, from the NASA website:

* Kepler is the world’s first mission with the ability to find true Earth analogs — planets that orbit stars like our sun in the “habitable zone.” The habitable zone is the region around a star where the temperature is just right for water — an essential ingredient for life as we know it — to pool on a planet’s surface.

* By the end of Kepler’s three-and-one-half-year mission, it will give us a good idea of how common or rare other Earths are in our Milky Way galaxy. This will be an important step in answering the age-old question: Are we alone?

* Kepler detects planets by looking for periodic dips in the brightness of stars. Some planets pass in front of their stars as seen from our point of view on Earth; when they do, they cause their stars to dim slightly, an event Kepler can see.

* Kepler has the largest camera ever launched into space, a 95-megapixel array of charge-coupled devices, or CCDs, like those in everyday digital cameras.

* Kepler’s telescope is so powerful that, from its view up in space, it could detect one person in a small town turning off a porch light at night.

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474 comments
1 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:35:45am

Another Earth? That's all the world needs...

2 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:37:03am

We might find new alien life for Chairman Obama to tax.

3 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:37:28am

re: #2 Killgore Trout

We might find new alien life for Chairman Obama to tax.

Gravity Tax AND Anti-Gravity Tax

4 ornery elephant  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:37:48am
— Kepler’s telescope is so powerful that, from its view up in space, it could detect one person in a small town turning off a porch light at night.

And yet, with that kind of telescopic power, there STILL will be no sign of intelligent life detected in The White House

5 HelloDare  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:38:28am

So Obama can be the president of that Earth instead of this one? Good plan.

6 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:38:43am

re: #4 ornery elephant

And yet, with that kind of telescopic power, there STILL will be no sign of intelligent life detected in The White House

You don't even need a telescope to see Al Gore turn on his porch lights, all 7000 of them.

7 Occasional Reader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:38:45am

The way things are going, we're gonna need it!

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:39:14am

How about another earth that is the alternate of this one? You know, the one where Rahm Emmanuel has the little goatee? Then we can send Obama there to deal with that reality. I'll bet he doesn't do nearly as good as Kirk did.

9 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:40:02am

It's in the alternate universe....the one that the moonbats come from.

10 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:40:11am

re: #8 EmmmieG

How about another earth that is the alternate of this one? You know, the one where Rahm Emmanuel has the little goatee? Then we can send Obama there to deal with that reality. I'll bet he doesn't do nearly as good as Kirk did.

I thought we already had the "bad" Rahm...you mean there one that even worse in the alternate universe?

11 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:40:34am
12 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:40:36am

Here's my problem:

I'm starting to write an essay which simply outlines my personal political philosophy. The reason I'm doing it is because I don't feel confortable with the label "left" or "right," and I want to make a statement to break free from the old framework. But the sticking point is: I'm looking for a "name" for this philosophy, and I still don't have one.

(As to what exactly this philosophy will be -- well, I haven't written the essay yet, but it's not much different than the typical "9/11 neocon" or from most people here: hawkish on foreign policy, laissez-faire on social issues; strongly against extremism at either end of the political spectrum, pro-freedom, anti-totalitarian, complete rejection of Marxism and fascism, strongly pro-Constitution but not chauvinistic or xenophobic in my pro-Americanism, anti-discrimination, pro free speech, etc. etc. -- you know the drill.)

What I'm tired of doing is defining myself in terms of what I am not, or in terms of what I oppose. And more importantly, I'm tired of using co-opted, hackneyed and spoiled political terminology. But after a great deal of thought, I'm absolutely convinced that I need a name of some kind to describe what exactly I am. And it needs to be a fresh word -- not necessarily a newly coined word, but a word that isn't already completely tainted with prior associations.

And so to my problem: The word needs to be able to function as both an adjective and a noun. Consider:

I am a conservative. I have conservative ideals.
I am a progressive. I have progressive ideals.
I am a libertarian. I have libertarian ideals.
I am a radical. I have radical ideals.
I am a liberal. I have liberal ideals.
I am a reactionary. I have reactionary ideals.
I am a revolutionary. I have revolutionary ideals.

See how, in every instance, the defining word can be used as a noun or as an adjective? That's what I need. A word with that flexibilitty, but which is fresh, and yet can somehow be affixed to my philosophy.

I tossing this out there to gather some suggestions. The best example of a recently coined political term is "progressive," which existed as a word prior to its political meaning, but was given a new definition -- and which functions as both adjective and noun, and has a ring of positivity (which complete disguises its true nature, but that's a different story).

Concepts that appeal to me, around which you can muster your thinking, include:

Balance, freedom, rational, forward, obvious, sensible ... (...I know these are fairly limp -- that's why I need help!)

Concepts I'm trying to stay away from include:

centrist, middle, conservative, liberal, left, right ...

(And please, don't say we need to "reclaim" the word "liberal" or "classical liberalism." That's already been suggested to me a hundred times. I need something new. Also, don't tell to simply admit that I'm "conservative"; there will be many specific policy positions in my essay which are distinctly not old-school conservative.)

Note that almost all pre-existing political adjective/noun labels have one of these four endings:

-ive
-al
-tionary
-ian

We may have to end up with one of these endings, but if you see a different way of formulating the word -- go for it.

Put on your thinking caps! What suggestions do you have?

13 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:41:01am

Yes, I did try to think of Uhura's counterpart. There really aren't any prominent women in the Democratic party leadership to answer.

Really.

14 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:41:06am

Oh heck, somebody will just claim it's footage from this planet.

15 Occasional Reader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:41:44am

re: #8 EmmmieG

How about another earth that is the alternate of this one? You know, the one where Rahm Emmanuel has the little goatee?

On that one, President amabO is busy cutting taxes, strengthening ties with real allies, and the F-22s are just returning to base after having smashed Iran's nuclear facilities.

Hm... any room for me on that rocket?

16 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:41:48am

I hope the new one has better lighting. And a bigger smoking section.

17 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:42:13am

re: #14 screaming_eagle

Oh heck, somebody will just claim it's footage from this planet.

Filmed on the same set they used for the "so-called lunar landings", no doubt....

18 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:43:33am

re: #17 Desert Dog

Filmed on the same set they used for the "so-called lunar landings", no doubt....

Heck they be able to use rural Montana for this footage. Till us evil humans show up to wreck the place.

19 Ziggy Standard  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:44:26am

I wonder who'll be the first to post a comment along the lines of:

Stupid Nasa launching a silly telescope to look for dumb-ass planets just so their buddy Al GoracleMcWarmening can save aliens from the effects of their own farts?//

20 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:44:27am

re: #18 screaming_eagle

Heck they be able to use rural Montana for this footage. Till us evil humans show up to wreck the place.

There are some places in Arizona that they would not have to alter at all to make people think it's the moon...and that's just in Tempe

21 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:44:40am

It's so exciting- we'll be finding new planets! This could change everything.

22 Occasional Reader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:46:24am
Kepler detects planets by looking for periodic dips in the brightness of stars.

We shouldn't be paying attention to the day-to-day gyrations in the brightness of stars.

-Astronomer Obama

23 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:46:46am

re: #20 Desert Dog

There are some places in Arizona that they would not have to alter at all to make people think it's the moon...and that's just in Tempe

Heck you could film people in San Fransico and they would be alien to much of the country.

24 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:46:56am

re: #12 zombie

I'm kickass. I have kickass ideals.

25 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:47:25am

The funny thing is, most people are far more familiar with science fiction than with actual science. So I'd bet if you ask the average American, they'd think that we've already seen any number of other planets with ecosystems on them. After all, we as a culture have been watching Star Trek and the Alien series and countless TV shows and movies and video games and books and more which all are based on the concept of there being other habitable planets in the Universe.

26 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:47:32am
27 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:47:34am

re: #12 zombie

Quitruiningmylifeian........too long?

28 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:47:35am

Just thinking - if this mission had been planned for 2011, I bet PB0 would have cancelled it because it was unaffordable ...

29 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:47:42am

re: #24 ConservatismNow!

I'm kickass. I have kickass ideals.

The Kickass party.....catchy, very catchy.....

Vote for us, or we will kick your ass

30 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:47:48am

re: #24 ConservatismNow!

I'm kickass. I have kickass ideals.

Kickass.

I'll add it to the list.

31 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:47:48am

This is a good time to watch James Burke's episode of The Day The Universe Changed, titled "Infinitely Reasonable" (link goes to YouTube multi-video playlist of the episode), for a refresher course in how our current astronomical knowledge developed.

Another good free onilne video available on YouTube on the development of our astronomical knowledge is the History Channel's The Universe: Beyond The Big Bang.

32 Pygmalienation  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:47:49am

Way cool! Now this is the sort of thing I want my tax dollars to go for. Best of luck NASA!

33 Shug  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:47:57am

Kepler's telescope is so powerful it can see Obama's Accomplisments from 100 feet

34 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:47:57am

re: #4 ornery elephant

And yet, with that kind of telescopic power, there STILL will be no sign of intelligent life detected in The White House

I predict that the Water Dog will be the smartest & most trustworthy inhabitant in the White House.

35 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:48:08am

re: #12 zombie

Thinking very hard ...

36 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:48:08am

(((((ornery elephant)))))

37 Occasional Reader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:48:10am

re: #12 zombie

Note that almost all pre-existing political adjective/noun labels have one of these four endings:

-ive
-al
-tionary
-ian

Go for broke, and define yourself as an "Ivealtionaryian".

38 Ziggy Standard  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:48:24am

re: #21 Sharmuta

It's so exciting- we'll be finding new planets! This could change everything.

It is indeed.

Oceans
Juan Ramón Jiménez

I have a feeling that my boat
has struck, down there in the depths,
against a great thing.
And nothing happens!
Nothing...Silence...Waves...
Nothing happens? Or has everything happened,
and are we standing now, quietly, in the new life?

39 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:48:38am

re: #30 zombie

Because nothing else so aptly describes zombie except...kickass.

40 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:48:43am

re: #27 BignJames

Quitruiningmylifeian........too long?

Not bad. But maybe too similar to Getoffamybackianism.

41 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:48:51am

re: #28 yma o hyd

Just thinking - if this mission had been planned for 2011, I bet PB0 would have cancelled it because it was unaffordable ...

No, Obama is just gonna point the telescope at your house.

42 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:49:01am

re: #25 zombie

The funny thing is, most people are far more familiar with science fiction than with actual science. So I'd bet if you ask the average American, they'd think that we've already seen any number of other planets with ecosystems on them. After all, we as a culture have been watching Star Trek and the Alien series and countless TV shows and movies and video games and books and more which all are based on the concept of there being other habitable planets in the Universe.

I'll bet most people don't realize that we are way more likely to discover the kind of life that grows unwanted in the back of your fridge than the kind of life that wears metal bikinis on the cover of a sci-fi book.

/Suppose that would cut the funding?

43 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:49:04am

Ivehadenoughofthiscrapletspullourheadsoutandgovernwithsomesenseforachange-ism

44 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:49:24am

Does anyone remember the book "We Are Not Alone?" Science guy from the NYTs wrote it in the 60s.Always intrigued me.

45 Shug  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:49:33am

Obama wants to find new life forms. And tax them

46 Occasional Reader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:49:36am

re: #29 Desert Dog


Vote for us, or we will kick your ass

Didn't they try that already in the last election?

47 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:49:37am

re: #25 zombie

The funny thing is, most people are far more familiar with science fiction than with actual science. So I'd bet if you ask the average American, they'd think that we've already seen any number of other planets with ecosystems on them. After all, we as a culture have been watching Star Trek and the Alien series and countless TV shows and movies and video games and books and more which all are based on the concept of there being other habitable planets in the Universe.

And a large percentage believe all the REAL science has been faked.

48 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:49:40am

re: #28 yma o hyd

Just thinking - if this mission had been planned for 2011, I bet PB0 would have cancelled it because it was unaffordable ...

...and in the same speech, announcing yet another round of "economic stimulus."

49 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:49:41am

re: #37 Occasional Reader

Go for broke, and define yourself as an "Ivealtionaryian".

That's like having four desserts with no meal!

50 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:50:06am

re: #12 zombie

You are a zombie. You have zombie ideas.

David Chalmers has written about the philosophical conceivability of zombies, and the implications of this for philosophy of mind. His conclusions are full of shit, but the analysis is interesting all the same. The question is what role our emotions, our subjectivity, matters. What if there were zombies who REASONED exactly as we do, but more like a computer does, without feelings? They would be indistinguishable from the outside, he says. What then of our-selves?

So, when I would talk of zombie ideas, I would talk about handling issues rationally, on their own terms, without preconditions. Res ispa loquitur, basically - the thing speaks for itself. Exactly where Chalmers is wrong, is where he imagines that the selfhood is not included in that reasoning, in that rationality. Which is why, in the end, there are no such things as zombies, really, there are just people, agents, with stories and interests, and rational to whatever degree.

--
Of course this entirely begs the question of what you should call your school of thought, but perhaps it will nudge you in one direction or another.

51 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:50:30am

re: #38 Jimmah

Whenever I see news about a new planet having been detected I read the story. It's always a little disappointing to see "artist rendition" instead of a real picture. I want real pictures, damnit!

52 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:50:42am

re: #33 Shug

Kepler's telescope is so powerful it can see Obama's Accomplisments from 100 feet

A magical telescope? WoW , NASA really has been getting the most out of their research.

53 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:50:49am

Just One Request -

Can we keep Earth II Moonbat Free?

-S-

54 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:51:12am

Fantastic! My favorite thread topic..Thanks Charles..
Ok getting links..But to start off..Here is the universe today take on the launch..
[Link: www.universetoday.com...]

55 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:51:13am

re: #43 Desert Dog

Ivehadenoughofthiscrapletspullourheadsoutandgovern withsomesenseforachange-ism

Let's try to keep it under 75 letters.

56 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:51:54am

re: #55 zombie

On the New Earth there are no limits!

57 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:51:57am

re: #12 zombie

enlightened
rational
tolerant
unorthodox

I don't know, Zombie. Found all of those in a thesaurus as synonymous with "liberal".

The syn. for "conservative" you don't even want to hear ( mean, small-minded, etc.)

You may need to coin a new word or a two-word phrase might be more descriptive.

58 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:52:06am
Kepler’s telescope is so powerful that, from its view up in space, it could detect one person in a small town turning off a porch light at night.

Maybe it can find the waste and fraud in government contracting, which after all is also the size of a planet but has so far eluded detection.

59 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:52:14am

re: #43 Desert Dog

Ivehadenoughofthiscrapletspullourheadsoutandgovern withsomesenseforachange-ism

Will that fit on a bumper-sticker?

60 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:52:31am

re: #34 opnion

I predict that the Water Dog will be the smartest & most trustworthy inhabitant in the White House.

If the dog doesn't get thrown out for not being able to stand the 0bamas.

(Our daughter just went off to Maryland where her boyfriend is completing the State Police academy, and she's starting a job as case manager for a drug court. He passed ALL the dog tests; even our pickiest dogs liked him.)

61 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:53:00am

re: #41 screaming_eagle

No, Obama is just gonna point the telescope at your house.

He can point all he likes, teeheehee - my head of state is the Queen.

62 Occasional Reader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:53:07am

re: #50 itellu3times

Of course this entirely begs the question of what you should call your school of thought

My reaction.

63 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:53:24am

re: #4 ornery elephant

And yet, with that kind of telescopic power, there STILL will be no sign of intelligent life detected in The White House

* * *
Please don't misunderestimate the intelligence of those who bamboozled America's best & brightest, and our intelligentsia.

Change--evolution from "primitive" President Bush--is what this White House promised & delivered, all right.

Spare any change?

64 Occasional Reader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:53:31am

re: #55 zombie

Let's try to keep it under 75 letters.

You just lost the German vote right there.

65 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:53:54am

re: #55 zombie

Let's try to keep it under 75 letters.

zombie -

President Obama will lift restrictions on Embryonic Stem Cell Research on Monday. Discussion? (Hope I made the 75 letter cutoff)

-S-

66 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:54:20am

Dr. C has a big 3 part series on his blog discussing the 3 pillars of the Big Bang theory.. In depth and comprehensive..nice read.
[Link: coraifeartaigh.wordpress.com...]

67 Ziggy Standard  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:54:27am

re: #50 itellu3times

I think we all have a zombie in us. Who is it that rides our bike for us and drives our car while we are away in another world thinking about the 'chinese room' problem? It's our on-board zombie.

68 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:54:28am

re: #50 itellu3times

You are a zombie. You have zombie ideas.

David Chalmers has written about the philosophical conceivability of zombies, and the implications of this for philosophy of mind. His conclusions are full of shit, but the analysis is interesting all the same. The question is what role our emotions, our subjectivity, matters. What if there were zombies who REASONED exactly as we do, but more like a computer does, without feelings? They would be indistinguishable from the outside, he says. What then of our-selves?

So, when I would talk of zombie ideas, I would talk about handling issues rationally, on their own terms, without preconditions. Res ispa loquitur, basically - the thing speaks for itself. Exactly where Chalmers is wrong, is where he imagines that the selfhood is not included in that reasoning, in that rationality. Which is why, in the end, there are no such things as zombies, really, there are just people, agents, with stories and interests, and rational to whatever degree.

--
Of course this entirely begs the question of what you should call your school of thought, but perhaps it will nudge you in one direction or another.

I'm seeing variants on the word "rational" in there several times, along with "agents" and "reasoning." Hmmm....

69 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:54:33am

re: #42 EmmmieG

I'll bet most people don't realize that we are way more likely to discover the kind of life that grows unwanted in the back of your fridge than the kind of life that wears metal bikinis on the cover of a sci-fi book.

/Suppose that would cut the funding?

Aww - what a pity.
So they should have saved all that money and spent it on fridge-patrols?

////

70 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:54:43am

re: #26 MandyManners

This is better.

71 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:55:16am

re: #62 Occasional Reader

My reaction.

That raises a funny routine.

72 Dirk Diggler  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:56:36am

"We shouldn't be spending all of this money on space exploration. We could better use that money here on Earth to end poverty and provide health care to all citizens of the world."

Princeton economist Peter Singer actually made a variation of that argument on "Real Time with Bill Maher" last night. Naturally he got a round of applause for that crowd pleasing crap. Sure Mr. Singer let's call off the space race until we have eradicated of poverty and granted universal access to health care for every person on this planet.

Really why does human civilization needs space exploration anyway? I mean the dinosaurs didn't have space exploration. Look how that worked out for them?

73 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:56:38am

re: #12 zombie

Got it:

Realitarian!

74 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:57:03am

re: #60 Kosh's Shadow

If the dog doesn't get thrown out for not being able to stand the 0bamas.

(Our daughter just went off to Maryland where her boyfriend is completing the State Police academy, and she's starting a job as case manager for a drug court. He passed ALL the dog tests; even our pickiest dogs liked him.)

Dogs know. THey just are able to get a grip on people. The Obama dog will love the children, but dislike Barry, & freaking hate Michelle.

75 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:57:27am

re: #61 yma o hyd

He can point all he likes, teeheehee - my head of state is the Queen.

yma o hyd -

Give Good Quen Bess my best.

-S-

76 Ziggy Standard  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:57:41am

re: #51 Sharmuta

Whenever I see news about a new planet having been detected I read the story. It's always a little disappointing to see "artist rendition" instead of a real picture. I want real pictures, damnit!

I think it's possible, but would require vast telescopes, or maybe a huge network of them. Maybe an astonomer here can give us the skinny on exactly what it would take to get a decent photo of a planet that was say 20 light years away?

77 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:57:47am

re: #57 reine.de.tout

enlightened
rational
tolerant
unorthodox

I don't know, Zombie. Found all of those in a thesaurus as synonymous with "liberal".

The syn. for "conservative" you don't even want to hear ( mean, small-minded, etc.)

Even the thesaurus is Gramscian!

"Enlightened" sounds too religious.
"Rational" I already have on the list.
"Tolerant" -- too limiting in its definition.
"Unorthodox" -- trying to avoid "Un-" or "Non-" words.

You may need to coin a new word or a two-word phrase might be more descriptive.

I've been trying! That's why I asked here.

78 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:57:55am

re: #73 yma o hyd

But realists don't give any thought to concepts like pride, liberty, and justice. They just do what is realistic.

79 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:58:33am

re: #29 Desert Dog

The Kickass party.....catchy, very catchy.....

Vote for us, or we will kick your ass

* * * *
Remember when candidate George Bush wanted to kick a little (Geraldine Ferraro) ass? Democrats got vapors & fainted.

(But Bill Clinton's cigar licking was fine by them.)
(And tacky Obama talking about putting lipstick on a (presumably Palin) pig was FINE by sexist anti-Palin democrats.)

80 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:59:15am

re: #67 Jimmah

I think we all have a zombie in us. Who is it that rides our bike for us and drives our car while we are away in another world thinking about the 'chinese room' problem? It's our on-board zombie.

That would be Dennett's "multiple drafts" concept, or Minsky's "society of mind", that we don't really have a unitary mind at all, but some fair number of mental modules mostly independent but also cooperating for the most part.

81 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 11:59:40am

Ok, so let's say that a new Earth is discovered. If that Earth has it's own Newark NJ, was it really worth all of the effort?

82 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:00:00pm

re: #74 opnion

Dogs know. THey just are able to get a grip on people. The Obama dog will love the children, but dislike Barry, & freaking hate Michelle.

Yep - and thus Michelle will see to it that the dog somehow wasn't such a good idea ...

83 Occasional Reader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:00:03pm

re: #72 Dirk Diggler

Princeton economist Peter Singer actually made a variation of that argument

Dr. Singer (who's an "ethicist", btw, not an economist) doubtless thinks we should focus on things closer to home. Like having sex with our pets, for instance.

84 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:00:09pm

re: #73 yma o hyd

Got it:

Realitarian!

Hmmmm. I'm trying to broaden my perspectives....even so, doesn't seem to have that "zing" I'm looking for. How about "Existence-ism?"

85 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:00:14pm

re: #78 ConservatismNow!

But realists don't give any thought to concepts like pride, liberty, and justice. They just do what is realistic.

Yes, like it's realistic to think the USA is going down the toilet with our current leadership.....

Realism is already an artistic genre...

We need a new name for this political philosophy

86 pat  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:00:33pm

That Delta II just keeps on chugging.

87 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:00:45pm

re: #75 Dr. Shalit

yma o hyd -

Give Good Quen Bess my best.

-S-

Thank you - I will!

88 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:01:00pm

Kilgore Trout posted this ages ago. It's awesome. Scroll to the right to see the whole thing.

[Link: antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov...]

Thanks, NASA!

89 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:01:04pm

re: #81 opnion

Ok, so let's say that a new Earth is discovered. If that Earth has it's own Newark NJ, was it really worth all of the effort?

But if it doesn't and there must be one out there like that, then we can send them ours.

90 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:01:08pm

re: #85 Desert Dog

And realists said you could not fight two wars at once.

91 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:01:20pm

re: #81 opnion

Ok, so let's say that a new Earth is discovered. If that Earth has it's own Newark NJ, was it really worth all of the effort?

Well if it does then NASA can just hide the fact that it even exists.

92 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:01:54pm

Another link: I love this topic..
Years ago a Young girl wanted to be an astronomer and studied hard and went to Harvard..She now is a Prof in college teaching Astronomy and spending her cash on the side buying telescopes for girl scouts..
She is what makes America great...Ladies and Gentleman..Dr. Pamela Gay
[Link: www.starstryder.com...]

93 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:02:00pm

re: #84 zombie

Hmmmm. I'm trying to broaden my perspectives....even so, doesn't seem to have that "zing" I'm looking for. How about "Existence-ism?"

* * *
Antidisestablishmentarianism?

94 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:02:11pm

re: #77 zombie

I've been trying! That's why I asked here.

Well, I like "rational", because that's what your philosophy sounds like.

Balanced (yuck - like Fox News?)
Impartial (too p.c. for my taste)
Objective (too Ayn Randish?)
Perspicacious (LOL - people would have to look it up).

95 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:02:25pm

re: #83 Occasional Reader

Wow, he even manages to get evolution in there too. Sounds like a sure bet for The Obama administration.

96 quickslow87  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:02:46pm

I wonder when we'll get 95 megapixel cameras...

97 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:03:18pm

re: #78 ConservatismNow!

But realists don't give any thought to concepts like pride, liberty, and justice. They just do what is realistic.

These concepts manifest themselves in people's acts, though, and in the ways they deal with daily life, thus they manifest themselves in reality.

Its when one looks at them separate from the actual people, and regards them just as concepts that they can become means of ideologies.

98 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:03:21pm

re: #82 yma o hyd

Yep - and thus Michelle will see to it that the dog somehow wasn't such a good idea ...

I doubt that Michelle will have much to do with the dog. I have a particular bias, but Water Dogs are wicked smart. I think that will offend her.

99 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:03:23pm

re: #84 zombie

Hmmmm. I'm trying to broaden my perspectives....even so, doesn't seem to have that "zing" I'm looking for. How about "Existence-ism?"

Doesn't flow. You seem to be aware of all things around you and aware of all philosophies. How about Awarian?

100 Racer X  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:03:28pm

Somewhere, on a planet in a distant galaxy, there are a bunch of beings sitting at their computers typing messages to each other, wondering if there is life on another planet.

Hi Zork!

101 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:03:44pm

re: #83 Occasional Reader

Dr. Singer (who's an "ethicist", btw, not an economist) doubtless thinks we should focus on things closer to home. Like having sex with our pets, for instance.

He's not even the worst. There's another professor --an actual, real professor at a real university -- who has advocated for and intellectually defended pedophilia.

Out of respect for Charles, I will not name or link to this person.

Needless to say, I pro-actively have already kicked both these professors out of my new club!

102 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:04:20pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

Well, I like "rational", because that's what your philosophy sounds like.

Balanced (yuck - like Fox News?)
Impartial (too p.c. for my taste)
Objective (too Ayn Randish?)
Perspicacious (LOL - people would have to look it up).

And "rational" to me also implies a big difference from either "liberal" and "conservative", which have both swung too far in one direction or the other.

103 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:04:20pm

re: #96 quickslow87

I wonder when we'll get 95 megapixel cameras...

No Camera for you!
/Camera Nazi

104 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:04:24pm

re: #76 Jimmah

I think it's possible, but would require vast telescopes, or maybe a huge network of them. Maybe an astonomer here can give us the skinny on exactly what it would take to get a decent photo of a planet that was say 20 light years away?

At some point we'll have the ability. We're too curious about the question of if we're alone in the universe to turn back. Finding other earth-like planets will only spur scientists on to see more.

105 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:04:55pm

re: #97 yma o hyd

Perhaps I worded that wrong. Realists only look at what is obvious. See my 90

106 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:05:00pm

re: #89 itellu3times

But if it doesn't and there must be one out there like that, then we can send them ours.

That would start an Inter-galactic war, I'm afraid.

107 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:05:02pm

re: #100 Racer X

Somewhere, on a planet in a distant galaxy, there are a bunch of beings sitting at their computers typing messages to each other, wondering if there is life on another planet.

Hi Zork!

I disagree. I think they are up there laughing at us.

108 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:05:02pm

re: #83 Occasional Reader

Dr. Singer (who's an "ethicist", btw, not an economist) doubtless thinks we should focus on things closer to home. Like having sex with our pets, for instance.

I loathe that man - not just because of that!

109 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:05:07pm

re: #100 Racer X

Somewhere, on a planet in a distant galaxy, there are a bunch of beings sitting at their computers typing messages to each other, wondering if there is life on another planet.

Hi Zork!

Actually, those aliens have already made a fly over Earth and have determined there is no intelligent life down here.....They are all busy engaging their cloaking devices so we cannot find them....

110 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:05:19pm

re: #95 vagabond trader

Wow, he even manages to get evolution in there too. Sounds like a sure bet for The Obama administration.

FCBBHO's science czar.

When Barack Obama nominated John P. Holdren as his Science Adviser last December 20, the president-elect stated "promoting science isn’t just about providing resources" but "ensuring that facts and evidence are never twisted or obscured by politics or ideology." In nominating John Holdren, his words could scarcely have taken a more Orwellian ring.

SNIP

All of these positions are consistent with a man who began his career as a "dissident scientist." Peter Collier remembers Holdren working by day at a national laboratory and by night writing for Ramparts, the intellectual journal of the New Left. Holdren has authored numerous books and journal articles with his mentors Paul and Anne Ehrlich, the infamous doomsayers who predicted overpopulation would force most of the world's population to perish during the 1980s "great die-off." Holdren has gone on to a distinguished academic career in his own right. A longtime professor at the University of California at Berkeley, Teresa Heinz Kerry used her late husband's tax-exempt billions to endow a chair at Harvard for Ehrlich's disciple; Holdren is now the Teresa and John Heinz Professor of Environmental Policy at the Kennedy School of Government, where his (and her) ideas influence the next generation of policymakers. Holdren himself has a background in political "philanthropy," serving for 14 years on John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation's Board of Trustees, steering its grants to far-Left organizations. He also pursued the intersection of science and diplomacy by joining the Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs, an organization founded during the Cold War by former nuclear scientist and fellow traveler Joseph Rotblat. Pugwash hewed to the Communist Party line and was subsequently feted by Czechslovakian and Polish Communist leaders.

SNIP

111 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:05:19pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

Well, I like "rational", because that's what your philosophy sounds like.

Balanced (yuck - like Fox News?)
Impartial (too p.c. for my taste)
Objective (too Ayn Randish?)
Perspicacious (LOL - people would have to look it up).

See how difficult this is?

112 Occasional Reader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:05:36pm

What if we discover intelligent life on another planet... but they're assholes?

/pondering

113 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:05:56pm

re: #84 zombie

Hmmmm. I'm trying to broaden my perspectives....even so, doesn't seem to have that "zing" I'm looking for. How about "Existence-ism?"

Far too close to Sartre and his Existentialism.

114 monkeytime  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:06:04pm

re: #49 zombie

That's like having four desserts with no meal!

How bout:
Eleutherian
Solvovitist/Solvovitarian

115 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:06:29pm

re: #109 Desert Dog

Actually, those aliens have already made a fly over Earth and have determined there is no intelligent life down here.....They are all busy engaging their cloaking devices so we cannot find them....


You know way to much, you will be abducted and probed.
/////

116 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:06:37pm

re: #113 yma o hyd

Far too close to Sartre and his Existentialism.

I was joking, actually.

117 Occasional Reader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:06:52pm

re: #108 yma o hyd

I loathe that man - not just because of that!

As I recall, he has rather, ah, interesting ideas regarding handicapped people and "inconvenient" babies.

118 joncelli  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:06:54pm

re: #12 zombie

Zombie, you should use the Cartesian political scale: Left/Right on the x-axis, degree of statism on the y-axis (more statist up, less so down). So, an anarchist would fall in the bottom left-hand corner, a libertarian in the lower right-hand corner, a fascist in the upper right-hand corner, a stalinist in the upper left-hand corner, and so on. It might not be what you're looking for but it will help marshal your thoughts.

119 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:07:06pm

re: #110 MandyManners

Gah, I read about him.The hits keep coming don't they?

120 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:07:42pm

re: #111 zombie

See how difficult this is?

Yep.
I actually like "rational", but it would be kickier if there was something in front of it.
Not "neo" or "new" - something to imply this is the "thinking person's" rationality.

121 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:07:59pm

re: #90 ConservatismNow!

And realists said you could not fight two wars at once.

Thast realists.
Realitarians would look at the facts as they are, not as one wishes them to be.

But I can see that there are too many connotations with that word, which would confuse the issues.

122 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:08:05pm

re: #112 Occasional Reader

What if we discover intelligent life on another planet... but they're assholes?

/pondering

We have been living with Congress for over 200 years.

123 joncelli  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:08:18pm

As to the Kepler mission...I didn't think we'd discover planets around other stars in my lifetime, much less earth-like planets around other stars. If we were to find one, I could die a happy man. If we were to find a way to send a probe to one at something near the speed of light (or as near as we could get) I would be ecstatic.

124 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:08:21pm

re: #112 Occasional Reader

What if we discover intelligent life on another planet... but they're assholes?

/pondering

What happens if we discover life on another planet and they have their shit together?
/Do we conquer them and eat their young?
//Pondering

125 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:08:32pm

re: #112 Occasional Reader

What if we discover intelligent life on another planet... but they're assholes?

/pondering

I highly recommend the hilarious film "Morons From Outer Space," which is basically a riff on this idea. I have never laughed so hard in my life!

126 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:08:35pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

I already lobbied hard for "rationalism" just to get it on zombie's list. But you go, reine. I agree.

127 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:08:35pm

re: #115 DEZes

You know way to much, you will be abducted and probed.
/////

AGAIN? Aw man, pick someone else

128 Racer X  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:08:41pm

re: #109 Desert Dog

Actually, those aliens have already made a fly over Earth and have determined there is no intelligent life down here.....They are all busy engaging their cloaking devices so we cannot find them....

Interesting.

We always assume aliens are smarter than humans. What if we find a planet filled with dumb blondes? Or Homer Simpsons?

It could happen.

129 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:08:52pm

re: #83 Occasional Reader

Dr. Singer (who's an "ethicist", btw, not an economist) doubtless thinks we should focus on things closer to home. Like having sex with our pets, for instance.


Having sex with pets....really....I've got this cat.......

130 Euler  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:09:00pm

I expect NASA's focus to turn inward. Monitoring climate change and so on will take priority over pure science, because it better serves the common good, is more neighborly, and more patriotic.

131 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:09:10pm

re: #114 monkeytime

How bout:
Eleutherian
Solvovitist/Solvovitarian

Sounds like something out of Scientology.

132 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:09:18pm

re: #77 zombie

I've been trying! That's why I asked here.

zombie -

"Liberal" is a word and concept that has been - TOO LIBERALLY - Pooped Upon by both the right AND left.
When I was still one - in the early 1980's - I fashioned myself as a "Progressive." A reporter asked me "What is a Progressive?" My "off the Record" answer was - a Liberal who wants to WIN elections.
We are obviously not in the same world as Sir Edmund Burke.
I opt for titles that go - "Rational" - Policies that reflect the Human Experience, AND "Irrational" - Policies that do not, though they may at times reflect our aspirations. Start from there, and, perhaps, the world becomes more comprehensible.

-S-

133 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:09:44pm

re: #128 Racer X

Democrats?

134 monkeytime  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:09:53pm

re: #114 monkeytime

How bout:
Eleutherian
Solvovitist/Solvovitarian

Solvo Vita = Free Life in Latin

135 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:10:13pm

re: #98 opnion

I doubt that Michelle will have much to do with the dog. I have a particular bias, but Water Dogs are wicked smart. I think that will offend her.

Smart dogs can get very unhappy being around people who loathe them, secretly or openly.
I am very uncomfortable with the 0s having a dog, regardless of how lovely the daughters are.

136 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:10:16pm

re: #128 Racer X

Wasn't there a similar theme on an old Star Trek episode?

137 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:10:18pm

re: #118 joncelli

Zombie, you should use the Cartesian political scale: Left/Right on the x-axis, degree of statism on the y-axis (more statist up, less so down). So, an anarchist would fall in the bottom left-hand corner, a libertarian in the lower right-hand corner, a fascist in the upper right-hand corner, a stalinist in the upper left-hand corner, and so on. It might not be what you're looking for but it will help marshal your thoughts.

Actually, that is the very thing I am running away from at top speed.

No more left/right for me.

138 Occasional Reader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:10:58pm

re: #128 Racer X

What if we find a planet filled with dumb blondes?

I'm sure there was a secret, intensive initiative to find it during the Clinton Administration.

139 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:11:12pm

re: #136 vagabond trader

Wasn't there a similar theme on an old Star Trek episode?

The Fuzz-ball things. Kept reproducing.

140 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:11:27pm

Equaltarianism.

141 monkeytime  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:11:42pm

re: #134 monkeytime

Solvo Vita = Free Life in Latin

and Eleutheria Greek term for, and personification of, liberty.

142 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:11:50pm

re: #137 zombie

Ok no more line graphs. What about pie charts?

143 rightymouse  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:12:02pm

re: #12 zombie

May I suggest that you start with what you think and believe, versus what you are not and what you know to be false.

Take a look at autarchism.

144 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:12:31pm

re: #123 joncelli

As to the Kepler mission...I didn't think we'd discover planets around other stars in my lifetime, much less earth-like planets around other stars. If we were to find one, I could die a happy man. If we were to find a way to send a probe to one at something near the speed of light (or as near as we could get) I would be ecstatic.

Large gaseous planets have been detected in other star systems.

145 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:12:38pm

re: #116 zombie

I was joking, actually.

Gah - and I fell for it, hook, line and sinker!

:-)

146 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:12:52pm

re: #124 HoosierHoops

What happens if we discover life on another planet and they have their shit together?
/Do we conquer them and eat their young?
//Pondering

Ok , what if the new planet is a huge liquor store, inhabited by beautiful nymphomaniacs?
I mean, how do we all get transport?

147 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:13:05pm

So this thing should have no problem in detecting when g-d turns out the light on all of this mess. Good.

148 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:13:09pm

re: #144 BignJames

Sounds like a great place to ship Goracle.

149 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:13:12pm

re: #117 Occasional Reader

As I recall, he has rather, ah, interesting ideas regarding handicapped people and "inconvenient" babies.

Exactly.
Despicable.

150 tackle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:13:22pm

OT: Russian media teases Clinton about fake "reset" button.
Who knew props would be so important to diplomacy? What's next, a giant glue bottle to "seal" our committment to Palestine?

151 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:13:33pm

re: #137 zombie

Actually, that is the very thing I am running away from at top speed.

No more left/right for me.


Ambidexterian!

152 Shug  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:13:46pm

Kepler actually scared me. I see the chief engineer is named Hans Zarkov

153 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:13:47pm

re: #134 monkeytime

Solvo Vita = Free Life in Latin

re: #141 monkeytime

and Eleutheria Greek term for, and personification of, liberty.

If people need to reach for their dictionaries, we've already lost their attention.

154 abolitionist  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:14:01pm

Transit Graph (text description)

The results from Kepler will come from measuring the brightness of the stars. The data will look like an EKG showing the heart beat. Whenever a planet passes in front of its parent star as viewed from our solar system it produces a tiny pulse or beat. From the repeated beats we can detect and confirm the existence of Earth-size planets and learn about the orbit and size of the planet. The scientific results from Kepler come in a different way than most astronomy missions. It will not produce pretty pictures or even colorful spectrograms, but rather light curves that take several years to gather.

Animations - Scroll down to Transit Graph

Direct link to Transit Graph - medium res ( .mov file )

It is not expected that the mission will be able to provide views of distant stars with this sort of clarity. That part of the animation is purely for communicating (to us) what's going on with the light measurements.

155 Occasional Reader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:14:02pm

I'm off to do some firearms-related activities. Later.

156 monkeytime  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:14:13pm

re: #153 zombie

If people need to reach for their dictionaries, we've already lost their attention.


lol - true dat.

157 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:14:14pm

I'm not very good at coming up with titles, but if I had to describe my own ideals, it would be:

Constitutionalist

158 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:14:23pm

re: #148 vagabond trader

Sounds like a great place to ship Goracle.

I think a rocket aimed at the center of the sun would be more appropriate for Algore.....let him experience, first hand, the main cause of earthly warming or cooling

159 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:14:33pm

re: #140 Sharmuta

Equaltarianism.

But that doesn't satisfy my main adjective/noun requirement.

160 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:14:38pm

re: #124 HoosierHoops

What happens if we discover life on another planet and they have their shit together?
/Do we conquer them and eat their young?
//Pondering

As long as PB0 is president, thre will be no chance of even thinking about getting there!

161 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:14:55pm

re: #135 yma o hyd

Smart dogs can get very unhappy being around people who loathe them, secretly or openly.
I am very uncomfortable with the 0s having a dog, regardless of how lovely the daughters are.

I thorougly agree. The dog will be a prop. If they wanted the girls to have a dog, it would have happened before now & wouldn't be such a PR stunt.

162 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:15:19pm

re: #155 Occasional Reader

I'm off to do some firearms-related activities. Later.

Knocking over a few liquor stores? You should really just give up the crack and you could stop all of that behavior, you know....

j/k

163 opnion  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:15:36pm

See ya

164 The Shadow Do  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:15:44pm

Zombie, are you a secular exegetic? Is there such a thing?
Reaching, I know

165 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:15:54pm

re: #118 joncelli

Zombie, you should use the Cartesian political scale: Left/Right on the x-axis, degree of statism on the y-axis (more statist up, less so down). So, an anarchist would fall in the bottom left-hand corner, a libertarian in the lower right-hand corner, a fascist in the upper right-hand corner, a stalinist in the upper left-hand corner, and so on. It might not be what you're looking for but it will help marshal your thoughts.

* * *
Excellent answer.
Two points determine a line.
Three points determine a plane.
No two people have the exact same philosophy.
Ronald Reagan started out as an FDR Democrat, a union president, before experience & reality caused him to rethink his beliefs.

166 screaming_eagle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:15:56pm

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

So this thing should have no problem in detecting when g-d turns out the light on all of this mess. Good.

A whole quarter second lead time?

167 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:16:07pm

re: #148 vagabond trader

Sounds like a great place to ship Goracle.


Anywhere but here.

168 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:16:09pm

re: #161 opnion

The parents are not fond of critters, you can just tell.

169 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:16:09pm

re: #117 Occasional Reader

As I recall, he has rather, ah, interesting ideas regarding handicapped people and "inconvenient" babies.

He'd fit right in with the Nazis.

170 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:16:24pm

Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown

Barack Obama's offhand approach to Gordon Brown's Washington visit last week came about because the president has facing exhaustion over America's economic crisis and is unable to focus on foreign affairs, the Sunday Telegraph has been told.

Sources close to the White House say Mr Obama and his staff have been "overwhelmed" by the economic meltdown and have voiced concerns that the new president is not getting enough rest.

Is Obama lazy?

All we're getting is whispers from the press, of course, A raised eyebrow here, a sad shake of the head there. But the picture that is emerging of Barack Obama, the executive, is not very flattering if you look between the lines.

It's only been a month and a half.

/we are so [expletive deleted]!

171 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:16:44pm

re: #119 vagabond trader

Gah, I read about him.The hits keep coming don't they?

He's a loathsome toad.

172 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:16:52pm

re: #153 zombie

If people need to reach for their dictionaries, we've already lost their attention.

Those same people can't define what it means to be liberal and conservative, so that's a non-issue.

173 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:17:04pm

re: #153 zombie

I've been following the naming contest for a while and haven't seen anything I really like. You might consider making up your own word like Heinlein did with "grok". Maybe the English language simply doesn't have the word you need. Also, it wouldn't really be that terrible to leave it unnamed. If the idea catches on somebody will name it sooner of later.

174 abaleh  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:17:08pm

Wouldn't it be a lot easier (not so sure about cheaper) to just ask the Scientologists which habitable planets their deities know?

/

175 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:17:16pm

re: #143 rightymouse

May I suggest that you start with what you think and believe, versus what you are not and what you know to be false.

Take a look at autarchism.

Eh -- way too much of an overlap with anarchy:

Autarchism (from Greek, "belief in self rule") is a political philosophy that upholds the principle of individual liberty, rejects compulsory government, and supports the elimination of government in favor of ruling yourself and no other.

I don't support the elimination of government. Weak, elderly, female and young people will be victimized by brutes, if we have no government.

176 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:17:33pm

re: #152 Shug

Kepler actually scared me. I see the chief engineer is named Hans Zarkov

That sounds pretty German - I thought all the WWII rocket scientists from Germany had died by now?

177 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:17:51pm

Zombie:
Not suggesting here, just throwing these out to perhaps spur the creative juices among the lizards:

Common-sense rationality
Perceptive rationality
Sensible rationality
Analytical rationality

178 monkeytime  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:18:24pm

re: #175 zombie

I don't support the elimination of government. Weak, elderly, female and young people will be victimized by brutes, if we have no government.

Lizardtarian.

179 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:18:25pm

re: #159 zombie

I'm just tossing out anything right now. I already said last time to go with "rational". And the Cookbook Queen already has me on her Brute Squad.

180 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:18:41pm

re: #170 Killian Bundy

But the picture that is emerging of Barack Obama, the executive, is not very flattering if you look between the lines.

Look between the lines? Heck-fire, there were hundreds of red flags waving all around that commie pig last year. People just refused to see them.

181 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:18:50pm

re: #151 BignJames

Ambidexterian!

How about, "Ambivalence-ian." Otherwise known as the "Eh party."

182 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:18:55pm

re: #124 HoosierHoops

What happens if we discover life on another planet and they have their shit together?
/Do we conquer them and eat their young?
//Pondering

* * *
Nuclear-armed North Korea now demands human shi-ite be gathered to fertilize crops. (I read this in the WashPost of Friday March 6)

This NORK human crap product is called TOIBEE.

183 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:19:26pm

re: #84 zombie

Hmmmm. I'm trying to broaden my perspectives....even so, doesn't seem to have that "zing" I'm looking for. How about "Existence-ism?"

Sanity.

184 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:19:29pm

re: #164 The Shadow Do

Heh. I had to google that one; worst definition ever.....

Adj. 1. exegetic - relating to exegesis
185 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:19:49pm

The Kid's finished his chores so we're off to the park! Later, sweet taters!

186 joncelli  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:19:51pm

re: #144 BignJames

Yes, that's what I meant by "didn't think we'd discover planets around other stars, much less..." I remember a file of clippings from the Washington Post I kept when they started making the news with extrasolar planet discoveries. I had to stop after Butler got into the act and they came up with more than 300 of them. (And if I weren't so disorganized I'd know where that file is.) My point is that it's even more exciting to be looking for earthlike world when finding gas giants was exciting enough as it is.

187 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:19:55pm

re: #157 EmmmieG

I'm not very good at coming up with titles, but if I had to describe my own ideals, it would be:

Constitutionalist

I was trying to avoid anything United-States-specific.

188 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:20:22pm

re: #161 opnion

I thorougly agree. The dog will be a prop. If they wanted the girls to have a dog, it would have happened before now & wouldn't be such a PR stunt.

Yep - and while I don't like putting labels on people, I think the 0s, Daddy 0 and Mummy 0 that is - are not dog people at all.
Otherwise, as you said, they'd ahve had a dog long since.

189 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:20:28pm

re: #146 opnion

Ok , what if the new planet is a huge liquor store, inhabited by beautiful nymphomaniacs?
I mean, how do we all get transport?

Shush..Don't tell OR that the planet is filled with Brazilian Super models..
/It's the whole beam me up scottie thing

190 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:20:34pm

I just hope if they find another Earth, it's an all RED State Earth. If it is, I got first dibbs.

191 tackle  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:20:35pm

re: #170 Killian Bundy

Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown


It's only been a month and a half.

/we are so [expletive deleted]!

We got a whiff of that during the campaign but the MSM was to starry-eyed to care. Chronic lateness, lack of organization, etc. Fill the Treasury posts, Obama. Yes you can!

192 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:21:20pm

My leg is tingling in a Chris Matthews sort of way.

193 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:21:20pm

re: #150 tackle

OT: Russian media teases Clinton about fake "reset" button.
Who knew props would be so important to diplomacy? What's next, a giant glue bottle to "seal" our committment to Palestine?

* * *
Hillary promised the Palestinians billions in a big fat plastic pink piggy bank.

194 Dirk Diggler  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:21:21pm

More hits for "Dr." Peter Singer...

Similar to his argument for abortion, Singer argues that infants similarly lack essential characteristics of personhood - "rationality, autonomy, and self-consciousness" [26]- and therefore "[s]imply killing an infant is never equivalent to killing a person."[27].

Even ancient civilizations outlawed infanticide. It's amazing how people like Singer continue to lower the bar for our civilization.

195 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:21:41pm

re: #187 zombie

That's actually not United States specific. Every democratically elected country has a constitution of some kind. But I see why you wouldn't want that. It implies a "government is always right" mentality.

196 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:21:47pm

re: #164 The Shadow Do

Zombie, are you a secular exegetic? Is there such a thing?
Reaching, I know

Perhaps I am, but that is not my focus. Also, "exegetic" will scare off 99% of potential converts.

197 rightymouse  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:21:53pm

re: #175 zombie

I don't support the elimination of government. Weak, elderly, female and young people will be victimized by brutes, if we have no government.

Anarchy is a misdefinition of this philosophy. I believe in self-rule and limited government. Am not an anarchist.

And have not governments brutalized the elderly, female, young, and everyone in between?

198 BignJames  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:22:05pm

re: #186 joncelli

Misunderstood your post.....sorry 'bout that!

199 DeathtotheSwiss  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:22:29pm

re: #193 alegrias

* * *
Hillary promised the Palestinians billions in a big fat plastic pink piggy bank.

I love this post. I wonder how they'd take something like that considering you can't tell the story of the Three Little Pigs in the UK.

200 Ziggy Standard  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:22:31pm

re: #112 Occasional Reader

What if we discover intelligent life on another planet... but they're assholes?

/pondering

I sometimes imagine that little capsule we sent off containing basic info on humanity and where to find us being picked up by a vast nation of giant hungry reptilian space-Nazis. They could be on their way here right now, for all we know. Someone has probably used this as the idea for a sci-fi novel already.

201 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:22:36pm

re: #139 screaming_eagle

The Fuzz-ball things. Kept reproducing.

Tribbles. The episode was "The Trouble with Tribbles"

202 joncelli  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:22:48pm

re: #181 zombie

Balancism. Goldenmeanism. Reasonism. This IS a challenge.

203 outsidephilly  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:23:08pm

re: #12 zombie


I haven't read through all the posts, yet.

How about Foundational - or variation thereof?

As in:
I am a foundational-ist. My ideals are based on the foundation of the United States Constitution.

204 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:23:12pm

Speaking of the Cookbook....

If you want to contribute to the LGF Cookbook Volume 2- click Reine's nic!
If you haven't purchased a cookbook yet- click Reine's nic!


*The preceding was a Lizard Service Announcement by the LGF Cookbook Volume 2 Brute Squad*

205 abolitionist  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:23:53pm

re: #144 BignJames

Large gaseous planets have been detected in other star systems.

About 300 or so was the number I heard mentioned in the commentary last night about launch time.

206 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:24:10pm

re: #201 Kosh's Shadow

Tribbles. The episode was "The Trouble with Tribbles"

Thier born pregnant. McCoy... ;)

207 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:24:24pm

re: #181 zombie

How about, "Ambivalence-ian." Otherwise known as the "Eh party."

But that was already done with the Know Nothings.....

208 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:24:41pm

re: #204 Sharmuta

Speaking of the Cookbook....

If you want to contribute to the LGF Cookbook Volume 2- click Reine's nic!
If you haven't purchased a cookbook yet- click Reine's nic!

*The preceding was a Lizard Service Announcement by the LGF Cookbook Volume 2 Brute Squad*

YES please all.
Jaunte said he will come up with NEW ART for this book.
FlakMusic has a better spell-check plan in place.
I have a better proofing plan in place
(nothing like experience to teach you some things).

209 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:25:00pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

I've been following the naming contest for a while and haven't seen anything I really like. You might consider making up your own word like Heinlein did with "grok". Maybe the English language simply doesn't have the word you need. Also, it wouldn't really be that terrible to leave it unnamed. If the idea catches on somebody will name it sooner of later.

I agree: At this stage, I may very well head in the "neologisms" direction -- a totally made-up word. (Unless I or someone else comes up with something great soon.)

But I disagree about allowing others to name me. Odd are, it won't be complimentary. Never let one's opponents define who you are.

210 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:25:03pm

re: #160 yma o hyd

As long as PB0 is president, thre will be no chance of even thinking about getting there!

As much as we want to go, especially while B. Hussein is president.
Please, aliens, come for me! Unless you want to serve man.
But I don't do anal probes. If you want that, take Barney Frank. Please.

211 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:25:13pm

United States up 4-2 in the 4th, if anyone cares. Pedroia, Youkilis and McCann have been the offense for the Red, White and Blue. Peavy is pitching.

212 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:25:32pm

re: #208 reine.de.tout

DO WHAT SHE SAYS OR I WILL YELL MORE.

213 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:25:49pm

Time to see just where you stand:

Political Spectrum Quiz

214 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:25:49pm

re: #200 Jimmah

There was a very campy sci fi show back in the 80s, "V" was its name. The aliens were lizard like with faux humanoid exteriors.Don't recall if they were attracted here by an earthly space probe.

215 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:26:18pm

re: #177 reine.de.tout

Zombie:
Not suggesting here, just throwing these out to perhaps spur the creative juices among the lizards:

Common-sense rationality
Perceptive rationality
Sensible rationality
Analytical rationality

Thanks. Perhaps a little too much emphasis on the cerebral, though. Added to the pile, nonetheless.

216 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:26:22pm

re: #81 opnion

Ok, so let's say that a new Earth is discovered. If that Earth has it's own Newark NJ, was it really worth all of the effort?

Opinion -

If the problem is only a NEWARK, NJ - HELL YES. Newark is fairly small and is already better with Corey Booker as Mayor. If Booker wasn't as politically correct as he is, it would be better yet. Imagine a "Mayor Joe Clark" - ie - a "Black Giuliani." Newark would be a magnet city in a NY Minute.

-S-

217 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:26:31pm

re: #213 Desert Dog

Time to see just where you stand:

Political Spectrum Quiz

I'm a center-right moderate social libertarian, does that make me a bad person?

218 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:27:10pm

re: #170 Killian Bundy

Barack Obama 'too tired' to give proper welcome to Gordon Brown

It's only been a month and a half.

/we are so [expletive deleted]!

Too tired already?
He should stop the campaigning, shouldn't he - but that would mean he'd have to do some real work ... and he can't do that because he is indeed lazy.

Flapping one's mouth is easier than working through papers, proposals, documents and think about and thrash out actual policies ...

219 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:27:11pm

re: #183 Kosh's Shadow

Sanity.

Already on the list.

220 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:27:40pm

re: #174 abaleh

Wouldn't it be a lot easier (not so sure about cheaper) to just ask the Scientologists which habitable planets their deities know?

/

I could come up with a better science fiction religion than Scientology.
How about two alien races keep fighting over whose philosophy is better, so they set up an experiment with an intelligent race. Some of the race believe in one philosophy; some in the other. The aliens will all accept whichever philosophy wins. We're the experiment.
BUT IF YOU FOUND A RELIGION ON THIS I WANT MY CUT!

221 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:27:41pm

re: #200 Jimmah

I sometimes imagine that little capsule we sent off containing basic info on humanity and where to find us being picked up by a vast nation of giant hungry reptilian space-Nazis. They could be on their way here right now, for all we know. Someone has probably used this as the idea for a sci-fi novel already.

Actually, the sci-fi idea I have is that there is a race of war-mongering, scary beings out there. Us. We have people on this planet that hack up other human beings with machetes, and they aren't even the worst ones we produce. (Close, though.)

Seriously, looking at the history of mankind, and how societies have done when they are tilted this way and that, I'm not sure a society more brutal than ours could get off of their planet. It would be very enlightening to do a survey of different societies, their commonly-held values and level of individual liberties, and their scientific successes.

222 snowcrash  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:30:14pm

re: #215 zombie
New Model Moderates....if the party is moderate, of course.

223 Ziggy Standard  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:30:16pm

Dinner time. BBL

224 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:32:01pm

I have to get one of these
;)

225 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:32:33pm

re: #194 Dirk Diggler

More hits for "Dr." Peter Singer...

Even ancient civilizations outlawed infanticide. It's amazing how people like Singer continue to lower the bar for our civilization.

Actually, many ancient civilizations allowed and practiced infanticide (Carthaginians, some pre-Classical ancient Greeks, Amazonian tribes, etc.)

226 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:33:03pm

Oooh, LGF just froze up on me and kicked me out. Server hiccup?

227 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:33:08pm

This is what one Trillion dollars looks like

wow....I will need a bigger piggy bank

228 Ziggy Standard  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:33:12pm

re: #221 EmmmieG

I agree. Will reply later - gotta eat now.

229 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:33:29pm

re: #218 yma o hyd

yma o hyd -

PM Brown may be a disagreeable, boring person. He is - AS WELL - the PM of the UK, Just as B. "Hooverssein" Obama is our President. In both cases, respect goes to the office rather than the person occupying it. PM Brown did well - Pres. Obama - Not So much. Sorry about that from my side of the "Pond."

-S-

230 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:33:30pm

re: #226 zombie

Oooh, LGF just froze up on me and kicked me out. Server hiccup?

Yup..I had an issue also

231 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:33:35pm

re: #211 Lincolntf

United States up 4-2 in the 4th, if anyone cares. Pedroia, Youkilis and McCann have been the offense for the Red, White and Blue. Peavy is pitching.

Ah Jeter doubled and scored the first run and just singled again to go 2 for 3 so far. And he is the Captain of Team USA.

232 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:33:45pm

re: #183 Kosh's Shadow

Sanity.

Then you would be a Sanitarian? With Sanitary ideas?

233 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:34:39pm

Last update - 22:24 07/03/2009

U.A.E. denies Israeli official visa for global trade summit

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Yeah the Arabs really want to make peace? My ass.

234 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:34:45pm

re: #195 ConservatismNow!

That's actually not United States specific. Every democratically elected country has a constitution of some kind. But I see why you wouldn't want that. It implies a "government is always right" mentality.

Actually, it is Unites States specific.

Do you support the Constitution of Venezuela? Iran? North Korea? Each of them has constitutions as well. When you say "Constitutionalist," you are referring to the US Constitution.

235 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:34:53pm

re: #202 joncelli

Balancism. Goldenmeanism. Reasonism. This IS a challenge.

I'm a Capitalist - not many of us still around.

236 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:35:03pm

re: #231 Nevergiveup

Eh? Are you sure?

237 outsidephilly  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:35:03pm

re: #226 zombie


Did the same thing to me . . . . . UGH

I was re-suggesting my suggestion, which is, Foundational.

As in:
I am a foundational-ist. My ideals are based on the foundation of the United States, the Constitution.

238 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:35:15pm

re: #208 reine.de.tout

Reine, the cookbook is yummy.Very nicely balanced too, considering the wide spectrum of contributors.

239 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:35:29pm

re: #231 Nevergiveup

PIMF, just looked it up. You're right.

240 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:35:38pm

re: #236 Lincolntf

Eh? Are you sure?

Absolutely. Sure about what exactly?

241 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:35:52pm

re: #226 zombie

Oooh, LGF just froze up on me and kicked me out. Server hiccup?

I thought my little quip did it.

242 joncelli  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:35:59pm

Hamster hiccup. Got to change their food.

243 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:36:04pm

re: #237 outsidephilly

Too close to Fundamentalist?

244 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:36:27pm

re: #234 zombie

Just promise me you won't make up one of those, ahem, easy-to-remember names from US parties gone by:

Free soilers!
Know-nothings! (Now that just makes you want to join, doesn't it?)

245 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:36:49pm

re: #239 Lincolntf

Shit, now I'm wrong again. I think Pedie knocked in Youk and then Youk hit a dinger.

246 Achilles Tang  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:37:02pm

re: #12 zombie

Here's my problem:

I'm starting to write an essay which simply outlines my personal political philosophy. The reason I'm doing it is because I don't feel confortable with the label "left" or "right," and I want to make a statement to break free from the old framework. But the sticking point is: I'm looking for a "name" for this philosophy, and I still don't have one.
...................................................................
Put on your thinking caps! What suggestions do you have?

Occamism

247 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:37:04pm

re: #239 Lincolntf

PIMF, just looked it up. You're right.

Knock the Yankees all you want. They deserve it. But give Jeter his due. He usually comes thru and other players tend to like to play with him, unlike what's his name.

248 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:37:21pm

re: #217 Desert Dog

My Political Views
I am a right social libertarian
Right: 4.78, Libertarian: 3.89

Political Spectrum Quiz

249 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:37:35pm

re: #245 Lincolntf

Shit, now I'm wrong again. I think Pedie knocked in Youk and then Youk hit a dinger.

Yes Youk and McCann homered

250 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:38:09pm

re: #247 Nevergiveup

Who knocked the Yankees? I have no beef with Jeter.

251 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:38:20pm

re: #242 joncelli

Hamster hiccup. Got to change their food.

Have you seen the hamster on AFV that lies on his back under the wheel and runs it?

252 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:39:09pm

re: #249 Nevergiveup

My transition from ESPN Radio to watching the actual broadcast was not seamless. I think I missed an inning.

253 monkeytime  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:39:17pm

re: #224 DEZes

I have to get one of these
;)

Your so funny!

254 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:39:27pm

re: #215 zombie

Thanks. Perhaps a little too much emphasis on the cerebral, though. Added to the pile, nonetheless.

I also liked the "foundational" suggestion.

You really need to come back with your name quest on a day when Buzzsawmonkey is here.

256 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:40:20pm

Reasonablism
Cohesivism
Cogentism
Autochthonism
Stochasticism

None of them sound particularly up-the-leg-thrilling to me...just tossing out various bolts from my ad hoc brainstorm.

257 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:40:58pm

re: #250 Lincolntf

Who knocked the Yankees? I have no beef with Jeter.

OK so maybe I'm a little touchy today. Been home with the wife all day and we are already at each other's throat.

258 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:41:19pm

re: #197 rightymouse

Anarchy is a misdefinition of this philosophy. I believe in self-rule and limited government. Am not an anarchist.

And have not governments brutalized the elderly, female, young, and everyone in between?

Well, it seemed fairly anarchistic to me, according to your link. Self-rule is all well and good, but a substantial portion of the populace needs physical protection by society. Complete self-independence, and/or autarchy, and/or anarchy, is inevitably favored by those who are fit, strong, and capable. But not everyone shares those attributes. If you are in any way enfeebled, you will be victimized in a society without built-in protections for the less-than-vigorous.

259 Westward Ho  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:41:33pm

Will it solve the Fermi paradox aka the "Great Silence"

260 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:41:47pm

re: #202 joncelli

Balancism. Goldenmeanism. Reasonism. This IS a challenge.

Se what I mean? Not easy.

261 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:42:10pm

re: #250 Lincolntf

Who knocked the Yankees? I have no beef with Jeter.

Jeter is a stand up guy..he's from Kalamazoo

262 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:42:11pm

re: #189 HoosierHoops

Shush..Don't tell OR that the planet is filled with Brazilian Super models..
/It's the whole beam me up scottie thing

They're all busy with Captain James T. Kirk

263 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:42:16pm

re: #257 Nevergiveup

Don''t worry. I'll knock them enough in the regular season to justify your defensiveness.
It's just the nature of the NY/BOS beast.

264 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:42:21pm

re: #203 outsidephilly

I haven't read through all the posts, yet.

How about Foundational - or variation thereof?

As in:
I am a foundational-ist. My ideals are based on the foundation of the United States Constitution.

Added to the list. But as of this moment...eh.

265 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:43:28pm

re: #261 albusteve

Jeter is a stand up guy..he's from Kalamazoo

They asked him on talk radio here in NY why should people watch the World Baseball Classic? He said well what are they gonna watch, Hockey? Pretty funny.

266 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:43:32pm

re: #206 DEZes

Thier born pregnant. McCoy... ;)

Kirk: "I had nothing to do with it, Bones!"

267 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:44:09pm

re: #264 zombie

Added to the list. But as of this moment...eh.

make up a new word...it's the only solution...I do it all the time!

268 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:44:17pm

re: #229 Dr. Shalit

extension to self -

Yma - Pres. Obama is still obsessed about the Kenya Resistance to Crown Rule. His bad, that was over before he was born. Kenya has been independent for about 50 years - and is Still Poor, as a nation. Perhaps they as our "Pilgrim Ancestors" might try something radical - Like Capitalism.

-S-

269 Nevergiveup  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:44:21pm

re: #263 Lincolntf

Don''t worry. I'll knock them enough in the regular season to justify your defensiveness.
It's just the nature of the NY/BOS beast.

That's what makes it so much fun.

270 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:44:32pm

re: #213 Desert Dog

Time to see just where you stand:

Political Spectrum Quiz

Those quizzes are almost always snares set up by the libertarians. 95% of the time, the answer is: "Surprise! You are a librtarian!"

271 rightymouse  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:44:36pm

re: #215 zombie

Thanks. Perhaps a little too much emphasis on the cerebral, though. Added to the pile, nonetheless.

What is wrong with cerebral? I really prefer that we don't have a dumbed or watered-down philosophy/ideology, or principles that are compromised.

272 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:44:45pm

re: #227 Desert Dog

This is what one Trillion dollars looks like

wow....I will need a bigger piggy bank

Since we're dealing with numbers in the squintillions (numbers so large, you have to squint to see the last zeroes) being spent by the fat boys in Washington, I thought this was appropriate:

273 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:45:03pm

re: #214 vagabond trader

There was a very campy sci fi show back in the 80s, "V" was its name. The aliens were lizard like with faux humanoid exteriors.Don't recall if they were attracted here by an earthly space probe.

They came for our water. They must have been dumb; it would be easier to steal our comets without having to take all the water out of the Earth's gravity well.

274 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:45:08pm

re: #217 Desert Dog

I'm a center-right moderate social libertarian, does that make me a bad person?

See what I mean?

275 DEZes  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:45:10pm

re: #266 Kosh's Shadow

Kirk: "I had nothing to do with it, Bones!"


LOL!

276 Westward Ho  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:45:42pm

The aliens "Where are they" is another way to paraphrase this paradox and there has been serious study of this question there is a whole new discipline calledAstrobiology studying this.

277 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:46:11pm

re: #270 zombie

Those quizzes are almost always snares set up by the libertarians. 95% of the time, the answer is: "Surprise! You are a librtarian!"

Does this mean I have to start voting for Ron Paul now? kill me...kill me now! ahhhhhhh

278 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:46:42pm

re: #222 snowcrash

New Model Moderates....if the party is moderate, of course.

Sounds like the New Model Army. Instead, how about the Lancastrians?

279 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:46:55pm

re: #265 Nevergiveup

They asked him on talk radio here in NY why should people watch the World Baseball Classic? He said well what are they gonna watch, Hockey? Pretty funny.

he used to go to elementary school wearing his Yankee jersey....told his little buddies he's gonna play for them someday....he was almost obsessed back then...he did it...he is a great story and role model

280 Desert Dog  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:47:07pm

re: #278 zombie

Sounds like the New Model Army. Instead, how about the Lancastrians?

Roundheads, anyone?

281 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:47:08pm

Wild pitch, Canada scores.
US up 4-3 going into the bottom of the 6th.

282 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:47:11pm

re: #229 Dr. Shalit

yma o hyd -

PM Brown may be a disagreeable, boring person. He is - AS WELL - the PM of the UK, Just as B. "Hooverssein" Obama is our President. In both cases, respect goes to the office rather than the person occupying it. PM Brown did well - Pres. Obama - Not So much. Sorry about that from my side of the "Pond."

-S-

Agree - the respect goes to the office.
Mind - while the British press gives the impression as if we're now all deeply offended, the underlying theme is that Gord is on the way out and anything which helps him to realise that he's got to call a General Election is welcome.
Thats why its beenoverplayed a leeetle bit in the papers over here.
Politics as usual, with MFM stirring - no need to apologise!
(But thanks anyway!)

283 The Shadow Do  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:47:59pm

re: #12 zombie

(As to what exactly this philosophy will be -- well, I haven't written the essay yet, but it's not much different than the typical "9/11 neocon" or from most people here: hawkish on foreign policy, laissez-faire on social issues; strongly against extremism at either end of the political spectrum, pro-freedom, anti-totalitarian, complete rejection of Marxism and fascism, strongly pro-Constitution but not chauvinistic or xenophobic in my pro-Americanism, anti-discrimination, pro free speech, etc. etc. -- you know the drill.)

Much of that would be heartily endorsed by Ben Franklin and some other founders. Why, you could be a Franklinist!

284 rightymouse  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:48:10pm

re: #258 zombie

Well, it seemed fairly anarchistic to me, according to your link. Self-rule is all well and good, but a substantial portion of the populace needs physical protection by society. Complete self-independence, and/or autarchy, and/or anarchy, is inevitably favored by those who are fit, strong, and capable. But not everyone shares those attributes. If you are in any way enfeebled, you will be victimized in a society without built-in protections for the less-than-vigorous.


So, in other words, you are saying that freedom/liberty only works for the strong, and not for the weak? I say that freedom will enable the weak to be strong.

Governments have NEVER helped the weak to be strong, nor protected them.

285 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:48:27pm

re: #276 Westward Ho

The aliens "Where are they" is another way to paraphrase this paradox and there has been serious study of this question there is a whole new discipline calledAstrobiology studying this.

WHERE ARE THEY?
WHY I HOPE THE SEARCH FOR EXTRATERRESTRIAL LIFE FINDS NOTHING
Nick Bostrom
Future of Humanity Institute
Faculty of Philosophy & James Martin 21st Century School
Oxford University
[Link: www.nickbostrom.com...]

286 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:48:36pm

re: #246 Naso Tang

Occamism

I get it, but I fear that about 1% of the rest of the country will.

287 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:49:01pm

re: #214 vagabond trader

There was a very campy sci fi show back in the 80s, "V" was its name. The aliens were lizard like with faux humanoid exteriors.Don't recall if they were attracted here by an earthly space probe.

And for those who don't remember the original incarnation of "V", you'll soon be able to watch the new "V" miniseries and spinoff TV show, as well as the video games.

/Yet more proof Hollywood is out of ideas

288 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:49:03pm

re: #284 rightymouse

So, in other words, you are saying that freedom/liberty only works for the strong, and not for the weak? I say that freedom will enable the weak to be strong.

Governments have NEVER helped the weak to be strong, nor protected them.

What about patent rights?

289 outsidephilly  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:49:28pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

Too close to Fundamentalist?

I 'hear' ya, yet, a Fundamentalist is one who follows Fundamentalism. Fundamentalism is, I think, a movement that stresses matters of faith and morals and that isn't what I'm interested in my government doing. That's the job of the family, or church that family decides to attend.

Staying focused on the foundation of the United States which is the Constitution will keep the 'party' on track, . . . , that is, here's what the Constitution says about such and such.

290 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:49:28pm

re: #256 Salamantis

Reasonablism
Cohesivism
Cogentism
Autochthonism
Stochasticism

None of them sound particularly up-the-leg-thrilling to me...just tossing out various bolts from my ad hoc brainstorm.

Thanks. Noted.

291 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:50:14pm

re: #277 Desert Dog

Nah. big L libertarians vote for Ron Paul and are mostly Libertarian so they can smoke weed legally. Libertarians (small L) and conservatives agree on fiscal issues, but disagree on foreign policy and some social issues. Being a social libertarian doesn't mean you have to vote for Ron Paul.

292 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:51:27pm

re: #12 zombie

you should label yourself zombie

293 snowcrash  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:51:28pm

re: #278 zombie
e⋅mer⋅gence   /ɪˈmɜrdʒəns/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [i-mur-juhns] Show IPA
–noun 1. the act or process of emerging.
2. an outgrowth, as a prickle, on the surface of a plant.
3. Evolution. the appearance of new properties or species in the course of development or evolution.

294 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:51:44pm

re: #226 zombie

Oooh, LGF just froze up on me and kicked me out. Server hiccup?

No, the server was attacked by aliens.
/

295 Picayune  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:52:10pm

re: #229 Dr. Shalit

"Just as B. "Hooverssein" Obama is our President."

"Hooverssein". Love it.

More of Rev Wright's chickens a coming on home to roost on PeeBo's Presidency.

TelePrompTer in Chief: "Stock market, what stock market? I am busy with Russia, nationalizing "free" healthcare for all, and rebuilding public education, all to repair the economy!

296 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:52:31pm

re: #233 Nevergiveup

Last update - 22:24 07/03/2009

U.A.E. denies Israeli official visa for global trade summit

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Yeah the Arabs really want to make peace? My ass.

The summit should be canceled. But it won't be.

297 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:52:32pm

re: #273 Kosh's Shadow

Yeah, but didn't they also have a hankering for our tender gamey buttocks?

298 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:52:35pm

re: #282 yma o hyd

yma o hyd -

There is an expression in Yiddish that transliterates as "KUCHLEFFEL" - it is almost identical in German. It Means "Mixing Spoon." The MSM on both sides of the "Pond" have aspirations of being such as it comes to public affairs.

-S-

299 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:52:47pm
300 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:53:31pm

re: #283 The Shadow Do

Much of that would be heartily endorsed by Ben Franklin and some other founders. Why, you could be a Franklinist!

Not bad, but I want to look forward, not to the past. Anything involving powdered wigs or square shoe buckles is off the list.

301 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:53:50pm

re: #135 yma o hyd

Smart dogs can get very unhappy being around people who loathe them, secretly or openly.
I am very uncomfortable with the 0s having a dog, regardless of how lovely the daughters are.

the fact that they have never had a pet is very telling.

i hope they don't get a dog.
the whole on going p.r. stunt is not abt. a dog, it's abt them.
i just can't imagine o and wab will be warm and loving owners.
too self centered , angry and needy.

302 Westward Ho  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:53:59pm

Check out this provocative article on Where are they?

Hat tip to Salamantis.

303 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:54:33pm

re: #288 EmmmieG

What about patent rights?

EmmmieG -

See: PHILO T. FARNSWORTH. The Patent system is good, not perfect.

-S-

304 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:55:32pm

re: #293 snowcrash

e⋅mer⋅gence   /ɪˈmɜrdʒ% 9;ns/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [i-mur-juhns] Show IPA
–noun 1. the act or process of emerging.
2. an outgrowth, as a prickle, on the surface of a plant.
3. Evolution. the appearance of new properties or species in the course of development or evolution.

Interesting. Added to the list.

Gotta stay away from veering too close to emergency, however.

305 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:55:42pm

Cool! Just checked the Dow and it's stable! I think we have a new term for "market stability":

"Saturday"

306 The Shadow Do  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:55:46pm

re: #300 zombie

Neo-Franklinist? LOL

307 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:56:09pm

re: #287 gmsc

And for those who don't remember the original incarnation of "V", you'll soon be able to watch the new "V" miniseries and spinoff TV show, as well as the video games.

/Yet more proof Hollywood is out of ideas

I have several ideas for Hollywood. Oh, wait, I live 3000 miles away.
The idiots running the studios don't want new ideas; they can't understand them.

308 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:56:28pm

re: #306 The Shadow Do

Neo-Franklinist? LOL

Beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy.

I could see being a neo-Franklinist

309 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:56:52pm

re: #300 zombie

the right term may become obvious as you write your feelings down in the essay.

310 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:56:52pm

re: #297 vagabond trader

Yeah, but didn't they also have a hankering for our tender gamey buttocks?

Maybe. I didn't watch it.

311 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:57:05pm

re: #299 Iron Fist

Worse than Peter Singer? That is a very rare hothouse flower. He should be given the opertunity to take a long vacation at the bottom of a hole somewhere out of the way. Take time to become one with the environment, as it were.

It's really his duty to try and allieviate the overpopulation problem. By ceasing to be part of the population.

Believe it or not, the pro-pedophilia professor is a she.

312 rightymouse  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:57:08pm

re: #288 EmmmieG

What about patent rights?

Good question.

In theory, once an idea is released to the market, it's no longer your property unless you can protect it personally. It's only protected by law, and even then, you have to have the means to use the government (courts) as a remedy if there is a violation.

313 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:57:08pm

re: #303 Dr. Shalit

EmmmieG -

See: PHILO T. FARNSWORTH. The Patent system is good, not perfect.

-S-

Yes, but it's better than no system at all. The rich and powerful are rarely the developers of new technologies. That said, I realize that most patents are now awarded to companies, not individuals.

314 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:57:56pm

re: #224 DEZes

I have to get one of these
;)

Nice

315 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:58:06pm

re: #214 vagabond trader

That was a very big deal back in it's day, remember? Funny how it came and went so fast.

316 Bloodnok  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:58:10pm

* Kepler’s telescope is so powerful that, from its view up in space, it could detect one person in a small town turning off a porch light at night.

I bet it still couldn't find a light on in North Korea, though...

317 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:58:18pm

re: #309 nyc redneck

the right term may become obvious as you write your feelings down in the essay.

That's the problem. I've been writing the essay, and still nothing has cropped up. In fact, it's becoming a serious stumbling block, not having a word to refer to.

318 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:58:21pm

re: #298 Dr. Shalit

yma o hyd -

There is an expression in Yiddish that transliterates as "KUCHLEFFEL" - it is almost identical in German. It Means "Mixing Spoon." The MSM on both sides of the "Pond" have aspirations of being such as it comes to public affairs.

-S-

Nice one!

The funny thing is that we're quite happy with their stirring here, because they seem to have finally cottoned on to the fact that this NuLab government has to go, and that this country needs a General Election - something we ahv ebeen screaming for since 2007!

319 rightymouse  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:59:14pm

re: #300 zombie

Not bad, but I want to look forward, not to the past. Anything involving powdered wigs or square shoe buckles is off the list.


Why? Principles are eternal. They have nothing to do with powdered wigs, etc.

320 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:59:28pm

re: #302 Westward Ho

Westward Ho -

Rabbi Yehoshua ben Yoseph once said that his Father's House had Many Mansions and Flocks you Knew Not of. Go from there.

-S-

321 gmsc  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:59:43pm

re: #12 zombie

I am a conservative. I have conservative ideals.
I am a progressive. I have progressive ideals.
I am a libertarian. I have libertarian ideals.
I am a radical. I have radical ideals.
I am a liberal. I have liberal ideals.
I am a reactionary. I have reactionary ideals.
I am a revolutionary. I have revolutionary ideals.

I am a member of the smallest and most oppressed minority in the history of the world.

I am an individual. I have individual ideals.

322 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 12:59:48pm

re: #319 rightymouse

Better toss the Bill of Rights...

just kidding.

323 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:00:08pm

re: #315 Lincolntf

I read it's kind of a cult classic.

324 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:00:13pm

i just gave my big old puppy boy a bath,
suds him up w/ baby shampoo and double scrubbed him in the tub.
he is a 100 lbs. of personality plus. now he is at my feet curled up.
i got a fire going in the fire place to take the chill out of the air.

honestly, i can not imagine wab giving a dog a bath.

325 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:00:25pm
326 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:00:30pm

DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME STARTS MARCH 8TH!
Don't forget to turn your clocks forward an hour tonight.

327 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:00:45pm

re: #323 vagabond trader

Cults get all the good stuff.

328 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:00:51pm

re: #284 rightymouse

re: #312 rightymouse

Anyway, I'm not here to discuss the content of my (or any) philosophy, just looking for an appropriate word for the one I have. And "autarchy" doesn't seem to hit the nail on the head, whatever autarchy's merits may or may not be.

329 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:01:19pm

re: #300 zombie

Not bad, but I want to look forward, not to the past. Anything involving powdered wigs or square shoe buckles is off the list.

* * *

Frankly, Ben Franklin eschewed wearing wigs. While serving as our ambassador to France, Franklin popularized the "barbarian" American colonial beaver hat folks like Daniel Boone wore.

Franklin was waaaaay radical, like you!

330 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:01:25pm

re: #324 nyc redneck

Heh, that's what WH flunkies are for.Prolly order someone in uniform to do it.

331 The Shadow Do  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:01:30pm

re: #317 zombie

That's the problem. I've been writing the essay, and still nothing has cropped up. In fact, it's becoming a serious stumbling block, not having a word to refer to.

Maybe you should just write the essay and at the end invite people to call you names! That would be, ah, interesting?

332 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:01:33pm

re: #280 Desert Dog

Roundheads, anyone?

Well be back to Whigs and Tories soon!

333 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:01:59pm

Kepler Photo Galleries at Ball Aerospace

Interesting collection of images covering the Kepler Spacecraft throughout its construction. Ball Aerospace manufactured the spacecraft as well as the photometer.

334 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:02:13pm

re: #321 gmsc

I am a member of the smallest and most oppressed minority in the history of the world.

I am an individual. I have individual ideals.

Good points. Now: Turn "individual" into a usable word!

335 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:02:19pm

re: #301 nyc redneck

the fact that they have never had a pet is very telling.

i hope they don't get a dog.
the whole on going p.r. stunt is not abt. a dog, it's abt them.
i just can't imagine o and wab will be warm and loving owners.
too self centered , angry and needy.

Absolutely.
I can already see that poor little thing cringing whenever he sees or hears WAB.
I'm sorry for their daughters, but proper parents would not let their children have pets when they themselves feel uncomfortable around them.
And dogs especially are not just a live bundle of fur - its a commitment for as long as the dog is alive.

Makes me really sad, this whole PR stunt.

336 J.D.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:02:43pm

re: #329 alegrias

I always thought Daniel Boone wore a coonskin hat.

337 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:03:01pm

re: #319 rightymouse

Why? Principles are eternal. They have nothing to do with powdered wigs, etc.

* * *
Exactly.

"Cool" Obama may "rock" but his principles still suck.

Kleptomarxistfauxintelligence

338 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:03:11pm

re: #331 The Shadow Do

Maybe you should just write the essay and at the end invite people to call you names! That would be, ah, interesting?

That's what's gonna happen anyway.

339 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:03:49pm

re: #334 zombie

Good points. Now: Turn "individual" into a usable word!


Laudividnist

340 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:04:03pm

re: #336 J.D.

I always thought Daniel Boone wore a coonskin hat.

>

and a Kerwood Derby for formal occasions

341 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:04:28pm

US is up 6-3 in the 7th. I missed the recent scoring.

342 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:04:41pm

re: #324 nyc redneck

i just gave my big old puppy boy a bath,
suds him up w/ baby shampoo and double scrubbed him in the tub.
he is a 100 lbs. of personality plus. now he is at my feet curled up.
i got a fire going in the fire place to take the chill out of the air.

honestly, i can not imagine wab giving a dog a bath.

* * *
There's 96 staff in the White House to do the Obama's bidding, plenty will do doggie duty for Obama's dog.

343 rightymouse  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:04:55pm

re: #328 zombie

re: #312 rightymouse

Anyway, I'm not here to discuss the content of my (or any) philosophy, just looking for an appropriate word for the one I have. And "autarchy" doesn't seem to hit the nail on the head, whatever autarchy's merits may or may not be.


No argument there.

I understand what you are looking for because I've asked myself the same question.

The English language, however, may fail in its ability to give you just a word.

344 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:04:59pm

re: #326 vapig

DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME STARTS MARCH 8TH!
Don't forget to turn your clocks forward an hour tonight.

It's just a scam to get us up an hour earlier.
If they changed the work day to 8-4 it would accomplish the same thing, but people would complain all summer that they were getting up too early.

345 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:05:00pm

Whaty about consequentialism?

Before we decide on a policy course, we do our best to calculate the consequences of all the obvious alternatives.

346 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:05:02pm

re: #123 joncelli

As to the Kepler mission...I didn't think we'd discover planets around other stars in my lifetime, much less earth-like planets around other stars. If we were to find one, I could die a happy man. If we were to find a way to send a probe to one at something near the speed of light (or as near as we could get) I would be ecstatic.

Odds are any such planet would be at least 50 light years away, and the best speed we could make with a probe might be 1/10 the speed of light, so don't hold your breath.

Of course we could send them laser/radio messages at the speed of light, assuming there's anyone there listening, and caring. Just our luck if they then turn out to have warp drive themselves, and an insatiable appetite for two-legged, loud-mouthed mammals.

347 J.D.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:05:24pm

re: #340 albusteve

>

and a Kerwood Derby for formal occasions

otay

348 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:05:35pm

re: #317 zombie

That's the problem. I've been writing the essay, and still nothing has cropped up. In fact, it's becoming a serious stumbling block, not having a word to refer to.

Placeholder: ZPT

349 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:05:37pm

re: #339 vapig

Has "Individualist" been hopelessly co-opted by the wannabe Rambo's of the world? Probably. That blows.

350 Westward Ho  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:05:42pm

re: #320 Dr. Shalit

Dr. Yes!,

I most emphatically agree, I cannot beleive that we are alone in this infinity, but I don't beleive in the UFO & Alien abduction cranks.

351 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:05:43pm

OT, but kind of a joke on me.

I deliver Meals on Wheels on Fridays. Yesterday had a new senior added to my route. Had a little envelope with her name and address on it.

When I got to the house, I knocked and announced "Meals on Wheels". When there's no answer, we check to see if the door is unlocked (to check on our folks). It was open, so I stepped in and called out again. No answer.

So, using our standard ops, I put her meal in the refrigerator for her.

I got back to the senior center just as the coordinator was on the phone with this lady.

Turns out, the address on my little envelope was wrong, and I'd put the meal in the refrigerator of her neighbors across the street.

Wonder what they thought when they got home that night and found a tasty, freshly prepared meal in their refrigerator?

352 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:06:17pm

re: #324 nyc redneck

i just gave my big old puppy boy a bath,
suds him up w/ baby shampoo and double scrubbed him in the tub.
he is a 100 lbs. of personality plus. now he is at my feet curled up.
i got a fire going in the fire place to take the chill out of the air.

honestly, i can not imagine wab giving a dog a bath.

Blimey - nor can I!

Does your puppy boy tear through the house like a thing possessed once he's out of that bath?

Mine did/Madame still does - its very funny!

353 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:06:26pm

re: #335 yma o hyd

Absolutely.
I can already see that poor little thing cringing whenever he sees or hears WAB.
I'm sorry for their daughters, but proper parents would not let their children have pets when they themselves feel uncomfortable around them.
And dogs especially are not just a live bundle of fur - its a commitment for as long as the dog is alive.

Makes me really sad, this whole PR stunt.

Dogs are such lovable creatures. If you're sad or bothered, they don't care and they'll come and ask to be pet. They really are valuable companions.

354 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:06:26pm

re: #336 J.D.

I always thought Daniel Boone wore a coonskin hat.

* * * *
You're probably right. Sorry, English is not my first language!

355 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:06:30pm

re: #343 rightymouse

No argument there.

I understand what you are looking for because I've asked myself the same question.

The English language, however, may fail in its ability to give you just a word.

I came to the same conclusion, and actually explored words in foreign languages.

Zilch.

356 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:06:37pm

re: #344 Kosh's Shadow

It's just a scam to get us up an hour earlier.
If they changed the work day to 8-4 it would accomplish the same thing, but people would complain all summer that they were getting up too early.

I agree! I think the whole thing is silly! Why screw with your internal clock twice a year?

357 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:06:43pm

re: #336 J.D.

I always thought Daniel Boone wore a coonskin hat.

RACIST!

358 Muadib  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:06:53pm

re: #12 zombie

I am an American. I have common sense ideals.

359 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:07:17pm

re: #345 Salamantis

Whaty about consequentialism?

Before we decide on a policy course, we do our best to calculate the consequences of all the obvious alternatives.

The naysayers and mockers will change that to "inconsequentialism."

360 J.D.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:07:22pm

re: #357 Kosh's Shadow

RACIST!

You are quick! lol

361 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:07:24pm

Reminder: Bob Brinker live stream.
Real world finance/economic information. No conspiracies of partisan bullshit.

362 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:07:24pm

re: #358 Muadib

You're a clinger, admit it.

363 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:07:28pm

re: #326 vapig

DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME STARTS MARCH 8TH!
Don't forget to turn your clocks forward an hour tonight.

You poor things!

We have two more weeks of an extra hour's sleep in the morning!

:-)))

364 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:07:38pm

re: #346 itellu3times

Odds are any such planet would be at least 50 light years away, and the best speed we could make with a probe might be 1/10 the speed of light, so don't hold your breath.

Of course we could send them laser/radio messages at the speed of light, assuming there's anyone there listening, and caring. Just our luck if they then turn out to have warp drive themselves, and an insatiable appetite for two-legged, loud-mouthed mammals.

No. I'm sure they'll just want to serve Man.

365 Westward Ho  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:07:41pm

re: #285 Salamantis

Salamantis,

Where do you think the great filter is situated - in the past or future?

366 Muadib  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:07:48pm

Dear NASA,
more and faster please.

367 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:08:16pm

re: #313 EmmmieG

Yes, but it's better than no system at all. The rich and powerful are rarely the developers of new technologies. That said, I realize that most patents are now awarded to companies, not individuals.

EmmmieG -

Actually Farnsworth and RCA were working on similar projects. Zworkin was sent to Farnsworth as an Industrial Spy. RCA realized that Farnsworth WAS ahead of them and offered to buy him out. They bid too low (about 100K as I recall) and the rest is history. Farnsworth and RCA settled after extended litigation. What RCA did to Armstrong, the inventor of FM Radio, is far worse.

-S-

368 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:08:34pm

re: #351 subsailor68

OT, but kind of a joke on me.

I deliver Meals on Wheels on Fridays. Yesterday had a new senior added to my route. Had a little envelope with her name and address on it.

When I got to the house, I knocked and announced "Meals on Wheels". When there's no answer, we check to see if the door is unlocked (to check on our folks). It was open, so I stepped in and called out again. No answer.

So, using our standard ops, I put her meal in the refrigerator for her.

I got back to the senior center just as the coordinator was on the phone with this lady.

Turns out, the address on my little envelope was wrong, and I'd put the meal in the refrigerator of her neighbors across the street.

Wonder what they thought when they got home that night and found a tasty, freshly prepared meal in their refrigerator?

* * * *
Cannot believe people leave their front doors open.

369 Gus  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:09:33pm

re: #350 Westward Ho

Dr. Yes!,

I most emphatically agree, I cannot beleive that we are alone in this infinity, but I don't beleive in the UFO & Alien abduction cranks.

You mean like this guy?

That's Jeff Peckman, professional UFO nut weirdo.

370 J.D.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:09:37pm

re: #351 subsailor68

They're probably still scratching their heads trying to figure out who to thank.

371 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:09:41pm

From FreeRepublic: How not to run a blog....
Regarding salty talk aimed at the president (or other officials) vs visits from the SS

Unfortunately, we are saddled with a communist sympathizer in the White House. I don't know whether or not he's an actual card carrying commie, but he's definitely an America-hating, anti-capitalist Marxist leftist who thinks communism is the way to go. Now I remember when America used to fight against communism. It wasn't that long ago. Many of us on FR are veterans of wars against communism and some of us believe that American citizens who are communists are the enemy within, ie, the domestic enemy we've sworn to defend against. American citizen? hmmmm... that may be a loophole for Obama.

At any rate, the oath is to defend our constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. I can imagine that this places an enormous strain on our Secret Service agents. It's obvious to anyone with a brain that Obama is an enemy of the constitution. So should the SS defend the constitution or defend the anti-constitution commie?

So now comes the problem. If you feel it's your duty to call Obama a traitor and use salty language in your proposed resolution, ie, suggest the commie be keelhauled, walked off the plank, run up the yardarm, tarred and feathered and run out of Dodge, etc, etc, etc, you may be facing a visit from your friendly Secret Service. And even though your visiting agent may agree politically, and may take his oath to the constitution seriously, he's still sworn to protect the officeholder and it's his duty to take all threats seriously. And that may include serving me with a subpoena to turn over your IP address. Now I'm duty bound to protect your privacy to the best of my ability, but I cannot defend against stupidity.

Best advice I can give is to keep it to yourself. Don't post anything that may embarrass you later, or end you up in the slammer.

Ever vigilant.

Keep your powder dry.

Take a scroll through the comments.

372 zombie  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:09:48pm

OK, folks, it's been fun. You had your chance! Gotta run now.

Looks for my essay in...oh, about two or three years, at this rate.

373 J.D.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:10:21pm

re: #354 alegrias

* * * *
You're probably right. Sorry, English is not my first language!

What is your first language, if you don't mind my asking.

/sometimes some people do mind

374 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:10:32pm

re: #359 zombie

The naysayers and mockers will change that to "inconsequentialism."

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Unintended consequentialism.
Like the Great Society programs!

375 Miss Molly  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:10:35pm

Barry is "tired and weary" because he is in a job way over his head and for which he is not qualified to have. And this is just the beginning. What is he going to do when Iran goes nuclear? Apparently his staff admitted that he can't work on domestic problems and foreign problems at the same time ---because he isn't qualified for the job!

376 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:10:45pm

re: #349 Lincolntf

Has "Individualist" been hopelessly co-opted by the wannabe Rambo's of the world? Probably. That blows.

No telling. Zombie just asked for a do-able word for individual, so I just spelled the sucker backward. It looked do-able so I added st to the end.
Hence: Laudividnist

You could stick another i in there for Laudividinist, but it already sounds like a religion.

377 Muadib  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:10:55pm

re: #362 Lincolntf

You're a clinger, admit it.

It's more like a steady hand and a sharp eye.

378 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:11:01pm

re: #359 zombie

The naysayers and mockers will change that to "inconsequentialism."

Too bad. Ramificationism doesn't sound as catchy.

379 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:11:46pm

re: #326 vapig

DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME STARTS MARCH 8TH!
Don't forget to turn your clocks forward an hour tonight.

what ridiculous thing are you speaking about? changing clocks? we don't believe in that here in az.

380 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:12:12pm

re: #367 Dr. Shalit

EmmmieG -

Actually Farnsworth and RCA were working on similar projects. Zworkin was sent to Farnsworth as an Industrial Spy. RCA realized that Farnsworth WAS ahead of them and offered to buy him out. They bid too low (about 100K as I recall) and the rest is history. Farnsworth and RCA settled after extended litigation. What RCA did to Armstrong, the inventor of FM Radio, is far worse.

-S-

During our unit on waves, I actually had a talk to my homeschool science class about Brother Farnsworth, because he was LDS (admittedly not particularly devout.), and so are the kids. The legal system definitely failed him, although he was able to watch the lunar landing before he died, and was thrilled with being able to do that.

I just wonder if there is some inventor somewhere getting the same treatment right now. As overgrown as our legal system is, it doesn't work as well as I wish it did.

381 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:12:33pm

re: #326 vapig

DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME STARTS MARCH 8TH!
Don't forget to turn your clocks forward an hour tonight.

vapig -

As my computer is about a year old, and my phone is a wireless (AT&T for the Record) - No Problem. They change automatically. As to the older and dumber clocks - I shall adjust them tomorrow.

-S-

382 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:13:12pm

re: #363 yma o hyd

You poor things!

We have two more weeks of an extra hour's sleep in the morning!

:-)))

Besides rubbing it in, I just really think the whole thing is ridiculous! Just get used to longer or shorter days just like everybody has done forEVER!

383 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:13:14pm

re: #365 Westward Ho

Salamantis,

Where do you think the great filter is situated - in the past or future?

We should fervently hope that it is in the past, because we may not be able to breach a future Great Filter.

The creation of nuclear weapons is one such possible filter. The creation of weaponized organisms is another.

384 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:13:33pm

re: #368 alegrias

* * * *
Cannot believe people leave their front doors open.

Well, it's a fairly small town in the Texas Hill Country, so it's not unusual. I have several folks on the route who routinely leave their doors unlocked when they have an appointment somewhere, and they know I'm delivering.

One crime blurb from around here pretty much describes the folks: "an unknown actor entered a home and departed with a pot roast and a boot scraper."

385 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:13:43pm

re: #373 J.D.

What is your first language, if you don't mind my asking.

/sometimes some people do mind

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Spanglish spoken by British/German accented people.

386 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:13:44pm

re: #353 Kosh's Shadow

Dogs are such lovable creatures. If you're sad or bothered, they don't care and they'll come and ask to be pet. They really are valuable companions.

They really are!
Big Dog came when I sniffled because I was trying not to cry, and put his head on my knees ... but when I sniffled because I couldn't find my hankie fast enough, he didn't bother coming.

The flip side is that we, of course, learn to know all the different sounds and expressions on their faces, telling us what they want, need, or are up to!

387 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:13:48pm

re: #379 phoenixgirl

what ridiculous thing are you speaking about? changing clocks? we don't believe in that here in az.

Smart State. I know there are a few out there!

388 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:14:50pm

re: #376 vapig

"Laudividnist" somehow reminds me of Wiilliam S. Burroughs. That can't be good.

389 rawmuse  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:15:14pm

re: #12 zombie

Pragmatist

390 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:15:41pm

re: #375 Miss Molly

Barry is "tired and weary" because he is in a job way over his head and for which he is not qualified to have. And this is just the beginning. What is he going to do when Iran goes nuclear? Apparently his staff admitted that he can't work on domestic problems and foreign problems at the same time ---because he isn't qualified for the job!

* * *
Ding Ding Ding. Peter Principled into office by "Hopers" and utopianists.

391 J.D.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:16:05pm

re: #385 alegrias

* * *
Spanglish spoken by British/German accented people.

My neighbors still have British accents, even though they have been here for 40 years. I love listening to them.

392 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:16:09pm

re: #381 Dr. Shalit

vapig -

As my computer is about a year old, and my phone is a wireless (AT&T for the Record) - No Problem. They change automatically. As to the older and dumber clocks - I shall adjust them tomorrow.

-S-

My clocks (the ones I wake up by) are all dumb and I don't want to be late for church tomorrow. My church is small enough that Pastor always notices when I'm late or play hooky.

393 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:16:27pm

re: #383 Salamantis

We should fervently hope that it is in the past, because we may not be able to breach a future Great Filter.

The creation of nuclear weapons is one such possible filter. The creation of weaponized organisms is another.

Or a religion appears that drives people back to the stone age and they die of a natural disaster.
/Any resemblance to any terrestrial religion, currently practiced or practiced in the past, is unintentional.

394 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:16:39pm

re: #375 Miss Molly

Barry is "tired and weary" because he is in a job way over his head and for which he is not qualified to have. And this is just the beginning. What is he going to do when Iran goes nuclear? Apparently his staff admitted that he can't work on domestic problems and foreign problems at the same time ---because he isn't qualified for the job!

He seems to have misoverestimated his qualifications.

395 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:16:43pm

re: #387 vapig

Smart State. I know there are a few out there!

people up north like it and it's a good idea...AZ doesn't need the time change

396 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:16:43pm
397 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:16:58pm

re: #389 rawmuse

Pragmatist

John Dewey and Ricard Rorty, the two most famous American philosophical pragmatists after William James, are unfortunately inextricably interwoven with far left politics.

398 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:17:07pm

re: #388 Lincolntf

"Laudividnist" somehow reminds me of Wiilliam S. Burroughs. That can't be good.

Meh?! I gave it a shot.....;^)

399 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:17:11pm

re: #384 subsailor68

Well, it's a fairly small town in the Texas Hill Country, so it's not unusual. I have several folks on the route who routinely leave their doors unlocked when they have an appointment somewhere, and they know I'm delivering.

One crime blurb from around here pretty much describes the folks: "an unknown actor entered a home and departed with a pot roast and a boot scraper."

* * *
Glad to hear thousands of starving Mexicans and their cruel criminal coyotes aren't making tracks through your house!

400 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:18:04pm

re: #382 vapig

Besides rubbing it in, I just really think the whole thing is ridiculous! Just get used to longer or shorter days just like everybody has done forEVER!

Absolutely!

Birds and ever earlier daylight should wake one up naturally anyway - well, it wakes me up!

I've got two clocks set to daylight saving times, and two to GMT.
Won't change them - bit of mental arithmetic hasn't done anybody any harm.

401 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:18:05pm

re: #397 Salamantis

John Dewey and Ricard Rorty, the two most famous American philosophical pragmatists after William James, are unfortunately inextricably interwoven with far left politics.

did anyone offer constitutionalist?

402 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:18:13pm

re: #393 Kosh's Shadow

Or a religion appears that drives people back to the stone age and they die of a natural disaster.
/Any resemblance to any terrestrial religion, currently practiced or practiced in the past, is unintentional.

Or a religion that drives people back to the stone age, and they stay there ... until the cockroaches evolve a greater intelligence and wipe them out.

403 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:18:21pm

re: #391 J.D.

My neighbors still have British accents, even though they have been here for 40 years. I love listening to them.

* * *
Lovely, int it?

404 Miss Molly  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:18:36pm

Alegrias -- Barry and way to many others in the government are "peter principled" to places they should never go. I just get sick when I really start to think about all the destruction Barry is going to do.

405 rightymouse  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:18:37pm

re: #355 zombie

I came to the same conclusion, and actually explored words in foreign languages.

Zilch.

Well...good luck with your endeavor. Liberty/freedom principles work for me. :)

406 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:18:45pm

re: #342 alegrias

* * *
There's 96 staff in the White House to do the Obama's bidding, plenty will do doggie duty for Obama's dog.

i guess the point i'm making is what happens afterwards,
when they leave the white house.
my feeling is she, herself, doesn't have the personality to care for a dog.

407 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:19:28pm

re: #393 Kosh's Shadow

Or a religion appears that drives people back to the stone age and they die of a natural disaster.
/Any resemblance to any terrestrial religion, currently practiced or practiced in the past, is unintentional.

It could very well be that an extinction level event occurs every few million years on just about every planet in every solar system, just because comets and meteorites are inevitably created by solar system formation or snagged by their gravitational pull.

408 J.D.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:19:41pm

re: #403 alegrias

* * *
Lovely, int it?

It is, and they are so cute.

409 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:19:43pm

re: #400 yma o hyd

Absolutely!

Birds and ever earlier daylight should wake one up naturally anyway - well, it wakes me up!

I've got two clocks set to daylight saving times, and two to GMT.
Won't change them - bit of mental arithmetic hasn't done anybody any harm.

LOL! I've done that before - and guess what? In a few months they are all right again! Go figure!

410 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:19:48pm

re: #355 zombie

I came to the same conclusion, and actually explored words in foreign languages.

Zilch.

You're a Zombie Doodle Dandy.

The strongest trademarks are arbitrary words given meaning by use.

411 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:19:53pm

re: #394 itellu3times

He seems to have misoverestimated his qualifications.

* * *
54% of voters are to blame for not doing their homework.

Caveat Emptor! Let the Voter Beware.

412 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:20:13pm

re: #380 EmmmieG

EmmmieG -

From what I recall his beloved wife "Pem" lived into 2006. As she worked with him, the story is almost too close for comfort.

-S-

413 Dustyvet  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:20:39pm

re: #384 subsailor68

Well, it's a fairly small town in the Texas Hill Country, so it's not unusual. I have several folks on the route who routinely leave their doors unlocked when they have an appointment somewhere, and they know I'm delivering.

One crime blurb from around here pretty much describes the folks: "an unknown actor entered a home and departed with a pot roast and a boot scraper."

Never had Pot Roast with boot scrapper before...sounds awful...:)

414 Miss Molly  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:20:49pm

If the Obama's really wanted a dog for their kids they could have had one long ago. I fear this puppy will be just another prop and photo opportunity that Barry and Michelle will use. I wouldn't let Michelle around my dog ever!

415 itellu3times  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:20:53pm

re: #409 vapig

LOL! I've done that before - and guess what? In a few months they are all right again! Go figure!

Turn them off and they'll still be right twice a day, DST or not.

416 nyc redneck  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:20:54pm

re: #352 yma o hyd

Blimey - nor can I!

Does your puppy boy tear through the house like a thing possessed once he's out of that bath?

Mine did/Madame still does - its very funny!

LOL, yes he goes crazy. rolling, growling, jumping and then he's tired.

417 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:21:15pm

re: #401 phoenixgirl

did anyone offer constitutionalist?

Me. Zombie thinks it's too specific for this country. I think Zombie will end up making one up.

418 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:21:21pm

re: #399 alegrias

* * *
Glad to hear thousands of starving Mexicans and their cruel criminal coyotes aren't making tracks through your house!

Yes, we've been fortunate so far. Not so some of our friends who have ranches down closer to the border. I do feel for the poor folks just trying to survive.

The coyotes on the other hand....

419 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:21:34pm

re: #406 nyc redneck

i guess the point i'm making is what happens afterwards,
when they leave the white house.
my feeling is she, herself, doesn't have the personality to care for a dog.

They'll probably sell it on ebay.

420 Ziggy Standard  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:21:43pm

re: #221 EmmmieG

Actually, the sci-fi idea I have is that there is a race of war-mongering, scary beings out there. Us. We have people on this planet that hack up other human beings with machetes, and they aren't even the worst ones we produce. (Close, though.)

Seriously, looking at the history of mankind, and how societies have done when they are tilted this way and that, I'm not sure a society more brutal than ours could get off of their planet. It would be very enlightening to do a survey of different societies, their commonly-held values and level of individual liberties, and their scientific successes.

We have the destructive urges of our ancestors and the technological means to destroy ourselves. There is cause to doubt whether we, or indeed any civilisation out there is capable of getting past that point in their history. Let's hope that's not the reason why space seems to be so quiet.

421 Miss Molly  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:21:45pm

Michelle has the personality of Lady MacBeth only worse.

422 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:21:50pm

re: #409 vapig

LOL! I've done that before - and guess what? In a few months they are all right again! Go figure!

Thats the idea - it works very well!

423 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:21:50pm

re: #392 vapig

My clocks (the ones I wake up by) are all dumb and I don't want to be late for church tomorrow. My church is small enough that Pastor always notices when I'm late or play hooky.

vapig -

Guess being Jewish was an advantage this year. Dumb clocks went off OK this morning.

-S-

424 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:22:48pm

re: #415 itellu3times

Turn them off and they'll still be right twice a day, DST or not.

it's not about clocks or time...it's about daylight....are you joking or do you actually miss the point?

425 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:23:00pm

re: #404 Miss Molly

Alegrias -- Barry and way to many others in the government are "peter principled" to places they should never go. I just get sick when I really start to think about all the destruction Barry is going to do.

* * *
Please don't get sick. We can vote out his "yes man" Congress in 2010 and toss the CHANGE we don't like, if we use our brains and enough others also decide to act.

426 J.D.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:23:05pm

re: #418 subsailor68

The coyotes on the other hand....


In my neighborhood, the coyotes have pulled small dogs off the leash and...well, you know...

427 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:23:27pm

re: #414 Miss Molly

If the Obama's really wanted a dog for their kids they could have had one long ago. I fear this puppy will be just another prop and photo opportunity that Barry and Michelle will use. I wouldn't let Michelle around my dog ever!

Me neither!

Speaking of - I'm off to walk Miss Daisy!

bbiab

428 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:23:57pm

re: #414 Miss Molly

If the Obama's really wanted a dog for their kids they could have had one long ago. I fear this puppy will be just another prop and photo opportunity that Barry and Michelle will use. I wouldn't let Michelle around my dog ever!

no kidding, i don't know why they don't let them have one, it's not like the parents or the kids for that matter have to deal with the clean up, they'll get to do the fun stuff, walk and feed and the staff will have to deal with the messes

429 Lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:24:11pm

re: #398 vapig

A for effort.

430 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:24:30pm

re: #406 nyc redneck

i guess the point i'm making is what happens afterwards,
when they leave the white house.
my feeling is she, herself, doesn't have the personality to care for a dog.

* * *
Our job is to make sure the Obama Water Poodle gets a new home in four years.

431 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:24:55pm
432 Miss Molly  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:25:30pm

alegrias -- you are right. Rather than get mad or sick the time will be much better spent on getting these people out of office in 2010 and then throwing out all their stupid changes. And just think how mad they will be when they get thrown out! -- Priceless!

433 toaster_empire  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:25:33pm

re: #47 Kosh's Shadow

That knowledge is one of the most depressing things I've ever had to come to grips with.

434 subsailor68  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:25:43pm

re: #426 J.D.

In my neighborhood, the coyotes have pulled small dogs off the leash and...well, you know...

Hmmm....I think your coyotes are a little different from ours. Ours are the two-legged kind.

;-)

435 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:25:44pm
436 Aviator  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:25:56pm

re: #413 Dustyvet

Never had Pot Roast with boot scrapper before...sounds awful...:)

Really tender after you beat hell out of the roast with the boot scrapper.

437 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:26:23pm

re: #416 nyc redneck

LOL, yes he goes crazy. rolling, growling, jumping and then he's tired.

LOL, they do dislike bath-time! Madame always looks as if she's submitting to the worst torture possible, and how can I do this to her!
Big Dog needed both my husband and me, stripped down, one to hold him, one to shampoo and shwoer him - and even then he escaped, half covered in shampoo!

He knew exactly when we thought of 'doing the water thing' with him - not even masses of biscuits could get him to the shower.
But try getting him out of the river! No way - he only came when he was exhausted, after a good 45 minutes of swimming and barking!

438 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:26:25pm

re: #326 vapig

DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME STARTS MARCH 8TH!
Don't forget to turn your clocks forward an hour tonight.

I have evolved beyond believing that changing the clock will really change anything except my sleep pattern for the worse.

439 Dustyvet  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:27:36pm

re: #436 Aviator

Really tender after you beat hell out of the roast with the boot scrapper.

Oh that's army pot roast...:P

And I'm not going to tell you what the frigging army does to chicken...:P

440 swamprat  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:27:50pm

re: #12 zombie
We occupy human bodies, on a material plane, on a planet hanging in the middle of space. You personally reject those things which do not make sense to you, as you should. But you object to those ideas which are obviously counter to your survival as a person first, then as a human being. Ideas deliberately counter to survival we label as "evil". Those that are contrary to survival because of mistaken concepts we label under the heading "confusion", or sometimes "chaos". You do not mind if people hold ideas that do not seem rational to you, as long as they do not impinge on ypur personal freedom, or the freedom of others. You support environmentalism, as long as it is not used as an excuse to limit freedom. You support science, for that is one of tools we use to expand our abilities and understand our world.

There is no way around it, zombie.

You are a "freedomist". There is no cure.

441 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:27:50pm

re: #432 Miss Molly

alegrias -- you are right. Rather than get mad or sick the time will be much better spent on getting these people out of office in 2010 and then throwing out all their stupid changes. And just think how mad they will be when they get thrown out! -- Priceless!

Thats the spirit!

442 joncelli  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:28:16pm

re: #346 itellu3times

Heh. I've basically arrived at the conclusion that any other life in the universe is either (A) So advanced that we don't even register on their senses or (B) So primitive that we are the most advanced beings around. Both are a bit scary in their own way.

443 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:28:33pm

re: #424 albusteve

it's not about clocks or time...it's about daylight....are you joking or do you actually miss the point?

Junk science - Algore believes that a clock can alter the length of daylight.

444 Westward Ho  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:29:11pm

re: #383 Salamantis

I hope too that the great filter is in the past given that the cambrian explosion of multicellurality burst into the scene just 0.5 billion years ago which is an astonishing 3 billion years after life first appeared on the planet and that we Homo sapiens had upright ancestors for nearly 6 million years compared to our at the most 10000 yrs of civilization. What gives me the optimism that we will be able to breach the great filter is the great acceleration of our capabilities since the industrial revolution.

Thanks for the wonderful link on the Fermi Paradox. It's so thought provoking.

445 albusteve  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:29:19pm

re: #438 debutaunt

I have evolved beyond believing that changing the clock will really change anything except my sleep pattern for the worse.

it gives your northern neighbors another hour of summer daylight...what's the big deal?

446 yma o hyd  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:29:31pm

Speaking of dogs - I better go, or Madame will subject me to the Collie Stare!

Seeya tomorrow, all being well!

447 rightymouse  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:29:45pm

re: #440 swamprat

You are a "freedomist". There is no cure.

I like that.

448 lincolntf  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:30:21pm

re: #440 swamprat

"Freedomism" sounds great, except when you actually say "Freedomism".
Then it sounds inane.

449 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:31:42pm

re: #445 albusteve

it gives your northern neighbors another hour of summer daylight...what's the big deal?

It will not! Have those lazy folks get up earlier instead of messing with my sleep - harumphhh!

450 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:31:59pm

re: #448 lincolntf

It sounds like a demagogue term. Just something to pander to the masses

451 alegrias  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:32:01pm

OK, Amigos, time for me to head back in Obama's direction--towards Washington DC, PlanetObama. It's been grand discussing how to escape the grip of this Obama orbit.

(To think during Reagan's Presidency I lived four blocks away and walked around the White House perimeter on my way to work! In retrospect, the Cold War was a good war and Reagan won it the smart way)

Remember, Yes We Can: Toss out Obama's Yes Men in 2010.

452 Miss Molly  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:32:01pm

Outside of making a ton of money on "global warning scares", Al Gore doesn't have any background or schooling in real science so I guess thats why he got so angry when someone confronted him with real science "facts" that were opposed to his "opinions"

Someone needs to yell at him that he is entitled to his "opinions" but he is not entitled to his own "facts".

453 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:34:41pm

re: #448 lincolntf

"Freedomism" sounds great, except when you actually say "Freedomism".
Then it sounds inane.

Since freedom = liberty, freedomism sounds like a vocabulary-challenged version of libertarianism.

454 reine.de.tout  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:36:12pm

Great news: Obama fumbled Brown visit because he’s in over his head

After insulting Gordon Brown during the British prime minister’s visit this week by ignoring protocol and cheaping out on the traditional gift exchange, the UK media has erupted in outrage. The Obama White House has now started to recognize the firestorm the new President created with our closest ally, and wants to assure the Brits that he meant no disrespect. Instead, Obama apparently wants to assure them that he’s simply in over his head and floundering (via Radio Equalizer):

Sources close to the White House say Mr Obama and his staff have been “overwhelmed” by the economic meltdown and have voiced concerns that the new president is not getting enough rest.
. . .
The American source said: “Obama is overwhelmed. There is a zero sum tension between his ability to attend to the economic issues and his ability to be a proactive sculptor of the national security agenda.

“That was the gamble these guys made at the front end of this presidency and I think they’re finding it a hard thing to do everything.”.

455 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:37:36pm
456 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:40:52pm

re: #431 ploome hineni

my TV has a wake up timer function

many TV's do

ploomie -

Mine too, don't use it, use a "$10.00 Electro/Alarm Clock" from K-Mart with an UGLY sound.
Gets me up every time.

-S-

457 Empire1  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:43:23pm

re: #213 Desert Dog
Right social libertarian here.

458 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:45:24pm

Just a randome thought on Franklin, who I believe to be one of the greatest geniuses America will ever produce. (Just to be clear on where I stand.)

One of his practices was to enter into busines with his apprentices when they reached Journeyman stage. He would send them to other colonies (i.e. not in direct competition with him), pay for part of the set-up cost, and get part of the profits for a period of time.

I've always thought it would be interesting to track what kind of influence it was on the colonies to have Franklin-trained and influenced printers up and down the seaboard. How did this affect the Revolution?

He doesn't mention how many there were, just "several."

459 vagabond trader  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:49:44pm

re: #454 reine.de.tout

Well, he seems fit enough to continue the perpetual campaign tour!

460 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:49:49pm
461 Salamantis  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:50:00pm

re: #458 EmmmieG

Just a randome thought on Franklin, who I believe to be one of the greatest geniuses America will ever produce. (Just to be clear on where I stand.)

One of his practices was to enter into busines with his apprentices when they reached Journeyman stage. He would send them to other colonies (i.e. not in direct competition with him), pay for part of the set-up cost, and get part of the profits for a period of time.

I've always thought it would be interesting to track what kind of influence it was on the colonies to have Franklin-trained and influenced printers up and down the seaboard. How did this affect the Revolution?

He doesn't mention how many there were, just "several."

So Franklin pioneered the franchise.

Great.

Now I have to blame him for Starbucks, Taco Bell, and Mickey D's.

462 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 1:53:02pm
463 Throbert McGee  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:01:58pm

re: #150 tackle

OT: Russian media teases Clinton about fake "reset" button.

I discovered during my Web surfing a couple hours ago that the Russian word they actually needed was used to translate the title of the first Matrix sequel!

The "reloaded" in The Matrix: Reloaded became, in Russian, перезагрузка (perezagruzka), which is exactly the word Hillary's people should've used on the "Reset" button.

464 Throbert McGee  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:04:34pm

re: #448 lincolntf

"Freedomism" sounds great, except when you actually say "Freedomism".
Then it sounds inane.

"Freedom is, um, just another word for nothing left to lose..."

465 vapig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 2:05:27pm

re: #423 Dr. Shalit

vapig -

Guess being Jewish was an advantage this year. Dumb clocks went off OK this morning.

-S-

LOL! Yeah - no one changes the clocks Saturday morning!

466 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:02:37pm

re: #465 vapig

LOL! Yeah - no one changes the clocks Saturday morning!

Big Timex has ripped me of for the last time.

467 swamprat  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:03:29pm

re: #40 zombie

Not bad. But maybe too similar to Getoffamybackianism.

We could change the name of the country to
Getoffmybackistan.

We already have the flag.

468 debutaunt  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:06:24pm

re: #466 debutaunt

Big Timex has ripped me of for the last time.

And off, it's ripped me off, as well.

469 the_flying_pig  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 3:16:54pm

I would like to have a 95 mp digital camera to take a picture of a gnat landing on a surface from a mile away.

How soon would that product make it to a retail camera store?

470 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 5:29:56pm
471 Haywood Jabloeme  Sat, Mar 7, 2009 7:35:39pm

I see the "Tea Party" demonstrations get big publicity on conservative blogs / websites but I wonder when religious fundys will begin to protest the huge amounts of money that our govt spends on proving their most basic religious beliefs wrong?

This like the Mars missions, this one is yet another effort to prove a literal interpretation of Genesis wrong. If there are other "Earths" and they have life, Genesis is literally false.

Every $ spent on the support of biological research in the US is based on the assumption that fundy Christian beliefs are wrong.

Medicine - same.

When a fundy Christian goes to the Dr to get X-rays or the Oncologist to get radiation therapy, they are betting on the fact the the Bible is not literally correct ( the physics of the geological dating of rocks is based on the same physics as those diagnostic tools / therapies - if they are wrong then the X-rays would not work or the radiation therapy would kill them).

In this respect fundy Christian are hypocrites ans are like parasites - they are living off of the benefits of the society of which they are a part of while not participating in the production of those benefits and complaining all the time.

God Bless!

472 The Undead Buddy Holly  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:21:17am

What a giant waste of my tax dollars. I'm more science geeky than most, and I can't justify wasting $591 million serching for something that, even if discovered, we will not be able to reach with a one way robotic probe for centuries. All other science geeks are free to contribute to more of these boondoggles (welfare for scientists) on tyheir own.

The owner of Sally's hair salon, is not interested. It is both immoral and unconstitutional to force her to.

473 The Undead Buddy Holly  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 11:24:44am

I really should use preview.

474 emkkahn  Sun, Mar 8, 2009 6:52:15pm

It's quite refreshing to see stories about what humans can accomplish as opposed to what humans can destroy...
I have no problem with my tax money going toward the exploration of space...


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