Wiley Drake’s Imprecatory Prayers

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If you’re asking God to harm someone, is it really “God” you’re praying to? Associated Baptist Press - Drake, former SBC officer, says he’s praying for Obama to die (updated).

Wiley Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., and former running mate of American Independent Party presidential candidate Alan Keyes, said June 2 on Fox News Radio he didn’t understand why people were upset with his comments quoted by Associated Baptist Press from a webcast of his daily radio talk show.

“Imprecatory prayer is agreeing with God, and if people don’t like that, they need to talk to God,” Drake told syndicated talk-show host Alan Colmes. “God said it, I didn’t. I was just agreeing with God.”

Asked if there are others for whom Drake is praying “imprecatory prayer,” Drake hesitated before answering that there are several. “The usurper that is in the White House is one, B. Hussein Obama,” he said.

Later in the interview, Colmes returned to Drake’s answer to make sure he heard him right.

“Are you praying for his death?” Colmes asked.

“Yes,” Drake replied.

“So you’re praying for the death of the president of the United States?”

“Yes.”

Colmes asked Drake if he was concerned that by saying that he might be placed on a Secret Service or FBI watch list, and if he believed it appropriate to talk or pray that way.

“I think it’s appropriate to pray the Word of God,” Drake said. “I’m not saying anything. What I am doing is repeating what God is saying, and if that puts me on somebody’s list, then I’ll just have to be on their list.”

“You would like for the president of the United States to die?” Colmes asked once more.

“If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around, I am asking God to enforce imprecatory prayers that are throughout the Scripture that would cause him death, that’s correct.”

The current President of the Southern Baptist Convention has denounced Drake: Pastor’s comments on Tiller ‘unbiblical’.

Dr. Johnny Hunt, pastor of First Baptist Church of Woodstock, Georgia, and president of the SBC, says Drake’s comments are out of line.

“[That’s a] terrible statement, [a] very unbiblical statement,” Hunt responds. “I’m still encouraged that the [Book of] Proverbs teaches that God has the water in a channel — and my prayer has always that God would turn hearts.”

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781 comments
1 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:00:07pm

His flock needs to flounce.

2 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:00:33pm

I pray that Drake understands that praying for someone to die is wrong.

3 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:00:34pm

This guy is psychotic. He thinks his words are God's words.

4 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:00:49pm
5 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:01:43pm

Imprecate: to curse, to invoke evil on.

That doesn't sound like any God I worship.

6 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:01:55pm

re: #1 MandyManners

His flock needs to flounce.

I wouldn't count on it. Crazy has an attraction all its own.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:02:16pm

I hate to tell this man this, but there are zillions of elderly black church ladies praying for Obama's well-being, and I have a sneaking suspicion that their prayers may count for more than his.

8 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:02:35pm

Unfortunately, my people have the Pulsa diNura.

Used on Rabin.

Pulsa diNura or Pulsa Denoura. (Aramaic: פולסא דנורא "lashes of fire") is a purportedly kabbalistic ceremony in which the angels of destruction are invoked to block heavenly forgiveness of the subject’s sins, causing all the curses named in the Bible to befall him resulting in his death. However, the Torah prohibits to pray that something bad should happen to someone else. Rather it offers the solution to pray that the bad in the person dies and he becomes a righteous person. The source for this modern ritual is not to be found in Kabbalah, but among the Hebrew magical manuals of antiquity, such as Sefer ha-Razim and Harba de-Moshe.[1]

9 haakondahl  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:02:42pm

2016 here we come!

10 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:03:37pm
"Are you praying for his death?” Colmes asked.

“Yes,” Drake replied.

“So you’re praying for the death of the president of the United States?”

“Yes.”

Colmes asked Drake if he was concerned that by saying that he might be placed on a Secret Service or FBI watch list, and if he believed it appropriate to talk or pray that way.

“I think it’s appropriate to pray the Word of God,” Drake said. “I’m not saying anything. What I am doing is repeating what God is saying, and if that puts me on somebody’s list, then I’ll just have to be on their list.”

The Hitchens/Dawkins brigade have a real point, in Drake's case: Religion is just a mask for this guy's madness, a justification for his evil.

The best way to make the anti-religion crowd win the argument is to fulfill their worst predictions about you.

11 nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:03:40pm

And wackos on the left used to pray for President Bush's early demise also.

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:03:46pm

re: #8 Ben Hur

Unfortunately, my people have the Pulsa diNura.

Used on Rabin.

Also used on Sharon, and Saddam Hussein. What a trio.

Feh. Kabbalists.

13 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:04:05pm

it's bad enough to think these thoughts, but to actually say them is beyond the pale.

dude ... try to vote his ass out in 2012, that's the American way. there's a word for your type of person: "motherfuckingnaziscumbagbastard."

14 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:04:50pm

re: #11 nevergiveup

And wackos on the left used to pray for President Bush's early demise also.


SILENCE!

15 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:05:00pm

re: #11 nevergiveup

And wackos on the left used to pray for President Bush's early demise also.


and we rightly denounced them too

16 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:05:00pm

This is ridiculous. There is no scripture to my knowledge that calls for us to pray for someone to die. We are to pray for our enemies that their hearts be changed. Good Lord!

17 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:05:26pm

re: #11 nevergiveup

And wackos on the left used to pray for President Bush's early demise also.

That's true.

18 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:05:39pm

re: #11 nevergiveup

And wackos on the left used to pray for President Bush's early demise also.

Who?

19 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:06:27pm

Irony would be for Wiley Drake to pass on, and get to the pearly gates. On meeting God, Wiley would no doubt ask why he died.

"Because, Wiley, someone with more pull than you invoked an imprecatory prayer."

Mr. Drake, I don't believe God would do that to you.

I also don't believe God would do that for you.

20 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:07:10pm

re: #11 nevergiveup

And wackos on the left used to pray for President Bush's early demise also.

/I think you can still get the doll & pins set on-line...

21 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:07:31pm

re: #18 MandyManners

Who?

HUFFINGTON POST
DAILYKOS

22 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:07:33pm

re: #8 Ben Hur

Unfortunately, my people have the Pulsa diNura.

Used on Rabin.

There are also rarely-used "hexes" in paganism. Zsuzanna Budapest (famous witch figure in the '80s) did a similar "hex" on rapists wishing for their deaths, and caused great controversy in the pagan community -- if it was OK to use "magick" for negative purposes.

Most religions have such an aspect, but most are embarrassed by it.

23 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:07:38pm

re: #18 MandyManners

Who?

Insane Clown Posse...but what do you expect from Insane Clowns?

24 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:07:51pm

So how long before the MSM picks this up and labels him a conservative preacher?

25 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:07:59pm

OT: Breaking

Chrysler Asset Deal Stayed by U.S. Supreme Court, Lawyer Says

/not so fast TOTUS

26 MJ  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:08:28pm

Usurper?

Anyone want to venture a guess as to why he thinks the president is a usurper ?

27 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:08:29pm

That's just heinous. I dislike Obama intensely but praying to God to harm him is outrageous.
And I have a sneaking suspicion that God knows that too.....

28 poteen  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:08:32pm

Drake is a media whoring loon. He's been in and out of the news for 30 yrs. Just when you think he's done he'll say or do something outrageous. Colmes gave him a forum and now they're both back.

29 haakondahl  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:08:40pm

re: #25 Killian Bundy

OT: Breaking

Chrysler Asset Deal Stayed by U.S. Supreme Court, Lawyer Says

/not so fast TOTUS

YES!

30 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:09:00pm

re: #11 nevergiveup

And wackos on the left used to pray for President Bush's early demise also.

I don't remember Hannity digging up an ignorant Bush hating pastor for an interview.

31 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:09:04pm

re: #11 nevergiveup

And wackos on the left used to pray for President Bush's early demise also.

re: #18 MandyManners

Who?

MOST of them, at least around here.

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:09:23pm

=re: #20 brookly red

/I think you can still get the doll & pins set on-line...

There used to be (may still be) a line of catnip toys (very good ones) that were made as little dolls of various political figures. They had Clinton, and Gingrich, and some other people. I don't think there was any implication, though, that your cat chewing on these would cause any larger effect in the world.

33 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:09:37pm

This Mr. Drake is quite an asshole.

34 haakondahl  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:09:54pm

re: #25 Killian Bundy

OT: Breaking

Chrysler Asset Deal Stayed by U.S. Supreme Court, Lawyer Says

/not so fast TOTUS

Go Indiana!

35 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:10:06pm

The sad part?

The media is increasingly holding up these asswipes as legitimate representatives of opinions on the right.

Dammit!

36 ointmentfly  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:11:11pm

Man I wish I was a lib sometimes.... They have endless quotes and idiot pastors lined up around the corner just salivating at the thought of eating their feet!

Beginning the Goldwater revival...NOW.

37 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:11:29pm

re: #35 Racer X

The sad part?

The media is increasingly holding up these asswipes as legitimate representatives of opinions on the right.

Dammit!

And there is no right wing media to dig up equally ignorant asswipes on the left. You have to read them on Kos and Huffpo, and ABC CBC NBC comments.

38 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:11:30pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

=

There used to be (may still be) a line of catnip toys (very good ones) that were made as little dolls of various political figures. They had Clinton, and Gingrich, and some other people. I don't think there was any implication, though, that your cat chewing on these would cause any larger effect in the world.

Reminds me of Bill Murray, as Hunter Thompson, in Where the Buffalo Roam, training his dog to attack a dummy of Nixon.

39 wiffersnapper  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:12:34pm

Wow, just wow

40 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:12:34pm

I pray that Obama comes to his senses.

But I pray for the deaths of Ahmadinejad and the Mad Mullahs.
I don't think they can be rehabilitated.

41 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:12:35pm

Wiley has some serious issues with prayer he needs to get cleared up.

It's crystal clear his thought process is all fucked up!

Drake's Smite Thee Game
//

42 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:12:39pm

People Choose News That Fits Their Views

Conservatives buck the trend

Some findings from both researchers suggest that individual confidence and certainty play a role in what people choose to read.

People with stronger party affiliation, conservative political views, and greater interest in politics proved more likely to click on articles with opposing views, according to the Ohio State study.

"It appears that people with these characteristics are more confident in their views and so they're more inclined to at least take a quick look at the counterarguments," Knobloch-Westerwick noted.

However, Knobloch-Westerwick added that her latest study was not designed to assess reader motives, and that she hopes to more carefully study the issue in the future.

The Brigham Young University survey found that journalists also tended to read liberal blogs - perhaps a reflection of journalists' political beliefs, although even conservatives said liberal blogs were often better-written, Davis pointed out.

Among the political blog readers, a similar trend emerged in which "liberals read almost exclusively liberal blogs, but conservatives tend to read both," Davis said.

Interesting read.

43 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:12:45pm

re: #27 LGoPs

That's just heinous. I dislike Obama intensely but praying to God to harm him is outrageous.
And I have a sneaking suspicion that God knows that too.....

Hmmmm, & there are those who think O is a punishment from God, personally,I leave politics out of prayer.

44 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:13:02pm

re: #23 redstateredneck

There's a hilarious story in The Onion about Insance Clown Posse having to get a ride from their mother to their concert. I can't post a link because The Onion is blocked here at work.

45 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:13:05pm

re: #25 Killian Bundy

OT: Breaking

Chrysler Asset Deal Stayed by U.S. Supreme Court, Lawyer Says

/not so fast TOTUS

Rats. Right now it says "Story to Follow." I'm really hoping this is a victory for secured bondholders. If not, the bond market will be in deep trouble. People purchase bonds for the extra protection they offer. Without it, who would take the risk?

46 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:13:07pm

Lord's Prayer....

Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as in heaven.

God's will is accomplished, done in heaven, it still needs to be done on earth.

First point: the Christian principal is to pray God's will into being on earth. It is not necessarily to take action. Taking action is another discussion, and is manifest by the fruit of the Spirit.

Second point: The Christian through that prayer is to discover what God's will is. Not make our will, our opinion, our desires into God's will.

47 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:13:25pm

re: #35 Racer X

The sad part?

The media is increasingly holding up these asswipes as legitimate representatives of opinions on the right.

Dammit!

That pisses me off as much as Drake. Where were the MFM reporting this crap when done by the left?

48 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:13:31pm

re: #43 brookly red

Hmmmm, & there are those who think O is a punishment from God, personally,I leave politics out of prayer.

Me too. Render unto Caesar and all that.

49 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:13:47pm

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

I pray that Obama comes to his senses.

But I pray for the deaths of Ahmadinejad and the Mad Mullahs.
I don't think they can be rehabilitated.

this is the same as wishing hitler or mao to die ... i can support it and agree.

50 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:14:14pm

re: #35 Racer X

The sad part?

The media is increasingly holding up these asswipes as legitimate representatives of opinions on the right.

Dammit!

Sad part? Get with the program! That's the media's main strategy! Been in place for some time -- to marginalize the Right after Obama wins by relentlessly highlighting the worse of the extreme right as the representatives of conservatism. And it's a plan that's working well. Why do you think that Pat Buchanan is always a pundit on TV? Why does Huckabee have his own show? Why is Ron Paul and his followers getting so much press?

Not because the media LIKES these people. The media is promoting them BECAUSE those figures are so wacko-extreme that they discredit the rest of us.

Many many people are falling for this scheme. Unfortunately.

51 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:14:17pm

Whatever happened to "and pray for those who persecute you"?

Not that Obama's persecuting Baptists, or anything, but I hadn't noticed that imprecations helped anyone.

52 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:14:34pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

=


There used to be (may still be) a line of catnip toys (very good ones) that were made as little dolls of various political figures. They had Clinton, and Gingrich, and some other people. I don't think there was any implication, though, that your cat chewing on these would cause any larger effect in the world.

yeah, and burning effigies don't work so good either...

53 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:14:36pm

Even when Clinton was president conservatives didn't stoop this low. Why now? Why do some on the right feel a need to go overboard with the ODS?

54 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:14:36pm

SCOTUS just put a stay on the Chrysler sale. Maybe they will begin to reign in the Star Chamber.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:15:16pm

re: #52 brookly red

yeah, and burning effigies don't work so good either...

It was REALLY good catnip, though...

56 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:15:16pm

time to hit the road ...... good day all ....

57 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:15:20pm

Drakes web site {[Link: www.wileydrakeinbuenapark.com...] has an announcement about a 3 day Conference with members of the U.S. Congress. I'm asuming it would include dates/ times/ and what congreeperople will attend/ speak

For some reason (work puter?) I can open the website but NOT the link..Anyone? Does it show who the congressmen are ?

58 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:15:26pm

re: #45 subsailor68

I'm really hoping this is a victory for secured bondholders.

/hard to say, a stay isn't the same thing as agreeing to hear the case

59 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:15:50pm

I go to synagogue (almost) every Saturday.

Every Saturday we say a prayer for the gov of the USA and her leaders.

I still say it.

I don't think that's odd.

It's for the US, dammit.

60 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:15:56pm

re: #53 Racer X

Even when Clinton was president conservatives didn't stoop this low. Why now? Why do some on the right feel a need to go overboard with the ODS?

More of them have access to the internut now.

61 JustABill  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:16:01pm

re: #54 Shr_Nfr

SCOTUS just put a stay on the Chrysler sale. Maybe they will begin to reign in the Star Chamber.

I heard that on the other thread but can't find a link. Do you have one?

62 MJ  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:16:06pm

re: #53 Racer X

Even when Clinton was president conservatives didn't stoop this low. Why now? Why do some on the right feel a need to go overboard with the ODS?

Perhaps. But the Vince Foster conspiracy mongering was pretty low.

63 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:16:23pm

CHARLES WHY DO YOU HATE CRAZY ASS WHACK JOBS?

64 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:16:37pm

re: #53 Racer X

Even when Clinton was president conservatives didn't stoop this low. Why now? Why do some on the right feel a need to go overboard with the ODS?

It's my 10% rule. 10% of any population or group is nuts.

65 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:16:41pm

re: #57 sattv4u2

Drakes web site {[Link: www.wileydrakeinbuenapark.com...] has an announcement about a 3 day Conference with members of the U.S. Congress. I'm asuming it would include dates/ times/ and what congreeperople will attend/ speak

For some reason (work puter?) I can open the website but NOT the link..Anyone? Does it show who the congressmen are ?

That link has a } appended. It worked when I took that off.

66 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:16:54pm

re: #47 MandyManners

That pisses me off as much as Drake. Where were the MFM reporting this crap when done by the left?

re: #50 zombie

Sad part? Get with the program! That's the media's main strategy! Been in place for some time -- to marginalize the Right after Obama wins by relentlessly highlighting the worse of the extreme right as the representatives of conservatism. And it's a plan that's working well. Why do you think that Pat Buchanan is always a pundit on TV? Why does Huckabee have his own show? Why is Ron Paul and his followers getting so much press?

Not because the media LIKES these people. The media is promoting them BECAUSE those figures are so wacko-extreme that they discredit the rest of us.

Many many people are falling for this scheme. Unfortunately.

So they lionize Huck, and Buchannan, and Ron Paul, but they trash Palin. What's that about?

67 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:17:02pm

re: #47 MandyManners

That pisses me off as much as Drake. Where were the MFM reporting this crap when done by the left?

Egg-fucking-zactly!

Not a peep out of the MSM showing the morons on the left. Now its like they are seeking out these lunatics with zeal.

68 hazzyday  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:17:17pm

The guy is funneling his ego not the words of God. He is just not able to tell the difference or doesn't want to.

From the perspective of an "all in all" God everything one does has a seed in the will of God. The human condition though is to make the better choice. The lessor choice is to wish ill will on someone. Those are the people trying to drag you to hell claiming it is heaven.

69 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:17:18pm

re: #66 kansas

So they lionize Huck, and Buchannan, and Ron Paul, but they trash Palin. What's that about?


Hillary.

70 nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:17:26pm

re: #58 Killian Bundy

/hard to say, a stay isn't the same thing as agreeing to hear the case

Yeah ask all those on death row?

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:17:28pm

re: #53 Racer X

Even when Clinton was president conservatives didn't stoop this low. Why now? Why do some on the right feel a need to go overboard with the ODS?

Clinton was accused of just about everything, in his day. As for why the intensity, the insanity? Frankly, American politics has become all about victimhood. It's not very attractive, but there it is.

72 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:17:32pm

re: #52 brookly red

The first of those catnip toys I got was "Vet the Victim". My cat adored it. I never got any of the political ones.

73 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:17:43pm

re: #58 Killian Bundy

/hard to say, a stay isn't the same thing as agreeing to hear the case

My thoughts exactly! I'm cautiously optimistic, because it is Justice Ginsberg here. (Although, to be fair, I understand that Justice Ginsberg and Justice Scalia are very good friends - so she obviously has Justice Scalia's respect, and therefore mine as well.)

74 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:17:45pm

re: #67 Racer X

Egg-fucking-zactly!

Not a peep out of the MSM showing the morons on the left. Now its like they are seeking out these lunatics with zeal.

The MSM IS the morons on the left.

75 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:18:03pm

Also from DRAKES web page

The Presidential Prayer Team has asked that I relay this
information to my friends and colleagues so that it will reach
its goal of enlisting 2.8 million people (1% of the population)
to pray daily for the President.

I recommend that you join this effort and provide encouragement
to the President in this way.

76 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:18:12pm

re: #65 wrenchwench

That link has a } appended. It worked when I took that off.

Oh, you mean the link on that page. That doesn't work for me either.

77 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:18:22pm
If you’re asking God to harm someone, is it really “God” you’re praying to?

Sure. It's the god with the leathery wings, but...

78 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:18:30pm

re: #62 MJ

Perhaps. But the Vince Foster conspiracy mongering was pretty low.

Wait a minute - that one was REAL!

/

79 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:18:31pm

re: #66 kansas

So they lionize Huck, and Buchannan, and Ron Paul, but they trash Palin. What's that about?

Because they're afraid of Palin.

80 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:19:24pm

Happy 4:20.

81 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:19:28pm

re: #70 nevergiveup

Yeah ask all those on death row?

/that's not a bad analogy, Ruth was up against a deadline and apparently wants more time to think about it

82 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:19:42pm

As a Christian, I am deeply offended at this sick preacher's notion that God is his personal Hit Man. A true Christian would pray for God to grant wisdom and guidance to Obama, even to correct the error of his ways, but not for his death. Drake's prayer is an evil thought. It's not one that is going to God but in the other direction.

83 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:19:43pm

re: #75 sattv4u2

Also from DRAKES web page

The Presidential Prayer Team has asked that I relay this
information to my friends and colleagues so that it will reach
its goal of enlisting 2.8 million people (1% of the population)
to pray daily for the President.

I recommend that you join this effort and provide encouragement
to the President in this way.


I saw that. Kind of contradictory, eh?

84 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:19:44pm

re: #79 zombie

Because they're afraid of Palin.

Well, that's what I thought, but after the unrelenting attacks, it's difficult to not reassess that.

85 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:19:50pm

re: #35 Racer X

The sad part?

The media is increasingly holding up these asswipes as legitimate representatives of opinions on the right.

Dammit!

Not aimed at any particular poster here, but to play devil's advocate for a moment..... will we now be accused of making the "No True Scotsman" argument regarding Drake?

86 hazzyday  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:19:59pm

We should ask the MSM who they want for a Republican candidate in the next election.

87 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:20:00pm

re: #57 sattv4u2

Drakes web site {[Link: www.wileydrakeinbuenapark.com...] has an announcement about a 3 day Conference with members of the U.S. Congress. I'm asuming it would include dates/ times/ and what congreeperople will attend/ speak

For some reason (work puter?) I can open the website but NOT the link..Anyone? Does it show who the congressmen are ?

You had some extra characters in there. Try this: [Link: www.wileydrakeinbuenapark.com...]

The internal links are effed up and I can't find any names of attendees, either.

88 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:20:12pm

Mayh perayz aw fo all u cwackas to burn in teh hell fo turnity.

Have a Nice Day!

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:20:25pm

re: #59 Ben Hur

I go to synagogue (almost) every Saturday.

Every Saturday we say a prayer for the gov of the USA and her leaders.

I still say it.

I don't think that's odd.

It's for the US, dammit.


It's not odd at all. I'm a Democrat, and I said it all through both Bush terms. Why wouldn't I? I want blessings for whoever is leading my country, whether I voted for them or not.

90 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:20:30pm

re: #80 Ben Hur

Happy 4:20.

Hm, excuse me while I step out for some...fresh air.

91 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:20:38pm

re: #86 hazzyday

We should ask the MSM who they want for a Republican candidate in the next election.

McCain.

92 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:20:49pm

CNN Crawl: The Supreme Court has delayed the imminent sale of most of Chrysler's assets to a group led by Italian automaker Fiat.

93 ointmentfly  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:21:28pm

re: #67 Racer X

Egg-fucking-zactly!

Not a peep out of the MSM showing the morons on the left. Now its like they are seeking out these lunatics with zeal.

Unfortunately, not too many lefties invoke god, are former running mates of presidential candidates or an officer in a large and powerful religious organization. The ones in these types of positions keep their powder dry and let the loonies do their dirty work. On the right, the MSM ony has to hold the microphone while people in power eat feet.

94 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:21:34pm

re: #87 doppelganglander

You had some extra characters in there. Try this: [Link: www.wileydrakeinbuenapark.com...]

The internal links are effed up and I can't find any names of attendees, either.

THAT part I have, but it's the internals 9as you stated0 I can't open. I'm curious as to what congressmen Drake has lined up for this 3 day conference, and where it is

95 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:21:42pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

It's not odd at all. I'm a Democrat, and I said it all through both Bush terms. Why wouldn't I? I want blessings for whoever is leading my country, whether I voted for them or not.

Effen A.

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:21:44pm

I'm a Baptist.

I am wishing for a long, long life for the one-term President Barack Obama.

97 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:21:46pm

re: #72 Dianna

The first of those catnip toys I got was "Vet the Victim". My cat adored it. I never got any of the political ones.

cool, I had a "Mr. Landlord" chew toy for my pitbull...

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:22:09pm

re: #72 Dianna

The first of those catnip toys I got was "Vet the Victim". My cat adored it. I never got any of the political ones.

No stems, no seeds...

My father took one to Russia as a present for a friend's cat. Apparently, they don't know about catnip in Eastern Europe. It was a big hit.

99 S'latch  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:22:22pm

I had to look this up on the Internets: Apparently, an imprecation is a curse or a denunciation that conveys a wish or threat of evil. An imprecatory prayer is a prayer for evil or misfortune.

100 KenJen  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:22:28pm

re: #86 hazzyday

We should ask the MSM who they want for a Republican candidate in the next election.

Ron Paul.

101 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:22:30pm

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm a Baptist.

I am wishing for a long, long life for the one-term President Barack Obama.

heh,,, you don't LOOK like a Baptist

//

102 blangwort  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:22:42pm

This must the same "god" the Islamic Radicals pray to.

A true Christian would pray for God to give us and our enemies understanding, not to strike them down.

This is no man of the cloth. Nothing to see here, move along people...

103 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:22:46pm

re: #61 JustABill

Its on my Bloomberg Terminal (yes I have one at home) Here is the latest text.

Chrysler Fiat Sale Delayed by U.S. Justice Ginsburg (Update1)
2009-06-08 20:19:05.817 GMT


(Adds Ginsburg quote in third paragraph.)

By Greg Stohr and Tiffany Kary
June 8 (Bloomberg) -- Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg ordered a
delay in Chrysler LLC’s planned asset sale to a group led by
Italy’s Fiat SpA while the U.S. Supreme Court considers a
request for a longer postponement that might scuttle the deal.
A federal appeals court in New York last week allowed the
sale, while ordering the decision put on hold until 4 p.m. today
Washington time to let opponents seek Supreme Court
intervention. Indiana pension funds and consumer groups asked
for an order blocking the sale while the Supreme Court decides
whether to take up the funds’ appeal.
Ginsburg’s one-sentence order, which came only in the
pension fund case, said the bankruptcy court orders allowing the
sale “are stayed pending further order” of the Supreme Court.
Chrysler said in court papers that the sale is necessary to
stanch losses of $100 million a day. Chrysler said the sale,
which would transfer its Jeep, Chrysler and Dodge brands, would
help save 38,500 jobs plus those of workers at its suppliers.
Fiat has set a June 15 deadline for completion of the deal.
The Indiana pension funds hold $42.5 million of $6.9
billion in Chrysler secured loans.

104 MJ  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:23:34pm

Did this Pastor consider that if his prayer came to pass, that Joe Biden would be President?

105 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:23:53pm

re: #94 sattv4u2

THAT part I have, but it's the internals (as you stated) I can't open. I'm curious as to what congressmen Drake has lined up for this 3 day conference, and where it is

CHARLES ,,, any techie help here re: Drakes web page?

106 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:24:04pm

Dear Lord..Please kill anyone I disagree with...
//////////

107 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:24:19pm

re: #43 brookly red

Hmmmm, & there are those who think O is a punishment from God, personally,I leave politics out of prayer.

I pray for my country all the time. And that includes the political process.
There's nothing wrong with praying for good things for people, so I pray that our American way of life to be preserved, if that is God's will. The main thing that I had to learn with prayer is that sometimes God responds either with a "no/yes", or "wait and see what my real plan is".

108 pat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:24:28pm

Not sure what he is so upset about. Seems to be abortion, but it is not entirely clear.

109 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:24:31pm

Shouldn't he be praying for Obama's soul instead of his death?

110 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:24:34pm

re: #66 kansas

So they lionize Huck, and Buchannan, and Ron Paul, but they trash Palin. What's that about?

re: #67 Racer X

Egg-fucking-zactly!

Not a peep out of the MSM showing the morons on the left. Now its like they are seeking out these lunatics with zeal.

If I didn't know any better, I'd think that the MFM are in the back pocket of the DNC.

111 JustABill  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:24:38pm

re: #103 Shr_Nfr

Thanks.

112 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:24:38pm

re: #106 HoosierHoops

Dear Lord..Please kill anyone I disagree with...
//////////

I think the proper word is SMITE

113 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:24:44pm

re: #104 MJ

Did this Pastor consider that if his prayer came to pass, that Joe Biden would be President?

Not to mention the social unrest that would follow. Bad, bad, nightmare.

114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:25:09pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

Buddhist sect.

115 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:25:12pm

So where does Moses fit in here?

116 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:25:27pm

re: #106 HoosierHoops

Dear Lord..Please kill anyone I disagree with...
//////////

Lakers have big problems now!

Hey Hoopster!

117 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:25:36pm

re: #99 Lawrence Schmerel

I had to look this up on the Internets: Apparently, an imprecation is a curse or a denunciation that conveys a wish or threat of evil. An imprecatory prayer is a prayer for evil or misfortune.

Like performing a funerary mass for a living person, yes.

It's treating god as magic. Very annoying, really.

118 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:25:43pm

re: #110 MandyManners

If I didn't know any better, I'd think that the MFM are in the back pocket of the DNC.

It's not the back pocket, and no that's not a banana.

119 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:25:43pm

re: #115 brookly red

So where does Moses fit in here?

between the tablets,, shheeeshh!

120 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:25:51pm
"Who benefits the most from this man killing a doctor?" Drake asked. "We certainly don't. Pro-life people certainly don't. It hurts us. It damages us, but Obama will indeed advance it. This will be one of those crises to take advantage of, and he's already done that."

Frankly, that sounds like the commentators we see on MEMRI.

121 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:25:56pm

re: #103 Shr_Nfr

Chrysler said in court papers that the sale is necessary to
stanch losses of $100 million a day.

/um just how does the asset sale to Fiat suddenly stop the daily losses, magic?

122 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:26:15pm
123 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:26:18pm

re: #110 MandyManners

If I didn't know any better, I'd think that the MFM are in the back pocket of the DNC.

More like the front pocket. And they play pocket pool with each other.
/

124 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:26:34pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

I think the proper word is SMITE

Crap! let me check my prayer book..Chapter 666 ....I'm using the modern edition..Smite is so King James..
/Hi Satt! You ok today? Survived the weekend with all the kids?

125 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:26:45pm

re: #8 Ben Hur

Unfortunately, my people have the Pulsa diNura.

Used on Rabin.

Yeah but, the thing with the Pulsa Di Nura hex, if the person it's put on is not deserving of it, it comes back around to whammy the one that done hex'ed it.

126 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:26:45pm

re: #86 hazzyday

We should ask the MSM who they want for a Republican candidate in the next election.

They got to pick last time.

127 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:26:51pm

re: #118 kansas

It's not the back pocket, and no that's not a banana.

LOL!

128 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:26:53pm

re: #121 Killian Bundy

/um just how does the asset sale to Fiat suddenly stop the daily losses, magic?

They won;t be Chryslers losses anymore ,, they'll be FIATS !

See ,, problem solved !

Obamanomics 101

129 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:26:54pm

re: #3 zombie

This guy is psychotic. He thinks his words are God's words.

This is getting ridiculous.

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:27:04pm

re: #104 MJ

Did this Pastor consider that if his prayer came to pass, that Joe Biden would be President?

I'm sure he would be willing to start praying on Biden that same day. This guy doesn't sound stable enough to consider political consequences.

131 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:27:36pm

re: #116 jorline

{jorline} Haven't been reading the threads lately. You doing okay?

132 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:27:58pm

re: #124 HoosierHoops

Crap! let me check my prayer book..Chapter 666 ....I'm using the modern edition..Smite is so King James..
/Hi Satt! You ok today? Survived the weekend with all the kids?

4 were still there this morning when I left, only 2 were awake. They;'re supposed to decsend on another's house (the one on the lake) for the next day or two

133 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:28:07pm

re: #106 HoosierHoops

Dear Lord..Please kill anyone I disagree with...
//////////


A Vicar and his friend, Colin were playing golf.

Colin misses a 3 foot putt and yells, "Goddamn it, missed the bugger!" and the vicar says, "If you keep saying that then God will punish you."

Next hole Colin misses a 2 foot putt and says "Goddamn it, missed the bugger!" and the vicar says, "ONE more time Colin, and God will punish you!"

Then Colin misses a one foot putt and "GOD DAMN IT!MISSED THE BUGGER!"

Suddenly clouds form overhead. God comes down from Heaven and strikes the Vicar dead with a bolt of thunder.

God says, "Goddamn it! Missed the bugger!"

134 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:28:33pm

re: #116 jorline

Lakers have big problems now!

Hey Hoopster!

LOL..Soon the season will be over.. and I have to go cold turkey...
Dang Lakers!

135 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:28:41pm

re: #128 sattv4u2

They won;t be Chryslers losses anymore ,, they'll be FIATS !

See ,, problem solved !

Obamanomics 101

I hear that the first joint product Fiat Chrysler plans to market is the Executive Fiat.......
/

136 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:28:46pm

re: #94 sattv4u2

THAT part I have, but it's the internals 9as you stated0 I can't open. I'm curious as to what congressmen Drake has lined up for this 3 day conference, and where it is

I'm going to guess the congressmen are his imaginary friends and the conference will be held in Unicorn Glen.

137 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:29:00pm

re: #3 zombie

This guy is psychotic. He thinks his words are God's words.

Exactly.

Maybe I don't get it, but I always thought it was strange to pray and ask for certain things to happen.

I can pray for strength to deal with hardship; I can send a prayer of thanks for gifts received; but asking for particular things as if God is Santa just always seemed to me to be unseemly.

138 avanti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:29:32pm

re: #54 Shr_Nfr

SCOTUS just put a stay on the Chrysler sale. Maybe they will begin to reign in the Star Chamber.

Glad she waited until near the market closes, only cost a few points at the end. If Chrysler has to liquidate, it'll drop big and the job numbers will tank.

139 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:29:47pm

Prince Humperdinck: First things first, to the death.
Westley: No. To the pain.
Prince Humperdinck: I don't think I'm quite familiar with that phrase.
Westley: I'll explain and I'll use small words so that you'll be sure to understand, you warthog faced buffoon.
Prince Humperdinck: That may be the first time in my life a man has dared insult me.
Westley: It won't be the last. To the pain means the first thing you will lose will be your feet below the ankles. Then your hands at the wrists. Next your nose.
Prince Humperdinck: And then my tongue I suppose, I killed you too quickly the last time. A mistake I don't mean to duplicate tonight.
Westley: I wasn't finished. The next thing you will lose will be your left eye followed by your right.
Prince Humperdinck: And then my ears, I understand let's get on with it.
Westley: WRONG. Your ears you keep and I'll tell you why. So that every shriek of every child at seeing your hideousness will be yours to cherish. Every babe that weeps at your approach, every woman who cries out, "Dear God! What is that thing," will echo in your perfect ears. That is what to the pain means. It means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery forever.
Prince Humperdinck: I think your bluffing.
Westley: It's possible, Pig, I might be bluffing. It's conceivable, you miserable, vomitous mass, that I'm only lying here because I lack the strength to stand. But, then again... perhaps I have the strength after all.
[slowly rises and points sword directly at the prince]
Westley: DROP... YOUR... SWORD!
Prince Humperdinck: [Humperdinck's mouth hangs open, drops sword to floor]

140 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:29:48pm
141 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:29:49pm

re: #129 Ward Cleaver

This is getting ridiculous.

Rotating title nomination.

142 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:29:56pm

re: #131 midwestgak

{jorline} Haven't been reading the threads lately. You doing okay?

{gak} I haven't been on much either.

I'm ok...how are you?

143 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:29:57pm

re: #107 Soona'

I pray for my country all the time. And that includes the political process.
There's nothing wrong with praying for good things for people, so I pray that our American way of life to be preserved, if that is God's will. The main thing that I had to learn with prayer is that sometimes God responds either with a "no/yes", or "wait and see what my real plan is".

I have a WWII era army prayer book here & it includes the prayer for the government... interesting.

144 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:29:59pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

Not to mention the old adage: Be careful what you pray for...

145 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:30:10pm

re: #117 Dianna

Like performing a funerary mass for a living person, yes.

It's treating god as magic. Very annoying, really.

Very annoying.

146 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:30:16pm

I have had more than a passing acquaintance with men that think they are "right" with God in their judgments and attitudes about others even thought they go against Biblical teaching. Kind of like the hypocrites Jesus faced in his time.
Strain at a gnat, but swallow a camel.

But I still believe 90% +/- of self proclaimed Christians are good decent people.

147 MJ  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:30:17pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure he would be willing to start praying on Biden that same day. This guy doesn't sound stable enough to consider political consequences.

Then he would start praying for Joe Biden's death so that we'd have President Pelosi. I'm sure that would make him happy.
In effect, this guy would need to pray that the entire leadership of the US Government would need to wiped out.

148 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:30:20pm

re: #25 Killian Bundy

OT: Breaking

Chrysler Asset Deal Stayed by U.S. Supreme Court, Lawyer Says

/not so fast TOTUS

Yep, the pension funds have definite complaint

149 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:30:24pm

I happen to know for a FACT that God does NOT talk to Wiley Drake

Jesus told me so in person himself!

150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:30:42pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

Shucks. I was hoping to be first to ding that.

151 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:30:51pm

This guy is wrong on so many levels. One is calling Obama a "Usurper".
He did not sieze power , He won a legitimate election. I don't like it but the guy did not usurp anything.

152 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:31:14pm

re: #135 LGoPs

I hear that the first joint product Fiat Chrysler plans to market is the Executive Fiat.......
/

Heh.... one must wonder what someone was thinking when he named a car company "Fiat" (let it be).

That's almost as good as naming Chevy's economy car "Nova" and trying to sell it in Mexico.

153 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:31:26pm
154 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:31:34pm

I didn't know that God was part of a quaternity, that in addition to the Father, the Son, and the holy ghost there was also a hit-man.

155 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:31:36pm

I don't think anyone should be praying for Obama's death. It's the best way to turn him into a martyr. For better or worse, we have two years of unimpeded Democratic control of our federal government. It'll be a very rough ride. If current spending levels and policies continue, the U.S. economy will be severely damaged.

A new generation of young Americans needs to learn this lesson. If they've chosen the school of hard knocks through their vote for Obama, they, and their children, will pay dearly for that decision. The trouble is, so will everyone else.

156 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:31:45pm

Rev. Bubba is right there with Rev. Drake.

Youtube Video
157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:31:46pm

re: #139 Ben Hur

I enjoy the urgency in which he throws his sword down.

158 Land Shark  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:32:12pm

Praying to God that Obama dies? And he's a pastor of a Chrisitan church? He sure as heck ain't praying for me!

I'm praying the American people wake up from the Obama Trance they're in, though.

159 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:32:14pm

re: #137 reine.de.tout

Exactly.

Maybe I don't get it, but I always thought it was strange to pray and ask for certain things to happen.

I can pray for strength to deal with hardship; I can send a prayer of thanks for gifts received; but asking for particular things as if God is Santa just always seemed to me to be unseemly.

I always thought it insensitive when survivors of natural disaster on TV who would state that it was God who saved them. They would be standing right by people who had lost loved ones. Kind of like, God saved me, but your Mom died. What was her problem?

160 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:32:20pm

re: #113 kansas

Not to mention the social unrest that would follow. Bad, bad, nightmare.

Also don't forget the total Obama martyrdom/sainthood aspect that would be hard to beat in 2012.

161 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:32:31pm

re: #149 sattv4u2

I happen to know for a FACT that God does NOT talk to Wiley Drake

Jesus told me so in person himself!

I lost his freaking Cell Number..

162 NY Nana  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:32:37pm

Lovely. What the sodding Sauds think of secularists..

Phone in caller tells liberal Saudi during interview that he is a "Real Man" and would like to marry him and "F**k Him"

Liveleak Video

/Lovely people.

163 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:32:47pm

re: #152 eschew_obfuscation

Heh.... one must wonder what someone was thinking when he named a car company "Fiat" (let it be).

That's almost as good as naming Chevy's economy car "Nova" and trying to sell it in Mexico.

Something must be in the air!
I just got an e-mail from an online scrabble partner about that very thing!
"no va" means "doesn't go" (or something similar) in Spanish.
So the car didn't sell LOL.

164 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:33:13pm

I'll ask a harder question: would it have been appropriate to have prayed for Hitler's death, or Tojo's, once the enormity of their crimes was publicly exposed?

165 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:33:14pm

Well all, must go. I think this evening I'll pray that all my friends here at LGF (and everywhere) have a long, happy, healthy, and rewarding life.

Note to Wiley Drake: that's how it's done.

Have a wonderful evening everyone!

166 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:33:17pm

re: #152 eschew_obfuscation

Heh.... one must wonder what someone was thinking when he named a car company "Fiat" (let it be).

That's almost as good as naming Chevy's economy car "Nova" and trying to sell it in Mexico.

Funny, I just mentioned the story about the Nova to someone else. Do you know the one about Coke's attempt to market its products in China with the slogan "Coke adds life?" It translated as "Coke brings your ancestors back from the dead."

167 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:33:18pm

I wonder if the Reverend Jeremiah Wright prays for anyone to die?

/Just a thought.

168 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:33:19pm

re: #148 Thanos

How long do you think it will take for the Supremes to decide? Do they move it to the front of the line of does this put off the sale for years before the court will hear the case?

169 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:33:25pm

re: #159 kansas

I always thought it insensitive when survivors of natural disaster on TV who would state that it was God who saved them. They would be standing right by people who had lost loved ones. Kind of like, God saved me, but your Mom died. What was her problem?

Yes, exactly!

170 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:33:36pm

.......and about prayer..........prayer is not meant to change God's mind, it's meant to change our minds...........

171 avanti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:33:49pm

re: #148 Thanos

Yep, the pension funds have definite complaint

In the long run, they would need a better restructuring deal to get more more. If Fiat backs out and Chrysler liquidates they'll get much less.

172 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:33:50pm

re: #138 avanti

Glad she waited until near the market closes, only cost a few points at the end. If Chrysler has to liquidate, it'll drop big and the job numbers will tank.

/yeah, just like the day GM declared bankruptcy and the DOW was up over 200, most of the factories are already idle for the summer anyway

173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:34:03pm

re: #163 reine.de.tout

Something must be in the air!
I just got an e-mail from an online scrabble partner about that very thing!
"no va" means "doesn't go" (or something similar) in Spanish.
So the car didn't sell LOL.

Check Snopes. Urban Legend.

174 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:34:33pm

re: #154 Jimmah

I didn't know that God was part of a quaternity, that in addition to the Father, the Son, and the holy ghost there was also a hit-man.

Why do you think the Vatican is in Italy?

/

175 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:34:34pm

re: #164 quickjustice

I'll ask a harder question: would it have been appropriate to have prayed for Hitler's death, or Tojo's, once the enormity of their crimes was publicly exposed?

Is it our place to do so?

176 blangwort  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:34:37pm

re: #164 quickjustice

I'll ask a harder question: would it have been appropriate to have prayed for Hitler's death, or Tojo's, once the enormity of their crimes was publicly exposed?

No. That would be too easy for them anyhow. Pray instead for them to understand the enormity of their crime.

177 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:34:44pm

re: #142 jorline

Applied or unemployment and realize that I have enough income to pay for the essentials (rent, car payment, car insurance and a few more). The job search has shown that what is available, when going back to work, will pay less than unemployment. How's that for incentive?/

By the way, I'm glad I met you back in August of last year.

178 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:35:04pm

re: #170 IslandLibertarian

.......and about prayer..........prayer is not meant to change God's mind, it's meant to change our minds...........

and hearts. This "preacher" is nucking futs!

179 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:35:05pm

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Check Snopes. Urban Legend.

La la la I can't hear you!

/fingers in ears
//too good to check

180 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:35:10pm

After several months on the NY Public Library waiting list, I picked up a copy today of "The Mystery of the Kaddish". It's somewhat comforting to me to reflect on just how far removed from Wiley Drake's abject lunacy is a prayer like Kaddish or indeed any prayer that I've ever encountered.

Thinking about Drake's comments, I remembered that the ancient Romans used to write curses, defixiones, on lead sheets, sometimes in mirror writing, and then fold the sheets up and throw them into wells or pools or bury them under the ground or even in graves.

181 abbyadams  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:35:16pm

I pray that the GOP sheds these types of people, and soon. Or forces them into their own party. Whether you like or dislike the president is irrelevant, IMO. He is the president of our country and there is value to the office. To wish him dead is heinous.

182 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:35:24pm

re: #166 doppelganglander

Funny, I just mentioned the story about the Nova to someone else. Do you know the one about Coke's attempt to market its products in China with the slogan "Coke adds life?" It translated as "Coke brings your ancestors back from the dead."

As Ed McMahon and Hillary Clinton once said "I did NOT know that!"

183 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:35:25pm

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Check Snopes. Urban Legend.

Aw, heck. Really? such a good story . . .

184 Zimriel  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:35:39pm

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

I pray that Obama comes to his senses.

But I pray for the deaths of Ahmadinejad and the Mad Mullahs.
I don't think they can be rehabilitated.

Is there a rabbinic process in Judaism for leveling God's curse upon someone egregiously wicked?

(I'm not trying to be a jerk, and I apologise if I've offended. I'm genuinely curious...)

185 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:35:55pm

re: #115 brookly red

So where does Moses fit in here?

I'm not sure that he does.

186 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:35:56pm

re: #167 Ben Hur

I wonder if the Reverend Jeremiah Wright prays for anyone to die?

/Just a thought.

Just America.

187 jaunte  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:35:59pm

How did this man become a pastor? 'Unclear on the concept' hardly covers it.

188 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:36:01pm

re: #164 quickjustice

I'll ask a harder question: would it have been appropriate to have prayed for Hitler's death, or Tojo's, once the enormity of their crimes was publicly exposed?

No. The way I was raised, you don't pray for something bad. In the examples you gave, you could pray FOR a swift end to the war. But we were taught that man would judge man on earth, and God would judge man upon death

189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:36:11pm

re: #183 reine.de.tout

What goes around comes around. I said that here once...someone led me to the door....

190 Kenneth  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:36:27pm

re: #167 Ben Hur

I wonder if the Reverend Jeremiah Wright prays for anyone to die?

/Just a thought.

He only calls for God to damn America!

191 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:36:32pm

re: #184 Zimriel

Is there a rabbinic process in Judaism for leveling God's curse upon someone egregiously wicked?

(I'm not trying to be a jerk, and I apologise if I've offended. I'm genuinely curious...)


See my #8

192 badger1970  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:36:44pm

Step 1: Find a nutcase
Step 2: Interview the nutcase
Step 3: Spurn on the nutcase
Step 4: Report on said interview
Step 5: Smile with glee

Lefty journo 101

193 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:36:50pm

re: #25 Killian Bundy

OT: Breaking

Chrysler Asset Deal Stayed by U.S. Supreme Court, Lawyer Says

/not so fast TOTUS

I'm hoping that some Chrysler dealers can get a stay, too. One in this part of Texas (in Mineral Wells) is trying to stay alive. They've been in business since 1919, and are on the third generation owner with the same name (Russell Whatley, III). They're a small dealer, but they are profitable. i hate to see these mom and pop dealers lose everything.

194 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:36:52pm

re: #164 quickjustice

I'll ask a harder question: would it have been appropriate to have prayed for Hitler's death, or Tojo's, once the enormity of their crimes was publicly exposed?

Prayer for death of anyone, no matter how heinous and attrocious their crimes, is just wrong.

It just seems so antithetical to do such a thing. Prayer is for guidance and understanding, not death wishes.

195 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:37:13pm

Christians are instructed to pray for wisdom for the leaders of the government, and for those in positions of authority. The idea is that, for better or worse, they govern us all. I've heard Protestant ministers pray publicly for the President of the United States. Far fewer prayers for Bush, and many more for Obama!

196 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:37:14pm

Chrysler Fiat Sale Delayed by U.S. Justice Ginsburg (Update1)

Chrysler said in court papers that the sale is necessary to stanch losses of $100 million a day. Chrysler said the sale, which would transfer its Jeep, Chrysler and Dodge brands, would help save 38,500 jobs plus those of workers at its suppliers.

Fiat has set a June 15 deadline for completion of the deal.

Unless the court decides in the next week or so looks like Chrysler will implode.

197 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:37:27pm

re: #181 abbyadams

I pray that the GOP sheds these types of people, and soon. Or forces them into their own party. Whether you like or dislike the president is irrelevant, IMO. He is the president of our country and there is value to the office. To wish him dead is heinous.

I think you gotta accept that there are people on the fringes on both sides. It's just that the MSM highlights the ones on the right while ignoring the ones on the left.

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:38:08pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Chrysler Fiat Sale Delayed by U.S. Justice Ginsburg (Update1)

Unless the court decides in the next week or so looks like Chrysler will implode.

How will Barney save his local dealerships then?

199 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:38:23pm

re: #184 Zimriel

Is there a rabbinic process in Judaism for leveling God's curse upon someone egregiously wicked?

(I'm not trying to be a jerk, and I apologise if I've offended. I'm genuinely curious...)

I think there's a prior posting about a "pulsa dinura", but this is not something that is taught within the mainstream of Judaism.

200 jaunte  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:38:47pm

re: #192 badger1970

Step 1: Find a nutcase
Step 2: Interview the nutcase
Step 3: Spurn on the nutcase
Step 4: Report on said interview
Step 5: Smile with glee

Lefty journo 101

Wiley Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., and former running mate of American Independent Party presidential candidate Alan Keyes, said June 2 on Fox News Radio he didn't understand why people were upset with his comments quoted by Associated Baptist Press from a webcast of his daily radio talk show.

I don't think you can characterize this as a lefty 'entrapment.'

201 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:39:02pm

re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How will Barney save his local dealerships then?

Not to mention the McLarty (Clintonite) chain in Arkansas.

202 JustABill  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:39:05pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

How long do you think it will take for the Supremes to decide? Do they move it to the front of the line of does this put off the sale for years before the court will hear the case?

I suspect it will move to the top of the line. I wouldn't be surprised if they start tomorrow. I will admit to being surprised and pleased with Ginsburg's decision. When I heard she was the one who decides if the full court hears the case, I thought for sure she wouldn't oppose The One.

203 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:39:07pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

You (and Charles) are more puter savvy than I am. Would you please take a look at this (Rev Drakes web site). [Link: www.wileydrakeinbuenapark.com...]

On it theres a link for a 3 day Conference with members of the U.S. Congress. I can't get the link to open. I would be curious to see who those 'congressmen" are, and where/ when this conference is

Thanks

204 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:39:10pm

re: #8 Ben Hur

Cool... the Pulsa Denoura... but can I use it to assure a winning hockey team?

205 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:39:17pm

re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

All the dealerships will be gone, bondholders might get next to nothing and we might not get our bailout money back.

206 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:39:20pm

Should this bother the left so much since much of them don't believe in the power of prayer?

You know, sort of like the logic of the blood libel?

Why would a Jew desecrate a Eucharist wafer if he doesn't believe in Jesus to begin with?

/just free writing. Not an analogy.

207 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:39:33pm

re: #185 John Neverbend

I'm not sure that he does.

well story has it that he prayed for the death of Egypt's first born, that was my reference.

208 shortshrift  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:39:43pm

re: #10 zombie

As an atheist, I can assure you that I know that prayer is useless, either for good or for evil. You need not invoke the triumph of the anti-religion crowd to warn against cursing (praying for death). Cursing, blessing, chanting, whirling - all the same. Religious fundamentalists praying for death is very different from committing murder in the name of God. The first is irrational, the second criminal. But either way, God has nothing to do with it. Human beings are moral or immoral actors whatever the justification for their actions.
I also know that there is no winning the argument between believers and atheists.

209 avanti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:39:59pm

re: #172 Killian Bundy

/yeah, just like the day GM declared bankruptcy and the DOW was up over 200, most of the factories are already idle for the summer anyway

Yes, if Chrysler structured bankruptcy allowed to go through, the market should go up, but if it's forced to liquidate, that would be bad news. I think the stay may be temporary since the clock is ticking.

210 Maui Girl  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:40:03pm

re: #25 Killian Bundy

OT: Breaking

Chrysler Asset Deal Stayed by U.S. Supreme Court, Lawyer Says

I own a Jeep and it irks me that a French company may end up owning the rights to the company. This is good news. Otherwise I'm gonna have to sell and buy FORD...

211 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:40:26pm

re: #184 Zimriel

Is there a rabbinic process in Judaism for leveling God's curse upon someone egregiously wicked?

(I'm not trying to be a jerk, and I apologise if I've offended. I'm genuinely curious...)

Pulsa Di Nura

212 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:40:32pm

re: #204 experiencedtraveller

Cool... the Pulsa Denoura... but can I use it to assure a winning hockey team?

Ask Rabin and Sharon.

213 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:40:50pm

re: #193 Ward Cleaver

This is very good news for the holdout secured bondholders. My take is that without a superpriority lien granted by the bankruptcy court, they're entitled to their collateral. That's what Obama has neglected to give them.

214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:41:01pm

re: #205 Killgore Trout

Honestly? I didn't expect to get it back when I decided to lend it to them.

215 Zimriel  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:41:04pm

re: #154 Jimmah

I didn't know that God was part of a quaternity, that in addition to the Father, the Son, and the holy ghost there was also a hit-man.

Several Psalms assume that God can be implored to put the smite down upon one's enemies.

But the Psalms are not in the Torah; and in Christianity, they're considered part of the old dispensation which Jesus abrogated.

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:41:04pm

re: #166 doppelganglander

Funny, I just mentioned the story about the Nova to someone else. Do you know the one about Coke's attempt to market its products in China with the slogan "Coke adds life?" It translated as "Coke brings your ancestors back from the dead."

I think that was Pepsi--what happened when you tried to translate "Come Alive With The Pepsi Generation" into Mandarin. Which is hard, because it doesn't really mean anything in English to begin with.

217 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:41:11pm

re: #159 kansas

I always thought it insensitive when survivors of natural disaster on TV who would state that it was God who saved them. They would be standing right by people who had lost loved ones. Kind of like, God saved me, but your Mom died. What was her problem?

I agree.

I hate the phrase, "God was calling them home". I especially hate it when children are involved...car accidents, disease and murder. What god wants them home that way?

218 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:41:17pm

re: #200 jaunte

Wiley Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., and former running mate of American Independent Party presidential candidate Alan Keyes, said June 2 on Fox News Radio he didn't understand why people were upset with his comments quoted by Associated Baptist Press from a webcast of his daily radio talk show.

I don't think you can characterize this as a lefty 'entrapment.'

I missed the "Baptist" bit.

219 blangwort  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:41:17pm

re: #184 Zimriel

Is there a rabbinic process in Judaism for leveling God's curse upon someone egregiously wicked?

(I'm not trying to be a jerk, and I apologise if I've offended. I'm genuinely curious...)

None that I know of.

As an aside, Jewish Law sets an extraordinarily high standard for capital punishment. The act must be witnessed by at least two people, and a third uninvolved person must warn the offender that he is committing murder, a capital sin, and s/he must answer "I know, and I'm going to do it anyway."

Against a background like that, I seriously doubt that there are prayers in Judaism to wish for the early demise of anyone --even a mortal enemy.

220 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:41:39pm

re: #151 opnion

This guy is wrong on so many levels. One is calling Obama a "Usurper".
He did not sieze power , He won a legitimate election. I don't like it but the guy did not usurp anything.

But the next election, with ACORN and others like them in control, may not have that feeling of electoral confirmation that we're used to.

221 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:41:42pm

If average Christians don't get the loons under control it will harm all of their causes and their image. That's how the left works. What are other Christians doing besides disavowing this guy?

222 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:41:44pm

re: #195 quickjustice

Christians are instructed to pray for wisdom for the leaders of the government, and for those in positions of authority. The idea is that, for better or worse, they govern us all. I've heard Protestant ministers pray publicly for the President of the United States. Far fewer prayers for Bush, and many more for Obama!

May the lord bless and keep the czar ... far away from us.
Rabbi, Fiddler on the Roof.

;-)

223 avanti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:41:49pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Chrysler Fiat Sale Delayed by U.S. Justice Ginsburg (Update1)

Unless the court decides in the next week or so looks like Chrysler will implode.

Then all the dealers will suffer, not just those picked to close. The court has until the 15th, or Fiat can take it's money and run.

224 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:42:02pm

re: #203 sattv4u2

Hmmm...it goes to a site that seems to have been removed. I can't find a google cache of the site either. Interesting.

225 badger1970  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:42:34pm

re: #200 jaunte

I'm not a Baptist so I wouldn't know /

226 S'latch  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:42:35pm

"[S]eek the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray to the L-rd in its behalf; for in its prosperity you shall prosper." (Jeremiah 29:4-7).

227 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:42:59pm

Are we sure that "praying for him to die" isn't another way of saying "inner struggle" in Latin?

228 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:43:23pm

re: #221 Thanos

If average Christians don't get the loons under control it will harm all of their causes and their image. That's how the left works. What are other Christians doing besides disavowing this guy?

What else can we do?

229 mikalm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:43:46pm

re: #90 doppelganglander

Hm, excuse me while I step out for some...fresh air.

Fresh air?

Youtube Video
230 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:43:49pm

re: #221 Thanos

If average Christians don't get the loons under control it will harm all of their causes and their image. That's how the left works. What are other Christians doing besides disavowing this guy?

Christians are monolithic like the Catholic Church.

We can speak out against this kind of stuff, but there is no structural or organizational way to deal with it.

231 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:43:56pm

re: #221 Thanos

If average Christians don't get the loons under control it will harm all of their causes and their image. That's how the left works. What are other Christians doing besides disavowing this guy?

Um...what exactly are they supposed to do?

A Congregationalist church could remove him from his pulpit, if the membership voted to do so. It's called "revoking the call." But I don't know if Baptists can do that, under their rules.

232 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:43:59pm

re: #217 jorline

I agree.

I hate the phrase, "God was calling them home". I especially hate it when children are involved...car accidents, disease and murder. What god wants them home that way?

Years ago I had a stillborn baby. I told my husband that I was going to break the neck of the next person who came into my hospital room and told me that I had a little angel in heaven now or that it was God's will. He knew I meant it and barred the door.

233 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:44:01pm

OT

Supreme Court Halts Chrysler Sale to Fiat

234 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:44:10pm

re: #209 avanti

Yes, if Chrysler structured bankruptcy allowed to go through, the market should go up, but if it's forced to liquidate, that would be bad news. I think the stay may be temporary since the clock is ticking.

Who said anything about liquidation, besides the government fear mongers trying to cram this deal through before anyone can actually look at all the legal precedents being trampled in the process?

/Fiat is getting Chrysler for FREE, why would they walk away from that, no matter how long it takes?

235 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:44:10pm

re: #208 shortshrift

As an atheist, I can assure you that I know that prayer is useless, either for good or for evil. You need not invoke the triumph of the anti-religion crowd to warn against cursing (praying for death). Cursing, blessing, chanting, whirling - all the same. Religious fundamentalists praying for death is very different from committing murder in the name of God. The first is irrational, the second criminal. But either way, God has nothing to do with it. Human beings are moral or immoral actors whatever the justification for their actions.
I also know that there is no winning the argument between believers and atheists.

No, there's not. So why did you feel the need to stir the pot and insult believers?

236 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:44:29pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

Hmmm...it goes to a site that seems to have been removed. I can't find a google cache of the site either. Interesting.

Thanks for the try. I was just intrigued as to which "congressman" associate with drake

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:44:34pm

re: #228 MandyManners

What else can we do?

Throw tomatoes at him!

238 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:44:38pm

re: #8 Ben Hur

Unfortunately, my people have the Pulsa diNura.

Fascinating. The entire formula appears in a PDF file (there's a link at the Wikipedia page from where I think you found your description). I have to take it home and read it tonight. Perhaps my curtains will catch fire or my TV will explode at the bottom of the 9th inning of tonight's game at Yankee Stadium!

239 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:44:42pm

re: #231 Dianna

Um...what exactly are they supposed to do?

A Congregationalist church could remove him from his pulpit, if the membership voted to do so. It's called "revoking the call." But I don't know if Baptists can do that, under their rules.

Can the elders boot him out?

240 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:44:44pm

re: #164 quickjustice

I'll ask a harder question: would it have been appropriate to have prayed for Hitler's death, or Tojo's, once the enormity of their crimes was publicly exposed?

Nah, but it might have been appropriate to hunt them down and kill them - all the while praying they had a moral epiphany?

Key word: "crimes"
Obama, Tiller, whomever has been or has been threatened to be assaulted, have committed none, at least not of the Capital variety that I know of.l

241 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:44:47pm

re: #231 Dianna

Baptists also are congregational in their governance, meaning the congregation calls the shots.

242 Maui Girl  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:44:50pm

re: #146 IslandLibertarian


I agree with you. You can pray what you want but it will be answered accordingly to God's will, which just means your prayer doesn't get answered in the way you expect it to.

243 jaunte  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:44:59pm

So far, prayers for someone's death have eventually proven 100% effective.

244 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:45:21pm

re: #232 redstateredneck

I understand.

245 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:45:23pm

re: #237 SanFranciscoZionist

Throw tomatoes at him!

Misdemeanor.

246 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:45:31pm

re: #221 Thanos

If average Christians don't get the loons under control it will harm all of their causes and their image. That's how the left works. What are other Christians doing besides disavowing this guy?

And do what? Take up swords and storm his church Knights Templar Style?

247 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:45:32pm

re: #243 jaunte

So far, prayers for someone's death have eventually proven 100% effective.

Nobody gets out alive

248 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:45:38pm

re: #232 redstateredneck

Years ago I had a stillborn baby. I told my husband that I was going to break the neck of the next person who came into my hospital room and told me that I had a little angel in heaven now or that it was God's will. He knew I meant it and barred the door.

{redstateredneck}

249 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:45:53pm

re: #232 redstateredneck

{red}

250 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:45:57pm

re: #164 quickjustice

I'll ask a harder question: would it have been appropriate to have prayed for Hitler's death, or Tojo's, once the enormity of their crimes was publicly exposed?

Theologically misguided. If free will means anything, it includes the freedom to make bad decisions and have the chickens come home to roost in consequence. Otherwise, the bad decisions aren't really made.

So when we failed to stop Hitler when it would have been easy, our own decisions, aggregated, had their consequences. It's deluded to think that God is going to make-it-didn't-happen. Our own moving fingers write. That's what free will entails. And so in 1943, one may reasonably pray for courage in battle, for a steady hand and wise judgment. Prayers for a bolt of lightning from the clear sky, killing Hitler in his bed, miss the point.

We are responsible for our decisions and their consequences, and the stakes are unlimited. There is no end to how bad we'll be allowed to screw up. There is no limit to how high we'll be allowed to soar, provided only that we not get too conceited.

And if we do screw up badly, it'll take some human heroes and martyrs to set things right. And if we screw up totally and drive the earth into the sun or some such apocalyptic and irrecoverable misstep, why, that will be the end of us.

251 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:46:07pm

re: #200 jaunte

Wiley Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., and former running mate of American Independent Party presidential candidate Alan Keyes, said June 2 on Fox News Radio he didn't understand why people were upset with his comments quoted by Associated Baptist Press from a webcast of his daily radio talk show.

I don't think you can characterize this as a lefty 'entrapment.'

Yeah, but till I read this here I never heard of this nut job. So in this case nut job was more than willing to go public, but Colmes was more than willing to imply he is an example of those on the right. Hopefully, Reverend Nutjob does not represent more than a small percentage.

252 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:46:07pm

re: #241 quickjustice

Baptists also are congregational in their governance, meaning the congregation calls the shots.

I wasn't sure. Thank you.

So it's up to the congregation, and we shall see what they do.

253 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:46:28pm

re: #243 jaunte

Not exactly, but it's accurate to say that we're all under death sentences of one sort or another.

254 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:46:29pm

re: #243 jaunte

re: #247 HoosierHoops

Nobody gets out alive

I plan on living forever

so far ,, so good!

255 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:46:29pm

Funny how every expression of religious hatred eventually comes around to this sentiment:

“I’m not saying anything. What I am doing is repeating what God is saying..."

OK, so Drake's hate-filled and unwilling to take responsibility for it himself. Doubly charming.

256 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:46:30pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

Hmmm...it goes to a site that seems to have been removed. I can't find a google cache of the site either. Interesting.

[Link: www.presidentialprayerteam.org...]

I think the congressional prayer link is just a mistyped URL or something

257 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:46:41pm

re: #232 redstateredneck

((((((rsrn))))))

258 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:47:11pm

re: #242 Maui Girl

I agree with you. You can pray what you want but it will be answered accordingly to God's will, which just means your prayer doesn't get answered in the way you expect it to.

Sometimes G-ds answer to prayer is 'no'.

259 gregb  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:47:12pm

I think a lot of people who never really had any real responsibility nor ran anything with real accountability in their life tend to omni-personify a President--particularly blaming them for things they themselves are powerless to change. Bush derangement was like that.

As Dylan says, (paraphrase) even the Nazis had God on their side.

260 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:47:15pm

re: #152 eschew_obfuscation

Heh.... one must wonder what someone was thinking when he named a car company "Fiat" (let it be).

That's almost as good as naming Chevy's economy car "Nova" and trying to sell it in Mexico.

It's an acronym for Fix It Again, Tony

261 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:47:29pm

re: #246 sattv4u2

And do what? Take up swords and storm his church Knights Templar Style?

Then you would be as crazy as he is. I'm sure you can think of something less dramatic. That's the problem now wouldn't you say?

262 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:47:31pm

re: #256 Thanos

I saw that but I'm not sure it's the same group.

263 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:47:32pm

re: #254 sattv4u2

re: #247 HoosierHoops

I plan on living forever

so far ,, so good!

Ahhh. the best laid plans...

264 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:47:45pm

I'm praying, too - for a Costco-sized pallet of muzzles for some of my fellow "Christians".

265 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:47:54pm

re: #231 Dianna

Um...what exactly are they supposed to do?

A Congregationalist church could remove him from his pulpit, if the membership voted to do so. It's called "revoking the call." But I don't know if Baptists can do that, under their rules.

Most Christian denominations Pastors serve at the pleasure of the congregation. They ask a pastor to leave. If there is any type of national organization, they can also remove a pastor.

266 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:48:05pm

re: #239 MandyManners

Can the elders boot him out?

I'm not a Baptist, so I have no clue. The Presbyterians could; the Lutherans could, I think; the Methodists almost certainly. But the Baptists' rules aren't clear to me - I haven't looked at them in a long time.

I just got told they're also congregationally ruled, so the congregation could revoke his call.

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:48:07pm

re: #239 MandyManners

Church can fire a pastor. More times than not, however, the congregation is reflection of the guy in the pulpit.

268 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:48:33pm

re: #176 blangwort

No. That would be too easy for them anyhow. Pray instead for them to understand the enormity of their crime.

I have found that people who engage in wrongdoing to others eventually pay a very heavy price mentally, physically, emotionally, and spiritually.

269 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:48:44pm

re: #232 redstateredneck

Years ago I had a stillborn baby. I told my husband that I was going to break the neck of the next person who came into my hospital room and told me that I had a little angel in heaven now or that it was God's will. He knew I meant it and barred the door.

{redstate}

I really hate that nonsense about the deceased becoming an angel. I believe we'll meet our loved ones in the next life, but why would anyone think they'd become angels?

270 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:48:59pm

re: #258 Truck Monkey

Sometimes G-ds answer to prayer is 'no'.

And sometimes He waits until you ask the right question.

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:49:03pm

re: #253 quickjustice

Not exactly, but it's accurate to say that we're all under death sentences of one sort or another.

"So here I am...condemned to die for a crime I didn't commit. But isn't that the case with everyone? Aren't all men condemned to die for a crime they didn't commit? The difference is that all men go eventually, but I go at nine o'clock tomorrow morning."

Woody Allen, "Love and Death", slightly paraphrased cause I haven't seen it in years. Also the source of one of my favorite quotes of all time: "Boris, if everyone in Moscow went to the same restaurant on the same night and ordered blintzes there'd be chaos, but they don't."

272 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:49:41pm

Doesn't the pastor know that G-d doesn't speak English?

273 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:50:08pm

re: #177 midwestgak

Applied or unemployment and realize that I have enough income to pay for the essentials (rent, car payment, car insurance and a few more). The job search has shown that what is available, when going back to work, will pay less than unemployment. How's that for incentive?/

By the way, I'm glad I met you back in August of last year.

I pray for daily gak...hang in there.

I'm glad to have met you too...friendships bring on new meaning when times are tough.

274 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:50:16pm

I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.

Susan B. Anthony

275 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:50:22pm

re: #269 doppelganglander

{redstate}

I really hate that nonsense about the deceased becoming an angel. I believe we'll meet our loved ones in the next life, but why would anyone think they'd become angels?

If you die while studying geometry do you become a little angle?
/

276 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:50:26pm

re: #269 doppelganglander

{redstate}

I really hate that nonsense about the deceased becoming an angel. I believe we'll meet our loved ones in the next life, but why would anyone think they'd become angels?

No kidding. Angels are created beings. People don't become angels.

And thanks to {all y'all} for the hugs! It was a long time ago and I had two children after that one. Just seemed like I was pregnant for two years because I only waited a few months between the lost baby and the next one!

277 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:50:54pm

re: #260 Kosh's Shadow

It's an acronym for Fix It Again, Tony

"Fiat" means "let it be done."

278 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:51:14pm

re: #256 Thanos

[Link: www.presidentialprayerteam.org...]

I think the congressional prayer link is just a mistyped URL or something

That looks like a pretty legitimate site. Professionally done and crackpot-free.

279 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:51:15pm

God just told me Wiley Drake is an asshole, and should be widely denounced and then ignored.

280 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:51:30pm

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Church can fire a pastor. More times than not, however, the congregation is reflection of the guy in the pulpit.

When I was a kid, the congregation split, partly over whether to join the UCC, but mostly over the pastor.

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:51:37pm

re: #272 Ben Hur

Doesn't the pastor know that G-d doesn't speak English?

Old Jewish legend is that for ordinary things you should pray in Hebrew, so you'll be understood by the ministering angels, but for healing you can pray in any language, because God understands them all.

This has nothing to do with the Very Lunatic Mr. Drake, it's just a pretty story.

282 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:51:52pm

re: #261 Thanos

Then you would be as crazy as he is. I'm sure you can think of something less dramatic. That's the problem now wouldn't you say?

Sorry, but you're the one complaining that Christians are doing nothing other than disavowing the man. What would you suggest be done, as my reply was obvioulsy tongue in cheek.

283 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:52:08pm

re: #277 John Neverbend

"Fiat" means "let it be done."


so no fiat for Fiat then....

284 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:52:11pm

re: #272 Ben Hur

Doesn't the pastor know that G-d doesn't speak English?

Does he have a teleprompter?

285 kansas  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:52:58pm

re: #279 Racer X

God just told me Wiley Drake is an asshole, and should be widely denounced and then ignored.

God just told me the MSM will follow this guy 24/7 looking for his next asinine quote.

286 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:52:59pm

re: #275 LGoPs

If you die while studying geometry do you become a little angle?
/

Maybe. I know studying geometry just about killed me.

287 JustABill  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:53:04pm

re: #275 LGoPs

If you die while studying geometry do you become a little angle?
/

While you were trying to make your comment a cute one, I found the reference obtuse, and thats just not right...

288 slokat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:53:05pm

I think I'll just watch you all discuss this topic... Lurking Lizard

289 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:53:20pm

re: #278 doppelganglander

That looks like a pretty legitimate site. Professionally done and crackpot-free.

They are non political and prayed for Bush too.

290 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:53:28pm
A Southern Baptist Convention spokesman said Drake is is out of the denomination’s mainstream. Roger “Sing” Oldham, vice president for convention relations with the SBC Executive Committee, said he believes most Southern Baptists are committed to praying for the well-being of the president as instructed in Scripture—not for his demise. Drake is not a spokesman for the Southern Baptist Convention and his comments do not reflect the actions, resolutions or positions of the denomination, Oldham said.

“I think it is a fair statement to say that the vast majority of Southern Baptists are committed to praying for the well-being of the president in accordance with the specific instruction given in 1 Timothy 2:1-3,” Oldham said, quoting: “First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for everyone, for kings and all those who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. This is good, and it pleases God our Savior.’”


In other words, pay no attention to this nutcase!

291 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:53:29pm

re: #285 kansas

God just told me the MSM will follow this guy 24/7 looking for his next asinine quote.

God just told me the MSM won't have to wait that long!

292 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:53:39pm

re: #220 Soona'

But the next election, with ACORN and others like them in control, may not have that feeling of electoral confirmation that we're used to.

Yeah, if Acorn & others do their worst, they could tip a close election.
To me it seems like they most active in delegate rich states.
There is no way arpound that Obama has ties to them.

293 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:53:42pm

re: #258 Truck Monkey

Sometimes G-ds answer to prayer is 'no'.

Looking over that article, I think sometimes, it's "Are you out of your mind?"

(But said better than that.)

294 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:53:42pm

re: #287 JustABill

While you were trying to make your comment a cute one, I found the reference obtuse, and thats just not right...

An acute observation.....

295 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:53:42pm

re: #215 Zimriel

Several Psalms assume that God can be implored to put the smite down upon one's enemies.

But the Psalms are not in the Torah; and in Christianity, they're considered part of the old dispensation which Jesus abrogated.

I can see the possibility of a hybrid Baptist/Muslim fundamentalist convergence ahead. Ahead? What am I talking about? Clearly some people are already there.

296 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:53:43pm

re: #271 SanFranciscoZionist

In one respect, that addresses Al Gore's hysterical sermons about global warming, which "is going to kill us all!" In a few billion years, the sun will explode, vaporizing the earth and surrounding planets. So in the long run, we're all dead anyway.

297 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:53:54pm

re: #287 JustABill

While you were trying to make your comment a cute one, I found the reference obtuse, and thats just not right...

Going off on a tangent are we?

298 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:53:55pm

re: #284 jorline

Does he have a teleprompter?

You're right!

He does speak English!

And only English, yet in his infinite wisdom, commands that we speak all languages!

299 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:54:33pm

re: #288 slokat

I think I'll just watch you all discuss this topic... Lurking Lizard

LOL!

300 littleben  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:54:36pm

Judaism is not big on black magic- the Pulsa De nura referred to above was performed by a few militants, non of whom were AFAIK, recognized Kabbalist.
However, in our daily prayers, we do pray that the "Malshinim", enemies of G-d and similar evil-doers be eradicated and uprooted. To the best of my knowledge Malshinim are traitors to the Jewish people, such as the ones who sow deliberate falsehoods such as the medieval blood libel
or modern day blood libel comparing Zionists to Nazis.
Orthodox Jews believe that the "hearts and minds of Princes and Kings are in the hands of G-d" so it would be appropriate to pray that our President be shielded from the lessons he learned from his former Pastor.

301 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:54:44pm

re: #277 John Neverbend

"Fiat" means "let it be done."

I forgot the sarc tag, but thought it would be obvious.
Reminds me of the time in college someone brought part of his Fiat's transmission to the quantum mechanics class, and we joked that it was the wrong type of mechanics.

302 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:54:48pm

re: #274 MandyManners

I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.

Susan B. Anthony

Great quote Mandy...ding

I'm confused daily...does that mean I'm worth less than a Susan B. Anthony?
//

303 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:54:50pm

re: #8 Ben Hur

Unfortunately, my people have the Pulsa diNura.

Used on Rabin.

I read the PDF attachment, and I haven't yet suffered the fate of Krook in Bleak House. The correct and accurate description of the "pulsa" is explained by a knowledgeable Rabbi, and here is the link.

The Pulsa D'Nora

304 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:55:02pm

re: #287 JustABill

While you were trying to make your comment a cute one, I found the reference obtuse, and thats just not right...

You're such a square!

305 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:55:27pm

re: #269 doppelganglander

{redstate}

I really hate that nonsense about the deceased becoming an angel. I believe we'll meet our loved ones in the next life, but why would anyone think they'd become angels?

(flapping wings) Why not?

306 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:55:32pm

re: #282 sattv4u2

Sorry, but you're the one complaining that Christians are doing nothing other than disavowing the man. What would you suggest be done, as my reply was obvioulsy tongue in cheek.

Well it could start with a letter writing campaign to this guy's hometown paper.

307 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:55:49pm

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Church can fire a pastor. More times than not, however, the congregation is reflection of the guy in the pulpit.

Like Trinity Church of Christ in Chicago?

308 JustABill  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:56:11pm

re: #297 DEZes

Going off on a tangent are we?

Just covering all the angles...

309 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:56:12pm

re: #298 Ben Hur

You're right!

He does speak English!

And only English, yet in his infinite wisdom, commands that we speak all languages!

lmao

310 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:56:22pm

re: #300 littleben

Judaism is not big on black magic- the Pulsa De nura referred to above was performed by a few militants, non of whom were AFAIK, recognized Kabbalist.
However, in our daily prayers, we do pray that the "Malshinim", enemies of G-d and similar evil-doers be eradicated and uprooted. To the best of my knowledge Malshinim are traitors to the Jewish people, such as the ones who sow deliberate falsehoods such as the medieval blood libel
or modern day blood libel comparing Zionists to Nazis.
Orthodox Jews believe that the "hearts and minds of Princes and Kings are in the hands of G-d" so it would be appropriate to pray that our President be shielded from the lessons he learned from his former Pastor.

Interesting. In modern Hebrew "Malshin" is to tell on, to tattle or to Narc on.

311 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:56:27pm

re: #294 LGoPs

An acute observation.....

When you're right, you're right; that's my angle.

312 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:56:29pm

re: #297 DEZes

Going off on a tangent are we?

the sines point that way.......

313 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:57:02pm

re: #308 JustABill

Just covering all the angles...

I just did a 180.

314 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:57:23pm

re: #306 Thanos

Well it could start with a letter writing campaign to this guy's hometown paper.

His hometown paper is eithre
A) sympathetic to him
or
B) already knows he's off the reservation
in which case if it is A) they won't print the letters and if it's B) probably have BTDT

315 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:57:38pm

re: #273 jorline

I pray for daily gak...hang in there.

I'm glad to have met you too...friendships bring on new meaning when times are tough.

Yes they do. And I'll hang in there.

316 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:57:40pm

I got fitty bucks for whoever can work this in:
isosceles

317 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:57:48pm

re: #312 LGoPs

the sines point that way.......

Your as constant as the northern star.

318 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:57:55pm

re: #301 Kosh's Shadow

I forgot the sarc tag, but thought it would be obvious.
Reminds me of the time in college someone brought part of his Fiat's transmission to the quantum mechanics class, and we joked that it was the wrong type of mechanics.

Damn, I'm very bad with sarcasm in e-mails.

319 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:58:07pm

re: #269 doppelganglander

{redstate}

I really hate that nonsense about the deceased becoming an angel. I believe we'll meet our loved ones in the next life, but why would anyone think they'd become angels?

Angels are created beings but not human spirits according to the Bible. Angels minister to God and people.

320 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:58:49pm

Do isosceles make me look fat?

321 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:58:58pm

re: #319 jcm

Angels are created beings but not human spirits according to the Bible. Angels minister to God and people.

People who think otherwise have obviously not read their Bibles!

322 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:58:59pm

re: #310 Ben Hur

Interesting. In modern Hebrew "Malshin" is to tell on, to tattle or to Narc on.

If I remember correctly, the modern prayer book translates "malshinim" as slanderers.

323 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:59:02pm

re: #316 redstateredneck

I got fitty bucks for whoever can work this in:
isosceles

Isosceles and I saw his sister Solace at the mall

324 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:59:26pm

re: #316 redstateredneck

I got fitty bucks for whoever can work this in:
isosceles

I so sceles-y, I'm a naughty boy!

325 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:59:26pm

re: #320 Ben Hur

Do isosceles make me look fat?

no prize for you.

326 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:59:33pm

re: #313 DEZes

I just did a 180.

We are heading off on a Tangent

327 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:59:41pm

re: #314 sattv4u2

His hometown paper is eithre
A) sympathetic to him
or
B) already knows he's off the reservation
in which case if it is A) they won't print the letters and if it's B) probably have BTDT

Hey, I'm the atheist here. If you want this guy to represent Christianity and just wisecrack about it, more power to you. It's not my lookout.

328 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:59:50pm

re: #316 redstateredneck

I got fitty bucks for whoever can work this in:
isosceles

The best I can do is:

I thought Isoceles Dion in concert in Vegas, but it was only in a parallel universe.

I wanna see congruent used.

329 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 1:59:53pm

I gotta start watching what I post. Seems like every day I find another Lizard whom I thought was male to be a female.

330 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:00:06pm

re: #322 John Neverbend

If I remember correctly, the modern prayer book translates "malshinim" as slanderers.

That makes sense because the root is L SH N.

Lashon is tongue, language.

331 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:00:39pm

re: #316 redstateredneck

I got fitty bucks for whoever can work this in:
isosceles

Isosceles, she was turning tricks down at the corner.

332 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:00:39pm

re: #315 midwestgak

Yes they do. And I'll hang in there.

Tell PBO you want one of his 600,00 new government jobs with all of the benefits. ;)

333 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:00:51pm

re: #323 sattv4u2

Isosceles and I saw his sister Solace at the mall

re: #324 MrSilverDragon

I so sceles-y, I'm a naughty boy!

re: #328 emmmieG

The best I can do is:

I thought Isoceles Dion in concert in Vegas, but it was only in a parallel universe.

I wanna see congruent used.

Y'all got to do better than that.

334 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:00:59pm

re: #306 Thanos

Well it could start with a letter writing campaign to this guy's hometown paper.

Buena Park Independent
9559 Valley View Street
Buena Park, CA 90630

335 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:01:07pm

Isosceles and had to have them.

336 enoughalready  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:01:10pm

This is not entrapment. This is an idiot who got the chance to show off just how dumb he was and did a fantastic job.

337 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:01:21pm

re: #321 redstateredneck

People who think otherwise have obviously not read their Bibles!

There almost seems to be a folk version of Christianity among some people who combine actual doctrine with wishful thinking and Hallmark cards.

338 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:01:28pm

re: #333 redstateredneck

Y'all got to do better than that.

You didn't say that at first! Gimmie my $50!

/hehe!

339 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:01:29pm

re: #326 HoosierHoops

We are heading off on a Tangent

Film at 10!

340 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:02:22pm

Isoscoles navidad.

341 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:02:31pm

Gotta run - got a website to set up, been procrastinating all day. Later...

342 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:02:33pm

I actually strained some neurons once trying to figure out how to use "Cnidarian" in a sea animal pun thread.

(Pronounced: Nigh-dare-ee-an)

343 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:02:37pm

re: #337 doppelganglander

There almost seems to be a folk version of Christianity among some people who combine actual doctrine with wishful thinking and Hallmark cards.


Precious Moments!

That reminds me of the Hallmark angels as opposed to the description of angels in the Bible. There's a reason they all say, "Do not be afraid."

344 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:02:45pm

re: #339 jorline

Film at 10!

I'll Cosign off on that...

345 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:02:52pm

re: #327 Thanos

Hey, I'm the atheist here. If you want this guy to represent Christianity and just wisecrack about it, more power to you. It's not my lookout.

I WANT him to!?!?!?!

I'm sure I can come up with athiests that you would not want to represent Atheism. Aside from "disavowing" that person and writing a letter to his hometown paper, what would YOU do

346 Zimriel  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:02:59pm

.re: #330 Ben Hur

That makes sense because the root is L SH N.

Lashon is tongue, language.

Arabic lisân

347 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:03:11pm

re: #331 ArchangelMichael

Isosceles, she was turning tricks down at the corner.

Isosceles.......she was in a love triangle.

348 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:03:18pm

re: #207 brookly red

well story has it that he prayed for the death of Egypt's first born, that was my reference.

I'm not familiar with that story. Can you tell me where I might find it?

349 JustABill  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:03:23pm

re: #297 DEZes

Going off on a tangent are we?

This gent don't tan, I am still peeling off burnt skin from my couple hours in a pool last weekend...

350 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:03:42pm

I've never cursed anyone though I did once try to hexadecimal

351 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:03:53pm

re: #316 redstateredneck

I got fitty bucks for whoever can work this in:
isosceles

Or how about this:

Isosceles back when she was working 3 of the 5 Points.

352 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:03:56pm

re: #328 emmmieG

The best I can do is:

I thought Isoceles Dion in concert in Vegas, but it was only in a parallel universe.

I wanna see congruent used.

That would be incongruent in this thread.......

353 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:04:08pm

Y'all will go to great lengths for money, won't you?

354 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:04:09pm

re: #344 HoosierHoops

I'll Cosign off on that...

lol...later Hoopster

355 Athens Runaway  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:04:22pm

re: #328 emmmieG

The best I can do is:

I thought Isoceles Dion in concert in Vegas, but it was only in a parallel universe.

I wanna see congruent used.

The congruents in his ent farm.

356 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:04:27pm

re: #347 LGoPs

Isosceles.......she was in a love triangle.

That was kinda oblige.

357 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:04:35pm

re: #352 LGoPs

That would be incongruent in this thread.......

Nice turn around! *applaud*

358 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:04:49pm

re: #350 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've never cursed anyone though I did once try to hexadecimal

THE WINNER!

359 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:04:49pm

re: #350 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've never cursed anyone though I did once try to hexadecimal

0x029A

360 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:05:23pm

re: #355 Athens Runaway

The congruents in his ent farm.

That was good. I had to say it before I got it.

361 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:05:24pm

re: #345 sattv4u2

I WANT him to!?!?!?!

I'm sure I can come up with athiests that you would not want to represent Atheism. Aside from "disavowing" that person and writing a letter to his hometown paper, what would YOU do

I'm not the Christian, this guy's your problem, not mine. Why don't you think about it?

362 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:05:36pm

re: #353 redstateredneck

Y'all will go to great lengths for money, won't you?

Will pun for updings........

363 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:05:54pm

re: #329 Racer X

I gotta start watching what I post. Seems like every day I find another Lizard whom I thought was male to be a female.

So which one are you?

364 avanti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:06:02pm

re: #292 opnion

Yeah, if Acorn & others do their worst, they could tip a close election.
To me it seems like they most active in delegate rich states.
There is no way arpound that Obama has ties to them.

So far, I have not seen proof of any voter fraud by Acorn, registration fraud yes. Actually false votes, not so much. If the election came down to under 100 votes, maybe, but even then, all 100 would not be in one swing state. Here's a five year study on actual fraud.

fraud.

365 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:06:28pm

re: #208 shortshrift

As an atheist, I can assure you that I know that prayer is useless, either for good or for evil.

I've never been closer to being an atheist than I am now.
But I still pray and meditate. It helps me check my motives, clears the chatter, gets me honest with my self.
Not useless at all, for me......don't know about you.

366 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:06:37pm

re: #353 redstateredneck

Y'all will go to great lengths for money, won't you?

Well, I told ya... I so scles-y!

367 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:07:34pm

re: #352 LGoPs

That would be incongruent in this thread.......

I'm still trying to figure out everyone's angle.

368 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:07:42pm

Drake also caught flak for using church letterhead to campaign for Huckabee. His reason for supporting Mike? "He fears God more than the Constitution."

He also said,

"I have never have been worried about the IRS," he said. "They don't scare me. I don't give a rip about the IRS. I don't believe in the separation of church and state and I believe the IRS should stay out of church business."

Hmmm. That last sentence...contradictory, much?

369 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:07:52pm

Has anyone else mentioned that we are scalene great heights of punnery today?

370 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:08:24pm

re: #337 doppelganglander

There almost seems to be a folk version of Christianity among some people who combine actual doctrine with wishful thinking and Hallmark cards.

That is nothing new.

371 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:08:29pm

I hope no one seriously thinks we the people will get our investment back in these car companies.

That was the sales pitch.

Not only is the money going out now lost, but so is all the money to follow. How long will the "too big to fail" act play in Peoria?

372 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:08:29pm

re: #369 emmmieG

Has anyone else mentioned that we are scalene great heights of punnery today?

Funny, because I haven't been able to cross the median yet.

373 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:08:48pm

Who you going to name? Dawkins ? PZ Meyers? I've written articles calling them rabid atheists, pointing out what actions I thought were wrong, and linked back to their blogs.

374 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:09:01pm

re: #369 emmmieG

Has anyone else mentioned that we are scalene great heights of punnery today?

it's got me nonplussed......

375 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:09:18pm

re: #368 ShanghaiEd

Drake also caught flak for using church letterhead to campaign for Huckabee. His reason for supporting Mike? "He fears God more than the Constitution."

He also said,

Hmmm. That last sentence...contradictory, much?

I figured the Huckabee connection was there.

376 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:09:59pm

re: #372 MrSilverDragon

Funny, because I haven't been able to cross the median yet.

That wasn't funny. That was mean.

377 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:10:00pm

The return of Momma Moonbat....
Activist Cindy Sheehan in Dallas to renew anti-Bush protests

The march is sponsored by the Dallas Peace Center, which has been involved in protests with Sheehan since 2005, when the California mother staged a prolonged demonstration outside Bush’s ranch in Crawford, Texas.

“I think this is going to be the protest of the summer,” Sheehan said. “It’s really picking up a lot of energy.”

378 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:10:03pm

re: #361 Thanos

I'm not the Christian, this guy's your problem, not mine. Why don't you think about it?

Excuse me, but if he's not your problem, where do you get off telling people what to do?

Do your own letter writing.

In addition, I think it's quite wrong to write the local paper. This is a matter for the congregation, not a bunch of nosy-parkers.

379 Athens Runaway  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:10:33pm

re: #360 emmmieG

I was really reaching to re: #372 MrSilverDragon

Funny, because I haven't been able to cross the median yet.

Don't be so mean. It's just our mode of humor.

380 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:10:35pm

re: #332 jorline

Tell PBO you want one of his 600,00 new government jobs with all of the benefits. ;)

heh. I would except I am no whore. But if I were, I'd make sure the customer/PBO could pay for it.

381 avanti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:10:45pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

The return of Momma Moonbat....
Activist Cindy Sheehan in Dallas to renew anti-Bush protests

She needs to retire.

382 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:10:53pm

re: #351 ArchangelMichael

Or how about this:

Isosceles back when she was working 3 of the 5 Points.

Isosceles being clubbed in Alaska once.

383 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:10:55pm

re: #361 Thanos

I'm not the Christian, this guy's your problem, not mine. Why don't you think about it?

ReallY? So I guess the Marquis de Sade was 'your problem", as well as Karl Marx.
So FEW infamous Atheists. . .
Stalin
Leon Trotsky
Lenin
Mao
Pol Pot
Jeffery Dahmer was during his killings
Ted Kaczynski
Ted Bundy
The Shooters at Columbine

They are all or have been "your problem" , right ?

384 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:10:58pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

The return of Momma Moonbat....
Activist Cindy Sheehan in Dallas to renew anti-Bush protests

Did she miss it? We had an election....last November.....

385 Athens Runaway  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:11:15pm

re: #379 Athens Runaway

PIMF Fail.

What I meant to say was

re: #360 emmmieG
I was really reaching to re: #372 MrSilverDragon
Funny, because I haven't been able to cross the median yet.
Don't be so mean. It's just our mode of humor.

386 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:11:23pm

re: #369 emmmieG

Has anyone else mentioned that we are scalene great heights of punnery today?

Let's not go off on a tangent, or it will blow up if we reach the right angle.

387 Athens Runaway  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:11:30pm

re: #385 Athens Runaway

I give up :(

388 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:11:50pm

re: #378 Dianna

Excuse me, but if he's not your problem, where do you get off telling people what to do?

Do your own letter writing.

In addition, I think it's quite wrong to write the local paper. This is a matter for the congregation, not a bunch of nosy-parkers.

It's my business when he's praying for the death of our president. You might think me a nosy parker, that's too bad.

389 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:11:59pm

re: #384 wrenchwench

...and Obama is continuing the war.

390 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:12:01pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

The return of Momma Moonbat....
Activist Cindy Sheehan in Dallas to renew anti-Bush protests

Pssst, Cindy. He's not the president any more.

391 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:12:06pm

re: #368 ShanghaiEd

Drake also caught flak for using church letterhead to campaign for Huckabee. His reason for supporting Mike? "He fears God more than the Constitution."

He also said,

Hmmm. That last sentence...contradictory, much?

“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

The direction Drake is going he'll end up owing God a pound of flesh.

392 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:12:09pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

The return of Momma Moonbat....
Activist Cindy Sheehan in Dallas to renew anti-Bush protests

LOL, she does realize he's not the Presdient any more doesn't she?

This reminds me of the guy yelling "Free Nelson Mandela" in PCU after he had been out of prison for years.

393 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:12:14pm

re: #363 Soona'

So which one are you?

heh

394 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:12:42pm

re: #389 Killgore Trout

...and Obama is continuing the war.

And she prefers Crawford to Chicago?

395 Zimriel  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:13:04pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

The return of Momma Moonbat....
Activist Cindy Sheehan in Dallas to renew anti-Bush protests

I need tylenol just reading that sentence.

396 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:13:09pm

I think we're getting down to the lowest common denominator here...

any minuend...

(anyone other than gmsc know what that is?)

397 Athens Runaway  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:13:11pm

re: #390 redstateredneck

Pssst, Cindy. He's not the president any more.

WHAT?! You mean that I have to take down my "World Can't Wait" stickers off my Prius?

398 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:13:23pm

re: #369 emmmieG

Has anyone else mentioned that we are scalene great heights of punnery today?

Oooooh....that was Baaaad. Hie thee to a punnery forthwith!

399 jacksontn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:13:37pm

re: #364 avanti

So far, I have not seen proof of any voter fraud by Acorn, registration fraud yes. Actually false votes, not so much. If the election came down to under 100 votes, maybe, but even then, all 100 would not be in one swing state. Here's a five year study on actual fraud.

fraud.

Avanti ... I have heard this almost word for word from the ACORN people ... IMO this is how the registration fraud affected the election ...

From the beginning the Axelrod team wanted to "push" messages ... you may not know how they do it but most here do ... they pushed the message that the democrats were getting way more people registered ... the media of course picks that up and runs with it ...

This continues through the primaries ... ACORN registers more voters who say they are leaning Obama not Clinton ... further pushing the message that Clinton is not "electable" ... push all the other crap that came out of South Carolina and Oprah factor ... there you go ... Obama the only democrat that can take the republicans on ... (not true but that was the message they were pushing) .... on to the general ...

Again ... push push push ... the democrats are registering record numbers of voters ... surely the country will only want a democrat ... how could this many people be wrong ... it was the PERCEPTION THEY WERE PUSHING ...

You may not have "seen" it because you did not want to see it ... IT HAPPENED! ... the media pushed this message strong ... Avanti ... you were not here or anywhere during the election to see the other side of what happened ... or if you were ... YOU DID NOT PAY ATTENTION! ... if you really took a look at what the democrats did ... you would see it was planned ...

400 shortshrift  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:13:43pm

re: #365 IslandLibertarian

I try to clear my head from time to time. Music, book, snooze, aspirin, a laugh with my son...
I just don't think there is Someone Up There who can help me, therapeutically or otherwise.

401 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:13:48pm

re: #394 wrenchwench

And she prefers Crawford to Chicago?

This one's at the new neighborhood in Dallas.

402 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:13:50pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

The return of Momma Moonbat....
Activist Cindy Sheehan in Dallas to renew anti-Bush protests

What would she have George Bush do now? The Teleprompter Jesus is in charge. Take it up with him.

403 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:13:59pm

re: #373 Thanos

Who you going to name? Dawkins ? PZ Meyers? I've written articles calling them rabid atheists, pointing out what actions I thought were wrong, and linked back to their blogs.

Did you write to their hometown papers? Did you advocate they be thrown out of their local atheists association?

/ deep, deep sarcasm.

404 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:14:00pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

The return of Momma Moonbat....
Activist Cindy Sheehan in Dallas to renew anti-Bush protests

And I'm sure none of those people have ever prayed for W's death.

405 Athens Runaway  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:14:04pm

re: #396 emmmieG

Don't be irrational, this is a non-terminating pun thread.

406 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:14:18pm

re: #390 redstateredneck

Pssst, Cindy. He's not the president any more.

Pssst, Cindy. Bush is gone. Get the fuck over it.

407 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:14:20pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

The return of Momma Moonbat....
Activist Cindy Sheehan in Dallas to renew anti-Bush protests


who?

408 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:14:27pm

re: #364 avanti

So far, I have not seen proof of any voter fraud by Acorn, registration fraud yes. Actually false votes, not so much. If the election came down to under 100 votes, maybe, but even then, all 100 would not be in one swing state. Here's a five year study on actual fraud.

fraud.


Registration fraud is a given. Acorn is under investiagtion for voter fraud in I believe eight states.

409 formercorpsman  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:14:33pm

One quick post, and then baseball.

As someone who's politics skew right, (as I have admitted openly before) we need to denounce the m/fer's with the strongest voice possible.

I defend people of faith as I see them under attack by the media, but this shit does not help their cause whatsoever. As someone who falls to the pro-life side of the fence, we need to not only shun, but weed out the types who think murder is the antidote for a pro-life state of mind, and worse, act upon it.

It is totally hypocritical to bitch and wine about how the media portrays folks who would never condone this, but sit on the sidelines while this asshole gets the defacto nomination as the right's spokesman.

I have massive disagreements with the left. No matter how much I can't stand what Obama stands for rhetorically, his politics, or world view, the guys still has 2 daughters, a wife, and family.

I shake the dirt off my shoes.

410 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:14:55pm

re: #386 Kosh's Shadow

Let's not go off on a tangent, or it will blow up if we reach the right angle.

I guess this one needed too much math. The tangent of a right angle is infinite.

411 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:15:04pm

re: #396 emmmieG

I think we're getting down to the lowest common denominator here...

any minuend...

(anyone other than gmsc know what that is?)

I don't know. Get back to you in a minaret.

412 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:15:07pm

re: #401 redstateredneck

This one's at the new neighborhood in Dallas.

Oops, my bad. That's right in the headline.

413 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:15:09pm

re: #403 Dianna

Did you write to their hometown papers? Did you advocate they be thrown out of their local atheists association?

/ deep, deep sarcasm.

Thanos "denounced them'. Which is what the Christian orgs are doing re" Drake,,,,which wasn't enough for Thanos !
huh !?!?!?!?!

414 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:15:40pm

re: #383 sattv4u2

ReallY? So I guess the Marquis de Sade was 'your problem", as well as Karl Marx.
So FEW infamous Atheists. . .
Stalin
Leon Trotsky
Lenin
Mao
Pol Pot
Jeffery Dahmer was during his killings
Ted Kaczynski
Ted Bundy
The Shooters at Columbine

They are all or have been "your problem" , right ?

No they aren't. They are evil people, simple enough. I've also written articles about most of those mentioned pretty much slamming them all. You seem to think atheism is some kind of belief system that proselytizes, with some kind of consistent belief system. It's not. It's just non belief.

415 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:15:55pm

re: #412 wrenchwench

Oops, my bad. That's right in the headline.

Dang that Evelyn Woods speedreading course!

416 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:16:55pm

re: #383 sattv4u2

ReallY? So I guess the Marquis de Sade was 'your problem", as well as Karl Marx.
So FEW infamous Atheists. . .
Stalin
Leon Trotsky
Lenin
Mao
Pol Pot
Jeffery Dahmer was during his killings
Ted Kaczynski
Ted Bundy
The Shooters at Columbine

They are all or have been "your problem" , right ?

An upding for ya.

417 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:17:01pm

re: #388 Thanos

It's my business when he's praying for the death of our president. You might think me a nosy parker, that's too bad.

You specifically acted as if this is the problem of "christians" in general. Frankly, it's not.

Remember that I am neither a Christian, nor an atheist. I object to both Drake, and your response.

418 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:17:20pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

The return of Momma Moonbat....
Activist Cindy Sheehan in Dallas to renew anti-Bush protests

Anything at all to keep the grieving for her son at bay a little while longer.

419 redstateredneck  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:17:32pm

Gotta run end of days...(reports, not Biblical!)

Later, lizards

420 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:17:32pm

re: #364 avanti

So far, I have not seen proof of any voter fraud by Acorn, registration fraud yes. Actually false votes, not so much. If the election came down to under 100 votes, maybe, but even then, all 100 would not be in one swing state. Here's a five year study on actual fraud.

fraud.


Well what do you think the purpose of registration fraud is? Handwriting practice?

421 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:18:13pm

re: #403 Dianna

Did you write to their hometown papers? Did you advocate they be thrown out of their local atheists association?

/ deep, deep sarcasm.

There's associations for atheists? You learn something new every day. Seriously, linking to their blogs gets put into their comments where their community of readers sees what I have to say, and they see what I have to say. It's the virtual method.

422 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:18:32pm

re: #410 Kosh's Shadow

I guess this one needed too much math. The tangent of a right angle is infinite.

I thought that was a car?

423 Zimriel  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:18:55pm

re: #402 Truck Monkey

What would she have George Bush do now? The Teleprompter Jesus is in charge. Take it up with him.

That's not her point.

Sheehan is about punishing "warmongers". She wants to make sure that no-one in office can engage in warfare. The tack she's picked, apparently, is to let them know they'll be harassed in private when they leave office.

424 JustABill  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:18:56pm

re: #414 Thanos

No they aren't. They are evil people, simple enough. I've also written articles about most of those mentioned pretty much slamming them all. You seem to think atheism is some kind of belief system that proselytizes, with some kind of consistent belief system. It's not. It's just non belief.

I would characterize non belief as agnostic. My understanding is that atheism is a belief that there is no God.

425 Athens Runaway  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:18:57pm

re: #418 SixDegrees

Anything at all to keep the grieving for her son at bay a little while longer.

I wonder what her son would think of her reaction to his choice if he could talk to her from Beyond. I doubt it'd be a happy reunion.

426 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:19:00pm

re: #414 Thanos

No they aren't. They are evil people, simple enough. I've also written articles about most of those mentioned pretty much slamming them all. You seem to think atheism is some kind of belief system that proselytizes, with some kind of consistent belief system. It's not. It's just non belief.

No ,, I seem to think you demand that Christians do something MORE re: Drake than denouncing him which in essence is all you did re: "evil people" who HAPPEN to be athiest.

Evil people also "happen to be" Christian. Common denominatior, they in each case they are PEOPLE

427 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:19:36pm

re: #418 SixDegrees

Anything at all to keep the grieving for her son at bay a little while longer.

Sad. She was seriously mis-used by the left IMHO. Code Pink and these other leftist groups threw her away after she had served her purpose. I think that Cindy Sheehan has issues that need to be dealt with clinically.

428 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:20:34pm

re: #242 Maui Girl

I agree with you. You can pray what you want but it will be answered accordingly to God's will, which just means your prayer doesn't get answered in the way you expect it to.

I never pray for "getting or changing something".........I pray can handle whatever comes my way and that I am part of the solution not the problem.

"You cannot petition the Lord with prayer."
Jim Morrison

429 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:20:40pm

re: #423 Zimriel

That's not her point.

Sheehan is about punishing "warmongers". She wants to make sure that no-one in office can engage in warfare. The tack she's picked, apparently, is to let them know they'll be harassed in private when they leave office.

Not that this has to do with Bush, but she was up here in Oregon promoting a (non-starter) bill that would have let our governor keep the Oregon National Guard from being deployed.

I'm not sure that's constitutional, although I'm no lawyer. Doesn't matter, bill never made it out of committee.

430 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:20:47pm

re: #380 midwestgak

heh. I would except I am no whore. But if I were, I'd make sure the customer/PBO could pay for it.

A job is a job...take it or someone less deserving will get it.

My wife actually told me yesterday that if my old company came back and offered me a job she would want me to take it...I was blown away!
It was a nasty company with a lot of politics. One of my best friends cut my throat while on vacation...I was collateral damage...he wanted the money more than a friend.

431 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:20:56pm

re: #417 Dianna

You specifically acted as if this is the problem of "christians" in general. Frankly, it's not.

Remember that I am neither a Christian, nor an atheist. I object to both Drake, and your response.

It is a problem for Christians in general. This doesn't help their image anymore than Ibramin Hooper helps moderate muslim's image, although Hooper's never gone as far as saying he prays for a president's death.

432 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:21:00pm

re: #415 redstateredneck

Dang that Evelyn Woods speedreading course!

Odd, I was thinking about that on the way to work this AM. Wondering if it was still around. Lo and behold. Only $699.95!

433 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:21:07pm

re: #421 Thanos

There's associations for atheists? You learn something new every day. Seriously, linking to their blogs gets put into their comments where their community of readers sees what I have to say, and they see what I have to say. It's the virtual method.

nnaaahhhh!

Ellen Johnson (1947) - current president of American Atheists

oooppsss !

434 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:21:16pm

re: #414 Thanos

No they aren't. They are evil people, simple enough. I've also written articles about most of those mentioned pretty much slamming them all. You seem to think atheism is some kind of belief system that proselytizes, with some kind of consistent belief system. It's not. It's just non belief.

They all made pronouncments in one way or the other that they did not believe in God.

435 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:21:31pm

re: #421 Thanos

There's associations for atheists? You learn something new every day. Seriously, linking to their blogs gets put into their comments where their community of readers sees what I have to say, and they see what I have to say. It's the virtual method.

You are blind to your own hypocrisy.

However, write to Drake and explain why - as an atheist, mind - you are offended by his imprecatory prayers.

436 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:21:41pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

The return of Momma Moonbat....
Activist Cindy Sheehan in Dallas to renew anti-Bush protests

She needs money.

437 kynna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:21:41pm

This guy and his nirther cousins. I don't know why these people are so obsessed with making Joe Biden president.

438 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:22:57pm

re: #434 Soona'

They all made pronouncments in one way or the other that they did not believe in God.

Yes, but which of them prayed for the death of a standing US president? Aren't you going rather far afield with these strawmen?

439 KenJen  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:23:01pm

re: #422 LGoPs

I thought that was a car?

I like that car but I'm more pro-tractor.

440 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:23:23pm
441 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:23:26pm

re: #396 emmmieG

any minuend...

(anyone other than gmsc know what that is?)

A minuend is what comes at the bottom of a list of what the restaurant is serving that day.

442 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:23:30pm

re: #424 JustABill

I would characterize non belief as agnostic. My understanding is that atheism is a belief that there is no God.

Some atheists would agree with you. But it's not like there's a congregation and the doctrine is spelled out. Which is why Thanos can't demand that atheists who say things that bring discredit upon atheists be expelled from their local associations.

/ (I'm still being deeply sarcastic)

443 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:23:33pm

re: #421 Thanos

There's associations for atheists? You learn something new every day. Seriously, linking to their blogs gets put into their comments where their community of readers sees what I have to say, and they see what I have to say. It's the virtual method.

nope ,, not a one ,, nuh uh ,,,

[Link: www.atheists.org...]

[Link: www.alabamaatheist.org...]

[Link: missouriatheists.org...]

444 justabill  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:23:41pm

Is there a moderator around by chance?

445 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:23:52pm

re: #439 KenJen

I like that car but I'm more pro-tractor.

LOL

446 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:24:15pm

re: #444 justabill

Is there a moderator around by chance?

I am pretty moderate. ; )

447 Jack Burton  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:24:24pm

re: #437 kynna

This guy and his nirther cousins. I don't know why these people are so obsessed with making Joe Biden president.

I was a bit perplexed about why the Republicans were trying so hard to make Al Gore the President in 1998 as well. Seemed like a lose-lose proposition to me.

448 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:24:25pm

re: #439 KenJen

I like that car but I'm more pro-tractor.

I have an all-encompassing love for vehicles.

449 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:24:32pm

re: #436 Ben Hur

She needs money.

I do wonder why she doesn't protest Obama continuing the war.

450 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:24:32pm

re: #444 justabill

Is there a moderator around by chance?

I'm intemperate, not moderate

does that help?

451 justabill  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:24:57pm

re: #446 Truck Monkey

I am pretty moderate. ; )

Yes, but do you slow neutrons down?

452 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:24:57pm

re: #439 KenJen

I like that car but I'm more pro-tractor.

I'm taken abacus by that remark........

453 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:25:24pm

re: #449 DEZes

I do wonder why she doesn't protest Obama continuing the war.


For the same reason Code Pink doesn't go all out.

They think they will get money from him.

454 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:25:51pm

re: #449 DEZes

I do wonder why she doesn't protest Obama continuing the war.


no funding.

455 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:26:05pm

re: #425 Athens Runaway

I wonder what her son would think of her reaction to his choice if he could talk to her from Beyond. I doubt it'd be a happy reunion.

Unknown and unknowable. But her continued pursuit of the bizarre and ridiculous are exposing a deep-seated mental illness. She has proselytized about her son's death since it happened, but has never taken the time to grieve for him. She is in an emotional and mental state of suspension and denial, and I expect her outbursts will only get worse as the situation continues to go unresolved. The decreasing media attention - a sop to her histrionics - will probably also contribute to escalation as she attempts to once again wrap herself in the limelight that kept her from facing her own sorrow for so long.

Harm to herself or others is a very real possibility. And her "friends" on the extreme Left who found her to be such a useful tool are now nowhere to be found, and are doing nothing to help her.

456 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:26:06pm

re: #440 LGoPs

For a lobotomy.

Now now.

None of that ugliness.

457 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:26:17pm

re: #421 Thanos

There's associations for atheists? You learn something new every day. Seriously, linking to their blogs gets put into their comments where their community of readers sees what I have to say, and they see what I have to say. It's the virtual method.

nope ,, not a one ,, nuh uh ,,,

[Link: [Link: www.atheists.org...]...]

[Link: [Link: www.alabamaatheist.org...]...]

[Link: missouriatheists.org...]


you just did ,,,, gratis !

458 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:26:31pm

re: #427 Truck Monkey

Sad. She was seriously mis-used by the left IMHO. Code Pink and these other leftist groups threw her away after she had served her purpose. I think that Cindy Sheehan has issues that need to be dealt with clinically.

Completely agree.

459 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:26:32pm

re: #449 DEZes

I do wonder why she doesn't protest Obama continuing the war.

Is anyone? I think they are giving their guy some time before they go all protesty on him. He can do pretty much as he pleases right now.

460 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:26:38pm

re: #453 Ben Hur

For the same reason Code Pink doesn't go all out.

They think they will get money from him.

Darn, I was hoping its cause she was scared of him. ;)

461 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:26:58pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

The return of Momma Moonbat....
Activist Cindy Sheehan in Dallas to renew anti-Bush protests

SHE WON! HE'S OUT OF OFFICE!

///

462 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:27:32pm

re: #461 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SHE WON! HE'S OUT OF OFFICE!

///

It's her Victory Tour!

463 eon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:27:40pm

re: #437 kynna

This guy and his nirther cousins. I don't know why these people are so obsessed with making Joe Biden president.

The biggest beneficiaries of Biden as POTUS would be Pelosi and Reid. For his last two years in the Senate, whenever either one of them came up with a "brainstorm," Biden would immediately jump up and proclaim it the most brilliant idea he had ever heard. He'd be nothing but a rubber stamp for whatever they could talk the Dem caucuses in both Houses of Congress into approving on a party-line vote. Even The One won't go that far for them, mainly because he wants to be The Whole Show All By Himself. Unlike Sinatra, he never learned to share the stage.

cheers

eon

464 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:27:50pm

re: #397 Athens Runaway

WHAT?! You mean that I have to take down my "World Can't Wait" stickers off my Prius?

Hold off on that. Any moment now Bush will be enacting a retroactive executive order calling for marshal law and extend his presidency into 2020..........

/I miss Bush

465 Zimriel  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:27:51pm

I think Sheehan is engaging in banana republic tactics here. The idea that someone's private home can be harassed for political reasons after said someone has left politics could be extended to other government actions one doesn't like. And not just ex-Presidents; but ex-civil servants, ex-council members, ex-reporters, ex-bloggers, anybody. It's thuggery, and an abuse of free speech.

466 justabill  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:27:55pm

Well, I got to go. Have fun all...

467 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:28:09pm

re: #431 Thanos

It is a problem for Christians in general. This doesn't help their image anymore than Ibramin Hooper helps moderate muslim's image, although Hooper's never gone as far as saying he prays for a president's death.

No, it's not. Don't be obtuse.

The people Drake is a problem for are his congregation. The Southern Baptist conference has spoken out against his activities.

You're asking for people who are not members of his congregation to interfere in the business of a congregationally-governed church. Not a good idea.

As for Hooper and his fellows...moderate muslims voted with their feet and dollars. They're elsewhere. That says all I really need to know about Hooper et al.

468 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:28:30pm

re: #11 nevergiveup

And wackos on the left used to pray for President Bush's early demise also.

They did more than just hope he would die, they actively called for him to be murdered. They still do.

It's ironic that this thread should be happening now, because I just returned from a trip to the store, where I took a picture of this bumper sticker on one of the cars in the parking lot.

469 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:28:35pm

re: #457 sattv4u2

Well you still have a Christian who's going to be in the news the next week praying for the death of a president.

470 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:28:55pm

re: #455 SixDegrees

You sound like someone who is a mental health specialist.

471 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:28:59pm

re: #423 Zimriel

That's not her point.

Sheehan is about punishing "warmongers". She wants to make sure that no-one in office can engage in warfare. The tack she's picked, apparently, is to let them know they'll be harassed in private when they leave office.

With just one look Cindy Sheehan could harass the paint off a wall.

472 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:29:05pm

re: #468 Last Mohican

They did more than just hope he would die, they actively called for him to be murdered. They still do.

It's ironic that this thread should be happening now, because I just returned from a trip to the store, where I took a picture of this bumper sticker on one of the cars in the parking lot.

Classy!

//

473 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:29:06pm

re: #438 Thanos

Yes, but which of them prayed for the death of a standing US president? Aren't you going rather far afield with these strawmen?

They're atheists, Thanos. Why would they pray?

474 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:29:29pm

re: #455 SixDegrees

Doesn't she have any siblings who can reign her in/stage an intervention?

475 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:29:37pm

re: #467 Dianna

I'm not being obtuse. If you don't see this guy as a problem, I just don't know what to tell you.

476 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:29:48pm

re: #471 Spare O'Lake

With just one look Cindy Sheehan could harass the paint off a wall.

Those ugly comments are no longer tolerated.

Please report for re-education.

477 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:29:49pm

re: #111 JustABill

Most welcome.

478 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:29:58pm

re: #471 Spare O'Lake

With just one look Cindy Sheehan could harass the paint off a wall.

Or scare a buzzard off a gut wagon. ;)

479 kynna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:30:03pm

re: #447 ArchangelMichael

I was a bit perplexed about why the Republicans were trying so hard to make Al Gore the President in 1998 as well. Seemed like a lose-lose proposition to me.

And the dems wanting to make Cheney president. At least some of them realized their idiocy and started saying Impeach Bush and Cheney! Which was even more absurd than their original demand, but at least they understood what the results of their efforts would be.

Obama's embarrassed us a couple of times, but Joe Biden ... holy cowz. o_O

480 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:30:23pm

re: #440 LGoPs

Out of line, I think.

481 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:31:00pm

re: #449 DEZes

I do wonder why she doesn't protest Obama continuing the war.

But, but, it's Obama. Everyone loves the zero.

482 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:31:15pm

re: #420 LGoPs

Well what do you think the purpose of registration fraud is? Handwriting practice?

The purpose of registration fraud is for the person doing the registering to make a few extra bucks for the extra, imaginary, names before they're found out. I'm not aware of an instance where that registration made it possible for said imaginary person to vote.

The biggest problem is not registration fraud or voter fraud, but election fraud. Why manipulate one vote when you can manipulate thousands?

483 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:31:29pm

re: #430 jorline

A job is a job...take it or someone less deserving will get it.

My wife actually told me yesterday that if my old company came back and offered me a job she would want me to take it...I was blown away!
It was a nasty company with a lot of politics. One of my best friends cut my throat while on vacation...I was collateral damage...he wanted the money more than a friend.

I remember you telling me in detail in an email how that happened to you.

Ouch now and when I first read it. But here's the thing. I take a job which reduces my level of living by 50% or take unemployment? Unemployment. Never thought I would take what comes my way without earning it. Work for $2 an hour or get unemployment for $4. What would you choose?

(Not holding your feet to the fire, jorline. Reality of how things are set up discourage those that want to work.)

Here's the kicker, it's short term. I hate this.

484 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:31:42pm

re: #481 Soona'

But, but, it's Obama. Everyone loves the zero.

And who (claims to have) invented the Zero?!?

CAN'T YOU SEE?!?!?!?!

485 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:31:43pm

re: #481 Soona'

But, but, it's Obama. Everyone loves the zero.

I must need the reeducation camp then. ;)

486 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:32:05pm

re: #479 kynna

And the dems wanting to make Cheney president. At least some of them realized their idiocy and started saying Impeach Bush and Cheney! Which was even more absurd than their original demand, but at least they understood what the results of their efforts would be.

Obama's embarrassed us a couple of times, but Joe Biden ... holy cowz. o_O

Hic.


Youtube Video
487 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:32:26pm

re: #455 SixDegrees

A good study of these moonbats is done in "United in Hate: The Left's Romance with Tyranny and Terror: by Jamie Glazov [Link: www.amazon.com...]

488 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:32:49pm

bbl

489 kynna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:33:06pm

re: #455 SixDegrees

I said this back when she started. The leftists were exploiting her breakdown for all it was worth. I knew they would dump her at some point and she'd be left with nothing more than her deferred grief. She did a horrible thing, IMO, and she put other mother's sons in a great deal more danger by encouraging the enemy, but I always knew it was a shield from the true meaning of what had happened.

She needs help. Nobody on the left will give it to her and she would never accept it from anyone on the right.

490 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:33:44pm

re: #472 EmmmieG

Classy!

//

Oh, the pleasures of living in a blue state. Can you imagine what would happen if someone had a bumper sticker like that calling for Obama to be hanged? Actually, you don't have to imagine. People were arrested for it, during the presidential election. But murdering Bush is just fine.

Here's a wider-angle picture of the rest of the car. Note the Hebrew bumper sticker saying "Barack Obama." Apparently the guy is a Jew. And I'll bet most of the rest of my fellow Jews would stop and shake the guy's hand if they happened to see him coming out of his car.

491 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:34:23pm

re: #463 eon

The biggest beneficiaries of Biden as POTUS would be Pelosi and Reid. For his last two years in the Senate, whenever either one of them came up with a "brainstorm," Biden would immediately jump up and proclaim it the most brilliant idea he had ever heard. He'd be nothing but a rubber stamp for whatever they could talk the Dem caucuses in both Houses of Congress into approving on a party-line vote. Even The One won't go that far for them, mainly because he wants to be The Whole Show All By Himself. Unlike Sinatra, he never learned to share the stage.

cheers

eon

Again. Good advice for the Rev. Drakester. Be very careful what you pray for.

492 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:34:47pm

re: #470 Truck Monkey

You sound like someone who is a mental health specialist.

No. But we've all been around the block enough times to recognize what's going on with this woman, I think. I've never lost a child, but I can imagine how tempting it would be to deny that such an event had actually happened, and to find endless activities and distractions to keep from facing it. I think such a reaction is probably normal. What's not normal is having that reaction thrust into the national spotlight, and being manipulated by others intent on using your grief to serve political ends, constantly goading you into making more and more extreme statements while giving you what you need so much - a distraction from that overwhelming grief threatening to swallow you. And I think, too, that most people have experience with what happens when you repress strong emotions for too long - they generally find a way to the surface despite your best efforts, often in unpleasant ways.

493 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:35:13pm

re: #469 Thanos

Well you still have a Christian who's going to be in the news the next week praying for the death of a president.

Well ,,, seeing that you've ascribed it as "our problem" why fret over it? We'll handle it. Instead of taking time worrying yourself about it, maybe you could use that time to decide which if those Atheist Associations that DON"T exist to join!

And yes, the above comment was TOTALLY snarky!

494 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:35:13pm

re: #483 midwestgak

I remember you telling me in detail in an email how that happened to you.

Ouch now and when I first read it. But here's the thing. I take a job which reduces my level of living by 50% or take unemployment? Unemployment. Never thought I would take what comes my way without earning it. Work for $2 an hour or get unemployment for $4. What would you choose?

you earned it. it was taken out of your pay while you were working.

495 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:35:34pm

re: #468 Last Mohican

They did more than just hope he would die, they actively called for him to be murdered. They still do.

It's ironic that this thread should be happening now, because I just returned from a trip to the store, where I took a picture of this bumper sticker on one of the cars in the parking lot.

Would it be a crime to use a semi-sharp object to sratch off that sticker?

496 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:36:16pm

re: #489 kynna

I said this back when she started. The leftists were exploiting her breakdown for all it was worth. I knew they would dump her at some point and she'd be left with nothing more than her deferred grief. She did a horrible thing, IMO, and she put other mother's sons in a great deal more danger by encouraging the enemy, but I always knew it was a shield from the true meaning of what had happened.

She needs help. Nobody on the left will give it to her and she would never accept it from anyone on the right.

You and I are on the same page. I've also felt she was being exploited since she first surfaced, and that it would wind up badly for her.

497 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:36:22pm

re: #495 MandyManners

Would it be a crime to use a semi-sharp object to sratch off that sticker?

I would never advocate that. Why, you might miss and get the rest of the car, and that would be vandalism.

So, of course, I just couldn't advocate it.

498 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:36:35pm

re: #493 sattv4u2

Well ,,, seeing that you've ascribed it as "our problem" why fret over it? We'll handle it. Instead of taking time worrying yourself about it, maybe you could use that time to decide which if those Atheist Associations that DON"T exist to join!

And yes, the above comment was TOTALLY snarky!

I'm not fretting, I'm just saying you should be. I don't join groups.

499 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:36:45pm

re: #484 Ben Hur

And who (claims to have) invented the Zero?!?

CAN'T YOU SEE?!?!?!?!

Aaaaaaahhhhhhh. Yes.

500 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:36:57pm

re: #495 MandyManners

Would it be a crime to use a semi-sharp object to sratch off that sticker?

Like a Bulldozer.

501 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:37:18pm

re: #494 brookly red

Thanks, brookly, for reminding me.

502 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:37:18pm

Does it make it mean more if I put exclamation points in every comment?

503 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:37:23pm

re: #497 EmmmieG

I would never advocate that. Why, you might miss and get the rest of the car, and that would be vandalism.

So, of course, I just couldn't advocate it.

Indelible magic marker over the noose?

504 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:37:43pm

re: #495 MandyManners

Would it be a crime to use a semi-sharp object to sratch off that sticker?

/I just pee on em and they fall off :)

505 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:37:59pm

re: #503 MandyManners

Indelible magic marker over the noose?

That would work for me.

506 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:38:08pm

Will all caps get me "teh win?"

507 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:38:12pm

Gotta' finish dinner.

508 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:38:18pm

re: #495 MandyManners

Would it be a crime to use a semi-sharp object to sratch off that sticker?

I was thinking more in terms of putting another bumper sticker on top of it, saying simply "Have a Nice Day." So as not to risk damaging his car.

Ironically, that would be a crime, but calling for the violent murder of the president of the United States is perfectly fine, as long as it's a Republican you're talking about murdering.

509 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:38:57pm

re: #492 SixDegrees

No. But we've all been around the block enough times to recognize what's going on with this woman, I think. I've never lost a child, but I can imagine how tempting it would be to deny that such an event had actually happened, and to find endless activities and distractions to keep from facing it. I think such a reaction is probably normal. What's not normal is having that reaction thrust into the national spotlight, and being manipulated by others intent on using your grief to serve political ends, constantly goading you into making more and more extreme statements while giving you what you need so much - a distraction from that overwhelming grief threatening to swallow you. And I think, too, that most people have experience with what happens when you repress strong emotions for too long - they generally find a way to the surface despite your best efforts, often in unpleasant ways.

I think her brains were scrambled long before her son was killed.

510 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:39:03pm

re: #508 Last Mohican

I was thinking more in terms of putting another bumper sticker on top of it, saying simply "Have a Nice Day." So as not to risk damaging his car.

Ironically, that would be a crime, but calling for the violent murder of the president of the United States is perfectly fine, as long as it's a Republican you're talking about murdering.

How about one of those "coexist" bumper stickers I see everywhere? I'm not sure they'd see the irony, though.

511 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:39:08pm

re: #501 midwestgak

Thanks, brookly, for reminding me.

well just so long as you don't think you will get social security...

512 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:39:16pm

re: #495 MandyManners

Would it be a crime to use a semi-sharp object to sratch off that sticker?

Very carefully cut along the noose part of the sticker, peel the noose off, and place it beside the Obama sticker.
But that would be very wrong.

513 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:39:31pm

re: #498 Thanos

I'm not fretting, I'm just saying you should be. I don't join groups.

You joined this one!

514 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:39:37pm

re: #475 Thanos

I'm not being obtuse. If you don't see this guy as a problem, I just don't know what to tell you.

I see him as a problem, all right; I worry about people who say things like this, and who they will encourage to mad acts. But - those who can condemn his statements have done so, and it's freakin' stupid to pretend that Christians in general can do anything but say what has already been said.

Unless you propose that someone besides his congregation remove him from his pulpit? I can't see that as anything but interference of a most obnoxious sort.

515 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:39:42pm
516 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:41:04pm

re: #510 EmmmieG

How about one of those "coexist" bumper stickers I see everywhere? I'm not sure they'd see the irony, though.

I really hate those. It bugs me how the word is used in the imperative. Like, "enough, already, all you various people who are less enlightened than me! Get it together! You're pissing me off!"

Still a lot more mature than the "murder President Bush" bumper stickers though.

517 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:41:35pm

re: #513 sattv4u2

You joined this one!

I'm not in this group! I'm just a vistor! I don't join any groups!

/does it mean more if I use exclamation points?

518 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:41:59pm

There are people right here on LGF (you know who you are) who must have a really hard time disagreeing with this Drake fellow.

A really hard time.

519 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:42:24pm

re: #512 DEZes

Very carefully cut along the noose part of the sticker, peel the noose off, and place it beside the Obama sticker.
But that would be very wrong.

That would still be vandalizing someone else's property.

How about this: I make my own bumper sticker, with a noose, and the words "Support Obama." Then I put it on my own car, park right next to the other guy's car, and videotape what happens next.

520 Eowyn2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:43:06pm

huffing and puffing, sorry I'm late to the thread

Some people are just plain psycho. I pray that this guy realizes what an idiot he is.

521 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:43:08pm
522 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:43:10pm

re: #511 brookly red

well just so long as you don't think you will get social security...

heh. Will anyone not already getting it, get it? Rhetorical question.

523 KenJen  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:43:11pm

re: #516 Last Mohican

I really hate those. It bugs me how the word is used in the imperative. Like, "enough, already, all you various people who are less enlightened than me! Get it together! You're pissing me off!"

Still a lot more mature than the "murder President Bush" bumper stickers though.


I saw one the last week said "save a tree, kill a bush instead". It was on a beat up p.o.s. with a dirty hippie driving.

524 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:43:17pm

re: #498 Thanos

I'm not fretting, I'm just saying you should be. I don't join groups.

Then please shut up.

525 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:43:19pm

re: #519 Last Mohican

That would still be vandalizing someone else's property.

How about this: I make my own bumper sticker, with a noose, and the words "Support Obama." Then I put it on my own car, park right next to the other guy's car, and videotape what happens next.

You must hate your car.

526 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:44:00pm

re: #519 Last Mohican

That would still be vandalizing someone else's property.

How about this: I make my own bumper sticker, with a noose, and the words "Support Obama." Then I put it on my own car, park right next to the other guy's car, and videotape what happens next.

the secret service...

527 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:44:00pm

re: #523 KenJen

I saw one the last week said "save a tree, kill a bush instead". It was on a beat up p.o.s. with a dirty hippie driving.

Did I wave at you?

/////

528 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:44:30pm

re: #167 Ben Hur

I wonder if the Reverend Jeremiah Wright prays for anyone to die?

/Just a thought.

Not specifically, that I've heard of.
He did scream God damn America in church though.

Then one of his flock got himself elected President.

Coincidence?

/

529 ladycatnip  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:44:31pm

#414 Thanos

No they aren't. They are evil people, simple enough. I've also written articles about most of those mentioned pretty much slamming them all. You seem to think atheism is some kind of belief system that proselytizes, with some kind of consistent belief system. It's not. It's just non belief.

#431 Thanos

It is a problem for Christians in general. This doesn't help their image anymore than Ibramin Hooper helps moderate muslim's image, although Hooper's never gone as far as saying he prays for a president's death.

In #383 sattv4u2 identified a large group of evil people who committed atrocities. By your reasoning in #361 and #431 - "this guy is your problem...It is a problem for Christians in general..." then we can say all the evil done by those non-believers are your problem, as they constitute a sample of the population who share non-belief and have committed evil atrocities.

By your logic we could then say evil actions done by non-believers are because they are non-believers.

530 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:45:04pm

re: #508 Last Mohican


Ironically, that would be a crime, but calling for the violent murder of the president of the United States is perfectly fine, as long as it's a Republican you're talking about murdering.

I interpreted the noose as calling for his trial for war crimes and execution, a popular meme on the far left. I think it's calling for his killing by legal, judicial means.

531 avanti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:45:21pm

re: #408 opnion

Registration fraud is a given. Acorn is under investiagtion for voter fraud in I believe eight states.

The simple fact is that in the last five years there have been about 100 charged with actual fraud with 60 convictions, not enough to effect the vote especially since they were spread around the country. No question Acorn has been involved in registration fraud, most cases reported by Acorn themselves. When you pay unskilled workers to make a quota, some will sit on the curb and register Mickey Mouse.

532 KingKenrod  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:45:31pm

re: #515 taxfreekiller

Kilgore Trout, Cato the Elder, Avanti, Jimmah etal.

Who are these two New York State Senate Democrats who filliped control back to the R's, any chance they are Ron Pauls or what?

Some say this deal is way strange.

develop that

The two guys who switched got leadership positions. And from Bronx and Queens, no less.

Clearly this is just another sign of the rapidly shrinking and permanently marginalized GOP.

533 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:45:34pm

re: #525 DEZes

You must hate your car.

Yeah, it would be kind of a high price to pay to make a point.

Remember the story about the middle school student somewhere in America who came to school wearing an Obama t-shirt, and then the next week she wore a McCain t-shirt for a day? The first week people were coming up to her telling her how great she was, and the second week people were telling her she was a racist and even threatening her.

534 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:45:35pm

re: #515 taxfreekiller

I saw the story but haven't looked into it. I doubt they're Paulians although there are a lot of them in upstate NY.

535 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:46:14pm

re: #524 Dianna

Then please shut up.

I don't join groups either. Can I still talk?

536 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:46:18pm

re: #525 DEZes

You must hate your car.

Very, very good one!

537 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:46:23pm

re: #524 Dianna

Then please shut up.

Never

538 KenJen  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:46:31pm

re: #530 Conservative Moonbat

I interpreted the noose as calling for his trial for war crimes and execution, a popular meme on the far left. I think it's calling for his killing by legal, judicial means.

Well, your living up to half of your nic.

539 eon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:46:33pm

re: #515 taxfreekiller

Kilgore Trout, Cato the Elder, Avanti, Jimmah etal.

Who are these two New York State Senate Democrats who filliped control back to the R's, any chance they are Ron Pauls or what?

Some say this deal is way strange.

develop that

Link

Warning; It's the NYT.

/they are not amused

cheers

eon

540 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:46:47pm

re: #517 Thanos

I'm not in this group! I'm just a vistor! I don't join any groups!

/does it mean more if I use exclamation points?

I hate to tell you this. Until Stinky decides otherwise, when you log on to LGF, you are a member of this group.

541 Eowyn2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:46:57pm

re: #490 Last Mohican

feel the love

542 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:47:42pm

re: #535 Cato the Elder

I don't join groups either. Can I still talk?

So long as you don't do what Thanos was doing, sure.

I'm just expressing my irritation with Thanos on this.

543 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:48:00pm

re: #535 Cato the Elder

I don't join groups either. Can I still talk?

"I Wouldn't Join Any Club that Would Have Me as a Member."

You are now responsible for Groucho Marx.

544 JacksonTn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:48:03pm

re: #531 avanti

The simple fact is that in the last five years there have been about 100 charged with actual fraud with 60 convictions, not enough to effect the vote especially since they were spread around the country. No question Acorn has been involved in registration fraud, most cases reported by Acorn themselves. When you pay unskilled workers to make a quota, some will sit on the curb and register Mickey Mouse.

avanti ... you live in a dream ...

545 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:48:05pm

re: #530 Conservative Moonbat

I interpreted the noose as calling for his trial for war crimes and execution, a popular meme on the far left. I think it's calling for his killing by legal, judicial means.

It didn't say "subject Bush to an appropriate punishment for his illegal acts, as duly determined by a court of law in the appropriate jurisdiction." It said "hang Bush to death."

I wonder how many of these people are against the death penalty for rapists and murderers.

546 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:48:08pm

re: #533 Last Mohican

Yeah, it would be kind of a high price to pay to make a point.

Remember the story about the middle school student somewhere in America who came to school wearing an Obama t-shirt, and then the next week she wore a McCain t-shirt for a day? The first week people were coming up to her telling her how great she was, and the second week people were telling her she was a racist and even threatening her.

It wasn't somewhere in America, it was in Chicago, the heart of Obama territory, just to be fair.

It's still pretty fucked up.

547 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:48:18pm

There are people right here on LGF (you know who you are) who are looking at nekkid pictures right now.

548 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:48:21pm

re: #517 Thanos

I'm not in this group! I'm just a vistor! I don't join any groups!

/does it mean more if I use exclamation points?

No, and it doesn't mean I win if I do

(but it might mean you've lost when you have to resort to pointing out punctuation and grammar instead of sticking too and defending subsatnce)

just sayin'!

549 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:48:40pm

re: #533 Last Mohican

Yeah, it would be kind of a high price to pay to make a point.

Remember the story about the middle school student somewhere in America who came to school wearing an Obama t-shirt, and then the next week she wore a McCain t-shirt for a day? The first week people were coming up to her telling her how great she was, and the second week people were telling her she was a racist and even threatening her.

I do remember that, I am sure she learned a lot about human nature in a very short time.

550 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:48:56pm

re: #483 midwestgak

I remember you telling me in detail in an email how that happened to you.

Ouch now and when I first read it. But here's the thing. I take a job which reduces my level of living by 50% or take unemployment? Unemployment. Never thought I would take what comes my way without earning it. Work for $2 an hour or get unemployment for $4. What would you choose?

(Not holding your feet to the fire, jorline. Reality of how things are set up discourage those that want to work.)

Here's the kicker, it's short term. I hate this.

I meant for you to take one of PBO's new permanent government jobs...remember he's creating 600,000 of them and they will pay well and have benefits. I told my two older sons to look for a job tied to the government...they won't go belly-up. It pains me to tell my sons that, but the private sector will be sucked dry.

551 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:49:06pm

re: #537 Thanos

Never

All right - more moderate request: Please shut up about this particular subject, because you're so far into the deep end that it's worrisome.

552 kynna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:49:25pm

re: #495 MandyManners

Would it be a crime to use a semi-sharp object to sratch off that sticker?

I have this idea that I'll never act on of making up a huge stack of magnetic bumper stickers that would say "stuck on stupid" and popping them on the backs of cars that have things like that. It would do no damage to the car, but it would let them know their ideas aren't necessarily appreciated by everyone.

553 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:49:33pm

re: #529 ladycatnip

marry me!
//

554 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:49:36pm

re: #530 Conservative Moonbat

I interpreted the noose as calling for his trial for war crimes and execution, a popular meme on the far left. I think it's calling for his killing by legal, judicial means.

Oh. Well. That's different.
///

555 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:49:39pm

re: #547 Racer X

There are people right here on LGF (you know who you are) who are looking at nekkid pictures right now.

Busted.

556 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:49:45pm

re: #538 KenJen

Well, your living up to half of your nic.

And not the better half.

557 avanti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:50:38pm

re: #539 eon

Link

Warning; It's the NYT.

/they are not amused

cheers

eon

Yea, something is strange.

"Why Mr. Espada and Mr. Monserrate suddenly defected on Monday afternoon was not immediately clear. Both men are under investigation by the authorities. The state attorney general’s office is investigating a health care agency, Soundview HealthCare Network, that Mr. Espada ran until recently. And Mr. Monserrate, who was indicted on felony assault charges in March stemming from an attack on his companion, would automatically be thrown out of office if convicted."

558 kynna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:51:28pm

re: #519 Last Mohican

That would still be vandalizing someone else's property.

How about this: I make my own bumper sticker, with a noose, and the words "Support Obama." Then I put it on my own car, park right next to the other guy's car, and videotape what happens next.

That's a great idea for a documentary short. You'd get the kind of reactions they're always faking up for Nascar folks on NBC.

559 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:51:45pm

re: #529 ladycatnip

#414 Thanos

In #383 sattv4u2 identified a large group of evil people who committed atrocities. By your reasoning in #361 and #431 - "this guy is your problem...It is a problem for Christians in general..." then we can say all the evil done by those non-believers are your problem, as they constitute a sample of the population who share non-belief and have committed evil atrocities.

By your logic we could then say evil actions done by non-believers are because they are non-believers.

Strawman. Christians belong to a religion, the same one as the guy praying for the death of our president, the same one that phelps belong to, the same one Randall Terry belongs to. I'm saying it's time for the "real christians" as opposed to the "no true scotsmen" christians to start addressing this madness. Ignore it and it will just get worse.

/If you've ever complained about about moderate muslims not doing enough here then after this conversation.... mote, beam, etc.

560 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:52:03pm

I wish people would learn the difference between the words "yea" and "yeah".

Yay!

561 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:52:29pm

re: #560 Cato the Elder

I wish people would learn the difference between the words "yea" and "yeah".

Yay!

Ya.

562 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:52:54pm

re: #547 Racer X

There are people right here on LGF (you know who you are) who are looking at nekkid pictures right now.

Your good.

563 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:53:00pm

I seriously doubt that there is anyone here who has never wished for someone to die.
The difference with this asshole is that he wished it publicly and in his capacity as a representative of a major religion - and then repeated it.

564 bkgodfrey  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:53:09pm

At least his statement was denounced in a timely manner by Dr. Hunt. I have met Dr. Hunt before and he is a very kind-hearted man with an incredible personal story. My parents still attend his church which is located in the northern Metro Atlanta area. He is the kind of leader Christians should look to, not the despicable Wiley Drake.

Drake's statements are akin to the so-called "pro-lifer" murdering someone with whom he adamantly disagreed with.

565 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:53:29pm

re: #560 Cato the Elder

I wish people would learn the difference between the words "yea" and "yeah".

Yay!

Yay!

Pet peeves! Bring 'em out, folks, and let's display them for each other!

566 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:54:02pm

re: #539 eon

Link

Warning; It's the NYT.

/they are not amused

cheers

eon

That is way cool btw - now if we can keep other party members from labeling them Rinos maybe we can get somewhere in a populous state.

567 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:54:22pm

re: #565 Dianna

Yay!

Pet peeves! Bring 'em out, folks, and let's display them for each other!

Mine are mostly shaggy and shed a lot.

568 KenJen  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:54:45pm

Good night. Going home to play with the puppy doggies.

569 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:54:54pm

re: #545 Last Mohican

I wonder how many of these people are against the death penalty for rapists and murderers.

But Bush is worse. He's a Republican. ;)

570 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:54:59pm

re: #567 Cato the Elder

Mine are mostly shaggy and shed a lot.

I've got such a crowd of them, they disappear under the clouds of hair and dust!

571 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:55:19pm

re: #565 Dianna

Yay!

Pet peeves! Bring 'em out, folks, and let's display them for each other!

fruit on pizza.

572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:55:39pm

re: #517 Thanos

Yes! Yes it does!

573 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:56:16pm

re: #565 Dianna

Yay!

Pet peeves! Bring 'em out, folks, and let's display them for each other!

People who have those handicap placards that hang on their mirrors that park in the handicap spots when the person the placard is for is NOT with them

When the driver of a car is handicapped, they get a license plate
When you have responsibility for a passenger who is handicapped, you get the mirror tag
YOU are not handicapped
YOU don't get to park there unless they are with you

574 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:56:19pm

re: #509 Soona'

I think her brains were scrambled long before her son was killed.

She certainly had leanings to the far Left long before her son's death. But they became a crutch, and more, to her in helping to avoid dealing with her sorrow. Others might have withdrawn into other obsessive behavior. Her own response, already close at hand, helped catapult her onto the front page, and her emotional death spiral was locked in place.

575 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:56:42pm

re: #550 jorline

I meant for you to take one of PBO's new permanent government jobs...remember he's creating 600,000 of them and they will pay well and have benefits. I told my two older sons to look for a job tied to the government...they won't go belly-up. It pains me to tell my sons that, but the private sector will be sucked dry.


Sweet jorline. I think I know what you meant. But I reject government jobs because the jobs that government creates take your/mine/ours. No government job created on that can be permanant. This government is destroying anything permanant. It's destroying us. 600,000 jobs created by the PBO is a lie.

I will not rely, nor base my future on PBO.

576 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:56:43pm

re: #571 brookly red

fruit on pizza.

Does that include tomatoes?

577 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:56:46pm

re: #557 avanti

Yea, something is strange.

"Why Mr. Espada and Mr. Monserrate suddenly defected on Monday afternoon was not immediately clear. Both men are under investigation by the authorities. The state attorney general’s office is investigating a health care agency, Soundview HealthCare Network, that Mr. Espada ran until recently. And Mr. Monserrate, who was indicted on felony assault charges in March stemming from an attack on his companion, would automatically be thrown out of office if convicted."

ut oh

578 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:57:02pm

re: #559 Thanos

Strawman. Christians belong to a religion, the same one as the guy praying for the death of our president, the same one that phelps belong to, the same one Randall Terry belongs to. I'm saying it's time for the "real christians" as opposed to the "no true scotsmen" christians to start addressing this madness. Ignore it and it will just get worse.

/If you've ever complained about about moderate muslims not doing enough here then after this conversation.... mote, beam, etc.

Have you told the Baptists I belong to the same religion as them?

I don't think they agree with that...

579 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:57:48pm

re: #577 Thanos

ut oh

they must be Christians, huh!

580 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:57:56pm

re: #576 Dianna

Does that include tomatoes?

only on white pizza. (smartass)

581 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:58:25pm

re: #578 EmmmieG

Have you told the Baptists I belong to the same religion as them?

I don't think they agree with that...

Depends on the Baptists, I think?

582 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:58:32pm

re: #548 sattv4u2

I'm still saying you need to get the crazy under control. You might not like it, but it's the way I see it.

/just sayin!

583 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:58:42pm

FWIW, driving around my moonbat city, I still see a lot of bumper stickers that say, "Get Dick First". Wonder what they could possibly mean by that?

584 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:58:55pm

re: #561 Truck Monkey

Ya.

YO!

585 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:59:04pm

re: #579 sattv4u2

they must be Christians, huh!

Maybe! Who Knows!

586 avanti  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:59:28pm

re: #544 JacksonTn

avanti ... you live in a dream ...

Sorry, but it's true. The supervisors flag the obvious fake registrations but are required by law to turn them in. They flag and catch the bulk of them.

587 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:59:34pm
588 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 2:59:56pm

re: #585 Thanos

Maybe! Who Knows!

If they're atheists, will you please take care of it.,,, STAT

589 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:00:28pm

re: #572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

pbbbbt

590 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:00:45pm

re: #481 Soona'

But, but, it's Obama. Everyone loves the zero.

Didn't the Muslims invent the "zero"?
/oh, I'm just goofin', no need to get upset....

591 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:01:19pm

re: #588 sattv4u2

No, because I don't belong to atheist groups either.

592 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:01:24pm
593 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:01:32pm

re: #583 Son of the Black Dog

FWIW, driving around my moonbat city, I still see a lot of bumper stickers that say, "Get Dick First". Wonder what they could possibly mean by that?

Gay pride?

594 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:01:34pm

re: #589 Thanos

pbbbbt

No, no; that's "pbbbbt!1!1!"

595 JacksonTn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:01:50pm

re: #586 avanti

Sorry, but it's true. The supervisors flag the obvious fake registrations but are required by law to turn them in. They flag and catch the bulk of them.

Avanti .... so nice of them to screw up the process ... wow ... wonder where they might have gotten that idea? ... oh, creating a chaos ... what book might we find that in ... who might have studied that .... hmmmmm ... guess that mess in Ohio was "good" for the process ...

Again ... you live in a dream ...

596 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:02:00pm

re: #583 Son of the Black Dog

FWIW, driving around my moonbat city, I still see a lot of bumper stickers that say, "Get Dick First". Wonder what they could possibly mean by that?

And what do they want second?

597 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:02:45pm

re: #594 wrenchwench

only if I were replying to the satellite guy.

598 DEZes  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:02:46pm

re: #596 Wendya

And what do they want second?

Must resist.......

599 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:02:51pm

re: #590 IslandLibertarian

Didn't the Muslims invent the "zero"?

Indians, actually. But sometimes Muslims like to take credit for it.

600 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:02:57pm

re: #575 midwestgak

Sweet jorline. I think I know what you meant. But I reject government jobs because the jobs that government creates take your/mine/ours. No government job created on that can be permanant. This government is destroying anything permanant. It's destroying us. 600,000 jobs created by the PBO is a lie.

I will not rely, nor base my future on PBO.

Obama Pledges to Flood Economy With Stimulus Money

I forgot...he promised 3.5 million jobs.

Bernstein, said that the 125,000 are not being counted as part of the 3.5 million jobs the administration pledged would be created or saved as a result of the recovery bill signed into law in February.

You will fair well in the long run...you're a fighter.
*tips hat to gak*

601 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:03:03pm

re: #573 sattv4u2

People who have those handicap placards that hang on their mirrors that park in the handicap spots when the person the placard is for is NOT with them

When the driver of a car is handicapped, they get a license plate
When you have responsibility for a passenger who is handicapped, you get the mirror tag
YOU are not handicapped
YOU don't get to park there unless they are with you

Unless you're temporarily handicapped, like I was. I got only a mirror placard, abeit a different colored one.

602 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:03:11pm

re: #592 Iron Fist

They'll let just about anybody call themselves a Baptist these days :-)

Exhibit A: Westboro Baptist Church. Not a member of the Southern Baptist Convention or any other recognized Baptist group, but no one can prevent them using the name.

603 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:03:35pm

re: #591 Thanos

No, because I don't belong to atheist groups either.

But you made a big show that a Christian being a miscreant was "our problem", not yours.So you don't have to do anything about it except admonsh Christians to "so something"

So if these guys are atheists, whose problem are they!?!?!

604 jorline  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:03:58pm

Time to go home and see mama and the kids...bbl!

605 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:04:08pm

re: #602 doppelganglander

Exhibit A: Westboro Baptist Church. Not a member of the Southern Baptist Convention or any other recognized Baptist group, but no one can prevent them using the name.

Note to self: when I create my new religion, I must remember to register the name as a trademark.

606 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:04:41pm

re: #601 Soona'

Unless you're temporarily handicapped, like I was. I got only a mirror placard, abeit a different colored one.

exception noted

607 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:06:14pm

re: #603 sattv4u2

I didn't make a big show, I stated reality. People like this are a big problem for Christians. People like Alan Colmes and the lefty blogs will continue to make these idiots your face until you yourselves start reigning in the crazies.

608 midwestgak  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:06:17pm

re: #600 jorline

You will fair well in the long run...you're a fighter.
*tips hat to gak*

If there is a "smooch" signal, I don't know it. But would give it to you.

609 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:06:28pm

The primitivity of some practitioners of "religion" never ceases to amaze.

We Romans practiced imprecatory prayer too. There are many examples that have survived, scratched on lead tablets and the like.

Here's a sample:

Spirits of the underworld, I consecrate and hand over to you, if you have any power [sic!], Ticene of Carisius. Whatever she does, may it all turn out wrong. Spirits of the netherworld, I consecrate to you her limbs, her complexion, her figure, her head, her hair, her shadow, her brain, her forehead, her eyebrows, her mouth, her nose, her chin, her cheeks, her lips, her speech, her breath, her neck, her liver, her shoulders, her heart, her lungs, her intestines, her stomach, her arms, her fingers, her hands, her navel, her entrails, her thighs, her knees, her calves, her heels, her soles, her toes. Spirits of the netherworld, if I see her wasting away, I swear that I will be delighted to offer a sacrifice to you every year.

This is the "god" that Drake prays to.

In some tribes it is enough for the local shaman to curse a man and he will go away and die.

The hamsa, an amulet worn to ward off the Evil Eye, is common throughout the Middle East, to both Jews and Muslims.

A lot of what passes for Christianity is nothing but paganism with a biblical veneer. That's because a lot of what is in the Bible is patently pagan in nature.

At least when the pagans do it they know what they're doing and don't shove it in the shoes of the Creator of the Universe.

Imps and afrits upon Drake and his make.

610 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:06:47pm

A theist - believes in God.
Atheist - believes in no God.
Both believe and that IMO is not the problem.
Extreme moral certainty is the problem.
Because that breeds contempt for the beliefs of others.

611 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:06:56pm
612 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:07:08pm
613 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:08:32pm

re: #612 Iron Fist

But they are 600,000 jobs that will never be cut. If I were out of work, I'd apply.

What is hard is not applying anyway. But I doubt they are looking for someone with my skillsets. Either one of them.

/reading & writing?

614 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:08:35pm

re: #11 nevergiveup

wrong * n = right

Solve for n.

615 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:08:42pm

re: #607 Thanos

I didn't make a big show, I stated reality. People like this are a big problem for Christians. People like Alan Colmes and the lefty blogs will continue to make these idiots your face until you yourselves start reigning in the crazies.

And we've come full circle. What do you suggest, other than the denouncements you have been shown directed at Drake and your suggestion of "letter writing" would you have "us" do?

616 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:09:22pm

re: #609 Cato the Elder

Aren't we glad the petitioner didn't know the words for capillaries, optics nerves, phalanges, and the like? Would have had to buy a few more tablets...

617 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:09:47pm
618 Sheepdogess  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:10:03pm

re: #222 jcm

May the lord bless and keep the czar ... far away from us.
Rabbi, Fiddler on the Roof.

;-)

I love that movie.

619 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:10:10pm

re: #610 Spare O'Lake

A theist - believes in God.
Atheist - believes in no God.
Both believe and that IMO is not the problem.
Extreme moral certainty is the problem.
Because that breeds contempt for the beliefs of others.

Yesterday at Mass the priest quoted a line from Saint Augustine.

"God has many who are not of the church; and the church has many who are not of God."

Those who set themselves up as judges of other people's eternal souls are eternally deluded.

620 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:10:20pm

re: #615 sattv4u2

And we've come full circle. What do you suggest, other than the denouncements you have been shown directed at Drake and your suggestion of "letter writing" would you have "us" do?

It's your religion, do what you will. I made one suggestion upthread, you pished it. It's your problem, be creative if that's possible for you.

621 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:10:23pm

re: #607 Thanos

I didn't make a big show, I stated reality. People like this are a big problem for Christians. People like Alan Colmes and the lefty blogs will continue to make these idiots your face until you yourselves start reigning in the crazies.

Like Muslims are trying to reign in their crazies?

622 eon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:10:56pm

re: #573 sattv4u2

People who have those handicap placards that hang on their mirrors that park in the handicap spots when the person the placard is for is NOT with them

When the driver of a car is handicapped, they get a license plate
When you have responsibility for a passenger who is handicapped, you get the mirror tag
YOU are not handicapped
YOU don't get to park there unless they are with you

Not necessarily. In Ohio, a handicapped driver only gets the plate if they're willing to pay extra for it every year, just like a "vanity" plate. For this reason, most handicapped drivers in OH just have the placard. Under OH law, the only handicapped drivers who are required to have the plate vs. the placard are those whose handicap requires a specially modified vehicle (hand controls, wheelchair lift, etc.). And yes, they have to pay extra for the plate.

Yes, this is technically a violation of Federal law, but as long as the state BMV doesn't charge extra for the placard, they can charge more for the plate (calling it a "processing" or "material" fee, etc.), and get away with it.

/Friend of mine is 72, limited mobility, has the placard, refuses to pay extra for the plate- and I don't blame her.

cheers

eon

623 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:11:32pm

It's "rein in," by the way.

/used to ride horses.

624 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:12:13pm

re: #623 wrenchwench

It's "rein in," by the way.

/used to ride horses.

Bikes are cheaper and much easier to maintain!

625 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:12:27pm
626 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:12:38pm

re: #545 Last Mohican

He is still "President" Bush.
He is still protected by the Secret Service.
Is this bumper sticker is a criminal act?

627 Clemente  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:12:42pm

re: #586 avanti

Sorry, but it's true. The supervisors flag the obvious fake registrations but are required by law to turn them in. They flag and catch the bulk of them.

There is no reason to to conclude that any meaningful percentage of ACORN's fake registrations are "obvious", is there?

628 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:12:43pm

re: #560 Cato the Elder

I wish people would learn the difference between the words "yea" and "yeah".

Yay!

Yea shall use yeah in the proper context or the Lord God shall smite thee!

:-P

629 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:13:35pm
630 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:13:47pm

re: #625 buzzsawmonkey

It's rein in, men!

--cowboy movie

rein in men!

my ex.

631 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:13:49pm

re: #626 IslandLibertarian

He is still "President" Bush.
He is still protected by the Secret Service.
Is this bumper sticker is a criminal act?

I don't know. I suspect not, though, or the maker might have gotten in some trouble.

632 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:15:11pm

re: #607 Thanos

I didn't make a big show, I stated reality. People like this are a big problem for Christians. People like Alan Colmes and the lefty blogs will continue to make these idiots your face until you yourselves start reigning in the crazies.

These people can say whatever they wish. There's no reigning in anyone. This is America. I have more faith in the sane discernment of the American population than obviously you have.

633 eon  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:15:46pm

re: #623 wrenchwench

It's "rein in," by the way.

/used to ride horses.

re: #624 Dianna

Bikes are cheaper and much easier to maintain!

And they don't give you a dirty look when you bring them to a stop.

/"Hey! I was just starting to have fun!"

/Very big Arabian stallion vs. ten-year-old me, c. 1968- he only really wanted to stop when it got close to his dinnertime

cheers

eon

634 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:16:15pm

re: #629 Iron Fist

What, exactly, other than condemning them ?can we do? Killing them is out, so what's left? The only thing I can see is hanging the Left with the Folsom Street Fair every day, and at least a weekly dose of Scrotal Inflation Man. Then there are all the people who called for Bush to be assassintate. They haven't gone anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if they still thought someone should assassinate Bush...

I have asked him 3 times. He won;'t answer (other than a suggestion of writing to Drakes hometown paper,, and I pointed out the drawbacks in that above)

It's not 'his" problem, it's "ours"

635 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:16:49pm

re: #547 Racer X

There are people right here on LGF (you know who you are) who are looking at nekkid pictures right now.

.uh...err......ZZZZZZZZIIIIIIIIIIP..........ahem......not anymore.........

636 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:18:10pm

Dang.

*looks around room*

No one told me it was my turn to babysit the crazies.

637 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:18:16pm
638 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:18:38pm

re: #632 Soona'

These people can say whatever they wish. There's no reigning in anyone. This is America. I have more faith in the sane discernment of the American population than obviously you have.

Ooops. Rein, not reign. And certainly not rain.

639 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:18:39pm

re: #636 Racer X

Sometimes you get elected when you're not looking.

640 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:19:53pm

re: #626 IslandLibertarian

He is still "President" Bush.
He is still protected by the Secret Service.
Is this bumper sticker is a criminal act?

I actually considered emailing the photo to the Secret Service. But if they went around arresting everyone who publicly calls for Bush to be killed, they'd have to arrest half the liberals in the country.

Of course, they do go around arresting everyone who calls for Obama to be killed.

641 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:20:48pm

Cato's favorite imprecatory poem, by the glorious James Stephens, he of the "Crock of Gold"!

A glass of beer

The lanky hank of a she in the inn over there
Nearly killed me for asking the loan of a glass of beer:
May the devil grip the whey-faced slut by the hair,
And beat bad manners out of her skin for a year.

That parboiled imp, with the hardest jaw you will see
On virtue's path, and a voice that would rasp the dead,
Came roaring and raging the minute she looked at me,
Threw me out of the house on the back of my head!

If I asked her master he'd give me a cask a day;
But she, with the beer at hand, not a gill would arrange!
May she marry a ghost and bear him a kitten, and may
The High King of Glory permit her to get the mange.

642 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:20:54pm

re: #621 LGoPs

Like Muslims are trying to reign in their crazies?

For the most part no, and that's why things keep getting worse for them.

643 Bloodnok  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:21:08pm

re: #632 Soona'

These people can say whatever they wish. There's no reigning in anyone. This is America. I have more faith in the sane discernment of the American population than obviously you have.

Since when did sanity come into play when talking about how the other side will score political points off of something like this? Thanos is right.

644 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:21:15pm

re: #623 wrenchwench

It's "rein in," by the way.

/used to ride horses.

Yep

645 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:21:43pm

re: #627 Clemente

There is no reason to to conclude that any meaningful percentage of ACORN's fake registrations are "obvious", is there?

Is there any reason to conclude that anybody with a fake name got to vote in that fake name? Or, are there, like, specific measures in place to prevent that?

646 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:22:09pm
647 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:22:14pm

re: #640 Last Mohican

But if they went around arresting everyone who publicly calls for Bush to be killed, they'd have to arrest half the liberals in the country.

and the problem with that?...?...?

648 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:22:15pm

re: #640 Last Mohican

I actually considered emailing the photo to the Secret Service. But if they went around arresting everyone who publicly calls for Bush to be killed, they'd have to arrest half the liberals in the country.

Of course, they do go around arresting everyone who calls for Obama to be killed.

I've definately noticed that difference.

649 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:23:30pm

re: #646 buzzsawmonkey

I love Dr. John's version of this song.

650 Gus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:23:30pm

In related news former Republican Representative Newt Gingrich announces that America is surrounded by pagans:

I am not a citizen of the world. I am a citizen of the United States because only in the United States does citizenship start with our creator. [...] I think this is one of the most critical moments in American history. We are living in a period where we are surrounded by paganism. And paganism is on offence and that's why our first great challenge is spiritual.

Youtube Video
651 theheat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:23:48pm
Wiley Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., and former running mate of American Independent Party presidential candidate Alan Keyes, said June 2 on Fox News Radio

So... this shithead is probably still a pastor, probably still preaching hate to a congregation of far right crazies, probably still courted by certain politicians of the far right, and of course he'd be on a Fox broadcast.

I don't see any surprises here.

652 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:23:52pm

re: #636 Racer X

Dang.

*looks around room*

No one told me it was my turn to babysit the crazies.

I want pizza, Uncle Racer X! And where's your TV remote? And...

653 Mr. Sandman  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:24:07pm

re: #50 zombie

Sad part? Get with the program! That's the media's main strategy! Been in place for some time -- to marginalize the Right after Obama wins by relentlessly highlighting the worse of the extreme right as the representatives of conservatism. And it's a plan that's working well. Why do you think that Pat Buchanan is always a pundit on TV? Why does Huckabee have his own show? Why is Ron Paul and his followers getting so much press?

Not because the media LIKES these people. The media is promoting them BECAUSE those figures are so wacko-extreme that they discredit the rest of us.

Many many people are falling for this scheme. Unfortunately.

So under your crackpot theory Fox News is part of the left-wing media, and as such is participating in this scheme to try to make the Right look bad by, in their case, giving Huckabee his own show. So the Fox News moguls who plan what shows go on the network gave Huckabee his show with the the thought, "how can we help the Democratic Party"--that was the motivation of Fox News. Come on, give me a break.

In a later post you imply that the "Media" try to promote these other right-wingers to try to make the Right look bad, i.e., kooky and extreme, but "trash" Palin because they are "afraid" of her. But the truth is Palin needs no assistance to "look" bad, as she is on the same level of kookiness as these others, so your theory doesn't hold water in that respect either.

654 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:24:19pm
655 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:24:22pm

re: #640 Last Mohican

I actually considered emailing the photo to the Secret Service. But if they went around arresting everyone who publicly calls for Bush to be killed, they'd have to arrest half the liberals in the country.

Of course, they do go around arresting everyone who calls for Obama to be killed.

Bullshit.

And bullshit.

656 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:24:32pm
657 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:24:42pm

re: #645 ShanghaiEd

Is there any reason to conclude that anybody with a fake name got to vote in that fake name? Or, are there, like, specific measures in place to prevent that?

Just an example, when Bush & Kerry were running eight years ago, Newsweek broke down the voting blocks. One of the blocks was Illegal Aliens. They treated them as a VOTING block!

658 Last Mohican  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:25:22pm

re: #650 Gus 802

Well that was interesting. I believe I'm going to go pencil Newt in on my list of crazy people.

659 JacksonTn  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:25:24pm

There ain't too damn much else I have to say ... Buddy Guy ...

Youtube Video
660 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:25:37pm

It's a Christian plot against atheists - there's nothing but prayer ads showing up in the sidebar here.

/////////

661 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:25:57pm

re: #646 buzzsawmonkey

Just for the month of June:

Makin' Whoopee

That song evokes a very nasty mental image, thanks to Ms. Goldberg (née Caryn Johnson)

662 Racer X  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:26:24pm

re: #640 Last Mohican

I actually considered emailing the photo to the Secret Service. But if they went around arresting everyone who publicly calls for Bush to be killed, they'd have to arrest half the liberals in the country.

Of course, they do go around arresting everyone who calls for Obama to be killed.

Thats because those on the left spout bullshit with no intent of backing it up. Everyone knows they are full of shit.

663 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:26:55pm
664 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:27:01pm

re: #650 Gus 802

In related news former Republican Representative Newt Gingrich announces that America is surrounded by pagans:

[Video]

I'm going to chalk that up to his recent switch to Catholicism and not quite having the appropriate lingo down yet?

665 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:27:14pm

re: #650 Gus 802

In related news former Republican Representative Newt Gingrich announces that America is surrounded by pagans:

[Video]

He's lost his marbles.

Definitively.

666 Gus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:27:37pm

re: #658 Last Mohican

Well that was interesting. I believe I'm going to go pencil Newt in on my list of crazy people.

Ditto on that.

667 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:27:51pm

re: #664 Thanos

I'm going to chalk that up to his recent switch to Catholicism and not quite having the appropriate lingo down yet?

Are you sure? I don't remember reading about that!

668 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:28:08pm

re: #645 ShanghaiEd

Is there any reason to conclude that anybody with a fake name got to vote in that fake name? Or, are there, like, specific measures in place to prevent that?

Actually, the Dept of Justice just blocked Georgia's attempt to do just that. What possible motivation could there be in stopping a state from wanting to see proof that the person voting is who they say they are? Other than to encourage fraud.

669 Kragar  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:28:29pm

Pure Crazy Evil

Autopsy: Newborn's mother died from 'homicidal violence'

Korena Roberts, 28, is charged with murder in Snively's death. She was scheduled to appear in court Monday afternoon.

Medics received a call Friday from Roberts' Washington County, Oregon, home of a newborn in distress, authorities said. When they arrived, they found Roberts' boyfriend trying to revive the baby boy. Roberts told deputies the baby was hers, according to the county sheriff's office.

Roberts and the baby were taken to a hospital after medics noticed a lot of blood at the home, officials said.

"Doctors at the hospital could not revive the baby," said sheriff's Sgt. David Thompson. "They also discovered that Ms. Roberts had not delivered the baby at any time in the recent past."

Deputies returned to the home and found Snively's body in a crawl space beneath the kitchen. Police said she had been pregnant; authorities determined she was the baby's mother.

670 katemaclaren  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:28:47pm

There is a punch line to a joke that goes "Damn, Buddy. I don't believe I would have told that if I were you."

That applies to The Clever Duck (Wiley Drake). What an idiot.

671 Gus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:29:11pm

re: #664 Thanos

I'm going to chalk that up to his recent switch to Catholicism and not quite having the appropriate lingo down yet?

He's a grown man and well versed in American history. I think he has the lingo down.

672 katemaclaren  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:29:41pm

I don't think Newt has lost his marbles--and he's no fool, either.

673 theheat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:29:50pm

re: #650 Gus 802

Geez, Gus, any other cheery news?

I wonder if pagans cheat on their wives as often as good spiritual men like Newt. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

674 brookly red  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:30:39pm

re: #657 opnion

Just an example, when Bush & Kerry were running eight years ago, Newsweek broke down the voting blocks. One of the blocks was Illegal Aliens. They treated them as a VOTING block!

so Newsweek finaly gets one right.

675 Gus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:30:47pm

re: #665 Dianna

He's lost his marbles.

Definitively.

The pagans are coming! The pagans are coming!

//

676 katemaclaren  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:30:49pm

re: #668 LGoPs

Actually, the Dept of Justice just blocked Georgia's attempt to do just that. What possible motivation could there be in stopping a state from wanting to see proof that the person voting is who they say they are? Other than to encourage fraud.

What motivation indeed?

677 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:30:59pm

re: #665 Dianna

He's lost his marbles.

Definitively.

Happened a long time ago.

Delusions of grandeur will do that to you.

Bye-bye, GOP. The only way you can win now is by coup d'état.

678 katemaclaren  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:31:04pm

re: #673 theheat

Geez, Gus, any other cheery news?

I wonder if pagans cheat on their wives as often as good spiritual men like Newt. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

Yes, I'm quite sure they do.

679 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:31:09pm

re: #672 katemaclaren

I don't think Newt has lost his marbles--and he's no fool, either.

I can't agree, after seeing that.

Paganism?!

680 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:31:22pm
681 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:31:27pm

re: #675 Gus 802

The pagans are coming! The pagans are coming!

//

I'm not even breathing hard, yet!

682 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:31:58pm
683 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:32:06pm

re: #643 Bloodnok

Since when did sanity come into play when talking about how the other side will score political points off of something like this? Thanos is right.

I think many in this country are now realizing that they made a gross mistake in this last election. You can quote popularity polls all you want, but after four years of American financial ruination, people will definitely be ready for "change". As far as people with loose tongues are concerned; we've had them on both sides for as long as this country has existed. Considering how uninformed most people seem to be nowdays, this Rev. Drakeism is only a flash in the pan. It will be forgotten in less than a week.

684 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:32:11pm

re: #677 Cato the Elder

Happened a long time ago.

Delusions of grandeur will do that to you.

Bye-bye, GOP. The only way you can win now is by coup d'état.

I'd upding that, but the last sentence is...um, ridiculous.

685 Gus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:32:37pm

re: #673 theheat

Geez, Gus, any other cheery news?

I wonder if pagans cheat on their wives as often as good spiritual men like Newt. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

Some do I'm sure but you know how that works.

//Do as I say not as I do!

686 katemaclaren  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:32:54pm

I don't think it's quit time to do a R.I.P. on the G.O.P. This would require half the country to convert and sip the communion Koolaid.

687 zombie  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:33:29pm

re: #653 Mr. Sandman

So under your crackpot theory Fox News is part of the left-wing media, and as such is participating in this scheme to try to make the Right look bad by, in their case, giving Huckabee his own show. So the Fox News moguls who plan what shows go on the network gave Huckabee his show with the the thought, "how can we help the Democratic Party"--that was the motivation of Fox News. Come on, give me a break.

In a later post you imply that the "Media" try to promote these other right-wingers to try to make the Right look bad, i.e., kooky and extreme, but "trash" Palin because they are "afraid" of her. But the truth is Palin needs no assistance to "look" bad, as she is on the same level of kookiness as these others, so your theory doesn't hold water in that respect either.

Believe what you will.

Yes, I think Fox in all its branches is and has been taken over by left-wingers behind the scenes. All one has to do is closely follow the plots of "24" over the last three seasons to see the change, up until this last season when a Blackwater/Halliburton-type corporation was the main villain, whereas innocent Muslims and lefties were framed by the bad guys, only to be later vindicated -- and then when Jack is on his death bed, he calls in a Muslim imam to confess his sins to. Etc. etc. etc. along down the line.

This is only one anecdotal example, but the only way to gather evidence in a situation like this is to accrue example after example, since obviously no program director or honcho at Fox is going to "confess" live on TV that they've taken a huge left turn ideologically, as an organization.

You may think I'm a crackpot, but I know people in the TV industry and I follow leftist "philosophers" and stuff like this --giving free publicity to the worst aspect of your opponents' camp -- is exactly what they're all about these days.

688 katemaclaren  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:33:32pm

re: #681 Dianna

I'm not even breathing hard, yet!

You don't have to run. They're here.

//

689 Dianna  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:33:39pm

Ack! I've got a train to catch.

Out. Have a good evening!

690 Gus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:34:08pm

re: #681 Dianna

I'm not even breathing hard, yet!

I saw the "pagan" news this morning. After reading the other news I felt a sudden urge to go back to sleep.

691 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:34:27pm

re: #679 Dianna

I can't agree, after seeing that.

Paganism?!

He figured out that Pagans are a bigger percent of the population than us atheists?

692 Soona'  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:34:56pm

re: #650 Gus 802

In related news former Republican Representative Newt Gingrich announces that America is surrounded by pagans:

Youtube Video

So I'll never be able to go to "Burning Man"?

693 theheat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:34:59pm

re: #669 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did you see her photo? Her head looks like a 20 pound block of freakin' cheese, and she bought her eyes from the Crazy Store. The photo screams nuts.

694 jcm  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:35:36pm

re: #652 ShanghaiEd

I want pizza, Uncle Racer X! And where's your TV remote? And...

Psst! I know where he hides the key to the liquor cabinet.

695 katemaclaren  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:35:43pm

re: #687 zombie

Oh dear. I'm speechless. And I don't mean that sarcastically. Since you pointed this out, Zombie, I am going to take a closer look--this sounds very tactically Alinsky-like, too.

696 1SG(ret)  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:35:44pm

re: #582 Thanos

I can write his hometown paper, I can write his church, I can denounce everything he says and does, but I doubt you would be satisfied unless I beat his ass in public. This crazy preacher doesn't represent me no matter how much some would like to make it so. I could have an effect on him if he was my minister, but he's not.

How anyone can control the crazies is beyond me, on either side of the political aisle or other social circles.

697 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:35:47pm

Drive-by post:

Wiley Drake is praying to himself.

He very probably doesn't intend to do "the deed" himself, but the Secret Service is well advised to take note of Drake ... AND those who listen to him.

698 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:36:13pm

re: #593 doppelganglander

Gay pride?

Could be, but I doubt it, given the context of the other bumper stickers usually plastered across the back of the car.

Besides, if they wanted a gay pride sticker, they'd just have one that says. "Gay Pride". There are plenty of those, too.

699 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:36:18pm

re: #668 LGoPs

Actually, the Dept of Justice just blocked Georgia's attempt to do just that. What possible motivation could there be in stopping a state from wanting to see proof that the person voting is who they say they are? Other than to encourage fraud.

The only other motivation I could think of would be to prevent discrimination.

700 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:36:31pm

re: #672 katemaclaren

I don't think Newt has lost his marbles--and he's no fool, either.

NOOOOOOOOO! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
You must denounce Newt! He is now "A WHACKO! and he must wear the orange and blue "W" on his outer garment.

Are you of the "Body"?

701 Gus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:36:32pm

re: #692 Soona'

So I'll never be able to go to "Burning Man"?

No Burning Man for you! //

Although, would probably be good for Newt to go.

702 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:37:17pm

re: #699 ShanghaiEd

The only other motivation I could think of would be to prevent discrimination.

What discrimination? Is the DOJ also going after airlines and merchants who also want to see ID?

703 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:37:32pm

re: #677 Cato the Elder

Delusions of grandeur will do that to you.

Et tu Cato?

704 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:37:59pm

re: #684 Dianna

I'd upding that, but the last sentence is...um, ridiculous.

Maybe. We'll see.

A party where all the crazies get promotions and all the sane people get RINOed doesn't stand much of a chance, unless America's underlying craziness gets as bad as Hunter S. Thompson and H.L. Mencken always thought it might.

In which case, I'm moving to Albania with Medaura and husband. Already made a down-payment on a Hoxha Hotel with a nice view of Kosovo.

705 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:39:12pm
706 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:40:07pm

re: #664 Thanos

I'm going to chalk that up to his recent switch to Catholicism and not quite having the appropriate lingo down yet?

Newt made the switch?

This Pope has no standards.

707 opnion  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:40:08pm

re: #680 buzzsawmonkey

They're just doing a job Americans won't do.

Right & the clear assertion was that illegals vote.

708 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:40:22pm

re: #650 Gus 802

CONTENT// SNIPPET

he states clearly that he's talking about the ACLU's penchant for jumping inot every cause eliminating any mention of 'religion' in America.

When he's talking about our fall into "paganism" he's referring to things that were public taboo just a decade or so ago
Wearing pants so low underwear AND ass cracks are seen
14 year old gilrs dressed as hookers in the mall dry humping their boyfreinds
language on prime time free TV shows that weren't even allowed on pay per view ones 20 years ago

I'm not saying I'm in agreement with him, I just undertsand what his point is

709 theheat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:42:23pm

re: #678 katemaclaren

But I wonder how many pagans were investigating the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal and preaching family values while they were having an affair, themselves. I would think this narrows the field quite a bit.

Just saying.

710 Wendya  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:43:22pm

re: #687 zombie

-- and then when Jack is on his death bed, he calls in a Muslim imam to confess his sins to. Etc. etc. etc. along down the line.

There is big money in pandering. One needs to look no further than the current administration to see that.

711 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:43:46pm

re: #708 sattv4u2

And don't forget the worship of the "Environment" and the sanctification of animals by the likes of PETA.

/What's your sign?

712 katemaclaren  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:44:08pm

re: #709 theheat

But I wonder how many pagans were investigating the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal and preaching family values while they were having an affair, themselves. I would think this narrows the field quite a bit.

Just saying.

Oh, I'm SURE there were many many many--but they probably didn't marry the object of the affair.

713 katemaclaren  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:44:33pm

re: #711 IslandLibertarian

lOL

714 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:44:43pm

re: #711 IslandLibertarian

And don't forget the worship of the "Environment" and the sanctification of animals by the likes of PETA.

/What's your sign?


EXIT! Mom always wanted my name to be in the theatre!

715 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:45:35pm

re: #708 sattv4u2

[...] When he's talking about our fall into "paganism" he's referring to things that were public taboo just a decade or so ago
Wearing pants so low underwear AND ass cracks are seen
14 year old gilrs dressed as hookers in the mall dry humping their boyfreinds
language on prime time free TV shows that weren't even allowed on pay per view ones 20 years ago [...]

A decade ago was 1999. "Or so" would be what, 1994?

You seem to have slept through much of the twentieth century. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing...

I'd rather live with honest pagans than buttoned-down "Christians" who watch snuff films in the rec room. And under "snuff films" I include the Left Behind series.

716 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:45:53pm
717 katemaclaren  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:45:59pm

Well, 'night all. Gotta get to work.

718 theheat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:46:02pm

re: #708 sattv4u2

Wearing pants so low underwear AND ass cracks are seen
14 year old gilrs dressed as hookers in the mall dry humping their boyfreinds
language on prime time free TV shows

Heck, I see that in the malls any more. I went out to lunch the other day, and couple of teens were doing it two booths away from mine! Absolutely sickening.

719 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:46:25pm

re: #709 theheat

But I wonder how many pagans were investigating the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal and preaching family values while they were having an affair, themselves. I would think this narrows the field quite a bit.

Just saying.

I don't know. How many? Perhaps you can provide a link showing the numbers. Or perhaps you're just making a bullshit argument that dismisses anyone that's of an opposing view.
I'll give you one. How 'bout none of us pays taxes because it's becoming obvious that prominent democrats don't pay their taxes - all the while howling about how it's the patriotic thing to do.
Hmmmmmm?

720 katemaclaren  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:47:04pm

re: #715 Cato the Elder

A decade ago was 1999. "Or so" would be what, 1994?

You seem to have slept through much of the twentieth century. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing...

I'd rather live with honest pagans than buttoned-down "Christians" who watch snuff films in the rec room. And under "snuff films" I include the Left Behind series.

that's a quite an argument there. Who wouldn't agree?
But, really, isn't this a serious error in reasoning? In fact, a fallacy?

721 katemaclaren  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:48:12pm

re: #718 theheat

Heck, I see that in the malls any more. I went out to lunch the other day, and couple of teens were doing it two booths away from mine! Absolutely sickening.

But I'll bet they were quick like bunnies. Sex is always an emergency with them.

722 sattv4u2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:48:23pm

re: #715 Cato the Elder

A decade ago was 1999. "Or so" would be what, 1994?

You seem to have slept through much of the twentieth century. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing...

I'd rather live with honest pagans than buttoned-down "Christians" who watch snuff films in the rec room. And under "snuff films" I include the Left Behind series.

I agree, but you must admit that public decency standards have loosened (and not for the better imho) on the past decade, just as it did bewteen 1989 and 1999, and just as it did between 1979 and 1989.

723 theheat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:48:54pm

re: #719 LGoPs

You're onto something there. No argument. The right certainly doesn't have a lock on hypocrisy, though the family values crowd having skeletons in the closet is almost always bankable. Newt bringing up pagans was another classic bite to file away. He has no business opening his mouth on the subject.

724 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:49:02pm

re: #720 katemaclaren

that's a quite an argument there. Who wouldn't agree?
But, really, isn't this a serious error in reasoning? In fact, a fallacy?

.......and "American Beauty" was a factual documentary.

/stereotypical examplescharacters are not facts

725 katemaclaren  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:49:25pm

So. Now, I'm really out of here--whistling while I work--to ward off the scary pagans, and not to mention dodging the Christians who watch snuff films in secret while masturbating. Geez.

726 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:49:29pm

re: #720 katemaclaren

that's a quite an argument there. Who wouldn't agree?
But, really, isn't this a serious error in reasoning? In fact, a fallacy?

You mean, I take it, that I don't have a choice who my fellow countrymen are.

You're right, I don't.

But expressing a preference is still permitted, is it not?

727 Mr. Sandman  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:49:44pm

re: #687 zombie

Well it might make sense for you to adopt as your motto the slogan of a Fox show from the '90's: "The truth is out there."

728 theheat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:50:44pm

re: #721 katemaclaren

No, it was long and embarrassing groping, truly tasteless stuff. I was surprised no one said anything, but they were probably every bit as shocked and disgusted as I.

Can't I just eat my waffle?

/

729 Mr. Sandman  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:50:55pm

re: #727 Mr. Sandman

(and you can even have the theme music from that show play on your site--I actually like that eerie tune)

730 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:50:59pm

re: #668 LGoPs

Actually, the Dept of Justice just blocked Georgia's attempt to do just that. What possible motivation could there be in stopping a state from wanting to see proof that the person voting is who they say they are? Other than to encourage fraud.

Actually, Georgia does require proof of identity when you vote. The recent decision was regarding a system to weed out potential non-citizen voters. It flagged too many non-white individuals and therefore is inherently racist, according to Eric Holder's DOJ.

731 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:51:46pm
732 1SG(ret)  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:52:50pm

re: #728 theheat

I was surprised no one said anything

Did you? Not snark. Just asking.

733 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:53:40pm
734 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:53:48pm

re: #708 sattv4u2

I'm pretty sure he meant actual pagans.

735 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:54:01pm

re: #730 doppelganglander

Actually, Georgia does require proof of identity when you vote. The recent decision was regarding a system to weed out potential non-citizen voters. It flagged too many non-white individuals and therefore is inherently racist, according to Eric Holder's DOJ.

Well Holder's DOJ is wrong and in contravention of its constitutional duty. If the DOJ doesn't uphold the integrity of elections then everything else is a moot point.

736 theheat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:55:18pm

re: #732 1SG(ret)

No, I didn't want to cause an incident. Once my mouth opens there's no holding back. Seriously, I didn't want to be arrested in the middle of my $6.99 lunch special, since I go there often. I was kind of hoping someone else would say something.

737 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:56:17pm
738 Eowyn2  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:56:26pm

re: #565 Dianna

Yay!

Pet peeves! Bring 'em out, folks, and let's display them for each other!

When I have a small piece of steak stuck between my teeth and I'm in a fancy restraunt and there's no toothpicks and I daren't use my fingernails to pick my teeth!

739 1SG(ret)  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:57:43pm

re: #736 theheat

Never stops me from opening my mouth when I see something that's just not right. Haven't been arrested yet. YET mind you, I can see it happening, but I'll still speak up!

740 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:58:50pm

re: #735 LGoPs

Well Holder's DOJ is wrong and in contravention of its constitutional duty. If the DOJ doesn't uphold the integrity of elections then everything else is a moot point.

Yes and no. There apparently were legitimate problems with the system that flagged many citizens, who then had a hell of a time getting their registration straightened out. If the system was any good, it would catch many more non-citizens and very few citizens.

What pisses me off is that 1) it was thrown out on racial grounds, when there was absolutely no racist intent, and 2) why in hell is Georgia still subject to the Voting Rights Act, which requires the state to submit even the tiniest change in voting procedure (e.g. moving a precinct across the street) to DOJ scrutiny?

741 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:59:27pm

re: #738 Eowyn2

When I have a small piece of steak stuck between my teeth and I'm in a fancy restraunt and there's no toothpicks and I daren't use my fingernails to pick my teeth!

When you have a small piece of steak stuck between your teeth and I am sitting across from you in a restaurant and I realize that decorum prevents me from reaching across the table and clawing it out of your face......
//// *just kidding*
:)

742 doppelganglander  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 3:59:47pm

re: #737 Iron Fist

Mohammedans are, by his book, pagans. Actual, real pagans. At least I've always considered them that. That's a damn sight better than they accord me in return. Christians have never tried to charge pagans jizya.

That's messed up. Newt is a very well-educated man, but he missed the class on comparative religion.

743 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:00:21pm
744 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:00:56pm

re: #722 sattv4u2

I agree, but you must admit that public decency standards have loosened (and not for the better imho) on the past decade, just as it did bewteen 1989 and 1999, and just as it did between 1979 and 1989.

You're right, of course.

The kind of lying, self-serving, blatant and blasphemous manipulation that passes for corporate ethics these days makes the old Madison Avenue of my youth look like a paradise of honesty and truth-in-advertising.

In my town there's a trial going on of bankers and mortgage brokers who deliberately sold sub-prime mortgages with balloon payments and interest rates that expanded like umbrellas to people whose credit ratings would have qualified them for the best prime mortgages on the books.

At least a few of these vultures are on trial. The rest of it is being swept under the carpet as "just business".

Oh, but - I'm sorry - you were talking about sexual mores, weren't you? My bad.

(Try not to notice that those ho-rider jeans and the filthy stuff on teevee - Fox springs to mind - are being sold by some of the same people who turn around and spout about "family values" when it's time to get their stooges elected.)

745 theheat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:01:10pm

re: #739 1SG(ret)

Well, before you think I'm a weenie that never speaks their mind, the last time I did in a public place... the cops were called. I can look back on it and sort of laugh now, but it was about six months ago, and I figured it was time to give someone else a chance to be "interviewed" by Johnny Law.

746 ladycatnip  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:01:49pm

#687 zombie

It doesn't sound so far fetched actually. One of the weaknesses of the conservative/Republican side of the political aisle is that they've historically always shot themselves in the foot and been stupid and naive as to the power of the left. We would do well to read The Prince and get wise to political tactics of the left.

For Machiavelli, politics was about one and only one thing: getting and keeping power or authority. Everything else—religion, morality, etc—that people associate with politics has nothing to do with this fundamental aspect of politics—unless being moral helps one get and keep power. The only skill that counts in getting and maintaining power is calculation; the successful politician knows what to do or what to say for every situation.

#695 katemaclaren

Oh dear. I'm speechless. And I don't mean that sarcastically. Since you pointed this out, Zombie, I am going to take a closer look--this sounds very tactically Alinsky-like, too.

Haven't read Alinsky yet, but have heard about his tactics. Now that you mention it, I'll pick up a copy and read it for myself.

747 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:02:24pm

re: #731 Iron Fist

Dude you can always leave. Your dacha is awaiting you in Kosovo, after all...

So you'd prefer I shut up and leave than have my say?

How very First Amendment of you.

748 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:05:55pm

re: #747 Cato the Elder

So you'd prefer I shut up and leave than have my say?

How very First Amendment of you.

Heck. Come on now. You're the one that mentioned leaving back up-thread - # 704.

749 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:06:01pm
750 ladycatnip  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:07:25pm

Diclaimer to my post #746

The Prince can be used by either side of the political aisle, but imo conservatives have never been smart enough to do so. Whenever they did gain power, it was fleeting and they didn't accomplish much (thinking of Newt's Contract with America).

751 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:09:13pm

re: #749 Iron Fist

Your welcome to say whatever you please. Other people are just as allowed to have their say whether or not you particularly like it. It was you who were complaining about the quality of your fellow citizens. Should they just shut up to make you feel more comfortable?

No, I want to hear from everybody. The better to make up my mind.

The signal-to-noise ratio does seem to get lower by the minute, though.

752 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:09:46pm

re: #750 ladycatnip

Diclaimer to my post #746

The Prince can be used by either side of the political aisle, but imo conservatives have never been smart enough to do so. Whenever they did gain power, it was fleeting and they didn't accomplish much (thinking of Newt's Contract with America).

That's because the Democrats act like they're in a knife fight. And the Republicans don't. One side operates out of bad faith, the other doesn't. And they lose.

753 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:10:20pm
754 Mr. Sandman  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:10:46pm

re: #746 ladycatnip

#687 zombie

It doesn't sound so far fetched actually. One of the weaknesses of the conservative/Republican side of the political aisle is that they've historically always shot themselves in the foot and been stupid and naive as to the power of the left. We would do well to read The Prince and get wise to political tactics of the left.

Haven't read Alinsky yet, but have heard about his tactics. Now that you mention it, I'll pick up a copy and read it for myself.

Careful. Three out of four copies of Alinsky's book carry with them microscopic nanobots that will implant a chip in your brain for mind-control purposes.

Oh and yes, we all know that Republicans never get into politics for power, and don't use dirty political tactics to hold onto power. They are motivated by a pure desire to help others--we all know how much compassion they have.

755 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:11:47pm

The number of actual wiccans and pagans in the US is under a half million based on ARIS surveys.

0.16 percent of the country == Surrounded.

[Link: 74.125.155.132...]

756 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:12:28pm

re: #750 ladycatnip

Diclaimer to my post #746

The Prince can be used by either side of the political aisle, but imo conservatives have never been smart enough to do so. Whenever they did gain power, it was fleeting and they didn't accomplish much (thinking of Newt's Contract with America).

LOL. Dick Cheney eats princes and spits out princelings for breakfast.

This whole notion that Republicans are too [nice/innocent/slow/good-natured/fair/naive] to deal with power makes me laugh.

757 theheat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:12:30pm

re: #755 Thanos

Does garlic and silver work on them? I gots to know.

758 theheat  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:14:03pm

re: #756 Cato the Elder

This whole notion that Republicans are too [nice/innocent/slow/good-natured/fair/naive] to deal with power makes me laugh.

You forgot old. Ted Stevens comes to mind.

759 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:14:09pm

I'm going to disagree with the basic tenet here. We've been doing Alinsky style combat for about six years, and we've steadily lost ground. What are all the populist demagogues but Alinsky Republican style? Rush? Coulter? Do they not "personalize" things?

I think we need a direction that America wants to go, and leadership capable of getting us there.

760 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:15:30pm

re: #755 Thanos

The number of actual wiccans and pagans in the US is under a half million based on ARIS surveys.

0.16 percent of the country == Surrounded.

[Link: 74.125.155.132...]

I don't know exactly what he was referring to but I suspect that it was more this definition than yours:
Pagan: one who has little or no religion and who delights in sensual pleasures and material goods: an irreligious or hedonistic person.

761 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:18:05pm

re: #760 LGoPs

I don't know exactly what he was referring to but I suspect that it was more this definition than yours:
Pagan: one who has little or no religion and who delights in sensual pleasures and material goods: an irreligious or hedonistic person.

What about one who has lots and lots of religion and delights in sensual pleasures and material goods? What is that called?

*cough* average American *cough*

And by the way, the notion that Christians are not supposed to delight in the things of this world is heresy.

762 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:18:11pm

re: #760 LGoPs

I don't know exactly what he was referring to but I suspect that it was more this definition than yours:
Pagan: one who has little or no religion and who delights in sensual pleasures and material goods: an irreligious or hedonistic person.

Well he's still way off base if you look at Aris.

/he sounds like fjordman and Brussels journal if he's going the hedonist route

763 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:19:35pm

re: #762 Thanos

Well he's still way off base if you look at Aris.

/he sounds like fjordman and Brussels journal if he's going the hedonist route

What is Aris?

764 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:25:38pm

re: #763 LGoPs

What is Aris?

The survey I linked above, it's the most often quoted and comprehensive survey on religion in America, conducted 2001 though.

765 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:28:14pm
766 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:42:58pm
767 ladycatnip  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:46:54pm

It's so comical that there are posters here who self-righteously accuse the republicans of all manner of corporate ills but are myopic to the corporate greed of the left. Such a double standard - that somehow the wealth of the liberal politicians has been gotten through honest means. What a hoot that is.

768 ladycatnip  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 4:54:02pm

P.S. to #767

My rant was referring to Cheney's association to Haliburton and how that is used as a battering - not any one person's particular post.

The brain has officially been switched to off. Tine to reboot.

;-)

769 Gus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:21:27pm

re: #708 sattv4u2

CONTENT// SNIPPET

he states clearly that he's talking about the ACLU's penchant for jumping inot every cause eliminating any mention of 'religion' in America.

When he's talking about our fall into "paganism" he's referring to things that were public taboo just a decade or so ago
Wearing pants so low underwear AND ass cracks are seen
14 year old gilrs dressed as hookers in the mall dry humping their boyfreinds
language on prime time free TV shows that weren't even allowed on pay per view ones 20 years ago

I'm not saying I'm in agreement with him, I just undertsand what his point is

Was going to respond but got a phone call from the folks.

He speaks specifically about the ACLU as representing paganism and as cause for the moral ills of America. That and there tendency to advocate "the removal of God from America." It then becomes a matter of those action being the cause of a moral decline. I find that difficult acknowledge considering that before the ACLU and the apparent decline in public decency standards we had Jim Crow Laws, lynchings, the inability for women and blacks to vote and other standards that pale in comparison to what we face today.

If we acknowledge the breakdown of moral standards why limit the blame to on group or ideology? As a society all work together to create either good or bad. Gingrich is focusing the blame on so called paganism but there is no doubt it includes atheists, agnostics and secularism. The tendency for individuals or groups is always to "blame the others." Does Wiley Drake's comments as indicated in this article represent a certain group? What about the recent shooting of William Lane by a Muslim convert or the shooting of George Tiller by an apparent Christian?

Are these not signs of a moral breakdown and why then does their associations not become a factor and instead people like Gingrich choose to focus on paganism or as many pundits like to blame, secular humanists or progressives. Once again this is another example of the blame game which fails to see the responsibility that lies within our own selves and our own associations.

As for casting himself as a spokesman for morality I also put that in the context of his extramarital affair with Callista Bisek. I can only wonder if "paganism" played a role.

770 notutopia  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:29:00pm

What happened to the concept of demerits? Infractions result in monetary penalties? Peer review on frequent infractions?
Nice token attempt of an apology, for the Pastor to state that the comments are out of line. Now, what is the recourse to stop this frequent public display from occurring over and over again?

771 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 5:57:20pm

I think the worst thing I've ever prayed for was that someone's karma would catch up to them.

It did, so.... thanks, God!

772 Gella  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:09:26pm

as much as i dont like O, wishing somebody to die is just wrong

773 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:25:58pm
774 Salamantis  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:34:12pm

re: #700 IslandLibertarian

NOOOOOOOOO! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
You must denounce Newt! He is now "A WHACKO! and he must wear the orange and blue "W" on his outer garment.

Are you of the "Body"?

Well, I do know that Newt is about as poor a paragon for family values as one could choose.

When he was a young man attending college, he married his much older college professor. Nothing wrong with that.

But when he himself got older and began teaching at a college, he divorced his much older wife, and married a much younger student of his.

And he had the divorce papers delivered to her in the hospital where she was undergoing treatment for breast cancer.

Morally speaking, the man is pond scum.

775 Salamantis  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 6:40:21pm

re: #737 Iron Fist

Mohammedans are, by his book, pagans. Actual, real pagans. At least I've always considered them that. That's a damn sight better than they accord me in return. Christians have never tried to charge pagans jizya.

Paganisms are polytheistic. Islam is, like Judaism and Christianity (which it shamelessly ripped off), monotheistic.

776 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:04:59pm

re: #737 Iron Fist

Mohammedans are, by his book, pagans. Actual, real pagans. At least I've always considered them that. That's a damn sight better than they accord me in return. Christians have never tried to charge pagans jizya.

I'm guessing a course in comparative religion or religious history would be an eye-opener for you.

777 Gus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:13:50pm

re: #773 tradewind

Disclaimer: wishing/acting on/soliciting ________(fill in with verb of choice) the death of another human is wrong. Killing Dr Tiller was heinous and inexcusable. However, since he is being practically posthumously canonized in sectors of the MSM...
I do wish the news media would report that the former head of Johns Hopkins'
department of psychiatry(n.b.... not a divinity prof) has stated that Tiller's late term abortions were often done for the thinnest and most frivolous of reasons....and violated the spirit if not the letter, of the law...
[Link: www.cashill.com...]

[Video]

Understood on the disclaimer.

A little background on Dr. Paul McHugh. He wrote a piece which I found referenced at the Discovery Institute, Teaching Darwin Why we're still fighting about biology textbook. Here's an excerpt which is a summary of his piece:

Evolutionary biology awaits its Newton. And until such a thinker emerges--to provide a fuller conception of the history of life and especially the forces at play that explain how things happened as they did--those who would expel all challenges to the Darwinian narrative from the high school classroom are false to their mission of teaching the scientific method.

In other words, "teach the controversy." A psychiatrist delving into evolutionary science is not unlike a dentist undertaking the same task who goes by the name of Don McLeroy. I take his assessment on Tiller's records to be based on cursory evidence and perhaps tinged with bias.

McHugh's Teaching Darwin Why we're still fighting about biology textbook is mentioned in:

In the UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
for the ELEVENTH CIRCUIT

COBB COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT, COBB COUNTY BOARD OF EDUCATION, JOSEPH REDDEN, SUPERINTENDENT,
Appellants,
v.
JEFFREY MICHAEL SELMAN, DEBRA ANN POWER, KATHLEEN CHAPMAN, JEFF SILVER, PAUL MASON, and TERRY JACKSON,

On Appeal from the United States District Court
for the Northern District of Georgia
Atlanta Division
BRIEF OF THE STATES OF ALABAMA AND TEXAS AS AMICI CURIAE IN SUPPORT OF APPELLANTS

From Page 20:

Today, as a distinguished professor of psychiatry and behavioral science at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine recently pointed out (commenting on this case), “any questioning of the Darwinian narrative, no matter how sympathetic, is shouted down.” Paul McHugh, Teaching Darwin: Why We’re Still Fighting About Biology Textbooks, The Weekly Standard p. 25 (Mar. 28, 2005). But, as he quite rightly says, “both legal mandates – no Darwin yesterday, nothing but Darwin today – look less like science than exercises in thought control.” Id. At 23.

778 Gus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:14:08pm

#777 (Cont.)

Also mentioned at Panda's Thumb.

The conservative magazine The Weekly Standard, apparently not wanting to allow Commentary to have all the fun, has waded into the anti-evolution biz by publishing this miserable article by Paul McHugh. It is the usual melange of literary arrogance coupled with scientific ignorance. It does, however, provide a useful opportunity to review the various litmus tests you can apply to distinguish between serious commentators on the one hand, and dishonest hacks on the other.

Make a reference to thought control.
Bring up Inherit the Wind.
Imply that evolution is about ideology and not science.
Pretend that evolution has made no progress since Darwin.
Use quotations from scientists misleadingly and without indicating their source.
Bring up Piltdown Man.
Use the term “Darwinian fundamentalist..."

779 Salamantis  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:15:44pm

re: #773 tradewind

Disclaimer: wishing/acting on/soliciting ________(fill in with verb of choice) the death of another human is wrong. Killing Dr Tiller was heinous and inexcusable. However, since he is being practically posthumously canonized in sectors of the MSM...
I do wish the news media would report that the former head of Johns Hopkins'
department of psychiatry(n.b.... not a divinity prof) has stated that Tiller's late term abortions were often done for the thinnest and most frivolous of reasons....and violated the spirit if not the letter, of the law...
[Link: www.cashill.com...]

Youtube Video

Excuse me if I question the objectivity of Mr. Cashill on this issue. He is, after all, a committed antiabortionist propagandist who has published articles such as:

"Good Kansans" enable abortionist Tiller to stay in business
[Link: www.cashill.com...]

and

The Man Behind the Curtain: How the Abortion Industry Has Come to Control Kansas (prepared in cooperation with Kansans for Life)
[Link: www.cashill.com...]

Tiller Abortion Racket Withers in the Light
[Link: www.cashill.com...]

and

How Sebelius subverted the Tiller Abortion Trial
[Link: www.cashill.com...]

He is also a creationist, as abundantly demonstrated by these articles of his:

Intelligent Design Suppression Scandal Rocks Smithsonian
[Link: www.cashill.com...]

and

Why Kansas Catholics opposed the teaching of evolution
[Link: www.cashill.com...]

780 Gus  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 7:27:27pm

re: #779 Salamantis

Now I remember that cretin, Jack Cashill. Sure enough he has this on his front page:

Sebelius Must Share Blame For Tiller Murder

On Sunday morning, regrettably, a kind of crude frontier justice caught up with late abortionist George Tiller. He was shot and killed in the foyer of his Wichita church.

For the left, Scott Roeder, the accused killer, had alchemized the unholy dross of a corrupt late term abortionist into martyr’s gold...

The jurors, to be sure, did not learn any of this. A Tiller conviction would not have looked good on the record of our new Secretary of Health and Human Services.

As John F. Kennedy once said, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”

In the Tiller case, Sebelius was chief among the “those.”

781 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 8, 2009 8:35:26pm

On top of that Kline and McHugh are both damned lucky they aren't in jail for sharing confidential patient records around outside the demands of court.


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