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The latest outbreak of bad craziness involves three mayors and five rabbis, in a huge corruption and money laundering ring: Mayors of Hoboken, Secaucus, Five Rabbis Arrested.

July 23 (Bloomberg) — The mayors of Hoboken, Ridgefield and Secaucus, New Jersey, and five rabbis were among 44 people charged by the U.S. with public corruption and money laundering.

Hoboken Mayor Peter Cammarano, 32, Secaucus Mayor Dennis Elwell, 64, and Ridgefield Mayor Anthony Suarez, 42, all Democrats; Jersey City Council President Mariano Vega Jr., 59; State Assemblyman Daniel Van Pelt, 44, a Republican from Ocean Township; and Assemblyman L. Harvey Smith, a Jersey City Democrat, were charged today in an FBI complaint. All except Smith appeared in U.S. court in Newark, New Jersey.

The corruption probe, based in Hudson County, netted many public officials accused of pledging assistance for bribes. A cooperating witness in that probe also infiltrated a “pre- existing money laundering network” that moved “at least tens of millions of dollars through charitable, non-profit entities controlled by rabbis in New York and New Jersey,” according to a release by acting U.S. Attorney Ralph Marra.

“The fact that we arrested a number of rabbis this morning does not make this a religiously motivated investigation,” Weysan Dun, special agent in charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s office in Newark, said at a news conference. “It is not a politically motivated investigation. It is about crime, corruption, arrogance and a shocking betrayal of public trust.”

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321 comments
1 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:39:08pm

Since when is public corruption and money laundering illegal in New Jersey?

2 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:39:15pm

Joisey?...no way

3 MJ  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:39:28pm

One of the Rabbis is 87. As my late mother would have said, aren't you a little old for this kind of thing?

4 freetoken  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:40:13pm

I fear the unintended consequences of this mess.

5 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:40:35pm

there's gotta be a junkyard or landfill involved...maybe a scrap metal operation

6 Ziggy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:41:31pm

What a shanda!

7 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:42:03pm

"not a religiously motivated operation"...hahaha!...chew on that one

8 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:42:56pm

The talk here is "tens of millions"...

9 jaunte  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:43:41pm

When a story starts with "the Mayors of Hoboken and Secaucus" it sounds like it's going to be a Marx brothers joke.

10 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:44:23pm

The new threads are so much easier to post in! Oh, and the politicians are probably douche bags.

11 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:44:54pm

re: #4 freetoken

I fear the unintended consequences of this mess.

As do I. But some good may come of this: New Jersey has a gubernatorial election in November. Hopefully this slimes Corzine and the Dems and enables the GOP to make inroads in the state. The addition of Northern, more moderate, officials into our party would give leverage against our crazies.

12 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:45:34pm

re: #9 jaunte

When a story starts with "the Mayors of Hoboken and Secaucus" it sounds like it's going to be a Marx brothers joke.

I once knew a girl from ole' Kentuck'...

13 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:46:29pm

re: #10 VegasRick

The new threads are so much easier to post in! Oh, and the politicians are probably douche bags.

They're New Jersey Dems. Their being douchbags goes without saying.

14 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:46:44pm

New Jersey, or more commonly known as Illinois East.

15 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:46:55pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

They're New Jersey Dems. Their being douchbags goes without saying.

Doh'

16 freetoken  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:47:02pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

The addition of Northern, more moderate, officials into our party would give leverage against our crazies.

You mean you want RINOs in the GOP? You, sir, are no True Conservative™.

17 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:47:14pm

new jersey is called the garden state. (really)

18 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:48:24pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

As do I. But some good may come of this: New Jersey has a gubernatorial election in November. Hopefully this slimes Corzine and the Dems and enables the GOP to make inroads in the state. The addition of Northern, more moderate, officials into our party would give leverage against our crazies.

We have been a besieged minority for so long that any change from (D) to (R) in NJ or NY would be a great breath of fresh air. But in all things political, you need the legislature. Without which the best intentioned governor is hapless.

19 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:48:47pm

re: #17 nyc redneck

new jersey is called the garden state. (really)

And parts of it are truly beautiful.
Best blueberries I ever ate came from a farm in South Jersey.

20 solomonpanting  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:48:58pm

Now appearing at local police stations.

Jersey Goys

21 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:49:26pm

re: #12 VegasRick

I once knew a girl from ole' Kentuck'...

She couldn't cook but she sure could...Sing!

22 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:49:35pm

Noticed this paragraph near the bottom...

“Any corruption is unacceptable -- anywhere, anytime, by anybody,” New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine, a Democrat seeking re-election against Republican Christopher Christie, the former U.S. attorney in New Jersey, said in a statement. "

Yup, Mr. Corzine, November is right around the corner.

The article also said they were involved in the black market organ trade. Eeeesh. Well, maybe Jimmy Hoffa will show up.

23 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:49:38pm

re: #19 Truck Monkey

And parts of it are truly beautiful.
Best blueberries I ever ate came from a farm in South Jersey.

TM ... many many blueberries are cropped commercially from Jersey ... they do in fact have great blueberry farms ...

24 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:49:54pm

re: #20 solomonpanting

Now appearing at local police stations.

Jersey Goys

LOL!

25 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:51:32pm

re: #19 Truck Monkey

And parts of it are truly beautiful.
Best blueberries I ever ate came from a farm in South Jersey.

they are the hardworking people whose taxes support these corrupt bastards.

26 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:51:53pm

re: #22 Pianobuff

Noticed this paragraph near the bottom...

“Any corruption is unacceptable -- anywhere, anytime, by anybody,” New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine, a Democrat seeking re-election against Republican Christopher Christie, the former U.S. attorney in New Jersey, said in a statement. "

Yup, Mr. Corzine, November is right around the corner.

The article also said they were involved in the black market organ trade. Eeeesh. Well, maybe Jimmy Hoffa will show up.

I'd give an arm and a leg to see them all go to jail! Oh, WAIT!

27 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:52:04pm

as I noted earlier, what the heck is in the water in Jersey?

28 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:52:38pm

Watched the report this morning on FOX news, (wasn't sure it was true 'cause Fox is such a lying bunch of wackos)...my girlfriend was shocked. All she could say was Labbis? Realry? Labbis?

29 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:52:40pm

re: #17 nyc redneck

new jersey is called the garden state. (really)

Outside the industrial belt from Secaucus to the Outer Bridge Crossing, and cities such as Trenton, Patterson et al... New Jersey is the Garden State. It has a perfect climate for gardening and many communities take great pride in their landscaping.

New Jersey is one of the most beautiful places I have ever seen.

30 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:53:28pm

The one Republican must be the ring leader. Probably entrapped the Dems. /

31 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:53:31pm

If five imams were arrested, would that be in the articles headline?

32 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:53:31pm

re: #29 experiencedtraveller

Outside the industrial belt from Secaucus to the Outer Bridge Crossing, and cities such as Trenton, Patterson et al... New Jersey is the Garden State. It has a perfect climate for gardening and many communities take great pride in their landscaping.

New Jersey is one of the most beautiful places I have ever seen.

i notice this when i drive thru there.

33 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:53:40pm

'

34 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:53:44pm

re: #28 IslandLibertarian

Watched the report this morning on FOX news, (wasn't sure it was true 'cause Fox is such a lying bunch of wackos)...my girlfriend was shocked. All she could say was Labbis? Realry? Labbis?

You're dating lil' Kim?
/

35 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:54:01pm

re: #31 MandyManners

You mean Youths? Or Asian Men?

36 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:54:01pm

re: #29 experiencedtraveller

Outside the industrial belt from Secaucus to the Outer Bridge Crossing, and cities such as Trenton, Patterson et al... New Jersey is the Garden State. It has a perfect climate for gardening and many communities take great pride in their landscaping.

New Jersey is one of the most beautiful places I have ever seen.

Grew up in Morris County way back when. Gorgeous autumns and great roadside produce stands. The horseflies and mosquitoes suck big time though.

37 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:54:33pm

re: #17 nyc redneck

new jersey is called the garden state. (really)

where they plant you when it's over

38 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:55:03pm

re: #34 VegasRick

You're dating lil' Kim?
/

She hates Lil Kim...wants to see him dead.
(As most Japanese do.)

39 jaunte  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:55:06pm

re: #31 MandyManners

If five imams were arrested, would that be in the articles headline?

What's the upper limit to describe someone as a "youth?"

40 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:55:31pm

re: #31 MandyManners

If five imams were arrested, would that be in the articles headline?

To keep my reply short. NO

41 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:55:43pm

re: #31 MandyManners

If five imams were arrested, would that be in the articles headline?

Good point. My guess is we would be screaming about it actually.

42 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:56:01pm

re: #36 Pianobuff

The horseflies and mosquitoes suck big time though.

Especially this year with all the rain... Great for the grass and the reservoirs but the mosquitoes are bad now.

43 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:56:50pm

re: #37 albusteve

where they plant you when it's over

LOL, maybe but also the jersey farmers bring beautiful produce to the farmer's
markets in nyc.

44 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:56:56pm

New Jersey Pine Barrens.

The Pine Barrens, also known as the Pinelands, is a heavily forested area covering 1.1 million acres (4,500 km²) of coastal plain across southern New Jersey. The name "pine barrens" refers to the area's sandy, acidic, nutrient-poor soil, to which the crops originally imported by European settlers didn't take well. However, these uncommon conditions enable the Pine Barrens to support a unique and diverse spectrum of plant life, including orchids and carnivorous plants. The area is also notable for its populations of rare pygmy Pitch Pines and other plant species that depend on fire to reproduce (fire is very frequent in the Pine Barrens). The sand that composes much of the area's soil is referred to by the locals as sugar sand.

Despite its proximity to the metropolitan areas of Philadelphia and New York City, and the fact that the Garden State Parkway and Atlantic City Expressway run directly through it, the Pine Barrens remains largely rural and undeveloped.

45 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:57:28pm

re: #16 freetoken

You mean you want RINOs in the GOP? You, sir, are no True Conservative™.

I am a conservative, but most people who live in my home state of Illinois are not and the same is true of New Jersey. To win in those states, we'll need people who are moderate when needs be on social issues (but will take firm stands when shoved by the left), but who will fight fiercely to reform those state's out of control governments. If that means being accused of supporting RINOs, so be it. Someone who is entirely conservative is unelectable in New Jersey right now, so we'll have to not let the perfect become the enemy of the possible.

46 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:58:01pm

re: #43 nyc redneck

LOL, maybe but also the jersey farmers bring beautiful produce to the farmer's
markets in nyc.

not enough...toss em into the Atlantic and be done with it...and take the Boss with ya!

47 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:58:03pm

re: #42 experiencedtraveller

Especially this year with all the rain... Great for the grass and the reservoirs but the mosquitoes are bad now.

I can only imagine. The horseflies drove me madder though. Those things could raise huge welts that hurt as well as itch. As I kid, I did a lot of local waterhole swimming and fishing and got my share.

48 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:58:08pm

29?

49 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:58:53pm

re: #43 nyc redneck

LOL, maybe but also the jersey farmers bring beautiful produce to the farmer's
markets in nyc.

Nyrn ... I grow a blueberry plant named "Jersey" ... it is one of the best producers ... I don't think many people associate New Jersey with produce ...

50 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:59:37pm

re: #38 IslandLibertarian

She hates Lil Kim...wants to see him dead.
(As most Japanese do.)

My wife is Thai. She speaks the same way.

51 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:59:51pm

re: #29 experiencedtraveller

Outside the industrial belt from Secaucus to the Outer Bridge Crossing, and cities such as Trenton, Patterson et al... New Jersey is the Garden State. It has a perfect climate for gardening and many communities take great pride in their landscaping.

New Jersey is one of the most beautiful places I have ever seen.

I cannot believe you said that, but okay

52 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:00:16pm

re: #48 pink freud

29?

???

53 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:00:41pm

And 5,4,3,2,1 untill everyone who hates Jews is busy crowing over this.

Rabbis. Damn IT!@

54 solomonpanting  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:00:46pm

re: #50 VegasRick

My wife is Thai. She speaks the same way.

So she's tongue Thai-ed?

55 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:00:57pm

re: #52 Erik The Red

???

30

56 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:01:07pm

re: #52 Erik The Red

???

Charles bid adieu to another on Spy. I was questioning the day's updated count.

57 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:01:40pm

re: #55 Pianobuff

30

OMG 30 and counting?

58 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:01:41pm

re: #54 solomonpanting

So she's tongue Thai-ed?

In two languages!
/

59 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:02:43pm

re: #57 Erik The Red

OMG 30 and counting?

No - I actually was clueless about what the number reference was but I figured, hey, I'll give it a shot too.

60 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:04:33pm

See you all later

61 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:05:10pm

There's probably one lone Republican rabbi who's a ring leader, too. /

62 J.S.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:05:22pm

re: #53 LudwigVanQuixote

i wonder when we'll get the Stormfront update, along with the CBC, BBC, MSNBC, etc. crowings..(I'm not bothering with any of them...although i can just imagine their public "comments"...wonder if the Canadian HRC will be involved...that is, they'll chime-in with their ne0-Nazi postings at government taxpayers expense...)

63 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:05:29pm
The fact that we arrested a number of rabbis this morning does not make this a religiously motivated investigation,”

And nobody will say that it is.

/compare and contrast that with the Gates incident

64 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:05:30pm

re: #60 VegasRick

See you all later

Later Vegas.

65 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:05:52pm
66 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:06:55pm

re: #31 MandyManners

If five imams were arrested, would that be in the articles headline?

Only if the theme of the story was anti-Muslim bigotry.

67 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:07:58pm

oy vay

68 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:08:25pm

re: #51 albusteve

I cannot believe you said that, but okay

When I travel throughout the third world I have a very simple test to determine the affluence of a neighborhood.

I observe the landscaping.

Any community that has the time, pride and resources to landscape their property assures a certain prosperity and security.

New Jersey has hundreds of square miles of landscapes towns. Its a wonderful thing.

Regards.

69 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:09:02pm

2 mayors and 5 rabbis walk into a bar...

70 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:09:41pm

The Pine Barrens, by John McPhee

Twenty-five customer reviews on Amazon. Twenty-three are five star.

71 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:09:52pm

and so it begins...the Afghanis are gonna get hosed just like our guys

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

72 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:10:28pm

re: #31 MandyManners

If five imams were arrested, would that be in the articles headline?

The article headline would be CAIR screaming about "Islamophobia" and "innocent Muslims are terrified of backlash"

73 Bacchus's daddy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:11:00pm

re: #70 HelloDare

The Pine Barrens, by John McPhee

Twenty-five customer reviews on Amazon. Twenty-three are five star.

That sounds interesting. I read one John McPhee book several years ago and enjoyed it quite a bit, might have to check this one out.

74 ted  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:13:27pm

Tony Soprano is gone less than a year and the Reb's start taking advantage...

Farschemn

75 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:13:31pm

re: #70 HelloDare

The Pine Barrens, by John McPhee

Twenty-five customer reviews on Amazon. Twenty-three are five star.

How about this: Upon conviction, corrupt New Jersey pols are taken down to the Pine Barrens where a pine cone from said barrens is shoved up where the sun don't shine?

/kidding

76 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:13:58pm

re: #73 Bacchus's daddy

Forgotten Towns of New Jersey is interesting too. Ever hear of Ong's Hat?

77 MJ  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:14:12pm

This means War:

North Korea called the Secretary of State a "funny lady" who "looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

78 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:14:18pm

re: #71 albusteve

Don't believe anything you get from Fox news. At this point they're only slightly more reliable than WND.

79 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:14:33pm

Hoboken has not changed much in the 40 years since I went to Stevens there.

80 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:15:31pm

albusteve ... this is for you ... hahahahaha ...

My Starter Won't Start This Morning ... Lightnin Hopkins ...

Youtube Video
81 ted  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:17:01pm

Prepare for riots in the Jewish community in 5...4...3...2...1...

82 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:17:18pm

re: #71 albusteve

and so it begins...the Afghanis are gonna get hosed just like our guys

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Here's another report...

/effin' zero...

83 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:18:14pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Don't believe anything you get from Fox news. At this point they're only slightly more reliable than WND.

I can see why some Lizards get worked up over you KT. Fox is no worse than any of the other MFM channels. Your all inclusive comments get a lot of us pissed off.

84 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:18:56pm

New Jersey and Corruption: Perfect Together. Again.

Oh, and the most bizarre charge in all of this is the one against Rosenbaum, who is charged with organ trading - he allegedly bought a kidney for $10,000 and turned around and sold it for $160,000.

Also, keep this bit in mind:

“The fact that we arrested a number of rabbis this morning does not make this a religiously motivated investigation,” Weysan Dun, special agent in charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s office in Newark, said at a news conference. “It is not a politically motivated investigation. It is about crime, corruption, arrogance and a shocking betrayal of public trust.”

in relation to any ongoing investigations into the mosques on Long Island re: the Vinas terror case.

85 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:19:19pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Don't believe anything you get from Fox news. At this point they're only slightly more reliable than WND.

Isn't that a rather broad brush you're painting with?

86 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:19:22pm

Three mayors and five rabbis walk into a bar ...

/

87 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:19:23pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Don't believe anything you get from Fox news. At this point they're only slightly more reliable than WND.

I am very skeptical of our motives there and I'm getting a bit pissy about it...you are right with regard to Fox...I'm just jumpy with the whole deal and need to chill out and see how it unfolds...people are dying over there

88 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:20:26pm

re: #85 Pianobuff

Isn't that a rather broad brush you're painting with?

No, they lie about the weather and steal your precious bodily fluids.

/

89 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:20:38pm

If it's New Jersey politics of which we're speaking, my only comment is: get all of your shots first! ;-)

90 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:20:43pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Don't believe anything you get from Fox news. At this point they're only slightly more reliable than WND.

Cool, I know I can't possibly separate the bullshit from actual facts for myself.

91 ted  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:21:07pm

re: #83 Erik The Red

I can see why some Lizards get worked up over you KT. Fox is no worse than any of the other MFM channels. Your all inclusive comments get a lot of us pissed off.

Speak for yourself E-the-R...

92 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:21:16pm

re: #83 Erik The Red

I can see why some Lizards get worked up over you KT. Fox is no worse than any of the other MFM channels. Your all inclusive comments get a lot of us pissed off.

he's right on this one

93 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:21:19pm

re: #69 Shug

This is why I should never come late to a thread!

94 MJ  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:21:49pm

Flying Pig moment:

UN accuses Hezbollah of violating 2006 Lebanon cease-fire

For the first time ever, the United Nations on Thursday accused Hezbollah of violating the UN-brokered cease-fire that ended the 2006 Second Lebanon war, fought between Israel and the Shi'ite militant organization. ..

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

95 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:21:52pm
96 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:22:20pm

Crooked rabbis? What is the world coming to? /

97 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:22:20pm

re: #80 JacksonTn

saw him fortunately...low and slow this one...thanks for that

98 tradewind  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:22:25pm

Okay, the rabbis arrest is an example of bad craziness. But the mayors?
It's Joisey. They're Pols. Situation normal.
Now if they found some evidence of NJ politics in which corruption was not a factor... that's some news.

99 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:22:58pm

re: #93 OldLineTexan

This is why I should never come late to a thread!

GMTA

100 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:23:10pm

re: #92 albusteve

he's right on this one

Who's lying, Fox or the AP?

101 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:23:21pm

re: #97 albusteve

saw him fortunately...low and slow this one...thanks for that

albusteve ... You saw him! ... I love him ... I love all the old guys ... they were the originals ... I am jealous ...

102 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:23:24pm
103 MJ  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:23:37pm

re: #96 quickjustice

Crooked rabbis? What is the world coming to? /

I see you've contributed to a "building fund".

104 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:24:10pm

re: #95 buzzsawmonkey

"Always buy low and sell high."

"This one has stones ... I want a discount."

/

105 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:24:13pm

re: #91 ted

Speak for yourself E-the-R...

I was.

106 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:24:14pm

I feel much more confident in getting my news from MSNBC ABC CNS and NBC

///

[Link: www.mrc.org...]

107 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:25:12pm

re: #91 ted

Speak for yourself E-the-R...

ted ... he said "some" ... not all ...

108 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:25:25pm

re: #103 MJ

The rabbi who showed up at my uncle's funeral in NYC and demanded a $1,000 fee for a five minute graveside service comes to mind.

109 tradewind  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:25:34pm

re: #44 HelloDare

Can't hear the phrase ' Pine Barrens' without seeing Tony Soprano and the gang...

110 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:25:35pm

re: #95 buzzsawmonkey

"Always buy low and sell high."

Its a 1500% profit margin.

111 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:25:40pm

Brother's Text Message:

"Wow, Obama's a fucking disaster man. I can't believe all the shit this clown is saying."

Stating the obvious, but true nonetheless.

112 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:25:46pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Naw... feed 'em to the Jersey Devil in the Pine Barrens... that'll learn 'em.

re: #13 Dark_Falcon
Two of the many politicians arrested today were actually GOPers, but you wouldn't know it from much of the coverage. If you followed the progression from this morning, you'd see that they initially only identified Van Pelt as a GOPer, ignoring the party affiliation for everyone else - even though it was overwhelming Democrat (mayors of Hoboken, Secaucus, multiple Jersey City officials, etc.)

113 Gretchen  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:25:52pm

With Obama care there will be no more selling of organs by corrupt mayors and clergy. This is bad health policy. All transactions will be conducted using government sold organ credits. Al Gore is setting up a company to sell them as we speak. This way, like cap and trade all corruption is centralized at the federal level.

114 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:26:03pm

re: #100 OldLineTexan

Who's lying, Fox or the AP?

does it matter?...regardless of the post I put up, Fox is MSM

115 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:26:09pm

re: #71 albusteve

and so it begins...the Afghanis are gonna get hosed just like our guys

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

What the fuck is wrong with this man?

116 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:26:34pm

re: #72 Alouette

The article headline would be CAIR screaming about "Islamophobia" and "innocent Muslims are terrified of backlash"

Oh, you know it.

117 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:26:44pm

re: #90 SasquatchOnSteroids

Cool, I know I can't possibly separate the bullshit from actual facts for myself.

hey , no need for any news sources if you post here...we're all the smartest most well informed of anyone even if we don't watch the news or own TVs cause we get all the straight scoop here cause there's no need to listen to anyone else cause we're the bestess ever anywhere...

/smug too...

118 J.S.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:26:50pm

re: #100 OldLineTexan

Hey, c'mon, we all know who the only reliable sources for "news" are -- that would be -- well, see my post above to find out...

119 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:27:05pm

re: #110 experiencedtraveller

Its a 1500% profit margin.

I gotta lotta overhead, what with the ice, the coolers, and shipping the donors to Tijuana to wake up in bathtubs ... OK, $140,000, but yer breakin' my balls on this.

/

120 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:27:13pm

re: #29 experiencedtraveller

The area around Princeton is quite pretty, as are parts of the Jersey shore towards the south.

121 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:27:46pm
122 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:28:18pm

re: #114 albusteve

does it matter?...regardless of the post I put up, Fox is MSM

Yeah, in the context of the discussion, it does. Was Obama misquoted? Hell, I kind of agreed with him. Who has ever "won" in Afghanistan?

123 tradewind  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:28:35pm

re: #77 MJ

And just how would Lil' Kim know wtf a ' lady going shopping ' would look like?
Shopping is not something a nork female knows.
Maybe if he had said ' scavenging'.

124 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:28:37pm

re: #101 JacksonTn

albusteve ... You saw him! ... I love him ... I love all the old guys ... they were the originals ... I am jealous ...

don't be...he was with Muddy Waters and John Lee Hooker at the time...I saw them several time but Hopkins just that once...you were probably working or doing something productive

125 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:28:41pm

re: #115 MandyManners

"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

What the fuck is wrong with this man?

He doesn't like the idea of America winning. He thinks we should always compromise and concede, since the trouble is 'our fault'. Bastard.

126 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:06pm

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

My G-d, he actually said that.

I'd say "what a tool," but I respect Stanley Tools.

Wonder what his poll numbers will do in Japan after that one.

127 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:06pm

re: #118 J.S.

Hey, c'mon, we all know who the only reliable sources for "news" are -- that would be -- well, see my post above to find out...

It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ting(le).

/

128 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:09pm

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

My G-d, he actually said that.

I'd say "what a tool," but I respect Stanley Tools.

I'm beginning to become even more convinced that he hates good and right, freedom and liberty.

129 jaunte  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:11pm

re: #115 MandyManners

The word "notion" is complaining of overwork, and wants a raise.

130 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:15pm
131 tradewind  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:46pm

re: #115 MandyManners

He took the wrong color pill this morning. Swallowed the little blue one instead of the red.

132 Gearhead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:53pm

re: #98 tradewind

S ituation
N ormal
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133 J.S.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:30:01pm

re: #122 OldLineTexan

Well, then, what should NATO troops be aiming for DEFEAT? Yeah, that's a real motivator.

134 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:30:07pm

re: #115 MandyManners

"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

What the fuck is wrong with this man?

What...the...FUCK.

135 Capitalist Tool  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:30:17pm

re: #22 Pianobuff

...The article also said they were involved in the black market organ trade. Eeeesh. Well, maybe Jimmy Hoffa will show up.

Yep, there is such a thing. There's even a very brisk "legitimate" organ trade.
All you full fledged green lizards and you grey and camo ones, too- if you find yourself in one of those medical situations where it could go either way and you've got the organ donor checked on your driver's license... it ain't gonna go your way.
Just a head's up..

136 Daria Emmons  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:30:32pm

I always get sad when I see a Jew doing a bad thing. (as a Jew)

I read the rabbis were Syrian and Hasidic. I hate to say it, but I am not surprised. The Syrian Jewish and Hasidic worlds are extremely insular and self-enclosed. It can breed problems. :(

137 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:30:47pm

re: #115 MandyManners

The Japanese Empire signed the terms of surrender on the U.S.S. Missouri. Hirohito was not present, IIRC.

Can President Obama restrain himself enough to tell the truth about something?

138 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:30:48pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

He doesn't like the idea of America winning. He thinks we should always compromise and concede, since the trouble is 'our fault'. Bastard.

I've never known anyone to say that victory is wrong...unlesss they're rooting for the other side.

139 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:30:48pm

re: #92 albusteve

he's right on this one

44 is right. We can not win this war. But he said that Afghanistan is more important than Iraq. What does he plan to do? Cut and run when the heat gets to hot and we lose more soldiers over there than we did in Iraq. He is changing the goal posts once again. He said things during his campaign that he had no clue about. Now he is just trying to cover his ass.

140 J.S.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:31:04pm

re: #134 TheMatrix31

The Associated Press -- "Obama: 'Victory' not right word for Afghanistan".

141 MJ  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:31:32pm

re: #108 quickjustice

The rabbi who showed up at my uncle's funeral in NYC and demanded a $1,000 fee for a five minute graveside service comes to mind.

Obscene. That's waaay out of line.

142 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:31:43pm

re: #115 MandyManners

Just when I think I can't be shocked by what comes out of the mouth of POTUS, I discover I am wrong.

Just wow.

143 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:31:50pm

re: #115 MandyManners

well that's just it...it sounds flimsy and non committal imo...I'm worried for those guys over there...it's a totally different fight than Iraq and I wonder what 'victory' means

144 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:31:52pm

re: #124 albusteve

don't be...he was with Muddy Waters and John Lee Hooker at the time...I saw them several time but Hopkins just that once...you were probably working or doing something productive

albusteve ... I may have been working but I always found time for good music ... you forget where I come from ... I had an uncle who was a musician and when I was a young kid he use to take me down to what was Storyville area in New Orleans and he knew all the old black guys who played down there way back ... some in the old "houses" they had some real stories to tell ... I have seen Hooker many times ... I love them all ...

145 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:32:12pm

re: #120 quickjustice

The area around Princeton is quite pretty, as are parts of the Jersey shore towards the south.

Morris County is nice, Bergen County is very nice... and the Highlands are beautiful.

Of course, we are talking flora and fauna here.

Politically the place is a disaster.

146 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:32:15pm

I'm gonna' take a walk. bbiab

147 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:32:40pm

re: #141 MJ

I had the satisfaction of saying , "What a rip!" to him as I handed him the check. The family was shocked at my lack of respect.

148 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:32:41pm

The opposite of Victory is...


all together now ___

149 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:32:59pm

re: #83 Erik The Red

Foc has gone completely nuts. They're promoting Nirthers, slandering our captured soldier, saying he's a traitor and should be executed, telling viewers America is a fascist country. They're anti-American. Now they're saying that Afghanistan is an unwinnable war and our soldiers are being sent to die for nothing? They have become the LLL, no difference at all.

150 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:33:06pm

re: #148 Shug

The opposite of Victory is...

all together now ___

Present ?

151 J.S.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:33:10pm

re: #146 MandyManners

Ditto.

152 jaunte  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:33:16pm

re: #138 MandyManners

There's a valid point to be made there that in fighting a non-state enemy it's difficult to know when you've finished, but he blew by that point in order to snark at history.

153 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:33:25pm

re: #115 MandyManners

"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

What the fuck is wrong with this man?

I mean, he'd apparently be happier if the Japanese ruled the West Coast and Hawaii.

Honto desu ka, O-bama-san?

154 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:33:42pm

re: #137 quickjustice

The Japanese Empire signed the terms of surrender on the U.S.S. Missouri. Hirohito was not present, IIRC.

Can President Obama restrain himself enough to tell the truth about something?

The formal surrender occurred on September 2, 1945 when representatives from the Empire of Japan signed the Japanese Instrument of Surrender in Tokyo Bay aboard the USS Missouri. Shigemitsu signed for the civil government, while Gen. Umezu signed for the military.

(from Wiki)

155 3 wood  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:33:43pm

Good evening. The market was up over 2% today based on, well, some news that was less than awful. I talked about this a few months ago, that soon we would start running into months that look good compared to a year ago simply cause the economy started imploding about a year ago. If the employment numbers do not improve significantly within the next few months I look for a strong correction in the market.

Look for some profit taking tomorrow. I think this market is over bought, and some money will get taken off the table pretty quickly.


One thing to keep an eye on. The Fed's have been paying banks interest on their reserves. In other words, banks have been making a risk free return by NOT loaning out money. Then the Fed's scratch their heads and wonder why the banks are not loaning much money.

This recent "recovery" will be very short lived if that situation continues for long. Yes, the banks profit numbers look good, even a banker can make a profit by getting paid to not loan out money. But the lack of capital availability in the system will soon impact the economy very negatively.

So get used to Obama explaining to you ("let me make this perfectly clear")
why 10% unemployment is a good thing.

156 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:33:52pm

re: #133 J.S.

Well, then, what should NATO troops be aiming for DEFEAT? Yeah, that's a real motivator.

So what is a "victory" in this case?

All Al-Q dead?

All Taliban dead?

The Northern Alliance forswears growing poppies and switches to arrugala?

Afghanistan blossoms like the garden of democracy it was in ... what year was that again?

Rag on me if you like, but this is one of the more thoughtful things I have ever seen attributed to Mr. Hopenchange ... maybe reality i setting in. Maybe it will set in some other places.

157 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:33:53pm

Oh so all of the sudden payola for politicians is against the law in New Jersey? Jeesh. When did they sneak that law into the books?

158 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:34:02pm

re: #144 JacksonTn

life is good, when there is rhythm and soul

159 Gearhead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:34:06pm

re: #148 Shug

The opposite of Victory is...

all together now ___

Obama

hadda say it

160 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:34:18pm

re: #140 J.S.

The Associated Press -- "Obama: 'Victory' not right word for Afghanistan".

Obviously Fox made them lie.

161 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:34:22pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Jeez, Kilgore. They sound like the Democrats before the last election.

162 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:34:24pm

re: #148 Shug

The opposite of Victory is...

all together now ___

The agony of Defeat.

163 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:34:42pm

re: #128 MandyManners

I'm beginning to become even more convinced that he hates good and right, freedom and liberty.

MM ... I have always thought that he does not know what in the hell he believes in ... which ever way the political winds blow at the time probably ... I do believe at his core he has some sort of anti-American crap going on ... probably came from his exposure as a child from the political beliefs of his mother and other around him ... even as a democrat I could not support him ... ever ...

164 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:35:36pm

There's no such thing as unbiased news reporting. The only way to get an accurate picture of what's really going on is to take in as wide a range of sources as you can and let it all accumulate and try to get some kind of synthesis. .

165 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:00pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Foc has gone completely nuts. They're promoting Nirthers, slandering our captured soldier, saying he's a traitor and should be executed, telling viewers America is a fascist country. They're anti-American. Now they're saying that Afghanistan is an unwinnable war and our soldiers are being sent to die for nothing? They have become the LLL, no difference at all.

Much like the MFM did to GWB and Iraq. Don't like it, but what goes around comes around.

166 3 wood  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:05pm

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

My G-d, he actually said that.

And they called Bush dumb.

167 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:22pm

re: #155 3 wood

Another Bear Rally.

168 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:28pm

re: #137 quickjustice

The Japanese Empire signed the terms of surrender on the U.S.S. Missouri. Hirohito was not present, IIRC.

Can President Obama restrain himself enough to tell the truth about something?

Well, you know the Japanese started it by dropping that bomb on Pearl Harbor. Or something.

169 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:36pm

I'm not trying to start a slamfest with BOs handling of the Talis over there...I am just very concerned whether we can win that fight and will he lead the charge...I would not wish this on any president...I just don't know

170 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:53pm

re: #162 Dar ul Harb

Gout: The Agony of "Da Feet". ;-)

171 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:37:00pm

re: #119 OldLineTexan

I gotta lotta overhead, what with the ice, the coolers, and shipping the donors to Tijuana to wake up in bathtubs ... OK, $140,000, but yer breakin' my balls on this.

/

OLT...that is fine comedy writing.

172 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:37:14pm

re: #143 albusteve

Steve ...I've been trying to remember the name of this guy and maybe you can help. He is an ancient blues piano player, the last of his breed. Do you know who I am talking about?

173 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:37:33pm

re: #115 MandyManners

"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

What the fuck is wrong with this man?

Does anybody speak Obama? I don't quite know what that means. Is he suggesting the image of the United States defeating the WWII-era Japanese (the same Japanese that perpetrated the Bataan Death March, the Rape of Nanking, and caught infants on the tips of bayonets) is a negative one?

Is this a joke?

My dad was on Iwo Jima. This bothers me.

174 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:37:35pm

re: #157 Mich-again

It was part of a multi year investigation. That's on top of another major bust last year with 11 politicos busted. Many ended up making plea deals.

Some of those in today's indictments were caught on tape, there's a paper trail for many of the rest.

Start watching for some of those to sing for their supper.

And watch 'em roll on others who are not yet named.

This isn't over by a long shot.

175 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:37:44pm

re: #165 Erik The Red

Much like the MFM did to GWB and Iraq. Don't like it, but what goes around comes around.


Yes, the MSM rooted against US victory in Iraq. Now Fox is rooting against US victory in Afghanistan. Agreed, same thing.

176 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:38:35pm

re: #115 MandyManners

"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' .


we must remember that when he runs for reelection.

177 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:38:59pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Foc has gone completely nuts. They're promoting Nirthers, slandering our captured soldier, saying he's a traitor and should be executed, telling viewers America is a fascist country. They're anti-American. Now they're saying that Afghanistan is an unwinnable war and our soldiers are being sent to die for nothing? They have become the LLL, no difference at all.

Can you provide the quote?

All I see are Obama quotes, and references to an AP article about how our allies in Afghanistan are losing public support due to rising casualties.

178 Racer X  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:39:02pm

I miss Bush.

Come to think of it I miss Clinton, Bush Sr., and I really miss Reagan.

179 jorline  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:39:05pm

re: #148 Shug

The opposite of Victory is...

all together now ___

Change...Hope??

180 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:39:10pm

MacArthur : I shall return

Obama : The hell you say. Who died and left you czar ?

/mix it up

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:39:19pm

re: #168 Dar ul Harb

Well, you know the Japanese started it by dropping that bomb on Pearl Harbor. Or something.

Wasn't that the Germans?

182 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:39:31pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Yes, the MSM rooted against US victory in Iraq. Now Fox is rooting against US victory in Afghanistan. Agreed, same thing.

What station do you depend on the most for news?

183 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:39:46pm

re: #161 quickjustice

Jeez, Kilgore. They sound like the Democrats before the last election.

I suggest reading the articles. Both of which are AP and AP-based.

184 tradewind  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:39:49pm

re: #17 nyc redneck
Now amended to be called the pardon state.

185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:40:03pm

Perfect game today.

18 times.

ever.

186 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:40:21pm

re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wasn't that the Germans?

Thank you, Sen. Blutarski!

/

187 Gearhead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:40:24pm
"Obama: 'Victory' not right word for Afghanistan"

Oh, hell, just give the Taliban the keys. Give up. Let the honor killings, the repression and the training camps continue.

Victory is expensive, but O doesn't care about that. It takes DETERMINATION, something he lacks unless it benefits him directly.

188 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:40:25pm

re: #154 Pianobuff

The formal surrender occurred on September 2, 1945 when representatives from the Empire of Japan signed the Japanese Instrument of Surrender in Tokyo Bay aboard the USS Missouri. Shigemitsu signed for the civil government, while Gen. Umezu signed for the military.

(from Wiki)

Good thing Sarah Palin didn't make a mistake like this. People would think she was stupid.

189 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:40:39pm

re: #172 pink freud

Steve ...I've been trying to remember the name of this guy and maybe you can help. He is an ancient blues piano player, the last of his breed. Do you know who I am talking about?

Pink ... Professor Longhair? ...

190 sngnsgt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:40:58pm

There's a joke here somewhere:

5 Rabbi's, 3 Mayor's, and...

191 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:41:36pm

re: #188 capitalist piglet

Good thing Sarah Palin didn't make a mistake like this. People would think she was stupid.

Yeah...America really dodged a bullet there. /s

192 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:07pm

re: #190 sngnsgt

There's a joke here somewhere:

5 Rabbi's, 3 Mayor's, and...

The Republican did it. Full Stop.

//maybe

193 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:17pm

re: #173 capitalist piglet

Does anybody speak Obama? I don't quite know what that means. Is he suggesting the image of the United States defeating the WWII-era Japanese (the same Japanese that perpetrated the Bataan Death March, the Rape of Nanking, and caught infants on the tips of bayonets) is a negative one?

Is this a joke?

My dad was on Iwo Jima. This bothers me.

I don't think that's what he meant. I think he's trying to imply that the end of this war will NOT look like the end of WW2 ... no neat formal treaty, etc. I am ignoring the historical goof vis-a-vis Hirohito.

194 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:19pm

re: #173 capitalist piglet

Does anybody speak Obama? I don't quite know what that means. Is he suggesting the image of the United States defeating the WWII-era Japanese (the same Japanese that perpetrated the Bataan Death March, the Rape of Nanking, and caught infants on the tips of bayonets) is a negative one?

Is this a joke?

My dad was on Iwo Jima. This bothers me.

o has never said a positive thing abt. america.

195 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:20pm

re: #81 ted

Prepare for riots in the Jewish community in 5...4...3...2...1...

Did you say riots in the Jewish community?

They don't burn cars, but they do burn garbage dumpsters.

196 Racer X  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:21pm

re: #190 sngnsgt

There's a joke here somewhere:

5 Rabbi's, 3 Mayor's, and...

1 Republican
7 Democrats

Those damn Republicans!

197 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:27pm

re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Forget it. He's rolling.

Youtube Video
198 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:33pm

re: #189 JacksonTn

No ...it may be Little Brother Montgomery though. I am digging right now. I saw him here about 5 years ago ...old old man.

199 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:39pm
200 sngnsgt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:43:18pm

re: #192 SasquatchOnSteroids

The Republican did it. Full Stop.

//maybe

What was the name of the bus driver?

201 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:43:27pm

re: #172 pink freud

Steve ...I've been trying to remember the name of this guy and maybe you can help. He is an ancient blues piano player, the last of his breed. Do you know who I am talking about?

I'm no help...there are dozens...google a list and see if you recognize the name...Otis Spann?...Willie Littlefield?

202 MJ  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:43:31pm

re: #147 quickjustice

I had the satisfaction of saying , "What a rip!" to him as I handed him the check. The family was shocked at my lack of respect.

Was that for a burial or dedication? Usually those things are agreed upon in advance or, at least, that's been my experience. Indeed, the amounts were only suggestions given by the funeral home though it was left up to us as to the actual honorarium.

203 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:44:17pm

re: #115 MandyManners

"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

What the fuck is wrong with this man?

I don't understand why the surviving members of Al Qaeda signing a surrender document would be a bad thing.

204 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:44:32pm

Pink ... the Professor ...

Youtube Video

Tip's and Dixie ... oh, yeah ...

205 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:44:50pm

re: #173 capitalist piglet

Does anybody speak Obama? I don't quite know what that means. Is he suggesting the image of the United States defeating the WWII-era Japanese (the same Japanese that perpetrated the Bataan Death March, the Rape of Nanking, and caught infants on the tips of bayonets) is a negative one?

Is this a joke?

My dad was on Iwo Jima. This bothers me.

I take it to mean that it's such an absolute victory and any terms that may be achieved here will be less black and white.

206 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:44:59pm

re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Animal House", the motion picture. Bluto: "The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor".

207 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:45:06pm

re: #198 pink freud

Ok, I found it Jackson. Henry Gray is who I was looking for. :-)

208 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:45:16pm

re: #136 Daria Emmons

I always get sad when I see a Jew doing a bad thing. (as a Jew)

I read the rabbis were Syrian and Hasidic. I hate to say it, but I am not surprised. The Syrian Jewish and Hasidic worlds are extremely insular and self-enclosed. It can breed problems. :(

I'm Hasidic but I'm not Syrian.

209 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:45:37pm

re: #177 OldLineTexan

Public support in Europe for troops in Afghanistan has always been weak that's nothing new. Just like when Bush started the surge in Iraq the death toll went up. The MSM and LLL focused on the the death toll and waning public support to try to paint it as a loss. Fox news is doing the same thing now. It's no different. They want Obama failure at any cost.
What's the point of them smearing our captured soldier in Afghanistan? Is it any better than the slander of our troops in Iraq from Murtha and the LLL?
I'm sorry, I just don't see Fox as a pro-American news network anymore.

210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:45:43pm

re: #206 quickjustice

Thanks, John.

211 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:45:45pm

re: #193 OldLineTexan

I don't think that's what he meant. I think he's trying to imply that the end of this war will NOT look like the end of WW2 ... no neat formal treaty, etc. I am ignoring the historical goof vis-a-vis Hirohito.

Hmmm. That's fine and could all be done by defining what a victory in Afghanistan would look like. Instead he discarded the word and with it the "notion".

212 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:45:57pm

re: #207 pink freud

Thanks you too, Steve.

213 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:46:05pm

re: #137 quickjustice

The Japanese Empire signed the terms of surrender on the U.S.S. Missouri. Hirohito was not present, IIRC.

Can President Obama restrain himself enough to tell the truth about something?

He wasn't deliberately lying, he is just ignorant of historical fact.

214 jaunte  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:46:19pm

Save a syllable. If you just say "I won" you don't have to say "victory."

215 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:46:52pm

re: #209 Killgore Trout

Public support in Europe for troops in Afghanistan has always been weak that's nothing new. Just like when Bush started the surge in Iraq the death toll went up. The MSM and LLL focused on the the death toll and waning public support to try to paint it as a loss. Fox news is doing the same thing now. It's no different. They want Obama failure at any cost.
What's the point of them smearing our captured soldier in Afghanistan? Is it any better than the slander of our troops in Iraq from Murtha and the LLL?
I'm sorry, I just don't see Fox as a pro-American news network anymore.

And the AP is in on this?

216 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:47:05pm

re: #173 capitalist piglet

Does anybody speak Obama? I don't quite know what that means. Is he suggesting the image of the United States defeating the WWII-era Japanese (the same Japanese that perpetrated the Bataan Death March, the Rape of Nanking, and caught infants on the tips of bayonets) is a negative one?

Is this a joke?

My dad was on Iwo Jima. This bothers me.

My grandfather served in New Guinea and it bothers me as well.

217 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:47:16pm

re: #209 Killgore Trout

Public support in Europe for troops in Afghanistan has always been weak that's nothing new. Just like when Bush started the surge in Iraq the death toll went up. The MSM and LLL focused on the the death toll and waning public support to try to paint it as a loss. Fox news is doing the same thing now. It's no different. They want Obama failure at any cost.
What's the point of them smearing our captured soldier in Afghanistan? Is it any better than the slander of our troops in Iraq from Murtha and the LLL?
I'm sorry, I just don't see Fox as a pro-American news network anymore.

What is the soldier smearing you speak of? Do you have a link to this?

218 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:47:30pm

re: #212 pink freud

Thanks you too, Steve.

heh...missed by a mile

219 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:47:33pm

re: #212 pink freud

Thanks you too, Steve.

Pink ... here is your guy ...

Youtube Video
220 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:47:41pm

re: #211 Pianobuff

Hmmm. That's fine and could all be done by defining what a victory in Afghanistan would look like. Instead he discarded the word and with it the "notion".

I don't have to agree with what he says or like it to attempt to interpret it.

Thankfully.

/

221 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:47:50pm

Good Night Lizards. I am moving into my townhouse tomorrow. I have 10 days to get it ready before my GIRLS get here. :)

222 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:48:04pm

BTW, Obama's statement isn't very different that Michael Yon's most recent assesment.

223 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:48:05pm

re: #220 OldLineTexan

I don't have to agree with what he says or like it to attempt to interpret it.

Thankfully.

/

Check.

224 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:48:11pm

re: #187 Gearhead

There's a legitimate argument about whether Afghanistan is of strategic importance to us sufficient to warrant the kind of investment we're making, but as long as our troops are there, I'm rooting for them!

225 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:48:18pm

re: #221 Erik The Red

Good Night Lizards. I am moving into my townhouse tomorrow. I have 10 days to get it ready before my GIRLS get here. :)

EtR .. you a lucky man ...

226 MJ  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:48:20pm

The CST of British Jewry has released it's Report on Antisemitic Discourse in 2008 in the UK:

CST Antisemitic Discourse Report 2008

Often, the antisemitic discourse covered in this report reveals unthinking stereotypes and prejudice, rather than something more considered. Lazy journalism can lead to what David Hirsh called “ready-made ways of thinking about Jews”. Some of the UK media coverage of the American presidential election, which is included in the report, falls into this category. Other examples in the report, such as Press TV’s promotion of Holocaust Denial, are more sinister; still others, such as Alan Hart claiming that Jews live in communities so that they can form voting blocs (rather than, for example, wanting to live within walking distance of their synagogue), are bizarre. Often, it is only by revisiting what antisemites used to say openly – such as in the 1960s British Nazi poster at the bottom of this post – that the antisemitic resonance of contemporary discourse can be fully understood...

[Link: thecst.org.uk...]

227 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:48:34pm

re: #219 JacksonTn

You're wonderful, Jackson ...thanks!

228 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:49:22pm

re: #213 Alouette

He wasn't deliberately lying, he is just ignorant of historical fact.

And which of the 57 states was he campaigning in when he made this remark?

229 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:49:27pm

re: #221 Erik The Red

Good Night Lizards. I am moving into my townhouse tomorrow. I have 10 days to get it ready before my GIRLS get here. :)

My son bought a brand new condo in Brooklyn and had 2 weeks to prepare it before his wife and kids moved in from Moscow.

230 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:49:40pm

re: #202 MJ

Burial. My cousin's deadbeat husband negotiated the price, when he knew someone else would have to pay. It was an outrage all the way around.

231 3 wood  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:50:42pm

re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Perfect game today.

18 times.

ever.


If I'm not mistaken, only Beuhrle and Randy Johnson have thrown a perfect game in addition to a no-hitter.

26 now have thrown multiple no hitters.

232 3 wood  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:51:12pm

re: #199 taxfreekiller

3-wood you here???

Yes Sir.

233 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:51:13pm

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And the full Bluto quote was???

234 Racer X  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:51:15pm

'Imbecilic' French Army Drill Sparks Giant Wildfire

The fire erupted after troops from the 1st Foreign Legion Regiment used tracer rounds, which contain an incendiary substance to make them visible in flight, during a practice session at their base.

The fire, started at a camp in Carpiagne, was the worst to hit southern France in three years. Marseille's mayor and senator Jean-Claude Gaudin demanded that the military help out with the clean-up operation.

"We did the best we can but, when you're faced with this kind of incredible stupidity, you need to say so with a certain force," he added.

235 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:51:20pm

Gotta be careful about which kidnapped soldier you back ...

/careful - lying anti-American source linked above. Read with extreme caution.

236 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:51:33pm

re: #231 3 wood

TFK is looking for you.

237 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:51:42pm

re: #217 Pianobuff

KosKidz have a video report that pretty much sums it up. This has been developing over the past few days.

238 Silvergirl  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:52:06pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Foc has gone completely nuts. They're promoting Nirthers, slandering our captured soldier, saying he's a traitor and should be executed, telling viewers America is a fascist country. They're anti-American. Now they're saying that Afghanistan is an unwinnable war and our soldiers are being sent to die for nothing? They have become the LLL, no difference at all.

FOC? Friends of Carlotta? (Reference for fans of Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid)

Okay, it took me awhile to figure out you mean Fox News.

239 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:52:15pm

re: #231 3 wood

If I'm not mistaken, only Beuhrle and Randy Johnson have thrown a perfect game in addition to a no-hitter.

26 now have thrown multiple no hitters.

interesting...I did not know RJ tossed a perfect game...don't follow it closely anymore

240 rob.schmitt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:52:26pm

This is NOT , "Bad craziness"

It IS New Jersey (The Mafia State)

241 3 wood  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:53:05pm

re: #173 capitalist piglet

My dad was on Iwo Jima. This bothers me.

I wonder if Mrs. Obama was proud of her country for winning WWII?

242 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:53:08pm

Jackson! Look who's here!

243 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:53:13pm

re: #224 quickjustice

There's a legitimate argument about whether Afghanistan is of strategic importance to us sufficient to warrant the kind of investment we're making, but as long as our troops are there, I'm rooting for them!

hell yes...get some

244 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:53:17pm

re: #238 Silvergirl

Somebody placed the c and x keys too close together on my keyvoard.

245 Capitalist Tool  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:53:38pm

re: #234 Racer X

Yeah, years ago (we were kids) my buddy set his Dad's pasture on fire w/a surplus .30-06 tracer...
oopsie.

246 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:53:44pm

re: #213 Alouette

I don't know whether he was "deliberately lying" or not. I do know that when the President speaks about momentous historic moments, he should get his facts right, particularly when he's trying to draw an analogy to current events.

247 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:53:56pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Somebody placed the c and x keys too close together on my keyvoard.

It was departing Bush staffers, probably.

/

248 Gearhead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:54:39pm

re: #224 quickjustice

There's a legitimate argument about whether Afghanistan is of strategic importance to us sufficient to warrant the kind of investment we're making, but as long as our troops are there, I'm rooting for them!

I would (respectfully) argue that it matters:
We ran from Lebanon and it emboldened the Islamists.
We ran from Somalia and it emboldened the Islamists.
We defeated AQ in Iraq, and they ran, and they're afraid.
Afghanistan...who knows?

249 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:55:42pm

It would however, be highly inappropriate to say it seems that all the President knows about U.S. history he learned in an Indonesian elementary school.

250 Aisha  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:55:47pm

Jews stealing money...Aisha could not be more surprised! Imams do not do such things as stealing money, because they are Muslims and Muslims are above that sort of thing. Whereas about 95% of people in jail for theft are Jews and Zionists...

251 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:55:47pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Somebody placed the c and x keys too close together on my keyvoard.

merlot the squeezer

252 Capitalist Tool  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:56:03pm

re: #248 Gearhead

I would (respectfully) argue that it matters:
We ran from Lebanon and it emboldened the Islamists.
We ran from Somalia and it emboldened the Islamists.
We defeated AQ in Iraq, and they ran, and they're afraid.
Afghanistan...who knows?

Whatever happened to "kill enough of 'em and they will stop?"

253 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:56:41pm

re: #193 OldLineTexan

re: #205 Conservative Moonbat

Thanks. I need an interpreter with this guy sometimes. (I wasn't even thinking of that context...thanks again.)

254 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:57:32pm

re: #250 Aisha

Aisha! How's the black bag hangin?

255 jorline  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:57:47pm

Clinton Holds Out Hope for North Korean Talks as Nations Trade Insults

North Korean representatives say the so-called six-party talks are "over" and "dead," and reject as "nonsense" the United States' plan to offer the country new incentives.

North Korea's foreign ministry fired back, calling Clinton a "funny lady" who sometimes "looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping." The ministry was quoted as calling her remarks "vulgar" and saying "she is by no means intelligent."

I have a big-ass incentive for the NoKo's.

Youtube Video
256 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:58:03pm

"Captured" soldier walked off base, against orders, no weapon or body armor, AWOL in a combat zone, now diverting thousands of U.S. troops from their original mission, risking their lives, in a probably futile effort to find Mr. AWOL.

/very little sympathy

257 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:58:03pm

re: #136 Daria Emmons

The Syrian Jewish and Hasidic worlds are extremely insular and self-enclosed. It can breed problems. :(

Ouch, some of my best friends are Hassidic and from Jersey...

258 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:58:03pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Somebody placed the c and x keys too close together on my keyvoard.

Sounds like the Baron Philippe de Rothschild or one of his wine making pals...

259 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:58:16pm

re: #253 capitalist piglet

re: #205 Conservative Moonbat

Thanks. I need an interpreter with this guy sometimes. (I wasn't even thinking of that context...thanks again.)

I'm trying to avoid the inevitable label of "knee-jerk conservative" which would be slapped across my forehead if I ran around like Chicken Little ...

260 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:58:24pm

re: #248 Gearhead

As I said, the argument is legitimate, as is your point of view. I worry that while our troops are tied down in Afghanistan, we lack the muscle to protect more important strategic areas like the Persian Gulf, Georgia, and Ukraine. I think we can defeat North Korea peacefully if we so choose.

It's really a matter of setting strategic priorities.

261 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:58:30pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

KosKidz have a video report that pretty much sums it up. This has been developing over the past few days.

Has there been any follow-up from Fox on this?

262 Capitalist Tool  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:58:46pm

re: #255 jorline

...I have a big-ass incentive for the NoKo's.


Hillary?

263 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:59:05pm

re: #256 Killian Bundy

"Captured" soldier walked off base, against orders, no weapon or body armor, AWOL in a combat zone, now diverting thousands of U.S. troops from their original mission, risking their lives, in a probably futile effort to find Mr. AWOL.

/very little sympathy

I'm pretty sure they said not to do that in Basic.

264 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:59:33pm

re: #262 Capitalist Tool

Hillary?

Hillary looks better to me every day.

265 Racer X  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:59:34pm

re: #256 Killian Bundy

"Captured" soldier walked off base, against orders, no weapon or body armor, AWOL in a combat zone,

Is that confirmed?

266 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:59:35pm

re: #252 Capitalist Tool

Whatever happened to "kill enough of 'em and they will stop?"

The problem is finding them and then killing them without killing too many bystanders. We're not going to use a strategy of mass slaughter (and we shouldn't), and that makes rooting out the terrorists long and difficult work.

267 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:59:59pm

re: #258 experiencedtraveller

Sounds like the Baron Philippe de Rothschild or one of his wine making pals...

I thought those were the joo-bankers that sekritly run the whole world...

//

268 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:00:00pm

re: #194 nyc redneck

o has never said a positive thing abt. america.

I think he said we produced him, and his amazing life story...if that counts.

269 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:00:28pm

re: #264 OldLineTexan

It's amazing how your perspective gets distorted when you get horny enough! ;-)

270 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:00:35pm

re: #265 Racer X

Is that confirmed?

Yes. His weapon and armor were found on the base, and he left without orders.

271 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:00:35pm

The words

located at Pauillac in the Médoc

make me drool.

/Just sayin'

272 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:01:12pm

re: #267 ArchangelMichael

I thought those were the joo-bankers that sekritly run the whole world...

//

I thought the banker Rothchilds didn't have the "s" in the middle of the name.

273 Racer X  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:01:32pm

How did they make the weapon so small?

274 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:01:35pm

re: #269 quickjustice

It's amazing how your perspective gets distorted when you get horny enough! ;-)

Before we get out the boob thread lube, I meant in comparison to Obama.

275 Gearhead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:01:55pm

re: #260 quickjustice

As I said, the argument is legitimate, as is your point of view. I worry that while our troops are tied down in Afghanistan, we lack the muscle to protect more important strategic areas like the Persian Gulf, Georgia, and Ukraine. I think we can defeat North Korea peacefully if we so choose.

It's really a matter of setting strategic priorities.

Agreed - and the current size of our military makes those decisions more difficult.

And I think we can defeat North Kora peacefully, too. But it takes a degree of backbone that I don't think this administration has.

276 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:02:02pm

re: #265 Racer X

Is that confirmed?

You want to believe the Taliban version that he was captured "lagging" behind a patrol?

/think that could ever happen?

277 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:02:05pm

re: #234 Racer X

'Imbecilic' French Army Drill Sparks Giant Wildfire

The fire erupted after troops from the 1st Foreign Legion Regiment used tracer rounds, which contain an incendiary substance to make them visible in flight, during a practice session at their base.

The fire, started at a camp in Carpiagne, was the worst to hit southern France in three years. Marseille's mayor and senator Jean-Claude Gaudin demanded that the military help out with the clean-up operation.

"We did the best we can but, when you're faced with this kind of incredible stupidity, you need to say so with a certain force," he added.

First weapon I ever fired was an M60 machine gun firing tracers into a hillside at Camp San Luis Obispo when I was a noobie cadet in Cal Poly. I was "first in line" for the M60 so I was the first to send rounds down range that day.

And guess what - I set the hill on fire. We managed to put it out and then the NCOs pulled the tracer rounds and we went "back to work".

Point is, I can see how it could happen.

278 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:02:20pm

re: #267 ArchangelMichael

I thought those were the joo-bankers that sekritly run the whole world...

//

They can have the world as long as they keep making that wine!

;)

279 Gearhead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:02:59pm

re: #269 quickjustice

It's amazing how your perspective gets distorted when you get horny enough! ;-)

Pres. Clinton? I never knew you were a lizard!

280 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:03:10pm

re: #272 reine.de.tout

I thought the banker Rothchilds didn't have the "s" in the middle of the name.

If I failed to notice that, I'm sure that the average Alex Jones follower will too.

281 3 wood  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:03:11pm

Messiah meets paradox of unintended consequences:

JPMorgan Said to Increase Some Banker Salaries Starting in 2010


July 23 (Bloomberg) -- JPMorgan Chase & Co., the second- largest U.S. bank by assets, will increase salaries for investment bankers who earn half or more of their total compensation in year-end bonuses, a person familiar with the firm said.

The plan, unveiled today at a meeting with investment bank co-heads Steven Black and William Winters, will be implemented in 2010 and details will be announced closer to the end of this year, the person said, declining to be identified because pay matters are confidential. The salary increase doesn’t change total pay.

The move allows JPMorgan to keep pace with rivals that have shifted pay to salaries amid restrictions on bonuses, and makes its compensation costs more predictable. Morgan Stanley and UBS AG have announced salary increases for certain employees. Morgan Stanley said in May it will increase base pay for some

executives, while UBS increased banker salaries by 50 percent.


In other words, cause bonuses are such a hot button issue, they have adjusted the salaries up. So Obama, due to your grandstanding, this bank has increased their ongoing operating costs as a result.

Good one.

282 swamprat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:03:34pm

re: #259 OldLineTexan

I'm trying to avoid the inevitable label of "knee-jerk conservative" which would be slapped across my forehead if I ran around like Chicken Little ...

First result on yahoo news; Three negative Obama stories.
6 months in, and the media machine is already cranking up.
I must admit it surprises me.

283 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:03:36pm

re: #259 OldLineTexan

I'm trying to avoid the inevitable label of "knee-jerk conservative" which would be slapped across my forehead if I ran around like Chicken Little ...

I should try that. ; )

I think I'm just conditioned to lefty thinking - that almost anything I think is good for America, they think is bad.

I tried to participate on DU for about a month, and I did all right, until we talked about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That was the end of little piglet. On that topic, I couldn't hold back. LOL

284 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:03:43pm

re: #261 Pianobuff

Yes, If you watch the whole video the guy repeated his slander of Fox again yesterday.

285 Gearhead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:04:10pm

re: #275 Gearhead

...North Kora...

PIMF.

Must. Stop. Typing. With. Butt.

286 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:04:18pm

re: #273 Racer X

How did they make the weapon so small?

I have lots of cool 1/6 scale weapons.

287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:06:20pm

Maybe it's just me.

I just opened an email from the boss. Right before bed.

Am thinking I might've waited til morning.

Anybody else?

I work for idiots.

288 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:06:54pm

re: #280 ArchangelMichael

If I failed to notice that, I'm sure that the average Alex Jones follower will too.

Just looked it up; not accurate.
I had a HS friend whose last name was Rothschild; I remember she told me that once.

289 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:07:25pm

re: #284 Killgore Trout

Yes, If you watch the whole video the guy repeated his slander of Fox again yesterday.

Hey, is this another case where you stink?

/

290 3 wood  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:07:39pm

Don't be surprised if unemployment inches over the 10% mark by the end of July,
with the stimulus package and all.

Good night all.

291 jorline  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:08:21pm

re: #262 Capitalist Tool

Hillary?

lmao

292 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:13:38pm
293 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:15:52pm

re: #22 Pianobuff

Noticed this paragraph near the bottom...
The article also said they were involved in the black market organ trade. Eeeesh. Well, maybe Jimmy Hoffa will show up.

What worries me about this is that the anti-Semites will pick up on it.
Wasn't there a recent Turkish movie that blamed the US and the Jooos for organ trading?

294 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:16:08pm
295 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:16:13pm

Gee, what about the ~12 brave U.S. soldiers, killed in the line of duty, following orders, since Mr. AWOL went AWOL, who didn't divert thousands of troops to search for their AWOL ass?

/what LLL weeps for them?

296 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:17:31pm

re: #27 ArmyWife

as I noted earlier, what the heck is in the water in Jersey?


North Jersey.
It's just about a different state.

297 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:20:51pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

KosKidz have a video report that pretty much sums it up. This has been developing over the past few days.

OK. I watched the complete piece. I also researched and found the original (unedited) pieces before Ms. Maddow finished cutting and splicing.

Here are my thoughts (and how they relate to Fox news, which is what this discussion is all about).

1) Ralph Peters was a guest on Fox. Ralph Peters does not host a show, or anchor.

2) Ralph Peters (imo) jumped the gun. Having said that, he purports to have a good set of ears on the ground and hearing stuff that hasn't made it out yet. I still think he spoke too soon.

3) Ralph Peters qualifies his statements, but that wouldn't be known from the Kos piece because that has been masterfully edited out.

4) Of the two Fox source pieces, both Julie Banderas and Bill O'Reilly challenged Ralph Peters on multiple occasions.

By the way, this is one of the sections that Maddow edited. The erased piece is in bold:

"I want to be clear. If, when the facts are in, we find out that through some convoluted chain of events, he really was captured by the Taliban, I’m with him. But, if he walked away from his post and his buddies in wartime, I don’t care how hard it sounds, as far as I’m concerned, the Taliban can save us a lot of legal hassles and legal bills.

Your statements about Fox (at least based on this example) appear to me to be exaggerated, sensational, and based on incomplete analysis of the actual source content (if the KosKids link is your main reference).

298 ernieg  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:23:23pm

re: #190 sngnsgt

There's a joke here somewhere:

5 Rabbi's, 3 Mayor's, and...

So these three New Jersey mayors and five rabbis walk into a courtroom. The judge looks up and says, "What is this already, some kinda joke?"

299 legalpad  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:34:53pm

Fox news didn't mention their political party affiliation. Therefore, I figured they were Democrats.

300 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:51:47pm

re: #297 Pianobuff

But, if he walked away from his post and his buddies in wartime, I don’t care how hard it sounds, as far as I’m concerned, the Taliban can save us a lot of legal hassles and legal bills.


Way to support the troops!
/

301 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:59:43pm

re: #300 Killgore Trout

Way to support the troops!
/

But ... if.

They're called qualifiers. If he deserted his post, he's got problems.

Desertion is not a good idea.

302 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:10:13pm

re: #300 Killgore Trout

Way to support the troops!
/

/without Googling, name one that's been killed within the last week, they don't get quite as much attention

303 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:14:02pm

re: #300 Killgore Trout

Way to support the troops!
/

What does that have to do with Fox which is what you and I have been talking about?

304 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:16:49pm

re: #301 OldLineTexan

But ... if.

They're called qualifiers. If he deserted his post, he's got problems.

Desertion is not a good idea.

/I was willing to give him AWOL, but he's turned up in a Taliban video, it's now turned into a disruption of an entire theater of wartime operations, sorry, soldiers are dying every day in Afghanistan, we should either find him or he should never turn up in another video

305 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:18:32pm

One man.

/lot of that going around

306 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:23:11pm

And if you think the Taliban's going to actually give him back . . .

/just ask Gilad Shalit

307 charlesincharge  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:29:28pm

re: #27 ArmyWife

as I noted earlier, what the heck is in the water in Jersey?

It's not what is in the water. It's what is in elected office... DEMOCRATS!

308 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:02:50pm

Fear the rogue policeman, unless you're white, then you're screwed.

/otherwise feel free to rant away against the apartheid

309 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:04:10pm

re: #303 Pianobuff

What does that have to do with Fox which is what you and I have been talking about?

He did something stupid, no doubt. Does the deckhand on an aircraft carriers deserve what he gets if he fucks up and get sucks into an aircraft engine? Are you going to cheer when a humvee driver forgets his training and gets paralyzed by driving too close to an easily identified EID? How about a soldier how's ordered to move and stays put? Does he deserve to be shot in the spine?
I'd guess that many, if not most, military casualties are caused by people who made poor choices, ignored orders or were careless or stupid. To Cheer on this young man's death for fucking up is immoral. He may very well die a horrific death for his mistake. I have little doubt that the Taliban will show him those clips from Fox News labeling him as a traitor who deserves to die. They couldn't break his morale any better than Fox News if they tried.

310 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:12:49pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

He did something stupid, no doubt. Does the deckhand on an aircraft carriers deserve what he gets if he fucks up and get sucks into an aircraft engine?

That doesn't retask thousands of troops and disrupt theater war operations.

/that said, he's the primary operational focus now, I hope the we're able to return him to his family

311 kynna  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:15:31pm

Um ... I voted for Dennis Elwell.

*shame*

I'm not at all surprised by the NJ pols. The dems in that state are absolutely the most corrupt going. Slightly less corrupt, but only slightly are the NJ republicans. That party can actually field a fairly honest candidate every once in a while. But if they try to go larger than mayor, they get no support unless they're members of the team.

Ah, good times, good times.

What's up with the rabbis? :^/

312 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:17:50pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

I'd guess that many, if not most, military casualties are caused by people who made poor choices, ignored orders or were careless or stupid.

Do you personally know anyone who's recently served in the military?

/a href="[Link: www.army.mil...]>are you serious?

313 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:35:12pm

re: #312 Killian Bundy

Yes. I've also attended hostage and terrorism seminars from a very young age as it was always a concern with my family. You wouldn't believe the promises I've had to make in regards to hostage situations to members of my immediate family. This stuff has been a reality to me pretty much my entire life.

314 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:46:26pm

re: #313 Killgore Trout

Yes. I've also attended hostage and terrorism seminars from a very young age as it was always a concern with my family. You wouldn't believe the promises I've had to make in regards to hostage situations to members of my immediate family. This stuff has been a reality to me pretty much my entire life.

That's not military, that's State, if anything. Different rules. My dad was a prominent banker, I was trained in kidnapping too.

/you DO NOT walk off a combat base in Afghanistan alone without knowing that you're about to become a United States military burden/problem/headache

315 jayzee  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:46:24am

As this thing takes more shape, it is turning out to be less bizarre, though no less chilling and widespread. Turns out that the cooperating witness is supposedly Solomon Dwek. In turning state's evidence, he reduced the time he'll have to serve for what he was arrested for a few years back. A member of the Syrian Jewish community in Deal, and real estate developer, he want after those people who he knew best. Hence the rabbis (his own father is THE rabbi for the Syrian community in Deal) and shady politicians.

316 JEA62  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:27:39am

The kidney-selling gives a whole new meaning to "I can get it for you wholesale"...

Sad that men of religion would stoop so low.

Also heard on the radio that Chris Christie was one of the people who started the investigation when he was a prosecutor. Doesn't look good for Corzine in November. He might be the next Jim Florio.

317 mrkwong  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 7:52:13am

The good part about the rabbis and the organ peddling is that it turns a dog-bites-man yawner ("Fifty crooked Democrats - and a GOP beard or two - in New Jersey? Where do they think they are, Chicago?") into something with enough of a tabloid edge to keep it in the press a while.

318 herman92  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:20:42am

I live in Hoboken, its a great town, with awesome views of the Hudson River & NYC and really amazing parks. Great restaurants, pubs and very interesting people. Its arguably one the best towns and places to live in New Jersey. (schools need some work) Unfortunately the town class divide "this is very simplified, but" runs between along locals and more affluent people who mostly work in NY. IN short, Cammarano got elected by promising the locals that they will keep their "town & government jobs" which means higher taxes to a largely uninvolved more transitional urban professionals. the dynamic is changing , slowly but surely, as more families are staying and not moving to the "burbs." Cammarano bribes the the locals for their votes and apparently that mentality is conducive to accepting bribes back. its a shame, a real shame. Cammarano only won by about 200 votes, so hopefully the tide is turning. All the town employees rallied around the guy, and to their credit, they are a very effective voting block. Some would call it a machine. The Dems are very strong in this area, Republicans don't have a fighting chance. one party dominance or systems are inherently vulnerable to corruption, at any level.

319 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:28:21am

re: #309 Killgore Trout

He did something stupid, no doubt. Does the deckhand on an aircraft carriers deserve what he gets if he fucks up and get sucks into an aircraft engine? Are you going to cheer when a humvee driver forgets his training and gets paralyzed by driving too close to an easily identified EID? How about a soldier how's ordered to move and stays put? Does he deserve to be shot in the spine?
I'd guess that many, if not most, military casualties are caused by people who made poor choices, ignored orders or were careless or stupid. To Cheer on this young man's death for fucking up is immoral. He may very well die a horrific death for his mistake. I have little doubt that the Taliban will show him those clips from Fox News labeling him as a traitor who deserves to die. They couldn't break his morale any better than Fox News if they tried.

Have you watched the Fox news clips yet? Not the KozKids redux versions... the originals?

320 RexMundi  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:05:07pm

Why does this sound likere: #190 sngnsgt

There's a joke here somewhere:

5 Rabbi's, 3 Mayor's, and...

Exactly what I was thinking...

321 Dom  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 7:04:34pm

As with any such terrible chilul hashem, bringing the Jewish community and faith into disrepute, this story really hurts. I don't understand how anyone let alone one of the community I love can be so callous. When someone has dodged taxes or something we might feel a little compassion, but people who could take kidneys at gunpoint by way of a huge laundering scam - Jews? And they had to do this through Israel? Please may the frum communities of New York, London, Israel and around the world take note and campaign against blase corruption and any sense of aloofness. Oy gevalt.


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