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Here’s your traditional midday open thread, with time lapse video of the Los Angeles wildfire.
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Ojoe Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:05:40pm |
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snowcrash Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:06:17pm |
Anyone heard from Racer X and Pvt BinJammin who are in the area?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:07:02pm |
re: #4 snowcrash
I think Racer X was around earlier.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:07:39pm |
re: #3 Ojoe
Here is the last Towercam image before the fires knocked it out.
I understand Mt. Wilson is covered in fire retardant...
I am holding my breathe and praying for the best
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Shug Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:08:06pm |
May all of you California Lizards stay cool and fire free, and may all of your homes and property stay safe.
and may the remnants of the Hurricane scoot up to LA and dump enough rain to kill the fires but not so much that you get mudslides.
tall order, I know
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Shug Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:08:56pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:10:04pm |
re: #7 Shug
May all of you California Lizards stay cool and fire free, and may all of your homes and property stay safe.
and may the remnants of the Hurricane scoot up to LA and dump enough rain to kill the fires but not so much that you get mudslides.tall order, I know
There may be nothing more terrifying than a Fire in California during the dry season...
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Eowyn2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:11:14pm |
re: #9 HoosierHoops
There may be nothing more terrifying than a Fire in California during the dry season...
its bush's fault
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:12:36pm |
I don't think there is anything more scary to a human being than being burned to death. I pray that all who are in the path of these fires will be safe and remember that no possessions are more precious than their lives.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:12:44pm |
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
Map link. Looks like Altadena is threatened. I remember standing in my apartment in Pasadena and watching the hills burn, seeing the ash fall in the swimming pool.
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snowcrash Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:15:50pm |
What do people with asthma and other resp. ailments do when the air quality is so dangerous? Do they leave or are there evacuation ctrs with medical care?
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Shug Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:16:13pm |
and those fires seem to move so fast.
Why don't these communities chop down all this underbrush around these neighbornoods?
Looks like a lot of these areas are just tinder boxes waiting for a spark
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SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:16:48pm |
re: #14 _RememberTonyC
I don't think there is anything more scary to a human being than being burned to death. I pray that all who are in the path of these fires will be safe and remember that no possessions are more precious than their lives.
Yep. Except the plasma. I might have a go to save that fucker.
/
Seriously, just looking at the footage and knowing there's not much you can do but pack and scat, leaving all of it behind, is just unfathomable to me.
Feel so horrible for those folks.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:17:07pm |
re: #17 Shug
and those fires seem to move so fast.
Why don't these communities chop down all this underbrush around these neighbornoods?
Looks like a lot of these areas are just tinder boxes waiting for a spark
Ultra-kooky earth lovers won't let them?
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doppelganglander Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:17:31pm |
re: #2 buzzsawmonkey
She comes down Yellow Mountain
On the dark flatlands she rides.../no, I can't do it.
Am I the only one who got that?
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:18:36pm |
re: #14 _RememberTonyC
I don't think there is anything more scary to a human being than being burned to death. I pray that all who are in the path of these fires will be safe and remember that no possessions are more precious than their lives.
I can think of many things more scary than that...
1. Being born a woman in a Muslim family and falling in love with a Christian.
2. Deciding to come out of the closet in Tehran.
3. Being Jewish after dark in a Muslim community in Paris.
4. Being a barber and granting a customer's request to shave his beard in Pakistan.
5. Being a little girl at school in Saudi Arabia in the event of a fire.
need I continue?
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:18:43pm |
Gross!
And all that smoke is headed toward Denver.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:18:45pm |
re: #18 SasquatchOnSteroids
Yep. Except the plasma. I might have a go to save that fucker.
/Seriously, just looking at the footage and knowing there's not much you can do but pack and scat, leaving all of it behind, is just unfathomable to me.
Feel so horrible for those folks.
It is heartbreaking for sure. But friends and family can help fire victims rebuild ... but only if the victims are alive.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:18:50pm |
re: #20 doppelganglander
No, I had that album too.
...take these hard times, right out of her mind...
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:18:57pm |
re: #14 _RememberTonyC
I don't think there is anything more scary to a human being than being burned to death. I pray that all who are in the path of these fires will be safe and remember that no possessions are more precious than their lives.
In the 70's we had bad fires in Napa Valley..The Atlas Peak fire...Once in 74.. I remember standing outside and every hill was on fire surrounding us...
Our family stood outside with the Valley on fire and was completely terrorized...
May God have Mercy on the Families in LA tonight...Be safe
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:19:23pm |
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DEZes Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:19:30pm |
re: #18 SasquatchOnSteroids
Yep. Except the plasma. I might have a go to save that fucker.
/Seriously, just looking at the footage and knowing there's not much you can do but pack and scat, leaving all of it behind, is just unfathomable to me.
Feel so horrible for those folks.
Save the plasma from the plasma.
/
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Noam Sayin' Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:19:56pm |
Do we have any lizards in trouble out there? I'm thinking of Desert Sage, maybe. I thought he lived somewhere near there.
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:20:18pm |
re: #20 doppelganglander
Am I the only one who got that?
I got it. Just never really liked that song...
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:20:45pm |
re: #21 shanec99
I can think of many things more scary than that...
1. Being born a woman in a Muslim family and falling in love with a Christian.
2. Deciding to come out of the closet in Tehran.
3. Being Jewish after dark in a Muslim community in Paris.
4. Being a barber and granting a customer's request to shave his beard in Pakistan.
5. Being a little girl at school in Saudi Arabia in the event of a fire.need I continue?
I get your drift. but burning to death is a certain and very painful demise.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:21:12pm |
re: #15 EmmmieG
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
Map link. Looks like Altadena is threatened. I remember standing in my apartment in Pasadena and watching the hills burn, seeing the ash fall in the swimming pool.
from the link:
The fire's maximum borders are roughly 25 miles from west to east and 18 miles north to south, covering the entire length of Angeles National Forest from Highway 14 to Altadena. That's roughly equivalent to an area from downtown Los Angeles to Long Beach and from Santa Monica to El Monte.
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doppelganglander Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:21:37pm |
re: #24 jaunte
No, I had that album too.
...take these hard times, right out of her mind...
You owned it? I'm not going to make fun -- I bought albums by the Partridge Family.
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stuck in california Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:21:42pm |
Noam, I think Sage is closer to San Diego...
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:21:50pm |
re: #31 _RememberTonyC
I get your drift. but burning to death is a certain and very painful demise.
and the things that I mentioned aren't?
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DEZes Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:22:27pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:22:36pm |
re: #34 stuck in california
Noam, I think Sage is closer to San Diego...
I'm a native...Where are you about in California?
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Noam Sayin' Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:22:58pm |
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doppelganglander Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:23:06pm |
re: #36 shanec99
and the things that I mentioned aren't?
They are certainly high risk, but they aren't as immediate and as viscerally terrifying as fire.
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:23:22pm |
re: #30 LGoPs
I got it. Just never really liked that song...
...and now I can't get it out of my freakin' head. Thanks a lot buzz...
/ ;)
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brookly red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:23:50pm |
re: #32 FrogMarch
from the link:
The fire's maximum borders are roughly 25 miles from west to east and 18 miles north to south, covering the entire length of Angeles National Forest from Highway 14 to Altadena. That's roughly equivalent to an area from downtown Los Angeles to Long Beach and from Santa Monica to El Monte.
But wasn't that what burnt last year? or somewhere near there?
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:24:10pm |
re: #36 shanec99
and the things that I mentioned aren't?
what is the point of this "discussion?" sure, those examples of islamic "culture" are terrifying. are you happy?
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Athos Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:24:14pm |
re: #39 Noam Sayin'
Whew.
And holy $#@+! I just watched the video. Wow.
The smoke was easily visible 50 - 60 miles to the west, and pilots said it exceeded 20K ft altitude...
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:24:50pm |
re: #44 brookly red
But wasn't that what burnt last year? or somewhere near there?
IIRC - that was closer to Redlands?
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:24:51pm |
re: #41 doppelganglander
They are certainly high risk, but they aren't as immediate and as viscerally terrifying as fire.
Tell that to the victim of a honor killing, she might just have a different opinion !
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debutaunt Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:24:57pm |
re: #16 snowcrash
What do people with asthma and other resp. ailments do when the air quality is so dangerous? Do they leave or are there evacuation ctrs with medical care?
Stay in your house with the A/C on to keep positive pressure against the smoke.
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stuck in california Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:25:06pm |
re: #38 HoosierHoops
I'm a native...Where are you about in California?
Used to live in Banning, escaped a couple of years ago to downstate Illinois. back to my hometown.
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HelloDare Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:25:39pm |
It looks like a rogue mutant cauliflower that's really pissed off.
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CyanSnowHawk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:25:52pm |
re: #17 Shug
and those fires seem to move so fast.
Why don't these communities chop down all this underbrush around these neighbornoods?
Looks like a lot of these areas are just tinder boxes waiting for a spark
Herculean task. It's difficult enough to get people to clear the 100-200ft around their property. That's usually enough though. A friends parents home was saved by doing just that a number of years ago.
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:26:12pm |
re: #45 _RememberTonyC
what is the point of this "discussion?" sure, those examples of islamic "culture" are terrifying. are you happy?
Last time I checked it was an open thread... meaning anything could be discussed.
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Athos Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:26:13pm |
re: #44 brookly red
But wasn't that what burnt last year? or somewhere near there?
Last year's fire was to the west mainly to the west of this one. If you check the interactive map, it was just north of the 210 and between the 210 / 14. The mobile home park that was wiped out was just off the 210 about 2 miles from the 210 / 5 junction at the base of the Newhall Pass.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:26:21pm |
re: #25 HoosierHoops
In the 70's we had bad fires in Napa Valley..The Atlas Peak fire...Once in 74.. I remember standing outside and every hill was on fire surrounding us...
Our family stood outside with the Valley on fire and was completely terrorized...
May God have Mercy on the Families in LA tonight...Be safe
Hoosier ... Cali is one of my favorite places in the world. But there are real extremes in the state. Extreme beauty (the coast, Lake Tahoe, the vineyards) and extreme danger (quakes, wildfires).
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jaunte Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:27:38pm |
Some info about fire and the San Gabriel Mts. plant life:
Fire is the primary regenerative force in the chaparral plant habitat. In fact, many plant species require fire to reproduce. Historically, the fire cycle in the mountain ranges of Southern California has been approximately 40-60 years. However, with increased urbanization, human ignitions have shortened this cycle to 30-40 years. As a result, particularly in the San Gabriel foothills, chaparral shrubs are less able to re-colonize amidst frequent seedling-killing fires and must also face tough competition from non-native grasses. This has led to a habitat conversion from shrubs to grasses.
(link to pdf: [Link: 74.125.155.132...]
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:27:46pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:27:55pm |
re: #50 stuck in california
Used to live in Banning, escaped a couple of years ago to downstate Illinois. back to my hometown.
Nice to meet you..I'm a native who transfered to Indiana...Very close to you...
Let's keep in touch here...Oh Banning please! *wink*
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:28:32pm |
re: #53 shanec99
Last time I checked it was an open thread... meaning anything could be discussed.
um ... ok. you are less scared of burning to death than you are of islam. i get it.
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Athos Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:28:52pm |
re: #52 CyanSnowHawk
Herculean task. It's difficult enough to get people to clear the 100-200ft around their property. That's usually enough though. A friends parents home was saved by doing just that a number of years ago.
Pretty much all of the planned developments have wet zones built into their plans on the outer periphery - but the more isolated homes and older developments have to depend on clearing brush themselves in order to create a barrier. While some do, many do not - and while LA County Fire tries the best they can to inspect, some areas don't get done.
What is fortunate with this fire is that the winds are very calm - no Santa Ana conditions to drive the fire as normally happens in late Sept / early Oct fires.
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callahan23 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:29:12pm |
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Danny Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:29:44pm |
Okie dokie, done with work for the day. Hmm, should I go on a bike ride or start drinking? Decisions decisions...
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HelloDare Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:30:08pm |
Most of what's burning now is out in the wilderness. They aren't even trying to put some parts of it out.
They started using one of these. Image: firefighting-aircraft-2009-6-11-17-50-15.jpg
A Boeing 747 supertanker releases water during a demonstration of its firefighting ability to officials from California and the federal government in Sacramento, Calif., Thursday, June 11, 2009. The $50 million supertanker, developed by Evergreen International Aviation, can carry up to 20,500 gallons of water or fire retardant, which is twice as much as DC-10's that are currently being used under contract in California. (AP Photo/Rich Pedroncelli)
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CyanSnowHawk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:30:09pm |
re: #44 brookly red
But wasn't that what burnt last year? or somewhere near there?
That was the Sierra Madre fire and it burned a little South of the Station fire.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:30:37pm |
re: #17 Shug
and those fires seem to move so fast.
Why don't these communities chop down all this underbrush around these neighbornoods?
Looks like a lot of these areas are just tinder boxes waiting for a spark
I recall something which a veteran wildland firefighter told me. Hyper-aggressive firefighting (not allowing nature to take its course, and not using controlled burns) causes problems. Undergrowth builds up, creating fuel for the catastrophic "Big Ones".
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stuck in california Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:30:48pm |
re: #60 HoosierHoops
Nice to meet you..I'm a native who transfered to Indiana...Very close to you...
Let's keep in touch here...Oh Banning please! *wink*
Yeah, Banning, armpit of the universe...
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:31:14pm |
re: #61 _RememberTonyC
um ... ok. you are less scared of burning to death than you are of islam. i get it.
You are quite right about that! Last time I checked no fire had ever decided it must subjugate whole nations and murder those who whose cultural practices do not accomodate Islamic thought.
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:32:25pm |
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HelloDare Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:33:21pm |
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:33:27pm |
re: #66 HelloDare
Most of what's burning now is out in the wilderness. They aren't even trying to put some parts of it out.
They started using one of these. [Link: nimg.sulekha.com...]
Cool. Another reason to be proud .
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:34:33pm |
Hong Kong Broker Pulling A "Borat" On Sarah Palin
Hopefully Sarah Palin realizes she's been invited to Hong Kong as a practical joke.
CLSA, the Asia-focused broker who invited Mrs. Palin as keynote speaker for an Asian investment conference, is well known for their cheeky takes on investment research.
In the past, they've polled Asian fortune tellers for index targets, hired anime cartoonists to draw Japanese research, and generally love to push the boundaries between entertainment and analysis. They are a real research firm, it's just that they love to sprinkle in some hilarity every now and then as a smart marketing gimmick.
Sarah Palin is this year's big laugh for them.
I suppose it could be a joke. I can't imagine that she's actually have anything interesting to say about international finance. Maybe they're just doing it for the publicity.
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mich-again Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:35:56pm |
re: #68 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I recall something which a veteran wildland firefighter told me. Hyper-aggressive firefighting (not allowing nature to take its course, and not using controlled burns) causes problems. Undergrowth builds up, creating fuel for the catastrophic "Big Ones".
Smokey says.. Care will prevent 9 out of 10 forest fires!
But that just means the 10th one will burn that much stronger.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:36:13pm |
re: #55 _RememberTonyC
Hoosier ... Cali is one of my favorite places in the world. But there are real extremes in the state. Extreme beauty (the coast, Lake Tahoe, the vineyards) and extreme danger (quakes, wildfires).
You know what is funnier than hell? Everybody in the world thinks natives are all liberals and shit...We suck..Reagan State...There was a time when we were young 21 year old boys up in the Country...If you walked into a bar in Napa from the City and talked trash..You got knocked out...Lots of farm boys in those days...We have all grown up...We found out that everybody gets rich if you welcome tourists with open arms...
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Ringo the Gringo Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:36:47pm |
I'm sitting under that mountain of smoke right now, and it's nearly unbreathable.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:36:59pm |
re: #70 shanec99
You are quite right about that! Last time I checked no fire had ever decided it must subjugate whole nations and murder those who whose cultural practices do not accomodate Islamic thought.
as long as we make sure not subject ourselves to sharia law, i can avoid the terror of islam. but if i live in the wrong place at the wrong time, I may not be able to avoid being burned to death. so let's agree to compromise here. we stand guard against radical islam and also pray we don't burn to death in a fire.
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brookly red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:37:09pm |
re: #75 Killgore Trout
Hong Kong Broker Pulling A "Borat" On Sarah Palin
I suppose it could be a joke. I can't imagine that she's actually have anything interesting to say about international finance. Maybe they're just doing it for the publicity.
couldn't wait huh?
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yochanan Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:37:39pm |
re: #58 jaunte
shrubs I knew someone would blame this on bush
///
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:38:28pm |
re: #79 _RememberTonyC
as long as we make sure not subject ourselves to sharia law, i can avoid the terror of islam. but if i live in the wrong place at the wrong time, I may not be able to avoid being burned to death. so let's agree to compromise here. we stand guard against radical islam and also pray we don't burn to death in a fire.
you have the last word.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:38:34pm |
re: #69 stuck in california
Yeah, Banning, armpit of the universe...
Why not move to Walnut Creek and order a burial plot?
*wink*
Nice meeting you
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:38:36pm |
re: #77 HoosierHoops
You know what is funnier than hell? Everybody in the world thinks natives are all liberals and shit...We suck..Reagan State...There was a time when we were young 21 year old boys up in the Country...If you walked into a bar in Napa from the City and talked trash..You got knocked out...Lots of farm boys in those days...We have all grown up...We found out that everybody gets rich if you welcome tourists with open arms...
LOL ... and I have dropped plenty of coin over the years in Cali! And I hope to do it again soon!
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:39:19pm |
Someone is going around and spreading another ridiculous smear against me:
[Link: forum.darwincentral.org...]
The same person posted in that Free Republic thread.
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:39:29pm |
re: #81 Ojoe
Too bad there's not a fleet of these dropping in relays. Seems like it would be a good investment and a lot cheaper than rebuilding these communities.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:39:34pm |
re: #78 Ringo the Gringo
I'm sitting under that mountain of smoke right now, and it's nearly unbreathable.
jeez Ringo ... be safe
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:39:52pm |
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:40:03pm |
re: #82 yochanan
shrubs I knew someone would blame this on bush
///
hmmm... bush... well habitats without bushes can't support much life.
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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:40:13pm |
re: #4 snowcrash
Anyone heard from Racer X and Pvt BinJammin who are in the area?
Not related to the fire, but on that theme, has anyone heard from FurryOldGuyJeans since Aug. 7th? (I think that was the date of his most recent post.)
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:40:21pm |
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HelloDare Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:40:53pm |
I think planes should drop water balloons it would probably be more effective. Seriously. It takes awhile to fly to where they are doing the drop. Could have a machine tying water balloons.
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Athos Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:41:06pm |
re: #87 LGoPs
Yesterday the DC10 and 747's were running fire retardant drops ahead of the fire to channel it away from structures in Acton...
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:41:24pm |
re: #86 Charles
Someone is going around and spreading another ridiculous smear against me:
[Link: forum.darwincentral.org...]
The same person posted in that Free Republic thread.
are you using the blood of muslim kids to make matzo again?
/
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:41:26pm |
re: #90 Ojoe
There are only two of them in existence.
I knew we only had a few but didn't realize it was that few? How 'bout a Cash for Martin Mars program?
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brookly red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:42:10pm |
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Athos Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:42:16pm |
re: #78 Ringo the Gringo
Was very bad as I drove through the Newhall Pass today - and this afternoon ash was falling over most of Valencia and the communities west of the 5.
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Danny Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:42:21pm |
re: #86 Charles
Someone is going around and spreading another ridiculous smear against me:
[Link: forum.darwincentral.org...]
The same person posted in that Free Republic thread.
I don't get it. Special Agent tells you to "bite me," then he/she agrees with you. WTF?
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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:43:17pm |
re: #86 Charles
"Charles conflates conservative sites with Stormfront."
Any "conservative" site that publishes Buchanan has conflated itself with Stormfront.
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HelloDare Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:44:16pm |
Big insult to Jihadists: Pork dumplings.
Pork in a burka.
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:45:10pm |
re: #86 Charles
Someone is going around and spreading another ridiculous smear against me:
[Link: forum.darwincentral.org...]
The same person posted in that Free Republic thread.
Liars and empty headed people always make the most noise... kind of like when an angry kid hammers an empty pot. Makes a lot of noise,
but does nothing useful.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:45:20pm |
This is funny...
Obama to address school children
President Obama announced that on September 8 — the first day of school for many children across America — he will deliver a national address directly to students on the importance of education. The President will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning. He will also call for a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators to ensure that every child in every school receives the best education possible so they can compete in the global economy for good jobs and live rewarding and productive lives as American citizens.
Florida GOP responds...
Greer Condemns Obama's Attempt to Indoctrinate Students
 Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer today released the following statement condemning President Obama's use of taxpayer dollars to indoctrinate America's children to his socialist agenda.
"As the father of four children, I am absolutely appalled that taxpayer dollars are being used to spread President Obama's socialist ideology. The idea that school children across our nation will be forced to watch the President justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other President, is not only infuriating, but goes against beliefs of the majority of Americans, while bypassing American parents through an invasive abuse of power.
Read the whole thing. It's hilarious.
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Racer X Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:46:18pm |
Live video of wildfires in SoCal
From CBS TV L.A.
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Honcho Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:46:51pm |
http://www.brandonriza.com/Video/HTML/ZeroPercentContained.html
check zis ozzer timelapz, lizards
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mich-again Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:46:58pm |
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zombie Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:47:08pm |
Heh. Just been asked to guest blog today's "Day Around the Bay" column on SFist (the San Francisco branch of the nationwide "Gothamist" chain).
My column (which I threw together in 25 minutes) should go live at 5pm. It's supposed to be about tonight's SF-area events and news bytes, but I think it may appeal to the wider lizard community!
I'll provide a direct link when it goes up in 15 minutes or so. And don't be afraid to drop a comment on the thread!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:47:22pm |
... the Democrats have no problem going against the majority of American people and usurping the rights of parents by sending Pied Piper Obama into the American classroom.
The Democrats have clearly lost the battle to maintain control of the message this summer, so now that school is back in session, President Obama has turned to American's children to spread his liberal lies, indoctrinating American's youngest children before they have a chance to decide for themselves."
Lol!
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Ojoe Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:47:38pm |
re: #97 LGoPs
All the remaining Martin Mars' are already converted to water bombers.
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:47:51pm |
I still have that annoying Wildfire song in my head. Buzzsawmonkey is pure eeevil.
Let's see if I can retaliate.
Hey, buzz. You and I both came from Chicago. Remember that horribly annoying Empire Carpets jingle? Huh?
*I still remember the freaking phone number at the end of it*
/ Arghhh
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Racer X Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:48:42pm |
re: #109 Killgore Trout
Lol!
Obama has sekrit mind control rays that will make our kids become socialist!
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snowcrash Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:49:03pm |
re: #105 Racer X
Racer, glad to see you. Hope you aren't in the fires path.
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HelloDare Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:49:26pm |
Hey, there is some talk about using water balloons.
Most important, said Cleary, the planes would drop the water bombs accurately from high above the flames instead of precariously skimming the smoldering hills, the way air tankers do now.
According to the U.S. Forest Service, there were 20 aerial firefighting accidents and 13 fatalities between 2006 and 1996. Cleary said it is easy to convince the pilots who fly these missions that there’s a better way.
The system is ready to be tested on a real fire on private land, Goddard said. The government requires extensive testing before new firefighting technology can be used on federal land.
The Forest Service has not yet run the numbers to see if buying thousands of disposable box-and-balloon kits at an initial price of $300 each can save enough money on equipment, manpower and other costs to make the technology worthwhile.
“It costs several millions of dollars to install a tank on an aircraft, and that lasts at least 15 years,” said Carl Bambarger, an expert in aerial firefighting with the Forest Service’s Technology and Development Center in San Dimas.
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CyanSnowHawk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:49:31pm |
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mich-again Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:49:33pm |
re: #109 Killgore Trout
President Obama has turned to American's children to spread his liberal lies, indoctrinating American's youngest children before they have a chance to decide for themselves."
Ooga Booga! Hide the kids..
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:49:34pm |
re: #111 LGoPs
I still have that annoying Wildfire song in my head. Buzzsawmonkey is pure eeevil.
Let's see if I can retaliate.
Hey, buzz. You and I both came from Chicago. Remember that horribly annoying Empire Carpets jingle? Huh?
*I still remember the freaking phone number at the end of it*
/ Arghhh
thank G-d you didn't go here ...
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DEZes Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:49:56pm |
re: #111 LGoPs
I still have that annoying Wildfire song in my head. Buzzsawmonkey is pure eeevil.
Let's see if I can retaliate.
Hey, buzz. You and I both came from Chicago. Remember that horribly annoying Empire Carpets jingle? Huh?
*I still remember the freaking phone number at the end of it*
/ Arghhh
It was played heavily in Indiana too.
Now its stuck in my head, Wheres that down ding trigger?
/
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:50:08pm |
re: #75 Killgore Trout
Hong Kong Broker Pulling A "Borat" On Sarah Palin
I suppose it could be a joke. I can't imagine that she's actually have anything interesting to say about international finance. Maybe they're just doing it for the publicity.
It wouldn't be the first time Palin got punk'd and didnt know it. Remember when the Canadian radio show pretended to be Sarkozy and she bought it?
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
"I just love killing those animals. Mmm, mmm, take away life, that is so fun," the fake Sarkozy says.
He proposes they go hunting together by helicopter, something he says he has never done.
"Well, I think we could have a lot of fun together while we're getting work done," Palin counters. "We can kill two birds with one stone that way."
The comedian jokes that they shouldn't bring Cheney along on the hunt, referring to the 2006 incident in which the vice-president shot and injured a friend while hunting quail.
"I'll be a careful shot," responds Palin.
Playing off the governor's much-mocked comment in an early television interview that she had insights into foreign policy because "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska," the caller tells her: "You know we have a lot in common also, because ... from my house I can see Belgium."
She replies: "Well, see, we're right next door to different countries that we all need to be working with, yes."
What an embarrassment.
I have never understood how her handlers, or the McCain campaign, let that call through.
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:51:31pm |
re: #119 DEZes
It was played heavily in Indiana too.
Now its stuck in my head, Wheres that down ding trigger?
/
LOL. Sorry...
:)
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Racer X Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:51:32pm |
re: #105 Racer X
Live video of wildfires in SoCal
From CBS TV L.A.
Helicopter pilot just said Mars will drop on Mt. Wilson at 5:15 PM PST. They will show it.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:51:32pm |
re: #112 jaunte
Pied Piper Obama? Good grief.
A couple a lefty sites were writing about it but didn't link to the press release. I thought it was a parody at first but it seems to be real.
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mich-again Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:51:35pm |
re: #120 iceweasel
I have never understood how her handlers, or the McCain campaign, let that call through.
Inside job. They hated her.
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:51:55pm |
re: #107 mich-again
Making noise can be useful.
yeah I guess fire alarms and bull horns are useful, but more often than not in the hands of mischief makers they are more noted as an annoyance rather than for the utility they provide.
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calcajun Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:52:01pm |
Looks like the special effects from "Flash Gordon".
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doppelganglander Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:52:09pm |
re: #118 _RememberTonyC
I hate that song! It should be added to this list:
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:52:35pm |
re: #109 Killgore Trout
Lol!
"As the father of four children, I am absolutely appalled that taxpayer dollars are being used to spread President Obama's socialist ideology. The idea that school children across our nation will be forced to watch the President justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other President, is not only infuriating, but goes against beliefs of the majority of Americans, while bypassing American parents through an invasive abuse of power.
"While I support educating our children to respect both the office of the American President and the value of community service, I do not support using our children as tools to spread liberal propaganda. The address scheduled for September 8, 2009, does not allow for healthy debate on the President's agenda, but rather obligates the youngest children in our public school system to agree with our President's initiatives or be ostracized by their teachers and classmates.
Is this true? Teachers ostracizing kids for not properly supporting the president has happened before.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:52:40pm |
re: #120 iceweasel
I remember that one. I think her PR people now are just happy to have an invitation to anything. I'm not sure if they're smart enough to know if the invite is a hoax or not.
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Racer X Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:53:01pm |
re: #114 snowcrash
Racer, glad to see you. Hope you aren't in the fires path.
Thanks!
It is about 10 miles East of me. Smokey as hell here. No fire danger for my house, but others that are up against the brush could be in trouble.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:53:07pm |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
You would think they would be smart enough to wait until he actually addressed the students so they could comment on what was actually said. That is just ridiculous.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:53:21pm |
re: #128 doppelganglander
I hate that song! It should be added to this list:
Barney the Dinosaur should be in hamas' next show ...
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:53:37pm |
re: #4 snowcrash
I heard from PBJ on Monday. They hadn't ben evacuated, but the fire was less than a mile away from them. I heard on the radio late Monday that the neighborhood near PBJ that had been evacuated, was allowed home.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:53:54pm |
re: #129 FrogMarch
Is this true?
No, he's going to talk to them about doing their homework and studying to get good grades. No socialism involved.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:54:01pm |
re: #85 _RememberTonyC
LOL ... and I have dropped plenty of coin over the years in Cali! And I hope to do it again soon!
LOL
I've been considering telling stories about hanging at the local bar a 1/2 mile from the Yountville Veterans home as a 21 year old wearing cowboy hats drinking with 80 year old vets telling us war stories...
If you were a yuppie visiting in Napa Valley in those days talking trash..Driving a Beemer..You were in serious trouble...We deeply respected our dear Vet's and would let nobody talk trash on a Saturday night...All the stories they told...Magical
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DEZes Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:54:17pm |
Lizards, I am gonna bail.
Best wishes to those in the fires area, and best of luck.
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mich-again Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:55:07pm |
re: #126 shanec99
I work with a guy who worked a couple years in Venezuela and talked about how every night Chavez would come on TV to make a speech and right on queue thousands of people in the city would bang on pots and pans from their balconies.
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:55:34pm |
re: #137 DEZes
Lizards, I am gonna bail.
Best wishes to those in the fires area, and best of luck.
see ya DEZ...
:)
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Erik The Red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:56:11pm |
re: #131 Racer X
Thanks!
It is about 10 miles East of me. Smokey as hell here. No fire danger for my house, but others that are up against the brush could be in trouble.
Stay safe brother. If they tell you to get the hell out DO IT.
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Danny Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:56:30pm |
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:56:32pm |
re: #136 HoosierHoops
LOL
I've been considering telling stories about hanging at the local bar a 1/2 mile from the Yountville Veterans home as a 21 year old wearing cowboy hats drinking with 80 year old vets telling us war stories...
If you were a yuppie visiting in Napa Valley in those days talking trash..Driving a Beemer..You were in serious trouble...We deeply respected our dear Vet's and would let nobody talk trash on a Saturday night...All the stories they told...Magical
yuppies could be so pathetic ... they deserved to get their asses kicked ... just for fun.
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Ringo the Gringo Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:57:10pm |
re: #88 _RememberTonyC
jeez Ringo ... be safe
I'm miles from the flames, I've just been living under (or in) the massive smoke cloud for a few days.
And the temp has been over 100 for a week now.
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CyanSnowHawk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:57:11pm |
re: #138 mich-again
I work with a guy who worked a couple years in Venezuela and talked about how every night Chavez would come on TV to make a speech and right on queue thousands of people in the city would bang on pots and pans from their balconies.
I'm hungry as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!
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Altermite Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:57:49pm |
re: #124 mich-again
Inside job. They hated her.
Clearly, the whole sarkozy ordeal was some kind of conspiracy between the socialist canadians and the treacherous staffers in the McCain campaign to make her look silly.
/
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:57:50pm |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
No, he's going to talk to them about doing their homework and studying to get good grades. No socialism involved.
A snake may have every intention to not bite you... but it is always wise to maintain your distance and not give it the opportunity. It's instinctive response is to strike when the opportunity presents itself. I think government big goverment Liberals are similar to snakes in that respect.
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callahan23 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:57:56pm |
re: #137 DEZes
Lizards, I am gonna bail.
Best wishes to those in the fires area, and best of luck.
See ya.
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:58:13pm |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
No, he's going to talk to them about doing their homework and studying to get good grades. No socialism involved.
That's reassuring/.
I just heard that batshit insane right wing lunatic Victor Davis Hansen talk about it and he was concerned. I trust his instincts more than I do yours.
Sorry.
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:58:27pm |
re: #132 jaunte
You would think they would be smart enough to wait until he actually addressed the students so they could comment on what was actually said. That is just ridiculous.
Hey juante! Just a drive by to say that as long as Bill Ayers is such a big deal in educational circles, they don't need to worry about Obama, they need to review the public school curricula on a regular basis.
But mostly I dropped by to as CHARLES: are you safe out there? Those fires are horrible and just inhaling the smoke could be a serious danger to your health.
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Racer X Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:59:01pm |
re: #81 Ojoe
Hi Ojoe!
Hope you and yours are well. I heard on the radio they dropped a load of fire retardant from a Super Scooper onto Mt. Wilson just a short while ago.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:59:02pm |
re: #124 mich-again
Inside job. They hated her.
I know they did, but to hate her enough to do something that damages your own campaign like that? I don't buy it.
No, I think her own handlers were incompetent and she had such bad relations with the McCain campaign that they were at arm's length-- so the McCain folks never got a chance to block the call. She had a history of ignoring their advice anyway.
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Erik The Red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:59:08pm |
re: #144 Ringo the Gringo
I'm miles from the flames, I've just been living under (or in) the massive smoke cloud for a few days.
And the temp has been over 100 for a week now.
Be safe.
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snowcrash Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:59:09pm |
re: #134 Floral Giraffe
Thanks. If you hear from her again tell her how concerned we are and keep us posted.
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:59:13pm |
re: #138 mich-again
I work with a guy who worked a couple years in Venezuela and talked about how every night Chavez would come on TV to make a speech and right on queue thousands of people in the city would bang on pots and pans from their balconies.
Isnt that wonderful? Noise as a means of protesting tyranny.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 4:59:55pm |
Wow.
did anybody else find that video doubly disturbing - firstly, for Los Angeles, and secondly . . . for the similarity to videos of the towers falling?
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freetoken Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:00:14pm |
re: #129 FrogMarch
Have no doubts, what Greer is really concerned about is in this paragraph:
...
"Public schools can't teach children to speak out in support of the sanctity of human life or traditional marriage. President Obama and the Democrats wouldn't dream of allowing prayer in school. Christmas Parties are now Holiday Parties. But, the Democrats have no problem going against the majority of American people and usurping the rights of parents by sending Pied Piper Obama into the American classroom.
...
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:00:27pm |
re: #149 callahan23 Hey callahan23 - good to see you! Hope you're doing well my friend!
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:00:52pm |
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:01:29pm |
re: #160 realwest
hey realwest... long time no see... how r u?
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:01:43pm |
Evening, folks.
Last summer when there were wildfires in south Georgia we could smell them in Atlanta. It was not pleasant.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:01:43pm |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
No, he's going to talk to them about doing their homework and studying to get good grades. No socialism involved.
SKUL IS 4 TEH INTELEKSHUL ELIT!
Obama is expressing his usual arrogance and contempt for the real America, good decent folks, the common clay of the West.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:01:58pm |
re: #142 _RememberTonyC
yuppies could be so pathetic ... they deserved to get their asses kicked ... just for fun.
In the 70's Napa just blew up..Construction..Hollywood bigwigs ...Money out the ass...Every day there was a new winery...
Big money
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:02:35pm |
re: #134 Floral Giraffe
Hey there {Floral Giraffe} if you speak or chat with her please tell her our thoughts are with her - and if you can remember to, ask her if she knows if Desert Sage is ok, too?
Thank you very much!
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CyanSnowHawk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:02:41pm |
re: #144 Ringo the Gringo
I'm miles from the flames, I've just been living under (or in) the massive smoke cloud for a few days.
And the temp has been over 100 for a week now.
Could help be on the way?
This is one of those very rare occasions where my house falls under the 5-day warning cone of a hurricane.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:03:45pm |
"Liberal" was attempted to be made into a dirty word a few decades ago, and as far as certain groups in this country I suppose it still is.
However, the "progressives" have made a concerted effort to not totally lose this fight... so they have been not only trying to redeem the word "liberal" but have proposed synonyms (e.g., "progressive".)
So, to keep up the smear-wars, certain groups ("conservatives"?) now have to trot out the "Socialist" label to come up with a new dirty word.
That is what Greer's message is all about.
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callahan23 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:03:59pm |
re: #160 realwest
Hey callahan23 - good to see you! Hope you're doing well my friend!
All is well, thanks. Hope you do fine.
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:04:57pm |
re: #157 jaunte
Hey juante! I'm doing ok, just really tired these days, from doing chores and all - hope you're doing well?!
I'm actually gonna bail in a minute cause mom already called out "dinner's ready" but I'm hoping that Charles will answer my #151 and say he's safe!!
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Truck Monkey Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:05:15pm |
re: #137 DEZes
Lizards, I am gonna bail.
Best wishes to those in the fires area, and best of luck.
In bed.
/I'm sorry... I just can't give it up.
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doppelganglander Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:05:20pm |
re: #146 zombie
OK, here it is!:
zombietime guest-blogs SFist's Day Around the Bay column.
Do comment!
I can't comment there, since I'm not registered, but congratulations!
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:05:24pm |
Has anyone encountered that Jerk Pork eating, Jamaican who lives in Canada (that goes by the name White Rasta) recently?
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:05:48pm |
re: #150 LGoPs
That's reassuring/.
I just heard that batshit insane right wing lunatic Victor Davis Hansen talk about it and he was concerned. I trust his instincts more than I do yours.
Sorry.
From Obama's perspective, maybe the 5-14 demographic is the one segment where his approval hasn't tanked. Time for an ego boost!
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:06:36pm |
re: #174 shanec99
Has anyone encountered that Jerk Pork eating, Jamaican who lives in Canada (that goes by the name White Rasta) recently?
As long as it isn't Long Pork.
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:06:40pm |
re: #162 shanec99 How r u? What, are we tweetering now?! LOL! I'm doing ok my friend - I'm usually on the DT and sometimes the late night threads, but have been not feeling well enough to do much on LGF during the day.
How've you been doing?
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zombie Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:06:54pm |
re: #173 doppelganglander
I can't comment there, since I'm not registered, but congratulations!
They require registration?!?!?
Drat! &$!@&^@@#%*&@#~!
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jaunte Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:06:57pm |
re: #150 LGoPs
That's reassuring/.
I just heard that batshit insane right wing lunatic Victor Davis Hansen talk about it and he was concerned. I trust his instincts more than I do yours.
Sorry.
Has VDH written anything about it online, or did you just see a broadcast?
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:07:58pm |
re: #177 realwest
How r u? What, are we tweetering now?! LOL! I'm doing ok my friend - I'm usually on the DT and sometimes the late night threads, but have been not feeling well enough to do much on LGF during the day.
How've you been doing?
Good to be home from Africa, and the Sharia advocates... retiring from the Navy next spring.
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:08:11pm |
re: #179 jaunte
Has VDH written anything about it online, or did you just see a broadcast?
Heard him talking on Hugh Hewitt.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:08:33pm |
Wow, good deals on older photo equipment are getting harder to find on eBay. There are armies of deal-finders out there who must spend all day just watching as new items get posted.
A few minutes ago an older camera system was posted as part of an estate sale (and obviously the child selling off their parent's belongings didn't know the true value of the gear - it was underpriced by about 40%.)
Long story short - within the time it took me to write a message to the seller... the auction was sold ("buy it now.")
We're talking only a couple of minutes after it was posted.
/There's an analogy in there about women, I suppose...
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:08:34pm |
re: #150 LGoPs
I just heard that batshit insane right wing lunatic Victor Davis Hansen talk about it and he was concerned. I trust his instincts more than I do yours.
Sorry.
Michelle malkin is hyperventilating over this too. She's linking to Ron Paul as the source of the scoop. Enjoy your freakout.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:08:40pm |
re: #169 freetoken
"Liberal" was attempted to be made into a dirty word a few decades ago, and as far as certain groups in this country I suppose it still is.
However, the "progressives" have made a concerted effort to not totally lose this fight... so they have been not only trying to redeem the word "liberal" but have proposed synonyms (e.g., "progressive".)
So, to keep up the smear-wars, certain groups ("conservatives"?) now have to trot out the "Socialist" label to come up with a new dirty word.
That is what Greer's message is all about.
Absolutely. It's no different than the push (Thanks to Jonah Goldberg, the Pantload) to call liberal fascists or totalitarian.
Similarly, listen to Glnn Bk. He'll say Obama is a 'socialist communist Marxist' .
It's basically about stringing together words intended to frighten people, with no regard for the meanings of those words.
Best review of Goldberg ever: "Liberal Fascism: Two Words Next to Each Other."
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:08:46pm |
re: #176 Lucius Septimius
As long as it isn't Long Pork.
No such thing as a Jamaican cannibal... what do you think we are?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:08:55pm |
re: #179 jaunte
Has VDH written anything about it online, or did you just see a broadcast?
Not that I know of (yet). He was on Hugh Hewitts radio show today. Perhaps there's something on Hewitts site
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:09:20pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:09:23pm |
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:09:41pm |
re: #177 realwest
How r u? What, are we tweetering now?! LOL! I'm doing ok my friend - I'm usually on the DT and sometimes the late night threads, but have been not feeling well enough to do much on LGF during the day.
How've you been doing?
Chasing women and preparing for life as a civilian. Well they are one and the same arn't they?
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jamgarr Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:09:57pm |
re: #50 stuck in california
Used to live in Banning, escaped a couple of years ago to downstate Illinois. back to my hometown.
Whereabouts? I'm originally from Mt. Vernon.
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Ojoe Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:10:06pm |
re: #116 CyanSnowHawk
The Mars is the only flying boat among them.
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Shug Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:10:12pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:10:14pm |
re: #155 snowcrash
I will! I had asked about them & someone sent my email.
They wanted everyone to know they were safe.
They have family in the area, so if they need to get out, they have a good place to go.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:10:53pm |
re: #187 sattv4u2
I see the main objection is to this line in the advance 'study guide':
Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals.
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debutaunt Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:11:11pm |
re: #104 Killgore Trout
This is funny...
Obama to address school children
Read the whole thing. It's hilarious.
Did you read the classroom activity documents?
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:11:20pm |
re: #191 shanec99
Chasing women and preparing for life as a civilian. Well they are one and the same arn't they?
Depends on how old you are my man! Congrats on retiring from the Navy and thank you very much for your service to our Nation!
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:11:34pm |
re: #188 buzzsawmonkey
They play the Empire thing in New York, too.
Do you remember Lynn Burton for Bert Weinman, your TV Ford Man?
Or, "Nickey, Nickey, Nickey, Nickey, Nickey Chevrolet!--the car with the backwards K!"
Arghhh. I haven't thought about Bert Weinman in years...His commercials used to run a lot on Sundays. We lived pretty close to his dealership.
Thanks for the memories...NOT.
:)
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brookly red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:12:19pm |
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:12:42pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:12:49pm |
re: #196 shanec99
thank you
You're welcome. I looked for Albusteve too, because I haven't seen him post in a few. He was logged in today, though. I hope he's fine.
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:13:09pm |
re: #199 realwest
Depends on how old you are my man! Congrats on retiring from the Navy and thank you very much for your service to our Nation!
Man, I am, so old that when I pich a girl's bun, she thinks its cute... and it was my privilege to wear the uniform.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:13:49pm |
I read through some of the lesson plan to go along with Obama's speech this morning. A couple of things bugged me (and this is speaking as someone who has trained and observed student teachers and written elementary school curricula).
1) I don't recall ever in school having heard a speech from a president. Maybe it happened, but recalling the folks who were in the White House at some point during my school career (JBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Reagan) I just don't remember it ever happening. This strikes me as unprecedented and thus potentially a point of concern.
2) The questions the teachers were supposed to ask were intended to have the result of kids going home from school and asking the parents about specific policies. The goal would seem to be to play on the kids' emotions and thus the parent's emotions -- to force the latter into supporting, at least in the presence of the kids -- policies they might not otherwise agree with. That sort of emotional manipulation of children and parents is par for the course for Bill Ahrers and much of the far left educational elite. (Cf. Sandra Stotsky's work)
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:13:51pm |
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JCM Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:14:08pm |
The Mount Wilson webserver has gone down, most likely due to a backfire infiltration of a pull box containing telephone lines that bring us our T1 internet service. The will be no more updates from the Towercam, the last one being upoaded at 13:49:06.
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:14:09pm |
re: #206 buzzsawmonkey
Here's the kicker: did you ever watch Big Bill Hill?
No memory of that. What was it?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:14:56pm |
As an excersize in civics, I have no problem with children wtiring a letter to the Pres about what a CHILD can do to help the country, or what a childs expectations are FROM the gov't.
That stated, I would LOVE to get an advanced copy of what The 0ne will say to the children!
Also, will schools make this mandatory? Meaning, if you have a child in a school thats showing the Pres live on TV and you decide to take your kid out for lunch while he's on, does the child get a failing grade somewhere?
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realwest Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:16:08pm |
Well y'all I gotta go eat now if Charles shows up and comments again, would someone ask him if he's safe, please - I know he said yesterday that he was, but that was yesterday and out here on the East Coast they're calling it "LA's Burning"!
I can check in later just to see if he responded.
Best wishes, prayers and good luck to all our friends and lizards in the wildfire areas - and in Austin Texas too - they are apparently running out of water!
Have a great night y'all - hope I get the chance to see y'all down the road!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:16:17pm |
re: #204 wrenchwench
You're welcome. I looked for Albusteve too, because I haven't seen him post in a few. He was logged in today, though. I hope he's fine.
I have a email out to Steve. I know why he is gone, and I am trying to touch base with him. If I hear from him, and he gives me permission to say hi to everyone, I will.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:16:39pm |
re: #185 iceweasel
Absolutely. It's no different than the push (Thanks to Jonah Goldberg, the Pantload) to call liberal fascists or totalitarian.
Similarly, listen to Glnn Bk. He'll say Obama is a 'socialist communist Marxist' .
It's basically about stringing together words intended to frighten people, with no regard for the meanings of those words.
Best review of Goldberg ever: "Liberal Fascism: Two Words Next to Each Other."
I disagree on Goldberg's book -- I think he makes a very good case concerning the relationship between the American left in the 1920s and fascism. It's more than just two words.
He has, however, said that in retrospect he didn't like the subtitle. And the dust cover image wasn't his first choice either, but the publisher almost always wins on those fights.
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Danny Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:16:55pm |
re: #212 sattv4u2
Some people are advocating keeping their kids home on Sept. 8th:
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:16:57pm |
re: #212 sattv4u2
As an excersize in civics, I have no problem with children wtiring a letter to the Pres about what a CHILD can do to help the country, or what a childs expectations are FROM the gov't.
That stated, I would LOVE to get an advanced copy of what The 0ne will say to the children!
Also, will schools make this mandatory? Meaning, if you have a child in a school thats showing the Pres live on TV and you decide to take your kid out for lunch while he's on, does the child get a failing grade somewhere?
Question 1 on the homework assignment...
Have you heard anything "fishy" about Obamacare?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:17:00pm |
re: #8 Shug
re: #21 shanec99
I can think of many things more scary than that...
1. Being born a woman in a Muslim family and falling in love with a Christian.
2. Deciding to come out of the closet in Tehran.
3. Being Jewish after dark in a Muslim community in Paris.
4. Being a barber and granting a customer's request to shave his beard in Pakistan.
5. Being a little girl at school in Saudi Arabia in the event of a fire.need I continue?
Actually, since all of those things could result in death by burning, I'm not sure you've disproven the initial point.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:17:13pm |
re: #209 JCM
The Mount Wilson webserver has gone down, most likely due to a backfire infiltration of a pull box containing telephone lines that bring us our T1 internet service. The will be no more updates from the Towercam, the last one being upoaded at 13:49:06.
I had an e-mail very early today at work stating some of our POPS (points of presence where our fibers optics connect and are switched) were in danger
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:17:44pm |
re: #146 zombie
I've been collecting Obama protest death threats that didn't result in arrests since we last talked...
My Favorite: LaRouche Democrats say Obama-Hitler should be Hanged for Crimes
Euthanasia rumor continues to dog Grassley
Republicans joke about killing the President at GOP event...
Pastor Of Gun-Toter At Obama Event Prayed For Obama To Die Chris Broughto (This one probably doesn't count because the death wish wasn't actually made at the protest and the Secret Service did eventually get involved)
I turn up one or two a week.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:17:45pm |
re: #216 Danny
Our kids are always at home, but that's because we home school.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:18:15pm |
re: #44 brookly red
But wasn't that what burnt last year? or somewhere near there?
It all grows back...
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HelloDare Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:18:17pm |
Is there some kind of Moonbat Competition going on?
This was just linked at Hot Air:
Robert Reich: Why the deficit hysteria? I only wish we'd borrow more
'At every stage in the growth of the debt it has been seriously asserted by wise men that bankruptcy and ruin were at hand. Yet still the debt went on growing, and still bankruptcy and ruin were as remote as ever." So wrote Lord Thomas Macaulay, the great 19th-century British historian. He was alluding to the English public debt, but he might as well have been referring to the United States in the 21st century.
Last week the White House announced that deficits over the next 10 years are likely to be worse than it had thought – and, as expected, the same old group of deficit hysterics went ballistic. "A 10-year deficit of $9tn is $30,000 for each man, woman and child in the United States!" Kabaam. "Public debt will total a whopping $17.5tn by 2019 – three-quarters of the nation's entire economy!" Kaboom. "The number would send Reagan's stack of $1,000 bills into satellite orbit!" Zowee.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:18:31pm |
re: #207 Lucius Septimius
There may be legitimate social concerns about a President trying to influence political discourse by working through school systems.
Yet, as we saw in the Greer (FL GOP) message, the political whipping posts of school prayer, "traditional" marriage, and abortion are being offered as the counter-attack.
It is a sad statement about the opposition political party when they can't argue the political ethics of a proposal but have to instead turn to hot-button social issues to gain any support.
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:18:47pm |
re: #207 Lucius Septimius
Emotions. Powerful stuff.
In public education, we've gotten away from teaching kids how to think.. It's all about feelings and emotions.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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Erik The Red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:18:49pm |
re: #214 Walter L. Newton
I have a email out to Steve. I know why he is gone, and I am trying to touch base with him. If I hear from him, and he gives me permission to say hi to everyone, I will.
That seems to be happening with a lot of Lizards lately. :((
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:19:04pm |
re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist
re: #21 shanec99
Actually, since all of those things could result in death by burning, I'm not sure you've disproven the initial point.
That was the point I was making. There are things as scary or scarier than being in the vicinity of a forest fire and at risk to be burned alive.
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Truck Monkey Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:19:45pm |
re: #213 realwest
Well y'all I gotta go eat now if Charles shows up and comments again, would someone ask him if he's safe, please - I know he said yesterday that he was, but that was yesterday and out here on the East Coast they're calling it "LA's Burning"!
I can check in later just to see if he responded.
Best wishes, prayers and good luck to all our friends and lizards in the wildfire areas - and in Austin Texas too - they are apparently running out of water!
Have a great night y'all - hope I get the chance to see y'all down the road!
Not meaning to speak for him or anything, but he did say the other day that he is south of where the fires are and is not in any danger.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:19:52pm |
re: #224 HelloDare
Is there some kind of Moonbat Competition going on?
This was just linked at Hot Air:
Funny, just last week Reich was calling Obama's actions on healthcare a threat to democracy.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:19:52pm |
re: #227 Erik The Red
That seems to be happening with a lot of Lizards lately. :((
Speaking of which
Vegas Rick?? I e-mailed him several days ago! NADA (nor have I "seen" him here)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:19:59pm |
re: #70 shanec99
You are quite right about that! Last time I checked no fire had ever decided it must subjugate whole nations and murder those who whose cultural practices do not accomodate Islamic thought.
One of these days, one of these wildfires is gonna give that a try. However, we have really, really good firefighters around here.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:20:22pm |
re: #225 freetoken
It is a sad statement about the opposition political party when they can't argue the political ethics of a proposal but have to instead turn to hot-button social issues to gain any support.
True, but that doesn't excuse what strikes me as a naked attempt to influence public opinion by emotionally manipulating children.
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callahan23 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:20:40pm |
Need to get to sleep. Tomorrows work will be tough.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:21:36pm |
re: #79 _RememberTonyC
as long as we make sure not subject ourselves to sharia law, i can avoid the terror of islam. but if i live in the wrong place at the wrong time, I may not be able to avoid being burned to death. so let's agree to compromise here. we stand guard against radical islam and also pray we don't burn to death in a fire.
OK. No acceptance of sharia. No burning to death. Check.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:21:39pm |
re: #221 Killgore Trout
I've been collecting Obama protest death threats that didn't result in arrests since we last talked...
My Favorite: LaRouche Democrats say Obama-Hitler should be Hanged for CrimesEuthanasia rumor continues to dog Grassley
Republicans joke about killing the President at GOP event...
Pastor Of Gun-Toter At Obama Event Prayed For Obama To Die Chris Broughto (This one probably doesn't count because the death wish wasn't actually made at the protest and the Secret Service did eventually get involved)
I turn up one or two a week.
Yeah, that's sure to get people to consider the GOP as a responsible party compared with the profligate spending of the Democrats. Where are the rest of the American public supposed to turn when you've got clowns on the left and Jokers on the right (literally and figuratively).
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Erik The Red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:21:44pm |
re: #235 callahan23
Need to get to sleep. Tomorrows work will be tough.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!
Been great as usual Cal23. SweeT dreams.
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:21:57pm |
re: #215 Lucius Septimius
There is nothing liberal about fascism.
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BatGuano Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:22:17pm |
re: #227 Erik The Red
I would also like to see an update on those who have not been heard from fro awhile: It's troubling.
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wrenchwench Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:22:17pm |
re: #235 callahan23
Have a good sleep. You are tougher than tomorrow's work!
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JCM Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:22:38pm |
re: #224 HelloDare
Is there some kind of Moonbat Competition going on?
This was just linked at Hot Air:
Unfunded mandates for Social Security and Medicare and another $65 Trillion. Were only taking $450,000 per working individual in the US.
Just relax, no big deal! //
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:22:51pm |
re: #211 BatGuano
Hi Bat, I got an email from PBJ on Monday & they wanted me to say "hi" to you & let you know they're safe, for now.
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avanti Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:23:18pm |
re: #216 Danny
Some people are advocating keeping their kids home on Sept. 8th:
Do they think there kids will get a Vulcan mind meld or something ? I pity those weak minded kids later in life when they hear really controversial speakers, or read Mao's little red book for example. Taking your kid out of school so as to to hear a motivational speech by the POTUS is just strange.
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debutaunt Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:23:21pm |
re: #203 Pianobuff
What are those?
If you open the link that Killgore provided, it has two word documents that outline a busy day of Obama activities for the kiddies.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:23:34pm |
re: #226 FrogMarch
Emotions. Powerful stuff.
In public education, we've gotten away from teaching kids how to think.. It's all about feelings and emotions.[Link: www.amazon.com...]
It's weird how E.D. Hirsch and Dianne Ravitsch have virtually disappeared from view. I never agreed with all their views, but they were among the few education scholars who were willing to take a serious look at what had happened to curricula and offer some solutions.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:23:50pm |
re: #237 lawhawk
Yeah, that's sure to get people to consider the GOP as a responsible party compared with the profligate spending of the Democrats. Where are the rest of the American public supposed to turn when you've got clowns on the left and Jokers on the right (literally and figuratively).
I say we start the Lizard Party!
You, of course, will be our 1st Attorney General
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Sharmuta Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:23:53pm |
re: #244 buzzsawmonkey
That doesn't mean there can't be fascist elements to liberalism.
I think it's authoritarian issues being confused for fascism.
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:24:10pm |
re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist
One of these days, one of these wildfires is gonna give that a try. However, we have really, really good firefighters around here.
heh heh heh... a kindred spirit.
A good firefighter uses water judiciously to solve problems... like the Jews who made the desert bloom... a pity the murderers organized by Hamas can't learn anything about employing water constructively.
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zombie Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:24:27pm |
re: #221 Killgore Trout
I've been collecting Obama protest death threats that didn't result in arrests since we last talked...
My Favorite: LaRouche Democrats say Obama-Hitler should be Hanged for CrimesEuthanasia rumor continues to dog Grassley
Republicans joke about killing the President at GOP event...
Pastor Of Gun-Toter At Obama Event Prayed For Obama To Die Chris Broughto (This one probably doesn't count because the death wish wasn't actually made at the protest and the Secret Service did eventually get involved)
I turn up one or two a week.
Thanks! I've bookmarked your comment and will look into each link and add them to the report, as time allows.
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Pianobuff Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:24:34pm |
re: #237 lawhawk
Yeah, that's sure to get people to consider the GOP as a responsible party compared with the profligate spending of the Democrats. Where are the rest of the American public supposed to turn when you've got clowns on the left and Jokers on the right (literally and figuratively).
I've been intrigued by some of the more recent polling, and although the numbers are surprisingly starting to favor the GOP, I'm concluding that it's more because the public has a growing anti-incumbency attitude... a "More D's, more D's to get rid of, Fewer R's, fewer R's to complain about" kind of thing.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:24:39pm |
re: #247 Lucius Septimius
It's weird how E.D. Hirsch and Dianne Ravitsch have virtually disappeared from view. I never agreed with all their views, but they were among the few education scholars who were willing to take a serious look at what had happened to curricula and offer some solutions.
E.D. Hirsch was on the radio here in Denver, talk show, Monday morning, yesterday, he has a new book out.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:24:55pm |
Look who's coming to dinner...
Cabinet Members, Ambassadors, Prominent Muslims To Attend W.H. Ramadan Dinner
he White House has released a list of some of the guests expected at tonight's Ramadan dinner hosted by President Obama. Cabinet members, members of Congress, ambassadors from around the world and many members of the Muslim community are expected to attend.Click through for the full list.
Rabbi Nathan Diament?
Dr. Ingrid Mattson, President, Islamic Society of North America
...etc
Didn't spot any CAIR members on that list. Did I miss it?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:24:56pm |
re: #245 avanti
Do they think there kids will get a Vulcan mind meld or something ? I pity those weak minded kids later in life when they hear really controversial speakers, or read Mao's little red book for example. Taking your kid out of school so as to to hear a motivational speech by the POTUS is just strange.
The President taking time to make a "motivational speech" to a captive audience is strange also!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:24:57pm |
re: #132 jaunte
You would think they would be smart enough to wait until he actually addressed the students so they could comment on what was actually said. That is just ridiculous.
You would think they would not get so het up about this. The president is going to address the schoolchildren of the nation.
THAT'S NICE.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:25:07pm |
re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, the firefighters are all REAL HEROES!
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austin_blue Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:26:09pm |
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Shug Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:26:13pm |
re: #224 HelloDare
Is there some kind of Moonbat Competition going on?
This was just linked at Hot Air:
and the republicans are worrying about a fucking birth certificate when this type of insanity is right in front of their faces!
the democrats are trying to lose if we'd only let them
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freetoken Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:26:20pm |
re: #245 avanti
Exactly. Why not just inform your kids that they are going to hear a speech which will attempt to influence them, and that after they hear it discuss it with them?
If a parent can't (in a general sense) explain to their kids why they think a certain argument is wrong, then how are the children going to learn to disagree with what they hear (in a socially acceptable manner)?
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zombie Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:26:56pm |
re: #224 HelloDare
Is there some kind of Moonbat Competition going on?
This was just linked at Hot Air:Robert Reich: Why the deficit hysteria? I only wish we'd borrow more
Hey, I was just at a party with Robert Reich!
I purposely did not raise the topic of politics.
/And yes, you simply would not believe how short he is, in person. Barely over 4 feet tall.
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JCM Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:26:58pm |
re: #248 sattv4u2
I say we start the Lizard Party!
You, of course, will be our 1st Attorney General
We'll rename the office of course...
Lord High Executioner!
;-)
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shanec99 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:27:10pm |
goodbye yall... gotta go and God be with you. Keep fighting the good fight.
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avanti Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:27:35pm |
re: #255 sattv4u2
The President taking time to make a "motivational speech" to a captive audience is strange also!
Not if you think education improvements start with the students and their parents.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:27:47pm |
Don't schoolkids still take the President's Physical Fitness Test?
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JCM Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:28:07pm |
re: #257 Floral Giraffe
Yes, the firefighters are all REAL HEROES!
Firefighters are just pyromaniacs who had good parents!
/ former nozzlehead
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:28:15pm |
re: #239 Sharmuta
There is nothing liberal about fascism.
No there isn't -- and that's sort of the point of the book. American "liberals" are good-old-fashioned leftists and no friends of "liberty" in the way that nineteenth and early twentieth century "liberals" understood the concept.
One of the greatest myths of the twentieth century is that the fascists in France, Italy, and Spain were "right wing." They weren't -- the movements were outgrowths of far left anarchist and anarcho-syndicalist movements that emerged after the breakdown of the second International in the 1870s. American leftists, following directives from Russia in the early 1920s, went out of their way to create the image that Mussolini was a conservative. American "progressives" (who were trying to construct a form of socialism that would work in America") bought into the project.
Goldberg documents what happened very well; his sources are sound even if the overall package is more "journalistic" than historical.
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Erik The Red Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:28:22pm |
re: #240 BatGuano
I would also like to see an update on those who have not been heard from fro awhile: It's troubling.
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:28:53pm |
re: #249 Sharmuta
I think it's authoritarian issues being confused for fascism.
Authoritarian: favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to individual freedom: authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes.
2. of or pertaining to a governmental or political system, principle, or practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the people.
Authoritarian doesn't seem to be any friendlier a term when associated with liberalism.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:29:04pm |
re: #262 zombie
Hey, I was just at a party with Robert Reich!
I purposely did not raise the topic of politics.
/And yes, you simply would not believe how short he is, in person. Barely over 4 feet tall.
Geezz ,, I know. I was at a function with him also. I'm just a tad over 5'6" myself and he would need a step ladder to kiss my ass!
NOT that I wanted him too, mind you
NTTAWWT, mind you!!
/
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avanti Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:29:33pm |
re: #261 freetoken
Exactly. Why not just inform your kids that they are going to hear a speech which will attempt to influence them, and that after they hear it discuss it with them?
If a parent can't (in a general sense) explain to their kids why they think a certain argument is wrong, then how are the children going to learn to disagree with what they hear (in a socially acceptable manner)?
If the students only do that, at least it gets the parents and kids discussing something from school.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:29:34pm |
re: #268 JCM
Thank you for your service!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:29:42pm |
re: #266 avanti
Not if you think education improvements start with the students and their parents.
Then why isn't he talking to the parents 1st and foremost?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:31:00pm |
re: #257 Floral Giraffe
Yes, the firefighters are all REAL HEROES!
My God, are they ever. The nerve it must take to go toward one of those big burns...
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Truck Monkey Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:32:16pm |
re: #275 sattv4u2
Then why isn't he talking to the parents 1st and foremost?
They tend to talk back and have opinions and can form reasoned arguments. The little ones, not so much. I do think that it is kind of cool that The Teleprompter Jesus is going to talk with the kids BTW.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:34:01pm |
re: #277 SanFranciscoZionist
My God, are they ever. The nerve it must take to go toward one of those big burns...
I always think back to what I had to witness during 9/11, all those people running AWAY from the buildings while the fire/policemen were running TOWARDS it. Some of them must have known this was the day they could certainly die, yet they never hesitated
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CapeCoddah Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:34:28pm |
re: #261 freetoken
Exactly. Why not just inform your kids that they are going to hear a speech which will attempt to influence them, and that after they hear it discuss it with them?
If a parent can't (in a general sense) explain to their kids why they think a certain argument is wrong, then how are the children going to learn to disagree with what they hear (in a socially acceptable manner)?
Good evening everyone!
There is more to Obama's speech to the children, it surely WILL be motivational...[Link: www.docstoc.com...]
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avanti Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:35:20pm |
re: #275 sattv4u2
Then why isn't he talking to the parents 1st and foremost?
Because they are not in the classroom, and as easy to reach. Get the kids motivated and you may get their parents involved. We all must have one teacher, or mentor the motivated us, maybe the POTUS will reach a few, especially those that most need some hope.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:36:34pm |
re: #281 avanti
Because they are not in the classroom, and as easy to reach. Get the kids motivated and you may get their parents involved. We all must have one teacher, or mentor the motivated us, maybe the POTUS will reach a few, especially those that most need some hope.
Just as I said ,,, a CAPTIVE audience. Thanks for aggreeing!
HOPE ,, CHANGE!!
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:36:54pm |
re: #281 avanti
Because they are not in the classroom, and as easy to reach. Get the kids motivated and you may get their parents involved. We all must have one teacher, or mentor the motivated us, maybe the POTUS will reach a few, especially those that most need some hope.
And you would have supported George Bush doing the same of course.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:37:01pm |
re: #281 avanti
Because they are not in the classroom, and as easy to reach. Get the kids motivated and you may get their parents involved. We all must have one teacher, or mentor the motivated us, maybe the POTUS will reach a few, especially those that most need some hope.
The children are being indoctrinated, and used for political purpose, see my 280.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:37:22pm |
re: #280 CapeCoddah
LTNS ,, where have you been, and more important, how are you?
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:37:52pm |
re: #280 CapeCoddah
Good evening everyone!
There is more to Obama's speech to the children, it surely WILL be motivational...[Link: www.docstoc.com...]
Note carefully -- students are supposed to identify things that need to be done by themselves and their parents; they are supposed to take on "projects" and they will be GRADED on those projects (note the "graph progress" part at the end.)
Back in 1972, I don't recall Richard Nixon telling me that my parents and I needed to do things and my teachers basing part of my grade on accomplishing goals articulated by the president.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:38:45pm |
re: #285 sattv4u2
Hey Satt, BUSY summer... been worked like a red headed stepchild!
All is well, thanks for asking, and I hope the same is true of you!
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jaunte Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:38:53pm |
Maybe after the speech the students can discuss what makes a green job green.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:39:48pm |
re: #288 jaunte
Maybe after the speech the students can discuss what makes a green job green.
Simple: let working class folk make less money so upper middle-class and rich folks can by stuff that will make them feel superior to the rest of us.
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Truck Monkey Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:39:56pm |
re: #288 jaunte
Maybe after the speech the students can discuss what makes a green job green.
Maybe they can define what a "green" job is.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:40:29pm |
re: #287 CapeCoddah
Hey Satt, BUSY summer... been worked like a red headed stepchild!
All is well, thanks for asking, and I hope the same is true of you!
Thanks. Great to have you "back". My crazy work times are just about to start (September through April)
Gearing up for my 60 hour work weeks BEFORE scheduled overtime!
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:40:49pm |
re: #290 Truck Monkey
Maybe they can define what a "green" job is.
Cannon-fodder jobs doomed to fall in the front line of the faux "recovery"?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:41:01pm |
re: #290 Truck Monkey
Maybe they can define what a "green" job is.
I'll be happy if they know what a JOB is!
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avanti Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:41:27pm |
re: #283 LGoPs
And you would have supported George Bush doing the same of course.
Absolutely. As much as I disagreed with his policies, I respected his dedication and love of country. As I recall, he was reading with school kids during the 9-11 attacks. I went to hear him speak when he was in Annapolis and I survived just fine.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:41:58pm |
re: #289 Lucius Septimius
I looked into the 'green jobs' offered listing a bit in Houston to see what they held. Lots of HVAC technicians, lots of accounting positions, even painters specializing in striping basketball courts, which was the oddest one.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:42:54pm |
re: #294 avanti
Absolutely. As much as I disagreed with his policies, I respected his dedication and love of country. As I recall, he was reading with school kids during the 9-11 attacks. I went to hear him speak when he was in Annapolis and I survived just fine.
READING to ONE classroom is a far cry from a speech to the entire nations public school systems!
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HelloDare Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:42:57pm |
re: #262 zombie
Hey, I was just at a party with Robert Reich!
I purposely did not raise the topic of politics.
/And yes, you simply would not believe how short he is, in person. Barely over 4 feet tall.
Imagine how small his Mini-me would be?
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FrogMarch Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:43:34pm |
re: #253 Walter L. Newton
E.D. Hirsch was on the radio here in Denver, talk show, Monday morning, yesterday, he has a new book out.
Yep. That was a great conversation. Very informative.
(If we live in a nation of "Jay walkers" we truly are F***ed.)
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CapeCoddah Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:43:45pm |
re: #291 sattv4u2
Thanks. Great to have you "back". My crazy work times are just about to start (September through April)
Gearing up for my 60 hour work weeks BEFORE scheduled overtime!
I know the feeling.. 60-90 hrs average weeks for us in the summer here...it will still be busy thru October, but the killing pace let up this week. I read a lot from my blackberry, and my comp when I was near it, but it is nice to be able to relax a bit.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:44:19pm |
re: #301 CapeCoddah
I know the feeling.. 60-90 hrs average weeks for us in the summer here...it will still be busy thru October, but the killing pace let up this week. I read a lot from my blackberry, and my comp when I was near it, but it is nice to be able to relax a bit.
You deserve it. Be well
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HelloDare Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:44:21pm |
re: #262 zombie
Hey, I was just at a party with Robert Reich!
I purposely did not raise the topic of politics.
/And yes, you simply would not believe how short he is, in person. Barely over 4 feet tall.
That's okay. I heard he was all dick.
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CyanSnowHawk Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:45:03pm |
re: #267 jaunte
Don't schoolkids still take the President's Physical Fitness Test?
Let him do it himself.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:45:12pm |
When the wife and I got married, we were given a subscription to "Organic Gardening." I practiced organic gardening and found it helpful. The letters, moreover, were endlessly entertaining. I remember someone writing a long angry letter over an ad. The add was for Glad bags, and the whole ad was attempting to say how "eco-conscious" Glad was. The letter-writer listed all the items shown in the bag that could potentially be composted if you really tried, and then excoriated the editors for including the ad.
Eventually the mag changed to "Organic Style" in which we were treated to the endless "Green" habits of dim anorexic starlets. Sifting through the magazine, I came away with the sense that "Green" meant "overpriced, trivial, and trendy." Oh and "I don't believe in traditional religions, but I'll buy into whatever Asian-Native American-Primitive-Tribal-New Age-Harmonic Convergence-Bullshit you can dish out."
We didn't renew our subscription.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:45:26pm |
re: #303 HelloDare
That's okay. I heard he was all dick.
There's an unexpected trip to Best Buy in my near future for a new monitor thatnsk to you!
Warn a guy, will ya!
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:46:04pm |
re: #294 avanti
Absolutely. As much as I disagreed with his policies, I respected his dedication and love of country. As I recall, he was reading with school kids during the 9-11 attacks. I went to hear him speak when he was in Annapolis and I survived just fine.
That was just him hiding out since he'd planned the attacks and all that.
/
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:46:09pm |
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livefreeor die Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:46:57pm |
I am more disturbed by the "educational activities" recommended than the occurrence of the speech itself. Watch the speech, talk about it, done.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:47:04pm |
re: #296 jaunte
Striping basketball courts? I'd love to hear the rationale for that one.
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:47:14pm |
re: #294 avanti
Absolutely. As much as I disagreed with his policies, I respected his dedication and love of country. As I recall, he was reading with school kids during the 9-11 attacks. I went to hear him speak when he was in Annapolis and I survived just fine.
Well at least you're honest, which I've never doubted. There is however a distinction between talking to an individual classroom, which I suspect every President has done, and the spectacle of addressing the whole nation's classrooms, with the attendant indirect but very real pressure of the teacher's as authority figures backing up the speech.
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jcm Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:47:30pm |
re: #310 sattv4u2
ChemTrails
//lefty mode
Shhh! If you catch the light right the rainbows give it away...
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:47:38pm |
re: #311 livefreeor die
I am more disturbed by the "educational activities" recommended than the occurrence of the speech itself. Watch the speech, talk about it, done.
Ah, but the speech is merely a means to an end, the "educational activities" being the end.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:47:48pm |
re: #306 Lucius Septimius
The letters, moreover, were endlessly entertaining
You want some great "free" enteratinment, go read the message board at a Whole Foods!
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:48:06pm |
re: #215 Lucius Septimius
I disagree on Goldberg's book -- I think he makes a very good case concerning the relationship between the American left in the 1920s and fascism. It's more than just two words.
He has, however, said that in retrospect he didn't like the subtitle. And the dust cover image wasn't his first choice either, but the publisher almost always wins on those fights.
I have to say, that sounds like more of Jonah trying to cover his ass.
The book is a pile of revisionist crap.
Jonah's idea of research is to put up a post asking readers who have read herbert spencer to get in touch with him. When an actual scholar did get in touch, the Pantload got huffy and ignored it.
And as for the subtitle, I'm not surprised he regrets it. It was only the THIRD time he changed it! Here are the prior two:
The Totalitarian Temptation From Mussolini to Hillary Clinton
and then
The Totalitarian Temptation From Hegel to Whole Foods
Does this sound like a serious thinker to you?
Goldberg is crap, and his book is ten pounds of crap in a one pound book.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:48:41pm |
re: #313 LGoPs
The authority thing is really the issue. For all the "question authority" rhetoric, the Left's use of schools is an exercise in authoritarianism pure and simple.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:48:57pm |
re: #312 Lucius Septimius
I think its evidence that 'green' is the new umbrella positive adjective, comparable to 'all natural' in food marketing.
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livefreeor die Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:50:57pm |
re: #316 sattv4u2
The letters, moreover, were endlessly entertainingYou want some great "free" enteratinment, go read the message board at a Whole Foods!
I recently went to our local Whole Foods to show support for their CEO who is being boycotted for daring to challenge O's health reform. On the way out I noticed a sign on the door that said, "Warning. Nuts are present on these premises." I felt like taping one under it that said, "NSS."
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zombie Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:51:07pm |
re: #306 Lucius Septimius
When the wife and I got married, we were given a subscription to "Organic Gardening." I practiced organic gardening and found it helpful. The letters, moreover, were endlessly entertaining. I remember someone writing a long angry letter over an ad. The add was for Glad bags, and the whole ad was attempting to say how "eco-conscious" Glad was. The letter-writer listed all the items shown in the bag that could potentially be composted if you really tried, and then excoriated the editors for including the ad.
Eventually the mag changed to "Organic Style" in which we were treated to the endless "Green" habits of dim anorexic starlets. Sifting through the magazine, I came away with the sense that "Green" meant "overpriced, trivial, and trendy." Oh and "I don't believe in traditional religions, but I'll buy into whatever Asian-Native American-Primitive-Tribal-New Age-Harmonic Convergence-Bullshit you can dish out."
We didn't renew our subscription.
My favorite comment of the week so far!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:51:16pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:52:49pm |
re: #271 LGoPs
Authoritarianism exists on both the right and the left, of course.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:53:49pm |
re: #323 iceweasel
Authoritarianism exists on both the right and the left, of course.
Yeah ,,, but I have WAY more fun pointing it out
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:53:54pm |
re: #306 Lucius Septimius
When the wife and I got married, we were given a subscription to "Organic Gardening." I practiced organic gardening and found it helpful. The letters, moreover, were endlessly entertaining. I remember someone writing a long angry letter over an ad. The add was for Glad bags, and the whole ad was attempting to say how "eco-conscious" Glad was. The letter-writer listed all the items shown in the bag that could potentially be composted if you really tried, and then excoriated the editors for including the ad.
Eventually the mag changed to "Organic Style" in which we were treated to the endless "Green" habits of dim anorexic starlets. Sifting through the magazine, I came away with the sense that "Green" meant "overpriced, trivial, and trendy." Oh and "I don't believe in traditional religions, but I'll buy into whatever Asian-Native American-Primitive-Tribal-New Age-Harmonic Convergence-Bullshit you can dish out."
We didn't renew our subscription.
I've always eaten organic, since long before it became fashionable. Broke too many teeth trying to eat inorganic potatoes and corn and ...
/
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:54:13pm |
re: #324 sattv4u2
Yeah ,,, but I have WAY more fun pointing it out
damn ,, It ated the rest of my post!!
PIMF
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jaunte Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:54:40pm |
re: #325 LGoPs
I've always eaten organic, since long before it became fashionable. Broke too many teeth trying to eat inorganic potatoes and corn and ...
/
Green joke!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:54:44pm |
re: #325 LGoPs
I've always eaten organic, since long before it became fashionable. Broke too many teeth trying to eat inorganic potatoes and corn and ...
/
You DO know you were possed to cook em, no?
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:55:50pm |
re: #328 sattv4u2
You DO know you were possed to cook em, no?
I've heard of rock salt but rock potatoes?
:)
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SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:56:41pm |
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:58:08pm |
re: #328 sattv4u2
You DO know you were possed to cook em, no?
Yep -- that massive chewing complex sort of went out of style with Australopithecus Robustus.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:58:17pm |
re: #115 HelloDare
Hey, there is some talk about using water balloons.
Most important, said Cleary, the planes would drop the water bombs accurately from high above the flames instead of precariously skimming the smoldering hills, the way air tankers do now.
According to the U.S. Forest Service, there were 20 aerial firefighting accidents and 13 fatalities between 2006 and 1996. Cleary said it is easy to convince the pilots who fly these missions that there’s a better way.
The system is ready to be tested on a real fire on private land, Goddard said. The government requires extensive testing before new firefighting technology can be used on federal land.
The Forest Service has not yet run the numbers to see if buying thousands of disposable box-and-balloon kits at an initial price of $300 each can save enough money on equipment, manpower and other costs to make the technology worthwhile.
“It costs several millions of dollars to install a tank on an aircraft, and that lasts at least 15 years,” said Carl Bambarger, an expert in aerial firefighting with the Forest Service’s Technology and Development Center in San Dimas.
Boeing 747 converted to firefighting supertanker:
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TedStriker Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:00:51pm |
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LGoPs Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:02:25pm |
re: #334 talon_262
How 'bout some Rock Lobster?
I've been stoned on occasion while eating but I don't think that counts...
:)
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:02:30pm |
re: #326 sattv4u2
damn ,, It ated the rest of my post!!
PIMF
Obama's in our internets, stealin our words. :(
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:06:43pm |
re: #262 zombie
Hey, I was just at a party with Robert Reich!
I purposely did not raise the topic of politics.
/And yes, you simply would not believe how short he is, in person. Barely over 4 feet tall.
Hey, don't diss short people!
My son, the IDF vet, is getting married next week to a little Aussie Sheila who is five feet nothing and 90 pounds soaking wet.
She can kick his ass.
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gregb Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:02:00am |
I've been watching these all weekend. It's fascinating.
Yesterday in Yorba Linda at 7pm, the Sun was a deep saturated orange Salmon color. As my photographer friend who specializes in Hawaiian sunsets says, it was completely uncapturable on film or digital.
The best way to describe it is to do a google image search on 'blood moon', except it was the sun.
[Link: images.google.com...]
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