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There is no excuse for letting another generation be as vastly ignorant, or as devoid of understanding and sympathy, as we are ourselves.
— C. P. Snow
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Dec 22, 2009 11:37:49pm |
Here's a real change from the usual....nice!
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Mark Pennington Tue, Dec 22, 2009 11:40:11pm |
What a perfect quote. Good night, Lizards.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Dec 22, 2009 11:40:55pm |
Great quote from the "Two Cultures" speech in...uhh...1959 (60?) I think?
I have read that speech several times, too bad it seems we have yet to achieve the goals of his idealism. Instead science and literature, indeed all the media, have grown further apart rather than finding common ground.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Dec 22, 2009 11:49:34pm |
Another C.P. Snow quote for those not familiar with the basic character of his *observations... (*or perhaps lament?)
A good many times I have been present at gatherings of people who, by the standards of the traditional culture, are thought highly educated and who have with considerable gusto been expressing their incredulity at the illiteracy of scientists. Once or twice I have been provoked and have asked the company how many of them could describe the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The response was cold: it was also negative. Yet I was asking something which is the scientific equivalent of: Have you read a work of Shakespeare's?
I now believe that if I had asked an even simpler question — such as, What do you mean by mass, or acceleration, which is the scientific equivalent of saying, Can you read? — not more than one in ten of the highly educated would have felt that I was speaking the same language. So the great edifice of modern physics goes up, and the majority of the cleverest people in the western world have about as much insight into it as their neolithic ancestors would have had.
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LotharBot Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:07:04am |
re: #4 ausador
I have been provoked and have asked the company how many of them could describe the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
Excellent quote. Related phenomena:
I have, many times, asked adult Christians (note: I am a Christian) "what do you mean by saved?" or other such seemingly foundational concepts, and been met by blank stares. "Well, Jesus saves." "Right, but what do you mean by that?" "It means you don't go to hell." "OK, so how does that tie in to justification?" "Justiwhat?" It's like they know all the buzzwords and catch phrases, but no concepts.
I also make it a habit, when discussing evolution (I studied evolutionary genetics as part of my masters degree) "can you explain to me what a mutation is?" or "what does selection mean?" At this point, people have usually been going on for pages about how such-and-such obscure journal paper proves or disproves evolution as a whole, and yet I'm met with blank stares when I ask about very basic concepts. They know the buzzwords, but only well enough to be able to know if a paper is "for" or "against" their side.
It amazes me how much people can care about certain topics, and how little they actually understand. I get that people might not understand things they don't find important. But when something is important enough to get worked up over, you'd think people would take the time to form at least a basic understanding of it.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:09:08am |
Do try not to get lost on Baker Street.
(BTW if you havn't heard it Gerry Rafferty's "City to City to is an effing great classic album!)
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:11:52am |
re: #7 LotharBot
Ehh, it is the internet, keyboard warriors abound, most however are not MENSA caliber material. Your exactly right, they know the "talking points" but nothing substantive behind them, it gets rather discouraging sometimes.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:12:47am |
re: #8 ausador
Gerry Rafferty's "City to City" is an effing great classic album!
PIMF!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:13:12am |
re: #7 LotharBot
Okay, first that comedian linked to in the last thread, and now you. How the hell do you random characters know so much about my family?
/
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:14:19am |
Morning/evening Honcos!!
I am usually about an hour from waking and starting coffee at this time of day. But not tonight. Just got hom from work and I am having my first beer. Ugh.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:20:56am |
re: #7 LotharBot
It amazes me how much people can care about certain topics, and how little they actually understand.
"Do you know, my son, with what little understanding the world is ruled?"
- Pope Julius III
/the things you learn from playing strategy/war games
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:22:24am |
One of my favorite Killing Joke songs cut to Metropolis. What could be better?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:22:59am |
re: #13 Slumbering Behemoth
Which strategy/wargames? *_*
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:24:47am |
One of my favorite Veridian Dynamics commercials is finally available at YouTube:
If you haven't watched Better Off Ted, it comes highly recommended.
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:26:24am |
re: #16 SixDegrees
Is it funny? And, is it on Hulu?
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LotharBot Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:26:53am |
re: #9 ausador
Ehh, it is the internet, keyboard warriors abound
The first exchange was typical of a Sunday School class I was teaching. It wasn't keyboard warriors trying to push talking points; it was people going to church every Sunday morning and not having a clue what their foundational beliefs were.
Most of the evolution stuff has been on the internet, though once or twice I ran into people in my grad-level classes who had some wacky ideas about certain key concepts. How do you get to 500-level phylogenetics class and not know what a gene is?
It's amazing to me how many people care DEEPLY about various topics, and yet are woefully uneducated on exactly those topics. The same people can quote sports scores or tell me the latest Brittney Spears gossip, but are completely lost when it comes to a topic they profess a great deal of interest in. It's sad.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:27:07am |
re: #7 LotharBot
Excellent quote. Related phenomena:
There's a reason health care is my number one issue in politics. It's because I have worked in health care for ten years and know a dozen nurses as good friends that I drink with. :D
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:27:25am |
More classic Rafferty--this time in his earlier duo "Stealers Wheel" singing the LGF theme song for all those abandoned by their political parties in the pursuit of nutcases, Stuck in the Middle With You.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:28:02am |
re: #17 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is it funny? And, is it on Hulu?
One of the better comedies around these days. It's still finding it's legs a bit, but well worth watching.
I don't know if it's on Hulu. It's on ABC, Tuesdays.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:29:42am |
re: #17 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is it funny? And, is it on Hulu?
It is funny, at least as good as the first season of "Scrubs" although the humor is different. Last season it was not quite as good, this one is much better so far.
I havn't looked for it on HULU so I don't know the answer to that part of your question.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:31:48am |
OK, just checked, yes it is on HULU...
[Link: www.hulu.com...]
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:32:54am |
re: #23 ausador
OK, just checked, yes it is on HULU...
[Link: www.hulu.com...]
Cool. I might watch one tomorrow or Thursday. But it's been around for 2 seasons already?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:35:48am |
Joe Lieberman is the future of metal.
"Start a metal band that worships Joe Lieberman and empires will crumble in the wake of your vision."
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:36:03am |
re: #24 Cannadian Club Akbar
Cool. I might watch one tomorrow or Thursday. But it's been around for 2 seasons already?
Just started it's second season last week, I think.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:36:41am |
re: #24 Cannadian Club Akbar
Cool. I might watch one tomorrow or Thursday. But it's been around for 2 seasons already?
I would highly recommend the episode entitled "Jabberwocky."
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:37:06am |
this is just a "drive by," after a VERY late night at work on the east coast.
when it comes to the "big picture," nobody gets it right like Victor Davis Hanson.
[Link: victorhanson.com...]
Good night, Lizard Universe.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:37:41am |
re: #24 Cannadian Club Akbar
Cool. I might watch one tomorrow or Thursday. But it's been around for 2 seasons already?
I don't think anyone even realized it was on earlier this year, they had like 13 episodes in the spring, now they are already showing another batch of new ones. So it is two "seasons" but in the same year, the first season was mostly not as funny as the newer ones have been.
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:40:15am |
re: #29 ausador
I don't think anyone even realized it was on earlier this year, they had like 13 episodes in the spring, now they are already showing another batch of new ones. So it is two "seasons" but in the same year, the first season was mostly not as funny as the newer ones have been.
Many times a new show will do 13 shows if well recieved, then 22 the next season. IIRC, after 100 shows a TV show can go into syndication which is when actors hold out for more money. (see FRIENDS)
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miguelj Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:41:36am |
Charles - I still like you and LGF, I too am against white suprmacists and climate deniers, but I do think you are mistakenly losing the focus on combatting islamofascism.
I know you disapprove now of a lot of the erstwhile neocon sites that still do largely focus on the fight against islamofascism, but still....
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:43:49am |
re: #15 WindUpBird
That particular quote I peeped from "Medieval II: Total War".
Another of my fav's is SM's Civilization series. (He really should produce another iteration of Alpha Centauri).
I also futzed around with other PC games such as:
Dawn of War series
Jagged Alliance series
Age of Mythology/Titans
GalCivII
Rise of Legends
Some Others That I Won't Remember 'til I Sober Up
I could also probably wipe the floor with you at Axis & Allies. Heavy emphasis on probably.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:44:24am |
re: #31 miguelj
Charles - I still like you and LGF, I too am against white suprmacists and climate deniers, but I do think you are mistakenly losing the focus on combatting islamofascism.
I know you disapprove now of a lot of the erstwhile neocon sites that still do largely focus on the fight against islamofascism, but still...
Do you really think Islamofascism™ will take hold in America faster than Evangelical Dominionism?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:47:23am |
re: #32 Slumbering Behemoth
That particular quote I peeped from "Medieval II: Total War".
Another of my fav's is SM's Civilization series. (He really should produce another iteration of Alpha Centauri).
I also futzed around with other PC games such as:
Dawn of War series
Jagged Alliance series
Age of Mythology/Titans
GalCivII
Rise of Legends
Some Others That I Won't Remember 'til I Sober UpI could also probably wipe the floor with you at Axis & Allies. Heavy emphasis on probably.
ALPHA CENTAURI! One of the greatest games that has ever been created on any platform. A flawless game. Sid Meier and Brian Reynolds at their best. And Jagged Alliance! Bless you, sir :D I played Dawn of War, and a lot of Age of Empires. Haven't played a lot of Rise of Legends though I'd like to.
I haven't played Axis and Allies since I was a teenager, so yes, most likely.
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Mark Winter Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:47:34am |
re: #4 ausador
Once or twice I have been provoked and have asked the company how many of them could describe the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
I think last week several people tried to tell me that CO2 causing AGW would run against the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
It's really bad when they are not online doing that and can't use Wikipedia to find out what this damn law actually is about.
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:52:56am |
I am listening to Coast to Coast AM. Apparently there are different "races" of aliens. I did not know this. Man, I love the crazy people.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:55:44am |
re: #36 Cannadian Club Akbar
I am listening to Coast to Coast AM. Apparently there are different "races" of aliens. I did not know this. Man, I love the crazy people.
Take it straight from Riley Martin.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 12:57:11am |
re: #33 WindUpBird
Do you really think Islamofascism™ will take hold in America faster than Evangelical Dominionism?
You really should watch this BBC documentary if you haven't already, it is called "The Power of Nightmares" and can be downloaded for free or watched as a stream from the Internet Archives site. It is three one hour segments that deals with the rise of Islamism and also the Neocons at the same time in America.
It is a very interesting and informative show, it made me go and do a lot of reading and then backtrack on several things I thought I knew all about. This isn't tinfoil hat stuff, just straightforward history. The shame is that they couldn't get anyone in America to show it although it has aired in Canada and many other countries besides the U.K., "too controversial."
[Link: www.archive.org...]
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:00:04am |
re: #36 Cannadian Club Akbar
I am listening to Coast to Coast AM. Apparently there are different "races" of aliens. I did not know this. Man, I love the crazy people.
Sure, you got the "Greys" and the "Reptiloids" and the "Obamas"...
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:01:16am |
re: #39 ausador
Sure, you got the "Greys" and the "Reptiloids" and the "Obamas"...
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Obama is a Shape Shifter. Get with the program.
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:02:12am |
re: #37 WindUpBird
Take it straight from Riley Martin.
[Video]
WOW!! Thanks for that!! (I could only do 4 minutes, though)
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:08:08am |
re: #35 Mark Winter
I think last week several people tried to tell me that CO2 causing AGW would run against the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
It's really bad when they are not online doing that and can't use Wikipedia to find out what this damn law actually is about.
Sure why not? They try to use it as an argument against evolution all the time, any time you hear the "information" stuff. According to them mutations causing more advanced forms of life violates the second law because "in a closed system" everything winds down due to entropy. So more complex genomes/DNA cannot happen, hence the "you can't have more information in newer species than older species bullshit."
Of course there is one 'glaring' flaw in their argument, the Earth is not a closed system, the majority of this planets energy comes from this big bright thing in the sky we just discovered. I think they are calling it the "Sun," or something like that anyway.
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:10:12am |
re: #34 WindUpBird
I haven't played Axis and Allies since I was a teenager, so yes, most likely.
I am convinced that success in that game boils down to the success of your opening moves, and I have all factions opening moves pretty much down pat.
I have the PC version that I would love to hot-seat with someone. Even at the highest settings, the AI is laughably inept.
Still, I am not fool enough to think that success at such games would make me a good commander in real life. Every game acts within specific, pre-programed economic and logistical parameters that can be understood and mastered, but in no way translate into real life.
/I think I've just used up all my big, expensive words I got in my stocking from last Christmas. Santa better come through with another batch this year, or I'm screwed.
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:10:29am |
re: #42 ausador
That "Sun" thing you speak of is just a fad. Like the intrawebz.
/
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:18:32am |
Gonna finish my beer, have one more, listen to a little Genesis and hit the sack. See ya'll in a bit.
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Timmeh Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:26:34am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:28:35am |
Morning Lizards.
Me and my crew made it to Ohio yesterday. A bit cooler than Jax Fl.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:41:42am |
re: #46 Timmeh
Teabagger is worried that his prayer for a senator's death might have hit the wrong target
Yeah, really.
Uhh...right, because God cannot tell one Senator from another?
It is a troll, now if he had seemed more honestly concerned that God had struck down Inhofe in retaliation for them praying for Byrd's death instead of struggling not to laugh while keeping the mouthbreather hillbilly accent up I would be more inclined to believe it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:44:51am |
Time to nod off. In parting, here is an "Everyone Hates the Paparazzi" pic.
Alternatively titled: Nature Abhors a Vacuum.
G'nite Lizards.
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Bagua Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:57:55am |
I'm with Nature on that one. Can't stand vacuums.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 23, 2009 2:08:09am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 23, 2009 2:10:29am |
re: #51 SixDegrees
Neither can my cats.
When we vaccuum, our sphynx gets what we call the "horn ears", he flattens his ears, but they curl up like devil horns, and then he hides under our bed.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 2:12:20am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Dec 23, 2009 2:13:18am |
re: #46 Timmeh
Teabagger is worried that his prayer for a senator's death might have hit the wrong target
Yeah, really.
I think they're confusing God with Zeus, who just hurls bolts of cartoon lightning from Mt. Olympus. Whoever they hit, who cares! THE GODS WILL IT SO!
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 2:17:20am |
re: #47 rwdflynavy
Morning Lizards.
Me and my crew made it to Ohio yesterday. A bit cooler than Jax Fl.
Sorry, a belated good morning to you. :)
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 2:20:05am |
I'm out, time for about a three hour nap before I have to get up and hit the stores one last time. Goodnight/morning to all the scaly ones currently awake.
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Neutral President Wed, Dec 23, 2009 2:27:29am |
re: #35 Mark Winter
I think last week several people tried to tell me that CO2 causing AGW would run against the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
It's really bad when they are not online doing that and can't use Wikipedia to find out what this damn law actually is about.
That is a common line brought up by a lot of anti-science kooks who have only a rudimentary understanding of entropy. They always seem to miss the part, by their ignorance or perhaps willful ignorance, about the "closed system".
The exact same argument is used by creationists that somehow evolution violates entropy. When I saw it in anti-AGW arguments I about died laughing. It should be a litmus test on whether or not someone is a kook.
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Timmeh Wed, Dec 23, 2009 2:30:28am |
re: #48 ausador
It's hard to tell farce from reality these days.
It sounded sincere to me but it may be impossible to know for sure.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Dec 23, 2009 2:48:59am |
Charles must be grinding his teeth, at least if he has seen this one yet...
"When Palin talks, people from all walks of life listen. When she says we need to be cutting taxes instead of raising them, fighting terrorists instead of babying them, supporting our military instead of second-guessing it, and backing off the seeming endless push for global warming legislation until all the ramifications of Climategate are clear, conservative Americans hear a common-sense approach that sounds very much like Reagan," - AWR Hawkins, Pajamas Media.
Want to talk about living in the fringe right echo chamber, wtf? It is like "how many baseless memes can I spout off in one paragraph?"
OK, now I'm really out of here...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Dec 23, 2009 3:28:51am |
OK I did some more digging on Lu and his ozone paper that made so many waves.
I found this at real climate on some of his earlier work.
[Link: www.realclimate.org...]
The story hit the ‘tubes earlier this year when researcher Q.B. Lu predicted that this years Antarctic ozone hole would be the biggest ever due to the actions of increased galactic cosmic rays (GCR) (because we are at solar minimum and GCR are inversely correlated to solar activity). This years peak ozone hole has now come and gone, and the prediction can therefore be evaluated. Unfortunately for Dr. Lu, this year’s hole was merely about average for the decade – a result that wasn’t too supportive for his theory.
This story made me a little curious about this though. Firstly, I didn’t initially understand why cosmic rays should be playing a role in ozone depletion – most of the cosmic ray effects that are usually discussed revolve around cloud-aerosol connections, but there are not many clouds in the stratosphere where the ozone holes form, and the ones there are (Polar Stratospheric Clouds – PSCs) are much more sensitive to temperature and water vapour than they are likely to be to background aerosols. On further investigation, it turns out that this idea has been out there for a few years (and was reported on then) and has subsequently been discussed in the ozone literature.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Dec 23, 2009 3:44:17am |
re: #61 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Ludwig
Morning buddy...
You missed the best denier line ever last night... He called the science community "Science Tyrants!"
So I have decided I am now Science Tyrant and Mark is Lord High Oppressor of Denialists.
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 3:47:36am |
re: #62 LudwigVanQuixote
Morning buddy...
You missed the best denier line ever last night... He called the science community "Science Tyrants!"
So I have decided I am now Science Tyrant and Mark is Lord High Oppressor of Denialists.
LOL.. Blinded by science!
I'm off for 2 weeks so I'm going to catch up reading all the links that have been posted about AGW here...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 23, 2009 3:50:06am |
There is no excuse for letting another generation be as vastly ignorant, or as devoid of understanding and sympathy, as we are ourselves.
— C. P. Snow, (1959?)
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.
-Ecclesiastes, the Teacher
Same shit, different decade.
-FBV
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 3:50:42am |
Ludwig: Question: What is the name of that theorem about particles (2) that spin together in the same direction and when one changes spin the other also changes despite distance and time...
/Did that make sense?
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 3:51:21am |
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 3:53:43am |
re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There is no excuse for letting another generation be as vastly ignorant, or as devoid of understanding and sympathy, as we are ourselves.
— C. P. Snow, (1959?)
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.
-Ecclesiastes, the TeacherSame shit, different decade.
-FBV
Everybody has the right yo be stupid - But you're abusing the priviledge
-Bumpersticker
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srjh Wed, Dec 23, 2009 3:53:59am |
re: #66 HoosierHoops
I think it's quantum entanglement that you're thinking about.
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 3:58:06am |
re: #69 srjh
I think it's quantum entanglement that you're thinking about.
Thanks..Now i have something to google..cool concept
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:04:41am |
re: #66 HoosierHoops
Ludwig: Question: What is the name of that theorem about particles (2) that spin together in the same direction and when one changes spin the other also changes despite distance and time...
/Did that make sense?
You are thinking of quantum entanglement and certain aspects of the Bell inequalities.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:08:06am |
re: #72 LudwigVanQuixote
You are thinking of quantum entanglement and certain aspects of the Bell inequalities.
S'what I was thinkin'. But, he asked you; so I kept my mouth shut.
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:10:48am |
re: #72 LudwigVanQuixote
You are thinking of quantum entanglement and certain aspects of the Bell inequalities.
The concept that particles can interact with each other despite time and distance in so cool...a particle across the universe knows what direction the other particle is spinning.. A way to bridge and create instant communications in the future. I think...
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srjh Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:11:47am |
re: #69 srjh
Ah, yes... it's definitely fascinating from a philosophical perspective if you've got a few hours to spend on it, particularly when you get to Bell's theorem (as Ludwig referred to) and the various interpretations of quantum mechanics.
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srjh Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:15:03am |
re: #74 HoosierHoops
The concept that particles can interact with each other despite time and distance in so cool...a particle across the universe knows what direction the other particle is spinning.. A way to bridge and create instant communications in the future. I think...
The thing is, it's not quite right to say that "when one changes spin the other also changes despite distance and time"...
It's more that both are uncertain until you measure one, and in doing so you provide a certainty to both. You can't actually communicate instantaneously, but you can get together later and check that your results are more correlated than they would otherwise be.
It's pretty complicated, but it is very interesting when you start to get into it.
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:18:00am |
re: #76 srjh
The thing is, it's not quite right to say that "when one changes spin the other also changes despite distance and time"...
It's more that both are uncertain until you measure one, and in doing so you provide a certainty to both. You can't actually communicate instantaneously, but you can get together later and check that your results are more correlated than they would otherwise be.
It's pretty complicated, but it is very interesting when you start to get into it.
Well crap..There goes my idea of a quantum computer
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Jadespring Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:24:44am |
Morning all.
Quantum physics? At this early hour? Crazy...... ;)
*goes to get a coffee to clear out the cobwebs*
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:25:14am |
re: #78 HoosierHoops
Well crap..There goes my idea of a quantum computer
Oh. I thought it was something about making waffles.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:29:35am |
Good Morning LGF.
450:1 or 443:1 - take your pick, both are sucker bets.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:35:31am |
re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh. I thought it was something about making waffles.
Has your region been affected by the global Eggo shortage yet?
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srjh Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:37:17am |
re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote
I am impressed.
Thanks... the best part of a decade studying Physics will tend to do that to you. [Back to my thesis...]
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:40:18am |
re: #83 srjh
Thanks... the best part of a decade studying Physics will tend to do that to you. [Back to my thesis...]
I'm a chaos guy. I used to do strings. What is your thesis on?
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SteveC Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:42:36am |
re: #34 WindUpBird
ALPHA CENTAURI! One of the greatest games that has ever been created on any platform. A flawless game. Sid Meier and Brian Reynolds at their best. And Jagged Alliance! Bless you, sir :D I played Dawn of War, and a lot of Age of Empires. Haven't played a lot of Rise of Legends though I'd like to.
I haven't played Axis and Allies since I was a teenager, so yes, most likely.
Anyone remember Meier's Balance of Power, a cold war simulation? That was good. Gettysburg was also good, though I couldn't wrap my head around why an infantry brigade charge would cause an artillery unit to retreat.
// "The General's compliment's sir, and he asks if you would kindly greet the advancing infantry with several volleys of cartridge?"
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srjh Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:45:36am |
re: #84 LudwigVanQuixote
Time domain spectroscopy - mainly optical rectification... with other terahertz-frequency bits and pieces. Hope to be finished in a month or so.
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SteveC Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:46:40am |
re: #79 Jadespring
Morning all.
Quantum physics? At this early hour? Crazy... ;)
Theorizing that one could time travel within his own lifetime, Doctor Sam Beckett led an elite group of scientists into the desert to develop a top secret project, known as QUANTUM LEAP. Pressured to prove his theories or lose funding, Doctor Beckett, prematurely stepped into the Project Accelerator... and vanished.
He awoke to find himself on the bridge of the starship U.S.S. Enterprise...
Oh, boy.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:46:40am |
re: #86 srjh
Time domain spectroscopy - mainly optical rectification... with other terahertz-frequency bits and pieces. Hope to be finished in a month or so.
Good luck to you! Are you going to go industry or look for a post doc?
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srjh Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:51:36am |
re: #88 LudwigVanQuixote
Thanks... my university's happy to keep me on as a postdoc in the short term (actually, the short term is get the damn thing finished!), and I think I might be leaning more that way in the longer term anyway.
Sounds like you're in academia? I wouldn't be surprised to see chaos theory popping up in unusual places, though.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:52:40am |
I just saw on CNN that Obama called in to a talk show as a gag and introduced himself as "Barry from D.C."
What a clown.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:56:44am |
re: #90 Spare O'Lake
I just saw on CNN that Obama called in to a talk show as a gag and introduced himself as "Barry from D.C."
What a clown.
[Link: www.mirror.co.uk...]
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SteveC Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:57:47am |
re: #90 Spare O'Lake
I just saw on CNN that Obama called in to a talk show as a gag and introduced himself as "Barry from D.C."
What a clown.
Jeebus.
I'm sure CNN is eating this crap up with a spoon.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 23, 2009 4:58:14am |
"There is no excuse for letting another generation be as vastly ignorant, or as devoid of understanding and sympathy, as we are ourselves."
— C. P. Snow
"Each generation imagines it self to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it."
-- George Orwell
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:03:13am |
re: #91 Spare O'Lake
[Link: www.mirror.co.uk...]
Actually..It was one of Tim's last radio shows as Gov. of Virginia..
It was a nice gesture by the President....jeez...Stop reading British newspapers about the beltway...You know what a Clown is?
Somebody that flies a jet onto an Aircraft Carrier declaring Mission accomplished when THE FUCKING WAR WAS JUST GETTING STARTED!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:04:14am |
re: #82 Spare O'Lake
Has your region been affected by the global Eggo shortage yet?
I got a 24 pack in my freezer... waitin' on the Eggo-mageddon.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:05:34am |
re: #90 Spare O'Lake
I think that's funny. No problem with it.
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Jadespring Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:07:24am |
re: #87 SteveC
Theorizing that one could time travel within his own lifetime, Doctor Sam Beckett led an elite group of scientists into the desert to develop a top secret project, known as QUANTUM LEAP. Pressured to prove his theories or lose funding, Doctor Beckett, prematurely stepped into the Project Accelerator... and vanished.
He awoke to find himself on the bridge of the starship U.S.S. Enterprise...
Oh, boy.
That would be pretty cool though.
As long as they have coffee on the Enterprise.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:08:19am |
re: #94 HoosierHoops
Actually..It was one of Tim's last radio shows as Gov. of Virginia..
It was a nice gesture by the President...jeez...Stop reading British newspapers about the beltway...You know what a Clown is?
Somebody that flies a jet onto an Aircraft Carrier declaring Mission accomplished when THE FUCKING WAR WAS JUST GETTING STARTED!
I thought Mission Accomplished referred to the fact that he managed to get his helmet off.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:08:57am |
Re: Last night's string on the John Birch Society.
A couple of JBS reporters were featured on Alex Jones's paranoid TV show yesterday. The Birchers were in Copenhagen to "expose" the conference's role in the final run-up to the long-planned New World Order. Jones naturally ate it up, it was practically a lovefest. The interview is given prominent coverage on the JBS website (which you can find for yourself).
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:12:37am |
re: #98 Spare O'Lake
I thought Mission Accomplished referred to the fact that he managed to get his helmet off.
LOL True dat bro...If I didn't have thousands of pics of Fallujuh given to me from my boy during the push years later of the 3/5th Marines I could understand..Sorry if I sounded harsh to you...Mission accomplished pissed the old man off...
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:14:15am |
re: #99 Shiplord Kirel
Nuts and kooks to the left and to the right. Not much new in that really. The only thing I disagreed with on the thread is the argument that JBS having a booth at CPAC is going to damage the republican chances during the next election cycle.
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SteveC Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:15:45am |
re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Awww, my slow ass computer and dial up (I'm out here in "da woods") only does video after a weeks wait to load it. :(
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:19:43am |
"Barry from D.C." has a nice homey ring to it.re: #101 HoosierHoops
LOL True dat bro...If I didn't have thousands of pics of Fallujuh given to me from my boy during the push years later of the 3/5th Marines I could understand..Sorry if I sounded harsh to you...Mission accomplished pissed the old man off...
Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right...
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:21:12am |
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SteveC Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:23:18am |
The 12 STDs of Christmas! (NSFW)
Presented by the British, where it is called STI - Sexually Transmitted Infection
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:30:08am |
re: #109 SteveC
Ummm....Ewwwwwww!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:32:17am |
re: #105 SteveC
Awww, my slow ass computer and dial up (I'm out here in "da woods") only does video after a weeks wait to load it. :(
How the "Terminator" should have ended. They go farther back in time to kill the man who invented time travel. The professor from "Back to the Future".
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SteveC Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:33:00am |
DeMint wants point of order on Senate Healthcare bill.
South Carolina Attorney General to investigate Nebraska's healthcare deal.
The Attorney General down here, Henry McMaster, is running for Governor on the Republican ticket - not that that has anything to do with it, I'm sure!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:33:07am |
Good morning lizards!
From our station* in Philadelphia we bring you...
The Seven Habits of Highly Effective Cats
1. Be destructive
2. Do what you want, when you want to
3. Feed me first
4. Think "meow", "meow"
5. Try to be inscrutable
6. Purr!
7. Sharpen the claws
This concludes this morning's message from the Cat Overlord Network
* - gas station that is. I work for an oil company.
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SteveC Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:34:55am |
re: #110 rwdflynavy
Ummm...Ewww!
A good reminder to wrap your Christmas gift, if ya know what i mean!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:47:23am |
re: #107 SteveC
Very sad, but hopefully it was found in time to cure her.
I'm glad to see that she is promoting a continuation of the current mammography standards, rather than the revised ones recently suggested.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:49:44am |
re: #31 miguelj
Charles - I still like you and LGF, I too am against white suprmacists and climate deniers, but I do think you are mistakenly losing the focus on combatting islamofascism.
I know you disapprove now of a lot of the erstwhile neocon sites that still do largely focus on the fight against islamofascism, but still...
re: #33 WindUpBird
Do you really think Islamofascism™ will take hold in America faster than Evangelical Dominionism?
Good Morning Lizards!
I really wish I could stay and discuss this topic. I have to drive the parents around today.
I think BOTH religious extremes work in tandom--they each have the same goals --control, control, & control. Women = bad; Evolution = bad; etc.
I think if we work against one, we work against the other --not by going to the opposite extreme, but by remaining balanced --in the center.
So, let's keep capitalism alive and the merchants happy--go shopping!
Only 2 more days 'til Santa!
How are you-all?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:55:32am |
Wow, slow morning!
I'm off Lizards, Have a great day!
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:56:12am |
re: #57 ArchangelMichael
That is a common line brought up by a lot of anti-science kooks who have only a rudimentary understanding of entropy. They always seem to miss the part, by their ignorance or perhaps willful ignorance, about the "closed system".
That, or they have put forward weird ideas about where the system begins or ends. I've referred to this as "boundary gerrymandering" in the past.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:58:34am |
How to Teach Physics to Your Dog looks interesting.
My dog often has the same look as the one on the book cover. I never considered the possibility that he might be wondering about the implications of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics as it applies to chasing a cat owned by a guy named Schrödinger...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 5:59:10am |
re: #117 ggt
Wow, slow morning!
I'm off Lizards, Have a great day!
We're all moonlighting in the North Pole. Those toys don't build themselves. And when the elves go on strike, Santa needs scabs!
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:03:07am |
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:28:42am |
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SteveC Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:30:16am |
Gold still over $1000!
/Not a gold bug, but committed to go to THREE self-financed meetings this year, and planning to sell a gold coin or 2 to pay for them.
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:47:51am |
Morning. I've said that once on this thread so, sorry if I am repeating myself.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:50:52am |
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Bubblehead II Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:52:11am |
Morning All. Kinda slow in here today.
Man with knife in chest calls 911, orders coffee
WARREN, Mich. — A man who walked into a Michigan diner with a 5-inch knife stuck in his chest ordered a coffee and complained only about the cold weather.
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:53:17am |
re: #31 miguelj
Charles - I still like you and LGF, I too am against white suprmacists and climate deniers, but I do think you are mistakenly losing the focus on combatting islamofascism.
I know you disapprove now of a lot of the erstwhile neocon sites that still do largely focus on the fight against islamofascism, but still...
An interesting and well written blog features an author giving their viewpoint and writing about what they want to write about as opposed to pandering to an audience. In this respect Charles does a fantastic job, in my opinion.
It seems to be a mistake to assume that you should have any influence on the author's focus. The upside is that you can become an author yourself and focus on "combatting islamofascism" to your hearts content. Then, when someone comments on your blog that you aren't covering the evolution of fruitcake enough, you can basically tell them to fork off.
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:54:10am |
re: #126 Bubblehead II
Morning All. Kinda slow in here today.
Man with knife in chest calls 911, orders coffee
WARREN, Mich. — A man who walked into a Michigan diner with a 5-inch knife stuck in his chest ordered a coffee and complained only about the cold weather.
The reason he complained about the weather is that, with that topic, he had something in common with everyone else. Unless more people had knives in their chest, he had no one to chat with.
/
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:55:07am |
re: #128 Cannadian Club Akbar
The reason he complained about the weather is that, with that topic, he had something in common with everyone else. Unless more people had knives in their chest, he had no one to chat with.
/
Yes but they all probably own knives so they could have chatted about the handle design, where he could get a matching set, etc.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:55:11am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I know this is shocking (shocking!) to most of you, but Gitmo isn't going to be closed before 2011 at the earliest. Congressional Democrats didn't provide the funding to make it happen.
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The Curmudgeon Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:55:49am |
Curmudgeonly thought for the day: I am surrounded by fools! Actually, that's what I think every day.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:57:49am |
re: #132 The Curmudgeon
The Science Tyrant equivalent is: Fools! I will destroy you all!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:58:06am |
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 23, 2009 6:59:49am |
re: #115 reine.de.tout
The recently revised standards were themselves revised back to the prior standards. Mind you that the recommendation to reduce screenings to came from a panel that didn't include oncologists or those expert in dealing with breast cancers.
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Bubblehead II Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:00:09am |
re: #128 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well he could have complained about the rampant out of control knife violence and the need for knife control laws.
// Only somewhat though, I believe they have some pretty stick knife laws in England.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:01:52am |
re: #134 Mad Al-Jaffee
Of snowness and of sleeves: 15 strange holiday songs that deserve to be Christmas classics
This is NOT a jolly song.
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:01:59am |
re: #136 Bubblehead II
When they outlaw knives, only chefs will have knives.
/
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:02:07am |
re: #136 Bubblehead II
Ah, just stick a fork in it. //////
First they came for the sporks and no one complained.
Then they came for the butter knives and no one noticed...
Then, they came for the steak knives, and no one complained.
Then they came for the spoons, and all was silent.
Then, they came for the forks, and there was no one left to defend 'em...
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:02:50am |
re: #129 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hey, my team lost. Yours?
Gritty Rocklin loses a heartbreaker
Our kids did amazingly well. If our starting QB didn't break his arm the previous week we might have pulled it out. Came back from 10 - 30 deficit to tie it at 30-30. Lost on last second field goal. We were one of only two public schools in the entire playoff, us and Crenshaw. The team we played, Servite, is a prep school in Anaheim and ranked number one in the state.
Was Manatee your school? I saw the results of that game on maxpreps.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:03:17am |
re: #135 lawhawk
The recently revised standards were themselves revised back to the prior standards. Mind you that the recommendation to reduce screenings to came from a panel that didn't include oncologists or those expert in dealing with breast cancers.
Who was on the panel?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:04:41am |
re: #135 lawhawk
The recently revised standards were themselves revised back to the prior standards. Mind you that the recommendation to reduce screenings to came from a panel that didn't include oncologists or those expert in dealing with breast cancers.
I knew the panel making the recommendations did not include an oncologist or a breast cancer expert. I didn't know they had gone ahead and re-revised the standards - glad to hear it.
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:05:50am |
re: #140 Locker
Yes, Manatee. They were down 21-0 and made it 21-14, that being the final score. I think they ended up ranked 26th in the nation, though. Oh, well, good for the kiddies.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:05:59am |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:06:14am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:06:22am |
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:07:04am |
re: #139 lawhawk
Ah, just stick a fork in it. ///
First they came for the sporks and no one complained.
Then they came for the butter knives and no one noticed...
Then, they came for the steak knives, and no one complained.
Then they came for the spoons, and all was silent.
Then, they came for the forks, and there was no one left to defend 'em...
If utensil pour you a drink.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:07:51am |
re: #141 MandyManners
Who was on the panel?
The USPSTF comprises primary care clinicians (e.g., internists, pediatricians, family physicians, gynecologists/obstetricians, and nurses). Individual members' interests include: decision modeling and evaluation; effectiveness in clinical preventive medicine; clinical epidemiology; the prevention of high-risk behaviors in adolescents; geriatrics; and the prevention of disability in the elderly.
Current members of the Task Force are listed below. They have recognized expertise in prevention, evidence-based medicine, and primary care.
Bruce N. Calonge, M.D., M.P.H. (Chair)
Chief Medical Officer and State Epidemiologist
Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, Denver, CODiana B. Petitti, M.D., M.P.H. (Vice Chair)
Professor of Biomedical Informatics
Fulton School of Engineering
Arizona State University, Tempe, AZSusan Curry, Ph.D.
Dean, College of Public Health
Distinguished Professor
University of Iowa, Iowa City, IAAllen J. Dietrich, M.D.
Professor, Community and Family Medicine
Dartmouth Medical School, Hanover, NHThomas G. DeWitt, M.D.
Carl Weihl Professor of Pediatrics
Director of the Division of General and Community Pediatrics
Department of Pediatrics, Children's Hospital Medical Center, Cincinnati, OHKimberly D. Gregory, M.D., M.P.H.
Director, Maternal-Fetal Medicine and Women's Health Services Research
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Los Angeles, CADavid Grossman, M.D., M.P.H.
Medical Director, Preventive Care and Senior Investigator, Center for Health Studies, Group Health Cooperative
Professor of Health Services and Adjunct Professor of Pediatrics
University of Washington, Seattle, WAGeorge Isham, M.D., M.S.
Medical Director and Chief Health Officer
HealthPartners, Minneapolis, MNMichael L. LeFevre, M.D., M.S.P.H.
Professor, Department of Family and Community Medicine
University of Missouri School of Medicine, Columbia, MORosanne Leipzig, M.D., Ph.D
Professor, Geriatrics and Adult Development, Medicine, Health Policy
Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York, NYLucy N. Marion, Ph.D., R.N.
Dean and Professor, School of Nursing
Medical College of Georgia, Augusta, GAJoy Melnikow, M.D., M.P.H.
Professor, Department of Family and Community Medicine
Associate Director, Center for Healthcare Policy and Research
University of California Davis, Sacramento, CABernadette Melnyk, Ph.D., R.N., C.P.N.P./N.P.P.
Dean and Distinguished Foundation Professor in Nursing
College of Nursing & Healthcare Innovation
Arizona State University, Phoenix, AZWanda Nicholson, M.D., M.P.H., M.B.A.
Associate Professor
Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, MDJ. Sanford (Sandy) Schwartz, M.D.
Leon Hess Professor of Medicine, Health Management, and Economics
University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine and Wharton School, Philadelphia, PATimothy Wilt, M.D., M.P.H.
Professor, Department of Medicine, Minneapolis VA Medical Center
University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:10:52am |
My favorite Christmas movie of all time is "Diehard."
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:11:36am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:11:49am |
re: #149 Walter L. Newton
My favorite Christmas movie of all time is "Diehard."
Mine's a tie between Gremlins and Bad Santa.
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abolitionist Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:12:18am |
re: #138 Cannadian Club Akbar
When they outlaw knives, only chefs will have knives.
/
On my daughter's college campus, yes, that's how it is.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:12:38am |
re: #151 Mad Al-Jaffee
Mine's a tie between Gremlins and Bad Santa.
Any Christmas movie with a body count goes to the top of the list.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:12:50am |
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:12:58am |
Egg Nog should be illegal to consume because it contains raw eggs, therefore a risk of salmonella poisoning.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:13:51am |
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:14:14am |
re: #155 Cannadian Club Akbar
It's not the egg yolk or white, but the shells that carry the salmonella bacteria. /alton brown
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:15:23am |
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:16:03am |
re: #149 Walter L. Newton
Die Hard definitely is at the top of my list...
"Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho"
A Christmas story also includes firearms (and firearms safety), so that's a plus.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:16:40am |
re: #155 Cannadian Club Akbar
Egg Nog should be illegal to consume because it contains raw eggs, therefore a risk of salmonella poisoning.
Actually, I guess it's now possible to purchase sanitized eggs. Not sure if that's what they're called, but they've been heated enough to kill the most troublesome bacteria, yet leave the egg proteins (mostly) unchanged. Sort of like pasteurizing.
Not something I'm going to run out and look for anytime soon. But if I owned a restaurant where liability might be an issue, I'd consider them in dishes that otherwise call for raw eggs.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:17:00am |
Lazy snow this morning... medium sized flakes, dry, been snowing all night up here (8200 feet, Rocky Mountains, 45 miles west of downtown Denver), but only an inch.
A little more in Denver and it seems that going east (Colorado plains onward), they're gonna get a blizzard.
Total accumulation here should be any where from 5-10 inches by Xmas eve.
Temp 21 (f)
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:17:14am |
re: #157 lawhawk
It's not the egg yolk or white, but the shells that carry the salmonella bacteria. /alton brown
I had a boss who got fined because the health department wanted him to wash his hands after every egg he cracked. No shit.
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Bubblehead II Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:17:25am |
re: #144 MandyManners
Nothing more dangerous than a women scorned.
Which is why I got my wife exactly what she wanted this year
All in Baby Blue
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:17:59am |
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Slap Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:17:59am |
I may have linked this wrong a couple of days ago.
Christmas goofiness from two utterly unique voices:
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:18:34am |
re: #163 Bubblehead II
Nothing more dangerous than a women scorned.
Which is why I got my wife exactly what she wanted this year
All in Baby Blue
That's your wife? Does she know you are posting pictures of here in her underwear on the internets.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:18:46am |
re: #163 Bubblehead II
Nothing more dangerous than a women scorned.
Which is why I got my wife exactly what she wanted this year
All in Baby Blue
Looks snuggly!
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:19:04am |
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Bubblehead II Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:20:35am |
re: #166 Walter L. Newton
Nah, my wife is better looking ;-)
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:20:48am |
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Honorary Consul General Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:21:12am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:21:31am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:21:34am |
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Bubblehead II Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:21:52am |
re: #167 MandyManners
She thinks they will be. Better than one of those snuggie blankets anyway.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:21:59am |
Yule be sorry if you don't watch Miracle on whateverth Street.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:24:15am |
re: #175 Bubblehead II
She thinks they will be. Better than one of those snuggie blankets anyway.
You could be her snuggie blanket!
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:24:34am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:24:50am |
BBIAM... got to slosh out to the mailbox to put something in it. If I don't make it back in the snow, my boot size is 9 1/2, follow the foot prints.re: #177 vxbush
Oh, yes! Happy Pre-birthday to you!
Thanks... (I'm pimping birthday wishes)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:26:46am |
re: #161 Walter L. Newton
I like dry snow. It squeaks when you walk on it.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:28:46am |
re: #180 Walter L. Newton
BBIAM... got to slosh out to the mailbox to put something in it. If I don't make it back in the snow, my boot size is 9 1/2, follow the foot prints.
Thanks... (I'm pimping birthday wishes)
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
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Bubblehead II Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:29:01am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:31:15am |
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:32:31am |
this is interesting...probably deserves more attention
While the greenies of the world united in Copenhagen to talk about the weather, emitting a Third World-country-size chunk of greenhouse gases to gather there, the world's largest oil company, Exxon Mobil, was doing something about it.
[Link: www.investors.com...]
lo and behold, Soro's name pops up
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Bubblehead II Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:33:06am |
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:33:20am |
re: #181 oaktree
I like dry snow. It squeaks when you walk on it.
and skies slide over nicely too...whooosh!
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SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:33:55am |
Good morning, all! Anything interesting going on in your neck of the woods?
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ED 209 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:34:28am |
re: #132 The Curmudgeon
Curmudgeonly thought for the day: I am surrounded by fools! Actually, that's what I think every day.
Yep, wherever you go, there you are.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:39:03am |
re: #188 albusteve
this is interesting...probably deserves more attention
While the greenies of the world united in Copenhagen to talk about the weather, emitting a Third World-country-size chunk of greenhouse gases to gather there, the world's largest oil company, Exxon Mobil, was doing something about it.
[Link: www.investors.com...]
lo and behold, Soro's name pops up
Sorry Steve... that article could not possibly have any validity to it. In the article, they call the Climate Research Unit at the University of Anglia a "tangled web of deception."
Any writer who would say that is dishonest and I would put NO faith in anything in that article.
Try again.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:42:46am |
re: #134 Mad Al-Jaffee
Of snowness and of sleeves: 15 strange holiday songs that deserve to be Christmas classics
Most offensive Christmas song ever. (NSFW and not for the sensitive)
(This song was written during the Clinton administration, to provide some context)
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Spider Mensch Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:43:14am |
Creepy Christmas movie, vignette actually..the old "Tales from Crypt" from the early 70's or late 60's..the episode were Joan Collins kills her husband on Christmas eve, while the little daughter is asleep upstairs. then she hears on the radio an ecscaped homicidal maniac is loose in the area dressed as Santa Claus..and the the murdering Santa comes to the house and breaks in...creepy Christmas!!! Mwhahahaha!!
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:45:38am |
Fellow AZ prosecutor pens editorial about Sheriff Joe and the Maricopa County prosecutor:
[Link: www.azcentral.com...]
Our vocation is to seek justice. When one of us forsakes our role as protectors of the Constitution, it is up to the others to call him out.Andrew Thomas and Joe Arpaio have strayed from their constitutional duties.
They serve at the pleasure of the people.
Every citizen should be concerned about the ongoing damage to the rule of law.
The sheriffs response? Well, the prosecutor is obviously part of a conspiracy:
[Link: www.azcentral.com...]
The conspiracy that won't stop
.......
Arpaio's chief deputy, David Hendershott, told reporters Monday that once he learned of Polk's column over the weekend, he notified the FBI that they should investigate Polk for hindering the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office's corruption investigations.
You just can't get much nuttier than that.
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:46:17am |
re: #193 Walter L. Newton
Sorry Steve... that article could not possibly have any validity to it. In the article, they call the Climate Research Unit at the University of Anglia a "tangled web of deception."
Any writer who would say that is dishonest and I would put NO faith in anything in that article.
Try again.
I saw that and posted it anyway...you're right, there probably is no gas in the Bakken field...another rightwing scam to discredit Ed Markey
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Ericus58 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:46:29am |
It's a Wonderful Life... and Bing Crosby music.
I'm old fashion.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:46:59am |
re: #197 albusteve
I saw that and posted it anyway...you're right, there probably is no gas in the Bakken field...another rightwing scam to discredit Ed Markey
Just trying to keep you from leaving the fold.
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:47:57am |
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Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:48:02am |
re: #198 Ericus58
It's a Wonderful Life... and Bing Crosby music.
I'm old fashion.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Maybe it says something about me - perhaps it's some sort of twisted synesthesia deal - but every time I hear Bing Crosby's "White Christmas," I have this image, like a scene from a movie:
It's a guy - late 40's, several days' stubble on his face - sitting at a crappy walnut-stained birch table. There's dingy green carpet on the floor, the walls are some sorta dirty yellowish mess from years of heavy indoor smoking, a bare bulb burns in a lamp without a shade in the corner behind his left shoulder.
On the table in front of him is an ashtray overflowing with butts, a couple old newspapers, a paper cup full of cigarette butts, a fifth with about two fingers of bourbon left in it. He's wearing a Santa Claus hat, the white trim streaked and soiled, the red felt matted and worn in places. He's staring at something about a half-mile away, on the other side of the wall, unblinking.
Honestly, every freakin' time I hear that song, that's the image I get.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:48:19am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:48:53am |
re: #198 Ericus58
It's a Wonderful Life... and Bing Crosby music.
I'm old fashion.
I work at a live theatre, I just got finished with a run of performances of "It's a Wonderful Life" since Nov. 13th. I don't even want to hear a bell tinkle... bah... I'm the son of a bitch who stole the Grinch (tm)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:49:26am |
And now a cat story involving snow.
Back around Christmas of 1992, when the two Siamese (Sherman and Thomas) were in their relative youth, I was out shoveling at twilight the 3-4 inches of snow that had fallen that day.
I'd started down by the garage, planning to work my way up the driveway to the top, figuring the plow would have passed by then to put that extra thick pile of road snow at the entrance. The cats were sitting at the entrance to the garage, supervising.
I noticed movement at the corner of my eye and turned to see Sherman moving quickly along a cleared section of driveway. He turned into the backyard and took two steps into the actual snow, then did a leap two feet farther (and about a foot in vertical height). He came down with all four paws closely together into what looked like just a plain patch of undisturbed snow.
He then backed up about six inches and started pawing at something down under the surface of the snow. That didn't work, so he then sticks his entire face into the snow. Then brings it out and snaps his head back...
This causes the mouse he has grabbed to go flying about 4-5 feet behind him and about three feet in the air. Midway through the flight the mouse squeaks. The mouse lands on the snow, lies there a few seconds, and then tunnels down into the snow.
A few seconds after that, the *other* cat lands on the spot where the mouse had tunneled down. Same procedure, and the mouse gets tossed in the air back in the general direction of the first cat.
Another full round of "volley mouse" completes before I successfully distract them and give the mouse the chance to escape.
Note: I don't hold this as the cats being "cruel". They are essentially wired to treat prey this way. And the "playing" is one way to ensure the potential meal is not in condition to make a final defensive attack that can hurt the predator. And generally with prey caught outdoors by my cats I will get the caught animal released (if reasonable). All bets are off indoors since small animals caught there are recategorized as "vermin" and thus dispatched with the cat getting a suitable reward.
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:50:10am |
another outrageous lie from IBD....
• This was a vote on a Democrat-concocted scheme that Americans have rejected every time it's been proposed for 100 years and that is opposed again, by 54% to 41% by the public at large, by 2-to-1 by practicing physicians and by every last member on the Republican side of the aisle.
[Link: www.investors.com...]
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:50:54am |
re: #190 albusteve
Definitely. Dry cold snow means harder (and easier to handle) wax for the cross-country skis. Getting the klister wax needed for traction in slop off the skis can require a blow torch.
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:51:48am |
re: #149 Walter L. Newton
My favorite Christmas movie of all time is "Diehard."
Good one but my favorite is "The Ref".
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:51:57am |
Need to work up a pot of coffee and clean up a bit... so I'm all squeaky clean and fresh for sitting around, drinking coffee and enjoying the snow outside. It's 3 weeks vacation from the theatre, I don't go back to work until Jan 10th.
bbiab...
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KingKenrod Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:54:40am |
re: #205 albusteve
another outrageous lie from IBD...
• This was a vote on a Democrat-concocted scheme that Americans have rejected every time it's been proposed for 100 years and that is opposed again, by 54% to 41% by the public at large, by 2-to-1 by practicing physicians and by every last member on the Republican side of the aisle.
[Link: www.investors.com...]
What's the lie part?
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:55:15am |
re: #206 oaktree
Definitely. Dry cold snow means harder (and easier to handle) wax for the cross-country skis. Getting the klister wax needed for traction in slop off the skis can require a blow torch.
blow drier worked for me...but I got to the point, after buying steel edged Rossignol's tellys, just put any old thing on there and was good enough....there is nothing wrong with no wax skies either, especially if you like climbing and bushwhacking, which I did
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:56:22am |
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Sharmuta Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:56:23am |
re: #201 Guanxi88
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Maybe it says something about me - perhaps it's some sort of twisted synesthesia deal - but every time I hear Bing Crosby's "White Christmas," I have this image, like a scene from a movie:
It's a guy - late 40's, several days' stubble on his face - sitting at a crappy walnut-stained birch table. There's dingy green carpet on the floor, the walls are some sorta dirty yellowish mess from years of heavy indoor smoking, a bare bulb burns in a lamp without a shade in the corner behind his left shoulder.
On the table in front of him is an ashtray overflowing with butts, a couple old newspapers, a paper cup full of cigarette butts, a fifth with about two fingers of bourbon left in it. He's wearing a Santa Claus hat, the white trim streaked and soiled, the red felt matted and worn in places. He's staring at something about a half-mile away, on the other side of the wall, unblinking.
Honestly, every freakin' time I hear that song, that's the image I get.
Really? I always see a 7 year old Macaulay Culkin singing into a hairbrush.
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:57:33am |
re: #201 Guanxi88
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Maybe it says something about me - perhaps it's some sort of twisted synesthesia deal - but every time I hear Bing Crosby's "White Christmas," I have this image, like a scene from a movie:
It's a guy - late 40's, several days' stubble on his face - sitting at a crappy walnut-stained birch table. There's dingy green carpet on the floor, the walls are some sorta dirty yellowish mess from years of heavy indoor smoking, a bare bulb burns in a lamp without a shade in the corner behind his left shoulder.
On the table in front of him is an ashtray overflowing with butts, a couple old newspapers, a paper cup full of cigarette butts, a fifth with about two fingers of bourbon left in it. He's wearing a Santa Claus hat, the white trim streaked and soiled, the red felt matted and worn in places. He's staring at something about a half-mile away, on the other side of the wall, unblinking.
Honestly, every freakin' time I hear that song, that's the image I get.
Repressed childhood memory?
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:59:49am |
re: #205 albusteve
another outrageous lie from IBD...
• This was a vote on a Democrat-concocted scheme that Americans have rejected every time it's been proposed for 100 years and that is opposed again, by 54% to 41% by the public at large, by 2-to-1 by practicing physicians and by every last member on the Republican side of the aisle.
[Link: www.investors.com...]
What's the lie?
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:01:37am |
re: #214 MandyManners
What's the lie?
I'm being facetious with Walter...but the bill supporters could find one in the article no doubt
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Sharmuta Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:01:57am |
Security forces clashed with opposition protesters gathered Wednesday for a memorial for Iran's most senior dissident cleric, beating men and women and firing tear gas, reformist Web sites reported.
The gathering at the main mosque in the central city of Isfahan, 200 miles (325 kilometers) southeast of Tehran, was meant to honor Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri, the spiritual leader of the Iranian reformist movement who died Sunday.
[snip]
"They didn't allow anybody to enter the mosque," Salavati told The Associated Press. "Tens of thousands gathered outside for the memorial but were savagely attacked by security forces and the Basijis."
Salavati said baton-wielding riot police clubbed people on the head and shoulders, and kicked men and women alike, injuring dozens. He said sporadic clashes were still going on by mid-day Wednesday. The memorial did not take place, he said.
"I saw at least two people with blood pouring down their face after being beaten by the Basijis," Salavati added.
The reports could not be independently confirmed. The authorities have banned foreign media from covering gatherings in any way connected to the opposition movement.
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:03:42am |
re: #216 Sharmuta
just a pitiful situation and I don't know what anyone can do about it...those people are really laying all out...very courageous
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:04:02am |
re: #194 Alouette
Most offensive Christmas song ever. (NSFW and not for the sensitive)
[Video]
(This song was written during the Clinton administration, to provide some context)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:04:53am |
re: #210 albusteve
No-wax has it's uses, and they have improved over the years. My current pair of skis is no-wax simply due to how rarely I get a chance to get out there and ski.
But with a groomed trail and the right wax combination no-wax just doesn't cut it.
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Lateralis Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:05:07am |
re: #215 albusteve
I just feel really good that congress treats my $'s like it is Monopoly money and use the excuse that is just the way they do things when creating legislation. I wonder if they can make a line item for me and give me back some of my money.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:05:40am |
re: #213 Locker
Repressed childhood memory?
Ghost of Christmas future, perhaps?
Honestly, though, I get maudlin as all Hell at this time of year, which is funny, because I've got a not-so-terrible life (rejected first draft title of Capra's famous film).
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:05:53am |
re: #215 albusteve
I'm being facetious with Walter...but the bill supporters could find one in the article no doubt
Well, it's IBD. It *must* be evil and filled with lies. It has "business" in it.
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Sharmuta Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:06:53am |
re: #220 Lateralis
I just feel really good that congress treats my $'s like it is Monopoly money and use the excuse that is just the way they do things when creating legislation. I wonder if they can make a line item for me and give me back some of my money.
HAAhahahaha! You think anyone gives a crap about fiscal discipline? Keep dreaming.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:07:01am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:07:33am |
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:07:52am |
"This is not an administration that takes bad news well," Jennifer Rubin wrote on Commentary's blog, referring to Robert Gibbs' fit when asked to explain the Gallup poll showing the president taking on water, sinking into the high-to-mid 40s, and losing ground fast. Neither apparently does much of the left, which, faced with cratering numbers for both the health care proposals and for global warming, responded with all of the rational discourse and respect for debate and dissenting opinion that has made them so widely beloved.
[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
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Lateralis Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:09:08am |
re: #223 Sharmuta
HAAhahahaha! You think anyone gives a crap about fiscal discipline? Keep dreaming.
Not a chance and that is one of the reasons why the system is so broke.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:09:52am |
re: #223 Sharmuta
Indeed. The Democrats have gamed the CBO scoring on budget items, including the health care bill - which must take into account the law as currently written, not what Congress usually does annually (like AMT extenders, etc.). They have to figure that the Bush tax cuts will actually sunset in 2010/2011, because that's the way the law is currently written, even though it is possible that some of those tax cuts will be extended (therefore affecting the health care bill figures).
The estimates aren't the same thing as predictions, because that's not the job of the CBO.
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:10:30am |
re: #219 oaktree
No-wax has it's uses, and they have improved over the years. My current pair of skis is no-wax simply due to how rarely I get a chance to get out there and ski.
But with a groomed trail and the right wax combination no-wax just doesn't cut it.
groomed trails are a blast...my Rossi's are a tad wider than needed but they fly down a trail pretty good, and I love going downhill on those skies
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Ericus58 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:13:38am |
re: #218 MandyManners
I was tasting some holiday food here at work and just about launched a morsel at my laptop display.... thanks!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:15:43am |
re: #229 albusteve
If you're bushwacking you want the wider skis and the metal edges though.
Back in the day (late 70s) I had three pairs of skis. A pair of Trax no-wax for slop days and changing conditions. A pair of wax skis (don't recall the make) for going out with friends and family. And a pair of Rossi Racing-X with narrow bindings that I raced in as my high school actually had a cross-country ski team.
And I actually got to ski once on *very* old skis. 8' long, 6" wide, and the bindings were the type with the cable that wrapped around your boot. No pins with special boots on those puppies. Weighed a ton as well.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:17:08am |
re: #230 Ericus58
I was tasting some holiday food here at work and just about launched a morsel at my laptop display... thanks!
Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:19:34am |
I did not know this....
Through the power of the purse, Congress can deny funding to transport enemy combatants into our country to try them in our civilian courts. The civilian trial of KSM and the other 9/11 plotters doesn't have to happen, and we should make sure it doesn't.
Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:20:13am |
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:20:20am |
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Bear Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:22:11am |
My first pair of "cross-country" skis were downhill ones that had cable bindings and removable ''skins".
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:24:13am |
re: #231 oaktree
If you're bushwacking you want the wider skis and the metal edges though.
Back in the day (late 70s) I had three pairs of skis. A pair of Trax no-wax for slop days and changing conditions. A pair of wax skis (don't recall the make) for going out with friends and family. And a pair of Rossi Racing-X with narrow bindings that I raced in as my high school actually had a cross-country ski team.
And I actually got to ski once on *very* old skis. 8' long, 6" wide, and the bindings were the type with the cable that wrapped around your boot. No pins with special boots on those puppies. Weighed a ton as well.
that's the point with no wax beaters...I didn't like taking my expensive Rossi's off road...so in the end I just lost interest in wax...I would clean and sharpen then and toss some light hard wax on once a season and go
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Bear Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:25:13am |
re: #234 albusteve
Fat chance tho with the present makeup of Congress.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:26:43am |
re: #236 Alouette
My favorite South Park Christmas episode is Woodland Critters.
Yes, a great episode, indeed. I howl like a loon every time I see it.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:26:50am |
re: #236 Alouette
My favorite South Park Christmas episode is Woodland Critters.
I wonder if Trey and Matt had any idea how successful they and their warped senses of humor would become.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:27:44am |
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:29:03am |
re: #239 Bear
Fat chance tho with the present makeup of Congress.
probably not, but the donks are not as united as BO would hope...it would be worth putting up a fight imo...this idea is just a crackpot shot at the Bush admin, a very bad, political decision
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:29:14am |
re: #238 albusteve
I'm essentially at the same point. I have a pair of no-wax that act as beaters since I get on groomed trails so rarely. Don't have to maintain 2-3 sets of boots anymore either to handle the different kind of bindings.
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truth stick Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:29:35am |
re: #240 Guanxi88
Yes, a great episode, indeed. I howl like a loon every time I see it.
I like Red Sleigh Down, more than the Xmas critters one.....but mainly because I want some of Santa's Rockets that I can shoot at my house, and have all the lights and tree put up, with just the push of one button
| 246 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:30:05am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:31:09am |
re: #245 truth stick
For an armed Santa response how about Futurama's Robot Santa. Christmas converted into a holiday that brings a bunker mentality with it.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:32:22am |
re: #247 oaktree
For an armed Santa response how about Futurama's Robot Santa. Christmas converted into a holiday that brings a bunker mentality with it.
I love the Japanese robot Santa from the Simpsons episode that John Waters was on.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:32:22am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:32:57am |
I'm listening to a local talk show host on the radio reading pieces of a Garrison Keillor column, which sounds very anti-semitic as far as I can tell. I can't find a thread about that... did I miss something?
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:34:21am |
re: #250 MandyManners
Remember the cop who brought a gun to a snow-ball fight?
[Video]
Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier said she watched video clips from the confrontation and has no doubt the off-duty detective pulled his gun after snowballs hit his personal car during Saturday's record snowfall.
"Let me be very clear in stating that I believe the actions of the officer were totally inappropriate!" Lanier said in a statement after the videos made the rounds on YouTube. "In no way should he have handled the situation in this manner."
Lanier said the detective, whom she did not identify, did not deny the accusations. He is on desk duty until an investigation is complete.
Hundreds of people gathered for the snowball fight on a major street after organizers used social networks such as Twitter to advertise it.
One video posted on YouTube showed a man holding what appears to be a gun in the snowy street. Another video shows the same man telling people he is "Detective Baylor" and he pulled his gun because he was hit by snowballs.
At one point, the crowd begins to chant: "Don't bring a gun to a snowball fight!"
Assistant Police Chief Peter Newsham told reporters Monday that the detective's badge and weapon have been withdrawn. He said the detective has more than 25 years of experience and a good reputation.
SNIP
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:35:01am |
re: #251 Walter L. Newton
I'm listening to a local talk show host on the radio reading pieces of a Garrison Keillor column, which sounds very anti-semitic as far as I can tell. I can't find a thread about that... did I miss something?
I blogged it, but there hasn't been a thread here on LGF.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:35:08am |
re: #251 Walter L. Newton
I'm listening to a local talk show host on the radio reading pieces of a Garrison Keillor column, which sounds very anti-semitic as far as I can tell. I can't find a thread about that... did I miss something?
There have been some posts about it here.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:35:45am |
re: #251 Walter L. Newton
If it's the column with him complaining about Christmas music, Jews, and Unitarians then it doesn't have its own thread but it has come up a few times in passing in other threads.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:35:58am |
re: #252 MandyManners
Lanier said the detective, whom she did not identify, did not deny the accusations. He is on desk duty until an investigation is complete.
"Detective Pulls Gun When Fellow Officer Brushes Against His Desk"
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vxbush Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:36:35am |
re: #248 SteveC
Every Christmas Eve, Sweden celebrates Christmas with a Disney movie
How fascinating, anthropologically speaking.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:37:10am |
re: #250 MandyManners
Remember the cop who brought a gun to a snow-ball fight?
[Video]
SNIPUnion chief Kristopher Baumann said Tuesday it's questionable whether Detective Michael Baylor will get a fair and unbiased investigation by the department. He said Lanier should wait for the investigation to close before passing judgment.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:37:38am |
re: #251 Walter L. Newton
I'm listening to a local talk show host on the radio reading pieces of a Garrison Keillor column, which sounds very anti-semitic as far as I can tell. I can't find a thread about that... did I miss something?
A liberal being anti-semitic? Nooo. Never.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:37:57am |
re: #251 Walter L. Newton
And Ed Brayton's taken a shot at it on his blog as well.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:38:16am |
re: #256 Walter L. Newton
"Detective Pulls Gun When Fellow Officer Brushes Against His Desk"
"Detective Pulls Gun When Santa Passes over his House"
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:40:52am |
Finally: After upgrading my mobo, ram, processor, and installing windows 7, I found my computer rebooting almost randomly.
Turns out that 1333 RAM I have actually only works as stable at 1066.
Oh, and I had to take all but one stick out to install in the first place.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:41:41am |
re: #254 Mad Al-Jaffee
There have been some posts about it here.
I search and found the few posts, I just thought I had missed a thread. From what I heard in this column, his anti-semitic remarks were certainly as nasty as any right-wing racist I've heard lately.
I'm probably being too sensitive.
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vxbush Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:42:23am |
re: #263 Obdicut
Finally: After upgrading my mobo, ram, processor, and installing windows 7, I found my computer rebooting almost randomly.
Turns out that 1333 RAM I have actually only works as stable at 1066.
Oh, and I had to take all but one stick out to install in the first place.
Blech. I hate RAM problems. Gives me headaches.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:42:32am |
re: #253 Alouette
I blogged it, but there hasn't been a thread here on LGF.
If you don't believe Jesus was God, OK, go write your own damn "Silent Night" and leave ours alone. This is spiritual piracy and cultural elitism, and we Christians have stood for it long enough. And all those lousy holiday songs by Jewish guys that trash up the malls every year, Rudolph and the chestnuts and the rest of that dreck. Did one of our guys write "Grab your loafers, come along if you wanna, and we'll blow that shofar for Rosh Hashanah"? No, we didn't.
Christmas is a Christian holiday - if you're not in the club, then buzz off. Celebrate Yule instead or dance around in druid robes for the solstice. Go light a big log, go wassailing and falalaing until you fall down, eat figgy pudding until you puke, but don't mess with the Messiah.
Wow.
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:42:58am |
our deadly school children...they nearly killed this boy
Investigators said the teenagers jumped Muneton on Friday as he walked home from school to get back at him for an earlier incident during which the eighth-grader accidentally hit a girl with a basketball.
[Link: wcbstv.com...]
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:43:10am |
re: #264 Walter L. Newton
I search and found the few posts, I just thought I had missed a thread. From what I heard in this column, his anti-semitic remarks were certainly as nasty as any right-wing racist I've heard lately.
I'm probably being too sensitive.
Alouette has it at No. 263.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:43:11am |
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:43:29am |
re: #264 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter! All the snow melted! I thought I'd have my first white Christmas this year...Send snow!
/hope today finds you well
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:46:06am |
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:46:30am |
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:46:35am |
re: #265 vxbush
Seriously. The embarassing part is that I didn't even think of taking out all but one stick on my own-- that was microsoft.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:47:06am |
re: #270 HoosierHoops
Hi Walter! All the snow melted! I thought I'd have my first white Christmas this year...Send snow!
/hope today finds you well
Our snow is a lazy snow right now... they keep predicting all sorts of totals by tomorrow evening, 3-6, 5-10 inches... the mountains are getting the very western edge of this, Denver is getting more, the plains will be getting a blizzard... this is more a north-eastern storm, not coming in from the north-west.
But we have had snow on the ground for a month and a half, so it would be white no matter what.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:48:30am |
re: #272 MandyManners
Maybe we are being too sensitive, considering I could barely find much blogging on this... it seems that it's not a big deal... maybe it was satire and a few of us missed it?
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:48:43am |
re: #234 albusteve
Actually, Congress has already decided not to shut Gitmo. They provide no funding for the conversion of the prison in Illinois into a facility to hold Gitmo detainees. That means that it will be 2011 at the earliest before Gitmo's detainee facility is shuttered.
Oh, and while McCarthy is a lawyer, the cowriter of the op-ed is none other than Michelle Bachmann.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:49:29am |
re: #251 Walter L. Newton
I'm listening to a local talk show host on the radio reading pieces of a Garrison Keillor column, which sounds very anti-semitic as far as I can tell. I can't find a thread about that... did I miss something?
It was mentioned a few times, but hasn't had a thread devoted to it.
Keillor's an ass. If all of his many problems weren't completely of his own making, he'd be a pathetic ass. But he doesn't qualify.
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vxbush Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:49:43am |
re: #273 Obdicut
Seriously. The embarassing part is that I didn't even think of taking out all but one stick on my own-- that was microsoft.
RAM is amazingly difficult to troubleshoot, in my experience.
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Slap Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:50:31am |
This guy is a Sac Bee columnist that isn't afraid to go toe-to-toe with idiot commenters. He regularly engages the people who choose to comment on his columns -- there have been times when the back-and-forth goes on for pages. So far, the comments have been slow, but oh-too-typical of the type of teapartystormfront idiocy that runs rampant on their comment boards.
Anyway, it's no news to LGFers, but I enjoyed his column today:
Thought I'd share it.
Merry Christmas, too!
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:50:56am |
re: #272 MandyManners
Yeah, I've been talking about this for a couple of days. It really, really outraged me.
You know who wrote "Silver Bells"? Jay Livingston and Ray Evans. You know what Jay Livingston's birth name was? Jacob Levison. Changed his name to avoid exactly this kind of anti-Jewish hate from provincial assholes like Keillor has turned out to be.
Oh, and Evans was Jewish too.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:52:10am |
re: #275 Walter L. Newton
Maybe we are being too sensitive, considering I could barely find much blogging on this... it seems that it's not a big deal... maybe it was satire and a few of us missed it?
I believe you and I are quite capable of deciding what offends us and if we are too sensitive or not.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:52:59am |
re: #277 SixDegrees
It was mentioned a few times, but hasn't had a thread devoted to it.
Keillor's an ass. If all of his many problems weren't completely of his own making, he'd be a pathetic ass. But he doesn't qualify.
I see Huffington covered it too. According to this, it's nothing to get your panties in a ruffle about...
"What seems to offend is a brief and benign swipe at Jewish songwriters who appropriated Christmas for commercial purposes with shallow, meaningless songs about Rudolph, etc. Needless to say, some Jewish blogs are overly self-righteous, too: "Garrison Keillor Doesn't Like Jews Writing Christmas Songs."
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:53:02am |
re: #276 lawhawk
Actually, Congress has already decided not to shut Gitmo. They provide no funding for the conversion of the prison in Illinois into a facility to hold Gitmo detainees. That means that it will be 2011 at the earliest before Gitmo's detainee facility is shuttered.
Oh, and while McCarthy is a lawyer, the cowriter of the op-ed is none other than Michelle Bachmann.
I saw her at the very bottom, below the highlight...ha!...I don't care, I agree with all of it, but the funding part I thought was worth posting
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:54:23am |
Ben Hur
Your Link today-
Great catch on China at Copenhagen. Thank you. Nothing like an eye witness at an event like that.
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SteveC Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:54:25am |
Hugo Chavez: "Look! Up in the sky! Spy planes!"
Colombian Defense Minister: Spy planes? I think you just saw Santa Claus."
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:55:21am |
re: #280 Obdicut
Yeah, I've been talking about this for a couple of days. It really, really outraged me.
You know who wrote "Silver Bells"? Jay Livingston and Ray Evans. You know what Jay Livingston's birth name was? Jacob Levison. Changed his name to avoid exactly this kind of anti-Jewish hate from provincial assholes like Keillor has turned out to be.
Oh, and Evans was Jewish too.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:55:55am |
This is s repost from last night. But I really wanted to discuss this on a more active thread.
OK, I have been meaning to write something about this for some time. It's a boring discussion about journal papers. However, there are some things I want to point out about scientific papers, peer review and journals in general.
The process is not perfect and I will give examples as I go. However, in some sort of ensemble average, it works well - or perhaps as well as possible.
So first off, not all journals are created equal. There are top flight, journals of note that are hard to get even a very good paper into.
If you are in physics they are PRL, Phys Rev, Nature and Science.
These journals strive to promote papers that they feel are of general import to a large community. The idea is that the paper is there to represent the newest and most important discoveries in a given field. Phys Rev is divided into several sub parts, for instance, phys rev D is particle physics. PRLs (physical review letters) are seen to be important for the whole physics community in principle and are short communications that frequently have a longer paper or two associated with them in Phys Rev or someplace else.
Getting into these journals does not make a paper perfect. There are dozens of great papers that should have gotten in and dozens that were flawed. In my own career, one of my first papers was actually pointing out flaws in a PRL and the group that wrote that paper later retracted their findings. However, their flaw was not glaring and they reported their results in good faith. They were just wrong. It happens and the main point of science is that the community scrutinizes work. It does not end at peer review.
After this tier of journals, there are more specialized journals. For instance, the British Journal of Fluids is huge and wonderful to be published in if you are a fluid dynamicist. More than once a paper that should have been in a "bigger journal" ended up in one of these journals and later became huge. Also more than once, it was a specialized paper that would be of great interest to a certain community, and that journal was the perfect one for it.
Beneath that tier, journals get either more specialized or more obscure.
Occasionally, as in rarely, a paper that later became huge but was way ahead of its time, or just not properly received, could only find its way into one of the more obscure journals. Sometimes these journals are a good place to publish a crazy idea that might be right... and if it turns out to be right, then you got it out there, and if it turns out to be crazy, well not many people read that journal...
The best measure of a paper is how many citations it has received. A paper with 500 citations is one that 500 other papers saw fit to mention as part of their arguments. A paper with over 500 citations is simply huge. 1000 citations is seminal.
In fact, a paper with 50 citations is very respectable. That means that 50 other researchers or research groups are using your stuff in their own arguments and presumably as part of their own story with their own results that also in turn back yours up.
Again rarely, a paper might languish for years and then get rediscovered only to later receive the response it deserves. This can happen for many reasons. But, this is rare.
Also it should be mentioned that proceedings of national academies are big deals too. A report from the National Academy or the Royal Society has been past many sets of eyes before publication. These are not trivial things.
So as a lay person looking at a sea of papers, if you see one with 500 citations from a top flight journal, chances are that science in it is very, very sound. If you see a paper with no citations from the Physical Journal of the East Slovenia fire fighters association, quite possibly much less so.
I bring this because if you look at the big papers and the big proceedings, you will find that AGW is supported and that Evolution is real.
On the other hand, the Disco Institute publishes elsewhere.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:56:44am |
re: #282 Walter L. Newton
I see Huffington covered it too. According to this, it's nothing to get your panties in a ruffle about...
"What seems to offend is a brief and benign swipe at Jewish songwriters who appropriated Christmas for commercial purposes with shallow, meaningless songs about Rudolph, etc. Needless to say, some Jewish blogs are overly self-righteous, too: "Garrison Keillor Doesn't Like Jews Writing Christmas Songs."
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
BRIEF AND BENIGN?!
If you don't believe Jesus was God, OK, go write your own damn "Silent Night" and leave ours alone. This is spiritual piracy and cultural elitism, and we Christians have stood for it long enough. And all those lousy holiday songs by Jewish guys that trash up the malls every year, Rudolph and the chestnuts and the rest of that dreck. Did one of our guys write "Grab your loafers, come along if you wanna, and we'll blow that shofar for Rosh Hashanah"? No, we didn't.
Christmas is a Christian holiday - if you're not in the club, then buzz off. Celebrate Yule instead or dance around in druid robes for the solstice. Go light a big log, go wassailing and falalaing until you fall down, eat figgy pudding until you puke, but don't mess with the Messiah.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:57:19am |
re: #280 Obdicut
Yeah, I've been talking about this for a couple of days. It really, really outraged me.
[snip]
I glad to see that this has bother some people here, consider I really didn't find much objection to it in the blogosphere (or even much mention of it).
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:57:40am |
re: #276 lawhawk
from your blog....
But Democratic leaders refused to include the politically charged measure in the legislation. When lawmakers approved the bill on Dec. 19, it contained no financing for Thomson.
has this factoid been covered by the MSM that you know of?...just curious
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:58:49am |
re: #285 SteveC
Hugo Chavez: "Look! Up in the sky! Spy planes!"
Colombian Defense Minister: Spy planes? I think you just saw Santa Claus."
Chavez on Sunday accused the United States of violating Venezuela's airspace with an unmanned spy plane and ordered his military to be on alert and shoot down any such aircraft.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:59:23am |
re: #290 Walter L. Newton
I glad to see that this has bother some people here, consider I really didn't find much objection to it in the blogosphere (or even much mention of it).
Only Conservatives can be anti-Semitic, Walter.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:59:26am |
re: #290 Walter L. Newton
Once I get free of the nannybot limiting my web access here at work I'm going to do some googling and see how the Unitarians are reacting to it.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:59:28am |
re: #287 LudwigVanQuixote
[snip]
It happens and the main point of science is that the community scrutinizes work. It does not end at peer review.
[snip]
But it does end at skepticism, right?
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 8:59:57am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:01:17am |
re: #294 oaktree
Once I get free of the nannybot limiting my web access here at work I'm going to do some googling and see how the Unitarians are reacting to it.
My concern was how the LEFT was not reacting to it, or calling it "benign."
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Obdicut Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:01:50am |
re: #287 LudwigVanQuixote
Nice post, Ludwig. And to follow up from last night: I'd submit Mendel as the most significant research ever to have only become really important decades after the research was performed. The Modern Synthesis and all that jazz.
re: #290 Walter L. Newton
Everyone I've talked to about it has found it in wildly bad taste. The most generous interpretation is onrushing senility on Keillor's part-- that he actually meant to be light, but badly, terribly misjudged his tone.
I don't think so, though. He sounds like he really, really means it.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:03:58am |
re: #291 albusteve
It came courtesy of the NYT article that notes that Gitmo wont close until 2011 at the earliest. So, yes, they do know and report on it. I've got to believe the Times isn't happy about it, which is why they're reporting it.
But it also lays bare the Congressional and President's politicking that surrounds the Gitmo closure - that the words don't mean much. They can say that they want to close it, but until they put the money up, nothing changes.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:03:59am |
re: #298 Obdicut
Everyone I've talked to about it has found it in wildly bad taste. The most generous interpretation is onrushing senility on Keillor's part-- that he actually meant to be light, but badly, terribly misjudged his tone.
Well, read this "most generous interpretation" at Huffington...
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:04:01am |
re: #282 Walter L. Newton
I see Huffington covered it too. According to this, it's nothing to get your panties in a ruffle about...
"What seems to offend is a brief and benign swipe at Jewish songwriters who appropriated Christmas for commercial purposes with shallow, meaningless songs about Rudolph, etc. Needless to say, some Jewish blogs are overly self-righteous, too: "Garrison Keillor Doesn't Like Jews Writing Christmas Songs."
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
No dog whistles on the Left, apparently.
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:06:04am |
Jesse Venture Body Slams Climate Change "Conspiracy"
"Whether global warming is real or not, some people may be using the issue to earn billions of dollars, start a one-world government and control people's lives," warns the teaser on the website for TruTV (formerly known as Court TV). In the show, a voiceover promises that "Jesse Ventura finds the direct link between global warming and a plot to rule the world."
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:06:33am |
re: #301 The Sanity Inspector
No dog whistles on the Left, apparently.
I'm not familiar with that phrase? Don't know what you are trying to say, really?
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:06:46am |
re: #297 Walter L. Newton
My concern was how the LEFT was not reacting to it, or calling it "benign."
Why the concern? It's been this way for a long, long time.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:06:52am |
re: #295 Walter L. Newton
But it does end at skepticism, right?
Not at all, what your question misses is the difference between legitimate skepticism and politically or dogma motivated crap. Then there is stuff that is just plain wrong.
Suppose the reviewers were completely off their nut one day decided to let a "Earth is Flat paper" get published. Are the authors of that paper "legitimate skeptics" of round earth theory, or are they just crazy?
This issue with the various denier spheres, is that anyone who says anything that could even remotely be construed as something they want to hear, is automatically granted the status of modern Galileo bravely talking truth to power. The fact that the fellow is a weatherman who got published in a 5th tier journal, and that he was widely debunked does not matter to the so called "skeptics." In fact, more often than not, he did not even say what the skeptics think he said. I can not easily count the number of times some one has posted something here that upon quick review was saying the exact opposite of what the deniers hoped it would say.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:07:19am |
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:07:48am |
re: #299 lawhawk
It came courtesy of the NYT article that notes that Gitmo wont close until 2011 at the earliest. So, yes, they do know and report on it. I've got to believe the Times isn't happy about it, which is why they're reporting it.
But it also lays bare the Congressional and President's politicking that surrounds the Gitmo closure - that the words don't mean much. They can say that they want to close it, but until they put the money up, nothing changes.
I was hoping it got slashed all over the TV news...it's a significant story for people that follow that sort of thing
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:08:22am |
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Slap Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:09:24am |
Forgive my ignorance, but what the hell is Kiellor talking about regarding the Episcopal rewrite of Silent Night? Maybe my skil at teh goggling is deficient, but I'm finding not much in reference to this.
He's not talking about the 1863 English translation, is he? 'Cause that was a pretty creative embellishment of the original lyrics to begin with:
Stille Nacht: Literal English translation
It's actually quite beautiful in German, imho.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:09:32am |
re: #305 LudwigVanQuixote
I asked a question yesterday, a general "threw it out to the Lizards" question... (or I may have asked for Charles' opinion)... but anyway, I got no answer, but... maybe you have an opinion.
Where would you hold Scientific American in the stacks of journals?
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:09:48am |
re: #308 HoosierHoops
He is also a 911 truther
Laugh, further down in the article appears our old friend Alex Jones, hilarious.
Other interviewees include Lord Christopher Monckton, perhaps the wackiest and best-known climate skeptic, and Richard Lindzen, an MIT atmospheric physicist and contrarian extraordinaire who claims, falsely, that the global temperature has "stopped increasing." (The show doesn't mention that in the 1990s Lindzen accepted at least $10,000 from fossil-fuel industries to dispute the existence of climate change as an expert witness before Congress and industry-sponsored events.) Ventura's team also solicits the opinion of a "conspiracy expert"— who turns out to be Alex Jones, chief 9/11 conspiracy theorist, radio host, and head of InfoWars.com, the web hub for the tinfoil hat club.
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:10:14am |
re: #302 Locker
That reminds me. I saw a commercial for his tv show recently:
[Link: www.trutv.com...]
What a loon.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:10:55am |
re: #282 Walter L. Newton
I see Huffington covered it too. According to this, it's nothing to get your panties in a ruffle about...
"What seems to offend is a brief and benign swipe at Jewish songwriters who appropriated Christmas for commercial purposes with shallow, meaningless songs about Rudolph, etc. Needless to say, some Jewish blogs are overly self-righteous, too: "Garrison Keillor Doesn't Like Jews Writing Christmas Songs."
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
I read the column; it's over at Salon. It's everything I loathe about Keillor - including a condemnation of all of Norway as a swipe at his first marriage that crumbled under the weight of his personality a quarter century ago.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:11:32am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:12:12am |
re: #305 LudwigVanQuixote
Not at all, what your question misses is the difference between legitimate skepticism and politically or dogma motivated crap.
[snip]
And who makes/what makes/how is the decision made that some science is legitimate skepticism and some is not?
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:12:31am |
re: #309 Slap
Forgive my ignorance, but what the hell is Kiellor talking about regarding the Episcopal rewrite of Silent Night? Maybe my skil at teh goggling is deficient, but I'm finding not much in reference to this.
He's not talking about the 1863 English translation, is he? 'Cause that was a pretty creative embellishment of the original lyrics to begin with:
Stille Nacht: Literal English translation
It's actually quite beautiful in German, imho.
I've never heard anyone say something sounded beautiful in German before... and I am German (partially), my great grandma could barely speak English. Every sentence she uttered sounded like a yak trying to clear phlegm from it's throat.
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Slap Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:12:38am |
re: #314 LudwigVanQuixote
You have a great ability to use just the right number of words to express your ideas....
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:13:42am |
re: #309 Slap
Forgive my ignorance, but what the hell is Kiellor talking about regarding the Episcopal rewrite of Silent Night? Maybe my skil at teh goggling is deficient, but I'm finding not much in reference to this.
He's not talking about the 1863 English translation, is he? 'Cause that was a pretty creative embellishment of the original lyrics to begin with:
Stille Nacht: Literal English translation
It's actually quite beautiful in German, imho.
I think most of the concern over his essay is his apparent anti-semitism in the article.
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:13:46am |
re: #315 Walter L. Newton
And who makes/what makes/how is the decision made that some science is legitimate skepticism and some is not?
I'm gonna go ahead and say testable scientific information, or the lack there of?
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:14:14am |
Blackberry service is down again; 2d time this week.
And Amtrak/NJ Transit service on the NE Corridor is cancelled until further notice because of a power failure before the Hudson River tunnels. No traffic in and out of NY Penn Station.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:14:21am |
re: #310 Walter L. Newton
I asked a question yesterday, a general "threw it out to the Lizards" question... (or I may have asked for Charles' opinion)... but anyway, I got no answer, but... maybe you have an opinion.
Where would you hold Scientific American in the stacks of journals?
Scientific American is not a journal. It is a magazine written for lay people. However, it is easily the best magazine of its kind. Many of the articles in Sci Am are written by the actual researchers themselves - on a lay person level.
So as a rule of thumb, it's pretty good. I say that in the same way I would say that a the information gained is comparable to a good Nova special.
As to being a research journal, not at all.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:14:48am |
re: #316 Locker
I've never heard anyone say something sounded beautiful in German before... and I am German (partially), my great grandma could barely speak English. Every sentence she uttered sounded like a yak trying to clear phlegm from it's throat.
There we go, no problem with trashing a race or language. I'm German, and that offended me.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:15:17am |
re: #321 LudwigVanQuixote
Scientific American is not a journal. It is a magazine written for lay people. However, it is easily the best magazine of its kind. Many of the articles in Sci Am are written by the actual researchers themselves - on a lay person level.
So as a rule of thumb, it's pretty good. I say that in the same way I would say that a the information gained is comparable to a good Nova special.
As to being a research journal, not at all.
Thanks for that answer.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:15:45am |
Palin doubles down on the Death panels....
Midnight Votes, Backroom Deals, and a Death Panel
,,,,, Democrats are protecting this rationing “death panel” from future change with a procedural hurdle. You have to ask why they’re so concerned about protecting this particular provision. Could it be because bureaucratic rationing is one important way Democrats want to “bend the cost curve” and keep health care spending down?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:15:53am |
re: #321 LudwigVanQuixote
Thanks for that answer. I get that and a whole lot of other "lay" science magazines...
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:16:00am |
re: #303 Walter L. Newton
I'm not familiar with that phrase? Don't know what you are trying to say, really?
"Dog whistle" is code for "code words", wherein a statement is alleged to be intended in a much more racist, anti-semitic, etc. way than a literal reading of it would yield. It presumes bad faith on the part of the writer and intended audience.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:17:26am |
Good morning, good people. Isn't life just wonderful today? (can you tell I'm on vacation?)
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avanti Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:17:51am |
Now "doggate" on the crazy blogs. Someone in New Zealand writes a book on the carbon foot print of pet ownership and suddenly it's a leftist, Obama plot to take your dogs. Examples from a thread on this major issue/:
"If they want to come for my pets, let them. I value the lives of my animal friends more than I do those of anyone trying to take them from me. Bloodshead will ensue…"
or
"They really are. This is just another thing to unite them. The low lifes who believe this are twisted evil scum. It is shocking what these miserable bastards are coming up with. The jihadis will be happy to push this terrorism against dogs not because of GW but because of the fatwa put on dogs by their Pedophile Profit.
Dogs truly are man’s best friend. Only anti-life demons would connive in such a way to eradicate such lovable creatures as dogs.
I despise these vile people."
I've never seen so many off the rails comments about a silly non issue. Could they all just be pulling are leg ? "terrorism against dogs", WTF ?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:17:57am |
re: #326 The Sanity Inspector
"Dog whistle" is code for "code words", wherein a statement is alleged to be intended in a much more racist, anti-semitic, etc. way than a literal reading of it would yield. It presumes bad faith on the part of the writer and intended audience.
Thanks... (I think, that seems more complicated than I imagined, I'm really not sure I still understand).
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:18:23am |
re: #322 Walter L. Newton
There we go, no problem with trashing a race or language. I'm German, and that offended me.
I thought you were American.
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KingKenrod Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:18:26am |
re: #324 Killgore Trout
Palin doubles down on the Death panels...
Midnight Votes, Backroom Deals, and a Death Panel
She's putting "death panel" in scare quotes now, that's progress, right?
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Slap Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:18:31am |
re: #316 Locker
lol....Actually, I meant that the original literal imagery was quite beautiful.
Having lived there for two years, I can say that I no longer think of it as a harsh-sounding language. Once you're surrounded by it, it takes on its own sort of liquid grace....
But them again, I find Verklarte Nacht to be a work of breathtaking beauty. So size your grain of salt appropriately.....
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:19:53am |
re: #330 The Sanity Inspector
I thought you were American.
I said that offended me, period. You ok with that? People go off the rails here about trashy ethnic comments, except when they make them, then is just "funny" huh?
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:21:03am |
re: #322 Walter L. Newton
There we go, no problem with trashing a race or language. I'm German, and that offended me.
Then you'd probably be offended by the fact that I think sauerkraut tastes like shit.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:21:03am |
re: #324 Killgore Trout
And Obama throws a great big monkey wrench into all this, despite the Senate move to vote tomorrow morning; he's not going to move ahead until after the State of the Union address. They're going to try with another porkfest stimulus package first, which also means that after the SotU, Congress will have to deal with - 1) a jobs/porkfest/stimulus package; 2) cap and trade/Copenhagen promises (but don't talk to Feinstein, who killed the alt-energy industry in CA by opposing siting 13 major projects in the Mojave Desert); and 3) the health care bills.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:21:04am |
re: #315 Walter L. Newton
And who makes/what makes/how is the decision made that some science is legitimate skepticism and some is not?
I understand the subjectivity that you are keying into in this question.
The answer is something like I know pornography when I see it, but is a little more definitive.
At some point, the science really does get settled. Say you have something like the fact that CO2 is a GHG. This has been understood since the 1890's - and backed up by millions of different observations since then. Only an idiot says otherwise. So one test, is if someone says something that is absolutely false like the Sun orbits the Earth, or Evolution isn't real etc...
Another test is that they are just crackpot wrong. Claiming that ID is science is another example.
Another test is if they are making a wild sounding claim that is easily debunked - but they just keep coming back. Cold fusion is an example.
At some point, one can cross the line from being legitimately skeptical into foolish. At the end of the day, the data comes in and the question is either resolved or not. I think the biggest test of fool vs legitimate skeptic is in whether or not the data has come in and whether or not he recognizes it.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:21:18am |
re: #317 Slap
You have a great ability to use just the right number of words to express your ideas...
Thanks
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:21:36am |
re: #331 KingKenrod
I guess it's easier than inventing a new talking point.
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:21:44am |
re: #322 Walter L. Newton
There we go, no problem with trashing a race or language. I'm German, and that offended me.
Germans are their own race? I thought we settled that argument 60 years ago.//
Personally, I like the germans....it's those swedes you have to look out for.
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:22:12am |
re: #331 KingKenrod
She's putting "death panel" in scare quotes now, that's progress, right?
she defended her words and said she would use them again, that was news...that she has again is not news
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Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:22:24am |
re: #334 Locker
Then you'd probably be offended by the fact that I think sauerkraut tastes like shit.
I've never had the occasion to make a comparison, but I loves kraut.
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Slap Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:22:52am |
re: #318 Walter L. Newton
Oh, THAT part was easy to pick up. I was mystified by the episcopalian rewrite issue, more out of curiosity than anything else.
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vxbush Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:22:55am |
re: #287 LudwigVanQuixote
I had a friend with a Ph.D. in evolutionary biology tell me that of the journals he read, he felt that as many as 1/3 might have serious problems with them that would be overturned later. That's rare to see in mathematics. We have papers get overturned because counterexamples are finally shown to prove a paper wrong, but that doesn't seem to happen as often in math as it does in other fields--if my friend's estimate is right.
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:23:01am |
re: #334 Locker
Then you'd probably be offended by the fact that I think sauerkraut tastes like shit.
You don't like sauerkraut? That's almost blasphemy, how can you eat a reuben w/o sauerkraut? Heresy!
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:23:14am |
re: #333 Walter L. Newton
I said that offended me, period. You ok with that? People go off the rails here about trashy ethnic comments, except when they make them, then is just "funny" huh?
Yea you said I trashed a race and a language because I don't like how it sounds. That's called personal aesthetic. You must be in a permanent state of "being offended".
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:23:28am |
re: #335 lawhawk
I'm still seeing conflicting reports on when they're going to hold a vote. I wouldn't object to a second stimulus focusing on jobs and small business.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:23:28am |
re: #345 RogueOne
You don't like sauerkraut? That's almost blasphemy, how can you eat a reuben w/o sauerkraut? Heresy!
Locker probably hates Corned Beef, too.
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:23:49am |
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:24:09am |
re: #329 Walter L. Newton
Thanks... (I think, that seems more complicated than I imagined, I'm really not sure I still understand).
Well, let me try again. Say someone published an article in a Korean newspaper about how too many foreign English teachers in the country were under-qualified druggies. Some of the teachers could counter-charge that the article was a "dog whistle", a scarcely concealed appeal to Korean xenophobia. Corresponding American social issues abound.
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Gus Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:24:26am |
Breaking news! /
Balloon Boy father sentenced to 90 days in jail.
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:24:33am |
re: #348 Guanxi88
Locker probably hates Corned Beef, too.
Corned Beef used to take my lunch money in grade school. Curse you Corned Beef!
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:24:41am |
Garrison Keillor is a Christian? Who knew? I would have bet next week's lunch money that the smarmy condescending little poseur wouldn't go near the Gospel for fear of offending his fellow hinterland elitists and backwoods cognocenti.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:25:56am |
re: #351 Gus 802
Breaking news! /
Balloon Boy father sentenced to 90 days in jail.
I love a happy ending! *sniff*
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:26:05am |
re: #348 Guanxi88
Locker probably hates Corned Beef, too.
I'm thinking I'm going to have to call a buddy of mine in homeland security. We'll have to get this straightened out.//
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:26:41am |
re: #327 darthstar
Good morning, good people. Isn't life just wonderful today? (can you tell I'm on vacation?)
I'm on vacation for 2 weeks! Life is good
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Gus Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:27:06am |
re: #354 Shiplord Kirel
I love a happy ending! *sniff*
Yeah. He probably could have gotten more than 90 days considering the mess he caused with public safety agencies.
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:27:14am |
re: #351 Gus 802
Breaking news! /
Balloon Boy father sentenced to 90 days in jail.
Is now the appropriate time to say I feel vindicated? 90 days and 40k seems like an appropriate punishment.
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Slap Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:27:14am |
re: #345 RogueOne
mmmmm.....reubens.......mmmmmm......thinking I might not wait 'til March 17 to corn another brisket.....
".....while visions of melted cheese and juicy sauerkraut and pumpernickel danced in their heads......."
Ah, Christmas....
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:27:17am |
re: #353 Shiplord Kirel
Garrison Keillor is a Christian? Who knew? I would have bet next week's lunch money that the smarmy condescending little poseur wouldn't go near the Gospel for fear of offending his fellow hinterland elitists and backwoods cognocenti.
He's probably trying to get in some Bible thumper's pants. Or he's currently married to an atheist, and his recent, on-the-sleeve conversion is just his latest twist on emotional abuse.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:27:27am |
re: #339 RogueOne
Germans are their own race? I thought we settled that argument 60 years ago.//
Personally, I like the germans...it's those swedes you have to look out for.
I don't find any of the german trashing funny at all. Absolutely AMAZING how if I don't agree with the President, I'm a racist. AMAZING how Garrison Keillor can make anti-semitic remarks like he did and you get articles on Huffington telling us how "benign" his column was...
But, someone makes fun of Germans and the language, comparing someone to sounding like "spit" when they speak... then it's just funny.
I guess I need to check with the Politically Correct List of Races We Can And Can't Make Fun Of.
Thanks for your insight.
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stevemcg Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:27:27am |
re: #322 Walter L. Newton
Wally, I tried to learn German. Went pretty well. The vocabulary was okay and I was able to make out words when I would listen to a German speaker (as opposed to the Romance languages, where I can barely make out discrete words). What drove me crazy were the grammer rules. You have 6 words for "the" and another buch for "a", all dependent on gender (which is not intuitive), case and number. Then, you have to put endings on all the adjectives, also with the same rules, the verbs have their own conjugation rules, and heaven help me with the word order. In English, it goes: I would have gone home first, but I stopped to eat. In German, it's: I would home first gone have, but I to eat stopped. The grammer just drove me crazy.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:27:52am |
re: #353 Shiplord Kirel
Garrison Keillor is a Christian? Who knew? I would have bet next week's lunch money that the smarmy condescending little poseur wouldn't go near the Gospel for fear of offending his fellow hinterland elitists and backwoods cognocenti.
He claims to be Lutheran.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:27:57am |
re: #353 Shiplord Kirel
Garrison Keillor is a Christian? Who knew? I would have bet next week's lunch money that the smarmy condescending little poseur wouldn't go near the Gospel for fear of offending his fellow hinterland elitists and backwoods cognocenti.
If I did needle-point, I'd make a pillow out of that post.
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Gus Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:28:06am |
re: #358 RogueOne
Is now the appropriate time to say I feel vindicated? 90 days and 40k seems like an appropriate punishment.
As long as he doesn't come up with another scam to pay off the 40K. /
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:28:11am |
re: #347 Killgore Trout
I'm still seeing conflicting reports on when they're going to hold a vote. I wouldn't object to a second stimulus focusing on jobs and small business.
800billion doesn't get you very far these days...how much stimulus can the tax payers afford?...you do realize the feds have no money?
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:28:35am |
re: #333 Walter L. Newton
I said that offended me, period. You ok with that? People go off the rails here about trashy ethnic comments, except when they make them, then is just "funny" huh?
As one whose ethnic background has been the inspiration of any number of pop culture landmarks, I guess I have a higher tolerance. I learned early and often the benefits of being able to laugh at myself.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:28:45am |
re: #351 Gus 802
Breaking news! /
Balloon Boy father sentenced to 90 days in jail.
Better than nothing.
Looks like he also has to pay for rescue costs, and is forbidden to profit from the event for the four years he'll be on probation.
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:29:23am |
re: #359 Slap
mmm...reubens...mmm...thinking I might not wait 'til March 17 to corn another brisket...
"...while visions of melted cheese and juicy sauerkraut and pumpernickel danced in their heads..."
Ah, Christmas...
It's a tradition at our house to do it on New Years, isn't that the way it is everywhere?
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:29:34am |
re: #351 Gus 802
Breaking news! /
Balloon Boy father sentenced to 90 days in jail.
I wonder what the restitution will cost him.
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:30:14am |
re: #370 MandyManners
I wonder what the restitution will cost him.
I'm hearing figures around forty grand.
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Gus Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:30:29am |
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:30:41am |
re: #368 SixDegrees
Better than nothing.
Looks like he also has to pay for rescue costs, and is forbidden to profit from the event for the four years he'll be on probation.
And, in four years, no one will remember his insanity.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:31:04am |
re: #362 stevemcg
Wally, I tried to learn German. Went pretty well. The vocabulary was okay and I was able to make out words when I would listen to a German speaker (as opposed to the Romance languages, where I can barely make out discrete words). What drove me crazy were the grammer rules. You have 6 words for "the" and another buch for "a", all dependent on gender (which is not intuitive), case and number. Then, you have to put endings on all the adjectives, also with the same rules, the verbs have their own conjugation rules, and heaven help me with the word order. In English, it goes: I would have gone home first, but I stopped to eat. In German, it's: I would home first gone have, but I to eat stopped. The grammer just drove me crazy.
So, what if someone said to you "Every sentence you utter sounds like a yak trying to clear phlegm from it's throat."
You'd have a ball with that statement, right?
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:31:09am |
re: #358 RogueOne
Is now the appropriate time to say I feel vindicated? 90 days and 40k seems like an appropriate punishment.
30 days in jail..60 days in work release..
and he choked back tears..Guess those acting classes worked out for him
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Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:31:20am |
re: #369 RogueOne
It's a tradition at our house to do it on New Years, isn't that the way it is everywhere?
there's no wrong time or wrong way to unite kraut and corned beef, and attain thereby culinary critical mass.
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Slap Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:31:45am |
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:32:04am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:32:41am |
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RogueOne Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:32:58am |
re: #378 MandyManners
I didn't see any amount in the article Gus linked.
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]
$42k
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:33:12am |
beautiful, giant snowflakes, floating down over Albuquerque at this moment
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Killgore Trout Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:33:23am |
re: #366 albusteve
If they decide it's best to get get the economy rolling again to increase tax revenues then I won't object. Maybe we could have a death panel tax. We'd be rich!
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Blueheron Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:33:54am |
re: #253 Alouette
I blogged it, but there hasn't been a thread here on LGF.
One of the most beloved Christmas songs written by a Jew is "White Christmas". Now how could anyone give that up. It is beautiful.
He says how would Jews feel about Christians writing songs for their holidays? I say if the song is good bring 'em on :))
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:33:58am |
re: #378 MandyManners
I didn't see any amount in the article Gus linked.
Overheard, from another room, on local television news. Not sure if it's true, but it sounds about right considering the scale of the response.
Probably doesn't even come close to the costs of briefly shutting down the airport, though.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:34:23am |
if you are doing any last minute Christmas shopping for a leftist lunatic in your life, here's a suggestion ...
[Link: www.nbcuniversalstore.com...]
or you can buy one for yourself and take a hammer to it :)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:34:32am |
re: #343 vxbush
I had a friend with a Ph.D. in evolutionary biology tell me that of the journals he read, he felt that as many as 1/3 might have serious problems with them that would be overturned later. That's rare to see in mathematics. We have papers get overturned because counterexamples are finally shown to prove a paper wrong, but that doesn't seem to happen as often in math as it does in other fields--if my friend's estimate is right.
Mathematics is a very special case. Most mathematicians are pretty good at what they do, and there is no pesky mother nature to show up and put the kabash on your ideas.
I am not a biologist so I can not comment on that field. What I can say though is that the way science works - the way it really works and is supposed to work, is that you put out in good faith the best and strongest story you can. The rest of the community looks at it. Sometimes people are wrong. They are not obviously wrong at first glance. It is rare for a top tier paper to publish something completely flaky (but it does happen). Sometimes, people might not be wrong, but they don't have as much of a slam dunk as they thought, and sometimes, A null result is still a result.
Eventually enough data comes in to put the question to rest.
On the other hand, something with the chops will get recognized very quickly more often than not. In an age of rapid communications with tens of thousands of researchers, a really earth shaking bit of research has a very good chance of getting seen quickly. Relativity and QM did not languish in obscurity as a great example...neither did gauge theory or the transistor.
The flip side of this is that something that sounds earth shattering but does not have the chops will face a very quick cull. Cold Fusion is an example - though that is a special case, Fleischman and Pons never published.
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:35:11am |
re: #347 Killgore Trout
Any new plan would necessarily mean raising the debt limit again. Congress just passed an extender that lets the government operate through the 1Q 2010.
Any stimulus package necessarily involves a temporary action, when permanent reduction in tax burdens will provide a long term incentive for job growth (and the related tax revenues). If businesses see a short term gain from the bill, they will focus their business decisions (hiring, purchases) based on the tax benefit incurred for that time period. Moreover, the tax changes means that an already complex tax code will get even more complex.
My copy of the tax code is now over 4,100 pages. And the 6 volume set of Fed Tax Regs can kill a bookcase with a stare. It makes compliance, particularly on complex issues like net operating loss deductions (one of the keys to business tax relief) crazy - especially when every state handles it differently.
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darthstar Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:35:15am |
re: #373 MandyManners
And, in four years, no one will remember his insanity.
So he's got a shot as Palin's running mate then? I think Palin/Heene 2012 could be a most entertaining ticket..."Our honesty knows no bounds!"
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exelwood Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:35:16am |
re: #275 Walter L. Newton
Maybe we are being too sensitive, considering I could barely find much blogging on this... it seems that it's not a big deal... maybe it was satire and a few of us missed it?
It's not like it was Glenn Beck or anything, you have to consider the source. Garrison is a stand up guy, I remember his first show after Bush was re-elected, the poor bastard was dragging his guts around the stage crying like a six year old girl.
I would give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe age or a couple of scotches while writing the column but I'm sure he isn't really pissed over a few C******** songs!
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:35:23am |
re: #383 Blueheron
One of the most beloved Christmas songs written by a Jew is "White Christmas". Now how could anyone give that up. It is beautiful.
He says how would Jews feel about Christians writing songs for their holidays? I say if the song is good bring 'em on :))
If you read the words it is a very bittersweet song longing for days gone by..
Very beautiful song
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:36:01am |
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Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:36:21am |
re: #390 HoosierHoops
If you read the words it is a very bittersweet song longing for days gone by..
Very beautiful song
Yep, maudlin as all get-out.
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:36:42am |
re: #382 Killgore Trout
If they decide it's best to get get the economy rolling again to increase tax revenues then I won't object. Maybe we could have a death panel tax. We'd be rich!
well some people have objections to the notion that you can spend your way out of recession....increase debt to raise more taxes?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:37:11am |
re: #389 exelwood
It's not like it was Glenn Beck or anything, you have to consider the source. Garrison is a stand up guy, I remember his first show after Bush was re-elected, the poor bastard was dragging his guts around the stage crying like a six year old girl.
I would give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe age or a couple of scotches while writing the column but I'm sure he isn't really pissed over a few C*** songs!
So, you are giving Garrison Keillor the benefit of the doubt? You just made my point... big time.
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vxbush Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:37:43am |
re: #386 LudwigVanQuixote
Mathematics is a very special case. Most mathematicians are pretty good at what they do, and there is no pesky mother nature to show up and put the kabash on your ideas.
I am not a biologist so I can not comment on that field. What I can say though is that the way science works - the way it really works and is supposed to work, is that you put out in good faith the best and strongest story you can. The rest of the community looks at it. Sometimes people are wrong. They are not obviously wrong at first glance. It is rare for a top tier paper to publish something completely flaky (but it does happen). Sometimes, people might not be wrong, but they don't have as much of a slam dunk as they thought, and sometimes, A null result is still a result.
Eventually enough data comes in to put the question to rest.
On the other hand, something with the chops will get recognized very quickly more often than not. In an age of rapid communications with tens of thousands of researchers, a really earth shaking bit of research has a very good chance of getting seen quickly. Relativity and QM did not languish in obscurity as a great example...neither did gauge theory or the transistor.
The flip side of this is that something that sounds earth shattering but does not have the chops will face a very quick cull. Cold Fusion is an example - though that is a special case, Fleischman and Pons never published.
Lud, what's your position about online journals? Are any of those starting to get enough prestige to be worth the time in the physics field?
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:38:00am |
re: #361 Walter L. Newton
I don't find any of the german trashing funny at all. Absolutely AMAZING how if I don't agree with the President, I'm a racist. AMAZING how Garrison Keillor can make anti-semitic remarks like he did and you get articles on Huffington telling us how "benign" his column was...
But, someone makes fun of Germans and the language, comparing someone to sounding like "spit" when they speak... then it's just funny.
I guess I need to check with the Politically Correct List of Races We Can And Can't Make Fun Of.
Thanks for your insight.
It's AMAZING how much of a crybaby you are and how you just invent issues to get in a twist about.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:38:09am |
re: #383 Blueheron
One of the most beloved Christmas songs written by a Jew is "White Christmas". Now how could anyone give that up. It is beautiful.
He says how would Jews feel about Christians writing songs for their holidays? I say if the song is good bring 'em on :))
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lawhawk Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:38:27am |
re: #383 Blueheron
A good song is a good song whoever writes it - regardless of their religious affiliation. Should it really matter that Irving Berlin was Jewish and yet wrote some of the most recognized Christmas songs? He was often commissioned to do 'em, as were many others who wrote those songs that ended up in Broadway shows and Hollywood movies.
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stevemcg Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:38:46am |
re: #374 Walter L. Newton
Perhaps I have thicker skin. That sentnce is a piece of cake. Verbs are right after the nouns, you don't have to conjugate the articles. Let's see, was the yak male (ein) or female (eine)? It's singular, but what case is it in this sentence? Good thing he didn't describe the yak with an adjective. You'd still have to put the infinitive "to clear" at the end of the sentence.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:38:55am |
re: #390 HoosierHoops
If you read the words it is a very bittersweet song longing for days gone by..
Very beautiful song
I consider it America's "Danny Boy" - a sad, sad song, known by all:
Here, listen to this classic Irish ballad, sung by Mario Lanza, as the Lord intended:
Not a dry eye in the house, anytime that one comes up.
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:39:15am |
re: #396 Locker
It's AMAZING how much of a crybaby you are and how you just invent issues to get in a twist about.
Oh, go piss up a rope.
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:39:43am |
re: #374 Walter L. Newton
So, what if someone said to you "Every sentence you utter sounds like a yak trying to clear phlegm from it's throat."
You'd have a ball with that statement, right?
No he's probably post on an internet blog about how offended his is and demand an apology. Oh wait that's you. BTW, it does sound like a yak trying to clear phlegm from it's throat. Get over it.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:39:52am |
re: #253 Alouette
I posted about this the other day ... nauseating
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Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:40:48am |
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MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:41:24am |
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Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:41:27am |
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Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:43:02am |
re: #400 Guanxi88
I consider it America's "Danny Boy" - a sad, sad song, known by all:
Here, listen to this classic Irish ballad, sung by Mario Lanza, as the Lord intended:
[Video]Not a dry eye in the house, anytime that one comes up.
I'll admit I had never heard Danny Boy before I saw the war movie Memphis Bell... Jeez it was moving...
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:43:20am |
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SixDegrees Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:43:41am |
re: #393 albusteve
well some people have objections to the notion that you can spend your way out of recession...increase debt to raise more taxes?
The idea is that stimulus will create jobs which will generate payroll which in turn can be taxed. And those with jobs will spend part of their paycheck, ultimately creating more jobs and more tax revenues.
And the funny thing is: this is EXACTLY Reaganomics, the most despised, derided and savaged economic theory ever to run afoul of liberal foul temper. Except, apparently, when they're doing it.
There's a big problem at this point, however, that's new: the astronomically enormous deficit and soaring national debt that's holding back lending. It's also holding down interest rates, out of fear of the inflation all that newly minted money is going to generate, and zero interest rates, in turn, also discourage lending. An argument can be made that a reduction in deficit spending - like not borrowing a huge additional lump of dough that doesn't exist - is a much better stimulus, and much more sustainable over the long run, than whatever short-term benefit the additional borrowing and spending may bring.
But, of course, it's an election year, which is really all you need to know about the quality and depth of thought that's gone into this idea.
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Gus Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:43:55am |
re: #394 Walter L. Newton
So, you are giving Garrison Keillor the benefit of the doubt? You just made my point... big time.
Not here. I used to listen to Prairie Home Companion several decades ago. I found it humorous yet "square" which was part of the appeal. Then he took off for Norway where he failed to learn Norwegian and when he returned he had already morphed into a jerk. These latest comments from Keillor are inexcusable.
| 412 |
Blueheron Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:44:16am |
re: #264 Walter L. Newton
I search and found the few posts, I just thought I had missed a thread. From what I heard in this column, his anti-semitic remarks were certainly as nasty as any right-wing racist I've heard lately.
I'm probably being too sensitive.
No you aren't. Some of the nastiest people are on the left. What makes them so nasty is you expect sweetness and calm from a liberal and when they are angry or nasty I don't know about you it always takes me aback. Al Franken or Phil Donahue are cases on point.
| 413 |
FrogMarch Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:45:47am |
re: #335 lawhawk
And Obama throws a great big monkey wrench into all this, despite the Senate move to vote tomorrow morning; he's not going to move ahead until after the State of the Union address. They're going to try with another porkfest stimulus package first, which also means that after the SotU, Congress will have to deal with - 1) a jobs/porkfest/stimulus package; 2) cap and trade/Copenhagen promises (but don't talk to Feinstein, who killed the alt-energy industry in CA by opposing siting 13 major projects in the Mojave Desert); and 3) the health care bills.
We pay for our own "stimulus". Our taxes go to stimulate what the government wants to stimulate. What? it's not working? Simple ... more tax payer funded stimulus to the rescue. It's so ridiculous - it hurts.
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McSpiff Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:46:47am |
re: #412 Blueheron
No you aren't. Some of the nastiest people are on the left. What makes them so nasty is you expect sweetness and calm from a liberal and when they are angry or nasty I don't know about you it always takes me aback. Al Franken or Phil Donahue are cases on point.
Expecting sweetness and calm from someone based on their political ideology? That's a textbook case of naiveté.
| 416 |
Locker Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:46:53am |
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albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:47:03am |
joke of the day...
President Obama outlined Tuesday a first-year legislative record that he said rescued the economy and placed it on a path of long-term growth, even as he acknowledged that some unfinished items would probably be more difficult to achieve heading into a midterm election year.
what kind of leadership is expressed by this sort of tripe....BO is a lunatic
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
at the same time he proposes more legislation to spend our way out of this frikkin mess?....I'd have to say he's off his rocker and I'll say it again...get ready to live with 7-8% unemployment, permanently
| 418 |
Blueheron Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:47:16am |
re: #274 Walter L. Newton
Our snow is a lazy snow right now... they keep predicting all sorts of totals by tomorrow evening, 3-6, 5-10 inches... the mountains are getting the very western edge of this, Denver is getting more, the plains will be getting a blizzard... this is more a north-eastern storm, not coming in from the north-west.
But we have had snow on the ground for a month and a half, so it would be white no matter what.
Denver Colorado is my country Walter and I miss it.
| 419 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:47:40am |
re: #395 vxbush
Lud, what's your position about online journals? Are any of those starting to get enough prestige to be worth the time in the physics field?
Actually Archivx is really good. The fact about reviews and getting published is that it takes time to get your paper reviewed. In general, the process takes months.
So, with the advent of the web, it has become pretty standard to post your paper out there as a place holder when you ship it off to review.
Now obviously that means that a given paper on archiv x has not been vetted before getting posted. On the other hand, the dozens of other researchers who read it become the vetters and then you go by citations. A paper from Archiv X with 50 citations is still a 50 citation paper.
| 420 |
Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:47:46am |
re: #412 Blueheron
No you aren't. Some of the nastiest people are on the left. What makes them so nasty is you expect sweetness and calm from a liberal and when they are angry or nasty I don't know about you it always takes me aback. Al Franken or Phil Donahue are cases on point.
I got called the Phil Donahue of the Internet over at the stalker blog..
So how do I take that? Am I too nice or too nasty? I'm confused..
LOL
| 421 |
Slap Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:47:59am |
re: #379 Walter L. Newton
Walter, I wasn't looking to give you grief by any means. Not up to me to judge what offends you or anyone else. Being bemused, on a purely aural level, by the "sound" of some other languages is OK, in my book; likewise, my point with the Twain was simply that English speakers have been rather vexed by German for a long time now -- some gracefully express their humor about it, others less so.
Using the sound of a language as a jumping-off point for value judgments about their source culture is another, more ugly matter altogether.
| 422 |
RogueOne Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:48:34am |
Wow. People are twisted.
Father 'forced son into sex with hooker'
A ROCKHAMPTON dad is accused of forcing his son to have sex with a prostitute because he feared the 14-year-old was gay.
During a family barbecue around Christmas time in 2007, the dad allegedly phoned a prostitute and arranged to meet her at a motel on Yaamba Road, North Rockhampton.
The father drove his son to the motel and paid the prostitute in $50 notes.
[Link: www.themorningbulletin.com.au...]
| 423 |
Semper Fi Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:49:15am |
Good morning, Lizards. No clouds today but it'll be cool 52 deg. Just think I'll sit-in and lurk awhile as I find LGF so enjoyable and Lizards so informative.
| 425 |
CommonCents Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:51:43am |
re: #385 _RememberTonyC
if you are doing any last minute Christmas shopping for a leftist lunatic in your life, here's a suggestion ...
[Link: www.nbcuniversalstore.com...]
or you can buy one for yourself and take a hammer to it :)
That's some expensive therapy because I know that just one wouldn't do.
| 426 |
Truth Stick Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:52:53am |
re: #422 RogueOne
Wow. People are twisted.
[Link: www.themorningbulletin.com.au...]
I wonder if dad put a big old bow on the Hooker, since it twas the season
| 427 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:52:54am |
re: #422 RogueOne
Wow. People are twisted.
[Link: www.themorningbulletin.com.au...]
I wish my dad were that cool!
///// sarcasm
| 428 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:54:11am |
My favorite cookies.
Pre-heat oven to 350 F.
1/2 C. butter
1 C. sugar
2 eggs
1/4 C. sour cream
1 1/4 C. all-purpose flour
1/2 tsp. baking soda
1/2 tsp. cinnamon
1/4 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. ground cloves
1 C. quick oats
1 C. chopped pecans
1 C. finely chopped dates (buy the whole dates)
1/2 C. raisins
1/2 C. chopped candied cherries
Candied cherries (halved) to put on top of each cookie
Cream butter, sugar and eggs. Stir in sour cream
Mix together the dry ingredients.
Slowly mix dry ingredients into butter mixture.
Stir in the rest.
Drop on greased cookie sheets and put a halved cherry on the top of each.
Bake until golden brown on top.
| 429 |
Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:56:16am |
re: #422 RogueOne
Wow. People are twisted.
[Link: www.themorningbulletin.com.au...]
re: #426 Truth Stick
I wonder if dad put a big old bow on the Hooker, since it twas the season
A Kennedy Christmas.
| 430 |
Digital Display Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:56:58am |
re: #427 LudwigVanQuixote
I wish my dad were that cool!
/// sarcasm
I have all kinds of funny things I could say..But the kid was 14yr.old. So it was child abuse...Sad really Ludwig....There are some people that shouldn't be parents....
/Hey lud..What do you think of newscientists.com? I love that site..
| 431 |
albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:57:47am |
more BO blabbage...
Meanwhile, President Obama is making the ultimate sacrifice: He says he's not going to begin his Christmas vacation in Hawaii until the Senate passes the overhaul of health care. Here's the president, earlier today:
My attitude is that if they're making these sacrifices to provide health care to all Americans then the least I can do is to be around and provide them any encouragement and last-minute help where necessary.
BO sacrificing right beside his sacrificing Senate....good lord what pathetic garbage he spews
| 432 |
Semper Fi Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:58:46am |
re: #428 MandyManners
My favorite cookies.
Pre-heat oven to 350 F.
1/2 C. butter
1 C. sugar
2 eggs
1/4 C. sour cream1 1/4 C. all-purpose flour
1/2 tsp. baking soda
1/2 tsp. cinnamon
1/4 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. ground cloves1 C. quick oats
1 C. chopped pecans
1 C. finely chopped dates (buy the whole dates)
1/2 C. raisins
1/2 C. chopped candied cherries
Candied cherries (halved) to put on top of each cookieCream butter, sugar and eggs. Stir in sour cream
Mix together the dry ingredients.
Slowly mix dry ingredients into butter mixture.
Stir in the rest.
Drop on greased cookie sheets and put a halved cherry on the top of each.Bake until golden brown on top.
Thanks, Mandy. Is the finished, cooled product considered 'crispy', 'soft' or 'in between'?
| 433 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 9:59:41am |
re: #432 Semper Fi
Thanks, Mandy. Is the finished, cooled product considered 'crispy', 'soft' or 'in between'?
in bed?
| 434 |
RogueOne Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:00:32am |
| 435 |
Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:02:33am |
re: #428 MandyManners
Traditional Guanxi88 Holiday beverage:
1 fifth Gin (brand is indifferent)
1 two liter bottle ginger ale (schweppes for preference) - better alternate - ginger beer
1 bottle angostura bitters.
In a highball glass filled with ice cubes, three dashes bitters, two fingers gin, top with ginger ale or ginger beer.
Drink.
Repeat until out of ginger ale or beer, then switch to ice, bitters, and gin. Repeat until out of ice.
| 436 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:04:18am |
re: #432 Semper Fi
Thanks, Mandy. Is the finished, cooled product considered 'crispy', 'soft' or 'in between'?
In between. The edges should be a bit crisp. With all the chopping involved, this is an all-day endeavor unless you get the prep-work done the day before. They're worth every second they take to make.
| 437 |
albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:04:38am |
more polls, more bad news for The Bill...
[Link: prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com...]
| 438 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:05:15am |
re: #435 Guanxi88
Traditional Guanxi88 Holiday beverage:
1 fifth Gin (brand is indifferent)
1 two liter bottle ginger ale (schweppes for preference) - better alternate - ginger beer
1 bottle angostura bitters.In a highball glass filled with ice cubes, three dashes bitters, two fingers gin, top with ginger ale or ginger beer.
Drink.
Repeat until out of ginger ale or beer, then switch to ice, bitters, and gin. Repeat until out of ice.
One bottle Basil Hayden's and a Waterford tumbler. Pour, sip slowly.
| 439 |
Blueheron Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:05:28am |
re: #374 Walter L. Newton
So, what if someone said to you "Every sentence you utter sounds like a yak trying to clear phlegm from it's throat."
You'd have a ball with that statement, right?
I don't know about German but you have to
i know how to make that throat clearing sound in order to speak Hebrew.
| 440 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:05:48am |
re: #435 Guanxi88
Traditional Guanxi88 Holiday beverage:
1 fifth Gin (brand is indifferent)
1 two liter bottle ginger ale (schweppes for preference) - better alternate - ginger beer
1 bottle angostura bitters.In a highball glass filled with ice cubes, three dashes bitters, two fingers gin, top with ginger ale or ginger beer.
Drink.
Repeat until out of ginger ale or beer, then switch to ice, bitters, and gin. Repeat until out of ice.
Traditional Mad Al-Jaffee holiday beverage:
1 bottle of Jameson. Drink as much as you want.
| 441 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:05:53am |
re: #431 albusteve
more BO blabbage...
Meanwhile, President Obama is making the ultimate sacrifice: He says he's not going to begin his Christmas vacation in Hawaii until the Senate passes the overhaul of health care. Here's the president, earlier today:
My attitude is that if they're making these sacrifices to provide health care to all Americans then the least I can do is to be around and provide them any encouragement and last-minute help where necessary.
BO sacrificing right beside his sacrificing Senate...good lord what pathetic garbage he spews
Oh, cry me a fucking river.
| 442 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:07:03am |
| 443 |
Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:07:36am |
re: #438 MandyManners
One bottle Basil Hayden's and a Waterford tumbler. Pour, sip slowly.
re: #440 Mad Al-Jaffee
Traditional Mad Al-Jaffee holiday beverage:
1 bottle of Jameson. Drink as much as you want.
See, I think the juniper scent and flavor of the gin, plus the spiciness from the bitters, plus the deep ginger notes from the ginger ale (although ginger beer is FAR superior as a mixer) make the whole beverage very Christmas-y. Smells like a christmas tree and cookies, and is strong enough to dull the melancholy of the season.
| 445 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:10:18am |
re: #439 Blueheron
I don't know about German but you have to
i know how to make that throat clearing sound in order to speak Hebrew.
And Yiddush, which is Hebrew combined with German.
I wonder if I should feel bad about the joke I made this summer. My half German nephew was talking about Star Wars and pronounced Darth Vader "Darth Wader." I started doing an impersonation of Darth Vader as a waiter. The kid was laughing so hared he literally had to lie down.
| 446 |
albusteve Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:10:53am |
good summary from the BBC on the Copenhagen failure...
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
| 447 |
Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:11:10am |
re: #445 Mad Al-Jaffee
And Yiddush, which is Hebrew combined with German.
I wonder if I should feel bad about the joke I made this summer. My half German nephew was talking about Star Wars and pronounced Darth Vader "Darth Wader." I started doing an impersonation of Darth Vader as a waiter. The kid was laughing so hared he literally had to lie down.
"What is thy drink order, My Master?"
| 448 |
Semper Fi Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:12:14am |
re: #436 MandyManners
In between. The edges should be a bit crisp. With all the chopping involved, this is an all-day endeavor unless you get the prep-work done the day before. They're worth every second they take to make.
Thanks. The oatmeal, pecans and dates really grabbed my attention.
| 450 |
Ericus58 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:13:41am |
Seasons Greetings from the IDF
| 451 |
MandyManners Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:15:54am |
re: #448 Semper Fi
Thanks. The oatmeal, pecans and dates really grabbed my attention.
Perfect crunchy goodness.
| 452 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:16:32am |
re: #447 Guanxi88
"What is thy drink order, My Master?"
It was more like (Darth Vader voice) "Would you like to order dessert [pause, mechanical breathing sounds] or some coffee?"
| 453 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:18:10am |
| 454 |
Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:19:01am |
re: #452 Mad Al-Jaffee
It was more like (Darth Vader voice) "Would you like to order dessert [pause, mechanical breathing sounds] or some coffee?"
There's a great spoof concept right there - the bar at Mos Eisly - Emperor Palpatine as the manager, Lord Vader as the bar tender.
| 455 |
Guanxi88 Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:19:28am |
| 456 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:20:54am |
re: #454 Guanxi88
There's a great spoof concept right there - the bar at Mos Eisly - Emperor Palpatine as the manager, Lord Vader as the bar tender.
Have you seen the Eddie Izard Death Star Canteen bit? I don't have YouTube access here, but you should be able to find it.
| 457 |
Slap Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:24:08am |
| 458 |
Stuart Leviton Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:24:24am |
re: #396 Locker
It's AMAZING how much of a crybaby you are and how you just invent issues to get in a twist about.
Locker, take it easy. I am sorry about whatever is bothering you but it is not Walter. I would not be surprised if your "crybaby" statement applies to you, especially
...you just invent issues to get in a twist about.
That statement might be a clue about your need to bully someone.
I hope you someday expand your education by coming to appreciate the German language and culture and yaks as well. Good luck finding your inner peace and ability to be kind.
| 459 |
Slap Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:28:25am |
| 460 |
Semper Fi Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:30:07am |
| 461 |
Blueheron Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:39:33am |
re: #415 McSpiff
Expecting sweetness and calm from someone based on their political ideology? That's a textbook case of naiveté.
I believe people and their motives until I see differently. And we all know liberals just want to take care of the downtrodden, homeless infants on and on and on.////
| 462 |
Blueheron Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:41:14am |
re: #420 HoosierHoops
I got called the Phil Donahue of the Internet over at the stalker blog..
So how do I take that? Am I too nice or too nasty? I'm confused..
LOL
Phil Donahue can be cuttingly nasty.
| 463 |
Blueheron Wed, Dec 23, 2009 10:42:48am |
re: #423 Semper Fi
Good morning, Lizards. No clouds today but it'll be cool 52 deg. Just think I'll sit-in and lurk awhile as I find LGF so enjoyable and Lizards so informative.
Obviously you haven't read very far on this thread or you wouldn't be so cheerful :)
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