Sunday Afternoon Music: Tom Waits, ‘Poor Edward’

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From the exceptional album Alice, Tom Waits tells the troubling tale of “Poor Edward.”

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Did you hear the news about Edward?
On the back of his head
He had another face
Was it a woman’s face
Or a young girl
They said to remove it would kill him
So poor Edward was doomed

The face could laugh and cry
It was his Devil twin
And at night she spoke to him
Of things heard only in hell
They were impossible to separate
Chained together for life

Finally the bell tolled his doom
He took a suite of rooms
And hung himself and her
From the balcony irons
Some still believe he was freed from her
But I knew her too well
I say she drove him to suicide
And took poor Edward to hell

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417 comments
1 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:21:32pm

The piano has been drinking,

with me :)

2 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:25:58pm

I love Tom’s voice, but his songs are so sad!
It’s too nice of an afternoon for that!

3 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:27:54pm

what ever happened to Ricky Lee…

4 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:28:55pm

I life is a bowl of cherries, what’s a bag of prunes?

5 swamprat  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:29:03pm

h/t lawhawk;

[Link: www.nypost.com…]

Obama in Afghanistan.

6 swamprat  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:29:54pm

re: #4 Walter L. Newton

I life is a bowl of cherries, what’s a bag of prunes?


All of code pink in one bhurka.

7 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:30:27pm

re: #4 Walter L. Newton

I life is a bowl of cherries, what’s a bag of prunes?

hope & change

8 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:30:47pm

re: #6 swamprat

All of code pink in one bhurka.

LMAO!

9 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:30:55pm

Video of Rep. Cleaver being spit on.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

10 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:32:17pm

My favorite living songwriter is Mr. Waits.

I highly recommend, for anyone who likes him, this collection of interviews with him:

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

11 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:33:09pm

Quite fitting, as I’m about to go char some hamburgers on my $15 grill I just bought. I didn’t realize “bbq’ing alone” was gonna be this depressing until I started in on it. Gah!

12 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:34:29pm

re: #9 Jeff In Ohio

Video of Rep. Cleaver being spit on.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

well let’s assume that was true (and not agent provocateur) I am sure glad I live in country where people spit & don’t strap on bombs. :)

13 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:34:51pm

re: #11 negativ

One of the saddest men I know has no stove, and only barbecues. The meat he produces always tastes extra salty, as though he’s basting it with tears.

14 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:34:56pm

Looks like Yoops over at the Defenseman blog has had enough of Catonian ridicule. Also, he says he won’t be coming back to play here anytime soon. Such a loss.

Final exchange, as far as I’m concerned:

Cato the Elder Says:

Yoops, I’ve created a cocktail in your honor over at LGF.

The Defenseman

Two measures of milksop juice.
Three measures of hundred-proof, distilled cowardice.
Shaking and quaking, no stirring, please.
Top with a dash of of Amaretto, for that hint of cyanide, and garnish with a small, wrinkled cocktail pickle.

Note: Best served with flaccid little wieners and French mustard on milquetoast.

If you don’t have any French mustard, Grey Poop will do.

This drink is often served at Hoops games.

You’re not banned at LGF, you know, Yoops. C’mon over and create a cocktail for me!

BG Says:

Cato, you’ve become Iceweasel’s voice here as far as I can see. All you’ve done is to be an apologist for her crap.

No, I’m not banned, and my beef is not with Charles. It is with Iceweasel and Jimmah. I, however, have little interest in posting at LGF right now. My interests have changed, and I have very little time for the vast number of comments I used to make. And before you think because it is I that I am posting on other political sites, think again. I post on sites about my hobbies. In fact, this is the last thing (this post) I’ll have to say about the situation for the moment.

If you persist, we have evidence that Iceweasel was very much involved, written logs from email and parachat, and evidence that she did as much to stand up for Hoops as Jimmah or me.

Cato the Elder Says [Your comment is awaiting moderation]:

Yoops, I am no one’s voice here but my own. You called me out by name, and I replied. End of story.

Enjoy your hobbies. One of mine happens to be mocking teh stoopid, wherever it shows itself. I’m sorry you don’t want to play – it might have been fun. I promise I’d be very gentlemanly if you came over to LGF.

Hoops, now, that’s another matter. But I neither speak for nor answer to him.

Good day, sir!

15 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:35:34pm

re: #11 negativ

Quite fitting, as I’m about to go char some hamburgers on my $15 grill I just bought. I didn’t realize “bbq’ing alone” was gonna be this depressing until I started in on it. Gah!

dude grill some onions you won’t be alone for long.

16 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:36:54pm

re: #12 brookly red

Except for the times that people do explode bombs, of course, or fly planes into houses.

Your response is kind of odd. First you raise the possibility that it’s an agent provocateur, which is rather complicating things beyond necessity, and then you feel the need to indulge in some moral relativism.

Are you glad you live in a country where people who fought in the civil rights movement are still being spat on for their political views?

17 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:37:18pm

re: #15 brookly red

dude grill some onions you won’t be alone for long.

Do onions attract Vespers?

18 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:38:43pm

re: #12 brookly red

well let’s assume that was true (and not agent provocateur) I am sure glad I live in country where people spit & don’t strap on bombs. :)

Right. Assault is ok as long as we’re not strapping on bombs. Got it. Is that the Democratic thinking ca. 1964?

19 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:39:33pm

re: #18 Jeff In Ohio

Right. Assault is ok as long as we’re not strapping on bombs. Got it. Is that the Democratic thinking ca. 1964?

really? he said it was ok?

come on. lighten up.

20 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:39:34pm

re: #15 brookly red

dude grill some onions you won’t be alone for long.

Nope, it’s just gonna be me and my silent reverie. After I’m done cooking, a bird will say, “poo too weet?”

21 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:40:27pm

re: #16 Obdicut

Except for the times that people do explode bombs, of course, or fly planes into houses.

Your response is kind of odd. First you raise the possibility that it’s an agent provocateur, which is rather complicating things beyond necessity, and then you feel the need to indulge in some moral relativism.

Are you glad you live in a country where people who fought in the civil rights movement are still being spat on for their political views?

allegedly spit on, nothing has been proven sorry to disappoint you. keep on spreading the hate.

22 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:41:09pm

re: #19 Aceofwhat?

really? he said it was ok?

come on. lighten up.

” I am sure glad I live in country where people spit & don’t strap on bombs”. Did I miss something?

23 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:42:30pm

re: #20 negativ

Nope, it’s just gonna be me and my silent reverie. After I’m done cooking, a bird will say, “poo too weet?”

Very nice Kurt Vonnegut reference.

24 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:42:33pm

re: #22 Jeff In Ohio

” I am sure glad I live in country where people spit & don’t strap on bombs”. Did I miss something?

yes. i look around the world and i’d rather deal with our problems than others’. i’m pretty sure that’s what he meant.

in no way is that equivalent to saying that we don’t have problems.

those are two entirely different statements.

25 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:42:38pm

re: #18 Jeff In Ohio

Right. Assault is ok as long as we’re not strapping on bombs. Got it. Is that the Democratic thinking ca. 1964?

excuse me but no arrests, no indictment, no proof at all… sorry when you got some call me back.

26 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:45:17pm

re: #25 brookly red

excuse me but no arrests, no indictment, no proof at all… sorry when you got some call me back.

$10 says it was spittle, not spit.

not that we’re likely to ever find out for sure.

27 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:46:30pm

re: #24 Aceofwhat?

yes. i look around the world and i’d rather deal with our problems than others’. i’m pretty sure that’s what he meant.

in no way is that equivalent to saying that we don’t have problems.

those are two entirely different statements.

no I said what I said… the charges have be made but no proof has been presented. I am really tired of the BS. Guilt by accusation is not the American way.

28 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:48:22pm

re: #24 Aceofwhat?

yes. i look around the world and i’d rather deal with our problems than others’. i’m pretty sure that’s what he meant.

in no way is that equivalent to saying that we don’t have problems.

those are two entirely different statements.

Quite Concur.

29 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:48:34pm

re: #27 brookly red

no I said what I said… the charges have be made but no proof has been presented. I am really tired of the BS. Guilt by accusation is not the American way.

yeah like that.

30 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:48:38pm

re: #27 brookly red

no I said what I said… the charges have be made but no proof has been presented. I am really tired of the BS. Guilt by accusation is not the American way.

then i read it wrong too. no sweat. but i do look around and i am in no hurry to trade our ‘problems’ for someone else’s.

31 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:49:49pm

re: #12 brookly red

well let’s assume that was true (and not agent provocateur) I am sure glad I live in country where people spit & don’t strap on bombs. :)

Assuming it’s true?

Dude, you can see the Congressman wiping the spittle off his jacket after he confronts the spitter.

And of course you have to bring up the “agent provocateur” canard. And then, just in case you’re wrong, you cover your ass with a non-sequitur about bombs.

Your comments about this incident are starting to reek of troll.

32 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:50:12pm

re: #13 Obdicut

One of the saddest men I know has no stove, and only barbecues. The meat he produces always tastes extra salty, as though he’s basting it with tears.

Is that a quote or are you on something tonight?

33 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:52:56pm

re: #31 Cato the Elder

Assuming it’s true?

Dude, you can see the Congressman wiping the spittle off his jacket after he confronts the spitter.

And of course you have to bring up the “agent provocateur” canard. And then, just in case you’re wrong, you cover your ass with a non-sequitur about bombs.

Your comments about this incident are starting to reek of troll.


so prove it was not an agent provocateur… the alleged victim decline to identify his attacker. Whine all you want we are still a nation of laws.

34 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:54:39pm

re: #21 brookly red

allegedly spit on, nothing has been proven sorry to disappoint you. keep on spreading the hate.

re: #25 brookly red

excuse me but no arrests, no indictment, no proof at all… sorry when you got some call me back.

re: #27 brookly red

no I said what I said… the charges have be made but no proof has been presented. I am really tired of the BS. Guilt by accusation is not the American way.

The thought that the Congressman was too magnanimous to have this cretin arrested never occurs to you, I suppose?

I suppose so. Magnanimity is not a trait I’ve noticed in you.

Troll.

35 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:54:58pm

re: #33 brookly red

so prove it was not an agent provocateur… the alleged victim decline to identify his attacker. Whine all you want we are still a nation of laws.

There’s no way to prove it one way or the other, but I must say that agent provocateurs are rather rare. Usually, the asshole action was taken with its declared intent.

36 The Shadow Do  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:55:03pm

Terrific basketball game. Waco theocrats haning tough against the blue ‘devils’. Make of that what you will.

37 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:55:11pm

re: #12 brookly red

well let’s assume that was true (and not agent provocateur) I am sure glad I live in country where people spit & don’t strap on bombs. :)

Sorry, but that is a poor excuse for that crowd, given that they all sound like they are spitting on our system to begin with.

38 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:56:27pm

re: #33 brookly red

so prove it was not an agent provocateur… the alleged victim decline to identify his attacker. Whine all you want we are still a nation of laws.

You can’t prove a negative, genius.

Viz. “Brookly Red is not a troll.”

Not a statement that is capable of proof.

39 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:56:50pm

re: #34 Cato the Elder

The thought that the Congressman was too magnanimous to have this cretin arrested never occurs to you, I suppose?

I suppose so. Magnanimity is not a trait I’ve noticed in you.

Troll.

Troll is that the best you can do, I ask for proof & you call names… that may work in blog land but in court you are shit outta luck. :)

40 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:57:52pm

re: #37 Naso Tang

Sorry, but that is a poor excuse for that crowd, given that they all sound like they are spitting on our system to begin with.

your opinion yes admissible evidence no. next.

41 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:58:23pm

re: #38 Cato the Elder

You can’t prove a negative, genius.

Viz. “Brookly Red is not a troll.”

Not a statement that is capable of proof.

you are desperate in your hate.

42 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:58:25pm

re: #26 Aceofwhat?

$10 says it was spittle, not spit.

not that we’re likely to ever find out for sure.

I’m not really following Spittlegate, as I think there are other, more hilarious disturbing things to focus on, but from this:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Cleaver told me: “I said to this one person, ‘You spat on me.’ I thought he was going to say, ‘Hey, I was yelling. Sorry.’ But he continuing yelling and, for a few seconds, I pointed at him and said, ‘You spat on me.’ ”
[…]
“I would prefer to believe that the man who allowed his saliva to hit my face was irrational for a moment,” Cleaver said.

I get the impression that Cleaver also thinks it was spittle rather than spit. But that writer could be full of shit, I dunno.

Note: if it’s me, and we’re either not dating or I’m not paying you specifically for the purpose, I’d generally prefer to avoid any of your bodily fluids.

43 sandbox  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:58:35pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

I’m thinking is probably happened and not by an agent provocateur. Perhaps we can again discuss the trajectory of the bullet fired into the window of Eric Cantor’s Richmond office.

44 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 3:59:45pm

re: #43 sandbox

I’m thinking is probably happened and not by an agent provocateur. Perhaps we can again discuss the trajectory of the bullet fired into the window of Eric Cantor’s Richmond office.

oh yes lets change the subject… good move.

45 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:00:04pm

re: #41 brookly red

you are desperate in your hate.

I don’t hate you, BR. I upding your humor all the time.

Tonight I think you’re acting trollish.

46 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:00:38pm

re: #43 sandbox

I’m thinking is probably happened and not by an agent provocateur. Perhaps we can again discuss the trajectory of the bullet fired into the window of Eric Cantor’s Richmond office.

Well, I think the Cantor story would make decent part of a plotline on one of the CSI shows, but that’s about all i can say that hasn’t been said already.

47 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:00:55pm

re: #42 negativ

I get the impression that Cleaver also thinks it was spittle rather than spit. But that writer could be full of shit, I dunno.

Note: if it’s me, and we’re either not dating or I’m not paying you specifically for the purpose, I’d generally prefer to avoid any of your bodily fluids.

likewise. but the loony guy who can’t stop spitting when he yells and the psycho who intentionally spits are two different beasts, IMHO.

given that this seems like the former, the outrage is boooring…

48 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:01:46pm

re: #45 Cato the Elder

I don’t hate you, BR. I upding your humor all the time.

Tonight I think you’re acting trollish.

cause you didn’t get your way? just gimmie some proof.

49 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:01:53pm

re: #39 brookly red

Troll is that the best you can do, I ask for proof & you call names… that may work in blog land but in court you are shit outta luck. :)

The video clearly shows a reaction that could have been due to spitting. If you want to be magnanimous you could say it was accidental, since serial yellers do develop a lot of spittle in their mouths; I’m told.

That this incident overrides the obvious fact that many people in the US cannot accept the fact that the voting system sometimes means that opponents lose, is sad.

50 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:02:37pm

re: #40 brookly red

your opinion yes admissible evidence no. next.

I answered that.

51 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:02:48pm

re: #33 brookly red

so prove it was not an agent provocateur… the alleged victim decline to identify his attacker. Whine all you want we are still a nation of laws.

Conspiracy theories are unbecoming. Remember, entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

(I don’t actually know Latin, but I can copy/paste with the best of ‘em, and it sure looks authoritative.)

52 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:03:08pm

re: #43 sandbox

I’m thinking is probably happened and not by an agent provocateur. Perhaps we can again discuss the trajectory of the bullet fired into the window of Eric Cantor’s Richmond office.

yeah, i’m missing something there too. if my window broke and i found a bullet, i’d think somebody shot through my window. why was it unreasonable to believe the same? i could be missing an important part of the story…

53 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:03:22pm

re: #49 Naso Tang

The video clearly shows a reaction that could have been due to spitting. If you want to be magnanimous you could say it was accidental, since serial yellers do develop a lot of spittle in their mouths; I’m told.

That this incident overrides the obvious fact that many people in the US cannot accept the fact that the voting system sometimes means that opponents lose, is sad.

could have? of fuckin great, you could be a witch.

54 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:04:43pm

re: #51 negativ

Conspiracy theories are unbecoming. Remember, entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

(I don’t actually know Latin, but I can copy/paste with the best of ‘em, and it sure looks authoritative.)

what theory, I don’t care where is the proof?

55 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:04:54pm

re: #21 brookly red

Can you explain why you’re accusing me of spreading hate, Brookly?

That’s a kind of wild accusation to just hand out idly.

56 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:05:21pm

re: #53 brookly red

Brookly, settle down. You’re being hostile when you don’t need to be. There’s no reason to be nasty.

57 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:05:43pm

re: #53 brookly red

could have? of fuckin great, you could be a witch.

You miss the main point. That crowd was composed of spittle filled mouths, regardless of whether they were swallowing like mad or not.

58 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:06:46pm

re: #52 Aceofwhat?

It depends how quickly the police told Cantor that the bullet was a spent bullet fired randomly from a long way away.

My assumption is that they were able to tell him this quickly, since they saw that the bullet only broke the window and didn’t penetrate the blinds.

There’s also the possibility that he wasn’t so informed because it wasn’t actually his office window, and so the cops didn’t feel the need to inform him. But in that case, he was speaking from a position of ignorance.

59 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:06:52pm

re: #48 brookly red

cause you didn’t get your way? just gimmie some proof.

GAZE

60 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:07:37pm

re: #55 Obdicut

Can you explain why you’re accusing me of spreading hate, Brookly?

That’s a kind of wild accusation to just hand out idly.

easy, you draw conclusions and present them as fact with out offering any proof. Proof is a real easy concept to understand.

61 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:07:52pm

re: #55 Obdicut

Can you explain why you’re accusing me of spreading hate, Brookly?

That’s a kind of wild accusation to just hand out idly.

FWIW, hate is far too strong a term. that having been said, your reply did come off much sharper than the original post; i don’t know if that was your intent or not.

the whole ‘civil rights leader’ thing…bleh…guy yells and spittle comes out because he’s yelling. end of story. concern troll is bored.

62 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:08:16pm

re: #59 Cato the Elder

GAZE

Gaze is not proof… sorry.

63 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:09:14pm

re: #58 Obdicut

It depends how quickly the police told Cantor that the bullet was a spent bullet fired randomly from a long way away.

My assumption is that they were able to tell him this quickly, since they saw that the bullet only broke the window and didn’t penetrate the blinds.

There’s also the possibility that he wasn’t so informed because it wasn’t actually his office window, and so the cops didn’t feel the need to inform him. But in that case, he was speaking from a position of ignorance.

if the former, then i join the condemnation wholeheartedly. if the latter, i’d say that ‘ignorance’ is too strong a term. bullet comes through window = somebody shot at your window. that’s by far the most reasonable assumption until evidence proves otherwise.

64 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:10:31pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

Brookly, settle down. You’re being hostile when you don’t need to be. There’s no reason to be nasty.

I am not being nasty, I have called no names, I have made no accusations, I simply have asked others to prove their accusations an the result is out there for all to see.

65 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:10:34pm

re: #21 brookly red

allegedly spit on, nothing has been proven sorry to disappoint you. keep on spreading the hate.

I agree with you. Really… anything is possible, and without absolute proof of what happened by who’s hand, any opinion, including agent provocateur, is open for discussion. To claim it’s not possible is partisan thinking in the least.

66 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:10:54pm

re: #60 brookly red

So you really don’t feel that accusing me of ‘spreading hate’ is going too far?

Because I am willing to take the word of a man who’s been beaten bloody for standing up for what he believes, that he was spat on, during a confrontation where I can clearly see people out of control of their rage— that means that I’m spreading hate?

Who am I spreading hate against, Brookly?

67 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:11:06pm

re: #63 Aceofwhat?

Ok. Now, after the fact (that the police have given their results), has Cantor bothered to come out and clarify that somebody was not shooting at his office?

68 keloyd  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:11:46pm

1. I am certain that if Emmanuel Cleaver said ‘spittle’, that Keith Olbermann would still shout ‘spit’ every day for a week.

2. Cleaver has no record of crying wolf, if he ultimately clarifies “spit” and not “spittle”. He is not a race hustler. He took a lot of flack for supporting Mizz Rotham-hyphen-Clinton for president (pausing to cross myself against the devil and all her works) . In civil court, where one only needs a preponderance of evidence, one believable witness is good enough for me.

3. Texas has some really cartoonish race hustling pols. One local here in Dallas made news when he threw a tantrum over the racism inherent in some paperwork disappearing “into a black hole”. Black holes are racist.

Compared to left wing nut demonstrations, how many police cars have been overturned? How many riot police have had to use tear gas? How many businesses vandalized? How many fires set in dumpsters? none? just one guy spitting and a Kentucky flag? and some corny hitler-bama signs? This is the biggest meh of all the meh’s that have ever meh’ed.

69 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:11:50pm

re: #57 Naso Tang

You miss the main point. That crowd was composed of spittle filled mouths, regardless of whether they were swallowing like mad or not.

i disagree. spitting on a person and yelling because you’re a bit of a loony protester are two wholly different behaviors.

peaceful, albeit mottled protesting is a lawful activity. CodePink is allowed to do it and so are these maroons.

70 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:12:30pm

Crazy Pam: Despite Record Levels of Islamic Terror in U.S., FBI raids Christian Groups

In a word, nuts. Seven people have been arrested for allegedly selling pipe bombs in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana, Fox News has learned.

How about raiding Homegrown Jihad: The Terrorist Camps Around the U.S.?

Was the armed camp in New York, Islamberg, raided?

Amidst record levels of Islamic terrorism in U.S., FBI raids Christian militia groups


The group that she’s defending hosts The Evil Jew forum

Talk about being an evil Jew and how we are taking over the world in our own private forum where no one else can see. Shalomi or something


She could not be dumber if she tried.

71 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:12:42pm

re: #63 Aceofwhat?

A) It wasn’t his window. It was a window in a building where he has staff offices.

B) The point was that if he didn’t even bother to contact the police about it before the police report, the concern level obviously wasn’t high.

re: #61 Aceofwhat?

I can’t stand moral relativism. I mean to be sharp. “Well, at least we don’t do X” is a stupid argument.

72 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:12:52pm

A bunch of Darfur war orphans just came to my door and said they can’t decide whether to laugh or cry over the fact that we’re all worked up over whether someone got intentionally spit on or not.

73 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:12:52pm

re: #66 Obdicut

So you really don’t feel that accusing me of ‘spreading hate’ is going too far?

Because I am willing to take the word of a man who’s been beaten bloody for standing up for what he believes, that he was spat on, during a confrontation where I can clearly see people out of control of their rage— that means that I’m spreading hate?

Who am I spreading hate against, Brookly?

just offer some proof for you accusations & all is good. you can of course do that?

74 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:13:45pm

re: #67 freetoken

Ok. Now, after the fact (that the police have given their results), has Cantor bothered to come out and clarify that somebody was not shooting at his office?

Is it necessary? Now that the results are out, isn’t it only noteworthy if he comes out and continues to assert that somebody was shooting at his office?

75 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:14:28pm

re: #71 Obdicut

A) It wasn’t his window. It was a window in a building where he has staff offices.

B) The point was that if he didn’t even bother to contact the police about it before the police report, the concern level obviously wasn’t high.

fair point

76 The Shadow Do  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:14:43pm

Blue Devils are kicking some Baptist school ass.

77 sandbox  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:15:04pm

re: #63 Aceofwhat?

I’m having trouble with the idea of a bullet fired randomly thru Cantor’s office window. I may be lacking in imagination.

78 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:15:11pm

re: #73 brookly red

just offer some proof for you accusations & all is good. you can of course do that?

My proof is that the gentlemen involved said that it happened, and since he has a record of putting his body on the line for his beliefs, I believe him. I don’t consider it ‘proved’. I consider it very likely— I also consider it very likely that it was accidental, frothing-mad-in-the-mouth + shouting spittle.

Do you have any proof whatsoever for your ‘agent provocateur’ theory?

And can you please make clear your accusation about me. I’m spreading hate— who am I spreading hate against?

79 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:15:50pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Heh… she’s falling behind in the hate-contest, she has to up her game.

For example, the freepers just posted an article on the “meritorious” homicide of congressmen (yes, really.)

80 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:17:20pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam: Despite Record Levels of Islamic Terror in U.S., FBI raids Christian Groups


She could not be dumber if she tried.

The Shrieking Harpy does not understand that unlike her, the FBI can focus on more than one variety of terrorist hater at one time.

Not fixating is liberating, Pam. You should try it.

81 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:17:38pm

re: #78 Obdicut

My proof is that the gentlemen involved said that it happened, and since he has a record of putting his body on the line for his beliefs, I believe him. I don’t consider it ‘proved’. I consider it very likely— I also consider it very likely that it was accidental, frothing-mad-in-the-mouth + shouting spittle.

Do you have any proof whatsoever for your ‘agent provocateur’ theory?

And can you please make clear your accusation about me. I’m spreading hate— who am I spreading hate against?

no but this ain’t France, very likely don’t get it… beyond a reasonable doubt is our standard. Sorry but that is the way it is.

82 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:18:10pm

re: #71 Obdicut

I can’t stand moral relativism. I mean to be sharp. “Well, at least we don’t do X” is a stupid argument.

i read it incorrectly. apparently he wasn’t being relativistic. he was saying we don’t know that it was intentional spit, but appear to have prejudged it so.

a fair point, i believe.

83 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:18:51pm

re: #79 freetoken

Heh… she’s falling behind in the hate-contest, she has to up her game.

For example, the freepers just posted an article on the “meritorious” homicide of congressmen (yes, really.)

Google link?

84 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:19:43pm

re: #64 brookly red

I am not being nasty, I have called no names, I have made no accusations, I simply have asked others to prove their accusations an the result is out there for all to see.

The only conclusion anyone can draw from the video alone is that a black man reacted strongly against a white man yelling at him from less than two feet away, and that the white man was the only one in sight covering the sides of his mouth with his hands, which I think most people would not do if yelling at someone within arms reach.

Reasonable conclusion are that

a) the yeller is an asshole.
b) that something likely hit the black mans face.
c) that if something was launched it may have been unintentional, but since I’m a witch I doubt it.

85 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:20:13pm

re: #77 sandbox

I’m having trouble with the idea of a bullet fired randomly thru Cantor’s office window. I may be lacking in imagination.

take two science fiction novels and call me in the morning;)

86 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:20:58pm

re: #69 Aceofwhat?

i disagree. spitting on a person and yelling because you’re a bit of a loony protester are two wholly different behaviors.

peaceful, albeit mottled protesting is a lawful activity. CodePink is allowed to do it and so are these maroons.

So we agree; code pink are maroons in the same genetic category as these?

87 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:21:00pm

re: #84 Naso Tang

if you turn me into a newt…

88 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:21:15pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

Not cached yet, I think, as it was only posted minutes ago.

They’re linking to an essay put up on the “cowboy confessional” website, and that essay doesn’t have a google cache yet, either, that I can find.

89 keloyd  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:21:32pm

re: #84 Naso Tang

Do you weigh more than a duck? Are you a girl who can do math?

90 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:21:57pm

re: #77 sandbox

I’m having trouble with the idea of a bullet fired randomly thru Cantor’s office window. I may be lacking in imagination.

It was a spent bullet, fired into the air from a good distance away. The angle of impact was from above, which is consistent with a Baghdad-style air-shot. The kinetic energy of the bullet was so far spent that it only penetrated a windowpane, then bounced off the blinds and landed about a foot from the wall. This according to the police report.

“I shot a bullet in the air.
It came to earth I know not where.”

If you can ‘splain to me how a person actually targeting that office could mimic the physics of a spent bullet dropping from the sky so convincingly, I’m all ears.

91 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:21:59pm

re: #87 Aceofwhat?

if you turn me into a newt…

careful what you wish for; they say..

92 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:22:21pm

re: #68 keloyd

3. Texas has some really cartoonish race hustling pols. One local here in Dallas made news when he threw a tantrum over the racism inherent in some paperwork disappearing “into a black hole”. Black holes are racist.

YES! John Wiley Price!

Youtube Video

JWP is legendary for his magic deck containing an infinite number of race cards. It must be very tiring to be actively seeking out offense at all times.

City council meetings on public access TV are some of the best cheap entertainment a person could ever hope for. Just do a Youtube search for “city council” and watch the hilarity roll in. Something about local government draws kooks like a magnet. Both the pols and the constituents. These same lunatics often progress up the ladder and end up in the House of Representatives…

Compared to left wing nut demonstrations, how many police cars have been overturned? How many riot police have had to use tear gas? How many businesses vandalized? How many fires set in dumpsters? none? just one guy spitting and a Kentucky flag? and some corny hitler-bama signs? This is the biggest meh of all the meh’s that have ever meh’ed.

I see your point, but consider the demographics involved. If we get to the point where the 49-65 age group starts torching police cars and breaking storefront windows, we are right and truly fucked beyond all measure.

93 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:23:01pm

re: #88 freetoken

Not cached yet, I think, as it was only posted minutes ago.

They’re linking to an essay put up on the “cowboy confessional” website, and that essay doesn’t have a google cache yet, either, that I can find.

Well, just had a link but it looks like they just pulled the thread.

94 swamprat  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:23:06pm

re: #73 brookly red

just offer some proof for you accusations & all is good. you can of course do that?

I saw the tape. The good congress-critter definitely wiped something from his face. The epithet was questioned because nothing could be heard above the insanely loud chanting, but I saw the confrontation with one of the protesters who was yelling as loud as he could and cupping his hands to make himself heard.
I think it was true.

False flagging is possible, but the black congressman wiping something off his face is clearly seen.

95 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:23:07pm

re: #77 sandbox

I’m having trouble with the idea of a bullet fired randomly thru Cantor’s office window. I may be lacking in imagination.

You either don’t watch enough TV, or live a sheltered life.

96 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:23:21pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam: Despite Record Levels of Islamic Terror in U.S., FBI raids Christian Groups

She could not be dumber if she tried.

But she keeps on trying, you have to give her that.

97 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:23:43pm

re: #84 Naso Tang

The only conclusion anyone can draw from the video alone is that a black man reacted strongly against a white man yelling at him from less than two feet away, and that the white man was the only one in sight covering the sides of his mouth with his hands, which I think most people would not do if yelling at someone within arms reach.

Reasonable conclusion are that

a) the yeller is an asshole.
b) that something likely hit the black mans face.
c) that if something was launched it may have been unintentional, but since I’m a witch I doubt it.

well you do present some interesting circumstantial observations, now can you identify the alleged white man, and prove his intent ?

98 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:23:48pm

re: #86 Naso Tang

So we agree; code pink are maroons in the same genetic category as these?

my wholly unscientific, analytically unsound take is that protesting peacefully is fine and dandy while protesting angrily is also lawful (assuming the anger doesn’t lead to more than yelling) but demonstrates immaturity.

99 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:23:56pm

re: #88 freetoken

Not cached yet, I think, as it was only posted minutes ago.

They’re linking to an essay put up on the “cowboy confessional” website, and that essay doesn’t have a google cache yet, either, that I can find.

This thread has been pulled.
Pulled on 03/28/2010 4:21:59 PM PDT by Admin Moderator, reason:

No thanks. SS bait.

100 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:24:17pm

Tom waits for no one

101 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:24:27pm

re: #89 keloyd

Do you weigh more than a duck? Are you a girl who can do math?

Is that sarcasm or ignorance?

102 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:24:45pm

re: #82 Aceofwhat?

i read it incorrectly. apparently he wasn’t being relativistic. he was saying we don’t know that it was intentional spit, but appear to have prejudged it so.

a fair point, i believe.

Right. I spit on people unintentionally all the time.

103 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:24:47pm

re: #93 Gus 802

Well, just had a link but it looks like they just pulled the thread.

Maybe they figured out how bad it looks.

104 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:24:49pm

re: #94 swamprat

I saw the tape. The good congress-critter definitely wiped something from his face. The epithet was questioned because nothing could be heard above the insanely loud chanting, but I saw the confrontation with one of the protesters who was yelling as loud as he could and cupping his hands to make himself heard.
I think it was true.

False flagging is possible, but the black congressman wiping something off his face is clearly seen.

and?

105 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:25:21pm

re: #93 Gus 802

Well, I decided to save what I had as a webarchive, for future reference. Usually I don’t save anything from such trash sites, but I figure this one might be useful in the future.

The original is of course still up at the “cowboy” site.

106 keloyd  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:25:49pm

re: #101 Naso Tang

sarcasm + monty python, my pretty

107 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:25:58pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

Maybe they figured out how bad it looks.

Yeah. It’s a little weird though to pull a thread and stipulate that the reason is because it’s “SS bait.” That’s almost like saying they agree but “just don’t want to attract the cops.”

108 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:26:51pm

re: #102 Cato the Elder

Right. I spit on people unintentionally all the time.

“Say it, don’t spray it!”

“Just give me the news, not the weather!”

109 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:27:29pm

re: #107 Gus 802

It’s exactly what they mean. To their mind, the only reason to pull such a post is because they don’t want a visit by any authorities, not that such an idea would be wrong to begin with.

110 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:27:30pm

re: #98 Aceofwhat?

my wholly unscientific, analytically unsound take is that protesting peacefully is fine and dandy while protesting angrily is also lawful (assuming the anger doesn’t lead to more than yelling) but demonstrates immaturity.

I didn’t say it was unlawful anymore than my (we) calling them maroons was.

Is maroons now the PC alternative to morons?

111 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:27:38pm

re: #96 Cato the Elder

But she keeps on trying, you have to give her that.

I really don’t think she tries at all… it comes naturally.. like breathing… maybe she should try holding her breath…

112 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:27:42pm

re: #102 Cato the Elder

Right. I spit on people unintentionally all the time.

i believe it’s a requirement if one intends to coach a men’s sport…

113 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:27:52pm

re: #102 Cato the Elder

Right. I spit on people unintentionally all the time.

so it was intentional… so fagots for Nixon. I say it was a Kos kid… PROVE me wrong.

114 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:27:53pm

I found the vile article in question. It’s first few paragraphs are below:

“Stipulated that it is illegal to kill your congressman,” Bill began using his typical cynical grin and creepy, sinister tone. “But is it immoral?”

I keep Bill as a friend because he forces me to think, often in extremely unpleasant ways. If you ever meet Bill I encourage you to discuss religion, politics or philosophy, but avoid sex. You simply don’t want to know what is on his mind regarding the last subject.

He was insistent on the question of the morality of murdering members of congress, framing his inquiry in the mechanics of personal privilege. Bill’s weak suits are law and history, and thus he was exploring as much as pontificating. In the end we concluded that capping your congress critter was indeed illegal, but in certain circumstance morally justified if not actually an imperative.

(Disclosure: I am in no way, shape, form or processes advocating killing your congressman, congresswoman, senator or any other office holder. However, I would not shed a tear if some specific members of congress were suddenly speechless due to being suddenly breathless, and I might even crack open a fresh bottle of Jack Daniels upon the demise of some others).

Extreme Bad Craziness.

115 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:28:28pm

re: #106 keloyd

sarcasm + monty python, my pretty

seriously. now i wonder if Naso got my newt reference…

116 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:28:46pm

re: #106 keloyd

sarcasm + monty python, my pretty

I’ll have to order some of those from Netflix. It’s been a while.

117 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:29:25pm

re: #113 brookly red

so it was intentional… so fagots for Nixon. I say it was a Kos kid… PROVE me wrong.

You truly are an idiot this evening. Too much Jäger and Coke? Come back when you’re sober.

118 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:29:26pm

re: #110 Naso Tang

I didn’t say it was unlawful anymore than my (we) calling them maroons was.

Is maroons now the PC alternative to morons?

i was only elucidating.

and it’s a bugs bunny quote. i’m classy like that-

119 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:31:18pm

re: #113 brookly red

so it was intentional… so fagots for Nixon. I say it was a Kos kid… PROVE me wrong.

Give it a rest. Stand two feet from me yelling with your mouth cupped with both hands and you will be lucky if you can squeek like a mouse afterwards.

120 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:31:40pm

re: #117 Cato the Elder

You truly are an idiot this evening. Too much Jäger and Coke? Come back when you’re sober.

“you mean I can never post here again?”

121 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:31:48pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

He’s a regular freeper. Pimps his own blog there, from what I can tell by looking at his profile.

122 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:32:21pm

re: #117 Cato the Elder

You truly are an idiot this evening. Too much Jäger and Coke? Come back when you’re sober.

here and now bitch, you and me, you first call me a troll & now say I am drunk? come on Cato offer just one tiny shred of proof that this was as you say. Just one tiny fact. You Can’t, not bad for a drunk troll, no.

123 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:33:15pm

Sigh.

124 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:33:50pm

re: #102 Cato the Elder

Right. I spit on people unintentionally all the time.

Anecdote:

I have a coworker - let’s call her Monsoon Marjorie - who MUST have some sort of horrible congenital defect of the saliva glands, because you are more likely than not to get wet when some comes to you asking for help with Power Point, or if she wants to tell you about Bob’s Bitchin’ Barbecue Bonanza, or needs help finding the keys to her Cadillac Coupe, which she last saw in the Kitchen while she was Cooking Cabbage.

And she is utterly oblivious to it.

125 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:34:00pm

re: #122 brookly red

Youtube Video
126 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:35:07pm

re: #109 freetoken

It’s exactly what they mean. To their mind, the only reason to pull such a post is because they don’t want a visit by any authorities, not that such an idea would be wrong to begin with.

The weirdos have it hopping all over the internet now. Here’s the read at Conservative American News under News Headlines from FreeRepublic:

Moral Manslaughter
Sun, 28 Mar 2010 22:47:14 GMT
“Stipulated that it is illegal to kill your congressman,” Bill began using his typical cynical grin and creepy, sinister tone. “But is it immoral?” … In the end we concluded that capping your congress critter was indeed…
more info…

127 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:36:19pm

re: #119 Naso Tang

Give it a rest. Stand two feet from me yelling with your mouth cupped with both hands and you will be lucky if you can squeek like a mouse afterwards.

and that is relevant because?

128 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:36:42pm

re: #123 Cato the Elder

Sigh.

“Harness in the good energy, block out the bad. Harness. Energy. Block. Bad. It’s like a carousel. You put the quarter in, you get on the horse, it goes up and down, and around. Circular, circle. Feel it. Go with the flow.”

129 sandbox  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:36:57pm

re: #95 Naso Tang

I think I figured it out. An agent provocateur working in Eric Cantor’s office—came in at night and placed the spent bullet on the window sill behind the venetian blinds. Then he (or she) drilled a tiny hole in the window—angled it upward direction. In the morning the same individual “discovers:” the bullet.

130 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:37:16pm

re: #126 Gus 802


In the end we concluded that capping your congress critter was indeed…


Hmmmmmm….I wonder how that sentence concluded.

131 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:37:42pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

immoral

132 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:38:17pm

re: #129 sandbox

I think I figured it out. An agent provocateur working in Eric Cantor’s office—came in at night and placed the spent bullet on the window sill behind the venetian blinds. Then he (or she) drilled a tiny hole in the window—angled it upward direction. In the morning the same individual “discovers:” the bullet.

Just out of curiosity, ever been to Richmond?

133 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:38:21pm

once again, spacejesus makes too much curry to fit in his space fridge.

134 swamprat  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:38:39pm

A mere flesh wound! Come back and fight me you coward! I’ll bite your ankles!

135 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:39:01pm

re: #126 Gus 802

The weirdos have it hopping all over the internet now. Here’s the read at Conservative American News under News Headlines from FreeRepublic:

The nutcase who wrote that piece said that:

Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Baucus have just annihilated 147 years of America being a slave-free nation.

Locke said that given these circumstances The People are “absolved from any farther Obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”

So a Obamacare should be read as enslavement. Its tough to even know where to start with that statement, other than the fact that the person saying it is in need of large amounts of medication.

136 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:39:02pm

re: #133 spacejesus

once again, spacejesus makes too much curry to fit in his space fridge.

that is why you fail

137 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:39:04pm

re: #133 spacejesus

once again, spacejesus makes too much curry to fit in his space fridge.

Unpossible! Just expand the fridge into another dimension. Simple.

138 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:39:49pm

re: #131 Aceofwhat?

immoral

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Hmmm…I wonder how that sentence concluded.

Here’s how it reads:

He was insistent on the question of the morality of murdering members of congress, framing his inquiry in the mechanics of personal privilege. Bill’s weak suits are law and history, and thus he was exploring as much as pontificating. In the end we concluded that capping your congress critter was indeed illegal, but in certain circumstance morally justified if not actually an imperative.

First link here to the original article.

139 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:40:30pm

re: #138 Gus 802

dang, i thought it was immoral rather than illegal. i am ashamed.

140 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:40:40pm

re: #137 Varek Raith

Unpossible! Just expand the fridge into another dimension. Simple.


ah perhaps. sometimes i just go a little over kill with the whole multiplying of food thing. first fish and bread, now gallons of curry.

141 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:40:41pm

re: #131 Aceofwhat?

immoral

Heh, not even close. Here is the actual sentence:

In the end we concluded that capping your congress critter was indeed illegal, but in certain circumstance morally justified if not actually an imperative.

142 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:41:44pm

re: #139 Aceofwhat?

dang, i thought it was immoral rather than illegal. i am ashamed.

Yeah, I think once you make the correct assumption that it’s immoral it stops there. This Guy Smith person might be getting a visit from the FBI.

143 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:43:04pm

BBL

144 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:43:52pm

re: #141 freetoken

i know. tried to be snappy and fell on my face. it’s like the commenting version of being the guy who tries to do the splits to “Stayin’ Alive” and pulls a groin muscle.

145 swamprat  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:43:58pm

re: #142 Gus 802

Yeah, I think once you make the correct assumption that it’s immoral it stops there. This Guy Smith Fawkes person might be getting a visit from the FBI.


No need to thank me.

146 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:44:38pm

re: #145 swamprat

No need to thank me.

Thank you. /

147 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:44:43pm

Hi there…so what exactly are we quarreling about now?

148 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:45:01pm

re: #127 brookly red

and that is relevant because?

Everything is relevant, some to you some to me. Same with this issue.

149 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:45:17pm

re: #136 Aceofwhat?

that is why you fail

I met him in a swamp down in Dagobah where it bubbles all the time like a giant carbonated soda

yo-yo-yo-yo yodaaaa

150 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:45:18pm

re: #147 Spare O’Lake

Hi there…so what exactly are we quarreling about now?

No quarreling. Seems like that subsided.

151 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:45:53pm

re: #148 Naso Tang

Everything is relevant, some to you some to me. Same with this issue.

I will give you that.

152 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:45:55pm

re: #147 Spare O’Lake

Hi there…so what exactly are we quarreling about now?

spit or spittle, agent or asshole, broken pane or planted bullet…

153 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:46:17pm

re: #152 Aceofwhat?

spit or spittle, agent or asshole, broken pane or planted bullet…

And was there a second shooter.

//

154 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:47:06pm
Youtube Video
155 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:47:21pm

re: #149 negativ

I met him in a swamp down in Dagobah where it bubbles all the time like a giant carbonated soda

yo-yo-yo-yo yodaaa

updinged for sheer weirdness. yoda as lola? good stuff-

156 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:47:24pm

*Clears throat*
Attention Wingnuts! You lost the election! Get the hell over yourselves and stop trying to justify offing Congressmen/women!
Idiots.

157 swamprat  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:47:30pm

re: #132 Varek Raith
“I think I figured it out. An agent provocateur working in Eric Cantor’s office—came in at night and placed the spent bullet on the window sill behind the venetian blinds. Then he (or she) drilled a tiny hole in the window—angled it upward direction. In the morning the same individual “discovers:” the bullet.”

Just out of curiosity, ever been to Richmond?

Gun. Bullet. Mattress. Slingshot. Pressconference.

158 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:47:38pm

re: #152 Aceofwhat?

spit or spittle, agent or asshole, broken pane or planted bullet…


just gimmie da facts,

159 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:47:45pm

re: #153 Gus 802

… and not on the grassy knoll outside the office building…

160 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:48:18pm

re: #153 Gus 802

And was there a second shooter.

//



Keith Hernandez! Of course!

161 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:49:57pm

re: #158 brookly red

just gimmie da facts,

i don’t have any. i’ll pour you a gin & tonic while i’m getting one for myself, though…

162 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:50:03pm

re: #156 Varek Raith

*Clears throat*
Attention Wingnuts! You lost the election! Get the hell over yourselves and stop trying to justify offing Congressmen/women!
Idiots.

Is there anything in the offing?

163 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:50:27pm

re: #97 brookly red

well you do present some interesting circumstantial observations, now can you identify the alleged white man, and prove his intent ?

Have you actually watched the video in question? I’m beginning to doubt it, given my high esteem for you usual intelligence.

164 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:50:56pm

re: #161 Aceofwhat?

i don’t have any. i’ll pour you a gin & tonic while i’m getting one for myself, though…

I will have a double & that’s a fact.

165 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:51:34pm

re: #115 Aceofwhat?

seriously. now i wonder if Naso got my newt reference…

As in grinch?

166 swamprat  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:52:58pm

re: #165 Naso Tang

As in grinch?


You’re a sly one;
Newt green-grinch!

167 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:53:14pm

re: #165 Naso Tang

As in grinch?

sigh. you’re making me sad.

MP and the Holy Grail, of course.

Sir Bedevere: What makes you think she’s a witch?
Peasant 3: Well, she turned me into a newt!
Sir Bedevere: A newt?
Peasant 3: [meekly after a long pause] … I got better.
Crowd: [shouts] Burn her anyway!

168 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:53:42pm

re: #163 Naso Tang

Have you actually watched the video in question? I’m beginning to doubt it, given my high esteem for you usual intelligence.

what does the video prove? that a man was spit on? by who? tea party, al quada, peta, working families party, greens, a lone madman? what is the point?

169 Linden Arden  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:54:04pm

re: #10 Obdicut

My favorite living songwriter is Mr. Waits.

I highly recommend, for anyone who likes him, this collection of interviews with him:

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

‘Bone Machine’ is my favorite album ever.

Someone mentioned that his songs were sad. In Bone - every song is about death or contains the word “bone”. Many of the instruments Waits uses are found art - saws, cranks, anvils, chains, etc - from an old barn.

Murder in the Red Barn sets the tone.

170 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:54:25pm

re: #164 brookly red

I will have a double & that’s a fact.

all mine are doubles….at least

171 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:54:26pm

re: #160 Aceofwhat?


Keith Hernandez! Of course!

Seinfeld/Hernandez Second Spitter Scene

Youtube Video
172 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:55:06pm

re: #170 albusteve

all mine are doubles…at least

damn… you got a single sister?

173 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:55:07pm

Checking back on the freepers to see if anyone reposted Guy Smiths homicidal rants… and came across yet another new posting on the Hutaree raids. The freepers are working hard to make sure the Harpy doesn’t out-hate them today, if the comments are any indication.

174 swamprat  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:55:36pm

re: #167 Aceofwhat?

sigh. you’re making me sad.

MP and the Holy Grail, of course.

Sir Bedevere: What makes you think she’s a witch?
Peasant 3: Well, she turned me into a newt!
Sir Bedevere: A newt?
Peasant 3: [meekly after a long pause] … I got better.
Crowd: [shouts] Burn her anyway!

Youtube Video
175 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:56:38pm

re: #172 brookly red

damn… you got a single sister?

yes, but she’s generally unavailable…she’s out every other weekend for short field trips tho

176 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:56:43pm

re: #174 swamprat

Thank you!

Naso - that is required viewing, mon copain…

177 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:57:27pm

re: #167 Aceofwhat?

I thought mine was better, to be self laudatory, but I admit it’s sad that I don’t have all the MP stuff at the tip of my tongue, so to speak, given that I was addicted to it once. Probably the answer is that I saw the originals, and you are watching the reruns, young man.

Either that or late onset Alzheimer.

178 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:57:32pm

How to keep the cat off of the countertops? An electric eye, a strobe, and a blender do the trick nicely…

179 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:58:03pm

re: #175 albusteve

yes, but she’s generally unavailable…she’s out every other weekend for short field trips tho

oh well…

180 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:58:38pm

as for the Spitter Incident
two words…
big whoop

it’s happened before and it will again, hardly worth all the hot air blown over it

181 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 4:59:23pm

re: #152 Aceofwhat?

spit or spittle, agent or asshole, broken pane or planted bullet…

If it was drool, he’s kinda cool,
If he didn’t spit, you must acquit.

182 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:01:53pm

re: #177 Naso Tang

I thought mine was better, to be self laudatory, but I admit it’s sad that I don’t have all the MP stuff at the tip of my tongue, so to speak, given that I was addicted to it once. Probably the answer is that I saw the originals, and you are watching the reruns, young man.

Either that or late onset Alzheimer.

likely the former. i’m no college kid but neither was i in a position to catch the originals…

183 Jimmah  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:02:11pm

re: #14 Cato the Elder

Looks like Yoops over at the Defenseman blog has had enough of Catonian ridicule. Also, he says he won’t be coming back to play here anytime soon. Such a loss.

Final exchange, as far as I’m concerned:

If his beef isn’t with Charles, why did he spit the dummy oot by closing his blog and preventing anyone from reading it’s content after he and rose failed in their first attempts to get iceweasel and myself banned from LGF?

Apparently Yooper is so hard of thinking that he reckons posting comments on a blog is tantamount to “creating and maintaining it”. I guess I must be responsible for creating and maintaining LGF too then! What a lousy, stupid liar he is.

As for iceweasel, she didn’t even post there - and to reiterate, Defenseman was up and running before iceweasel was even a regular commenter on LGF.

I stopped posting there when I realised the site was just giving the stalkers more webspace to spew their crap on, I’m not going to start posting there again just to give him and rose the same now that they are stalking us. He won’t post here again for two main reasons - first, because he lacks the guts, and second, he despises LGF.

Finally, it is interesting that he doesn’t even try to defend himself against the fact that he let Hoops take the fall for his website but instead tries to shift the blame for his own cowardice to other people by saying they didn’t call him out for his cowardice soon enough. Un fucking believable.

Hoops was outed by the stalkers when they thought he was responsible for ‘Defenseman’. Later they figured out it was Yooper and the posted his personal information too. Now Yooper is trying to get the stalkers to do the same to us.

He and rose couldn’t get us banned from LGF by writing to Charles. Now they hope to get us to stop posting on LGF by having the stalkers chase down our personal information and post it. He and rose are scum

184 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:02:21pm

Not content with dominating the virtuoso category in every other musical genre, petite Japanese girls now play jazz.

[Link: www.npr.org…]

I *love* “QBE”, too. Off to buy the album…

185 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:02:58pm

re: #181 Spare O’Lake

If it was drool, he’s kinda cool,
If he didn’t spit, you must acquit.

when spittle is outlawed only outlaws will have spittle.

186 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:04:18pm

re: #181 Spare O’Lake

If it was drool, he’s kinda cool,
If he didn’t spit, you must acquit.

Jackie Chiles: So we got an attractive woman, wearing a bra, no top, walkin’ around in broad daylight. She’s flouting society’s conventions!
Cosmo Kramer: She was flouting.
Jackie Chiles: That’s totally inappropriate. It’s lewd, vesivius, salacious, outrageous!

187 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:05:21pm

re: #185 brookly red

when spittle is outlawed only outlaws will have spittle.

“smile when you spit like that”…
‘The Virginian’

188 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:06:45pm

re: #187 albusteve

“smile when you spit like that”…
‘The Virginian’

pas me up some of that RedMan will yah?

189 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:07:00pm

Is Nickelback the worst band ever?

190 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:08:04pm

I just saw the video on CNN.
The ranting old fogey did not hock a loogie.
No hock there.
To convict you need to prove an unambiguous hock.
Not guilty.

191 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:08:48pm

does this car make my butt look fat?
Image: Tyler%27s%201969%20Camaro%20SS.jpg

193 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:10:06pm

re: #191 albusteve

does this car make my butt look fat?
[Link: www.spdkilz.com…]

no, but your mullet does/

194 Jimmah  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:11:14pm

Ratzinger is the Perfect Pope, By Richard Dawkins

“Should Pope Benedict XVI be held responsible for the escalating scandals over clerical sexual abuse in Europe?” Yes he should, and it’s going to escalate a lot further, as more and more victims break through the guilt of their childhood indoctrination and come forward.

“Should he be investigated for how cases of abuse were handled under his watch as archbishop of Munich or as the Vatican’s chief doctrinal enforcer?” Yes, of course he should. This former head of the Inquisition should be arrested the moment he dares to set foot outside his tinpot fiefdom of the Vatican, and he should be tried in an appropriate civil - not ecclesiastical - court. That’s what should happen. Sadly, we all know our faith-befuddled governments will be too craven to do it.

“Should the pope resign?” No. As the College of Cardinals must have recognized when they elected him, he is perfectly - ideally - qualified to lead the Roman Catholic Church. A leering old villain in a frock, who spent decades conspiring behind closed doors for the position he now holds; a man who believes he is infallible and acts the part; a man whose preaching of scientific falsehood is responsible for the deaths of countless AIDS victims in Africa; a man whose first instinct when his priests are caught with their pants down is to cover up the scandal and damn the young victims to silence: in short, exactly the right man for the job. He should not resign, moreover, because he is perfectly positioned to accelerate the downfall of the evil, corrupt organization whose character he fits like a glove, and of which he is the absolute and historically appropriate monarch.

contd :

[Link: newsweek.washingtonpost.com…]

195 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:12:05pm

re: #191 albusteve

Somebody abandoned a mid 70’s Plymouth Fury on the street outside my house. It’s not really a classic but still a cool car. I wonder if I can lay claim to it.

196 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:12:23pm

re: #193 Aceofwhat?

no, but your mullet does/

you LIE!!
Image: huge%20foreheaded%20mullet.jpg

197 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:12:52pm

re: #184 negativ

Not content with dominating the virtuoso category in every other musical genre, petite Japanese girls now play jazz.

[Link: www.npr.org…]

I *love* “QBE”, too. Off to buy the album…

I recall one 14-year old violin prodigy from Japan half-joking that she was billed as 14 years old until she was around 26.

198 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:13:18pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

Somebody abandoned a mid 70’s Plymouth Fury on the street outside my house. It’s not really a classic but still a cool car. I wonder if I can lay claim to it.

Hmm, wonder if salvage type laws apply???

199 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:13:23pm

re: #196 albusteve

you LIE!!
[Link: members.tripod.com…]

i can’t see the image, for some reason??

200 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:13:33pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

Somebody abandoned a mid 70’s Plymouth Fury on the street outside my house. It’s not really a classic but still a cool car. I wonder if I can lay claim to it.

squatters rights…some of those big old cars are pretty cool anyway

201 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:14:09pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

Somebody abandoned a mid 70’s Plymouth Fury on the street outside my house. It’s not really a classic but still a cool car. I wonder if I can lay claim to it.

do it… just haul it in and chop it for parts… is it an 8 cylinder ?

202 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:14:11pm

re: #199 Aceofwhat?

i can’t see the image, for some reason??

too bad for you!

203 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:14:30pm

Car Cleaning Fail

Liveleak Video
204 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:14:39pm

re: #194 Jimmah

It’s now becoming part of the culture war in the US. The right-o-sphere is rallying around Ratzinger, claiming that the leftist MSM is out to get him.

205 Racer X  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:14:40pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

Somebody abandoned a mid 70’s Plymouth Fury on the street outside my house. It’s not really a classic but still a cool car. I wonder if I can lay claim to it.

Go get it before someone turns it in as a clunker.

206 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:15:34pm

re: #198 Varek Raith

Hmm, wonder if salvage type laws apply???

well the 2 bodies in the trunk may complicate things…

208 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:16:02pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

Somebody abandoned a mid 70’s Plymouth Fury on the street outside my house. It’s not really a classic but still a cool car. I wonder if I can lay claim to it.

Might want to have the police run the tags first.

209 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:16:34pm

re: #206 brookly red

well the 2 bodies in the trunk may complicate things…

but you gotta love a trunk that can fit 2 bodies in the first place…

210 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:17:00pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

Amazing! You got a LiveLeak embed to work!

211 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:17:00pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

Car Cleaning Fail

[Video]

heh…didn’t pay his loan

212 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:17:20pm

re: #209 Aceofwhat?

but you gotta love a trunk that can fit 2 bodies in the first place…

if you cut em right it could hold 3…

213 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:17:22pm

re: #201 brookly red

do it… just haul it in and chop it for parts… is it an 8 cylinder ?

Not sure. It’s older than I thought it’s a Third generation: 1965-68 so it’s a v8 or a slant six. My first car was a Dodge Dart with a slant six. Easy engine to work on.

214 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:17:42pm

re: #211 albusteve

heh…didn’t pay his loan

Sheesh, who tries to stiff God on a loan?!?!?!

215 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:17:58pm

re: #197 The Sanity Inspector

I recall one 14-year old violin prodigy from Japan half-joking that she was billed as 14 years old until she was around 26.

I still get carded

216 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:18:05pm

re: #207 Gus 802

Here he is exchanging sekrit hand signals.

Terrorist Fist Bump!

217 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:18:45pm

re: #213 Killgore Trout

Not sure. It’s older than I thought it’s a Third generation: 1965-68 so it’s a v8 or a slant six. My first car was a Dodge Dart with a slant six. Easy engine to work on.

you and pull the block and still not disturb any evidence…

218 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:18:50pm

re: #210 The Sanity Inspector

They usually work. Sometimes the embed video has bugs but it’s rare.

219 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:18:51pm

re: #213 Killgore Trout

Not sure. It’s older than I thought it’s a Third generation: 1965-68 so it’s a v8 or a slant six. My first car was a Dodge Dart with a slant six. Easy engine to work on.

I doubt you can claim it. Even if you took it to your property:

Abandoned Vehicles on Your Property - Oregon

This page provides information about abandoned vehicles.

There are no provisions in the law that allow you to claim ownership of an abandoned vehicle on your property, even if you have no knowledge of who owns the vehicle or why it was left there. Also, DMV cannot give you the name or address of the person who owns the vehicle.
220 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:19:18pm

re: #219 Gus 802

Bugger.

221 Jimmah  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:20:10pm

re: #204 freetoken

It’s now becoming part of the culture war in the US. The right-o-sphere is rallying around Ratzinger, claiming that the leftist MSM is out to get him.

I thought the right was supposed to be ‘strong on law and order’? No longer surprising though - the right is championing just about every idiocy out there these days.

222 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:20:13pm

re: #213 Killgore Trout

Not sure. It’s older than I thought it’s a Third generation: 1965-68 so it’s a v8 or a slant six. My first car was a Dodge Dart with a slant six. Easy engine to work on.

talking a vintage cool car now…they are in demand

223 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:20:51pm

re: #219 Gus 802

That’s stinks. I can’t claim it and getting it towed involves me filling out forms and stuff. It’ll just sit there. Maybe someone will steal it eventually.

224 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:21:29pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

That’s stinks. I can’t claim it and getting it towed involves me filling out forms and stuff. It’ll just sit there. Maybe someone will steal it eventually.

parts… parts… parts.

225 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:21:48pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

That’s stinks. I can’t claim it and getting it towed involves me filling out forms and stuff. It’ll just sit there. Maybe someone will steal it eventually.

torch it…problem solved

226 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:22:17pm

re: #222 albusteve

talking a vintage cool car now…they are in demand

Yeah, I can’t figure out why it was abandoned. It’s clean and very well taken care of. The seatbelts are even neatly rolled up. Somebody loved that car.

227 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:22:55pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I can’t figure out why it was abandoned. It’s clean and very well taken care of. The seatbelts are even neatly rolled up. Somebody loved that car.

did you look in the trunk?

228 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:23:32pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I can’t figure out why it was abandoned. It’s clean and very well taken care of. The seatbelts are even neatly rolled up. Somebody loved that car.

are there a lot of flies around?

229 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:23:33pm

re: #221 Jimmah

It’s now becoming part of the MSM attacking Christianity meme.

230 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:23:35pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

That’s stinks. I can’t claim it and getting it towed involves me filling out forms and stuff. It’ll just sit there. Maybe someone will steal it eventually.

Yeah, here’s the Oregon Vehicle Code which covers abandoned vehicles. I think if you call the cops they will usually put a sticker on the car giving the owner 24 hours. Then it’s towed.

231 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:24:20pm

re: #227 brookly red

did you look in the trunk?

My first thought.

232 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:24:41pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

That’s stinks. I can’t claim it and getting it towed involves me filling out forms and stuff. It’ll just sit there. Maybe someone will steal it eventually.

Leave the car there, but take off a couple of parts every day until all that’s left out there is the undercarriage and the axles.

233 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:24:55pm

re: #225 albusteve

torch it…problem solved

he doesn’t live in paris…

234 Racer X  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:25:09pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I can’t figure out why it was abandoned. It’s clean and very well taken care of. The seatbelts are even neatly rolled up. Somebody loved that car.

Its probably stolen. Some poor guy has been crying wondering where his car is.

235 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:25:10pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I can’t figure out why it was abandoned. It’s clean and very well taken care of. The seatbelts are even neatly rolled up. Somebody loved that car.

maybe it’s not abandoned…call the cops if it sits there for a bit…maybe it was stolen or whatever

236 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:26:24pm

re: #235 albusteve

maybe it’s not abandoned…call the cops if it sits there for a bit…maybe it was stolen or whatever

are there a lot of flies around?

237 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:26:25pm

re: #233 Aceofwhat?

he doesn’t live in paris…

Portland is the Paris of the Columbia!
the rose city

238 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:27:39pm

re: #237 albusteve

Downtown Portland is one of the best places to sit at an outside cafe’ and watch the people go by.

239 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:28:51pm

re: #232 Spare O’Lake

Leave the car there, but take off a couple of parts every day until all that’s left out there is the undercarriage and the axles.

it may be a GTX…..$$$$$

240 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:29:45pm

re: #238 pingjockey

Downtown Portland is one of the best places to sit at an outside cafe’ and watch the people go by.

yes, I’ve heard that’s all Portlandians do tho

241 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:31:18pm

nobody would abandon this sweetheart…
Image: 05.jpg

242 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:31:24pm

re: #240 albusteve
Don’t know. Was down there for work and had brought my lunch and was setting outside the shop and was thoroughly entertained for over an hour watching the street go by.

243 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:31:54pm

re: #234 Racer X

Its probably stolen. Some poor guy has been crying wondering where his car is.

Good point. Maybe I’ll call it in next week.

244 Racer X  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:33:00pm

re: #241 albusteve

nobody would abandon this sweetheart…
[Link: www.collectormotors.com…]

Nice!

That is what is sitting in front of KT’s house? Damn.

245 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:34:06pm

Oh, noes! Socialized Medical Fist Bump!

246 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:34:32pm

re: #241 albusteve

nobody would abandon this sweetheart…
[Link: www.collectormotors.com…]

No offence, but that is what a lot of people would call an old shitbox.

247 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:35:20pm

re: #242 pingjockey

Don’t know. Was down there for work and had brought my lunch and was setting outside the shop and was thoroughly entertained for over an hour watching the street go by.

I passed through one time and didn’t stay long…but I like river towns…Louisville is a favorite…Cincy, Pittsburgh

248 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:35:25pm

re: #246 Spare O’Lake
A lot of people are idiots!

249 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:36:02pm

re: #246 Spare O’Lake

No offence, but that is what a lot of people would call an old shitbox.

a lot of people are stupid

250 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:36:13pm

re: #244 Racer X

It’s not tricked out like that but that’s more or less it. It’s monkey puke green, probably original paint. Upholstery has a few rips but it’s all in decent original condition.

251 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:36:24pm

Just to prove how violent the freepers are waxing today… “2ndDivisionVet” just posted a thread: “The Obama Administration’s Plot Against America”, in which the first comments are:

A million (rifle) man march might wake them up.
1 posted on March 28, 2010 5:24:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet


-

I am getting a vague idea that what if there was actually 20 million two or three person militia groups instead?

Too small to target and too many to track down.

A grass root public announcement by any patriotic citizen that they swear allegiance and are now declaring they are their own militia.

(Yes I know the Constitution has a passage of this very idea, but everyone ignores THAT piece of paper)


2 posted on March 28, 2010 5:29:28 PM PDT by Eye of Unk


-

With the likes of Ted Nugent proclaiming “shoot the pigs”, Sarah Palin using mock target symbols, etc., is it any wonder that their peons are salivating?

252 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:37:14pm

re: #221 Jimmah

I thought the right was supposed to be ‘strong on law and order’? No longer surprising though - the right is championing just about every idiocy out there these days.

Don’t forget: Government is inherently incompetent and incapable of doing anything right. Government is inherently corrupt and self-serving.

EXCEPT when we’re talking about police and district attorneys. THEN they’re brave crusaders for Truth and Justice who Put Their Life On The Line™

253 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:38:08pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout
Yep. MOPAR green. If the body is straight, it’s is a nice car. You can actually work on the engine with basic tools and don’t need a bunch of electronic test equipment like todays cars.

254 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:39:16pm

re: #191 albusteve

does this car make my butt look fat?
[Link: www.spdkilz.com…]

My, have you lost some weight?
*wink*

255 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:39:57pm

re: #251 freetoken

Just to prove how violent the freepers are waxing today… “2ndDivisionVet” just posted a thread: “The Obama Administration’s Plot Against America”, in which the first comments are:


-

With the likes of Ted Nugent proclaiming “shoot the pigs”, Sarah Palin using mock target symbols, etc., is it any wonder that their peons are salivating?

that quote is abhorrent…but i have this nagging suspicion that Ted Nugent will not be the vanguard of our destruction…

256 Racer X  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:40:41pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

It’s not tricked out like that but that’s more or less it. It’s monkey puke green, probably original paint. Upholstery has a few rips but it’s all in decent original condition.

Call it in as stolen, then listen to the police scanner on-line to see if they send out a car. They may mention who owns the car over the radio.

257 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:41:39pm

re: #254 Floral Giraffe

My, have you lost some weight?
*wink*

cool pic eh?…I want one…my BIL has a yellow/black stripes he will sell me, but I don’t like yellow

258 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:41:49pm

re: #255 Aceofwhat?

Nugent, not unlike many faded stars, is probably only looking for the limelight he once enjoyed. Yet there is no doubt that he likes the violent language, and is encouraging it.

Same with that Celeb, and Cato Love Doll, Sarah Palin.

259 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:42:30pm

re: #258 freetoken

heh. updinged for ‘Cato Love Doll’. well done.

260 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:42:55pm

re: #257 albusteve
Are you mad? Who cares about the color?! It’s a SS Camaro for crying out loud!

261 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:43:31pm

re: #257 albusteve

cool pic eh?…I want one…my BIL has a yellow/black stripes he will sell me, but I don’t like yellow

I bet that shop I linked to last night, could find one for you!

262 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:43:46pm

re: #258 freetoken

Nugent, not unlike many faded stars, is probably only looking for the limelight he once enjoyed. Yet there is no doubt that he likes the violent language, and is encouraging it.

Same with that Celeb, and Cato Love Doll, Sarah Palin.

I’d ask, who cares?…but that’s exactly not the point these days

263 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:44:03pm

IIRC, Ted doesn’t use guns. He’s a bow hunter.

264 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:45:12pm

I’d tale this one.

Aston Martin One-77

265 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:45:25pm

re: #263 pingjockey

IIRC, Ted doesn’t use guns. He’s a bow hunter.

and i doubt that he’s abstained from violent language until recently. he doesn’t strike me as a pacifist.

i didn’t hear about the Palin/target deal. i’ll go fishing for that story…

266 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:46:00pm

re: #263 pingjockey

IIRC, Ted doesn’t use guns. He’s a bow hunter.

Never bring a bow to a Mad Minute.

267 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:46:31pm

re: #266 Decatur Deb
Eggzactly!

268 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:47:20pm

re: #248 pingjockey

re: #249 albusteve

Don’t mind me…I like new cars that require little or no maintenance, get great mileage and are really fast.

269 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:48:09pm

All this car stuff, did any of y’all see the Discover or History channel show on the Bugati factory? Very cool and the car goes 250mph and only will cost you 1.5 million bucks.

270 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:48:37pm

re: #260 pingjockey

Are you mad? Who cares about the color?! It’s a SS Camaro for crying out loud!

he runs a 30 over 427 in it but he has the original 396/375hp motor…it’s not a grocery getter but it could easily be put back to it’s original status..I love street rods but even more I dig the originals, they were plenty fast enough….30k to me, brotherly love and all that (both motors)

271 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:49:12pm

re: #269 pingjockey

All this car stuff, did any of y’all see the Discover or History channel show on the Bugati factory? Very cool and the car goes 250mph and only will cost you 1.5 million bucks.

Too much bling-bling on that car.

272 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:49:40pm

re: #268 Spare O’Lake
Ah. I like vehicles I can work on myself. I won’t even touch the wifes car. Way to much interconnected electronics. Change the oil and plugs and that’s about it.

273 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:50:07pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

Somebody abandoned a mid 70’s Plymouth Fury on the street outside my house. It’s not really a classic but still a cool car. I wonder if I can lay claim to it.

Where there is a will there is a way.

274 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:50:20pm

re: #269 pingjockey

All this car stuff, did any of y’all see the Discover or History channel show on the Bugati factory? Very cool and the car goes 250mph and only will cost you 1.5 million bucks.

Italians?…pffft!
high performance starts on Woodward Boulevard amigo

275 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:50:33pm

re: #270 albusteve
30k for the car and both motors would be a steal!

276 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:51:40pm

re: #271 Gus 802

Too much bling-bling on that car.

If you like clean and simple exteriors:

[Link: www.flickr.com…]

277 nines09  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:51:55pm

Tom Waits on Fernwood Tonight. Great stuff, I doubt half the audience ever heard of Tom but they knew him when he left.The Pianos Been Drinking Tom is a National Treasure. Him and John Hammond tear it up on the CD Wicked Grin from a while back.Shore LeaveHas Tom all over it. Enjoy and good night.

278 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:52:34pm

re: #271 Gus 802
It was cool though. I liked the tire and brake testing set up. But lotsa bling, then for 1.5 mill it should give male drivers a Lewinsky when they get in.

279 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:52:50pm

re: #269 pingjockey

All this car stuff, did any of y’all see the Discover or History channel show on the Bugati factory? Very cool and the car goes 250mph and only will cost you 1.5 million bucks.

I didn’t see it, but isn’t it stupid making a car that can go 250 if it isn’t a formula 1? Isn’t it stupider buying one?

280 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:53:03pm

re: #275 pingjockey

30k for the car and both motors would be a steal!

yes, it would be…he knows how much I love that car…but it needs to be tuned down…too fast, too loud, too much car…it’s a racer…but the body design melts my heart…one of the most beautiful cars ever made

281 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:53:46pm

re: #279 Naso Tang
Well, you can’t take it with you. But, I agree in principle.

282 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:54:23pm

re: #279 Naso Tang

I didn’t see it, but isn’t it stupid making a car that can go 250 if it isn’t a formula 1? Isn’t it stupider buying one?

it’s an investment, almost useless otherwise, especially in the US

283 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:54:39pm

re: #280 albusteve
Saw a new Camaro the other day. Chevy went retro with the design, looks very good.

284 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:55:17pm

re: #278 pingjockey

It was cool though. I liked the tire and brake testing set up. But lotsa bling, then for 1.5 mill it should give male drivers a Lewinsky when they get in.

I liked it but there’s something about that grille I don’t like. Otherwise it is the fastest and has some great technological features. Anyone getting a car that can go that fast and so quickly sure better be careful and have a lot of self control. Otherwise, well, you know. Probably would be a good idea to get some high race training alongside the purchase. Given the price I think that would be no problem for the buyers.

285 pingjockey  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:57:05pm

re: #284 Gus 802
One helluva piece of engineering for sure. I would think Bugati, like Ferrari has a driving school for their vehicles.
Later folks, dinner time.

286 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:57:21pm

re: #276 Decatur Deb

If you like clean and simple exteriors:

[Link: www.flickr.com…]

Jaguars are nice cars. Of course, they started building those 4 door boxes that were very popular during the 80s and 90s. Always in the shop.

287 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:59:18pm

re: #283 pingjockey

Saw a new Camaro the other day. Chevy went retro with the design, looks very good.

yes, they do…very nice and they are all over ABQ…the high end SS is extremely powerful…I’d own one in a heatrbeat…NM is car heaven, second only to that mad house Los Angeles

288 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:59:46pm

re: #277 nines09

Tom Waits on Fernwood Tonight. Great stuff, I doubt half the audience ever heard of Tom but they knew him when he left.The Pianos Been Drinking Tom is a National Treasure. Him and John Hammond tear it up on the CD Wicked Grin from a while back.Shore LeaveHas Tom all over it. Enjoy and good night.

Fernwood Tonight was my first exposure to Tom Waits. More importantly, it was my first exposure to Fred Willard. Fred Willard is inexcusably under-appreciated.

( Don Knotts and Dick van Dyke, too)

289 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:59:48pm

re: #286 Gus 802

Jaguars are nice cars. Of course, they started building those 4 door boxes that were very popular during the 80s and 90s. Always in the shop.

Even clapped-out E types were always out of my hobby range. I actually liked the MkII’s (Inspector Morse’s) too.

290 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:01:18pm

re: #287 albusteve

yes, they do…very nice and they are all over ABQ…the high end SS is extremely powerful…I’d own one in a heatrbeat…NM is car heaven, second only to that mad house Los Angeles

I was disappointed, not to see anything fun out driving this morning. On my Sunday walk, the cars are usually the highlight!

291 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:01:32pm

re: #289 Decatur Deb

Even clapped-out E types were always out of my hobby range. I actually liked the MkII’s (Inspector Morse’s) too.

how about the cheap version of the XKE?
Image: File:Austin-Healey_3000_1967.jpg

292 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:03:12pm

re: #291 albusteve

how about the cheap version of the XKE?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Big Healeys are neat in their own right. I had a couple MG Midgets, that were badge twins of the Sprite.

293 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:04:56pm

Gene Simmons is one of the most conservative sticks-in-the-mud people I’ve ever seen.

294 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:05:13pm

re: #290 Floral Giraffe

I was disappointed, not to see anything fun out driving this morning. On my Sunday walk, the cars are usually the highlight!

every single time I leave the house…within a couple of minutes I see a vintage car, a racer or whatever…I seem to have landed in a hotbed here in the north valley of Albuquerque….cool cars EVERYWHERE!…they really get into trucks down here…lots of old trucks…in fact there is a business a few blocks from me that specializes in redoing old trucks and they sell a lot of them back in LA

295 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:05:21pm

re: #290 Floral Giraffe

I was disappointed, not to see anything fun out driving this morning. On my Sunday walk, the cars are usually the highlight!

No roaming car clubs? Sometimes in the summer you’ll see some car clubs heading up towards Rocky Mountain National park. I did see a Bugati Veyron a couple of months ago.

296 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:05:47pm

,

297 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:06:05pm

re: #294 albusteve

I always love seeing a Sunbeam Tiger!
I would get too many tickets, if I owned one.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

298 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:06:48pm

re: #296 MandyManners

i disagree

299 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:06:53pm

OK, this is ugly.

300 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:07:01pm

re: #296 MandyManners

,

Commas are evil.

301 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:07:09pm

re: #295 Gus 802

No roaming car clubs? Sometimes in the summer you’ll see some car clubs heading up towards Rocky Mountain National park. I did see a Bugati Veyron a couple of months ago.

I once saw an Airstream trailer meet up. Over 100 of them!

302 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:07:23pm

re: #291 albusteve

how about the cheap version of the XKE?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

My first car. My dad was pissed too that it was what I bought with the 600 pds sterling he gave me for a car.

Image: File:1960_Austin_Healey_Sprite.jpg

303 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:07:31pm

re: #286 Gus 802

Jaguars are nice cars. Of course, they started building those 4 door boxes that were very popular during the 80s and 90s. Always in the shop.

I once read a post somewhere by a Jag owner, who was frustrated by all the mechanical problems they had. He said he finally figured it out: all those heads turning as he drove past were former Jaguar owners craning around to laugh at him.

304 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:07:37pm

re: #292 Decatur Deb

Big Healeys are neat in their own right. I had a couple MG Midgets, that were badge twins of the Sprite.

one of mt best HS buddies had a 67 3000, the last year they made them….not only quick but the cornering was off the scale, and HUGE brakes, just in case…his was British Racing Green and I drove it manys the time

305 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:08:13pm

re: #301 Floral Giraffe

I once saw an Airstream trailer meet up. Over 100 of them!

Did you? I remember as a kid when we were doing the travel trailer thing I always dreamed we could have one.

306 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:08:28pm

re: #298 Aceofwhat?

i disagree

Do you watch his show?

307 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:08:44pm

re: #298 Aceofwhat?

i disagree

Oh, shit. Nevermind.

308 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:08:58pm

[Link: www.reuters.com…]

healthcare fist bump? well let’s see a billion dollar loss in one quarter… nahhh that won’t cost any jobs…

309 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:09:13pm

re: #300 Decatur Deb

Commas are evil.

Semi-colons are Satans.

310 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:09:20pm

re: #293 MandyManners

Gene Simmons is one of the most conservative sticks-in-the-mud people I’ve ever seen.

Here he is, cheerleading with his bass.

Youtube Video
311 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:09:58pm

re: #302 Naso Tang

My first car. My dad was pissed too that it was what I bought with the 600 pds sterling he gave me for a car.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

an old bug eyed Sprite!…neat little guy

312 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:10:35pm

re: #308 brookly red

[Link: www.reuters.com…]

healthcare fist bump? well let’s see a billion dollar loss in one quarter… nahhh that won’t cost any jobs…

I’m tempted to post a rant about this cock-up but, I’ll refrain.

313 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:11:04pm

re: #306 MandyManners

Do you watch his show?

no, but check the post i replied to…

314 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:11:10pm

re: #299 Gus 802

OK, this is ugly.

Beyond ugly.

Just give me a nice Triumph Spitfire. Ahh, that’s better

William

315 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:11:23pm

re: #310 The Sanity Inspector

Here he is, cheerleading with his bass.

[Video]

I’m not talking about his on-stage persona. I’m talking about his reality as a family man.

316 Virginia Plain  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:11:43pm

Say, whatever happened to the dog in Baltimore who was just left outside a 7-11 while police did shit all about it?

317 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:12:01pm

re: #313 Aceofwhat?

no, but check the post i replied to…

I did.

*hangs head in shame*

318 Jimmah  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:12:07pm

re: #298 Aceofwhat?

i disagree

Commanist!

319 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:12:23pm

re: #309 MandyManners

Semi-colons are Satans.

I can scope that out.

[Link: www.google.com…]

320 The Shadow Do  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:12:45pm

re: #314 wlewisiii

Beyond ugly.

Just give me a nice Triumph Spitfire. Ahh, that’s better

William

Did you know it was entirely possible to get eight drunk college students into that vehicle?

321 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:12:57pm

re: #312 MandyManners

I’m tempted to post a rant about this cock-up but, I’ll refrain.

don’t worry in a few months all will be clear… what a shame.

322 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:13:00pm

re: #316 Virginia Plain

Say, whatever happened to the dog in Baltimore who was just left outside a 7-11 while police did shit all about it?

Maybe the police had to deal with a robbery or a rape or a murder or a traffic accident?

323 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:13:02pm

Winston the Bulldog vs Patrol Car

Youtube Video

He destroys the bumper on that Ford Crown Victoria!

324 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:13:50pm

re: #320 The Shadow Do

Did you know it was entirely possible to get eight drunk college students into that vehicle?

Key word being “drunk”? LOL

William

325 The Shadow Do  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:15:20pm

re: #324 wlewisiii

Key word being “drunk”? LOL

William

May have been seven, I don’t remember.

326 Jimmah  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:15:57pm

I don’t agree with everything Condell says these days, but this is mostly rather good:

Is Satan a Catholic?

Youtube Video
327 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:16:05pm

re: #319 Decatur Deb

I can scope that out.

[Link: www.google.com…]

Beyond bizarre! ROFLMAO!

328 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:16:11pm

re: #314 wlewisiii

Beyond ugly.

Just give me a nice Triumph Spitfire. Ahh, that’s better

William

For the past few years I’ve been seeing a lot of cartoon cars. They’re just completely out of balance. Monster grills with humps on the sheet metal that look like they put them anywhere. I suspect it’s partly because they’re not initially designed on paper.

329 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:16:17pm

re: #301 Floral Giraffe

I once saw an Airstream trailer meet up. Over 100 of them!

Back in the 90s, there used to be a proto-blog called Airstream Chronicles.

330 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:16:40pm

re: #298 Aceofwhat?

that’s because you are intrinsically wrong.

331 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:18:01pm

re: #330 negativ

;

332 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:19:05pm

re: #321 brookly red

don’t worry in a few months all will be clear… what a shame.

It’s clear to those inside BHO’s Band of Merry Progs and those who have opposed it on constitutional, philosophical and ideological grounds.

333 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:20:40pm

I miss my first car, the cast-off family vehicle. I called it the Batmobile.

334 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:21:35pm

Are there hidden songs on your cds?

335 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:21:39pm

re: #332 MandyManners

It’s clear to those inside BHO’s Band of Merry Progs and those who have opposed it on constitutional, philosophical and ideological grounds.

at the end of the day money talks… I can’t wait to hear these bitches whine when they lose their jobs…

336 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:23:46pm

re: #335 brookly red

at the end of the day money talks… I can’t wait to hear these bitches assholes whine when they lose their jobs…

337 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:24:05pm

re: #326 jimmah

I don’t agree with everything Condell says these days, but this is mostly rather good:

Is Satan a Catholic?


[Video]

I’m a big fan…I see no where to dispute this blurb

338 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:25:02pm

re: #336 MandyManners

it is what it is… but it is a coming soon.

339 Gus  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:25:54pm

Ah well. It was nice while it lasted. We’ve fast descended into blanket insults.

340 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:26:24pm

re: #312 MandyManners

I’m tempted to post a rant about this cock-up but, I’ll refrain.

Don’t jump on the bandwagon too fast but, talking of cockups, how come your post avatar is not the same “intellectual” one on your info/bio?

I really think the picture of whatshisname doesn’t do my mental image of you any good at all.

341 windsagio  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:27:16pm

re: #340 Naso Tang

/driveby

because she loves torture?

//driveby

342 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:29:44pm

re: #339 Gus 802

Ah well. It was nice while it lasted. We’ve fast descended into blanket insults.

Things are still fairly civil. These are more like Snuggie Insults (tm).

343 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:33:06pm

re: #339 Gus 802

Ah well. It was nice while it lasted. We’ve fast descended into blanket insults.

where? who was insulted?

344 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:33:44pm

re: #338 brookly red

it is what it is… but it is a coming soon.

So some say.

345 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:33:50pm

re: #343 albusteve

where? who was insulted?

i was. Mandy threw a comma at me.

346 avanti  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:33:51pm

For old car lovers, the national news covered “Elgin Park Pa.” this evening:

link.

347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:34:00pm

re: #339 Gus 802

Ah well. It was nice while it lasted. We’ve fast descended into blanket insults.

“That is an ugly blanket!”

348 BaseballMom57  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:34:42pm

re: #215 albusteve

How’s the grandson, Albusteve?

349 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:34:43pm

re: #345 Aceofwhat?

i was. Mandy threw a comma at me.

a comarang may come back to smack you…careful with those things

350 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:35:11pm

re: #349 albusteve

a comarang may come back to smack you…careful with those things

i will protect my colon, fear not…

351 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:35:39pm

re: #345 Aceofwhat?

i was. Mandy threw a comma at me.

Dang lucky I didn’t shove a hyphen into your lower spine.

352 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:36:11pm

re: #351 MandyManners

Dang lucky I didn’t shove a hyphen into your lower spine.

oh, kiss my asterisk…

353 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:36:46pm

Charles may enjoy this, if he comes back and sees it: I’m reading Terry Teachout’s Pops: A Life of Louis Armstrong. In one early scene, the Delta bumpkin Armstrong has landed a spot with the suave NYC Fletcher Henderson band. They rehearse, and Henderson tells what happened:

One passage began triple fortissimo, and then it suddenly softened down on the next passage to double pianissimo. The score was properly marked “pp” to indicate the pianissimo, but when everybody else softened down, there was Louis, still blowing as hard as he could. I stopped the band, and told him—pretty sharply, I guess—that in this band we read the marks as well as the notes. I asked him if he could read the marks and he said he could. But then I asked him: “What about ‘pp’? and he answered, “Why, it means pound plenty!”

354 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:37:04pm

re: #351 MandyManners

Dang lucky I didn’t shove a hyphen into your lower spine.

That could cause a nasty inflection.

355 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:37:15pm

re: #345 Aceofwhat?

i was. Mandy threw a comma at me.

I thought she was belatedly punctuating herself.

356 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:37:16pm

re: #344 MandyManners

So some say.

don’t worry the fact that taxes = layoffs is not going to be a point of educated discussion much longer. I guess we are going to have to learn the hard way.

357 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:38:05pm

re: #348 BaseballMom57

How’s the grandson, Albusteve?

he’s a healthy bundle of chores for his mom…they love it…handsome kid too

358 ~Fianna  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:38:42pm

re: #356 brookly red

don’t worry the fact that taxes = layoffs is not going to be a point of educated discussion much longer. I guess we are going to have to learn the hard way.

Except for the fact that it’s not a tax. It’s the end of a government subsidy.

359 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:38:52pm

re: #350 Aceofwhat?

i will protect my colon, fear not…

they can be dangerous, period

360 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:39:03pm

re: #356 brookly red

don’t worry the fact that taxes = layoffs is not going to be a point of educated discussion much longer. I guess we are going to have to learn the hard way.

Where?

361 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:39:07pm

re: #355 The Sanity Inspector

I thought she was belatedly punctuating herself.

Don’t be so diacritical.

362 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:39:10pm

re: #358 ~Fianna

Shhhh….

363 BaseballMom57  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:39:23pm

re: #263 pingjockey

I think I’ve seen him use both, ping. Depends on what he’s hunting.

364 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:39:43pm

re: #355 The Sanity Inspector

I thought she was belatedly punctuating herself.

Isn’t that, like, a sin in some religions?

365 The Shadow Do  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:40:00pm

File this story under I don’t believe it and I don’t give a rip.

“I was left naked, sleeping on the barren concrete,” said Baheer. His toilet was a bucket. Loudspeakers blared. Guards concealed their identity with masks and carried torches.

Baheer said his American interrogators would tie him to a chair and sit on his stomach. They hung him naked, he said, for hours on end.

366 MandyManners  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:40:03pm

I’m taking a great risk by going to bed long before The Kid’s bedtime.

367 ~Fianna  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:40:07pm

re: #362 freetoken

Shhh…

I find this argument amusing. It’s up there with the bagger “Get the government out of my Medicare” argument.

368 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:40:34pm

re: #356 brookly red

don’t worry the fact that taxes = layoffs is not going to be a point of educated discussion much longer. I guess we are going to have to learn the hard way.

Not to worry. Increasing the demand for an artificially under-priced good or service, and having the government (eventually) make good on the difference? We got that all ironed out during Cash For Clunkers.

369 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:41:21pm

re: #341 windsagio

/driveby

because she loves torture?

//driveby

No, that’s not it. I’ve been known to dispute the meaning of that word.

370 freetoken  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:41:50pm

re: #367 ~Fianna

Well, I tried that approach on the morning crowd but they objected to anyone raining on their Obama-is-a-socialist parade. You can see if the evening crowd is any more receptive.

371 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:42:00pm

re: #366 MandyManners

I’m taking a great risk by going to bed long before The Kid’s bedtime.

Under the weather?

372 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:43:06pm

re: #364 freetoken

Isn’t that, like, a sin in some religions?

Or not.

373 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:43:42pm

re: #368 The Sanity Inspector

Not to worry. Increasing the demand for an artificially under-priced good or service, and having the government (eventually) make good on the difference? We got that all ironed out during Cash For Clunkers.

C/C was a profound step in the wrong direction for me…I highly dispute the ethic involved….people joke about it and blow it off…I don’t

374 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:43:42pm

re: #366 MandyManners

I’m taking a great risk by going to bed long before The Kid’s bedtime.

Yes, as a single parent, yes you are.

375 ~Fianna  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:43:46pm

re: #370 freetoken

Well, I tried that approach on the morning crowd but they objected to anyone raining on their Obama-is-a-socialist parade. You can see if the evening crowd is any more receptive.

It’s probably not going to be. I’ve got my asbestos underwear on, though, and I’ve got masochistic tendencies anyway.

376 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:44:29pm

re: #360 MandyManners

Where?

look when every company large & small does their first quarter book & realizes that like AT&T they just got charged a whole lot of money their first reaction will be to try and up their rates… and then reality hits. Nobody has a job & can pay their rates…

377 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:46:13pm

re: #370 freetoken

Well, I tried that approach on the morning crowd but they objected to anyone raining on their Obama-is-a-socialist parade. You can see if the evening crowd is any more receptive.

(throws rock & screams obscenity…)

378 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:46:47pm

re: #375 ~Fianna

It’s probably not going to be. I’ve got my asbestos underwear on, though, and I’ve got masochistic tendencies anyway.

i’m all ears. give me your spin-

379 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:47:07pm

re: #377 brookly red

(throws rock & screams obscenity…)

LOUD NOISES

380 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:47:17pm

re: #370 freetoken

Well, I tried that approach on the morning crowd but they objected to anyone raining on their Obama-is-a-socialist parade. You can see if the evening crowd is any more receptive.

you are a cash for clunkers sort of guy…you feel that is a reasonable approach to get newer cars on the road, and you are not alone…one step at a time comrade…you can explain it all away

381 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:48:08pm

We’re going to miss the good humor and lightheartedness of the HCR debate when they take up Card Check and Immigration.

382 brookly red  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:48:54pm

long hot summer…

383 ~Fianna  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:50:01pm

re: #378 Aceofwhat?

i’m all ears. give me your spin-

On the ATT thing?

It’s a change in the tax law. Companies that used to get a federal write-off for prescription drug coverage for retirees don’t get that write-off anymore.

It’s not a new tax. It’s not a bill. It’s the end of a writeoff that subsidized a private company offering a private benefit.

Frankly, it’s really only going to impact very large companies… Not many small companies cover benefits in retirement. In fact, not many companies at all offer retirement benefits.

384 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:50:42pm

re: #382 brookly red

long hot summer…

Youtube Video
385 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:52:14pm

re: #381 Decatur Deb

We’re going to miss the good humor and lightheartedness of the HCR debate when they take up Card Check and Immigration.

Maybe the proponents of both can, this one time, be at least persuaded that their position is not the self-evidently right thing to do. That they should make more of an effort to convince us groundlings.

386 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:52:53pm

re: #383 ~Fianna

On the ATT thing?

It’s a change in the tax law. Companies that used to get a federal write-off for prescription drug coverage for retirees don’t get that write-off anymore.

It’s not a new tax. It’s not a bill. It’s the end of a writeoff that subsidized a private company offering a private benefit.

Frankly, it’s really only going to impact very large companies… Not many small companies cover benefits in retirement. In fact, not many companies at all offer retirement benefits.

i agree. it will lead some of them to consider ending the benefit. it’s not apocalyptic in the least, but neither is it bad faith on their part, no matter what Waxman sputters.

i’m frankly more concerned that such an obvious side effect is so incomprehensible to the Waxmans of the world than i am about the side effect itself.

Ah, government. “If you think our problems are bad, wait until you see our solutions…”

387 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:54:31pm

re: #383 ~Fianna

In fact, not many companies at all offer retirement benefits.

..and most of those were probably figuring out how they would phase them out long before the vote last weekend.

So when do I, as a private pay insurer, get to deduct my premiums from my taxes?/

388 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:54:36pm

re: #384 albusteve

[Video]

Long hot summer:

Youtube Video
389 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:55:30pm

re: #387 Naso Tang

..and most of those were probably figuring out how they would phase them out long before the vote last weekend.

So when do I, as a private pay insurer, get to deduct my premiums from my taxes?/

shhh - you’re destroying the meme about conservatives not having any good ideas on the topic…

390 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:56:09pm

re: #385 The Sanity Inspector

Maybe the proponents of both can, this one time, be at least persuaded that their position is not the self-evidently right thing to do. That they should make more of an effort to convince us groundlings.

The congresses of the LBJ era would have done a bit of political theatre and come up with some kind of workable compromise while no one was looking. Now, ….

391 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 6:57:30pm

re: #386 Aceofwhat?

i agree. it will lead some of them to consider ending the benefit. it’s not apocalyptic in the least, but neither is it bad faith on their part, no matter what Waxman sputters.

i’m frankly more concerned that such an obvious side effect is so incomprehensible to the Waxmans of the world than i am about the side effect itself.

Ah, government. “If you think our problems are bad, wait until you see our solutions…”

there will always be enough people to worship at the alter of govt…it’s their lifeblood and their supreme social construct…bow before me

392 albusteve  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:00:02pm

re: #389 Aceofwhat?

shhh - you’re destroying the meme about conservatives not having any good ideas on the topic…

the new dope…mainline a GOP Obstruction hit and sit back while the euphoria that it isn’t your responsibility warms your soul

393 ~Fianna  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:00:38pm

re: #386 Aceofwhat?

i agree. it will lead some of them to consider ending the benefit. it’s not apocalyptic in the least, but neither is it bad faith on their part, no matter what Waxman sputters.

i’m frankly more concerned that such an obvious side effect is so incomprehensible to the Waxmans of the world than i am about the side effect itself.

Ah, government. “If you think our problems are bad, wait until you see our solutions…”

This is the reason that a lot of large companies opposed HCR. It’s a huge benefit (no pun intended) that they can afford to pay for benefits for employees while a lot of little companies can not.

It’s really hard for people to leave jobs because good benefits are a big perk and that stifles entrepreneurship. I also am a principle in a small company and it hurts us. We lose talented people because they go to companies where benefits are part of the package. We just can’t compete and it sucks.

Not to mention that I’ve spent the vast majority of the last 7 years without health insurance. (I’ve had two surgeries in the past 5 years, which puts me in a risk pool. Even catastrophic coverage is stratospheric in cost).

Also, I ponder why we’re (and by we I mean the people with whom I own a company) are responsible for making sure that someone has health insurance? Why the heck is that somehow a corporate responsibility. I’m all for being a good corporate citizen and all, but even if we COULD afford to pay for benefits, there’re a lot of other things we could be doing with that money, like hiring additional people, marketing, buying some new frakking computers so that people stop calling their poor tired network admin.

The amount of money that the government spends subsidizing people’s health care in one way or another is crazy. If it’s not direct (Medicare, Medicaid, VA benefits, indigent care, etc.) it’s indirect through tax writeoffs either on a corporate or a personal level (and yes, you can take medical off your taxes… if it’s over 10% AGI.)

394 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:00:59pm

re: #392 albusteve

the new dope…mainline a GOP Obstruction hit and sit back while the euphoria that it isn’t your responsibility warms your soul

bad trip! bad trip!

395 ~Fianna  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:05:11pm

re: #387 Naso Tang

..and most of those were probably figuring out how they would phase them out long before the vote last weekend.

So when do I, as a private pay insurer, get to deduct my premiums from my taxes?/

I actually don’t even know if premiums count as part of those 10% of AGI medical expenses.

396 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:05:32pm

re: #393 ~Fianna

excellent points, especially about how we’ve lulled ourselves into believing that the company should by default be the insurance provider.

I firmly believe that we’d spend far less on health care if we had focused on expanding HSA’s, catastrophic insurance coverage, and portability. Give people the means and the motivation to be more concerned about their health care spending and they’ll do a better job reining in their costs.

397 ~Fianna  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:08:32pm

re: #396 Aceofwhat?

excellent points, especially about how we’ve lulled ourselves into believing that the company should by default be the insurance provider.

I firmly believe that we’d spend far less on health care if we had focused on expanding HSA’s, catastrophic insurance coverage, and portability. Give people the means and the motivation to be more concerned about their health care spending and they’ll do a better job reining in their costs.

I tend to agree. Part of the problem is that there isn’t any incentive for the consumer to have any understanding of how much and what money is spent on in health transactions.

Take, for example, what hospitals charge (and insurers pay) for basic crap. Fine, hospitals are expensive, that’s why the room is 500 bucks a day… but I was billed IIRC 40 bucks a back for a saline drip. FORTY DOLLARS. FOR SALT WATER.

398 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:08:43pm

oh God, Rubio is up by 11 points. excuse me while i bang my head against my coffee table…

399 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:11:19pm

re: #397 ~Fianna

I tend to agree. Part of the problem is that there isn’t any incentive for the consumer to have any understanding of how much and what money is spent on in health transactions.

Take, for example, what hospitals charge (and insurers pay) for basic crap. Fine, hospitals are expensive, that’s why the room is 500 bucks a day… but I was billed IIRC 40 bucks a back for a saline drip. FORTY DOLLARS. FOR SALT WATER.

Exactly. I guarantee you that if i were allowed to take just a percentage of what my company and i spend together on my insurance and book it in an HSA that (a) rolled over from year to year without loss and (b) was tax deductible, i’d spend a helluva lot less because it would be MY MONEY.

as it is, i occasionally find myself irrationally feeling like i ought to opt for extra shit just because my insurance company ought to pay for something this year…

400 ~Fianna  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:13:41pm

re: #399 Aceofwhat?

Exactly. I guarantee you that if i were allowed to take just a percentage of what my company and i spend together on my insurance and book it in an HSA that (a) rolled over from year to year without loss and (b) was tax deductible, i’d spend a helluva lot less because it would be MY MONEY.

as it is, i occasionally find myself irrationally feeling like i ought to opt for extra shit just because my insurance company ought to pay for something this year…

I’m sure a lot of people do that.

It would also cut down on the amount of unnecessary testing that we do and probably make everyone an informed consumer. Do I need this test? Why? What for? What are the risks of having it? Of not having it?

401 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:14:44pm

re: #397 ~Fianna

see? no teflon skivvies required for a reasonable discussion on the topic!

some of us are conservatives because our towering intellect rules out the other options/


(humble and funny…that’s me…)

402 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:16:59pm

re: #400 ~Fianna

I’m sure a lot of people do that.

It would also cut down on the amount of unnecessary testing that we do and probably make everyone an informed consumer. Do I need this test? Why? What for? What are the risks of having it? Of not having it?

Right. We need portable catastrophic coverage so that we don’t have to debate whether to have chemo, God forbid. We need tax-deductible HSA’s so that we have an incentive to debate whether we should get an X-ray and an MRI on our big toe…

403 Cato the Elder  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:21:02pm

This song could be revised, you know, from a political standpoint and titled “Poor Edwards”.

But that would spoil the artistry.

404 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:21:09pm

re: #397 ~Fianna

I tend to agree. Part of the problem is that there isn’t any incentive for the consumer to have any understanding of how much and what money is spent on in health transactions.

Take, for example, what hospitals charge (and insurers pay) for basic crap. Fine, hospitals are expensive, that’s why the room is 500 bucks a day… but I was billed IIRC 40 bucks a back for a saline drip. FORTY DOLLARS. FOR SALT WATER.

Well, to be fair, it is salt water, guaranteed to be sterile, with any number of special conditions on it, not to mention market volume issues, transportation, shelf life, and the staff to monitor and store and administer it. You didn’t pay for the salt water, just everything that goes with it.

What is of more interest to me is why someone who walks in with cash (or no cash) will likely be billed twice what an insurance company is billed.

405 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:23:08pm

re: #402 Aceofwhat?

What is the utility of having it only be catastrophic coverage?

We need tax-deductible HSA’s so that we have an incentive to debate whether we should get an X-ray and an MRI on our big toe…

That makes very little sense unless you’re outlawing non-catastrophic insurance plans.

But even if someone had a non-catastrophic plan, there is very little evidence to show that the right people would refrain from getting the tests— as in, people who aren’t really at risk.

Do you have any data to show otherwise, that there is utility in revealing those (highly arbitrary) costs?

406 ~Fianna  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:24:04pm

re: #404 Naso Tang

Well, to be fair, it is salt water, guaranteed to be sterile, with any number of special conditions on it, not to mention market volume issues, transportation, shelf life, and the staff to monitor and store and administer it. You didn’t pay for the salt water, just everything that goes with it.

What is of more interest to me is why someone who walks in with cash (or no cash) will likely be billed twice what an insurance company is billed.

Nope. That was the individual charge for the bags of saline.

I also paid for the room, 3 disposable needles, rubber gloves (3 bucks a pair!), an ER fee…

Hospital bills are insane if you actually read them.

407 ~Fianna  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:24:56pm

bbl all… and thanks for the civil discussion.

408 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:27:25pm

re: #405 Obdicut

What is the utility of having it only be catastrophic coverage?

That makes very little sense unless you’re outlawing non-catastrophic insurance plans.

But even if someone had a non-catastrophic plan, there is very little evidence to show that the right people would refrain from getting the tests— as in, people who aren’t really at risk.

Do you have any data to show otherwise, that there is utility in revealing those (highly arbitrary) costs?

A great percentage of basic health care is spent on what one could accurately quantify as ‘commodities’. Shots, visits, x-rays…these are consumables. I take it as self-evident that we know how to shop for consumables.

We are better off having more ownership over what we each spend on our care. I continue to await a cogent philosophy explaining why it would be better if we had less ownership over what we spend on our health care.

409 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:30:24pm

re: #408 Aceofwhat?

A great percentage of basic health care is spent on what one could accurately quantify as ‘commodities’. Shots, visits, x-rays…these are consumables. I take it as self-evident that we know how to shop for consumables.

Well, you’re doubly wrong. Those things are not consumables, by any sane metric, and we don’t really know how to shop for consumables. Most shoppers do not make decisions based on very rational criteria.

We are better off having more ownership over what we each spend on our care. I continue to await a cogent philosophy explaining why it would be better if we had less ownership over what we spend on our health care.

So you don’t actually have any data to support your theoretical supposition?

The concept of ‘ownership’ is a nebulous thing. To me, there are the people who will get the x-ray if their doctor recommends it, and those who won’t. If the x-ray is very expensive, some people may decide not to even if their doctor recommends it. Some people will want the x-ray even if their doctor doesn’t recommend it.

If you make the cost more of a worry for the person buying the health care, you are asking them to make a judgement about the worth of that care versus the price— that is not a qualification they have the knowledge to make. Doctor’s do— that’s why we rely on them.

Deciding whether or not to get medical services and procedures is not like shopping for a cell phone. We will get nowhere if we pretend that it is.

410 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:39:52pm

re: #409 Obdicut

If you make the cost more of a worry for the person buying the health care, you are asking them to make a judgement about the worth of that care versus the price— that is not a qualification they have the knowledge to make. Doctor’s do— that’s why we rely on them.

Doctors most certainly do not balance the worth of the care versus the price. Not even close.

Deciding whether or not to get medical services and procedures is not like shopping for a cell phone. We will get nowhere if we pretend that it is.

Then this is where we will have to disagree. Not all medical procedures are like shopping for a cell phone. Some are more expensive and complicated, and some far less so.

Basically, you wish to deny me the freedom to pay less for my health care because you don’t believe that I can figure out what i ought to do after a discussion with my doctor, unless i’ve grossly misunderstood you.

411 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:42:42pm

re: #406 ~Fianna

Nope. That was the individual charge for the bags of saline.

I also paid for the room, 3 disposable needles, rubber gloves (3 bucks a pair!), an ER fee…

Hospital bills are insane if you actually read them.

You don’t get my point. All those things are allocated a share of the cost. The allocation may be arbitrary, but you can be sure that the cost of the room would go up by $30 if the saline bag was priced at $10 instead of $40.

I can buy a little bag of 4 stainless screws, nicely hung in a special rack at Home Depot for, say, $2. But I’ll bet you I could buy a 5 gallon bucket of the same screws for $0.01 each if I went to the factory.

I’m paying for the convenience and all the overhead that goes with it when I pay $0.50 per piece.

I repeat, It is the different pricing for different payees even though they all incur the same overhead, that bothers me.

412 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:46:57pm

re: #411 Naso Tang

You don’t get my point. All those things are allocated a share of the cost. The allocation may be arbitrary, but you can be sure that the cost of the room would go up by $30 if the saline bag was priced at $10 instead of $40.

I can buy a little bag of 4 stainless screws, nicely hung in a special rack at Home Depot for, say, $2. But I’ll bet you I could buy a 5 gallon bucket of the same screws for $0.01 each if I went to the factory.

I’m paying for the convenience and all the overhead that goes with it when I pay $0.50 per piece.

I repeat, It is the different pricing for different payees even though they all incur the same overhead, that bothers me.

Cost transparency would be huge. But the less we pay out of pocket, the less we care…and if we don’t care, we won’t insist on transparency.

413 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:48:15pm

re: #410 Aceofwhat?


Basically, you wish to deny me the freedom to pay less for my health care because you don’t believe that I can figure out what i ought to do after a discussion with my doctor, unless i’ve grossly misunderstood you.

I wouldn’t deny you that freedom, but I seriously doubt that you would be capable of making that decision on economic grounds unless you are your own doctor, or have the luxury of time to shop for the best deals on urgent open heart surgery, or tell the ambulance which hospital to go to (after you had selected the ambulance service of your choice).

You are not talking of getting new bifocals or laser eye surgery are you?

414 Aceofwhat?  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:58:45pm

re: #413 Naso Tang

I wouldn’t deny you that freedom, but I seriously doubt that you would be capable of making that decision on economic grounds unless you are your own doctor, or have the luxury of time to shop for the best deals on urgent open heart surgery, or tell the ambulance which hospital to go to (after you had selected the ambulance service of your choice).

You are not talking of getting new bifocals or laser eye surgery are you?

i addressed this earlier. whether i should get chemo or an angioplasty (God forbid) should not be an economic decision, so we should all at least have big-ticket insurance.

i am capable of making a decision about whether i should go back to the doctor for an MRI for my back if he said that he didn’t really think it was necessary. many people will opt for the test anyway because they don’t pay much for it, so why not?

415 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:59:18pm

re: #412 Aceofwhat?

Cost transparency would be huge. But the less we pay out of pocket, the less we care…and if we don’t care, we won’t insist on transparency.

Transparency is cool but I don’t have the time or skills to analyse every aspect of medical care when I might find I need it, which is when I have other things on my mind. I would prefer to pay someone else a small percentage of my money to ensure that I wasn’t being screwed. I suppose you could call that an aspect of Health Care Reform.

As to those who don’t care; there are plenty of those around and they are the ones who have nothing to lose to begin with and they can get all the care they want for free yesterday, and last year; but many of them could have contribute part of the paycheck they blew every weekend towards their ER visits, had they been required to do so, instead of relying on you or me to subsidize them.

416 Obdicut  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 7:59:34pm

re: #410 Aceofwhat?

Then this is where we will have to disagree. Not all medical procedures are like shopping for a cell phone. Some are more expensive and complicated, and some far less so.

Expense and complexity do not in the least go together. Moreover, you’re still wrong; evaluating even relatively simple therapies is still something that’s complex. It’s not what you know, it’s what you don’t know.

417 Achilles Tang  Sun, Mar 28, 2010 8:04:32pm

re: #414 Aceofwhat?


i am capable of making a decision about whether i should go back to the doctor for an MRI for my back if he said that he didn’t really think it was necessary. many people will opt for the test anyway because they don’t pay much for it, so why not?

You are talking of a specific aspect of health care, namely testing to the wazzoo for CYA reasons.

What we need is “death panels” to decide if a CYA test is really necessary or not. After all if you can make that decision as a non medical professional, then it can’t be really necessary, can it?/


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