Michigan Militia Indictments

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Details are emerging today about the weekend’s FBI/DHS raids on a Christian militia group in Michigan’s Lenawee County. The group, “Hutaree,” was allegedly planning to murder a member of local law enforcement, then attack the resulting funeral procession with improvised explosive devices — earning them federal indictments for seditious conspiracy and attempted use of weapons of mass destruction.

The group’s ideology is a mix of standard anti-government paranoia and End Times theocratic craziness; in one of the videos posted at their YouTube channel, men in paramilitary uniforms burn a United Nations flag, then replace it with the “Colonial Christian Republic” flag.

Detroit station WXYZ has a video report, including an interview with the ex-wife of the alleged militia cult leader, David Brian Stone: UPDATE: Members of Milita Group Indicted.

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1 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:49:58am

Fucking losers.

2 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:50:35am

Serious charges... very serious.

3 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:50:50am

May they be locked away in SuperMax for the rest of their lives.

4 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:53:06am

When the Ex starts to cry, the girl defending this guy (daughter?) is smiling. I will self delete the rest of this post.

5 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:53:21am

I hope the FBI develops a bunch of leads from this and rolls up as many idiots like this as they can.

6 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:53:59am

re: #5 pingjockey

I hope the FBI develops a bunch of leads from this and rolls up as many idiots like this as they can.

3 words: Cell phone records.

7 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:54:32am

Does the word "Hutaree" mean anything, or is it just a hunting cry? Or perhaps a hog call?

8 garhighway  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:55:23am

re: #7 Cato the Elder

Does the word "Hutaree" mean anything, or is it just a hunting cry? Or perhaps a hog call?

It means the person you do Hutar to. There's the Hutaror and the Hutaree.

9 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:55:27am

I can,t remember the last time anyone was charged with seditious conspiracy... anyone?

10 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:56:40am

re: #7 Cato the Elder

Does the word "Hutaree" mean anything, or is it just a hunting cry? Or perhaps a hog call?

I think it's an old sanskrit word for "Paranoid and Delusional Nutjobs".

11 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:57:35am

"Military training"

As they stay clustered in a group where 1 grenade could take out 3 or 4 of them at any time.

12 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:57:51am

re: #7 Cato the Elder
These nuts have a made up language.

13 Mark Pennington  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:58:57am

Thank you US government, for protecting me from groups like this.

14 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:59:43am

re: #12 pingjockey

These nuts have a made up language.

Let me guess: "Klingon" was taken, so they call it "Dingleberry".

15 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 10:59:50am

re: #7 Cato the Elder

Does the word "Hutaree" mean anything, or is it just a hunting cry? Or perhaps a hog call?

Christian soldier. According to their website. Origins, I can't find.

16 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:00:38am

re: #14 Cato the Elder
Heh. Hutaree= asshat

17 avanti  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:01:56am

re: #13 beekiller

Thank you US government, for protecting me from groups like this.

I recall the outrage about mentioning far right wing extremists as a threat. Now, the spin will be that the government will come after your guns and fishing equipement.

18 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:02:12am

re: #9 brookly red

I can,t remember the last time anyone was charged with seditious conspiracy... anyone?

Not sure but 3 of the underlying charges are wrapped up in the sedition charge. The feds better have that initial sedition charge wrapped up nicely.

19 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:02:18am

Please forget you knew my name, may darlin'...Hutaree.
Shake it, shake it, Hutaree
Just don't tell the feds you know me...
Shake it, shake it, Hutaree

Nah...can't do that to Jerry.

Youtube Video
20 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:02:28am

re: #12 pingjockey

These nuts have a made up language.

Which is not unusual. Group speak is important to group solidarity and for recognizing each other, and it bestows a uniqueness to thier existence.

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are a prime example of exclusivity groups who have created new terms for standard Christian labels in order to separate themselves from the rest of Christendom.

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:02:42am

re: #17 avanti

I recall the outrage about mentioning far right wing extremists as a threat. Now, the spin will be that the government will come after your guns and fishing equipement.

I'm sure there's still some reason the DHS report was just unbelievably mean and biased.

22 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:02:46am

FNC says these idiots have already been arraigned. The Feds aren't fooling around. Yay.

23 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:04:02am

Now the secondary question arises whether or not they and their supporters attempt to make the trial into some sort of circus.

24 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:04:05am

I wonder what Beck is gonna say about this tonight?

25 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:04:26am

re: #20 Walter L. Newton
Really? I know I speak about 5 languages, electronics, quality control, navy, fire suppression systems, orchard, and logging. Hehe.

26 Mark Pennington  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:04:31am

re: #17 avanti

I recall the outrage about mentioning far right wing extremists as a threat. Now, the spin will be that the government will come after your guns and fishing equipement.

My wife is one these scumbags would like to kill. Fuck these anti-government people.

27 Pip's Squeak  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:04:31am

re: #10 MrSilverDragon

I think it's an old sanskrit word for "Paranoid and Delusional Nutjobs".

That must make the locative singular of hotr, he who makes the burnt offering.

28 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:04:36am

Before the "Who makes a better Religion of Peace" discussion spreads here I'd like to share some statistics from erols.com:

Selected Death Tolls for Wars, Massacres and Atrocities ...

In short casting stones or generalizing about an entire class of religions based on what some of their adherants (or those who claim to be adherants) do is missing the mark.

As for me: before passing judgement I'd like to see how many of their modern counterparts take ownership of their actions vs. how many disown their actions. That alone will tell me who to avoid in crowded places.

29 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:04:45am

re: #24 Irenicum

I wonder what Beck is gonna say about this tonight?

Well, as soon as he can get out of the arraignment and rush back to his studio...

30 Lidane  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:04:53am

re: #14 Cato the Elder

Let me guess: "Klingon" was taken, so they call it "Dingleberry".

Klingon is a perfectly useful language. It's guaranteed to loosen any phlegm in your lungs when you try and speak it. It also acts as a guaranteed form of birth control, since speaking fluent Klingon pretty much ensures you'll never get laid. ;)

31 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:05:07am

re: #29 Walter L. Newton

LOL!

32 avanti  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:05:55am

Say want you want about tea parties comments about a revolution, I don't see them starting one with a bomb attack on a cops funeral as a motivator to join these idiots .

33 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:06:16am

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

Which is not unusual. Group speak is important to group solidarity and for recognizing each other, and it bestows a uniqueness to thier existence.

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are a prime example of exclusivity groups who have created new terms for standard Christian labels in order to separate themselves from the rest of Christendom.

Don't forget Co$ members!

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:06:59am

re: #30 Lidane

Klingon is a perfectly useful language. It's guaranteed to loosen any phlegm in your lungs when you try and speak it. It also acts as a guaranteed form of birth control, since speaking fluent Klingon pretty much ensures you'll never get laid. ;)

Unless you are female. In which case rather the opposite.

35 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:07:11am

re: #25 pingjockey

Really? I know I speak about 5 languages, electronics, quality control, navy, fire suppression systems, orchard, and logging. Hehe.

For instance... Jehovah's Witnesses... kingdom hall = church, memorial = communion, active force = holy spirit and so on.

36 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:07:13am

re: #23 oaktree

Now the secondary question arises whether or not they and their supporters attempt to make the trial into some sort of circus.

Trial? Since when do we give religious terrorists trials in the US? Lets ship em off to Gitmo for a military tribunal!

(Sarcasm but trying to make a serious point)

37 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:07:23am

re: #32 avanti

I've already seen 'false' flag' comments piling up on various news site feeds I get. The denial is ramping up full on.

38 brookly red  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:07:30am

re: #23 oaktree

Now the secondary question arises whether or not they and their supporters attempt to make the trial into some sort of circus.

I am sure someone will...

39 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:08:03am

re: #17 avanti

I recall the outrage about mentioning far right wing extremists as a threat. Now, the spin will be that the government will come after your guns and fishing equipement.

Some spin I've been reading at wingy sites is 'false flag' 'government going after people for thought crimes, eg even thinking about opposing gov is now illegal' and my favourite, 'muslim controlled government has made the first salvo in going after Christians".

40 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:08:04am

Sorry for the repost,

It is going to be a little while until I post again bc of the holidays.

I want to check in and wish everyone here the best.

I also want to briefly talk about the significance of terror attacks on the eve of Pesach. There was, as I am sure everyone here knows, a double suicide bombing in Russia that killed or wounded hundreds of innocent people.
I am sure that everyone is aware of the militia cell in Michigan, who for notions of Christian apocalypse, were planning on murdering police officers and then attacking their funerals - in order to kill more police - and start a war on the US itself.

Pesach is about freedom. It is about freedom in every simple and every deep sense of the word.

Freedom does not mean "do whatever you want." Freedom is the freedom to choose to do what is right and to know that there does exist a moral compass that we all must obey. Freedom means being able to resist the depredations of those who would lie to you or coerce you away from doing what is right.

The four sons, a parable discussed at seder, are very much a parable for four stages of moral development.

The lowest level of morality is to reject it morality outright and claim that freedom only means to do whatever one wants, with no regard for others.

This is the evil son. He asks, "What does this mean to you?" In other words, the responsibility that comes with freedom and the consequences of one's actions are denied by him. We tell him what it means to us. We sharply tell him that is evil and would not be worthy of redemption.

This is the level of the terrorist. To completely reject the point of having freedom in the first place. All others are not people at all to be cared for, but objects to be defined as less than human if they do not blindly follow the immorality of the terrorist code. This is not unique to Islamists. Neo-Nazis and Christofascists are the same way.

Part of freedom is knowing that you must always cherish it and fight to preserve it. The struggle to do so is internal as well as external. It is all too easy to get comfortable with giving up a little freedom, with claiming that the way things are is just the way things are, and that one has no responsibility to act. This was the slave mentality of Mitzriam (Egypt). The word Mitzraim needs one more comment. It literally means the narrow place. It is a spiritual, intellectual and moral state of denial and seeking ignorance so as to avoid facing the world and oneself.

The wise son asks that the rules and the meanings of the seder are better explained so that he may better serve, and fulfill his duty. We tell him the rules of dessert. The message is that one must use one's freedom to make the most of all opportunities to do what is right - right now. The seder, like life, has an end. Your chance to act is in the here and now.

There are thousands of groups out there who would take your freedom. There are millions of people who falsely think that freedom is only something abstracted on the level of the wicked son, that it comes with no price tag and no responsibility. There are millions more, who see the price of freedom and would rather have a little slavery. Then there are the Islamists and the Militias. They remind us what the cost of slavery is.

41 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:08:26am

re: #30 Lidane

Klingon is a perfectly useful language. It's guaranteed to loosen any phlegm in your lungs when you try and speak it. It also acts as a guaranteed form of birth control, since speaking fluent Klingon pretty much ensures you'll never get laid. ;)

Klingon Speakers Now Outnumber Navajo Speakers

NEW YORK—According to a report released Monday by the Modern Language Association, speakers of the Star Trek-based Klingon language outnumber individuals fluent in Navajo by a margin of more than seven-to-one.

42 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:08:59am

re: #35 Walter L. Newton
Thank you.

43 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:09:02am

Coule this be just the tip of the iceberg?

I grow seriously worried that if there is a serious catastrophe in America (a large-scale terrorist attack or a major natural catastrophe) that groups like htis will be crawling outta the woodwork, lynching people from lightposts and firing from the backs of their pickup trucks like the Somali militias in "Blackhawk Down".

44 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:09:03am

re: #37 Irenicum

I've already seen 'false' flag' comments piling up on various news site feeds I get. The denial is ramping up full on.

/Yes, they were really atheists pretending to be devout Christians!

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:09:14am

re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That actually makes me want to cry.

46 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:09:40am

re: #23 oaktree

Now the secondary question arises whether or not they and their supporters attempt to make the trial into some sort of circus.

I was gonna question if this was even going to trial (plea deal), but it will so they can spout anti-gubment bullshit.

47 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:10:14am

re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

At first, I could've believed that link about Klingon and Navajo... curse you Onion, you've fooled me yet again.

48 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:10:14am

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

That actually makes me want to cry.

If it makes you feel better, its from the Onion.

49 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:10:18am

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

Which is not unusual. Group speak is important to group solidarity and for recognizing each other, and it bestows a uniqueness to thier existence.

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are a prime example of exclusivity groups who have created new terms for standard Christian labels in order to separate themselves from the rest of Christendom.


In some cases the labels were even attempts to take ownership of a derogatory term and use it as a positive label. The word Mormons is one of those.

Other made up terms are just plain funny. The Mormon use of the word "fetch" as a swear word substitute is one of my personal favorites. (Personally I think the frame of mind that causes one to curse is probably as "sinful" as the actual curse word itself, so substitute swear words never made much sense to me.)

50 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:10:50am

re: #43 ralphieboy
I would hope the rest of us would stand up to this anarchy.

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:11:00am

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If it makes you feel better, its from the Onion.

Thank God.

52 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:11:01am

re: #27 Pip's Squeak

That must make the locative singular of hotr, he who makes the burnt offering.


So we're back to the beer butt chicken discussion again? I just can't keep up. /

53 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:11:12am

As Killgore pointed out yesterday, Shrieks Geller has already gone on record defending these Jew-haters† and screaming about how the Feds aren't doing their job of protecting us from jihad.

†The Hutarees have an "Evil Jew Forum" on their site: "Talk about being an evil Jew and how we are taking over the world in our own private forum where no one else can see. Shalomi or something." (Sorry, only registered users may read this forum.)

You've really outdone yourself this time, Pamz. I wonder if even Robert can get behind you on this one.

54 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:11:35am

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

Have a blessed Pesach LVQ.

55 shiplord kirel  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:12:06am

48 hour rule.

This gang looks like a gourmet nut casserole to be sure, but high-profile law enforcement raids on religious kooks have a bad history. Besides Waco we have the more recent raid on that polygamous cult ranch near Eldorado Texas. This involved hundreds of leos, as well as helicopters and even tracked armor for crying out loud. Several hundred children were hauled away and sent to foster care. Eventually, the raid turned out to have been instigated by a serial crank, almost all the charges were proven to be without merit, the children were returned, and the state faces millions in compensation claims.
Interestingly, some of the same CPS workers who instigated the Waco raid were on hand at Eldorado too.

56 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:12:29am

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

I come from a generation to whom freedom seemed to mean a complete absence of any responsibility for anything. We had to learn the hard way that freedom means taking responsibility for everything you do of your own free will, as a free person has no excuses or compulsions to flee into.

57 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:12:29am

And of course, I'm already seeing the comments from conservatives all over Twitter gleefully pouncing on the story of the guy who threatened Eric Cantor, because he was an Obama donor.

They're going to try to put a political spin on it, of course, after all the recent stories of right wing threats and extremism.

58 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:13:11am

re: #53 Cato the Elder

As Killgore pointed out yesterday, Shrieks Geller has already gone on record defending these Jew-haters† and screaming about how the Feds aren't doing their job of protecting us from jihad.

†The Hutarees have an "Evil Jew Forum" on their site: "Talk about being an evil Jew and how we are taking over the world in our own private forum where no one else can see. Shalomi or something." (Sorry, only registered users may read this forum.)

You've really outdone yourself this time, Pamz. I wonder if even Robert can get behind you on this one.

Pamela Geller is the epitome of one trapped in Mitzraim. Her view is so narrow and constricted and her ability to do what is right so limited by fear and anger that she even unwittingly aids those who would destroy her own people.

59 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:13:42am

re: #36 jamesfirecat

Point taken, but I have no wish to go there since the previous thread already attempted that and has devolved into the standard pissing contest.

It might well just be a local circus. I'm not sure that many outside groups are going to step up and defend the men under indictment assuming that the current information on their organization is accurate.

How long the media keeps up with coverage might turn out to be very short, or simply stay low-key. Federal case, so I expect there is a chance that the proceedings are kept under tight security and the media information (film, etc.) might be limited.

And I guess the real key is who thinks they can score political points off this, and how they assess the risk from attempting to do so.

60 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:13:42am

re: #57 Charles

And of course, I'm already seeing the comments from conservatives all over Twitter gleefully pouncing on the story of the guy who threatened Eric Cantor, because he was an Obama donor.

They're going to try to put a political spin on it, of course, after all the recent stories of right wing threats and extremism.

It shouldn't be hard. Putting a political spin on that one, I mean.

Just sayin'.

61 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:13:51am

re: #57 Charles

And of course, I'm already seeing the comments from conservatives all over Twitter gleefully pouncing on the story of the guy who threatened Eric Cantor, because he was an Obama donor.

They're going to try to put a political spin on it, of course, after all the recent stories of right wing threats and extremism.

Wow Charles has just jacked his own thread... I wonder if that means the universe is about to explode or something...

62 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:13:57am

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If it makes you feel better, its from the Onion.

Thank goodness. I was fooled as well.

63 shiplord kirel  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:14:01am

Forgot the link, YFZ ranch raid, 2008

64 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:14:08am

re: #43 ralphieboy

Coule this be just the tip of the iceberg?

I grow seriously worried that if there is a serious catastrophe in America (a large-scale terrorist attack or a major natural catastrophe) that groups like htis will be crawling outta the woodwork, lynching people from lightposts and firing from the backs of their pickup trucks like the Somali militias in "Blackhawk Down".

Where as the militia movements in this country are certainly a threat in general, I assure you, their numbers are small enough, and there is sufficient surveillance going on, that any "move" on the part of any one of these groups, or even all of them, could be contained in a matter of days.

And most of these groups are mainly autonomous, there is not a lot of cooperation going on cross-group.

As I have mentioned in the past, I have some personal experience in the past with a number of these groups and members.

65 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:14:09am

re: #56 ralphieboy

I come from a generation to whom freedom seemed to mean a complete absence of any responsibility for anything. We had to learn the hard way that freedom means taking responsibility for everything you do of your own free will, as a free person has no excuses or compulsions to flee into.

That my dear friend is the entire lesson of the holiday! I wish you the very best!

66 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:14:10am

re: #57 Charles

And of course, I'm already seeing the comments from conservatives all over Twitter gleefully pouncing on the story of the guy who threatened Eric Cantor, because he was an Obama donor.

They're going to try to put a political spin on it, of course, after all the recent stories of right wing threats and extremism.

But, but, Cantor is on our side. That's what really matters!!
///

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:14:13am

re: #53 Cato the Elder


†The Hutarees have an "Evil Jew Forum" on their site: "Talk about being an evil Jew and how we are taking over the world in our own private forum where no one else can see. Shalomi or something." (Sorry, only registered users may read this forum.)
.

I'm sure that's just satire.

//

68 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:14:18am

re: #57 Charles
Gaaah!

69 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:14:36am

re: #54 Irenicum

Have a blessed Pesach LVQ.

Thank you so much.

70 MilkOfMalfeasance  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:15:16am

Looks like these Dirt Bags have friends...The Idaho Light Foot Militia

Bad Crazy.

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:15:57am

re: #57 Charles

And of course, I'm already seeing the comments from conservatives all over Twitter gleefully pouncing on the story of the guy who threatened Eric Cantor, because he was an Obama donor.

They're going to try to put a political spin on it, of course, after all the recent stories of right wing threats and extremism.

Pam Geller claims the dude is Muslim. Anyone else said that?

72 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:16:13am

re: #57 Charles

And of course, I'm already seeing the comments from conservatives all over Twitter gleefully pouncing on the story of the guy who threatened Eric Cantor, because he was an Obama donor.

They're going to try to put a political spin on it, of course, after all the recent stories of right wing threats and extremism.

Of course they are trying to claim that since a leftist stole a cookie, they are excused for stealing the whole cookie jar.

73 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:16:16am

re: #70 MilkOfMalfeasance

Looks like these Dirt Bags have friends...The Idaho Light Foot Militia

Bad Crazy.

And terrible web design.

74 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:16:20am

re: #69 LudwigVanQuixote

The one thing we need more of is shalom. Thanks for your good words regarding Pesach.

75 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:16:53am

re: #60 Cato the Elder

It shouldn't be hard. Putting a political spin on that one, I mean.

Just sayin'.

The guy was completely nuts; I watched a couple of the depressing crazy videos he posted at Google Video. Like the guy who crashed his airplane into the federal building, there was nothing politically driven about his threats; it's probably more because Cantor is Jewish than anything else.

76 MilkOfMalfeasance  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:17:02am

At least they make it easy to find their friends...The Idaho Light Foot Militia's Pals

77 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:17:09am

re: #53 Cato the Elder

As Killgore pointed out yesterday, Shrieks Geller has already gone on record defending these Jew-haters† and screaming about how the Feds aren't doing their job of protecting us from jihad.

†The Hutarees have an "Evil Jew Forum" on their site: "Talk about being an evil Jew and how we are taking over the world in our own private forum where no one else can see. Shalomi or something." (Sorry, only registered users may read this forum.)

You've really outdone yourself this time, Pamz. I wonder if even Robert can get behind you on this one.

I've pointed this out before, MOST of these religious based militia groups base a part of their "theology" on Anglo-Israelism, which reasons that the white Europeans are the decedents of the lost tribes of Israel and there for heirs to the promises contained in the Hebrew and Greek scriptures.

78 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:17:10am

re: #64 Walter L. Newton


I am more concerned about what havoc these guys could wreak if authorities were already distracted by dealing some other major natural/man-made catastrophe: and it would not have to be organized, just anarchic.

79 bratwurst  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:17:22am

re: #70 MilkOfMalfeasance

.The Idaho Light Foot Militia

If I were Gordon, I would so be on the phone my with lawyers right now!

80 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:17:38am

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist
Someone had a you tube link on the previous thread. IMO, he's not a islamist, just a raving lunatic.

81 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:17:42am

re: #70 MilkOfMalfeasance

Looks like these Dirt Bags have friends...The Idaho Light Foot Militia

Bad Crazy.


Isn't that little circle with a cross symbol an Aryan race thing? (See counter)...

Oh and please warn us of actual milita sites vs. new articles about them. I don't want links to nutjobs showing up on my computer logs.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:17:59am

re: #75 Charles

The guy was completely nuts; I watched a couple of the depressing crazy videos he posted at Google Video. Like the guy who crashed his airplane into the federal building, there was nothing politically driven about his threats; it's probably more because Cantor is Jewish than anything else.

Yeah, but the political atmosphere is so charged that the nuts are swarming.

83 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:18:04am

re: #65 LudwigVanQuixote

That my dear friend is the entire lesson of the holiday! I wish you the very best!

And I wish you a good holiday... we ourselves have 14 people coming over tonight for Passover.

84 MilkOfMalfeasance  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:18:48am

re: #81 DaddyG

Sorry, I will put a disclaimer on in the future.

85 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:18:55am

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

Pam Geller claims the dude is Muslim. Anyone else said that?

After watching a couple of the videos, he seems like a crazy person who fixated on Islam, not a real Muslim.

86 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:19:24am

re: #55 shiplord kirel

48 hour rule.

This gang looks like a gourmet nut casserole to be sure, but high-profile law enforcement raids on religious kooks have a bad history. Besides Waco we have the more recent raid on that polygamous cult ranch near Eldorado Texas. This involved hundreds of leos, as well as helicopters and even tracked armor for crying out loud. Several hundred children were hauled away and sent to foster care. Eventually, the raid turned out to have been instigated by a serial crank, almost all the charges were proven to be without merit, the children were returned, and the state faces millions in compensation claims.
Interestingly, some of the same CPS workers who instigated the Waco raid were on hand at Eldorado too.

No one was shot here so at least they're learning. Ruby Ridge ended with multiple deaths and cost the taxpayers millions.

87 Mark Pennington  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:19:35am

re: #57 Charles

And of course, I'm already seeing the comments from conservatives all over Twitter gleefully pouncing on the story of the guy who threatened Eric Cantor, because he was an Obama donor.

They're going to try to put a political spin on it, of course, after all the recent stories of right wing threats and extremism.

Check out Malkin today. She broke her neck to do an entry on the nutbar who threatened Cantor. (who of course is an Obama donor!) She is ignoring the militia who was on a mission to take back America.

88 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:19:38am

re: #84 MilkOfMalfeasance

Sorry, I will put a disclaimer on in the future.


Thanks - I'm not upset with your link- just requesting warnings from all Lizards when possible.

89 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:19:50am

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

And I wish you a good holiday... we ourselves have 14 people coming over tonight for Passover.

I wish you a great holiday as well! I didn't know you were a Tribe member though. Chag Sameach!

90 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:20:08am

re: #77 Walter L. Newton

A good point Walter. There's been an undercurrent of that racist/religious hybrid for many years now, and it drives many of the far right militia groups. They literally live in their own universe. Very scary.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:20:48am

re: #87 beekiller

Check out Malkin today. She broke her neck to do an entry on the nutbar who threatened Cantor. (who of course is an Obama donor!) She is ignoring the militia who was on a mission to take back America.

She also did a piece on the Metro bombs.

Very hysterical, next to no data.

92 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:20:49am

When exactly did "Weapons of Mass Destruction" get dumbed down to include IED's, EFP's, and other devices that used conventional explosives?

Wasn't the working definition of WMD's defined only as Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical weapons working well enough?

93 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:20:51am

re: #78 ralphieboy

I am more concerned about what havoc these guys could wreak if authorities were already distracted by dealing some other major natural/man-made catastrophe: and it would not have to be organized, just anarchic.

Their actual physical numbers are no where enough to cause the kind of chaos that you are imagining.

Granted, anything they do can be terrible, but it's not like this is some organization of cooperating groups of people entrenched in state after state.

It's not a standing home army. It's pockets of religious nuts, who can be problematic, but there is no way they have the numbers or organization to cause a "revolution."

94 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:21:05am

re: #75 Charles

The guy was completely nuts; I watched a couple of the depressing crazy videos he posted at Google Video. Like the guy who crashed his airplane into the federal building, there was nothing politically driven about his threats; it's probably more because Cantor is Jewish than anything else.

Perhaps. But that won't slow the tuquoquists down for a second. Many spittle-spraying teabaggers are certifiably nuts as well as being politically motivated; I don't see how this is any different, at least potentially.

95 MilkOfMalfeasance  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:21:19am

re: #89 LudwigVanQuixote

A perfectly reasonable request. Should have thought of that myself.

96 MilkOfMalfeasance  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:22:02am

re: #88 DaddyG

Woops, replies to the wrong comment... Doh.

97 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:22:26am

re: #95 MilkOfMalfeasance

A perfectly reasonable request. Should have thought of that myself.

And you too my friend!

98 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:22:29am

re: #81 DaddyG

Isn't that little circle with a cross symbol an Aryan race thing? (See counter)...

Oh and please warn us of actual milita sites vs. new articles about them. I don't want links to nutjobs showing up on my computer logs.

It can be, but it's not a given. It's a really basic general symbol.

Like here it could be a cross symbol and it also could be a gun target crosshair symbol which would fit with the whole militia thing.

99 Right Brain  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:23:04am

Colonial Christian Republic? Do they have a plan to fix health insurance?

100 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:23:26am

re: #30 Lidane

Klingon is a perfectly useful language. It's guaranteed to loosen any phlegm in your lungs when you try and speak it. It also acts as a guaranteed form of birth control, since speaking fluent Klingon pretty much ensures you'll never get laid. ;)

Not true. There was a fluent Klingon speaker in the news a while back. Married, with children, whom he's raising to be bilingual in Klingon and English.

101 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:23:58am

re: #94 Cato the Elder

I am not imagining these fellows turning American cities into downtown Mgadischu, but I fear there are a lot of these people just waiting for an excuse to go lock and loand and go wreak some vengeance on the unbelievers/traitors/commie sympathizers/sodomites/ fornicators (add your own choice here) etc...

102 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:24:02am

re: #99 Right Brain

Yeah, they have their own special "death panels"

103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:24:07am

re: #99 Right Brain

Colonial Christian Republic? Do they have a plan to fix health insurance?

Yea. Don't get sick.
/

104 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:24:33am

re: #100 Cato the Elder

Not true. There was a fluent Klingon speaker in the news a while back. Married, with children, whom he's raising to be bilingual in Klingon and English.


Hope their mother does not have a flat head...

105 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:24:37am

re: #99 Right Brain

Colonial Christian Republic? Do they have a plan to fix health insurance?

That is a great line...

Also an interesting point... The peol best suited to survive an eco-collapse in the US are Neo-Nazi militia types in Michigan.

Really we should stop AGW if only because those bastards are the current future of America.

And no, I am not joking here. I wish I were.

106 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:24:56am

re: #100 Cato the Elder

Not true. There was a fluent Klingon speaker in the news a while back. Married, with children, whom he's raising to be bilingual in Klingon and English.

Well there are men who have impregnated women after having vasectomies also, no system is perfect...

107 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:25:14am

re: #101 ralphieboy

I am not imagining these fellows turning American cities into downtown Mgadischu, but I fear there are a lot of these people just waiting for an excuse to go lock and loand and go wreak some vengeance on the unbelievers/traitors/commie sympathizers/sodomites/ fornicators (add your own choice here) etc...

And Pamz Geller will cheer them on from the sidelines, until they make it to her NYC condo...

108 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:25:40am

re: #101 ralphieboy

If there is some sort of widespread disaster/calamity there will be similar issues regardless of the religious/political leanings. Opportunists will attempt to loot, rob banks, etc.

109 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:25:49am

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote


You're highlighting my point: these guys are not just well equpped to deal with catastrophic situations, they are waiting for one to happen so they can make their move.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:26:20am

re: #107 Cato the Elder

And Pamz Geller will cheer them on from the sidelines, until they make it to her NYC condo...

"There are parts of New York I would advise the Reich not to attempt to invade..."

111 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:26:33am

re: #89 LudwigVanQuixote

I wish you a great holiday as well! I didn't know you were a Tribe member though. Chag Sameach!

I'm not. The two step children are Jewish, a few of the people coming over are jewish, all of us are Zionists. It's a very mixed bag of believers and atheists, but it's the message of freedom that brings us all together. We have a full Seder tonight, with a custom "Freedom" Haggadah that my girlfriends dead husband (who was Jewish) compiled a 20 years ago.

It's not traditional, but we do celebrated it with respect to the meaning behind the holiday.

112 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:26:45am

re: #99 Right Brain

Colonial Christian Republic? Do they have a plan to fix health insurance?

Pray you don't get sick.

113 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:26:56am

re: #107 Cato the Elder

These people love unleashing the beast, so long as the beast is devouring everyone else. But these beasts are never satisfied till they eat everything, including eventually themselves.

114 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:26:56am

BBIAB...laundry and dishes.

115 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:27:14am

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

"There are parts of New York I would advise the Reich not to attempt to invade..."

We own a lot of guns here in South Florida, frankly about as many as the North Korean Army, though ours are generally of a higher caliber...

(Dave Barry)

116 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:27:39am

re: #112 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pray you don't get sick.

If you do get sick, and it looks like you won't recover, call Brother Handgrenade McClatchy, and ask to be assigned a suicide mission.

117 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:28:17am

re: #104 ralphieboy

Hope their mother does not have a flat head...

I know a few people involved in the Klingon groups out here in SoCal. They're geeks with an excuse to work out and go to hockey games.

118 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:28:40am

re: #101 ralphieboy

I am not imagining these fellows turning American cities into downtown Mgadischu, but I fear there are a lot of these people just waiting for an excuse to go lock and loand and go wreak some vengeance on the unbelievers/traitors/commie sympathizers/sodomites/ fornicators (add your own choice here) etc...

In other words, fear and hatred driven by ignorance and a desire to rob others of freedom.

In other words, the exact opposite of everything America and Pesach stand for.

In other words, example one of why I consider the Right wing, as it manifests itself today, (and I mean teabaggers and all of the crazy, not respectable conservatives) to be evil and anti-American.

119 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:29:20am

re: #99 Right Brain

Colonial Christian Republic? Do they have a plan to fix health insurance?

They won't get that far unless a friendly Native-American tribe brings them maize and potatoes and turkeys and other indigenous foodstuffs. If not, they'll starve to death the first winter.

Oh wait, that's another colonial group I'm thinking of.

These guys will survive the first part of winter by eating twenty year old cans of Spam and Dinty Moore's Beef Stew.

Then they'll get hungry again and head home for some of Mom's tuna casserole.

120 avanti  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:29:32am

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, but the political atmosphere is so charged that the nuts are swarming.

Just reading a thread on another blog that gave a clue as to how convoluted some posters thoughts become. A poster quotes Lee Iacocca writing about "Where have all the leaders gone" as a slam against Obama. Another poster breaks the echo chamber rule by posting a link to Snopes that shows it was written in 2007, and the stuff about Obama was added in later e-mails to make it seem to be directed at Obama.

The final conclusion on the blog ? Snopes is leftie, Obama supporting site, amazing.

snopes.

121 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:29:41am

militias are creepy and should be illegal (at least the ones not created by a state government), however I think I found something even more creepy:


[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

122 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:29:54am

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

I'm not. The two step children are Jewish, a few of the people coming over are jewish, all of us are Zionists. It's a very mixed bag of believers and atheists, but it's the message of freedom that brings us all together. We have a full Seder tonight, with a custom "Freedom" Haggadah that my girlfriends dead husband (who was Jewish) compiled a 20 years ago.

It's not traditional, but we do celebrated it with respect to the meaning behind the holiday.

Well have a great Time! I suppose doing it your way has the advantage of not having to drink four cups of wine and not being force fed a kazais of Matzah every twenty minutes!

123 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:30:54am

re: #101 ralphieboy

I am not imagining these fellows turning American cities into downtown Mgadischu, but I fear there are a lot of these people just waiting for an excuse to go lock and loand and go wreak some vengeance on the unbelievers/traitors/commie sympathizers/sodomites/ fornicators (add your own choice here) etc...


I see most of these types as sitting in a dugout cave with an unused deer rifle, clutching a can of beef jerky and soiling their pants because the internet and cable TV went down for 48 hours.

124 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:31:24am

re: #121 SpaceJesus

militias are creepy and should be illegal (at least the ones not created by a state government), however I think I found something even more creepy:


[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

The long journey of Mister Poop is the best!

125 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:31:43am

re: #122 LudwigVanQuixote

Well have a great Time! I suppose doing it your way has the advantage of not having to drink four cups of wine and not being force fed a kazais of Matzah every twenty minutes!

Thank you...

126 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:32:01am

Religious fanaticism in all of its forms is the biggest threat facing humanity today.

127 Spider Mensch  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:32:07am

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

Hope you have a peaceful and joyous Passover, Professor!

128 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:32:11am

re: #123 DaddyG

I see most of these types as sitting in a dugout cave with an unused deer rifle, clutching a can of beef jerky and soiling their pants because the internet and cable TV went down for 48 hours.

I call that "My Weekend."
/

129 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:32:29am

re: #121 SpaceJesus

militias are creepy and should be illegal (at least the ones not created by a state government), however I think I found something even more creepy:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Wow, load that up, don't see anything wrong with the picture, look to the title expecting it to be something involving indoctrination based on the happy pledge giving children, read title, look at picture again, realize what I missed the first time, GAH!

Not to say there's something "wrong" with that and they can't control it, but that doesn't make them any less residents of the Uncanny Valley...

130 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:32:49am

re: #126 drcordell

Religious fanaticism in all of its forms is the biggest threat facing humanity today.

and there's only one way to be sure to get rid of it

131 AK-47%  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:32:58am

re: #123 DaddyG

I see most of these types as sitting in a dugout cave with an unused deer rifle, clutching a can of beef jerky and soiling their pants because the internet and cable TV went down for 48 hours.

I wish they were these kid of parodies of themselves that we see in "South Park", but this last raid shows that they are unnervingly real and present.

132 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:33:22am

re: #130 SpaceJesus

and there's only one way to be sure to get rid of it

Forced re-education camps for everyone!

133 Olsonist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:34:38am

re: #132 drcordell

Forced re-education camps for everyone!

Or depending on the individuals case, education camps.

134 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:34:38am

re: #130 SpaceJesus

and there's only one way to be sure to get rid of it

Everyone gets a kitten and the cat overlords take over direct supervision!

135 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:34:42am

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

"There are parts of New York I would advise the Reich not to attempt to invade..."

There is the little issue that American Jews are not meek.

Honestly, the idea of shooting some Nazi, jackbooted, jack off appeals.

136 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:34:47am

re: #132 drcordell

Forced re-education camps for everyone!

Leaving somebody out would be discrimination, and we really couldn't have that now, could we?
/

137 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:34:57am

re: #127 Spider Mensch

Hope you have a peaceful and joyous Passover, Professor!

You too my friend!

138 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:35:15am

No Seder for me this year :(...our friends who normally hold the Seder are flying to Ethiopia today. They're adopting a baby girl -- finalized in a couple months -- and are taking a trip out to familiarize themselves with the area(location of adoption agency, government offices they'll have to visit to get final paperwork, etc.) so they can more easily navigate their way around when they go back in June to pick up their new child. Exciting times!

Oh, and if I seem old and grumpy, it's because I turned 46 today.

And one more thing...we found a couple of houses we liked yesterday...this one has a fantastic ocean view...major want indeed.

139 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:35:22am

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

Which is not unusual. Group speak is important to group solidarity and for recognizing each other, and it bestows a uniqueness to thier existence.

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are a prime example of exclusivity groups who have created new terms for standard Christian labels in order to separate themselves from the rest of Christendom.

Tru dat:

Mormon Speak:

Frick, Fetch, Flip, Frip, Frig, Friggin: Replacement words for "F" word.
Shiz: Book of Mormon Character who led armies against the good guys. Now used to replace 'Sh*t' word. 'He's so full of shiz.'
Rumored to be the Snoop Dog precursor to 'Shizzle' when he ran into some missionaries. //sarc
BOM: Book of Mormon, "Did you give him a BOM, he asked some questions showing interest?"
Quad: Standard Accepted Mormon Canon of Scripture: Old Testament, New Testament, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, Pearl of Great Price.
"Honey, can you get my quad off the table and bring it to me?"
Quorum: Priesthood group, "Hey, Brother James, you coming to Elders Quorum this sunday? We missed you last week."
Ward: The boundaries designating which church building you attend. "What ward are you in? I go to 43rd Ward."

I am sure there are others, but these are the ones that most people might not get on first hearing them which are commonly used words by many of my club. heh.

140 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:35:32am

re: #44 jamesfirecat

/Yes, they were really atheists pretending to be devout Christians!

What about the Amish Connection?

141 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:35:34am

re: #131 ralphieboy

I wish they were these kid of parodies of themselves that we see in "South Park", but this last raid shows that they are unnervingly real and present.

The lesson for me: Fear those who take themselves completely seriously.

142 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:35:49am

re: #121 SpaceJesus

I like this one better: Handjob

143 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:36:06am

re: #136 CyanSnowHawk

Leaving somebody out would be discrimination, and we really couldn't have that now, could we?
/

Well, we have to make sure that everyone has the "homosexual agenda" fully forced upon them. There's no way of knowing who is already gay and who isn't, so we just have to include everybody.

144 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:36:34am

re: #135 LudwigVanQuixote

Ixnay on the eathday etthray.

145 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:37:53am

re: #138 darthstar

Happy birthday you grump!

146 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:38:04am

re: #58 LudwigVanQuixote

Pamela Geller is the epitome of one trapped in Mitzraim. Her view is so narrow and constricted and her ability to do what is right so limited by fear and anger that she even unwittingly aids those who would destroy her own people.

Do you think that a public, printed (ahem!) bitch-slap from a respected rabbi would slow her down, or is she too far gone in evil even for that to have an effect?

Might be worth a try. She gives the tribe a bad name.

147 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:38:08am

re: #132 drcordell

Forced re-education camps for everyone!


I would drop out of school to become an instructor at one

148 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:38:13am

re: #139 Oh no...Sand People! Heh. My oldest daughter just got into the Single Young Adult group. Talk about organized neurosis!

149 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:38:27am

re: #139 Oh no...Sand People!

With the reference to "The Tribe" earlier I initially thought that Cleveland Indian fans had developed their own special code as well... o_O

// (j/k)

150 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:38:42am

re: #139 Oh no...Sand People!

Tru dat:

Mormon Speak:

Frick, Fetch, Flip, Frip, Frig, Friggin: Replacement words for "F" word.
Shiz: Book of Mormon Character who led armies against the good guys. Now used to replace 'Sh*t' word. 'He's so full of shiz.'
Rumored to be the Snoop Dog precursor to 'Shizzle' when he ran into some missionaries. //sarc
BOM: Book of Mormon, "Did you give him a BOM, he asked some questions showing interest?"
Quad: Standard Accepted Mormon Canon of Scripture: Old Testament, New Testament, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, Pearl of Great Price.
"Honey, can you get my quad off the table and bring it to me?"
Quorum: Priesthood group, "Hey, Brother James, you coming to Elders Quorum this sunday? We missed you last week."
Ward: The boundaries designating which church building you attend. "What ward are you in? I go to 43rd Ward."

I am sure there are others, but these are the ones that most people might not get on first hearing them which are commonly used words by many of my club. heh.

You forgot the Relief Society. No jello for you!

151 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:38:54am

re: #138 darthstar


Oh, and if I seem old and grumpy, it's because I turned 46 today.

Congrats on making it long enough to be a damn-dirty and old hippie.//

152 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:39:02am

re: #143 drcordell

Well, we have to make sure that everyone has the "homosexual agenda" fully forced upon them. There's no way of knowing who is already gay and who isn't, so we just have to include everybody.

If you believe Max Blumenthal, it's all the Republicans. Every. Last. One. Of. Them.

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:39:21am

re: #146 Cato the Elder

Do you think that a public, printed (ahem!) bitch-slap from a respected rabbi would slow her down, or is she too far gone in evil even for that to have an effect?

Might be worth a try. She gives the tribe a bad name.

Respected by whom? I can't imagine anyone pulling her up short at this point.

154 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:39:41am

re: #142 Irenicum

I like this one better: Handjob

I thought the champagne facial with the old lady was a little over the top. And yes, I agree with the post that the kid getting a 'handjob' from his uncle was pretty fucking creepy...they should edit that out of their commerical ASAP.

155 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:39:55am

re: #150 EmmmieG

You forgot the Relief Society. No jello for you!

Hahahahahaha! Bad Momo - no jello!

156 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:40:33am

re: #150 EmmmieG

You forgot the Relief Society. No jello for you!

Ah, yes. The wonderful purveyors of green gel with random fruits inside.

The list of codespeak could go on for pages!

157 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:40:45am

re: #152 CyanSnowHawk

If you believe Max Blumenthal, it's all the Republicans. Every. Last. One. Of. Them.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. If you're looking for somebody gay, find the biggest most outspoken homophobe you know. The modern GOP loves projecting, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were all closeted gays.

158 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:40:47am

re: #154 darthstar

I can't believe it's an actual product. It's so over the top that's got to be a spoof.

159 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:41:51am

re: #156 Oh no...Sand People!

Ah, yes. The wonderful purveyors of green gel with random fruits inside.

The list of codespeak could go on for pages!


I love it when there is a fued in Releif Society. I never know the word "sister" could sound so much like a deadly insult.

160 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:42:04am

re: #158 Irenicum

Though I do agree with you about including the kid in the ad, spoof or not, that is beyond inappropriate.

161 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:42:15am

re: #158 Irenicum

I can't believe it's an actual product. It's so over the top that's got to be a spoof.

Watching that commercial makes it pretty clear that they know what they're doing.

162 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:42:38am

re: #157 drcordell

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. If you're looking for somebody gay, find the biggest most outspoken homophobe you know. The modern GOP loves projecting, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were all closeted gays.

I am a Republican male Lesbian. Count me in.

163 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:43:11am

Well, I am forced, forced to go and see the exhibit on the History of Chocolate.

Pity me.

164 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:43:31am

re: #146 Cato the Elder

Do you think that a public, printed (ahem!) bitch-slap from a respected rabbi would slow her down, or is she too far gone in evil even for that to have an effect?

Might be worth a try. She gives the tribe a bad name.

She does, she really does. She is a rasha, whose words and actions are chillul Hashem. Honestly Cato, there is no stronger condemnation I could make.

Perhaps fortunately - or unfortunately.

Most American rabbis of note are very staunchly private about their politics however. I honestly doubt that many even know she exists.

As a side note even in Israel, the gadolim - the real great rabbaim - try hard to stay out of politics. In almost every case you hear of some crazy rabbi shooting his mouth off politically even over there, you are ultimately talking about a little pisher.

165 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:43:41am

re: #162 DaddyG

You're a lesbian trapped in a mans body too? Good to know I'm not alone.

166 a_little_interested  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:43:52am

The term "weapon of mass destruction" is being thrown around in a very cavalier way - which just confuses me. Surely a plot to kill law enforcement in this manner is serious enough not to need hyperbole?

Because - in the sense the word is used - I find it hard to believe this group would have anything even close to counting as WMD. Which is not to say they could not cause horrible casualties without them - look at the Omah Bombing.

167 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:44:09am

re: #163 EmmmieG

Well, I am forced, forced to go and see the exhibit on the History of Chocolate.

Pity me.

Between that, coffee, the potato and the tomato you have four reasons why the Americas rule! ;)

168 Mark Pennington  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:44:19am

I was just checking out the comments Charles mentioned. These people are dumber than shit. The day they have anything of value to contribute to the national political discourse, I'll go over to Pat Buchanan's house and personally fellate him while humming Dixie.

169 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:44:20am

re: #163 EmmmieG

Well, I am forced, forced to go and see the exhibit on the History of Chocolate.

Pity me.


Is it like a winery tour where you get to go to a tasting afterward?

170 researchok  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:44:47am

I hope they lock these bastards up for life. Same applies to the guy who threatened Cantor.

This isn't political. This is criminal.

171 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:45:51am

re: #163 EmmmieG

Well, I am forced, forced to go and see the exhibit on the History of Chocolate.

Pity me.

Spoiler... chocolate wins.

172 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:45:54am

Off to put the smack down on two souls from the 'preexistence' that I was blessed to raise...

later all.

173 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:45:59am

re: #168 beekiller

That's just funny! Heh.

174 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:45:59am

re: #168 beekiller

I was just checking out the comments Charles mentioned. These people are dumber than shit. The day they have anything of value to contribute to the national political discourse, I'll go over to Pat Buchanan's house and personally fellate him while humming Dixie.

He'll only get off if you hum "Deutschland Uber Alles."

175 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:46:02am

re: #165 Irenicum

You're a lesbian trapped in a mans body too? Good to know I'm not alone.

Not only that - I'm a polygamist trapped in a monogamists body!

176 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:46:16am

re: #168 beekiller

I'll go over to Pat Buchanan's house and personally fellate him while humming Dixie.

Uh...er... yeah, I have nothing to say. Could you at least use your teeth? Might as well get something out of it.

177 middy  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:46:27am

re: #168 beekiller

I was just checking out the comments Charles mentioned. These people are dumber than shit. The day they have anything of value to contribute to the national political discourse, I'll go over to Pat Buchanan's house and personally fellate him while humming Dixie.

They've given us an invaluable example of how not to be political.

I'll tell Pat you're on your way.

178 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:46:31am

re: #144 CyanSnowHawk

Ixnay on the eathday etthray.


.....ah ...let me get my piglatin Thesarus.....
Oh! Hahaha..

179 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:47:03am

re: #172 Oh no...Sand People!

Off to put the smack down on two souls from the 'preexistence' that I was blessed to raise...

later all.


Even odds the word "obey" comes up in the discussion. Good luck!

180 Irenicum  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:47:04am

We're supposed to get another 8 inches of rain up here by tomorrow night, so I need to get out and do what I need to. See y'all later.

181 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:47:57am

Oddly enough the wingnuts aren't complaining about civilians trials for the militia members. Go figure.

182 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:48:33am

If they keep busting these wing nut militias will there be a glut of assault weapons hitting the market on gunbroker.com???
///

183 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:48:41am

re: #175 DaddyG

Not only that - I'm a polygamist trapped in a monogamists body!

What's different about a polygamist's body? No, really, I have to know, because I'm picturing multiple reproductive organs and it's freaking me out.

184 Mark Pennington  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:48:56am

heh I grossed my own self out.

185 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:49:38am

re: #182 reloadingisnotahobby

If they keep busting these wing nut militias will there be a glut of assault weapons hitting the market on gunbroker.com???
///

Betcha they're the ones hoarding up all the ammo!

186 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:50:08am

re: #166 a_little_interested

The term "weapon of mass destruction" is being thrown around in a very cavalier way - which just confuses me. Surely a plot to kill law enforcement in this manner is serious enough not to need hyperbole?

Because - in the sense the word is used - I find it hard to believe this group would have anything even close to counting as WMD. Which is not to say they could not cause horrible casualties without them - look at the Omah Bombing.

A few months back I looked up PETN to learn what its chemical make-up was (out of curiosity)...what I found was a how-to guide that was so freaking simple I wouldn't even share the link. Weapons of Moderate Destruction in the hands of militant/terrorist groups scare me more than those of mass destruction.

187 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:50:09am

re: #157 drcordell

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. If you're looking for somebody gay, find the biggest most outspoken homophobe you know. The modern GOP loves projecting, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were all closeted gays.

I'm halfway through Republican Gomorrah and it does seem that there are an awful lot of them. I do have to keep in mind however that it is Max Blumenthal writing this. Some of the unspoken but implied connections are pretty outrageous, even if the main point of the book is quite valid.

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:51:55am

re: #187 CyanSnowHawk

I'm halfway through Republican Gomorrah and it does seem that there are an awful lot of them. I do have to keep in mind however that it is Max Blumenthal writing this. Some of the unspoken but implied connections are pretty outrageous, even if the main point of the book is quite valid.

Wait, there's a BOOK about gay Republicans?

189 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:52:01am

re: #183 JasonA

What's different about a polygamist's body? No, really, I have to know, because I'm picturing multiple reproductive organs and it's freaking me out.


Perhaps I overdid it with that line... I was alluding to the fact that men are naturally prone to wandering eyes and glands - but I've been monogamous for 20+ years now.

190 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:52:25am

re: #181 Killgore Trout

Oddly enough the wingnuts aren't complaining about civilians trials for the militia members. Go figure.

Uhhh...i don't want to diminish how much i abhor these militia nuts...but aren't civil trials for civilians and civil trials for foreign terrorists two different questions?

I'm probably just misunderstanding your post...apologies in advance, if that's the case...

191 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:52:57am

re: #168 beekiller

I was just checking out the comments Charles mentioned. These people are dumber than shit. The day they have anything of value to contribute to the national political discourse, I'll go over to Pat Buchanan's house and personally fellate him while humming Dixie.

NPR did a story on the Palin/McCain rally over the weekend. They interviewed a number of people who made wild claims about the Health Care Bill meaning the government would have the power to tell us what we can read (seriously), as well as taking away guns & religion. Total, over the top craziness. NPR, being the passive reporters they are, didn't bother saying that these people sounded bat-shit crazy. Probably because they were laughing too hard for a follow-up commentary.

192 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:53:45am

re: #190 Aceofwhat?

Uhhh...i don't want to diminish how much i abhor these militia nuts...but aren't civil trials for civilians and civil trials for foreign terrorists two different questions?

I'm probably just misunderstanding your post...apologies in advance, if that's the case...

Well either way they're religious fundamentalists who were planning to attack representatives of the American Government and then innocent civilians...

193 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:54:22am

re: #187 CyanSnowHawk

I'm halfway through Republican Gomorrah and it does seem that there are an awful lot of them. I do have to keep in mind however that it is Max Blumenthal writing this. Some of the unspoken but implied connections are pretty outrageous, even if the main point of the book is quite valid.

All I know is that the pattern of projection is quite obvious. Mark Foley chairs the online children abuse committee? Busted soliciting minors online. David Vitter is an outspoken proponent of "traditional marriage"? Gets busted fucking prostitutes while wearing diapers. Firmly oppose equal rights for gays? Add Larry Craig, that recent CA State Senator and lord knows who else to that list.

194 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:54:33am

re: #190 Aceofwhat?

Uhhh...i don't want to diminish how much i abhor these militia nuts...but aren't civil trials for civilians and civil trials for foreign terrorists two different questions?

I'm probably just misunderstanding your post...apologies in advance, if that's the case...

His point is that they are both terrorists dedicated to destroying America. As a legal quibble, if you are levying war against America, you have de facto renounced your citizenship - so even legally, they are the same thing.

195 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:54:58am

re: #191 darthstar

NPR did a story on the Palin/McCain rally over the weekend. They interviewed a number of people who made wild claims about the Health Care Bill meaning the government would have the power to tell us what we can read (seriously), as well as taking away guns & religion. Total, over the top craziness. NPR, being the passive reporters they are, didn't bother saying that these people sounded bat-shit crazy. Probably because they were laughing too hard for a follow-up commentary.

Sigh... that's sort of the problem, the News people tend to want to cast an aura of respect/acceptability over whatever they report, that's why I like Daily Show so much, they aren't afraid to call an idiot an idiot...

196 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:55:22am

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

Wait, there's a BOOK about gay Republicans?

Yeah you open it up and it says "You're a Republican and reading a book? What are you some sort of faggot RINO liberal?"

197 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:55:28am

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

His point is that they are both terrorists dedicated to destroying America. As a legal quibble, if you are levying war against America, you have de facto renounced your citizenship - so even legally, they are the same thing.

I see. Technically, i don't think that's legally accurate...but if it is, then sure, throw them in the brig...

198 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:55:48am

re: #168 beekiller

I'll go over to Pat Buchanan's house and personally fellate him while humming Dixie.

re: #169 DaddyG

Is it like a winery tour where you get to go to a tasting afterward?

Most. nauseating. post. sequence. ever.

199 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:56:13am

re: #154 darthstar

I thought the champagne facial with the old lady was a little over the top. And yes, I agree with the post that the kid getting a 'handjob' from his uncle was pretty fucking creepy...they should edit that out of their commerical ASAP.

I love the forced incompetence portions of ads like that. "Have trouble brushing your teeth?" as the guy sticks the brush up his nose, that kind of thing.

200 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:56:21am

re: #197 Aceofwhat?

I see. Technically, i don't think that's legally accurate...but if it is, then sure, throw them in the brig...

Well someone more well versed then I on the subject should comment on what you can do that leads to you losing your citizenship...

201 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:56:29am

re: #192 jamesfirecat

Well either way they're religious fundamentalists who were planning to attack representatives of the American Government and then innocent civilians...

Yeah, but these people are white, and Christian. Now, the white, "muslim" guy who made a google-video threatening Eric Cantor and his "evil cup-cake wife" claiming they were Lucifer's spawn (who knew Lucifer was an Islamic figure?) will be someone they won't mind getting the Gitmo treatment.

202 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:56:57am

re: #198 publicityStunted

Most. nauseating. post. sequence. ever.

OMG. I'm gonna break a rib laughing!!

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:57:20am

re: #201 darthstar

Yeah, but these people are white, and Christian. Now, the white, "muslim" guy who made a google-video threatening Eric Cantor and his "evil cup-cake wife" claiming they were Lucifer's spawn (who knew Lucifer was an Islamic figure?) will be someone they won't mind getting the Gitmo treatment.

I believe Muslims call him 'Iblis'.

204 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:57:43am

re: #197 Aceofwhat?

I see. Technically, i don't think that's legally accurate...but if it is, then sure, throw them in the brig...

The courts have ruled that American citizen terrorists plotting terror attacks within the U.S. and captured on U.S. soil can be treated as enemy combatants. They do not have to be given a trial. They do not have to be charged with a crime. They do not have to be given any of their rights as U.S. citizens. Just like a foreign terrorist captured in Afghanistan.

205 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:58:40am

re: #204 drcordell

The courts have ruled that American citizen terrorists plotting terror attacks within the U.S. and captured on U.S. soil can be treated as enemy combatants. They do not have to be given a trial. They do not have to be charged with a crime. They do not have to be given any of their rights as U.S. citizens. Just like a foreign terrorist captured in Afghanistan.

i'm gonna wait for someone whose avatar isn't pissing on John Roberts, if you don't mind...

206 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:58:46am

re: #204 drcordell

The courts have ruled that American citizen terrorists plotting terror attacks within the U.S. and captured on U.S. soil can be treated as enemy combatants. They do not have to be given a trial. They do not have to be charged with a crime. They do not have to be given any of their rights as U.S. citizens. Just like a foreign terrorist captured in Afghanistan.

You you point us to that decision?

207 Lidane  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:58:50am

re: #165 Irenicum

You're a lesbian trapped in a mans body too? Good to know I'm not alone.

And I'm a gay man trapped in a woman's body. Nice to know there are others like me. :)

re: #198 publicityStunted

Most. nauseating. post. sequence. ever.

Heh.

208 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:59:11am

re: #196 drcordell

Yeah you open it up and it says "You're a Republican and reading a book? What are you some sort of faggot RINO liberal?"

Yeah... that's not very funny in my opinion.

Just sayin'.

209 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:59:31am

re: #204 drcordell

God help me, but I would be in favor of that for these nutbars.

210 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:59:50am

re: #205 Aceofwhat?

i'm gonna wait for someone whose avatar isn't pissing on John Roberts, if you don't mind...

re: #206 RogueOne

You you point us to that decision?

Here it is boys.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

A federal appeals court yesterday backed the president's power to indefinitely detain a U.S. citizen captured on U.S. soil without any criminal charges, holding that such authority is vital during wartime to protect the nation from terrorist attacks.

211 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 11:59:59am

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

Wait, there's a BOOK about gay Republicans?

It's about the collapse of the Republican Party brought on by the takeover from the Dominionist religious right. A rather surprising number of them repress their homosexual tendencies so hard (so to speak) that it tends to come out rather unexpectedly. No pun intended. One could almost draw the conclusion that the legislators pushing the hardest for restrictions on gay rights and pornography are doing so to keep the temptations (opportunities for homosexual expression or encounters, not the singing group) away from them.

212 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:00:11pm

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

His point is that they are both terrorists dedicated to destroying America. As a legal quibble, if you are levying war against America, you have de facto renounced your citizenship - so even legally, they are the same thing.

I guess the catch point is who decides that you're "levying war" and thus no longer a citizen (and thus not subject to the protections and due process that is supposed to bring.) And what they need to prove in advance to make that determination.

But that ground has been covered often enough that it looks like the Wisconsin Icesheet has already given it a few scrubs...

213 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:01:44pm

re: #193 drcordell

All I know is that the pattern of projection is quite obvious. Mark Foley chairs the online children abuse committee? Busted soliciting minors online. David Vitter is an outspoken proponent of "traditional marriage"? Gets busted fucking prostitutes while wearing diapers. Firmly oppose equal rights for gays? Add Larry Craig, that recent CA State Senator and lord knows who else to that list.

Each of those guys got their own chapter in the book.

214 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:01:45pm

Someone posted a youtube saying they were going to kill Eric Cantor?

215 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:01:45pm

re: #210 drcordell

That link is from 2005. Has the law been changed?

216 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:02:38pm

re: #214 cliffster
Yep. Claimed he was the messiah and kinds of whacked out stuff.

217 gamark  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:02:43pm

re: #92 CyanSnowHawk

When exactly did "Weapons of Mass Destruction" get dumbed down to include IED's, EFP's, and other devices that used conventional explosives?

Wasn't the working definition of WMD's defined only as Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical weapons working well enough?

Probably about the same time the BATF declared airsoft rifles to be illegal machine guns.

218 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:03:19pm

re: #215 Cannadian Club Akbar

That link is from 2005. Has the law been changed?

As far as I know, it was appealed around 2006, and the appeals court declined to overturn the original ruling. As of right now it appears to be headed to the Supreme Court.

219 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:03:28pm

re: #196 drcordell

WTF dude?

220 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:03:32pm

re: #216 pingjockey

Yep. Claimed he was the messiah and kinds of whacked out stuff.

well. The internet certainly gives a voice to some interesting people

221 Soap_Man  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:03:32pm

re: #214 cliffster

Someone posted a youtube saying they were going to kill Eric Cantor?

Yup. Discussed downstairs.

222 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:03:43pm

OT:

IT Problems Put Accuracy of Census at Risk, Say Government Auditors

Sigh. What is it about the government and IT systems? I worked in that area for a number of years.

Oh, wait, it's all about starting from scratch on every project.

Here's a hint Census Bureau: You're counting stuff, and my census form had a barcode on it. You know, the one you wanted me to make sure was poking through the window on the envelope?

Well, my local grocery store has a freakin' barcode reader that's tied into their inventory control software. Just send some guys over to your local Safeway and ask them if you can borrow their system. Just modify the database to replace "Green Beans, can, 12 ounces" with "Male, White, 59 years old" and you'll have counted me.

223 shiplord kirel  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:05:02pm

re: #204 drcordell

The courts have ruled that American citizen terrorists plotting terror attacks within the U.S. and captured on U.S. soil can be treated as enemy combatants. They do not have to be given a trial. They do not have to be charged with a crime. They do not have to be given any of their rights as U.S. citizens. Just like a foreign terrorist captured in Afghanistan.

But the FEMA camps aren't ready yet, even after all these years of clandestine planning and construction. Who the hell put FEMA in charge of this anyway? The job should have gone to an agency with more institutional experience in forced totalitarian indoctrination and hellish substandard facilities; the Department of Education or the National Park Service for example.

224 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:05:37pm

re: #222 subsailor68
I have never figured out the Feds problem with IT systems. I remember doing evals. Had to have 4 paper copies and 2 hard disks. WTF?

225 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:05:44pm

re: #221 Soap_Man

Yup. Discussed downstairs.

Hmm. Republicans will probably jump all over it. In exactly the way I said I hated the Democrats doing it.

226 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:05:47pm

re: #216 pingjockey

Yep. Claimed he was the messiah and kinds of whacked out stuff.

"Son of the god of Enoch" to be more precise...judging from his language, he's a Roman CathoBaptiJewslim who is more than a bit confused.

227 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:06:14pm

re: #210 drcordell

dude, that ruling has nothing to do with trial. just detention.

228 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:06:15pm

re: #223 shiplord kirel

But the FEMA camps aren't ready yet, even after all these years of clandestine planning and construction. Who the hell put FEMA in charge of this anyway? The job should have gone to an agency with more institutional experience in forced totalitarian indoctrination and hellish substandard facilities; the Department of Education or the National Park Service for example.

We get to go to the park?
/

229 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:06:42pm

re: #226 darthstar
I admit I didn't go and look. Too many train wrecks lately to ogle at I guess!

230 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:06:57pm

re: #225 cliffster

Hmm. Republicans will probably jump all over it. In exactly the way I said I hated the Democrats doing it.

To be perfectly fair, they'd have to be saints not to.

231 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:07:09pm

re: #153 SanFranciscoZionist

Respected by whom? I can't imagine anyone pulling her up short at this point.

He means a respected Torah Scholar. Someone with a black hat and a very sizable beard who is generally busy meeting several hundred people a day.

The respected by whom argument you make is very valid. Those sorts of people would not be respect by Geller - who would immediately call the vile names and try to paint them as Naturei Karta or some such, and non-observant American Jews have never heard of rabbis like that in the first place.

232 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:07:09pm

re: #215 Cannadian Club Akbar

That link is from 2005. Has the law been changed?

Nevermind, it's actually been to the SCOTUS. They declined to rule on the case, labeling it moot, as Obama had previously requested that al-Marri be formally charged with terrorism and indicted. But they declined to overturn the ruling of the 4th Circuit court that upheld the Government's ability to hold U.S. citizens indefinitely without cause. So, as it stands the Feds still have the ability to hold a U.S. citizen indefinitely in violation of his Constitutional rights as an "enemy combatant."

233 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:07:10pm

re: #228 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yep. And get snake massages.

234 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:07:59pm

Decisions ,decisions...
Get released and deported to Afganistan.
Live in a cave,eat dried goat jerky,wondering which one of the nanny goats is NOT the slut!!
Or confess and go to ..ah Chicago!!


[Link: urbanlegends.about.com...]

235 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:08:07pm

re: #232 drcordell

Nevermind, it's actually been to the SCOTUS. They declined to rule on the case, labeling it moot, as Obama had previously requested that al-Marri be formally charged with terrorism and indicted. But they declined to overturn the ruling of the 4th Circuit court that upheld the Government's ability to hold U.S. citizens indefinitely without cause. So, as it stands the Feds still have the ability to hold a U.S. citizen indefinitely in violation of his Constitutional rights as an "enemy combatant."

Thanks.

236 Jaerik  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:08:34pm

You know, it's random and has nothing to do with the real subject at hand, but something I'm noticing about all these militia site links is the superfluous rank phenomenon.

Everyone seems to be a Major General or a Lieutenant Colonel or similar. Even when in "command" of like, six dudes with hunting rifles.

What gives?

237 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:08:40pm

re: #228 Cannadian Club Akbar

We get to go to the park?
/

Now there's a good idea. Marketing plan for the FEMA locations to be labeled and signed as Reeducation Amusement Parks. And then you mail out the "Grand Opening" coupons that allow folk to stay at a reduced rate for their first weekend.

238 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:08:42pm

re: #232 drcordell
Halp!! You have "constituitional rights" as an enemy combatant? What kind of nonsense is that?

239 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:08:42pm

Speaking of bat-shit crazy...Michele Bachmann has a disciple of her own:

(Mary Franson, running for the Minnesota House in District 11B,) thanked Bachmann for taking unpopular stands.

"It’s a badge of honor to be called a loony, right-wing, crazy, wing nut whatever. I hope to someday have that honor," she said.

240 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:08:55pm

re: #223 shiplord kirel

But the FEMA camps aren't ready yet, even after all these years of clandestine planning and construction. Who the hell put FEMA in charge of this anyway? The job should have gone to an agency with more institutional experience in forced totalitarian indoctrination and hellish substandard facilities; the Department of Education or the National Park Service for example.

I'm sick of this. We need to privatize our re-education camps NOW. I do not trust our gov't at all in this matter. Let the private sector re-educate us more efficiently and without all that waste!

241 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:09:09pm

re: #227 Aceofwhat?

dude, that ruling has nothing to do with trial. just detention.

It has nothing to do with a trial? Because of the ruling you can be held indefinitely without any charges being brought against you. Pray tell, how can you demand a trial when you are imprisoned and not charged with any crime?

242 Bob Levin  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:09:11pm

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

I was hoping that someone would mention that.

Let's do a little mental experiment, because we know how Russia is going to handle this situation, which is almost status quo in Israel.

Here goes, mental experiment: For one month, let's say the populations of Israel and enough Russians switch countries. Now the Russian/Israelis are dealing with the terrorism in their way. Do you think there would be the same kind of UN/International diplomacy directed at the Russian/Israelis as is directed at the Israeli/Jews?

And yes, I've got holiday preparations too. This would be a good question, coming whenever the wise son sees fit. Even if the wise son is the wise daughter.

243 ShaunP  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:09:12pm

re: #238 pingjockey

Halp!! You have "constituitional rights" as an enemy combatant? What kind of nonsense is that?

You have constitutional rights as an American...

244 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:09:16pm

re: #224 pingjockey

I have never figured out the Feds problem with IT systems. I remember doing evals. Had to have 4 paper copies and 2 hard disks. WTF?

I remember when my command got the requirements for a "secure computer system" and our CO gave us the order he wanted the entire batallion brought to code immeadiately. We made sure his system was brought to code first. No network connection, no removable media (floppy, CD or DVD) and the hard disk had to be removable, locked up in a secure vault and signed for every time he wanted to use it.

That project was quickly aborted.

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:09:32pm

re: #231 LudwigVanQuixote

He means a respected Torah Scholar. Someone with a black hat and a very sizable beard who is generally busy meeting several hundred people a day.

The respected by whom argument you make is very valid. Those sorts of people would not be respect by Geller - who would immediately call the vile names and try to paint them as Naturei Karta or some such, and non-observant American Jews have never heard of rabbis like that in the first place.

I get who he means, I just can't imagine anyone who Pam Geller would respect enough for his weighing in to matter at all. All this would do would open a respected rabbi to being accused of God knows what by Pam Geller--which can hardly hurt the respected rabbi, but still...

246 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:09:34pm

Hey - I got a freaky email forward from a friend, and snopes is undecided on it so I thought I'd post. It involves dogs eating children's stuffed animals, and it melts their intestines. Ick.

Here's snopes:
Stuffed toys hazard to dogs

And here's a snippet from the email:
> Last night at agility class, a vet, who is a fellow agility student
> was
> telling us about a case she had this week. The dog ate a child's
> teddy bear and was very sick. When she opened the dog up to remove
> what
> she thought was an intestinal obstruction she
> found a huge gelatin type mess inside and the dogs intestines were
> black
> and the tissue dead. The dog will die no surgery can fix
> him up there was no living intestine left from stomach to colon.
>
> This was not an obstruction. .... so she called the manufacturer of
> the
> Teddy Bear on a quest to find out what the gel was
> and what killed the dog. Turns out the stuffing in children's toys
> contains ingredients for flame retardants and mite control! It is
> designed to become a gel. It is highly toxic. Now you would think a
> child's toy would be safe because it is for children, but
> they don't expect a child to eat the stuffing of the toys... huummmm
> that seems a bit scary too. But we all know dogs demolish stuffed
> toys.
>

247 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:09:37pm

re: #236 Jaerik

You know, it's random and has nothing to do with the real subject at hand, but something I'm noticing about all these militia site links is the superfluous rank phenomenon.

Everyone seems to be a Major General or a Lieutenant Colonel or similar. Even when in "command" of like, six dudes with hunting rifles.

What gives?

Lack of imagination. If i ever decide to form a crazy squad, i want to be a Baron.

248 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:09:42pm

re: #234 reloadingisnotahobby
And yes...I am aware it's not........

249 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:09:59pm

They have a convulsion-inducing website.

That is some really sick shit. From a web design point of view.

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:10:14pm

re: #236 Jaerik

You know, it's random and has nothing to do with the real subject at hand, but something I'm noticing about all these militia site links is the superfluous rank phenomenon.

Everyone seems to be a Major General or a Lieutenant Colonel or similar. Even when in "command" of like, six dudes with hunting rifles.

What gives?


They're picking ranks they want for later, when they, you know, run the country.

251 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:11:24pm

re: #236 Jaerik

You know, it's random and has nothing to do with the real subject at hand, but something I'm noticing about all these militia site links is the superfluous rank phenomenon.

Everyone seems to be a Major General or a Lieutenant Colonel or similar. Even when in "command" of like, six dudes with hunting rifles.

What gives?

They remind me of a FPS gaming clan, insofar as the ranking and such.

And then they make a sharp turn into the ditch...

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:11:25pm

re: #238 pingjockey

Halp!! You have "constituitional rights" as an enemy combatant? What kind of nonsense is that?

What makes these guys in Michigan NOT enemy combatants?

253 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:11:35pm

re: #240 JasonA

I'm sick of this. We need to privatize our re-education camps NOW. I do not trust our gov't at all in this matter. Let the private sector re-educate us more efficiently and without all that waste!

But, won't they tell us the gubment is great at stuff like this? My head! It hurts!!
/

254 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:11:43pm

re: #249 Alouette

Probably not a good idea to link directly from here.

255 shiplord kirel  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:12:04pm

Wingnut Nation is also getting itself into a lather over the participation of US troops in this year's Victory Day parade in Moscow:
Will U.S. troops march past posters of Stalin?
Oh, the horror! Never mind that the victory being celebrated was over Nazi fucking Germany, an operation in which US forces had more than a little involvement themselves.
While we're at it, we should add a walk-by a big crowd of American taxpayers, to remind the Kremlinites of the $14 billion in lend-lease we provided to them during the war (this at a time when a billion dollars was still a lot of money).

256 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:12:15pm

re: #238 pingjockey

Halp!! You have "constituitional rights" as an enemy combatant? What kind of nonsense is that?

You have Constitutional Rights as a U.S. Citizen. Rights which can now be completely stripped away by the Government as soon as they decide to label you an "enemy combatant." Go look at the anti-terrorism statutes we have on the books in the U.S. and tell me you are glad your Constitution means jack shit once the Government can legally label you a "terrorist."

Will the tea partiers finally wake up and smell the coffee on this one? Realize that the Bush administration did more to systematically dismantle their rights than any other administration in recent history? Maybe once their militia buddies start getting held indefinitely without trial they'll wake the fuck up.

257 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:12:18pm

re: #243 ShaunP
I agree, however drcordell posted a link about the appeals court and if you're designated an enemy combatant you can be locked up indefinetly. I should have said "foriegn" enemy combatant. I'm thinking of the Geneva Convention I guess which is supposed to apply to uniformed enemies.

258 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:12:31pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

What makes these guys in Michigan NOT enemy combatants?

I don't know. They fit the definition as far as I can see.

259 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:12:53pm

re: #244 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Yep that sounds standard.

260 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:13:00pm

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

I don't know. They fit the definition as far as I can see.

If you ignore that little thing called the U.S. Constitution.

261 Jaerik  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:13:10pm

re: #247 Aceofwhat?

Lack of imagination. If i ever decide to form a crazy squad, i want to be a Baron.

There also seems to be an inordinate amount of obsession with flags and insignia.

It's sorta like they never transitioned out of the "eight-year-olds-in-tree-forts" stage, where everyone in the club is a General, fighting perennially amorphous "others" with armies made up of little green plastic toy soldiers. But rest assured every one is meticulously organized into squadrons with flags, patches, and accompanying anthems. The difference is, now they have real guns.

262 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:13:27pm

re: #242 Bob Levin

I was hoping that someone would mention that.

Let's do a little mental experiment, because we know how Russia is going to handle this situation, which is almost status quo in Israel.

Here goes, mental experiment: For one month, let's say the populations of Israel and enough Russians switch countries. Now the Russian/Israelis are dealing with the terrorism in their way. Do you think there would be the same kind of UN/International diplomacy directed at the Russian/Israelis as is directed at the Israeli/Jews?

And yes, I've got holiday preparations too. This would be a good question, coming whenever the wise son sees fit. Even if the wise son is the wise daughter.

Well said. The international hypocrisy angle is astonishing.

The Russian campaign in Chechnya was brutal by any standard. Yet there was barely a peep about it compared to the hand wringing done about Israel. All while the Russians really don't care over much about civilian casualties and the Israelis go beyond any other military in the world to avoid them.

However, we all know that Israel will never get a fair wrap for her actions in the press.

I wish you, and your family, the best for the holidays.

L'Shana habah bi'Yerushalayim

263 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:13:30pm

re: #241 drcordell

It has nothing to do with a trial? Because of the ruling you can be held indefinitely without any charges being brought against you. Pray tell, how can you demand a trial when you are imprisoned and not charged with any crime?

the military commissions act probably doesn't allow a truly indefinite imprisonment of a US citizen...i just don't think such a case has arisen yet.

264 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:13:49pm

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

I get who he means, I just can't imagine anyone who Pam Geller would respect enough for his weighing in to matter at all. All this would do would open a respected rabbi to being accused of God knows what by Pam Geller--which can hardly hurt the respected rabbi, but still...

We are saying the same thing.

265 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:13:54pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist
Nothing I can see. Sheesh, this whole mess boggles the mind.

266 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:14:38pm

re: #261 Jaerik

There also seems to be an inordinate amount of obsession with flags and insignia.

It's sorta like they never transitioned out of the "eight-year-olds-in-tree-forts" stage, where everyone in the club is a General, fighting perennially amorphous "others" with armies made up of little green plastic toy soldiers. But rest assured every one is meticulously organized into squadrons with flags, patches, and accompanying anthems. The difference is, now they have real guns.

I never wanted to be a general. I settled for NCO status (sergeant) and turned out having a lot of real authority. General staffs are preferred targets!

;)

267 shiplord kirel  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:14:47pm

Of course, some of the Russian ingratitude over lend-lease is easier to understand when you realize that it reportedly included a quarter of a billion cans of Spam.....

268 ShaunP  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:15:04pm

re: #263 Aceofwhat?

the military commissions act probably doesn't allow a truly indefinite imprisonment of a US citizen...i just don't think such a case has arisen yet.

Personally, I find it troubling that the loopholes exist within the legal framework; regardless if it has been used or not...

269 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:15:28pm

re: #259 pingjockey

Yep that sounds standard.

Well, the system was secure. Completely unusable for anything work related mind you, but secure.

270 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:16:10pm

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

I get who he means, I just can't imagine anyone who Pam Geller would respect enough for his weighing in to matter at all. All this would do would open a respected rabbi to being accused of God knows what by Pam Geller--which can hardly hurt the respected rabbi, but still...

Does Pam even belong to a congregation?

271 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:16:22pm

re: #261 Jaerik

There also seems to be an inordinate amount of obsession with flags and insignia.

It's sorta like they never transitioned out of the "eight-year-olds-in-tree-forts" stage, where everyone in the club is a General, fighting perennially amorphous "others" with armies made up of little green plastic toy soldiers. But rest assured every one is meticulously organized into squadrons with flags, patches, and accompanying anthems. The difference is, now they have real guns.

they also appear to have a fascination with twinkies. apparently their command structure failed to inform them that the spare tires are counterproductive to armed resistance/

272 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:16:26pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

What makes these guys in Michigan NOT enemy combatants?

They haven't actually tried to do what they were talking about yet. Had they made the attempt, it would be much easier to make the case that they were trying to wage war against the US. Up to now, it's all talk and preparation. Which is enough to bring them in and charge them under the laws that we have to address that sort of thing. Trying anything unusual would have serious consequences. Best to leave the oddball judicial theories to the oddball cases.

273 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:16:32pm

re: #269 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Heh. Too bad the navy didn't have something like that when John Walker was spying for the Russians.

274 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:17:48pm

re: #270 Alouette

Does Pam even belong to a congregation?

Yeah they open their seder door to invite the poor and needy in to eat - in front of - after lecturing them to get a job!

275 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:18:32pm

Looking at some of the militia members, I don't think they could pass any PT test for any military.

276 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:18:32pm

re: #273 pingjockey

Heh. Too bad the navy didn't have something like that when John Walker was spying for the Russians.

IIRC, he was spying during the Viet Nam war. That could have brought the ultimate penalty.

277 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:19:18pm

re: #270 Alouette

Does Pam even belong to a congregation?

Yeah she belongs to the one that opens the seder door to invite Elijah in - to call him a RINO and a traitor for all of that peace and social justice stuff he is supposed to talk about!

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:19:46pm

re: #267 shiplord kirel

Of course, some of the Russian ingratitude over lend-lease is easier to understand when you realize that it reportedly included a quarter of a billion cans of Spam...

Hawaiians would have fought for us to the end of time for a quarter billion cans of Spam.

279 Mark Pennington  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:20:04pm

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

I don't know. They fit the definition as far as I can see.

Absolutely. I don't see how anyone could NOT consider them to be enemy combatants.

280 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:20:29pm

re: #270 Alouette

Does Pam even belong to a congregation?

Yeah she belongs to the one where the minhag is that vodka is the afikomen!

281 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:20:35pm

re: #276 Cannadian Club Akbar
IMO, it fucking should have.

282 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:20:38pm

re: #278 SanFranciscoZionist

Hawaiians would have fought for us to the end of time for a quarter billion cans of Spam.

Is that annual or total?

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:21:06pm

re: #270 Alouette

Does Pam even belong to a congregation?

I've no idea. I don't mean to trash another Jew right before Pesach, but I don't see much evidence that Pam's Judaism is terribly important to her outside of a very narrow political usage. She harps on it, but I don't get the impression that there's much beyond that.

I could be wrong.

284 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:21:15pm

Speaking of militants:
Minuteman Leader: When I Said To Come To The Border Locked And Loaded, I Didn't Mean Locked And Loaded

Mercer said she received a more feverish response than she expected and decided the group couldn't shoulder the responsibility and liability of what could occur, she said.

"People are ready to come locked and loaded, and that's not what we are all about," Mercer said. "It only takes one bad apple to destroy everything we've done for the last eight years."

285 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:21:18pm

re: #280 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah she belongs to the one where the minhag is that vodka is the afikomen!

Be nice, even to asshats.

286 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:21:30pm

re: #260 drcordell

If you ignore that little thing called the U.S. Constitution.

Someone can be an enemy combatant and still be a citizen. We tried both Japanese and German-Americans who fought against us during WWII. As long as the person's constitution rights are respected is the issue.

287 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:21:32pm

re: #278 SanFranciscoZionist

Hawaiians would have fought for us to the end of time for a quarter billion cans of Spam.

Spam blockade until the birth certificate is produced!!!11!!!

///

288 Olsonist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:21:59pm

Enemy Combatant

... In the case of a civil war or an insurrection the term "enemy state" may be replaced by the more general term "Party to the conflict" (as described in the 1949 Geneva Conventions Article 3).

289 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:22:27pm

re: #287 oaktree

Spam blockade until the birth certificate is produced!!!11!!!

///

And tariffs on pineapple!!!
/

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:22:39pm

re: #272 CyanSnowHawk

They haven't actually tried to do what they were talking about yet. Had they made the attempt, it would be much easier to make the case that they were trying to wage war against the US. Up to now, it's all talk and preparation. Which is enough to bring them in and charge them under the laws that we have to address that sort of thing. Trying anything unusual would have serious consequences. Best to leave the oddball judicial theories to the oddball cases.

I can see that, but if we're going to play with the idea that a Muslim extremist who is a US citizen carries out a terrorist attack on US soil is an enemy combatant, these guys also fit that definition.

I am more comfortable with treating them all simply as criminals.

291 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:22:40pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

Someone can be an enemy combatant and still be a citizen. We tried both Japanese and German-Americans who fought against us during WWII. As long as the person's constitution rights are respected is the issue.

Bill of Rights

Good stuff

292 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:23:03pm

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

I've no idea. I don't mean to trash another Jew right before Pesach, but I don't see much evidence that Pam's Judaism is terribly important to her outside of a very narrow political usage. She harps on it, but I don't get the impression that there's much beyond that.

I could be wrong.

I'm more "Jewish" than Pam. And honestly, she would not be welcome to my Seder tonight for any reason. She is an embarrassment on a number of different levels to a number of different people.

293 gamark  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:23:07pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

What makes these guys in Michigan NOT enemy combatants?

Lack of a determination of such signed by the President. If you don't like the fact they are not enemy combatants, look to Obama to blame. Maybe he's not going that route because the perps are white and love Jesus as was suggested in another thread.

294 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:23:43pm

re: #289 Cannadian Club Akbar

And tariffs on pineapple!!!
/

Now you've gone too far! I will get my Hawaiian pizza's OR THERE WILL BE BLOOD!
/

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:24:00pm

re: #279 beekiller

Absolutely. I don't see how anyone could NOT consider them to be enemy combatants.

Part of the problem, and this applies to Islamist terrorists as well, is that they're fighting on behalf of a nonexistent country.

296 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:24:07pm

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

I've no idea. I don't mean to trash another Jew right before Pesach, but I don't see much evidence that Pam's Judaism is terribly important to her outside of a very narrow political usage. She harps on it, but I don't get the impression that there's much beyond that.

I could be wrong.

I see every reason - especially before Pesach - to use her as an example of what a Jew is not.

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:24:20pm

re: #282 CyanSnowHawk

Is that annual or total?

Just keep the Spam coming.

298 Bob Levin  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:24:41pm

re: #262 LudwigVanQuixote

You too sir. I was mentioning to my son the other day--for that sentiment to really come to fruition, it's more than just making the decision to make Aliyah. I asked him to think of the monumental changes in the entire world that must occur as a foundation for that.

Essentially, it's a wish for world peace, except with feet instead of visualization and bumper stickers.

299 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:24:44pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

I can see that, but if we're going to play with the idea that a Muslim extremist who is a US citizen carries out a terrorist attack on US soil is an enemy combatant, these guys also fit that definition.

I am more comfortable with treating them all simply as criminals.

I'm more comfortable saying that I disagree with treating Padilla like an enemy combatant, and that citizens are different than noncitizens. But at least we're both being consistent about it!

300 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:24:45pm

re: #294 CyanSnowHawk

Now you've gone too far! I will get my Hawaiian pizza's OR THERE WILL BE BLOOD!
/

PINEAPPLE HAS NO PLACE ON PIZZA!!
/running and hiding at this point

301 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:24:57pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm gonna disagree with your criminal statement. The potential terrorism has for mass destruction and casulties, while using LE to catch the perps seems to be beyond "criminal". IMO

302 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:25:09pm

I think I've figured out a way to take care of the militia problem and the national debt all at once. My cunning plan is to send them a copy of "The Mouse That Roared" and tell them it's a top-secret plan on how to successfully overthrow the government.

Okay, now we let them invade and we surrender immediately.

Then we tell them about the national debt and would they please be sure to make their checks legible.

It's perfect, I tell you, perfect!

303 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:25:11pm

re: #285 Alouette

Be nice, even to asshats.

What about a rasha though who uses her Jewishness as a political device and brings down the whole people and desecrates the Name while she is at it?

304 Soap_Man  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:25:21pm

re: #236 Jaerik

You know, it's random and has nothing to do with the real subject at hand, but something I'm noticing about all these militia site links is the superfluous rank phenomenon.

Everyone seems to be a Major General or a Lieutenant Colonel or similar. Even when in "command" of like, six dudes with hunting rifles.

What gives?

Reminds me of "lieutenants" in urban drug rings. They are overseeing a couple of low-level thugs selling crack in $10 increments, and all of a sudden they are lieutenants.

305 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:25:39pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

Someone can be an enemy combatant and still be a citizen. We tried both Japanese and German-Americans who fought against us during WWII. As long as the person's constitution rights are respected is the issue.

But they were actual agents of actual nation-states. That's the key issue we're having trouble with in this brave new age.

The war was going to end someday.

306 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:26:08pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

I can see that, but if we're going to play with the idea that a Muslim extremist who is a US citizen carries out a terrorist attack on US soil is an enemy combatant, these guys also fit that definition.

I am more comfortable with treating them all simply as criminals.

"carries out"

There is the difference. Had this militia carried out their attack, it would be much easier to make the case for enemy combatant.

307 Mark Pennington  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:26:36pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

Part of the problem, and this applies to Islamist terrorists as well, is that they're fighting on behalf of a nonexistent country.

Good point. You've brought me back to reality.

308 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:26:45pm

re: #293 gamark

Lack of a determination of such signed by the President. If you don't like the fact they are not enemy combatants, look to Obama to blame. Maybe he's not going that route because the perps are white and love Jesus as was suggested in another thread.

I don't want them to be enemy combatants, I'm just trying to figure out what makes you such or not.

309 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:27:01pm

re: #298 Bob Levin

You too sir. I was mentioning to my son the other day--for that sentiment to really come to fruition, it's more than just making the decision to make Aliyah. I asked him to think of the monumental changes in the entire world that must occur as a foundation for that.

Essentially, it's a wish for world peace, except with feet instead of visualization and bumper stickers.

Now that - is the most beautifully Jewish thing I have read in a very long time.

Many rabbaim would be jealous of how perfectly you just summed up Zionism - and the three thousand year hopes of the people.

310 Lidane  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:27:02pm

re: #284 darthstar

Speaking of militants:
Minuteman Leader: When I Said To Come To The Border Locked And Loaded, I Didn't Mean Locked And Loaded

Uh...oops?

311 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:27:27pm

re: #306 CyanSnowHawk

"carries out"

There is the difference. Had this militia carried out their attack, it would be much easier to make the case for enemy combatant.

If they carried out the attack, first degree murder would be good enough, actually.

312 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:27:41pm

re: #299 Aceofwhat?

I'm more comfortable saying that I disagree with treating Padilla like an enemy combatant, and that citizens are different than noncitizens. But at least we're both being consistent about it!

I agree with you, I'm just trying to use these guys as a test case in my own mind.

313 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:27:51pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

Someone can be an enemy combatant and still be a citizen. We tried both Japanese and German-Americans who fought against us during WWII. As long as the person's constitution rights are respected is the issue.

Exactly. The supreme court cases go back to the trials of WW2 era german/u.s. citizens. The president has to be given the authority to declare citizens "enemy combatants" which they've done in the Military Commission Acts. If a citizen is picked up and declared an enemy combatant they still have the right to challenge their detention.

314 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:28:14pm

re: #294 CyanSnowHawk

Now you've gone too far! I will get my Hawaiian pizza's OR THERE WILL BE BLOOD!
/

pizza's? PIZZA'S?

Dammit.

pizzas, as in plural, not possessive. PIMF.

315 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:28:26pm

re: #296 LudwigVanQuixote

I see every reason - especially before Pesach - to use her as an example of what a Jew is not.

Adam Sandler can help

Youtube Video
316 Olsonist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:28:30pm

re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. First degree wouldn't be enough. Labeling them as enemy combatants would send a necessary message.

317 avanti  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:29:07pm

Update on the Steele strip club story from HA.

" Erik Brown, who owns Dynamic Marketing Inc. and most recently charged the Steve Poizner for Governor campaign more than $10,000 for campaign literature and mailings, was reimbursed by the RNC for the almost $2,000 in charges at Voyeur West Hollywood, according to FEC filings and online reports reviewed by The Daily Caller…

The RNC has denied that Steele spent the money at Voyeur. But it appears Brown is close to the chairman. In October, Brown wrote on Twitter, “Enjoying the football game with RNC Chairman Michael Steele. (Eagles vs Redskins at FedEx Field)”.

318 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:29:08pm

re: #300 Cannadian Club Akbar

PINEAPPLE HAS NO PLACE ON PIZZA!!
/running and hiding at this point

Splitter!
/

319 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:29:14pm

re: #315 cliffster

Adam Sandler can help


[Video]

Because of that song, his place in Olam Haba is assured!

320 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:29:37pm

re: #310 Lidane

Uh...oops?

Crazy people are literal. This is important for all conservative leadership to bear in mind right now.

321 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:29:43pm

re: #316 Olsonist

No. First degree wouldn't be enough. Labeling them as enemy combatants would send a necessary message.

I was thinking more of a death penalty thing. I do get your point, though.

322 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:29:48pm

re: #305 SanFranciscoZionist

But they were actual agents of actual nation-states. That's the key issue we're having trouble with in this brave new age.

The war was going to end someday.

True. I'm just trying to deal with the legal definitions. I'm not sure if they're entirely right in how the labels get affixed. I'm going to get something to eat. BBIAB

323 gamark  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:30:06pm

re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't want them to be enemy combatants, I'm just trying to figure out what makes you such or not.

I don't either. You ask a good question about how the determination is made. All I know is the final step on that road requires a Presidential signature before it is a done deal.

324 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:30:08pm

re: #312 SanFranciscoZionist

I agree with you, I'm just trying to use these guys as a test case in my own mind.

And I am saying they all deserve a trial and not to be tortured if we have them in custody. Shooting them if they resist arrest is OK too.

325 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:30:43pm

re: #319 LudwigVanQuixote

Because of that song, his place in Olam Haba is assured!

Or at least on the entertainment committee.

326 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:31:30pm

All this talk about pizza. Time for lunch, then a busy afternoon.

Later all.

327 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:31:47pm

Also, Bob Levin's comment really really was beautiful.

It's more than just making the decision to make Aliyah. I asked him to think of the monumental changes in the entire world that must occur as a foundation for that.

Essentially, it's a wish for world peace, except with feet instead of visualization and bumper stickers

I am going to steal that for tonight :)

328 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:32:15pm

OT, it is frakin' snowing across the the river and up on the ridge, probably about the 3000 foot level and the wind is really cold. So much for yard work.

329 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:32:21pm

re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't want them to be enemy combatants, I'm just trying to figure out what makes you such or not.

Nothing.

330 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:32:51pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

Someone can be an enemy combatant and still be a citizen. We tried both Japanese and German-Americans who fought against us during WWII. As long as the person's constitution rights are respected is the issue.

The entire point of declaring someone an enemy combatant is to deny them their Constitutional Rights. That isn't blatantly obvious?

331 Bob Levin  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:33:33pm

re: #309 LudwigVanQuixote

Thank you.

But that's pretty much the essence of the commandments. Here's what you do with your hands and feet, and Gd will give us time to let our head catch up. Which gives you an idea of how far behind our heads are.

No almost pun intended.

332 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:34:20pm

OT: Bill Kristol speaks out on the Moscow terrorist attack.

BENNETT: The Russians will be tougher than most countries on this stuff, right?

KRISTOL: Yeah, they’ve been pretty brutal in Chechnya and in some ways have brought this, I’ve got to say, on themselves.

Gotta love that analysis there. Can't wait for him to interject with that viewpoint the next time Gaza is being discussed.

333 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:34:40pm

re: #328 pingjockey

OT, it is frakin' snowing across the the river and up on the ridge, probably about the 3000 foot level and the wind is really cold. So much for yard work.

It's 70 degrees here. But the wind chill makes it feel like 68. Brr.
/

334 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:34:43pm

Later folks. Time and laundry wait for no one.

335 pingjockey  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:35:17pm

re: #333 Cannadian Club Akbar
Thbbbpphhttt!

336 Bob Levin  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:35:38pm

re: #327 LudwigVanQuixote

I gave it to you for free.

337 Barrett Brown  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:36:04pm

So, I left this comment in the other thread without realizing that everyone had run off already and that I was essentially talking to myself, except this time on the internet. Here is my comment again, then:

First off, I'd like to briefly note that the two commentators that I first point to as being incompetent and thus in need of amplified criticism are Thomas Friedman and Charles Krauthammer, one of whom is a liberal and one of whom is a conservative, and both of whom are fairly moderate in the degree of their partisanship. Based on this and perhaps the people who get their own chapters in my book - Friedman (liberal), Krauthammer (conservative), Richard Cohen (liberal), William Bennett (conservative), Martin Peretz (liberal), Robert Stacy McCain (conservative), it has been alleged by a couple of people that my project must necessarily be noticeably partisan in nature. Well done, guys.

Of course, I do end up going after more conservatives than liberals in my general output, which has been media criticism. I do so because it is easier. See above, for instance. There's a lot of nonsense that goes on at liberal blogs, but it absolutely pales in comparison to that which goes on at conservative ones. My criticism, like Charles', is generally targeted at hypocrisy, intellectual dishonesty, demonstrably untrue assertions, and anti-intellectualism, rather than something to do with an actual partisan divide on an issue such as health care. See the reaction Charles received from his former allies over the past two years or so of messy breakup. Charles hasn't changed much on issues; it just so happened that he had less tolerance for racism and hyper-nationalism and superstition and disingenuous arguments than most of the crowd he ran with.

Also, regarding this Christian/Muslim violence ratio noise, keep in mind that Christians stopped killed over religion as the Enlightenment spread; in the places where the Enlightenment have yet to saturate the culture, we see many Christians acting in the manner that Christians often behaved before the Enlightenment hit. Odd, eh? Maybe this is another case for the Little Green Footballs Street Irregulars!

338 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:36:17pm

re: #332 drcordell

OT: Bill Kristol speaks out on the Moscow terrorist attack.

BENNETT: The Russians will be tougher than most countries on this stuff, right?

KRISTOL: Yeah, they’ve been pretty brutal in Chechnya and in some ways have brought this, I’ve got to say, on themselves.

Gotta love that analysis there. Can't wait for him to interject with that viewpoint the next time Gaza is being discussed.

FU.

339 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:36:45pm

Obama wants the federal government to regulate Major League Baseball

say "not socialist" again

340 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:37:13pm

re: #331 Bob Levin

re: #336 Bob Levin

We will do then listen...

341 Lidane  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:37:34pm

re: #339 cliffster

Obama wants the federal government to regulate Major League Baseball

say "not socialist" again

Haven't people in both parties been demanding greater oversight of baseball for years now, especially due to the drug scandals?

342 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:38:20pm

re: #339 cliffster

Obama wants the federal government to regulate Major League Baseball

say "not socialist" again

Not socialist.

Regulation does not mean socialism! It means regulation.

343 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:38:47pm

re: #341 Lidane

Haven't people in both parties been demanding greater oversight of baseball for years now, especially due to the drug scandals?

Yes, they have. But it's more fun to be partisan! Oh partisan, so partisan...

344 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:39:08pm

re: #341 Lidane

re: #342 WindUpBird

hehe, you guys didn't click on the link did you

345 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:39:31pm

re: #339 cliffster

Obama wants the federal government to regulate Major League Baseball

say "not socialist" again

I'd love to be at that game. Hopefully the crowd will get into a "Yes we did!" chant.

346 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:39:40pm

re: #341 Lidane

re: #342 WindUpBird

Did either of you read the article?

347 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:40:00pm

re: #344 cliffster

re: #342 WindUpBird

hehe, you guys didn't click on the link did you

*snicker*

348 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:40:10pm

re: #345 darthstar

I'd love to be at that game. Hopefully the crowd will get into a "Yes we did!" chant.

Followed closely by a "Oh no you di'int!"

349 garhighway  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:40:40pm

re: #342 WindUpBird

Not socialist.

Regulation does not mean socialism! It means regulation.

Why do you insist on giving words their actual meaning? Don't you know that denies people their God-given right to make shit up?

350 Lidane  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:40:43pm

re: #344 cliffster

re: #342 WindUpBird

hehe, you guys didn't click on the link did you

Pfft. Clicking links is for squares. =P

351 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:40:50pm

re: #344 cliffster

re: #342 WindUpBird

hehe, you guys didn't click on the link did you

haha no I didn't, well played sir

352 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:41:05pm

re: #349 garhighway

Why do you insist on giving words their actual meaning? Don't you know that denies people their God-given right to make shit up?

hahaha it's okay he totally got me XD

353 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:41:12pm

One of the "funny" things about militias is their rhetoric about saving us all from tyranny by nobly standing up to govt. As if these simpletons with their (largely homemade) private arsenals had the ability to stand up to law enforcement, the National Guard and the US military.

And then when their plans are exposed, it's nothing more than standard issue chickenshit terrorism--kill a cop and blow shit up. What courage in the face of tyranny.

354 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:41:53pm

re: #350 Lidane

Pfft. Clicking links is for squares. =P

Also for people who have properly woken up! I'm only on my first 300 mg of caffiene, whadda ya want from me?!?!

355 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:43:33pm

re: #345 darthstar

I'd love to be at that game. Hopefully the crowd will get into a "Yes we did!" chant.

Imagine the outcry from right-wing blogs if he throws it in the dirt. "Obama can't throw a baseball - HE'S NOT A CITIZEN ANY AMERICAN BOY CAN THROW A BASEBALL SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE"

356 Lidane  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:43:33pm

re: #354 WindUpBird

Also for people who have properly woken up! I'm only on my first 300 mg of caffiene, whadda ya want from me?!?!

That's more than I've had. I haven't even had my first cup of coffee of the day. Guess that was a sign I should go make some. Heh.

357 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:44:18pm

re: #339 cliffster

Obama wants the federal government to regulate Major League Baseball

say "not socialist" again

This is outrageous! It's finally gone too far! What's next? I can hear it now:

AP Exclusive: The Obama Administration has announced plans to take overall control of Major League Baseball. Robert Gibbs was quoted as saying: "Our first step will be to Nationalize the American league, followed immediately by Americanizing the National league. Reporters were stunned."

358 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:44:22pm

re: #332 drcordell

OT: Bill Kristol speaks out on the Moscow terrorist attack.

BENNETT: The Russians will be tougher than most countries on this stuff, right?

KRISTOL: Yeah, they’ve been pretty brutal in Chechnya and in some ways have brought this, I’ve got to say, on themselves.

Gotta love that analysis there. Can't wait for him to interject with that viewpoint the next time Gaza is being discussed.

And fuck you once again for your total, willful ignorance of the state of affairs in Israel.

359 ShaunP  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:44:43pm

re: #355 cliffster

Imagine the outcry from right-wing blogs if he throws it in the dirt. "Obama can't throw a baseball - HE'S NOT A CITIZEN ANY AMERICAN BOY CAN THROW A BASEBALL SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE"

Socialist, communist and throws like a girl? He MUST be the antichrist!

///

360 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:44:58pm

re: #343 WindUpBird

Yes, they have. But it's more fun to be partisan! Oh partisan, so partisan...

I prefer ptarmigan.

361 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:45:14pm

re: #355 cliffster

Imagine the outcry from right-wing blogs if he throws it in the dirt. "Obama can't throw a baseball - HE'S NOT A CITIZEN ANY AMERICAN BOY CAN THROW A BASEBALL SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE"

He bounced his pitch at the All Star game last year...and yes, the response was as you described it above. I think this time he'll hit the plate.

362 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:45:34pm

re: #357 subsailor68

This is outrageous! It's finally gone too far! What's next? I can hear it now:

AP Exclusive: The Obama Administration has announced plans to take overall control of Major League Baseball. Robert Gibbs was quoted as saying: "Our first step will be to Nationalize the American league, followed immediately by Americanizing the National league. Reporters were stunned."

If the get rid of the DH, I'm with them!!

363 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:46:04pm

re: #339 cliffster

Socialist? All I see is some stuff about throwing out the first pitch at a Nationals game.

Which is not a great idea--Obama looks way more comfortable on a hoops court, and he kinda throws like my wife.

364 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:46:07pm

re: #353 palomino

One of the "funny" things about militias is their rhetoric about saving us all from tyranny by nobly standing up to govt. As if these simpletons with their (largely homemade) private arsenals had the ability to stand up to law enforcement, the National Guard and the US military.

I sorta wonder about that. Because they can't intellectually believe that they can stand up to the US. I think what it is, it's like a power fantasy, like what kids have, why they read comic books, why they like stories about kids like them with magical powers, Harry Potter, and so on.

But some people, they just sorta get further into a power fantasty, and they don't come out, and thus we have militias. All the fantasies about society breaking down, we'll kick ass, we've got guns, we'll be the saviors and the badass dudes from movie X with the compound. It sounds pretty cool It must be bewitching and really exciting when you're around all these other guys who believe the same thing.

I think some of them end at the "let's play pretend in the forest" sort of thing, and then the creepy, really creepy ones who really start to believe their own rhetoric, they become dangerous, because they're surrounded by fanatics as well, there's nobody to tell them they can't.

Anyway, just waking up. Thoughts!

366 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:46:32pm

re: #361 darthstar

He bounced his pitch at the All Star game last year...and yes, the response was as you described it above. I think this time he'll hit the plate.

George Bush could throw.
/partisan hack, I am!!

367 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:46:41pm

re: #355 cliffster

Imagine the outcry from right-wing blogs if he throws it in the dirt. "Obama can't throw a baseball - HE'S NOT A CITIZEN ANY AMERICAN BOY CAN THROW A BASEBALL SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE"

If he wears his "mom" jeans again and throws like a girl then I'm definitely making fun of him.

368 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:46:57pm

re: #362 Cannadian Club Akbar

If the get rid of the DH, I'm with them!!

You must mean the DHS - Department of Homerun Security.

;-)

369 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:47:07pm

re: #357 subsailor68

This is outrageous! It's finally gone too far! What's next? I can hear it now:

AP Exclusive: The Obama Administration has announced plans to take overall control of Major League Baseball. Robert Gibbs was quoted as saying: "Our first step will be to Nationalize the American league, followed immediately by Americanizing the National league. Reporters were stunned."

Funny...but how will that affect the rule for the Designated Banter?

370 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:47:26pm

re: #355 cliffster

Imagine the outcry from right-wing blogs if he throws it in the dirt. "Obama can't throw a baseball - HE'S NOT A CITIZEN ANY AMERICAN BOY CAN THROW A BASEBALL SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE"

THAT LIMP HARVARD NANCY BOY :D

Personally, I sorta want to see him bowl again, like for charity. And he has to get at least one spare!

371 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:47:45pm

re: #338 Walter L. Newton

FU.

re: #358 Cato the Elder

And fuck you once again for your total, willful ignorance of the state of affairs in Israel.

GM are equally crude!

372 Bob Levin  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:47:47pm

Okay Lizard kiddos, time to fire up the oven, and go for the quantum leap. Happy Passover to all.

373 Soap_Man  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:47:54pm

re: #344 cliffster

re: #342 WindUpBird

hehe, you guys didn't click on the link did you

Well played sir, well played.

374 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:48:16pm

re: #372 Bob Levin

Okay Lizard kiddos, time to fire up the oven, and go for the quantum leap. Happy Passover to all.

You too.

375 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:48:18pm

re: #366 Cannadian Club Akbar

George Bush could throw.
/partisan hack, I am!!

We all live in cities, so there's no place to play catch. :D I would also trust Republicans for barbecue. McCain's barbecue looked tasty!

376 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:48:25pm

re: #370 WindUpBird

THAT LIMP HARVARD NANCY BOY :D

Personally, I sorta want to see him bowl again, like for charity. And he has to get at least one spare!

My bar tab is higher than his bowling score.:)

377 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:48:28pm

re: #342 WindUpBird

Not socialist.

Regulation does not mean socialism! It means regulation.

Cliffster would fit right in with the TeaBaggers that the NYtimes interviewed for their latest article. Like the gentleman who blames the Government for implementing the free trade policies that cost him his job, but also thinks the Government controls too much...

378 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:48:35pm

re: #365 Gus 802

Mugshots of Christian Militia members indicted on cop killer plot.

Associated article at ABC.

They were all WOMEN? I didn't know that.

379 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:48:50pm

I also have to run. I hope that everyone is well. I hope that everyone has a great holiday. I hope that everyone savors freedom.

380 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:48:57pm

re: #372 Bob Levin

Okay Lizard kiddos, time to fire up the oven, and go for the quantum leap. Happy Passover to all.

And you sir.

381 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:49:00pm

re: #373 Soap_Man

Well played sir, well played.

it was totally the digital kick me sign, I walked right into it XD

382 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:49:08pm

re: #364 WindUpBird

A lot of militia peeps remind me of LARPers. It's just military based rather then wizards and dragons.

383 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:49:11pm

re: #365 Gus 802

Mugshots of Christian Militia members indicted on cop killer plot.

Associated article at ABC.

Ooh...that lady's hot! Not.

384 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:49:13pm

re: #337 Barrett Brown

Didn't Thomas Friedman just write a column about being a centrist? He's neither liberal nor conservative, in any true sense of the word.

Well done, guy.

385 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:49:21pm

re: #379 LudwigVanQuixote

I also have to run. I hope that everyone is well. I hope that everyone has a great holiday. I hope that everyone savors freedom.

On that we can agree. Have a good holiday.

386 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:49:38pm

re: #358 Cato the Elder

And fuck you once again for your total, willful ignorance of the state of affairs in Israel.

Care to actually add anything substantive? Or will you just continue to hurl invectives?

387 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:49:39pm

re: #365 Gus 802

Mugshots of Christian Militia members indicted on cop killer plot.

Associated article at ABC.

ZOMG! Can you say "genetic cesspool"?

388 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:50:09pm

Anyone watch the Simpsons episode last night? There was a pretty funny passover joke in there.

389 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:50:11pm

re: #376 Cannadian Club Akbar

My bar tab is higher than his bowling score.:)

Thankfully, there's no nation that considers being a bad bowler to being a diplomatic snafu. :D

390 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:50:16pm

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

They were all WOMEN? I didn't know that.

One woman...the rest are men.

391 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:50:22pm

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

They were all WOMEN? I didn't know that.

All women?

392 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:51:04pm

re: #370 WindUpBird

THAT LIMP HARVARD NANCY BOY :D

Personally, I sorta want to see him bowl again, like for charity. And he has to get at least one spare!

After his late-night gaffe, several Special Olympics bowlers offered him private lessons. I think he should take them up on it before trying again in public.

393 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:51:31pm

re: #386 drcordell

Care to actually add anything substantive? Or will you just continue to hurl invectives?

i, for one, have no illusions about who lacks substance on the topic of Israel.

394 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:51:55pm

re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist

After his late-night gaffe, several Special Olympics bowlers offered him private lessons. I think he should take them up on it before trying again in public.

or just go ahead and wear a helmet the next time he bowls.

395 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:52:05pm

re: #387 Cato the Elder

ZOMG! Can you say "genetic cesspool"?

More of a gene puddle or wetlands than an actual pool.

396 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:52:08pm

re: #382 Jadespring

A lot of militia peeps remind me of LARPers. It's just military based rather then wizards and dragons.

Well, the nicer ones, I guess. But once they get out of the "we have toys and we look awesome in photos" and into the realm of crazy separatist rhetoric... I know a few larpers, most of them are just really normal boring geeks, a little disconnected, but still nice people. They're a lot like hard core World of Warcraft players. Very into this ONE THING, and they organize their life around the one thing.

I stayed with tabletop games, because you can't drink beer while LARPing :D

397 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:52:08pm

re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist

After his late-night gaffe, several Special Olympics bowlers offered him private lessons. I think he should take them up on it before trying again in public.

Or invite them to the WH. There has to be a national bowling day.

398 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:52:18pm

re: #387 Cato the Elder

ZOMG! Can you say "genetic cesspool"?

Cletus doesn't fall far from the tree.

/

399 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:53:09pm

re: #393 Aceofwhat?

i, for one, have no illusions about who lacks substance on the topic of Israel.

How exactly is Kristol's comment not applicable to the situation outside of Russia? You have an isolated city filled with Muslims, surrounded by a state attempting to quell the violence there. And the Muslims in that city react to the occupation of their territory with terrorist attacks against civilians.

400 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:53:16pm

re: #386 drcordell

Care to actually add anything substantive? Or will you just continue to hurl invectives?

And what? You #332 was your Masters Thesis? Jerk.

401 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:54:07pm

re: #390 darthstar

One woman...the rest are men.

re: #391 Gus 802

All women?

They look like woman to me?

402 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:54:22pm

re: #400 Walter L. Newton

And what? You #332 was your Masters Thesis? Jerk.

Explain to me how the situation in Chechnya isn't an applicable corollary to that in Gaza?

403 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:54:25pm

re: #392 SanFranciscoZionist

After his late-night gaffe, several Special Olympics bowlers offered him private lessons. I think he should take them up on it before trying again in public.

Ya gotta see them bowl! I've been to Special Olympics events, because I've had to take clients from the facilities I've worked at to them.

This one guy, he was in the special olympics, but I swear he was like a ringer. He was unstoppable, he had that ball spin down, like pro bowlers do, he was bowling just spares and strikes all over the place, I couldn't believe it. He had some disability but it sure didn't matter to the bowling!

404 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:54:44pm

re: #399 drcordell

How exactly is Kristol's comment not applicable to the situation outside of Russia? You have an isolated city filled with Muslims, surrounded by a state attempting to quell the violence there. And the Muslims in that city react to the occupation of their territory with terrorist attacks against civilians.

it's sooo someone else's turn here...

405 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:54:46pm

re: #401 Walter L. Newton

They look like woman to me?

Perhaps an eye exam might be in order.

406 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:55:08pm

re: #397 Cannadian Club Akbar

Or invite them to the WH. There has to be a national bowling day.

Like a day of mourning. A National Day of Bowling...

407 Lidane  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:55:18pm

re: #382 Jadespring

A lot of militia peeps remind me of LARPers. It's just military based rather then wizards and dragons.

Yeah, but LARPers are more likely to brew their own mead and ale, which is always a plus. Besides, a LARPer with a longsword is much easier to deal with than some militia guy with a machine gun.

A buddy of mine actually does what he calls "living history", which is like LARP, but military based. He and his friends come up here to Camp Mabry now and again to do WW1 based stuff. They have the uniforms, the gear, the vehicles, etc. It's pretty neat.

408 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:55:43pm

re: #398 Gus 802

Cletus doesn't fall far from the tree.

/

That is my Mom's middle name.... after her grandfather.

Poor gal...

409 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:55:58pm

re: #406 WindUpBird

Like a day of mourning. A National Day of Bowling...

They have their own Congress!!
[Link: bowl.com...]

410 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:56:06pm

re: #404 Aceofwhat?

it's sooo someone else's turn here...

I'll try!

Okay there's these guys in Russia, and they've got this psychic bald guy named Yuri, and tesla tanks and oh wait that's not real, that's Red Alert

411 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:56:27pm

re: #401 Walter L. Newton

They look like woman to me?

Ah. Maybe they've been drinking mares' urine. Most of them look kind of chinless.

/

412 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:56:34pm

re: #410 WindUpBird

I'll try!

Okay there's these guys in Russia, and they've got this psychic bald guy named Yuri, and tesla tanks and oh wait that's not real, that's Red Alert

damn...i liked yours better/

413 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:57:06pm

re: #404 Aceofwhat?

it's sooo someone else's turn here...

It's sooooo time to GAZE... I don't talk to Jew haters.

414 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:57:28pm

re: #407 Lidane

Yeah, but LARPers are more likely to brew their own mead and ale, which is always a plus. Besides, a LARPer with a longsword is much easier to deal with than some militia guy with a machine gun.

A buddy of mine actually does what he calls "living history", which is like LARP, but military based. He and his friends come up here to Camp Mabry now and again to do WW1 based stuff. They have the uniforms, the gear, the vehicles, etc. It's pretty neat.

Yeah, there's sort of a continuum between LARPERS (fantasy, tossing dice, kobolds, no awesome hardware, lots of foam axes) and war reenactment (fewer saving throws versus Stinking Cloud, no elves in bikinis, but way more awesome hardware)

415 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:57:44pm

re: #404 Aceofwhat?

it's sooo someone else's turn here...

Cato clearly has nothing to say besides a few pedantic swears. Clearly if he had something pithy to say he wouldn't have told me to fuck off. My point is this: Russia was attacked by Islamic terrorists. Kristol's first reaction is to say "they brought this upon themselves" because of their violent siege of Chechnya. I'm not asking anyone to defend Kristol, I think he's a fucking idiot. I'm confused because he's a NeoCon, and a staunch, staunch supporter of Israel's actions.

416 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:57:45pm

re: #396 WindUpBird

Well, the nicer ones, I guess. But once they get out of the "we have toys and we look awesome in photos" and into the realm of crazy separatist rhetoric... I know a few larpers, most of them are just really normal boring geeks, a little disconnected, but still nice people. They're a lot like hard core World of Warcraft players. Very into this ONE THING, and they organize their life around the one thing.

I stayed with tabletop games, because you can't drink beer while LARPing :D

Yeah I just meant more in the sense of just playing a fantasy. You're totally correct though about the problems when the fantasy starts bleeding into the real world more and more.

I don't have a problem with playing fantasy as a general rule and I have been to a LARP event though didn't dress up. It was hilarious and pretty fun bit of escapism.

417 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:58:03pm

Happy Passover to those celebrating and may next year be in Jerusalem.

Hasta!

418 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:58:21pm

re: #408 Ericus58

That is my Mom's middle name... after her grandfather.

Poor gal...

Really? Damn. I blame Matt Groening. /

419 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:58:33pm

re: #364 WindUpBird

I think you're right. Except for the most deluded, it's all just role playing in the service of wish fulfillment.

Then again, the tea parties have plenty of bluster about second civil wars and second American Revolutions.

420 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:58:35pm

re: #413 Walter L. Newton

It's sooo time to GAZE... I don't talk to Jew haters.

And I don't talk to senile idiots who blindly throw around baseless claims of anti-Semitism. FUCK YOU for calling me a Jew-hater.

421 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:58:36pm

re: #412 Aceofwhat?

damn...i liked yours better/

Everything I know about foreign policy I learned from Dune :D

422 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 12:59:45pm

re: #416 Jadespring

Yeah I just meant more in the sense of just playing a fantasy. You're totally correct though about the problems when the fantasy starts bleeding into the real world more and more.

I don't have a problem with playing fantasy as a general rule and I have been to a LARP event though didn't dress up. It was hilarious and pretty fun bit of escapism.

Yeah, that's just t. People go around the bend on this stuff, but when nerds do it, they just retreat into themselves. When these guys do it, they've actually got firearms and a fantasy that they're revolutionaries. Scary.

423 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:00:05pm

re: #417 lawhawk

Happy Passover to those celebrating and may next year be in Jerusalem.

Hasta!

Same to you Lawhawk (yes, this atheist goy celebrates Passover, we have 14 people coming over in a while).

424 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:00:13pm

re: #421 WindUpBird

Everything I know about foreign policy I learned from Dune :D

"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work"

425 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:00:20pm

re: #413 Walter L. Newton

I don't talk to Jew haters.

This seems rather unwarranted. :/

426 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:00:22pm

re: #407 Lidane

Yeah, but LARPers are more likely to brew their own mead and ale, which is always a plus. Besides, a LARPer with a longsword is much easier to deal with than some militia guy with a machine gun.

A buddy of mine actually does what he calls "living history", which is like LARP, but military based. He and his friends come up here to Camp Mabry now and again to do WW1 based stuff. They have the uniforms, the gear, the vehicles, etc. It's pretty neat.

Living history RP is fun.

427 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:01:00pm

I would imagine that Walter thinks the reason why re: #425 WindUpBird

This seems rather unwarranted. :/

Yeah no kidding. Walter seems to be the type who thinks his waiter is an anti-Semite for bringing him a bowl of lukewarm soup.

428 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:01:26pm

re: #426 Jadespring

Living history RP is fun.

Not so much if you're on the "losing side"...

429 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:01:30pm

PIMF.

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:01:49pm

re: #415 drcordell

Cato clearly has nothing to say besides a few pedantic swears. Clearly if he had something pithy to say he wouldn't have told me to fuck off. My point is this: Russia was attacked by Islamic terrorists. Kristol's first reaction is to say "they brought this upon themselves" because of their violent siege of Chechnya. I'm not asking anyone to defend Kristol, I think he's a fucking idiot. I'm confused because he's a NeoCon, and a staunch, staunch supporter of Israel's actions.

1. Kristol should watch his mouth. Nearly forty civilians are dead, and whatever Russia's sins, and they are many, nobody on the Moscow Metro deserved to be murdered in a terrorist attack.

2. Russia's record in Chechnya is horrible, and bears no resemblance to Israel's record in Gaza.

3. In most other ways, the two situation bear no resemblance to one another, historically or militarily.

431 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:03:09pm

re: #420 drcordell

And I don't talk to senile idiots who blindly throw around baseless claims of anti-Semitism. FUCK YOU for calling me a Jew-hater.

You have page after page archived here, there is nothing baseless about my statement... unless you just want to cop to being clueless.

And on top of everything, you jump in here today making asinine baseless statements like you did on the "eve" of a very important Jewish holiday.

That in itself speaks VOLUMES to your intentions.

432 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:03:10pm

re: #427 drcordell

Makes me think of Uncle Leo on Seinfeld.

433 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:03:13pm

This was posted once before here, and worthy of being revisited.
Thanks, Charles.

[Link: www.michaelyon-online.com...]

434 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:03:36pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

Did anyone say they were related? Anyone worth mentioning, that is

435 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:03:52pm

re: #428 MrSilverDragon

Not so much if you're on the "losing side"...

Unless you decided to "revise" it.

"Hey, when did the Romans get pickup trucks?"

436 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:03:56pm

re: #427 drcordell

I would imagine that Walter thinks the reason why

Yeah no kidding. Walter seems to be the type who thinks his waiter is an anti-Semite for bringing him a bowl of lukewarm soup.

I don't weigh in on Israel/Palestine hardly ever because I just don't have any real familiarity with it, and everyone who has an opinion on it here is very familiar.

I mean it when I say I don't really get foreign policy. Much more interested in domestic policy, housing markets, health care, social services, education. That stuff I understand!

437 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:04:46pm

re: #337 Barrett Brown

So, I left this comment in the other thread without realizing that everyone had run off already and that I was essentially talking to myself, except this time on the internet. Here is my comment again, then:

First off, I'd like to briefly note that the two commentators that whom I first point to as being incompetent and thus in need of amplified criticism are Thomas Friedman and Charles Krauthammer, one of whom is a liberal and one of whom is the other a conservative, and both of whom while both are fairly moderate in the degree of their partisanship. Based on this and perhaps the people who get their own chapters in my book [rewrite needed! --ed.] - Friedman (liberal), Krauthammer (conservative), Richard Cohen (liberal), William Bennett (conservative), Martin Peretz (liberal), Robert Stacy McCain (conservative white supremacist), - it has been alleged by a couple of people that my project must necessarily be noticeably partisan in nature. Well done, guys.

Of course, I do end up going after more conservatives than liberals in my general output, which has been media criticism. I do so because it is easier. [not a flattering admission. --ed.] See above, for instance. There's a lot of nonsense that goes on at liberal blogs, but it absolutely pales in comparison to that which goes on at conservative ones. My criticism, like Charles' Charles's, is generally targeted at hypocrisy, intellectual dishonesty, demonstrably untrue assertions, and anti-intellectualism, rather than something to do with an actual partisan divide on an issue such as health care. See the reaction Charles received from his former allies over the past two years or so of messy breakup. Charles hasn't changed much on issues; it just so happened that he had less tolerance for racism and hyper-nationalism and superstition and disingenuous arguments than most of the crowd he ran with.

Also, regarding this Christian/Muslim violence ratio noise, keep in mind that Christians stopped killed over religion as the Enlightenment spread; in the places where the Enlightenment have has yet to saturate the culture, we see many Christians acting in the manner that like Christians often behaved before the Enlightenment hit. Odd, eh? Maybe this is another case for the Little Green Footballs Street Irregulars! [where did you get that stupid name? --ed.]

Please see my offer of expert editing for your project on the previous thread. If you seriously intend to take down the Friedmans, Krauthammers, etc., you're going to need it, and I say that with all due respect.

438 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:04:57pm

re: #431 Walter L. Newton

You have page after page archived here, there is nothing baseless about my statement... unless you just want to cop to being clueless.

And on top of everything, you jump in here today making asinine baseless statements like you did on the "eve" of a very important Jewish holiday.

That in itself speaks VOLUMES to your intentions.

Yeah Walter. It's all part of my "sekrit" plot to ruin Passover by logging into LGF. Maybe you should lay off the wine before your Seder starts...

439 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:06:09pm

re: #419 palomino

I think you're right. Except for the most deluded, it's all just role playing in the service of wish fulfillment.

Then again, the tea parties have plenty of bluster about second civil wars and second American Revolutions.

They started cosplaying! They have the tri-corner hats. Now if only they'd have a convention and some re-enactments instead of trying to primary elections with wackos :D

440 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:06:15pm

re: #425 WindUpBird

This seems rather unwarranted. :/

I understand what you are saying, but no, not in this case. It would be like me coming on line here and pissing on Christians on Easter Sunday. Dr. Cordell has not sense of decorum, he has the sensitivity of a dead fish, and I find no reason to cut him any slack.

441 Altermite  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:06:31pm

re: #438 drcordell

Yeah Walter. It's all part of my "sekrit" plot to ruin Passover by logging into LGF. Maybe you should lay off the wine before your Seder starts...

Walter isn't jewish.

442 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:07:09pm

re: #377 drcordell

Cliffster would fit right in with the TeaBaggers that the NYtimes interviewed for their latest article. Like the gentleman who blames the Government for implementing the free trade policies that cost him his job, but also thinks the Government controls too much...

Why do you say that, drcordell? Is there any thought behind that at all, or just mindless lashing out?

443 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:07:22pm

re: #431 Walter L. Newton

You have page after page archived here, there is nothing baseless about my statement... unless you just want to cop to being clueless.

And on top of everything, you jump in here today making asinine baseless statements like you did on the "eve" of a very important Jewish holiday.

That in itself speaks VOLUMES to your intentions.

Go find me a single anti-Semitic statement. If there is "page after page" archived here, it should be more than easy. You don't have jack shit.

444 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:07:49pm

re: #442 cliffster

Why do you say that, drcordell? Is there any thought behind that at all, or just mindless lashing out?

Your comment regarding "regulation of baseball" being socialism.

445 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:07:51pm

re: #438 drcordell

Yeah Walter. It's all part of my "sekrit" plot to ruin Passover by logging into LGF. Maybe you should lay off the wine before your Seder starts...

I don't drink. If I did, there would be a chance that I could just chalk up your hatred to myself being overly sensitive.

446 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:08:08pm

re: #442 cliffster

Why do you say that, drcordell? Is there any thought behind that at all, or just mindless lashing out?

You made a joke, me thinks.

447 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:08:21pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

1. Kristol should watch his mouth. Nearly forty civilians are dead, and whatever Russia's sins, and they are many, nobody on the Moscow Metro deserved to be murdered in a terrorist attack.

2. Russia's record in Chechnya is horrible, and bears no resemblance to Israel's record in Gaza.

3. In most other ways, the two situation bear no resemblance to one another, historically or militarily.

I will weigh in just enough to say I cannot stand Kristol. :D

I also think that to call Chechnyans "islamic terrorists" sorta blames the situation on Islam, which I think is way off base. It's complicated enough that it made my eyes glaze over trying to follow it, so it's probably a little more complex than that!

448 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:08:24pm

re: #440 Walter L. Newton

I understand what you are saying, but no, not in this case. It would be like me coming on line here and pissing on Christians on Easter Sunday. Dr. Cordell has not sense of decorum, he has the sensitivity of a dead fish, and I find no reason to cut him any slack.

What in the FUCK are you talking about man? Where am I "pissing" on Jews? You have lost your marbles.

449 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:08:31pm

re: #443 drcordell

dude, when the atheist thinks you have a problem, you may have a problem.

450 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:08:49pm

re: #444 drcordell

Your comment regarding "regulation of baseball" being socialism.

It was a joke, follow the link. ;-)

451 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:08:56pm

re: #449 Aceofwhat?

dude, when the atheist thinks you have a problem, you may have a problem.

He's out of his mind.

452 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:09:01pm

re: #439 WindUpBird

They started cosplaying! They have the tri-corner hats. Now if only they'd have a convention and some re-enactments instead of trying to primary elections with wackos :D

It's a pity. I've always wanted an eighteenth century reenactment group that was social/political, instead of military.

This is NOT exactly what I had in mind, though.

453 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:09:14pm

re: #450 WindUpBird

It was a joke, follow the link. ;-)

Ah, see there we go. I must have missed that one. My apologies.

454 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:09:49pm

re: #445 Walter L. Newton

I don't drink. If I did, there would be a chance that I could just chalk up your hatred to myself being overly sensitive.

What hatred? Where? What in God's name are you talking about?

455 keloyd  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:10:14pm

re: #339 cliffster

Obama wants the federal government to regulate Major League Baseball

say "not socialist" again

You win the Internet.

456 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:10:39pm

Cliffster, you get my next 5 updings!!

457 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:10:55pm

re: #444 drcordell

Your comment regarding "regulation of baseball" being socialism.

hehe, you are a moron.

458 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:11:00pm

re: #452 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a pity. I've always wanted an eighteenth century reenactment group that was social/political, instead of military.

This is NOT exactly what I had in mind, though.

Well, if you go to a big gaming con, there's this game called Diplomacy...

though I think that's more modern. I know there's period tea parties and costume events where people do the whole Regency england thing. It seems like it's more for the benefit of people with mad sewing skills so they can show off their period costumes, tho :D

459 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:11:03pm

hahahahahaha

White dude on C-SPAN sees a conspiracy in so many black Americans calling in on Republican and Independent lines.

[Link: wonkette.com...]

Really, the phone calls to CSPAN can be comic gold.
I don't know how the folks working for CPAN manage to keep a straight face.

460 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:11:07pm

re: #441 Altermite

Walter isn't jewish.

Correct. I am a atheist, and there will be 14 people over here tonight celebrating Passover, in varying degrees of Jewishness, some Jews, some gentiles, some atheist and a pagan or two. My step daughters are Jewish (and atheists), but we are all Zionist, and we celebrate Passover mainly because of the very ecumenical theme of freedom, which most all people can relate to.

461 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:12:15pm

re: #460 Walter L. Newton

Correct. I am a atheist, and there will be 14 people over here tonight celebrating Passover, in varying degrees of Jewishness, some Jews, some gentiles, some atheist and a pagan or two. My step daughters are Jewish (and atheists), but we are all Zionist, and we celebrate Passover mainly because of the very ecumenical theme of freedom, which most all people can relate to.

Except me. Because I'm an anti-Semite and I hate Jews and I want to destroy their Passover by logging onto LGF and posting mean things about Bill Kristol.

462 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:12:50pm

re: #457 cliffster

hehe, you are a moron.

Yes I are.

463 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:14:04pm

re: #460 Walter L. Newton

Correct. I am a atheist, and there will be 14 people over here tonight celebrating Passover, in varying degrees of Jewishness, some Jews, some gentiles, some atheist and a pagan or two. My step daughters are Jewish (and atheists), but we are all Zionist, and we celebrate Passover mainly because of the very ecumenical theme of freedom, which most all people can relate to.

And considering the holiday, I have to apologize to Dr. Cordell for my attitude. I really should not be arguing this topic on a day which speaks to freedom for all human kind. Not very smart of me in the first place.

I'm sorry.

464 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:14:12pm

re: #437 Cato the Elder

[...] while both are fairly moderate in the degree of their partisanship [...]

ΠΙΜΦ. Even editors need editors, quod erat demonstrandum.

465 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:14:44pm

Gotta go chase after my new cats, they are into something

They're both tiny and evil, little half size devon rex monsters, they're like devil money cats

466 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:15:25pm

re: #465 WindUpBird

MONKEY cats, PIMF lol

467 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:15:51pm

re: #466 WindUpBird

MONKEY cats, PIMF lol

I liked money cats, myself.

468 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:15:53pm

Dishwasher not getting your dishes clean? Don't trash it in favor of a more expensive one. Just quit loading it like a dumbass

Articles full of insight like this make technology SO worth the hassle.

469 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:15:57pm

re: #465 WindUpBird

Gotta go chase after my new cats, they are into something

They're both tiny and evil, little half size devon rex monsters, they're like devil money cats

I love tiny, evil devil money cats...I like devil monkey cats too....

470 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:15:59pm

re: #444 drcordell

Your comment regarding "regulation of baseball" being socialism.

Did you click the link at the comment?

471 Mark Pennington  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:16:08pm

Check out their myspace that was deleted.

Don't Tread On Me!

472 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:16:31pm

re: #463 Walter L. Newton

And considering the holiday, I have to apologize to Dr. Cordell for my attitude. I really should not be arguing this topic on a day which speaks to freedom for all human kind. Not very smart of me in the first place.

I'm sorry.

I have no problem with your attitude. I have an immense problem with your baseless claims of anti-Semitism. If I had said anything hateful, I should be rightfully pilloried and freely insulted and derided, Passover or not. However, I have done nothing of the sort.

473 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:17:22pm

re: #470 reine.de.tout

Did you click the link at the comment?

Cliffster won the day. And a cookie.

474 ShaunP  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:17:49pm

re: #472 drcordell

I have no problem with your attitude. I have an immense problem with your baseless claims of anti-Semitism. If I had said anything hateful, I should be rightfully pilloried and freely insulted and derided, Passover or not. However, I have done nothing of the sort.

But since Walter is trying to extend an olive branch, can we put the vitriol to rest?

475 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:18:52pm

re: #468 cliffster

Dishwasher not getting your dishes clean? Don't trash it in favor of a more expensive one. Just quit loading it like a dumbass

Articles full of insight like this make technology SO worth the hassle.

We dur, I was loading it like a dumbass.
The hubby and I always get in an argument about how I load the dishwasher. I hate when he is right.

(but my standard response still stands "if you don't like the way I do it then you can do it yourself")

476 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:19:15pm

re: #473 Cannadian Club Akbar

Cliffster won the day. And a cookie.

Cookie?? Where's my cookie?

477 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:19:23pm

re: #461 drcordell

Except me. Because I'm an anti-Semite and I hate Jews and I want to destroy their Passover by logging onto LGF and posting mean things about Bill Kristol.

Not at all. You're just a garden-variety moral equivocationist with a vocation for shit-stirring. Sometimes I dig it, sometimes I don't.

Now go take a rolling fuck at a flying doughnut.

478 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:19:50pm

re: #467 Cannadian Club Akbar

I liked money cats, myself.

They're so money and they don't even know it!

479 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:19:54pm

re: #474 ShaunP

But since Walter is trying to extend an olive branch, can we put the vitriol to rest?

Not until he retracts his completely baseless claims that I am a "Jew-hater." I'm not accepting an apology that apologizes merely for the fact that he shouldn't have brought it up on Passover.

480 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:19:56pm

re: #468 cliffster

Dishwasher not getting your dishes clean? Don't trash it in favor of a more expensive one. Just quit loading it like a dumbass

Articles full of insight like this make technology SO worth the hassle.

Good grief.
People can't figure that out without an article to tell them how to load a dishwasher?

481 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:20:22pm

re: #468 cliffster

Dishwasher not getting your dishes clean? Don't trash it in favor of a more expensive one. Just quit loading it like a dumbass

Articles full of insight like this make technology SO worth the hassle.

I have never, and never will, own a dishwasher.

482 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:20:55pm

re: #480 reine.de.tout

Good grief.
People can't figure that out without an article to tell them how to load a dishwasher?

ahahaha that's me, I'm that guy

483 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:20:57pm

re: #475 webevintage

That's a good response. For me and my wife, the question is always, how can you tell if the dishes are clean, or dirty? Usually it's obvious, but sometimes it's not. Nothing sucks more than unloading a full dishwasher, only to realize it hadn't been run, and you just mixed dirty dishes with clean ones all over the kitchen. Ok, some things suck more than that, but it still sucks bad.

484 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:21:26pm

re: #477 Cato the Elder

Not at all. You're just a garden-variety moral equivocationist with a vocation for shit-stirring. Sometimes I dig it, sometimes I don't.

Now go take a rolling fuck at a flying doughnut.

Right. Except I didn't see anything in there about Jew-hatred. Which is, you know, the entire crux of the insult you hurled at me. So again, with all due respect, shut your mouth. Call me whatever insult you wish, I don't really care. But don't you fucking dare try and call me an anti-Semite.

485 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:21:31pm

I fill my dishwasher the old fashioned way.

486 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:21:59pm

re: #480 reine.de.tout

Good grief.
People can't figure that out without an article to tell them how to load a dishwasher?

See above, that would be me.

487 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:22:01pm

re: #483 cliffster

That's a good response. For me and my wife, the question is always, how can you tell if the dishes are clean, or dirty? Usually it's obvious, but sometimes it's not. Nothing sucks more than unloading a full dishwasher, only to realize it hadn't been run, and you just mixed dirty dishes with clean ones all over the kitchen. Ok, some things suck more than that, but it still sucks bad.

Our rule is if you unlock it, you MUST UNLOAD under pain of death

488 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:22:08pm

re: #482 WindUpBird

ahahaha that's me, I'm that guy

Me too man. Growing up I swear I got more verbal beatdowns from my mother regarding my lack of dishwasher loading skills than anything else.

489 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:22:12pm

in bed.

490 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:22:43pm

STROKE ALERT!!

491 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:23:17pm

re: #488 drcordell

Me too man. Growing up I swear I got more verbal beatdowns from my mother regarding my lack of dishwasher loading skills than anything else.

I just never learned at all! So I'm like 20 and I'm just randomly throwing crap in the dishwasher and my roommate is like ARE YOU HIGH

492 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:23:21pm

And I can promise you all that my husband will NEVER be shown the dishwasher loading article.
Evah.

493 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:23:25pm

re: #490 Ericus58

STROKE ALERT!!

Here's hoping it was Pat Buchanan....

494 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:23:42pm

re: #490 Ericus58

STROKE ALERT!!

I call bullshit. If you were having a stroke, your post would look like this: dsfhdovjdvbv

495 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:23:49pm

re: #482 WindUpBird

ahahaha that's me, I'm that guy

re: #486 webevintage

See above, that would be me.

re: #488 drcordell

Me too man. Growing up I swear I got more verbal beatdowns from my mother regarding my lack of dishwasher loading skills than anything else.

oooookay, then.
I shall refrain from saying anything else.
Must preserve delicate feelings.
(sheesh. Some things are just self-evident, ya know?).

496 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:24:09pm

re: #494 Cannadian Club Akbar

I call bullshit. If you were having a stroke, your post would look like this: dsfhdovjdvbv

Ooohh, that's awful

497 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:24:13pm

re: #491 WindUpBird

I just never learned at all! So I'm like 20 and I'm just randomly throwing crap in the dishwasher and my roommate is like ARE YOU HIGH

I wish I actually HAD a dishwasher to load poorly. Fucking Manhattan...

499 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:24:22pm

re: #479 drcordell

Not until he retracts his completely baseless claims that I am a "Jew-hater." I'm not accepting an apology that apologizes merely for the fact that he shouldn't have brought it up on Passover.

My apology was inclusive of all that I said to you. If you feel a need to continue to harp on it, enjoy. I said I was sorry.

500 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:24:24pm

Oddly appropriate juxtaposition between 489 and 490.

501 Lidane  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:24:35pm

re: #471 beekiller

Check out their myspace that was deleted.

Don't Tread On Me!

What's interesting, especially in light of some of the discussions around here about the Tennessee flag, was this:

[Link: 74.125.113.132...]

[Link: 74.125.113.132...]

502 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:24:41pm

re: #493 drcordell

Here's hoping it was Pat Buchanan...

there... gave you a ding. Better now?

503 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:25:05pm

re: #500 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oddly appropriate juxtaposition between 489 and 490.

Whoa

504 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:25:08pm

re: #497 drcordell

I wish I actually HAD a dishwasher to load poorly. Fucking Manhattan...

I couldn't do the New York thing. I need a car, and I need it to go fast and I need places to drive it :D

505 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:25:34pm

re: #499 Walter L. Newton

My apology was inclusive of all that I said to you. If you feel a need to continue to harp on it, enjoy. I said I was sorry.

Like I said, just don't call me an anti-Semite. Hurling charges like that around just dilutes the meaning when it's applied to someone who truly deserves to be labeled a bigot. Apology accepted. Enjoy your seder.

506 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:25:45pm

re: #495 reine.de.tout

oookay, then.
I shall refrain from saying anything else.
Must preserve delicate feelings.
(sheesh. Some things are just self-evident, ya know?).

No delicate feelings.
I just hate when my husband is right.

(sheesh. Some things are just self-evident, ya know?).

You would think, but the stories I could tell you about teenager....

507 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:25:51pm

re: #490 Ericus58

STROKE ALERT!!

More info here:

Youtube Video
508 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:25:51pm

re: #493 drcordell

Here's hoping it was Pat Buchanan...

classy

509 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:26:22pm

re: #501 Lidane

What's interesting, especially in light of some of the discussions around here about the Tennessee flag, was this:

[Link: 74.125.113.132...]

[Link: 74.125.113.132...]

Good grief. Get a load of this guy.

510 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:26:49pm

re: #506 webevintage

No delicate feelings.
I just hate when my husband is right.

(sheesh. Some things are just self-evident, ya know?).

You would think, but the stories I could tell you about teenager...

My hubby is never right.
But he always thinks he is.
But he's wrong.

511 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:27:01pm

re: #508 Aceofwhat?

classy

I'd tell the old man I hope he drops dead straight to his racist fucking face. Hopefully I'll have the chance someday. He films regularly at a studio inside the D.C. television station my father works at. I told him that next time he seems the Hitler-lover taking a nap he should draw a swastika on his face.

512 I Am Kreniigh!  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:27:04pm

I've recently been reading an interesting comic called DMZ from DC's Vertigo imprint. From Wikipedia:

The series is set in New York City, sometime in the near future and in the midst of a civil war that has turned the island of Manhattan into a demilitarized zone.

The conflict concerns two primary forces: the federal government of the United States of America and the "Free States" armies. In issue #8, it is explained that the Free States are less a geographical entity than "an idea", and that the movement began with an uprising of secessionist groups that formed a separate government in Montana before spreading across the country. The Free Armies and the U.S. military first met in combat at Allentown, Pennsylvania where the Free Armies won, after which the Free Armies descended on New York. The exact chain of events from hereon has yet to be revealed. Manhattan is the location of the DMZ between the two warring parties, with the FSA occupying territory including New Jersey and inland, and the United States holding Brooklyn, Long Island, and other parts unknown.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The series started in 2005, so it's not directly inspired by the past year, but it does resonate.

513 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:27:17pm

re: #484 drcordell

Right. Except I didn't see anything in there about Jew-hatred. Which is, you know, the entire crux of the insult you hurled at me. So again, with all due respect, shut your mouth. Call me whatever insult you wish, I don't really care. But don't you fucking dare try and call me an anti-Semite.

I won't. I didn't.

What I said, proudly, and hereby proudly repeat, is that you are totally, willfully ignorant of the state of affairs in Israel and Gaza.

Now, about that doughnut...

GAZE

514 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:27:20pm

re: #509 Gus 802

Good grief. Get a load of this guy.


Looks like an extra from Waterworld.

515 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:27:34pm

re: #509 Gus 802

Good grief. Get a load of this guy.

Hahahaha Boyz in the Hood meets Deliverance.

516 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:27:41pm

re: #508 Aceofwhat?

classy

now THIS is classy:

Youtube Video
517 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:27:44pm

Speaking of teenagers.
I sent my husband out with him to practice merging on the highway.
Oy.
and Vey.

518 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:27:50pm

re: #511 drcordell

I'd tell the old man I hope he drops dead straight to his racist fucking face. Hopefully I'll have the chance someday. He films regularly at a studio inside the D.C. television station my father works at. I told him that next time he seems the Hitler-lover taking a nap he should draw a swastika on his face.

like i said. classy.

519 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:28:30pm

re: #509 Gus 802

hahahaha wow

nice abs. The healing power of meth!

520 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:28:56pm

re: #518 Aceofwhat?

like i said. classy.

What kind words of encouragement do you want me to offer the man who thinks Hitler didn't really mean to kill the Jews?

521 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:29:12pm

re: #517 webevintage

Speaking of teenagers.
I sent my husband out with him to practice merging on the highway.
Oy.
and Vey.

What's he driving? I learned to drive in a 1975 Firebird. ^^

522 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:29:18pm

re: #515 drcordell

Hahahaha Boyz in the Hood meets Deliverance.

Yeah, nothing says crazed loser then posing in front of a camera and point the gun at the camera. The link beeline provided links to other weirdos like this. They're all over. It's like a pandemic of these freaks.

523 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:29:34pm

re: #509 Gus 802

Good grief. Get a load of this guy.

Gus - OMG.
There are folks who used to be here but are now blocked who have photos like that of themselves up at websites. It's frightening.

524 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:29:42pm

re: #519 WindUpBird

hahahaha wow

nice abs. The healing power of meth!

Meth: Perfect for those who don't want teeth.
I just made a bumper sticker!!

525 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:29:50pm

re: #511 drcordell

He films regularly at a studio inside the D.C. television station my father works at. I told him that next time he seems the Hitler-lover taking a nap he should draw a swastika on his face.

I can agree with that.
Prefect way to prank an asshole like Pat.

526 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:30:13pm

re: #513 Cato the Elder

I won't. I didn't.

What I said, proudly, and hereby proudly repeat, is that you are totally, willfully ignorant of the state of affairs in Israel and Gaza.

Now, about that doughnut...

GAZE

My apologies I meant to direct that in Walter's direction.

527 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:30:18pm

re: #511 drcordell

I'd tell the old man I hope he drops dead straight to his racist fucking face. Hopefully I'll have the chance someday. He films regularly at a studio inside the D.C. television station my father works at. I told him that next time he seems the Hitler-lover taking a nap he should draw a swastika on his face.

My favorite Pat Buchanan line is the one where he said he'd prefer a Christian monarchy to a democracy.

I'd rather he live to 100 and become a complete laughing stock, sorta like G Gordon Liddy.

528 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:30:33pm

re: #523 reine.de.tout

Gus - OMG.
There are folks who used to be here but are now blocked who have photos like that of themselves up at websites. It's frightening.

Seriously? I never saw that. Glad I missed it. Don't need that element at all.

529 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:30:48pm

re: #527 WindUpBird

My favorite Pat Buchanan line is the one where he said he'd prefer a Christian monarchy to a democracy.

I'd rather he live to 100 and become a complete laughing stock, sorta like G Gordon Liddy.

Have we not reached that point yet?

530 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:30:58pm

re: #509 Gus 802

Good grief. Get a load of this guy.

The word "load" in association with that image is too loaded for me.

531 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:31:33pm

re: #523 reine.de.tout

Gus - OMG.
There are folks who used to be here but are now blocked who have photos like that of themselves up at websites. It's frightening.

*Homer simpson shudder*

And now you've exchanged them for guys with photos like this: Image: Red_Panda_Fursuit_Costume_by_Beetlecat.jpg

^_^

532 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:31:51pm

re: #530 Cato the Elder

The word "load" in association with that image is too loaded for me.

Brain bleach! /

533 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:32:00pm

re: #529 drcordell

Have we not reached that point yet?

He's still on TV! He needs to get off TV and be relegated to AM radio, rantng in between farm reports and Tradeo.

534 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:32:53pm

re: #512 Kreniigh

I've recently been reading an interesting comic called DMZ from DC's Vertigo imprint. From Wikipedia:

The series is set in New York City, sometime in the near future and in the midst of a civil war that has turned the island of Manhattan into a demilitarized zone.

The conflict concerns two primary forces: the federal government of the United States of America and the "Free States" armies. In issue #8, it is explained that the Free States are less a geographical entity than "an idea", and that the movement began with an uprising of secessionist groups that formed a separate government in Montana before spreading across the country. The Free Armies and the U.S. military first met in combat at Allentown, Pennsylvania where the Free Armies won, after which the Free Armies descended on New York. The exact chain of events from hereon has yet to be revealed. Manhattan is the location of the DMZ between the two warring parties, with the FSA occupying territory including New Jersey and inland, and the United States holding Brooklyn, Long Island, and other parts unknown.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The series started in 2005, so it's not directly inspired by the past year, but it does resonate.

No it doesn't. That's a bunch of hyperbole on your part. The situation framed in that comic has nothing to do with the reality of the religious militia movement, with it's actual size and it's impact.

These sorts of groups, while dangerous, are not organized in any meaningful way that could create a nationwide revolution.

Do you know anything personally about how these groups operate?

535 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:32:54pm

re: #521 WindUpBird

What's he driving? I learned to drive in a 1975 Firebird. ^^

The Mommy Van.
But it does have the Obama and the "Every Time you Vote Republican God Kills a Kitten" bumper sticker on it.

I learned to drive in my moms Pinto Station Wagon with a stick.

536 Lidane  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:32:56pm

Well, isn't that nice:

Kristol: The Russians ‘in some ways have brought’ suicide bombings ‘on themselves.’

537 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:33:37pm

re: #536 Lidane

Well, isn't that nice:

Kristol: The Russians ‘in some ways have brought’ suicide bombings ‘on themselves.’

Yeah watch out, that dog don't hunt around these parts...

538 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:35:21pm

re: #501 Lidane

Yeah, I found that yesterday. Doesn't link anything specifically, of course, but it's good to know that the militias aren't above using their state flags as a shroud of legitimacy.

539 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:35:57pm

Oops. I used the word "then" rather than "than."

[Stares at Cato.]

/

540 dr. luba  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:36:00pm

re: #167 oaktree

Between that, coffee, the potato and the tomato you have four reasons why the Americas rule! ;)

And don't forget peppers (capsicums).......

541 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:37:03pm

re: #527 WindUpBird

My favorite Pat Buchanan line is the one where he said he'd prefer a Christian monarchy to a democracy.

I'd rather he live to 100 and become a complete laughing stock, sorta like G Gordon Liddy.

Buchanan is well on his way. Sometimes it seems like msnbc keeps him around in order to discredit conservative views.

542 webevintage  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:37:08pm

See ya later.
Gonna go reload my dishwasher!

543 dr. luba  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:37:58pm

re: #167 oaktree

re: #540 dr. luba

And don't forget peppers (capsicums)...

re: #167 oaktree

Between that, coffee, the potato and the tomato you have four reasons why the Americas rule! ;)

....and since coffee is from Ethiopia, that still makes four (or five, if you include the devil's weed).

544 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:38:47pm

re: #542 webevintage

See ya later.
Gonna go reload my dishwasher!

You go, you salty dog you!

Or am I reading to much into that statement?

545 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:38:52pm

re: #520 drcordell

What kind words of encouragement do you want me to offer the man who thinks Hitler didn't really mean to kill the Jews?

none. but death wishes are uncivilized.

546 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:38:54pm

re: #522 Gus 802

Yeah, nothing says crazed loser then posing in front of a camera and point the gun at the camera. The link beeline provided links to other weirdos like this. They're all over. It's like a pandemic of these freaks.

I checked out a few other 'friends' pages from Beeline link and one thing that seems to be very common. Lots and lots of Alex Jones.

547 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:38:59pm

re: #520 drcordell

What kind words of encouragement do you want me to offer the man who thinks Hitler didn't really mean to kill the Jews?

I don't think that wishing a debilitating medical condition upon someone is really ever appropriate.

548 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:39:09pm

re: #529 drcordell

If you don't agree with me about the impact of these religious/militia groups, then why don't you explain to me why you feel I am wrong instead of just down dinging my comments. You change nothing by doing that.

I have personal experience with these groups, and I am very well versed on how well they can and can't effect certain levels of chaos in this country.

yes, they are dangerous, no, they cannot come close to accomplishing their lofty aspirations of race warfare and revolution in this country.

549 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:39:27pm

re: #542 webevintage

See ya later.
Gonna go reload my dishwasher!

Careful with that word, 'reload'.

550 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:40:33pm

re: #548 Walter L. Newton

If you don't agree with me about the impact of these religious/militia groups, then why don't you explain to me why you feel I am wrong instead of just down dinging my comments. You change nothing by doing that.

I have personal experience with these groups, and I am very well versed on how well they can and can't effect certain levels of chaos in this country.

yes, they are dangerous, no, they cannot come close to accomplishing their lofty aspirations of race warfare and revolution in this country.

I never said they could accomplish their goals. But they most certainly are going to give it their best shot. And with the kind of firepower these loons are packing it wouldn't surprise me if they could make a pretty good go of it. I certainly wouldn't want to be around to find out that's for sure.

551 drcordell  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:41:23pm

re: #545 Aceofwhat?

none. but death wishes are uncivilized.

re: #547 cliffster

I don't think that wishing a debilitating medical condition upon someone is really ever appropriate.

I generally agree with you. Pat gets an exception here because of the overwhelming body of evidence that he is effectively a Nazi sympathizer.

552 garhighway  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:41:30pm

re: #545 Aceofwhat?

none. but death wishes are uncivilized.

Agreed.

And they violate the TOS of this site.

553 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:42:22pm

re: #552 garhighway

Agreed.

And they violate the TOS of this site.

there's that, too...

554 Slap  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:42:39pm

re: #465 WindUpBird

CAT LAUGHTER BREAK:

This fella certainly seems to understand the true nature of our cat overlords. His stuff cracks me up.

Youtube Video

Haven't seen a single one of his cat animations I haven't enjoyed.

555 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:42:44pm

re: #546 Jadespring

I checked out a few other 'friends' pages from Beeline link and one thing that seems to be very common. Lots and lots of Alex Jones.

I noticed that too. This is like a mother lode of crazy.

556 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:44:39pm

We are all gonna die.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

557 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:44:58pm

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

They were all WOMEN? I didn't know that.

Just the one with the herpes sore.

558 ShaunP  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:45:17pm

re: #557 Alouette

Just the one with the herpes sore.

LMAO; I thought the same thing... :D

559 garhighway  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:46:10pm

re: #558 ShaunP

LMAO; I thought the same thing... :D

I was thinking meth-head.

Which go great with semi-automatic weapons.

560 darthstar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:46:12pm

re: #557 Alouette

Just the one with the herpes sore.

That's a "militant beauty mark"

561 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:46:32pm

re: #509 Gus 802

Good grief. Get a load of this guy.

He looks like Lee Harvey Oswald, if LHO ever did porno.

562 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:46:37pm

re: #557 Alouette

Just the one with the herpes sore.

80% of the population has oral herpes. Don't make fun. tsk tsk

563 ~Fianna  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:47:27pm

re: #557 Alouette

Just the one with the herpes sore.

I was thinking that was pipe burn, personally.

564 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:47:38pm

re: #560 darthstar

That's a "militant beauty mark"

That is da funny.

565 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:49:44pm

re: #563 ~Fianna

I was thinking that was pipe burn, personally.

*reaches for screen cleaner*

566 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:50:32pm

re: #556 Cannadian Club Akbar

We are all gonna die.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Or that guy standing at the bottom there will end up wielding ultimate cosmic power.

567 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:50:47pm

Do you wanna date my avatar?

Youtube Video

I'm craving to emote with you

568 Lidane  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:50:52pm

Hmm. This is interesting:

[Link: www.annarbor.com...]

Bridgewater Township Supervisor Jolea Mull has twice sought help from militia members this year to search for missing township residents.

The move is drawing criticism from militia watchdog groups, who say Mull is legitimizing an extreme right-wing movement that has a history of being associated with criminal activity.

And the partnership comes as the militia movement is exploding across the country, driven by fears of economic collapse and the potential for a crackdown on gun rights under the Obama administration, watchdog groups say.

About 50 militia members from five units live in Washtenaw County, militia leaders say. They are survivalists, who favor larger local government and a smaller federal government. Members are fiercely protective of their free speech and gun rights.

When Mull learned from Washtenaw County sheriff's deputies that a township woman was missing Jan. 13, she contacted local militia leader Jimmy Schiel.

“She said, ‘Hey, we need help to do a ground search for Anna-Maria Wheeker,” Schiel recalls of their phone conversation that morning. “I said, ‘So you want the militia?' And she said, ‘Yes.”

Schiel, a member of the Washtenaw County-based Michigan Militia Corps Wolverines, 9th Division, 13th Brigade, started making phone calls. He quickly rounded up three members from his unit and three from the Lenawee County-based Hutaree, 8th Division, 20th Brigade.

They responded to the township hall with two search dogs, backpacks containing medical supplies and a non-militia volunteer on horseback. They met with deputies, firefighters and other volunteers before fanning out in the area to search for Wheeker.

569 garhighway  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:51:10pm

Uh-oh.

Bad news on the philanthropy front:

Onion Video
570 windsagio  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:52:03pm

re: #562 cliffster

I didn't believe that, but it turns out you're right.

571 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:53:25pm

re: #555 Gus 802

I noticed that too. This is like a mother lode of crazy.

It's fascinating in a 'oh my' and a 'what the..?' sort of way.

572 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:53:46pm

re: #566 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or that guy standing at the bottom there will end up wielding ultimate cosmic power.

That guy's gonna end up like this.

573 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:54:08pm

re: #571 Jadespring

It's fascinating in a 'oh my' and a 'what the..?' sort of way.

Yes. Followed by "I'm glad I live here."

574 ryannon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:54:47pm

re: #365 Gus 802

Mugshots of Christian Militia members indicted on cop killer plot.

Associated article at ABC.

They are look like variations on the same bad crazy idea.

575 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:55:30pm

re: #574 ryannon

They are look like variations on the same bad crazy idea.

A product of intelligent ignorant design?

/

576 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:55:50pm

re: #574 ryannon

They are look like variations on the same bad crazy idea.

lol

I guess that's another way of saying 'family.'

:D

577 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:56:17pm

re: #569 garhighway

Uh-oh.

Bad news on the philanthropy front:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

I still like the kid from Baseketballs wishes.

"I know, lets kill an endangered species, or let piranhas loose at a public pool!"

578 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:56:34pm

re: #576 JasonA

lol

I guess that's another way of saying 'family.'

:D

Someone peed in the gene pool. Heh.

579 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:57:44pm

re: #572 JasonA

That guy's gonna end up like this.

Or as my buddy said, "The movie was ok, but I could have done with a little less giant blue dong on screen."

580 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:58:05pm

re: #573 Gus 802

Yes. Followed by "I'm glad I live here."

Oh ouch.

Just decided to do some looksee and see what sort of militia type groups exist here in Canada. I googled and the first links to show up in the search were all Stormfront links.

581 Ericus58  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:58:16pm

re: #567 cliffster

Do you wanna date my avatar?


[Video]I'm craving to emote with you

LOL - I emailed that to some friends about 3 weeks ago - hilarious!

582 cliffster  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:58:49pm

re: #570 windsagio

I didn't believe that, but it turns out you're right.

You should believe pretty much everything I say

583 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:59:37pm

re: #580 Jadespring

Ha! Then after a couple of wiki links you get this [Link: www.imuc.org...]

Um not quite the same methinks. :D

584 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 1:59:43pm

re: #579 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or as my buddy said, "The movie was ok, but I could have done with a little less giant blue dong on screen."

I should get credit for going out of my way to find a dong-free pic.

585 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:00:42pm

re: #570 windsagio

I didn't believe that, but it turns out you're right.

And that's why we don't do ass-to-mouth.

586 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:00:56pm

re: #584 JasonA

I should get credit for going out of my way to find a dong-free pic.

You should. Between Watchmen and Smurf related porn, there are entirely too many giant blue dongs on the internet.

587 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:01:33pm

re: #585 JasonA

And that's why we don't do ass-to-mouth.

I'm hoping there are more reasons than that.

588 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:01:53pm

re: #585 JasonA

And that's why we don't do ass-to-mouth.

Well, that hummus.

589 ShaunP  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:01:55pm

re: #585 JasonA

And that's why we don't do ass-to-mouth.

re: #586 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You should. Between Watchmen and Smurf related porn, there are entirely too many giant blue dongs on the internet.

I think we've delved into a strange dark corner of LGF...

590 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:02:07pm

re: #586 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You should. Between Watchmen and Smurf related porn, there are entirely too many giant blue dongs on the internet.


What do you call it when Smurfs make love?
They Smuck

591 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:02:25pm

That and hummus!

592 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:02:50pm

re: #590 HoosierHoops

What do you call it when Smurfs make love?
They Smuck

Is that where Smucker's comes from?

593 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:02:51pm

re: #589 ShaunP

I think we've delved into a strange dark corner of LGF...

WELCOME!

594 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:02:56pm

re: #589 ShaunP

I think we've delved into a strange dark corner of LGF...

Darker than accusations of anti-semitism? Bah.

595 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:03:22pm

Man accused of making threats against Congressman.

596 ShaunP  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:03:27pm

re: #593 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WELCOME!

Have candy?

597 keloyd  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:03:41pm

re: #527 WindUpBird

My favorite Pat Buchanan line is the one where he said he'd prefer a Christian monarchy to a democracy.

I'd rather he live to 100 and become a complete laughing stock, sorta like G Gordon Liddy.



That right there is why I love listening to Pat talk. I saw that too! IIRC, it was Franco's fascist Spain that he was praising at the time, and Chris Matthews was rendered speechless, briefly. When I was on Guinness #3, some comment by Cato made me express my feelings about Pat in the form of haiku:
Older than you think
crazy yet honest sans guile
NBC's token

Hates them all the same
What you see is what you get
more class than Coulter

Like crazy uncles
Don't hang on his every word
Irish like to fight

Jews, Mexicans, Blacks
Masons, gays, Ulster Irish
Pat's still got a grudge

William F. Buckley
A proper conservative
Pat, be more like him.

598 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:04:41pm

re: #596 ShaunP

Have candy?

In the van, come on in.

599 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:05:23pm

re: #598 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In the van, come on in.

Wait, my uncle said that once.
/

600 Gus  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:06:42pm

BBL

601 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:07:31pm

Time to start din din. Wet burritos don't make themselves.

602 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:08:26pm

re: #586 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You should. Between Watchmen and Smurf related porn, there are entirely too many giant blue dongs on the internet.

*wonders if there's Avatar porn yet...*

603 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:10:26pm

Alright folks. Time to unhitch and trot along. Y'all have a good night!

604 Cineaste  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:10:32pm

re: #23 oaktree

Now the secondary question arises whether or not they and their supporters attempt to make the trial into some sort of circus.

[start right-wing talking point]

Then we definitely shouldn't put them on trial...

[end]

Oh wait, that only applied to muslim religious nutjobs.

605 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:10:46pm

The world's coolest bookstores.

606 Kragar  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:12:08pm

re: #602 JasonA

*wonders if there's Avatar porn yet...*

Yes.

607 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:12:27pm

re: #604 Cineaste

[start right-wing talking point]

Then we definitely shouldn't put them on trial...

[end]

Oh wait, that only applied to muslim religious nutjobs THAT WERE CAPTURED IN THE FIELD OF BATTLE OUTSIDE OF THE USA.

ftfy ,

608 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:12:32pm

re: #602 JasonA

*wonders if there's Avatar porn yet...*

I googled. There is.

609 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:13:02pm

re: #589 ShaunP

I think we've delved into a strange dark corner of LGF...

Remember when sex used to be referred to as one's "private life"?

610 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:13:05pm

re: #608 Jadespring

I googled.

You're braver than I.

611 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:13:54pm

re: #609 The Sanity Inspector

Remember when sex used to be referred to as one's "private life"?

Meh. The same was true of religion and politics, no?

612 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:13:54pm

re: #608 Jadespring

I googled. There is.

Is that what you kids call it nowadays!

613 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:13:59pm

re: #589 ShaunP

I think we've delved into a strange dark corner of LGF...

Dark blue perhaps.

614 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:14:01pm

re: #610 JasonA

You're braver than I.

Well I wasn't actually brave enough to click the links.

615 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:14:08pm

re: #607 sattv4u2

ftfy ,

What about Mr. Underoos?

616 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:15:01pm

re: #608 Jadespring

I googled. There is.

Is it "scary google exploration" day at the Jadespring ranch?!?

617 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:15:57pm

re: #616 Aceofwhat?

Is it "scary google exploration" day at the Jadespring ranch?!?

It's seems to be turning out that way. 0.o

I really should learn when to stop....

618 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:17:13pm

re: #615 SanFranciscoZionist

What about Mr. Underoos?

The KaBLOOMER?
Exactly where was he when he tried to ignite his g-string? Also, I don't recall if the air carrier was a US based one of foriegn. He wasn't taken custody by a lilitary entity, so I would have to know the other answers prior to reaching a conclusion military tribunal or civilian court. Due to what / where/ when / who I'm leaning civilian

619 Cineaste  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:17:38pm

re: #337 Barrett Brown

the people who get their own chapters in my book - Friedman (liberal), Krauthammer (conservative), Richard Cohen (liberal), William Bennett (conservative), Martin Peretz (liberal), Robert Stacy McCain (conservative)

You would put Robert Stacy McCain alongside those others? While there may be ample reason to intellectually disagree with the first five they are all serious intellects. RSM is a white supremacist whack-job in nice clothes.

620 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:18:00pm

re: #616 Aceofwhat?

Is it "scary google exploration" day at the Jadespring ranch?!?


or Jades Excellent Google Adventure!

621 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:18:16pm

re: #611 JasonA

Meh. The same was true of religion and politics, no?

No, religion used to be quite public. Then the dreaded "Christian cooties" epidemic began, and we had to take in out of the public square... Politics is as ubiquitous as it ever was.

622 acacia  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:20:13pm

I was interested to see whether the first post would be about the "threat" of violence with the militia group or the "actual" violence of the jihadists in Moscow. Although it is of interest and worth blogging about, I am disappointed that the focus of the site is clearly now on internal fringe groups that have not yet carried out violence and hardly anything at all on the actual violence of militant Islam and its relentless aim of continuing that actual violence on the West. I for one however believe that the focus should be the other way around.

623 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:20:21pm

re: #531 WindUpBird

*Homer simpson shudder*

And now you've exchanged them for guys with photos like this: [Link: th07.deviantart.net...]

^_^

much better, IMO.

624 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:20:23pm

re: #602 JasonA

*wonders if there's Avatar porn yet...*

re: #608 Jadespring

I googled. There is.

Sigh, how many times do I have to say it? Rule 34 is completely true, really!

625 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:21:01pm

re: #620 sattv4u2

or Jades Excellent Google Adventure!

I have learned some things.

Like apparently private militias like in the OP are illegal here.

I also learned that Stormfront types are really, really, really sad about this state of affairs.

626 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:21:02pm

re: #622 acacia

I was interested to see whether the first post would be about the "threat" of violence with the militia group or the "actual" violence of the jihadists in Moscow. Although it is of interest and worth blogging about, I am disappointed that the focus of the site is clearly now on internal fringe groups that have not yet carried out violence and hardly anything at all on the actual violence of militant Islam and its relentless aim of continuing that actual violence on the West. I for one however believe that the focus should be the other way around.

proximity is not an unimportant variable...

627 Cineaste  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:21:51pm

re: #622 acacia

I was interested to see whether the first post would be about the "threat" of violence with the militia group or the "actual" violence of the jihadists in Moscow. Although it is of interest and worth blogging about, I am disappointed that the focus of the site is clearly now on internal fringe groups that have not yet carried out violence and hardly anything at all on the actual violence of militant Islam and its relentless aim of continuing that actual violence on the West. I for one however believe that the focus should be the other way around.

I think a massive government move against a real and present domestic terrorist cell with sedition charges trumps another, albeit horrible, attack by Chechen rebels. There were also probably attacks in Iraq & Afghanistan today but this is a big deal.

628 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:23:22pm

re: #622 acacia

I was interested to see whether the first post would be about the "threat" of violence with the militia group or the "actual" violence of the jihadists in Moscow.

The heading of the thread SHOULD have benn a clue. Guess ya missed it!

I am disappointed that the focus of the site is clearly now on internal fringe groups

SUGGESTION ,, start your own blog and talk about whatever floats your boat 24/7

629 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:23:32pm

re: #618 sattv4u2

The KaBLOOMER?
Exactly where was he when he tried to ignite his g-string? Also, I don't recall if the air carrier was a US based one of foriegn. He wasn't taken custody by a lilitary entity, so I would have to know the other answers prior to reaching a conclusion military tribunal or civilian court. Due to what / where/ when / who I'm leaning civilian

He was on a Northwest flight and was taken into custody by US law enforcement on the ground in Detroit. He attempted to detonate as they were approaching Detroit.

I would think civilian as well, but much of the right-wing blogosphere went into cardiac arrest over the very idea, much to my confusion and disgust.

630 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:24:40pm

re: #625 Jadespring

I have learned some things.

Like apparently private militias like in the OP are illegal here.

I also learned that Stormfront types are really, really, really sad about this state of affairs.

interesting. up there, what's the difference between a 'militia' (illegal) and a group of friends just chillin' in the woods...with guns?

i guess i'm wondering why folks don't just say they're not a militia...while in their minds believing they're a militia...

631 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:25:55pm

re: #629 SanFranciscoZionist

He was on a Northwest flight and was taken into custody by US law enforcement on the ground in Detroit. He attempted to detonate as they were approaching Detroit.

I would think civilian as well, but much of the right-wing blogosphere went into cardiac arrest over the very idea, much to my confusion and disgust.

Thanks. I couldn;t recall the airline and the "where". Civilian all the way, I say (unlike the combatants caught by the military in far away places ,,,,(((although Detroit IS pretty "out there"!)))

632 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:26:38pm

re: #630 Aceofwhat?

interesting. up there, what's the difference between a 'militia' (illegal) and a group of friends just chillin' in the woods...with guns?

i guess i'm wondering why folks don't just say they're not a militia...while in their minds believing they're a militia...

Because to them, it sounds so cool 1776 ish

633 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:26:43pm

re: #621 The Sanity Inspector

No, religion used to be quite public. Then the dreaded "Christian cooties" epidemic began, and we had to take in out of the public square... Politics is as ubiquitous as it ever was.

Christianity used to be quite public. A certain kind of Christianity. Everyone else stayed quiet.

There was no 'Christian cooties' epidemic, merely an end to a public presumption of Protestant social status.

634 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:26:47pm

re: #622 acacia

And my response to you is:

GAZE

635 Mocking Jay  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:26:50pm

re: #622 acacia

And this is of concern because...?

636 Lidane  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:28:59pm

re: #635 JasonA

And this is of concern because...?

Because we can't talk about homegrown religious nutjobs with a violent anti-American agenda when there are scary Muslims out there. That's why.

/

637 Barrett Brown  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:29:26pm

re: #384 Aceofwhat?

Didn't Thomas Friedman just write a column about being a centrist? He's neither liberal nor conservative, in any true sense of the word.

Well done, guy.

Didn't I just write several posts about an anarcho-capitalist? I'm neither liberal nor conservative, in any true sense of either word.

Well done, guy.

638 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:30:33pm

re: #635 JasonA

And this is of concern because...?

See, the order of importance is like this:

3. Terrorists who aren't Muslims.

2. Terrorists who ARE Muslims.

1. What Charles decides to post about, and what that says about the direction this blog has taken.

Write it down or something!

639 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:30:45pm

re: #637 Barrett Brown

Didn't I just write several posts about an anarcho-capitalist? I'm neither liberal nor conservative, in any true sense of either word.

Well done, guy.

I knooow.

You labeled Thomas Friedman a "liberal".

I think Thomas Friedman disagrees.

Follow?

640 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:31:55pm

re: #630 Aceofwhat?

interesting. up there, what's the difference between a 'militia' (illegal) and a group of friends just chillin' in the woods...with guns?

i guess i'm wondering why folks don't just say they're not a militia...while in their minds believing they're a militia...

Yeah. I would expect that there are unofficial 'militia' types here, as you say guys that just hang and chill. Guess they just can't officially advertise.

641 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:32:01pm

re: #639 Aceofwhat?

I knooow.

You labeled Thomas Friedman a "liberal".

I think Thomas Friedman disagrees.

Follow?


That would imply a willingness to listen to something other than a pre-concieved notion

642 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:33:15pm

re: #640 Jadespring

Yeah. I would expect that there are unofficial 'militia' types here, as you say guys that just hang and chill. Guess they just can't officially advertise.

define "unofficial 'militia' types" please.
Not trying to goad or argue, merely to understand

643 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:34:56pm

re: #640 Jadespring

Yeah. I would expect that there are unofficial 'militia' types here, as you say guys that just hang and chill. Guess they just can't officially advertise.

hilarious, though, that Stormfront is worked up about it.

644 Barrett Brown  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:35:06pm

re: #437 Cato the Elder

I appreciate the offer, but this isn't indicative of my output; I had to pull an all-nighter last night due to a late project. Most of my work that goes up online is unedited and doesn't seem to contain many errors (I know because much of it gets fisked by my opponents, who are of course not shy about pointing out such things).

645 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:35:49pm

re: #618 sattv4u2

The KaBLOOMER?
Exactly where was he when he tried to ignite his g-string? Also, I don't recall if the air carrier was a US based one of foriegn. He wasn't taken custody by a lilitary entity, so I would have to know the other answers prior to reaching a conclusion military tribunal or civilian court. Due to what / where/ when / who I'm leaning civilian

More like the Sizzleroos nueter. /

They had announced and were setting up the plane interior for landing at Detroit Michigan. It was Northwest Airlines Flight 253 on December 25, 2009. He was supposed to inject acid into the powdered PETN explosive sewn into a packet in his briefs causeing it to explode. Instead the acid melted the syringe and caught it and the waistband of his underwear on fire. The "pop" that the passengers heard and likened to a firecracker going off was the syringe exploding while he was holding it over his crotch with his pants pulled down enough to expose the packet sewn into the front of his briefs.

/to quote Jim Carrey "Owwwiiiieeeee!!111!!!!"

646 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:39:32pm

re: #642 sattv4u2

define "unofficial 'militia' types" please.
Not trying to goad or argue, merely to understand

Ace was just commenting on the fact that private militias like the folks in the OP are illegal here suggesting that basically there was nothing really stopping folks here from doing similar things and just not saying they're an actual militia. "Just guys hanging out with guns in the woods'.

I just was using the 'unofficial' descriptor in a legal sense.

647 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:40:03pm

Ah well

Went and checked. Dinner isn't going to make itself

TONIGHT,, Chicken/ Ziti/ Broccolli with a hot loaf of french bread

648 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:41:07pm

re: #646 Jadespring

Ace was just commenting on the fact that private militias like the folks in the OP are illegal here suggesting that basically there was nothing really stopping folks here from doing similar things and just not saying they're an actual militia. "Just guys hanging out with guns in the woods'.

I just was using the 'unofficial' descriptor in a legal sense.

K , thanks (and yes, I saw Aces question , and answered it myself)

649 ~Fianna  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:43:24pm

re: #647 sattv4u2

Ah well

Went and checked. Dinner isn't going to make itself

TONIGHT,, Chicken/ Ziti/ Broccolli with a hot loaf of french bread

We're doing mahi-mahi in a ponzu reduction with wild rice.

650 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:43:55pm

re: #643 Aceofwhat?

hilarious, though, that Stormfront is worked up about it.

Yeah it is.

The government won't sanction our white nationalist armed hate group!

Wahhhhh! sniffle sniffle

651 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:44:09pm

re: #630 Aceofwhat?


i guess i'm wondering why folks don't just say they're not a militia...while in their minds believing they're a militia...

That's what I do, from the outside you would never know I was a ninja in my mind.

652 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:44:51pm

re: #650 Jadespring

Yeah it is.

The government won't sanction our white nationalist armed hate group!

Wahhh! sniffle sniffle

I know...i hear Cartman in my mind...

(but mooom...)

653 palomino  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:49:47pm

re: #630 Aceofwhat?

interesting. up there, what's the difference between a 'militia' (illegal) and a group of friends just chillin' in the woods...with guns?

i guess i'm wondering why folks don't just say they're not a militia...while in their minds believing they're a militia...

It's not the militia itself that's illegal. It's the plot to kill cops and blow shit up.

654 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:53:08pm

re: #653 palomino

It's not the militia itself that's illegal. It's the plot to kill cops and blow shit up.

It would be illegal in Canada. That's what is being referred to here.

655 Barrett Brown  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 2:55:05pm

re: #619 Cineaste

You would put Robert Stacy McCain alongside those others? While there may be ample reason to intellectually disagree with the first five they are all serious intellects. RSM is a white supremacist whack-job in nice clothes.

As is explained in the book, R.S. McCain is included therein not due to his intellect, but rather due to his continued employment by various conservative outlets, the editors of which have chosen to simply ignore the ongoing revelations regarding the fellow's views and lack of journalistic ethics. The chapter dealing with him is more about the state of the modern conservative movement than it is about the deficits of a single fellow.

Also, I disagree with you regarding the others being "serious intellects;" they are well-known and are regarded by many as being such, but after having gone over their respective bodies of work, I have trouble viewing them as particularly intellectual. Peretz and Krauthammer are both smart fellows who have memorized quite a bit, but they would not last very long in any situation in which they were forced to answer for their respective mistakes - a blog-based debate, for instance.

656 Barrett Brown  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:00:59pm

re: #639 Aceofwhat?

I knooow.

You labeled Thomas Friedman a "liberal".

I think Thomas Friedman disagrees.

Follow?

I follow what you're attempting to say, but I also know that he regards himself as a moderate liberal, which is why he participated in a forum entitled "Liberal hawks reconsider the Iraq War" knowing full well what the forum was called. You may be aware that the term "moderate" is often used as a qualifier to both "liberal" and "conservative" and that a large number of people self-identify as moderates of one or the other.

657 Dadaist  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 3:41:19pm

First they came for the violent, seditious, religious crazies and I did not speak out because I was not a violent, seditious, religious crazy. Then they didn't come for anybody else, and everyone was happy. Apart from the Freepers.

658 Ming  Mon, Mar 29, 2010 5:03:29pm

These militia members were planning terrorist attacks. They are dangerous, and know people who are dangerous. Would Republicans favor torturing these militia members? Or would Republicans favor granting them the presumption of innocence?

659 acacia  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 5:30:05am

re: #658 Ming

Good point. I think that with an American citizen on American soil you have to treat it as a crime no matter what even if planning a terrorist act. If it's a foreign citizen or an American citizen on foreign soil who plans an attack, then it is an act of war and you don't have to treat it as a crime but process it like you would a combatant and in those cases they wouldn't have the Geneva protections because they are not uniformed combatants. In either case though torture should never be used, period. Of course the million dollar question is where is the line between aggressive interrogation and torture. I don't know the answer to that.

660 rumrunner  Tue, Mar 30, 2010 3:30:57pm

so these whack jobs are known as Christian militia members..

why has the media refused to use Muslim suicide bombers!!


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