Pamela Geller’s American branch of the European “Stop Islamization” hate franchise is still falsely advertising Newt Gingrich as a speaker at her anti-Muslim rally on September 11: Stop Islamization of America.
Three days and counting since Gingrich bailed out of Geller’s prejudice party. When will they stop using Gingrich’s name without his permission?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Aug 22, 2010 10:53:28am |
Ahhh. The picture is not posted. Whew.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 22, 2010 10:55:42am |
I was just checking out pics of today’s mosque protests. Unfortunately the mosque supporters come off looking worse than the mosque opponents….
[Link: www.daylife.com…]
[Link: www.daylife.com…]
Fucking idiots.
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 10:57:01am |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
how is that looking worse? I must be missing something >>
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 10:57:04am |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
I was just checking out pics of today’s mosque protests. Unfortunately the mosque supporters come off looking worse than the mosque opponents…
[Link: www.daylife.com…][Link: www.daylife.com…]
Fucking idiots.
Yeesh. Who let socialistworkers.org get out there front and center?
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 10:59:06am |
oh both are the supporters. I’ll try to find a pic of the opponents >
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tradewind Sun, Aug 22, 2010 10:59:15am |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
Feeds the theory that Islam and the radical left ( communism, socialists) are natural bedfellows.
That is, until you get into the details.
Then the fine print is a problem.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 22, 2010 10:59:41am |
re: #4 windsagio
how is that looking worse? I must be missing something >>
Socialists and Marxists. Not imaginary ones that Fox News freaks out about but real communists.
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Jeff In Ohio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 10:59:45am |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
Ah, the SWP out front. I suppose it’s marginally better then the Workers World Party…Stalinist goons, but yeah, free speech is a bitch!!
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Racer X Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:00:19am |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
What is the red text on the bottom of those signs - “Internationalist Group” and “Class Struggle - something” ?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:00:28am |
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Gus Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:00:28am |
Oh boy I can see where this is going. The ghost of Zombietime lives on.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:01:00am |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
Hard to look worse than this. Notice the cretin wearing a Dixie flag. Where did they find this many hillbillies in New York City?
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:02:15am |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
I have to admit “Support freedom of religion” is a lot better than the Bleeding Sharia signs. The stoned biker is funny anyways ;)
Thanks for the link :D
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Stan the Demanded Plan Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:04:15am |
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Cato the Elder Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:04:28am |
re: #13 Charles
Hard to look worse than this. Notice the cretin wearing a Dixie flag. Where did they find this many hillbillies in New York City?
A-a-and, who knew there were socialists in New York City?
Honestly, if 9/11 hadn’t happened, the same people now mewling about “hallowed ground” would be looking to bomb it themselves.
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:06:04am |
also: “afraid the que-raid over”?
What the crap does that mean?
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darthstar Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:06:24am |
More important…when will Gingrich care enough to demand they stop using his name?
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lawhawk Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:06:42am |
re: #17 windsagio
And yet that’s a sentiment shared by quite a few New Yorkers (and even greater percentages of people living further away from Ground Zero).
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lawhawk Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:07:19am |
re: #19 darthstar
When he gets to have it both ways… which is to say, nope.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:07:26am |
I find the whole thing amusing.
Americans bomb the shit out of foreigners to show them how cool we are. Then treat foreigners like shit here.
Whine and bitch about the government taking religious freedoms away - then demand to take religious freedoms away from someone else.
And the funniest part of all? The atheists who vehemently support the mosque builders, yet bash christians at every opportunity. That cracks me up.
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:07:58am |
re: #20 lawhawk
And yet that’s a sentiment shared by quite a few New Yorkers (and even greater percentages of people living further away from Ground Zero).
It’s a stupid, ignorant sentiment spread by hatemongers for political gain. Excuse me while I withhold sympathy.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:09:30am |
re: #13 Charles
Hard to look worse than this. Notice the cretin wearing a Dixie flag. Where did they find this many hillbillies in New York City?
Nice rebel shirt on Wild Bill over to the left.
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:09:55am |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
I still really really wanna know what his sign says and/or means.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:10:06am |
re: #13 Charles
Hard to look worse than this. Notice the cretin wearing a Dixie flag. Where did they find this many hillbillies in New York City?
Upstate.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:10:24am |
re: #13 Charles
Hard to look worse than this. Notice the cretin wearing a Dixie flag. Where did they find this many hillbillies in New York City?
They hired the “Naked Cowboy” and gave him their costume to put on.
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:10:34am |
re: #21 lawhawk
I still think he likes it, lets him have it both ways.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:11:30am |
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:11:50am |
re: #29 Gus 802
lol, damn >>
Also the guy in the firefighter shirt looks like he’s ready to kick some ass!
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:12:16am |
re: #29 Gus 802
OK, this makes me curious.
What are those two women doing with their hands?
Raising them, i think. Isn’t the woman on the left black?
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:12:55am |
re: #32 Aceofwhat?
Oh yeah its totally some weird coincidence, probably.
Still damn strange tho’, a good shot.
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:13:05am |
re: #29 Gus 802
OK, this makes me curious.
What are those two women doing with their hands?
Trying to get the teacher to call on them.
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Gus Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:13:40am |
re: #32 Aceofwhat?
Raising them, i think. Isn’t the woman on the left black?
Looks like perhaps an American Indian or maybe Pacific Islander.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:13:52am |
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Cato the Elder Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:14:37am |
re: #26 wozzablog
Upstate.
Appalachia stretches far into New England, and the biggest rednecks I ever met lived in Massachusetts.
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tradewind Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:14:45am |
re: #34 JasonA
Beat me to it. Then again, that’s the universal symbol for so many things.
You could see the same upraised hands at ’ Yes We Can ’ rallies during the campaign.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:15:25am |
re: #36 Gus 802
Looks like perhaps an American Indian or maybe Pacific Islander.
Mmm, could very well be. Still, she seems like an unlikely candidate to be participating in the ol’ Sieg Heil, for which i’m grateful. This thing doesn’t need to get any creepier…
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:15:33am |
re: #41 tradewind
Lol is ‘but the Democrats!’ a reflex with you?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:15:51am |
re: #25 windsagio
I still really really wanna know what his sign says and/or means.
We’ll see once more pics come out.
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:16:16am |
re: #42 Aceofwhat?
Mmm, could very well be. Still, she seems like an unlikely candidate to be participating in the ol’ Sieg Heil, for which i’m grateful. This thing doesn’t need to get any creepier…
I’m not sure it can after that picture of Pelosi that Geller put up last night.
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:16:19am |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
Looks to be a humdinger of a protest on both sides, good news day!
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Cato the Elder Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:16:33am |
re: #29 Gus 802
OK, this makes me curious.
What are those two women doing with their hands?
And why does that firefighter look like an arsonist?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:17:15am |
The war is coming (video)
Notice Johny Reb in the center of the frame.
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:17:24am |
re: #48 Cato the Elder
He’s probably not really a firefighter, actually.
Yeah that guy looks like he’s on the verge of committing a crime of some sort.
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Stan the Demanded Plan Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:17:54am |
re: #46 JasonA
I’m not sure it can after that picture of Pelosi that Geller put up last night.
? Missed it. Probably good.
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:18:44am |
re: #49 Killgore Trout
That is Effed up. It’s a nice touch that she establishes her bona fides as a female Jew… Somebody tell me what that implies?
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Stan the Demanded Plan Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:19:08am |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:19:34am |
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:19:38am |
re: #53 Stanley Sea
worth seeking out? I haven’t actually seen it yet >
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Stan the Demanded Plan Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:20:52am |
re: #55 windsagio
worth seeking out? I haven’t actually seen it yet >
Ah, sometimes crazy in the morning is good. Go look! Probably 4th post down.
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Bubblehead II Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:21:04am |
OT. We now have a second fire burning. The smell of smoke is now starting to get into the house.
Fire burning out of control near Hagerman
Wildfire near Bell Rapids blankets Twin Falls county in smoke
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:21:11am |
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tradewind Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:21:18am |
re: #43 windsagio
LOL@ reflexive ’ reading-digs-at-dems - into-every comment ‘.
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darthstar Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:21:42am |
re: #55 windsagio
worth seeking out? I haven’t actually seen it yet >
Nancy always looks so good in leather. And the artist’s rendition of Geller actually makes her look like J Lo.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:21:47am |
re: #49 Killgore Trout
The war is coming (video)
Notice Johny Reb in the center of the frame.
Right in front of the Amish Market - “War Is Coming (If You Want It)”.
Sorry, John Lennon.
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tradewind Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:22:04am |
re: #48 Cato the Elder
When you’re a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:22:44am |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:23:13am |
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:23:53am |
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:23:58am |
re: #64 Killgore Trout
best caption though:
“Hate is best writ in pencil”
PS: I’m being dumb, can someone linkee me that img you’re talking about? Just can’t find it in my current state.
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:24:12am |
re: #65 Aceofwhat?
maybe he’s Australian and it’s a phonetic thing…?
//
See, I was thinking Boston accent.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:24:21am |
re: #65 Aceofwhat?
maybe he’s Australian and it’s a phonetic thing…?
//
I think he meant “masque”, as in the silly affair he’s attending.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:24:22am |
re: #58 Bubblehead II
OT. We now have a second fire burning. The smell of smoke is now starting to get into the house.
Fire burning out of control near Hagerman
Wildfire near Bell Rapids blankets Twin Falls county in smoke
yowza. are you in the potential path of that thing?
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:24:23am |
re: #65 Aceofwhat?
I think he’s a counter-protester that think’s he’s clever.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:24:36am |
re: #65 Aceofwhat?
maybe he’s Australian and it’s a phonetic thing…?
//
Actually I think he’s probably a lefty plant. He’s looking right at the camera and mosque is a pretty tough word to misspell.
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Gus Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:24:41am |
Here’s another photo of that lady.
Looks like it’s just a palm out like the do when people “testify” in church, or something like that.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:25:05am |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:25:18am |
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:25:21am |
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jaunte Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:26:59am |
re: #73 Gus 802
Here’s another photo of that lady.
Looks like it’s just a palm out like the do when people “testify” in church, or something like that.
Good rageboy expression in the middle.
“I popped a vein at the anti-mosque demo.”
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Bubblehead II Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:27:07am |
re: #70 Aceofwhat?
No, it’s about 25-30 miles west of town and is, currently, moving in a westward direction. But as anyone living in an area with lots of brush and grass, that can change in a matter of minutes depending on the wind.
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:27:31am |
re: #76 JasonA
That is certainly…. something else, isn’t it?
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spikester Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:27:45am |
re: #58 Bubblehead II
WOW
thats hard to see
that area is so pretty in its own ugly way
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Jeff In Ohio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:29:15am |
re: #77 jaunte
Hoepfully not on his rageboner™…that would be…um…ew.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:29:23am |
CNN about to do a story on questioning the President’s religion.
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tradewind Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:30:00am |
re: #58 Bubblehead II
Make sure you’re not in danger of getting caught in that.
Those things can switch direction and close in fast.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:31:15am |
re: #78 Bubblehead II
No, it’s about 25-30 miles west of town and is, currently, moving in a westward direction. But as anyone living in an area with lots of brush and grass, that can change in a matter of minutes depending on the wind.
true, although it’s more difficult for it to reverse course than to turn, given the lack of fuel behind it.
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tradewind Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:31:25am |
re: #82 jaunte
And I’ve seen Geller on CNN more than any other venue lately.
They must really be worried about Fox./
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b_sharp Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:31:36am |
re: #22 Racer X
I find the whole thing amusing.
Americans bomb the shit out of foreigners to show them how cool we are. Then treat foreigners like shit here.
Whine and bitch about the government taking religious freedoms away - then demand to take religious freedoms away from someone else.
And the funniest part of all? The atheists who vehemently support the mosque builders, yet bash christians at every opportunity. That cracks me up.
Depends on how you define bashing.
The only reason atheists seem to be bashing Christians at every opportunity is because NA is primarily Christian, and they hold the balance of power. Atheists are equal opportunity bashers, we bash all religions the same.
However our bashing has nothing to do with removing rights, but in making sure others have the same rights and in some cases this means focusing our bashing on those that are afraid of losing their privileged position.
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Wayne A. Schneider Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:31:50am |
I have been having an e-mail exchange with someone from Geller’s SIOA blog. (The e-mail is director@jihadwatch.org.) Their argument that the claim that the mosque will be built “at Ground Zero” is that the Burlington Coat Factory building at 45 Park Place was a target of the attacks (just because it was accidentally and randomly hit.) That would be like saying that all those wedding parties we accidentally bombed in Afghanistan and Pakistan were the intended targets. (Same rationale.) I don’t think this argument is over yet.
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What, me worry? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:32:28am |
re: #62 Cato the Elder
Right in front of the Amish Market - “War Is Coming (If You Want It)”.
Sorry, John Lennon.
Here is an article from the The Forward, “When Shuls Were Banned in America.”By Jonathan D. Sarna
Published August 11, 2010, issue of August 20, 2010.
When New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg stood on Governors Island, in sight of the Statue of Liberty, and forcefully defended the right of Muslims to build a community center and mosque two blocks from Ground Zero, he expressly made a point of distancing himself from an earlier leader of the city: Peter Stuyvesant, who understood the relationship between religion and state altogether differently than Bloomberg does.
As governor of what was then called New Amsterdam, from 1647-1664, Stuyvesant worked to enforce Calvinist orthodoxy. He objected to public worship for Lutherans, fought Catholicism and threatened those who harbored Quakers with fines and imprisonment. One might easily imagine how he would have treated Muslims.
It pains me a great deal to see Jews opposing the mosque. Maybe they’re ignorant of our own history or have simply forgotten it because life is now good for Jews in America, but certainly it hasn’t always been.
For me, there’s no choice but to support the Center because we can’t allow public opinion to interfere with our constitutional rights as citizens.
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reidr Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:32:33am |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
After seeing a few photos of both sides, I’d have to say the opponents come off looking worse. At least the other side isn’t holding up some nasty signs like “no clubhouse for terrorists”.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:32:37am |
re: #87 b_sharp
However our bashing has nothing to do with removing rights, but in making sure others have the same rights and in some cases this means focusing our bashing on those that are afraid of losing their privileged position.
That is true of good atheists like yourself and just about every other lizard…it’s not true of all atheists, though.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:32:54am |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
Actually I think he’s probably a lefty plant. He’s looking right at the camera and mosque is a pretty tough word to misspell.
Actually, in the full sized image you can see that he’s not really looking at the camera:
[Link: www.flickr.com…]
His t-shirt says “free massage.”
Could be a plant. But it’s impossible to tell, because some of those people really are that stupid.
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Bubblehead II Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:33:03am |
re: #84 tradewind
Slim chance of that happening. It’s 25-30 miles west of town and moving west. Right now the main problem is the smoke. Looking down the street, it looks like there is a light fog all around us.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:33:26am |
re: #86 tradewind
And I’ve seen Geller on CNN more than any other venue lately.
They must really be worried about Fox./
She’s certainly promoted herself into the news lately.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:34:13am |
Here’s Pamz looking especially young and fetching for a couple of Judeo-Christian masquers.
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:34:14am |
re: #92 Aceofwhat?
That is true of good atheists like yourself and just about every other lizard…it’s not true of all atheists, though.
I have never met an atheist who was interested in removing rights from religious people.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:34:16am |
re: #88 Wayne A. Schneider
I have been having an e-mail exchange with someone from Geller’s SIOA blog. (The e-mail is director@jihadwatch.org.) Their argument that the claim that the mosque will be built “at Ground Zero” is that the Burlington Coat Factory building at 45 Park Place was a target of the attacks (just because it was accidentally and randomly hit.) That would be like saying that all those wedding parties we accidentally bombed in Afghanistan and Pakistan were the intended targets. (Same rationale.) I don’t think this argument is over yet.
You’ve been exchanging emails with Robert Spencer.
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tradewind Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:34:47am |
re: #95 jaunte
Message notwithstanding, she’s got one hell of a publicist.
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:34:51am |
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Wayne A. Schneider Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:34:53am |
re: #22 Racer X
I find the whole thing amusing.
Americans bomb the shit out of foreigners to show them how cool we are. Then treat foreigners like shit here.
Whine and bitch about the government taking religious freedoms away - then demand to take religious freedoms away from someone else.
And the funniest part of all? The atheists who vehemently support the mosque builders, yet bash christians at every opportunity. That cracks me up.
I don’t bash Christians “at every opportunity.” I try only to bash the ones who are outright hypocrites. Politicians who make a big deal out of their religious beliefs who then act in ways contrary to their religious beliefs, and who then try to condemn us atheists for not having faith.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:35:57am |
re: #88 Wayne A. Schneider
I have been having an e-mail exchange with someone from Geller’s SIOA blog. (The e-mail is director@jihadwatch.org.) Their argument that the claim that the mosque will be built “at Ground Zero” is that the Burlington Coat Factory building at 45 Park Place was a target of the attacks (just because it was accidentally and randomly hit.) That would be like saying that all those wedding parties we accidentally bombed in Afghanistan and Pakistan were the intended targets. (Same rationale.) I don’t think this argument is over yet.
Unless Robert Spencer is having a intern or someone else answer his email, you’re conversing with Spencer himself.
Make a email folder and save all those emails. You’ll have fun with them later.
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webevintage Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:36:11am |
re: #96 Cato the Elder
Here’s Pamz looking especially young and fetching for a couple of Judeo-Christian masquers.
Pam, high waisted mom jeans never work on “women over a certain age” unless they want to be mistaken for someone’s grandma.
I’m just saying….
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:36:12am |
re: #93 Charles
I’m not being mean, but he seriously looks like some of our clients, some of which have it together enough to have poltical views. That could be it too.
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tradewind Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:36:21am |
re: #22 Racer X
Americans bomb the shit out of foreigners to show how cool we are
Yeah, that’s exactly why.//
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:36:35am |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:36:41am |
re: #98 Charles
You’ve been exchanging emails with Robert Spencer.
yikes. someone needs a peroxide shower…
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:37:53am |
re: #97 Obdicut
I have never met an atheist who was interested in removing rights from religious people.
i have never met a Christian who has done plenty of things that others have encountered here. our traveling in sane circles is commendable, but not necessarily encompassing.
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:38:16am |
re: #90 reidr
After seeing a few photos of both sides, I’d have to say the opponents come off looking worse. At least the other side isn’t holding up some nasty signs like “no clubhouse for terrorists”.
We’re fine with terrorists meeting just a few more blocks away from Ground Zero.
| 110 |
Lidane Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:38:24am |
Slight OT, but I had the misfortune earlier to get stuck in a cab with an Alex Jones disciple for a driver. Not only was he listening to Jones (who somehow managed to work owning gold, the Bilderberg Group, and 9/11 troofer bullshit into a rant in less than 5 minutes) but he had all sorts of Infowars accessories in his car, like pens and coffee mugs.
I swear, sometimes I weep for this country. *sigh*
| 111 |
reidr Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:38:26am |
re: #82 jaunte
CNN about to do a story on questioning the President’s religion.
A serious representative from each side, I hope? Yell for a few minutes and then “have to leave it there”?
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Wayne A. Schneider Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:38:31am |
re: #98 Charles
Thank you, Charles. That was the other name on the blog, and I didn’t think I would get “lucky enough” to have an exchange with the Queen of the Harpies herself. His latest argument is that while he is not opposed to religious freedom, he is opposed to “political Islam.” Sounds like he’s trying the typical right-wing tactic of moving the goal posts.
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:38:49am |
re: #108 Aceofwhat?
it is funny that at least within LGF its the atheists that are the evangelicals ;)
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Wayne A. Schneider Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:39:06am |
re: #102 Walter L. Newton
Unless Robert Spencer is having a intern or someone else answer his email, you’re conversing with Spencer himself.
Make a email folder and save all those emails. You’ll have fun with them later.
I intend to do exactly that. LOL!
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Gus Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:40:01am |
re: #113 windsagio
it is funny that at least within LGF its the atheists that are the evangelicals ;)
You consider me an evangelical?
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reidr Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:40:17am |
re: #96 Cato the Elder
Here’s Pamz looking especially young and fetching for a couple of Judeo-Christian masquers.
Curse you, I clicked!
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jaunte Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:40:51am |
re: #109 JasonA
We’re fine with terrorists meeting just a few more blocks away from Ground Zero.
The SIOA isn’t pep-rallying about terrorists meeting in secret.
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:41:06am |
re: #108 Aceofwhat?
i have never met a Christian who has done plenty of things that others have encountered here. our traveling in sane circles is commendable, but not necessarily encompassing.
Can you give me an example of a right that any atheist you’ve ever met would like to remove from religious people? Outside of those atheists for whom atheism is a subset of a larger dogma, like Randites or Communists, I’ve never heard of such a thing.
An actual example would be great.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:41:33am |
re: #88 Wayne A. Schneider
I have been having an e-mail exchange with someone from Geller’s SIOA blog. (The e-mail is director@jihadwatch.org.) Their argument that the claim that the mosque will be built “at Ground Zero” is that the Burlington Coat Factory building at 45 Park Place was a target of the attacks (just because it was accidentally and randomly hit.) That would be like saying that all those wedding parties we accidentally bombed in Afghanistan and Pakistan were the intended targets. (Same rationale.) I don’t think this argument is over yet.
That, as others have pointed out, would be Robert Spencer, the Poison Dwarf himself (pictured here with his Harpy and what looks like a very bored bodyguard).
Make sure you save everything. I have one from him in which he called me the heir to Julius Streicher.
That was before he went full-on Goebbels himself.
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:42:23am |
re: #115 Gus 802
Naturally I didn’t mean everyone, that’d be a pretty tough stretch :p
You know what I mean tho’, most groups don’t spend much effort on here trying to convince others their religion is wrong.
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:42:32am |
re: #113 windsagio
it is funny that at least within LGF its the atheists that are the evangelicals ;)
We’re on a mission from dog.
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Lidane Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:43:10am |
re: #82 jaunte
CNN about to do a story on questioning the President’s religion.
NPR posted something about that on their Facebook feed yesterday. Pretty much straight down the line, the comments were ripping NPR for even giving that nontroversy any coverage, or even wondering why Obama’s religion matters at all.
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What, me worry? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:45:08am |
re: #105 tradewind
Yeah, that’s exactly why.//
I wouldn’t say “to show how cool we are”, but there sure was a whole lotta empathy for the plight of the Iraqis living under Sadaam Hussein’s rule from the Republicans when the war began. How many of those people now oppose the mosque? Keep them free over there, but not here?
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Gus Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:45:42am |
re: #120 windsagio
Naturally I didn’t mean everyone, that’d be a pretty tough stretch :p
You know what I mean tho’, most groups don’t spend much effort on here trying to convince others their religion is wrong.
Yeah. I’ve seen a few. Having been here for almost 2 years I’ve seen the dogma come from both sides. I don’t think it’s productive to fall into the trap that Racer-X had set with his sweeping generalization because there’s a split amongst atheists as to Park51. This includes Pat Condell who’s against it and is always ragging on Christians, Judaism and other religions. So much so that I stopped listening to him.
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reidr Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:46:12am |
re: #123 marjoriemoon
Keep them free over there, but not here?
I think you mean “keep them free over there so we don’t have to over here”?
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jaunte Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:46:47am |
re: #122 Lidane
NPR posted something about that on their Facebook feed yesterday. Pretty much straight down the line, the comments were ripping NPR for even giving that nontroversy any coverage, or even wondering why Obama’s religion matters at all.
Apparently they’re continuing to report on the spreading misinformation:
“We are in such a highly polarized political environment. Our country is sorting itself into more closely knit, opposing factions each year” — factions, DiFonzo suggests, that in turn become “echo chambers” for factoids that aren’t fact at all.Nearly one in five people, or 18 percent, said they think Obama is Muslim, up from the 11 percent who said so in March 2009, according to a poll released Thursday. The proportion who correctly say he is a Christian is just 34 percent, down from 48 percent in March of last year.
[Link: www.npr.org…]
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:46:51am |
re: #124 Gus 802
Yeah. I’ve seen a few. Having been here for almost 2 years I’ve seen the dogma come from both sides. I don’t think it’s productive to fall into the trap that Racer-X had set with his sweeping generalization because there’s a split amongst atheists as to Park51. This includes Pat Condell who’s against it and is always ragging on Christians, Judaism and other religions. So much so that I stopped listening to him.
Same here. That man’s on a crusade.
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windsagio Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:47:52am |
re: #124 Gus 802
oh yeah, you’ll notice I didn’t even touch his post. I agree with you there.
I just get tired of the drumbeat, there’s generally one good outbreak a week >>
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Gus Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:48:06am |
re: #127 JasonA
Same here. That man’s on a crusade.
After a while I just go to the point where I thought to myself, “enough already”.
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tradewind Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:48:22am |
re: #123 marjoriemoon
Our military action in Iraq was not about religious freedom.
Even if it had, I can’t see a link between that and the American people opposing or supporting the building of a particular structure in a particular location.
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reidr Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:49:07am |
re: #126 jaunte
Apparently they’re continuing to report on the spreading misinformation:
The proportion who correctly say he is a Christian is just 34 percent, down from 48 percent in March of last year.
The correct correct answer, which I hope fills in the large gap of respondents, is “who cares?”.
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:49:30am |
re: #127 JasonA
Same here. That man’s on a crusade.
Heh. Sounds like the zealousness of a convert, but inverted.
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Gus Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:50:18am |
re: #133 Obdicut
Heh. Sounds like the zealousness of a convert, but inverted.
Yeah. Then he aligned himself with those loons at UKIP.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:50:21am |
re: #118 Obdicut
Can you give me an example of a right that any atheist you’ve ever met would like to remove from religious people? Outside of those atheists for whom atheism is a subset of a larger dogma, like Randites or Communists, I’ve never heard of such a thing.
An actual example would be great.
An actual example of you actually understanding what someone actually posted and not you actually adding stuff to it would actually be refreshing
actually!
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:51:21am |
re: #135 sattv4u2
An actual example of you actually understanding what someone actually posted and not you actually adding stuff to it would actually be refreshing
actually!
That’s nice.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:52:08am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:54:47am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:55:13am |
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What, me worry? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:55:23am |
re: #125 reidr
I think you mean “keep them free over there so we don’t have to over here”?
I guess that must be it then.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:55:46am |
re: #13 Charles
Hard to look worse than this. Notice the cretin wearing a Dixie flag. Where did they find this many hillbillies in New York City?
I hope this stereotyping isn’t offensive; but the guy holding the “You can build a Mosque at Ground Zero when we can build a Synagogue in Mecca”?
He don’t look Jewish.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:56:00am |
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:56:24am |
re: #140 sattv4u2
Are you okay? You’re replying to yourself, and making no sense.
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:56:53am |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:57:20am |
re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope this stereotyping isn’t offensive; but the guy holding the “You can build a Mosque at Ground Zero when we can build a Synagogue in Mecca”?
He don’t look Jewish.
Neither did Sammy Davis Jr.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:57:45am |
re: #145 Gus 802
An ignore button still sounds like a good idea.
Mine is internal, and functions remarkably well.
I so happy!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:58:34am |
re: #144 Obdicut
Are you okay? You’re replying to yourself, and making no sense.
Actually, I replied to YOU
(#135)((waytomissthepoint))
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:58:43am |
re: #147 Spare O’Lake
Looked more Jewish than that guy.
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What, me worry? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 11:59:29am |
re: #130 tradewind
Our military action in Iraq was not about religious freedom.
Even if it had, I can’t see a link between that and the American people opposing or supporting the building of a particular structure in a particular location.
I heard a lot from Republicans about empathy towards the Iraqis. Oppressed people living under a dictatorship. The Republicans support the Cuban people, too, against tyranny. But they have to do it in their own country. A country that guarantees freedom now, today. Personal feelings aside, there is no other answer.
Is this a place we wanna go? Who is next?
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:00:42pm |
re: #148 Racer X
Mine is internal, and functions remarkably well.
I so happy!
Did you say something?
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What, me worry? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:01:09pm |
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b_sharp Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:02:49pm |
re: #108 Aceofwhat?
i have never met a Christian who has done plenty of things that others have encountered here. our traveling in sane circles is commendable, but not necessarily encompassing.
Ace, do you have an example of an atheist wanting to remove the rights of the religious?
Many of us work towards a time when religion is viewed as astrology is today, but we do it by making sure science is kept science, education is not influenced by a particular religion, and by educating the religious on the sources of atheist moral values and purpose in life.
There is some yowling about religious indoctrination by parents as a form of child abuse, but that is just a bit of quasi-cathartic barking at the moon.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:09:39pm |
re: #156 b_sharp
Ace, do you have an example of an atheist wanting to remove the rights of the religious?
Many of us work towards a time when religion is viewed as astrology is today, but we do it by making sure science is kept science, education is not influenced by a particular religion, and by educating the religious on the sources of atheist moral values and purpose in life.
There is some yowling about religious indoctrination by parents as a form of child abuse, but that is just a bit of quasi-cathartic barking at the moon.
Where did he say he did?
Obdicut tried to add that to what ACE DID say
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:12:55pm |
re: #157 sattv4u2
Where did he say he did?
Obdicut tried to add that to what ACE DID say
You just suck at reading comprehension.
Ace said, in response to:
However our bashing has nothing to do with removing rights,
This:
That is true of good atheists like yourself and just about every other lizard…it’s not true of all atheists, though.
So, Satt— what is Ace saing is ‘not true of good atheists like yourself’?
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:14:01pm |
re: #157 sattv4u2
Where did he say he did?
Obdicut tried to add that to whatACE DID say
Have you read the conversation at all?
re: #97 Obdicut
I have never met an atheist who was interested in removing rights from religious people.
re: #108 Aceofwhat?
i have never met a Christian who has done plenty of things that others have encountered here. our traveling in sane circles is commendable, but not necessarily encompassing.
So, uhhh, you’re wrong.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:16:14pm |
re: #158 Obdicut
You just suck at reading comprehension.
Ace said, in response to:
This:
So, Satt— what is Ace saing is ‘not true of good atheists like yourself’?
So you can categorically state that “all atheists” do not want to remove any rights
((on the heels of you stating Outside of those atheists for whom atheism is a subset of a larger dogma, like Randites or Communists)
So you get to set the limits iof which atheists can and cannot be included!!
cool
Does Ace get to set the limits of which Christiajns can and can’t be included??
You just suck at reading writing comprehension.
:)
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:17:07pm |
re: #160 sattv4u2
So you can categorically state that “all atheists” do not want to remove any rights
Thank you for admitting you were wrong.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:18:05pm |
re: #161 Obdicut
Thank you for admitting you were wrong.
not a problem
Yours is coming too, I assume!
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:19:26pm |
re: #162 sattv4u2
I didn’t say anything wrong. You falsely claimed that Ace hadn’t said some atheists want to remove rights from religious people. You’ve admitted you were wrong about that. So thank you.
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:20:03pm |
re: #163 Obdicut
I didn’t say anything wrong. You falsely claimed that Ace hadn’t said some atheists want to remove rights from religious people. You’ve admitted you were wrong about that. So thank you.
Don’t sweat it. He just can’t stomach being wrong if no one else is too.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:21:43pm |
re: #163 Obdicut
I didn’t say anything wrong. You falsely claimed that Ace hadn’t said some atheists want to remove rights from religious people. You’ve admitted you were wrong about that. So thank you.
Of course you didn’t
As I said, as long as you can eliminate those atheists that don’t
REALLY count, the game is easy!!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:22:24pm |
re: #164 JasonA
Don’t sweat it. He just can’t stomach being wrong if no one else is too.
You would be wrong
but
Thanks for the company!!
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:23:03pm |
re: #165 sattv4u2
You don’t even really try to make sense, do you?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:23:25pm |
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:24:27pm |
re: #166 sattv4u2
You would be wrong
but
Thanks for the company!!
Of course I am. Great job misreading the whole conversation, by the way. You fucked that up in a top-notch way.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:27:42pm |
re: #169 JasonA
Of course I am. Great job misreading the whole conversation, by the way. You fucked that up in a top-notch way.
THE post I commented on, the one that Obdi replied too,l ACE made NO mention of atheists taking away rights
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Where in 108 does ACE say or hint at it
I’ll wait
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:28:54pm |
re: #169 JasonA
Of course I am. Great job misreading the whole conversation, by the way. You fucked that up in a top-notch way.
((and thanks for admitting you’re wrong ,, cathartic ,, isn’t it!!)))
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:31:40pm |
re: #170 sattv4u2
THE post I commented on, the one that Obdi replied too,l ACE made NO mention of atheists taking away rights
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]Where in 108 does ACE say or hint at it
I’ll wait
So it’s okay that Ace completely changed the subject, then, if that’s how you’re interpreting this? Nor is it alright that Obdi was returning the conversation to where it had been?
You are beaten. It is useless to resist.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:33:27pm |
re: #172 JasonA
So it’s okay that Ace completely changed the subject, then, if that’s how you’re interpreting this? Nor is it alright that Obdi was returning the conversation to where it had been?
You are beaten. It is useless to resist.
So it’s okay that you completely didn’t answer my direct question, then.
((Wow ,, this game is fun!!))
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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:35:14pm |
re: #173 sattv4u2
So it’s okay that you completely didn’t answer my direct question, then.
((Wow ,, this game is fun!!))
What question? This one? “Where in 108 does ACE say or hint at it”
He doesn’t. Which, as I’ve demonstrated, is irrelevant.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:37:58pm |
re: #174 JasonA
What question? This one? “Where in 108 does ACE say or hint at it”
He doesn’t. Which, as I’ve demonstrated, is irrelevant.
because you say so
So now we have Obdi making up rules of which Atheists can and cannot be included and you deciding what is and is not relevant
((is there somewhere on the innertoobies I can buy one of these rule books, or is it a “ing it” kinda thing!!)
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:39:15pm |
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prairiefire Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:45:44pm |
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prairiefire Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:47:04pm |
re: #156 b_sharp
Ace, do you have an example of an atheist wanting to remove the rights of the religious?
Many of us work towards a time when religion is viewed as astrology is today, but we do it by making sure science is kept science, education is not influenced by a particular religion, and by educating the religious on the sources of atheist moral values and purpose in life.
There is some yowling about religious indoctrination by parents as a form of child abuse, but that is just a bit of quasi-cathartic barking at the moon.
How about the father who was an atheist and did not want his daughter to say the pledge of allegiance?
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:48:21pm |
re: #178 prairiefire
How about the father who was an atheist and did not want his daughter to say the pledge of allegiance?
But was the daughter religious?
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:49:08pm |
re: #178 prairiefire
How about the father who was an atheist and did not want his daughter to say the pledge of allegiance?
Who’s right is getting taken away in that circumstance?
Wasn’t that just an ugly custody battle, in the end?
The closest I can think of any atheist wanting rights taken away from the religious is people who think that churches et al. don’t deserve to be tax-free. I’d disagree with that, but I would say that churches should be a hell of a lot more apolitical than they have been over the past decade.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:49:09pm |
re: #178 prairiefire
How about the father who was an atheist and did not want his daughter to say the pledge of allegiance?
ruh roh
Michael Newdow
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prairiefire Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:53:27pm |
re: #179 wozzablog
She was a minor at the time and the media was pretty much silent on the child’s own thoughts. Her mother didn’t much care for it.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:54:05pm |
re: #180 Obdicut
don’t deserve to be tax-free. I’d disagree with that, but I would say that churches should be a hell of a lot more apolitical than they have been over the past decade.
Problem with that is the very people that can determine whether or not they can remain tax free ARE politicians.
Lets say a pol was running on a platform TO tax church properties/ assets to help with the local tax base. Would you not expect the church itself to mount a counter-defense?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 12:59:14pm |
re: #184 Obdicut
Do go on.
wow ,, why didn’t I think of that as THE perfect solution to the question I posed!!
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b_sharp Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:01:03pm |
re: #178 prairiefire
How about the father who was an atheist and did not want his daughter to say the pledge of allegiance?
Didn’t he want a separation of church and state?
How is that attacking Christianity? That would be a pretty broad definition wouldn’t it?
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prairiefire Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:03:32pm |
The question was for one case were an atheist wanted to take a right from a Christian. The situation came to my mind as “one case.”
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:04:35pm |
re: #187 prairiefire
The question was for one case were an atheist wanted to take a right from a Christian. The situation came to my mind as “one case.”
What right is being taken away, though?
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prairiefire Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:08:27pm |
re: #188 Obdicut
Her “right” to say the pledge of allegiance to the US that contains the words “under God.”
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:08:31pm |
re: #187 prairiefire
The question was for one case were an atheist wanted to take a right from a Christian. The situation came to my mind as “one case.”
If he was trying to remove the right from the entire class - then it would be apt, but withdrawing ones own daughter i think makes it a little bit of a thin ice in supporting the proposition.
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:10:10pm |
re: #189 prairiefire
Her “right” to say the pledge of allegiance to the US that contains the words “under God.”
No. She still has that right. I think you misunderstood the case.
He wanted teachers to be prohibited from leading the class in that pledge, in public schools.
He didn’t want children to be prevented from saying it.
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prairiefire Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:10:56pm |
re: #191 Obdicut
No. She still has that right. I think you misunderstood the case.
He wanted teachers to be prohibited from leading the class in that pledge, in public schools.
He didn’t want children to be prevented from saying it.
What is the difference?
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b_sharp Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:11:07pm |
re: #189 prairiefire
Her “right” to say the pledge of allegiance to the US that contains the words “under God.”
Was he complaining that having the phrase ‘under god’ in the pledge is a mixing of state and religion?
I don’t remember much of the case.
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:11:15pm |
re: #190 wozzablog
If he was trying to remove the right from the entire class - then it would be apt, but withdrawing ones own daughter i think makes it a little bit of a thin ice in supporting the proposition.
That wasn’t it, though. He filed suit on behalf of his daughter, but it was a basic separation of religion and state issue; it was because the teacher compelled it.
The court rejected it on the grounds that it wasn’t really compelled. Well, first they said he had no standing, but then when another group was found to have standing, they rejected it.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:11:20pm |
re: #190 wozzablog
If he was trying to remove the right from the entire class - then it would be apt, but withdrawing ones own daughter i think makes it a little bit of a thin ice in supporting the proposition.
He is best known for his efforts to have recitations of the current version of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools in the United States declared unconstitutional because of its inclusion of the phrase “under God”
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
not just for his daughter
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prairiefire Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:11:45pm |
re: #190 wozzablog
If he was trying to remove the right from the entire class - then it would be apt, but withdrawing ones own daughter i think makes it a little bit of a thin ice in supporting the proposition.
I realize I am employing a strict interpretation of the question.
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:12:02pm |
re: #192 prairiefire
What is the difference?
What do you mean, what’s the difference?
You said that he wanted children to be prevented from saying the pledge. That’s not at all true.
So, that’s different.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:12:13pm |
He also filed and lost a lawsuit to stop the invocation prayer at President Bush’s second inauguration[1][2][3] and, most recently, he filed a lawsuit to prevent references to God and religion from being part of President Obama’s inauguration.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:13:13pm |
re: #197 Obdicut
What do you mean, what’s the difference?
You said that he wanted children to be prevented from saying the pledge. That’s not at all true.
So, that’s different.
umm,..,,, errrr ,,,,
He is best known for his efforts to have recitations of the current version of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools in the United States declared unconstitutional because of its inclusion of the phrase “under God”
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:14:41pm |
re: #195 sattv4u2
He is best known for his efforts to have recitations of the current version of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools in the United States declared unconstitutional because of its inclusion of the phrase “under God”
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
not just for his daughter
Fine, not the gist i got of the earlier discussion, my bad.
Besides the fact that Under God is hideously outmoded Anti-Red device - Americans are not “under god” but under “their creator”.
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prairiefire Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:15:08pm |
re: #191 Obdicut
No. She still has that right. I think you misunderstood the case.
He wanted teachers to be prohibited from leading the class in that pledge, in public schools.
He didn’t want children to be prevented from saying it.
What is the difference between not wanting teachers leading the class of children in the pledge, and the not wanting the childre to be prevented from saying it. Would the children recite the pledge on their own in school, if that was still the wish of the school district?
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b_sharp Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:17:10pm |
re: #201 wozzablog
Fine, not the gist i got of the earlier discussion, my bad.
Besides the fact that Under God is hideously outmoded Anti-Red device - Americans are not “under god” but under “their creator”.
If this thread is flowing from my original comment, could someone explain how removing the words ‘under god’ from the pledge is an attack on Christianity rather than an attempt to separate religion and the State.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:17:21pm |
re: #200 Obdicut
Do go on.
about what
YOU being wrong this time??
Will there be an admission, or a dance
I can’t wait to see!!
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Obdicut Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:17:38pm |
re: #202 prairiefire
What is the difference between not wanting teachers leading the class of children in the pledge, and the not wanting the childre to be prevented from saying it. Would the children recite the pledge on their own in school, if that was still the wish of the school district?
Seriously? I’m not getting how you’re not understanding this.
If you prevent children from saying it, you’re forbidding saying it. There’s something done to prevent them from saying it.
If you prevent the teachers from leading them in it, that’s all you do. You don’t have teachers leading them in the pledge. If they want to, on their own, say it, they can.
It is pretty identical to school prayer. Praying in school is not forbidden. Teachers leading students in prayer is.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:18:01pm |
re: #202 prairiefire
What is the difference between not wanting teachers leading the class of children in the pledge, and the not wanting the childre to be prevented from saying it. Would the children recite the pledge on their own in school, if that was still the wish of the school district?
Its the “prayer in schools” thing. Kids can pray - but teachers can’t lead it, same distinction here.
Nothing will stop kids getting their a couple of minutes early for class salute the flag and pledge to beat the Reds “under god” in verse form - while then paying for their lunch with money thats says “under god”.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:18:27pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:19:10pm |
re: #201 wozzablog
Fine, not the gist i got of the earlier discussion, my bad.
Besides the fact that Under God is hideously outmoded Anti-Red device - Americans are not “under god” but under “their creator”.
No problem
I was just pointing it out because someone stated the Newdow didn’t want JUST his daughter not saying it
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 22, 2010 1:21:26pm |
re: #209 sattv4u2
No problem
I was just pointing it out because someone stated the Newdow didn’t want JUST his daughter not saying it
wow ,, what a terribly constructed sentence!!
I’M SORRY, SISTER MARY AGNUS!!!!
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elbruce Sun, Aug 22, 2010 3:16:27pm |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
I was just checking out pics of today’s mosque protests. Unfortunately the mosque supporters come off looking worse than the mosque opponents…
[Link: www.daylife.com…][Link: www.daylife.com…]
Fucking idiots.
They look OK to me. Sure, they’re angry, but it’s not like they’re doing effigies or anything.
Sounds to me like you’re more upset by who they are than what they’re saying or doing there. I checked out socialistworker.org, and it basically looks like an anti-Drudge at worst. Mostly updates on various strikes and such.
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re: #29 Gus 802
OK, this makes me curious.
What are those two women doing with their hands?
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elbruce Sun, Aug 22, 2010 3:20:19pm |
re: #194 Obdicut
That wasn’t it, though. He filed suit on behalf of his daughter, but it was a basic separation of religion and state issue; it was because the teacher compelled it.
The court rejected it on the grounds that it wasn’t really compelled. Well, first they said he had no standing, but then when another group was found to have standing, they rejected it.
“OK, any of you who are heathen athiests may go stand in the hall while the class recites the pledge of allegiance.”
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Too Old Canuck Sun, Aug 22, 2010 3:50:34pm |
Fascinating thread, says I, peering southward across the border from frozen Kanuckistan.
A question: How can it be that the odious Pammy Geller who writes (and thinks) like a 15yr. old mall rat with a yeast infection succeed in accumulating so much influence? Her tedious posts have the intellectual rigor and depth of a wiki entry on vampire hygiene and the rhetorical grace of a scatological limerick. Is hers the emerging voice of American conservatism? If so, oh dear.
Be there an American conservative Republican or libertarian reading this comment who might say “NO” and explain to me that she is something of an unfortunate bit of static in the conservative polity?
And what of her sister mall rat, the peculiar Ms. Malkin? But one question is enough.
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