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Understand this, I mean to arrive at the truth. The truth, however ugly in itself, is always curious and beautiful to seekers after it.
— Agatha Christie
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:57:08pm |
The Wasp and the Unicorn is a great show.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:02:30pm |
re: #1 EmmmieG
The Wasp and the Unicorn is a great show.
The Unicorn and the Wasp. Got them reversed.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:06:00pm |
I think everyone went to watch the show.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:07:11pm |
Dum, dee, dum...
I wonder what I could take apart with my sonic screwdriver?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:08:38pm |
Let's see, i could spend a ton of money on expensive cosmetics...or I can spend it on new drum triggers for my Roland TD6 and a couple VESA mounts for my monitors
EVIL MOONBAT HIPPIE LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:09:24pm |
re: #6 WindUpBird
Let's see, i could spend a ton of money on expensive cosmetics...or I can spend it on new drum triggers for my Roland TD6 and a couple VESA mounts for my monitors
EVIL MOONBAT HIPPIE LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Hey WUB...
How many Pearl District Hipsters does it take to screw in a light bulb?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:10:04pm |
re: #7 EmmmieG
Hey WUB...
How many Pearl District Hipsters does it take to screw in a light bulb?
ahahahaha you must tell me :D
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:10:54pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:11:15pm |
The Who - The Seeker
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:12:27pm |
re: #7 EmmmieG
Hey WUB...
How many Pearl District Hipsters does it take to screw in a light bulb?
I think the only time I was near the Pearl recently (powells doesn't count!) was to see the Burning Man documentary at Cinema 21, I'm all about the SE Portland, give me some bars on Division, gimme my dive bars
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Killgore Trout Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:13:07pm |
Earth Died Screaming, while I lay dreaming
"It rained mackerel, it rained trout"
/Namaste, y'all
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:13:17pm |
re: #11 WindUpBird
I think the only time I was near the Pearl recently (powells doesn't count!) was to see the Burning Man documentary at Cinema 21, I'm all about the SE Portland, give me some bars on Division, gimme my dive bars
Powells counts. It's on the correct side of the river.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:15:16pm |
re: #13 EmmmieG
Powells counts. It's on the correct side of the river.
yeeahhhh but it's a state landmark :D
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:16:09pm |
re: #14 WindUpBird
yeeahhh but it's a state landmark :D
What does that have to do with it?
It probably also qualifies as a religion for some Portlanders.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:20:58pm |
Good night. The batteries in the sonic screwdriver have worn out. That's okay, because the daleks took the night off, anyway.
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:22:05pm |
i lived in portland most of the 70s
i could rent a room for $150/m, work minimum wage at $2.50/hr, and save money
there were a lot of old empty houses in the s.e. down towards the water
is the brooklyn diner still there?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:22:24pm |
re: #15 EmmmieG
What does that have to do with it?
It probably also qualifies as a religion for some Portlanders.
When i think The Pearl, I think of the upscale boutiques and restaurants and the warehouse stores for the ultra-hip and the folks who make serious bank. ;-) Which, ya know, cool, I've been to a couple of Pearl district restaurants that I've liked, but it's really not my scene at all.
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Summer Seale Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:22:47pm |
Hey everyone,
Still in Shanghai for another week or so. Just something funny I had to mention...
There are very few sites in English that are blocked by "The great firewall of China", mostly because they really don't care if foreigners look at stuff on the internet. Most people in China speak only Chinese. For example: I'm currently freely accessing LGF. As political as LGF can be, it isn't blocked.
The funny thing is this: summerseale.com is blocked.
Something written there must have seriously pissed them off. =)
Yay.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:24:26pm |
Mississippi Rep. Gene Taylor (D) on Nancy Pelosi:
“As much as I dislike Gingrich, and I do, when that guy realized that he was a drag on his party, he walked away.”
She ain't walking away. There is still more destruction she has to do to her party still.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:24:57pm |
re: #17 engineer dog
i lived in portland most of the 70s
i could rent a room for $150/m, work minimum wage at $2.50/hr, and save money
there were a lot of old empty houses in the s.e. down towards the water
is the brooklyn diner still there?
Yyou can't rent a room for $150 a month anymore, but you can still rent one for not a whole lot more than that :D Have not heard of the Brooklyn Diner tho.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:27:04pm |
re: #19 Summer
Hey everyone,
Still in Shanghai for another week or so. Just something funny I had to mention...
There are very few sites in English that are blocked by "The great firewall of China", mostly because they really don't care if foreigners look at stuff on the internet. Most people in China speak only Chinese. For example: I'm currently freely accessing LGF. As political as LGF can be, it isn't blocked.
The funny thing is this: summerseale.com is blocked.
Something written there must have seriously pissed them off. =)
Yay.
My niece lives there in Shanghai. If you see her tell her she needs to pay off her student loan. My wife is tired of making the payments.
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Summer Seale Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:28:39pm |
re: #22 NJDhockeyfan
Well it would be at least a one in twenty-two million chance, but if I do see her I'll make sure that, after the lightning moment of "Shit, I shoulda bought a lottery ticket!" passes, I shall tell her. =)
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:29:51pm |
re: #23 Summer
Well it would be at least a one in twenty-two million chance, but if I do see her I'll make sure that, after the lightning moment of "Shit, I shoulda bought a lottery ticket!" passes, I shall tell her. =)
Thank you. I knew I could count on you!
:)
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:32:26pm |
22 million people in Shanghai? Jebus Cheerist....
And no NFL team........ wow.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:33:23pm |
Pelosi is having a bad week. Here's another Dem letting her know how he feels...
Just-defeated Rep. Allen Boyd (D-Fla.) rose in Tuesday’s caucus meeting to declare that Pelosi is “the face of our defeat.” He told his soon-to-be-former colleagues that “we need new leadership.” His sentiments, a stinging blow for Pelosi because her camp sought his vocal support after he lost, were seconded by other lawmakers who were defeated and by some who won reelection, according to attendees.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:34:07pm |
re: #25 Mr Pancakes
22 million people in Shanghai? Jebus Cheerist...
And no NFL team... wow.
I hope they have a baseball or hockey team at least.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:37:13pm |
re: #26 NJDhockeyfan
Pelosi is having a bad week. Here's another Dem letting her know how he feels...
Just-defeated Rep. Allen Boyd (D-Fla.) rose in Tuesday’s caucus meeting to declare that Pelosi is “the face of our defeat.”
Another BOTOX surgery gone wrong.
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elizajane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:41:01pm |
re: #28 Mr Pancakes
Just-defeated Rep. Allen Boyd (D-Fla.) rose in Tuesday’s caucus meeting to declare that Pelosi is “the face of our defeat.”
Another BOTOX surgery gone wrong.
I'm kind of a Nancy Pelosi fan, but that was funny.
In the "you couldn't make it up" category, check out the Palin girls slagging off other kids on Facebook who didn't like Mom's TV show. My favorite one is where Bristol tells some guy, "You'll be as successful as my baby daddy."
She can't really have said that, right? It's a tasteless joke, right?
[Link: www.tmz.com...]
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:43:41pm |
re: #29 elizajane
I'm kind of a Nancy Pelosi fan, but that was funny.
In the "you couldn't make it up" category, check out the Palin girls slagging off other kids on Facebook who didn't like Mom's TV show. My favorite one is where Bristol tells some guy, "You'll be as successful as my baby daddy."
She can't really have said that, right? It's a tasteless joke, right?
[Link: www.tmz.com...]
Leave it to TMZ. These kids really need to keep it under wraps...... I've said it before and I'll say it again..... Facebook bad.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:47:31pm |
Not everything is epic, shitheads.
The word "epic" is one of the most misused and overused filler words in the English language.
If you have used the word out of context, which means any time since 2008, you should stop whatever it is you're doing and start plowing fields, because you lack the ability to form language that doesn't involve mimicking others, and are therefore a cow.
The word epic should only be used to describe two or three things, ever. In fact, here's a comprehensive list of all things epic:
NSFW, obviously.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:50:24pm |
re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth
Not everything is epic, shitheads.
NSFW, obviously.
I use it to describe music sometimes.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:53:56pm |
re: #32 Mr Pancakes
That's one of the signs of "highness". Over appreciation of music.
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:55:07pm |
ah so random, but this re-tweet by Roger Ebert
Margoandhow
The odd evolution of "junk." For a long time it meant unwanted stuff, then hard drugs. Now, it signifies genitals. Next it will be - what?
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elizajane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:55:24pm |
re: #32 Mr Pancakes
I use it to describe music sometimes.
But only if it's Wagner, right? Like, not Chopin. Chopin is never epic.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:56:07pm |
re: #33 Slumbering Behemoth
That's one of the signs of "highness". Over appreciation of music.
Guilty as charged.... but it has to be a song that is at least 8 minutes long or longer.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:56:35pm |
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:56:57pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:57:51pm |
re: #38 Mr Pancakes
Dude
Unfiltered Behemoth. Ya gets what you pay for.
/sometimes much more if you're really nice.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 10:58:56pm |
re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth
Unfiltered Behemoth. Ya gets what you pay for.
/sometimes much more if you're really nice.
I was giving you a look of stern regard.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:00:41pm |
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:01:07pm |
re: #35 elizajane
But only if it's Wagner, right? Like, not Chopin. Chopin is never epic.
Wagner..... Chopin......... I often get them mixed up.
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elizajane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:01:48pm |
A quiet whoopee as my karma reaches 999.
Some time tonight, as I sleep, somebody will upding some comment of mine and I will have 1000 and it will be...
EPIC.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:02:33pm |
re: #43 elizajane
A quiet whoopee as my karma reaches 999.
Some time tonight, as I sleep, somebody will upding some comment of mine and I will have 1000 and it will be...
EPIC.
DING!
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:03:37pm |
re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth
Unfiltered Behemoth. Ya gets what you pay for.
/sometimes much more if you're really nice.
You always see it beneath the surface, but when it appears, holy pearl grasping batgirl!
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:04:05pm |
re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth
I counter with...
Look: Pensive Apprehension.
/
Looking back with a nod of quiet acceptance.
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elizajane Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:04:46pm |
And I hadn't even had time to log off!
[Grins]
Now I can go to sleep in the knowledge that my karma has passed this mystical number.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:06:39pm |
You get a pass SB,
I got hammered a few weeks ago by saying I wanted to cover someone (ahem) with maple syrup when my name is Mr Pancakes for christ sakes!
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:07:22pm |
re: #47 elizajane
And I hadn't even had time to log off!
[Grins]
Now I can go to sleep in the knowledge that my karma has passed this mystical number.
Yea.... you are over the hill now....... goodnight!
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:13:29pm |
Goodnight all...... I love ya Stanley..... even though you are a lib. (wink)
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:15:21pm |
re: #50 Mr Pancakes
Goodnight all... I love ya Stanley... even though you are a lib. (wink)
I love IHOP. Makes me laugh, I click every time I see you! Nite!
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:17:19pm |
re: #51 Stanley Sea
I love IHOP. Makes me laugh, I click every time I see you! Nite!
Great that I can bring some humor by just showing up. Niterz Stanley!!!!!!!!!!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:20:42pm |
re: #45 Stanley Sea
holy pearl grasping batgirl!
Hmm... A "pearl" grasping Batgirl. It's like you can read my mind.
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:21:46pm |
re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth
Hmm... A "pearl" grasping Batgirl. It's like you can read my mind.
LOL, that was a revision too!
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:22:03pm |
re: #52 Mr Pancakes
Great that I can bring some humor by just showing up. Niterz Stanley!!!
Nite to you!!!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:22:42pm |
re: #48 Mr Pancakes
You get a pass SB,
I got hammered a few weeks ago by saying I wanted to cover someone (ahem) with maple syrup when my name is Mr Pancakes for christ sakes!
A pass for what? Perfectly natural urges? Mind you, I am part of the "Oral Majority", and have never heard a complaint about it out here in the meat world.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:35:39pm |
re: #26 NJDhockeyfan
Pelosi is having a bad week. Here's another Dem letting her know how he feels...
Cranky Blue Dog fails to keep seat, says mean things about Pelosi.
She can probably handle the stress.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:39:15pm |
Note To Self: When wanting to quiet down late night comments on LGF, make allusions to male on female cunnilingus with hamfisted euphemisms.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:40:23pm |
re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth
Note To Self: When wanting to quiet down late night comments on LGF, make allusions to male on female cunnilingus with hamfisted euphemisms.
/
Dude, it's the middle of the night.
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:49:19pm |
re: #60 Stanley Sea
ha, what else to say?
uh, I mean your comment SFZ, not SB's!!! clarity. clarity.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:50:10pm |
re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist
Dude, it's the middle of the night.
Oh, so most everyone else is down to it already? I'm yakkin' while they're mackin'? Bummer for me, I guess. :(
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:55:54pm |
re: #63 Stanley Sea
Sooo... How you doin'?
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RadicalModerate Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:56:14pm |
Yikes. This sounds like it could be potentially bad news.
Bill Nye of 'the Science Guy' fame collapses during speech at USC [Updated]
[Updated at 10:52 p.m.: Tristan Camacho, a USC senior who attended the lecture, said Nye was walking toward the podium when he collapsed mid-sentence. "Then after about 10 seconds, he popped back up with much gusto and asked everybody how long he was out for and went on with a story about how a similar thing happened to him that morning."
Nye appeared determined to finish his presentation, but began slurring his words and stumbled against his laptop, Camacho said. At first, Nye refused the offer of a chair and continued taking sips from a water bottle. Camacho said Nye was eventually removed from the stage.
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:57:23pm |
re: #64 Slumbering Behemoth
Sooo... How you doin'?
I'm surviving!! Worked a 12 hour day, should be exhausted, but nooo, am wired. Tomorrow will be interesting.
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TedStriker Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:59:00pm |
re: #65 RadicalModerate
Yikes. This sounds like it could be potentially bad news.
Bill Nye of 'the Science Guy' fame collapses during speech at USC [Updated]
Damn...I hope he'll be OK, but the people in the room apparently just watched and updated their freaking Twitter:
"Nobody went to his aid at the very beginning when he first collapsed -- that just perplexed me beyond reason," USC senior Alastair Fairbanks said. "Instead, I saw students texting and updating their Twitter statuses. It was just all a very bizarre evening."
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Stanghazi Tue, Nov 16, 2010 11:59:36pm |
re: #65 RadicalModerate
Yikes. This sounds like it could be potentially bad news.
Bill Nye of 'the Science Guy' fame collapses during speech at USC [Updated]
"Nobody went to his aid at the very beginning when he first collapsed -- that just perplexed me beyond reason," USC senior Alastair Fairbanks said. "Instead, I saw students texting and updating their Twitter statuses. It was just all a very bizarre evening."
Yeah, bizarre. Hope he's ok.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:01:55am |
re: #65 RadicalModerate
Dang. Hope he's okay. When I was living in Seattle, he and his film crew "hijacked" my favorite little barber shop for the taping of one of his shows. I had to wait a whole day to get my haircut. :stomps feet:
/I got over it.
But hey, SCIENCE!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:10:54am |
re: #66 Stanley Sea
I'm surviving!! Worked a 12 hour day, should be exhausted, but nooo, am wired. Tomorrow will be interesting.
Ain't that the way? I can't count how many times I've busted my ass all day, felling exhausted by the end of it, yet can't seem to wind down after it all.
Incidentally, when putting in some sweat, blood and tears, my two least favorite idiotic comments are "Oh, you'll sleep good tonight" and "You're using muscles you didn't even know you had".
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Stanghazi Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:18:00am |
re: #72 Slumbering Behemoth
Ain't that the way? I can't count how many times I've busted my ass all day, felling exhausted by the end of it, yet can't seem to wind down after it all.
Incidentally, when putting in some sweat, blood and tears, my two least favorite idiotic comments are "Oh, you'll sleep good tonight" and "You're using muscles you didn't even know you had".
bah! I've been reading the bs - there's a republican uprising going on about the Lisa Murkowski apparent win. Just for fun I read the comments @ Politico. What a mess these folks are.
It tired me out I hope. Sayonara!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:20:15am |
re: #73 Stanley Sea
Sleep well, SS. May you dream of pleasant things.
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freetoken Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:35:26am |
re: #73 Stanley Sea
You ought to read the Fox News online story about Murkowski's now insurmountable lead, for the comments:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:41:15am |
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freetoken Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:42:02am |
BTW, Esther is now pimping Ed Morrissey's hyperbolic rants via her Facebook page.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:42:26am |
Log off time. May y'all find a way to mow those clouds. Peace.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:43:21am |
re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth
CLOUDBUSTING!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:44:22am |
re: #77 freetoken
this is so cyberpunk [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Just think about it
it's national news that a woman who is the daughter of a politician, ARGUED ON THE INTERNET
I think the world is pretty hilarious right now :D
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freetoken Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:44:44am |
BTW2, on DWTS this week Bristol (via the popular vote) bumped Brandy (who had a perfect score in one of her dances Monday night and had been the leader of the board at times in this show) off the competition in the latest round... so Bristol is in the final.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:45:30am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:47:07am |
re: #81 freetoken
BTW2, on DWTS this week Bristol (via the popular vote) bumped Brandy (who had a perfect score in one of her dances Monday night and had been the leader of the board at times in this show) off the competition in the latest round... so Bristol is in the final.
Why is it dancing with the stars?
Why couldn't be Thunderdome?
Bristol advances to the next round, taking out her opponent, Kelly osbourne, with a pugil stick suspension maneuver that sent the daughter of rock legend Ozzy Osbourne spiraling into the side of the dome
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freetoken Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:47:54am |
re: #80 WindUpBird
Just think about itit's national news that a woman who is the daughter of a politician, ARGUED ON THE INTERNET
And the sister of a finalist on DWTS!!
I mean... let's be real, some things are more important than others.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:52:27am |
re: #84 freetoken
And the sister of a finalist on DWTS!!
I mean... let's be real, some things are more important than others.
IU just marvel about how fast it moves, I literally am thinking back to reading William Gibson novels when I was 13 and wondering what that would be like, and now, terrifyingly, shocking so...now we know :D
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freetoken Wed, Nov 17, 2010 12:57:17am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 1:09:36am |
In about an hour I plan on a 2 mile jaunt. Who's with me?
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freetoken Wed, Nov 17, 2010 1:11:53am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 1:14:28am |
re: #88 freetoken
Did my daily walking already... so I'll just pass and sit here and take in The Peanuts:
[Video]
Try this...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 1:20:25am |
I am going out early today since it is cool out. BBIAB.
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freetoken Wed, Nov 17, 2010 1:55:14am |
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mdey Wed, Nov 17, 2010 1:56:12am |
I've been thinking about this all day. I was listening to this clip from Glenn Beck's radio show today. A young woman called in to the show. She was an Iraq war veteran, I'm guessing early to mid 20s. She was invited by the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America to march in a Veterans Day parade in DC. She told Glenn how great the organization treated her and how great her experience was. Yet, she came home and learned that Moveon.dot org was a sponsor of the parade. Therefore she was shocked. She told Glenn that she was so terrified, because George Soros was taking over our military. I feel so sorry for her. She's been brainwashed by this evil piece of shit Beck. Fuck Him. I wish there was a hell for Beck to go to, but I am an atheist. I wish as much misery on him as humanly possible.
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 17, 2010 2:05:03am |
re: #91 freetoken
As a child in the early sixties I saw many Japanese science fiction movies at the theaters. It was years later that I noticed that the actors were Japanese. I didn't see the difference at the time.
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freetoken Wed, Nov 17, 2010 2:16:52am |
re: #93 EdDantes
Interesting. I don't remember when I first became aware of racial/cultural differences.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 17, 2010 2:31:54am |
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 17, 2010 2:32:55am |
re: #94 freetoken
I was raised in the insular world of the Pacific northwest. The only African Americans I saw were on TV during the civil rights movement. I didn't understand the issues but I recognized that they were "different".
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 17, 2010 2:34:15am |
re: #96 EdDantes
I remember when I became aware that Jews were considered a separate ethnic/racial group, I was just aware that they did not celebrate Christmas and went to a Synagogue instead of a church.
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freetoken Wed, Nov 17, 2010 2:36:07am |
re: #96 EdDantes
I was raised in a small city on the plains... My town had more minorities than the rest of the whole land within a 50 mile radius, but that's not saying much. When I left (to go to college) it was slowly changing, with the incorporation of a few more Asians and noticeably more Mexicans.
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 17, 2010 2:40:24am |
Ralphie and Freetoken I hope we are getting better about accepting everyone.
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 17, 2010 2:49:14am |
re: #95 ralphieboy
By the way, the word "Epic" must be semi-retired along with "awesome", "iconic" and "amazing": Those words used to mean something.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 17, 2010 2:56:49am |
re: #99 EdDantes
I just never gave it any thought.
My mom was a widow who could not afford to join the white flight from Gary, Indiana in the late 60's. I was the only white kid left on the block, and one of only a dozen or so at our grade school. All our neighbors were black or Latinos.
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:06:24am |
re: #101 ralphieboy
That is what I mean. Kid's don't think of those things: why should they? As an 11 year old in a predominantly black neighborhood in Arizona my older brother and I played baseball during the summer with two black kids. It was one of the best summers of my life.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:14:34am |
re: #102 EdDantes
I remember when I went to see "El Nacho Libre"; I found it a rather silly film, but it brought back tears of nostalgia, going with Amos Barrios and Howie Mendoza to see the live Mexican wrestling as a kid.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:16:04am |
re: #104 ralphieboy
Tom Wait's music was heavily inspired by the trips he took to Mexico with his dad as a kid.
Which makes me think of:
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EdDantes Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:31:49am |
re: #105 Obdicut
My mom, a dust bowl Okie, used to ask, " How do you tell a rich Okie rom a poor Okie?"
Answer: A rich Okie has two mattresses on the top of their car.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:39:18am |
How can you tell if an Okie has class?
-He takes the dishes out of sink before he p*sses in it.
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:53:41am |
re: #92 mdey
Yet, she came home and learned that Moveon.dot org was a sponsor of the parade.
Beck's a world class POS that stokes the flames of people's fears and prejudices. Every day, it seems I run into someone who can't wait to share the most recent "fact" they've picked up from watching Fox News, as though they're sharing classified information only known to other Fox News viewers. Presumably, the rest of us are walking in a daze, unaware of the perils posed by the likes of Soros, Obama, Muslims, feminists, and assorted ne'er do wells, so they're eager to enlighten us. However, their fact checking ends at their television's remote control, and they remain content to feed at that fever swamp, with the occasional mad dash to World Net Daily when they can no longer internalize their hate, fear, and loathing of anyone not them.
It is probably more frightening than illuminating, if and when they ever figure out people who aren't them share many of the same passions and concerns, and this includes supporting those who serve in the military with more than lip service like randomly tagging "God bless the troops!" to the ends of statements, like periods.
The best way to counter the Fox News mentality is for groups, particularly the Democrats, and MoveOn.Org, to mobilize and show their support for common causes. In the past, the Democrats have been their own worst enemy, because they choose to remain silent about the causes and ideals that bind people together. Also, they haven't framed their message in crayon, as Fox News has.
Fox panders to the lowest common denominator, and has effected a movement of fearful, raging, idiots that aren't encumbered by critical thinking. As a fellow atheist, I agree I wish there was a special hell for Fox, and people like Beck, because their contempt for facts and love for hysteria have stifled rational thinking, and quite intentionally detached their base from reality.
In related news, I'm stoked for my first meeting with my local chapter's Democrats next month. "Hi, my name is theheat, and I'm a recovering Republican."
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:54:47am |
well, got up this morning to attend a govt interview about my unemployment. it's been nothing but stress and hassle for ages - and this morning their computer system was down.
i am approaching the end of my tether.
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:56:50am |
re: #111 wozzablog
I had a shit day yesterday from dawn to nightfall. I know it doesn't change anything, but just hold it together a little bit longer. It'll get better. Really, it will. Hang tight.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Nov 17, 2010 3:59:28am |
re: #113 theheat
I had a shit day yesterday from dawn to nightfall. I know it doesn't change anything, but just hold it together a little bit longer. It'll get better. Really, it will. Hang tight.
i've been to the bottom of my own mind before and recovered (well, i thought i had) - i've got that sinking feeling again, but i beat it before and will do so again.
There is no alternative.
thanks xx
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:00:31am |
re: #110 theheat
In related news, I'm stoked for my first meeting with my local chapter's Democrats next month. "Hi, my name is theheat, and I'm a recovering Republican."
Do you get to choose the color of your introductory "BLAME BUSH" bumper sticker?
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:00:50am |
re: #110 theheat
Hey, open question:
My father-in-law listens to Beck. I'm looking for a good, solid book about what the Constitution really is, as opposed to Beck's nutty version of it.
Does anyone know any good, accessible, books about the constitution?
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:00:58am |
re: #114 wozzablog
You're one day closer to it getting better, not further away. For every shit day behind you, consider it a victory.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:01:27am |
re: #114 wozzablog
i've been to the bottom of my own mind before and recovered (well, i thought i had) - i've got that sinking feeling again, but i beat it before and will do so again.
There is no alternative.thanks xx
Amazing how resilient we can be.
Hang in there!
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:02:58am |
cheers peeps
i've always been a believer that everyday you wake up when you feel like you can't go on that you just prove to yourself you are a stronger person everyday.
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:03:31am |
re: #116 Obdicut
There are several law libraries online, and I believe several of them are accessible. Mr.Heat is a legal beagle and I know he's always online researching one thing or another. Unfortunately, I don't pay anything attention to the ones he uses - I just know they're out there. You'll also find some interesting case law online.
Bookwise, I bet Amazon has a gazillion. I'll ask Mr. Heat what ones he knows of when he gets home from work.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:04:26am |
re: #116 Obdicut
I think Judge Andrew Napolitano has written several.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:05:16am |
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freetoken Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:06:00am |
re: #110 theheat
In related news, I'm stoked for my first meeting with my local chapter's Democrats next month. "Hi, my name is theheat, and I'm a recovering Republican."
Though I registered (just in time for the election) as a Dem for the first time I pretty much have decided to not bother going to the SD Dem meetings. They need help (less though than the SD GOP which is in severe need of shock therapy!)
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:06:19am |
re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think Judge Andrew Napolitano has written several.
And if not, Mark Levin should have a couple!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:07:09am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:08:03am |
re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Michael Savage?
Hugh Hewitt ((he is a law professor , so perhaps ,,,,))
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:08:43am |
re: #123 freetoken
The gal I spoke with on the phone was like a breath of fresh air. We talked for awhile about the area I live, and she said most of the Dems here are in the closet because we live in such a fundie area. I figure, they need all the support they can get, which is why I've decided to go to their next meeting. The alternative is to let the GOPs do all the shouting, and I'm gd sick of it.
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:10:29am |
re: #129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They're only cute when they're babies.
//
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:11:24am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:12:47am |
re: #131 sattv4u2
Fun Undies??
I have a pair of those!
no ,, wait ,, those were edible ones
I USED to have a pair of those!!
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:13:12am |
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:17:29am |
re: #128 theheat
The person I spoke with yesterday (she's on the school board, as well) also said they've spoken to a couple of the area churches about preaching hate, but didn't elaborate. Apparently, some church kids were getting their hate on at the local high school, and it was enough of an issue they thought it was better to speak directly to the churches. Freaky, huh?
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:20:32am |
re: #134 theheat
The person I spoke with yesterday (she's on the school board, as well) also said they've spoken to a couple of the area churches about preaching hate, but didn't elaborate. Apparently, some church kids were getting their hate on at the local high school, and it was enough of an issue they thought it was better to speak directly to the churches. Freaky, huh?
But.....but......but.......i thought God was love..............
/
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:21:34am |
re: #135 wozzablog
But...but...but...i thought God was love...
/
Hate (blame) the playa, not the game!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:23:22am |
re: #133 theheat
Man of steel... I need a pair of those.
Bow-chick-a-bow-wow.
My wife and I got a gift of "Fundies" at our wedding. One pair of undies... four leg-holes.
Whenever someone says fundies....
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:23:28am |
Pink diamond auctioned for record $46m
[Link: www.boston.com...]
FBV ,, is that what you got the Mrs for Christmas!?!?!
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:24:02am |
re: #135 wozzablog
I'll try to get the skinny on this when I see her at next month's meeting. Like I said, she didn't elaborate. But I do know there are several churches in about a 1.5 mile area around me, and three of them are certifiably nuts. She did say it was two of those, but not which ones. OTOH, there's one up the hill from us, and it's quite old, and seems entirely normal.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:24:40am |
re: #138 sattv4u2
I'm so broke I can't pay attention these days. So, nope.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:25:11am |
re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm so broke I can't pay attention these days. So, nope.
Huh ,, did you say sumfin!?!?!
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:25:21am |
re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Were the fundies cake flavored, per chance? ;-)
Buddha, Man of Steel Undies, for FBV. I'm liking the idea.
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:26:34am |
re: #138 sattv4u2
The rare 24.8-carat jewel was last sold 60 years ago.
Ha! Paying that much for an old, used, diamond. Not even a new diamond.
//
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:28:50am |
re: #134 theheat
The person I spoke with yesterday (she's on the school board, as well) also said they've spoken to a couple of the area churches about preaching hate, but didn't elaborate. Apparently, some church kids were getting their hate on at the local high school, and it was enough of an issue they thought it was better to speak directly to the churches. Freaky, huh?
Hmm, is this government restricting Free Expression of Religion? Sound the Beck alarm!!!
/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:30:03am |
re: #144 theheat
"Waiter - there are snails on her plate. Now get them out of here before she sees them! [to Marie] Look away, just look away, keep your eyes that way! [to the room of people, which is now watching the pair] You would think that in a fancy restaurant at these prices you could keep the snails off the food! There are so many snails there you can't even see the food! [to the waiter] Now take those away and bring us those melted cheese sandwich appetizers you talked me out of!"
-The Jerk
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:32:06am |
re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Although he was ahead of his time: New Wine is all the rage...should be coming out soon, even.
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:33:32am |
re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Navin Johnson lives!
"And get me one of those drinks with the little umbrella!"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:33:40am |
re: #147 ralphieboy
"We will eat no cow before its time."
-Orson Wells
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:33:55am |
re: #145 ralphieboy
Like I said, I don't have the details, but I'm itching to know exactly what was what. And I don't believe this was suppressing freedom of religion, as much as they wanted to get to the bottom of why why these kids felt compelled to rationalize their religious hate on other kids at a public school.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:34:41am |
re: #147 ralphieboy
Although he was ahead of his time: New Wine is all the rage...should be coming out soon, even.
Waiter: Would monsieur care for another bottle of the Chateau Latour?
Steve: Ah yes - but no more 1966. Let's splurge! Bring us some fresh wine! The freshest you've got - this year! No more of this old stuff.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:36:36am |
re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"We will eat no cow before its time."
-Orson Wells
I was impressed when I went to France and saw a corkscrew with a brush attached to it. Their motto obviously being: "If there is no dust on the bottle, there is no point in opening it!"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:37:06am |
re: #145 ralphieboy
The Sunday before the last election, my pastor made the following declaration about voting and who to vote for...
"Vote for the person who most closely shares your values as your conscience allows."
Earth-shattering, huh.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:37:56am |
re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Sunday before the last election, my pastor made the following declaration about voting and who to vote for...
"Vote for the person who most closely shares your values as your conscience allows."
Earth-shattering, huh.
That BASTARD!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:38:15am |
re: #152 ralphieboy
I like the sign I have seen in a few peoples homes and in a restaurant...
"We only serve the finest California wines. What kind did you bring?"
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:38:16am |
re: #150 theheat
Like I said, I don't have the details, but I'm itching to know exactly what was what. And I don't believe this was suppressing freedom of religion, as much as they wanted to get to the bottom of why why these kids felt compelled to rationalize their religious hate on other kids at a public school.
If your religion says you should hate, then the government has no right to pressure you to do otherwise.
/
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:40:48am |
re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Sunday before the last election, my pastor made the following declaration about voting and who to vote for...
"Vote for the person who most closely shares your values as your conscience allows."
Earth-shattering, huh.
Cancel that congregation's tax-exempt status stat!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:41:15am |
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:42:03am |
re: #156 ralphieboy
You know what's funny, is whenever things go terribly wrong, like Columbine, people are quick to point finger that someone should have done something to prevent it from happening; stop bullies from bullying, and all that.
Here, we have a situation at school ugly enough for those lazy school board people to actually see WTF was going on. And they'll be assholes for doing it, because it might be construed as interfering with someone's religious right to hate, intimidate, and possibly harm other people. If religion wasn't a factor, would they be heroes for being pro-active?
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:45:36am |
re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Unfortunately, whether it's klukkers, fellow students, Glenn Beck, or whathaveyou, there's usually a person or group that's more than happy to fan the flames. A lone hater is pretty powerless, just another asshole in the crowd.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 4:54:03am |
re: #160 theheat
If it ain't one thing, it's another.
-Roseanne Roseannadanna
Oh, and for the season? Here's a jewel...
We gather together to ask the Lord's blessing
Please look down upon the Roseannadanna household
Bring peace to our fathers, good health to our mothers
And please don't make me sweat like Dr. Joyce Brothers! ...
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:13:19am |
re: #162 Ericus58
I don't think I better say until I know more.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:13:28am |
re: #162 Ericus58
Probably that boy's school from the "Total Eclipse of the Heart" video. Damn place was creepy.
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Ericus58 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:16:37am |
re: #163 theheat
I don't think I better say until I know more.
Well, you got my interest with your statements about your area being overrun by Fundies. Are you on the Eastside?
Seeing how we are in the same congressional district, I wondered if perhaps you were referring to a school in my area also.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:17:29am |
re: #164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Probably that boy's school from the "Total Eclipse of the Heart" video. Damn place was creepy.
slo-mo dove..............
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:20:05am |
re: #165 Ericus58
South and East, yes. Fundie central. My immediate neighbor is the only Dem I know, and I'm the only non-fundie she knows of. They're hardcore fundie here. I've even seen two trucks with White Power bumper stickers, which blew me away. That's beyond fundie, that's heading to klukker land.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:21:20am |
re: #136 sattv4u2
Hate (blame) the playa, not the game!
Heh.
Jesus was a swell fellah - but some of the people who profess to believe in him are douchebags who don't understand that Jesus was forgiveness and God is love.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:23:45am |
re: #166 wozzablog
"Guess that means he just flipped me the bird..."
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Ericus58 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:30:44am |
re: #167 theheat
South and East, yes. Fundie central. My immediate neighbor is the only Dem I know, and I'm the only non-fundie she knows of. They're hardcore fundie here. I've even seen two trucks with White Power bumper stickers, which blew me away. That's beyond fundie, that's heading to klukker land.
Interesting. Did we have a contingent from Hayden Lake move in?
Well, I'm sure you're not referring to Redmond-Sammamish-Issaquah. Pierce County perhaps, especially east.. Aye, that's some different mindsets there.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:32:58am |
re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Guess that means he just flipped me the bird..."
Staring at the swimteam gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl..........
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:36:00am |
re: #170 Ericus58
At some point in the future we plan to move east of the mountains, where we have a fairly good sizes chunk of property, out in wheat country. I anticipate the freak factor is double there what it is here. I looked at the voting demographics statewide, and it's kind of scary.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:47:03am |
Okay...aside from my gut-level dislike of possible profiling, this sounds like a fairly painless way to get through airport security.
[Link: www.thestar.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:47:06am |
re: #167 theheat
What part of Vermont are you from?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:49:16am |
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Ericus58 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:51:12am |
re: #172 theheat
Really? You find over half of the State that whacked?
A gentle suggestion, from one who has several family members and friends that live in various cities in our state: Don't prejudge your neighbors and possible new friends in those "Red" regions, you just might get to like some of them if you try.
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:51:29am |
re: #177 sattv4u2
And we get out maple syrup from Canada. (And maybe some beer.)
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 17, 2010 5:57:17am |
re: #174 darthstar
The Israeili approach calls for highly motivated, well trained professionals. It costs money.
Our solution is for undertrained, underpaid and undermotivated drones to take over security tasks. We get what we pay for.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:00:32am |
re: #180 ralphieboy
The Israeili approach calls for highly motivated, well trained professionals. It costs money.
Our solution is for undertrained, underpaid and undermotivated drones to take over security tasks. We get what we pay for.
Yep...I can see our TSA agents pulling Raider fans aside because they look suspicious. But ten bucks an hour doesn't exactly draw top talent.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:01:23am |
re: #174 darthstar
Okay...aside from my gut-level dislike of possible profiling, this sounds like a fairly painless way to get through airport security.
[Link: www.thestar.com...]
Yes
"We" are looking for guns/explosives/weapons
The Israelis look for terrorists (and yes, that does mean a degree of profiling,,, but they are also looking at body language,, eye movements,, etc,,)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:08:05am |
re: #174 darthstar
Pardon me for interjecting in ignorance, but isn't "scale" relevant?
Ben Gurion International Airport -- 10.9 million passengers
O'Hare International Airport 63.5 million passengers
Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport 88 million passengers
Added to that it appears that their screeners would need to have degrees in psychology.
Have you met a TSA employee?
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:08:47am |
re: #180 ralphieboy
So, in order to have highly trained and sufficiently compensated airport security, the costs would probably be passed on to the flier, or even more government spending. That would go over like a lead balloon.
For some reason, the unwritten rule is we should be able to have all this high tech shit and services, so long as no one pays for it.
How do the Israelis pay for it?
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darthstar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:10:00am |
PSA time...just saw the following email in my inbox:
from delivery_confirmation
to ns4@rmail1018c-8.api-read.net
date Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:26 AM
subject Dell Ticket-Indicate laptop color and correct street address
unsubscribe Unsubscribe from this sender
URGENT_Dell Delivery_Notification - Pending_Participation
dude...I didn't order a Dell. Obvious malware site redirect in the links. If you see an email like this, don't click the links or you're fucked.
But then again, Fed Ex is sending me a new computer by mistake! My inner greedy child wants to click so bad!
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:10:14am |
re: #100 EdDantes
By the way, the word "Epic" must be semi-retired along with "awesome", "iconic" and "amazing": Those words used to mean something.
Most Excellent! /
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:13:08am |
re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
But of course. How silly of me!
//
Seriously, I'm curious where the money for the Israeli security comes from. Taxes? Airline tickets? Easter bunny? Maybe their volume is so low (compared to ours) it isn't a factor. I really don't know.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:13:30am |
re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And that's only passengers... I've seen 50 people go to the airport to see someone off. I just don't think that it would work here.
Americans (IMO) would not put up with Israeli type screening. Each airport would need a wailing wall.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:14:02am |
re: #188 theheat
Well, the Easter Bunny doesn't have much else to do in Israel.
/
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:15:41am |
re: #167 theheat
South and East, yes. Fundie central. My immediate neighbor is the only Dem I know, and I'm the only non-fundie she knows of. They're hardcore fundie here. I've even seen two trucks with White Power bumper stickers, which blew me away. That's beyond fundie, that's heading to klukker land.
Around Atlanta we like the confederate flag bumper stickers and hats. It helps us see the rednecks coming from a distance.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:16:21am |
re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, the Easter Bunny doesn't have much else to do in Israel.
/
He moonlights as a character on Hamas childrens shows. /
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:16:45am |
re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, the Easter Bunny doesn't have much else to do in Israel.
Exactly! He's a patsy for the Zionist lobby.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:17:17am |
re: #192 DaddyG
Nah... that bunny looks pretty demented...
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:17:26am |
re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And that's only passengers... I've seen 50 people go to the airport to see someone off. I just don't think that it would work here.
Americans (IMO) would not put up with Israeli type screening. Each airport would need a wailing wall.
In some ways their screening is less invasive than ours. Remember, they're looking for behavioral anomalies, not looking into every grandmothers purse. And yes, their volume is smaller but scale wise (population/ travelers/ area) it's on a par with us
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:21:43am |
re: #195 sattv4u2
1.) expensive to train and probably at a higher salary
2.) need a gobs and gobs more than Israel uses right now
3.) who pays for it?
Not arguing, those just seem like the most obvious obstacles.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:22:21am |
re: #195 sattv4u2
I have thought it would be helpful to have a screening outside of the airport perimeter like the Israelis. But, again, scale stops it.
You'd have to limit the number of people that came to the airport to see someone off.
Say goodbye at the house America! Don't go the flipping airport!
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:24:32am |
re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Id' have to be physically dragged to the airport to say goodbye to anyone. It's a nightmare getting there, parking, etc. blah blah. It's a heroic feat for me to even drop someone off there. Hell, I tell them to take the shuttle, that's how much I hate it.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:25:17am |
re: #196 theheat
1.) expensive to train and probably at a higher salary
So?? as stated above,, you get what you pay for ,, (and iirc,, a LOT of the Israeli screening is done by their military,,,, highly trained ,, less expensive than civvies)
2.) need a gobs and gobs more than Israel uses right now
Again,, we have a much larger population ( and military). Proportion
3.) who pays for it?
Same as now,, airline fees and taxesNot arguing, those just seem like the most obvious obstacles.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:27:00am |
re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have thought it would be helpful to have a screening outside of the airport perimeter like the Israelis. But, again, scale stops it.
You'd have to limit the number of people that came to the airport to see someone off.
Say goodbye at the house America! Don't go the flipping airport!
Non passengers aren't allowed beyond a certain point in airports here now, so you would only be adding one layer (at the entrance) and again, that can be done observationally!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:28:22am |
re: #198 theheat
Id' have to be physically dragged to the airport to say goodbye to anyone. It's a nightmare getting there, parking, etc. blah blah. It's a heroic feat for me to even drop someone off there. Hell, I tell them to take the shuttle, that's how much I hate it.
I live in Atlanta, home of the worlds busiest airport and getting in/ out is very easy. I have to go there often (at least once every 5-6 weeks)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:28:24am |
re: #198 theheat
Me too. Newlyweds leaving for honeymoon, soldiers on deployment, Grandma and Grandpa on the cruise, etc... I've seen it a gazillion times. Friends show up to see them off.
Except, strangely, on those 6am flights... no one shows up to see someone off. Notice how nice an airport is at 7am. Still a million folks around, but, no "extra" folks.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:29:47am |
re: #196 theheat
1.) expensive to train and probably at a higher salary
2.) need a gobs and gobs more than Israel uses right now
3.) who pays for it?Not arguing, those just seem like the most obvious obstacles.
Americans will welcome any increase in security with added convenience of shorter wait times - as long as they don't have to pay for it.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:30:00am |
The Israelis built up their expertise over time and with hard experience. After 9/11 we had a sudden sense of urgency and threw quick fixes at the problem. We're still trying to figure it out.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:30:36am |
re: #200 sattv4u2
Oh, of course. I'm talking about the crowds in the lines... I've seen families stand in the fucking line with the passenger. They get their ticket and then twenty people step away.
I don't have to deal with it so much now.
yay.
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:31:16am |
re: #199 sattv4u2
Then the biggest problem is selling the public on the fact their fees will go up (sound of brakes and screeching tires) to compensate for better airline security, along with abandoning the more widely accepted idea that what is required is more and better technology.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:31:27am |
Airports are the one place you can start drinking at 7 AM and no one will judge you. I just wish they had apartments. Morning Honcos!!
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:32:00am |
re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, of course. I'm talking about the crowds in the lines... I've seen families stand in the fucking line with the passenger. They get their ticket and then twenty people step away.
I don't have to deal with it so much now.
yay.
The LDS Church put out a memo a few years back asking immediate family only to accompany missionaries to the airport on the way out and back. Of course with our immediate family that was still 9 people.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:32:56am |
I can only suspect that the Israelis, on top of their better training, are highly motivated (cannot say anything about relative pay/benefits scales)
The Israeli security people know what depends on their doing a good job. We hire people whose main motivation is to get through a shift without incident and without being taken to task for violating rules or procedure.
And yes, we need to employ a form of profiling, namely terroist profiling. Which is a lot more complex and nuanced than simple racial profiling which is a cheap cop-out for the undertrained.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:34:00am |
I don't know about you but I get suspicious when I see Amish boarding airplanes. /
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:34:52am |
re: #210 ralphieboy
Israel depends also on watching ones behavior and reactions to questioning.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:35:25am |
re: #211 DaddyG
I don't know about you but I get suspicious when I see Amish boarding airplanes. /
The horses give them away.
/
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:35:26am |
re: #211 DaddyG
I don't know about you but I get suspicious when I see Amish boarding airplanes. /
Anyone would, what with their buggies and all
I know you're allowed one carry on, but those are WAY too big!
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:35:40am |
re: #212 Cannadian Club Akbar
Israel depends also on watching ones behavior and reactions to questioning.
That would keep them quite busy at the average Amtrack station in the US.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:36:24am |
re: #212 Cannadian Club Akbar
Israel depends also on watching ones behavior and reactions to questioning.
You're late to the class ( see #182)
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darthstar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:36:45am |
re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have thought it would be helpful to have a screening outside of the airport perimeter like the Israelis. But, again, scale stops it.
You'd have to limit the number of people that came to the airport to see someone off.
Say goodbye at the house America! Don't go the flipping airport!
This potential terrorist has a big ass or a very small gun.
Image: Full-Body-Imaging-Scanners.jpg
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:37:31am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:38:07am |
And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
And when I get there, I get to experience the joys of pressure washing!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:39:04am |
re: #219 sattv4u2
And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
And when I get there, I get to experience the joys of pressure washing!
Feet, ass or both?
/
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:39:23am |
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:41:20am |
Wow. I learned something new today.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:41:48am |
Holy crap!! I just found 23 bucks that I hid. Score.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:43:45am |
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darthstar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:43:48am |
re: #224 Cannadian Club Akbar
Holy crap!! I just found 23 bucks that I hid. Score.
About that 23 bucks you owe me...
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:43:57am |
re: #224 Cannadian Club Akbar
Couch? Washing machine? Dirty clothes pile? I want to know where I can find my own $23.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:44:52am |
re: #228 theheat
Couch? Washing machine? Dirty clothes pile? I want to know where I can find my own $23.
The local airport TSA agent can help you there. /
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:44:58am |
re: #228 theheat
Couch? Washing machine? Dirty clothes pile? I want to know where I can find my own $23.
Under my change bowl. Crap, I forgot to see how much change I have.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:45:53am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:46:00am |
re: #231 Cannadian Club Akbar
Under my change bowl. Crap, I forgot to see how much change I have.
I actually don't care. I got 23 bucks.:)
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:46:21am |
re: #231 Cannadian Club Akbar
That blows that idea. I don't have a change bowl. A couch, a washing machine, and dirty clothes - but no change bowl. Crap.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:46:34am |
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:46:50am |
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darthstar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:47:45am |
re: #235 Cannadian Club Akbar
I think you are about to crack.
Them's fightin' words...you want a brown eye?
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Political Atheist Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:47:50am |
As grumpy as I am about TSA & aircrew, we can now see what all the Drudge TSA noise was the setup for. Maybe I should page this...
Drudge was the setup, here we have the shot...
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Washington (CNN) -- The head of the Transportation Security Administration will likely get a pat-down on air-travel security measures as he testifies before Congress on Wednesday morning.
The appearance by John Pistole was scheduled before controversy broke out over the past week about the agency's full body scans and pat-downs. But protest movements about the searches make such questioning likely when Pistole testifies about his agency's security efforts before the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation.
Hero pilot Capt. Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger on Tuesday joined the opposition to heightened airport security procedures, which critics have called invasive.
Sullenberger, who landed a crippled US Airways jet on the Hudson River last year, said the use of full-body pat-downs and advanced imaging scanners for airline personnel "just isn't an efficient use of our resources."
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:48:57am |
re: #237 darthstar
Them's fighting words - now you're assking for it.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:49:26am |
re: #239 theheat
Them's fighting words - now you're assking for it.
Are you trying to start a rump-us?
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:50:27am |
re: #238 Rightwingconspirator
Transportation Security Administration officials are permitted to use "professional discretion" in determining whether individuals should be subject to further screening, according to a TSA statement.
Uh oh. That's almost an oxymoron.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:50:32am |
Does a Darthstar orbit youranus?
//Sorry
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darthstar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:51:14am |
re: #240 DaddyG
Are you trying to start a rump-us?
I'm worried someone will jump in who has rhoid rage.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:51:19am |
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:52:06am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:52:10am |
re: #243 darthstar
Why do feel inspired to sing "Londonderry Air"?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:52:17am |
Dingleberry.
//Not quite sure how work that in.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:52:21am |
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:52:42am |
re: #241 theheat
Clinton was ahead of his time:
Miss, it is my professional opinion that I need to put my hand in your pants for national security reasons.
/
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darthstar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:53:15am |
re: #247 Cannadian Club Akbar
Dingleberry.
//Not quite sure how work that in.
Start by buying the gal a drink with that 23 bucks...
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:53:30am |
re: #247 Cannadian Club Akbar
Dingleberry.
//Not quite sure how work that in.
Just wash your hands afterwards.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:55:04am |
Rectum hell!! It almost killed 'em!!
//Not sure how to work that in.
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:55:58am |
re: #253 Cannadian Club Akbar
Rectum hell!! It almost killed 'em!!
//Not sure how to work that in.
As they said in Think and Grow Rich, opportunity often comes by the back door.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:56:14am |
Holy crap!! I still have smokes! 23 bucs and smokes!! Banner day!!
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Political Atheist Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:56:16am |
I used to travel quite a bit in the US. And my carry on was sometimes quite valuable. Product samples for jewelry making can be like that. After 9/11 and since I can no longer control my bag as required by insurance. Thefts and losses in the process are common. Now we do this differently, or will when the economy gets better and the travel makes sense for profit. Before 9/11 private security was easy to deal with. After 9/11 TSA was always cool with me. I got used to secondary screening all the time. No biggie.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:56:20am |
I knew we'd eventually get to the bottom of this issue.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:56:47am |
re: #257 DaddyG
I knew we'd eventually get to the bottom of this issue.
We're pretty regular that way.
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Political Atheist Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:57:18am |
re: #258 darthstar
Hmm.
I got the ass end of this thread.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:57:18am |
re: #254 theheat
As they said in Think and Grow Rich, opportunity often comes by the back door.
If we invade Turkey from the rear will Greece help??
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:57:51am |
re: #259 Rightwingconspirator
Hmm.
I got the ass end of this thread.
How can you tell - it looks all ass to me.
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 6:58:04am |
re: #260 Cannadian Club Akbar
If we invade Turkey from the rear will Greece help??
Oh, that's just fowl.
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 7:00:52am |
Duty calls. My game face is on, complete with dollar store lip gloss from China. I'm sure there's something toxic in it, but whatever. Later.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 7:01:52am |
re: #263 theheat
Duty calls. My game face is on, complete with dollar store lip gloss from China. I'm sure there's something toxic in it, but whatever. Later.
No leg warmers?
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 17, 2010 7:10:26am |
I just found 16 bucks under my laptop. If I keep searching, I'll never have to work again.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 17, 2010 7:18:20am |
re: #238 Rightwingconspirator
Sullenberger is an expert on flying and dealing with aircraft emergency procedures, but he's not an air safety expert on how to prevent terrorists from bringing weapons on board aircraft. But people will defer to him because he saved the lives of those on board his plane when he safely landed it on the Hudson.
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Nov 17, 2010 7:24:11am |
re: #267 lawhawk
I heard today on Brian Kilmeade's radio shoemakers he said a poll was taken and more than 60% of respondents liked the new scanners and security measures.
My gut tells me this is accurate.
(going to remove the Drudge app from my iPhone tonite...)
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Nov 17, 2010 7:25:51am |
re: #268 Taqyia2Me
Jeez o pete, pimf:
Shoemakers = show where
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jdog29 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 7:39:26am |
good moggin' lizards... :-D
I was arguing with a wingnut who told me he had disproved the theory of evolution.
How, pray-tell, did you do that? I asked
Simple, he replied, Vandy fans still exist.
I bowed my head in shame as I knew he was right///
Go VOLS!!!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 17, 2010 7:43:21am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 17, 2010 7:55:05am |
This tsa hearing is silly and pointless. The aren't really discussing anything important.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 17, 2010 7:58:59am |
re: #272 Killgore Trout
Another dog and pony show, which is typical for these things.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 17, 2010 7:59:48am |
re: #272 Killgore Trout
This tsa hearing is silly and pointless. The aren't really discussing anything important.
With these sorts of hearings, very often the folks conducting the hearings know what points they want to make, they've collected information and discussed with staff and other politicians with the same viewpoint they have, and it's already been decided who will bring up what point and who will ask what questions, and they probably also already have a pretty good idea what the answers will be.
The real discussions go on behind the scenes.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:00:38am |
re: #272 Killgore Trout
This tsa hearing is silly and pointless. The aren't really discussing anything important.
The TSA is a Hugh Hefner front organization.
/
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:11:31am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:14:00am |
re: #275 reine.de.tout
With these sorts of hearings, very often the folks conducting the hearings know what points they want to make, they've collected information and discussed with staff and other politicians with the same viewpoint they have, and it's already been decided who will bring up what point and who will ask what questions, and they probably also already have a pretty good idea what the answers will be.
The real discussions go on behind the scenes.
I haven't been keeping up with this issue as much as some people, since I don't give two shits what they do at the security checkpoints, this is not a problem for me...
But...
Has there been any comments from the TSA on Cair's statements that woman wearing a full body covering remind the TSA agents that they are NOT to be patted down below the neck?
The only thing I can find is a video of Janet N. NOT answering the question.
[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]
Anyone have more info?
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:14:39am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:14:59am |
re: #277 Killgore Trout
Behind delayed summit: Republican distrust of President Obama
Heh.
About time the GOP starts playing smart.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:15:56am |
re: #267 lawhawk
You beat me to the question on what makes Sullenberger an expert on airport security...
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Slap Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:16:30am |
re: #116 Obdicut
How do, Obdi.
While I haven't read an excessive number, the best accessible one I know of is:
This one is a bit drier, but useful:
The Creation of the American Republic
And if there is ANY intellectual curiosity in your recipient, these are pretty essential:
The Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787.... (Madison)
Federalists and Antifederalists
Peripherally useful for context, and great reads::
A Son of Thunder (Patrick Henry bio)
Patriots, by A.L. Langguth
This isn't exactly the kind of subject easily reduced to "primer" status, as we have all seen in observing politics in the last several years....I'm not terribly convinced that overly simplistic "guides" to the Constitution are useful. (I think the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers should be required reading in high schools, but I'm a radical that way....)
I guess that makes me an intellectual elitist..../
Hope these help somewhat.
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iossarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:17:20am |
re: #280 Walter L. Newton
About time the GOP starts playing smart.
Yup, keeping their bigotry behind closed doors is certainly the politically smart thing to do.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:18:09am |
re: #280 Walter L. Newton
About time the GOP starts playing smart.
Well, yeah.
They haven't really articulated anything beyond vague platitudes of cutting spending and such.
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Slap Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:19:28am |
re: #284 Varek Raith
Wait, who said anything about the secret Vague Platitudes Bill???????
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:22:45am |
So far the only wingnut to complain about Fox advocating 9-11 Truth: Crazy Pam Geller.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:23:48am |
re: #286 Killgore Trout
So far the only wingnut to complain about Fox advocating 9-11 Truth: Crazy Pam Geller.
Bizzaro World!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:26:07am |
Economists say food crisis prediction from Beck's inflation expert is "crazy"
Economists tell Media Matters that they've "never heard" of the organization Glenn Beck has cited to fearmonger over a coming "food crisis," and mocked the group's conclusion that massive inflation in food prices is imminent.
Last week, Beck repeatedly used his Fox News show to hype predictions from the "credible people" at the National Inflation Association (NIA) of a coming "food crisis." Beck cited NIA's forecast of huge increases in the cost of food staples, which Beck has said is a result of both the Federal Reserve's efforts at quantitative easing, and George Soros' supposed sinister plot to devalue the dollar for his own personal gain.
Dean Baker, the co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, said he's "never heard" of NIA, but told Media Matters their conclusions are ridiculous on their face: "Inflation is falling, not rising, this is crazy." Josh Bivens of the Economic Policy Institute agreed, saying that he's "definitely never heard of them," but that based on their forecast, "no one would say they're a group you'd look to for serious analysis."
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:30:24am |
re: #287 Varek Raith
Bizzaro World!
It kinda makes sense. The wingnuts are so wound up with anti-government paranoia that they are easy prey for Alex Jones and 9-11 truth. That's why they are suddenly opposed to airport security. It puts the counter Jihad bloggers in a tough spot. They'll probably start to shift from counter jihad writing to more of a nativist/ethnic nationalist type thing if they want to survive on the right.
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Gus Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:30:29am |
re: #286 Killgore Trout
So far the only wingnut to complain about Fox advocating 9-11 Truth: Crazy Pam Geller.
Fox News advocating 911 truthers now and every other conspiracy theory and fake right wing blog news under the sun and Fox News president Roger Ailes is saying “[Obama] a different belief system than most Americans"? I think it's the other way around Fox News has a different belief system than most Americans other than for their cultish viewers.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:30:31am |
re: #288 Killgore Trout
Beck is gunning for Alex Jone's title of Kook King of Kooks.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:33:37am |
Spitzer: You are a ‘heinous terrorist’
Eliot Spitzer confronts Radical Muslim cleric Iman Anjem Choudary: ‘You are a violent and heinous terrorist.’ Watch the interview to find out what made the former prosecutor make that statement.
(transcript and video)
[Link: parkerspitzer.blogs.cnn.com...]
"CHOUDARY: Let me tell you something. Islam is the fastest growing ideology and religion in the whole of the West, including America and in Europe. I believe as Muslim one day the Sharia will be implemented everywhere, including in America. I believe as a Muslim the flag of Islam will fly over the White House. So I will propagate Islam everywhere via the net, via the conferences and demonstrations that we have.
And incidentally, we do not represent a minuscule organization. I represent, inshallah, the Islamic viewpoint. If that can be proven from the divine text, then that is what I should be judged upon, not the number of people who may follow me or may not follow me. The fact is that Islam is spreading everywhere. People in your own backyard are embracing Islam, leaving Christianity and Judaism. So I'm here to propagate Islam intellectually, to break down the intellectual pillars which hold up the..."
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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:35:36am |
re: #286 Killgore Trout
So far the only wingnut to complain about Fox advocating 9-11 Truth: Crazy Pam Geller.
A blind pig finds a broken clock twice a day.
wait a minute...
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:37:05am |
House climate hearings going on now. Some live blogging links here.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:37:54am |
re: #288 Killgore Trout
Economists say food crisis prediction from Beck's inflation expert is "crazy"
I don't know about Beck, I don't know about the "NIA", but I know that food prices are rising and expected to rise even more this coming spring. I'm in the business... this is what I hear... and the WSJ just had an article on this...
Food Sellers Grit Teeth, Raise Prices
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Like I say, I don't know what Beck is up to, but the WSJ collaborates what I am hearing at work.
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cliffster Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:44:50am |
American Principles Project bails on CPAC for queer reason
GOProud chairman Christopher Barron emails "Jim DeMint took a position on gay teachers contrary to the one taken by President Ronald Reagan more than 30 years ago. If the choice is whether to stand with DeMint or Reagan - we will choose the Gipper every time."
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:45:26am |
re: #295 Walter L. Newton
....and that's with diesel at 4 bucks a gallon...
One successful Banking virus or hack could cripple everything from
the gas pump to Wall Street .
Grocery stores would be empty in a day!
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:46:04am |
re: #295 Walter L. Newton
How the heck are ya Walter?
Still have snow on the ground?
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iossarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:47:15am |
re: #295 Walter L. Newton
I don't know about Beck, I don't know about the "NIA", but I know that food prices are rising and expected to rise even more this coming spring. I'm in the business... this is what I hear... and the WSJ just had an article on this...
The WSJ article is talking about possible food price inflation of 2-3%, and how this will hurt Applebee's, if people "trade down" to Burger King or stop eating out as much. Their fear (of falling consumption) is caused by lack of demand as much as the increase in grain prices (which is itself driven, it seems, by increasing consumption in China).
Beck is talking about loaves of bread costing $25.
I would hardly call that corroboration.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:47:52am |
re: #295 Walter L. Newton
All those price increases means that coupon cutting will be more important - and so will be buying store brands (which Consumer Reports found to be largely equivalent in taste to the name brands, but at a superior price).
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:47:59am |
re: #295 Walter L. Newton
Beck is predicting that coffee will be $200 a pound. An ear of corn will cost $20, $45 for a loaf of bread, etc. All by next year. It's nonsense.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:50:22am |
re: #301 Killgore Trout
Beck is predicting that coffee will be $200 a pound. An ear of corn will cost $20, $45 for a loaf of bread, etc. All by next year. It's nonsense.
WHAT ABOUT NON-HYBRID SURVIVAL SEEDS?!?!
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Political Atheist Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:51:08am |
re: #295 Walter L. Newton
I don't know about Beck, I don't know about the "NIA", but I know that food prices are rising and expected to rise even more this coming spring. I'm in the business... this is what I hear... and the WSJ just had an article on this...Food Sellers Grit Teeth, Raise Prices
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Like I say, I don't know what Beck is up to, but the WSJ collaborates what I am hearing at work.
Looks like his customary hysterical exaggerations again. Same Circus, Same old Clown. Geez, what does he forecast for gold? .45ACP? Seeds?
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iossarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:51:30am |
re: #302 Varek Raith
WHAT ABOUT NON-HYBRID SURVIVAL SEEDS?!?!
See, it's connected. IT'S CONNECTED!
*walks from one whiteboard to another, shaking his head wistfully*
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Political Atheist Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:51:35am |
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Tigger2005 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:51:43am |
re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar
I just found 16 bucks under my laptop. If I keep searching, I'll never have to work again.
There is probably enough loose change lying around to pay off the national debt.
Send me yours, I'll start the collection.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:51:44am |
re: #301 Killgore Trout
Beck is predicting that coffee will be $200 a pound. An ear of corn will cost $20, $45 for a loaf of bread, etc. All by next year. It's nonsense.
Well!You can't take it with you!!
The world will end in 2012 anyway!
//
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:52:25am |
re: #299 iossarian
The WSJ article is talking about possible food price inflation of 2-3%, and how this will hurt Applebee's, if people "trade down" to Burger King or stop eating out as much. Their fear (of falling consumption) is caused by lack of demand as much as the increase in grain prices (which is itself driven, it seems, by increasing consumption in China).
Beck is talking about loaves of bread costing $25.
I would hardly call that corroboration.
Go back and read what I said... I said "I don't know about Beck", I wasn't corroborating anything... was I? I was talking about the simple fact that the cost of goods are rising, faster than then have in the past. READ.
Your partisan is showing.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:53:12am |
re: #279 Varek Raith
Lol.
Man the comments on that article are messed up.
why trust a lying, coward muslim?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:54:38am |
re: #301 Killgore Trout
Beck is predicting that coffee will be $200 a pound. An ear of corn will cost $20, $45 for a loaf of bread, etc. All by next year. It's nonsense.
I wasn't referencing Beck. I was referencing rising food cost.
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iossarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:55:18am |
re: #308 Walter L. Newton
Go back and read what I said... I said "I don't know about Beck", I wasn't corroborating anything... was I? I was talking about the simple fact that the cost of goods are rising, faster than then have in the past. READ.
Your partisan is showing.
Yes, there is likely to be some level of inflation in the future, as there has been in the past.
I'm sorry that I misinterpreted your reasoned view of inflation as wild-eyed fear of $25 loaves of bread.
As for partisanship, physician, heal thyself, etc.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 17, 2010 8:58:35am |
re: #298 reloadingisnotahobby
How the heck are ya Walter?
Still have snow on the ground?
Fine. No, we just had a dusting here, twice this week. Yesterday and last night, the mountains west and north of here got dumped on, there were about 5 east-west roads closed around the divide and vail area.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:00:17am |
We had a nasty thunderstorm come through last night.
House across the street was hit by lightning.
Been years since I've "seen" winds that high.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:02:47am |
re: #308 Walter L. Newton
They're not rising faster than in the past. They rose very steeply back in 2008.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:03:35am |
re: #313 Varek Raith
The storms that came through the Middle Atlantic did quite a bit of damage south and West of NYC. Blew around planes at Mercer Cty airport near Trenton and took down quite a few trees.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:03:44am |
New from Alex Jones.....
One of the most disturbing, which is subject to an ongoing lawsuit, involved a 21-year-old college student from Amarillo Texas. The woman was passing through security at Corpus Christi airport on May 29 2008 when she was subjected to “extended search procedures” by the TSA.“As the TSA agent was frisking plaintiff, the agent pulled the plaintiff’s blouse completely down, exposing plaintiffs’ breasts to everyone in the area,” the lawsuit said. “As would be expected, plaintiff was extremely embarrassed and humiliated.”
TSA workers continued to laugh and joke about the incident “for an extended period of time,” leaving the woman distraught and needing to be consoled. After the woman re-entered the boarding area, TSA workers continued to humiliate her over the incident.
Drudge already has it posted under the headline "TSA Hit With Lawsuits As Revolt Explodes..."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:06:43am |
re: #316 Killgore Trout
That's true? If so it is incredibly isolated and horribly wrong.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:13:21am |
Is everyone as happy as I am about Rangel?
I imagine that as corrupt as that son of a bitch is, both sides of the aisle are applauding.
How many people did his committee's rules send to jail or bankruptcy for the same shit he did?
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:14:14am |
re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
LOL
Goose ,meet Gander!!
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:14:24am |
re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I just hope there's a few civil suits against him as well.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:14:24am |
re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Is everyone as happy as I am about Rangel?
I imagine that as corrupt as that son of a bitch is, both sides of the aisle are applauding.
How many people did his committee's rules send to jail or bankruptcy for the same shit he did?
Schadenfreude, I haz it.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:14:42am |
Starting my new "It Gets Dumber" campaign next month, probably. If I get around to it.
Anti-gay group targets gay TSA workers
Amid recent controversy over airport pat-downs, Americans For Truth About Homosexuality is calling for the Transportation Security Administration to institute some "common-sense, healthy 'discrimination'" by banning "self-acknowledged homosexuals" from doing security screenings, "so as to avoid [passengers] being put in sexually compromising situations."
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:15:18am |
re: #317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That's true? If so it is incredibly isolated and horribly wrong.
It's from Alex Jones so it's probably not true. the incident happened 2 years ago before the body scanners and it's probably just someone trying to cash in on the latest hysteria.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:15:24am |
re: #321 Varek Raith
re: #320 Obdicut
re: #319 reloadingisnotahobby
Either reprimand or formal censure carries no immediate, tangible consequence for Rangel, who easily won reelection this month, but the sweeping guilty verdict delivers a damaging blow to his reputation and 40-year political legacy.
I just got sad. Nothing is going to happen to him.
Fuck.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:16:03am |
re: #322 negativ
Starting my new "It Gets Dumber" campaign next month, probably. If I get around to it.
Ha!
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:16:09am |
re: #322 negativ
Starting my new "It Gets Dumber" campaign next month, probably. If I get around to it.
Fine.
As an aside, I demand that only hot ladies can pat me down at a checkpoint.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:16:24am |
re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That's why I hope there's civil suits against him.
If not outright criminal ones.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:16:27am |
re: #323 Killgore Trout
Some lady who's vibrator danced across the conveyor?
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:16:52am |
re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm sure his ego took a hit!!
He's got plenty to spare!
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:18:23am |
Missing military jet 'believed to be crashed,' Pentagon says
Washington (CNN) -- An Alaska-based Air Force F-22 that went missing on a training mission is "believed to be crashed," a Pentagon spokesman said Wednesday.Col. Dave Lapan did not immediately give other details about the situation.
The aircraft lost contact with air traffic control Tuesday evening, officials from Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson at Anchorage, Alaska, said Wednesday.
Gary Strasburg, an Air Force spokesman, told CNN that a pilot was in the single-seat aircraft during a routine training mission.
Contact was lost with the F-22 at 7:40 p.m. Alaska time (11:40 p.m. ET) on Tuesday.
Dammit.
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cliffster Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:20:54am |
re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
re: #320 Obdicut
re: #319 reloadingisnotahobby
Either reprimand or formal censure carries no immediate, tangible consequence for Rangel, who easily won reelection this month, but the sweeping guilty verdict delivers a damaging blow to his reputation and 40-year political legacy.
I just got sad. Nothing is going to happen to him.
Fuck.
Well, maybe it'll give pause to the jackasses that voted him back in. Doubtful, though
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:21:05am |
re: #329 reloadingisnotahobby
Snicker... he couldn't afford the 2mil in attorney's fees for his defense. How much did he cheat... a couple of hundred grand?
tee hee.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:22:19am |
re: #330 Varek Raith
...."a pilot was in the single- seat aircraft during a routine training misson"!
?? Where the hell else would he be??
Hope they find him safe!
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:22:37am |
re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Snicker... he couldn't afford the 2mil in attorney's fees for his defense. How much did he cheat... a couple of hundred grand?
tee hee.
It's like the Martha Stewart nonsense. She illegally traded, what, 50 grand or so?
Then lost millions as her stock crashed?
Crazy people are crazy.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:23:38am |
re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Maybe Freddies Fanny can give him a loan or...
wait!
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cliffster Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:23:57am |
re: #334 Varek Raith
not even that - it was obstruction of the investigation to see if she illegally traded. no illegal trades, just obstruction
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:24:10am |
re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nothing happened to Tom DeLay. Nothing happened to Ted Stevens from Alaska until his plane crashed. Nothing happened to Blagojevich. If nothing happens to Rangel, it's par for the course. He'll probably wind up on Dancing With The Stars.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:24:36am |
re: #336 cliffster
not even that - it was obstruction of the investigation to see if she illegally traded. no illegal trades, just obstruction
Even crazier!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:24:44am |
re: #334 Varek Raith
People thinking they are "above the law" is the rich and powerful's version of the redneck... "Hold my beer. Watch this..."
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:25:13am |
re: #320 Obdicut
I'm curious as to what grounds you think Rangel could be sued in civil court.
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:25:26am |
re: #327 Obdicut
That's why I hope there's civil suits against him.
If not outright criminal ones.
Seems like the IRS might maybe possibly be able to make an OK case against him.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:27:59am |
re: #337 theheat
Tom Delay was thrown out (resigned).
Ted Stevens was unable to mount a re-election campaign and lost.
Blago was thrown out of office.
I would not refer to that as nothing. Rangel out of office would suit me just fine. I'm not hoping for an execution or anything.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:30:23am |
re: #340 lawhawk
Well, his lawyer probably has a case, if he hasn't paid him.
The people he pressured for charitable donations in return for good favor in congress-- I'd imagine they'd have a case.
I don't quite understand how they found no evidence of corruption but did convict him of soliciting the charitable donations from people with business in front of congress. That seems rather corrupt to me.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:31:32am |
Woooo frickin Hoooo
Just got an E-mail from the office of the Gov....
My 15 year service award is in the mail!!
...Well...it's 150 bucks I didn't yesterday!
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Ericus58 Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:40:47am |
re: #337 theheat
Nothing happened to Tom DeLay. Nothing happened to Ted Stevens from Alaska until his plane crashed. Nothing happened to Blagojevich. If nothing happens to Rangel, it's par for the course. He'll probably wind up on Dancing With The Stars.
What was Ted Stevens found guilty of that deserved dying for as punishment? Is that where you went?
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:48:37am |
re: #345 Ericus58
I seriously doubt she meant it like that. It would just be incorrect to say nothing happened to him, since his plane crashed.
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Slap Wed, Nov 17, 2010 9:58:04am |
Obdi, for what it's worth, I did respond to your 116 with my 282 upthread, with my extremely limited recommendations....
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theheat Wed, Nov 17, 2010 10:16:12am |
re: #345 Ericus58
No, simple statement of fact. He got away with a bunch of godawful shit, nothing happened, and he lived his life unfettered until his plane crashed. I didn't say I was opting for the death penalty on any of these people, just their comeuppance.
I dealt with Ted Stevens and one of his cronies personally. A crook and a douchebag.
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