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wee fury Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:33:23pm |
It must be said.
The NFL has turned into a bunch of sissies and whimps.
The big babies.
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qubit2020 Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:33:33pm |
A tropical post Christmas tradition - The Mango strut parade in Miami.
A mixture of politics, current events and general crazyness..
(Short from from Dec. 2008 - Sorry, I don't know my way around embedding video...)
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Kragar Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:34:20pm |
re: #2 wee fury
It must be said.
The NFL has turned into a bunch of sissies and whimps.
The big babies.
What was your first clue?
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qubit2020 Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:34:51pm |
Well, what do you know... Charles made it easy on us dinosaurs!
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:36:30pm |
re: #2 wee fury
It must be said.
The NFL has turned into a bunch of sissies and whimps.
The big babies.
definitely a bunch of lightweights...less than whimps, more like little old ladies in wheelchairs, or even toddlers in diapers
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:40:34pm |
re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What was your first clue?
Many people in general have become wimps. CHrist on a crutch, I'm reading comments and quotes from people and officials on the East coast talking about the 6 to 12 inches of snow and winds they are getting, and they are talking like they never had snow before today.
I lived on the East coast for almost 25 years. I saw snow. I saw 2 feet of snow in Brooklyn, I've seen a 3 to 4 month snowpack on the roads of rural New Jersey.
And 75 miles west of where I live, they had this much snow 4 times over in the last month.
Wimps.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:41:30pm |
re: #8 Walter L. Newton
Clarification...
And 75 miles west of where I live now, they had this much snow 4 times over in the last month.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:43:52pm |
canceling tonights game is not about player whimpyness...it's about attendence....hello?
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Kragar Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:44:49pm |
re: #10 albusteve
canceling tonights game is not about player whimpyness...it's about attendence...hello?
Is that what triggered this? I thought we were talking in general.
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BishopX Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:45:17pm |
re: #8 Walter L. Newton
I blame the blizzard of '78. They miss one little blizzard, a few people die and now snow is a national emergency.
Of course it could have something to do with the fact that it's easy to report on blizzards.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:46:14pm |
re: #9 Walter L. Newton
Clarification...
And 75 miles west of where I live now, they had this much snow 4 times over in the last month.
be patient....soon there will be so little snow in the Rockies that municipalities can sell their plows...to whom, I don't know
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:46:23pm |
The city of Philly is experiencing a weather emergency..This is for the fan's safety to delay tonight.
When is it acting like a pussy to think of the fans safety?
Who here among us can really call the NFL lightweights? Who here knows the violence they afflict for your entertainment? Are you not entertained?
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:47:04pm |
re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Is that what triggered this? I thought we were talking in general.
slyly, I combined three threads into one post
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Kragar Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:47:17pm |
re: #14 HoosierHoops
The city of Philly is experiencing a weather emergency..This is for the fan's safety to delay tonight.
When is it acting like a pussy to think of the fans safety?
Who here among us can really call the NFL lightweights? Who here knows the violence they afflict for your entertainment? Are you not entertained?
I was thinking more of the 40lbs of protective gear to play rugby, but ok
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:48:12pm |
The city of Philly is experiencing a weather emergency. That is the reason for the postponement.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:48:23pm |
re: #13 albusteve
be patient...soon there will be so little snow in the Rockies that municipalities can sell their plows...to whom, I don't know
To the east coast... because evidently they got rid of theirs a few weeks after I left in 1974.
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Amory Blaine Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:50:37pm |
It's, Like, "Almost" A News Show: Fox & Friends Stupidest Moments of 2010
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:51:09pm |
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:53:46pm |
re: #19 Amory Blaine
It's, Like, "Almost" A News Show: Fox & Friends Stupidest Moments of 2010
[Video]
Rofl.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:56:55pm |
re: #19 Amory Blaine
It's, Like, "Almost" A News Show: Fox & Friends Stupidest Moments of 2010
[Video]
The second one is fucking hilarious!
IT'S JUST PART OF THE BOHR MODEL YOU FOXNEWS TWITS!
Lol.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:58:46pm |
re: #18 Walter L. Newton
To the east coast... because evidently they got rid of theirs a few weeks after I left in 1974.
fortunately, we here in the southwest don't have to worry that Evil Snow will consume us....we actually enjoy the stuff
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:59:16pm |
BB later or tomorrow... got a 8-midnight shift at the store tonight, and got to get gas... never know when it may snow.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:05:28pm |
re: #21 qubit2020
Class warfare is over. The rich have won.
I'm afraid so. Income disparity is only going to increase. We'll see how bad it gets before things turn around.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:07:59pm |
For those who've been following this guy....
Giant Robot Project Part 64 TEST DRIVE!
He posted his first test drive video today.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:08:27pm |
A WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 7 AM EST MONDAY.
* PRECIPITATION TYPE: SNOW.
* ACCUMULATIONS: RANGING FROM FOUR TO EIGHT INCHES ACROSS
NORTHERN DELAWARE AND NORTHEAST MARYLAND TO EIGHT TO TWELVE
INCHES ACROSS CENTRAL NEW JERSEY.
* TIMING: NOW OCCURRING...TAPERING OFF LATER TONIGHT. THE
GREATEST INTENSITY WILL BE THROUGH THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF
MONDAY.
* IMPACTS: TRAVEL WILL REMAIN HAZARDOUS DUE TO SIGNIFICANT
ACCUMULATIONS OF SNOW. BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW IS EXPECTED
WITH GREATLY REDUCED VISIBILITIES AT TIMES. TRAVEL IS STRONGLY
DISCOURAGED.
* WINDS: NORTHERLY WINDS OF 20 TO 30 MPH WITH GUSTS TO AROUND 40
MPH EXPECTED.
PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW...
SLEET...AND ICE ARE EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. STRONG WINDS ARE ALSO
POSSIBLE. THIS WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY HAZARDOUS OR IMPOSSIBLE
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:10:38pm |
re: #28 PhillyPretzel
Sorry for the caps. That is how the National Weather service prints its warnings.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:11:23pm |
re: #20 Killgore Trout
I agree with Dave Camp. It's important to have those people who are voting pay income taxes. you don't want income taxes that have no 'bite' for half the population, as it would encourage 'tax the rich' thinking.
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Querent Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:12:41pm |
re: #28 PhillyPretzel
Who was it that used to post the weather reports in garish fonts?
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Querent Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:13:44pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
as it would encourage 'tax the rich' thinking.
tax the rich to feed the poor
until there are no rich, no more
...then who's going to feed the poor?
(bueller?)
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qubit2020 Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:14:21pm |
re: #26 Killgore Trout
I'm afraid so. Income disparity is only going to increase. We'll see how bad it gets before things turn around.
It's not just income disparity. Educational disparity, will surely affect socio/economic mobility as well.
"By international standards, the United States has an unusually low level of intergenerational mobility: our parents’ income is highly predictive of our incomes as adults. Intergenerational mobility in the United States is lower than in France, Germany, Sweden, Canada, Finland, Norway and Denmark. Among high-income countries for which comparable estimates are available, only the United Kingdom had a lower rate of mobility than the United States."
[Link: www.americanprogress.org...]
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wee fury Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:14:51pm |
re: #31 Querent
Ed . . . then long involved couple of extra names.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:15:55pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
I agree with Dave Camp. It's important to have those people who are voting pay income taxes. you don't want income taxes that have no 'bite' for half the population, as it would encourage 'tax the rich' thinking.
a butt ugly situation, mostly created by or enabled by the feds...entitlements that last forever....our govt just refuses to see more than an election or so down the line and shit like this is one result
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qubit2020 Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:17:15pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
I agree with Dave Camp. It's important to have those people who are voting pay income taxes. you don't want income taxes that have no 'bite' for half the population, as it would encourage 'tax the rich' thinking.
And why shouldn't those who reap a disproportionate benefit of living here (and using the infrastructure to make their money..) contribute a bigger share in taxes?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:17:22pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
I agree with Dave Camp. It's important to have those people who are voting pay income taxes. you don't want income taxes that have no 'bite' for half the population, as it would encourage 'tax the rich' thinking.
Are you proposing to tax the unemployed vet who lives in the homeless shelter, or just depriving him of his vote?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:17:41pm |
re: #35 albusteve
a butt ugly situation, mostly created by or enabled by the feds...entitlements that last forever...our govt just refuses to see more than an election or so down the line and shit like this is one result
I know. That's why this move is needed. Make people realize that entitlements have costs to them personally and they will be more likely to demand frugality to the Congress.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:17:52pm |
Evening lizards!
I got possession of the clicker and just tried to put the game on. No game. They canceled the game for snow? WTF?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:18:39pm |
re: #37 Decatur Deb
Are you proposing to tax the unemployed vet who lives in the homeless shelter, or just depriving him of his vote?
*snork*
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:18:59pm |
re: #39 NJDhockeyfan
Check out #28. That comes from the Nat'l Weather Service.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:19:01pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
I agree with Dave Camp. It's important to have those people who are voting pay income taxes. you don't want income taxes that have no 'bite' for half the population, as it would encourage 'tax the rich' thinking.
Then they damn well better increase my pay. Barely get by as it is without having to worry about this bullshit.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:20:09pm |
re: #41 PhillyPretzel
Check out #28. That comes from the Nat'l Weather Service.
The governor isn't pleased...
...
The postponement did not sit well with Gov. Ed Rendell, who told KYW-TV he did "not at all" agree with the decision.
"This is football; football's played in bad weather," Rendell said. "I think the fans would have gotten there, the subways work and the major arteries are still open, and other fans would have stayed home — but you play football regardless of the weather."
The governor, who does football commentaries after Eagles games, also said the decision would be a "serious handicap" for the Eagles and was unfair to the team.
"I, for one, was looking forward to sitting in the stands throughout the snow and seeing an old-time football game," Rendell said.
Asked what Vince Lombardi would say about the decision, Rendell said "he'd be mocking us."
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:20:18pm |
re: #37 Decatur Deb
Are you proposing to tax the unemployed vet who lives in the homeless shelter, or just depriving him of his vote?
I had not proposed taking the vote from anyone.
Also, Veterans are a special case. Those who have honorably served have earned their participation already and would not be effected in any case.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:22:51pm |
re: #43 NJDhockeyfan
Of course fans would come to the game. And if there is a few accidents it is just part of it.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:22:58pm |
re: #37 Decatur Deb
Are you proposing to tax the unemployed vet who lives in the homeless shelter, or just depriving him of his vote?
huh?...wtf did that come from?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:24:01pm |
re: #44 Dark_Falcon
I had not proposed taking the vote from anyone.
Also, Veterans are a special case. Those who have honorably served have earned their participation already and would not be effected in any case.
Untaxables within Untouchables. The notion falls apart on observation.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:24:17pm |
re: #45 PhillyPretzel
Of course fans would come to the game. And if there is a few accidents it is just part of it.
How have teams like Buffalo, Green Bay, & Minnesota survive all these years?
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Interesting Times Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:24:35pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
I agree with Dave Camp. It's important to have those people who are voting pay income taxes. you don't want income taxes that have no 'bite' for half the population, as it would encourage 'tax the rich' thinking.
Er, don't you think people too bloody poor to pay income taxes get "biten" enough by other crap, like rent, food, plus state and local taxes?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:24:54pm |
re: #46 albusteve
huh?...wtf did that come from?
If voters must have money for taxes, and they don't, what is left?
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:24:58pm |
re: #43 NJDhockeyfan
The governor isn't pleased...
poor gov....apparently the is some difference between what he knows and what the NFL knows...once again, no facts to decide
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:26:09pm |
re: #43 NJDhockeyfan
The governor isn't pleased...
They had white out conditions.
Does the Governor wish to take responsibility for the chaos on the roads?
Didn't think so.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:27:47pm |
re: #50 Decatur Deb
If voters must have money for taxes, and they don't, what is left?
that wasn't your question...nobody wants to fuck with the homeless of poor vets...you should be ashamed for even considering that...very divisive....APOLOGIZE THIS INSTANT!
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:27:57pm |
re: #52 Varek Raith
And the winds are still blowing the snow.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:28:40pm |
re: #54 PhillyPretzel
And the winds are still blowing the snow.
Got a dusting here.
What a let down.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:29:04pm |
re: #52 Varek Raith
They had white out conditions.
They did?
The decision to postpone the game came shortly after noon — before there was any snow accumulation in Philadelphia.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:29:12pm |
re: #52 Varek Raith
They had white out conditions.
Does the Governor wish to take responsibility for the chaos on the roads?
Didn't think so.
I trust the NFL more than some pol who probably hedged his bet on the weather
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Interesting Times Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:29:26pm |
re: #50 Decatur Deb
If voters must have money for taxes, and they don't, what is left?
According to some illustrious tea party types, money isn't all you'd need in order to have the fine privilege to vote...
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:30:16pm |
re: #49 publicityStunted
Er, don't you think people too bloody poor to pay income taxes get "biten" enough by other crap, like rent, food, plus state and local taxes?
But these aren't necessarily poor people , given how convoluted the tax code is. They may be above the poverty line. And if they are, they should pay at least some income tax, in the interests of fairness.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:30:28pm |
re: #53 albusteve
that wasn't your question...nobody wants to fuck with the homeless of poor vets...you should be ashamed for even considering that...very divisive...APOLOGIZE THIS INSTANT!
We tied voting to taxes here in the South--the Poll Tax. This proposal just moves collection to the IRS. That's the math of the Camp proposal.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:30:33pm |
re: #56 NJDhockeyfan
They did?
Well, not at the time. They did eventually have white out conditions about the time fans would be arriving. There was a weather channel guy at the stadium and you could barely see the other end of said stadium.
Good call on the NFL's part.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:32:40pm |
re: #61 Varek Raith
It is still snowing and it is coming down almost horizontal and there are some good sized drifts outside.
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qubit2020 Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:33:08pm |
re: #59 Dark_Falcon
But these aren't necessarily poor people , given how convoluted the tax code is. They may be above the poverty line. And if they are, they should pay at least some income tax, in the interests of fairness.
Actually, unless you have some rental properties, a lot of investment income etc. the tax code is pretty simple. You take the standard deduction...
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:33:10pm |
re: #59 Dark_Falcon
But these aren't necessarily poor people , given how convoluted the tax code is. They may be above the poverty line. And if they are, they should pay at least some income tax, in the interests of fairness.
HD flat screens
expensive cars
bling
there are millions of these people living off the govt
but I digress at the risk of the old racism/bigot meme
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:33:15pm |
re: #62 PhillyPretzel
It is still snowing and it is coming down almost horizontal and there are some good sized drifts outside.
What time was the game to be played?
8pm?
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qubit2020 Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:34:20pm |
re: #64 albusteve
HD flat screens
expensive cars
bling
there are millions of these people living off the govt
but I digress at the risk of the old racism/bigot meme
Too late...
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:34:29pm |
re: #61 Varek Raith
Well, not at the time. They did eventually have white out conditions about the time fans would be arriving. There was a weather channel guy at the stadium and you could barely see the other end of said stadium.
Good call on the NFL's part.
Well I don't live in Philly so the decision doesn't really affect me but I wouldn't have postponed it. There have been plenty of games played during heavy snow storms and I don't recall any of them being rescheduled. They have always been played in severe weather. Remember the Ice Bowl?
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:34:40pm |
re: #65 Varek Raith
I think so. I am watching The Sound of Music.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:35:08pm |
re: #64 albusteve
HD flat screens
expensive cars
bling
there are millions of these people living off the govt
but I digress at the risk of the old racism/bigot meme
None of which I have.
Of course, I ain't living of the government either.
But if I had to pay an income tax in addition to everything else? I'd be screwed methinks.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:35:55pm |
re: #62 PhillyPretzel
It is still snowing and it is coming down almost horizontal and there are some good sized drifts outside.
I don't think Philly fans should ever be let out of the house...especially when it snows....remember the Santa affair?, or the assault on the 49er fans?....bunch of goons
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:36:12pm |
re: #59 Dark_Falcon
But these aren't necessarily poor people , given how convoluted the tax code is. They may be above the poverty line. And if they are, they should pay at least some income tax, in the interests of fairness.
Fairness? After extending tax cuts for millionaires I don't think the Republicans actually have the balls to raise taxes on the working poor. These are people who can't afford skyrocketing healthcare costs. It's not fair that people with swimming pools and jet planes shift the tax burden to people who work hard and can barely get by.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:37:00pm |
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:37:49pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Fairness? After extending tax cuts for millionaires I don't think the Republicans actually have the balls to raise taxes on the working poor. These are people who can't afford skyrocketing healthcare costs. It's not fair that people with swimming pools and jet planes shift the tax burden to people who work hard and can barely get by.
I DEMAND TIME TO USE THEIR PRIVATE JETS!
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:37:58pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Fairness? After extending tax cuts for millionaires I don't think the Republicans actually have the balls to raise taxes on the working poor. These are people who can't afford skyrocketing healthcare costs. It's not fair that people with swimming pools and jet planes shift the tax burden to people who work hard and can barely get by.
charge em $25 and it's even
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:38:48pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Fairness? After extending tax cuts for millionaires I don't think the Republicans actually have the balls to raise taxes on the working poor. These are people who can't afford skyrocketing healthcare costs. It's not fair that people with swimming pools and jet planes shift the tax burden to people who work hard and can barely get by.
It's not "shifting the tax burden". Rich people will still pay the overwhelming majority of taxes. This is to ensure that the lower income sections understand that entitlements have costs. This is keep this in balance, not throw them out of balance.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:38:51pm |
re: #74 albusteve
charge em $25 and it's even
Stealing pennies from the poor is still shitty and pointless.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:39:30pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Fairness? After extending tax cuts for millionaires I don't think the Republicans actually have the balls to raise taxes on the working poor. These are people who can't afford skyrocketing healthcare costs. It's not fair that people with swimming pools and jet planes shift the tax burden to people who work hard and can barely get by.
Someone has to make up the revenues lost top the Equine Equity Act.
[Link: www.google.com...]
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:39:57pm |
re: #75 Dark_Falcon
It's not "shifting the tax burden". Rich people will still pay the overwhelming majority of taxes. This is to ensure that the lower income sections understand that entitlements have costs. This is keep this in balance, not throw them out of balance.
I don't think the poor need to be taxed to teach them a lesson.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:41:11pm |
re: #75 Dark_Falcon
It's not "shifting the tax burden". Rich people will still pay the overwhelming majority of taxes. This is to ensure that the lower income sections understand that entitlements have costs. This is keep this in balance, not throw them out of balance.
Ok...
Then CEOs need to live on the shit wages they generally pay their workers and fight so hard against minimum wages.
Fair is fair.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:41:44pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
Stealing pennies from the poor is still shitty and pointless.
but stealing them from the rich is?...I think you are exaggerating the issue and in fact I do not believe that all poor people are that poor...nobody wants to knife hard working poor people that want to get ahead, but what % are they?
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blueraven Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:41:49pm |
re: #59 Dark_Falcon
But these aren't necessarily poor people , given how convoluted the tax code is. They may be above the poverty line. And if they are, they should pay at least some income tax, in the interests of fairness.
How about we worry more about these guys paying taxes...
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qubit2020 Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:42:15pm |
re: #72 albusteve
so you say I'm a racist or a bigot?
Probably. (I'm thinking of that old song - "Welfare Cadillac") and Bling usually connotes black people. Is that what you meant?
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:42:57pm |
re: #82 qubit2020
Probably. (I'm thinking of that old song - "Welfare Cadillac") and Bling usually connotes black people. Is that what you meant?
you are a dope...go fuck yourself with that shit
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:43:07pm |
re: #81 blueraven
How about we worry more about these guys paying taxes...
Man, fuck that!
Once the GOP fixes the rich getting out of paying income taxes, then we'll talk.
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Interesting Times Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:43:44pm |
re: #78 Killgore Trout
I don't think the poor need to be taxed to teach them a lesson.
Increasing income taxes on the wealthy to Clinton-era levels? OMG SOCIALISM MARXISM OUR FREEDUMZ IZ GONE!!!11!!!111!
Squeezing income taxes out of people who can barely afford to get by as it is? Something that must be done "in the interests of fairness" 9_9
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qubit2020 Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:43:52pm |
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:44:30pm |
re: #81 blueraven
How about we worry more about these guys paying taxes...
you'd probably do the same thing...the problem is not with the earners, it's with the tax code, hence the feds....there is no excuse for that, so why isn't the code changed?
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:45:00pm |
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Amory Blaine Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:45:56pm |
re: #87 albusteve
you'd probably do the same thing...the problem is not with the earners, it's with the tax code, hence the feds...there is no excuse for that, so why isn't the code changed?
Why isn't the code changed? You seriously have to ask that?
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qubit2020 Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:45:58pm |
re: #88 albusteve
is that your point?...attack people?
Steve, you can dish it but you can't take it...
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:46:07pm |
re: #87 albusteve
you'd probably do the same thing...the problem is not with the earners, it's with the tax code, hence the feds...there is no excuse for that, so why isn't the code changed?
Because it pleases too many people who own racehorses and congressmen.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:46:16pm |
re: #86 qubit2020
Sounds like I struck a nerve...
Yeah, you did, jackass. Albusteve hasn't got a racist bone in his body.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:48:01pm |
re: #89 Amory Blaine
Why isn't the code changed? You seriously have to ask that?
yes, all Americans should demand more fainess
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Amory Blaine Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:48:16pm |
re: #92 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, you did, jackass. Albusteve hasn't got a racist bone in his body.
No he just likes to stereotype poor people as suv driving flat panel tv having con artists who are stealing his precious tax money via entitlement programs. There are millions of them I recall he said.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:48:27pm |
re: #82 qubit2020
Probably. (I'm thinking of that old song - "Welfare Cadillac") and Bling usually connotes black people. Is that what you meant?
Weaksauce is weak.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:49:17pm |
re: #92 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, you did, jackass. Albusteve hasn't got a racist bone in his body.
not to worry, I discuss this stuff frequently with my black brother in law, who I love dearly
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wee fury Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:51:26pm |
re: #82 qubit2020
I gave you a downding for that comment. You seem to be quite verbose for a newbie.
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:51:35pm |
re: #94 Amory Blaine
No he just likes to stereotype poor people as suv driving flat panel tv having con artists who are stealing his precious tax money via entitlement programs. There are millions of them I recall he said.
do you deny that?...and it's not at all only black people...I'm suggesting that huge faction of citizens trained to live off entitlements be put to work somehow and contribute....and the reverse is true for millionaires that pay nothing
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Amory Blaine Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:52:52pm |
re: #98 albusteve
do you deny that?...and it's not at all only black people...I'm suggesting that huge faction of citizens trained to live off entitlements be put to work somehow and contribute...and the reverse is true for millionaires that pay nothing
Yeah I do deny that. I know all kinds of poor people. None of them subscribe to your stereotype.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:53:29pm |
re: #94 Amory Blaine
He said there are millions of people living off the government. Some of them are not poor, such as those who derive much of their income from government subsidies (I'm looking at you, Archer Daniels Midland) or those who benefit from government favoritism (such as favored contractors in Chicago).
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albusteve Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:55:05pm |
re: #99 Amory Blaine
Yeah I do deny that. I know all kinds of poor people. None of them subscribe to your stereotype.
then you need to get out more
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Amory Blaine Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:56:53pm |
re: #100 Dark_Falcon
He said there are millions of people living off the government. Some of them are not poor, such as those who derive much of their income from government subsidies (I'm looking at you, Archer Daniels Midland) or those who benefit from government favoritism (such as favored contractors in Chicago).
So he articulates that the owners of ADM are driving fancy cars and displaying "bling"as contemptible? Then yes I agree with this point.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:57:41pm |
re: #100 Dark_Falcon
He said there are millions of people living off the government. Some of them are not poor, such as those who derive much of their income from government subsidies (I'm looking at you, Archer Daniels Midland) or those who benefit from government favoritism (such as favored contractors in Chicago).
Yikes...
ADM's receipt of federal agricultural subsidies have come under criticism. According to a 1995 report by the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, "ADM has cost the American economy billions of dollars since 1980 and has indirectly cost Americans tens of billions of dollars in higher prices and higher taxes over that same period. At least 43 percent of ADM's annual profits are from products heavily subsidized or protected by the American government. Moreover, every $1 of profits earned by ADM's corn sweetener operation costs consumers $10, and every $1 of profits earned by its ethanol operation costs taxpayers $30."
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:57:48pm |
re: #101 albusteve
then you need to get out more
The working "un-taxed" poor I build with would love to pay 30K a year in taxes. It is not their fate.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:58:36pm |
re: #102 Amory Blaine
So he articulates that the owners of ADM are driving fancy cars and displaying "bling"as contemptible? Then yes I agree with this point.
He was saying that there are many who live off of the government. No more than that.
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qubit2020 Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:59:05pm |
re: #98 albusteve
do you deny that?...and it's not at all only black people...I'm suggesting that huge faction of citizens trained to live off entitlements be put to work somehow and contribute...and the reverse is true for millionaires that pay nothing
I would agree with most of that. I don't think the answer is taking more money out of the pockets of those who don't have 2 quarters to rub together...How do you place incentives to get people off welfare and to work? Job training/placement (coupled with a time limit to benefits - Like Clinton did) is expensive but I don't see what else would be a long term solution. A crappy economy doesn't make it easier..
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Amory Blaine Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:59:15pm |
re: #105 Dark_Falcon
He was saying that there are many who live off of the government. No more than that.
I know what he was saying.
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compound Idaho Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:03:27pm |
re: #71 Killgore Trout
Fairness? After extending tax cuts for millionaires I don't think the Republicans actually have the balls to raise taxes on the working poor. These are people who can't afford skyrocketing health care costs. It's not fair that people with swimming pools and jet planes shift the tax burden to people who work hard and can barely get by.
We are approaching a point where half of the people pay no federal income tax. Seems too high to me.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:04:41pm |
re: #108 compound Idaho
We are approaching a point where half of the people pay no federal income tax. Seems too high to me.
Well, that's what happens when you keep the lower and middle classes' wages stagnant while the rich get richer.
Wheee!!!!
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:05:40pm |
It would help it we treated working hours as a resource. A hundred years ago the 50-hr week was common. Now the national optimum might be 30 hrs, with overtime and other penalties above the base. (My first adult job, 45 years ago, was a 37.5 hr week in an ILGWU unionized warehouse.)
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:06:28pm |
re: #108 compound Idaho
We are approaching a point where half of the people pay no federal income tax. Seems too high to me.
Agree--lets pay the working poor enough to owe the IRS.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:06:36pm |
re: #110 Decatur Deb
It would help it we treated working hours as a resource. A hundred years ago the 50-hr week was common. Now the national optimum might be 30 hrs, with overtime and other penalties above the base. (My first adult job, 45 years ago, was a 37.5 hr week in an ILGWU unionized warehouse.)
Target is doing its damnedest to keep us at 15 hours a week or less.
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qubit2020 Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:07:04pm |
re: #108 compound Idaho
We are approaching a point where half of the people pay no federal income tax. Seems too high to me.
Maybe it's because wealth has been concentrated in fewer and fewer hands...
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Amory Blaine Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:07:46pm |
This country is in serious trouble and quibbling about taxes the poor could be paying isn't going to change that one iota.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:08:21pm |
re: #112 Varek Raith
Target is doing its damnedest to keep us at 15 hours a week or less.
What gain to them other than avoiding a benefit package? Bet they don't pull that crap in France.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:09:37pm |
re: #109 Varek Raith
Well, that's what happens when you keep the lower and middle classes' wages stagnant while the rich get richer.
Wheee!!!
What can the lower and middle classes do to command a higher wage?
Not much. The fact is that there is little incentive to increase wages when its cheaper to just move the job. give the company a good reason to increase your salary and they might do it.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:10:05pm |
re: #115 Decatur Deb
What gain to them other than avoiding a benefit package? Bet they don't pull that crap in France.
Beats me. It keeps a high turnover rate though. Most leave withing 6 months.
More annoying is requiring us to have absurdly flexible schedules, making finding a second job hard as hell.
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Amory Blaine Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:10:55pm |
re: #117 Varek Raith
Beats me. It keeps a high turnover rate though. Most leave withing 6 months.
More annoying is requiring us to have absurdly flexible schedules, making finding a second job hard as hell.
Can't wait till the government runs on this model. You think government services suck now.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:11:15pm |
re: #117 Varek Raith
Beats me. It keeps a high turnover rate though. Most leave withing 6 months.
More annoying is requiring us to have absurdly flexible schedules, making finding a second job hard as hell.
When the economy improves, they'll change or become an employer of last resort.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:12:31pm |
re: #119 Decatur Deb
When the economy improves, they'll change or become an employer of last resort.
That's true. Target can only keep that up for so long.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:13:48pm |
re: #120 Dark_Falcon
That's true. Target can only keep that up for so long.
They've been doing it since about 2006. Already left them once and now am back because the job market is basically non-existent.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:14:37pm |
re: #121 Varek Raith
They've been doing it since about 2006. Already left them once and now am back because the job market is basically non-existent.
But enough of the depressing stuff.
Let's set some Ewoks ablaze!
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:15:21pm |
re: #121 Varek Raith
They've been doing it since about 2006. Already left them once and now am back because the job market is basically non-existent.
You just put them on my large 1-man boycott list.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:17:14pm |
re: #124 Decatur Deb
You just put them on my large 1-man boycott list.
I call it my "Evil Empire List".
Includes;
COMCAST
Microsoft
Apple
Target
EA
Atari
:P
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:18:01pm |
re: #122 Varek Raith
But enough of the depressing stuff.
Let's set some Ewoks ablaze!
Yes, lets. Kill the Ewoks, kill them with fire!
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Interesting Times Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:18:10pm |
re: #119 Decatur Deb
When the economy improves, they'll change or become an employer of last resort.
Once upon a time, I would have agreed with that, but now, I honestly believe we're all trapped in a race to the bottom - the powers that be are trying to make it so that lousy, shabby treatment of workers is the norm rather than the exception.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:18:13pm |
re: #124 Decatur Deb
You just put them on my large 1-man boycott list.
To be slightly fair, some stores are better than others. The ones in Northern Virgina are horrid.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:19:20pm |
re: #128 Varek Raith
To be slightly fair, some stores are better than others. The ones in Northern Virgina are horrid.
I would have checked. You don't think I'd act on the word of a Sith?
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:20:32pm |
re: #129 Decatur Deb
I would have checked. You don't think I'd act on the word of a Sith?
That would hurt.
If I had any emotions other than anger...
So...
*ZZZAAAPPPP*
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compound Idaho Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:20:33pm |
re: #113 qubit2020
Maybe it's because wealth has been concentrated in fewer and fewer hands...
I do not see half of America as poor.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:20:57pm |
re: #127 publicityStunted
Once upon a time, I would have agreed with that, but now, I honestly believe we're all trapped in a race to the bottom - the powers that be are trying to make it so that lousy, shabby treatment of workers is the norm rather than the exception.
Then the unions will revive, more internationally this time. Here, kitty, kitty. Where's my Sabocat?
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qubit2020 Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:24:37pm |
re: #131 compound Idaho
I do not see half of America as poor.
I didn't say poor. I said wealth is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.
"wealth is concentrated in the hands of a small number of families. The wealthiest 1 percent of families owns roughly 34.3% of the nation's net worth, the top 10% of families owns over 71%, and the bottom 40% of the population owns way less than 1%."
[Link: www.faculty.fairfield.edu...]
This is not good for America.
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qubit2020 Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:26:12pm |
Good 'Nite, all.
Steve, if I was unfair to you, I apologize.
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compound Idaho Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:34:06pm |
re: #133 qubit2020
I was discussing the fact that half of Americans pay no federal income tax.
I see those wealth concentration numbers frequently. I find them hard to believe, but the fact that some people are wealthy, very wealthy, in no way prevents me from buying a home, a car or two, saving for retirement, and helping my children pay for their college education. The fact that someone else is rich, does not make anyone else poor, just less rich by comparison.
PS I know there are truly poor people, what a country where even our poorest people are fat.
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BishopX Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:46:11pm |
re: #135 compound Idaho
I think those numbers are easier to believe if you live in a metro area. In Boston pretty much anything under 45,000/household is "poor", and yes concentrated amounts of rich people do make it harder for the rest of us to get by, they drive the real estate market up so high that property taxes (which are based on a percentage of home value) force people out of their homes, and because they offer a much more lucrative market for retailers you suddenly have fewer options if you're on a budget.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:29:38pm |
Late with this, the 24th Amendment
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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Fozzie Bear Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:42:36am |
re: #116 Dark_Falcon
What can the lower and middle classes do to command a higher wage?
Not much. The fact is that there is little incentive to increase wages when its cheaper to just move the job. give the company a good reason to increase your salary and they might do it.
Unions. That's what they can do.
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