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Mayonnaise, n.: One of the sauces that serve the French in place of a state religion.
— Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:10:19pm |
Enjoy my comments! Gotta go work some more: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, May 3, 2011 11:13:41pm |
Europeans put the stuff on their French fries as well.
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Kragar Tue, May 3, 2011 11:15:43pm |
Revenge is a dish best served with mayonnaise and those little cheesy things on sticks. - Osric the Loopy, planetary governor of Corania, appointed 756.M41, removed from office by the Officio Assassinorum 764.M41
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, May 3, 2011 11:15:51pm |
re: #3 ralphieboy
Europeans put the stuff on their French fries as well.
That’s disgusting. Btw, I still think the British fanned out from their little island and conquered a large part of the world simply because they were looking for something decent to eat.
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windsagio Tue, May 3, 2011 11:16:39pm |
re: #5 Shiplord Kirel
Mayo makes me deeply ill. Its just utterly disgusting >
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Targetpractice Tue, May 3, 2011 11:17:28pm |
re: #3 ralphieboy
Europeans put the stuff on their French fries as well.
So do my folks. *shudders* Then again, my mother loves pineapple on pizza as well. Apparently, good taste in food is not something determined by genetics.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, May 3, 2011 11:18:50pm |
My son is American was born and is being raised in Europe, he asked for mayonnaise on his noodles at dinner yesterday…
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windsagio Tue, May 3, 2011 11:19:13pm |
also lol@sfz going through that long thread from earlier. Unless she cheated, she’s in for a surprise at the end >>
Also Also, Pretty Hate Machine is the best NIN album.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:22:15pm |
Anyone else notice Drudge uses the Pakistani slur in one of his links? Right under the headline. What a fuckpig! Guess we shouldn’t be surprised
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:24:21pm |
re: #9 windsagio
also lol@sfz going through that long thread from earlier. Unless she cheated, she’s in for a surprise at the end >>
Also Also, Pretty Hate Machine is the best NIN album.
IT SO…
well it is, but I feel closer to Downward Spiral, its all in what you’re after, glossy pop hooks or angry moody catharsis
PHM is the great accessible pop record, DS is the less-accessible tormented magnum opus. Both are critical.
The Fragile just doesn’t work for me. :P
And Broken! Broken is just FUCKING AWESOME
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TedStriker Tue, May 3, 2011 11:25:02pm |
re: #11 WindUpBird
Anyone else notice Drudge uses the Pakistani slur in one of his links? Right under the headline. What a fuckpig! Guess we shouldn’t be surprised
So brookly is really Matt Drudge? Whudathunk…
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Targetpractice Tue, May 3, 2011 11:25:23pm |
re: #11 WindUpBird
Anyone else notice Drudge uses the Pakistani slur in one of his links? Right under the headline. What a fuckpig! Guess we shouldn’t be surprised
That’s alright, Drudge spent most of the day with the same headline that “White House Releases Bin Laden Death Photos,” then changing it to “White House To Release Bin Laden Death Photos,” and now just a line at the top about how Panetta is debating releasing said photos.
You can be sure, however, that the release will be met with sneers of derision by the ODS crowd, just as a decision not to release will.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:28:11pm |
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windsagio Tue, May 3, 2011 11:28:31pm |
re: #12 WindUpBird
Broken is great too because nobody who wasn’t there at the time knows what the crap it is. Downward spiral on the other hand is actually too angry for me :P
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:28:44pm |
re: #14 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That’s alright, Drudge spent most of the day with the same headline that “White House Releases Bin Laden Death Photos,” then changing it to “White House To Release Bin Laden Death Photos,” and now just a line at the top about how Panetta is debating releasing said photos.
You can be sure, however, that the release will be met with sneers of derision by the ODS crowd, just as a decision not to release will.
I’m just waiting for the day where Drudge starts openly inciting violence
it’s like the internet is reaching this vicious fever pitch, I dunno
2012!!!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:29:09pm |
re: #16 windsagio
Broken is great too because nobody who wasn’t there at the time knows what the crap it is. Downward spiral on the other hand is actually too angry for me :P
haha it’s too angry for me!
I like stoner angry, not Trent Reznor angry :D
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 3, 2011 11:29:58pm |
re: #5 Shiplord Kirel
That’s disgusting. Btw, I still think the British fanned out from their little island and conquered a large part of the world simply because they were looking for something decent to eat.
Entirely possible. “Chicken korma, someone out there has a fuckin’ chicken korma, and we’re goin’ to find them, and cut their throats, and EAT it.”
Discovering India was like an ant finding a really large food source. They went berserk.
I myself am descended from what I believe may be the two most uninspired cuisines known to man, Irish and Ashkenazi. Both have relied heavily on potatoes since the eighteenth century.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 3, 2011 11:30:46pm |
re: #8 ralphieboy
My son is American was born and is being raised in Europe, he asked for mayonnaise on his noodles at dinner yesterday…
An Israeli blogger I sometimes read, raised in the United States, made pancakes sometime back, for her sabra kids. They ate the pancakes, but avoided the syrup, preferring to douse their pancakes in hummus.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:31:00pm |
re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist
An Israeli blogger I sometimes read, raised in the United States, made pancakes sometime back, for her sabra kids. They ate the pancakes, but avoided the syrup, preferring to douse their pancakes in hummus.
I’d eat that!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:31:14pm |
re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist
hummus plus sweet, that sounds pretty awesome
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, May 3, 2011 11:34:17pm |
re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist
My kids like Nutella (chocolate-hazelnut spread) on their pancakes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 3, 2011 11:34:25pm |
The San Francisco Zoo is getting a new Siberian tiger.
(Their last Siberian tiger was shot by SFPD, under really terrible circumstances, and they said they weren’t planning to get a new one, but it’s been a few years, and apparently they’re ready for another.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:35:16pm |
re: #23 ralphieboy
My kids like Nutella (chocolate-hazelnut spread) on their pancakes.
THAT STUFF RULES
Got into it in England, then it became a thing in college
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, May 3, 2011 11:35:37pm |
re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist
The San Francisco Zoo is getting a new Siberian tiger.
(Their last Siberian tiger was shot by SFPD, under really terrible circumstances, and they said they weren’t planning to get a new one, but it’s been a few years, and apparently they’re ready for another.)
Like some women and their boyfriends: one gets shot by the police, they swear they will never get another, but in a few years, they are looking for one again…
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Targetpractice Tue, May 3, 2011 11:36:05pm |
re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist
Entirely possible. “Chicken korma, someone out there has a fuckin’ chicken korma, and we’re goin’ to find them, and cut their throats, and EAT it.”
Discovering India was like an ant finding a really large food source. They went berserk.
I myself am descended from what I believe may be the two most uninspired cuisines known to man, Irish and Ashkenazi. Both have relied heavily on potatoes since the eighteenth century.
Heh, I grew up on meat and potatoes. Mash’em, fry’em, bake’em, broil’em, put’em in a stew, yum yum.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:36:07pm |
re: #26 ralphieboy
Like some women and their boyfriends: one gets shot by the police, they swear they will never get another, but in a few years, they are looking for one again…
hahahahaha Jesus!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:36:39pm |
re: #26 ralphieboy
ahahaha
“What Happened to Chet?”
“Oh, you know…he got…we just had to have him put to sleep.”
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Targetpractice Tue, May 3, 2011 11:37:35pm |
re: #23 ralphieboy
My kids like Nutella (chocolate-hazelnut spread) on their pancakes.
Mmm, good stuff. Used to eat it in Sicily, growing up as a Navy brat, then didn’t see it for years. Chanced upon it at the store one day, having forgotten how good it was, and got hooked all over again.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:37:42pm |
re: #27 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Heh, I grew up on meat and potatoes. Mash’em, fry’em, bake’em, broil’em, put’em in a stew, yum yum.
I did too, my mother is a homemaker form Kansas
But I craved weird adventure. :D And traveled europe eating crazy shit, my parents both think I’m psychotic for liking sushi
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 3, 2011 11:38:15pm |
re: #26 ralphieboy
Like some women and their boyfriends: one gets shot by the police, they swear they will never get another, but in a few years, they are looking for one again…
Grrrroooooan.
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Targetpractice Tue, May 3, 2011 11:38:30pm |
re: #31 WindUpBird
I did too, my mother is a homemaker form Kansas
But I craved weird adventure. :D And traveled europe eating crazy shit, my parents both think I’m psychotic for liking sushi
Yeah, I draw the line at fish, especially sushi. I refuse to eat anything that is merely unconscious, to quote the great George Carlin.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 3, 2011 11:39:25pm |
Kashrut limits me in the sushi department, but I love it.
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Kragar Tue, May 3, 2011 11:49:55pm |
re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist
The San Francisco Zoo is getting a new Siberian tiger.
(Their last Siberian tiger was shot by SFPD, under really terrible circumstances, and they said they weren’t planning to get a new one, but it’s been a few years, and apparently they’re ready for another.)
Was that when the dumbasses jumped into the enclosure and got mauled?
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, May 3, 2011 11:50:48pm |
re: #30 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I keep it in the house for my kids, but I keep away from it myself as I have no resistance. I have been known to wake up with a coated, tongue, a sugar hangover and an empty jar with a spoon sticking out of it at my bedside.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 3, 2011 11:52:48pm |
re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Was that when the dumbasses jumped into the enclosure and got mauled?
They were harassing the tiger, who managed to get out of her enclosure and go after them, but yeah, that case. The cops who responded were badly shaken up. This is NOT a call you get trained for.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:56:00pm |
re: #33 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, I draw the line at fish, especially sushi. I refuse to eat anything that is merely unconscious, to quote the great George Carlin.
Dude, I’m from SEATTLE
Fish is like my primary protein ^_^ I ask for smoked salmon for Christmas, my parents literally MAIL ME FISH
it’s a region thing, I’ve been eating fish since I can remember eating anything
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, May 3, 2011 11:57:12pm |
re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist
They were harassing the tiger, who managed to get out of her enclosure and go after them, but yeah, that case. The cops who responded were badly shaken up. This is NOT a call you get trained for.
I don’t know what the hell it is about the San Francisco Zoo. We’ve also had a guy jump into the rhino enclosure—the rhino, thank God, ignored him—and also a very weird situation with a mentally disturbed guy who snuck into the grizzlies’ area. Had a 500-pound bear sniff his shoes.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, May 3, 2011 11:57:14pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:57:35pm |
re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist
hahaha well someone’s gotta do it
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Kragar Tue, May 3, 2011 11:58:32pm |
re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist
They were harassing the tiger, who managed to get out of her enclosure and go after them, but yeah, that case. The cops who responded were badly shaken up. This is NOT a call you get trained for.
A thousand pound killing machine with razor sharp teeth and claws should be natures way of saying don’t fuck with me. Pity the tiger had to pay for those assholes mistake.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:59:02pm |
re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
well, yes, but brains fail just like car engines :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, May 3, 2011 11:59:51pm |
re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Work in health acre with the mentally disturbed, you get a unique insight into just how fragile the conscious mind is
Whoops, he cheeked his anti-psychotic meds! Now he thinks traffic is AWESOME TO PLAY IN
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 12:00:13am |
re: #44 WindUpBird
well, yes, but brains fail just like car engines :D
Especially when they are not firing on all cylinders…
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 12:00:30am |
re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You really haven’t lived until you’ve chased an autidtic guy across an intersection against a light
Gets the blood flowing
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Targetpractice Wed, May 4, 2011 12:01:14am |
re: #38 WindUpBird
Dude, I’m from SEATTLE
Fish is like my primary protein ^_^ I ask for smoked salmon for Christmas, my parents literally MAIL ME FISH
it’s a region thing, I’ve been eating fish since I can remember eating anything
Yeah, my old man’s from Tacoma, so he grew up on fish as well. But between my mother (and, as a result, my sister and I) absolutely refusing to eat it beyond the breaded variety, and developing an iodine allergy later in life, he rarely eats it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 12:01:33am |
re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
A thousand pound killing machine with razor sharp teeth and claws should be natures way of saying don’t fuck with me. Pity the tiger had to pay for those assholes mistake.
I was sad about the tiger. The cops were too. Her name was Tatiana. Gorgeous animal.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 12:01:44am |
re: #47 ralphieboy
Especially when they are not firing on all cylinders…
Smart people are more dangerous off their meds, actually O_O
I worked with people who were dual diagnosis, mentally ill and mentally handicapped
Not with the normally abled mentally ill population, I don’t have the guts
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 12:02:05am |
re: #49 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, my old man’s from Tacoma, so he grew up on fish as well. But between my mother (and, as a result, my sister and I) absolutely refusing to eat it beyond the breaded variety, and developing an iodine allergy later in life, he rarely eats it.
ah aroma of tacoma
They have a HELL of an art supply store downtown
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windsagio Wed, May 4, 2011 12:02:10am |
re: #48 WindUpBird
Or been pinned to the ground for 4 hours by a guy trying to choke you out. (He was the guy that rumors said, the institution had tried to sew his eyes shut).
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 12:03:32am |
re: #48 WindUpBird
You really haven’t lived until you’ve chased an autidtic guy across an intersection against a light
Gets the blood flowing
I took an into to special ed course once—just enough for the general ed teacher to know kind of thing.
The prof shared with us the worst IEP goal she had ever seen: “Student will successfully cross the street safely and without assistance nine out of ten times.”
People are used to putting in wiggle room in these goals, but sometimes you CANNOT have wiggle room.
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Irenicum Wed, May 4, 2011 12:10:53am |
Religions are a lot like recipes, the best ones survive by tweaking…
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 12:11:35am |
re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist
I took an into to special ed course once—just enough for the general ed teacher to know kind of thing.
The prof shared with us the worst IEP goal she had ever seen: “Student will successfully cross the street safely and without assistance nine out of ten times.”
People are used to putting in wiggle room in these goals, but sometimes you CANNOT have wiggle room.
Oh I am familiar with such bizarreness, i almost got fired for arguing with my trainers about the bizarreness
Imagine working with bosses and management who write that stuff *_*
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 12:12:07am |
re: #55 Irenicum
humanity evolves, grows, gets closer together, realizes shit needs to change
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Irenicum Wed, May 4, 2011 12:12:47am |
I know this will get me in trouble… with those I’m closest to…
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windsagio Wed, May 4, 2011 12:15:10am |
re: #56 WindUpBird
You were there the last time we interatced with hte plan bastard.
He totally thought I was gonna jump him!
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Irenicum Wed, May 4, 2011 12:16:51am |
re: #57 WindUpBird
Exactly. We all see through a glass darkly…
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Irenicum Wed, May 4, 2011 12:25:03am |
re: #58 Irenicum
Thank you dear, SFZ. I always appreciate your wise words. The important thing is that we should be free to speak freely. We see more clearly b/c of that.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, May 4, 2011 12:43:46am |
Curious quote.
Tonight after food service, we had to take a hands-on test while still in lab: we had to make stable mayonnaise within 5 minutes using 1 egg yolk, scant amounts of salt, sugar, white pepper and mustard, and 2 cups of oil.
Got a 7 out of 10. Passed. :)
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 12:58:42am |
re: #62 eclectic infidel
Do you want fries with that?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 1:11:42am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 1:29:59am |
Tomorrow I am going to go toss a jar of Hellman’s into the river.
Celebrating Sink-o de Mayo.
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MagnaniomousCoward Wed, May 4, 2011 1:36:58am |
Good news: The friviolous libel lawsuit by former Hungarian police officer Sandor Kepiro against a Simon Wiesenthal Center official has been dismissed. Kepiro goes on trial for war crimes on Thursday.
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ProBosniaLiberal Wed, May 4, 2011 3:02:53am |
Don’t know if anyone had seen this before, but I think it is funny.
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Obdicut Wed, May 4, 2011 3:20:59am |
For anyone who likes westerns, this is a kimchee western. And it’s awesome.
[Link: www.rottentomatoes.com…]
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laZardo Wed, May 4, 2011 3:24:06am |
I thought mayonnaise was for white people.
/undercover brother reference
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 4, 2011 3:33:55am |
Mayonnaise? American Southern term.
Example, “Mayonnaise a lot of people who glad Osama is dead.”
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 3:42:31am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 4, 2011 3:52:24am |
re: #75 Varek Raith
Sitting here with my daughter’s laptop and was pulling up some pictures she had saved to her hard drive. That one was awesome!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 4, 2011 4:00:34am |
Good form on both Presidents Obama and Bush regarding visiting “Ground Zero”.
I wish Bush would come out and ask folks to be a little classier. He is taking this “out of spotlight” thing pretty damn seriously.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 4:09:34am |
My kids all grew up putting mayonnaise on their gefilte fish. Except for two sons, who preferred Miracle Whip.
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ProBosniaLiberal Wed, May 4, 2011 4:12:14am |
Off topic, but Tripoli (Libya) looks like a massive powder keg. This may be nearing an end.
11.13am: There have been a number of reports in the last few weeks suggesting signs of dissent and even rebel cells in the Libyan capital Tripoli.
Now Reuters reports more indications that “tension is simmering beneath the surface”.
One resident told the agency:“Things are tense. They are not normal. I think something will explode soon. There are rumblings at night. You hear gunfire and it is not always celebratory. In some neighbourhoods, people wake up and find the rebel flag. It is just a sign, just to say ‘we are here’.”
Speaking about Gaddafi a shopkeeper said:This man needs to go. After 41 years, he still wants to hand Libya over to his son. Is there no one else in this country?. Look what he is doing in Misrata, attacking the people. He wiped out Zawiyah and for what? So he can hand it to his son?.
A driver said:No one is with him except the few people who are benefiting. In Tripoli, if you say anything you are disappeared and no one knows what happened to you.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, May 4, 2011 4:37:28am |
re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist
. Both have relied heavily on potatoes since the eighteenth century.
You make it sound like that’s a bad thing…
//sorta ;D
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laZardo Wed, May 4, 2011 4:39:34am |
re: #77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Good form on both Presidents Obama and Bush regarding visiting “Ground Zero”.
I wish Bush would come out and ask folks to be a little classier. He is taking this “out of spotlight” thing pretty damn seriously.
The end of Bin Laden isn’t the end of the Twoofers either. q;
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 4:48:20am |
I’m going back to bed.
Have a great morning all!
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Achilles Tang Wed, May 4, 2011 5:04:53am |
Morning; just a word of caution before I head out in a while.
If you are in France, don’t call it Mayo.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 5:11:39am |
Reading the previous thread, is it really that hard to not to use a racial slur?
2 people getting banned over it.
Man, what’s wrong with people?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, May 4, 2011 5:14:39am |
A patriot’s guide to still hating Obama for killing Osama
Osama bin Laden, the founder of al-Qaida and the mastermind of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, was recently killed by American commandos, which is, for Real American Patriots, a Good Thing. But Barack Obama is getting all the credit, which is, for said residents of the authentic portion of this glorious nation, decidedly a Bad Thing. How is a typically bloodthirsty right-winger supposed to revel in America’s victory over an enemy while still detesting the socialist usurper in the White House who made this victory possible? It’s easier than you might think. All you need — as with most right-wing thought — is a bit of cognitive dissonance. Here are your talking points:
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 5:14:42am |
All the delicate, sensitive souls are moaning and wringing their hands that people are happy Osama is dead. “When your enemy falls, do not rejoice!” they quote at you like church ladies, neglecting to read the other verse which says “When the wicked perish, there is gladness!”
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 5:15:38am |
re: #87 Varek Raith
Reading the previous thread, is it really that hard to not to use a racial slur?
2 people getting banned over it.
Man, what’s wrong with people?
2 people? I thought it was just brookly?
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Obdicut Wed, May 4, 2011 5:15:49am |
re: #87 Varek Raith
It’s really weird. If someone tells you a particular phrase is offensive because it’s used by racists, then you just stop using it. It’s kinda simple.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 5:16:37am |
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 5:19:02am |
re: #92 Varek Raith
SteveMCG, iirc
I didn’t pay enough attention to the whole thread, I guess.
The weird thing is, the subject has come up before, and involving that particular slur. It’s not like anyone involved didn’t already know that that word is disgusting.
Brookly was absolutely full of shit in claiming that it’s acceptable in nyc, by the way. Hell no.
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 4, 2011 5:19:23am |
re: #38 WindUpBird
Dude, I’m from SEATTLE
Fish is like my primary protein ^_^ I ask for smoked salmon for Christmas, my parents literally MAIL ME FISH
it’s a region thing, I’ve been eating fish since I can remember eating anything
When we were working on Katrina in Bayou Le Batre, one of the donations we unloaded was a truckload of 80 cases of salmon from a lady on the Washington coast. It was a beautiful gift, and needed, but a little funny to send fish to the seafood capitol of the Gulf.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 5:21:22am |
AC was on yesterday.
Heater is on this morning.
Sigh.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 5:22:40am |
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Obdicut Wed, May 4, 2011 5:23:13am |
re: #93 iceweasel
I didn’t pay enough attention to the whole thread, I guess.
The weird thing is, the subject has come up before, and involving that particular slur. It’s not like anyone involved didn’t already know that that word is disgusting.
Brookly was absolutely full of shit in claiming that it’s acceptable in nyc, by the way. Hell no.
Yeah, of course it isn’t. Amazingly, New York— and Brooklyn— bear faint resemblance to Brookly’s portrayal of them.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 5:23:36am |
re: #96 Alouette
Sounds like Michigan.
Seems we go from summer to winter.
Spring and fall are optional.
:)
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 5:24:56am |
re: #97 Obdicut
Yeah, of course it isn’t. Amazingly, New York— and Brooklyn— bear faint resemblance to Brookly’s portrayal of them.
I always wondered what part of brooklyn he was from and if he ever spent time outside of it. He claimed gay bashing in the village was done by the people who live in the west village and greenwich village— yeah right!
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Obdicut Wed, May 4, 2011 5:25:00am |
re: #98 Varek Raith
Seems we go from summer to winter.
Spring and fall are optional.
:)
I miss San Francisco weather a lot.
My wife really hates New York right now. Med school is not the best way to ensure enjoyment of a new city.
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 5:26:00am |
re: #100 Obdicut
I miss San Francisco weather a lot.
My wife really hates New York right now. Med school is not the best way to ensure enjoyment of a new city.
I thought she was on vacation now? Man am I behind the times.
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Obdicut Wed, May 4, 2011 5:29:18am |
re: #101 iceweasel
She was, for a week, which she spent writing up papers she’d been working on back in SF. No rest for the wise.
Basically, it’s just been a sucky year. Moving out of our awesome apartment in SF to NY, the stress of med school, two good older-generation friends dying, my grandmother and both her grandmother and grandfather dying, my close friend and colleague dying, me starting a new business, etc. etc. I hope she comes to like NY better once we’re out from under the shadow of all this.
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 5:32:04am |
re: #102 Obdicut
She was, for a week, which she spent writing up papers she’d been working on back in SF. No rest for the wise.
Basically, it’s just been a sucky year. Moving out of our awesome apartment in SF to NY, the stress of med school, two good older-generation friends dying, my grandmother and both her grandmother and grandfather dying, my close friend and colleague dying, me starting a new business, etc. etc. I hope she comes to like NY better once we’re out from under the shadow of all this.
My condolences on your losses. It’s been a really rough year for you both. Hopefully she’ll come to appreciate the city, and you too, though I can understand why you’d still be homesick for SF.
I always hear that San Francisco is the only other place in the US that New Yorkers like to live, but never the other way around. Maybe there’s a reason for that.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 5:34:16am |
re: #102 Obdicut
She was, for a week, which she spent writing up papers she’d been working on back in SF. No rest for the wise.
Basically, it’s just been a sucky year. Moving out of our awesome apartment in SF to NY, the stress of med school, two good older-generation friends dying, my grandmother and both her grandmother and grandfather dying, my close friend and colleague dying, me starting a new business, etc. etc. I hope she comes to like NY better once we’re out from under the shadow of all this.
Where is your wife attending med school?
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Obdicut Wed, May 4, 2011 5:35:25am |
re: #104 Alouette
Where is your wife attending med school?
Cornell/Weiss/Sloan-Kettering, as an Md/PhD student.
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 5:37:08am |
re: #105 Obdicut
Very cool. My wife is back in grad school, so I know how tough it is to be the “supporting” spouse.
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Flounder Wed, May 4, 2011 5:37:13am |
Obdicut,
If you get the chance, come up here to Saratoga Springs for track season in August. Lotsa fun, beautiful scenery and horsies too. And gambling, if you are into that.
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 5:38:49am |
re: #107 Shropshire_Slasher
Obdicut,
If you get the chance, come up here to Saratoga Springs for track season in August. Lotsa fun, beautiful scenery and horsies too. And gambling, if you are into that.
I’ll second that. August weekends in Saratoga Springs are a blast.
You don’t even have to go into the track; they have a giant picnic setup with TV Screens and betting booths outside it. You can get up close to the horses too.
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Obdicut Wed, May 4, 2011 5:40:12am |
re: #107 Shropshire_Slasher
We have a Quaker clambake to go to in a week or so. I hope that’ll do us some good.
Part of the problem is that I’m happier than she is in NYC. She’s all stressed out every day with her med school stuff, which is wicked hard, and I’m doing well in my business stuff and getting to explore the fun parts of NYC. It’s unfair.
Makes me very proud of her, of course, that she’s willing to put herself through this so she can do cancer research.
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 5:40:42am |
re: #108 iceweasel
I’ll second that. August weekends in Saratoga Springs are a blast.
You don’t even have to go into the track; they have a giant picnic setup with TV Screens and betting booths outside it. You can get up close to the horses too.
Saratoga is a nice place, almost a throwback to more “genteel” times (without the negative 50s shit).
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 5:42:05am |
re: #110 imp_62
Saratoga is a nice place, almost a throwback to more “genteel” times (without the negative 50s shit).
Lots of gorgeous restored (Victorian?) houses too, and beautiful flowers everywhere. There’s an artists colony up there too. Am I thinking of Yaddo?
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Flounder Wed, May 4, 2011 5:43:09am |
re: #111 iceweasel
Yes, Yaddo (effin awesome) and Victorian manses
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 5:43:56am |
re: #105 Obdicut
Cornell/Weiss/Sloan-Kettering, as an Md/PhD student.
My daughter started classes at Columbia!
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 5:44:20am |
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 5:44:42am |
re: #113 Alouette
My daughter started classes at Columbia!
Congratulations! You must be very proud of her.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 4, 2011 5:46:16am |
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 5:46:27am |
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 5:47:49am |
re: #117 Alouette
A dear friend’s daughter graduated Columbia nursing 2 years ago. Now she is back in school specializing. It is a fine, high demand, rewarding profession. Not an alternative to med school; a completely different life choice. Good luck to her.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 5:49:17am |
re: #118 imp_62
A dear friend’s daughter graduated Columbia nursing 2 years ago. Now she is back in school specializing. It is a fine, high demand, rewarding profession. Not an alternative to med school; a completely different life choice. Good luck to her.
She has said her goal is to become a Nurse Practitioner.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 5:50:18am |
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 5:51:53am |
re: #119 Alouette
She has said her goal is to become a Nurse Practitioner.
Precisely what our friend is doing. It’s really tough and demanding, but it seems a rewarding career awaits.
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tnguitarist Wed, May 4, 2011 5:53:08am |
Dear Charles,
This is my favorite political site by far. That being said, I wish it were more accessible from my mobile device. Since I cannot comment while at work, I am forced to do actual work.
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Obdicut Wed, May 4, 2011 5:53:19am |
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 5:53:37am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 4, 2011 5:53:50am |
re: #89 Alouette
All the delicate, sensitive souls are moaning and wringing their hands that people are happy Osama is dead. “When your enemy falls, do not rejoice!” they quote at you like church ladies, neglecting to read the other verse which says “When the wicked perish, there is gladness!”
They have also seemed to have completely forgotten about the victory celebrations from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 2, verses 9-21…
“Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy.” And the LORD did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats…
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Obdicut Wed, May 4, 2011 5:54:35am |
re: #124 Alouette
Nursing.
Nice. Encourage her to get a PhD in nursing and do teaching. We badly need more nurse teachers. Though a nurse practitioner is a fine, fine thing as well.
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 5:55:35am |
re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They have also seemed to have completely forgotten about the victory celebrations from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 2, verses 9-21…
“Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy.” And the LORD did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats…
Python quotes get auto ups.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 4, 2011 5:56:47am |
re: #122 tnguitarist
Can’t see a tiny handheld devise ever being able to work with LGF. Unless you have a George Jetson type of phone that goes from your pocket to desktop size.
Wait… *thoughtfully*…”a George Jetson type of phone that goes from your pocket to desktop size.”
Scribble scribble scribble on my Leonardo Da Vinci pad!
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 5:58:50am |
re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can’t see a tiny handheld devise ever being able to work with LGF. Unless you have a George Jetson type of phone that goes from your pocket to desktop size.
Wait… *thoughtfully*…”a George Jetson type of phone that goes from your pocket to desktop size.”
Scribble scribble scribble on my Leonardo Da Vinci pad!
I am so annoyed by the commercial that shows a guy “folding” a laptop in half, then cracking it in half again, and it turns into an iPad or something.
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 5:58:55am |
re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can’t see a tiny handheld devise ever being able to work with LGF. Unless you have a George Jetson type of phone that goes from your pocket to desktop size.
Wait… *thoughtfully*…”a George Jetson type of phone that goes from your pocket to desktop size.”
Scribble scribble scribble on my Leonardo Da Vinci pad!
You’re to late, Lenny
Foldable Computer Screens
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Gus Wed, May 4, 2011 6:02:01am |
re: #132 iceweasel
Yay, mongo’s here! How goes it gus?
Oh, time to wake up and get back to “things” here. Might be another hour. Coffee’s now done and sitting in front of me. Thinking. Thinking. Thinking. How goes Ice? :)
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Randy W. Weeks Wed, May 4, 2011 6:04:00am |
Mornin’. A nice, cool 52 here in South Texas this morning. We won’t have many more of those.
I’d love a LGF mobile. I get the pages RSS feeds on my iPhone and would love to be able to comment on them from my phone. Too difficult now.
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 6:04:07am |
re: #134 Gus 802
Oh, time to wake up and get back to “things” here. Might be another hour. Coffee’s now done and sitting in front of me. Thinking. Thinking. Thinking. How goes Ice? :)
Trying to type while a very grateful kitty gets in my way (I just fed her and the purring is a seismic rumble).
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The Optimist Wed, May 4, 2011 6:04:16am |
A Senior US Official tells CNN 10 hard drives, 5 computers and more than 100 storage devices which includes discs, DVDs and thumb drives were taken from the compound.
The senior us official also says the White House received 3 sets of photos yesterday. The photos included:
1. Photos of OBLs body at a hangar after he was brought back to Afghanistan. This is the most recognizable with a clear picture of his face. The picture is gruesome because he has a massive open head wound across both eyes. It’s very bloody and gory.
2. Photos from the burial at sea on the USS Carl Vinson. Photos of OBL before the shroud was put on and then wrapped in the shroud.
3. There are photos of the raid itself that include photos of the two dead brothers, one of OBLs dead son (adult adolescent, maybe approx 18 yrs old) and some of the inside scene of the compound.
The official says the challenge is that the picture that includes the most recognizable image of OBLs face – from the hangar in Afghanistan – is so gruesome and mangled its not appropriate for say the front page of the newspaper. On the other hand, this is the one that is most identifiable as him.
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Gus Wed, May 4, 2011 6:07:23am |
re: #136 iceweasel
Trying to type while a very grateful kitty gets in my way (I just fed her and the purring is a seismic rumble).
Last night I was thinking about a cat for the future. We’ll see. It’s good to have those little critters around.
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Summer Seale Wed, May 4, 2011 6:09:23am |
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 6:09:34am |
re: #138 Gus 802
Last night I was thinking about a cat for the future. We’ll see. It’s good to have those little critters around.
They’re great. I hope there’s one in your future soon!
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:11:22am |
re: #138 Gus 802
Last night I was thinking about a cat for the future. We’ll see. It’s good to have those little critters around.
My cat is sitting by the sliding glass door in our bedroom now, chattering at a little bird. I discovered yesterday that it decided to build its nest in the pocket holding our back yard floodlights…which means I can’t turn them on or I’ll cook its eggs. But Bflat is endlessly entertained by the bird. I’m hoping he doesn’t kill this one…He so likes killing things.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 6:11:26am |
These guys make good pets too.
Image: raptor_bigger.jpg
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 6:11:42am |
re: #137 Venezuela lover
A Senior US Official tells CNN 10 hard drives, 5 computers and more than 100 storage devices which includes discs, DVDs and thumb drives were taken from the compound.
The senior us official also says the White House received 3 sets of photos yesterday. The photos included:
1. Photos of OBLs body at a hangar after he was brought back to Afghanistan. This is the most recognizable with a clear picture of his face. The picture is gruesome because he has a massive open head wound across both eyes. It’s very bloody and gory.
2. Photos from the burial at sea on the USS Carl Vinson. Photos of OBL before the shroud was put on and then wrapped in the shroud.
3. There are photos of the raid itself that include photos of the two dead brothers, one of OBLs dead son (adult adolescent, maybe approx 18 yrs old) and some of the inside scene of the compound.
The official says the challenge is that the picture that includes the most recognizable image of OBLs face – from the hangar in Afghanistan – is so gruesome and mangled its not appropriate for say the front page of the newspaper. On the other hand, this is the one that is most identifiable as him.
Frankly, the gore does not bother me. On the other hand, i am perfectly willing to take the President’s and the military’s word for the fact that OBL is dead. If I had such a profound distrust of the government, I should really move to a different country (which might happen after the next election, depending).
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Gus Wed, May 4, 2011 6:11:43am |
re: #140 iceweasel
They’re great. I hope there’s one in your future soon!
Yeah. First I have to do this other stuff. Then that other stuff. And… Yesterday it dawned on me that I need a cell phone and laptop. That’ll have to wait. Wish I could just permanently “check into” a tropical island paradise instead.
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tnguitarist Wed, May 4, 2011 6:11:52am |
re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can’t see a tiny handheld devise ever being able to work with LGF. Unless you have a George Jetson type of phone that goes from your pocket to desktop size.
Wait… *thoughtfully*…”a George Jetson type of phone that goes from your pocket to desktop size.”
Scribble scribble scribble on my Leonardo Da Vinci pad!
Most sites have a different version for mobile devices.
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:12:07am |
re: #142 Varek Raith
These guys make good pets too.
Image: raptor_bigger.jpg
They take up too much bed at night.
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 6:13:30am |
re: #144 Gus 802
Yeah. First I have to do this other stuff. Then that other stuff. And… Yesterday it dawned on me that I need a cell phone and laptop. That’ll have to wait. Wish I could just permanently “check into” a tropical island paradise instead.
You can get a temporary cell phone and card at walmart, I think. Kmart, that kind of place.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 6:13:41am |
re: #146 darthstar
They take up too much bed at night.
That’s true.
And these guys just slobber over everything.
Image: Queen_AlienPress_still01.jpg
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Gus Wed, May 4, 2011 6:13:56am |
re: #146 darthstar
They take up too much bed at night.
You should see the size of the kitty litter granules!
/
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tnguitarist Wed, May 4, 2011 6:14:25am |
Blogging, texting, feeding a baby….yeah, I’m good.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 6:14:35am |
re: #149 Gus 802
You should see the size of the kitty litter granules!
/
Is that my neighbor Bob???
Whoops.
/
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Gus Wed, May 4, 2011 6:15:05am |
re: #147 iceweasel
You can get a temporary cell phone and card at walmart, I think. Kmart, that kind of place.
Yep. Thought about that. I’ll probably do that instead of going through the “cell phone” for one year “or else we take your life!” route. /
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:16:08am |
re: #148 Varek Raith
That’s true.
And these guys just slobber over everything.
Image: Queen_AlienPress_still01.jpg
Still, that would be better than a bulldog…they slobber.
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 6:16:57am |
re: #152 Gus 802
Yep. Thought about that. I’ll probably do that instead of going through the “cell phone” for one year “or else we take your life!” route. /
Once you get a laptop, you can install skype. Practically free international calling, and free calls to other skype users. Very cheap long distance. Local cell phone calls are expensive on it, but that’s what the phone would be for.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 6:17:07am |
man this osama bin laden photo thing is just so ridiculous
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:17:24am |
re: #149 Gus 802
You should see the size of the kitty litter granules!
/
I hired the neighborhood kids to come by and feed my pet while I was on vacation.
Which one?
All of them. Bobby on Wednesday, Suzie on Thursday, Alan on Friday…
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 6:17:39am |
re: #138 Gus 802
Last night I was thinking about a cat for the future. We’ll see. It’s good to have those little critters around.
I got three of ‘em, they’ve destroyed three of my laptops
I still love ‘em to pieces, hahaha
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Gus Wed, May 4, 2011 6:18:06am |
re: #154 iceweasel
Once you get a laptop, you can install skype. Practically free international calling, and free calls to other skype users. Very cheap long distance. Local cell phone calls are expensive on it, but that’s what the phone would be for.
Yep. Was also thinking about Skype while making the coffee just now. That would be very useful. What’s it like on LD calls within the USA?
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mr.fusion Wed, May 4, 2011 6:18:06am |
What a big moment this would have been for the country
WASHINGTON — A spokesman for George W. Bush says the former president has declined an invitation from President Barack Obama to attend an observance at New York’s ground zero.
:sigh:
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:18:34am |
re: #155 WindUpBird
man this osama bin laden photo thing is just so ridiculous
You only say that because you know it was staged. ///
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:18:48am |
re: #147 iceweasel
You can get a temporary cell phone and card at walmart, I think. Kmart, that kind of place.
I have had a Net 10 phone for 2 years. Never had a call dropped and $25 a month for 750 minutes. No roll over.
And good morning Honcos.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 6:18:52am |
re: #159 mr.fusion
Bush is DONE
he probably never wants to see a camera again as long as he lives, hah
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 6:19:16am |
re: #158 Gus 802
Yep. Was also thinking about Skype while making the coffee just now. That would be very useful. What’s it like on LD calls within the USA?
Cheap to landlines. It’s best for long distance calls of all sorts.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 6:19:29am |
re: #160 darthstar
You only say that because you know it was staged. ///
GRASSY KNOLL HLAGAHALAGAHALAGAHAG CHEMTRAILS BIN LADEN IS A WOMAN COATS TO COAST
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:19:34am |
re: #159 mr.fusion
What a big moment this would have been for the country
:sigh:
That’s okay…the nutters will still claim Obama never invited him…just ask Breitbart.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:19:47am |
re: #157 WindUpBird
I got three of ‘em, they’ve destroyed three of my laptops
I still love ‘em to pieces, hahaha
The lap tops or the cats?
/
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tnguitarist Wed, May 4, 2011 6:20:34am |
re: #153 darthstar
Still, that would be better than a bulldog…they slobber.
and fart…..and snore. I have one.
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 6:20:45am |
This just in: US Job growth slowed to 179,000 in April
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 6:21:16am |
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Gus Wed, May 4, 2011 6:21:34am |
A lot of American’s were obsessed with “getting OBL” for what almost felt like centuries. Now that “we’ve got” OBL we have to put up with this conspiracy shit. I tells ya’. Humans.
“Get Osama! Get Osama! Get Osama! Get Osama! Get Osama!”
“That’s not Osama! Osama is still alive!”
Sheesh.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:21:39am |
re: #159 mr.fusion
What a big moment this would have been for the country
:sigh:
Remember when we had a plane collide with a Chinese fighter jet? Bush didn’t go to Washington state for the crews return. He said it was about them and their families, not him. This is par for the course.
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:22:25am |
re: #162 WindUpBird
Bush is DONE
he probably never wants to see a camera again as long as he lives, hah
That’s probably more accurate than any other theory. He’s not an ex-president who is interested in wasting his time saving starving children, building homes for poor people, or any of that crap…there’s fishin’ to be done and “Watch this drive!”
And I don’t hold that against him. I’m glad he’s honest about what he wants to do with his retirement years.
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Gus Wed, May 4, 2011 6:23:28am |
re: #159 mr.fusion
What a big moment this would have been for the country
:sigh:
I agree. Bush should go. Sigh for sure.
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Summer Seale Wed, May 4, 2011 6:23:34am |
re: #170 iceweasel
Pageworthy, imo.
Not sure what that means but thanks..? =)
I gotta get back to working anyway. =)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:24:04am |
re: #168 imp_62
This just in: US Job growth slowed to 179,000 in April
Is that a correction from a previous number?
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 6:25:10am |
re: #175 Summer
Not sure what that means but thanks..? =)
I gotta get back to working anyway. =)
I meant make it a page so more people see it. :-) It’s worth the read. I was one of the people who thought Bush was an ass for not leaving the room immediately; that piece made me change my mind.
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 6:25:40am |
re: #176 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is that a correction from a previous number?
No, it is a new figure, which will be corrected in a month or so, as per usual. But the plummeting dollar will not benefit from this information.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:26:43am |
re: #177 iceweasel
I meant make it a page so more people see it. :-) It’s worth the read. I was one of the people who thought Bush was an ass for not leaving the room immediately; that piece made me change my mind.
Didn’t Michael Moore say Bush had the book upside down while reading?
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:26:56am |
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 6:27:04am |
re: #179 tnguitarist
They are cute and fun, but they tend to run to fat if not exercised properly, and due to breeding missteps often suffer respiratory issues.
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 6:27:55am |
re: #180 Cannadian Club Akbar
Didn’t Michael Moore say Bush had the book upside down while reading?
Dunno and don’t care about Moore.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:27:59am |
re: #182 imp_62
They are cute and fun, but they tend to run to fat if not exercised properly, and due to breeding missteps often suffer respiratory issues.
You just described American males!!:)
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Gus Wed, May 4, 2011 6:28:35am |
re: #173 darthstar
That’s probably more accurate than any other theory. He’s not an ex-president who is interested in wasting his time saving starving children, building homes for poor people, or any of that crap…there’s fishin’ to be done and “Watch this drive!”
And I don’t hold that against him. I’m glad he’s honest about what he wants to do with his retirement years.
He did team up with Clinton for Haiti.
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laZardo Wed, May 4, 2011 6:28:55am |
re: #173 darthstar
That’s probably more accurate than any other theory. He’s not an ex-president who is interested in wasting his time saving starving children, building homes for poor people, or any of that crap…there’s fishin’ to be done and “Watch this drive!”
And I don’t hold that against him. I’m glad he’s honest about what he wants to do with his retirement years.
Or maybe he just doesn’t want to face the inevitable heckling for the shit that his administration did.
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tnguitarist Wed, May 4, 2011 6:29:03am |
re: #182 imp_62
He is one of the slimmest, most active bulldogs you will ever see. Not an apartment dog. We live on a farm.
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 6:30:13am |
re: #188 Gus 802
Plus Bill Clinton’s shirts make for a great hand towel.
///
ahahahahahaha— I’d forgotten that.
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:30:42am |
re: #182 imp_62
They are cute and fun, but they tend to run to fat if not exercised properly, and due to breeding missteps often suffer respiratory issues.
Seeing bulldogs exercise…ha! My favorite bulldog story is from when my wife and I took our cattle dog to a dog park to throw a frisbee for him (he loves jumping for frisbees). There was a bulldog owner’s group there, so about 20 or 30 of them were running around, and about half of those were puppies. Well, about six puppies just fell in love with Banjo and were running along side him trying to play with him (while he was hyperfocused on the frisbee). He was so covered with puppy slobber by the time we were through I had to wash him off.
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:31:06am |
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:31:59am |
re: #188 Gus 802
Plus Bill Clinton’s shirts make for a great hand towel.
///
Not a great moment in humanitarian photo ops.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 6:32:20am |
Bin Laden’s body must be paraded in a monstrance throughout all the cities of the Realm, every citizen should be given an opportunity to take a tissue sample and prove to themselves once and for all if it is real.
But even then, there would remain that 0.01 percent chance of doubt…
/
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:33:32am |
re: #186 laZardo
Or maybe he just doesn’t want to face the inevitable heckling for the shit that his administration did.
Well, there are a few of us who still hold that whole invasion of Iraq based on lies against him…a lot of Americans have died because of that decision, and Iraq is still a corrupt nation.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:33:39am |
re: #193 ralphieboy
If you think it will be .01%, you failed math!!!
//
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Gus Wed, May 4, 2011 6:34:04am |
re: #193 ralphieboy
Bin Laden’s body must be paraded in a monstrance throughout all the cities of the Realm, every citizen should be given an opportunity to take a tissue sample and prove to themselves once and for all if it is real.
But even then, there would remain that 0.01 percent chance of doubt…
/
How about an improvised state funeral and public viewing. “OK, here he is. Now STFU!”
Nah, probably wouldn’t cut it.
//
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 6:34:45am |
re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar
If you think it will be .01%, you failed math!!!
//
I don’t need math to doubt the authenticity of DNA samples!
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, May 4, 2011 6:35:13am |
re: #168 imp_62
This just in: US Job growth slowed to 179,000 in April
That might explain the decline in TV ownership in the US.
;)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:35:33am |
re: #197 ralphieboy
I don’t need math to doubt the authenticity of DNA samples!
Former OJ juror, huh?
/
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Political Atheist Wed, May 4, 2011 6:35:59am |
re: #159 mr.fusion
I don’t blame him. He really wants to stay out of the public eye, has said on a few occasions that’s wheat former President’s should all do. I agree wholeheartedly. The harshest critics would have a field day.
(Carter, Clinton and Bush 41 are laudable exceptions, what with philanthropic efforts. )
“The spokesman, David Sherzer, says the former president appreciated the offer to attend but has chosen to remain out of the spotlight during his post-presidency.
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 6:36:10am |
re: #191 darthstar
Bush has repeatedly made it clear that he doesn’t want to talk politics - and I can understand both sides of wanting/not wanting Bush at Ground Zero tomorrow.
On the one hand, it would be a symbolic gesture of solidarity and recognition of getting one of the big fish that the US has sought for more than a dozen years through 3 presidencies. It would be a tremendous visual to say the least.
On the other, Bush probably doesn’t want to take away from Obama’s moment either. Obama deserves all the credit in the world for carrying off this mission - and Bush could be considered a distraction.
Of course, now that Bush has declined - the media (and blogosphere reax) becomes about him - and not about Obama.
Seeing how I work just down the block from Ground Zero, it would have been nice to see ‘em both down here but I understand where he’s coming from. It’s a no-win for Bush now.
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 6:36:11am |
I’ll be back in a while. It is impossible to work with this page up.
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:36:23am |
re: #196 Gus 802
How about an improvised state funeral and public viewing. “OK, here he is. Now STFU!”
Nah, probably wouldn’t cut it.
//
State funeral? I’d be offended by the honors. I think a shroud, some scrap metal for weight, and a plop into the sea was fine.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 6:37:10am |
There, wingnuts, now STFU!
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 6:37:47am |
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steve_davis Wed, May 4, 2011 6:38:01am |
re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So do my folks. *shudders* Then again, my mother loves pineapple on pizza as well. Apparently, good taste in food is not something determined by genetics.
I finally broke down and tried a Hawaiian from Domino’s. Best damned pizza of theirs I’ve ever eaten. The pineapple worked really, really well. I don’t think I’d put it on one of my homemade’s, but then again, when I make my own, I mostly don’t use any tomato sauce.
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:38:31am |
re: #202 lawhawk
I think he could have gone to Ground Zero and it wouldn’t have been a big deal. And the bonus for the wingnuts is it would have been all about how Bush was the reason Obama got Osama. He would have been their true hero for the day.
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laZardo Wed, May 4, 2011 6:38:41am |
re: #205 Varek Raith
There, wingnuts, now STFU!
Wonder how many of the ST6 guys did “victory squats” over his corpse.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 6:39:10am |
re: #207 steve_davis
I finally broke down and tried a Hawaiian from Domino’s. Best damned pizza of theirs I’ve ever eaten. The pineapple worked really, really well. I don’t think I’d put it on one of my homemade’s, but then again, when I make my own, I mostly don’t use any tomato sauce.
I first thought that artichoke hearts and feta cheese pizza sounded abominable at first, but I now fine it quite delish.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:39:55am |
i refuse to be sucked into the pineapple/pizza debate yet again.
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 6:40:27am |
re: #208 darthstar
I pretty much agree with that - he was invited, and he should have gone. He could have been very deferential to Obama when asked any questions about OBL or Ground Zero or 9/11 on anything political.
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Political Atheist Wed, May 4, 2011 6:41:41am |
re: #211 Cannadian Club Akbar
The proper investigation never ends. I have to re examine the data (umm, I mean EAT it) once a week.
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:42:40am |
re: #209 laZardo
Wonder how many of the ST6 guys did “victory squats” over his corpse.
While the temptation to strap a piece of timed ordinance to him for weighting before dropping him into the sea was probably not completely absent, I don’t think any kind of body mocking occurred. I suspect the ST6 guys were pretty professional about it. Got him, wrap his ass up and get him to the chopper and let’s get the fuck out of Pakistan and go home.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:42:49am |
re: #213 Rightwingconspirator
The proper investigation never ends. I have to re examine the data (umm, I mean EAT it) once a week.
I bet a dollar no one here knows how the pineapple got its name.
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Obdicut Wed, May 4, 2011 6:43:30am |
re: #209 laZardo
Wonder how many of the ST6 guys did “victory squats” over his corpse.
None, because they have discipline.
Why on earth do people think that Special Forces guys act like Monster-chugging pimply Halo players?
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BongCrodny Wed, May 4, 2011 6:44:03am |
re: #108 iceweasel
I’ll second that. August weekends in Saratoga Springs are a blast.
You don’t even have to go into the track; they have a giant picnic setup with TV Screens and betting booths outside it. You can get up close to the horses too.
…and if you happen to get there during the summer, the Saratoga Performing Arts Center is a pretty decent place to take in a concert.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 6:44:06am |
re: #216 Cannadian Club Akbar
I bet a dollar no one here knows how the pineapple got its name.
There was this apple.
There was this pine cone.
There rest is NSFW.
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:44:17am |
re: #216 Cannadian Club Akbar
I bet a dollar no one here knows how the pineapple got its name.
Because it looked like a pine cone?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:44:44am |
re: #219 Varek Raith
There was this apple.
There was this pine cone.
There rest is NSFW.
Great, now I’m broke. Hope you like dimes!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:45:28am |
re: #220 darthstar
Because it looked like a pine cone?
Looked like a pine cone, texture of an apple according to explorers.
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Political Atheist Wed, May 4, 2011 6:45:32am |
re: #208 darthstar
I think he could have gone to Ground Zero and it wouldn’t have been a big deal. And the bonus for the wingnuts is it would have been all about how Bush was the reason Obama got Osama. He would have been their true hero for the day.
The whole game of apportioning credit between them like some kind of championship score keeping is appalling to me. And appalling to those who served under each I think. Too many dead & hurt to sit back and listen to that crap, from the wingnuts or the moonbats. IMO it trivializes the effort.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, May 4, 2011 6:46:15am |
re: #212 lawhawk
I pretty much agree with that - he was invited, and he should have gone. He could have been very deferential to Obama when asked any questions about OBL or Ground Zero or 9/11 on anything political.
I agree, he should have gone.
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:47:10am |
re: #223 Rightwingconspirator
Yep. Just celebrate the victory together and put that other crap aside for a day.
Okay…time to go run the dogs. BBL.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, May 4, 2011 6:47:34am |
re: #215 darthstar
While the temptation to strap a piece of timed ordinance to him for weighting before dropping him into the sea was probably not completely absent, I don’t think any kind of body mocking occurred. I suspect the ST6 guys were pretty professional about it. Got him, wrap his ass up and get him to the chopper and let’s get the fuck out of Pakistan and go home.
I concur. Those who can walk the walk do not need to add any sort of macho posturing on top of it. Knowing what you are capable of removes the need to make demonstrations of your badass-ness.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, May 4, 2011 6:48:53am |
re: #223 Rightwingconspirator
The whole game of apportioning credit between them like some kind of championship score keeping is appalling to me. And appalling to those who served under each I think. Too many dead & hurt to sit back and listen to that crap, from the wingnuts or the moonbats. IMO it trivializes the effort.
Life is not a zero sum game. Unfortunately there appear to be all too many humans who think *everything* is a zero sum game.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:50:00am |
re: #226 oaktree
I concur. Those who can walk the walk do not need to add any sort of macho posturing on top of it. Knowing what you are capable of removes the need to make demonstrations of your badass-ness.
Exactly. This is why when some idiot at a bar is bragging about him being a Special Forces soldier, you know he’s full of shit.
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mr.fusion Wed, May 4, 2011 6:51:15am |
re: #223 Rightwingconspirator
The whole game of apportioning credit between them like some kind of championship score keeping is appalling to me. And appalling to those who served under each I think. Too many dead & hurt to sit back and listen to that crap, from the wingnuts or the moonbats. IMO it trivializes the effort.
Very well said. I was hoping we wouldn’t be hearing the partisan angles for a couple of weeks, but now here it is.
“It was torture that got him!!” or “Bush should have taken care of this years ago!!!”
It’s just all so sad
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theye1 Wed, May 4, 2011 6:51:48am |
Given all the all evidence presented, I’m now convinced that the Pakistan government or elements of the Pakistan government knew about the Osama Assassination.
You can’t 4 Helicopters across Pakistan and engage in a 40 minute firefight so close to a military and not expect a Military response from Pakistan.
Pakistan is perfectly willing to shoot down Helicopters that violate it’s sovereignty.
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Lidane Wed, May 4, 2011 6:52:21am |
Off to school, but before I go, I’ll leave this here:
To all my neighbors, you got much flavor
Charles Johnson continues the hazardous duty of reading Pam Geller
Some interesting comments about the Harpy and about LGF over there. I think people are still wrapping their heads around the fact that this place has changed.
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Political Atheist Wed, May 4, 2011 6:53:18am |
re: #227 oaktree
I really feel ready to move on from the war on terror. The military and spooks have plenty of work to do, as do police. But I’m really more than ready for it to fade from public awareness/obsession. We blew up 2.5 countries, got Bin Laden.
Enough. We have an economy to grow, lives to live, children to raise. Leave the way to the warriors.
Laters folks gotta get to my day job.
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Obdicut Wed, May 4, 2011 6:53:52am |
re: #228 Cannadian Club Akbar
Exactly. This is why when some idiot at a bar is bragging about him being a Special Forces soldier, you know he’s full of shit.
My brother’s brother-in-law, who is a legitimate bad-ass as an ex-blue angel and still fighter pilot, never brags, and spends most of his time talking about other awesome people in the military if you ask him to talk about the military.
Great guy.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 6:54:18am |
re: #228 Cannadian Club Akbar
Exactly. This is why when some idiot at a bar is bragging about him being a Special Forces soldier, you know he’s full of shit.
I don’t mean to brag, but I took out 5 T-72s with a thimble full of gas, a rubber band and 3 paperclips.
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laZardo Wed, May 4, 2011 6:54:56am |
re: #227 oaktree
Life is not a zero sum game. Unfortunately there appear to be all too many humans who think *everything* is a zero sum game.
The universe is one big zero-sum game played out over billions if not trillions of years.
At least if you follow the Heat Death or Big Crunch hypotheses. :P
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 6:55:44am |
re: #236 Varek Raith
I don’t mean to brag, but I took out 5 T-72s with a thimble full of gas, a rubber band and 3 paperclips.
I don’t mean to brag, but some Israeli guy took down the Iranian’s entire atomic bomb programs with some 0’s and 1’s…
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 6:55:45am |
re: #236 Varek Raith
I don’t mean to brag, but I took out 5 T-72s with a thimble full of gas, a rubber band and 3 paperclips.
PPfftt. I once killed a 6 pack just to watch it die.
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 6:56:33am |
re: #139 Summer
TIME: The Interrupted Reading: The Kids with George Bush on 9/11
Thanks Summer.
“One thing they’d like to tell Bush’s critics — like liberal filmmaker Michael Moore, whose 2004 documentary Fahrenheit 911 disparaged Bush for lingering almost 10 minutes with the Booker students after getting word that two planes had crashed into New York’s World Trade Center — is that they think the President did the right thing. “I think he was trying to keep everybody calm, starting with us,” says Guerrero. Dubrocq agrees: “I think he was trying to protect us.” Booker Principal Gwendolyn Tose’-Rigell, who died in 2007, later insisted, “I don’t think anyone could have handled it better. What would it have served if [Bush] had jumped out of his chair and ran out of the room?”“
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theye1 Wed, May 4, 2011 6:57:07am |
re: #239 Cannadian Club Akbar
Is your name Sue, by any chance?
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 6:57:11am |
re: #231 theye1
Or - the US had the ability to shut down/spoof the radar/intel systems with false data preventing any response.
Seeing as the US has provided quite a bit of the gear that the Pakistanis use, it wouldn’t be difficult for the US to come up with countermeasures to its own gear.
Or - someone within the Pakistani military in Abbotabad was keyed in on the mission and didn’t allow any Pakistani military units to respond until after the raid was done.
It should also be noted that the Pakistani military has a tough time of operating in the frontier provinces and those provinces are pretty much autonomous.
As I have been noting - the govt in Islamabad is walking a real thin line - they can’t admit that they had any role in the mission lest the Islamists decide to overthrow the government, and they can’t say that they had no role lest they lose support of the US or the West in their ongoing counter-terror operations (Pakistan is a nexus of significant Islamic terror ops against Western and Pakistani targets, to say nothing of attacks against India or inside Afghanistan).
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 6:59:06am |
re: #236 Varek Raith
Ha. I once took out the entire Soviet navy using nothing more than dental floss and a toothpick. /macguyver’d
Oh, and for the record - tis pretty easy to take out a T-72 with those items. Use them to overpower the crew of one T-72, and then fire on the other unsuspecting tanks. Presto chango - tank company toast.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 6:59:34am |
re: #231 theye1
Given all the all evidence presented, I’m now convinced that the Pakistan government or elements of the Pakistan government knew about the Osama Assassination.
You can’t 4 Helicopters across Pakistan and engage in a 40 minute firefight so close to a military and not expect a Military response from Pakistan.
Pakistan is perfectly willing to shoot down Helicopters that violate it’s sovereignty.
I was just reading up on that and the official story is that the Pakistanis were not told about the mission. My guess is that the Pakistani military might have thought it was their own choppers at first. By the time the figured it out the mission was over and we were on the way out.
This has really put Pakistan on our shit list and warning them about the mission almost certainly would have resulted in Bin Laden escaping.
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laZardo Wed, May 4, 2011 7:06:12am |
re: #240 Ericus58
Thanks Summer.
“One thing they’d like to tell Bush’s critics — like liberal filmmaker Michael Moore, whose 2004 documentary Fahrenheit 911 disparaged Bush for lingering almost 10 minutes with the Booker students after getting word that two planes had crashed into New York’s World Trade Center — is that they think the President did the right thing. “I think he was trying to keep everybody calm, starting with us,” says Guerrero. Dubrocq agrees: “I think he was trying to protect us.” Booker Principal Gwendolyn Tose’-Rigell, who died in 2007, later insisted, “I don’t think anyone could have handled it better. What would it have served if [Bush] had jumped out of his chair and ran out of the room?”“
Pfft, they were only 7 at the time.
///
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 7:09:34am |
UN human rights boss questions U.S. on legality of bin Laden killing
The UN’s chief human rights official led calls by rights activist organizations on Tuesday for Washington to explain whether U.S. forces lawfully killed Osama bin Laden.
The request by Navi Pillay, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, came even as the world body continues to falter over its multi-year bid to define terrorism.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 7:10:06am |
We like to overlook Pakistan, but it has
a) nuclear capacity
and
b) a population of nearly 190 million: only China, India, Indonesia, the US and Brazil are ahead of it.
We have our next major foreign policy headache pre-programmed here…
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 7:13:40am |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
Doesn’t HRW cry anytime Israel defends itself?
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 7:14:07am |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
UN human rights boss questions U.S. on legality of bin Laden killing
Yeah - read this yesterday.
Non-Starter methinks from the U.S. perspective.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 7:14:57am |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
UN human rights boss questions U.S. on legality of bin Laden killing
I hope they read him his Miranda rights before shooting him…
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 7:19:52am |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
UN human rights boss questions U.S. on legality of bin Laden killing
Who gives a shit?
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Romantic Heretic Wed, May 4, 2011 7:22:01am |
re: #89 Alouette
All the delicate, sensitive souls are moaning and wringing their hands that people are happy Osama is dead. “When your enemy falls, do not rejoice!” they quote at you like church ladies, neglecting to read the other verse which says “When the wicked perish, there is gladness!”
In reply, Nietzsche:
Beware when you battle monsters,
lest you become a monster.
And as you gaze into the abyss,
the abyss gazes also,
into you.
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laZardo Wed, May 4, 2011 7:23:14am |
re: #250 ralphieboy
I hope they read him his Miranda rights before shooting him…
“You have the right to remain silent. PERMANENTLY.”
[hair-metal riff]
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theye1 Wed, May 4, 2011 7:25:23am |
re: #242 lawhawk
It’s just speculation really, we won’t know what really happened.
To be honest, Pakistan could probably shut down most of the Islamic terror groups, if they were inclined too. The problem is that Pakistan sees the Islamic terror groups as tools to limit Indian influence within the region.
Basically, Pakistan thinks the USA is going to lose or abandon the Afghan War and the Afghan government will collapse. But if it doesn’t, the Pakistan government will move in and sweep aside the remnants of the Taliban and claim that they helped America beat the Taliban. They’re also pushing a reconciliation with the Haqqani network, which would make the Afghan government dependent on Pakistan.
re: #247 ralphieboy
The ISAf is also painfully reliant on logistical support that originates from Pakistan.
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 7:35:49am |
re: #12 WindUpBird
I’ve been listening to The Slip, Year Zero and Ghosts I-IV (which is all instrumental). Year Zero rocks bigtime, and there’s more than a little political motivation there. With Teeth is polished but lacks the bite that PHM had.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 7:40:18am |
re: #255 lawhawk
I’ve been listening to The Slip, Year Zero and Ghosts I-IV (which is all instrumental). Year Zero rocks bigtime, and there’s more than a little political motivation there. With Teeth is polished but lacks the bite that PHM had.
I agree, of the newer stuff, YZ is the most solid ^_^
Though lately for electronic-ey music, I’ve been digging this sorta spaced-out-downtempo torch-singer stuff, Blind Divine: [Link: www.blinddivine.com…]
They’re really sexy and haunting, and they do their own art! Great great stuff
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 7:40:33am |
re: #247 ralphieboy
It’s been a huge headache for years - beginning before Pakistan went nuclear and our relations with Pakistan and India are still shaped by Cold War motivations, and while the US has been slowly shifting away from those positions, there’s a lot of inertia on both sides to maintain closer relations to Pakistan than with India even though the US has more in common with India.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 7:40:45am |
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McSpiff Wed, May 4, 2011 7:40:53am |
re: #249 Ericus58
Yeah - read this yesterday.
Non-Starter methinks from theU.S.North American perspective.
FTFY ;-)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 7:41:24am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 7:41:35am |
re: #260 Cannadian Club Akbar
oh man, that stuff is fucke dup O_O
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 7:44:17am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 7:50:43am |
re: #265 wozzablog
I think I’m slightly old to have been into that show, my friends who are about 4-5 years younger than me are obsessed with it
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 7:51:14am |
re: #264 Cannadian Club Akbar
Don’t know about that - but this is an interesting detail from another OBL raid story - he had money and phone numbers sewn into his clothes in order to expedite a quick getaway if caught. Guess we’ll be playing phone tag with those numbers now. *reach out and touch someone*
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Lidane Wed, May 4, 2011 7:51:30am |
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 7:51:45am |
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aagcobb Wed, May 4, 2011 7:52:28am |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
Being criticized by this crowd for not respecting OBL’s rights can only help Obama’s street cred.
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brennant Wed, May 4, 2011 7:52:36am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 7:52:55am |
re: #268 lawhawk
I heard that this morning. Not much money, though.
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 7:54:12am |
So, this morning it’s raining in the NYC metro area, and the media circus at Ground Zero is greatly diminished. Sure, there are satellite trucks still lining Church in front of the Post Office, but the hoards of media outlets and their reporters has sought to cover the story elsewhere - likely in the comfortable surroundings of any number of studios in NYC.
That will all change tomorrow when the President comes to town. We still don’t know when he’s coming - or how much time he’s going to be in or near Ground Zero, but the media will likely try to cover his every move except for meeting privately with some family members of 9/11 victims.
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 7:54:20am |
I took 3,798 steps on my morning jog, according to my pedometer. The route is 2.06 miles (according to the GPS). That puts my average stride around 2.86 feet.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 7:54:40am |
Dainty soul complains: Americans shouldn’t be celebrating Bin Laden’s death.
Last night, the crowds cheered and sang before the White House and in Manhattan. And, today, the jingoistic, congratulatory op-eds hit the papers.
[…]
A death of a human being should never be celebrated — whether that person was an innocent or whether he or she is guilty of an unspeakable crime. Bloodshed, and rejoicing in it, only perpetuates the cycle of violence.
Oh please.
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Political Atheist Wed, May 4, 2011 7:57:33am |
Strong emotions and conclusion Paged
Bush was calm & cool for the kids on 9/11.
Not calm & cool due to some conspiracy.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 7:57:34am |
re: #277 Alouette
Dainty soul complains: Americans shouldn’t be celebrating Bin Laden’s death.
Oh please.
[Link: www.examiner.com…]
Steeler running back Rashard Mendenhall also weighed in on Bin Laden’s death, utilizing the social network Twitter on Monday. What he had to say was shocking at best.
“What kind of person celebrates death? Its amazing how people hate a man they have never even heard speak. We’ve only heard one side.”
Ps. Go Packers!!
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 7:58:06am |
An uncomfortable fact but it’s true…..
Ex-CIA Counterterror Chief: ‘Enhanced Interrogation’ Led U.S. to bin Laden
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Wozza Matter? Wed, May 4, 2011 7:58:31am |
re: #267 WindUpBird
I think I’m slightly old to have been into that show, my friends who are about 4-5 years younger than me are obsessed with it
First on in ‘93 and then regularly featured in the Animaniacs from ‘95-‘01.
Awesome show.
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 7:58:52am |
Former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi called to thank Bush for his role in tracking down bin Laden over the years, and ultimately helping gather data that led to the mission to kill OBL.
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) said she called former President George W. Bush on Tuesday to congratulate him on the capture and killing of Osama bin Laden.Following a classified briefing on the operation to take down bin Laden, Pelosi told reporters that she called the former president earlier in the day to “congratulate him and thank him for the leadership role he had played in this quest over the years.”
Pelosi was Speaker of the House for two years while Bush was in the White House.
Pelosi said she thought Bush appreciated the call.
Damned nice on her part.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 7:59:37am |
re: #282 lawhawk
Former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi called to thank Bush for his role in tracking down bin Laden over the years, and ultimately helping gather data that led to the mission to kill OBL.
Damned nice on her part.
Nice to see that.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 7:59:46am |
re: #277 Alouette
Dainty soul complains: Americans shouldn’t be celebrating Bin Laden’s death.
Oh please.
Great comment down below…
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Relpo Miraculous
275 Fans
5 hours ago (5:30 AM)I have been looking for Mya’s articles condemning Arab celebrations over attacks on Israeli civilians recently. I can’t find any.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 7:59:52am |
re: #282 lawhawk
Former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi called to thank Bush for his role in tracking down bin Laden over the years, and ultimately helping gather data that led to the mission to kill OBL.
Damned nice on her part.
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com…]
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 8:00:32am |
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Wozza Matter? Wed, May 4, 2011 8:01:05am |
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Stan the Demanded Plan Wed, May 4, 2011 8:01:30am |
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 4, 2011 8:01:52am |
re: #282 lawhawk
Former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi called to thank Bush for his role in tracking down bin Laden over the years, and ultimately helping gather data that led to the mission to kill OBL.
Damned nice on her part.
Yes indeed. She and the President, and well, Bush as well - class acts all the way around. As it usually happens for the big events in this country.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 8:02:09am |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 8:02:58am |
re: #288 Stanley Sea
Hey! I thought you never went to that cesspool.
I usually don’t but I couldn’t resist reading that insane article.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 8:03:10am |
I didn’t celebrate OBL’s death, I was just relieved that this monster will not kill any more innocent civilians.
If you want to celebrate it, then go ahead, just please keep it out of earshot.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 8:05:07am |
re: #293 ralphieboy
I didn’t celebrate OBL’s death, I was just relieved that this monster will not kill any more innocent civilians.
If you want to celebrate it, then go ahead, just please keep it out of earshot.
woot!!
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 8:05:15am |
re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar
There’s plenty of intellectual dishonesty to go around. She, like many in the GOP all too frequently played politics with items that crossed their desk, and they weren’t (or aren’t) above putting their political ambitions ahead of that of country. We’ve seen that with the right wing reactions to the death of OBL, and we saw it with the left wing attacks on GWB through the years - including for initiating a course of action that ultimately led to the mission that killed OBL.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 8:06:19am |
re: #295 lawhawk
Just a Poli being a Poli. But good on her for calling W.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 8:07:03am |
This is probably the best comment I have ever read on HuffPo:
Lam56
83 Fans
13 hours ago (9:40 PM)Sorry, but when I think of the kids on the plane flying out of Washington, the one that hit the Pentagon, the kids who had won a trip to Disneyworld, who must have been so happy and excited as that plane taxied down the runway—-when I think of them and the terror they must have experienced, when I think of the way their young lives ended, the horror of their deaths, the sorrow of their loved ones—then I cannot help but be very happy that the monster who stole their lives from them, and the lives of three thousand other innocent souls, is dead.
Exactly.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 8:09:07am |
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Political Atheist Wed, May 4, 2011 8:09:11am |
re: #280 Killgore Trout
An uncomfortable fact but it’s true…
Ex-CIA Counterterror Chief: ‘Enhanced Interrogation’ Led U.S. to bin Laden
I keep trying to read that, but a Ralph Lauren popup (sans working exit button or working video) keeps getting in the way. So I copy/pasted into word. Reading through now…
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 8:10:29am |
Navy SEALs Earn About $54,000 a Year, Even for Finding Osama Bin Laden
What did the Navy SEALs who cornered Osama bin Laden get for pulling off such a risky mission? Their weekly paychecks.
The estimated maximum salary for a Navy SEAL — with over a dozen years of experience and an E-7 pay grade — is about $54,000, according to an estimate based on data from the Department of Defense.
“Each of these operations is different, but we get the same amount of pay, so it’s fair,” said John Scorza, MC2, under the Naval Special Warfare Command.
That salary level is comparable to the average annual salary for teachers in the U.S., which was $55,350 for the 2009-2010 school year, according to the Digest of Education Statistics.
“Also note that military personnel may have more extensive benefits and on-base housing,” said Lori Taylor, a professor at the Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&M University. “But they work year ‘round while teachers get 2 to 3 months off in the summer.”
Though Navy SEALs are usually more experienced service members, the typical graduate of SEAL qualification training is 19 to 23 years old, said Lt. Cmdr. Fred Kuebler of U.S. Special Operations Command in Tampa, Fla.
I think they deserve a well earned raise.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, May 4, 2011 8:11:34am |
re: #300 NJDhockeyfan
Navy SEALs Earn About $54,000 a Year, Even for Finding Osama Bin Laden
I think they deserve a well earned raise.
If it was about the money they’d be working for Blackwater.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 8:12:36am |
re: #301 wozzablog
If it was about the money they’d be working for Blackwater.
They do it for their country, not money. I still think they are underpaid for what they do.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 8:12:51am |
re: #299 Rightwingconspirator
I keep trying to read that, but a Ralph Lauren popup (sans working exit button or working video) keeps getting in the way. So I copy/pasted into word. Reading through now…
Sorry about that. I run a script blocker to avoid shit like that. I hate it when web designers do crap like that.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 8:14:59am |
Dalai Lama suggests Osama bin Laden’s death was justified
As the leader of Tibetan Buddhism, the 14th Dalai Lama says he practices compassion to such an extent that he tries to avoid swatting mosquitoes “when my mood is good and there is no danger of malaria,” sometimes watching with interest as they swell with his blood.Yet, in an appearance Tuesday at USC, he appeared to suggest that the United States was justified in killing Osama bin Laden.
As a human being, Bin Laden may have deserved compassion and even forgiveness, the Dalai Lama said in answer to a question about the assassination of the Al Qaeda leader. But, he said, “Forgiveness doesn’t mean forget what happened. … If something is serious and it is necessary to take counter-measures, you have to take counter-measures.”
Heh.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, May 4, 2011 8:16:06am |
re: #303 NJDhockeyfan
They do it for their country, not money. I still think they are underpaid for what they do.
UK special forces pay is broadly similar.
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Political Atheist Wed, May 4, 2011 8:16:39am |
re: #300 NJDhockeyfan
Excellent point.
They do get one if they stay in the Navy. As SEAL team man age and grow experienced, yet a tiny bit slower in reflexes and physical capacity, the Navy moves them into instructor positions, sends them to cross train & learn from Delta (this goes both ways). The re signing bonus is said to be up to $100,000. So I’m told by a guy formerly attached to the SEALS back in the day. Sometimes they instead go to Hollywood and teach clueless actors how to handle and use prop guns on set.
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Political Atheist Wed, May 4, 2011 8:17:40am |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
I could really use on of those. Email me a tip? Nic is blue…
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laZardo Wed, May 4, 2011 8:18:07am |
re: #305 NJDhockeyfan
Dalai Lama suggests Osama bin Laden’s death was justified
Heh.
Well, the Buddhists would know what Karma is about. ;)
Or were those the Hindus…
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 8:18:56am |
re: #309 laZardo
Well, the Buddhists would know what Karma is about. ;)
Or were those the Hindus…
It was yo momma!
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 8:19:27am |
I can’t find an Obama/Osama master mix. (where news wonks get the names wrong)
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 8:22:30am |
Roundup of Pakistani media reax. Is it a surprise to anyone here that some are still pushing a “Osama or whoever was really killed in the raid” nonsense?
The gist of most of the response is that Pakistan is in for tough times ahead - both from the US and West, and from the Islamists. It reinforces the fact that the raid that led to OBL’s death exposes quite a bit about the Pakistani political and ideological situation - and very little of it is any good.
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theye1 Wed, May 4, 2011 8:23:18am |
The Pakistani governance system is so incompetent that it is entirely possible that Bin Laden’s presence in Abbotabad was not known to higher authorities.
Besides, houses like the Bin Laden aren’t exactly uncommon we’re talking about a country that the murder of your political or business isn’t exactly uncommon.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 8:24:56am |
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Wed, May 4, 2011 8:26:30am |
re: #315 Killgore Trout
I use no script for firefox.. It will block a lot of site features, videos etc but I use it for general browsing and switch to another browser when I encounter problems.
Or you can simply whitelist those sites (temporarily, even) when you need those features. I love noscript.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 8:27:32am |
This is interesting….
Hizbul Mujahedeen owned Abbottabad house : Canadian media
Hizbul Mujahedeen, a militant group active in Kashmir, owned the USD one million mansion in the scenic town of Abbottabad where Osama bin Laden was killed by US forces, a Canadian newspaper has reported, claiming that Pakistan is trying to hush up the issue of ownership. There are indications emerging that the terror mastermind was sheltered by one of the militant groups that has enjoyed tolerance, if not support, from Pakistani military intelligence services, Globe and Mail reported from Islamabad.
Hizb-ul-Mujahideen is a front group of the Pakistani intelligence agency.
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dragonfire1981 Wed, May 4, 2011 8:29:13am |
I find the whole “release the photos” thing interesting because I guarantee the moment those photos are released (as I believe they will be), the ODS sufferers will be deriding them as fakes and forgeries.
For some people no proof is enough.
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 8:29:26am |
BTW, CBS news interviewed Geller last night in their coverage of OBL’s death, using the lede that she led the opposition on the Ground Zero mosque. She’s demanding the photos be released because she doesn’t trust this until she sees it with her own eyes.
Nowhere in their coverage was the fact that she’s spreading perhaps the most heinous of conspiracy theories about OBL’s death.
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 8:30:35am |
re: #317 Killgore Trout
And if that is confirmed, it’s another damning bit of evidence showing just how thoroughly penetrated the ISI is with Islamists and pro-terror groups that are antithetical to US and Western interests.
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 8:33:16am |
re: #319 lawhawk
BTW, CBS news interviewed Geller last night in their coverage of OBL’s death, using the lede that she led the opposition on the Ground Zero mosque. She’s demanding the photos be released because she doesn’t trust this until she sees it with her own eyes.
Nowhere in their coverage was the fact that she’s spreading perhaps the most heinous of conspiracy theories about OBL’s death.
A Pox upon conspiracy lunatics.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 8:33:53am |
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Political Atheist Wed, May 4, 2011 8:36:35am |
re: #322 Varek Raith
Come on, something happened at Roswell!
Yup sure did. Balsa wood and mylar must be from another galaxy!
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I always thought the best evidence that the government has not concluded space aliens are anywhere nearby let alone among us is the paltry budget NASA gets. Four space shuttles? Hell, if the feds thought aliens were real we would still be building shuttles and much more.
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 8:36:50am |
Random crazy comment from the intertubes:
The Gov’t perpetuates the lie, to keep us all in check – look for STAGFLATION to come on strong now. The window for preparation is so close to being shut, it is not funny. The anarchists, communists, islamo-fascists and illegals are coming together, with the aid of union organization. They will not go down easily, they are thugs, and killers all. When the have-nots have no food in their belly, the carnage will start soon after – there is little time to warn any more. I feel some of you here GET IT, but the vast majority of America has their heads in the sand, and they too will soon become the have-nots, and join forces with the organized killers about to be unleashed upon you. I speak partly from experience from my days in Jamaica, the other part is, I use my brainpower that God gave me – simple stuff really.
I dumpsterdive so you don’t have to.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 8:37:59am |
Marijuana crops planted outside Osama Bin Laden’s compound; farmers growing ganja near terror lair
Holy smoke!
It’s no wonder the locals in Abbottabad didn’t know Osama Bin Laden was living there - they were too busy harvesting their ganja.
Reporters at Bin Laden’s million-dollar hideout discovered small plots of marijuana growing in the deserted lots on the compound’s perimeter.
The dope plants were planted on three sides of the compound, alongside some less sexy crops such as cabbage and potatoes, CNN reported Tuesday.
Despite Abbottabad’s reputation as a military city, the discovery is not surprising.
Pakistan makes about $4 billion a year from drug trafficking - though opium poppy is the drug-runners preferred crop.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 8:38:09am |
Marijuana crops planted outside Osama Bin Laden’s compound; farmers growing ganja near terror lair
Holy smoke!
It’s no wonder the locals in Abbottabad didn’t know Osama Bin Laden was living there - they were too busy harvesting their ganja.
Reporters at Bin Laden’s million-dollar hideout discovered small plots of marijuana growing in the deserted lots on the compound’s perimeter.
The dope plants were planted on three sides of the compound, alongside some less sexy crops such as cabbage and potatoes, CNN reported Tuesday.
Despite Abbottabad’s reputation as a military city, the discovery is not surprising.
Pakistan makes about $4 billion a year from drug trafficking - though opium poppy is the drug-runners preferred crop.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 4, 2011 8:39:06am |
Space is stupidly big.
How long it would take to get to the closest star to Earth.
Slowest: Ion drive propulsion, 81,000 years
Fastest: Gravitational assists, 19,000 years
Fastest (theoretical): Nuclear Pulse Propulsion, 85 years
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 8:39:07am |
re: #324 iceweasel
“The anarchists, communists, islamo-fascists and illegals are coming together, with the aid of union organization. “
Islamists and communists. Still cannot get over that Newt Gingrich conundrum.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 8:39:46am |
re: #322 Varek Raith
Come on, something happened at Roswell!
They found the Star Gate. Therefore, they don’t need more shuttles.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 8:40:04am |
re: #320 lawhawk
And if that is confirmed, it’s another damning bit of evidence showing just how thoroughly penetrated the ISI is with Islamists and pro-terror groups that are antithetical to US and Western interests.
If that ends up being true that could also mean they’ve been hosting Bin Laden since Tora Bora. Pakistan should be on the list of terror supporting nations. I’ve had it with them.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 8:40:39am |
re: #324 iceweasel
Random crazy comment from the intertubes:
I dumpsterdive so you don’t have to.
Where’s that from?
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 8:40:50am |
re: #326 NJDhockeyfan
Marijuana crops planted outside Osama Bin Laden’s compound; farmers growing ganja near terror lair
See, if we legalize marijuana growing in America, it will attract terrorist leaders and they will be living all over Mendocino County!!!
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Stan the Demanded Plan Wed, May 4, 2011 8:41:13am |
Must read Ta-Nehisi
They undermine this country’s social contract, and the “hard work pays” message of my parents. And to that we object.
For if they will not take as legitimate a magna cum laude from their highest institutions, if they will not accept a man who tells black kids to cut off the video games and study, who accedes to their absurd requests one week, and slays their demons the next, who will they accept? Who among us would they ever believe?
[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]
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Four More Tears Wed, May 4, 2011 8:41:33am |
re: #324 iceweasel
Random crazy comment from the intertubes:
I dumpsterdive so you don’t have to.
I’m having Timecube flashbacks.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 8:41:36am |
re: #328 Varek Raith
Space is stupidly big.
How long it would take to get to the closest star to Earth.Slowest: Ion drive propulsion, 81,000 years
Fastest: Gravitational assists, 19,000 years
Fastest (theoretical): Nuclear Pulse Propulsion, 85 years
That’s only if you are trying to travel conventionally. Remember, SpaceTime isn’t quite what we think it is. …
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 8:41:43am |
re: #329 ralphieboy
“The anarchists, communists, islamo-fascists and illegals are coming together, with the aid of union organization. “
Islamists and communists. Still cannot get over that Newt Gingrich conundrum.
“the vast majority of America has their heads in the sand, and they too will soon become the have-nots, and join forces with the organized killers about to be unleashed upon you.”
Oh internet, you always bring the crazy. This guy sounds like his fantasy America is cormac mccarthy’s The Road.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 8:41:50am |
re: #331 Killgore Trout
If that ends up being true that could also mean they’ve been hosting Bin Laden since Tora Bora. Pakistan should be on the list of terror supporting nations. I’ve had it with them.
Dont forget where he’s from, and where 15 of the 19 9/11 attackers are from.
We have a big problem telling friend from foe…
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Renaissance_Man Wed, May 4, 2011 8:41:53am |
re: #319 lawhawk
BTW, CBS news interviewed Geller last night in their coverage of OBL’s death, using the lede that she led the opposition on the Ground Zero mosque. She’s demanding the photos be released because she doesn’t trust this until she sees it with her own eyes.
Nowhere in their coverage was the fact that she’s spreading perhaps the most heinous of conspiracy theories about OBL’s death.
Damn that liberal, state-run media!
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Renaissance_Man Wed, May 4, 2011 8:42:48am |
re: #333 ralphieboy
See, if we legalize marijuana growing in America, it will attract terrorist leaders and they will be living all over Mendocino County!!!
That’d make it easier to find them at least.
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laZardo Wed, May 4, 2011 8:42:56am |
re: #333 ralphieboy
See, if we legalize marijuana growing in America, it will attract terrorist leaders and they will be living all over Mendocino County!!!
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Winny Spencer Wed, May 4, 2011 8:43:34am |
re: #280 Killgore Trout
An uncomfortable fact but it’s true…
Ex-CIA Counterterror Chief: ‘Enhanced Interrogation’ Led U.S. to bin Laden
The truth hurts.
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ProBosniaLiberal Wed, May 4, 2011 8:44:53am |
re: #341 laZardo
Greatest dark humor joke in history right there.
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Lidane Wed, May 4, 2011 8:45:55am |
re: #309 laZardo
Well, the Buddhists would know what Karma is about. ;)
Or were those the Hindus…
Both, since Buddhism is essentially an offshoot of Hinduism.
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 8:46:17am |
re: #326 NJDhockeyfan
Marijuana crops planted outside Osama Bin Laden’s compound; farmers growing ganja near terror lair
I call bullshit. The photos from around there show fairly dry, arid land. You’re not going to grow any decent pot in that kind of climate. This is just tabloid trash reporting and tying marijuana to terrorism…fuck the NY Daily News and their focus on big tittied women.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 8:46:20am |
re: #337 iceweasel
“the vast majority of America has their heads in the sand, and they too will soon become the have-nots, and join forces with the organized killers about to be unleashed upon you.”
Oh internet, you always bring the crazy. This guy sounds like his fantasy America is cormac mccarthy’s The Road.
We either trust individuals to use their free-will or we objectify them into “those who need to be led”.
I think our founding documents make it pretty clear how our form of government views individuals.
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zora Wed, May 4, 2011 8:47:03am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 8:47:47am |
re: #345 darthstar
You can make fun of weed, but don’t bother the big tittied women!!
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Lidane Wed, May 4, 2011 8:48:11am |
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Stan the Demanded Plan Wed, May 4, 2011 8:48:16am |
A Texas high school teacher has been placed on administrative leave following an incident where he allegedly told a 9th grade Muslim girl in his algebra class “I bet that you’re grieving” on Monday following the death of Osama bin Laden.
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com…]
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 8:48:18am |
re: #345 darthstar
I call bullshit. The photos from around there show fairly dry, arid land. You’re not going to grow any decent pot in that kind of climate. This is just tabloid trash reporting and tying marijuana to terrorism…fuck the NY Daily News and their focus on big tittied women.
Hindu Kush does very well in dry nutrient poor soil.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 8:48:32am |
re: #348 Cannadian Club Akbar
You can make fun of weed, but don’t bother the big tittied women!!
IF weed were stoned, it would make fun of itself.
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allegro Wed, May 4, 2011 8:48:37am |
re: #342 Winny Spencer
The truth hurts.
The “truth” you apparently see is the “truth” you want to see. Did you read the article? If so, then you know that there are serious disagreements about the claim by some that torture gained the information that ultimately led to OBL’s death.
I still can’t believe that the U.S. torturing prisoners is even under discussion in this country. It’s barbaric and has not been PROVEN in any way to be effective.
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blueraven Wed, May 4, 2011 8:49:21am |
re: #345 darthstar
I call bullshit. The photos from around there show fairly dry, arid land. You’re not going to grow any decent pot in that kind of climate. This is just tabloid trash reporting and tying marijuana to terrorism…fuck the NY Daily News and their focus on big tittied women.
This was also reported and shown on a CNN report. There was video of the pot plants, right up against the wall and the reporter was interviewing the farmers. You can probably find it on the CNN website.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 8:49:44am |
re: #350 Lidane
Works for me.
Dalai Lama made a statement a few years ago that the terrorists couldn’t be reached thru non-violent means. He said their hearts were not open and therefore the principles of non-violence would not work.
Dalai Lama ain’t all lollipops and unicorns. He’s a smart man.
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Lidane Wed, May 4, 2011 8:50:14am |
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laZardo Wed, May 4, 2011 8:50:18am |
re: #352 Killgore Trout
Hindu Kush does very well in dry nutrient poor soil.
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 8:50:23am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 8:50:29am |
re: #337 iceweasel
“the vast majority of America has their heads in the sand, and they too will soon become the have-nots, and join forces with the organized killers about to be unleashed upon you.”
Oh internet, you always bring the crazy. This guy sounds like his fantasy America is cormac mccarthy’s The Road.
The internet is reaching some sort of resonance cascade event :D
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 8:51:14am |
If they can grow heroin producing poppies, why not pot?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 8:51:17am |
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 8:51:26am |
re: #352 Killgore Trout
Hindu Kush does very well in dry nutrient poor soil.
True, true…and I’ve had good Kush before…but I don’t believe a word the NYDailyNews posts.
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ProBosniaLiberal Wed, May 4, 2011 8:51:42am |
re: #350 Lidane
When you get the Freak Dalai Lama saying its okay to end your ass, you’ve done something very wrong with your life.
ICC prosecutor seeks 3 arrest warrants on Libya
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 8:51:55am |
re: #354 allegro
The “truth” you apparently see is the “truth” you want to see. Did you read the article? If so, then you know that there are serious disagreements about the claim by some that torture gained the information that ultimately led to OBL’s death.
I still can’t believe that the U.S. torturing prisoners is even under discussion in this country. It’s barbaric and has not been PROVEN in any way to be effective.
I can believe it, because I think we’re pretty barbaric and nutty as a country
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 8:52:09am |
re: #355 blueraven
This was also reported and shown on a CNN report. There was video of the pot plants, right up against the wall and the reporter was interviewing the farmers. You can probably find it on the CNN website.
CNN is just tabloid trash reporting and tying marijuana to terrorism…fuck CNN and their focus on big tittied women!
//
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 8:52:19am |
re: #364 ProLifeLiberal
Is The Freak Dalai Lama some sort of Rick James Dalai Lama?
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Lidane Wed, May 4, 2011 8:52:46am |
re: #356 ggt
Dalai Lama made a statement a few years ago that the terrorists couldn’t be reached thru non-violent means. He said their hearts were not open and therefore the principles of non-violence would not work.
Dalai Lama ain’t all lollipops and unicorns. He’s a smart man.
I like the Dalai Lama. The way he explains Buddhism, it makes total sense. I think if I was ever religiously inclined, I’d be a Buddhist.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 8:52:59am |
re: #367 WindUpBird
Is The Freak Dalai Lama some sort of Rick James Dalai Lama?
I’m the Dalai Lama, bitch!!???
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, May 4, 2011 8:52:59am |
I’m beginning to think the Wingnut Rapture will preceed the Nerd Rapture as technology advances further. Someone will create the perfect interactive virtual environment, load it with the wingnut dream state, and then all of them will retreat into it since reality has such a liberal bias.
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ProBosniaLiberal Wed, May 4, 2011 8:53:03am |
re: #364 ProLifeLiberal
When you get the Freaking Dalai Lama saying its okay to end your ass, you’ve done something very wrong with your life.
God Dang my poor typing skills and spaciness. I wish Chrome came with a proofreader.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 8:53:04am |
re: #365 WindUpBird
i mean, that’s also part of our charm, monster truck rallies!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 8:53:30am |
re: #369 Cannadian Club Akbar
UNITY!!!!!!!!
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 8:53:31am |
re: #366 NJDhockeyfan
CNN is just tabloid trash reporting and tying marijuana to terrorism…fuck CNN and their focus on big tittied women!
//
You have a point there…CNN is tabloid trash - which is why they anchor themselves around Wolf (The breathless one) Blitzer.
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 8:53:46am |
re: #360 WindUpBird
The internet is reaching some sort of resonance cascade event :D
The wackos who write these sort of apocalyptic fantasies about Amurka always seem to be salivating over the prospect. Some kind of Mad Max fantasy. They always write about it with such passion you get the idea that they hate their lives and actually long for a post-apocalyptic society.
Needless to say, they also always imagine they will survive and thrive becuz ThEY WUZ PrEpArED!
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 8:53:56am |
re: #368 Lidane
I like the Dalai Lama. The way he explains Buddhism, it makes total sense. I think if I was ever religiously inclined, I’d be a Buddhist.
Dalai Lama is cool. I don’t think much of the way he handled China way back when, but he was a young man then. I’d like to interview him and ask if he’d do things differently now.
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allegro Wed, May 4, 2011 8:54:07am |
re: #368 Lidane
I like the Dalai Lama. The way he explains Buddhism, it makes total sense. I think if I was ever religiously inclined, I’d be a Buddhist.
The Dalai Lama is at the top of my list of people I’d love to have a beer cup ‘o tea with. Everything I’ve seen and read about him makes me like the guy and want to know more.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 8:54:40am |
re: #370 oaktree
You may be on to something
We just need to distract them into thinking they’re doing something
Basically, we need a bunch of fake Pam Gellers, turing tests for guys who think the Fed should be abolished
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, May 4, 2011 8:54:42am |
re: #280 Killgore Trout
An uncomfortable fact but it’s true…
Ex-CIA Counterterror Chief: ‘Enhanced Interrogation’ Led U.S. to bin Laden
Evil remains evil, no matter how you spin it.
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blueraven Wed, May 4, 2011 8:55:19am |
re: #366 NJDhockeyfan
CNN is just tabloid trash reporting and tying marijuana to terrorism…fuck CNN and their focus on big tittied women!
//
Heh…
touche’
I am afraid I dont put much stock in the NY Daily news either, but it seems this is a legitimate story.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 8:55:39am |
re: #375 iceweasel
Apocalyptic fantasies are so much more fun than actually paying your taxes and going to your job at the bucket factory
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 8:56:04am |
Okay, time to go to work…play nice, everyone (and for the record, I don’t hate big tittied women…I dislike newspapers that use them to draw in their regular readers).
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 8:56:38am |
re: #384 darthstar
Okay, time to go to work…play nice, everyone (and for the record, I don’t hate big tittied women…I dislike newspapers that use them to draw in their regular readers).
PAGE 3 RULES!!!
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Renaissance_Man Wed, May 4, 2011 8:56:46am |
re: #377 allegro
The Dalai Lama is at the top of my list of people I’d love to have a
beercup ‘o tea with. Everything I’ve seen and read about him makes me like the guy and want to know more.
I know a guy who was a minor functionary in one of the political parties back in Oz, and he was at a dinner where the Dalai Lama was the guest of honour. When the food was served, the waiter put a giant honking steak in front of him. The local mayor and some other official I forget were seated to either side of the Dalai Lama, and were horrified, and practically arm-wrestled to see who could pull the giant offensive plate of meat away from his Holiness.
The Dalai Lama calmly removed their hands from his plate, picked up his cutlery and cut in. He likes a good steak, he does.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 8:57:02am |
re: #380 wlewisiii
Evil remains evil, no matter how you spin it.
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.
This is Earth and we are human. If we could behave in such a way that we were virtuous in all our dealings, we would no longer be humans on Earth.
In other words, we are not angels. No matter how hard we try, we will never be angels.
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 8:57:02am |
re: #383 WindUpBird
Apocalyptic fantasies are so much more fun than actually paying your taxes and going to your job at the bucket factory
That bucket factory salary goes straight into Gold and seeds and bunker building. Trickle down economics!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 8:57:16am |
Enhanced interrogation sounds like it’s interrogation with a bunch of quicktime movies and CD-G graphics, circa 1998
it’s enhanced! Look, the song lyrics are ON THE INTERROGATION
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Winny Spencer Wed, May 4, 2011 8:57:47am |
re: #377 allegro
The Dalai Lama is at the top of my list of people I’d love to have a
beercup ‘o tea with. Everything I’ve seen and read about him makes me like the guy and want to know more.
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darthstar Wed, May 4, 2011 8:57:55am |
re: #385 Cannadian Club Akbar
PAGE 3 RULES!!!
At least the English do it right. Bare breasts. None of that faux modesty American papers have to use because they’re all afraid of the religious right.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 8:58:01am |
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ProBosniaLiberal Wed, May 4, 2011 8:58:09am |
re: #386 Renaissance_Man
That’s awesome. I honestly don’t see why the Chinese Government likes being a bully to him.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 8:58:21am |
re: #391 darthstar
We do bare breasts LIVE in my town
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 8:58:29am |
Pakistan criticizes US raid on bin Laden
Pakistan criticized the American raid that killed Osama bin Laden as an “unauthorized unilateral action,” laying bare the strains the raid has put on an already rocky alliance.
A day after U.S. commandos killed the world’s most wanted man after a 10-year manhunt, new details emerged Tuesday from Pakistan’s powerful intelligence agency and neighbors of bin Laden that raised more questions about whether some elements within the security forces knew, and perhaps protected, the al-Qaida chief.
Neighbors in the city of Abbottabad, a two-hour drive from the Pakistani capital, sensed something was odd about the house where bin Laden and members of his family lived, even though the terror chief and his family rarely ventured outside and most residents were not aware that foreigners were living there.
One man, Sher Mohammed Khan, said his sister went to the house to administer a polio vaccination as part of a government-backed drive. When she remarked on all the expensive SUVs inside the compound, a man immediately asked her to leave, but not before taking the vaccine to apparently administer to the children inside.
“People were skeptical in this neighborhood about this place and these guys,” said Mashood Khan, a 45-year-old farmer. “They used to gossip, say they were smugglers or drug dealers. People would complain that even with such a big house they didn’t invite the poor or distribute charity.’
But not everyone was suspicious.
Khurshid Bibi, in her 70s, said one man living in the compound had given her a lift to the market in the rain. She said her grandchildren played with the kids in the house and the people in the compound gave them rabbits as a gift.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 8:58:46am |
re: #393 ProLifeLiberal
That’s awesome. I honestly don’t see why the Chinese Government likes being a bully to him.
they’re just sore because Axl Rose gave them democracy
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laZardo Wed, May 4, 2011 8:58:59am |
re: #389 WindUpBird
Enhanced interrogation sounds like it’s interrogation with a bunch of quicktime movies and CD-G graphics, circa 1998
it’s enhanced! Look, the song lyrics are ON THE INTERROGATION
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Gus Wed, May 4, 2011 8:59:10am |
re: #280 Killgore Trout
An uncomfortable fact but it’s true…
Ex-CIA Counterterror Chief: ‘Enhanced Interrogation’ Led U.S. to bin Laden
I think the assessment that this is an “uncomfortable fact” is rather subjective.
The truth of the matter is that execution of bin Laden was the result a multi-dimensional intelligence operation. The generalization that “without enhanced interrogation” we would not have found bin Laden is difficult to gauge and largely made with anecdotal (i.e. opinions) rather than empirical evidence.
I would agree on the assessment that without enhanced interrogation bin Laden may or may not have been located. However, the location of bin Laden could not have been accomplished utilizing enhanced interrogation alone.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 8:59:49am |
re: #393 ProLifeLiberal
That’s awesome. I honestly don’t see why the Chinese Government likes being a bully to him.
Because they think he is evil and barbaric. The class structure in Tibet was rather brutal. China (besides wanting the land and Uranium deposits) wanted to free the people.
Chinese thinking . .
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blueraven Wed, May 4, 2011 9:00:45am |
re: #380 wlewisiii
Evil remains evil, no matter how you spin it.
From the artcile
Rodriguez agrees that other events played a role in developing the intelligence on bin Laden’s whereabouts. And he says that despite widespread focus on KSM, al-Libbi’s information was the most important. “Both KSM and al-Libbi were held at CIA black sites and subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques,” Rodriguez says. “Abu Faraj was not waterboarded, but his information on the courier was key.”
Read more: [Link: swampland.time.com…]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, May 4, 2011 9:01:07am |
Alrighty, I must run. See ya’ll tomorrow.:)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, May 4, 2011 9:01:17am |
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Four More Tears Wed, May 4, 2011 9:02:18am |
re: #395 NJDhockeyfan
We need to pour Pakistan a tall glass of Shut the Fuck Up.
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laZardo Wed, May 4, 2011 9:02:26am |
re: #402 WindUpBird
nooo
I’m wishing that away with some classic Atari
[Video]
Now you know what one minute of “enhanced” interrogation feels like. ;)
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 4, 2011 9:02:51am |
re: #334 Stanley Sea
Conservatives free of ideological blinders should be pleased to be able to hold up Obama as an example of how success in America is independent of race or social origin, and see it as a challenge to minorities to succeed on their own efforts.
But conservatives with half a brain seem to be in the minority themselves these days.
Perhaps they need a form of affirmative action within the GOP…
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 9:04:08am |
The wingnuts are very frothy and foamy today. Over at Red State, one asshat spins the embarassment thus:
Now, who knows what the truth of this all is….but Obama should be embarrassed that it’s even remotely believable.
That would be the crazed pammy theory that there was a military coup to kill Osama. Yeah, it’s Obama that should be ashamed about that. /
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 9:04:14am |
re: #405 ralphieboy
Conservatives free of ideological blinders should be pleased to be able to hold up Obama as an example of how success in America is independent of race or social origin, and see it as a challenge to minorities to succeed on their own efforts.
But conservatives with half a brain seem to be in the minority themselves these days.
Perhaps they need a form of affirmative action within the GOP…
They need to kick-out the John Birchers, the neo-nazi’s and the theocrats.
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Randy W. Weeks Wed, May 4, 2011 9:04:57am |
re: #280 Killgore Trout
An uncomfortable fact but it’s true…
Ex-CIA Counterterror Chief: ‘Enhanced Interrogation’ Led U.S. to bin Laden
“Both KSM and al Libbi were held at CIA black sites and subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques,” Rodriguez says. “Abu Faraj was not waterboarded, but his information on the courier was key.”
The lovely congressman Peter King seems to be mistaken.
This whole rush by some to declare that torture works and let’s get going with it (not saying that you’re doing this, Kilgore) is really disturbing to me.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 9:05:20am |
re: #398 Gus 802
I think the assessment that this is an “uncomfortable fact” is rather subjective.
The truth of the matter is that execution of bin Laden was the result a multi-dimensional intelligence operation. The generalization that “without enhanced interrogation” we would not have found bin Laden is difficult to gauge and largely made with anecdotal (i.e. opinions) rather than empirical evidence.
I would agree on the assessment that without enhanced interrogation bin Laden may or may not have been located. However, the location of bin Laden could not have been accomplished utilizing enhanced interrogation alone.
I agree that it’s unreasonable to claim that without enhanced interrogation we wouldn’t have found bin laden. However in this case there’s a very clear lineage from information gleaned from waterboarding KSM to last week’s raid. I think that’s pretty established. Everything else is hypothetical.
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blueraven Wed, May 4, 2011 9:07:43am |
re: #410 Killgore Trout
I agree that it’s unreasonable to claim that without enhanced interrogation we wouldn’t have found bin laden. However in this case there’s a very clear lineage from information gleaned from waterboarding KSM to last week’s raid. I think that’s pretty established. Everything else is hypothetical.
I’m sorry, I dont think that is clear at all. At the very least it is all muddled as far as I can see.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 9:09:25am |
re: #409 LoneStarSpur
The lovely congressman Peter King seems to be mistaken.
This whole rush by some to declare that torture works and let’s get going with it (not saying that you’re doing this, Kilgore) is really disturbing to me.
I certainly won’t throw my lot in with King and the wingnuts but a lot of people are twisting themselves in knots trying to avoid the fact that waterboarding played a role in Bin Laden’s capture. No matter how you feel about the issue I think it’s important to accept that.
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Lidane Wed, May 4, 2011 9:10:16am |
re: #411 blueraven
I’m sorry, I dont think that is clear at all. At the very least it is all muddled as far as I can see.
That’s my take on it. I don’t think there’s a clear line in the sand at all.
Even beyond that, I’d like to think that we got OBL without having to depend on torture to do it. I want us to be better than that. Of course, it’s a moot point now, since Bin Laden is dead. I just don’t feel comfortable saying that torture works because it got us Osama.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 9:10:51am |
Pakistani who owned bin Laden’s final hideaway lived in compound, aided al-Qaida chief
The Pakistani who owned the compound that sheltered Osama bin Laden in his final years said he was buying the property for “an uncle,” according to the doctor who sold the land in 2005.
The man was identified in property records as Mohammad Arshad; neighbors said one of two Pakistani men living in the house went by the name Arshad Khan. The two names apparently refer to the same man and both names may be fake. But one thing is clear — bin Laden relied on a small, trusted inner circle as lifelines to the outside who provided for his daily needs such as food and medicine and kept his location secret. And it appears they did not betray him.
Among those in that inner circle were Arshad and his brother. Arshad is suspected as the courier who ultimately led the Americans to bin Laden, unwittingly, after years of painstaking tracking. American officials said the courier and his brother were killed in the American commando raid Monday in the northwestern Pakistani town of Abbottabad.
The true identities of the two confidants and their exact links to other high ranking al-Qaida figures remain one of the biggest mysteries surrounding bin Laden. But more details about one of the key aides to bin Laden emerged Wednesday.
Qazi Mahfooz Ul Haq, a doctor, told The Associated Press on Wednesday that he sold a plot of land to Arshad in 2005. He said the buyer was a sturdily built man who had a tuft of hair under his lower lip. He spoke with an accent that sounded like it was from Waziristan, a tribal region close to Afghanistan that is home to many al-Qaida operatives.
Neighbors identified Arshad Khan as one of two Pakistani men living in the house where bin Laden hid for up to six years.
Property records obtained by The Associated Press show Mohammad Arshad bought adjoining plots in four stages between 2004 and 2005 for $48,000.
“He was a very simple, modest, humble type of man” who was “very interested” in buying the land for “an uncle,” the doctor said.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 9:11:07am |
re: #411 blueraven
I’m sorry, I dont think that is clear at all. At the very least it is all muddled as far as I can see.
It was the alias of the courier was the first clue. Given up by KSM after waterboarding in a CIA blacksite in Poland.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 9:11:43am |
re: #413 Lidane
That’s my take on it. I don’t think there’s a clear line in the sand at all.
Even beyond that, I’d like to think that we got OBL without having to depend on torture to do it. I want us to be better than that. Of course, it’s a moot point now, since Bin Laden is dead. I just don’t feel comfortable saying that torture works because it got us Osama.
It is one of many tools in the toolbox. When we are dealing with people such as Bin Ladin it is stupid to discount a tool just because we think it is ugly or morally wrong. We need to all of the tools, not just one or two.
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Lidane Wed, May 4, 2011 9:16:11am |
re: #416 ggt
It is one of many tools in the toolbox. When we are dealing with people such as Bin Ladin it is stupid to discount a tool just because we think it is ugly or morally wrong. We need to all of the tools, not just one or two.
Call it a personal problem. I hate the idea that we’re actively torturing prisoners, even if they’re terrorist assholes. I want us to be the better people.
But, as I said, this is a moot point. Bin Laden is dead. I just don’t want us to legitimize torture as a valid tool for anything, because we then legitimize it for others to use against us.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 9:17:19am |
re: #417 Lidane
Call it a personal problem. I hate the idea that we’re actively torturing prisoners, even if they’re terrorist assholes. I want us to be the better people.
But, as I said, this is a moot point. Bin Laden is dead. I just don’t want us to legitimize torture as a valid tool for anything, because we then legitimize it for others to use against us.
They’ll use it against us anyway. The difference is that it is the ONLY tool they use.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, May 4, 2011 9:18:34am |
re: #415 Killgore Trout
It was the alias of the courier was the first clue. Given up by KSM after waterboarding in a CIA blacksite in Poland.
Why is that, if true, acceptable when we executed Japanese soldiers after WWII for water-boarding US POWs? There was utterly absolutely no way in eternity we would never ever ever find OBL otherwise?
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 9:22:04am |
re: #419 wlewisiii
Why is that, if true, acceptable when we executed Japanese soldiers after WWII for water-boarding US POWs? There was utterly absolutely no way in eternity we would never ever ever find OBL otherwise?
It’s a trade-off. How many more innocent lives will we risk to be morally right?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 9:22:05am |
Man who tweeted Bin Laden raid gets worldwide attention
A computer programmer in Pakistan is the focus of worldwide attention after he unknowingly tweeted live updates of the raid on Osama Bin Laden’s hideout.
Sohaib Athar, or better known as @ReallyVirtual, has found himself with more than 100,000 followers on Twitter.
Athar was woken up Monday morning by helicopters. He tweeted about the noise, and then like any good tweeter, he kept sending messages as the noise turned into gunfire and explosions.
“I was actually working, and I was getting irritated by the noise it was making,” he said. “After confirming that it was not a bomb but a helicopter, I logged out for a few hours, and then I came back, and I heard about Osama Bin Laden.”
Athar’s first reaction was another tweet saying, “Uh-oh, now I’m the guy who live-blogged the Osama raid without knowing it.”
Athar says he has no plans to capitalize on his fame.
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Lidane Wed, May 4, 2011 9:22:13am |
re: #418 ggt
They’ll use it against us anyway. The difference is that it is the ONLY tool they use.
Like I said, this is a personal issue. I just don’t like it.
I’m enough of a realist to admit that it happens. It’s just not something I’m personally comfortable with.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 9:22:38am |
re: #419 wlewisiii
There was utterly absolutely no way in eternity we would never ever ever find OBL otherwise?
I never said that.
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blueraven Wed, May 4, 2011 9:23:28am |
re: #415 Killgore Trout
It was the alias of the courier was the first clue. Given up by KSM after waterboarding in a CIA blacksite in Poland.
Weeks or months after…Not during or immediately after. So other techniques other than waterboarding could have been the key.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 9:24:00am |
re: #422 Lidane
Like I said, this is a personal issue. I just don’t like it.
I’m enough of a realist to admit that it happens. It’s just not something I’m personally comfortable with.
Which is why you and I would never be hired by the CIA. I am satisfied to let them do their jobs and not play “arm-chair moral authority”.
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Lidane Wed, May 4, 2011 9:26:00am |
re: #426 ggt
Which is why you and I would never be hired by the CIA. I am satisfied to let them do their jobs and not play “arm-chair moral authority”.
Oh, sure. I’m perfectly fine with someone else making that decision, because I don’t think I ever could.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, May 4, 2011 9:26:05am |
re: #423 Killgore Trout
I never said that.
Never said you did - it was part of the first question. Why is something we killed people for doing suddenly ok for us? Perhaps that?
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 9:26:11am |
re: #425 blueraven
Weeks or months after…Not during or immediately after. So other techniques other than waterboarding could have been the key.
You should read the article at #280 about the misconceptions about the purpose of waterboarding.
I’m not denying the possibility that other methods could have eventually worked but that’s hypothetical.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 9:27:34am |
re: #428 wlewisiii
Never said you did - it was part of the first question. Why is something we killed people for doing suddenly ok for us? Perhaps that?
Ah, ok. I’m not arguing the morality of waterboarding. I’m personally not too bothered by it in the KSM case but I understand that other people are.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, May 4, 2011 9:27:37am |
re: #427 Lidane
Oh, sure. I’m perfectly fine with someone else making that decision, because I don’t think I ever could.
I think it is strange that we can give certain men a “license to kill”, but not a “license to torture.”
Seems killing is the ultimate moral bad thing.
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 9:28:17am |
re: #417 Lidane
Call it a personal problem. I hate the idea that we’re actively torturing prisoners, even if they’re terrorist assholes. I want us to be the better people.
But, as I said, this is a moot point. Bin Laden is dead. I just don’t want us to legitimize torture as a valid tool for anything, because we then legitimize it for others to use against us.
Your points are worthy and I applaud them.
However, there are some people/groups/nations that have and will continue to use torture at the drop of a hat - regardless of our actions.
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 9:31:45am |
re: #432 Ericus58
Your points are worthy and I applaud them.
However, there are some people/groups/nations that have and will continue to use torture at the drop of a hat - regardless of our actions.
We’re better than that, and better than them. Or should be.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 9:32:30am |
Wait until Glenn Beck gets a whiff of this….
Soros sells gold, silver investments: report
George Soros’s Soros Fund Management, one of the biggest hedge-fund firms in the world, sold much of its gold and silver investments over the past month because there’s less chance of deflation, The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday.
The move is a sign that precious metals may be losing some of their appeal with top investors after a big rally in recent years.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 9:33:57am |
Far Left Not Cheering Death of bin Laden: ‘This Was One Killer Killing Another’
The death of arch-villain Osama bin Laden was not celebrated as good news everywhere. On the far-left Pacifica Radio (which takes in about $1.5 million per year in federal tax money from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting), one so-called journalist appearing on the Democracy Now program fretted over how celebrations of bin Laden’s demise were “disgusting” and “idiotic,” while a second guest sneered that this was “not justice” but a case of “one killer [the United States] killing another.”
…The Nation’s Jeremy Scahill showed up first to complain to host Amy Goodman: “I found it quite disgusting to see people chanting, like it was some sort of sporting event, outside of the White House. I think it was idiotic.” Scahill later fretted that President Obama was following too closely in the footsteps of his predecessor: “President Obama has really continued and doubled down on the Bush administration policy of targeted assassination leading the way in terms of America’s response to al-Qaeda and to people it designates as so-called terrorists.”
…A few minutes later, as MRC’s Tim Graham noted yesterday on our NewsBusters’ blog, Allan Nairn (billed as an “investigative journalist”) was even harsher on the United States. “People cheer because they thought they saw justice, but this was not justice,” Nairn scolded. “This was one killer killing another, a big killer, the United States government, killing another, someone who’s actually a smaller one, bin Laden.”
The radical Nairn went on to fault the American public for not rebelling against “repressive” rulers:
“Egyptians, Tunisians are doing their part. They’ve risen up against the repression they face. I think we need an American uprising, if we’re to put a stop to this kind of killing of innocent people.”
Progressive!
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 9:34:11am |
This wins the “Most Nauseating, Buzz-Harshing, Self-Righteous, Pompous, Dainty Tsk-Tsking of People’s Happiness that Osama is Gone”
Ooh, ooh, you’re such BAAAAD people!
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 9:36:25am |
re: #434 iceweasel
We’re better than that, and better than them. Or should be.
And I’m sure that you as well as me feel that we are, regardless of our stumbles and faults.
We’ll never have perfections in an imperfect world. But at least there is accountability within our systems of government and societies.
And on a personal note, sure good to read how well you and Jimmah are doing.
And Fluffy I hope ;)
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Kragar Wed, May 4, 2011 9:36:50am |
re: #437 Alouette
This wins the “Most Nauseating, Buzz-Harshing, Self-Righteous, Pompous, Dainty Tsk-Tsking of People’s Happiness that Osama is Gone”
Ooh, ooh, you’re such BAAAD people!
A simple “Thank you” will be just fine.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 9:37:12am |
re: #437 Alouette
This wins the “Most Nauseating, Buzz-Harshing, Self-Righteous, Pompous, Dainty Tsk-Tsking of People’s Happiness that Osama is Gone”
Ooh, ooh, you’re such BAAAD people!
Lest we forget, bin Laden too was a human being, born helpless like the rest of us, coddled by his mother, traumatized by the sudden death of his father when he was a boy of ten. Many have described him as considerate, gentle, and generous. Though wealthy, he lived modestly, sleeping with his men on the floor.
I think I’m gonna puke.
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 9:38:30am |
re: #437 Alouette
This wins the “Most Nauseating, Buzz-Harshing, Self-Righteous, Pompous, Dainty Tsk-Tsking of People’s Happiness that Osama is Gone”
Ooh, ooh, you’re such BAAAD people!
Disgusting article. Stupid writer.
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ProBosniaLiberal Wed, May 4, 2011 9:39:03am |
The Qaddafiniks are being pushed back no the Misrata front. The rockets are now only getting to Ghiran, which is 6 kilometers from the center of Misrata.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 9:39:15am |
re: #437 Alouette
This wins the “Most Nauseating, Buzz-Harshing, Self-Righteous, Pompous, Dainty Tsk-Tsking of People’s Happiness that Osama is Gone”
Ooh, ooh, you’re such BAAAD people!
From the article…
Justice has been done, according to President Obama, a former professor of law and an unusually reflective man, from whom one might have expected a more thoughtful conception of justice. But he is in full swing as commander-in-chief of the largest military-industrial complex the world has ever known, and about to run for re-election. His words were over-determined, written into the script before he took the stage.This morning, upon hearing that U.S. forces had killed bin Laden, my twelve-year-old daughter said, “Oh, so now they will want to come and kill more of us.”
Heh. I offended a lot of our lefty lizards when I mentioned the naive and stupid foriegn policy ideas common among the progressive base. This is the kind of stuff I was talking about.
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 9:39:16am |
re: #323 Rightwingconspirator
Eh… that’s because we’ve been spending tens of billions of dollars building a fleet of F-302s and Daedalus class starships. /
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 4, 2011 9:39:41am |
re: #416 ggt
It is one of many tools in the toolbox. When we are dealing with people such as Bin Ladin it is stupid to discount a tool just because we think it is ugly or morally wrong. We need to all of the tools, not just one or two.
If we use that particular “tool” then we begin the process of a steady slide off of our moral high ground and thus loosing the purpose of fighting.
America needs to make sure we don’t become Tautological Templars and refraining from mistreating prisoners is a big part of that.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 4, 2011 9:40:29am |
re: #420 ggt
It’s a trade-off. How many more innocent lives will we risk to be morally right?
How many “lives” do we “save” if in the process of defeating the Taliban we become no better than they are morally?
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 9:41:14am |
re: #441 Ericus58
Disgusting article. Stupid writer.
Take a scroll through the comments too. Lot’s of crap about colonialism, American Empire, etc.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 9:42:49am |
re: #447 Killgore Trout
Take a scroll through the comments too. Lot’s of crap about colonialism, American Empire, etc.
Reading the comments at HuffPo is like reading the comments at Yahoo. Actually worse, because HuffPo supposedly has “moderators.”
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 9:43:32am |
re: #162 WindUpBird
Bush is DONE
he probably never wants to see a camera again as long as he lives, hah
I realized how much the press was pissing him off when his dog bit a reporter. Dogs get these things. He could tell how much these people were bugging Bush.
All my many issues with GWB to one side, he put in eight years and they were pretty crazy years. It’s going to be some time, if ever, before he wants to go running around doing this sort of thing again.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 9:43:38am |
re: #447 Killgore Trout
Take a scroll through the comments too. Lot’s of crap about colonialism, American Empire, etc.
They get worse on threads about Israel.
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thatthatisis Wed, May 4, 2011 9:44:17am |
re: #443 Killgore Trout
“common among the progressive base”?? I don’t think this view is common at all. The progressive base can be gauged by looking at sites like daily kos. You’ll find a couple of people saying this, but the vast majority was very happy about the outcome. Another gauge of the progressive base is checking out the Daily Show, and Colbert. They can hardly contain their glee.
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spocomptonite Wed, May 4, 2011 9:45:41am |
re: #38 WindUpBird
Dude, I’m from SEATTLE
Fish is like my primary protein ^_^ I ask for smoked salmon for Christmas, my parents literally MAIL ME FISH
it’s a region thing, I’ve been eating fish since I can remember eating anything
One time as a kid my family had to live in South Dakota for a few years, and then we triumphantly returned to the PNW by moving to the Tacoma Aroma. Our first day there, we went to Point Defiance park. In the parking lot, a guy asked if we liked salmon. I was all, YES I AM IN WITHDRAWAL HERE. My mom was a bit calmer but also couldn’t resist. Turns out he was a fisherman from the Puyallup tribe. So the guy opened his trunk, and it was filled to the top with ice cubes. Within the ice were the biggest king salmon we have still ever seen, 10 years later. He picked one up, both hands required, and says, “Hmm. Feels like 20 pounds. How about $20?”
It was more than 20 pounds, and took 4 people three days to eat it all. To this day, the best fish we ever had, and for the duration of our stay in Tacoma, we looked but never saw Trunk-full-of-fish guy again.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 9:46:34am |
re: #170 iceweasel
Pageworthy, imo.
Yeah, that’s cool.
Also, what I’ve always said—what possible purpose could it have served if Bush had flipped out on the spot?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 9:47:13am |
re: #441 Ericus58
Disgusting article. Stupid writer.
Here’s another one:
The Psychology of Revenge: Why We Should Stop Celebrating Osama Bin Laden’s Death
…”Celebrating” the killing of any member of our species—for example, by chanting USA! USA! and singing The Star Spangled Banner outside the White House or jubilantly demonstrating in the streets—is a violation of human dignity. Regardless of the perceived degree of “good” or “evil” in any of us, we are all, each of us, human. To celebrate the killing of a life, any life, is a failure to honor life’s inherent sanctity.
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Winny Spencer Wed, May 4, 2011 9:47:13am |
re: #451 thatthatisis
“common among the progressive base”?? I don’t think this view is common at all. The progressive base can be gauged by looking at sites like daily kos. You’ll find a couple of people saying this, but the vast majority was very happy about the outcome. Another gauge of the progressive base is checking out the Daily Show, and Colbert. They can hardly contain their glee.
I won’t look, but I would estimate that a clear majority concur with the sentiments expressed in the article. That is usually the case on DailyKos and HuffPoo.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 9:47:29am |
re: #180 Cannadian Club Akbar
Didn’t Michael Moore say Bush had the book upside down while reading?
Moore’s a little vindictive about people he don’t like.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 9:47:31am |
re: #451 thatthatisis
“common among the progressive base”?? I don’t think this view is common at all. The progressive base can be gauged by looking at sites like daily kos. You’ll find a couple of people saying this, but the vast majority was very happy about the outcome. Another gauge of the progressive base is checking out the Daily Show, and Colbert. They can hardly contain their glee.
I live in Portland and work in the arts. I’m pretty well acquainted with what lefties think.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 9:48:11am |
re: #441 Ericus58
Disgusting article. Stupid writer.
Here’s another one:
The Psychology of Revenge: Why We Should Stop Celebrating Osama Bin Laden’s Death
…”Celebrating” the killing of any member of our species—for example, by chanting USA! USA! and singing The Star Spangled Banner outside the White House or jubilantly demonstrating in the streets—is a violation of human dignity. Regardless of the perceived degree of “good” or “evil” in any of us, we are all, each of us, human. To celebrate the killing of a life, any life, is a failure to honor life’s inherent sanctity.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 9:48:17am |
re: #456 SanFranciscoZionist
Moore’s a little vindictive about people he don’t like.
Moore’s an idiot.
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Kragar Wed, May 4, 2011 9:48:27am |
Look, when the Dalai Lama says the guy got what he deserved, I’m not sweating it.
Dalai Lama suggests Osama bin Laden’s death was justified
As a human being, Bin Laden may have deserved compassion and even forgiveness, the Dalai Lama said in answer to a question about the assassination of the Al Qaeda leader. But, he said, “Forgiveness doesn’t mean forget what happened. … If something is serious and it is necessary to take counter-measures, you have to take counter-measures.”
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Winny Spencer Wed, May 4, 2011 9:48:48am |
re: #454 NJDhockeyfan
Here’s another one:
The Psychology of Revenge: Why We Should Stop Celebrating Osama Bin Laden’s Death
“honoring life’s inherent sanctity” by being professional terrorist apologists.
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thatthatisis Wed, May 4, 2011 9:49:17am |
re: #457 Killgore Trout
That’s like saying I live in DC, I know what politicians think. Or, I live in Florida, I know what seniors think.
Anecdote is not data.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 9:49:52am |
re: #461 Winny Spencer
“honoring life’s inherent sanctity” by being professional terrorist apologists.
From the comments:
mindofsound
1 hour ago (11:39 AM)
I know Bin Laden was the founder and figurehead of Al-Qaeda, but I still haven’t seen/heard 1 shred of evidence that he had anything to do with the planning or execution of 9/11. It’s always just been presumed. I don’t defend terrorism, but I’m just trying to be rational and adequately skeptical about Bin Laden’s responsibility for 9/11 as it relates to popular jubilance over his murder.
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blueraven Wed, May 4, 2011 9:50:22am |
re: #443 Killgore Trout
From the article…
Heh. I offended a lot of our lefty lizards when I mentioned the naive and stupid foriegn policy ideas common among the progressive base. This is the kind of stuff I was talking about.
I am a “lefty” and I am offended by this idiot. I think this is pretty far out there.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 9:50:25am |
re: #185 Gus 802
He did team up with Clinton for Haiti.
I think we’ll see him do stuff like that again—things that appeal to him—and we might see him find a cause of his own yet—but I think there are real limits to what Bush feels like doing right now.
That’s fair.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 9:51:04am |
re: #458 NJDhockeyfan
Here’s another one:
The Psychology of Revenge: Why We Should Stop Celebrating Osama Bin Laden’s Death
The dainty creature that wrote this: Writer, education futurist, specialist in transformational change
WTF??
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brennant Wed, May 4, 2011 9:51:33am |
re: #452 spocomptonite
It was more than 20 pounds, and took 4 people three days to eat it all. To this day, the best fish we ever had, and for the duration of our stay in Tacoma, we looked but never saw Trunk-full-of-fish guy again.
You have to go out toward Hood Canal to find them. Salmon, crab, oysters etc. They are around…
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 4, 2011 9:51:34am |
re: #307 Rightwingconspirator
He’s hit the ball out of the park…
Joe Biden opens his mouth about US Navy SEALs
[Link: blogs.telegraph.co.uk…]
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Kragar Wed, May 4, 2011 9:51:43am |
re: #466 Alouette
The dainty creature that wrote this: Writer, education futurist, specialist in transformational change
WTF??
He left off douchebag.
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spocomptonite Wed, May 4, 2011 9:51:46am |
re: #436 NJDhockeyfan
To be fair, I’m all for bin Laden being killed, but I too find it a bit inappropriate to be partying in the streets about it. Someone just died, and no matter how evil you/I/we think he is, we shouldn’t celebrate it. It just reminds me of the people who danced in the street on 9/11 because they thought we were evil. And we’re not them. And we shouldn’t act like them.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 9:51:49am |
re: #204 darthstar
State funeral? I’d be offended by the honors. I think a shroud, some scrap metal for weight, and a plop into the sea was fine.
Well, we could have had him lie in state at the National Cathedral. Then, EVERYONE would have been upset.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 9:53:20am |
re: #470 spocomptonite
To be fair, I’m all for bin Laden being killed, but I too find it a bit inappropriate to be partying in the streets about it. Someone just died, and no matter how evil you/I/we think he is, we shouldn’t celebrate it. It just reminds me of the people who danced in the street on 9/11 because they thought we were evil. And we’re not them. And we shouldn’t act like them.
I will dance in the streets for a week and have a few shots dedicated to his death this weekend. The evil bastard is gone and I love it.
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 9:53:30am |
re: #447 Killgore Trout
Take a scroll through the comments too. Lot’s of crap about colonialism, American Empire, etc.
Just did - what a pile of stupid, a hive of idiocy.
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jamesfirecat Wed, May 4, 2011 9:54:11am |
re: #470 spocomptonite
To be fair, I’m all for bin Laden being killed, but I too find it a bit inappropriate to be partying in the streets about it. Someone just died, and no matter how evil you/I/we think he is, we shouldn’t celebrate it. It just reminds me of the people who danced in the street on 9/11 because they thought we were evil. And we’re not them. And we shouldn’t act like them.
To be fair there’s a difference between celebrating the murder of civilians and celebrating the murder of an enemy leader who has taken up arms against you, even if it was done via a sneak attack.
There is a lot of difference in fact.
So to try and draw a direct comparison between one and the other is a grave mistake in my ipnion.
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Obdicut Wed, May 4, 2011 9:55:12am |
re: #280 Killgore Trout
An uncomfortable fact but it’s true…
Ex-CIA Counterterror Chief: ‘Enhanced Interrogation’ Led U.S. to bin Laden
Or it’s not, as that article says.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 9:55:49am |
re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 9:56:16am |
re: #454 NJDhockeyfan
Here’s another one:
The Psychology of Revenge: Why We Should Stop Celebrating Osama Bin Laden’s Death
from the article beginning:
“I have modified this post slightly to respond to and incorporate feedback from comments received to the original post. Many thanks to all who are contributing to the conversation. —Pamela”
I can only imagine what was the original….. gesh.
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 9:58:32am |
re: #466 Alouette
The dainty creature that wrote this: Writer, education futurist, specialist in transformational change
WTF??
HAHAHAHA
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 10:00:38am |
re: #470 spocomptonite
To be fair, I’m all for bin Laden being killed, but I too find it a bit inappropriate to be partying in the streets about it. Someone just died, and no matter how evil you/I/we think he is, we shouldn’t celebrate it. It just reminds me of the people who danced in the street on 9/11 because they thought we were evil. And we’re not them. And we shouldn’t act like them.
oh fer cripes sake….
Let’s not celebrate Justice being served….
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Spocomptonite Wed, May 4, 2011 10:01:02am |
re: #474 jamesfirecat
To be fair there’s a difference between celebrating the murder of civilians and celebrating the murder of an enemy leader who has taken up arms against you, even if it was done via a sneak attack.
There is a lot of difference in fact.
So to try and draw a direct comparison between one and the other is a grave mistake in my ipnion.
This is true, the difference that is.
However, just to me, it still feels inappropriate, and it still won’t be anything I can condone. I’ll save my exuberant, shot-taking, street dancing, flag-waving celebrating for when our troops come home and we’re out of Afghanistan and/or Iraq. But not for someone dying.
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Obdicut Wed, May 4, 2011 10:02:15am |
re: #480 Spocomptonite
Do you really feel it’s behavior so terrible you need to tut-tut about it?
And why are you putting the people who are celebrating the end of Bin Laden in terms of flag-waving, shot-taking, street-dancing? Most people aren’t anywhere near that.
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 10:02:48am |
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Kragar Wed, May 4, 2011 10:03:27am |
re: #477 Ericus58
from the article beginning:
“I have modified this post slightly to respond to and incorporate feedback from comments received to the original post. Many thanks to all who are contributing to the conversation. —Pamela”I can only imagine what was the original… gesh.
“I’m writing this thru a wall of tears”
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 10:04:02am |
re: #483 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
“I’m writing this thru a wall of tears”
All you talkbackers and commenters are such mean old poopyheads!
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Four More Tears Wed, May 4, 2011 10:04:16am |
There’s some speculation out there that Osama’s shooting wasn’t in combat but more of an execution style. I’m cool with that.
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 10:04:28am |
re: #483 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
“I’m writing this thru a wall of tears”
*wipes at coke spewed on screen*
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 10:04:35am |
re: #300 NJDhockeyfan
Navy SEALs Earn About $54,000 a Year, Even for Finding Osama Bin Laden
I think they deserve a well earned raise.
I certainly wouldn’t mind, but I do think these guys will be extensively rewarded within the profession.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 10:05:22am |
re: #303 NJDhockeyfan
They do it for their country, not money. I still think they are underpaid for what they do.
They are. OTOH, any enlisted man or woman puts his or her life on the line for a lot less.
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Kragar Wed, May 4, 2011 10:05:28am |
re: #486 Ericus58
*wipes at coke spewed on screen*
I made a type at first so it was almost “wall of teats”
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allegro Wed, May 4, 2011 10:05:32am |
I have not and will not condemn anyone celebrating the death of bin Laden or his fellows in the compound because I understand why they want to. Nor will I condemn anyone who feels that such a celebration over any deaths, regardless of how evil those killed may have been, is unsavory because I understand that as well. It doesn’t make anyone “stupid” or “idiots” - it just makes them different in their feelings about the issue. There’s room for different.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 4, 2011 10:06:26am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 4, 2011 10:06:59am |
re: #485 JasonA
There’s some speculation out there that Osama’s shooting wasn’t in combat but more of an execution style. I’m cool with that.
I’m not terribly bothered by that either.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 10:07:11am |
re: #326 NJDhockeyfan
Marijuana crops planted outside Osama Bin Laden’s compound; farmers growing ganja near terror lair
Is pot illegal in Pakistan?
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Kragar Wed, May 4, 2011 10:07:33am |
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, May 4, 2011 10:07:53am |
re: #473 Ericus58
Just did - what a pile of stupid, a hive of idiocy.
So it’s the Mos Eisley of intellectualism?
:)
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thatthatisis Wed, May 4, 2011 10:07:53am |
By the way, when it comes to being an “expert” on liberals, from the vantage point of Portland, you should try hanging out here in the tri state area. We liberals were shouting with joy. I posted once on this site about my best friend who died in the North Tower. I stayed home from work Monday just so I could re-live hearing the announcement and soak up the good news.
I don’t speak for all liberals, but I sure as hell speak for a lot of them.
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 4, 2011 10:08:28am |
re: #487 SanFranciscoZionist
I certainly wouldn’t mind, but I do think these guys will be extensively rewarded within the profession.
Training Holiday (time off) after they debrief, write their AARs, and clean their gear. Unless the heir apparent sticks his head up.
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HappyWarrior Wed, May 4, 2011 10:08:33am |
re: #494 SanFranciscoZionist
Is pot illegal in Pakistan?
PEr wiki: Laws prohibiting the sale and misuse of cannabis exist, but are very rarely enforced. As with hash, the occasional use of cannabis in community gatherings is broadly tolerated as a centuries old custom, despite its association with lower-income groups. The open use of cannabis by Sufis and Hindus as a means to induce euphoria has never been challenged by the state. Further, large tracts of cannabis grow unchecked in the wild.[56]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 10:08:35am |
re: #494 SanFranciscoZionist
Is pot illegal in Pakistan?
Don’t know but apparently terrorists living in compounds isn’t looked at very closely.
| 501 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 10:08:39am |
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Kragar Wed, May 4, 2011 10:10:36am |
| 503 |
HappyWarrior Wed, May 4, 2011 10:10:57am |
Hell the most excited people I saw regarding the news were my buddies from College Democrats. I am excited by it too. It’s not so much his death, it’s that Al Queda lost a key fundraiser and that coupled with what I am hearing was an intelligence gold mine at the compound makes this awesome. And there’s nothing wrong in my opinion with being happy with the death of a murderer. I opposed the Iraq war but I’d be lying if there wasn’t some satification felt when I heard Saddam died.
| 504 |
Feline Fearless Leader Wed, May 4, 2011 10:11:40am |
re: #501 SanFranciscoZionist
Good GOD.
Wolverines!
And yes the alleged incident is completely despicable. If proven true I hope they fire him, or at least suspend him without pay for a considerable period for being a total jackass.
| 505 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, May 4, 2011 10:11:55am |
re: #497 thatthatisis
By the way, when it comes to being an “expert” on liberals, from the vantage point of Portland, you should try hanging out here in the tri state area. We liberals were shouting with joy. I posted once on this site about my best friend who died in the North Tower. I stayed home from work Monday just so I could re-live hearing the announcement and soak up the good news.
I don’t speak for all liberals, but I sure as hell speak for a lot of them.
Anecdote is not data.
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 4, 2011 10:12:09am |
re: #497 thatthatisis
By the way, when it comes to being an “expert” on liberals, from the vantage point of Portland, you should try hanging out here in the tri state area. We liberals were shouting with joy. I posted once on this site about my best friend who died in the North Tower. I stayed home from work Monday just so I could re-live hearing the announcement and soak up the good news.
I don’t speak for all liberals, but I sure as hell speak for a lot of them.
Shhh—we Flyover Commies like to keep a low profile.
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allegro Wed, May 4, 2011 10:12:43am |
re: #504 oaktree
And yes the alleged incident is completely despicable. If proven true I hope they fire him, or at least suspend him without pay for a considerable period for being a total jackass.
Any teacher who would say that to a child has no business in the profession.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 10:13:17am |
re: #407 iceweasel
The wingnuts are very frothy and foamy today. Over at Red State, one asshat spins the embarassment thus:
That would be the crazed pammy theory that there was a military coup to kill Osama. Yeah, it’s Obama that should be ashamed about that. /
Now, does this mean we’re currently living under martial law, or has the coup stopped? Also, is Obama just gonna let them get away with that? Isn’t someone gonna get arrested?
//
| 509 |
HappyWarrior Wed, May 4, 2011 10:13:43am |
re: #501 SanFranciscoZionist
Good GOD.
What a dickhead. Typical knuckledragger who acts like all Muslims are the same. One of my good friends in 12th grade government class was an Afghani Muslim immigrant who had only been in the US a couple years at that point. He was Shi’a and I still remember him talking about how he had helped out the Northern Alliance. I was just amazed and still am since here was this guy, my age who was becoming an adult way young in life while me and my friends were probably playing video games and just goofing off.
| 510 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 10:13:54am |
re: #485 JasonA
There’s some speculation out there that Osama’s shooting wasn’t in combat but more of an execution style. I’m cool with that.
Bin Laden’s daughter confirms her father shot dead by US Special Forces in Pakistan
Senior Pakistani security officials said Osama bin Laden’s daughter had confirmed her father was captured alive and shot dead by the US Special Forces during the first few minutes of the operation carried out at the huge compound in Bilal Town, Abbottabad.
…The official said a 12-year-old daughter of bin Laden was among the six children rescued from the three-storey compound.
The daughter has reportedly told her Pakistani investigators that the US forces captured her father alive but shot him dead in front of family members.
Wait till the lunatics at HuffPo hear about this.
| 511 |
Semper Fi Wed, May 4, 2011 10:14:07am |
re: #449 SanFranciscoZionist
I realized how much the press was pissing him off when his dog bit a reporter. Dogs get these things. He could tell how much these people were bugging Bush.
All my many issues with GWB to one side, he put in eight years and they were pretty crazy years. It’s going to be some time, if ever, before he wants to go running around doing this sort of thing again.
Good morning SFZ and lizards. I just signed-on to see what’s happening and your comment grabbed me as I feel the same. I think GWB had just 7 full months a POTUS when 9-11 occurred. Thanks to Ice I now know where he was and what he was doing during the attack. I really don’t know how eventful those first 7 months were aside from that but have always ‘felt’ for the guy. He was my Prez. and I always liked him.
| 512 |
ProBosniaLiberal Wed, May 4, 2011 10:15:11am |
I do have one qualm about how the whole thing went down: The crash-landing of the malfunctioning helicopter. This is the second time this has happened in combat situation this year. We lost an F-15 over Libya to mechanical failure earlier as well. Something is wrong with our upkeep if this is going on.
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 4, 2011 10:15:11am |
re: #508 SanFranciscoZionist
Now, does this mean we’re currently living under martial law, or has the coup stopped? Also, is Obama just gonna let them get away with that? Isn’t someone gonna get arrested?
//
It was just a practice coup. If it had been a real coup you would have been instructed to turn your dial to the Emergency Broadcast System.
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Kragar Wed, May 4, 2011 10:15:28am |
re: #510 NJDhockeyfan
Bin Laden’s daughter confirms her father shot dead by US Special Forces in Pakistan
Wait till the lunatics at HuffPo hear about this.
So, the daughter is an Obama supporter as well, eh?
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Spocomptonite Wed, May 4, 2011 10:15:35am |
re: #481 Obdicut
Do you really feel it’s behavior so terrible you need to tut-tut about it?
And why are you putting the people who are celebrating the end of Bin Laden in terms of flag-waving, shot-taking, street-dancing? Most people aren’t anywhere near that.
It was a reference to #472.
Look, guys. And girls. OBL getting killed: good thing. It’s the same for how I feel about executions in general: a necessary evil. Am I glad he’s gone? yes. But I can’t celebrate something I find an evil itself, even if it is a necessary one. I’m not going to say, “Woo Hoo! Yay!” to, say, a lethal injection. It is not a happy thing, and the best we can get out of any human’s death, even OBL’s, is that it brings closure and justice to the victims that were killed before. And I sincerely hope that it does bring much closure to 9/11 victims families, because they need and deserve that.
I don’t mean to “tut-tut” anyone. Sorry if I got a little too “moon-batty”.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 4, 2011 10:15:41am |
re: #510 NJDhockeyfan
Bin Laden’s daughter confirms her father shot dead by US Special Forces in Pakistan
Wait till the lunatics at HuffPo hear about this.
As compassionate as I am, part of me thinks Osama’s just lucky we didn’t set him on fire and push him off the Empire State Building.
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Kragar Wed, May 4, 2011 10:16:21am |
re: #512 ProLifeLiberal
I do have one qualm about how the whole thing went down: The crash-landing of the malfunctioning helicopter. This is the second time this has happened in combat situation this year. We lost an F-15 over Libya to mechanical failure earlier as well. Something is wrong with our upkeep if this is going on.
Its called sand.
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 10:17:22am |
re: #510 NJDhockeyfan
Bin Laden’s daughter confirms her father shot dead by US Special Forces in Pakistan
Wait till the lunatics at HuffPo hear about this.
Source: Al Arabiya
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ProBosniaLiberal Wed, May 4, 2011 10:18:07am |
re: #518 Ericus58
Saudi Arabia. I call bullshit on what is being said.
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allegro Wed, May 4, 2011 10:18:14am |
re: #515 Spocomptonite
I don’t mean to “tut-tut” anyone. Sorry if I got a little too “moon-batty”.
Oops! Too late! You’ve already been branded a lunatic, doncha know.//
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, May 4, 2011 10:19:23am |
re: #517 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Its called sand.
Movie:
Who said “Get used to it. It’s everywhere.”
:)
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 10:19:33am |
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ProBosniaLiberal Wed, May 4, 2011 10:19:47am |
re: #517 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That only goes so far. Military Aircraft are designed to be in harsh conditions, and these incidents are happening.
We need to spend less on money on possibly defective weapons systems, and more on maintaining what we have.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 10:19:49am |
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Stan the Demanded Plan Wed, May 4, 2011 10:19:50am |
chucktodd Chuck Todd
Pres. Obama has decided NOT to release any photos.
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 10:20:37am |
re: #512 ProLifeLiberal
No matter how meticulous the planning, things can and do go wrong. What makes the mission all the more remarkable is that the crash of the helo didn’t stop the mission and its key objective - taking OBL. That’s why the team plans and trains incessantly - not only to make sure that things go according to plan, but to deal with what happens when they don’t.
Tech glitches happen. Mechanical systems fail. People and structures aren’t where they’re supposed to be (or when they’re supposed to be at position X).
For all we know, the helo could have taken damage from AQ firing in the compound and rather than risk losing the helo on the evacuation route of of Pakistan, they landed it and blew it up. That no Americans were apparently injured, let alone killed in the raid, is another major point of pride in the team that carried out the raid.
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Kragar Wed, May 4, 2011 10:20:47am |
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HappyWarrior Wed, May 4, 2011 10:20:48am |
re: #525 Stanley Sea
chucktodd Chuck Todd
Pres. Obama has decided NOT to release any photos.
I’m fine with that. The conspiracy theorists would be looking for a conspiracy one way or the other anyhow.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 4, 2011 10:21:21am |
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zora Wed, May 4, 2011 10:21:44am |
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lawhawk Wed, May 4, 2011 10:21:59am |
re: #519 ProLifeLiberal
The source is the Pakistani ISI/military apparently debriefing those who were left in the compound. Expect more than their fair share of CYA to be included in the reports they release - and a spin on their reports that puts the US in a bad light as a way to distract from their own failings.
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Kragar Wed, May 4, 2011 10:22:14am |
re: #525 Stanley Sea
chucktodd Chuck Todd
Pres. Obama has decided NOT to release any photos.
/putting away the “Obama is wrong for releasing them” scripts and busting out the “What does Obama have to hide?” scripts
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 10:22:22am |
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Four More Tears Wed, May 4, 2011 10:22:54am |
re: #525 Stanley Sea
chucktodd Chuck Todd
Pres. Obama has decided NOT to release any photos.
Trump’ll get them out of him…
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ProBosniaLiberal Wed, May 4, 2011 10:23:30am |
re: #531 lawhawk
I’ve learned to disbelieve anything Saudi Arabia says. If they said the sky was blue, I’d walk outside and check.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 10:24:36am |
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 10:24:47am |
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Obdicut Wed, May 4, 2011 10:24:49am |
re: #535 ProLifeLiberal
You’d be right. It’s grey, grey, grey today.
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Semper Fi Wed, May 4, 2011 10:24:55am |
re: #525 Stanley Sea
chucktodd Chuck Todd
Pres. Obama has decided NOT to release any photos.
Completely agree.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 10:25:49am |
re: #481 Obdicut
Do you really feel it’s behavior so terrible you need to tut-tut about it?
And why are you putting the people who are celebrating the end of Bin Laden in terms of flag-waving, shot-taking, street-dancing? Most people aren’t anywhere near that.
I ate some chocolate.
And at my dad’s bar yesterday we toasted the SEALS.
It was pretty low-key.
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blueraven Wed, May 4, 2011 10:26:09am |
re: #505 Walter L. Newton
Anecdote is not data.
You are correct, and that is what few assholes posting to blogs are…anecdotal. There is no evidence of widespread liberal uprising or dissatisfaction over the killing of bin laden.
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Kragar Wed, May 4, 2011 10:26:53am |
re: #540 SanFranciscoZionist
I ate some chocolate.
And at my dad’s bar yesterday we toasted the SEALS.
It was pretty low-key.
I passed out some candy.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 10:27:06am |
re: #497 thatthatisis
By the way, when it comes to being an “expert” on liberals, from the vantage point of Portland, you should try hanging out here in the tri state area. We liberals were shouting with joy. I posted once on this site about my best friend who died in the North Tower. I stayed home from work Monday just so I could re-live hearing the announcement and soak up the good news.
I don’t speak for all liberals, but I sure as hell speak for a lot of them.
As always, the distinction between the far left goopiness and normal liberals present.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 4, 2011 10:27:30am |
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 4, 2011 10:27:43am |
re: #523 ProLifeLiberal
That only goes so far. Military Aircraft are designed to be in harsh conditions, and these incidents are happening.
We need to spend less on money on possibly defective weapons systems, and more on maintaining what we have.
After last night’s questions I got into the public side of the Army accident data. They had 134 aviation accidents last year that caused either loss of aircraft, deaths, injuries, or significant damage. That is somewhat elevated, but not out of line considering the wartime tempo. Gravity is a harsh mistress.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 10:28:15am |
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Kragar Wed, May 4, 2011 10:29:14am |
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Ericus58 Wed, May 4, 2011 10:29:19am |
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HappyWarrior Wed, May 4, 2011 10:29:23am |
re: #543 SanFranciscoZionist
As always, the distinction between the far left goopiness and normal liberals present.
Pretty much. I’ve told you this before I still get a huge kick when some people on the right act like Code Pink and ANSWER are part of the Democratic base when some socialist groups think ANSWER is too nutty since the Workers World Party (one of ANSWER’s affiliates) may be one of the only parties in history to oppose the US invasion of Afghansitan but support the USSR one.
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 10:29:24am |
re: #535 ProLifeLiberal
I’ve learned to disbelieve anything Saudi Arabia says. If they said the sky was blue, I’d walk outside and check.
I cannot think of any reason whatsoever to believe anything released by Pakistan, the Saudis or any other so-called “ally” to either contradict or corroborate what our military and our President are telling us. The credibility of the ISI telling us that a supposed daughter of OBL allegedly claimed that OBL was captured and subsequently killed is somewhere between that cool page on the impossibility of the Moon landing (yesterday) and anything pronounced by Trump.
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Four More Tears Wed, May 4, 2011 10:29:29am |
How long before these photos pop up on Wikileaks?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 10:29:40am |
re: #504 oaktree
Wolverines!
And yes the alleged incident is completely despicable. If proven true I hope they fire him, or at least suspend him without pay for a considerable period for being a total jackass.
I love their wacky little statement about how they value diversity. This isn’t about diversity, ya eejits, although I value it too, it’s about teachers not mortally insulting fourteen-year-olds.
(Allegedly).
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, May 4, 2011 10:30:13am |
Sand quote:
Robin Williams as the genie in _Aladdin and the King of Thieves_
“Once again, this whole broadcast has been brought to you by Sand - it’s everywhere, get used to it.”
Hmm, and it looks like I got the statement in the wrong order.
| 554 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, May 4, 2011 10:30:26am |
re: #551 JasonA
How long before these photos pop up on Wikileaks?
How would we know they are any different from the Photoshop fakery that is out there already?
| 555 |
shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 10:30:26am |
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 10:31:24am |
re: #540 SanFranciscoZionist
I ate some chocolate.
And at my dad’s bar yesterday we toasted the SEALS.
It was pretty low-key.
And now it’s truth-or-dare time: Admit you would have been drinking and eating chocolate anyway.
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Kragar Wed, May 4, 2011 10:31:34am |
re: #555 imp_62
I see what you’re doing here.
It was the See’s candy puffy peppermints. The kind that melt in your mouth.
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thatthatisis Wed, May 4, 2011 10:32:37am |
This is going to be a big problem for the conspiracy minded: Do they hate President Obama because they believe
1) Bin Laden’s daughter’s charge, that Bin Laden was captured and then executed in cold blood? OR
2) Bin Laden really isn’t dead ?
Tough choices for the crazy.
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shutdown Wed, May 4, 2011 10:33:46am |
re: #558 thatthatisis
This is going to be a big problem for the conspiracy minded: Do they hate President Obama because they believe
1) Bin Laden’s daughter’s charge, that Bin Laden was captured and then executed in cold blood? OR
2) Bin Laden really isn’t dead ?Tough choices for the crazy.
Oh, please. This is a layup: The crazies believe Obama is OBL’s daughter. Duh.
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HappyWarrior Wed, May 4, 2011 10:35:06am |
re: #559 imp_62
Oh, please. This is a layup: The crazies believe Obama is OBL’s daughter. Duh.
Heh, I don’t think they’re that crazy but then I am reminded of some of the CT’s I’ve seen over the years.
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Semper Fi Wed, May 4, 2011 10:38:24am |
re: #558 thatthatisis
This is going to be a big problem for the conspiracy minded: Do they hate President Obama because they believe
1) Bin Laden’s daughter’s charge, that Bin Laden was captured and then executed in cold blood? OR
2) Bin Laden really isn’t dead ?Tough choices for the crazy.
I suspect Elvis has his hands full right now trying to convince OBL music isn’t that bad.
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HappyWarrior Wed, May 4, 2011 10:42:07am |
re: #561 Semper Fi
I suspect Elvis has his hands full right now trying to convince OBL music isn’t that bad.
Heh somehow I don’t think he’s hanging with Elvis and I am not an Elvis fan.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 4, 2011 10:43:13am |
re: #556 imp_62
And now it’s truth-or-dare time: Admit you would have been drinking and eating chocolate anyway.
Well, yes, but I did it in a celebratory way! And we mentioned the SEALS!!
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, May 4, 2011 10:44:13am |
re: #558 thatthatisis
This is going to be a big problem for the conspiracy minded: Do they hate President Obama because they believe
1) Bin Laden’s daughter’s charge, that Bin Laden was captured and then executed in cold blood? OR
2) Bin Laden really isn’t dead ?Tough choices for the crazy.
Easy actually.
1. Obama and Osama are in competition to lead the Great Muslim Conspiracy to Destroy Goodness and America (GMCDGA)
2. The SEALS caught and killed a Osama double. To cover up this potential political embarassment the DNA evidence was faked and everything declared a vicotry.
3. Therefore, Osama is still alive is ready to plot his revenge while the other “facts” play out as presented.
//
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albusteve Wed, May 4, 2011 10:56:16am |
no pics of the dead guy…as it should be
they prove exactly nothing
it’s a pointless jesture
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iceweasel Wed, May 4, 2011 11:18:53am |
re: #332 Alouette
Where’s that from?
Hey alouette— sorry, I didn’t mean to ignore you. I didn’t see your comment and then my computer crashed so I can’t even find the source of that crazy now. I think it was from some site called The Blaze.
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Usually refered to as anyways Wed, May 4, 2011 2:54:37pm |
I hope that Osama wasn’t shot in front of his children as being reported.
I know, I have dainty sensibilities.
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