1 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:23:45pm

You know, that would be funny if it doesn't turn out be true.

Did I mangle syntax as badly as I think I just did?

2 Achilles Tang  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:29:26pm

I think we should just go back to royalty and appoint/draft Jeb Bush as president, and after whatever offspring he has.

3 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:31:31pm

By then, hopefully, the cleanness of a candidate wont matter. Otherwise, it's Liberty University peeps running the US.

Happily, ill be dead.

4 Gus  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:32:07pm

Strange but true!

5 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:37:02pm

Susan Sarandon whips it all the way out:

6 Lidane  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:38:49pm

OK. This is awesome, and a defiant "fuck you" to an evil douche:

Thousands gather in Oslo to sing song Anders Breivik hates

Up to 40,000 Norwegians have staged an emotionally charged singalong in Oslo near the court building where Anders Behring Breivik is on trial for the murder of 77 people in a protest organisers said showed he had not broken their tolerant society.

"It's we who win," said guitar-strumming folk singer Lillebjørn Nilsen as he led the mass singalong and watched the crowd sway gently in the rain. Many held roses above their heads, and some wept.

The protest followed several days of defiant testimony from Breivik, who has admitted killing his victims but denied criminal guilt.

The crowd chose to sing Children of the Rainbow, a song that extols the type of multicultural society Breivik has said he despises and one he dismissed during the trial as Marxist propaganda.

7 Gus  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:45:24pm

re: #6 Lidane

OK. This is awesome, and a defiant "fuck you" to an evil douche:

Thousands gather in Oslo to sing song Anders Breivik hates

Saw that this morning. Here's the Pete Seeger version:

8 gwangung  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:45:29pm

re: #6 Lidane

No kidding. Totally awesome.

9 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:45:45pm

re: #6 Lidane

It's looking like Breivik is not going to be declared insane, which isn't good news. If ruled insane he could be locked up for life -- but if the court says he's not crazy he could be released within his lifetime.

10 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:47:31pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Again, he could be, but he won't

He will be Forvared into the deepest pits of hell. He will be the Norwegian equivalent of Charles Manson.

11 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:50:32pm

I have no facebook page...
That makes me the de facto President-Elect in 2040.
MUHAHAHA

13 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:53:28pm

re: #11 Varek Raith

I have a Facebook, but nothing embarrassing. Because I don't drink or do horribly stupid shit.

14 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:57:46pm

re: #13 ProGunLiberal

I have a Facebook, but nothing embarrassing. Because I don't drink or do horribly stupid shit.

You are, however, on record calling for the unrestricted bombing of cities in Argentina that would kill thousands and thousands of civilians, including children.

So there's that.

15 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 6:59:48pm

re: #14 Obdicut

This is true. I would not want me in a position of power. Because I know I have a mild issue with disproportionate response.

I know I tend to take the "respond in kind" concept that extra 5 steps too far.

16 Hawaii69  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:02:29pm

Current crop is achieving that without Facebook....

17 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:05:03pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Susan Sarandon whips it all the way out:

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ZOMFG!!!

For the first time in my life IT career, WMD has helped me get a job making (practically almost) the same money that WM make!

I would totally not know this if the BM African Immigrant co-worker did not tell me his "Coming To America" story (and he still makes more money than I do!)

18 sagehen  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:14:09pm

re: #13 ProGunLiberal

I have a Facebook, but nothing embarrassing. Because I don't drink or do horribly stupid shit.

I've done *tons* of stupid shit.

But I've never been stupid enough to post photos of it.

19 Lidane  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:17:38pm

re: #18 sagehen

I've done *tons* of stupid shit.

But I've never been stupid enough to post photos of it.

I'm just happy that most of my stupid shit took place before the Internet became a big thing and before everyone had smartphones with cameras.

I've been careful in what I post on FB. There are a few photos of me out with my grad school friends, but nothing humiliating at all.

20 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:20:53pm

re: #11 Varek Raith

I have no facebook page...
That makes me the de facto President-Elect in 2040.
MUHAHAHA

I have no Facebook either. But my "friends" would go for the buck in a second and spill all my fun times. No Prezzy for me!

21 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:23:18pm

re: #18 sagehen

And I make sure I don't do tremendously stupid shit around other people.

22 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:23:36pm

My greenhouse is already producing more food than I can eat. I've been kind of reluctant to give it to neighbors because of the crappy unsolicited cookies and cakes I'll receive in return. I was just talking to a neighbor down the block with a similar dilemma with too many duck eggs. Negotiations went well. God I love this town and the hippies that infest it. Free duck eggs!

23 Varek Raith  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:24:07pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

My greenhouse is already producing more food than I can eat. I've been kind of reluctant to give it to neighbors because of the crappy unsolicited cookies and cakes I'll receive in return. I was just talking to a neighbor down the block with a similar dilemma with too many duck eggs. Negotiations went well. God I love this town and the hippies that infest it. Free duck eggs!

Commie.

24 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:25:01pm

re: #23 Varek Raith

Commie.

If duck eggs are thrown at your house tonight I had nothing to do with it.
/

25 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:26:01pm

ot I live in a house of many. All my Tupperware be gone. Fucking sad. I'll be back after I figure out which household bowls I'm going to procure to take my leftovers (awesome salmon btw) to work.

:(

26 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:35:15pm

If you meet a RWNJ in a dark alley, jump up and down and make plenty of noise. Although they are easy to scare, playing dead could be a grave mistake.

27 Obdicut  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:42:06pm

re: #26 The Little Brown Spots on a Banana Peel

That's why I dress like this.

Image: epic-fail-photos-poorly-dressed-the-buffalo-bill-of-stuffed-animals.jpg

28 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:43:16pm

re: #27 Obdicut

That's why I dress like this.

Image: epic-fail-photos-poorly-dressed-the-buffalo-bill-of-stuffed-animals.jpg

A dark alley would be the only appropriate place to wear that.

29 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:43:58pm

re: #12 Gus

Thousands of Norwegians in Youngstorget Square singing Pete Seeger's "My Rainbow Race"

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Good sentiment but the song is hogwash. "World where – every sister and every brother – shall live together – like small children of the rainbow," can be filed under 'never going to happen', not till Jesus returns. But it's what you'd expect from Peter Seeger.

30 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:45:57pm

re: #13 ProGunLiberal

I have a Facebook, but nothing embarrassing. Because I don't drink or do horribly stupid shit.

You're like me, PLL: Neither of us is liable to end up in trouble because of relatively normal types of scandal. If we end up in trouble, it would be because your temper or mine finally boiled over and we went and did something really bad.

31 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:47:05pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

You're like me, PLL: Neither of us is liable to end up in trouble because of relatively normal types of scandal. If we end up in trouble, it would be because your temper or mine finally boiled over and we went and did something really bad.

Rule #1: Never piss into the wind while dressed in a suit.

32 Lidane  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:48:20pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

There's nothing wrong with songs that are optimistic and hopeful.

33 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:49:33pm

D_F dissed Pete Seeger. Dude he IS America. Wow

34 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:50:47pm

re: #32 Lidane

There's nothing wrong with songs that are optimistic and hopeful.

There's nothing wrong with dreaming of an idyllic utopia as a goal to work toward as long as a practical recognition of reality is in the mix.

35 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:52:52pm

If you meet a LWNJ in a dark alley, just ignore it and it will go away. However do not look it in the eye or you'll be buried in hand-out pamphlets.

36 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:53:11pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea's rule of law

D_F dissed Pete Seeger. Dude he IS America. Wow

No, he's an American. His way of seeing the world is very different than mine and he does not speak for me.

37 Lidane  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:55:00pm

re: #34 The Little Brown Spots on a Banana Peel

There's nothing wrong with dreaming of an idyllic utopia as a goal to work toward as long as a practical recognition of reality is in the mix.

Oh sure. And there was plenty of recognition of reality in songwriters like Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger. It's absurd to suggest that they just lived in utopia, especially if you read their lyrics.

38 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:55:07pm

re: #35 The Little Brown Spots on a Banana Peel

If you meet a LWNJ in a dark alley, just ignore it and it will go away. However do not look it in the eye or you'll be buried in hand-out pamphlets.

It depends on the barking of the moonbat. If it accuses 'the 1%' just ignore it. If it starts accusing you personally of some sort of 'class treason', get out your pepper spray.

39 Amory Blaine  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:57:28pm

re: #37 Lidane

Oh sure. And there was plenty of recognition of reality in songwriters like Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger. It's absurd to suggest that they just lived in utopia, especially if you read their lyrics.

At age 19, Guthrie met and married his first wife, Mary Jennings, with whom he had three children,[13] Gwendolyn, Sue, and Bill, all of whom would later die prematurely. With the advent of the Dust Bowl era, Guthrie left Texas, leaving Mary behind, and joined the thousands of Okies who were migrating to California looking for work. Many of his songs are concerned with the conditions faced by these working class people.

40 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:58:05pm

re: #37 Lidane

Oh sure. And there was plenty of recognition of reality in songwriters like Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger. It's absurd to suggest that they just lived in utopia, especially if you read their lyrics.

Guthrie, however, was for a good while Stalin's shill. He sang for 'peace' until the start of Operation: Barbarossa and only after the Soviet Union was attacked did he call for US entry into WWII.

41 palomino  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:58:32pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

No, he's an American. His way of seeing the world is very different than mine and he does not speak for me.

Do you like rock music? Pop music? Because most of them "artists" are goddang libruls too, just not as direct and articulate about it in their music as Seeger. While you're at it, you better throw anything you own by Springsteen, Dylan, the Beatles, etc etc. in the garbage as well.

"Imagine all the people..." (Does that disgust you too?)

42 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:59:12pm

Did I just hear a siren go off?

43 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 7:59:26pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Damn. Love mah fresh veggies. You have it, I'd buy it but just not practical...

44 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:00:21pm

re: #43 Daniel Ballard

Damn. Love mah fresh veggies. You have it, I'd buy it but just not practical...

I hate my veggie garden, but I love my neighbour's.

45 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:01:19pm

re: #41 palomino

Do you like rock music? Pop music? Because most of them "artists" are goddang libruls too, just not as direct and articulate about it in their music as Seeger. While you're at it, you better throw anything you own by Springsteen, Dylan, the Beatles, etc etc. in the garbage as well.

"Imagine all the people..." (Does that disgust you too?)

Just because he does not speak for me, does not mean I think Seeger 'disgusting'. One can like some songs by an artist (including those songs from a left-wing viewpoint) while disliking some others.

46 freetoken  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:01:26pm
Ode To A Loquat On A Rainy Afternoon

By chance or fate I stumbled upon thee
sitting high in your tree, clear for all
to see your colors limned, freshly bathed by
your heavenly shower.

That tree - established there by a loving owner
or perchance an accident, by malicious act of a passing jay,
do you know?


How could other this way traveling
have passed you by?
Did they not see your beauty,
or did they mistake you for a lemon?

Are you mellow? Are you sweet?
Like an apple will you be, or like a pear?
One seed, two seeds, three, or more?


Eternal questions these will not be, for
Once you were part of that tree,
But from now evermore you will be part of me.

47 palomino  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:01:46pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

Guthrie, however, was for a good while Stalin's shill. He sang for 'peace' until the start of Operation: Barbarossa and only after the Soviet Union was attacked did he call for US entry into WWII.

At which point many Republicans (America Firsters) were still opposed to US entry into the war.

48 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:01:58pm

re: #43 Daniel Ballard

Damn. Love mah fresh veggies. You have it, I'd buy it but just not practical...

You'll be hard pressed to outbid the duck eggs. Pork perhaps, but even that's a close competition.

49 palomino  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:03:41pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Just because he does not speak for me, does not mean I think Seeger 'disgusting'. One can like some songs by an artist (including those songs from a left-wing viewpoint) while disliking some others.

But you talk about Seeger in a way that makes him sound dangerous to American values. Do you feel the same about Springsteen (who idolizes Seeger's music and activism)?

50 Amory Blaine  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:03:42pm

Grilled up some ribeyes and baked potatoes. Yum.

51 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:04:50pm

re: #50 Amory Blaine

Grilled up some ribeyes and baked potatoes. Yum.

Better than potato eyes and baked ribs.

52 Lidane  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:06:31pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

Guthrie, however, was for a good while Stalin's shill. He sang for 'peace' until the start of Operation: Barbarossa and only after the Soviet Union was attacked did he call for US entry into WWII.

You're thinking of Pete Seeger. Woody Guthrie lobbied to be a USO performer instead of being conscripted as a soldier and ended up serving in the Merchant Marines.

Pete Seeger repudiated Stalin, BTW.

53 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:07:16pm

re: #49 palomino

But you talk about Seeger in a way that makes him sound dangerous to American values. Do you feel the same about Springsteen (who idolizes Seeger's music and activism)?

If I gave off that impression, I apologize. I think Seeger and Springsteen to be often wrong, but not dangerous.

54 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:07:49pm

Without activists the US would be !US.

55 palomino  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:07:52pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Good sentiment but the song is hogwash. "World where – every sister and every brother – shall live together – like small children of the rainbow," can be filed under 'never going to happen', not till Jesus returns. But it's what you'd expect from Peter Seeger.

Your optimism for the human race is infectious. Inspirational really.

I'm guessing your response to the "I have a dream" speech in 1963 would have been "What a bunch of hogwash, none of that stuff MLK is talking about can happen until Jesus comes back." And you would have been very wrong.

Seeger's song embodies the same sentiment as MLK's speech.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:08:57pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Just because he does not speak for me, does not mean I think Seeger 'disgusting'. One can like some songs by an artist (including those songs from a left-wing viewpoint) while disliking some others.

Let's just say that I would never sing "Rainbow Race" of my own free will. Except to affront Breivik, in which case I would sing loud and proud.

57 Lidane  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:11:10pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

Let's just say that I would never sing "Rainbow Race" of my own free will. Except to affront Breivik, in which case I would sing loud and proud.

It's not a song I'd go out of my way to sing, but I can appreciate the sentiment, and as a fuck you to a fanatic like Breivik, it works brilliantly.

58 Mocking Jay  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:11:14pm

Wait, there's a higher probability for a Jesus appearance than there is for racial harmony?

59 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:11:32pm

re: #47 palomino

At which point many Republicans (America Firsters) were still opposed to US entry into the war.

True. That's an area we haven't gone into much on this blog, American sentiment on entry into World War II prior to Pearl Harbor.

I suppose I'd answer by pointing out that many of those who were pro-war were segregationist Southern Democrats, making it possible to say that FDR was only able to get Lend-Lease passed with the support of raving racists.

But there remains the fact that I think Lend-Lease was the right policy and that America-First was wrong.

60 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:12:34pm

re: #57 Lidane

It's not a song I'd go out of my way to sing, but I can appreciate the sentiment, and as a fuck you to a fanatic like Breivik, it works brilliantly.

That's a fact, and Brevik richly deserves the 'fuck you'.

61 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:13:09pm

re: #58 Assemble!

Wait, there's a higher probability for a Jesus appearance than there is for racial harmony?

It confused me too.

62 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:14:20pm

re: #52 Lidane

You're thinking of Pete Seeger. Woody Guthrie lobbied to be a USO performer instead of being conscripted as a soldier and ended up serving in the Merchant Marines.

Pete Seeger repudiated Stalin, BTW.

No, I know who I'm talking about. Woody Guthrie was a Communist.

And I was aware that Seeger repudiated Stalin.

63 funky chicken  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:14:41pm

I'm sending this to both my kids. Thanks for the heads-up. Although I'm not sure they know about The Onion yet. It's a conundrum.

64 palomino  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:15:56pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

True. That's an area we haven't gone into much on this blog, American sentiment on entry into World War II prior to Pearl Harbor.

I suppose I'd answer by pointing out that many of those who were pro-war were segregationist Southern Democrats, making it possible to say that FDR was only able to get Lend-Lease passed with the support of raving racists.

But there remains the fact that I think Lend-Lease was the right policy and that America-First was wrong.

At the time, the Dems had huge majorities in both houses, so everything they did was supported by raving racists since the future Dixiecrats made up about one-third of the party. Now they're your party's problem, I'm glad to say.

As for Seeger, the fact remains that he came to support the war at about the same time as most Americans, who were hardly chomping at the bit in 1939 to jump back into a world war just 20 years after the last one. So that hardly makes Seeger anomalous in any way in US history.

65 Lidane  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:16:20pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

Woody Guthrie also died back in the 60's, long before I was born. I'm not going to get bent out of shape over his politics from the 30's and 40's. Given his experiences in Dust Bowl, being a Communist likely made sense to him at the time.

The Cold War is over. It's been over for over 20 years now. I'm not going to care if someone was a Communist back when my mother was a child.

66 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:16:22pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Good sentiment but the song is hogwash. "World where – every sister and every brother – shall live together – like small children of the rainbow," can be filed under 'never going to happen', not till Jesus returns. But it's what you'd expect from Peter Seeger.

It's weird. You seem to recognize the link to Jesus, in that Seeger is simply repeating Jesus's teachings, but somehow in order for this message not to be "hogwash" Jesus has to return. I don't get that. What's the point of even being a Christian then if you don't think the world He wanted His followers to at least try create is even attainable by man? Is it just about using His sacrifice to attain the ecclesiastical white out of one's sins, or is there also some obligation to spread the Word for sake of creating worldly good?

I'll admit this is coming from the outside, but what you're saying just seems so self contradictory.

67 Kragar  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:19:25pm

"Obama wins support of the lazy by promising no new jobs."

68 b_sharp  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:20:34pm

re: #67 Kragar

"Obama wins support of the lazy by promising no new jobs."

???

69 Amory Blaine  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:20:53pm

re: #67 Kragar

Thank god. I'm sick of doing shit. :p

70 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:21:55pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

It's weird. You seem to recognize the link to Jesus, in that Seeger is simply repeating Jesus's teachings, but somehow in order for this message not to be "hogwash" Jesus has to return. I don't get that. What's the point of even being a Christian then if you don't think the world He wanted His followers to at least try create is even attainable by man? Is it just about using His sacrifice to attain the ecclesiastical white out of one's sins, or is there also some obligation to spread the Word for sake of creating worldly good?

I'll admit this is coming from the outside, but what you're saying just seems so self contradictory.

Perfection can't be attained by Man, but you still have to continually try to make things better. I'm Christian because I think other people can ultimately get into such a place in Heaven. I really don't think I'll be allowed in. My sins are too great, and I lack most ability to love (instead I act out of a sense of duty and a sense of justice).

71 palomino  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:26:15pm

So it's naive and unrealistic to strive for a rainbow race, as Seeger sang about.

But it makes perfect sense to hope that the GOP will become a more moderate party in the near future? Let's see: 2006--GOP loses badly, then moves further right; 2008--GOP loses badly again, moves further right again; 2010--GOP wins big, and...continues moving to the right. I'd contend that Seeger's rainbow race is no more a fantasy than a remotely centrist GOP.

72 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:26:54pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

Guthrie, however, was for a good while Stalin's shill. He sang for 'peace' until the start of Operation: Barbarossa and only after the Soviet Union was attacked did he call for US entry into WWII.

DF:

A little history is useful. Guthrie and Seeger came into their own during the 30's and 40's, a time when unions significantly increased their power and established the modern middle class in the US. Working hours, child labor, health care and pensions rules were established.

Since the 70's, unions have been attacked by the right. The fact that you have neither a pension plan nor medical insurance is reflective of that fact.

Are you a winner or a loser in this game?

73 palomino  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:27:49pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

Perfection can't be attained by Man, but you still have to continually try to make things better. I'm Christian because I think other people can ultimately get into such a place in Heaven. I really don't think I'll be allowed in. My sins are too great, and I lack most ability to love (instead I act out of a sense of duty and a sense of justice).

So you see yourself going to Hell?

74 freetoken  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:28:57pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank


Bart Ehrman, in the conclusion of his latest book:

[...] Jesus would not recognize himself in the preaching of most of his followers today. He knew nothing of our world. He was not a capitalist. He did not believe in free enterprise. He did not support the acquisition of wealth or the good things in life. He did not believe in massive education. He had never heard of democracy. He had nothing to do with going to church on Sunday. He knew nothing of social security, food stamps, welfare, American exceptionalism, unemployment numbers, or immigration. He had no views on tax reform, health care (apart from wanting to heal leprosy), or the welfare state. So far as we know, he expressed no opinion on the ethical issues that plague us today: abortion and reproductive rights, gay marriage, euthanasia, or bombing Iraq. His world was not ours, his concerns were not ours, and—most striking of all—his beliefs were not ours.

Jesus was a first-century Jew, and when we try to make him into a twenty-first-century American we distort everything he was and everything he stood for. Jesus himself was a complete supernaturalist. He believed in the Devil and demons and the forces of evil at work in this world. He knew little—possibly almost nothing—about the workings of the Roman Empire. But what little he knew, he considered evil. He may have considered all government evil unless it was a (future) theocracy to be run by God himself through his messiah. He certainly was no proponent of our political views, whatever our views happen to be.

These forces of evil were asserting their control over the world with increasing vehemence. But Jesus thought that God would soon intervene and destroy them all to bring in his good kingdom on earth. This would not come from human effort—expanding democracy, building up national defense, improving the educational system, winning the war on drugs, and so on. Human effort counted for nothing. It would come from God, when he sent a cosmic judge to destroy the present order and to establish God’s kingdom here on earth. [...]

Painfully straightforward. Point is, the Jesus of history is no more the Jesus of Pete Seeger than he was the Jesus of GWB.

75 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:29:08pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

It depends on the barking of the moonbat. If it accuses 'the 1%' just ignore it. If it starts accusing you personally of some sort of 'class treason', get out your pepper spray.

backwards b will solve all your probs

76 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:33:15pm

re: #73 palomino

So you see yourself going to Hell?

Probably.

77 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:34:22pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

Perfection can't be attained by Man, but you still have to continually try to make things better. I'm Christian because I think other people can ultimately get into such a place in Heaven. I really don't think I'll be allowed in. My sins are too great, and I lack most ability to love (instead I act out of a sense of duty and a sense of justice).

The wonderful thing about Christianity is the concept of redemption. An honest acceptance of the Lord cleanses the slate of all past actions, no matter how vile. The horrible thing about Christianity is the concept of redemption. An honest acceptance of the Lord cleanses the slate of all past actions, no matter how vile.

78 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:35:39pm

re: #72 austin_blue

Pension plans weren't abandoned because of "attacks from the right", they were abandoned because they became unaffordable, and unions requesting ever larger pensions is a part of why they became unaffordable.

79 palomino  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:37:28pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Probably.

You're a Christian who sees himself going to hell.

I'm an agnostic who sees himself going to heaven (if it exists).

Something seems amiss.

80 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:37:38pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

Perfection can't be attained by Man, but you still have to continually try to make things better. I'm Christian because I think other people can ultimately get into such a place in Heaven. I really don't think I'll be allowed in. My sins are too great, and I lack most ability to love (instead I act out of a sense of duty and a sense of justice).

This seems like a long winded way of saying you aren't a good Christian because you simply don't want to be, which is fine if you'd just own it. However all this talk of what you "lack" is really about what you're unwilling to change - the behaviors you're addicted to in spite of identifying them as antithetical to a righteousness existence. Nobody's is carved in stone. If you actually like who you are and don't want to change that's one thing, but the whole passive resignation routine comes off as sadly self pitying.

81 palomino  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:40:52pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Why do you think you're going to hell? Are you a strict Calvinist who believes he wasn't fortunate enough to be one of the predestined Elect. Or did you do something (many things?) too horrible to mention here.

I'm not being facetious. I'm curious...give me a hint. (It's not everyday that I converse with someone who sees himself as condemned to hell.)

82 Amory Blaine  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:42:04pm

Jay Leno bit on the farewell sex thing.

83 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:45:06pm

re: #81 palomino

Why do you think you're going to hell? Are you a strict Calvinist who believes he wasn't fortunate enough to be one of the predestined Elect. Or did you do something (many things?) too horrible to mention here.

I'm not being facetious. I'm curious...give me a hint. (It's not everyday that I converse with someone who sees himself as condemned to hell.)

I don't see myself as 'condemned', not yet anyways. But I do believe in the odds, and I don't think my getting into Heaven is the way the smart money bets.

84 palomino  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:48:19pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

I don't see myself as 'condemned', not yet anyways. But I do believe in the odds, and I don't think my getting into Heaven is the way the smart money bets.

C'mon. Give me a hint why.

85 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:55:37pm

re: #84 palomino

C'mon. Give me a hint why.

Nothing horrible, only the small cruelties I know I sometimes inflict. I fight them as best as I can, but am not at all sure I'll win. I don't intend to give up, though.

86 Lidane  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:55:57pm

I can't decide if this is brilliant or sad. Either way, I laughed:

Image: generalwee.jpg

Heh.

87 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:57:53pm

re: #86 Lidane

I can't decide if this is brilliant or sad. Either way, I laughed:

Image: generalwee.jpg

Heh.

It's all in good fun. And as problematic as the Stars and Bars are, they were not put on that car out of any malicious intent.

88 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:58:27pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Nothing horrible, only the small cruelties I know I sometimes inflict. I fight them as best as I can, but am not at all sure I'll win. I don't intend to give up, though.

I'm really not sure that we get zinged for unintentional things that are just part of life.

89 Lidane  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:00:15pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

It's all in good fun. And as problematic as the Stars and Bars are, they were not put on that car out of any malicious intent.

I'm not worried about the Stars and Bars. It's a General Lee.

What I'm laughing about is the fact that they painted a Smart car to look like a General Lee. That's like giving a Prius a camo paint job for when you go hunting.

90 palomino  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:00:35pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Nothing horrible, only the small cruelties I know I sometimes inflict. I fight them as best as I can, but am not at all sure I'll win. I don't intend to give up, though.

If the "small cruelties" in life are the ticket to Hell, then most of us are screwed.

I just can't believe in a God that would send a majority of humanity to an eternal sea of fire (or however one envisions the Bad Place.)

91 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:02:29pm

re: #84 palomino

C'mon. Give me a hint why.

No one can answer the question you posed..
How will God Judge us? Will He judge on a curve? Is it all or nothing?
Will a man that cheats on his wife suffer eternity in Hell the same as Hitler who was responsible for 50 million deaths and 6 million of His people?
This is a line most of us seek..I strive to be a good man as we all should do.

92 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:02:56pm

re: #90 palomino

If the "small cruelties" in life are the ticket to Hell, then most of us are screwed. I just can't believe in a God that would send a majority of humanity to an eternal sea of fire (or however one envisions the Bad Place.)

It's my understanding, I don't mean it for anyone but me. I don't know how others see their actions, or how the Lord will judge them. All I know is how I see my actions, and I try to improve them.

93 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:04:24pm

re: #89 Lidane

I'm not worried about the Stars and Bars. It's a General Lee.

What I'm laughing about is the fact that they painted a Smart car to look like a General Lee. That's like giving a Prius a camo paint job for when you go hunting.

Not everyone can afford a Charger. I'm OK with someone wanting to emulate a favored TV show, even if the car they have is is too small for me to get into.

94 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:04:26pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Nothing horrible, only the small cruelties I know I sometimes inflict. I fight them as best as I can, but am not at all sure I'll win. I don't intend to give up, though.

If you expect to writhe in eternal torment over some lame-assed imperfections, you must think your god is a bit of a shit-head. Find a better god, go live a life of service to god's beloved wretches, or just drop the whole dumb thing. Any way you come out ahead.

95 Kragar  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:06:56pm

re: #68 The Little Brown Spots on a Banana Peel

???

It was one of the newsfeed items on the bottom of the Onion.

96 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:08:09pm

re: #89 Lidane

I'm not worried about the Stars and Bars. It's a General Lee.

What I'm laughing about is the fact that they painted a Smart car to look like a General Lee. That's like giving a Prius a camo paint job for when you go hunting.

I have a photo of a deer I'd gotten earlier that day with it's head hanging out of our Prius' trunk. Works just fine as a hunting vehicle.. ;)

(I thought about linking but, nah... )

97 palomino  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:08:32pm

re: #91 HoosierHoops

No one can answer the question you posed..
How will God Judge us? Will He judge on a curve? Is it all or nothing?
Will a man that cheats on his wife suffer eternity in Hell the same as Hitler who was responsible for 50 million deaths and 6 million of His people?
This is a line most of us seek..I strive to be a good man as we all should do.

Right, but if someone believes he is going to hell--as DF does--there's usually a reason why, i.e., something he did or didn't do that was so bad it deeply offended God. I was simply asking for some description of that. That's not an unanswerable question.

98 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:08:55pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Pension plans weren't abandoned because of "attacks from the right", they were abandoned because they became unaffordable, and unions requesting ever larger pensions is a part of why they became unaffordable.

That's bullshit. It was a corporate decision in the allocation of profits to shareholders. If dividends had been decreased, pensions would have been fully funded.

99 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:10:14pm

re: #98 austin_blue

That's bullshit. It was a corporate decision in the allocation of profits to shareholders. If dividends had been decreased, pensions would have been fully funded.

The unions had their part to play, and in any case what happened wasn't really political.

100 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:11:30pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

The unions had their part to play, and in any case what happened wasn't really political.

Dude, in 2012, it's *all* political.

101 palomino  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:13:54pm

re: #98 austin_blue

That's bullshit. It was a corporate decision in the allocation of profits to shareholders. If dividends had been decreased, pensions would have been fully funded.

As much as I hate the term when used by the right, what you're responding to could be labeled class warfare. If it exists, it's a two-way street. And in this case the working class is demonized, because they benefited from unions.

102 Digital Display  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:15:50pm

re: #97 palomino

Right, but if someone believes he is going to hell--as DF does--there's usually a reason why, i.e., something he did or didn't do that was so bad it deeply offended God. I was simply asking for some description of that. That's not an unanswerable question.

I understand..
I was adopted into a very strict Catholic Family when I was 12.. I come from very modest means as a cast-off. Heck by the time I was 14 I was sure I was going to Hell..) Those Catholics sure can make you feel guilty..

103 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:16:00pm

Heh. Husband just pointed out that since he has never been on facebook, it won't disqualify him.

What will disqualify him is that he is an engineer, and has no political sense.

If he thinks something is stupid, he says so bluntly. He expects things to make sense. He doesn't really attend pity parties, but he'll help you with a solution if you will accept it.

104 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:16:29pm

re: #100 austin_blue

Dude, in 2012, it's *all* political.

But it wasn't political when the events that set the change in retirement systems in motion occurred.

105 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:18:32pm

re: #102 HoosierHoops

I understand..
I was adopted into a very strict Catholic Family when I was 12.. I come from very modest means as a cast-off. Heck by the time I was 14 I was sure I was going to Hell..) Those Catholics sure can make you feel guilty..

The trick was just to avoid falling pianos until you made it to Confession on Saturday.

106 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:19:57pm

OT: All-white killer whale spotted off Russia

The world's only known all-white male killer whale has been spotted in the Pacific Ocean off Russia, scientists announced Monday.

The orca, dubbed "Iceberg" by the scientists, was spotted swimming with a pod of 12 others. Iceberg has a 6.5-foot-high dorsal fin and is at least 16 years old, according to a blog post by Erich Hoyt, co-director of the Far East Russia Orca Project.

Check out a photo gallery of albino creatures

The pod was spotted by scientists from universities in Moscow and St. Petersburg in the waters around the Commander Islands off the Kamchatka Peninsula. The area is part of a marine reserve.

Hoyt wrote that two other white orcas have been seen in area, but that Iceberg is the first fully grown male.

“In many ways, Iceberg is a symbol of all that is pure, wild and extraordinarily exciting about what is out there in the ocean waiting to be discovered,” Hoyt said in a statement.

Being an albino is a bit less dangerous when you're an apex predator that lives in a family group.

107 austin_blue  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:20:40pm

re: #101 palomino

As much as I hate the term when used by the right, what you're responding to could be labeled class warfare. If it exists, it's a two-way street. And in this case the working class is demonized, because they benefited from unions.

Of *course* the working class is benefitted by unions. Hey, Charles, is membership in the AFM good or bad?

For She Who Must Be Obeyed, it is undeniably good. (Oh, and on the Local website, she is a couple of names below Willie Nelson.)

108 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:27:42pm

re: #107 austin_blue

Of *course* the working class is benefitted by unions. Hey, Charles, is membership in the AFM good or bad?

For She Who Must Be Obeyed, it is undeniably good. (Oh, and on the Local website, she is a couple of names below Willie Nelson.)

Private sector unions are neither inherently good nor inherently evil. They are human institutions, and like the corporations employing their members they are susceptible to human folly, but are capable of greatness as well.

109 palomino  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:30:11pm

re: #102 HoosierHoops

I understand..
I was adopted into a very strict Catholic Family when I was 12.. I come from very modest means as a cast-off. Heck by the time I was 14 I was sure I was going to Hell..) Those Catholics sure can make you feel guilty..

Amen. I went to Catholic high school after attending a strict evangelical school in Texas for K-3. A full hour of church every day there. Fundamentalists teaching young earth creationism, liberally dishing out corporal punishment in an all white school. They even fired our music teacher because she taught us the Bob Dylan song "Blowin' in the Wind", even though it was 10 years after the song came out. Couldn't stand the place and talked my parents into letting me leave for public school.

Then I was told by a priest when I was 15 that if I looked at porn and masturbated, I was going to hell. I've had no real use for organized religion since then.

110 SpaceJesus  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:31:01pm

it's horrible and it's absolutely true

111 freetoken  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:37:52pm

re: #110 SpaceJesus

it's horrible and it's absolutely true

The albino killer whale?

112 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:38:19pm

re: #110 SpaceJesus

it's horrible and it's absolutely true

*sob*

I'm so sorry, but I didn't think you wanted the rest of the pie.

I'll only take my share next time.

113 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:39:54pm

re: #111 freetoken

The albino killer whale?

Iceberg the Killer Whale is indeed horrible if you're PETA. Do you know how many Sea Kittens he eats in a year?

/Must I?

114 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:46:24pm

From the 'Stars Without Makeup' files, we have these photos of Amanda Seyfriend in Beverly Hills. In her case, her beauty is natural, and only enhanced by makeup at times, not simply a creation of styling.

115 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 9:56:31pm

Between a fish eating whale and a Hollywood actress, my posts seem to have killed the thread.

117 freetoken  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 10:42:30pm

One of the best:

[Link: soundcloud.com...]

118 Kragar  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 10:57:53pm

Bryan Fischer: Even gays say I was right: Grenell hire was all about homosexuality

It turns out that I was dead right that Mitt Romney's hire of a homosexual activist was all about homosexuality, not foreign policy.

How do I know? Gay activists are saying so, and so is ABC. So there. Told you so.

ABC's has a feature piece today with this title: "Mitt Romney's Appointment of Gay Aide Richard Grenell Signals New Attitude." New attitude about what, pray tell?

ABC says that Grenell's sexual preference for men was not an issue "until a gay-bashing radio host at the American Family Association wrote in his blog that by appointing Grenell, Romney was telling the so-called pro-family community to 'drop dead.'" That would be me.

Then ABC laments, "CNN amplified that message from Bryan Fischer by inviting him on for an interview," in which I said, "The homosexual agenda represents the single-greatest threat to religious liberty and freedom of association in America today."

You can ask the faith community in Hutchinson, Kansas about that statement, by the way. The city council there is about ready to order churches to host gay weddings regardless of the First Amendment and all that rot about freedom of religion.

Fox’s Starnes Misinforms About Kansas Non-Discrimination Ordinance

In reality, the ordinance includes specific exemptions for religious organizations that don’t offer their services to the general public. According to an official Hutchinson Human Relations Commission (HRC) FAQ Sheet (which Starnes even links to in his article):

Religious based groups, non-profit institutions controlled by religious associations or societies and non-profit private clubs that are not open to the public are exempt from the requirements of Chapter 3 now and would continue to be exempt should the proposed amendment become law. There is an exception to this exemption, if any of these groups open their services to the general public.

For example, if a church has a parish hall that they rent out to the general public, they could not discriminate against a gay couple who want to rent the building for a party. If the church only rents the building to their parishioners, they can continue to do so. [emphasis added]

119 Kragar  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 11:00:27pm

Wingnuts are so boring when you can catch them in a flat out easily disproved lie with less than a minute of research.

120 engineer cat  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 11:27:28pm

re: #119 Kragar

Wingnuts are so boring when you can catch them in a flat out easily disproved lie with less than a minute of research.

but rush has trained them to defend themselves against facts with a large collection of canned wisecracks

works for them, somehow...

The point is that we are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield.

- george orwell

121 Kragar  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 11:34:57pm

re: #120 engineer cat

but rush has trained them to defend themselves against facts with a large collection of canned wisecracks

works for them, somehow...

The point is that we are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield.

- george orwell

A wingnut could tell me good morning and I would be forced to double check what they meant by that.

122 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 11:38:26pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

My greenhouse is already producing more food than I can eat. I've been kind of reluctant to give it to neighbors because of the crappy unsolicited cookies and cakes I'll receive in return.

Our neighbors used to just come and toss vegggies over the fencefor us. I would look out the window and see Irma coming over with a handful of zuchhinis and yell "Incoming!"

123 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 11:38:32pm

Anyone awake?

124 Kragar  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 11:40:01pm

re: #123 ggt

Anyone awake?

nope

125 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 11:40:52pm

re: #124 Kragar

nope

I know, you are not just anyone.

126 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 11:44:15pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Pension plans weren't abandoned because of "attacks from the right", they were abandoned because they became unaffordable, and unions requesting ever larger pensions is a part of why they became unaffordable.

But executive recompensation packages in the milions even for failing companies was not abandoned...because "we need to attract the best and the brightest"...

127 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 11:46:40pm

Seriously?, I thought we put this to rest earlier in the day-well yesterday by my clock.

128 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 11:50:08pm

re: #126 Expand Your Ground

But executive recompensation packages in the milions even for failing companies was not abandoned...because "we need to attract the best and the brightest"...

Yes, the argument (DF's) is valid, but in light of the desparages we are currently experiences, it holds little weight.

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 11:52:51pm

currently grooving to

old drum machines rule

130 AK-47%  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 11:54:17pm

There as the famous scene in which a Detroit executive showed a UAW executive his new fully automoted production line and boated "And not a single one of those workers is a union member".

To which the UAW boss replied, "And not a single one of them is going to buy one of your cars, either!"

Henry Ford understaood that principle when he paid his workers nearly double the going rate for his day.

131 freetoken  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 12:07:05am
132 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 12:11:54am

thorin freetokenshield

133 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 12:51:30am

later all!

134 freetoken  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 12:56:23am

Let me take this opportunity to mourn, again, at the downward spiral of the documentary/science/natural history programming of the BBC the past couple of years.

The latest show to set off my alarm bells is Divine Women. I've only watched the first part of the first episode, but in that part the host/author presents a highly contorted, and IMO inaccurate, presentation of relevant information about Gobekli Tepe.

The truth of what that site was all about, both originally and how it changed over time, is a matter of heated academic discussion. But the BBC host paints the story in, shall we say, a typical feminist (dare I use that word?) historical revisionism.

IOW, the host appears to be on a quest to de-patriarch religion, to return religion to its matriarchal roots.

Now, no doubt the major Western religions are very patriarchal in nature, but that hardly gives one carte blanche to start making sweeping statements about the past in order to correct a perceived wrong.

135 freetoken  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:04:48am
136 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:17:06am

re: #134 freetoken

Let me take this opportunity to mourn, again, at the downward spiral of the documentary/science/natural history programming of the BBC the past couple of years.

The latest show to set off my alarm bells is Divine Women. I've only watched the first part of the first episode, but in that part the host/author presents a highly contorted, and IMO inaccurate, presentation of relevant information about Gobekli Tepe.

The truth of what that site was all about, both originally and how it changed over time, is a matter of heated academic discussion. But the BBC host paints the story in, shall we say, a typical feminist (dare I use that word?) historical revisionism.

IOW, the host appears to be on a quest to de-patriarch religion, to return religion to its matriarchal roots.

Now, no doubt the major Western religions are very patriarchal in nature, but that hardly gives one carte blanche to start making sweeping statements about the past in order to correct a perceived wrong.

I have noticed an overall decline in the qualtiy of British TV programming since I was first exposed to it in the early 90's. But it's still better than German TV programming.

137 researchok  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:23:37am

Morning, all

138 freetoken  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:24:21am

re: #136 Expand Your Ground

I have noticed an overall decline in the qualtiy of British TV programming since I was first exposed to it in the early 90's. But it's still better than German TV programming.

Which is better than American programming, broadly speaking, substantively speaking. American TV almost universally has great production values, but the content is all too often vapid.

139 researchok  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:24:30am

re: #135 freetoken

File Not Found

140 researchok  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:25:46am

re: #134 freetoken

The beeb is a far cry from what it once was.

Very far cry.

141 AK-47%  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:30:02am

It wasn't the beeb, but I think I experienced the nadir of bad TV in Britain: after "Big Brother" cam a show (hosted by an otherwise fairly talented Russel Brand) in which people sat around and talked about what they had jsut seen in BB.

142 researchok  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:32:58am

Canadian radio and TV is still pretty good.

Minnesota NPR broadcast some terrific programming, As it Happens, etc.

There was a TV series, Nature of Things, hosted by David Suzuki that was outstanding.

143 researchok  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:39:40am

Here is the PRI page for As t Happens.

144 freetoken  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:43:21am

re: #139 researchok

File Not Found

Works for me.

Are you sure it's not your browser which is choking on the flash plug-in?

145 dragonath  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:48:44am

re: #136 Expand Your Ground

"Divine Woman"... is it wrong that I immediately thought of John Waters?

Deutsche Welle is pretty good stuff, for news.

146 researchok  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:49:05am

positive

Everything else works

147 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:49:49am

re: #146 researchok

Works for me.

148 researchok  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:50:25am

I'll reboot

149 researchok  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 1:54:44am

works now

150 Aye Pod  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 2:28:16am

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Good sentiment but the song is hogwash. "World where – every sister and every brother – shall live together – like small children of the rainbow," can be filed under 'never going to happen', not till Jesus returns.

Way to get real, DF/

151 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 2:32:45am

Ermey is a stupid wingnut.

152 Aye Pod  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 2:38:22am

re: #134 freetoken

The latest show to set off my alarm bells is Divine Women. I've only watched the first part of the first episode, but in that part the host/author presents a highly contorted, and IMO inaccurate, presentation of relevant information about Gobekli Tepe.

Will have to watch this now. One thing to note is that with more channels , such as BBC4, they are making a more documentaries than they used to from a wider variety of academic sources, some of them on the contentious side.

153 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 2:48:10am
154 Aye Pod  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 2:48:31am

re: #151 I'm a Mavrik!

Ermey is a stupid wingnut.

[Embedded content]

Bands estates should really check before they give permission for their songs to be played - "Are you going to have some terrible band murder the song and then have some drooly old wingnut walk on stage and deliver a stupid anti-Obama rant in the middle of it? Just checking..."

155 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 3:10:14am

These kids rock pretty hard.

156 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 3:14:27am

re: #155 Obdicut

Yah, great covers. Started as a "medieval music" band IIRC.

157 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 3:58:26am

re: #156 I'm a Mavrik!

Yep. Which is impressive in and of itself. That little girl has an amazing natural rhythm.

158 Aye Pod  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 4:07:43am

re: #134 freetoken

Just watched the show and I thought it was ok, actually. It may not present an entirely orthodox view on everything it touches, but I think there is an understanding with this kind of programme that what is being presented is one academic making the case for their particular take.

159 Aye Pod  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 4:09:43am

re: #155 Obdicut

These kids rock pretty hard.

[Embedded content]

I prefer the Laibach Kids.

160 iossarian  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 4:33:01am

Donde esta el chat?

161 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 5:32:10am

re: #160 iossarian

Now you went and did it.

162 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 5:35:10am

re: #150 Aye Pod

Way to get real, DF/

Morning. I'm still laughing here. I shall now proceed to continue to practice my new found non-violence. ;)

163 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 5:38:26am

re: #151 I'm a Mavrik!

Ermey is a stupid wingnut.

[Embedded content]

RLE knows at some level that he is a cartoon character. Since he's not active duty, under the UCMJ, he is free to express it.

164 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 5:51:49am

That's not the kind of song I want to hear while watching war movies!

//

165 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 5:56:07am

Holy shit...Jesus came by last night? I hope he kicked Pete Seeger's ass.
//

That's some pretty scary shit upthread. DF should get a job working for the Romney campaign.

166 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 5:58:01am

re: #165 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Holy shit...Jesus came by last night? I hope he kicked Pete Seeger's ass.
//

That's some pretty scary shit upthread. DF should get a job working for the Romney campaign.

We'll only live together in peace and harmony and all as brothers and sisters until the End-Times comes and Jesus makes his return!!!!!

//

167 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 5:58:28am

re: #160 iossarian

Donde esta el chat?

It's le chat, but el gato is sleeping on the dog's bed.

168 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:00:12am

re: #166 Gus

We'll only live together in peace and harmony and all as brothers and sisters until the End-Times comes and Jesus makes his return!!!

//

I hope he's wearing a camo outfit with the sleeves ripped off...anything less than that and his followers are likely to reject him as being a pussy for waiting so long.

169 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:02:40am

re: #165 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Holy shit...Jesus came by last night? I hope he kicked Pete Seeger's ass.
//

That's some pretty scary shit upthread. DF should get a job working for the Romney campaign.

Scary? I don't agree with DF, but I have a hard time seeing it as scary in any way shape or form. He is far more consistant and honest about his beliefs than most. And really, since I've been here, he's moderated a considerable bit as well. I'd rather be around him than around Mittens.

170 Aye Pod  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:03:11am

re: #166 Gus

We'll only live together in peace and harmony and all as brothers and sisters until the End-Times comes and Jesus makes his return!!!

//

I deal in hard mythological prophesies, I'll have no truck with airy fairy nonsense like 'hope'. Obama discredited that word anyways...

171 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:03:25am

re: #168 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

I hope he's wearing a camo outfit with the sleeves ripped off...anything less than that and his followers are likely to reject him as being a pussy for waiting so long.

The singing of the song was also a response to Anders Breivik who said of Lillebjoern Nilsen that does a cover of that song, “he is a good example of a Marxist who infiltrated the cultural sector; he writes music that is used to brainwash children.”

172 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:05:57am

re: #170 Aye Pod

You just wait! I still have yet to reveal everything I know of Pete Seeger from this here dossier!

//

173 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:07:57am

re: #169 William Barnett-Lewis

There's consistent and then there's this....it's more a caricature of consistency...an online persona that is too extreme to be real. Sam the Eagle from the Muppet Show was more flexible...and believable.

174 Aye Pod  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:08:36am

re: #164 Gus

That's not the kind of song I want to hear while watching war movies!

//

Maybe this would be more appropriate

175 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:09:36am

re: #171 Gus

The singing of the song was also a response to Anders Breivik who said of Lillebjoern Nilsen that does a cover of that song, “he is a good example of a Marxist who infiltrated the cultural sector; he writes music that is used to brainwash children.”

Yes, and I thought the 40,000 people singing the Nilsen cover was beautiful. I hope Breivik is mocked to his grave by everyone he meets along the way...if he survives his 20 year sentence.

176 Aye Pod  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:10:05am

re: #169 William Barnett-Lewis

I believe DF is a lot better than some of the right wing baggage he still lugs around.

177 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:11:19am

re: #174 Aye Pod

Maybe this would be more appropriate

[Embedded content]

We're going to war!

178 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:15:09am

re: #177 Gus

We're going to war!

Those little soldiers were tough, but they were no match for a half cup of dad's green dot powder from his reloader and a can of mom's VO-5 Hair Spray and a lighter.

179 iossarian  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:15:58am

re: #167 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

It's le chat, but el gato is sleeping on the dog's bed.

No, no, "the chat". As in "sing, dance, chitty-chat".

180 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:16:17am

re: #178 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Those little soldiers were tough, but they were no match for a half cup of dad's green dot powder from his reloader and a can of mom's VO-5 Hair Spray and a lighter.

You may find this hard to believe, but I managed to singe my eyebrows off...twice...when I was a kid.

181 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:16:43am

Drive-by comment:

London evacuation, apparent hostage crisis. Live feed via Sky News.

182 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:17:27am

re: #179 iossarian

No, no, "the chat". As in "sing, dance, chitty-chat".

Okay...I thought it was Spancaise.

183 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:19:41am

Image: enhanced-buzz-30819-1335490061-10.jpg

184 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:19:51am

re: #181 CuriousLurker

Drive-by comment:

London evacuation, apparent hostage crisis. Live feed via Sky News.

[Embedded content]

Quick! They're probably running a background check on Ruwayda Mustafah! ;)

185 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:20:22am

re: #107 austin_blue

Of *course* the working class is benefitted by unions. Hey, Charles, is membership in the AFM good or bad?

For She Who Must Be Obeyed, it is undeniably good. (Oh, and on the Local website, she is a couple of names below Willie Nelson.)

IIRC, when our studio was pumping out platinum albums (1970s), a session musician cost (per AFM rules) approx $125.00 for three sides.
It was OK, as that was considered the cost of doing business, and ensured that one could make a living as a session musician.
Wonder (seriously) what the same cost today.
Our small record company VP (who had worked for Polygram) told me that the AFM collected 10% off the top from the music industry, and his words at that time, "and you know the US music industry is a $10 billion industry. You do the math. And the AFM has never been audited. No one knows what they do with the money."
I don't mean this to be a knock on the AFM.
Make of it what you will.

186 Aye Pod  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:20:27am

re: #178 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Those little soldiers were tough, but they were no match for a half cup of dad's green dot powder from his reloader and a can of mom's VO-5 Hair Spray and a lighter.

I put all mine in the drying cupboard one time. Next day I went to get them there was nothing left but strings of melted plastic hanging from the grate.

187 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:22:05am

re: #183 Interesting Times

[Embedded content] Image: enhanced-buzz-30819-1335490061-10.jpg

That's just how mormons exchange bodily fluids.

188 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:23:52am

re: #183 Interesting Times

[Embedded content] Image: enhanced-buzz-30819-1335490061-10.jpg

And it looks like Mitt is giving birth, too.

189 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:26:42am

re: #181 CuriousLurker

That he's talking to cops is a good sign.

190 Aye Pod  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:28:25am

re: #181 CuriousLurker

Drive-by comment:

London evacuation, apparent hostage crisis. Live feed via Sky News.

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The BBC's page on this: [Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

The Metropolitan Police said the man had a grievance against the company.

The office building houses news website The Huffington Post UK.

191 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:30:31am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area - NASA's bringing the Shuttle Enterprise to NYC this morning; it's preparing to take off from Dulles as I write:

[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

192 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:33:19am

re: #191 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area - NASA's bringing the Shuttle Enterprise to NYC this morning; it's preparing to take off from Dulles as I write:

[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

That poor Shuttle...they're treating it like an Irish Setter.

193 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:37:53am

First flying sharks and now hovering bears...we're so fucked...until jesus comes.

Image: coloradobearfalls.jpg

194 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:39:10am

re: #191 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area - NASA's bringing the Shuttle Enterprise to NYC this morning; it's preparing to take off from Dulles as I write:

[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

The Statue of Liberty flyby will be awesome. I wonder if it will overfly ground zero or if that is still off limits even for this flight.

195 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:40:37am

re: #193 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

First flying sharks and now hovering bears...we're so fucked...until jesus comes.

Image: coloradobearfalls.jpg

Take 32! Can you do it again with more feeling?

//

196 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:41:02am

re: #190 Aye Pod

The BBC's page on this: [Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

He's been identified...

Snipers, explosive experts and a police negotiator are attending a potential hostage situation at Tottenham Court Road in central London.

There are reports that four people have been taken hostage by a man, named as Michael Green, at a building in one of the busiest parts of the capital.

The 50-year-old is reported to be angry he did not get an HGV Licence and had a grudge against someone in the building over the matter.

Mr Green stormed into Shropshire House, which houses Advantage HGV, about midday saying he had nothing to live for.

He is said to have a gas cannister tied to him and reportedly threatened to blow himself up.

Police were called when Mr Green was throwing computers, furniture and paper from the fifth floor of the building.

The police negotiator has made contact with Mr Green, but objects were still being thrown from the window will they were communicating.

197 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:42:10am

re: #194 Daniel Ballard

It's supposed to do a flyby of both the WTC and Intrepid museum along the Hudson River, doubt it will fly directly over the WTC site (1WTC would be just about the same height as the flyby (1500 feet versus about 1300 feet (including the cranes at 1WTC)).

In any event, I'm hoping to get away from work for a few minutes to catch and photograph it. If I do, then I'll be posting them to my blog...

198 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:44:37am

re: #197 lawhawk

Good luck, looking forward to the pictures.

199 prairiefire  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 6:53:06am

Bill Clinton's campaign video for Obama:[Link: politicalwire.com...]

200 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:06:50am

Pete Fornatale, a Pioneer of FM Rock, Dies at 66

Pete Fornatale, a disc jockey who helped usher in a musical alternative to Top 40 AM radio in New York in the late 1960s and early 1970s, presenting progressive rock and long album tracks that AM stations wouldn’t touch and helping to give WNEW a major presence on the still-young FM dial, died on Thursday in Manhattan. He was 66...

203 Lidane  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:21:46am

Grover Norquist hath spoken. Let's see how many Republicans follow:

Club For Growth To GOP: Let Student’s Interest Rates Spike

Reflecting divisions within the congressional GOP, the conservative group Club for Growth is warning Republicans to vote against any measure that would keep student loan interest rates from doubling a few weeks from now – even one sponsored by their own leaders.

204 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:27:35am

re: #203 Lidane

Grover Norquist hath spoken. Let's see how many Republicans follow:

Club For Growth To GOP: Let Student’s Interest Rates Spike

So lower taxes are a good thing since people keep more of their money, but lower interest rates on student loans, letting people keep more of their money, are bad.

206 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:29:23am

re: #176 Aye Pod

I believe DF is a lot better than some of the right wing baggage he still lugs around.

That's probably a very good way to put it, thank you.

207 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:32:20am

The situation in London has been safely resolved. Man arrested.

208 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:33:23am

This is getting worse by the day.

Secret Service probing foreign hard-partying allegations going back to 2000

(CBS News) WASHINGTON - The Secret Service sex scandal is getting wider.

The dispute over payment to a prostitute in Cartagena, Colombia, by a Secret Service agent has triggered new charges of hard partying and impropriety by agents around the globe.

Two weeks after the incident in Cartagena, the Secret Service is working to quickly wrap up that portion of the scandal, but the U.S. government is investigating reports of unprofessional behavior and rule-breaking by agents in four countries, going back 12 years.

On Capitol Hill, there are growing demands for an outside agency to take over the probe.

Seattle CBS affiliate KIRO-TV reported Thursday that Secret Service agents visited a strip club in El Salvador -- by the vanload -- in advance of President Obama's trip there in March 2011.

The Secret Service is looking into that report and some others, including accusations that Secret Service personnel traveling in 2009 with former President Clinton partied at strip clubs on a visit to Buenos Aires, Argentina, and that agents and White House staffers went to a Moscow night club known for its sexually charged atmosphere prior to Mr. Clinton's trip to Russia in 2000.

The new allegations come soon after a hearing Wednesday in which senators were assured that the Colombia scandal was an isolated incident.

209 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:36:27am

The Sky News feed is showing the space shuttle flying over NYC. Major coolness.

210 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:36:40am

re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

This is getting worse by the day.

Secret Service probing foreign hard-partying allegations going back to 2000

Can't say I'm really surprised. The idea that the recent event was a one-off occurrence was pretty risible.

211 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:41:36am

The Shuttle Enterprise Over the WTC

I might get another crack as it comes back down the Hudson River for its final approach towards JFK.

212 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:43:54am

re: #211 lawhawk

The Shuttle Enterprise Over the WTC

Good job on the picture!

213 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:50:12am

re: #212 NJDhockeyfan

I got an even better shot on the return pass... gonna post that one momentarily.

214 Lidane  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:53:46am

re: #204 Simply Sarah

So lower taxes are a good thing since people keep more of their money, but lower interest rates on student loans, letting people keep more of their money, are bad.

Yep. How dare people use federal student loans to pay for their education.

215 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:54:15am

Trayvon Martin case: sparks of racial violence appear

Police report isolated incidents of blacks attacking whites in the name of 'justice for Trayvon Martin.' The incidents are rare, but they indicate frustrations in the African-American community.

216 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:54:32am
217 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:56:10am
218 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:56:40am

re: #216 Gus

I like Meghan McCain...bright woman.

219 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:58:14am

re: #218 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

I like Meghan McCain...bright girl young woman.

As I think I've said before, I need to write a script for this.
/

220 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:59:16am

re: #217 lawhawk

And now - the shuttle return pass over the World Trade Center...

Awesome! Got a good shot there in the middle especially.

221 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 7:59:34am

re: #219 Simply Sarah

As I think I've said before, I need to write a script for this.
/

Reload...I fixed it. Thanks for the catch...I guess it's because I'm getting older I see women in their 20s as girls.

222 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:01:38am

re: #220 Simply Sarah

Yeah, that's the money shot. It definitely helped to have the new camera I've been using - Canon 60D. Much faster than my old xTi for stuff like this.

223 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:02:45am

re: #221 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Reload...I fixed it. Thanks for the catch...I guess it's because I'm getting older I see women in their 20s as girls.

I may be many things, but a girl is not one of them. That comes out sounding a bit odd, doesn't it?

224 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:03:42am

Okay...time to shower and go deal with the Russians (contractors visiting...demanding more 'fun' work for their team while admitting the team isn't technical enough for the 'fun' stuff). Learning how to say 'No' with a smile.

225 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:04:44am

More photos (not by me):
[Link: gothamist.com...]

226 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:06:20am

re: #215 Killgore Trout

Trayvon Martin case: sparks of racial violence appear

It's pathetic with all the violent attacks happening. The MSM should be reporting comments and interviews from people like Bill Cosby instead of race baiters like Sharpton and Jackson.

227 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:08:21am

re: #217 lawhawk

And now - the shuttle return pass over the World Trade Center...

Sweet!

228 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:09:09am

re: #217 lawhawk

And now - the shuttle return pass over the World Trade Center...

Great shots, but e gad...my stomach just did a very nasty flip-flop...visceral reaction to the sight of an airplane near the buildings... I thought I'd gotten over that. Apparently not.

I really HATE those assholes for what they did.

229 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:09:30am

re: #226 NJDhockeyfan

It's pathetic with all the violent attacks happening. The MSM should be reporting comments and interviews from people like Bill Cosby instead of race baiters like Sharpton and Jackson.

The MSM has been terribly irresponsible with this story.

230 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:09:43am

Burp.

231 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:11:33am

re: #226 NJDhockeyfan

It's pathetic with all the violent attacks happening. The MSM should be reporting comments and interviews from people like Bill Cosby instead of race baiters like Sharpton and Jackson Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson.

FTFY

232 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:11:45am

re: #230 Gus

Burp.

*yawn* Need. More. Coffee.

233 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:12:04am

re: #229 Killgore Trout

The MSM has been terribly irresponsible with this story.

Sharpton and Jackson's faces get higher ratings. It's all about the money. Journalism is dead.

234 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:12:17am

Later, lizards.

235 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:14:55am

re: #229 Killgore Trout

The MSM has been terribly irresponsible with this story.

Yeah. It's all the "lamestream" media's fault that George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin. Let's ignore ALEC and the National Rifle Association. Go for the easy target. Blame the media!!111ty.

236 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:15:16am

re: #222 lawhawk

Yeah, that's the money shot. It definitely helped to have the new camera I've been using - Canon 60D. Much faster than my old xTi for stuff like this.

Gotta admit I'd probably have gotten out my Nikon F2 & 200/4 and a roll of Ektar 100 for a shot like that because my digital (an Oly E-PL1) while very nice would probably not be fast enough for a shot like that. Perhaps with my Nikkor-P 105/2.5 though since it wouldn't have to focus - hyperfocal it at f/16 and be there...

Good work!

237 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:15:23am

re: #233 NJDhockeyfan

Sharpton and Jackson's faces get higher ratings. It's all about the money. Journalism is dead.

Yep. It's all Sharpton's and Jackson's fault.

238 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:16:21am

When in doubt, blame the black guys.

239 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:20:49am

re: #238 Gus

When in doubt, blame the black guys.

I give credit to Bill Cosby but I'm blaming the black guys. Got it.

240 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:20:59am

re: #217 lawhawk

And now - the shuttle return pass over the World Trade Center...

Nicely done.

241 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:21:07am

re: #236 William Barnett-Lewis

I was working with my trusty Tamron 28-300 VR 3.5-5.6 at around 150-200mm. Since there was little time to plan/set the shot (and I had scouted it this morning), I missed the closer approach to 1WTC in favor of the sightline I took. Frankly, I thought it would be a bit higher to catch it above the WFC altogether, but it was a pretty damned impressive sight to behold in any case.

242 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:21:21am

re: #240 Daniel Ballard

Thanks.

243 Lidane  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:23:21am

re: #233 NJDhockeyfan

Journalism has bigger problems than whatever you think Sharpton and Jackson are doing.

We had an White House stenography pool instead of a press in the run up to the Iraq War and we are given the dumbed down versions of Time and Newsweek and other magazines in this country. You have to go outside the United States to find anything resembling actual news reporting. That has fuck all to do with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and everything to do with the 24-hour news cycle which has turned news into entertainment.

244 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:24:44am

re: #243 Lidane

Journalism has bigger problems than whatever you think Sharpton and Jackson are doing.

We had an White House stenography pool instead of a press in the run up to the Iraq War and we are given the dumbed down versions of Time and Newsweek and other magazines in this country. You have to go outside the United States to find anything resembling actual news reporting. That has fuck all to do with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and everything to do with the 24-hour news cycle which has turned news into entertainment.

I can't argue with that.

245 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:24:58am

re: #241 lawhawk

I was working with my trusty Tamron 28-300 VR 3.5-5.6 at around 150-200mm. Since there was little time to plan/set the shot (and I had scouted it this morning), I missed the closer approach to 1WTC in favor of the sightline I took. Frankly, I thought it would be a bit higher to catch it above the WFC altogether, but it was a pretty damned impressive sight to behold in any case.

Sounds like a piece of artillery.
/

246 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:26:03am

re: #239 NJDhockeyfan

I give credit to Bill Cosby but I'm blaming the black guys. Got it.

Sorry. Seems like this is the millionth time you've tried to blame this on Sharpton and Jackson.

247 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:27:04am

re: #245 Varek Raith

You should see my 800mm mirror lens.

That's a piece of artillery.

248 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:28:43am

re: #223 Simply Sarah

I may be many things, but a girl is not one of them. That comes out sounding a bit odd, doesn't it?

That's no women, that's my wife!

249 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:28:49am

GOP: Government small enough to fit in your status updates!

250 Lidane  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:29:57am

re: #249 Interesting Times

What possible reason could they have for blocking that? WTF.

251 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:30:31am

re: #246 Gus

Sorry. Seems like this is the millionth time you've tried to blame this on Sharpton and Jackson.

With Sharpton calling for an escalation of civil disobedience I can't resist put him at the top of the list.

252 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:31:32am

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

With Sharpton calling for an escalation of civil disobedience I can't resist put him at the top of the list.

Civil disobedience is a call for violence?

253 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:33:04am

re: #250 Lidane

What possible reason could they have for blocking that? WTF.

It creates a gap between their lips and the wrinkled asses of their corporate masters.

254 allegro  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:33:10am

re: #235 Gus

Yeah. It's all the "lamestream" media's fault that George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin. Let's ignore ALEC and the National Rifle Association. Go for the easy target. Blame the media!!111ty.

And the fact that it was the media attention that resulted in any action being taken at all. Perfect? Nope. Effective? Absolutely.

255 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:33:26am
256 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:33:30am

re: #250 Lidane

What possible reason could they have for blocking that? WTF.

I can't understand that either. It's none of an employer's fucking business what's inside someone Facebook account. I am one of the few without one.

257 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:33:30am

re: #225 lawhawk

More photos (not by me):
[Link: gothamist.com...]

Is that an escort jet in the one shot?

258 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:34:10am

re: #241 lawhawk

I was working with my trusty Tamron 28-300 VR 3.5-5.6 at around 150-200mm. Since there was little time to plan/set the shot (and I had scouted it this morning), I missed the closer approach to 1WTC in favor of the sightline I took. Frankly, I thought it would be a bit higher to catch it above the WFC altogether, but it was a pretty damned impressive sight to behold in any case.

Very nice work to get it given the speed it was moving as well.

My own photography this morning was rather more mundane. Some B&Ws of a "usual suspect" bridge that I'll miss once we move up north and a few cliche flowers. No shuttles here in flyover, alas.

259 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:36:06am

re: #257 RayFerd

Is that an escort jet in the one shot?

Chase plane.

260 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:36:51am

re: #257 RayFerd

Is that an escort jet in the one shot?

Gotta be. Looks like a fighter jet.

261 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:36:58am

Douche bag Teabaggers suddenly discover that Ayn Rand was an atheist:

262 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:38:06am

It's a NASA T-38.

263 allegro  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:38:13am

re: #243 Lidane

Journalism has bigger problems than whatever you think Sharpton and Jackson are doing.

We had an White House stenography pool instead of a press in the run up to the Iraq War and we are given the dumbed down versions of Time and Newsweek and other magazines in this country. You have to go outside the United States to find anything resembling actual news reporting. That has fuck all to do with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and everything to do with the 24-hour news cycle which has turned news into entertainment.

Your mention of Time reminded me of yesterday's Digby and her reporting of Colbert's brilliant bit at the Time 100 thingie...

Of course, all of us should be honored to be listed on the TIME 100 alongside the two men who will be slugging it out in the fall: President Obama, and the man who would defeat him, David Koch.

Give it up everybody. David Koch.

Little known fact -- David, nice to see you again, sir.

Little known fact, David's brother Charles Koch is actually even more influential. Charles pledged $40 million to defeat President Obama, David only $20 million. That's kind of cheap, Dave.

Sure, he's all for buying the elections, but when the bill for democracy comes up, Dave's always in the men's room. I'm sorry, I must have left Wisconsin in my other coat.

I was particularly excited to meet David Koch earlier tonight because I have a Super PAC, Colbert Super PAC, and I am -- thank you, thank you -- and I am happy to announce Mr. Koch has pledged $5 million to my Super PAC. And the great thing is, thanks to federal election law, there's no way for you to ever know whether that's a joke.

Read the whole thing. Balls of steel, indeed.

264 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:40:02am

re: #261 Gus

Douche bag Teabaggers suddenly discover that Ayn Rand was an atheist:

[Embedded content]

He got smacked, really hard, by the Bishops & the Jesuits the other day. THAT's the only reason he's back peddling on his worship of her. Mind, he's probably still got an altar & candles set up in his bank vault /// but he'll have to be more careful hiding it or his Republican acceptable church will toss him.

265 Lidane  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:40:12am

re: #261 Gus

“Two novels can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”.

Heh.

266 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:41:06am

re: #260 NJDhockeyfan

It's a T-38 trainer.

267 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:41:23am
268 Lidane  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:41:55am

re: #263 allegro

I still have Colbert's bit from the White House Correspondents Dinner on my iPod. Brilliant and brutally funny.

269 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:42:04am

That contradicts their claim during the bail hearing that they were broke.

270 allegro  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:43:19am

re: #269 Gus

That contradicts their claim during the bail hearing that they were broke.

Since $200,000 probably pays less than a week's worth of legal council, he soon will be broke.

/not a defense, just an observation

271 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:45:06am

re: #250 Lidane

What possible reason could they have for blocking that? WTF.

This is just my reaction.
My employer has an interest in my life for 40 or up to 60 hours a week while I'm working. he has every right to my work emails, texts etc. That's it. No more.

We have the rest of my life to consider. My private life. The part I get to be the gatekeeper of. My boss and my co workers might not be invited. My privacy matters.

Do I want my Facebook to be a part of my review or promotion prospects? What if my lifestyle is one my boss would not like? He need not know what company I choose to keep. My boss has no more right to my Facebook than he does to my front lawn. He can see what's in plain view, but entering is up to me.

272 iossarian  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:47:09am

re: #250 Lidane

What possible reason could they have for blocking that? WTF.

Regulation of what corporations can do = bad.

It's the Republican way.

273 gwangung  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:47:54am

re: #254 allegro

And the fact that it was the media attention that resulted in any action being taken at all. Perfect? Nope. Effective? Absolutely.

Media attention that was initiated and sustained by Sharpton and Jackson.

There wouldn't BE any attention paid to Zimmerman except for Sharpton and Jackson.

274 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:48:24am

re: #272 iossarian

Regulation of what corporations can do = bad.

It's the Republican way.

Authoritarianism.

275 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:49:14am

re: #272 iossarian

What of our privacy?

276 allegro  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:51:51am

re: #275 Daniel Ballard

What of our privacy?

Yeah, what of it, sucker? You work for us, we OWN you! You think you have a life? Hahahaha!

277 allegro  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:52:12am

re: #276 allegro

Yeah, what of it, sucker? You work for us, we OWN you! You think you have a life? Hahahaha!

Oops, I forgot my wingnut tags.

278 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:52:55am

re: #276 allegro

Yeah, what of it, sucker? You work for us, we OWN you! You think you have a life? Hahahaha!

You move 16 tons
and what do ya get ...

279 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:53:34am

re: #276 allegro

Yeah, what of it, sucker? You work for us, we OWN you! You think you have a life? Hahahaha!

If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about!

//Bush years.

//

280 allegro  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:53:41am

re: #278 RayFerd

You move 16 tons
and what do ya get ...

Upding for Ernie Ford ref. I loved that guy.

281 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:54:22am

re: #280 allegro

Upding for Ernie Ford ref. I loved that guy.

Ernie Ford? I thought that was Tom Jones.

//

283 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:55:17am

re: #276 allegro

Yeah, what of it, sucker? You work for us, we OWN you! You think you have a life? Hahahaha!

Oh and about your Klout score.... Sorry no promotion for you. You don't tweet enough to rate it.
///

WTF? Next I'll have to buy ads at Yelp so they don't screw my reputation.

284 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:56:10am

re: #282 Varek Raith

Fox's Peter Johnson Jr. On Arizona Law: "Why Can't Police Officers Look Into A Car And Say, God, These People Don't Look Like They Belong Here?"

If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about!

//Bush years.

//

285 iossarian  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:56:12am

re: #275 Daniel Ballard

What of our privacy?

You think the Republicans (other than Luap Nor) care about individual privacy?

286 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:58:27am

re: #250 Lidane

What possible reason could they have for blocking that? WTF.

Getting back to the good old days of pre-union Ford when Henry micromanaged his workers lives for them, that's all.

287 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:59:01am
288 allegro  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:01:35am

re: #287 Gus

I'm still not believing that Houston didn't get one of the retired shuttles. That seems so wrong.

289 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:03:38am

re: #288 allegro

I'm still not believing that Houston didn't get one of the retired shuttles. That seems so wrong.

Houston! We've got a problem.

//

290 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:03:46am

re: #285 iossarian

You think the Republicans (other than Luap Nor) care about individual privacy?

I'm not going to pretend to read their minds for motives. But some examples exist. CISPA
GOP freshmen help derail Patriot Act extension

But then we get votes like this. I can only shake my head. I think you have seen enough of my Pages on this to see where I stand. Like the patriot act should be restricted to anti terror work only. And the FBI should need a warrant to tap my phone,email or GPS my car.

291 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:04:27am

You ever have one of those moods where you simultaneously feel like you want to run 10 miles and also want to take a nice nap? Yeah, that's me right now.

292 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:05:09am

re: #291 Simply Sarah

You ever have one of those moods where you simultaneously feel like you want to run 10 miles and also want to take a nice nap? Yeah, that's me right now.

Image: 500full.jpg

293 allegro  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:05:28am

re: #291 Simply Sarah

You ever have one of those moods where you simultaneously feel like you want to run 10 miles and also want to take a nice nap? Yeah, that's me right now.

Hey, I know! You run the ten miles and I'll take the nice nap. Win-win.

294 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:10:33am

Lol.
Google 'zerg rush'.

296 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:15:38am

re: #271 Daniel Ballard

This is just my reaction.
My employer has an interest in my life for 40 or up to 60 hours a week while I'm working. he has every right to my work emails, texts etc. That's it. No more.

We have the rest of my life to consider. My private life. The part I get to be the gatekeeper of. My boss and my co workers might not be invited. My privacy matters.

Do I want my Facebook to be a part of my review or promotion prospects? What if my lifestyle is one my boss would not like? He need not know what company I choose to keep. My boss has no more right to my Facebook than he does to my front lawn. He can see what's in plain view, but entering is up to me.

That's all true. You should put it on your resume.

297 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:18:33am

re: #295 NJDhockeyfan

Taliban Website Publishes Videos Of Suicide Bombers Who Carried Out Attacks In Kabul And Other Afghan Provinces

Whenever I see someone getting, to quote Sarah Palin, 'all wee-weed up' over videos from suicide bombers, I have to say, "Who gives a fuck? Stupid asshole's dead now."

298 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:27:47am

re: #297 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Whenever I see someone getting, to quote Sarah Palin, 'all wee-weed up' over videos from suicide bombers, I have to say, "Who gives a fuck? Stupid asshole's dead now."

It's a propaganda tool used to help gain support and recruitment for the terrorist organization. That's who gives a fuck.

Luckily there are some geeks out there doing great work against their website.

Taliban Website Hacked As Afghan Cyberwar Heats Up

Unidentified hackers have broken into the main website of the Afghan Taliban, replacing the usual militant claims of victories with images of executions carried out by the militants and messages condemning violence in English, Arabic, and Pashto.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told the Reuters news agency that the Al-Amara website was broken into twice on April 26 and blamed Western intelligence agencies.

A NATO spokesman declined to comment on the claim.

Heh.

299 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:30:45am

I like Jack Black but not the best picture
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
I think he is humgry

300 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:35:16am

An example of domestic terrorism
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I think he may have handled the mercury a little bit too much, cuz he is NUTZ! or mad as a hatter?!

301 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:35:19am
302 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:36:23am

re: #301 ggt

Hey all!

Image: 523914_10150687417541430_61915636429_9826551_236400782_n.jpg

How goes it?

It's Friday, it's beautiful outside, and I woke up alive one more day.

Life is good :)

303 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:36:49am

re: #301 ggt

Hey all!

Image: 523914_10150687417541430_61915636429_9826551_236400782_n.jpg

How goes it?

It goes. Plus it's a Friday, so that's a plus.

304 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:37:09am

re: #291 Simply Sarah

You ever have one of those moods where you simultaneously feel like you want to run 10 miles and also want to take a nice nap? Yeah, that's me right now.

NO

305 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:37:18am
306 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:38:39am

re: #283 Daniel Ballard

Oh and about your Klout score.... Sorry no promotion for you. You don't tweet enough to rate it.
///

WTF? Next I'll have to buy ads at Yelp so they don't screw my reputation.

So, how does one find out their Klout Score?

307 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:38:52am

re: #300 Tommy's cone of shame

Probably nuts even before playing with mercury. Guy was a right wing wackaloon - had copies of the Turner Diaries and other assorted items; the attack against Albany Medical Center was apparently in response to billing issues he had:

When Albany Police and FBI agents searched his home and car in Ulster County last month, they found two containers filled with mercury — one from a dental supply company — 21 guns and about 50 knives. Officers found "The Turner Diaries," a novel associated with domestic terrorism, and a swastika on his wall. They also found correspondence with Albany Med that described Kimber's complaints and concerns over medical bills and treatment he received at the hospital in December 2010.

308 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:45:00am
309 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:46:34am

re: #306 ggt

So, how does one find out their Klout Score?

To note, Klout is a California-based company that checks people's "online influence" using its own algorithm with user data from big social networking sites like LinkedIn, Twitter and Facebook, just to name a few. The higher your Klout score on their system, the better it is for your social "status".

What if I am not on any of those? Would that make my Klout number zero?

310 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:47:41am

So, last night I shared some of my jello with Old Man Dog.

All I can say is that it WAS SO FUNNY. I don't have the vocabulary or the literary talent to accurately describe it.

Something between, "oh, Mom, thanks for the food" & "Wait, it doesn't melt, it doesn't crunch, it's sweet and kinda wet--Well, Mom's eating hers . .I just don't know ."

311 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:48:08am

re: #309 NJDhockeyfan

What if I am not on any of those? Would that make my Klout number zero?

probably less than zero . .

LOL

312 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:50:15am

Is there any way to look at a list of all name changes since the feature was introduced? I've got a sneaking suspicion that a full half of them are Sergey and clearly that calls for further research!

313 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:51:37am

re: #312 Simply Sarah

Me and b_sharp. We're a team of nickshifters!

314 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:51:46am

re: #310 ggt

So, last night I shared some of my jello with Old Man Dog.

All I can say is that it WAS SO FUNNY. I don't have the vocabulary or the literary talent to accurately describe it.

Something between, "oh, Mom, thanks for the food" & "Wait, it doesn't melt, it doesn't crunch, it's sweet and kinda wet--Well, Mom's eating hers . .I just don't know ."

Heh. My ketten, Zoe, has noticed me eating kohlrabi leaves in the greenhouse and decided to eat them too. Last night I crawled into bed to discover she spent her day picking kohlrabi leaves and putting them on my bed. Very sweet.

315 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:52:21am

re: #310 ggt

I bet he begged it out of you too.

316 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:52:30am

re: #314 Killgore Trout

Heh. My ketten, Zoe, has noticed me eating kohlrabi leaves in the greenhouse and decided to eat them too. Last night I crawled into bed to discover she spent her day picking kohlrabi leaves and putting them on my bed. Very sweet.

What a good friend!

One needs nice kohlrabi leaves to sleep comfortably.

317 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:52:43am

re: #315 I'm a Mavrik!

I bet he begged it out of you too.

It's the eyes.

318 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:52:58am

re: #314 Killgore Trout

Heh. My ketten, Zoe, has noticed me eating kohlrabi leaves in the greenhouse and decided to eat them too. Last night I crawled into bed to discover she spent her day picking kohlrabi leaves and putting them on my bed. Very sweet.

OK, now eat bacon...///

319 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:53:32am

re: #313 I'm a Mavrik!

Me and b_sharp. We're a team of nickshifters!

Oh yeah! I almost forgot about c_natural. You two are probably 80%, at least.

320 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:53:51am

re: #314 Killgore Trout

Heh. My ketten, Zoe, has noticed me eating kohlrabi leaves in the greenhouse and decided to eat them too. Last night I crawled into bed to discover she spent her day picking kohlrabi leaves and putting them on my bed. Very sweet.

That's great. I used to have a cat that left dead mice in my bed.

321 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:56:08am

re: #210 Simply Sarah
"re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

This is getting worse by the day.

Secret Service probing foreign hard-partying allegations going back to 2000

Can't say I'm really surprised. The idea that the recent event was a one-off occurrence was pretty risible."

Secret Service partying with ladies other than their significant others after going off duty was occurring in the 1970s, but to the best of my knowledge, it involved groupies and not prostitutes.

Why pay for sex, when it was available for free.

322 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:56:42am

re: #320 NJDhockeyfan

That's great. I used to have a cat that left dead mice in my bed.

Why did you eat dead mice in front of your cat? //

323 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:57:28am

re: #322 I'm a Mavrik!

Why did you eat dead mice in front of your cat? //

Al Sharpton told him to.

//

324 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:57:45am

re: #321 BeenHereAwhile

"re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

This is getting worse by the day.

Secret Service probing foreign hard-partying allegations going back to 2000

Can't say I'm really surprised. The idea that the recent event was a one-off occurrence was pretty risible."

Secret Service partying with ladies other than their significant others after going off duty was occurring in the 1970s, but to the best of my knowledge, it involved groupies and not prostitutes.

Why pay for sex, when it was available for free.

I don't like it when people party to that extent on my money. Off Duty or On.

Is it hypocritical to think that my tax dollars (if they were on duty or out of the country on an expense account) should be involved in prostitution.

325 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:58:39am

re: #320 NJDhockeyfan

That's great. I used to have a cat that left dead mice in my bed.

When I lived in Arizona I had a cat that used to do that with geckos. I was really stumped because she was an indoor cat and I couldn't figure out where she was getting them from. I came home one day and saw her paw sticking out from a gap under the front door just flailing around aimlessly fishing for passing geckos.

326 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:58:50am

re: #321 BeenHereAwhile

"re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

This is getting worse by the day.

Secret Service probing foreign hard-partying allegations going back to 2000

Can't say I'm really surprised. The idea that the recent event was a one-off occurrence was pretty risible."

Secret Service partying with ladies other than their significant others after going off duty was occurring in the 1970s, but to the best of my knowledge, it involved groupies and not prostitutes.

Why pay for sex, when it was available for free.

Well, perhaps the groupies are just for when they're here in the States. When outside the country, I suppose they need other options.

327 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:59:20am

re: #323 Gus

Al Sharpton told him to.

//

Not an excuse. Al Sharpton telepathically tells me to do scary stuff each 15 minutes. And I don't do most of it! ///

328 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:59:35am

EPA official apologizes for use of word 'crucify'

Carney denied that. He said Armendariz's comments were "inaccurate as a representation of, or characterization of the way that the EPA has operated under President Obama."

Oil and gas production on federal lands and waters have increased since Obama took office, he said.

Later Thursday, Republican Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott issued a statement saying the administration was "more worried about aggressively advancing its radical agenda (than) fostering job growth and expanding our economy."

329 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:00:43am

Romney rescues capsized boaters
Jul 06, 2003

Waltham — Gov. Mitt Romney rode to the rescue over the weekend during a vacation trip -- using his Jet Ski to help pluck a New Jersey family and their dog out of Lake Winnipesaukee after their boat sank.

...The governor pulled the two younger women aboard his three-seater Jet Ski and zoomed back to shore, while his sons helped the mother of the family onto their vehicle.

In the middle of the rescue, the governor actually took a dunking himself -- thrown off the Jet Ski as one anxious boater scrambled aboard and tipped the craft off-balance.

The rescuing Romneys also managed to snatch the family dog, McKenzie, from a watery grave -- grabbing the Scottish terrier first because it was the only passenger without a lifejacket.

"It looked like it wasn't going to last much longer," said Josh, who held the waterlogged pooch on the ride back to shore.

With Josh and Craig hovering nearby, the three men treaded water until the governor returned and made two more trips to ferry them back.

Wait a minute, I thought Mitt hates dogs. This must be a fabricated story!

330 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:01:46am

re: #322 I'm a Mavrik!

That are great wrapped in bacon ;)

331 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:01:57am

re: #327 I'm a Mavrik!

Not an excuse. Al Sharpton telepathically tells me to do scary stuff each 15 minutes. And I don't do most of it! ///

Not true. Everyone knows Eat mice in front of your cat. that subliminal messaging works almost 99 percent Eat mice in front of your cat. of the time. This has been proven time and time again in either laboratory settings Eat mice in front of your cat. or through commercial Eat mice in front of your cat. advertising whether it be on radio or television. It even Eat mice in front of your cat. works in the print medium.

332 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:02:27am

re: #329 NJDhockeyfan

The Seamus story is not about hatred, but about cluelessness, most of all. That said, kudos to Romney for this incident.

333 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:03:13am

Video in question regarding the EPA.

IMHO, Non-troversy.

334 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:03:31am

re: #322 I'm a Mavrik!

Why did you eat dead mice in front of your cat? //

And how does he hold their little legs?

335 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:03:57am

re: #324 ggt

I don't like it when people party to that extent on my money. Off Duty or On.

Is it hypocritical to think that my tax dollars (if they were on duty or out of the country on an expense account) should be involved in prostitution.

Has it been determined that they were actually treating this as a travel/"business" expense? I admit to not really following this story all that carefully, beyond the fact that apparently they weren't doing anything actually illegal in those countries. I mean, there are obviously other things involved that make the actions a problem but I'm curious.

336 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:03:58am

re: #332 I'm a Mavrik!

The Seamus story is not about hatred, but about cluelessness, most of all. That said, kudos to Romney for this incident.

I'm reminded of that scene in "The Contender" where the governor is fishing under a bridge and someone drives off the bridge.

337 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:05:27am
338 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:05:51am

re: #335 Simply Sarah

Has it been determined that they were actually treating this as a travel/"business" expense? I admit to not really following this story all that carefully, beyond the fact that apparently they weren't doing anything actually illegal in those countries. I mean, there are obviously other things involved that make the actions a problem but I'm curious.

We shall see as it unfolds. I have a feeling that the first "scandal" was legal and off the tax-payer books. With the plethora of stuff that seems to be being uncovered . . . .

339 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:06:45am

re: #338 ggt

We shall see as it unfolds. I have a feeling that the first "scandal" was legal and off the tax-payer books. With the plethora of stuff that seems to be being uncovered . . .

And, of course, there's a rather large difference between something being legal and something being proper.

340 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:07:36am

re: #339 Simply Sarah

And, of course, there's a rather large difference between something being legal and something being proper.

I think being out-of-the country on assignment with the POTUS counts as being on my dime.

341 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:07:59am

re: #340 ggt

I think being out-of-the country on assignment with the POTUS counts as being on my dime.

Fair enough!

342 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:11:04am

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Good sentiment but the song is hogwash. "World where – every sister and every brother – shall live together – like small children of the rainbow," can be filed under 'never going to happen', not till Jesus returns. But it's what you'd expect from Peter Seeger.

Premise A: never going to happen.

Premise B: not till Jesus returns.

Conclusion: Jesus will never return.

:P

343 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:11:59am

re: #342 I'm a Mavrik!

Premise A: never going to happen.

Premise B: not till Jesus returns.

Conclusion: Jesus will never return.

:P

We have a winner!

344 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:15:56am

re: #261 Gus

Douche bag Teabaggers suddenly discover that Ayn Rand was an atheist:

[Embedded content]

He's a fucking liar:

"The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand," Ryan said at a D.C. gathering four years ago honoring the author of "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead." ...

345 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:16:41am

re: #344 Amory Blaine

He's a fucking liar:

LOL

347 Amory Blaine  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:20:49am

Stole this comment:

“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”

348 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:20:56am
349 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:21:06am
350 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:21:17am

Sorry Lizards, you are going to have to change your summer travel plans ;0

Netherlands judge backs cafe cannabis ban

Protesters in Amsterdam smoked marijuana joints as they campaigned against the proposed ban

A judge in the Netherlands has upheld a new law to ban foreign tourists from entering cannabis cafes.

351 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:22:16am

re: #349 Assemble!

Zerg rush.

OK, whats the deal with the death 'O's" on that Google Page?

352 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:23:02am
353 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:23:53am

re: #350 ggt

Sorry Lizards, you are going to have to change your summer travel plans ;0

Heh, I'll be in Amsterdam soon. Then again, I never inhaled nor do I intend to start ;)

354 Kragar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:24:17am
355 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:24:22am

re: #351 ggt

OK, whats the deal with the death 'O's" on that Google Page?

You caught a virus.

356 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:24:40am
357 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:25:18am

Detroit Tigers' Delmon Young arrested in NYC for aggravated harassment and allegedly using an anti-Semitic slur. Was taken to Roosevelt Hospital for intoxication.

Young has previously been known for throwing a baseball bat an ump after disagreeing on a called strike 3.

358 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:25:54am

Am I the only one to find this ad creepy?

[Link: tpc.googlesyndication.com...]

359 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:26:10am

I think Brat Puppy has turned a corner. He seems, the past couple of days, to enjoy standing still and having his ears scratched.

360 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:26:38am

re: #358 I'm a Mavrik!

Am I the only one to find this ad creepy?

[Link: tpc.googlesyndication.com...]

Yeah, the barbed wire in the background is a bit --dystopian?

361 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:27:03am

re: #357 lawhawk

Detroit Tigers' Delmon Young arrested in NYC for aggravated harassment and allegedly using an anti-Semitic slur. Was taken to Roosevelt Hospital for intoxication.

Young has previously been known for throwing a baseball bat an ump after disagreeing on a called strike 3.

Gibson syndrome is spreading?

362 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:27:37am

re: #329 NJDhockeyfan

Romney rescues capsized boaters
Jul 06, 2003

Wait a minute, I thought Mitt hates dogs. This must be a fabricated story!

Maybe he ate it later.

363 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:27:47am

re: #360 ggt

Yeah, the barbed wire in the background is a bit --dystopian?

Not to mention the threat to freedom in the foreground.

364 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:27:55am

re: #359 ggt

I think Brat Puppy has turned a corner. He seems, the past couple of days, to enjoy standing still and having his ears scratched.

The name is a misnomer then!

365 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:28:17am

re: #351 ggt

OK, whats the deal with the death 'O's" on that Google Page?

It's an homage to Starcraft, nevermind what Kragar has to say on the matter...

366 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:28:45am

re: #364 I'm a Mavrik!

The name is a misnomer then!

We'll wait a few more days before we make that decision. . . .

:0

367 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:29:54am

re: #365 Assemble!

It's an homage to Starcraft, nevermind what Kragar has to say on the matter...

I NEVER mind Kragar

:0

368 Kragar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:30:30am

re: #365 Assemble!

It's an homage to Starcraft, nevermind what Kragar has to say on the matter...

Yeah, its a homage to lazy people who enjoy cheap imitations of cool things, like he said.

369 Kragar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:31:32am

re: #367 ggt

I NEVER mind Kragar

:0

Commence with the ruing.

370 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:31:44am

re: #367 ggt

I NEVER mind Kragar

:0

Indeed. I never mind even my own business, why would I mind anyone else? /

371 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:33:40am

re: #368 Kragar

Yeah, its a homage to lazy people who enjoy cheap imitations of cool things, like he said.

372 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:34:14am

Whenever I see "Kragar" this always comes to mind.

don't know why.

373 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:35:28am

re: #372 ggt

Whenever I see "Kragar" this always comes to mind.

don't know why.

I still have his lizard lounging pic in my mind when I see his name.

374 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:36:11am

I DON'T EVEN what to know why comes to mind when people see "ggt".

DON'T TELL ME.

375 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:36:35am

bbiab

376 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:36:58am

re: #372 ggt

Whenever I see "Kragar" this always comes to mind.

don't know why.

And I'm reminded of Kronar. (Don't google.)

//

377 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:40:28am

re: #376 I'm a Mavrik!

And I'm reminded of Kronar. (Don't google.)

//

Don't think of an elephant.

378 Kragar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:48:26am

re: #377 Assemble!

Don't think of an elephant.

It just popped in there.

379 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:49:15am

re: #356 ggt

Heh. Good article. Part of my job is color matching. But in 14k or 18k gold, which costs more than $1000 per ounce. "oops" is a very expensive word at my work.

380 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:50:05am

Bolton derp!

381 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:50:45am

Uh Mr. Bolton. They laughed because they were thinking penis.

382 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:51:55am

re: #381 Gus

Uh Mr. Bolton. They laughed because they were thinking penis.

Your explanation does not seem plausible. Why would the students think of Bolton? /

383 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:54:53am

Duh-e:

BOLTON: But I thought the best part of it was at one point, trying to appropriate yet another Republican president, Biden said, ‘you have to speak softly and carry a big stick.’ And then he said, ‘I promise you, President Obama has a big stick.’ And the audience broke out laughing, which is some measure of their belief about how assertive Obama is on behalf of our interests internationally.

VAN SUSTEREN: Yes, it’s — apparently, that’s also going to — that’s made a couple — a lot of — a lot of jokes, too, on the Internet. It is — apparently, that is something that’s not going to go away, at least for a while, for Vice President Biden, that remark.

BOLTON: Yet another one.

384 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:55:00am

re: #380 Gus

But I thought the best part of it was at one point, trying to appropriate yet another Republican president, Biden said, ‘you have to speak softly and carry a big stick.’

Haven't they disowned Teddy by now?

385 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:55:49am

re: #384 Assemble!

Haven't they disowned Teddy by now?

Yep. Or at least they should have. Maybe they haven't gotten the memo like with Ayn Rand.

386 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:56:15am

re: #383 Gus

Duh-e:

Greta was trying to disguise that she got it and Bolton didn't.

387 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:56:48am

OT Drive-by:

Wayyy cool live video feed, nice quality!

388 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:59:15am

re: #381 Gus

Uh Mr. Bolton. They laughed because they were thinking penis.

I wonder why.

Probably my favorite Obama picture.

389 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 10:59:20am

re: #387 CuriousLurker

OT Drive-by:

Wayyy cool live video feed, nice quality!

[Embedded content]

Wow, what planet is that?

/

390 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:00:30am

re: #389 wrenchwench

Wow, what planet is that?

/

Amazing critters down there! O_o

391 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:02:32am

re: #390 CuriousLurker

Amazing critters down there! O_o

Yeah, I thought they saw a rock, and they zoomed in and it has pretty pink tentacles!

392 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:04:15am

Okay...this Ocean Explorer video is addicting...

393 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:04:44am

You know, some might attack Bolton for cynically twisting the crowd's reaction and interpretation of Biden's words to better fit his narrative. I will stand up in his defense and argue that John is innocent, and really is that clueless.

394 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:05:35am

re: #393 Assemble!

You know, some might attack Bolton for cynically twisting the crowd's reaction and interpretation of Biden's words to better fit his narrative. I will stand up in his defense and argue that John is innocent, and really is that clueless.

Clueless, yes. Innocent, not so much.

395 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:08:00am

fish!

396 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:08:37am

re: #394 wrenchwench

Clueless, yes. Innocent, not so much.

I was half-joking, but I really don't think he saw the humor that the audience did. I'm not saying he didn't find it funny, I'm saying he didn't see it at all.

397 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:09:45am

re: #396 Assemble!

I was half-joking, but I really don't think he saw the humor that the audience did. I'm not saying he didn't find it funny, I'm saying he didn't see it at all.

Come on, you were wholly joking. And rightly so, and I agree with you.

398 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:10:44am

re: #396 Assemble!

I was half-joking, but I really don't think he saw the humor that the audience did. I'm not saying he didn't find it funny, I'm saying he didn't see it at all.

And I thought you were b_sharp. Damn those changeable nics!

399 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:12:20am

Fish!

Be funny if they came across bin Laden's chewed up corpse...except he was dumped in a different gulf.

400 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:12:20am

re: #395 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

fish!

I just keep seeing these blue cell phones!

//

401 Kragar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:12:35am

Fox News Analyst Apologizes For Sandra Fluke Comment

Regret my tweeted question caused a stir. I certainly & unequivocally apologize to Sandra & anyone else I offended. Not my intention.

402 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:13:06am

re: #401 Kragar

Fox News Analyst Apologizes For Sandra Fluke Comment

Fuck her...she's still a nasty idiot.

403 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:13:23am

re: #398 wrenchwench

And I thought you were b_sharp. Damn those changeable nics!

We are Legion.

404 Mocking Jay  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:14:25am

re: #402 darthstar (click me, I dare ya)

Fuck her...

Not even with your dick.

405 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:14:57am

re: #391 wrenchwench

Yeah, I thought they saw a rock, and they zoomed in and it has pretty pink tentacles!

There was an incredible red jellyfish swimming past when I first started watching. This could become a major time-sucker. //

406 Simply Sarah  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:15:06am

Woo! My friend's game has finally been released on Steam.

407 Kragar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:15:37am

Another Wiener scandal

You probably have never heard of New Mexico politician Michael Wiener. Neither had a Seattle photographer when he ran into him one night last month in a Philippines sex district.

Wiener was spending time in the Angeles City red light district when he apparently stopped a photographer on the street to take a picture of him posing with a quartet of scantily clad women in an area well known as a hub of prostitution.

It turned out, however, the photographer was not just some American tourist taking in the sights. He was a professional photographer named John Keatley, who was in the country documenting the sex tourism industry.

Now, the Bernalillo County commissioner and ex-state senator is facing questions about what exactly he was doing there after the photographer posted the photos online along with a description of the encounter.

408 darthstar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:16:13am

Okay...time to scoot off to the pool for a swim, then a lunch meeting with a former colleague and a few of his new co-workers...apparently he's been talking shit about me and now their VP wants to talk to me in person.

409 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:17:23am

re: #401 Kragar

Fox News Analyst Apologizes For Sandra Fluke Comment

Regret my tweeted question caused a stir. I certainly & unequivocally apologize to Sandra & anyone else I offended. Not my intention.

If her intention was not to offend, then she's even stupider than I thought. And her intention must have been something even worse...

410 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:18:13am

Hey, medical and academic types.

I'm late with this paper. There was a particular twist I couldn't answer. I wrestled mightily with it. And I finally found a paper that answered my questions.

Unfortunately, it's the case study we're working on. THE EXACT ONE. All the fake names and details are the same.

Is it polite to simply reference this paper without mentioning that it's the same case?

411 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:19:10am

re: #405 CuriousLurker

There was an incredible red jellyfish swimming past when I first started watching. This could become a major time-sucker. //

I hate it when those jellyfish become timesuckers.

Off to work for a bit.

412 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:22:23am

Safeway then a nap or nap then Safeway? I must decide.

413 Obdicut  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:22:52am

re: #410 SanFranciscoZionist

I really think it'd be best to acknowledge it was the same case study. It's material that it is.

414 Kragar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:23:43am

re: #412 Gus

Safeway then a nap or nap then Safeway? I must decide.

Split the difference. Take a nap at Safeway.

415 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:24:40am

re: #379 Daniel Ballard

Heh. Good article. Part of my job is color matching. But in 14k or 18k gold, which costs more than $1000 per ounce. "oops" is a very expensive word at my work.

I worked at a paint store in college --back before computer color matching. You mixed the paint, but a finger dob on a piece of paper and dried it with a hair dryer. I got to where I could match in 3 or less tries.

It was fun.

416 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:25:17am

re: #414 Kragar

Split the difference. Take a nap at Safeway.

Hmm. That might be the way to go. Get one of the scooters, fall asleep while doing donuts in the middle of an aisle.

417 Kragar  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:26:45am

re: #416 Gus

Hmm. That might be the way to go. Get one of the scooters, fall asleep while doing donuts in the middle of an aisle.

Seems like the bakery would be the best place for donuts.

418 Gus  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:27:28am

re: #417 Kragar

Seems like the bakery would be the best place for donuts.

I am looking at you.

419 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 11:28:04am

re: #387 CuriousLurker

OT Drive-by:

Wayyy cool live video feed, nice quality!

[Embedded content]

How freakin' cool!

420 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 3:09:38pm

re: #226 NJDhockeyfan

It's pathetic with all the violent attacks happening. The MSM should be reporting comments and interviews from people like Bill Cosby instead of race baiters like Sharpton and Jackson.

We know how afraid you are of black people who don't mimic white people on sitcoms!

let it all out, it's okay


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