Anti-Choice Group Edits Out Planned Parenthood Adoption Discussion

Creative editing, a la Andrew Breitbart
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The full unedited video of anti-choice group Live Action’s latest Planned Parenthood hit job shows something very interesting: Cutting Room Floor: Live Action Edited Out Adoption Discussion.

The edited video leaves the following on the cutting room floor:

  • The employee asked the activist, “And have you guys — you know, ‘cause we’re required to discuss all of the, you know, a patient’s options — is adoption something that you were interested in considering?” [53:45]
  • After the activist claimed she used a test designed to identify the sex of a fetus early in a pregnancy, the employee responded, “I’m also a social worker and not a medical provider, so, you know, so from, you know, my role here, that isn’t something I’ve ever heard of.” [40:10]
  • The employee asked the activist, “And have you decided that you — you know, have you definitely decided that you would like to terminate your pregnancy?” [38:40]
  • The activist asked whether Planned Parenthood had an OB/GYN it would “specifically … recommend” who “would be understanding of my situation.” The employee responded, “I really — no, I don’t really know of an OB/GYN prenatal doctor who — I can tell you that they do prenatal care. I can tell you that they, you know, that they would be able to do these tests for you. I can’t really say that there’s going to be someone in particular who is going to be necessarily understanding. Most OB/GYN doctors, hopefully, you know, are understanding that it’s a woman’s choice to decide if she’s interested in adoption, if she’s interested in prenatal care, if she’s interested in terminating. And whatever somebody’s decision is for having an abortion is really her choice.” [49:30]

They’ve learned quite a bit from the tactics of Andrew Breitbart and James O’Keefe; most importantly, that the initial releases of their creepy undercover videos are covered much more widely than their inevitable debunking. Bottom feeder politics, go for the throat, ethics be damned — that’s Andrew Breitbart’s legacy of dishonesty.

Here’s the complete video at YouTube:

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853 comments
1 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:21:43pm

This was expected all along. I’m just glad that the full video got out there so quickly. Yet the usual outlets are running with the slurring propaganda version, of course.

2 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:23:29pm

re: #1 freetoken

But, but, librul media!

3 researchok  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:28:03pm

This needs wide distribution.

There are people out there, through no fault of their own, who have been indoctrinated to believe PP is evil incarnate.

That is the real evil- the belief that deceit in the name of God is acceptable.

I take no issue with anyone who is pro life- it is their right to believe what they will. I do take issue with deceit in furtherance of that or any agenda.

They need to be called out on that, always. You wanna play, you gotta pay.

4 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:28:31pm

re: #2 erik_t

Yeah, like Ed Morrissey, who runs a full on propaganda campaign on behalf of the deceptive editing. The idiot commenters over there seem totally oblivious that they are watching manipulated video.

And of course Morrissey is the last one to want the truth, as being on the Salem teat gives him what he wants.

5 JRCMYP  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:30:59pm

Thanks for paying attention and posting this Charles.

6 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:33:11pm

At this point, the independents aren’t going to be swayed by a James O’Keefe video. I think they are singing to the choir anyway.

7 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:36:48pm

re: #6 ggt

Propaganda is often targeted to one’s own in-group.

8 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:38:32pm

Seriously, how many bullshit stories like this does the media have to get embarrassed by before they stop playing such “sting” videos without question?

9 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:38:37pm

This is really growing pathetic.

10 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:40:58pm

I really hope PP keeps on fighting back. I understand opposition to abortion. I really do but the full out attack on PP is just disgusting considering the good things PP does for many women.

11 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:41:15pm

I don’t know what is worse, the crappy Big Mac I just ate or the dishonesty of the, mostly, Christian right anti-choice activists?

Actually the burger wasn’t half bad.

12 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:43:07pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

Seriously, how many bullshit stories like this does the media have to get embarrassed by before they stop playing such “sting” videos without question?

THEY DON’T CARE

The media sells space to advertisers, that’s the only thing that matters

news doesn’t make money, advertising space makes money

13 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:43:52pm

re: #12 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

THEY DON’T CARE

The media sells space to advertisers, that’s the only thing that matters

Bingo —it’s a product.

14 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:43:52pm

Most Americans are not paying attention.

Most of the 100 million or so who will vote this November will not have been paying attention, at least to the details.

Slick advertisements work.

Propaganda works.

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Any organization needs, in these days, to understand that they are in fierce competition for their survival against an onslaught of competitors who are vying for superiority of place in our society. I fear that PP, like so many organizations which have been dependent upon a general liberalization of American society the past 4 decades, have become complacent in light of the stiff, religious, and zealous (unto death) opposition.

15 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:44:14pm

re: #12 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

THEY DON’T CARE

The media sells space to advertisers, that’s the only thing that matters

Money talks, walks and gives blow jobs.

16 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:45:19pm

so how long before one of these freaks bombs another clinic

17 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:46:00pm

re: #14 freetoken

Most Americans are not paying attention.

Most of the 100 million or so who will vote this November will not have been paying attention, at least to the details.

Slick advertisements work.

Propaganda works.

Not paying full attention, but you can be sure that they’re keeping at least half an ear to this stuff. So that, when you bring up that Romney wants to defund PP, there will many of those voters who will go “Hey, aren’t those the guys who do gender-based abortions?”

18 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:47:21pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

Not paying full attention, but you can be sure that they’re keeping at least half an ear to this stuff. So that, when you bring up that Romney wants to defund PP, there will many of those voters who will go “Hey, aren’t those the guys who do gender-based abortions?”

I think the number of people with personal and positive experiences with Planned Parenthood considerably outnumber those who would remember this sort of sound bite in six months.

19 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:47:48pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

A major tool used in advertisement and propaganda is repetition. Whether an assertion is true or not, if it is repeated often enough people will believe it. There is much research that has been done on these type of things.

The continual stream of propaganda by Lila Rose and others will work, just like it did against ACORN.

20 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:48:50pm

re: #16 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

so how long before one of these freaks bombs another clinic

All the anti-woman legislation being passed out there will either satisfy them they are winning or it will give them courage to join the violent rhetoric with real violence. Most likely we’ll see some of both.

21 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:49:27pm

re: #19 freetoken

A major tool used in advertisement and propaganda is repetition. Whether an assertion is true or not, if it is repeated often enough people will believe it. There is much research that has been done on these type of things.

The continual stream of propaganda by Lila Rose and others will work, just like it did against ACORN.

Right, but the ACORN propaganda was exposed. People do remember that. They are also cognizant of the fact that Obama is not a Communist Muslim. Many of us who bought into the BS are rather embarrassed and not willing to believe so easily again.

I think there are a lot of us.

22 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:49:34pm

Fuck, I forgot to get myself a chocolate bar.

23 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:49:43pm

re: #18 erik_t

I think the number of people with personal and positive experiences with Planned Parenthood considerably outnumber those who would remember this sort of sound bite in six months.

I’d like to believe that, but I’m cynical enough to think there’s enough women who have had experiences with PP who will look at this “sting” video and think “Golly, I never knew that was going on!”

24 gwangung  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:49:59pm

re: #19 freetoken

A major tool used in advertisement and propaganda is repetition. Whether an assertion is true or not, if it is repeated often enough people will believe it. There is much research that has been done on these type of things.

The continual stream of propaganda by Lila Rose and others will work, just like it did against ACORN.

This only works in an information void.

If people have counter experiences (especially first hand experience), if there’s word already out, if people know there are LOTS of people who think differently, propaganda doesn’t work.

25 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:51:05pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

I’d like to believe that, but I’m cynical enough to think there’s enough women who have had experiences with PP who will look at this “sting” video and think “Golly, I never knew that was going on!”

With humans it’s always safe to assume the road most travelled will be the low road.

26 researchok  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:51:28pm

re: #14 freetoken

Companies pay millions of dollars for 30 second Superbowl commercials in the belief they can- and will influence decisions and perceptions. If they knew that not to be true they wouldn’t spend the money.

Imagine what you can do with thousands of hours of propaganda- and a culture/belief system that reinforces a particular agenda.

27 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:51:52pm

re: #24 gwangung

This only works in an information void.

If people have counter experiences (especially first hand experience), if there’s word already out, if people know there are LOTS of people who think differently, propaganda doesn’t work.

And the information void is the Faux News Choir. They enjoy singing to themselves.

28 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:52:46pm

re: #24 gwangung

This only works in an information void.

If people have counter experiences (especially first hand experience), if there’s word already out, if people know there are LOTS of people who think differently, propaganda doesn’t work.

Disagree. These techniques work, period. When there is competing claims the complexity that results may mean the results are mixed, but they are there. That is why our lives are dominated, in this culture, by advertisements.

And, I’ve personally had no interaction with PP during my life. I can’t think of anyone I know closely who has. PP is not ubiquitous in our society.

29 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:53:34pm

re: #21 ggt

Right, but the ACORN propaganda was exposed. People do remember that. They are also cognizant of the fact that Obama is not a Communist Muslim. Many of us who bought into the BS are rather embarrassed and not willing to believe so easily again.

I think there are a lot of us.

A lie repeated often enough begins to sound like the truth. I’ve got more than a few wingnuts in my immediate circle who still talk about the ACORN videos as being completely legit. And more than a few non-wingnuts who, hearing the wingnuts jibber on, are likewise convinced as to the legitimacy.

30 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:53:51pm

re: #28 freetoken

Disagree. These techniques work, period. When there is competing claims the complexity that results may mean the results are mixed, but they are there. That is why our lives are dominated, in this culture, by advertisements.

And, I’ve personally had no interaction with PP during my life. I can’t think of anyone I know closely who has. PP is not ubiquitous in our society.

Most women don’t discuss where they go for their exams, etc. You would probably have no way of knowing if a woman you know used PP.

31 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:54:34pm

re: #30 ggt

Most women don’t discuss where they go for their exams, etc. You would probably have no way of knowing if a woman you know used PP.

Granted that. But in my family I’ve never known anyone who has.

32 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:55:01pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

A lie repeated often enough begins to sound like the truth. I’ve got more than a few wingnuts in my immediate circle who still talk about the ACORN videos as being completely legit. And more than a few non-wingnuts who, hearing the wingnuts jibber on, are likewise convinced as to the legitimacy.

and they don’t care if they were fraudulent or not because ACORN was a “coooomunist organization”.

/gah

33 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:56:24pm

People find it much harder to change their mind once they’ve accepted something as fact than they do accepting any tidbit, no matter how illogical, as fact if it comes from a trusted authority.

34 gwangung  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:56:27pm

re: #28 freetoken

Disagree. These techniques work, period. When there is competing claims the complexity that results may mean the results are mixed, but they are there. That is why our lives are dominated, in this culture, by advertisements.

And, I’ve personally had no interaction with PP during my life. I can’t think of anyone I know closely who has. PP is not ubiquitous in our society.

They work in limited areas. They are not magic bullets (see the magic bullet hypothesis in marketing theory). Just look at the literature.

They work in areas where people are unfamiliar with the topic and where they care little and where the differences are not huge. In advertising, these techniques work best for low involvement products where the costs are low and people don’t care about this.

This was my area of research in grad school, and I don’t think the field’s changed that much in the intervening time.

35 webevintage  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:57:04pm

re: #28 freetoken

And, I’ve personally had no interaction with PP during my life. I can’t think of anyone I know closely who has. PP is not ubiquitous in our society.

I think you would be surprised how many women you know, who at some point in their life have used PP for birth control or a pregnancy test or a cheap pap smear.

36 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:57:49pm

Cheap Pap Smear - band name of the future.

37 researchok  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:57:53pm

re: #28 freetoken

Absolutely- substance is never the real issue- it is the perception of credibility that matters most.

Tom Selleck and George Foreman, for example, elicit lots of trust- and that’s why the products they endorse, sell.

I don’t see marketing people lining up to give Sean Hannity a job as a product spokesperson.

38 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:58:02pm

re: #35 webevintage

I think you would be surprised how many women you know, who at some point in their life have used PP for birth control or a pregnancy test or a cheap pap smear.

You’d be surprised to know how many women you know have had an abortion.

39 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:58:02pm

re: #16 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

so how long before one of these freaks bombs another clinic

Not nearly as likely as it used to be. The FBI is very good at sniffing out such plots and the Department of Homeland Security has its own Office of Bombing Prevention that works with all levels of law enforcement to prevent such acts of terrorism.

40 HoosierHoops  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:58:17pm

re: #35 webevintage

*waves* Good to see you

41 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:58:36pm

re: #32 ggt

and they don’t care if they were fraudulent or not because ACORN was a “cooomunist organization”.

/gah

Pretty much. Wingnut A asserts during discussion that ACORN was totally discredited by the videos and it falling apart justified. Clueless A asks what ACORN was and what the videos entailed. Wingnut proceeds to tell Clueless about the “evils” of ACORN, how it was a totally rotten and fraudulent group, and how the videos exposed it engaged in illegal and immoral acts. Clueless A, curious to learn more, goes online and ends up pulling up numerous wingnut sites showing the videos and further detailing how “bad” ACORN was.

Result: Clueless A becomes convinced ACORN was bad, was immoral, and that it being torn down was a good thing.

42 gwangung  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:58:43pm

BTW….if propaganda is so effective, how come WE don’t get affected by watching this stuff?

43 webevintage  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:58:44pm

re: #40 HoosierHoops

*waves* Good to see you

*waves back* hiya!

44 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 6:58:49pm

re: #37 researchok

Absolutely- substance is never the real issue- it is the perception of credibility that matters most.

Tom Selleck and George Foreman, for example, elicit lots of trust- and that’s why the products they endorses, sell.

I don’t see marketing people lining up to give Sean Hannity a job as a product spokesperson.

Sean Hannity shouldn’t be given a job working at McDonalds.

45 Stanghazi  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:00:07pm

re: #35 webevintage

I think you would be surprised how many women you know, who at some point in their life have used PP for birth control or a pregnancy test or a cheap pap smear.

Or an abortion. Surprise surprise surprise!

46 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:00:16pm

re: #42 gwangung

BTW…if propaganda is so effective, how come WE don’t get affected by watching this stuff?

A. Because we tend to get enough info here posted from a wide enough variety of sources to overcome it.

B. Because LGF poster are already smarter and better informed than most people.

47 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:00:21pm

re: #44 b_sharp

Sean Hannity shouldn’t be given a job working at McDonalds.

True we’d have to hear about how Wendy’s is socialist when we’re trying to just order a Big Mac and relax.

48 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:00:30pm

re: #42 gwangung

BTW…if propaganda is so effective, how come WE don’t get affected by watching this stuff?

Stubborn assholes never change their minds.

49 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:02:11pm

re: #42 gwangung

BTW…if propaganda is so effective, how come WE don’t get affected by watching this stuff?

I wager to suggest that propaganda’s biggest effect is on people uncertain on something. We’re not going to buy this crap about Planned Parenthood because we know the reality of this but someone who is unsure about PP and just watches the edited video being presented as fact, they’re much more likely to buy it. Plus propaganda has the effect of re-enforcing true believers too.

50 Interesting Times  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:02:33pm

re: #21 ggt

Check this out - almost sounds like something you could have written yourself:

From Kaiser Family Foundation.

Three in ten women (31 percent) overall believe that there is currently a “wide-scale effort to limit women’s reproductive health choices and services, such as abortion, family planning, and contraception” in the U.S. A larger share (45 percent) say there are some groups that would like to limit women’s reproductive health choices and services but it is not a wide-scale effort, while others volunteer that no such effort exists (7 percent) or decline to offer an opinion (17 percent)

I live in Kansas and even women out here get outraged, when they hear about it. I’ve been posting on Facebook, tweeting and talking about this to other women. So many of them just don’t pay attention to what’s going on, and it’s to their detriment to be uninformed about it.
Get out there and talk about it.

51 Stanghazi  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:03:14pm

re: #42 gwangung

BTW…if propaganda is so effective, how come WE don’t get affected by watching this stuff?

Ask my so smart in every way dad. Fox news victim.

52 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:03:24pm

re: #42 gwangung

BTW…if propaganda is so effective, how come WE don’t get affected by watching this stuff?

I don’t know how many older lizards I can speak for, but I certainly bought into more than my fair share of propaganda in the Post-9/11 days about Islam, Islamic terrorism, and other associated topics.

It’s like HW said, those ignorant on a subject are more likely to buy into crap than those who’ve have personal experience/knowledge.

53 researchok  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:05:04pm

re: #44 b_sharp

He is the classic propagandist.

I read somewhere to be considered credible when promoting an agenda, you have to stand firm 2/3 of the time and give your adversary credit 1/3 of the time.

People respect and are willing to follow the ‘imperfect’ precisely because they are imperfect- because in fact, they are just like them.

People will follow those they believe share their values- and they are most suspect of dogmatic ‘leaders.’

54 Amory Blaine  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:06:00pm

I don’t think truthfulness matters to the target audience.

55 Kragar  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:06:39pm

re: #54 Amory Blaine

I don’t think truthfulness matters to the target audience.

It never has before.

56 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:07:27pm

re: #3 researchok

This needs wide distribution.

There are people out there, through no fault of their own, who have been indoctrinated to believe PP is evil incarnate.

That is the real evil- the belief that deceit in the name of God is acceptable.

I take no issue with anyone who is pro life- it is their right to believe what they will. I do take issue with deceit in furtherance of that or any agenda.

They need to be called out on that, always. You wanna play, you gotta pay.

I would think that you, of all people, could fault people for not doing their own research.

57 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:08:16pm

Not to violate Godwin here you guys but I think the fact that the Nazis went from fringe party and movement following the Beer Putsch to in power in under ten years shows you something about the worth of propaganda.

58 Amory Blaine  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:09:40pm

re: #26 researchok

Companies pay millions of dollars for 30 second Superbowl commercials in the belief they can- and will influence decisions and perceptions. If they knew that not to be true they wouldn’t spend the money.

Imagine what you can do with thousands of hours of propaganda- and a culture/belief system that reinforces a particular agenda.

Why you could invade a country if you wanted. ;)

59 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:10:47pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Not to violate Godwin here you guys but I think the fact that the Nazis went from fringe party and movement following the Beer Putsch to in power in under ten years shows you something about the worth of propaganda.

I would think Germany, circa 1930s, demonstrates rather nicely that propaganda works like a charm on an audience that wants to believe, one way or another.

60 researchok  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:10:48pm

re: #56 It’s a cookbook!

In my line, people routinely look for the shortest distance between two points- and don’t want to know they have made a mistake.

That’s why people stand firm when they have been shown to be wrong- they would have to admit the positions they held so dear were wrong- and thus, they were wrong, sometimes for decades.

That is why so many religious people have a hard time leaving the fold. They have to ‘relearn’ life.

61 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:10:52pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Not to violate Godwin here you guys but I think the fact that the Nazis went from fringe party and movement following the Beer Putsch to in power in under ten years shows you something about the worth of propaganda.

That’s not a Godwin’s Law violation, as you were using the Nazis as an example of the power of propaganda, not making an unwarranted comparison between them and another group.

62 Stanghazi  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:11:33pm

re: #53 researchok

He is the classic propagandist.

I read somewhere to be considered credible when promoting an agenda, you have to stand firm 2/3 of the time and give your adversary credit 1/3 of the time.

People respect and are willing to follow the ‘imperfect’ precisely because they are imperfect- because in fact, they are just like them.

People will follow those they believe share their values- and they are most suspect of dogmatic ‘leaders.’

When is the dinner with Dan savage & the gay hating dude. (can’t remember which one). It’s gonna beepic

63 Kragar  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:12:55pm

re: #62 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

When is the dinner with Dan savage & the gay hating dude. (can’t remember which one). It’s gonna beepic

nomnoms for numb NOMs?

64 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:13:08pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

That’s not a Godwin’s Law violation, as you were using the Nazis as an example of the power of propaganda, not making an unwarranted comparison between them and another group.

That and the fact that the Communists the Nazis claimed to be fighting were real and were violent (at least until the Nazis came to power and imprisoned them all). That gave Nazi propaganda an added “aura of truthiness”, to borrow from Stephen Colbert.

65 Amory Blaine  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:13:41pm

When you’re on a mission from god the lies are just another obstacle to salvation.

66 researchok  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:14:21pm

re: #62 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

LOL

Well, think about it- the people you admire and respect most people who can acknowledge the ‘other’ and find compromise

The roster of hard ideologues who cannot- and will not compromise is impressive.

Only not in a positive way.

67 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:15:28pm

re: #42 gwangung

BTW…if propaganda is so effective, how come WE don’t get affected by watching this stuff?

Oh, but it does.

I have to constantly work - mental work - to investigate this or that claim to try and dig below what is presented to me.

This is why the temptation to “go with the crowd” is so strong - it takes a great deal of effort to swim upstream.

This is also why scientists are so tentative about their statements and conclusions - it is easy to fool oneself, to say nothing of being fooled by others. It takes continual re-evaluation of keep one from falling into the trap of accepting whatever one reads or hears.

This is also what disturbs the creationists, moral absolutists, and such - they want certainty, and they want it easy - but reality is more subtle, and “truth” is something at which we work and about which we change our minds.

68 HoosierHoops  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:15:34pm

re: #65 Amory Blaine

When you’re on a mission from god the lies are just another obstacle to salvation.

He Said, ’ The Truth will set you free..’

69 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:16:30pm

re: #65 Amory Blaine

When you’re on a mission from god the lies are just another obstacle to salvation.

Especially if you’ve got a 1972 Chevy Monte Carlo. ;)

70 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:17:48pm

re: #67 freetoken

Oh, but it does.

I have to constantly work - mental work - to investigate this or that claim to try and dig below what is presented to me.

This is why the temptation to “go with the crowd” is so strong - it takes a great deal of effort to swim upstream.

This is also why scientists are so tentative about their statements and conclusions - it is easy to fool oneself, to say nothing of being fooled by others. It takes continual re-evaluation of keep one from falling into the trap of accepting whatever one reads or hears.

This is also what disturbs the creationists, moral absolutists, and such - they want certainty, and they want it easy - but reality is more subtle, and “truth” is something at which we work and about which we change our minds.

Yes, but you ar least inspect information before you accept it, even if you might want it to be true. That’s a very big difference.

71 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:17:49pm

re: #68 HoosierHoops

He Said, ’ The Truth will set you free..’

Oh!
I had it wrong.

I thought it was ‘The vermouth shall make you pee’.

72 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:17:57pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

That and the fact that the Communists the Nazis claimed to be fighting were real and were violent (at least until the Nazis came to power and imprisoned them all). That gave Nazi propaganda an added “aura of truthiness”, to borrow from Stephen Colbert.

The “lesser evil.” I think many in the middle had heard about the excesses of power in Lenin and later Stalin’s USSR and thought very wrongly that the Nazis and in other countries, fascism were a viable alternative to Communism. Plus Nazism was brilliant at appealing to people’s national pride. It’s a good thing the Nazis were such bigots because they could have won the Eastern Front if they more fully exploited the nationalist tendencies of groups like the Ukrainians, Fins, and those in the Baltic states.

73 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:18:48pm

Propaganda isn’t about creating prejudice. It’s about exploiting existing prejudice.

74 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:18:51pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

Especially if you’ve got a 1972 Chevy Monte Carlo. ;)

I’ll have two fried chickens and a coke.

75 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:20:47pm

re: #74 It’s a cookbook!

I’ll have two fried chickens and a coke.

D_F makes a pretty ugly car-hop. That miniskirt looks way too small.

76 researchok  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:21:06pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

AND, the desire to belong- whether it is a political party, religious group, etc., or to make a ‘fashion statement’.

77 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:21:09pm

re: #70 It’s a cookbook!

Yes, but you ar least inspect information before you accept it, even if you might want it to be true. That’s a very big difference.

I’ve been around the block a couple of times, and have been burnt by charlatans of one sort or another.

It’s taken my 8 years to work through the Iraq war propaganda - finally deciding that some of it was factual, some was just hysteria, some was well meaning, some was just deceitful.

I’ve been dealing with creationists (and other anti-science loonies) for over 30 years, so I’ve got lots of experience in that. But some of the social/political topics have not been on my personal radar before, and it is easy for me to stumble across something new.

78 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:21:44pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

That’s not a Godwin’s Law violation, as you were using the Nazis as an example of the power of propaganda, not making an unwarranted comparison between them and another group.

You know who nitpicked people about violating random laws? NAZIS.

/

79 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:21:55pm

re: #75 b_sharp

D_F makes a pretty ugly car-hop. That miniskirt looks way too small.

As long as he gets my order to me fast it’s all good.

80 Stanghazi  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:21:58pm

re: #63 Kragar

nomnoms for numb NOMs?

Ya!! Epic. Apologies for iPhone idiocy. No pencil here!

Really, this dinner @ Dan’s is going to be epic. Two camera crews (reqby the gay hater) to ensure no fake shit. Oh I hope it’s chicken franchese.

81 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:22:04pm

re: #74 It’s a cookbook!

I’ll have two fried chickens and a coke.

And since we’ve been talking about Nazis:

Youtube Video
82 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:22:46pm

re: #75 b_sharp

D_F makes a pretty ugly car-hop. That miniskirt looks way too small.

SMACK!
POW!
THUMP!
[crunch]

83 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:23:09pm

re: #74 It’s a cookbook!

I’ll have two fried chickens and a coke.

And some dry white toast.

84 HoosierHoops  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:23:19pm

re: #71 b_sharp

Oh!
I had it wrong.

I thought it was ‘The vermouth shall make you pee’.

LOL.. It’s halftime of the Thunder game and I’m at a Hotel by the Airport..
What is the deal with all the Jets overhead? I have the TV turned up to 9 and the room shakes every minute during the game..I’m packed and ready to go..

85 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:23:34pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!
POW!
THUMP!
[crunch]

Did you just step on the chicken?

Jason isn’t going to be happy.

86 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:23:42pm

re: #76 researchok

AND, the desire to belong- whether it is a political party, religious group, etc., or to make a ‘fashion statement’.

Absolutely.

87 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:23:48pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!
POW!
THUMP!
[crunch]

Sooo are we to understand that you’d make for a good-looking car hop?

88 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:24:45pm

re: #87 It’s a cookbook!

Sooo are we to understand that you’d make for a good-looking car hop?

No, I wouldn’t make an kind of car hop. I worked hard to get out of retail and I ain’t goin’ back if I can help it!

89 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:24:54pm

re: #84 HoosierHoops

LOL.. It’s halftime of the Thunder game and I’m at a Hotel by the Airport..
What is the deal with all the Jets overhead? I have the TV turned up to 9 and the room shakes every minute during the game..I’m packed and ready to go..

Who in their right mind expects jets by an airport?

Have a good trip bro.

90 Kragar  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:25:36pm

Just got back from an event at my kids school. They had some company which had a fire truck set up to fire soapy foam. Kids got plastered. Think the marshmallow cream at the end of Ghostbusters.

91 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:26:04pm

I expect all this anti-PP propaganda to bear some of the fruit the religious right wants. They will not stop now, they will not stop tomorrow.

It is not clear to me how the upcoming elections will turn out.

I guess the WI recall election will be the first real test.

Today Romney got Nancy’s endorsement - more Republican royalty. There are still millions of people out there who worship the Reagans. Romney will get most of the traditional Republican voters - only the very hardcore fundamentalists will not vote for him, and they are likely in number only in states which Romney will easily win anyway.

92 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:26:23pm

JCPenney Responds to Homophobic Boycott Calls with Gay Father’s Day Ad


yeah!

93 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:26:58pm

re: #42 gwangung

BTW…if propaganda is so effective, how come WE don’t get affected by watching this stuff?

Because I completely and blindly agree with your comment without question.
/

94 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:27:17pm

re: #90 Kragar

Just got back from an event at my kids school. They had some company which had a fire truck set up to fire soapy foam. Kids got plastered. Think the marshmallow cream at the end of Ghostbusters.

“I couldn’t help it. It just popped in there.”

95 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:27:23pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

And some dry white toast.

Hey Elwood, where ya bin man?

96 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:27:30pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

No, I wouldn’t make an kind of car hop. I worked hard to get out of retail and I ain’t goin’ back if I can help it!

I’m sure many professionals thought they could avoid that before this recession.

97 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:28:17pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

“I couldn’t help it. It just popped in there.”

then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants

98 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:29:58pm

re: #96 It’s a cookbook!

I’m sure many professionals thought they could avoid that before this recession.

Yeah, but I managed to get out of retail during the recession. So its a special point of pride for me.

99 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:30:12pm

re: #97 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants

One of my favourite lines: “So, she’s a dog’. Bill’s timing was perfect.

100 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:30:30pm

re: #91 freetoken

I expect all this anti-PP propaganda to bear some of the fruit the religious right wants. They will not stop now, they will not stop tomorrow.

It is not clear to me how the upcoming elections will turn out.

I guess the WI recall election will be the first real test.

Today Romney got Nancy’s endorsement - more Republican royalty. There are still millions of people out there who worship the Reagans. Romney will get most of the traditional Republican voters - only the very hardcore fundamentalists will not vote for him, and they are likely in number only in states which Romney will easily win anyway.

It was a foregone conclusion that Mitt would get most of the tradtiional Republican voters. What he needs to do is give them a reason to come out in mass for him and simply not being Obama won’t do that. I’ve seen the folly of campaigns who operate under “Well I’m not my opponent”. It doesn’t work and it won’t for Mitt.

101 Kragar  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:32:07pm

re: #99 b_sharp

One of my favourite lines: “So, she’s a dog’. Bill’s timing was perfect.

I loved how everyone was plastered, then Bill walks in with barely anything on him.

102 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:32:29pm

re: #77 freetoken

I’ve been around the block a couple of times, and have been burnt by charlatans of one sort or another.

It’s taken my 8 years to work through the Iraq war propaganda - finally deciding that some of it was factual, some was just hysteria, some was well meaning, some was just deceitful.

I’ve been dealing with creationists (and other anti-science loonies) for over 30 years, so I’ve got lots of experience in that. But some of the social/political topics have not been on my personal radar before, and it is easy for me to stumble across something new.

Fool me once, shame on you… fool me can’t get fooled again.

103 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:33:27pm

Heh, spent the last few days of my “stay-cation” binging on ol’ 80s/90s comedies, thanks to the wonder that is Netflix. Both Ghostbusters, both Addams Family films, Weird Science, Groundhog’s Day, and Doc Hollywood. Good times.

104 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:33:49pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

This map ought to be scary if you’re an Obama supporter:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

105 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:34:00pm

re: #50 Interesting Times

Check this out - almost sounds like something you could have written yourself:

I live in Kansas and even women out here get outraged, when they hear about it. I’ve been posting on Facebook, tweeting and talking about this to other women. So many of them just don’t pay attention to what’s going on, and it’s to their detriment to be uninformed about it.
Get out there and talk about it.

Great post! Thanks! I don’t feel so alone.

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:34:04pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

Heathers! Watch Heathers ^_^

107 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:35:03pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

Heh, spent the last few days of my “stay-cation” binging on ol’ 80s/90s comedies, thanks to the wonder that is Netflix. Both Ghostbusters, both Addams Family films, Weird Science, Groundhog’s Day, and Doc Hollywood. Good times.

Read the book for Groundhog’s Day. It’s surprisingly deep and a bit different from the film.

108 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:35:09pm

Speaking of Murray, I’m mildly curious about Moonrise Kingdom. Anyone seen it?

109 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:35:11pm

re: #106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Heathers! Watch Heathers ^_^

I’ll put it on the list. Considering moving off the comedy track for a bit to watch The Hunt for Red October for the zillionth time.

110 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:35:13pm

re: #101 Kragar

I loved how everyone was plastered, then Bill walks in with barely anything on him.

And poor Rick was completely covered.

111 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:35:44pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Not to violate Godwin here you guys but I think the fact that the Nazis went from fringe party and movement following the Beer Putsch to in power in under ten years shows you something about the worth of propaganda.

Well, there was considerble economic and emotional reasons as well. The Versailles Treaty pretty much took any idea of pride and integrity away from the Germans. You can’t do that to a people and expect them to just take it.

112 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:35:56pm

An elementary school friend of mine got engaged today. I’ve very happy for her.

It wasn’t to a guy.

Go Iowa.

113 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:36:27pm

Silly hippies

114 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:36:58pm

re: #65 Amory Blaine

When you’re on a mission from god the lies are just another obstacle to salvation.

taquiya is ok if Christians are doing it. …

115 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:37:46pm

re: #104 freetoken

This map ought to be scary if you’re an Obama supporter:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Meh. No need to pay attention to that while it’s still Spring.

116 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:38:02pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

I’ll put it on the list. Considering moving off the comedy track for a bit to watch The Hunt for Red October for the zillionth time.

The best of the Jack Ryan stuff.

117 Kragar  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:38:09pm

re: #114 ggt

taquiya is ok if Christians are doing it… .

Just like Sharia law is fine if you’re using the Bible and Jesus to do it.

118 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:38:21pm

re: #115 It’s a cookbook!

Meh. No need to pay attention to that while it’s still Spring.

turnout is the thing

119 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:38:33pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Silly hippies

meh

120 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:38:53pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Silly hippies

Makes sense to me.

121 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:39:38pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Read the book for Groundhog’s Day. It’s surprisingly deep and a bit different from the film.

I really get that impression from watching the film after so long. It’s a humorous film, but also a thought provoking one.

122 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:40:16pm

re: #111 ggt

Well, there was considerble economic and emotional reasons as well. The Versailles Treaty pretty much took any idea of pride and integrity away from the Germans. You can’t do that to a people and expect them to just take it.

Yep, that’s true too. I’m just amazed at how they were able to go from fringe to in power that quickly. The resentments about Versailles were there early on but you’re right, the economic troubles played a big role in their comeback in the early 30’s. The most amazing thing I have read about is the SPD and maybe even the KPD urging its voters to support Hindenburg over Hitler. Two left wing parties urging support for a man who was very much symbolic of the old system before the first war.

123 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:40:20pm

re: #120 b_sharp

Makes sense to me.

I’m guessing it also makes sense to all the people with felony convictions for possession of weed

124 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:41:20pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Silly hippies

Oh wow bro that’s so funny. No, seriously, I’m totally laughing my ass off over here. Really, really funny. Bravo.

125 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:41:33pm

re: #120 b_sharp

Makes sense to me.

Not me. I like being able to order a large soda. i get one of those cups at McDonald’s or Subway at lunch and refill it before I head back to work and that’s my beverage for most of the afternoon. Mayor Bloomburg’s plan would cost me money if brought to Chicago and I also find it to be the epitome of the Nanny State.

126 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:41:48pm

re: #116 b_sharp

The best of the Jack Ryan stuff.

“The hard part about playing chicken is knowin’ when to flinch.”

127 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42:12pm

re: #123 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I’m guessing it also makes sense to all the people with felony convictions for possession of weed

Just wait for the convictions for oversized sodas. Progress for the common good!

128 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42:50pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

“The hard part about playing chicken is knowin’ when to flinch.”

That line was said by Fed Thompson’s character, I’m guess just by looking at it and by my memory of how he talks.

129 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:43:05pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

I really get that impression from watching the film after so long. It’s a humorous film, but also a thought provoking one.

I was going to write a science fiction novel where the protagonist went into the past but accidentally changed his own future so he didn’t travel to the past, so the past wasn’t changed and he did travel to the past, which he accidentally changed, …

I kept walking into walls while I spun the yarn in my head.

130 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:43:08pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

Not me. I like being able to order a large soda. i get one of those cups at McDonald’s or Subway at lunch and refill it before I head back to work and that’s my beverage for most of the afternoon. Mayor Bloomburg’s plan would cost me money if brought to Chicago and I also find it to be the epitome of the Nanny State.

how’s this, they’re completely different things!


One is putting people in prison for no reason! One is making you cough up a few extra cents to get two smaller sodas

131 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:43:40pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

Not me. I like being able to order a large soda. i get one of those cups at McDonald’s or Subway at lunch and refill it before I head back to work and that’s my beverage for most of the afternoon. Mayor Bloomburg’s plan would cost me money if brought to Chicago and I also find it to be the epitome of the Nanny State.

Or you could save even more money and just get a 2 liter bottle.

132 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:43:47pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

That line was said by Fed Thompson’s character, I’m guess just by looking at it and by my memory of how he talks.

That wasn’t Thompson, that was Scott Glenn. I’m revoking your movie geek membership card.

//

133 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:44:13pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Yep, that’s true too. I’m just amazed at how they were able to go from fringe to in power that quickly. The resentments about Versailles were there early on but you’re right, the economic troubles played a big role in their comeback in the early 30’s. The most amazing thing I have read about is the SPD and maybe even the KPD urging its voters to support Hindenburg over Hitler. Two left wing parties urging support for a man who was very much symbolic of the old system before the first war.

Still listening to the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shirer. I’m to the point where he is about to declare war on England.

I think what, so far, I find so strange is that Hitler was determined to do it all Constitutionally. He basically managed to do the illegal, legally. Pretty crafty for a high school drop-out. He had plenty of opposition, he just figured-out how to silence them —sometimes literally.

134 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:44:43pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

Not me. I like being able to order a large soda. i get one of those cups at McDonald’s or Subway at lunch and refill it before I head back to work and that’s my beverage for most of the afternoon. Mayor Bloomburg’s plan would cost me money if brought to Chicago and I also find it to be the epitome of the Nanny State.

So bad for you. Water is much cheaper!

135 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:44:50pm

re: #130 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

how’s this, they’re completely different things!

One is putting people in prison for no reason! One is making you cough up a few extra cents to get two smaller sodas

Yep, I mean from what I see I don’t think I like the Bloomberg idea but it’s apples and oranges. Banning marijuana usage is nanny state too. It implies that adults can’t be trusted to smoke a substance.

136 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:44:59pm

re: #123 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I’m guessing it also makes sense to all the people with felony convictions for possession of weed

Both are just value judgments based on a perceived social cost/benefit analysis. Neither are absolute, although many on the right do love their laws to death.

137 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:45:13pm

re: #129 b_sharp

I was going to write a science fiction novel where the protagonist went into the past but accidentally changed his own future so he didn’t travel to the past, so the past wasn’t changed and he did travel to the past, which he accidentally changed, …

I kept walking into walls while I spun the yarn in my head.

You read any Connie Willis?

138 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:45:13pm

re: #131 It’s a cookbook!

Or you could save even more money and just get a 2 liter bottle.

Those ain’t cold.

139 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:45:56pm

Cigarettes go up a dollar a pack June 1 in Illinois.

140 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:46:07pm

re: #130 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

how’s this, they’re completely different things!

One is putting people in prison for no reason! One is making you cough up a few extra cents to get two smaller sodas

But the latter thing effects me personally, and the the former does not. Moreover, I do not see why both a joint and a 32 oz. soda cannot be legal. As long as the joint is subject to the same rules for where it may be smoked as a cigarette, that is.

141 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:46:40pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

“The hard part about playing chicken is knowin’ when to flinch.”

The idea of closing the gap before the torpedo was armed was just brilliant and completely non-intuitive.

142 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:46:43pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

Not me. I like being able to order a large soda. i get one of those cups at McDonald’s or Subway at lunch and refill it before I head back to work and that’s my beverage for most of the afternoon. Mayor Bloomburg’s plan would cost me money if brought to Chicago and I also find it to be the epitome of the Nanny State.

I would go back to smoking 2 packs a day before I’d drink a super sized soda but I still oppose the ban. It won’t make any difference in obesity or diabetes since all the sugars and chemicals are already in every frozen dinner and processed food product. It’s a needless infringement on personal choice which won’t produce any results.

143 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:47:12pm

re: #139 ggt

Cigarettes go up a dollar a pack June 1 in Illinois.

I’m honestly of the opinion that it doesn’t matter how much cigarettes cost, plenty of people will just look at the price, grumble, then plunk down the money on the counter. It’s like gas prices, we’ll never truly give it up, we’ll just find ways to get by.

144 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:47:17pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

But the latter thing effects me personally, and the the former does not. Moreover, I do not see why both a joint and a 32 oz. soda cannot be legal. As long as the joint is subject to the same rules for where it may be smoked as a cigarette, that is.

Of course, there is a difference between statutory ban and severe criminalization.

But never you mind that.

145 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:47:39pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

That line was said by Fed Thompson’s character, I’m guess just by looking at it and by my memory of how he talks.

Nope, it was the captain of the American sub, what’s his name.

146 jaunte  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:47:50pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Some people will probably double their consumption in protest.

147 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:48:01pm

re: #139 ggt

Cigarettes go up a dollar a pack June 1 in Illinois.

They cost a small fortune per pack here in ny. Glad I quit 2 years ago. Hey, felt kinda nice saying that…

148 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:48:08pm

re: #145 b_sharp

Nope, it was the captain of the American sub, what’s his name.

Burt Mancuso. Did I mention I’ve seen the movie too many times?

149 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:48:13pm

It’s been three years today since Dr. Tiller was murdered —in his church.

Unbelievable.

150 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:48:22pm

re: #131 It’s a cookbook!

Or you could save even more money and just get a 2 liter bottle.

Best value lately has been the 1.25 L bottles of Coca-Cola products. Dominick’s (owned by Safeway) has had them on sale for 99 cents with their Preferred card. I only get those with Diet Coke though.

151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:48:30pm

re: #143 Targetpractice

I’m honestly of the opinion that it doesn’t matter how much cigarettes cost, plenty of people will just look at the price, grumble, then plunk down the money on the counter. It’s like gas prices, we’ll never truly give it up, we’ll just find ways to get by.

I never understand why people with a serious tobacco habit don’t just roll their own, with crazy cigarette prices

152 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:49:01pm

re: #151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I never understand why people with a serious tobacco habit don’t just roll their own, with crazy cigarette prices

Same reason lots of people buy a $7 cold-cut sandwich over their lunch hour, I suppose.

153 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:49:10pm

re: #151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I never understand why people with a serious tobacco habit don’t just roll their own, with crazy cigarette prices

convenience i suppose. Never been much of a smoker though.

154 Kragar  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:49:19pm

Well, here is something you don’t see every day.

Iceberg flipping over…

Youtube Video
155 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:49:21pm

re: #137 ggt

You read any Connie Willis?

No I haven’t. I had that plot set out about 35 years ago.

156 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:49:44pm

re: #151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I never understand why people with a serious tobacco habit don’t just roll their own, with crazy cigarette prices

I know people that do. American Spirit sells the cans of loose tobacco.

May have to check into it, but I don’t have time to breathe now as it is. …

157 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:50:15pm

re: #152 erik_t

Same reason I suppose lots of people buy a $7 cold-cut sandwich over their lunch hour, I suppose.

but if it’s a massive compulsive habit costing you more than a car payment?

158 Political Atheist  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:50:16pm

Kilgore…
Any chance I saw a comment from you at aintitcool?

159 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:50:33pm

re: #155 b_sharp

No I haven’t. I had that plot set out about 35 years ago.

You might try Blackout —awesome book!

OH MY, I think I just heard a gun shot.

Really!

160 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:50:48pm

And heh more seriously I doubt many college liberals would like that kind of tax. Not sure how other universities are but mine charged alot for refills. It was a good incentive for me not to get a refill of soda when I ate in the university food court. I never get super size sodas. I really should quit all together but habits are tough to break.

161 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:50:52pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

I would go back to smoking 2 packs a day before I’d drink a super sized soda but I still oppose the ban. It won’t make any difference in obesity or diabetes since all the sugars and chemicals are already in every frozen dinner and processed food product. It’s a needless infringement on personal choice which won’t produce any results.

Actually, it will make a difference, if it results in people drinking less soda pop.

162 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:51:22pm

re: #156 ggt

I know people that do. American Spirit sells the cans of loose tobacco.

May have to check into it, but I don’t have time to breathe now as it is… .

NYC prices at 11 bucks a pack!

163 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:51:24pm

re: #151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I never understand why people with a serious tobacco habit don’t just roll their own, with crazy cigarette prices

Convenience, mostly. Finding a blend you like, buying a roller or getting confident in rolling yourself, keeping sure you’ve got large enough stocks of everything you need. It’s like asking why a person buys pre-made meals when they could make something more satisfying at home and for a cheaper price.

164 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:51:28pm

re: #144 erik_t

Of course, there is a difference between statutory ban and severe criminalization.

But never you mind that.

What we need is a joint that’s also a straw.

165 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:52:53pm

re: #164 b_sharp

What we need is a joint that’s also a straw.

PATENT. PENDING. SIR.

166 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:53:07pm

re: #158 Daniel Ballard

Kilgore…
Any chance I saw a comment from you at aintitcool?

Highly unlikely because I have no idea what aintitcool is. Never heard of it before.

167 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:53:40pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

Convenience, mostly. Finding a blend you like, buying a roller or getting confident in rolling yourself, keeping sure you’ve got large enough stocks of everything you need. It’s like asking why a person buys pre-made meals when they could make something more satisfying at home and for a cheaper price.

I guess, but if I were paying $350 a month for cigs, that’s massive to me, that’s more than all my habits put together, including bar tabs

168 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:53:54pm

re: #151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I never understand why people with a serious tobacco habit don’t just roll their own, with crazy cigarette prices

Up here many people do.

It’s illegal to smoke in restaurants, bars, office buildings and within 10m (?) of a doorway here. The number of people smoking has dropped substantially.

Now, everyone drinks wine.

169 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:54:01pm

Strange, the reason I think it was a gun shot is the dogs didn’t react at all.

They react to most loud, strange noises. But never flinch when shot over.

Very wierd, IMHO.

called 911, they hadn’t heard anything yet.

WE don’t get that where I am. Of course, 911 lady was bored.

170 Kragar  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:54:23pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Highly unlikely because I have no idea what aintitcool is. Never heard of it before.

Not outside the realm of possibility that a film/literature buff would use the same moniker.

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:54:47pm

re: #168 b_sharp

Up here many people do.

It’s illegal to smoke in restaurants, bars, office buildings and within 10m (?) of a doorway here. The number of people smoking has dropped substantially.

Now, everyone drinks wine.

they banned smoking inside restaurants in oregon, so what’s happene dnow is there’s an explosion of bars with outdoor fire pits and such so the smokers can drink outside and smoke :D

172 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:54:49pm

re: #154 Kragar

Well, here is something you don’t see every day.

Iceberg flipping over…

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It didn’t want to burn in the sun.

173 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:55:20pm

I guess it’s like this with beer too. Do you pay for cheap beer and get more for less or do you go with more quality but get less. I tend to go with the latter but I’m a self described beer snob and I have bad memories of my Dad’s cheap ass beer from growing up heh and I’ve been in good beer countries before.

174 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:55:51pm

re: #164 b_sharp

What we need is a joint that’s also a straw.

[Link: t0.gstatic.com…]

175 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:56:08pm

re: #159 ggt

You might try Blackout —awesome book!

OH MY, I think I just heard a gun shot.

Really!

Get down, now.

176 jaunte  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:56:45pm
177 Interesting Times  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:56:53pm

Heh:

178 Interesting Times  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:57:17pm

re: #176 jaunte

Supersize coke jinx?

179 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:57:20pm

re: #165 erik_t

PATENT. PENDING. SIR.

(Facepalm)
Not that kind of a joint.

180 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:57:25pm

re: #161 b_sharp

Actually, it will make a difference, if it results in people drinking less soda pop.

And that is not something the government should concern itself with. GOP aligned Super-PACs should hammer on Bloomburg as a nanny state dictator and link Obama to Bloomburg’s desire for control as much as possible. Properly done (i.e. not overwrought) it could be effective in swaying moderates against Obama, especially if it can be extended to other matters.

181 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:57:49pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

I guess it’s like this with beer too. Do you pay for cheap beer and get more for less or do you go with more quality but get less. I tend to go with the latter but I’m a self described beer snob and I have bad memories of my Dad’s cheap ass beer from growing up heh and I’ve been in good beer countries before.

I always buy local micros and belgian beer, because that’s the only reason i drink at all :D

182 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:57:54pm

Pretty cool umbrella!

183 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:58:17pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

I guess it’s like this with beer too. Do you pay for cheap beer and get more for less or do you go with more quality but get less. I tend to go with the latter but I’m a self described beer snob and I have bad memories of my Dad’s cheap ass beer from growing up heh and I’ve been in good beer countries before.

Good beer country

184 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:58:28pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

And that is not something the government should concern itself with. GOP aligned Super-PACs should hammer on Bloomburg as a nanny state dictator and link Obama to Bloomburg’s desire for control as much as possible. Properly done (i.e. not overwrought) it could be effective in swaying moderates against Obama, especially if it can be extended to other matters.

The party that wants a federal ban on gay marriage is going to tell people about too much control by government?

185 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:58:31pm

re: #167 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I guess, but if I were paying $350 a month for cigs, that’s massive to me, that’s more than all my habits put together, including bar tabs

My folks, combined, spend something in the vicinity of $160 a month on cartons of cigarettes. And that’s probably cheaper than in the stores because they’re getting them through the Coast Guard Exchange.

I’ve pressed them for years to quit, their doctors have told them to quit, and still they’re resistant. Well, scratch that, my dad is resistant. My mother has said she has no problem quitting, has gone weeks at a stretch without lighting up. But she won’t quit unless he does and he’s as stubborn as a fucking mule. My mother says that he tried years ago to quit, and go so unbearable after about a week that she finally threw a carton at him and told him to mellow the fuck out.

186 HoosierHoops  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:58:31pm

Thunder up by 20.. I’m a tad buzzed in a Hotel room..Can I share with my band of Brothers and Sisters?
My life is going to change big time.. I never saw it coming..But let me share..
It’s not the money per say.. Sure when I got the check it was like Forrest Gump giving the check to Bubba’s Mom and she fainted. It’s not inheriting a beautiful lake house and land…It’s not that at all..
I now can be anyone and do anything in my life.. I can pursue any dream I have ever had and yet.. I’m really not sure…I don’t really want to goof off fishing every day and I really want to fulfill a dream…I just don’t know what yet…

187 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:58:48pm

re: #176 jaunte

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Something tells me that Jon Stewart is going to give Mayor Bloomberg the what-for.

188 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:58:49pm

re: #171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

they banned smoking inside restaurants in oregon, so what’s happene dnow is there’s an explosion of bars with outdoor fire pits and such so the smokers can drink outside and smoke :D

Lots of outside patios here too, but the number of smokers has been reduced.

189 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:58:56pm

re: #183 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Good beer country

Heh I swear nearly all the domestic beers on my beer calendar are Portland brews.

190 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:59:29pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

And that is not something the government should concern itself with. GOP aligned Super-PACs should hammer on Bloomburg as a nanny state dictator and link Obama to Bloomburg’s desire for control as much as possible. Properly done (i.e. not overwrought) it could be effective in swaying moderates against Obama, especially if it can be extended to other matters.

And this has whatthefuck to do with Obama?

191 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:59:44pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

The party that wants a federal ban on gay marriage is going to tell people about too much control by government?

Or the party that expanded the war on drugs. Not to mention Bloomy got elected as a Republican not a Democrat but what the hey.

192 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 7:59:58pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

My folks, combined, spend something in the vicinity of $160 a month on cartons of cigarettes. And that’s probably cheaper than in the stores because they’re getting them through the Coast Guard Exchange.

I’ve pressed them for years to quit, their doctors have told them to quit, and still they’re resistant. Well, scratch that, my dad is resistant. My mother has said she has no problem quitting, has gone weeks at a stretch without lighting up. But she won’t quit unless he does and he’s as stubborn as a fucking mule. My mother says that he tried years ago to quit, and go so unbearable after about a week that she finally threw a carton at him and told him to mellow the fuck out.

I told my husband that if he ever quits again (he’s has twice for years) he is going on meds. Last time I bought him a package for the personal trainer at the gym. I won’t live with him if he quits without meds. Way too ADD.

193 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:00:11pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

The party that wants a federal ban on gay marriage is going to tell people about too much control by government?

Yep. Most people will respond more on issues of what they eat than gay marriage anyways, because the former effects them directly and the latter does not.

194 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:00:15pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Heh I swear nearly all the domestic beers on my beer calendar are Portland brews.

nice! I recommend Hair of the Dog and Heater Allen if you can get ahold of them

195 jaunte  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:00:23pm

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

Access to big sodas is sort of on the trailing end of things that really matter in politics lately.

196 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:00:34pm

Leftist authoritarian douchebags are still authoritarian douchebags.

197 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:00:48pm

re: #182 ggt

Pretty cool umbrella!

Except for the dribbles on his right shoulder.

198 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:00:53pm

re: #190 It’s a cookbook!

And the has whatthefuck to do with Obama?

That’s what I’m wondering. Last I checked, Bloomberg =/= Obama, and the POTUS has never said a word about banning large sodas anywhere.

199 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:01:05pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Or the party that expanded the war on drugs. Not to mention Bloomy got elected as a Republican not a Democrat but what the hey.

He was elected in 2001 as a Republican, but he ran as a Dem the last time around.

200 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:01:18pm

‘Nanny-state dictator’.

Goodness.

Do the people not have a chance to vote him out?

201 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:01:39pm

Stop being a douchebag to stop the accusations of douchebaggery.

202 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:01:44pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

Yep. Most people will respond more on issues of what they eat than gay marriage anyways, because the former effects them directly and the latter does not.

What about their friends and families? Really a higher amount to pay on soft drinks is a bigger calamity than refusing gay couples the right to equality under the law in your eyes and the GOPs? Jeez man. I love soda. Hell one could call me an addict but that’s stupid.

203 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:02:12pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Leftist authoritarian douchebags are still authoritarian douchebags.

Michael Bloomberg is a leftist?

204 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:02:21pm

re: #186 HoosierHoops

Thunder up by 20.. I’m a tad buzzed in a Hotel room..Can I share with my band of Brothers and Sisters?
My life is going to change big time.. I never saw it coming..But let me share..
It’s not the money per say.. Sure when I got the check it was like Forrest Gump giving the check to Bubba’s Mom and she fainted. It’s not inheriting a beautiful lake house and land…It’s not that at all..
I now can be anyone and do anything in my life.. I can pursue any dream I have ever had and yet.. I’m really not sure…I don’t really want to goof off fishing every day and I really want to fulfill a dream…I just don’t know what yet…

Pay for bus tickets for all of us to visit your lake house.

205 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:02:44pm

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

He was elected in 2001 as a Republican, but he ran as a Dem the last time around.

No, he ran as an independent, check wiki.

206 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:02:46pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

Do you seriously believe people will be more outraged about large sodas being banned than millions of Americans being denied their civil rights?

207 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:03:01pm

re: #198 Lidane

That’s what I’m wondering. Last I checked, Bloomberg =/= Obama, and the POTUS has never said a word about banning large sodas anywhere.

Bloomberg is a total candidate for CODA.

Control Patterns:

I believe most people are incapable of taking care of themselves.
I attempt to convince others what to think, do, or feel.
I freely offer advice and direction to others without being asked.
I become resentful when others decline my help or reject my advice.
I lavish gifts and favors on those I want to influence.
I use sexual attention to gain approval and acceptance.
I have to be needed in order to have a relationship with others.
I demand that my needs be met by others.
I use charm and charisma to convince others of my capacity to be caring and compassionate.
I use blame and shame to emotionally exploit others.
I refuse to cooperate, compromise, or negotiate.
I adopt an attitude of indifference, helplessness, authority, or rage to manipulate outcomes.
I use terms of recovery in an attempt to control the behavior of others.
I pretend to agree with others to get what I want.”

208 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:03:12pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Facts have a well-known liberal independent bias.

209 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:03:23pm

re: #192 ggt

I told my husband that if he ever quits again (he’s has twice for years) he is going on meds. Last time I bought him a package for the personal trainer at the gym. I won’t live with him if he quits without meds. Way too ADD.

My father’s irritable on his best days, so I can only imagine what he’s like after a week without a cigarette. He tried to use meds, but apparently they didn’t agree with him. I’m hopeful that I can convince him to at least try an electric cigarette, though I know it’s not any better, at least it’s somewhat cheaper.

210 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:04:08pm

re: #192 ggt

I told my husband that if he ever quits again (he’s has twice for years) he is going on meds. Last time I bought him a package for the personal trainer at the gym. I won’t live with him if he quits without meds. Way too ADD.

I quit when my daughter was born. I just chucked a half empty pack of smokes in the garbage and haven’t smoked since.

211 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:04:19pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

My father’s irritable on his best days, so I can only imagine what he’s like after a week without a cigarette. He tried to use meds, but apparently they didn’t agree with him. I’m hopeful that I can convince him to at least try an electric cigarette, though I know it’s not any better, at least it’s somewhat cheaper.

Many men seem to have issues with meds. They don’t like feeling better or something. It’s foreign, something they can’t control, I don’t know. …

212 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:04:45pm

re: #210 b_sharp

I quit when my daughter was born. I just chucked a half empty pack of smokes in the garbage and haven’t smoked since.

I quit drinking and getting high when I got pregnant.

That’s enough for one lifetime, IMHO.

213 Mich-again  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:04:52pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

I guess it’s like this with beer too. Do you pay for cheap beer and get more for less or do you go with more quality but get less. I tend to go with the latter but I’m a self described beer snob and I have bad memories of my Dad’s cheap ass beer from growing up heh and I’ve been in good beer countries before.

At the party stores around here, 2 for $3 is the good beer. 3 for $3 for the budget brands. I’m talking the 24 ounce cans.

So for like, The Beast or PBR, its $3 for a 6 pack and for Bud or Labatt its $4.

Not a beer snob here..

214 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:05:07pm

re: #206 Lidane

Do you seriously believe people will be more outraged about large sodas being banned than millions of Americans being denied their civil rights?

The tree of the liberty tree must be stained with Coca-Cola from time to time.

215 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:05:16pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Leftist authoritarian douchebags are still authoritarian douchebags.

That’s not really the definition of authoritarian.

216 Kragar  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:05:57pm

Barrett To Walker: ‘You Should Be Ashamed’ Of Commercial With Dead Baby

“He’s running a commercial right now that shows a dead baby. He shows a dead baby — this is Willie Horton stuff,” said Barrett. “That baby died. The person who killed that baby was arrested by the Milwaukee Police, was prosecuted by the Milwaukee district attorney. They did their job. But you know what they did wrong? After that baby died, they didn’t change the code. It was a bureaucratic mistake … I’ll tell you right now. I had nothing to do with that. Look at that commercial. You should be ashamed of that commercial, Scott Walker.”

Walker contended that the story was relevant, in light of Barrett having campaigned on a downturn in violent crime in Milwaukee — and is thus a matter of both Barrett’s qualifications, and his honesty.

Barrett retorted: “I have a police department that arrests felons. He has a practice of hiring them.”

217 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:05:59pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Leftist authoritarian douchebags are still authoritarian douchebags.

Since when is Bloomberg a leftist?

218 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:06:19pm

re: #201 Killgore Trout

Stop being a douchebag to stop the accusations of douchebaggery.

I know douchebags, and you sir are no douchebag.

219 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:06:27pm

re: #213 Mich-again

At the party stores around here, 2 for $3 is the good beer. 3 for $3 for the budget brands. I’m talking the 24 ounce cans.

So for like, The Beast or PBR, its $3 for a 6 pack and for Bud or Labatt its $4.

Not a beer snob here..

I will generally pay $6-$12 for a single 22 oz of something nice :D

220 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:07:05pm

I thought this was the definition of douchebag.

221 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:07:38pm

re: #206 Lidane

Do you seriously believe people will be more outraged about large sodas being banned than millions of Americans being denied their civil rights?

Sodas are only step 1. You feed in Obama’s energy policies, mixing in a little Solyndra, bring in Obamacare in a somewhat later series of ads. This is a rolling barrage strategy I’m talking about, meant to make multiple tries at the viewer over a couple of months. It doesn’t have to fully convince them either, it just has to dirty Obama up and increase his negatives.

222 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:08:43pm

re: #211 ggt

Many men seem to have issues with meds. They don’t like feeling better or something. It’s foreign, something they can’t control, I don’t know… .

It’s the macho thing, we’re supposed to be able to stand on our own without help. Meds are a type of help.

223 dragonath  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:08:47pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

“First they came for the Pepsi drinkers, and I did not speak out because I drank Coke…”

224 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:09:09pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

The only thing a campaign like that would do is prove the average stupidity of the wingnuts who would fall for that sort of blatant nonsense.

225 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:09:11pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Leftist authoritarian douchebags are still authoritarian douchebags.

WTF? When did that twerp of a Republican become a leftist?

226 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:09:22pm

re: #223 Be Zorch, Daddio

“First they came for the Pepsi drinkers, and I did not speak out because I drank Coke…”

“Then they came for the Mountain Dew drinkers, and I did not speak out because I prefer Cola.”

227 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:09:46pm

re: #216 Kragar

Barrett To Walker: ‘You Should Be Ashamed’ Of Commercial With Dead Baby

He can try that, but Walker has a strong lead, more money, and he can also hit Barrett for those cops in Milwaukee who conducted the excessive cavity searches to keep up the “Barrett isn’t in control” pressure on. Barrett’s gonna lose, and that’s that/

228 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:09:49pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Sodas are only step 1. You feed in Obama’s energy policies, mixing in a little Solyndra, bring in Obamacare in a somewhat later series of ads. This is a rolling barrage strategy I’m talking about, meant to make multiple tries at the viewer over a couple of months. It doesn’t have to fully convince them either, it just has to dirty Obama up and increase his negatives.

Horseshit. Solyndra was a tale in what happens in a global market where the competitors are willing to flood the market with cheaper goods to knock off the competition. The Affordable Care Act, less the mandate, is very popular in polling.

229 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:09:52pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Sodas are only step 1. You feed in Obama’s energy policies, mixing in a little Solyndra, bring in Obamacare in a somewhat later series of ads. This is a rolling barrage strategy I’m talking about, meant to make multiple tries at the viewer over a couple of months. It doesn’t have to fully convince them either, it just has to dirty Obama up and increase his negatives.

Well, y’know, as long as it’s honest and all.

GO TRIBE GO!

230 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:10:22pm

re: #219 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I will generally pay $6-$12 for a single 22 oz of something nice :D

$6 - $12?

You extravagant fool you.

231 bratwurst  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:10:23pm

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

He was elected in 2001 as a Republican, but he ran as a Dem the last time around.

Wrong…he was a Democrat early in his career, but last time he ran as an independent. You might consider anyone to the left of you to be a “Dem” or a “Donk”, but that is a separate issue.

232 Mich-again  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:11:07pm

The family went to Manhattan twice last year for vacation jaunts and I don’t recall seeing anyone drinking a supersize me giant soda. We noticed there are no fat people in Manhattan other than tourists. Maybe Bloomberg is trying to scare away the fatass hick tourists who clog up lanes at the Subways and don’t know how to cross the street.

233 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:11:29pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Sodas are only step 1. You feed in Obama’s energy policies, mixing in a little Solyndra, bring in Obamacare in a somewhat later series of ads. This is a rolling barrage strategy I’m talking about, meant to make multiple tries at the viewer over a couple of months. It doesn’t have to fully convince them either, it just has to dirty Obama up and increase his negatives.

Still having trouble making the Obama/Bloomberg connection here…

234 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:11:56pm

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

He can try that, but Walker has a strong lead, more money, and he can also hit Barrett for those cops in Milwaukee who conducted the excessive cavity searches to keep up the “Barrett isn’t in control” pressure on. Barrett’s gonna lose, and that’s that/

Walker’s going to get Perp Walked either way. He know’s who John Doe is & that’s why Mr. Doe just moved 100K from campaign fund to legal defense fund… ;)

235 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:12:02pm

re: #230 b_sharp

$6 - $12?

You extravagant fool you.

I have my vices, this stuff is one of them

236 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:12:29pm

re: #234 William Barnett-Lewis

Walker’s going to get Perp Walked either way. He know’s who John Doe is & that’s why Mr. Doe just moved 100K from campaign fund to legal defense fund… ;)

“I’m not guilty of anything, but I’m just gonna set this money aside anyway.”

237 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:12:38pm

re: #235 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I have my vices, this stuff is one of them

You could have a worse vice.

238 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:13:12pm

So, I’ve been working little-by-little on a home improvement project. Today, I managed to fill in some holes and dings in the wall. Tomorrow I will sand and prime.

I had to open a new tub of joint compound and when I was finished I couldn’t find the lid. I checked the garbage and the floor around the table where I opened it. No lid.

I asked Brat Puppy and he assured me he had no idea about any lid.

I told him he wouldn’t get in trouble if he just returned the lid. He cocked his ears and tilted his head and repeated his denial of any knowledge of said lid.

I checked his crate and other chewing areas —no lid.

It’s a mystery. My joint compound is covered in cling wrap and a large piece of duct tape.

239 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:13:33pm

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240 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:14:08pm

re: #233 It’s a cookbook!

Still having trouble making the Obama/Bloomberg connection here…

Who cares? All you have to do is make a spurious connection and sell it to the drooling RWNJ morons as part of some larger anti-American conspiracy. Or, put bluntly:

Image: voting_republican.jpg

241 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:14:18pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

You could have a worse vice.

That’s the expensive one *_*

242 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:14:55pm

Honestly I don’t think I like the Bloomberg plan from what I know of it but linking it to Obama would be greatly dishonest and secondly if it came from the GOP it would be hilarious. The GOP is just as guilty of nanny state nonsense if not more than the Democrats.

243 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:15:00pm

re: #238 ggt

So, I’ve been working little-by-little on a home improvement project. Today, I managed to fill in some holes and dings in the wall. Tomorrow I will sand and prime.

I had to open a new tub of joint compound and when I was finished I couldn’t find the lid. I checked the garbage and the floor around the table where I opened it. No lid.

I asked Brat Puppy and he assured me he had no idea about any lid.

I told him he wouldn’t get in trouble if he just returned the lid. He cocked his ears and tilted his head and repeated his denial of any knowledge of said lid.

I checked his crate and other chewing areas —no lid.

It’s a mystery. My joint compound is covered in cling wrap and a large piece of duct tape.

It’s been interred inside the wall.

244 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:15:22pm

re: #241 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

That’s the expensive one *_*

But it looks so good.

245 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:15:29pm

re: #234 William Barnett-Lewis

Walker’s going to get Perp Walked either way. He know’s who John Doe is & that’s why Mr. Doe just moved 100K from campaign fund to legal defense fund… ;)

I disagree. And I’ll say this: If offices under me needed to be investigated, I’m set up a defense fund and hire lawyers as well, even though I’d be innocent of corruption charges (I believe in honesty in financial matters, would never misappropriate funds entrusted to me). When an investigation is near, even if its not targeted at you you should get a lawyer.

246 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:15:43pm

re: #243 b_sharp

It’s been interred inside the wall.

No, the Cat Overlord is here. Besides, the wall was never open.

I really don’t think he (Brat Puppy) had enough time to chew it all and hide in his insides.

247 Mich-again  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:15:52pm

re: #219 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I will generally pay $6-$12 for a single 22 oz of something nice :D

More power to you, but I grew up on cheap beer and don’t see any reason to get expensive stuff now even if I can afford it.. same active ingredient. ha. And I like just asking for a Bud Light when people around me are trying to outdo each other with the microbrew queries for the waitress..

248 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:15:53pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Honestly I don’t think I like the Bloomberg plan from what I know of it but linking it to Obama would be greatly dishonest and secondly if it came from the GOP it would be hilarious. The GOP is just as guilty of nanny state nonsense if not more than the Democrats.

Because if there’s anything that resonates with swing state voters, it’s mayoral politics in New York City.

Durrrr.

249 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:15:56pm

re: #241 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

That’s the expensive one *_*

Here’s mine.

250 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:15:58pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Honestly I don’t think I like the Bloomberg plan from what I know of it but linking it to Obama would be greatly dishonest and secondly if it came from the GOP it would be hilarious. The GOP is just as guilty of nanny state nonsense if not more than the Democrats.

The GOP loves the Nanny State, just so long as the Nanny is less concerned about how healthy you are and instead hyperfocused on how “moral” you are.

251 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:18:41pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Honestly I don’t think I like the Bloomberg plan from what I know of it but linking it to Obama would be greatly dishonest and secondly if it came from the GOP it would be hilarious. The GOP is just as guilty of nanny state nonsense if not more than the Democrats.

I really think that, like guns, it’s an urban vs. rural issue more than a true Republican vs. Democrat issue. I’ve got a big number of pro-gun democrats where I come from and around here when the NRA isn’t watching the urban Republicans hate guns even more than the urban Democrats because they might be held by “them”.

Nanny government seems to be a similar phenomenon. The big urban bosses know what’s best for us & it really doesn’t matter what the nominal party affiliation is.

252 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:18:46pm

re: #250 Targetpractice

The GOP loves the Nanny State, just so long as the Nanny is less concerned about how healthy you are and instead hyperfocused on how “moral” you are.

Ding.

253 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:18:58pm

re: #246 ggt

No, the Cat Overlord is here. Besides, the wall was never open.

(sigh)

“The Cask of Amontillado”

254 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:19:06pm

re: #247 Mich-again

More power to you, but I grew up on cheap beer and don’t see any reason to get expensive stuff now even if I can afford it.. same active ingredient. ha. And I like just asking for a Bud Light when people around me are trying to outdo each other with the microbrew queries for the waitress..

it’s a completely different beverage. A bottle-conditioned belgian trippel by a brewery that’s been around for centuries has as much to do with PBR as mad dog or thunderbird has to do with real wine.

cheap beer is cheap because it’s made with adjuncts like corn, tastes like it too *_*

I drink beer for the taste, if I want to just booze up and get wasted, well, I still have all this whiskey I never touch :D

255 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:19:21pm

re: #250 Targetpractice

The GOP loves the Nanny State, just so long as the Nanny is less concerned about how healthy you are and instead hyperfocused on how “moral” you are.

Precisely. Just look at the GOP platforms coming out of places like Iowa these days. It’s all about the nanny state, especially in terms of telling people who they can fall in love with and what they can and can’t do in their bedrooms.

256 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:20:06pm

re: #249 b_sharp

Here’s mine.

I have a friend who is INTO SCOTCH, and did the scotland tours and such, I don’t mind it but it’s not my drinking habit

257 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:20:08pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. And I’ll say this: If offices under me needed to be investigated, I’m set up a defense fund and hire lawyers as well, even though I’d be innocent of corruption charges (I believe in honesty in financial matters, would never misappropriate funds entrusted to me). When an investigation is near, even if its not targeted at you you should get a lawyer.

I used to work for the Elections Board. I knew Scooter as a stupid & corrupt assembly representative. He hasn’t changed & should be in a cell next to Blago.

258 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:20:23pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Honestly I don’t think I like the Bloomberg plan from what I know of it but linking it to Obama would be greatly dishonest and secondly if it came from the GOP it would be hilarious. The GOP is just as guilty of nanny state nonsense if not more than the Democrats.

Yeah, the whole thing strikes me as kind of stupid too. Of course some people want to one-up Bloomberg on the stupid scale and involve the President…

259 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:20:36pm

re: #255 Lidane

Precisely. Just look at the GOP platforms coming out of places like Iowa these days. It’s all about the nanny state, especially in terms of telling people who they can fall in love with and what they can and can’t do in their bedrooms.

Precisely. Really for the GOP to accuse anyone of supporting the nanny state, they would be drawing attention to their own nanny state bullshit that they’ve been in engaging from the moment they decided to court the fanatics in the religious right.

260 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:21:09pm

re: #253 b_sharp

(sigh)

“The Cask of Amontillado”

Can we cast Dan Riehl in the role of Fortunado, please, please, please?

/Must I?

261 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:22:01pm

re: #256 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I have a friend who is INTO SCOTCH, and did the scotland tours and such, I don’t mind it but it’s not my drinking habit

I used to drink Rye when I was younger but never touched Scotch until a couple of years ago. I was given a taste of some expensive (to me) Scotch and was hooked.

262 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:22:01pm

re: #253 b_sharp

(sigh)

“The Cask of Amontillado”

I have the Gary kelley illustrated version, so great

263 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:22:04pm

re: #255 Lidane

Precisely. Just look at the GOP platforms coming out of places like Iowa these days. It’s all about the nanny state, especially in terms of telling people who they can fall in love with and what they can and can’t do in their bedrooms.

It’s what happens in the modern political climate, words and phrases lose their original meaning through overuse in a manner that they were never meant to be used in. In this case, “Nanny State” is supposed to be something only “liberals” support, because “conservatives” are all about “personal responsibility” and “personal freedom.”

264 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:23:13pm

re: #261 b_sharp

I used to drink Rye when I was younger but never touched Scotch until a couple of years ago. I was given a taste of some expensive (to me) Scotch and was hooked.

I went through the natural NW beer progression

didn’t like beer, didn’t like beer, tried Widmer Hefeweizen and liked it, tried all local micros, loved beer

265 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:23:46pm

re: #257 William Barnett-Lewis

I used to work for the Elections Board. I knew Scooter as a stupid & corrupt assembly representative. He hasn’t changed & should be in a cell next to Blago.

I’m just saying that setting up a defense fund should not be taken as a sign of guilt. When Rahm Emmanuel got a lawyer after Blago was indicted, I defended his decision to do so on these pages. You can check if you like. My record on the point I was making, small though it is, is consistent with no flip-flops.

266 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:24:19pm

unrelated to soda discussion

Youtube Video
267 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:24:31pm

re: #263 Targetpractice

It’s what happens in the modern political climate, words and phrases lose their original meaning through overuse in a manner that they were never meant to be used in. In this case, “Nanny State” is supposed to be something only “liberals” support, because “conservatives” are all about “personal responsibility” and “personal freedom.”

Stop being smarter than me, it’s depressing.

In fact all of you stop being smarter than me.

I’m going to go talk to my cat.

268 Political Atheist  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:24:36pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Highly unlikely because I have no idea what aintitcool is. Never heard of it before.

aintitcool dot com is a movie/tv show web site.
Sorry for the delay, I’m trying to set up a new smartphone. Frustrating at first.

269 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:25:51pm

re: #268 Daniel Ballard

aintitcool dot com is a movie/tv show web site.
Sorry for the delay, I’m trying to set up a new smartphone. Frustrating at first.

Oh? What did you get?

270 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:27:15pm

re: #267 b_sharp

Stop being smarter than me, it’s depressing.

In fact all of you stop being smarter than me.

I’m going to go talk to my cat.

Speaking of Feline Overlords, I think mine are getting mighty irate with me. In my general slothfulness these past few days, I’ve been negligent in providing them their daily portions of wet food. I fear a revolution may be in the works.

Or the large gray fuzzy one may just nag me to death. I’m not quite certain yet.

271 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:28:33pm

re: #270 Targetpractice

Speaking of Feline Overlords, I think mine are getting mighty irate with me. In my general slothfulness these past few days, I’ve been negligent in providing them their daily portions of wet food. I fear a revolution may be in the works.

Or the large gray fuzzy one may just nag me to death. I’m not quite certain yet.

Remmy is a large grey fuzzy one too, and boy does he know how to nag.

272 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:29:30pm

re: #271 b_sharp

Remmy is a large grey fuzzy one too, and boy does he know how to nag.

mine jump on my head and destroy my equipment

273 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:29:41pm

re: #270 Targetpractice

Speaking of Feline Overlords, I think mine are getting mighty irate with me. In my general slothfulness these past few days, I’ve been negligent in providing them their daily portions of wet food. I fear a revolution may be in the works.

Or the large gray fuzzy one may just nag me to death. I’m not quite certain yet.

Perhaps it will just smother you with its soft, furry belly while you sleep. Cats are diabolical in their cuteness, you know.

274 Political Atheist  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:30:04pm

re: #269 It’s a cookbook!

Got the Samsung Galaxy Blaze 4g on Tmobile

275 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:30:26pm

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

Gotcha. My gut reaction from knowing him was different. And yeah, a knee jerk but I saw the kind of person he was then and was … underwhelmed as the saying goes. I’ve known and liked a lot of Republicans. Heck, I’d go have a beer with Tommy Thompson to this day even though Dreyfus was a better man and Governor. But Scooter? I’d be hard pressed to give him the time of day after watching how he treated our secretaries.

276 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:31:21pm

re: #270 Targetpractice

Speaking of Feline Overlords, I think mine are getting mighty irate with me. In my general slothfulness these past few days, I’ve been negligent in providing them their daily portions of wet food. I fear a revolution may be in the works.

Or the large gray fuzzy one may just nag me to death. I’m not quite certain yet.

Last week Remmy wanted me to wake up so I could pet him. He cried at me, but I stood my ground. He pawed me, but I stood my ground. He climbed up on top of me, but still I stood my ground.

But when he pulled the covers off me I had to capitulate, I was beaten.

277 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:31:53pm

re: #274 Daniel Ballard

Got the Samsung Galaxy Blaze 4g on Tmobile

Ah. TMo. First Android phone?

278 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:31:55pm

re: #271 b_sharp

Remmy is a large grey fuzzy one too, and boy does he know how to nag.

Smokey seems to have two settings: Sleep and nag. When he’s not nagging me for wet food, he’s nagging me to let him outside to graze on grass. And when he’s not nagging about those, he’s nagging me to give him attention.

Oh, and he’s working to kill me one of these days by running in front of my feet while I go down the stairs or carry something dangerous.

279 Mentis Fugit  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:31:57pm

re: #260 Dark_Falcon

Can we cast Dan Riehl in the role of Fortunado, please, please, please?
/Must I?

We understand… you’re just trying to raise the average IQ of the right wing.

Youtube Video
280 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:33:21pm

re: #276 b_sharp

$CAT, unfortunately, is aware that my open bedroom window is right above a ledge over the garage. A catable ledge, if you will.

Nothing can sleep through $CAT’s demands, no matter how repetitive any given night.

This is why I like winter.

281 jaunte  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:33:44pm

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282 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:33:59pm

re: #272 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

mine jump on my head and destroy my equipment

As we are communicating I’m sitting at my desk with three monitors in front of me. The Remster will jump on the desk and if I refuse to pay attention to him he will notice which monitor I’m looking at and then stand in front of it. If I ignore him, or move him out of the way he will either pretend to chew on wires or he’ll actually do it.

283 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:34:06pm

re: #276 b_sharp

Last week Remmy wanted me to wake up so I could pet him. He cried at me, but I stood my ground. He pawed me, but I stood my ground. He climbed up on top of me, but still I stood my ground.

But when he pulled the covers off me I had to capitulate, I was beaten.

Used to have a cat that, as a kitten, had a unique method of waking people up. She’s climb up on the bed and snuggle on their neck. Not their head, not their chest, their neck. And while it was cute when she was tiny, as she starting putting on weight, it quickly got hazardous to one’s health.

284 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:34:15pm

re: #280 erik_t

$CAT, unfortunately, is aware that my open bedroom window is right above a ledge over the garage. A catable ledge, if you will.

Nothing can sleep through $CAT’s demands, no matter how repetitive any given night.

This is why I like winter.

Uhhh… am I the only one who first saw that as “scat?”

285 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:34:17pm

re: #274 Daniel Ballard

Got the Samsung Galaxy Blaze 4g on Tmobile

Cool.

Toys!

286 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:35:03pm

re: #278 Targetpractice

Smokey seems to have two settings: Sleep and nag. When he’s not nagging me for wet food, he’s nagging me to let him outside to graze on grass. And when he’s not nagging about those, he’s nagging me to give him attention.

Oh, and he’s working to kill me one of these days by running in front of my feet while I go down the stairs or carry something dangerous.

Damn that sounds familiar.

287 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:35:18pm

re: #279 Mentis Fugit

We understand… you’re just trying to raise the average IQ of the right wing.

More to be rid of a truly obnoxious person. That really was my main thought. I don’t actually wish harm to Riehl, but I would like to shut him up, though I would never actually do so.

288 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:36:22pm

re: #280 erik_t

$CAT, unfortunately, is aware that my open bedroom window is right above a ledge over the garage. A catable ledge, if you will.

Nothing can sleep through $CAT’s demands, no matter how repetitive any given night.

This is why I like winter.

You named your cat $CAT? That is so cool.
And descriptive.

289 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:36:56pm

re: #288 b_sharp

You named you cat $CAT? That is so cool.
And descriptive.

She’s cheap enough, when she’s not breaking her leg.

290 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:38:16pm

re: #289 erik_t

She’s cheap enough, when she’s not breaking her leg.

Is the person who named her the same person in charge of the cat box?

291 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:39:04pm

[Link: whtc.com…]
What do you know, there are consequences for acting like a birther moron and xenophobic jackass eh birther office Hoekstra.

292 Mich-again  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:41:46pm

re: #254 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

clap clap clap.. Spoken like a true beer snob! ha. that’s cool. I just have better things to spend money on. Two sons in college and a HS daughter into competition dance.. And really, Bud isn’t bad if its cold.. Its not like Camo Ice or Mickeys..

293 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:42:09pm

If anybody actually thinks Bloomberg is going to be able to push through a ban on 20 oz. Starbucks Sweetened coffee drinks they’re high.

294 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:42:22pm

Re: drone strikes

Colbert: It is comforting to know that the administration has set the bar at “killing the right person.”

The Word: Higher Standard Than Texas

295 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:42:41pm

re: #84 HoosierHoops

LOL.. It’s halftime of the Thunder game and I’m at a Hotel by the Airport..
What is the deal with all the Jets overhead? I have the TV turned up to 9 and the room shakes every minute during the game..I’m packed and ready to go..

*waves*
Safe travels, and easy ones!

296 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:44:26pm

Some good news this evening:

Charges dropped against honor student jailed for truancy

The 17-year-old Willis High School honor student whose 24-hour stay in jail for excessive truancy drew national attention had the charge rescinded Wednesday, records show.

Precinct 1 Justice of the Peace Lanny Moriarty, at the Montgomery County District Attorney’s request, signed an order that vacates the contempt of court conviction that sent Diane Tran to jail last week.

The decision clears the way for the issue to be expunged from her record.

The action was taken, in part, after Moriarty looked at the extenuating circumstances that had resulted in Tran missing school and because her court summons had failed to notify her of her right to an attorney or to have one appointed for her, officials said.

297 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:45:04pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

But putting calorie counts on menus in restaurants, seems to be making a difference in peoples food choices, here in California.

298 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:45:06pm

re: #293 goddamnedfrank

If anybody actually thinks Bloomberg is going to be able to push through a ban on 20 oz. Starbucks Sweetened coffee drinks they’re high.

There’d be rioting in the streets. “No caffeine, no work!”

299 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:45:19pm

re: #293 goddamnedfrank

If anybody actually thinks Bloomberg is going to be able to push through a ban on 20 oz. Starbucks Sweetened coffee drinks they’re high.

Or that the fast food industry and movie theaters would roll over and accept a ban on their massive drinks. No way, no how will that happen.

300 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:47:14pm

re: #293 goddamnedfrank

If anybody actually thinks Bloomberg is going to be able to push through a ban on 20 oz. Starbucks Sweetened coffee drinks they’re high.

From your fingers to God’s eyes, Frank.

301 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:48:04pm

re: #297 Dancing along the light of day

But putting calorie counts on menus in restaurants, seems to be making a difference in peoples food choices, here in California.

And that’s why I can eat sparingly at Chipotle…

302 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:49:29pm

re: #301 It’s a cookbook!

And that’s why I can eat sparingly at Chipotle…

And why I will never set foot in a McDonald’s again. You know, aside from the fact that their food is garbage.

303 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:49:32pm

re: #299 Lidane

Or that the fast food industry and movie theaters would roll over and accept a ban on their massive drinks. No way, no how will that happen.

I’d hate to see what the theatres would do to make up those losses.

304 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:49:56pm

re: #302 Lidane

And why I will never set foot in a McDonald’s again. You know, aside from the fact that their food is garbage.

Fuckin’ A!

305 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:50:44pm

The most disgusting fast food item by far has to be that double-down that KFC had a few years back. Ashamed to admit I actually tried one of those things.

306 jaunte  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:52:32pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

You survived it; congratulations!
[Link: consumerist.com…]

307 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:53:42pm

re: #290 b_sharp

Is the person who named her the same person in charge of the cat box?

$CAT as in ‘Variable name unimportant, but is of class ‘cat’ “.

So, in a sense, yes. I named her and she shits outside, but in my yard. But she’s a pretty cheap critter.

308 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:54:08pm

re: #302 Lidane

And why I will never set foot in a McDonald’s again. You know, aside from the fact that their food is garbage.

I’m afraid the Big Mac is a comfort food to me. Normally, other than the breakfasts, I eat there maybe twice a year.

309 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:54:28pm

re: #306 jaunte

You survived it; congratulations!
[Link: consumerist.com…]

Heh. I really should be eating more healthy with my heart condition but damnit eating good healthy food is a little pricey.

310 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:55:01pm

I do like Panera Bread. That’s probably one of the better fast food places. Love their Cuban Panini.

311 Political Atheist  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:55:57pm

re: #277 It’s a cookbook!

Yes it is. Getting it a bit at a time. Learned to aim high typing. Deleted the garbage apps. Got my FB working kinda.

312 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:57:00pm

re: #307 erik_t

$CAT as in ‘Variable name unimportant, but is of class ‘cat’ “.

So, in a sense, yes. I named her and she shits outside, but in my yard. But she’s a pretty cheap critter.

I took it as having several meanings, including ‘money cat’, ‘poopy cat’ and ‘string with value = claws’.

313 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:57:38pm

You want good at a fast food place: Go to Wendy’s and get yourself a Baconator, especially a Double or Triple (not posted on the menu, but the register has the codes and the staffs know how to make it). The beef is good, and the bacon is excellent.

The only downside is that it has mayonnaise if you do not tell the person taking your order to leave it off. Mayo on burgers is something that came to the US from Quebec, or so I’ve heard. That mean’s it b-sharp’s fault, since he’s the main Canadian on this blog. Bad sharp, Bad!

314 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:58:34pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Precisely. Really for the GOP to accuse anyone of supporting the nanny state, they would be drawing attention to their own nanny state bullshit that they’ve been in engaging from the moment they decided to court the fanatics in the religious right.

But they don’t see it that way.

Some animals …

315 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:58:36pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

You want good at a fast food place: Go to Wendy’s and get yourself a Baconator, especially a Double or Triple (not posted on the menu, but the register has the codes and the staffs know how to make it). The beef is good, and the bacon is excellent.

The only downside is that it has mayonnaise if you do not tell the person taking your order to leave it off. Mayo on burgers is something that came to the US from Quebec, or so I’ve heard. That mean’s it b-sharp’s fault, since he’s the main Canadian on this blog. Bad sharp, Bad!

Love my mayo on a burger dude, especially Bison burgers.

316 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 8:59:53pm

re: #270 Targetpractice

Speaking of Feline Overlords, I think mine are getting mighty irate with me. In my general slothfulness these past few days, I’ve been negligent in providing them their daily portions of wet food. I fear a revolution may be in the works.

Or the large gray fuzzy one may just nag me to death. I’m not quite certain yet.

revolution —against whom? They are the one’s in charge.

I fear you may be visiting the dungeons soon.

317 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:01:14pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

You want good at a fast food place: Go to Wendy’s and get yourself a Baconator, especially a Double or Triple (not posted on the menu, but the register has the codes and the staffs know how to make it). The beef is good, and the bacon is excellent.

The only downside is that it has mayonnaise if you do not tell the person taking your order to leave it off. Mayo on burgers is something that came to the US from Quebec, or so I’ve heard. That mean’s it b-sharp’s fault, since he’s the main Canadian on this blog. Bad sharp, Bad!

Wendy’s is one of the better ones. Used to go there a bit when I went to community college. Never really noticed the mayo on the burgers though. I like Wendy’s because they also have the choice of a baked potato. Love fries but baked potato works just as well.

318 dragonath  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:01:23pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

I had some fast-food french fries in Montreal. They were the most drippiest, greasiest things that I ever had.

319 dragonath  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:01:46pm

And they put this weird cheese sauce all over it too

320 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:02:14pm

re: #296 Lidane

Some good news this evening:

Charges dropped against honor student jailed for truancy

Moriarty?

really?

321 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:02:16pm

God all this talk of food makes me want one of those Primanti Brother sandwiches from Pittsburgh. I know it sounds weird and out there but french fries on a sandwich is good.

322 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:02:32pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

You want good at a fast food place: Go to Wendy’s and get yourself a Baconator, especially a Double or Triple (not posted on the menu, but the register has the codes and the staffs know how to make it). The beef is good, and the bacon is excellent.

The only downside is that it has mayonnaise if you do not tell the person taking your order to leave it off. Mayo on burgers is something that came to the US from Quebec, or so I’ve heard. That mean’s it b-sharp’s fault, since he’s the main Canadian on this blog. Bad sharp, Bad!

Mayo on a burger’s not a bad thing, or at least not as bad as pineapple on a pizza. Now that is a punishable offense.

323 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:02:45pm

re: #308 b_sharp

I’m afraid the Big Mac is a comfort food to me. Normally, other than the breakfasts, I eat there maybe twice a year.

I have one a block away so I get tempted way too often. That said, 99% of the time, it’s the breakfast sandwiches the lure me in. A cuppa. a sandwich & a vaguely potatoish patty? Well, it ain’t Julia Childs but after a few years in the Army you’d be surprised at what is good eats…

324 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:02:55pm

re: #311 Daniel Ballard

Yes it is. Getting it a bit at a time. Learned to aim high typing. Deleted the garbage apps. Got my FB working kinda.

If you want to go to LGF on your phone I suggest getting the Firefox browser from the Play store. It handles this site better than any ther browser I’ve tried. For everything else I use Dolphin.

325 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:03:09pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

I made the mistake of getting some sort of Wendy’s burger in Orlando after an Arizona->Florida straight-through drive. Though I hadn’t sat outside a compact sedan for nearly two days straight, it was so slimy and freak-lukewarm I had to throw it away. This was, for all intents and purposes, both my first and last Wendy’s experience.

If your food isn’t reliably held down in a booth by a college student after 35hr in a car, you need to rethink your franchising.

326 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:03:13pm

re: #316 ggt

revolution —against whom? They are the one’s in charge.

I fear you may be visiting the dungeons soon.

Attica! Attica!

//

327 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:04:10pm

SUBWAY! $5 footlong.

328 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:04:23pm

Five Guys Burgers and Fries.

And that’s all I have to say about that.

329 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:05:03pm

I like mayo on my fries. Mix in a little mustard —much better than ketchup.

330 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:05:23pm

re: #327 ggt

SUBWAY! $5 footlong.

See, after working and eating at Quizno’s for so long, Subway just isn’t all that good to me anymore.

331 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:05:29pm

re: #319 Be Zorch, Daddio

And they put this weird cheese sauce all over it too

Well, you can get cheese sauce at Wendy’s now, but I try not to do so often. It’s hard to resist, as I love a good order of cheese fries. But I do restrain myself, and only get such a thing once a week most weeks, and never more than twice in the same week. My goal is to limit that food to 5 times per month, which satisfies my craving, but keeps the calorie intake down to a tolerable level.

332 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:06:42pm

Holy Moldy! Family Sees Image of Jesus in Moldy Shower, Seriously.

333 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:06:47pm

re: #299 Lidane

Or that the fast food industry and movie theaters would roll over and accept a ban on their massive drinks. No way, no how will that happen.

The profit margin on drinks dispensed by syrup box fed fountain machines is just enormous. Here in California a 5 gallon bag in a box of Coke runs $63 retail, large wholesale purchasers can get better deals. At a 5:1 mix that’s 25 gallons of water plus five gallons of syrup equalling 30 gallons of product, or 3840 fluid ounces. There are other costs like cups and CO2 but factor in lean mixes and the fact that about one third of the cup is usually filled with ice and it’s not hard to see how fountain drinks are a huge cash cow, especially for theaters. In fact most new release Hollywood movie distribution deals demand a portion of the concession sales on top of the entire box office revenue, that’s how much money theaters make off of food.

334 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:07:33pm

re: #329 ggt

I like mayo on my fries. Mix in a little mustard —much better than ketchup.

My folks like theirs with Miracle Whip, which I blame on time spent in Europe during this Navy years.

Me, it’s usually ketchup, except steak fries, which I prefer with A1 sauce. Unless I’m at Outback, then it’s that dipping sauce they serve with Bloomin’ Onions.

335 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:07:35pm

re: #332 freetoken

Holy Moldy! Family Sees Image of Jesus in Moldy Shower, Seriously.

He came to wash away your sins and to help you clean your arm pits.

336 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:08:37pm

[Link: nmgastronome.com…]
Best burger and fries I ever had and it was fairly inexpensive too.

337 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:08:46pm

re: #322 Targetpractice

Mayo on a burger’s not a bad thing, or at least not as bad as pineapple on a pizza. Now that is a punishable offense.

Don’t start with me!

338 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:08:48pm

re: #332 freetoken

Holy Moldy! Family Sees Image of Jesus in Moldy Shower, Seriously.

What, did he get tired of showing up on toast?

339 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:09:50pm

re: #332 freetoken

Holy Moldy! Family Sees Image of Jesus in Moldy Shower, Seriously.

Rex Fungi!

340 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:09:56pm

re: #315 b_sharp

Love my mayo on a burger dude, especially Bison burgers.

Mayo doesn’t belong on burgers. That’s a mustard only zone.

Mayo should, however, be used to create spicy dips for fries, especially sweet potato fries. Yum.

341 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:10:00pm

re: #328 It’s a cookbook!

Five Guys Burgers and Fries.

And that’s all I have to say about that.

There’s a Five Guys in Evanston, but I’ve never gone there. The few times I’m in Evanston at lunch time, I go to Edzo’s. It’s a local place, and only open during the day, but it is outstanding. and for those who want ‘sustainable’, they’ve got beef that fits that bill; Prime Angus, too, if that’s your thing. Great place, well worth the visit if you’re ever in Evanston’s when its open.

342 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:11:12pm

re: #323 William Barnett-Lewis

I have one a block away so I get tempted way too often. That said, 99% of the time, it’s the breakfast sandwiches the lure me in. A cuppa. a sandwich & a vaguely potatoish patty? Well, it ain’t Julia Childs but after a few years in the Army you’d be surprised at what is good eats…

I like their coffee, what can I say.
The McDonalds just happens to be the only place on the right side of the road when I’m heading out of town, and I can tolerate the McMuffin and the potatoish thing if it means I can also have a large black Americano.

343 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:11:22pm

re: #322 Targetpractice

Mayo on a burger’s not a bad thing, or at least not as bad as pineapple on a pizza. Now that is a punishable offense.

CB & Pineapple - heaven on a pizza pan. ISO standard pizza is fine, but hawaiian remains the best. YUM!!!

344 jaunte  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:11:22pm

re: #332 freetoken

Splendora Texas, where Jesus comes to remind you to clean the damn shower every once in a while.

345 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:12:04pm

re: #328 It’s a cookbook!

Five Guys Burgers and Fries.

And that’s all I have to say about that.

We do not have those here.

346 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:12:09pm

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

There’s a Five Guys in Evanston, but I’ve never gone there. The few times I’m in Evanston at lunch time, I go to Edzo’s. It’s a local place, and only open during the day, but it is outstanding. and for those who want ‘sustainable’, they’ve got beef that fits that bill; Prime Angus, too, if that’s your thing. Great place, well worth the visit if you’re ever in Evanston’s when its open.

The burgers are good, but it’s the fries that are to kill for.

347 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:12:20pm

re: #340 Lidane

Mayo doesn’t belong on burgers. That’s a mustard only zone.

Mayo should, however, be used to create spicy dips for fries, especially sweet potato fries. Yum.

Next, you’ll say it can only be yellow mustard, none of that spicy brown mustard.

See, this is how the Nanny State works!

///

348 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:12:35pm

re: #332 freetoken

Holy Moldy! Family Sees Image of Jesus in Moldy Shower, Seriously.

What were they smoking?

349 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:12:56pm

re: #345 b_sharp

We do not have those here.

It’s not my fault you live in not-America.

350 jaunte  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:13:03pm

re: #332 freetoken

The Houston Chronicle tweeted that story last night, but it was just too embarrassing to repost.

351 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:13:08pm

re: #347 Targetpractice

Next, you’ll say it can only be yellow mustard, none of that spicy brown mustard.

See, this is how the Nanny State works!

///

It’s the other way around for me. Deli mustard is what Jesus would want. Yellow mustard means you hate freedom.

352 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:13:46pm

re: #344 jaunte

Splendora Texas, where Jesus comes to remind you to clean the damn shower every once in a while.

What do you expect? They’re north of Houston, for chrissakes. Nothing’s out there. Not even cleaning supplies, apparently.

353 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:14:19pm

Question for DF and the other Chicago area folks but how common are those Maxwell Street Polishes in Chicago? Had one on my layover coming home from New Mexico this winter and it was probably the best sausage sandwich I’ve had.

354 jaunte  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:14:26pm

re: #352 Lidane

I’ve driven by; they have a lot of pine trees.

355 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:15:02pm

re: #347 Targetpractice

Next, you’ll say it can only be yellow mustard, none of that spicy brown mustard.

See, this is how the Nanny State works!

///

I don’t have set rules on what kind of mustard. It just has to be mustard. Heh.

Mayo and ketchup on burgers = ew. No thanks. I’m a Texas girl, so mustard it is. XD

356 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:15:13pm

re: #349 It’s a cookbook!

It’s not my fault you live in not-America.

Just for that I’m going to talk Harper into annexing the US into Canada as our 11th province.

357 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:15:36pm

re: #354 jaunte

I’ve driven by; they have a lot of pine trees.

Pine trees, yes. Pine-Sol? Not so much. ;)

358 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:15:52pm

Is it weird if I go see Snow White and the Huntsman and root for the Queen?

359 dragonath  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:16:00pm

re: #352 Lidane

“Well, ain’t this place a geographical oddity! Two weeks from everywhere!”

360 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:16:21pm

re: #355 Lidane

I don’t have set rules on what kind of mustard. It just has to be mustard. Heh.

Mayo and ketchup on burgers = ew. No thanks. I’m a Texas girl, so mustard it is. XD

No mayo or ketchup?! You Philistine!

///

361 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:16:44pm

re: #346 It’s a cookbook!

The burgers are good, but it’s the fries that are to kill for.

In-N-Out is superior on both counts. I’m sorry, but it’s true.

362 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:17:34pm

Well, I’ve got to run. I’ve been getting only 3 or 4 hours of sleep lately and I have to climb a ladder 20 times tomorrow.

Goodnight.

363 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:17:42pm

re: #346 It’s a cookbook!

The burgers are good, but it’s the fries that are to kill for.

True that. They have several toppings for fries, including Merk’s cheddar. But seldom can I get to Edzo’s, and then only on the weekend, as it closes at 4pm.

But I have found another place where I get Merk’s and decent fries: L. Woods in Lincolnwood will get you some Merk’s on the side if you ask. One thing to note: The restaurant’s name owes nothing to either The Blues Brothers or Legally Blonde; I actually asked a manager about it one night when I was feeling especially curious.

364 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:18:12pm

re: #359 Be Zorch, Daddio

“Well, ain’t this place a geographical oddity! Two weeks from everywhere!”

Dammit. Now I’ve got this song in my head:

Youtube Video
365 Jalal bin Smokin  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:18:15pm

re: #361 erik_t

In-N-Out is superior on both counts. I’m sorry, but it’s true.

We just got an In-N-Out last week. “Meh,” is all I can say about it.

366 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:18:31pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Question for DF and the other Chicago area folks but how common are those Maxwell Street Polishes in Chicago? Had one on my layover coming home from New Mexico this winter and it was probably the best sausage sandwich I’ve had.

Common enough. Lots of places sell them here.

367 b_sharp  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:19:06pm

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

True that. They have several toppings for fries, including Merk’s cheddar. But seldom can I get to Edzo’s, and then only on the weekend, as it closes at 4pm.

But I have found another place where I get Merk’s and decent fries: L. Woods in Lincolnwood will get you some Merk’s on the side if you ask. One thing to note: The restaurant’s name owes nothing to either The Blues Brothers or Legally Blonde; I actually asked a manager about it one night when I was feeling especially curious.

I felt Especially Curious one night. She slapped me.

368 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:20:24pm

re: #365 Purple Throbbing Standby

We just got an In-N-Out last week. “Meh,” is all I can say about it.

Give the crews time to settle down. One should never evaluate a restaurant (especially an oft-rated chain) based on preliminary results. Hell, it took me several weeks to learn how to tie my shoes.

369 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:20:25pm

re: #367 b_sharp

I felt Especially Curious one night. She slapped me.

[smiles]

370 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:20:29pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Common enough. Lots of places sell them here.

Praise the Poles and pass the kolbasi heh then.

371 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:21:49pm

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Praise the Poles and pass the kolbasi heh then.

Kielbasa!

372 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:22:37pm

re: #365 Purple Throbbing Standby

We just got an In-N-Out last week. “Meh,” is all I can say about it.

Never had In-N-Out. I’d have to drive to Dallas for that, and I’d need a better reason than lunch to do that.

373 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:22:48pm

re: #371 It’s a cookbook!

Kielbasa!

Meh I’m Slovak.

374 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:23:01pm

Lord, all this talk about burgers and fries has got me hungry now. Middle of the night and here I am, considering an expedition in search of a bacon cheeseburger.

375 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:23:41pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

Meh I’m Slovak.

ahem

As am I.

376 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:23:43pm

re: #372 Lidane

Never had In-N-Out. I’d have to drive to Dallas for that, and I’d need a better reason than lunch to do that.

Jesus Himself would not be enough.

377 Stanghazi  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:24:25pm

re: #308 b_sharp

I’m afraid the Big Mac is a comfort food to me. Normally, other than the breakfasts, I eat there maybe twice a year.

Last year, one of my best experiences was to hit McDonalds in the early am for the free wi fi, the regular peeps and me became friends. So fun. I miss em.

378 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:24:31pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Question for DF and the other Chicago area folks but how common are those Maxwell Street Polishes in Chicago? Had one on my layover coming home from New Mexico this winter and it was probably the best sausage sandwich I’ve had.

Come up to Wisconsin for much better ones ;)

379 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:24:32pm

re: #375 It’s a cookbook!

ahem

As am I.

Ah, got any pirohy?

380 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:25:27pm

re: #379 HappyWarrior

Ah, got any pirohy?

Heh. Almost always have that with kielbasa.

381 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:26:26pm

re: #380 It’s a cookbook!

Heh. Almost always have that with kielbasa.

Well doing otherwise is heresy.

382 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:26:36pm

re: #358 It’s a cookbook!

Is it weird if I go see Snow White and the Huntsman and root for the Queen?

If I see it, I’m not going to give a damn about the Queen or Snow White. I’d go see it just for Chris Hemsworth, who is ridiculously hot.

383 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:28:32pm

re: #381 HappyWarrior

Well doing otherwise is heresy.

My grandfather and great-grandmother could very well rise from their graves were I to do otherwise.

384 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:29:31pm

re: #382 Lidane

If I see it, I’m not going to give a damn about the Queen or Snow White. I’d go see it just for Chris Hemsworth, who is ridiculously hot.

Okay, I see we’re coming at this from different angles…

385 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:30:12pm

re: #378 William Barnett-Lewis

Come up to Wisconsin for much better ones ;)

Won’t even have to go too far. Try the Brat Stop on Route 50, just off I-94. Very good brats and Polish sausages to be had, and since its Wisconsin the store there has an incredible variety of cheeses.

386 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:31:41pm

re: #358 It’s a cookbook!

Is it weird if I go see Snow White and the Huntsman and root for the Queen?

Not if you find Kristen Stewart annoying and many people do. Though to be fair, the twilight movies haven’t given her the best material to work with.

[dives into bunker]

387 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:33:54pm

re: #383 It’s a cookbook!

My grandfather and great-grandmother could very well rise from their graves were I to do otherwise.

Same.

388 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:34:07pm

re: #386 Dark_Falcon

Not if you find Kristen Stewart annoying and many people do. Though to be fair, the twilight movies haven’t given her the best material to work with.

[dives into bunker]

Nah, I’m not a Stewart hater. She’s just kind of outclassed by Charlize. Actingwise, of course…

389 Lidane  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:35:05pm

re: #384 It’s a cookbook!

Okay, I see we’re coming at this from different angles…

Whatever gave you that idea? ;)

390 Stanghazi  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:35:33pm

re: #382 Lidane

If I see it, I’m not going to give a damn about the Queen or Snow White. I’d go see it just for Chris Hemsworth, who is ridiculously hot.

Charlize Theron. Like Michelle Pheiffer. Timeless beauty.

391 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:35:40pm

Dammit, Disney, stop showing me Avengers commercials. Three times is enough.

Now gimme the blu-ray…

392 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:36:00pm

For British Eyes Only.

393 erik_t  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:37:22pm

re: #386 Dark_Falcon

Not if you find Kristen Stewart annoying and many people do. Though to be fair, the twilight movies haven’t given her the best material to work with.

[dives into bunker]

This resulted in my reading a Wikipedia synopsis of the series for the first time.

Good fucking god. I weep for humanity.

394 Stanghazi  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:37:34pm

re: #386 Dark_Falcon

Not if you find Kristen Stewart annoying and many people do. Though to be fair, the twilight movies haven’t given her the best material to work with.

[dives into bunker]

Kristen S. Was just damn lucky to get in twilight. She always looks grumpy, and she’s no more beautiful than you or I.

395 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:37:47pm

The slow deconstruction of modernity will continue…

Closure Nears for Two Hawaiian Observatories

396 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:38:57pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Question for DF and the other Chicago area folks but how common are those Maxwell Street Polishes in Chicago? Had one on my layover coming home from New Mexico this winter and it was probably the best sausage sandwich I’ve had.

They are everywhere

397 Stanghazi  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:39:09pm

re: #393 erik_t

This resulted in my reading a Wikipedia synopsis of the series for the first time.

Good fucking god. I weep for humanity.

Hey, the sex novel is the new thing. Cheer for humanity.

398 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:39:22pm

re: #395 freetoken

The slow deconstruction of modernity will continue…

Closure Nears for Two Hawaiian Observatories

I … haz… serious.., sadz. :(

399 Four More Tears  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:39:37pm

re: #393 erik_t

This resulted in my reading a Wikipedia synopsis of the series for the first time.

Good fucking god. I weep for humanity.

I’m sorry you found out this way. We were going to break it to you when you were older…

400 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:40:24pm

Night all!

401 Targetpractice  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:43:50pm

re: #393 erik_t

This resulted in my reading a Wikipedia synopsis of the series for the first time.

Good fucking god. I weep for humanity.

Yeah, they’re crimes against humanity, but apparently very profitable ones. How? That’s a question for the ages.

402 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:51:07pm

re: #401 Targetpractice

Yeah, they’re crimes against humanity, but apparently very profitable ones. How? That’s a question for the ages.

What I alway say when anyone talks about that Twilight crap is, “Have you seen “Let the right one in”? It’s so much better than Twilight.”

403 TedStriker  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:51:47pm

re: #393 erik_t

This resulted in my reading a Wikipedia synopsis of the series for the first time.

Good fucking god. I weep for humanity.

Vampires do not fucking sparkle!!!!11ty

///

404 Ming  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:55:33pm

re: #91 freetoken

Today Romney got Nancy’s endorsement

I’m very sorry to hear that. I admire Nancy Reagan for breaking with the Republicans over their opposition to embryonic stem cell research. I always liked President Reagan, without agreeing with him on everything, because I always felt (and still feel) that he really cared about the country.

Given how outspoken Mrs. Reagan had been about stem-cell research, I Googled Romney and stem cells, and found, in [Link: 2012.republican-candidates.org…] “Some stem cells today are obtained from surplus embryos from in-vitro fertilization. I support that research, provided that those embryos are obtained after a rigorous parental consent process that includes adoption as an alternative.”

Wow! Is this Romney’s position today? Sounds pretty “liberal” to me.

405 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, May 31, 2012 9:57:35pm

J.C. Penny Release Father’s Day Ads Featuring Two Gay Dads

Nice try, but I still wouldn’t want to be seen shopping there! Nordstrom’s or Bloomindales for me.

406 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 10:01:20pm

re: #405 ReamWorks SKG

J.C. Penny Release Father’s Day Ads Featuring Two Gay Dads

Nice try, but I still wouldn’t want to be seen shopping there! Nordstrom’s or Bloomindales for me.

I shop at value village and goodwill, lol

407 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 31, 2012 10:02:14pm

re: #405 ReamWorks SKG

and craigslist

408 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, May 31, 2012 10:03:29pm

re: #407 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I “freecycle” a lot of my unwanted things on Craigslist. Works well for certain items, like 10-year-old stereo receivers that don’t have any of the connectors for anything modern. Usually I get a response and a taker within hours, and they’re happy to have it.

409 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 10:07:23pm

Wicked tyrants in black robes are persecuting AGs who go after the evil PP, or something to that effect:

Kline fires back

410 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 10:07:28pm

re: #405 ReamWorks SKG

J.C. Penny Release Father’s Day Ads Featuring Two Gay Dads

Nice try, but I still wouldn’t want to be seen shopping there! Nordstrom’s or Bloomindales for me.

Yes, but they still get brownie points for flipping calls to boycott them the bird (no offense, WUB).

411 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, May 31, 2012 10:19:07pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

Yes! When were criticized for having Ellen Degeneres as a spokesperson (who seems to be a pleasant, uncontroversial person on her talk show), J.C. Penney released a statement that read: “Ellen represents the values of our company.”

Most other retailers try to doubletalk their way out of these things.

412 sagehen  Thu, May 31, 2012 10:21:28pm

The George/Laura official portaits:

[Link: 2012.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

Maybe it’s just me, but George’s portrait is actually one of the best pictures of him I’ve ever seen. I’m also really impressed with his suit and tie (in the portrait, not in the today photo), they’re much nicer than anything I ever saw him wearing in real life. The Laura painting… not so much. It doesn’t even look like her, and the dress is ugly.

The dress Michelle was wearing for the event is spectacular. I’ll have to check the blog to see if I can afford one (it’s been more than a week since she wore something I wanted, I was starting to worry).

413 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 31, 2012 10:29:42pm

re: #411 ReamWorks SKG

Yes! When were criticized for having Ellen Degeneres as a spokesperson (who seems to be a pleasant, uncontroversial person on her talk show), J.C. Penney released a statement that read: “Ellen represents the values of our company.”

Most other retailers try to doubletalk their way out of these things.

J. C. Penny realized they were going to be screamed at and attacked no matter what course they chose with Ellen, so they decided to do the right thing and ‘let the devil take the hindmost’. The surprising thing happened when Bill O’Reilly defended them, calling one of the boycott calls McCarthyism (which it was). It’s good it see a good guy win sometimes.

Good night, all.

414 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 10:47:13pm

For those interested in ancient manuscripts, Christies is going to do an auction with an interesting lot, including a 4th century coptic papyrus:


Christie’s Auction of an Early Christian Papyrus Document


That blog entry makes the case that this document will likely be lost to the public and maybe even scholars.

A great deal of antiquities disappear down the rat hole. I wonder what exists in private collections, and how much more could be known if it saw the light of day.

If you read French you can read the only translation here:
[Link: suciualin.files.wordpress.com…]

415 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 31, 2012 10:47:14pm

Late to the thread (early morning here) but let us recall that to some people there are Higher Truths.

One of these being that Planned Parenthood (in fact any kind of planning of parenthood beyond married couples using the rhythym method) is evil and must be combatted with all means at hand.

These Truths have more value than mere facts. and facts may be altered or omitted in order to present the Higher Truth.

416 freetoken  Thu, May 31, 2012 11:22:33pm
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417 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 31, 2012 11:27:45pm

drip…

418 EdDantes  Thu, May 31, 2012 11:35:08pm

re: #417 Expand Your Ground

drip…

coffee.

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419 freetoken  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:09:05am
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420 Lidane  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:09:45am

re: #405 ReamWorks SKG

J.C. Penny Release Father’s Day Ads Featuring Two Gay Dads

Nice try, but I still wouldn’t want to be seen shopping there! Nordstrom’s or Bloomindales for me.

True, but the RWNJ freakout over the ad is more than worth it.

421 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:14:58am

re: #420 Lidane

What is RWNJ?

422 Kragar  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:18:57am

re: #421 EdDantes

What is RWNJ?

Right Wing Nut Job

423 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:25:27am

re: #422 Kragar

Right Wing Nut Job

Thanks. I don’t think anyone will freak out over it. I didn’t know J.C. Penny was still in business. More power to ‘em.

424 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:27:43am

re: #423 EdDantes

Thanks. I don’t think anyone will freak out over it. I didn’t know J.C. Penny was still in business. More power to ‘em.

Of course they will. There are some people who feel compelled to overreact to any sign of teh gey agenda creeping into their vision of what a wholesome, moral America should be.

425 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:31:52am

re: #424 Expand Your Ground

Although I think no one gives a shit, I await the riots.

426 Kragar  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:37:26am

One Million Moms attacks J.C. Penney’s Father’s Day ad featuring gay Dallas couple and their kids

I guess they have plenty of free time after their Ellen Degeneres boycott went nowhere.

427 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:40:20am

re: #426 Kragar

One Million Moms attacks J.C. Penney’s Father’s Day ad featuring gay Dallas couple and their kids

I guess they have plenty of free time after their Ellen Degeneres boycott went nowhere.

The million-mom marchers seem to want J.C Penney to remain “neutral” in the culture wars. So I guess that means they should not post any photos of any families anywhere at all in their advertising…

428 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:45:07am

re: #427 Expand Your Ground

The OMM need to check the calender and understand that it is out of their control. They may be right but they have already lost.

429 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:48:50am

This gey thing goes beyond private morality and personal choice. The Dominionists see it as a matter of saving Our Great Nation Under God.

They see our “exceptional” status with God as dependent on our reflecting (their interpretation of) His Divine Laws in our own laws and Constitution.

Their view is that if we start allowing things like gay marriage, abortion, contraception, legalized drugs or prostitution, progressive taxation, etc., then we are just “shaking our fist at God” (to quote a famous evangelical preacher) and asking him to do to us what he did to Sodom and Gomorrah (which is a lot worse than what th guys in those cities were doing to each other)…

430 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:51:56am

re: #429 Expand Your Ground

They may reap the whirlwind but only time will reveal who was right.

431 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 12:56:53am

re: #430 EdDantes

One of my favorite cartoons had the caption “The Gay Agenda”. It showed two fellows having breakfast and the following:

8:00 am work
12:00 lunch
1:00 more work
6:00 dinner
8:00 a movie, maybe?
11:00 some reading and sleep

This is how most normal people understand teh gey agenda, only those obsessed with other peoples’ sexuality (be it gay or straight) can get worked up over such things.

432 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 1:06:22am

re: #431 Expand Your Ground

My favorite cartoon was from about thirty five years ago. Two cave men dressed in skins and carrying clubs were talking. One of then says to the other. ” Now that we can speak and walk upright, let’s form a committee and
and have a meeting,”

433 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 1:14:32am

re: #431 Expand Your Ground

I don’t care what gays do or how openly they do it. This is Americas future like it or not. There is nothing that can be done about it nor should we try to stop it. We can no more stop it than we can put science back in a bottle.
This is the future, now.

434 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 1:17:18am

re: #433 EdDantes

I don’t care what gays do or how openly they do it. This is Americas future like it or not. There is nothing that can be done about it nor should we try to stop it. We can no more stop it than we can put science back in a bottle.
This is the future, now.

Explain that to the Dominionists. They really think that we have to keep a lid on teh gey or risk Fire and Brimstone From Above.

435 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 1:17:22am

Good night everyone. “Don’t let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy.”

436 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 1:20:16am

re: #434 Expand Your Ground

Explain that to the Dominionists. They really think that we have to keep a lid on teh gey or risk Fire and Brimstone From Above.

Too many have tried and failed. But they keep on trying and continue to fail.

437 EdDantes  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 1:20:47am

Again, good night.

438 researchok  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 1:21:53am

Good Morning, all

439 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 1:23:22am

re: #436 EdDantes

Too many have tried and failed. But they keep on trying and continue to fail.

They won’t even listen to the Supreme Court on that issue. After all, it was Jesus who wrote the Constitution, and he was against gays, wasn’t he?

440 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 1:51:19am

re: #414 freetoken

For those interested in ancient manuscripts, Christies is going to do an auction with an interesting lot, including a 4th century coptic papyrus:

Christie’s Auction of an Early Christian Papyrus Document

That blog entry makes the case that this document will likely be lost to the public and maybe even scholars.

A great deal of antiquities disappear down the rat hole. I wonder what exists in private collections, and how much more could be known if it saw the light of day.

If you read French you can read the only translation here:
[Link: suciualin.files.wordpress.com…]

There should be a law that forbids dealing in new-found antique documents at least until they’ve been thoroughly studied by scholars, if ever.

441 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 2:05:30am

re: #440 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

There should be a law that forbids dealing in new-found antique documents at least until they’ve been thoroughly studied by scholars, if ever.

This is another ongoing example of Free Market Fail: how do we determine when someting is a priceless part of our cultural heritage, or just another commodity to be traded?

442 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 2:14:31am

re: #435 EdDantes

too late

443 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 2:38:18am

re: #440 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

There should be a law that forbids dealing in new-found antique documents at least until they’ve been thoroughly studied by scholars, if ever.

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444 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 3:25:17am

re: #443 Obdicut

ninja took your quarter

445 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 3:25:39am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Silly hippies

Not sure why you’re calling Mike Bloomberg a hippie given that he is a moderate Republican (which probably makes him one of your favorite politicians), but I agree that he is silly (both because he is a Republican and because of this measure). I think that given the choice of limiting customers’ choice and making customers’ choice informed the government should strive for the latter as much as possible. So in this case they should not prohibit selling of soda in any cups, they can sell it by gallon if they want. It’s just big cups should have both text and visual information about potential consequences of abusing soda. Very visual information, if you know what I’m talking about. Same with cigarette packs, raw milk, etc. After that? Buy all you want.

446 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 3:25:40am

re: #444 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

ninja took your quarter

ninja cut the link

447 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 3:32:29am

re: #445 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

I really do not understand what is behind this ban. Especially from a Republican.

One thing we do need to educate people on is that processed sugar is not really food, it is a drug. And remind them that most of the food we eat is not grown by a happy farmer on his family farm, it is the (by)product of an industrial process.

448 freetoken  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 3:40:24am
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449 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 3:40:38am

re: #447 Expand Your Ground

I’m always conflicted by stuff like this because it actually works. If you force smaller portion sizes, people actually eat less. But it’s so ham-handed, and it gins up so much resentment, I don’t think it it’s worth it.

Education, on the other hand, has much less of an impact, and is basically in competition with advertising, which gets to cheat.

I don’t have any actual solution. I don’t think the ban is a good idea, because it’s attacking a symptom and not a cause, but the cause is very problematic too; I think a lot of the problems in the US stem from advertising, which is a whole free speech issue.

450 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 3:47:27am

re: #449 Obdicut

Education has to get at the root ideas: the fact that processed, high-fructose corn syrup sweetner is not really food, it is much more of a drug and a major source of health problems when consumed in anything but moderate doses.

And we need to explain that the concept of modern agriculture has little to do with the happy farmer loading his truck with vegetables and driving them to market. That is the image I was raised with.

And education should not shy away from using the same techniques that advertising uses, just based on facts, not suppositions and preconceived notions.

451 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 3:49:37am

re: #450 Expand Your Ground

Education has to get at the root ideas: the fact that processed, high-fructose corn syrup sweetner is not really food, it is much more of a drug and a major source of health problems when consumed in anything but moderate doses.

Sure, but what I’m saying is that education is in competition with miseducation in the form of advertising.

And we need to explain that the concept of modern agriculture has little to do with the happy farmer loading his truck with vegetables and driving them to market. That is the image I was raised with.

I don’t think most people really give a shit either way about that.

And education should not shy away from using the same techniques that advertising uses, just based on facts, not suppositions and preconceived notions.

I’m good with that, but that takes us until a whole new territory in education.

452 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 3:49:59am

Morning all. I’ll give you my 32oz soda when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!

453 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 3:57:04am

re: #451 Obdicut

I’m good with that, but that takes us until a whole new territory in education.

That is what the Creationists and historical revisionists are trying to do with education…

454 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 3:57:23am

re: #452 RogueOne

Morning all. I’ll give you my 32oz soda when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!

shouldn’t take long…

455 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 4:05:14am

re: #451 Obdicut

Sure, but what I’m saying is that education is in competition with miseducation in the form of advertising.

and we need to start educating people on how advertising and modern media work.

a tough task, since children are exposed to advertising before they really know how to process it

and we are looking at thei first generations of children to really grow up that way. I am one of them. If it had not been for Mad magazine (with its strict no-advertising policy) I would never have learned to see the techniques they were using on all of us.

456 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 4:15:37am

re: #296 Lidane

Some good news this evening:

Charges dropped against honor student jailed for truancy

And some out of Indiana:

Elizabeth Olivas returns to Indiana for graduation after weeks stuck in Mexico
[Link: www.indystar.com…]

Back story:
Elizabeth Olivas, High School Salutatorian, Banned From Returning To The U.S. For Graduation Over Visa Technicality
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

457 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 4:22:29am

re: #446 Expand Your Ground

ninja cut the link

fooey!

458 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 4:24:37am

re: #455 Expand Your Ground

and we need to start educating people on how advertising and modern media work.

a tough task, since children are exposed to advertising before they really know how to process it

and we are looking at thei first generations of children to really grow up that way. I am one of them. If it had not been for Mad magazine (with its strict no-advertising policy) I would never have learned to see the techniques they were using on all of us.

I was given exactly this education about how advertising manipulates expectations and distracts with imagery, false/misleading statistical claims, etc etc in like 7th grade, but I was lucky and was in a public school that had some money

459 RogueOne  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 4:37:15am

Possible new suspect emerges after man spends nearly five years awaiting trial for murder
[Link: www.courier-journal.com…]

Langantta’s trial now is scheduled to start in November, more delays are possible.

In fact, new evidence — test results on DNA that had been found under the fingernails of the victim, Tina Tatro — has prosecutors re-evaluating the case.

A judge had ordered the DNA tested in 2009 — yet it took nearly three years to get the tests done and results back. And instead of implicating Lagantta, the DNA matched a key witness against him, John Burkhead, a man who had a relationship with Tatro, discovered her body and told police Lagantta was the last person he had seen with her.

How is this not a violation of his right to a speedy trial? I seem to recall a local case where the defendant (drug charges) was released and the prosecution banned from bringing new charges because the guy spent more than a year in jail waiting for a trial. Even though he’s out now, this guy has spent 5 years behind bars and it looks like the trial won’t be for almost another year. That’s ridiculous.

460 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 4:38:36am

re: #455 Expand Your Ground

The thing is, there is no way to become immune to advertising and propaganda. You can do your best to innoculate yourself against it, but when its pervasive, it’ll still have an effect on you. It may not be able to get you to do something, but it can still make you feel a certain way. We are not perfectly rational creatures able to dismiss stimuli as irrelevant; it all gets in.

So if you see, for example, drudge link after drudge link about black people committing crimes, it really is going to affect the way you feel towards black people unless you have something to counter it with, or are already ‘partisan’ in the other direction (in which case the weird phenomena occurs where exposure to the counter-belief bypasses any processing and just gives you an emotional charge.)

Which leads to another problem with the ‘education is the solution’ part. If someone is already firmly entrenched, they don’t even really listen to counter-arguments, they simply reject them, and they get emotional pleasure from doing so. If someone is already completely convinced that Obama is a socialist usurper, calm educational proof that he’s not will not make a dent. The only thing that’s been shown to work is long-term exposure to the ‘good’ information, without any re-exposure to the bad. This is pretty much impossible to achieve.

This has obvious evolutionary advantages; once we’ve ‘learned’ something, constantly re-examining it is kind of a waste of time, most of the time. The problem is when we’re taught things that are explicitly wrong.

This is why propaganda is so dangerous, and why people dismissing its powers are such gibbering idiots.

461 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 4:51:10am

re: #460 Obdicut

we can never be never completely free of the powers of suggestion nor are we ever free of our hard-wired reactions and preconceived notions.

nor is education the solution, it is just a necessary means to help people be more free to make decisions for themselves.

and that is a key role for government: to make sure that what’s in the package corresponds to the labelling (although there are some free-market ideologues who insist that market forces should be left to regulate that, too)

462 Jimmah  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:27:32am

re: #445 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

Not sure why you’re calling Mike Bloomberg a hippie given that he is a moderate Republican (which probably makes him one of your favorite politicians)

Nor does Bloomberg advocate legalising marijuana. Another of the many facets of KT’s jewel of fail.

463 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:31:17am

re: #461 Expand Your Ground

The thing is, our government is also part of our culture, and always has been. A lot of our cultural icons are speeches made by politicians, bills signed, etc. Bills very often have a moral weight to them. And a lot of people seem to feel that all it should be is some robotic neutral broker, taking no position of its own. I think it’s fine for the government to take the position that science is good— hell, it’s written into the constitution that promoting the arts and sciences is one of the duties of the government. You can’t promote science if you pretend that non-scientific things are science.

465 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:32:40am

re: #463 Obdicut

The thing is, our government is also part of our culture, and always has been. A lot of our cultural icons are speeches made by politicians, bills signed, etc. Bills very often have a moral weight to them. And a lot of people seem to feel that all it should be is some robotic neutral broker, taking no position of its own. I think it’s fine for the government to take the position that science is good— hell, it’s written into the constitution that promoting the arts and sciences is one of the duties of the government. You can’t promote science if you pretend that non-scientific things are science.

Obviously, by science they meant theology!

466 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:33:31am

Does the decline of CNN signal the end of objective media?

467 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:34:29am

re: #459 RogueOne

BTW, I replied re: Warren in that thread.

468 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:36:15am

Cracks fingers.

469 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:36:56am

NYC. No sugary drinks over 16 ounces…

$2,000 a month for rent.

//

470 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:38:17am

Help reduce obesity in NYC. Lighter people can run away faster from a wingnut NYPD cop (from Long Eyeland) that’s about to fire 85 rounds into your body for scaring him with a cell phone.

Heroes.

471 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:39:44am

re: #470 Gus

Patriots drink sugary soda from buckets and barrels.

472 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:41:01am

re: #463 Obdicut

The thing is, our government is also part of our culture, and always has been. A lot of our cultural icons are speeches made by politicians, bills signed, etc. Bills very often have a moral weight to them. And a lot of people seem to feel that all it should be is some robotic neutral broker, taking no position of its own. I think it’s fine for the government to take the position that science is good— hell, it’s written into the constitution that promoting the arts and sciences is one of the duties of the government. You can’t promote science if you pretend that non-scientific things are science.

Government should not be robotic, as it is a human institution, but it must be neutral on matters of religion, race and sexual orientation. That is the law. That is often a tightrope, but that is why we have checks and balances.

473 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:42:07am

Yeah. I’ll have the 32 ounce triple cheeseburger with extra cheese. Deep fried cheese pockets. The triple order of fries. Battered fish sticks. The double ice cream sundae and the super chocolate cheesecake.

Anything to drink?

Oh yeah. I’ll have a 15.9 ounce Coke.

//

474 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:43:12am

re: #471 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

Patriots drink sugary soda from buckets and barrels.

In either case the republic is saved!!

//

475 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:45:06am

re: #471 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

Yes. Yes I do.

476 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:45:31am

re: #474 Gus

In either case the republic is saved!!

//

That one becomes the president who drinks from his tricorne hat.

477 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:45:52am

re: #473 Gus

Yeah. I’ll have the 32 ounce triple cheeseburger with extra cheese. Deep fried cheese pockets. The triple order of fries. Battered fish sticks. The double ice cream sundae and the super chocolate cheesecake.

Anything to drink?

Oh yeah. I’ll have a 15.9 ounce diet Coke.

//

FTFY.

478 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:48:50am

re: #476 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

That one becomes the president who drinks from his tricorne hat.

Free Tricorne hat shaped cup set with every full tank of SuperGo Gasoline!

479 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:50:32am

A non obese Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to consume sugar, shall be infringed.

Next stop! Iran!

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480 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:52:34am

re: #452 RogueOne

Morning all. I’ll give you my 32oz soda when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!

Philly flirted with taxing soda a little extra last year, but backed down in the face of the expected storm of protest.

481 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:52:57am

re: #466 dragonfire1981

Does the decline of CNN signal the end of objective media?

Maybe. Probably was the Telecommunications Act of 1996. CNN loses money because it’s ran by morons. I mean come on if you can’t make money running CNN you fucking suck.

482 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:53:11am

Sound the alarm bells! Eric Boehlert has a sad face.

Jon Stewart Rails Against Bloomberg’s Soda Ban

483 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:54:28am

So dumb.

484 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:54:47am

re: #455 Expand Your Ground

and we need to start educating people on how advertising and modern media work.

a tough task, since children are exposed to advertising before they really know how to process it

and we are looking at thei first generations of children to really grow up that way. I am one of them. If it had not been for Mad magazine (with its strict no-advertising policy) I would never have learned to see the techniques they were using on all of us.

Training children to understand advertising and such; essentially making them develop a “BS detector” will not be popular on a number of other fronts. Once you train them to ignore the words and emotional appeals and to look at the evidence and logic of the argument you have essentially also trained them to start looking at things like religion and politics in a critical manner as well.

485 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:58:01am

I would love to ban sugared soda in my house. Zedushka drinks gallons of it and he’s diabetic! He claims he can’t swallow his daily shitload of pills with plain water. He hates the taste of diet soda (which is just as bad for you as regular soda anyway)

I buy cases of flavored sparkling water (Perrier and Faygo).

486 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 5:58:49am

re: #471 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

Patriots drink sugary soda from buckets and barrels.

I await the New York Pepsi Party where patriots disguised as Cleveland Indians swarm the container ship and toss all the kegs of Pepsi syrup into New York Harbor.
:D

487 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:00:06am

re: #486 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I await the New York Pepsi Party where patriots disguised as Cleveland Indians swarm the container ship and toss all the kegs of Pepsi syrup into New York Harbor.
:D

While others disguised as Washington Redskins and Atlanta Braves dump the Coca-Cola and 7-Up.

488 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:00:23am

Mayor Bloomberg is a douche.

489 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:02:03am

re: #466 dragonfire1981

Does the decline of CNN signal the end of objective media?

No, because CNN isn’t objective. They were and then they decided to court the teabaggers and became TeaNN to compete with FOX and lost left leaning viewers like me. Fuck FOX-lite CNN.

490 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:02:47am

re: #489 moderatelyradicalliberal

No, because CNN isn’t objective. They were and then they decided to court the teabaggers and became TeaNN to compete with FOX and lost left leaning viewers like me. Fuck FOX-lite CNN.

Upding for TeaNN. :)

491 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:02:49am

re: #485 Learned Mother of Zion

I would love to ban sugared soda in my house. Zedushka drinks gallons of it and he’s diabetic! He claims he can’t swallow his daily shitload of pills with plain water. He hates the taste of diet soda (which is just as bad for you as regular soda anyway)

I buy cases of flavored sparkling water (Perrier and Faygo).

I’m a soda addict. I kicked smoking and other unhealthy habits but I can’t get of the rotten stuff. Sooo I’ve been making my own seltzer or buying seltzer. I’m able to at least lower the sugar I drink. Alot of times I just squeeze some lemon juice in a glass with some bar syrup. I like Monin syrups. They are made well and I seem to need less to get some good flavor out of it. Plus I tell myself I’m helping the environment by not driving around cases of soda.

492 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:03:39am

Good Morning Lizardia and denizens thereof.

Another sunny morning in Philadelphia. Coffee has been drunk and another workday begun. No screaming emergencies this morning due to work completed in Brazil last night (yay!). So I get to play catch-up with some projects due next week.

Feline Overlord doing well, and was prepping to take a snooze on a window sill when I left for work (after finishing his morning routine of course; eat, drink, bathroom visit, getting pestered by staff to take pill and those icky eye drops.)

493 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:05:12am

Don’t think Romney has any chance of winning? This says otherwise

494 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:06:22am

re: #493 dragonfire1981

Don’t think Romney has any chance of winning? This says otherwise

Hey no problem. Scott Walker created all 69,000 of them jobs here in Wisconsin./

495 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:07:55am

re: #466 dragonfire1981

Does the decline of CNN signal the end of objective media?

Heh. They leave CNN up on the TV in the lunch room at work*. Vapid, trivial, crap on 30 minute repeat. If something is breaking then you get repeated talking head crap as they overanalyze partial information and essentially belly-button gaze based on their preconceived bias concerning the situation.

And from what I’ve seen of the other 24-hour news channels they are the same, or worse.

* - Unless someone finds the remote and sets it to the local sports channel when there is an afternoon Phillies game on.

496 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:09:03am

re: #478 Gus

Free Tricorne hat shaped cup set with every full tank of SuperGo Gasoline!

You know what, I’m surprised the local vendors down near Independence Hall aren’t using Tricorne Cups (tm) yet.

497 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:09:05am

re: #493 dragonfire1981

Don’t think Romney has any chance of winning? This says otherwise

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The GOP has nothing to gain from an economic recovery in 2012.

498 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:09:14am

re: #488 Gus

What’d he do now? Besides the obvious backlash about his asinine soda ban. He found that he couldn’t tax the stuff, so now he’s thinking about banning it in super sized portions.

As if soda is the culprit to obesity? I doubt he’d be willing to ban any serving of Waygu larger than 4 ounces (or any steak for that matter), considering that most 4oz portions of beef have as much calories as the size soda he’s looking to ban (and beef has more fat, but more other nutrients as well).

If the issue is calories, why not ban super sized juices or milk shakes (those are exempt under the proposed rule). And if you’re a soda maker, why not add other nutrients to show that the sodas aren’t merely empty calories - one of the justifications for the ban/taxing of soda proposals.

Fact is that obesity is a problem but it’s not only due to nutrition (or bad nutrition). The fact that so many people sit on their asses all day and don’t get exercise is a major contributing factor. We simply eat far more than we burn off - and that packs on the pounds.

Portion control would go a long way, but that’s personal choice too.

499 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:12:05am

Any real solution to obesity would require societal commitment and cooperation and that’s you know communism. Look how Michelle Obama is attacked just for suggesting healthy foods.

500 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:14:58am

re: #499 Amory Blaine

Any real solution to obesity would require societal commitment and cooperation and that’s you know communism. Look how Michelle Obama is attacked just for suggesting healthy foods.

Michelle Obama is being attacked because of where she lives…

501 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:15:00am

re: #491 Amory Blaine

I’m a soda addict. I kicked smoking and other unhealthy habits but I can’t get of the rotten stuff. Sooo I’ve been making my own seltzer or buying seltzer. I’m able to at least lower the sugar I drink. Alot of times I just squeeze some lemon juice in a glass with some bar syrup. I like Monin syrups. They are made well and I seem to need less to get some good flavor out of it. Plus I tell myself I’m helping the environment by not driving around cases of soda.

I have been telling myself for years that I should buy a Sodastream. My daughter has one, but she lives in Israel where all bottled soft drinks and even seltzer is super-expensive.

502 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:17:12am

re: #501 Learned Mother of Zion

I bought the sodastream adapter from here. Once the initial kick in the pants is over, it costs pennies to make gallons of seltzer with the adapter.

503 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:17:17am

We have very strong and subjective reactions to anything that goes into our bodies, especially food. Food is more than sustenance, it is how we have come to identify ourselves. We see what happens when anyone even sugests how we should eat.

504 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:18:08am

re: #502 Amory Blaine

I bought the sodastream adapter from here. Once the initial kick in the pants is over, it costs pennies to make gallons of seltzer with the adapter.

We lived at the top ofloor of a five-story walkup in Frankfurt with no elevator. We finally bought a sodastream to save having to schlepp crates of soda up the stairs.

505 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:19:53am

Morning Lizardim. Happy Friday from the wild north country. What’s new out there in Lizardia?

506 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:20:31am

re: #502 Amory Blaine

I bought the sodastream adapter from here. Once the initial kick in the pants is over, it costs pennies to make gallons of seltzer with the adapter.

I sell sodastream at the Zionist Mall. They are sold everywhere now but I have had the online partnership for a number of years.

507 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:20:45am

I’ve cut back on soda consumption, but because it was burning a hole in my pocket far too often. It’s cheaper to buy seltzers - and I’ll take a litre size with me to work (so I not only drink more, which is healthy), but I’m not spending as much. Yet, I’ll still go grab a coke when I want.

508 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:21:18am

I generally avoided soda and sweetened drinks. However, I find that “bottled water” triggers all sorts of “what the hell, why are you paying $1-2 for tap water in a plastic bottle?!?” alarms. (Courtesy of being raised by well-educated parents who were raised during the Depression and WW2 - you want BS detector training, that’s one way of getting it.)

So I mainly drink tap water at home, cooling a jug of it in the fridge, or simply adding ice cubes*. Things are a little more difficult on the road, but I tend to do refills on a few plastic bottles and carry them along, or load up the water bottles that my bicycle can carry.

* - The Feline Overlord also enjoys a few cubes in his water as well now and then. Crackling and cool water is momentarily interesting.

509 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:22:15am

re: #507 lawhawk

I’ve cut back on soda consumption, but because it was burning a hole in my pocket far too often. It’s cheaper to buy seltzers - and I’ll take a litre size with me to work (so I not only drink more, which is healthy), but I’m not spending as much. Yet, I’ll still go grab a coke when I want.

I once grabbed a glass of 7-Up thinking it was seltzer. It was gaggingly sweet! Diet sodas all have a chemical taste.

510 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:22:54am

re: #499 Amory Blaine

Any real solution to obesity would require societal commitment and cooperation and that’s you know communism. Look how Michelle Obama is attacked just for suggesting healthy foods.

There’s a difference between recommending and regulating. Bloomberg needs to mind his own business.

511 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:23:53am

re: #505 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim. Happy Friday from the wild north country. What’s new out there in Lizardia?

This morning’s subject is the Socialist Attack on America via soda causing obesity and the subtle secondary attack of it opening the door for Michelle Obama to criticize American cuisine and eating habits. Pay no mind to all the fat children waddling around.
//

512 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:23:53am

re: #498 lawhawk

What’d he do now? Besides the obvious backlash about his asinine soda ban. He found that he couldn’t tax the stuff, so now he’s thinking about banning it in super sized portions.

As if soda is the culprit to obesity? I doubt he’d be willing to ban any serving of Waygu larger than 4 ounces (or any steak for that matter), considering that most 4oz portions of beef have as much calories as the size soda he’s looking to ban (and beef has more fat, but more other nutrients as well).

If the issue is calories, why not ban super sized juices or milk shakes (those are exempt under the proposed rule). And if you’re a soda maker, why not add other nutrients to show that the sodas aren’t merely empty calories - one of the justifications for the ban/taxing of soda proposals.

Fact is that obesity is a problem but it’s not only due to nutrition (or bad nutrition). The fact that so many people sit on their asses all day and don’t get exercise is a major contributing factor. We simply eat far more than we burn off - and that packs on the pounds.

Portion control would go a long way, but that’s personal choice too.

Good lord. Self-control. Could you imagine? Part of what you mention was my satrical point I made here.

513 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:23:58am

re: #507 lawhawk

I’ve cut back on soda consumption, but because it was burning a hole in my pocket far too often. It’s cheaper to buy seltzers - and I’ll take a litre size with me to work (so I not only drink more, which is healthy), but I’m not spending as much. Yet, I’ll still go grab a coke when I want.

I usually try to restrict my soda intake to the occasional shot of caffeine when I’m having a really rough week. I find myself easily addicted to caffeine, though, and doubly so to sugary drinks of any kind, carbonated or no. I just like something more interesting than water with my food.

514 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:24:57am

re: #513 thedopefishlives

I usually try to restrict my soda intake to the occasional shot of caffeine when I’m having a really rough week. I find myself easily addicted to caffeine, though, and doubly so to sugary drinks of any kind, carbonated or no. I just like something more interesting than water with my food.

Flavored seltzer is more interesting than plain water.

515 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:25:04am

re: #508 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I generally avoided soda and sweetened drinks. However, I find that “bottled water” triggers all sorts of “what the hell, why are you paying $1-2 for tap water in a plastic bottle?!?” alarms.

Bottled sparkling water costs less than 20 cents a liter at my local discounter. I mix it with fruit juices or syrups.

516 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:25:45am

re: #514 Learned Mother of Zion

Flavored seltzer is more interesting than plain water.

I would agree with you, but around these parts, it’s relatively hard to find and also pricey when you do find it. It’s somewhat of a luxury up here in the wild north country.

517 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:27:07am

Bacon kills!

//

518 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:27:17am

Regulating soda with consumption taxes isn’t attacking obesity it’s collecting money. How about Bloomberg have a real physical education program for the children of his state city? (sorry no sleep) Make it a model for the nation.

519 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:27:23am

re: #516 thedopefishlives

I would agree with you, but around these parts, it’s relatively hard to find and also pricey when you do find it. It’s somewhat of a luxury up here in the wild north country.

I always buy a couple of cases of Perrier when I visit Canada, because it’s much cheaper there.

520 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:27:32am

Also, corruption of Brazilian culture one person at a time continues. I’ve introduced a Brazilian contractor to old movies (Dr Strangelove) and also the cultural satire meme that is Robot Chicken.

521 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:28:04am

re: #518 Amory Blaine

Regulating soda with consumption taxes isn’t attacking obesity it’s collecting money. How about Bloomberg have a real physical education program for the children of his state? Make it a model for the nation.

Mandatory potholder making? :D

522 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:28:35am

re: #521 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Mandatory potholder making? :D

Only on rain days.

523 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:28:43am

re: #511 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

This morning’s subject is the Socialist Attack on America via soda causing obesity and the subtle secondary attack of it opening the door for Michelle Obama to criticize American cuisine and eating habits. Pay no mind to all the fat children waddling around.
//

I tend to side more with lawhawk here. While parents do often treat their kids like special snowflakes and feed them all sorts of crap, they also have the annoying habit of not getting said snowflakes off their steadily expanding butts. I know I’m going to be accused of being a horrible parent for this, but I fully intend for my child to spend more time outside the house than in when he gets to the age of physical activity.

524 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:30:18am

re: #522 Gus

Only on rain days.

True. Plus we can do character building by making them play dodge ball with older children.

525 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:30:52am

re: #523 thedopefishlives

I know I’m going to be accused of being a horrible parent for this, but I fully intend for my child to spend more time outside the house than in when he gets to the age of physical activity.

I spent a lot of time outdoors with my kids when they were too small to be outside on their own, they think it is the normal place to be when the weather is nice.

It helps that we live in a small village where they can run around and play in fields and woods without worry about being molested, not all children enjoy such luxury anymore.

526 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:31:10am

re: #512 Gus

Heh!
You mean a 15.9 ounce diet Coke. /

That’s the part that always cracks me up (especially among family members). They’ll gorge themselves silly but then rationalize that the diet soda and/or artificial sweetener for the coffee makes up for it.

527 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:31:35am

re: #524 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

True. Plus we can do character building by making them play dodge ball with older children.

In what has to be the ultimate irony, even though I was a scrawny geek growing up, I actually loved playing dodgeball. Except for the one time where I was nailed in the groin by the school’s baseball pitcher. That didn’t go over so well.

528 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:33:38am

re: #513 thedopefishlives

I’ve got my daily coffee, but an occasional Coke wont hurt things…

Then there’s the cost savings of sharing a big gulp-sized beverage. It’s often cheaper to buy one big drink than to buy a bunch of smaller ones (a hidden tax).

529 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:33:52am

I have to admit that when I was getting some of those Whoppers from Burger King last summer I was surprised at how big a medium soda had become. Damn thing is huge. However, I got the Diet Coke since I can’t drink all that sugary pop stuff in such massive quantities without passing out — OK, falling asleep. But that’s done through my awareness and my knowledge. Not by being told by some giant head what’s good for me.

530 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:33:58am

re: #525 Expand Your Ground

I spent a lot of time outdoors with my kids when they were too small to be outside on their own, they think it is the normal place to be when the weather is nice.

It helps that we live in a small village where they can run around and play in fields and woods without worry about being molested, not all children enjoy such luxury anymore.

My wife regularly takes my son outside to play on the deck even now. We live in a small Midwestern town, the only place I wouldn’t let him go is up the main street because of the bars. Other than that, there’s approximately 10 baseball diamonds scattered across the city parks, and ample room besides for roaming and playing.

531 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:33:58am

re: #527 thedopefishlives

In what has to be the ultimate irony, even though I was a scrawny geek growing up, I actually loved playing dodgeball. Except for the one time where I was nailed in the groin by the school’s baseball pitcher. That didn’t go over so well.

The one to look out for when I was in school was the vicious* and not very physically imposing looking girl that was a very good softball pitcher.

* - Especially towards the “geeks”. She had an anti-intellectual streak that showed quite often.

532 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:34:16am

re: #523 thedopefishlives

I tend to side more with lawhawk here. While parents do often treat their kids like special snowflakes and feed them all sorts of crap, they also have the annoying habit of not getting said snowflakes off their steadily expanding butts. I know I’m going to be accused of being a horrible parent for this, but I fully intend for my child to spend more time outside the house than in when he gets to the age of physical activity.

I found out, after 25 years, that when I used to chase my kids out of the house to “go play outside” they went across the street to watch TV at the neighbor’s.

My son went with his kids to the “old neighborhood” to show them the house he grew up in, and the neighbor was still living across the street,he is like 99 years old now. He invited my son to come in, cried that he remembered to visit, and my son showed his kids the TV and said “This is the TV your daddy used to watch!”

This neighbor is also a Holocaust survivor and it was through him that my kids learned about the Holocaust.

533 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:34:19am

I would hope dodgeball wouldn’t be the centerpiece of an anti-obesity campaign. But I know where I live. Sigh.

534 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:34:27am

re: #524 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

True. Plus we can do character building by making them play dodge ball with older children.

Dodge ball! Oh noz! Teh dodge ball iz teh bad for peoples.

//

535 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:35:01am

Gotta ban dodge ball. Too much violence. Same with football. I’ll get the mayor on it.

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536 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:35:17am

So, Bloomberg implements policing policies where young black men are systematically discriminated against as they are stopped and frisked, the vast majority of times with no results to justify the harassment.

And then he wants to ban sodas over 16 oz. and the public becomes outraged about government overreach.

I seriously have a hard time figuring out why people are actually upset about this ban. The concerns about government over-reach seem overwrought. Will this have the effect of reducing soda consumption (which really is a problem that contributes to the obesity epidemic)? Is anyone going to be harmed in any way by this legislation?

537 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:35:42am

If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball.

538 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:35:57am

re: #531 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

The one to look out for when I was in school was the vicious* and not very physically imposing looking girl that was a very good softball pitcher.

* - Especially towards the “geeks”. She had an anti-intellectual streak that showed quite often.

I was often able to surprise the anti-intellectual thugs on the dodgeball court because, despite having a weak arm and poor aim, I had excellent reflexes and was generally capable of deflecting or dodging anything thrown at me. I’d usually wind up being the last out.

539 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:36:08am

re: #536 Talking Point Detective

Meh. It just shows that Bloomberg has screwed up priorities.

540 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:38:27am

Morning all!

We are truly doomed.

Gallup: 46% of American’s think we sprang from G-d’s head fully formed.

And how is your morning?

541 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:38:51am

re: #534 Gus

Dodge ball! Oh noz! Teh dodge ball iz teh bad for peoples.

//

Actually dodge ball was less discriminatory than putting 30 boys out on the field to play baseball/softball for gym class. In the latter case the hierarchy came out real quick in the formation of batting order and defensive position assignments. (The Calvin & Hobbes cartoons with Calvin playing ball in gym class hit this dead on.)

542 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:39:25am

re: #540 ggt

Morning all!

We are truly doomed.

Gallup: 46% of American’s think we sprang from G-d’s head fully formed.

And how is your morning?

Morning? Coffee with 12 tablespoons of sugar and a couple of smokes or three.

//

543 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:41:45am

Beware the dangers of second hand high-fructose corn syrup!!11ty

544 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:41:49am

re: #529 Gus

Soda size (and portion size in general) has expanded significantly over the past couple of decades. It’s part of the notion of value - that you get more for your buck so it’s a good thing. And that’s the flip-side of the argument for the super-sized soda ban.

I’d rather have Bloomberg work with soda makers/distributors/sellers to voluntarily reduce soda portion sizes - noting that they’ve ballooned just as waist sizes have.

545 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:42:06am

Breakfast of Champions

[Link: www.nbc.com…]

546 Flounder  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:42:07am

re: #542 Gus

My father still uses saccherine tablets.

547 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:43:18am

re: #412 sagehen

The George/Laura official portaits:

[Link: 2012.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

Maybe it’s just me, but George’s portrait is actually one of the best pictures of him I’ve ever seen. I’m also really impressed with his suit and tie (in the portrait, not in the today photo), they’re much nicer than anything I ever saw him wearing in real life. The Laura painting… not so much. It doesn’t even look like her, and the dress is ugly.


The dress Michelle was wearing for the event is spectacular. I’ll have to check the blog to see if I can afford one (it’s been more than a week since she wore something I wanted, I was starting to worry).

Laura is a pretty lady, but the camera always seems to get the weirdest pictures of her.

548 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:44:14am

re: #546 Tommy’s cone of shame

My father still uses saccherine tablets.

I think my dad discovered those when he found out he was hypoglycemic. They’re OK. Used it many times myself. I have my coffee black. No milk and no sugar and nor artificial sweetener. Didn’t grow up with soda. Most of the time if we had anything sweet during dinner it was typically orange juice.

549 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:44:15am

Good morning.
I got new windows! Dropped off just a bit ago.
Got no forewarning.
Lol, silly landlord.

550 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:44:38am

re: #544 lawhawk

Soda size (and portion size in general) has expanded significantly over the past couple of decades. It’s part of the notion of value - that you get more for your buck so it’s a good thing. And that’s the flip-side of the argument for the super-sized soda ban.

I’d rather have Bloomberg work with soda makers/distributors/sellers to voluntarily reduce soda portion sizes - noting that they’ve ballooned just as waist sizes have.

Although I will readily admit that getting a 52oz drink from the gas station for $1.40 and sharing it with my wife is a grand way to save money and still get a sweet fizzy drink for a treat.

551 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:45:41am

And then late last night, I found out that a family acquaintance growing up (went to the same shul, knew her kids, etc.) was killed yesterday while walking along the street when a 75 yr old woman attempted to parallel park and lost control of her car. Damn… just damn….

552 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:47:23am

re: #544 lawhawk

Soda size (and portion size in general) has expanded significantly over the past couple of decades. It’s part of the notion of value - that you get more for your buck so it’s a good thing. And that’s the flip-side of the argument for the super-sized soda ban.

I’d rather have Bloomberg work with soda makers/distributors/sellers to voluntarily reduce soda portion sizes - noting that they’ve ballooned just as waist sizes have.

Meh. The focus on soda pop is just a distraction created by political opportunists. It’s more than just the pop. It’s overall diet and exercise. People will still be getting their 1000+ calorie meals at McDonald’s and BK with a 16 ounce Coke.

553 Flounder  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:47:26am

re: #548 Gus

Wow, flashback growing up, we only had Stewart’s brand soda, on Sundays, that was it. (fish on Fridays, betchya can’t guess what religion was jammed down my throat!?) Am I bitter? oh, a tad.

554 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:47:43am

re: #544 lawhawk

Soda size (and portion size in general) has expanded significantly over the past couple of decades. It’s part of the notion of value - that you get more for your buck so it’s a good thing. And that’s the flip-side of the argument for the super-sized soda ban.

I’d rather have Bloomberg work with soda makers/distributors/sellers to voluntarily reduce soda portion sizes - noting that they’ve ballooned just as waist sizes have.

I remember when a big gulp at 7-11 was the holy grail of sodas. No one else was doing giant tubs of sodas.

555 Political Atheist  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:48:08am

Good morning.

Gut check time-Am I crazy to object to this?!

556 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:48:51am

re: #553 Tommy’s cone of shame

Wow, flashback growing up, we only had Stewart’s brand soda, on Sundays, that was it. (fish on Fridays, betchya can’t guess what religion was jammed down my throat!?) Am I bitter? oh, a tad.

Catholic? My mom would always have fish on Friday. I think we had fish sticks. I never payed too much attention to those details. But we hated the regular fish which is what she would have. Too many tiny little bones!

557 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:49:10am

re: #539 Gus

Meh. It just shows that Bloomberg has screwed up priorities.

I don’t know. The obesity epidemic is a really significant public health problem. It’s not clear to me how to begin addressing that problem without implementing policies that could be attacked from the “nanny state” angle. And at some point you have to look at the bottom line of what is being regulated. I just don’t see a hardship with banning super-sized drinks. Some would make the argument that it will “hurt” poor people because the large drinks are more economical - but I don’t see enough evidence to feel confident about such arguments. There are a variety of potential outcomes of this kind of legislation, and I just can’t get concerned about the potential downsides.

558 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:49:10am

re: #552 Gus

Meh. The focus on soda pop is just a distraction created by political opportunists. It’s more than just the pop. It’s overall diet and exercise. People will still be getting their 1000+ calorie meals at McDonald’s and BK with a 16 ounce Coke.

But if the First Lady dares to make it her crusade to help nip the problem in the bud by promoting proper diet and exercise for our special little snowflakes, well, better call out the National Guard, we’ve got a war on our hands. DERP.

559 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:49:50am

re: #555 Daniel Ballard

You write to me - some govt bozo reads your mail. Bwahahaha!/

560 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:50:00am

re: #551 lawhawk

And then late last night, I found out that a family acquaintance growing up (went to the same shul, knew her kids, etc.) was killed yesterday while walking along the street when a 75 yr old woman attempted to parallel park and lost control of her car. Damn… just damn…

Oy, that’s horrible.

Ford makes cars that have unassisted parallel park. If I lived in NY I would totally drive one.

561 Flounder  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:51:42am

re: #556 Gus

I’m a catholic boy allright, never go back.
I love fish, but the wife hates fish, except tuna, go figure

562 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:52:29am

re: #506 Learned Mother of Zion

I sell sodastream at the Zionist Mall. They are sold everywhere now but I have had the online partnership for a number of years.

OMG! I love this!

563 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:53:00am

re: #555 Daniel Ballard

Good morning.

Gut check time-Am I crazy to object to this?!

Figures.

564 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:53:12am

Yeah but punishing consumers is the lazy mans solution. What about a fitness campaign? Do NYC schools even have PE? What kind of health instruction are they getting?

565 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:55:22am

re: #557 Talking Point Detective

I don’t know. The obesity epidemic is a really significant public health problem. It’s not clear to me how to begin addressing that problem without implementing policies that could be attacked from the “nanny state” angle. And at some point you have to look at the bottom line of what is being regulated. I just don’t see a hardship with banning super-sized drinks. Some would make the argument that it will “hurt” poor people because the large drinks are more economical - but I don’t see enough evidence to feel confident about such arguments. There are a variety of potential outcomes of this kind of legislation, and I just can’t get concerned about the potential downsides.

I think it involves far more than soda. There are issues of class, economics, education, earnings, family life, etc., that are involved here. A lot more than some feel good measure like limiting soda portion limits on the NYC population and its visitors. It’s not the diet as much as education and class stratification.

566 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:57:38am

I propose will replace all food items with a nutritious, gray goo.
Or soylent green.
Haven’t decided yet…

567 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:58:57am

re: #555 Daniel Ballard

Good morning.

Gut check time-Am I crazy to object to this?!

I also object. Don’t know if it will make it thru the court system.

Is there is some point in which the sheer number of citizens causes a need for an intrusive government in order to keep the peace?

568 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:59:02am

White Supremacist With Ties To Neo-Nazi Groups Elected To Pennsylvania County GOP Committee

In March 2003, he and two other KSS members were arrested in Scranton for beating up Antoni Williams, a black man, using stones and chunks of pavement. Smith pleaded guilty to terrorist threats and ethnic intimidation and received a 60-day sentence and probation.

569 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:59:07am

And this is the real irony of Bloomberg’s soda ban - he issued a proclamation celebrating National Donut Day.

Oh, and for the sweet-toothed minions among us - both Dunkin’ Donuts and Krispy Kreme are giving away free donuts (though I think you need to buy a beverage at DnD to get the freebie).

570 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 6:59:39am

re: #551 lawhawk

And then late last night, I found out that a family acquaintance growing up (went to the same shul, knew her kids, etc.) was killed yesterday while walking along the street when a 75 yr old woman attempted to parallel park and lost control of her car. Damn… just damn…

I remember when I was a kid. My dad scurried us all to safety up a Brooklyn sidewalk to avoid this car that was clearly out of control. Some drunk guy. The car ends up smashing into the curb almost neatly parked about 10 feet away from us.

571 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:00:02am

re: #569 lawhawk

And this is the real irony of Bloomberg’s soda ban - he issued a proclamation celebrating National Donut Day.

Oh, and for the sweet-toothed minions among us - both Dunkin’ Donuts and Krispy Kreme are giving away free donuts (though I think you need to buy a beverage at DnD to get the freebie).

Awesome! Good going Bloom! LOL

572 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:00:15am

re: #565 Gus

I think it involves far more than soda. There are issues of class, economics, education, earnings, family life, etc., that are involved here. A lot more than some feel good measure like limiting soda portion limits on the NYC population and its visitors. It’s not the diet as much as education and class stratification.

I will say that the food industry lobbyists (well the soft-drink lobbyists) have done a good job of getting their money. I rang up plenty of coke and pork rinds for people who paid with their Link cards.

That, IMHO, is the problem.

573 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:00:16am

re: #569 lawhawk

And this is the real irony of Bloomberg’s soda ban - he issued a proclamation celebrating National Donut Day.

Oh, and for the sweet-toothed minions among us - both Dunkin’ Donuts and Krispy Kreme are giving away free donuts (though I think you need to buy a beverage at DnD to get the freebie).

Shhh. Don’t talk about the donuts please!!!

574 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:01:08am

Heh. For those who like reading history I have a recommendation.

_The Time Travelers Guide to Medieval England_. An interesting look at general life in 14th Century England, framed as a guide book for a time traveler. Covers social class, diet, law, etc.

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

I picked it up for use with my role-playing stuff. When I was talking to the reenactors up in Oswego I mentioned it, and one of them had a copy in his backpack. :) (He was also the guy wearing the Black Death European Tour T-shirt. [Link: www.northernsun.com…]

575 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:01:21am
Youtube Video
576 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:01:47am

re: #566 Varek Raith

I propose will replace all food items with a nutritious, gray goo.
Or soylent green.
Haven’t decided yet…

How about a kibble that tastes like wet newspaper. Teaches the lower class what they really are.
/

577 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:02:52am

re: #569 lawhawk

And this is the real irony of Bloomberg’s soda ban - he issued a proclamation celebrating National Donut Day.

Oh, and for the sweet-toothed minions among us - both Dunkin’ Donuts and Krispy Kreme are giving away free donuts (though I think you need to buy a beverage at DnD to get the freebie).

That’s just too funny. Great find.

578 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:03:24am

re: #574 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Heh. For those who like reading history I have a recommendation.

_The Time Travelers Guide to Medieval England_. An interesting look at general life in 14th Century England, framed as a guide book for a time traveler. Covers social class, diet, law, etc.

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

I picked it up for use with my role-playing stuff. When I was talking to the reenactors up in Oswego I mentioned it, and one of them had a copy in his backpack. :) (He was also the guy wearing the Black Death European Tour T-shirt. [Link: www.northernsun.com…]

This one is great!Your text to link…

579 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:03:44am

Beware of 2nd hand donuts.

580 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:04:42am

COFFEE!

581 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:04:59am

re: #565 Gus

I think it involves far more than soda. There are issues of class, economics, education, earnings, family life, etc., that are involved here. A lot more than some feel good measure like limiting soda portion limits on the NYC population and its visitors. It’s not the diet as much as education and class stratification.

The ban won’t solve the obesity problem - but that’s the kind of standard I typically see from libertarians. It may help marginally to reduce caloric intake among groups that have high obesity rates.

Issues of class, economics, education, etc. will overlap with any attempt to address the obesity epidemic.

I don’t think the ban would have a large impact, but I am completely unconcerned about people having a harder time buying 32 oz sodas.

582 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:05:08am

Image: Donuts_20120531134241_320_240.JPG

583 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:06:01am

re: #582 Gus

Image: Donuts_20120531134241_320_240.JPG

You are evil!

584 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:07:04am

re: #582 Gus

Image: Donuts_20120531134241_320_240.JPG

A donut like that is no big deal a couple times a year. I know people who would eat that everyday.
Amercia!
;)

585 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:07:50am

re: #582 Gus

I’m more of a savory guy.

586 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:08:07am

re: #581 Talking Point Detective

The ban won’t solve the obesity problem - but that’s the kind of standard I typically see from libertarians. It may help marginally to reduce caloric intake among groups that have high obesity rates.

Issues of class, economics, education, etc. will overlap with any attempt to address the obesity epidemic.

I don’t think the ban would have a large impact, but I am completely unconcerned about people having a harder time buying 32 oz sodas.

I doubt it’s that simple. It probably comes with mounds of paper work. Re-printing menus. Enforcement. Fines. Another thing to add to the list of things to look for by health inspectors followed by a demand for increasing wages of said inspectors and their pensions. This is NYC.

587 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:08:14am

Mmm. Wish I had a big warm bear claw right now. Stuffed with almond paste.

588 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:08:22am

re: #582 Gus

Image: Donuts_20120531134241_320_240.JPG

Oh, don’t do that. I love sweets of just about every kind. I’m drooling right now.

589 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:09:15am

Sunflower seeds.
Legal crack.
:)

590 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:10:27am

????

I admit I am ignorant. What is the Bilderberg Group?

592 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:11:00am

re: #590 ggt

???

I admit I am ignorant. What is the Bilderberg Group?

Basically, a bunch of rich, powerful old farts that get together every year and talk about things.

593 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:11:25am

re: #590 ggt

???

I admit I am ignorant. What is the Bilderberg Group?

Sekrit Wurld Gubbimint.

594 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:12:18am

re: #590 ggt

???

I admit I am ignorant. What is the Bilderberg Group?

Like the Illuminati.
OOGA BOOGA!

595 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:12:21am

re: #590 ggt

???

I admit I am ignorant. What is the Bilderberg Group?

A cover organization for the Feline Overlords. Serves as a distraction for the conspiracy nuts.

596 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:13:11am

re: #593 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

Sekrit Wurld Gubbimint.

Just another group of Juice sekritly controlling the Murican gubernment!

//

597 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:14:22am

re: #585 Obdicut

I’m more of a savory guy.

Umami!

598 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:16:48am

re: #268 Daniel Ballard

Sorry for the delay, I’m trying to set up a new smartphone. Frustrating at first.

There’s a new handheld irritant pop up: “mobilewinner.org”

Pop up blocker doesn’t block it.

The only thing that seems to work, is to turn cookies off.

YMMV

599 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:17:26am

re: #596 Gus

Just another group of Juice sekritly controlling the Murican gubernment!

//

Ohmigod! Influential rich people using annonymous donations to influence politics! WE MUST STOP IT!!!

600 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:18:28am

re: #586 Gus

I doubt it’s that simple. It probably comes with mounds of paper work. Re-printing menus. Enforcement. Fines. Another thing to add to the list of things to look for by health inspectors followed by a demand for increasing wages of said inspectors and their pensions. This is NYC.

Sure. Any such policy should be accompanied by a comprehensive cost/benefit analysis. Bloomberg is a politician, so I don’t trust his motivations in the least or that he’s basing this proposal on a sound cost/benefit analysis; but nor do I trust reflexive attacks against public health initiatives as “government over-reach.” It might turn out that there’s a benefit from this kind of initiative increasing public awareness, it might reduce caloric intake or it might only result in people replacing those calories with other empty calories; lots of open questions, IMO. But I just can’t get concerned about this, and I see the reactions as certainly no less of a distraction from the real issues than the ban itself.

601 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:19:49am

So, if we blame the Bilderberg Group for the Ban on Bad food —will that change things?

602 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:20:37am

Wonder if you can get a subsidy for farming your own corn syrup.

603 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:20:41am

Soros once spoke at the Bilderberg meeting! It’s a liberal plot!

604 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:21:45am

re: #603 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

Soros once spoke at the Bilderberg meeting! It’s a liberal plot!

They should invite Alex Jones to speak.

605 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:22:17am

re: #602 Amory Blaine

Wonder if you can get a subsidy for farming your own corn syrup.

You think that might already be happening?

//

606 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:22:20am

re: #602 Amory Blaine

Wonder if you can get a subsidy for farming your own corn syrup.

Coming to the attention of Monsanto and Cargill could prove counterproductive.

607 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:22:23am

re: #603 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

Soros once spoke at the Bilderberg meeting! It’s a liberal plot!

I knew it!

608 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:22:25am

re: #604 Amory Blaine

They should invite Alex Jones to speak.

*Heads Asplode*

609 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:22:26am

Good morning lizards!

610 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:22:34am

re: #602 Amory Blaine

Wonder if you can get a subsidy for farming your own corn syrup.

only if you promise to turn it into methanol to power your car so you can drive to the local drive-thru

611 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:22:36am

They’re all lizards too. Like us.

612 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:22:59am

re: #609 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Ban goldfish! (Pepperidge Farm in particular.)

613 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:23:17am

re: #612 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Ban goldfish! (Pepperidge Farm in particular.)

SILENCE!

614 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:25:09am

re: #612 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Ban goldfish! (Pepperidge Farm in particular.)

Only ban the purple ones!

615 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:26:18am

re: #614 NJDhockeyfan

Only ban the purple ones!

The pretzel ones, they suck.

616 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:27:56am

re: #614 NJDhockeyfan

Only ban the purple ones!

The green ones aren’t ripe yet. (Confirmed by Kevin Kline.)

617 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:29:17am

Speaking of conspiracies. Here’s another dumb one…

Unmarked Aircraft at Dulles Airport

For an explanation read Twin 767’s: All White Beauties At IAD at Airliner.net.

618 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:35:11am

Cherokees to protest Warren at convention

Cherokees angered by Elizabeth Warren’s claims of Native American heritage said today they’ll stand in silent protest against the embattled Senate candidate during Saturday’s Democratic Convention in Springfield.

“I believe we need a presence there. Warren hasn’t recanted her claims or apologized to the Cherokee people,” said David Cornsilk, a 53-year-old citizen of Cherokee Nation who co-created a group called “Cherokees Demand Truth from Elizabeth Warren.”

I guess this means Elizabeth Warren has lost the Native American vote.

619 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:37:42am

re: #618 NJDhockeyfan

Cornsilk is a highly controversial guy inside Cherokee politics, though.

620 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:38:00am

[Link: cornsilks.com…]

621 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:38:13am

re: #569 lawhawk

And this is the real irony of Bloomberg’s soda ban - he issued a proclamation celebrating National Donut Day.

Oh, and for the sweet-toothed minions among us - both Dunkin’ Donuts and Krispy Kreme are giving away free donuts (though I think you need to buy a beverage at DnD to get the freebie).

What size drink is recommended to go with donuts?

622 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:40:19am

re: #619 Obdicut

Cornsilk is a highly controversial guy inside Cherokee politics, though.

[Link: www.cornsilks.com…]

623 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:40:40am

re: #618 NJDhockeyfan

Cherokees to protest Warren at convention

I guess this means Elizabeth Warren has lost the Native American vote.

It means you don’t have to be in the Navy to get your own astroturf swiftboat.

624 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:42:09am

re: #622 Gus

[Link: www.cornsilks.com…]

Wingnut alert!

625 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:42:27am

re: #622 Gus

Woah, that’s crazy. Cornsilk is actually a pretty hyper-liberal guy.

626 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:42:35am

re: #621 NJDhockeyfan

What size drink is recommended to go with donuts?

16 ounces or less

627 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:42:36am

re: #624 Varek Raith

Wingnut alert!

It’s a little… strange. Another one: [Link: www.cornsilks.com…]

628 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:43:10am

re: #619 Obdicut

Cornsilk is a highly controversial guy inside Cherokee politics, though.

I read cornsilk and thought, at first, it was some new byproduct of corn production the food nazi’s were going to protest.

:0

629 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:43:24am

re: #627 Gus

It’s a little… strange. Another one: [Link: www.cornsilks.com…]

Ok, he’s just a nut.
Yikes.

630 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:43:37am

re: #618 NJDhockeyfan

Cherokees to protest Warren at convention

I guess this means Elizabeth Warren has lost the Native American vote.

Also indicates that she is going to lose against Scott Brown.

631 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:45:09am

re: #618 NJDhockeyfan

Cherokees to protest Warren at convention


I guess this means Elizabeth Warren has lost the Native American vote.

Did you bother to do any background on Cornsilk himself, or simply ran with it since it fit your desired narrative? Just askin’.

632 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:45:14am

Fed, watered and pooped. Brat Puppy is sleeping at my feet.

He may get to stay after all.

633 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:45:24am

re: #630 Expand Your Ground

On this non-issue? Really?

634 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:47:30am

re: #633 Obdicut

On this non-issue? Really?

She faced an uphill struggle in any case, Scotty B is a popular figure right now, at least in his home state, and this is just another stumbling block to keep her from gaining any momentum.

635 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:47:51am

re: #628 ggt

I read cornsilk and thought, at first, it was some new byproduct of corn production the food nazi’s were going to protest.

:0

After you extract the corn sugar you can polymerize the remaining long-chain sugars, spin them into fiber and make stuff like carpeting or clothing. Thus, “corn silk” - an alternative to wearing caterpillar spit which has been getting good PR for thousands of years.
;)

636 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:48:49am

This is really bad news. re: #631 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Did you bother to do any background on Cornsilk himself, or simply ran with it since it fit your desired narrative? Just askin’.

A background check? Do you do background checks on every person mentioned in an article before posting it?

637 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:49:45am

re: #636 NJDhockeyfan

This is really bad news.


A background check? Do you do background checks on every person mentioned in an article before posting it?

I’ll take that as “No”.

638 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:51:09am

re: #636 NJDhockeyfan

If I’m citing someone, I prefer to know who they are. If you don’t do this, you get into some odd positions, like when Mandy used to cite anti-semitic nutjobs because they were attacking Soros.

639 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:51:33am

re: #637 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I’ll take that as “No”.

No, I do not do background checks on people mentioned in every article I read. How about you?

640 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:53:33am

re: #625 Obdicut

Woah, that’s crazy. Cornsilk is actually a pretty hyper-liberal guy.

He considers himself a Cherokee Nationalist and the Martin Luther King of the Cherokee Nation. Seems like just another political opportunist getting in on the act.

641 erik_t  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:53:50am

re: #639 NJDhockeyfan

No, I do not do background checks on people mentioned in every article I read. How about you?

‘People mentioned’? Isn’t he kind of the centerpiece of the article?

642 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:54:01am

re: #639 NJDhockeyfan

No, I do not do background checks on people mentioned in every article I read. How about you?

Nice goalpost shift there. From “every person mentioned in an article before posting it?” to “people mentioned in every article I read”.

If I’m going to post or page an article link, especially on political subjects I generally *do* a little additional checking on the main people quoted to see if they’re sane - or to verify that they’re not sane if the point of the link is pointing out insanity.

643 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:54:48am

Sauce for the gander.

644 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:55:58am

re: #640 Gus

He considers himself a Cherokee Nationalist and the Martin Luther King of the Cherokee Nation. Seems like just another political opportunist getting in on the act.

Hey, he’s fought for gay rights in the Cherokee nation as well. He may just be an opportunist, or he may actually have a vision of what the Cherokee Nation should be and really believe in it. But he doesn’t represent all Cherokees, and often puts himself out as though he does.

645 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:56:14am

re: #638 Obdicut

If I’m citing someone, I prefer to know who they are. If you don’t do this, you get into some odd positions, like when Mandy used to cite anti-semitic nutjobs because they were attacking Soros.

It’s an article in the Boston Herald. I have an idea, go here and demand that the paper update the story with the background of David Cornsilk entered into the story. Become a hero!

646 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:56:18am

re: #638 Obdicut

If I’m citing someone, I prefer to know who they are. If you don’t do this, you get into some odd positions, like when Mandy used to cite anti-semitic nutjobs because they were attacking Soros.

Yeah, I try to at least have a clue. If I don’t have time to check-out the source, I post a disclaimer. (usually)

647 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:56:38am

re: #618 NJDhockeyfan

“I believe we need a presence there. Warren hasn’t recanted her claims or apologized to the Cherokee people,” said David Cornsilk, a 53-year-old citizen of Cherokee Nation who co-created a group called “Cherokees Demand Truth from Elizabeth Warren.”

They should get over themselves. That’s ridiculous.

648 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:56:39am

re: #641 erik_t

‘People mentioned’? Isn’t he kind of the centerpiece of the article?

He is a person isn’t he?

649 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:57:26am

re: #645 NJDhockeyfan

It’s an article in the Boston Herald. I have an idea, go here and demand that the paper update the story with the background of David Cornsilk entered into the story. Become a hero!

Well, I do think the paper failed in the general journalistic fashion these days, by not giving any background on him. The media is in a really shitty state. Luckily, since searching stuff is so easy these days, we can actually make up for shitty media. It’s one of the reasons I like LGF; people actually like looking into things on more than a surface level.

650 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:57:36am

When I first started posting on LGF, it was a much tougher forum as far as fact-checking. I wouldn’t dare post something I hadn’t thoroughly researched myself. I’ve been yelled-at enough here.

651 erik_t  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:57:49am

If Scott Brown’s best argument in favor of keeping his Senate seat is some right-field argument about a little box that his opponent may or may not have checked twenty years ago, I would certainly wonder what he’s accomplished in his time in the Senate and whether he has any business staying there.

652 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 7:59:59am

re: #648 NJDhockeyfan

He is a person isn’t he?

Bravo. The only “person” quoted in the article.

653 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:00:04am

re: #644 Obdicut

Hey, he’s fought for gay rights in the Cherokee nation as well. He may just be an opportunist, or he may actually have a vision of what the Cherokee Nation should be and really believe in it. But he doesn’t represent all Cherokees, and often puts himself out as though he does.

Here is what he has done for the Cherokee nation acording to Wiki:

Career

Cornsilk was hired by the Cherokee Nation as a research analyst to perform genealogical research on Cherokee families seeking registration in the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. From 1989 to 1994, he also was assistant director of admissions at Bacone College in Muskogee, Oklahoma .

Cornsilk has supported citizenship for the Cherokee Freedmen, whose status had been revoked in the 1980s. The Freedmen have challenged tribal laws and orders with litigation. Cornsilk wrote to Principal Chief Wilma Mankiller in 1988 asking her to take a larger issue of Cherokee nationalism.

In 1990 he worked with John Guthrie to expose the problem of Indian art fraud in eastern Oklahoma. As hundreds of artists were claiming to be Cherokee with no proof, he and Guthrie worked to bring the issue to the attention of the public. They handed out fliers and wrote letters to the editors of local papers. Some of the purported Cherokee artists protested and one attacked Cornsilk physically, resulting in the incident being called the “Indian Art War.” The US Congress passed the Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990.

David Cornsilk, Marvin Summerfield, and Thomas Fourkiller formed the non-profit “WhitePath Foundation” in 1991. It was the first organization to publish information on HIV/AIDS in the Cherokee language.

Seeking to remain independent, the three men created an independent news outlet in 1992 for events in the Cherokee Nation and United Keetoowah Band. They published the first issue of The Cherokee Observer in January 1993. Cornsilk was managing editor, Summerfield as language editor, and Fourkiller as religion editor. In addition, Marvin’s wife Linda Summerfield became health editor, Sandra Sac Parker was a reporter, Robin Mayes a political satirist, and Franklin McLain an opinion editor.
In 1995 Cornsilk filed a lawsuit on behalf of Bernice Riggs in the Cherokee district court, which was taken to the CNO Judicial Appeals Tribunal.

Although Riggs lost that case, it was demonstrated in court that Riggs had documentation of Cherokee blood. This had been ignored by the Dawes Commission, when it classified her parents as “Freedmen” rather than “Cherokee by blood”.

Cornsilk left The Cherokee Observer staff in December 1999, and served as a delegate to the CNO Constitutional Convention. He had participated in all aspects of the development of the 1999 constitution as a delegate appointed by the judicial branch of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma.

In 2004 Cornsilk filed another case before the JAT: Allen v. Council, on behalf of Lucy Allen, a Cherokee Freedman. They won that case, which overturned the negative ruling in Riggs, and struck down CNO law that imposed requirements for membership above and beyond those set by the Constitution.

Cornsilk continues to work as a political activist and lay advocate for Cherokee Freedmen.

654 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:00:25am

re: #651 erik_t

If Scott Brown’s best argument in favor of keeping his Senate seat is some right-field argument about a little box that his opponent may or may not have checked twenty years ago, I would certainly wonder what he’s accomplished in his time in the Senate and whether he has any business staying there.

I cannot say, but he does seem fairly popular in his state, one reason for which I suspect is that he does not toe the GOP line on every idiotic ideological issue they raise.

655 erik_t  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:00:29am

re: #648 NJDhockeyfan

He is a person isn’t he?

What a helpful response. You said that you don’t conduct research on ‘people mentioned’ in articles, which suggests that these people are mentioned in passing in such articles. How about when the person mentioned is the entire subject of the article? Mr. Cornsilk is by no means random-guy-interviewed-on-the-street in this feature. He is the organizer and sole named member of the group discussed in this article.

656 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:00:37am

re: #653 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks. Did you check out the section on Wiki labeled controversies too, or did you decide that wasn’t relevant?

657 erik_t  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:00:51am

re: #654 Expand Your Ground

I cannot say, but he does seem fairly popular in his state, one reason for which I suspect is that he does not toe the GOP line on every idiotic ideological issue they raise.

Only when voting time comes.

658 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:00:58am

re: #635 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

After you extract the corn sugar you can polymerize the remaining long-chain sugars, spin them into fiber and make stuff like carpeting or clothing. Thus, “corn silk” - an alternative to wearing caterpillar spit which has been getting good PR for thousands of years.
;)

Well, I don’t know. I somehow think Brat Puppy would eat that carpet.

659 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:01:12am

re: #655 erik_t

The funny part is that Cornsilk is basically a hyper-progressive, politically.

660 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:01:40am

Off to fetch kiddies for the weekend. WIll leave youse guys to tassle each other about Cornsilk.

661 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:01:44am

re: #649 Obdicut

The media is in a really shitty state.

You couldn’t say it better. That we can both agree with.

662 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:02:14am

Anybody who is *that* hung up on their ethnic identity as to go protest against someone whose understanding of such identity may be different, even if very naive, is suspect to me (a bit of an understatement).

663 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:02:21am

re: #661 NJDhockeyfan

You couldn’t say it better. That we can both agree with.

So why do you perpetuate the problem by just linking a shitty media story, without using your own initiative and intelligence to look more deeply into the story? And why do you appear often hostile when other people do?

664 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:02:31am
The anthropologist Circe Sturm characterizes Cornsilk’s involvement in the Freedmen issue as one that is driven by primarily political motives.[2] She thinks his support of recognition of the freedmen as tribal citizens would extend the Cherokee Nation’s power base, and placate, possibly silence, some of its most persistent critics. According to Sturm, Cornsilk thinks that the Cherokee Nation should not use strictly racial means for identifying its citizenry. He believes these are based on a fear that Cherokee citizens of mixed European-Cherokee heritage are in danger of being reclassified as not Cherokee. Cornsilk believes that the Cherokee Nation must resolve the issue before the U.S. government imposes a conservative definition of “Indianness,” which might cause the Nation to lose over half of its citizens.[2]

Cornsilk does not believe in the right of people to self-identify as Cherokee. He believes that the authority of the tribe stems from the group, and that self-identification “is an assault on the right of the group.”[4]

Cornsilk has encountered considerable opposition among the Cherokee. In many people’s thinking, Cherokee nationalism is closely tied to ideas of race and culture. Sturm thinks these are “misperceptions.” She describes Cornsilk as an exception to the norm for the Cherokee, for his desire to put self-preservation of the Nation ahead of race or culture.[2]

665 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:03:18am

re: #656 Obdicut

Thanks. Did you check out the section on Wiki labeled controversies too, or did you decide that wasn’t relevant?

Sure did. Here it is:

Controversy

The anthropologist Circe Sturm characterizes Cornsilk’s involvement in the Freedmen issue as one that is driven by primarily political motives.[2] She thinks his support of recognition of the freedmen as tribal citizens would extend the Cherokee Nation’s power base, and placate, possibly silence, some of its most persistent critics. According to Sturm, Cornsilk thinks that the Cherokee Nation should not use strictly racial means for identifying its citizenry. He believes these are based on a fear that Cherokee citizens of mixed European-Cherokee heritage are in danger of being reclassified as not Cherokee. Cornsilk believes that the Cherokee Nation must resolve the issue before the U.S. government imposes a conservative definition of “Indianness,” which might cause the Nation to lose over half of its citizens.[2]

Cornsilk does not believe in the right of people to self-identify as Cherokee. He believes that the authority of the tribe stems from the group, and that self-identification “is an assault on the right of the group.”[4]

Cornsilk has encountered considerable opposition among the Cherokee. In many people’s thinking, Cherokee nationalism is closely tied to ideas of race and culture. Sturm thinks these are “misperceptions.” She describes Cornsilk as an exception to the norm for the Cherokee, for his desire to put self-preservation of the Nation ahead of race or culture.

666 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:03:59am

re: #662 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

He thinks self-identification is wrong, and that only the group is allowed to say who is and isn’t a Cherokee. He views self-identification as wrong on a fundamental level. So he’s all about ethnic identity— but he doesn’t, at the same time, think that identity is genetically based.

667 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:04:25am

What is deal with the KKK and the Cherokees?

668 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:04:40am

re: #663 Obdicut

So why do you perpetuate the problem by just linking a shitty media story, without using your own initiative and intelligence to look more deeply into the story? And why do you appear often hostile when other people do?

Me hostile? I don’t get hostile on here.

669 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:04:59am

re: #668 NJDhockeyfan

Me hostile? I don’t get hostile on here.

Okay, sorry, passive aggressive. Whatever you want to call it.

671 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:05:53am

re: #668 NJDhockeyfan

Me hostile? I don’t get hostile on here.

It may be a matter of not enough coffee.

Here is enough for everyone.

:0

672 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:06:41am

re: #670 Varek Raith

American nuns come out swinging against Vatican in face of ‘radical feminist’ accusations

Good for them. Some strong stuff there.

I really think people like nuns more than they like priests.

673 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:07:52am

re: #670 Varek Raith

American nuns come out swinging against Vatican in face of ‘radical feminist’ accusations

I learned in 1st grade NOT TO MESS WITH NUNS.

674 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:08:18am

re: #670 Varek Raith

American nuns come out swinging against Vatican in face of ‘radical feminist’ accusations

Don’t mess with nuns.

675 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:09:19am

re: #653 NJDhockeyfan

Here is what he has done for the Cherokee nation acording to Wiki:

Wingnut!
/

676 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:09:20am

Hopefully those nuns have the tenacity that the ones in my Dad’s stories about parochial school did.

677 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:09:26am

re: #671 ggt

It may be a matter of not enough coffee.

Here is enough for everyone.

:0

Thats more than 16 ounces

Fortunately, it’s not all in one container, so it’s okay!!!
/

678 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:09:29am

Speaking of focus on ethnic/racial identity, it seems that Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) is hung up on the matter in a big way. He thinks that Democrats are purposefully targeting minorities to hook them on government dependence ad infinitum:

Walsh, who isn’t the most nuanced public speaker, told constituents at a town hall meeting in Schaumburg, Ill. that the Democratic Party targets African American and Hispanic voters because they want them to be “dependent upon government” and that the Rev. Jesse Jackson, Sr. would “be out of a job” if blacks were self-sufficient. The CREDO SuperPAC, a political action committee dedicated to voting out Walsh and nine other members of Congress they dubbed the “Tea Party Ten,” videotaped the town hall meeting and posted the money quotes.

“We have so many people dependent upon government. So many people want handouts. The Democratic Party promises groups of people everything. They want the Hispanic vote; they want Hispanics to be dependent upon government. Just like they got African Americans dependent upon government. That’s their game. Jesse Jackson would be out of work if they weren’t dependent upon government. There’d be no work for him.”

This isn’t the first time Walsh has dipped his toes into this in-need-of-skimming pool. He previously stated that the media will protect President Obama because he’s black, skipped Obama’s jobs speech to Congress last year because he didn’t want to be used as a “prop,” said Obama is “not Israel’s friend,” defended last year’s House Committee on Homeland Security hearings on Muslim radicalization as “clinical and focused,” yelled at his own constituents at a previous town hall meeting (which he later blamed on having too much coffee on an empty stomach), said congressional hearings on birth control weren’t about women, and has had well-publicized issues with back child support payments to his ex-wife.

679 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:10:06am

OK, I want one!

680 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:10:31am

re: #673 ggt

I learned in 1st grade NOT TO MESS WITH NUNS.

HAHAHA, awesome.

681 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:10:59am

re: #675 Killgore Trout

Wingnut!
/

I think he’s nutty.
;)

682 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:11:18am

re: #681 Varek Raith

I think he’s nutty.
;)

Umami!

683 erik_t  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:12:00am

re: #678 lawhawk

Speaking of focus on ethnic/racial identity, it seems that Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) is hung up on the matter in a big way. He thinks that Democrats are purposefully targeting minorities to hook them on government dependence ad infinitum:

Maybe they need to depend on the government because their fathers won’t pay their fucking legally-mandated child support, Joe.

684 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:12:12am

re: #678 lawhawk

Speaking of focus on ethnic/racial identity, it seems that Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) is hung up on the matter in a big way. He thinks that Democrats are purposefully targeting minorities to hook them on government dependence ad infinitum:

This isn’t the first time Walsh has dipped his toes into this in-need-of-skimming pool. He previously stated that the media will protect President Obama because he’s black, skipped Obama’s jobs speech to Congress last year because he didn’t want to be used as a “prop,” said Obama is “not Israel’s friend,” defended last year’s House Committee on Homeland Security hearings on Muslim radicalization as “clinical and focused,” yelled at his own constituents at a previous town hall meeting (which he later blamed on having too much coffee on an empty stomach), said congressional hearings on birth control weren’t about women, and has had well-publicized issues with back child support payments to his ex-wife.

Yet another moron elected due to the Tea Party. Seriously Walsh shut the hell up and go back to being the Deadbeat Dad you are.

685 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:12:31am

re: #679 ggt

OK, I want one!

Cool idea but why don’t they just make the toilet out of the same material? Then you wouldn’t even need the plunger.

686 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:13:05am

re: #680 Varek Raith

HAHAHA, awesome.

My Elementary School Principal (head nun) literally walked around with a ruler in her hand. She was older and wore the post-Vatican II nun suit with the old lady (Aunt Bea) shoes. And her ankles spilled over the edges.

Scared the shit out of me.

687 Political Atheist  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:13:32am

re: #567 ggt

I also object. Don’t know if it will make it thru the court system.

Is there is some point in which the sheer number of citizens causes a need for an intrusive government in order to keep the peace?

I would say not. I could argue the opposite. And none of these laws came into being with population or density as a motivator. It was always about preventing some crime from happening again. So far, so good.

“At any cost.” “By any means necessary.” That’s the intrusive mentality. That’s exactly where it goes all wrong. For some ideas about FISA take a look at it’s roots.

688 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:13:47am

re: #683 erik_t

Maybe they need to depend on the government because their fathers won’t pay their fucking legally-mandated child support, Joe.

Or their parents were taught “abstinence-only” in school?

689 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:14:22am

re: #666 Obdicut

He thinks self-identification is wrong, and that only the group is allowed to say who is and isn’t a Cherokee. He views self-identification as wrong on a fundamental level. So he’s all about ethnic identity— but he doesn’t, at the same time, think that identity is genetically based.

He is wrong on first count, LOL.

690 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:14:43am

re: #685 Killgore Trout

Cool idea but why don’t they just make the toilet out of the same material? Then you wouldn’t even need the plunger.

Don’t get me started on modern-day toilets… .

691 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:16:06am

re: #690 ggt

Don’t get me started on modern-day toilets… .

Seriously.
Do you know what people use them for!?!?!
/

692 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:17:02am

The only think I ever agreed with Rand Paul is on Toilets.

693 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:18:04am

re: #685 Killgore Trout

Cool idea but why don’t they just make the toilet out of the same material? Then you wouldn’t even need the plunger.

Or water!

694 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:19:02am

re: #681 Varek Raith

I think he’s nutty.
;)

I make it a general policy of mine to stay away from the Cherokee Nation-Industrial-Complex.

//

695 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:19:56am

re: #686 ggt

My Elementary School Principal (head nun) literally walked around with a ruler in her hand. She was older and wore the post-Vatican II nun suit with the old lady (Aunt Bea) shoes. And her ankles spilled over the edges.

Scared the shit out of me.

My high school physics teacher carried a meterstick and was known to pop sleeping students upside the head on occasion. I’m surprised she never got sued for it, doubly so since she was an Australian immigrant on a green card.

696 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:21:50am

re: #685 Killgore Trout

I seem to recall that Toto was putting together a toilet system that incorporated nanotech to keep the surfaces so clean that bacteria couldn’t gain a foothold and would be super efficient at the same time… maybe on one of the DYI shows focusing on cool bath products.

697 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:23:11am

re: #685 Killgore Trout

Cool idea but why don’t they just make the toilet out of the same material? Then you wouldn’t even need the plunger.

I’m still working out of making an airplane out of the same material as the indestructible black boxes!!
/

698 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:24:39am

re: #696 lawhawk

I seem to recall that Toto was putting together a toilet system that incorporated nanotech to keep the surfaces so clean that bacteria couldn’t gain a foothold and would be super efficient at the same time… maybe on one of the DYI shows focusing on cool bath products.

Why do I think something like that would prove to be the bane of small pets? A probably very slick surface leading into a hole and piping. And you can’t grid/block it for obvious reasons without further complexity being built in (a pressure pad or something).

699 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:24:59am

Reinvent the Toilet | Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

Youtube Video
700 abolitionist  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:25:25am

Confirmed: US and Israel created Stuxnet, lost control of it

Stuxnet was never meant to propagate in the wild.

In 2011, the US government rolled out its “International Strategy for Cyberspace,” which reminded us that “interconnected networks link nations more closely, so an attack on one nation’s networks may have impact far beyond its borders.” An in-depth report today from the New York Times confirms the truth of that statement as it finally lays bare the history and development of the Stuxnet virus—and how it accidentally escaped from the Iranian nuclear facility that was its target.

I think we’re setting bad examples for the new silicon life forms that I expect will become self-aware within my lifetime. And I’m old.

701 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:28:21am

INDEXDJX:DJI

12,167.68
-225.77 (-1.82%)

702 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:29:45am

re: #701 Gus

INDEXDJX:DJI

12,167.68
-225.77 (-1.82%)

Ewwww…

703 iossarian  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:29:46am

re: #701 Gus

INDEXDJX:DJI

12,167.68
-225.77 (-1.82%)

Those corn syrup magnates are really taking a pounding this morning.

704 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:29:54am

re: #700 abolitionist

Confirmed: US and Israel created Stuxnet, lost control of it


I think we’re setting bad examples for the new silicon life forms that I expect will become self-aware within my lifetime. And I’m old.

And when they figure how to get all cellphones and hand-held devices to go on overload at the same time we’re doomed. It’ll be like lemmings, but more so. (Oh noooooooo!)

705 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:30:23am

Dow Average Erases 2012 Advance After Employment Data
By Rita Nazareth - Jun 1, 2012 8:22 AM MT

U.S. stocks tumbled, erasing the 2012 advance in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, as employers added the fewest workers in a year, the unemployment rate rose while manufacturing output shrank in Europe and slowed in China…

706 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:31:31am

This looks interesting.

707 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:31:33am

re: #705 Gus

Dow Average Erases 2012 Advance After Employment Data
By Rita Nazareth - Jun 1, 2012 8:22 AM MT

This is the culprit:

US economy added 69K jobs in May, fewest in a year

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. economy suddenly looks a lot weaker.

U.S. employers created only 69,000 jobs in May, the fewest in a year, and the unemployment rate ticked up.

The dismal jobs data will fan fears that the economy is sputtering. It could also damage President Barack Obama’s re-election prospects. And it could lead the Federal Reserve to take further steps to help the economy.

The Labor Department also said Friday that the economy created far fewer jobs in the previous two months than first thought. It revised those figures down to show 49,000 fewer jobs created. The unemployment rate rose to 8.2 percent from 8.1 percent in April, the first increase in 11 months.

708 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:31:59am

re: #707 NJDhockeyfan

This is the culprit:

US economy added 69K jobs in May, fewest in a year

Yep. Not looking good.

709 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:32:05am

re: #705 Gus

Dow Average Erases 2012 Advance After Employment Data
By Rita Nazareth - Jun 1, 2012 8:22 AM MT

Next we’ll get the Onion article on Massey Energy and others blaming the unemployment figures on increased workplace safety. We’re simply not killing enough coal miners compared to China!
///

710 iossarian  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:33:20am

re: #708 Gus

Yep. Not looking good.

Sigh. This is what happens when you elect a fiscally-prudent democrat.

What we need is one of those irresponsible, deficit-increasing Republicans in the White House!

711 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:33:23am

re: #709 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Next we’ll get the Onion article on Massey Energy and others blaming the unemployment figures on increased workplace safety. We’re simply not killing enough coal miners compared to China!
///

Forget the economy! Let’s take the Bloomberg soda portion limits nationally and adopt it as a DNC platform. That’ll guarantee victory for this election.

//

712 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:35:05am

re: #707 NJDhockeyfan

This is the culprit:

US economy added 69K jobs in May, fewest in a year

I left my old job in March and started a new job last week at the same company, different location. So does that count as a job lost, a job created, and they cancel each other out?

713 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:36:06am

re: #710 iossarian

Sigh. This is what happens when you elect a fiscally-prudent democrat.

What we need is one of those irresponsible, deficit-increasing Republicans in the White House!

I don’t think the prez has much to do with the jobs numbers. The electorate however won’t think this way. So, America easily flops between the two major parties. So it easily become “the Democrats fault” and “Republicans will fix it” once again. Next time around if Romney happened to win? It will be “the Republicans fault” and “Democrats will fix it.”

714 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:36:29am

re: #712 Learned Mother of Zion

I left my old job in March and started a new job last week at the same company, different location. So does that count as a job lost, a job created, and they cancel each other out?

Depends on whether or not a Leveraged Buy-out was part of the equation.

:0

715 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:36:42am

re: #709 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

China’s economy isn’t doing so great either. It’s got a hell of a lot of systemic faults in it, including— heh— a housing bubble.

716 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:36:50am

It’s time for my mid-morning nap all.

Have a good one!

717 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:37:14am

re: #702 NJDhockeyfan

Ewww…

shit

718 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:37:47am

re: #717 Killgore Trout

shit

It’s still early in the day —there is time for corrections.

bbl

719 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:38:51am

re: #713 Gus

I don’t think the prez has much to do with the jobs numbers. The electorate however won’t think this way. So, America easily flops between the two major parties. So it easily become “the Democrats fault” and “Republicans will fix it” once again. Next time around if Romney happened to win? It will be “the Republicans fault” and “Democrats will fix it.”

It’s been that way every election. The man in the Oval Office takes the heat for what is going on in the economy and unemployment.

720 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:38:57am

re: #713 Gus

Yeah, it’s more about what we fund and what we don’t, what we pour money into and what we restrict.

Investment into infrastructure, education, science research, etc, and a good social welfare safety net— these either boost the economy or provide it with resilience.

Subsidizing oil companies even though they’re international consortiums and represent more jobs outside of the US than in it— not so much. Banning abortions— not so many jobs.

721 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:39:26am

China’s manufacturing slows to a crawl

722 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:43:09am

re: #721 Varek Raith

The disparity in wages means that China’s domestic market is very anemic compared to the international market, so there’s no way that China can continue to be prosperous without others being so as well. This is the situation we’re approaching; the current trend in corporations is to deep wages depressed, which, if everyone does it, lowers the total amount of buying power, and slows the economy down. Income disparity is a big problem for capitalism; it acts like an ever-increasing brake.

723 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:43:23am

re: #721 Varek Raith

China’s manufacturing slows to a crawl

Gee, it’s like all these national economies are interlinked by something like trade…

724 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:44:01am

re: #723 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Gee, it’s like all these national economies are interlinked by something like trade…

Complicated is complicated!

725 erik_t  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:46:53am

re: #722 Obdicut

Income disparity is a big problem for capitalism; it acts like an ever-increasing brake.

Why, it’s almost like a perfect little sphere of free-market-ness doesn’t always act in its own best interest…. but that can’t be right.

MOAR FREE MARKET BABY JESUS, MOAR

726 Interesting Times  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:47:18am

Wow, Scott Brown is a disgusting, sleazy little lowlife:

“Scott Brown’s comments about my parents are totally out of line. I resent him questioning their honesty. My mother and father are not here to defend themselves and should be off limits. Don and Pauline Herring are not fair game and Scott Brown should apologize,” Warren said.

The Brown campaign quickly dismissed Warren’s call for an apology Thursday afternoon.

Brown’s response?

“This is the second time Elizabeth Warren has made this pathetic and baseless accusation in an attempt to escape personal responsibility for spending five weeks misleading the press and the public. With so many new questions piling up, she would be wise to come clean, stop the stonewalling and tell the truth, rather than making up frivolous and false attacks against Scott Brown,” said Brown spokesman Colin Reed.

What’s next, douchebag, demands for a birth certificate?

Stupid, disgusting, race-baiting, bigoted excuse for a political party.

727 Stanghazi  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:47:59am

re: #686 ggt

My first grade teacher, Sr. Regina, was a dwarf. Talk about scary!!

728 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:48:27am

re: #724 Varek Raith

Complicated is complicated!

One of the reasons I avoid simple solutions. Usually means I keep my mouth shut. It is complicated and requires a multi-level approach. There is no one smoking gun solution to this economic mess we are all in across the globe. It requires the cooperation of its citizens, the government and the private sector. The latter of which is the primary mechanism in driving a robust economy in the USA.

729 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:50:35am

So. I saw the uncensored photo of that face-eating attack. It’s rather disturbing. I mean seriously. This guy’s face is all gone.

730 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:53:56am

re: #540 ggt

Morning all!

We are truly doomed.

Gallup: 46% of American’s think we sprang from G-d’s head fully formed.

And how is your morning?

It went up!

Image: mtmhrggv0u278tchtddptw.gif

731 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:54:26am

re: #728 Gus

Well, the absolute driving force of the economy is twofold. First is science and technology. Finding ways to either do the old things more efficiently, or entirely new things, creates a lot of worth and value.

The second way is actual labor, doing actual things. Sometimes, it can appear you’re creating wealth but actually are destroying it— if you incredibly wastefully do something, you’re using up more resources than is efficient, and your creation is a net loss. Like, if you make tons of beef, but so much of it is contaminated by e coli that thousands of people miss work, get sick, some die, etc., you haven’t actually created wealth, you’ve destroyed it. But anyway: actually producing things.

Capital isn’t either of these things, investment isn’t either of these things. Capital is supposed to aid both these things.

A lot of people, for some reason, have come to think that capital creates wealth. And unfortunately, given what bankers can do, it’s literally true that you very often can, without doing anything or even aiding in anything being done, make money.

732 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:55:12am

re: #726 Interesting Times

Wow, Scott Brown is a disgusting, sleazy little lowlife:

Brown’s response?

What’s next, douchebag, demands for a birth certificate?

Stupid, disgusting, race-baiting, bigoted excuse for a political party.

That really is a jerk move on his part and the response is equally jerkish. Honestly, the Brown camp comes across more petty than Warren’s in this issue.

733 Interesting Times  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:56:18am

First it’s hurling acid, now it’s physical assaults - what GOP misogyny?

Disgusting, horrible people.

734 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:56:45am

30 years and no change in creationist belief. Whoooooboy.

735 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:57:11am

re: #734 Gus

3000 years and no change in creationist belief. Whoooboy.

ftfy

736 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 8:57:59am

re: #733 Interesting Times

First it’s hurling acid, now it’s physical assaults - what GOP misogyny?

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Classy. What the hell is wrong with him.

737 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:00:07am

re: #729 Gus

Yeah. I tried to make sense of it but couldn’t, so messed up it was. The eye seems displaced, for one.

738 erik_t  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:01:47am

re: #736 HappyWarrior

Classy. What the hell is wrong with him.

With her, if we’re talking about the communications director.

739 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:01:58am

China ‘arrests high-level US spy’ in Hong Kong - reports

The man, who was private secretary to a vice-minister in the security ministry, was arrested earlier this year, various press reports say.
…
Hong Kong-based Oriental Daily quotes the monthly New Way as saying on 25 May that the official “fell into a pretty woman trap” set up by the CIA.

After the two were photographed in secret liaisons, he was blackmailed and agreed to supply secret information to the US, the reports say.

“The destruction has been massive,” a source told Reuters.

740 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:02:31am

re: #737 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

Yeah. I tried to make sense of it but couldn’t, so messed up it was. The eye seems displaced, for one.

That’s some nasty shit. Liveleak material and it would come with a warning

741 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:03:29am

re: #738 erik_t

With her, if we’re talking about the communications director.

Ah, I assumed it was a guy. Replace the pronoun and the question still stands.

742 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:03:36am

Donovan Campaign Aide Charged By Feds; Illegal Conspiracy Alleged To Hide Contributions

Federal authorities have charged the finance director for state House Speaker Christopher Donovan’s congressional campaign with trying to hide campaign contributions of about $20,000, following an FBI undercover investigation of alleged influence-buying at the state Capitol.

Robert Braddock Jr., 33, the campaign employee, was arrested Wednesday, according to a variety of sources. The questionable contributions were made in connection with efforts to kill legislation that would have imposed new fees and taxes on certain kinds of tobacco retailers, according to the arrest warrant affidavit.

Braddock has been terminated, Donovan said in a statement Thursday evening. Donovan also fired his campaign manager, Josh Nassi, sources said. Nassi worked for Donovan in the House Democrats’ caucus until he recently switched over to the campaign payroll. He could not be reached for comment Thursday night.

Donovan did not make himself available on the telephone.

743 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:04:38am

re: #730 Gus

Interesting that the increase came not from the evolution with no G-d intervening group, but from those who thought that G-d played a role in evolution.

744 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:06:57am

re: #743 lawhawk

Interesting that the increase came not from the evolution with no G-d intervening group, but from those who thought that G-d played a role in evolution.

Yep. The “no God” went down one percent. “God helped” also went down. Both are within margin of error. Hard to tell what to make of it but it only confirms my perception of America as a whole. Especially once you leave the confines of a metropolitan area or university town. It’s a different world out there.

745 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:10:18am

What’s with the recent stories about chopping up body parts lately?

Here’s another one.

Body parts found in home, man charged

JOPPATOWNE (AP) According to charging documents, a Maryland man has admitted to eating another man’s heart and part of his brain.

The Harford County Sheriff’s Office says Alexander Kinyua, 21, was arrested Wednesday, days after a man whom he lived with went missing. Police say they found body parts while searching the townhome on Terrapin Terrace in Joppatowne. Police also found body parts in a nearby trash container.

747 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:11:04am

re: #745 NJDhockeyfan

There is that. Or maybe we just started noticing?

748 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:12:43am

re: #747 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

There is that. Or maybe we just started noticing?

It’s been going on for at least 3,000 years. See above. ;)

749 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:14:05am
Youtube Video
751 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:16:15am
Hawks in the Bush administration like Vice President Dick Cheney urged Mr. Bush to consider a military strike against the Iranian nuclear facilities before they could produce fuel suitable for a weapon. Several times, the administration reviewed military options and concluded that they would only further inflame a region already at war, and would have uncertain results.

From the NYT piece.

752 Gus  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:16:18am

BBL. Must replenish the wallet.

753 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:17:35am

re: #752 Gus

BBL. Must replenish the wallet.

I know this cave where bandits hide out.
Great loot!

754 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:19:16am

re: #753 Varek Raith

I know this cave where bandits hide out.
Great loot!

But if they catch you, they chew your face off.

755 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:20:06am

re: #754 Learned Mother of Zion

But if they catch you, they chew your face off.

That’s what this fire spell if for!

756 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:23:09am

Bill Clinton: Mitt Romney’s business record ‘sterling’

President Bill Clinton veered sharply off message Thursday, telling CNN that Mitt Romney’s business record at Bain Capital was “sterling.”

“I don’t think that we ought to get into the position where we say ‘This is bad work. This is good work,’” Clinton said. “The man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold.”

Clinton also went on to say that Romney’s time at Bain Capital represented a “good business career.”

That’s right up there with Cory Booker who made headlines when he said President Obama’s attacks on Bain Capital were nauseating.

757 iossarian  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:23:50am

re: #753 Varek Raith

I know this cave where bandits hide out.
Great loot!

Caves of Chaos?

758 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:25:51am

Clinton and Ford, DLC guys.

759 iossarian  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:27:21am

re: #756 NJDhockeyfan

Bill Clinton: Mitt Romney’s business record ‘sterling’

That’s right up there with Cory Booker who made headlines when he said President Obama’s attacks on Bain Capital were nauseating.

Will you be voting bigot in November then?

760 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:27:58am

re: #755 Varek Raith

That’s what this fire spell if for!

Watch out for the dwarf, he’s the most dangerous.

761 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:28:35am

Honestly, I don’t know why Clinton’s being so generous with Romney. Romney certainly is qualified for the job but Romney’s been going around suggesting that there needs to be an amendment requiring three years of business experience before being president. Romney’s got his head up his ass so far when it comes to business. Business is important but so is understanding people and government.

762 Political Atheist  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:29:23am

re: #700 abolitionist

Confirmed: US and Israel created Stuxnet, lost control of it

I think we’re setting bad examples for the new silicon life forms that I expect will become self-aware within my lifetime. And I’m old.

Next stupid reality show-
Are You Smarter Than A Smart Phone?

763 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:29:56am

re: #759 iossarian

Will you be voting bigot in November then?

What bigot is running?

764 darthstar  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:30:33am

re: #761 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I don’t know why Clinton’s being so generous with Romney. Romney certainly is qualified for the job but Romney’s been going around suggesting that there needs to be an amendment requiring three years of business experience before being president. Romney’s got his head up his ass so far when it comes to business. Business is important but so is understanding people and government.

Yes, but working the drive-thru at Taco Bell is acceptable real-world experience.

765 iossarian  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:30:40am

re: #763 NJDhockeyfan

What bigot is running?

Throw a dart at the Republican slate. Your odds of hitting a non-bigot are slim to none.

766 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:31:05am

re: #765 iossarian

Throw a dart at the Republican slate. Your odds of hitting a non-bigot are slim to none.

Romney is a bigot?

767 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:31:10am

re: #756 NJDhockeyfan

Bill Clinton: Mitt Romney’s business record ‘sterling’

That’s right up there with Cory Booker who made headlines when he said President Obama’s attacks on Bain Capital were nauseating.

Yeah, I think it was a poorly thought out line of attack. My guess is the Obama campaign knew it. That’s why they rolled out the ads so early. It might have worked but they are probably saving the good stuff for later.

768 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:32:14am

re: #764 darthstar

Yes, but working the drive-thru at Taco Bell is acceptable real-world experience.

Heh. By Romney’s standards it is more than working for the government. I think business experience is important but I also think Romney has a condescending attitude to those who have spent their careers in government. I have a big problem with him because of that given that both my mother and grandfather were lifelong government employees.

769 darthstar  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:32:15am

re: #766 NJDhockeyfan

Romney is a bigot?

And a total fucking asshole.

770 iossarian  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:32:44am

re: #766 NJDhockeyfan

Romney is a bigot?

I believe he is creeped out by the prospect of men being in love with each other.

Does that make him a bigot? Depends on your definition of the term I suppose. For me it’s a strong indicator.

771 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:32:53am

re: #756 NJDhockeyfan

Politico needs to work on that context thing. Of course if you watched the vid this is what Clinton said:

I think he had a good business career. The — there is a lot of controversy about that. But if you go in and you try to save a failing company, and you and I have friends here who invest in companies, you can invest in a company, run up the debt, loot it, sell all the assets, and force all the people to lose their retirement and fire them.

Or you can go into a company, have cutbacks, try to make it more productive with the purpose of saving it. And when you try, like anything else you try, you don’t always succeed. […] So I don’t think that we ought to get into the position where we say this is bad work. This is good work. I think, however, the real issue ought to be, what has Governor Romney advocated in the campaign that he will do as president? What has President Obama done and what does he propose to do? How do these things stack up against each other?

That’s the most relevant thing. There’s no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and, you know, basically performing the essential functions of the office, the man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold. But they have dramatically different proposals. And it’s my opinion, anyway, that the Obama proposals and the Obama record will be far better for the American economy and most Americans than those that Governor Romney has laid out. And that’s what the election ought to be about.

772 iossarian  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:34:04am

re: #771 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Politico needs to work on that context thing. Of course if you watched the vid this is what Clinton said:

Politico went down the attention-whoring rabbit hole a long time ago.

773 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:34:52am

re: #770 iossarian

I believe he is creeped out by the prospect of men being in love with each other.

Does that make him a bigot? Depends on your definition of the term I suppose. For me it’s a strong indicator.

I think he panders to bigotry more than being an actual bigot himself. See, him continuing to hangout with birther bigot Trump.

774 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:34:54am

re: #766 NJDhockeyfan

Romney is a bigot?

Nice try.

775 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:35:15am

re: #766 NJDhockeyfan

Romney is a bigot?

Sure. Google “romney response mosque”.

776 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:36:25am

re: #759 iossarian

he’s not a birther he’s just birther-curious
He’s not a bigot he’s just bigot-curious

777 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:37:14am

re: #766 NJDhockeyfan

Romney is a bigot?

I would like to make a distinction please. The Leader of the Bigot Party is himself not a bigot, despite his palling around with bigots, birthers, and general fuckwads. Thank you, carry on.

778 iossarian  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:37:27am

re: #773 HappyWarrior

I think he panders to bigotry more than being an actual bigot himself. See, him continuing to hangout with birther bigot Trump.

Pandering or genuine bigotry makes little difference to me if he’s making policy.

We do have the gay-bashing incident as well, though. I suspect he’s the kind of guy who doesn’t really mind if other people get crapped on by society, which is a kind of pathetic soft bigotry itself.

779 iossarian  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:38:14am

re: #766 NJDhockeyfan

Romney is a bigot?

BTW, I’m amused by the fact that you won’t straight-up admit that you’re voting for him.

780 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:38:45am

re: #778 iossarian

Pandering or genuine bigotry makes little difference to me if he’s making policy.

We do have the gay-bashing incident as well, though. I suspect he’s the kind of guy who doesn’t really mind if other people get crapped on by society, which is a kind of pathetic soft bigotry itself.

Sure absolutely. Honestly the fact he panders to bigots worries me more than if he were an actual bigot.

781 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:40:27am

It’s too bad that the born on third base and thinks he hit a triple adage was already invented because I think of Mitt Romney more than George H.W Bush, whom the statement was originally directed at with that statement.

782 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:41:13am

re: #779 iossarian

BTW, I’m amused by the fact that you won’t straight-up admit that you’re voting for him.

Oh he’s got my vote. Seeing the economy and employment numbers heading down the proverbial toilet I don’t feel like I have any choice.

783 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:43:17am

re: #782 NJDhockeyfan

Oh he’s got my vote. Seeing the economy and employment numbers heading down the proverbial toilet I don’t feel like I have any choice.

What makes you think electing Romney will help, rather than hurt, on these issues?

784 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:43:57am

re: #753 Varek Raith

I know this cave where bandits hide out.
Great loot!

“Open Walla Walla Washington?”

785 iossarian  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:45:10am

re: #783 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

What makes you think electing Romney will help, rather than hurt, on these issues?

“Please include references to Romney’s past job creation record as a government executive in your answer.”

786 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:46:01am

What Democrat bigotry?

HuffPo:

Bigoted White Democrats Are Bigger Danger to President Obama Than Romney

787 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:46:07am

re: #777 Kronocide

I would like to make a distinction please. The Leader of the Bigot Party is himself not a bigot, despite his palling around with bigots, birthers, and general fuckwads. Thank you, carry on.

How dare you apply nuance to an on-line discussion!
O_O
//

788 darthstar  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:46:35am

re: #783 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

What makes you think electing Romney will help, rather than hurt, on these issues?

Because for the next 4 or 8 years, any problems with the economy can easily be pinned on the black guy who was president before him. Once we cut taxes on the rich to 0%, the only way to stimulate the economy will be to give them a percentage of their income as a bonus.

789 Kragar  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:47:26am

SBC Ethicist Richard Land loses his show over plagiarism and racism

The Southern Baptist Convention’s top “ethicist” Richard Land, a major Religious Right figure and cheerleader for the GOP, is about to lose his radio show, Richard Land Live, as a result of using racially-charged comments while describing the Trayvon Martin shooting and plagiarizing his material.

Back in April, we reported that the leader of the SBC’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC) said that African American “race hustlers” were using Martin’s death to “gin up the black vote” for President Obama, whom he said “poured gasoline on the racialist fires.” After his remarks generated controversy, as his denomination has been working to improve its relationship with the black community as a result of its racist past, Land pledged to never apologize. Later, Land issued a non-apology apology that blamed others for having “misunderstood” him, which only intensified the outcry from black pastors in the SBC.

Moreover, Baptist blogger Aaron Weaver found that Land plagiarized part of his remarks on the Martin shooting from a Washington Times column, and also plagiarized columns from other conservative publications like the Washington Examiner and Investor’s Business Daily in previous broadcasts. The ERLC promptly pulled his radio show archives off his website while Land tried to claim that it isn’t plagiarism when other people’s words are lifted on the radio.

790 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:49:11am

re: #786 NJDhockeyfan

What Democrat bigotry?

HuffPo:

Bigoted White Democrats Are Bigger Danger to President Obama Than Romney

I can play too!
White Supremacist With Ties To Neo-Nazi Groups Elected To Pennsylvania County GOP Committee

791 iossarian  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:49:17am

re: #786 NJDhockeyfan

What Democrat bigotry?

HuffPo:

Bigoted White Democrats Are Bigger Danger to President Obama Than Romney

Sadly, there are bigots everywhere, and some of them even vote for the Dems (sometimes).

But you’re clutching at straws if you think this changes the fact that the Republicans have a monopoly on actually pushing bigoted policy.

I mean come on. We’re talking about the party of elected officials who want to roll back civil rights legislation here.

792 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:49:37am

re: #789 Kragar

It’s not plagiarism since God has already said everything possible to say and you’re allowed to freely quote God.
///

793 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:50:02am

SQUIRREL!

795 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:50:50am

It’s true there are bigoted Democrats but that article ignores the fact that many Democrats came out strong for Obama in 2008. Would Obama have won Indiana, Virginia, or North Carolina in 2008 if white Democrats were bigots? These are all states that Bill Clinton and exempting North Carolina not even Jimmy Carter won in 1976.

796 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:51:22am

re: #794 Varek Raith

North Carolina Bill Would Require Coastal Communities To Ignore Global Warming Science

Yeah that’s a great idea. Ignore science. Sigh I hate how moronic people are in this country when it comes to science.

797 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:51:39am

re: #786 NJDhockeyfan

What Democrat bigotry?

You’re saying it as if anybody is denying it. Nice try, no cigar.

798 iossarian  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:52:22am

re: #795 HappyWarrior

It’s true there are bigoted Democrats but that article ignores the fact that many Democrats came out strong for Obama in 2008. Would Obama have won Indiana, Virginia, or North Carolina in 2008 if white Democrats were bigots? These are all states that Bill Clinton and exempting North Carolina not even Jimmy Carter won in 1976.

Exactly, and of course there are (some) non-bigoted Republican voters too.

None of this changes the fact that one party, by and large, thinks that gay people should be treated the same as straight people, and the other doesn’t.

799 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:52:42am

re: #797 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

You’re saying it as if anybody is denying it. Nice try, no cigar.

He has to, as he ain’t got nothing else to stand on. He just can’t accept that he enables all kinds of bigotry and anti science BS when he votes for these Rs.

800 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:52:57am

re: #798 iossarian

Exactly, and of course there are (some) non-bigoted Republican voters too.

None of this changes the fact that one party, by and large, thinks that gay people should be treated the same as straight people, and the other doesn’t.

Yep.

801 Kragar  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:53:19am

re: #794 Varek Raith

North Carolina Bill Would Require Coastal Communities To Ignore Global Warming Science

Take an empty bathtub. Turn on the tap. Now using only the historic data showing it was empty, predict what’s going to happen.

SCIENCE!

802 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:53:51am

re: #794 Varek Raith

North Carolina Bill Would Require Coastal Communities To Ignore Global Warming Science

I’m waiting for Oklahoma to pass a bill requiring the various government agencies to only track linear changes in air pressure and wind speed when modeling and following weather patterns.
:p

803 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:54:48am

I swear if we had listened to the anti science rubes, we’d never would have become as successful as a nation as we have. That fact needs to be pointed out when defending science to the morons.

804 Kragar  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:55:30am

re: #803 HappyWarrior

I swear if we had listened to the anti science rubes, we’d never would have become as successful as a nation as we have. That fact needs to be pointed out when defending science to the morons.

But as long as you love Jesus, you’re guaranteed success, right?

805 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:55:37am

At least the bigots in the D party aren’t in control and passing bigoted laws.
The GOP can’t say the same, now can it?

;)

806 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:56:29am

re: #801 Kragar

Take an empty bathtub. Turn on the tap. Now using only the historic data showing it was empty, predict what’s going to happen.

SCIENCE!

But that theory also supports cutting funds for volcano monitoring! Historic data shows that it hasn’t erupted in any meaningful period. Those that have erupted are outliers to be dropped from the data in order to keep the trend within proper bounds.
/

807 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:57:11am

re: #805 Varek Raith

At least the bigots in the D party aren’t in control and passing bigoted laws.
The GOP can’t say the same, now can it?

;)

As fucked up as this is, to some people, legalizing gay marriage is a form of bigotry as is telling people that bullying people because they’re gay is unacceptable. A strange new world.

808 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:58:58am

Next thing you know, they’ll try to pass a law setting the value of pi. Oh wait.

809 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:59:08am

SHINY THINGS LOOK ——>

810 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:59:08am

John Boehner doesn’t make a move without consulting Rush Limbaugh on the debt deal

SQUIRREL!

811 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:59:25am

Fruit flies in Paris, France, are Devil’s rejects. It’s science! Tee hee.

812 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 9:59:49am

re: #786 NJDhockeyfan

What Democrat bigotry?

HuffPo:

Bigoted White Democrats Are Bigger Danger to President Obama Than Romney

That’s a stupid headline, although it fits the article.

Are ‘Bigoted White Democrats’ running for president? Are they running harder than Romney? More likely to win?

813 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:00:15am

re: #808 Learned Mother of Zion

Next thing you know, they’ll try to pass a law setting the value of pi. Oh wait.

Mmmm. Babushka’s pi is of infinite value!

814 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:00:40am

re: #810 Varek Raith

John Boehner doesn’t make a move without consulting Rush Limbaugh on the debt deal

SQUIRREL!

Well there’s something that doesn’t change. Despite the fact that practically the whole country now knows Rush Limbaugh is a sexist asshat, Boehner still thinks it good policy to consult with him on the debt. Maybe Obama should consult with Michael Moore or Bill Maher and call it even.

815 Kragar  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:00:58am

re: #810 Varek Raith

John Boehner doesn’t make a move without consulting Rush Limbaugh on the debt deal

SQUIRREL!

If Boehner ever sneezes, Rush is going to be castrated.

816 Kronocide  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:01:54am

SHINY SQUIRRELS OVER HERE! LOOK!

817 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:03:06am

Moral of the story:
Don’t bring a straw to an artillery fight.
:P

818 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:03:35am

re: #811 I’m back in the USSR (sigh)

Fruit flies in Paris, France, are Devil’s rejects. It’s science! Tee hee.

I had just taken my science required course when she said that and it was clear to me how uneducated she is when she said that. Fruit flies play a very important role in genetics research.

819 Kragar  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:04:05am

Don’t worry, Bryan Fischer has a cunning plan.


Bryan Fischer Works to ‘Reclaim the ‘D’ Word’ to Promote Anti-Gay Discrimination

Time and time again American Family Association spokesman Bryan Fischer has advocated for the criminalization of homosexuality, and has been quite disturbed by the recent repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and court rulings that found DOMA to be unconstitutional. So today he posted a column arguing for a new campaign to “reclaim the ‘D’ word”—discrimination—and saying that government should discriminate against gays and lesbians to stop them from “destroying themselves through non-normative sexual behavior.”

Fischer claims that it is ironic that gays don’t face discrimination even as the government wages an “all-out war against cigarette smoking,” condemns “pedophilia, rape, bestiality” and punishes people who “burgle houses, drive while drunk, eat the faces off homeless people, gun down servicemen on military bases, embezzle funds from employers or clients, or beat their wives.”

820 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:05:22am

re: #819 Kragar

Don’t worry, Bryan Fischer has a cunning plan.


Bryan Fischer Works to ‘Reclaim the ‘D’ Word’ to Promote Anti-Gay Discrimination

Remember people it’s the left that is nanny state not the right. Fischer is actually proposing we be like Saudi Arabia when it comes to homosexuality essentially.

821 iossarian  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:05:32am

re: #819 Kragar

Don’t worry, Bryan Fischer has a cunning plan.


Bryan Fischer Works to ‘Reclaim the ‘D’ Word’ to Promote Anti-Gay Discrimination

I bet he’d love to bring back discrimination against people with non-normative tanning behavior as well.

822 dragonath  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:05:40am

Lo, Romney himself shall calm thy tumultous seas, cool thy tempestuous volcanos, break thee pesky unions, and end sharia EVERYWHERE! Let thy will be DONE!

823 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:05:54am

re: #820 HappyWarrior

Remember people it’s the left that is nanny state not the right. Fischer is actually proposing we be like Saudi Arabia when it comes to homosexuality essentially.

They ain’t called the American Taliban fer nothin!

824 Kragar  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:07:03am

Well, apparently DC has made the Green Lantern a homosexual.

And I was really sure it was going to be Booster Gold.

825 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:07:21am

re: #823 Varek Raith

They ain’t called the American Taliban fer nothin!

I think I have heard about two pastors in the past week saying that gay people should basically be executed. I’m sure Fischer probably feels the same way.

826 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:07:25am

re: #824 Kragar

Well, apparently DC has made the Green Lantern a homosexual.

And I was really sure it was going to be Booster Gold.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

827 Simply Sarah  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:08:17am

re: #819 Kragar

Don’t worry, Bryan Fischer has a cunning plan.


Bryan Fischer Works to ‘Reclaim the ‘D’ Word’ to Promote Anti-Gay Discrimination

You know, I’d love to laugh at how absurd that is, but from what I’ve seen of social conservatives in my life I can actually see a time a few years down the line where large blocks of Americans proudly proclaim their support for open and active discrimination against LGBT people. Moreso than now, I mean.

828 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:08:34am

re: #824 Kragar

Well, apparently DC has made the Green Lantern a homosexual.

And I was really sure it was going to be Booster Gold.

He thinks you’re hot.

829 Kragar  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:10:51am

Elections Officials Throughout Florida Refuse To Use Rick Scott’s Inaccurate Lists To Purge Voters

On Wednesday, Palm Beach County Elections Supervisor Susan Bucher (D) told ThinkProgress her office has rejected the error-ridden list of alleged non-citizen voters sent to county officials by Gov. Rick Scott’s (R-FL) administration. Now, as the Department of Justice has told Florida to stop its illegal purge, other county elections officials across Florida have confirmed their counties will not comply with the state’s effort:

830 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:10:59am

re: #819 Kragar

Don’t worry, Bryan Fischer has a cunning plan.


Bryan Fischer Works to ‘Reclaim the ‘D’ Word’ to Promote Anti-Gay Discrimination

He can have the word ‘douchebag’ if he wants.

831 Kragar  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:12:19am

re: #828 Varek Raith

He thinks you’re hot.

Oh yeah.

832 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:12:41am

re: #819 Kragar

Don’t worry, Bryan Fischer has a cunning plan.


Bryan Fischer Works to ‘Reclaim the ‘D’ Word’ to Promote Anti-Gay Discrimination

Those aren’t the words I would have used.
-Mitt Romney

833 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:12:52am

re: #829 Kragar

Elections Officials Throughout Florida Refuse To Use Rick Scott’s Inaccurate Lists To Purge Voters

Scott like any elected Republican knows his party benefits with a reduced electorate. I am glad to see DOJ and the election officials calling this out for what it is.

834 dragonath  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:13:31am

Not all the economic news today is bad.

Big Three auto sales roar in May

835 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:14:19am

I’ll say this about Fischer. At least he’s fairly open and honest about his intentions and the fact he’s a bigot. Others are less scrupulous and try to say they’re just defending family values or make silly claims like Bachmann did.

836 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:14:45am

re: #834 Be Zorch, Daddio

Not all the ecomonic news today is bad.

Big Three auto sales roar in May

Mitt Romney says your welcome.

837 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:14:56am

re: #834 Be Zorch, Daddio

Not all the ecomonic news today is bad.

Big Three auto sales roar in May

Let Detroit Go Bankrupt
-Mitt Romney.

He makes this too easy.

838 iossarian  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:17:01am

re: #837 Varek Raith

Let Detroit Go Bankrupt
-Mitt Romney.

He makes this too easy.

I’m voting for Mitt Romney because the economic situation needs some more large companies to go bankrupt.

Also I am worried about the gays.

839 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:17:36am

re: #837 Varek Raith

Let Detroit Go Bankrupt
-Mitt Romney.

He makes this too easy.

He also likes to fire people.

840 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:18:00am

re: #834 Be Zorch, Daddio

Not all the economic news today is bad.

Big Three auto sales roar in May

But we all know that Mitt Romney is behind the recovery of the automobile industry. Home state, trees the right height, and his stalwart support in them getting help when needed.
/

841 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:19:28am
Youtube Video
842 dragonath  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:21:19am

re: #837 Varek Raith

Dude, this is the first time I’ve actually took the time to read that.

“Our cars suck. I was born in Detroit but the first thing my family did was get the hell out. Unions suck. Why do workers need any benefits anyway? And they need management like ME! Can you let Washington send them down the river so I can buy them cheap?.

Bet on me!

Your Best (Really) Friend Romney”

843 Interesting Times  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:21:25am

re: #812 wrenchwench

That’s a stupid headline, although it fits the article.

And the “oh-look squirrel” person linking it left out a rather important detail:

Four years later, the warning sign is still there that an undetermined number of white conservative Democrats have not relented one bit in their racial hostility to Obama.

Fucking context, how does it work?

844 Kragar  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:23:00am

re: #843 Interesting Times

And the “oh-look squirrel” person linking it left out a rather important detail:

Fucking context, how does it work?

Alien Magnets.

845 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:23:57am

re: #837 Varek Raith

Let Detroit Go Bankrupt
-Mitt Romney.

He makes this too easy.

Get a load of this gem:

The new management must work with labor leaders to see that the enmity between labor and management comes to an end. This division is a holdover from the early years of the last century, when unions brought workers job security and better wages and benefits. But as Walter Reuther, the former head of the United Automobile Workers, said to my father, “Getting more and more pay for less and less work is a dead-end street.”

Yeah, but Walter was talking about the executives, not the workers!

846 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:25:07am

re: #843 Interesting Times

If you are a conservative then you lose your membership in the Democrat Party!

847 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:25:16am

re: #845 Learned Mother of Zion

Get a load of this gem:

Yeah, but Walter was talking about the executives, not the workers!

Mitt distort? No way.

848 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:26:49am

Oh, and FYI Mitt.

849 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:32:12am

re: #846 NJDhockeyfan

If you are a conservative then you lose your membership in the Democrat Party!

Maybe. Never heard of this party. Is it new? They should adopt the Democratic Party’s policy of not kicking out conservatives. Otherwise they become like the GOP and its purges.

850 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 10:37:22am

re: #846 NJDhockeyfan

If you are a conservative then you lose your membership in the Democrat Party!

You need to spend some time with us in Alabama. Or, the TPGOP can take it all in November, and you will all be in Alabama.

851 palomino  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 11:04:27am

re: #846 NJDhockeyfan

If you are a conservative then you lose your membership in the Democrat Party!

Who the fuck are you now, Rush Limbaugh?

How many liberals does your party have?

852 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 11:08:13am

re: #851 palomino

Who the fuck are you now, Rush Limbaugh?

How many liberals RINOS does your party have?

FTFY.

853 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Jun 3, 2012 1:43:51pm

Except for Righties, who actually would consider Breitbart & company as a legitimate news source? After the Sherrod incident, there’s nothing they can say to me.


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