Edward Snowden Never Had Access to the NSA’s “Crown Jewels”

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U.S. intelligence now believes Edward Snowden did not gain access to the “crown jewels” of National Security Agency programs that secretly intercept and monitor conversations around the world, CNN has learned.

The Obama administration is reviewing what the admitted leaker of classified information actually got his hands on and what damage he may have caused.

The ongoing damage assessment indicates he did not gain access to what is called ECI or “extremely compartmentalized information,” according to a U.S. official familiar with the review.

Snowden fled to Moscow after his leaks in June and has been stranded at the Moscow airport awaiting a response to his request for temporary asylum. He faces espionage charges in the United States.

With Snowden still at large and the publication of agency surveillance secrets publicized, the intelligence community may have good reason to downplay the impact of what he has revealed.

However, the official said the intelligence community remains adamant that Snowden caused serious damage. The administration believes it knows the extent of the material that was downloaded.

“We are not downplaying it,” the official said, explaining that assessing the matter over weeks has enabled authorities to focus more directly on the impact of Snowden’s actions.

The official spoke to CNN on background because the assessment is not fully completed.

CNN

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317 comments
1 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 8:40:53pm

i gocha crown jewels right heah

2 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:00:01pm

Oh, nice. Big titted older women aren’t in to younger men. They want me. Love the ads that came up. I can’t stay and talk about the thread subject. I have to go and click now!

3 Mickey_being_mickey  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:02:08pm

Thank you much for the promotion Charles.

4 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:07:06pm

re: #1 engineer cat

i gocha crown jewels right heah

Put your pants back on!

5 Kragar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:30:34pm

Shithead got some powerpoint slides and that was about it.

6 Kragar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:32:53pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Put your pants back on!

Fascist.
/

7 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:35:26pm

o dog help me i inadvertently set off another 25 minute full compile, from which there is no escape

8 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:35:42pm

re: #5 Kragar

Shithead got some powerpoint slides and that was about it.

I’m figuring he got something, though what and of what importance is probably always going to be a matter of speculation. Or it could simply be the NSA trying to maintain its street cred. Either way, I like how months later, his ass is still stuck in a Moscow international terminal, knowing his life rests in Putin’s hands.

9 Kragar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:37:44pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

I’m figuring he got something, though what and of what importance is probably always going to be a matter of speculation. Or it could simply be the NSA trying to maintain its street cred. Either way, I like how months later, his ass is still stuck in a Moscow international terminal, knowing his life rests in Putin’s hands.

Its only a matter of time before Snowden is…

Putin out to pasture.

10 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:39:23pm

There was an article last week where someone explained how Snowden couldn’t have gotten as much access as he claimed. For one thing, there’s an air barrier between highly classified systems and those Snowden had access to. Contractors never get access to the inner sanctum. That’s part of the reason that asshole Greenwald keeps bragging about coming bombshells…all they have is the story.

11 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:40:15pm

Not to mention the only folks still paying to this are those who either A) like the idea of watching Snowden run around like a rat in a maze or B) check Prison Planet multiple times during the day out of anything other than morbid curiosity.

12 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:42:17pm

By the way…if you’re looking for a dark and somewhat disturbing movie, “Only God Forgives” (Ryan Gosling, a bunch of Thai actors) is a pretty good choice. Watching Ryan Gosling get his ass handed to him in a fight is worth the $6.99 PPV charge. Movie’s pretty dark, but it is interesting.

13 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:43:13pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

He’s still in the airport, right? I fucking love that. How lonely must he be?

14 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:45:20pm

cannot get comments to show. try new browser?

15 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:45:26pm
16 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:49:03pm

re: #13 darthstar

He’s still in the airport, right? I fucking love that. How lonely must he be?

He’s apparently hoping to be granted temporary asylum on Wednesday and therefore allowed to leave the airport. But where he goes from there is anybody’s guess. He may try to book it to the embassy of his choice, like Iceland, in the hope that being on their sovereign soil will allow him to apply for asylum.

17 Heywood Jabloeme  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:49:24pm

If what he has revealed aren’t the “Crown Jewels” then, whew. Those must be doozies!

18 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:50:51pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

He’s apparently hoping to be granted temporary asylum on Wednesday and therefore allowed to leave the airport. But where he goes from there is anybody’s guess. He may try to book it to the embassy of his choice, like Iceland, in the hope that being on their sovereign soil will allow him to apply for asylum.

I hope they let him chill there for another two or three weeks. Give facts a bit more time to surface so he loses the few asylum options he thinks he already has.

19 piratedan  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:53:47pm

just wondering when all of this finally gets brought to light how everyone is going to look…..

Snowden and Greenwald, say that they have mindblowing evidence regarding the evil that our country does, but that they’ve carefully selected the information as to only harm national interests and not to punish those folks working in the shadows. So far, the folks that have “seen” what they have uncovered/stolen refuse to publish it, for the very reason that it apparently names names. Hell, even our resident narcissist GG hasn’t published anything. He’s sounding more like a coming attraction promo for a summer blockbuster more than anything else, you know, like a journalist. Kinda calls into question their motives and veracity and such, at least with folks that aren’t in lockstep with anything bad for the current administration is a win for them, regardless of what it is. Snowden’s statements make him sound like he is really a 29 year old HS drop out who thinks he has the world figured out and is hoping that this bluff still takes the pot.

The Private sector looks inept and bloated, much like what the government agency they were supposed to be efficiently replacing. Their vetting and security processes are going to be scrutinized and perhaps this will dial back that forever R meme of “private does it better”. Not sure they’re going to come out smelling like Fabreeze when the washing is done.

The current administration has taken some measured steps, but Clapper has been abysmal when speaking to Congress and the press. Here’s to hoping that they can find a more eloquent spin doctor to represent them in the future. Was happy to see Obama get as much of the process as declassified as possible so we could see the transparency/process and maybe even have the discussion. Perhaps with Wyden in charge at the Senate level, that discussion will happen.

20 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:55:55pm

re: #12 darthstar

By the way…if you’re looking for a dark and somewhat disturbing movie, “Only God Forgives” (Ryan Gosling, a bunch of Thai actors) is a pretty good choice. Watching Ryan Gosling get his ass handed to him in a fight is worth the $6.99 PPV charge. Movie’s pretty dark, but it is interesting.

I read a critic review the movie today. He said it was a top 5 worst movie he had ever seen..Really bad..It got boo’d at Sundance so bad Ryan would not get on stage to take questions and comments.. Currently there are no good reviews of the movie..From what I read about it..I agree

21 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:58:00pm

I would like a list of British Actors of Middle-Eastern & South Asian descent.

22 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 9:58:50pm

I kinda want Alexander Siddig for the 12th Doctor.

23 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 10:00:56pm

re: #18 darthstar

I hope they let him chill there for another two or three weeks. Give facts a bit more time to surface so he loses the few asylum options he thinks he already has.

My guess is that he’s become so radioactive at this point that, even if he managed to gain access to their embassy, they’d be loathe to grant him asylum. At this point, it looks more and more like he’s just an international fugitive looking for a place to go to ground.

24 Kragar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 10:04:07pm

re: #22 ProTARDISLiberal

I kinda want Alexander Siddig for the 12th Doctor.

I’d like to see Richard Armitage as the 12th, but he’s too busy right now.

25 piratedan  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 10:07:49pm

re: #24 Kragar

I’d like to see Richard Armitage as the 12th, but he’s too busy right now.

what, no love for Rupert Penry-Jones?

26 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 10:09:40pm

re: #20 HoosierHoops

I read a critic review the movie today. He said it was a top 5 worst movie he had ever seen..Really bad..It got boo’d at Sundance so bad Ryan would not get on stage to take questions and comments.. Currently there are no good reviews of the movie..From what I read about it..I agree

Oh, it’s shitty. But it has a couple of moments that aren’t too bad (Gosling getting beaten being one of them). But the plot is never developed, nor are the characters. Some just disappear from the screen with no explanation. I watched it with one finger on the fast-forward for all the ‘artistic’ filler scenes (minutes and minutes of no dialog red-filtered slow motion…much of it of a hooker masturbating and even that they didn’t do well).

27 Kragar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 10:09:54pm

re: #25 piratedan

what, no love for Rupert Penry-Jones?

Eh, I’d say Matthew Macfadyen before Rupert.

28 piratedan  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 10:14:53pm

re: #24 Kragar

I’d like to see Richard Armitage as the 12th, but he’s too busy right now.

what, no love for Rupert Penry-Jones?re: #27 Kragar

Eh, I’d say Matthew Macfadyen before Rupert.

still have to say that I’d be hard pressed to find a show as satisfying as MI-5/Spooks has been. Great story lines, good scripts, excellent acting and not afraid to kill off characters, which I find much more realistic considering the subject matter.

29 erik_t  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 10:15:22pm

Not to make light of a very important and relevant discovery/observation, but this just in:

fucking duh.

31 Kragar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 10:20:22pm

Or, what could be the most awesome off the wall choice for the Doctor…

Matt Berry.

32 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 10:20:29pm

Proof that the moon landing was a hoax perpetrated by NASA

Youtube Video

33 darthstar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 10:22:57pm

Another random image found on facebook.

Image: 1011411_10151716453067866_1618798707_n.jpg

34 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 10:46:06pm

re: #22 ProTARDISLiberal

I kinda want Alexander Siddig for the 12th Doctor.

Dr. Bashir!
;)

35 boredtechindenver  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 11:16:59pm

I would like either Chiwetel Ejiofor or Idris Elba as the Doctor.

36 prairiefire  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 11:34:00pm

OT ~ The Dutchess had a boy!!

37 sagehen  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 11:46:58pm

per TPM:
editors.talkingpointsmemo.com

BREAKING
Bizarro fairyland country decides helpless newborn infant will be future head of state.

38 Kragar  Mon, Jul 22, 2013 11:48:33pm

Dennis Farina has passed away.

39 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 12:05:02am

re: #38 Kragar

Dennis Farina has passed away.

Yet Abe Vigoda and Betty White are still alive.

40 prairiefire  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 12:13:41am

re: #38 Kragar

Man, that’s awful.

41 Mickey_being_mickey  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 12:20:39am

re: #22 ProTARDISLiberal

I kinda want Alexander Siddig for the 12th Doctor.

Sue Perkins. Because, why not?

42 Kragar  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 12:38:46am

re: #41 Mickey_being_mickey

Sue Perkins. Because, why not?

Richard Ayoade

43 prairiefire  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 1:04:59am

re: #13 darthstar

He’s still in the airport, right? I fucking love that. How lonely must he be?

Lonely, smelly, and uncomfortable.

44 freetoken  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 2:27:08am

Your full course (2 hour) music menu:

Dean’s “Ampitheatre”

Prokofiev Piano Concerto No. 3
Yuja Wang

Nielsen Symphony No. 5
Sakari Oramo conducts

Brahms Serenade No. 2 in A Major, Op. 16
Lorin Maazel, conductor


SoundCloud

Music starts at 3:50 in.

45 freetoken  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 2:36:11am

Yuja Wang:

latimesblogs.latimes.com

… be still my heart…

46 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 2:51:28am

re: #31 Kragar

Or, what could be the most awesome off the wall choice for the Doctor…

Matt Berry.

Richard Ayoade.

47 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 3:42:50am

re: #22 ProTARDISLiberal

I kinda want Alexander Siddig for the 12th Doctor.

Alexander Siddiq’s real name is epic.

Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi

48 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 3:47:07am

John Oliver Rips CNN’s ‘Royal’ Commentator: ‘Burn The Princess, For She Has Produced A Baby Of The Weaker Sex!’

mediaite.com

49 freetoken  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 3:50:18am

There was a new poll, of questionable value, released yesterday on creationism in the US:

BELIEF IN EVOLUTION UP SINCE 2004

One reason I wonder about its validity is that it shows such a rapid growth in the acceptance of godless evolution.

Also, looking at the tables:
cdn.yougov.com
we see that of the 48 self-professed atheists questioned one agreed to God creating humans in the past 10000 years, and six others chose “don’t know”, when only one of the three choices was godless.

50 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 3:54:33am

re: #47 Dr Lizardo

He’s a member of some important family, if I remember right. Thus, he’s got a lot of names.

Must have made it tough filling out school forms.

“Excuse me, teacher, may I have another sheet of paper for my name?”

51 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 4:00:45am

re: #50 wheat-dogghazi

He’s a member of some important family, if I remember right. Thus, he’s got a lot of names.

Must have made it tough filling out school forms.

“Excuse me, teacher, may I have another sheet of paper for my name?”

Heh. Imagine a business card!

52 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 4:15:23am

re: #49 freetoken

There was a new poll, of questionable value, released yesterday on creationism in the US:

BELIEF IN EVOLUTION UP SINCE 2004

One reason I wonder about its validity is that it shows such a rapid growth in the acceptance of godless evolution.

Also, looking at the tables:
cdn.yougov.com
we see that of the 48 self-professed atheists questioned one agreed to God creating humans in the past 10000 years, and six others chose “don’t know”, when only one of the three choices was godless.

What struck me was that the age group 30-44 had the largest percentage that believed that “God created human beings in their present form within the last ten thousand years.”

Mormons, at 76%, was the largest % who believed in teaching creationism or “intelligent design”. even higher than Protestants at 52%. Not surprising in that the Book of Mormon states American Natives are considered descendants of Jews, too. usatoday30.usatoday.com

“For a century or so, scientists have theorized Asians migrated to the Americas across a land bridge at least 14,000 years ago. But Mormons have been taught to believe the Book of Mormon — the faith’s keystone text — is a literal record of God’s dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas who descended from the Israelite patriarch Lehi, who sailed to the New World around 600 B.C. The book’s narrative continues through about 400 A.D. “

53 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 4:57:46am

re: #51 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Imagine a business card!

“Please see other side …”

54 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 4:58:24am

re: #53 wheat-dogghazi

“Please see other side …”

He’d need a whole deck!

55 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 5:00:01am

Gah, wingnuts still Derping that Detroit was “destroyed by LIBERALISM and SOSHULIZM”

Dumbasses, if Detroit was “Socialist” how do u explain THE BRIDGE TROLL?

They can’t.

56 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 5:24:33am

Still sick of the American coverage of people who live like one percenters and are subsidized by the British public even while social programs both here and in the UK are being cut daily for the hoi polloi and welfare for the wealthy increased.

I don’t tend to see anything much except an obscenity.

57 Wile E. Wonka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 5:28:11am

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

Gah, wingnuts still Derping that Detroit was “destroyed by LIBERALISM and SOSHULIZM”

Dumbasses, if Detroit was “Socialist” how do u explain THE BRIDGE TROLL?

They can’t.

Come to think of it, I seem to recall that the nascent American socialist movement (I’m thinking of Upton Sinclair and his “ilk”) organized themselves around opposition to a few basic wrongs: corporate exploitation of the poor, corporate poisoning of the land/water/food/etc….

…and slumlords.

In fact, wasn’t ACORN founded by a group of “improvement squatters” who were fed up with slumlords buying up blighted property in working-class neighborhoods and leaving it to rot until they could flip it for a profit?

The more I think about it, the more I feel like Detroit is about as clear a case in need of a little socialism as there can be.

Huh wut? Pensions? My American Legion father-in-law, retired from thirty years with Ford, might have a thing or two to say about whether pensions are socialism… :)

58 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 5:36:08am

re: #57 Wile E. Wonka

Come to think of it, I seem to recall that the nascent American socialist movement (I’m thinking of Upton Sinclair and his “ilk”) organized themselves around opposition to a few basic wrongs: corporate exploitation of the poor, corporate poisoning of the land/water/food/etc….

…and slumlords.

In fact, wasn’t ACORN founded by a group of “improvement squatters” who were fed up with slumlords buying up blighted property in working-class neighborhoods and leaving it to rot until they could flip it for a profit?

The more I think about it, the more I feel like Detroit is about as clear a case in need of a little socialism as there can be.

Huh wut? Pensions? My American Legion father-in-law, retired from thirty years with Ford, might have a thing or two to say about whether pensions are socialism… :)

Wingnuts are SO FOND of Tweeting “ruin porn” photos of abandoned buildings in Detroit and saying LIBRULZ & SOSHULISTS CREATED THIS!!11 when most of the abandoned properties they display ARE OWNED BY MATTY MOROUN & OTHERS LIKE HIM.

Yes Detroit is fucked, but it has nothing to do with 50 YEARS OF DEMOCRAT GOVERNMENT. There are few major American cities that DO NOT have a Democrat as mayor. Anyway the Office of Mayor of Detroit is non-partisan. However we have had 30 years of Republican governors.

59 Wile E. Wonka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 5:37:01am

Oh, and good morning, y’all.

Our heat wave is finally getting rained on, and the bulk of the week is looking to wax sweet indeed. Good thing too, seeing as how The Sprout is missing the outdoors furiously.

60 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 5:39:51am

re: #52 Justanotherhuman

What struck me was that the age group 30-44 had the largest percentage that believed that “God created human beings in their present form within the last ten thousand years.”

Mormons, at 76%, was the largest % who believed in teaching creationism or “intelligent design”. even higher than Protestants at 52%. Not surprising in that the Book of Mormon states American Natives are considered descendants of Jews, too. usatoday30.usatoday.com

“For a century or so, scientists have theorized Asians migrated to the Americas across a land bridge at least 14,000 years ago. But Mormons have been taught to believe the Book of Mormon — the faith’s keystone text — is a literal record of God’s dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas who descended from the Israelite patriarch Lehi, who sailed to the New World around 600 B.C. The book’s narrative continues through about 400 A.D. “

Mormons hold to those beliefs despite ample, modern evidence contradicting them. Genetic evidence alone indicates there was no “migration” from the Levant to North America in prehistoric times.

61 b.d.  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 5:43:34am

Snowden really has put Russia in a bind too. The have to pretend that the stuff he is peddling would even rate a call back from The KGB spy hiring office.

Snowden knocked over a gumball machine and is proclaiming that he busted the vault of Fort Knox.

62 Wile E. Wonka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 5:43:38am

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

Yes Detroit is fucked, but it has nothing to do with 50 YEARS OF DEMOCRAT GOVERNMENT. There are few major American cities that DO NOT have a Democrat as mayor. Anyway the Office of Mayor of Detroit is non-partisan. However we have had 30 years of Republican governors.

Yup. That was kind of my point, really. Far as I can tell, the ills of Detroit can be laid squarely at the feet of its crushing feudalist inequality. What middle class it still had (after the whole Rust Belt decline) has all gone away, leaving only workers who can’t find work and aristocrats who won’t provide any.

63 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 5:50:08am

re: #62 Wile E. Wonka

Yup. That was kind of my point, really. Far as I can tell, the ills of Detroit can be laid squarely at the feet of its crushing feudalist inequality. What middle class it still had (after the whole Rust Belt decline) has all gone away, leaving only workers who can’t find work and aristocrats who won’t provide any.

There are still jobs at the auto companies, but most of these are located in the suburbs (Dearborn, Warren) and the workers who work there also live in the suburbs and just drive through the city on their way to and from work.

People who live in the suburbs but work inside the Detroit city limits have to pay city tax, which sucks, but how else is the city supposed to raise revenue except by taxing people who can afford to pay taxes?

I get calls from GM recruiters all the time for jobs that are located at the GM headquarters, but they can’t offer more money than I’m already making, without the city tax because I work in Dearborn.

64 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 5:52:15am

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

There are still jobs at the auto companies, but most of these are located in the suburbs (Dearborn, Warren) and the workers who work there also live in the suburbs and just drive through the city on their way to and from work.

People who live in the suburbs but work inside the Detroit city limits have to pay city tax, which sucks, but how else is the city supposed to raise revenue except by taxing people who can afford to pay taxes?

I get calls from GM recruiters all the time for jobs that are located at the GM headquarters, but they can’t offer more money than I’m already making, without the city tax because I work in Dearborn.

Paying city wage taxes to work in the city isn’t just Detroit. Philadelphia does it as well. Pittsburgh, in lieu of a percentage if you live in the city, charges non-city residents working in the city a flat annual fee.

65 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 5:53:57am

re: #64 Feline Fearless Leader

Paying city wage taxes to work in the city isn’t just Detroit. Philadelphia does it as well. Pittsburgh, in lieu of a percentage if you live in the city, charges non-city residents working in the city a flat annual fee.

Also, in addition to “White Flight” from Detroit in the wake of the 1967 riots, there was also flight of Black middle-class professionals to the suburbs.

66 Wile E. Wonka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 5:59:33am

re: #64 Feline Fearless Leader

Paying city wage taxes to work in the city isn’t just Detroit. Philadelphia does it as well. Pittsburgh, in lieu of a percentage if you live in the city, charges non-city residents working in the city a flat annual fee.

New York tried to go one step further several years back, repealing the city income tax for NYC residents but preserving it for people who worked in the City and lived elsewhere. We called it the “commuter tax.”

It was struck down by the courts, and NYC eventually went back to taxing everyone who works there.

67 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:01:57am

re: #56 Justanotherhuman

Still sick of the American coverage of people who live like one percenters and are subsidized by the British public even while social programs both here and in the UK are being cut daily for the hoi polloi and welfare for the wealthy increased.

I don’t tend to see anything much except an obscenity.

The public subsidy of the royals has been substantially reduced during the current monarchy, and they are paying taxes on some of those properties now. en.wikipedia.org

According to the linked wiki entry, the total public subsidy for the Royal Family, including maintenance of the publicly owned residences is £41.5M. For comparison, upkeep of the White House is about $13.5 million for FY2014. (PDF: whitehouse.gov

Most of the royal’s “possessions” are held in trust by the British government, and that includes all the jewels and finery the Queen sports on special occasions. So, they don’t own most of what they use, and pay taxes on what they do own. (Although it seems the Queen and Prince Phil are exempt from taxation.)

I sympathize with your impatience with the hoopla about the new royal baby, but abolishing the monarchy in the UK is not going to feed many people or create an economic boom.

68 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:02:55am

The Stopped Clock

69 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:03:09am

re: #60 wheat-dogghazi

It does make you wonder about people who still believe the stories of a con man, “golden” tablets, and “writings” interpreted in secret and promoted without question. Time seems to absolve total lies when you get enough people to believe, and burnish, them.

70 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:08:35am

CONFIRMED. FACT.
Just like all the “Left Wing Plants” who leave all those hundreds and hundreds of racist comments at your websites, paid by SOROS for every post!!!1!!

71 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:08:43am

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

Well, there’s a whole lot of people who have been snookered into A Course in Miracles, to give a more recent example. And dare I mention Scientology as another?

72 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:14:26am

re: #67 wheat-dogghazi

But where does the personal wealth of the royals come from? William is said to have inherited $20M from his mother, and will inherit an even more substantial sum from his father, Charles. Even more than the amt of money involved in keeping these people up by the govt, is the entire idea of privilege and wealth brought only by birth and the advantages it brings.

The royal prerogative is still there in the constitutional republic, and the monarch is still considered the head of state, the commander-in-chief of the British forces, and the head of the Church of England, even if only nominally.

73 Wile E. Wonka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:20:05am

re: #71 wheat-dogghazi

Well, there’s a whole lot of people who have been snookered into A Course in Miracles, to give a more recent example. And dare I mention Scientology as another?

Watching the progress of religions like the Mormons, Scientology, or even pseudo-religious “spiritual practices” like Masonry, Theosophy, TM, etc. — from their hucksterish origins to their first blush as a fanatical antiestablishment cult, to becoming everyone’s favorite excuse for beating up on mystics/hippies/actors/pioneers, to actual battles both pitched and legal, to watering-down of principles, grudging social acceptance and finally full membership in the mainstream, really makes me wonder about the origin narratives of our “ancient faiths” and how they actually went down.

(Okay, so Scientology hasn’t entered the “watering-down” phase yet. You just wait. *grin*)

I just keep thinking of Harry Dean Stanton as Saint Paul.

74 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:25:24am

re: #66 Wile E. Wonka

New York tried to go one step further several years back, repealing the city income tax for NYC residents but preserving it for people who worked in the City and lived elsewhere. We called it the “commuter tax.”

It was struck down by the courts, and NYC eventually went back to taxing everyone who works there.

I presume it was essentially struck down as too explicit of a “taxation without representation” measure? And as such a bit too much inequality.

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:29:09am

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

Also, in addition to “White Flight” from Detroit in the wake of the 1967 riots, there was also flight of Black middle-class professionals to the suburbs.

I know people who avoid living in cities due to the tax rates, or will not take jobs *in* cities due to same. Of course, that is for people who have some choices regarding employment.

When I worked in D.C. back in the late 80s I think they had a requirement that to hold some of the city jobs (police, fire) you *had* to reside in the District of Columbia. Not sure if they still have that, or have since relaxed it.

76 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:31:16am

WAIT HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE - YOU’RE TELLING ME GLENN GREENWALD IS NOT THE PARAGON OF TRUTH?

MY WORLD IS SHATTERED

/WRISTS

77 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:36:39am

re: #72 Justanotherhuman

Well, like a lot of rich folks, they inherited most of their wealth from their ancestors, and royal families have the advantage of their assets (usually) being protected from seizures or bankruptcy. (Russia being a notable counter-example …)

I’m not an expert here, but I imagine some of the Windsor’s wealth dates back to feudal times. They also invest, like rich people do.

One argument for keeping the monarchy in the UK is that it is in many ways a living monument to the history and culture there. When you get right down to it, Stonehenge is just a pile of big rocks, but it has a lot of historical and cultural significance. But I don’t hear people wailing and gnashing their teeth over the cost of preserving it. Maybe the British royals don’t need to be so rich, or spend so much, but who wants a Queen wearing a tin crown and blue jeans at state occasions?

Besides, who bloody cares? We’re Americans. Not our fight any more.

78 Wile E. Wonka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:37:53am

re: #72 Justanotherhuman

But where does the personal wealth of the royals come from? William is said to have inherited $20M from his mother, and will inherit an even more substantial sum from his father, Charles. Even more than the amt of money involved in keeping these people up by the govt, is the entire idea of privilege and wealth brought only by birth and the advantages it brings.

The royal prerogative is still there in the constitutional republic, and the monarch is still considered the head of state, the commander-in-chief of the British forces, and the head of the Church of England, even if only nominally.

Well, any American knows that you don’t need noble titles to have an entrenched class of hereditary privilege and wealth. I’m not fond of inherited wealth, but I’ll admit there’s something to be said for grooming children that you know are going to be fabulously wealthy adults in the skills and responsibilities incumbent on being a Professional Role Model.

You might say their peccadilloes show that they haven’t done well at their jobs, but compare them to our Waltons, Kennedys, Bushes, Hiltons, etc. and maybe they don’t look so bad for all that.

Still in all, I prefer the German system, where they elect a head of state who explicitly drops all party affiliation for the duration and represents the “soul of the people” in a non-governing, advisory, role-modeling way, much as the British monarch does. Keeps the reprobates out.

(I sometimes suspect Elizabeth II of similar opinions, when she’s alone with her conscience. *heh*)

79 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:42:00am

re: #78 Wile E. Wonka

(I sometimes suspect Elizabeth II of similar opinions, when she’s alone with her conscience. *heh*)

Another argument for keeping the royals around is to serve as a moderating influence on the elected officials, as part of a traditional system of checks and balances. Ours are codified in the Constitution. Theirs is largely traditional and common law.

80 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:45:40am

re: #19 piratedan

The Private sector looks inept and bloated, much like what the government agency they were supposed to be efficiently replacing. Their vetting and security processes are going to be scrutinized and perhaps this will dial back that forever R meme of “private does it better”. Not sure they’re going to come out smelling like Fabreeze when the washing is done.

Spoiler alert: the private sector is ‘more efficient’ than the government only to the extent that the private sector isn’t required to disclose their various and sundry fuck-ups.

When I was doing my time as a footsoldier in the K Empire, they made sure to make me waste half of my first shift watching bullshit training videos, about half of which were about procedure and about half of which were “Please don’t laugh at the customers and call them idiots to their faces”. A couple weeks later, one of our delivery truckers (who was clearly a massive alcoholic based on the nature of the injury) somehow busted his nose on the plastic flaps on the delivery dock doorways, and bled all over our bathroom like a damned faucet. I get called up to handle it, so of course the first thing I do is ask where my Body Fluid Cleanup Kit and attendant safety gear is located.

I get told to grab a jug of bleach off the shelf and let the manager know the UPC code for it, and go get some gloves from the deli — the kind with holes all through them.

The only difference between private sector and public sector is that the public sector has rules about having to disclose things to you.

81 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:47:28am

re: #80 GunstarGreen

Similar to why charter schools and vouchers are such a bad idea for public education.

82 Wile E. Wonka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:51:40am

re: #74 Feline Fearless Leader

I presume it was essentially struck down as too explicit of a “taxation without representation” measure? And as such a bit too much inequality.

This pretty well sums it up:
robertsandholland.com

Apparently there were two lawsuits, and the whole thing was more complicated than I remembered it. I just know we were relieved when it was struck down, since by that time only NJ residents (like us) and other out-of-staters who worked in the City were paying it.

83 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:53:10am

re: #31 Kragar

Or, what could be the most awesome off the wall choice for the Doctor…

Matt Berry.

Nick Frost, or maybe even Matthew Lewis. Both do comedy, and have some physical acting skills necessary for any Doctor. Lewis would get the Harry Potter crowd, while Frost gets the Simon Pegg crowd.

84 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:53:37am

re: #76 Internet Tough Guy

Did you check the phone for bugs first? /

85 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:57:01am

The name I was born under is Middle English for “freeholder”, a class of landowners not tied to the lord of the manor, but holding land in fee simple.

I suspect my English ancestors were as anti-monarchy as I am. After all, they’ve been in this part of the world for 300 yrs now.

86 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 6:58:10am

There is a great article* by Kevin Cullen in today’s Boston Globe about how none of the wiseguys are taking any responsibility for their actions. Flemmi blaming Whitey, Whitey blaming the feds.

Flemmi is being cross-examined right now about his involvement in the murder of his step-daughter/lover and really hammering home his responsibility in the murder:


* Article behind paywall: bostonglobe.com

87 darthstar  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:05:29am

Wow…this article almost makes me like Ted Cruz

After talking about the GOP picking moderate candidates, he closes with this:

Ted Cruz, on the other hand, is their giant box of Godiva chocolates at a Weight Watchers convention, their open bottle of Jim Beam at an AA meeting. He’s the bad boy tempting them to throw away all restraint, the one whispering in their ear all the things they want to hear and believe.

And if they succumb, he’s going to leave them fat, drunk and pregnant.

88 darthstar  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:07:19am
89 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:08:47am

POORS!

90 darthstar  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:12:30am
91 darthstar  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:13:26am

re: #90 darthstar

It begs the question:

92 darthstar  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:15:46am
93 darthstar  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:17:09am
94 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:18:08am

re: #91 darthstar

The Muslims of course. And the Africans themselves. Can’t forget that.

But that would have to ignore that it was the Europeans and then Americans who made fortunes by turning to the slave trade and wholesale importation of Africans to the US and Caribbean. They turned it into an industry complete with a supply chain, the sole purpose of which was to keep the plantations equipped with labor and with no care about how it treated the labor.

95 darthstar  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:20:19am

re: #94 lawhawk

I should have said, “Who started US slavery?”

There’s so much fail in the Republican message right now…sheesh. I think I’ll go walk the dogs.

96 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:20:29am

re: #92 darthstar

Awesome.

Boener’s next tweet: Nobody’s done more than me to make univeral healthcare a reality in America. Nobody.

97 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:22:36am

re: #93 darthstar

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This time, the GOP really means it when they say they won’t agree to raise the debt ceiling higher. No, seriously, they’re totally not gonna do it! STOP LAUGHING!!!

//

98 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:23:41am

re: #93 darthstar

The GOP is playing with fire once again, and they continue to think that they’re going to come out ahead by putting the debt ceiling up for grabs. They want to play chicken with the economy to say that they’ve beat the Administration. They’re willing to risk the credit of the US to satisfy their political ambitions.

Moreover, they’re pushing to sabotage the economy, health care, womens and civil rights, and even immigration policy so as to claim victory. This isn’t governance. It’s abdication of governance in favor of politics of destruction and total war.

99 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:23:48am

re: #93 darthstar

But spendingisoutofcontrol and DEBTDEFICIT!!!!!

//

100 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:26:27am

re: #99 Bulworth

You’re not hearing much about the deficits these days - in part because the deficit projections are shrinking through spending curbs, reductions in health care spending, and sequester. Sure, you’ll hear tons about how Obama’s cumulative budget deficit is largest in history, but it ignores that the pace of that growth has decelerated rapidly (and perhaps faster than it should have because it meant that the economy can’t resume growing as fast as anyone would like).

101 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:29:26am

re: #89 Vicious Babushka

POORS!

[Embedded content]

This jives with another piece I read some years ago; unfortunately I don’t remember any of the details about who wrote it or where it appeared. But basically, it was detailing the ‘keeping up with the Joneses’ syndrome, and how people with an assload of money frequently feel like they don’t have much because they’re constantly ‘having’ to spend it to keep up the decorum expected of them by their ultra-wealthy peers. Old money snobbing on new money that doesn’t have quite as much, for example.

It’s one more symptom of the “two Americas” pathology. The wealthy scramble for every last penny they can get, constantly screwing the rest of us, because in their world not having 5 million on hand makes you ‘poor’. The rest of us would likely do some drastic things on the promise of a completely legal 500 grand — money with which to pay off the mortgage and the vehicle(s) and the credit/student loan debt and then not have to worry about whether today is the day you lose your job. The gulf between the average citizen and the wealthy citizen is now so enormous that the average citizen cannot even conceive of what life is like to be truly rich in this country. What we consider to be ‘rich’ is literally pocket change to these people.

This is why we cannot allow the 1% to control the dialog on ‘wealth distribution’ in this nation. Wealth has been redistributed by the government for the past three decades — redistributed from the bottom to the top in such insane proportions that the top now feel that having as much money as the average citizen earns in over 125 years of work is not ‘wealthy enough’.

Think about that for a moment. If you make around the national average salary, knowing how skewed that is from the top side… you could work your ass off for over one and a quarter CENTURIES and still be considered ‘not wealthy’ by the standards of the 1%.

102 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:31:21am

re: #100 lawhawk

You’re not hearing much about the deficits these days - in part because the deficit projections are shrinking through spending curbs, reductions in health care spending, and sequester. Sure, you’ll hear tons about how Obama’s cumulative budget deficit is largest in history, but it ignores that the pace of that growth has decelerated rapidly (and perhaps faster than it should have because it meant that the economy can’t resume growing as fast as anyone would like).

Discretionary spending is lower than it’s been in decades, which is why the leading charge now for their debt ceiling showdown is demands that the Ryan Plan’s “entitlement reform” provisions be adopted as part of any deal. That’s just not happening and only the truly foolish amongst them think otherwise. Hence why they tried to game the system recently by passing a bill that they say allows the Treasury to keep servicing foreign debt while putting bills for things like Social Security and Medicare aside.

103 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:34:02am

Good morning lizards!

104 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:34:12am

ZOMFG LIBRUL ACTIVIST WAS HOLDING A “RACIST” SIGN AT ZIMMERMAN RALLY!!11!!
Wingnuttia is all aderp over TEH FALSE FLAG!!!11!!!!
Nothing is said about the hundreds of racist comments posted at Breitbart.

105 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:36:01am

re: #89 Vicious Babushka

To follow up:

Three Of Every Four Americans Are Living Paycheck-To-Paycheck thinkprogress.org

“The study, conducted by Bankrate.com, found that 76 percent of citizens had less than six months’ worth of savings to their name. Half of Americans had less than three months emergency savings and more than a quarter had no savings at all.

“Were they to lose their job or face a financial emergency, these savings would not be enough to keep them afloat.”

Well, I’m in the lowest quarter, so it’s no surprise to me. And I still laugh at that McDonald’s budget.

106 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:36:50am

DERP

107 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:36:52am

re: #104 Vicious Babushka

ZOMFG LIBRUL ACTIVIST WAS HOLDING A “RACIST” SIGN AT ZIMMERMAN RALLY!!11!!
Wingnuttia is all aderp over TEH FALSE FLAG!!!11!!!!
Nothing is said about the hundreds of racist comments posted at Breitbart.

I’m still waiting for my answer from Benny:

108 piratedan  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:38:33am

re: #106 Vicious Babushka

that makes R’s political communists, because they obviously hate the Wimmens and the poors and the blahs for all of those extra rights that they have, right?

109 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:38:45am

Holy Hell! Someone finally told @BenShapiro that the 1990’s Mike Myers look was out. Got himself a fresh new avi.

110 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:38:58am

re: #96 Bulworth

Awesome.

Boener’s next tweet: Nobody’s done more than me to make univeral healthcare a reality in America. Nobody.

Rolling around on a plastic tarp covered with Cheetos dust in a weepy blackout drunk would not be something I’d consider a crucial contribution to immigration OR healthcare reform

111 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:40:14am

re: #109 geoffm33

Holy Hell! Someone finally told @BenShapiro that the 1990’s Mike Myers look was out. Got himself a fresh new avi.

I guess he didn’t want anyone else snatching the avi off his Twitter profile and using it to create another “Children of the Corn” photoshop.

112 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:40:33am

re: #108 piratedan

And they smear the well-educated, wealthy actors, etc.

113 twisty  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:41:18am

Had an… interesting person of Irish descent tell me today that Irish people faced much worse than American black people ever did. Invited to explain slavery, he decided that wage slavery and mine work was actually much worse than chattel slavery and field work, because chattel slaves were considered possessions and expensive to replace, so naturally an owner wouldn’t kill or damage his possession too much (!), and at least field work is outside in the fresh air.

Confirmed for: 1) being a dingus, 2) never doing a single minute of field work, 3) never stepping outside in the South between April and October, 4) failing to understand that being considered a possession is not roses and sunshine, 5) seriously what a rotbrained jackass. All these mental gymnastics under the heading of “I am Irish(-American) and don’t need to feel bad about or care about slavery.” I am not black myself, but I’m willing to venture a guess that most of the black community is not looking for white people to flog themselves over slavery, but just acknowledge that a huge historical wrong was indeed wrong and that it carries multiple effects up through history to this day. Shouldn’t be that hard.

114 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:41:22am

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

I guess he didn’t want anyone else snatching the avi off his Twitter profile and using it to create another “Children of the Corn” photoshop.

Those Children of the Corn photoshops will live forever.

115 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:42:47am

re: #106 Vicious Babushka

I thought Communists were all wealthy, well educated elites at universities, in Hollywood and the federal government. Now we’re supposed to be poor. FAIL. //

116 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:43:55am

I know there are Lizards in the process of researching their ancestry and thought this might prove interesting - and possibly as another research source.

One of my cousins is doing such research and recently forwarded out a pdf of a newspaper obit page. From 1900. On it was someone with the same surname as my family, and also a given name used repeatedly by my family. Mexican War veteran and also later a newspaper editor.

The obit mentioned that the family had immigrated from Germany near the Rhine River in 1711 and initially settled near Lancaster, PA.* Apparently at least one branch later moved further west since the obit was in a Bedford, PA paper. And I figure the branch of the family I come from split off from here, or also from Lancaster. (Not sure, but it opens up more investigative options.) The same obit page also had an obit for someone else with an ancestral name as well - but one that is common in that area since the clan that moved into the area from Virginia in the 1740s pretty much multiplied to fill the area.

Obit pages are pretty useful sources since they might include some family history and also tend to cover full names of spouses and children.

* - Seeing the Lancaster reference fit since I have come across some mention of people with my surname serving in the Pennsylvania regiments in the American Revolution.

117 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:44:57am

re: #114 Bulworth

Those Children of the Corn photoshops will live forever.

And they kick ass!

118 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:45:10am
119 b_sharp  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:45:33am

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

Gah, wingnuts still Derping that Detroit was “destroyed by LIBERALISM and SOSHULIZM”

Dumbasses, if Detroit was “Socialist” how do u explain THE BRIDGE TROLL?

They can’t.

Apparently the majority voting Dem in fed elections means it has been run by liberals as a socialist haven.

Yet the main reason for economic and population drops was the influx of foreign autos grabbing a slice of auto sales. It was the give and take of the market that did the most damage to Detroit.

120 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:45:55am

Ugh

121 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:46:54am

re: #119 b_sharp

Apparently the majority voting Dem in fed elections means it has been run by liberals as a socialist haven.

Yet the main reason for economic and population drops was the influx of foreign autos grabbing a slice of auto sales. It was the give and take of the market that did the most damage to Detroit.

The wingnuts like their memes short and to the point, like Animal Farm slogans.

122 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:51:15am

re: #121 Vicious Babushka

The wingnuts like their memes short and to the point, like Animal Farm slogans.

“All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others!”

123 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 7:53:45am

re: #122 Targetpractice

“All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others!”

I was thinking FOUR LEGS GOOD TWO LEGS BAAAAAD!!

124 Stanley Sea  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:01:49am
126 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:05:18am
127 twisty  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:17:20am

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

Why does a welder need to make $125/hour plus full benefits and retirement?

I really love how certain people will spend all day talking up the right to make money and achieve and American dream and etc etc but feel all icky if it’s someone in a trade or otherwise non-suit job doing it. It would be nice to know what specific case this person is talking about too, since I’d bet you $125 (per hour!) that there’s a factor justifying that pay level— like very high cost of living in the area, unusual danger in the job, or an extremely specialized type of welding skill needed.

128 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:22:16am

re: #127 twisty

I really love how certain people will spend all day talking up the right to make money and achieve and American dream and etc etc but feel all icky if it’s someone in a trade or otherwise non-suit job doing it. It would be nice to know what specific case this person is talking about too, since I’d bet you $125 (per hour!) that there’s a factor justifying that pay level— like very high cost of living in the area, unusual danger in the job, or an extremely specialized type of welding skill needed.

Actually the most a pipe welder can hope to make is $45/hr. I don’t know where that wingnut pulled the $125, probably out of her rear end.

129 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:22:51am

re: #127 twisty

Like with these guys: how much do you think they get paid for swinging steel 1,000 feet above street level?

130 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:25:31am

I think my favorite RWNJ meme, actually one that enjoys a great deal of mainstream cred for some reason, is the “Oh my God the tax code is SO complex and hard and stuff and nobody understands it.”

Like “taxes and spending are out of control” the meme just persists year after year, with nary a challenge.

Well, I’m middle-aged, I make pretty good money, but I only have one job, I work for wages, and it is my only source of income, so my taxes have been pretty simple. Filling out my tax return has been simple and easy for years. Which makes me like most people I think. Some time ago there was a report of the percentage of tax returners who used the EZ form, and it was a really high percentage. Yet, this “tax complex we must cut” meme lives on.

131 b_sharp  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:25:57am

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

Actually the most a pipe welder can hope to make is $45/hr. I don’t know where that wingnut pulled the $125, probably out of her rear end.

It’s easy.

Find an RW article that takes the highest paid union welder, add in all benefits, pensions (don’t forget employee contributions) and free chocolate bars. Then ignore all the add-ins and add them again and you get what dufus said.

132 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:26:19am

Zimmerman has a PR guy now. This one, linkedin.com who also describes himself in a newly opened twitter acct as “Communications Director” for Mark O’Mara: twitter.com

Obviously, he doesn’t tweet much, so how did he get the “news” out about Z’s “heroic rescue” in that auto accident? Press release?

133 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:27:38am

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

My favorite aspect of the typical corporate pay structure is that a CEO even gets a bonus when s/he gets fired for skillfully piloting the company straight into the ground.

I imagine the board of directors saying, “through your actions, inactions, incompetence, and failed adventures, you have cost thousands of employees their livelihoods; dragged this company’s reputation through the mud; and made our name a laughing stock in the very industry we helped create. You couldn’t be trusted to run a bath, much less a mulitbillion-dollar corporation. You’re out. Now, take this $20 million severance check and go think about the harm you’ve caused.”

134 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:27:59am

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

The CEO is doing all the work because lazy no good employees on unemployment!!!

//

135 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:28:06am
136 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:30:54am

re: #133 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

My favorite aspect of the typical corporate pay structure is that a CEO even gets a bonus when s/he gets fired for skillfully piloting the company straight into the ground.

I imagine the board of directors saying, “through your actions, inactions, incompetence, and failed adventures, you have cost thousands of employees their livelihoods; dragged this company’s reputation through the mud; and made our name a laughing stock in the very industry we helped create. You couldn’t be trusted to run a bath, much less a mulitbillion-dollar corporation. You’re out. Now, take this $20 million severance check and go think about the harm you’ve caused.”

The justification for the obscenely high CEO pay is “they have a highly specific skill set and if they are not paid what they think they are worth, they will just go somewhere else and get what they want, there is that much competition!”

GET GOING!

137 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:31:41am
138 Mateo Scourge  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:32:11am

re: #127 twisty

I really love how certain people will spend all day talking up the right to make money and achieve and American dream and etc etc but feel all icky if it’s someone in a trade or otherwise non-suit job doing it. It would be nice to know what specific case this person is talking about too, since I’d bet you $125 (per hour!) that there’s a factor justifying that pay level— like very high cost of living in the area, unusual danger in the job, or an extremely specialized type of welding skill needed.

There’s also a very strong ‘negative egalitarianism’ on the Right, where anyone who’s simply working/middle class should not be making more than anyone else. Paradoxically, there is no CEO or other wealthy person who makes too much. It’s like their dream is a two tiered society composed of workers who barely make enough to eat, and fabulously wealthy rich people.

139 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:32:13am

re: #131 b_sharp

It’s easy.

Find an RW article that takes the highest paid union welder, add in all benefits, pensions (don’t forget employee contributions) and free chocolate bars. Then ignore all the add-ins and add them again and you get what dufus said.

There are a few specialties that could pay well—exotic underwater welders certified for nuclear work. Those guys also have a short worklife because of rad bodyburdens.

140 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:32:26am

re: #130 Bulworth

I think my favorite RWNJ meme, actually one that enjoys a great deal of mainstream cred for some reason, is the “Oh my God the tax code is SO complex and hard and stuff and nobody understands it.”

Like “taxes and spending are out of control” the meme just persists year after year, with nary a challenge.

Well, I’m middle-aged, I make pretty good money, but I only have one job, I work for wages, and it is my only source of income, so my taxes have been pretty simple. Filling out my tax return has been simple and easy for years. Which makes me like most people I think. Some time ago there was a report of the percentage of tax returners who used the EZ form, and it was a really high percentage. Yet, this “tax complex we must cut” meme lives on.

I report and write about taxes for a living. The tax code is indeed extremely complex, especially at the state level. If you aren’t taking credits or deductions or exclusions, then the return is very easy. But once you figure out credits, deductions, and get into itemized returns, the complexity is turned up to 11.

Simplifying the tax code would mean getting rid of lots of those credits and deductions - and could result in either a lower tax rate (keeping the amended tax code revenue neutral) or the elimination of the credits and deductions could generate new revenues (under budget-speak, credits and deductions cost the government in lost revenue).

Simplifying the tax code would likewise extend to the state and local levels, where some states piggyback on the federal tax code, while others make wholesale changes or have their own system. Some states have moved to a flat tax with limited deductions and credits, while others are retaining a bracket system with a multitude of credits and deductions.

But simplification also means addressing issues like the 501(c) problem with identifying political activities - and that guidance can get very intricate and detailed too. Defining what constitutes dividends and their treatment takes reams of paper. How to deal with retirement income is also complex.

141 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:32:59am

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

So much FAIL. So little time.

The poors on foodstamp welfare are buying T-bone steaks and other pricey food.

The poors on foodstamp welfare are buying food that’s too cheap and that equals ABUSE and FRAUD.

142 twisty  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:33:26am

re: #129 lawhawk

Not as much as they should be, to be sure. My dad was a roughneck on an oil rig before I was born and Mom tells stories about tweezering metal shards out of his back, and says that once he found a different job he visibly aged backwards ten years since all that stress and danger was gone. And that was WITH a newborn me in the house. Manual laborers deserve so much more respect than they’re given.

143 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:33:53am

re: #129 lawhawk

Like with these guys: how much do you think they get paid for swinging steel 1,000 feet above street level?

Note the anemometer spinning its guts out in the last few minutes.

144 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:36:23am

re: #141 Bulworth

So much FAIL. So little time.

The poors on foodstamp welfare are buying T-bone steaks and other pricey food.

The poors on foodstamp welfare are buying food that’s too cheap and that equals ABUSE and FRAUD.

And they’re filling 55-gallon drums with foodstamp fudz to send to foreign countries!!11!!

145 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:36:38am

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

Actually the justification is that other companies in the same industry have similar salaries/compensation, so we wont be able to attract someone to our company without pushing a similar compensation plan. And when there’s companies that do well without paying out, the boards will shift their industry stats to exclude the companies that aren’t paying obscene compensation to their CEOs to retain the high-paying companies.

That’s how you get a whole bunch of companies that are sucking wind employing CEOs with obscene salaries and justifying it because the others are doing the same. Results aren’t included.

Yet, you’ve got outlier companies (Costco immediately comes to mind) that are very profitable, and yet the salary scale is far more reasonable than say at Sam’s Club (Walmart) - also profitable, but which treats employees like crap.

146 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:36:42am

re: #140 lawhawk

Yeah I also itemize but it’s still pretty easy. I’ve got the mortgage interest deduction, charities, and State/local taxes. It’s not terribly burdensome.

I grant that for people with businesses it’s probably a completely different story. But for most wage-earners, not so much.

Anyway, always odd to hear politicians in particular gripe about how the tax code is so complex. OK, well, how mister congresscritter did it get so complex for you? Who exactly created all the deductions, credits, and so on?

147 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:37:42am

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

The justification for the obscenely high CEO pay is “they have a highly specific skill set and if they are not paid what they think they are worth, they will just go somewhere else and get what they want, there is that much competition!”

GET GOING!

My offer to corporate America still stands.

For a salary of $250,000 per year, plus medical benefits and a “golden parachute” of a mere $1,000,000, I, Dr. Lizardo, will drive your company into absolute ruin in less than five years.

And I shall do so in epic style.

148 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:39:24am

re: #146 Bulworth

Yeah I also itemize but it’s still pretty easy. I’ve got the mortgage interest deduction, charities, and State/local taxes. It’s not terribly burdensome.

I grant that for people with businesses it’s probably a completely different story. But for most wage-earners, not so much.

Anyway, always odd to hear politicians in particular gripe about how the tax code is so complex. OK, well, how mister congresscritter did it get so complex for you? Who exactly created all the deductions, credits, and so on?

They’re gonna fix that as soon as they repeal Obamacare.

149 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:39:27am

re: #145 lawhawk

Actually the justification is that other companies in the same industry have similar salaries/compensation, so we wont be able to attract someone to our company without pushing a similar compensation plan. And when there’s companies that do well without paying out, the boards will shift their industry stats to exclude the companies that aren’t paying obscene compensation to their CEOs to retain the high-paying companies.

That’s how you get a whole bunch of companies that are sucking wind employing CEOs with obscene salaries and justifying it because the others are doing the same. Results aren’t included.

Yet, you’ve got outlier companies (Costco immediately comes to mind) that are very profitable, and yet the salary scale is far more reasonable than say at Sam’s Club (Walmart) - also profitable, but which treats employees like crap.

This is the fine whine that bankers were guzzling in ‘08 when the TARP bailout specified that they would not receive their usual obscene bonuses.

150 piratedan  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:39:30am

re: #147 Dr Lizardo

think of the money saved that can be returned to the stockholders! //

151 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:40:20am

re: #131 b_sharp

It’s the free chocolate bars. Total fraud and abuse. //

152 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:41:55am

re: #145 lawhawk

Actually the justification is that other companies in the same industry have similar salaries/compensation, so we wont be able to attract someone to our company without pushing a similar compensation plan. And when there’s companies that do well without paying out, the boards will shift their industry stats to exclude the companies that aren’t paying obscene compensation to their CEOs to retain the high-paying companies.

That’s how you get a whole bunch of companies that are sucking wind employing CEOs with obscene salaries and justifying it because the others are doing the same. Results aren’t included.

Yet, you’ve got outlier companies (Costco immediately comes to mind) that are very profitable, and yet the salary scale is far more reasonable than say at Sam’s Club (Walmart) - also profitable, but which treats employees like crap.

You also have the example of other countries, where the compensation for CEOs is much, much lower, and yet those companies compete with ours successfully. So it’s really, really obviously just a cultural thing here in the US.

153 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:42:00am

re: #127 twisty

Yeah, people should work hard for their gruel and WHY ARE THEY MAKING SO MUCH MONEY???

Also, too: when wingnuts whine about Other People making too much money it’s totally not about envying other people with money, which only liberalcommies do. //

154 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:42:48am

re: #147 Dr Lizardo

I’ll do it for $100K.

Bidding down never happens to those types. It’s always up, up, up; thus those golden, and now platinum, parachutes when the sky is about to fall, too.

155 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:43:46am

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

I don’t know where that wingnut pulled the $125, probably out of her rear end.

YOU LIES!!! I got it from National Review!!! Confirmed. FACT.

156 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:52:21am

Fresh ground coffee + inverted aeropress + ice cubes + glass with a brontosaurus on it = awesome.

158 twisty  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:52:46am

re: #153 Bulworth

The ultra-rich are pretty much our royalty. Celebs too, but they generally fall under the ultra-rich category anyway. You don’t question royalty, you admire them from a distance and give them the devotion they deserve for being born as they are.

159 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:53:56am

re: #158 twisty

The ultra-rich are pretty much our royalty. Celebs too, but they generally fall under the ultra-rich category anyway. You don’t question royalty, you admire them from a distance and give them the devotion they deserve for being born as they are.

I’m sure that Donald Trump considers himself royalty but underneath his royal crown of hair, he’s still the vulgar peasant he always was.

160 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:55:54am

re: #156 geoffm33

Fresh ground coffee + inverted aeropress + ice cubes + glass with a brontosaurus on it = awesome.

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How do you make coffee in an aeropress? I keep wanting to get one.

Fucking aeropress, how does it work?

161 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:56:16am

re: #156 geoffm33

Hey, have I mentioned my friend Austen’s place in North Conway to you? Do you ever get up that way?

yelp.com

He’s an ex-pro-snowboarder, and he makes some of the best coffee I’ve ever tasted.

162 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:56:50am
163 BongCrodny  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:57:16am

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

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That doesn’t even make sense under any understanding of unions.

Union membership was around 30% of the country in the late 1940’s.

It was about 12% in 2010.

If unions couldn’t bankrupt the country back then, how the fuck are they supposed to be able to bankrupt the country now?

164 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:57:18am

From ThinkProgress, here are the changes to Voting rules being considered by North Carolina, y’all:

•Implementing a strict voter ID requirement that bars citizens who don’t have a proper photo ID from casting a ballot.

•Eliminating same-day voter registration, which allowed residents to register at the polls.

•Cutting early voting by a full week.

•Increasing the influence of money in elections by raising the maximum campaign contribution to $5,000 and increasing the limit every two years.

•Making it easier for voter suppression groups like True The Vote to challenge any voter who they think may be ineligible by requiring that challengers simply be registered in the same county, rather than precinct, of those they challenge.

•Vastly increasing the number of “poll observers” and increasing what they’re permitted to do. In 2012, ThinkProgress caught the Romney campaign training such poll observers using highly misleading information.

•Only permitting citizens to vote in their specific precinct, rather than casting a ballot in any nearby ward or election district. This can lead to widespread confusion, particularly in urban areas where many precincts can often be housed in the same building.

•Barring young adults from pre-registering as 16- and 17-year-olds, which is permitted by current law, and repealing a state directive that high schools conduct voter registration drives in order to boost turnout among young voters.

•Prohibiting paid voter registration drives, which tend to register poor and minority citizens.

•Dismantling three state public financing programs, including the landmark program that funded judicial elections.

•Weakening disclosure requirements for outside spending groups.

•Preventing counties from extending polling hours in the event of long lines or other extraordinary circumstances and making it more difficult for them to accommodate elderly or disabled voters with satellite polling sites at nursing homes, for instance.

165 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:58:04am

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

How do you make coffee in an aeropress? I keep wanting to get one.

Fucking aeropress, how does it work?

It’s incredibly easy. I use it.

You put the filter in the thingy. You screw the thingy onto the column. You put however much coffee you want in there. You pour hot water over it. You press down with the plunger. The pressure forces the hot water through the grounds, and you get great coffee.

I love it. The only downside is no crema, but I don’t really care.

166 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:59:12am

re: #163 BongCrodny

That doesn’t even make sense under any understanding of unions.

Union membership was around 30% of the country in the late 1940’s.

It was about 12% in 2010.

If unions couldn’t bankrupt the country back then, how the fuck are they supposed to be able to bankrupt the country now?

You expect wingnuts to have a logical explanation for their memes?

UUUUGH. UUUUUGH. YOONYUNZ BAAD. YOONYUNZ GIVE DETROIT OWIE. BAAD BAAD YOONYUNZ!!11 GUUUUUNZ!!!11

167 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:59:44am

re: #165 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Why not just use a coffee press?

168 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 8:59:54am

re: #164 Bulworth

From ThinkProgress, here are the changes to Voting rules being considered by North Carolina, y’all:

Funny, when they’ve done that they will be pretty much like Alabama is now.

169 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:00:11am

re: #164 Bulworth

Wait, forgot this one:

—Require potential voters to pass a “citizenship” test, to be applied randomly to suspicious applicants.

OK, I made that one up. But can’t be far away, again.

170 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:01:41am
171 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:03:45am

re: #163 BongCrodny

That doesn’t even make sense under any understanding of unions.

Union membership was around 30% of the country in the late 1940’s.

It was about 12% in 2010.

If unions couldn’t bankrupt the country back then, how the fuck are they supposed to be able to bankrupt the country now?

Facts are irrelevant, there is only the narrative. The American Royalty (the 1%) need to keep the filthy peasants fighting amongst each other lest they find out about the cake they’re to be eating.

Every time some idiot tries to say something about DA EBIL YEWNYUNS to me, I regale them with the tale of how my mother has worked for the K Empire. She’s been in there for something like 15 years or so, but never joined United Food Workers because it’s an open shop, union membership is not required. She used to work accounting at her store (doesn’t anymore, she refused to do that job for the paltry pay they were offering any longer), and one of the then-current batch of mismanagers had it out for her, for some reason. Effectively, tried to get her suspended on ginned-up charges of things that never happened, and she could prove it. Management was ready to screw her, even after a decade of service, but UFW stood up for her even though she wasn’t even a member.

Don’t you dare try to sell me any ‘YEWNYUNS R BAD’ bullshit.

172 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:04:13am

re: #170 Vicious Babushka

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Yeah, well, Odin supports peace in the Mid East.
Deity wrath cancelled out.

173 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:04:20am

First lawsuit has been filed against douchebag Dem SD mayor who still refuses to resign…

San Diego Mayor’s Ex-Staffer Details Alleged Sexual Harassment: “Worst Time of My Entire Working Life”

A former employee of San Diego’s mayor stepped forward Monday claiming she was forced to resign after she said the mayor treated women as “sexual objects or stupid idiots.”

“The past six months turned out to be the worst time of my entire working life,” said Irene McCormack Jackson, former communication director for Mayor Bob Filner.

McCormack Jackson had worked as a journalist and as a manager with the Port of San Diego before she accepted the position on the mayor’s staff.
Among the allegations: that Mayor Filner told her to work without panties.

She also claims the mayor said he wanted to see her naked and couldn’t wait to consummate their relationship even though they had only a working relationship.

“He thought it was acceptable behavior to regularly make sexual comments that were crude and disgusting,” McCormack Jackson said.

She claims that Allen Jones resigned as deputy chief of staff after a senior staff meeting in which the mayor was told that his behavior with women “was terrible and possibly illegal.”

McCormack Jackson alleges that the mayor laughed off the warning.

174 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:05:00am

re: #167 Justanotherhuman

Why not just use a coffee press?

Do you mean a french press? Because they’re horrible to clean, and the grounds escape a lot. The Aeropress, once you’ve press it, you just inscrew it, chuck the coffee + paper filter (or, save the metal filter) in the garbage, and your’re done.

Also made of high-temp plastic rather than glass, so it won’t break so easily.

175 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:05:09am

re: #172 Varek Raith

Yeah, well, Odin supports peace in the Mid East.
Deity wrath cancelled out.

Pat is mega disappointed. He so totally wants that ARMAGEDDON.

176 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:07:27am

re: #171 GunstarGreen

Facts are irrelevant, there is only the narrative. The American Royalty (the 1%) need to keep the filthy peasants fighting amongst each other lest they find out about the cake they’re to be eating.

Every time some idiot tries to say something about DA EBIL YEWNYUNS to me, I regale them with the tale of how my mother has worked for the K Empire. She’s been in there for something like 15 years or so, but never joined United Food Workers because it’s an open shop, union membership is not required. She used to work accounting at her store (doesn’t anymore, she refused to do that job for the paltry pay they were offering any longer), and one of the then-current batch of mismanagers had it out for her, for some reason. Effectively, tried to get her suspended on ginned-up charges of things that never happened, and she could prove it. Management was ready to screw her, even after a decade of service, but UFW stood up for her even though she wasn’t even a member.

Don’t you dare try to sell me any ‘YEWNYUNS R BAD’ bullshit.


53 Union Bosses together still don’t make as much as 1 Walmart CEO.

177 Gus  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:07:51am

Conked out at about 2200… not in the bottom comments. Check.

178 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:08:18am

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

How do you make coffee in an aeropress? I keep wanting to get one.

Fucking aeropress, how does it work?

This is basically the routine I use:

snapguide.com

179 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:08:29am

re: #174 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Do you mean a french press? Because they’re horrible to clean, and the grounds escape a lot. The Aeropress, once you’ve press it, you just inscrew it, chuck the coffee + paper filter (or, save the metal filter) in the garbage, and your’re done.

Also made of high-temp plastic rather than glass, so it won’t break so easily.

Stainless vacuum-insulated French Press—$3.00 at a thrift store.

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180 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:09:06am

re: #161 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Hey, have I mentioned my friend Austen’s place in North Conway to you? Do you ever get up that way?

yelp.com

He’s an ex-pro-snowboarder, and he makes some of the best coffee I’ve ever tasted.

I don’t make it up there much but I would definitely stop off there if I do. Love good coffee!

181 piratedan  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:10:02am

re: #176 Vicious Babushka

I’d feel free to stack them against what the head of the AMA and private CEO’s for insurance companies and big pharma make, lets see how that looks shall we?

182 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:10:27am

re: #176 Vicious Babushka

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53 Union Bosses together still don’t make as much as 1 Walmart CEO.

Union Bosses are effectively CEOs of unions. Why don’t they deserve as much compensation as corporate CEOs?

Lightning Bonus Round: Explain the material difference in day-to-day work activities between a corporate CEO and a union boss.

OH SHIT MY BRAIN IS COLLAPSING IN ON ITSELF!

183 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:11:44am

re: #174 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Do you mean a french press? Because they’re horrible to clean, and the grounds escape a lot. The Aeropress, once you’ve press it, you just inscrew it, chuck the coffee + paper filter (or, save the metal filter) in the garbage, and your’re done.

Also made of high-temp plastic rather than glass, so it won’t break so easily.

Yep, this exactly.

Also, I don’t particularly enjoy the fines that come through in french press coffee. The paper filters in the aeropress keep those out. For those in the office that like the fines, I have a metal mesh filter for them.

I do the aeropress at the office, but switched over to using a chemex pour-over at home. Love them both.

184 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:11:52am

re: #182 GunstarGreen

Union Bosses are effectively CEOs of unions. Why don’t they deserve as much compensation as corporate CEOs?

OH SHIT MY BRAIN IS COLLAPSING IN ON ITSELF!

Shit.
You just divided by zero.

185 b_sharp  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:12:25am

re: #170 Vicious Babushka

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What a terribly confused old man.

186 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:13:48am

re: #185 b_sharp

What a terribly confused old man.

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187 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:14:55am

Corporate CEO makes 10 million a year. Union boss makes “six figures”, say 100 grand a year. Why am I outraged that the union boss makes 1% of the CEO’s pay and 53 union bosses together make up just over half of the one CEO?

MY FUCKING BRAIN AAARRRRRRRRGH!

188 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:15:22am
189 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:17:08am

Sen McCain has been talking sense for about 3 days now—another portent for Pat Robertson?

190 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:17:10am

re: #188 NJDhockeyfan

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Aw, poor guy. When I publicly release unauthorized documents from my company, I’m usually placed on “you’re fucking fired”.

191 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:17:23am
192 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:18:20am

re: #185 b_sharp

Nah, he just needs to keep his donation machine happy. If peace were to happen in the Middle East then his precious Rapture wouldn’t happen and well, then that might mean that whole Book of Revelations thing is bullshit, and we cannot have that. It’s fuck up his cash flow. The motto is Preserve the Grift. At all costs.

I wish someone would bug the crap out of Pat about Operation Blessing and blood diamonds and the whole grifty mess surrounding that. Fucking liar and thief.

193 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:19:10am

Today in Snowden: He’s been nominated for Whistleblower Of The Year by some group somewhere.

194 BongCrodny  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:19:32am

re: #176 Vicious Babushka

.@afscmelocal13 How about your 53 union bosses making 6 figure incomes? Aren’t they part of the 1%? — Dr. Walter K . Crooks

My reply to Dr. Walter K. Crooks:

Yes. They are. Tax the hell out of them, too.

195 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:20:26am

re: #193 Bulworth

Today in Snowden: He’s been nominated for Whistleblower Of The Year by some group somewhere.

Hope the prize is a fur Snuggy—gonna need it.

196 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:20:45am

re: #194 BongCrodny

My reply to Dr. Walter K. Crooks:

Yes. They are. Tax the hell out of them, too.

It’s like when RWNJ’s said why don’t we apply Section 5 of the VRA to all states. We were like, ‘OK!’.
Shut them up real quick on that one.

197 Gus  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:20:49am

re: #193 Bulworth

Today in Snowden: He’s been nominated for Whistleblower Of The Year by some group somewhere.

And, drones.

198 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:22:36am

re: #187 GunstarGreen

Corporate CEO makes 10 million a year. Union boss makes “six figures”, say 100 grand a year. Why am I outraged that the union boss makes 1% of the CEO’s pay and 53 union bosses together make up just over half of the one CEO?

MY FUCKING BRAIN AAARRRRRRRRGH!

And the wingnut who Tweeted that thinks “Union bosses” MAKE 2 MUCH & R PART OF TEH 1%!!!1!!

199 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:22:54am

Revisionist gotta revise!

200 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:23:41am

*HEAD DESK*

201 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:23:59am

I love how this genius can’t spell.

202 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:25:23am

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

I love how this genius can’t spell.

Youtube Video

203 Gus  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:25:57am
204 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:26:45am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

Well, glad you got the breadwinnerMom thing sorted out, tCOT.

205 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:27:11am

re: #199 Vicious Babushka

Revisionist gotta revise!

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I’d be interested in seeing a similar map for Europe.

Or perhaps “Europpe”.

206 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:27:24am

re: #203 Gus

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OH SHIT THEY’RE ON TO US

207 Gus  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:27:52am

[x] Snowden
[x] Jews
[x] Drones
[x] Benghazi

208 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:28:23am

re: #203 Gus

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Jewish on his Mother’s side, maybe. On the father’s side, pure Space Reptile.

209 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:28:40am

re: #205 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I’d be interested in seeing a similar map for Europe.

Or perhaps “Europpe”.

American Enterprise Institute=another Koch front group

210 Gus  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:29:09am

Jew-Drones™

211 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:30:11am

re: #203 Gus

The baby was also born in a wing of the hospital endowed by Sephardic Jews.

Coincidence? I think so! I mean not.

212 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:30:27am

DERP
HOW DARE TEH POORS CHOOSE TO BECOME EDUCATED

213 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:30:47am

re: #209 Vicious Babushka

American Enterprise Institute=another Koch front group

I understand being skeptical of the source, but does that map look particularly slanted to you?

214 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:31:52am

VOMIT

215 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:32:01am

re: #191 Varek Raith

TEPCO has been anything but straight with people from before the quake/tsunami. While some individual TEPCO employees have gone to heroic measures to try and contain the damage and limit the radioactive fallout, the company has been woefully unprepared to deal with the crisis and inadequately handled the disaster - up to and including addressing groundwater contamination.

It’s just mind boggling how long it took them to arrange backup generators to power the cooling systems (and which they failed to do in enough time to keep three of the reactors from melting down) after their existing backups got swamped in the tsunami because they were not sufficiently protected by the sea wall, were located on low ground, and to the sea-side of the reactors rather in a more protected located behind the reactors on higher ground.

216 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:32:14am

re: #212 Vicious Babushka

Well, Bethany is sick of reading about it so everybody stop with the student loan crisis thing. //

217 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:32:17am

re: #213 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I understand being skeptical of the source, but does that map look particularly slanted to you?

I have no idea where they got the stats to build that map.

218 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:32:30am

re: #213 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I understand being skeptical of the source, but does that map look particularly slanted to you?

Looks fairly meaningless to me. Especially since Americans don’t sit down and die where they’re born.

219 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:33:03am

re: #214 Vicious Babushka

Get the Accuracy In Media award machine fired up!!!

221 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:35:21am

re: #199 Vicious Babushka

Not sure why Inez would think this chart was super groovy.

222 Stoatly  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:36:06am

re: #165 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’ve ended up with a whole collection of portable coffee makers (I travel a lot and I need my coffee)

The aeropress is interesting, solid and easy to clean, though I stopped using it regularly because the taste isn’t what I’m after (I like a classic dark roasted espresso)
A lot of people really like the results from the aeropress - it brings out noticeably different flavours to other machines (also I seems to need to use more grounds than other methods and the caffeine hit seemed stronger)

I used a Handpresso for a long time - great coffee (loved being able to surprise an Italian friend by handing her a perfect espresso - while we were camped in a field at a music festival)

Changed to this because the Handpresso made only one shot at a time, for the price of lots of pumping effort, and any physical effort before I’ve had a coffee is too much

223 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:36:27am

re: #221 Bulworth

Not sure why Inez would think this chart was super groovy.

The Koch brothers make her all hot.

224 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:38:27am

re: #199 Vicious Babushka

Source of the map is the NYTimes, which includes the following:

The study — based on millions of anonymous earnings records and being released this week by a team of top academic economists — is the first with enough data to compare upward mobility across metropolitan areas. These comparisons provide some of the most powerful evidence so far about the factors that seem to drive people’s chances of rising beyond the station of their birth, including education, family structure and the economic layout of metropolitan areas.

Climbing the income ladder occurs less often in the Southeast and industrial Midwest, the data shows, with the odds notably low in Atlanta, Charlotte, Memphis, Raleigh, Indianapolis, Cincinnati and Columbus. By contrast, some of the highest rates occur in the Northeast, Great Plains and West, including in New York, Boston, Salt Lake City, Pittsburgh, Seattle and large swaths of California and Minnesota.

“Where you grow up matters,” said Nathaniel Hendren, a Harvard economist and one of the study’s authors. “There is tremendous variation across the U.S. in the extent to which kids can rise out of poverty.”

That variation does not stem simply from the fact that some areas have higher average incomes: upward mobility rates, Mr. Hendren added, often differ sharply in areas where average income is similar, like Atlanta and Seattle.

The gaps can be stark. On average, fairly poor children in Seattle — those who grew up in the 25th percentile of the national income distribution — do as well financially when they grow up as middle-class children — those who grew up at the 50th percentile — from Atlanta.

The ultimate source of the map is a study here.

225 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:38:56am

re: #222 Stoatly

…snip

I used a Handpresso for a long time - great coffee (loved being able to surprise an Italian friend by handing her a perfect espresso - while we were camped in a field at a music festival)

Changed to this because the Handpresso made only one shot at a time, for the price of lots of pumping effort, and any physical effort before I’ve had a coffee is too much

Take my stainless press, too. What my kids call “camping with Niles and Frasier”.

226 twisty  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:38:59am

re: #221 Bulworth

Yeah it kinda doesn’t help her case at all. The South has a belt of deeply entrenched poverty, because… uh, democrats!

227 b_sharp  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:39:38am

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

I love how this genius can’t spell.

What did she misspell?

228 sagehen  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:39:53am

re: #203 Gus

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Mishpocha!!

229 darthstar  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:39:59am

Okay…this is one of those youtube videos you have to wonder is a set up…but if it isn’t, it’s pretty good.

Youtube Video

230 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:40:15am

re: #227 b_sharp

What did she misspell?

recieve.

231 b_sharp  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:40:46am

re: #213 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I understand being skeptical of the source, but does that map look particularly slanted to you?

A lot of red on that map matches red on the political map.

232 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:40:48am

I before E except after C!

233 Gus  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:40:50am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

OH LOOK WHAT DEDICATION TO AYN RAND DID TO SEARS.

TLDNR. Also. AlterNet.

234 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:41:34am

re: #230 Vicious Babushka

recieve.

quintille

235 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:41:45am

re: #230 Vicious Babushka

recieve.

And ‘quintille’.

236 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:42:42am

re: #234 geoffm33

quintille is like quintile but with more tiles.

237 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:42:50am

AND THIS IS OBAMA’S FAULT EXACTLY HOW?

238 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:43:37am

re: #236 Bulworth

quintille is like quintile but with more tiles.

So more like scrabble then?

239 Gus  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:43:53am
240 b_sharp  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:44:18am

re: #230 Vicious Babushka

recieve.

Right. I usually spell it resieve. That’s why I didn’t notice.

Frac I’m tired.

241 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:44:19am

re: #237 Vicious Babushka

Medicare not-equal to Obamacare. But thanks for playing.

242 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:44:36am

re: #212 Vicious Babushka

What are the odds that she too benefited from student loans, but now can’t be bothered by the fact that tuition costs have skyrocketed and more students need loans to get basic college education (not even starting on the costs for grad school - necessary for being a doctor, lawyer, and some other professions).

Thing is that the student loan mess in Congress doesn’t address the fact that tuition has risen faster than most everything else, including health care at the same time as states have cut back their state-support funding. That means that the costs keep increasing for tuition, and the students have to shoulder even higher costs.

Having a college education is essential for many jobs in the country, and pushing the costs to these heights means that more people wont be able to get their chance to break into the middle class or beyond.

243 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:44:57am

re: #240 b_sharp

Right. I usually spell it resieve. That’s why I didn’t notice.

Frac I’m tired.

I spell it ‘get’.

244 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:46:01am

re: #242 lawhawk

What are the odds that she too benefited from student loans, but now can’t be bothered by the fact that tuition costs have skyrocketed and more students need loans to get basic college education (not even starting on the costs for grad school - necessary for being a doctor, lawyer, and some other professions).

Thing is that the student loan mess in Congress doesn’t address the fact that tuition has risen faster than most everything else, including health care at the same time as states have cut back their state-support funding. That means that the costs keep increasing for tuition, and the students have to shoulder even higher costs.

Having a college education is essential for many jobs in the country, and pushing the costs to these heights means that more people wont be able to get their chance to break into the middle class or beyond.

When I graduated in 1986, I owed $5000 in student loans (paid back within 1 year). Today it’s not unusual to owe $50,000.

245 Gus  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:46:24am

< ------ Drones | Center | Benghazi ------ >

246 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:46:52am

re: #237 Vicious Babushka

And it doesn’t necessarily mean the system will collapse. Medicare contains costs by negotiating lower rates for health care procedures due to the size of the program, so that pushes those costs down. That’s balanced by more people seeking those procedures and has to be covered by premiums.Expanding the class of people who are included in a Medicare style system will help offset the costs.

247 Gus  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:47:09am
248 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:48:05am

re: #247 Gus

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Okely dokely kookarino.

249 Dave In Austin  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:48:19am

My local has been Yokelled……

DERPPED

250 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:49:14am

re: #247 Gus

Oh, this will help the level of Twitter discourse considerably. /

251 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:49:26am

re: #247 Gus

He seems nice….

252 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:50:15am

re: #179 Decatur Deb

Props! Beats me cheap Ikea glass press for $2, which the previous owner evidently didn’t know how to use.

And I’ve never had grounds in coffee from it, either. Only makes 2 large cups and I wash it right away, so easy to clean. I use it for post-dinner specialty coffees, not the ordinary swill I have in the am.

253 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:51:08am

re: #242 lawhawk

What are the odds that she too benefited from student loans, but now can’t be bothered by the fact that tuition costs have skyrocketed and more students need loans to get basic college education (not even starting on the costs for grad school - necessary for being a doctor, lawyer, and some other professions).

Thing is that the student loan mess in Congress doesn’t address the fact that tuition has risen faster than most everything else, including health care at the same time as states have cut back their state-support funding. That means that the costs keep increasing for tuition, and the students have to shoulder even higher costs.

Having a college education is essential for many jobs in the country, and pushing the costs to these heights means that more people wont be able to get their chance to break into the middle class or beyond.

POORS SHOULD GET A DAMN JOB AND GET OFF MY TAX TEAT!

Well I’d love to get a job, but I don’t have a degree and you sort of need degrees to do more than flip burgers these days…

POORS SHOULD STOP BEING LAZY AND GET A DAMN EDUCATION AND GET OFF MY TAX TEAT!

Well I’d love to get an education, but getting a degree costs money which I don’t have, because I don’t have an education and therefore no good job and, oh, by the way tuition has been skyrocketing and educational loan assistance has been scalped.

POORS SHOULD STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT GETTING INTO MASSIVE STUDENT DEBT WHICH WAS TOTALLY OPTIONAL AND GET OFF MY TAX TEAT!

I can’t even imagine what it must be like to be so goddamn stupid that this worldview makes sense. What the world must look like to someone so profoundly moronic.

254 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:51:23am

Off to lunch.

255 Gus  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:51:49am

re: #251 Bulworth

He seems nice….

DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO!!!!!!!!?????? //

256 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:52:35am

re: #253 GunstarGreen

POORS SHOULD GET A DAMN JOB AND GET OFF MY TAX TEAT!

Well I’d love to get a job, but I don’t have a degree and you sort of need degrees to do more than flip burgers these days…

POORS SHOULD STOP BEING LAZY AND GET A DAMN EDUCATION AND GET OFF MY TAX TEAT!

Well I’d love to get an education, but getting a degree costs money which I don’t have, because I don’t have an education and therefore no good job and, oh, by the way tuition has been skyrocketing and educational loan assistance has been scalped.

POORS SHOULD STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT GETTING INTO MASSIVE STUDENT DEBT WHICH WAS TOTALLY OPTIONAL AND GET OFF MY TAX TEAT!

I can’t even imagine what it must be like to be so goddamn stupid that this worldview makes sense. What the world must look like to someone so profoundly moronic.

WHY DON’T THEY JUST GO GALT ALREADY. GO LIVE IN A GULCH.

257 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:52:49am

Compassionate conservatism at work:

258 sagehen  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:54:08am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

When I graduated in 1986, I owed $5000 in student loans (paid back within 1 year). Today it’s not unusual to owe $50,000.

When I went to a highly selective, top-ranked, super-expensive private college, a year’s tuition was 3200 times the minimum wage.

Minimum wage has tripled since then; tuition at top-tier colleges is more than 6x.

(and I never had to work for minimum once I came of age — those were the days when fast typing and knowledge of a couple word processing programs was a highly marketable skill, temp agencies would give me as much or a little work as I wanted, for triple minimum wage during the day and more than twice that if I asked for overnight shifts).

259 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:54:20am
260 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:55:31am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

Student loan debt has surprised both auto debt and credit card debt.

motherjones.com

261 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:57:04am

re: #80 GunstarGreen

Spoiler alert: the private sector is ‘more efficient’ than the government only to the extent that the private sector isn’t required to disclose their various and sundry fuck-ups.

Efficiency may or may not be a good thing. The Holocaust was very efficient. People can’t be murdered on industrial scale otherwise.

On top of that efficiency is not the same thing as effectiveness. An activity can be quite efficient and utterly useless.

We Westerners get the meanings of our words screwed up all the time.

262 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:57:36am

re: #257 lawhawk

#GodBlessAmerica
#Wheresyourflagpin

263 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:59:11am

re: #260 Justanotherhuman

Student loan debt has surprised both auto debt and credit card debt.

motherjones.com

I think you mean surpassed, not surprised.

Student loan debt is anything but surprising. The entire collegiate system is designed to bilk students out of as much money as possible while they’re still too young to know any better, or too desperate for an education to care. Textbooks are widely known scams and ripoffs that make ‘new editions’ that just shift the chapter order, but nobody does anything about it. When I was going through school, I took a four-year plan and did it in four years — despite the school’s academic advisors spending four fucking years trying to tell me how SUPER HARD AND IMPOSSIBLE it was to do it in four and I REALLY REALLY SHOULD CONSIDER doing it in five — all in an attempt to rob me of another year’s tuition and fees.

I graduated with honors. They had access to my GPA at all times. /spit.

264 twisty  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:00:10am

re: #257 lawhawk

That #caring tag sure is a fun ride. When the line between genuine opinion and self-parody doesn’t even exist anymore.

265 gwangung  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:00:14am

re: #242 lawhawk

What are the odds that she too benefited from student loans, but now can’t be bothered by the fact that tuition costs have skyrocketed and more students need loans to get basic college education (not even starting on the costs for grad school - necessary for being a doctor, lawyer, and some other professions).

Thing is that the student loan mess in Congress doesn’t address the fact that tuition has risen faster than most everything else, including health care at the same time as states have cut back their state-support funding. That means that the costs keep increasing for tuition, and the students have to shoulder even higher costs.

Having a college education is essential for many jobs in the country, and pushing the costs to these heights means that more people wont be able to get their chance to break into the middle class or beyond.

Higher tuition costs and higher loans mean more students can’t get college education, which means more jobs go unfilled.

Clear sign of eating your own seed corn. STUPID thinking.

266 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:01:21am

HE’S REFERRING TO FETUSES, NOT TEH POORS. FUCK TEH POORS.

267 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:02:03am

re: #247 Gus

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Ah, Louis Farrakhan.

I can only imagine the RW’ers going absolutely apeshit if they heard that. Of course, he offers a way out for RWNJ’s/white devils: convert to Islam, and become a true human being.

I wonder what Sean Hannity would have to say? Or Ann Coulter? Heh.

268 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:02:22am

Good, can we now quit hearing about this guy?

269 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:02:40am

re: #266 Vicious Babushka

Also, too: CEO’s. //

270 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:02:51am

re: #266 Vicious Babushka

HE’S REFERRING TO FETUSES, NOT TEH POORS. FUCK TEH POORS.

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If you’re going to say Fuck the Poor, you must do it in your best Mel Brooks voice.

Youtube Video

271 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:02:59am

re: #156 geoffm33

Fresh ground coffee + inverted aeropress + ice cubes + glass with a brontosaurus on it = awesome.

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Coffee should never be orange.

272 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:03:50am

re: #270 lawhawk

If you’re going to say Fuck the Poor, you must do it in your best Mel Brooks voice.

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THEY STINK ON ICE!

273 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:05:18am

re: #89 Vicious Babushka

POORS!

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I wrote a story years ago. At the start the male protagonist sets up a $5 million trust fund. One piece of feedback castigated me for such a trivially small amount of money.

I wrote back pointing out that $5 million would take over half a millennium to gather on my disability.

It’s all a matter of perspective.

274 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:05:25am

Kid is going to community college for the first two years to get his gen eds. Cost: $1300 a sem. + $400 books + gas.

I simply cannot understand the value of paying (in some cases) $50K a year for gen eds.

275 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:06:51am

re: #274 FemNaziBitch

Kid is going to community college for the first two years to get his gen eds. Cost: $1300 a sem. + $400 books + gas.

I simply cannot understand the value of paying (in some cases) $50K a year for gen eds.

My son went to community college 10 years ago, the cost was like $130/sem.

276 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:07:22am
277 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:07:29am

re: #274 FemNaziBitch

Kid is going to community college for the first two years to get his gen eds. Cost: $1300 a sem. + $400 books + gas.

I simply cannot understand the value of paying (in some cases) $50K a year for gen eds.

Poors (a.k.a. Normal, everyday people) trying to feel like part of the American Aristocracy by paying out the nose for reputation alone.

279 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:08:21am

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

Allen West: No One Ever Followed Me In A Mall Or Clutched Their Bag When I Got On The Elevator

Because he would have war-crimed their asses to death.

280 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:09:41am

re: #274 FemNaziBitch

Kid is going to community college for the first two years to get his gen eds. Cost: $1300 a sem. + $400 books + gas.

I simply cannot understand the value of paying (in some cases) $50K a year for gen eds.

The new strategy is to find a good CC and then transfer in to a high quality university because where you finish is more important than where you start with employers. So, if you do your two years at BMCC and transfer to NYU, it’s the NYU that sticks with employers - but you’ve saved about $100k in the process since NYU is now running about $50k a year. That $100k can then go towards either graduate school or being able to afford other things faster - like cars, houses, etc., and skipping the debt is a good thing.

281 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:09:50am
282 Lidane  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:09:58am

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

Allen West: No One Ever Followed Me In A Mall Or Clutched Their Bag When I Got On The Elevator

A war criminal says what?

Denial, thy name is Allen West. Just because he might not have noticed being profiled doesn’t mean it never happened. He’s not a special snowflake.

283 allegro  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:10:13am

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

Allen West: No One Ever Followed Me In A Mall Or Clutched Their Bag When I Got On The Elevator

So now we know he’s oblivious to his surroundings. Narcissism will do that.

284 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:10:34am
285 geoffm33  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:11:10am

re: #271 Single-handed sailor

Coffee should never be orange.

Haha! Must’ve been the iPhone/Twitter photo auto-enhance. It’s a nice brown, just a little cream.

286 Kid A  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:13:36am
287 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:14:53am

re: #286 Kid A

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If Conservatives don’t accept that women are human beings, they are doomed

288 twisty  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:15:07am

re: #286 Kid A

Sigh. Yes, how DO you communicate with those mysterious, alien creatures?

289 allegro  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:15:31am

re: #286 Kid A

Embracing the premise that women are sentient adults would be a great start.

I know…

290 Kragar  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:15:44am

French Lawmaker Defends Against ‘Maybe Hitler Didn’t Kill Enough’ Gypsies Comment

A French lawmaker is defending himself against accusations that he told a group of Gypsies he wished the Nazis had killed more members of the minority during World War II.

Gilles Bourdouleix, a member of parliament and mayor for the town of Cholet near Nantes, had a confrontation with Gypsies on Sunday, when he visited a field owned by the town where Gypsies are illegally living in caravans. He asked them to leave.

The Courrier de l’Ouest newspaper, which had a journalist at the scene, reported that some of the Gypsies made Nazi salutes at Bourdouleix and that he responded by saying: “Maybe Hitler didn’t kill enough of them.” On Monday, the paper released a recording on its website where the lawmaker can be heard saying that.

291 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:16:30am

re: #263 GunstarGreen

Duh!

292 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:16:33am

re: #280 lawhawk

The new strategy is to find a good CC and then transfer in to a high quality university because where you finish is more important than where you start with employers. So, if you do your two years at BMCC and transfer to NYU, it’s the NYU that sticks with employers - but you’ve saved about $100k in the process since NYU is now running about $50k a year. That $100k can then go towards either graduate school or being able to afford other things faster - like cars, houses, etc., and skipping the debt is a good thing.

Debt really is the life-killer. The biggest secret of the American Royalty and their path to prosperity is that they actually pay a lot less for many things than most people do. The interest on loans, even at good rates, absolutely kills you on value. Get a $70k home loan at 4%? If you let that thing amortize over the full 30 year term, you’ll have paid double what that house was worth by the time you write that last mortgage check.

The lender, meanwhile, just got a free house (in terms of monetary value) for doing absolutely no work except lending you the money up-front. This is WHY the financial sector is the center of wealth in this nation — a bunch of already-wealthy people making scads MORE money by robbing everyone below them on interest.

The single best thing you can do for your financial well-being is to eliminate debt as quickly as possible and refuse to take on any more than is absolutely necessary.

293 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:18:00am
294 Wile E. Wonka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:18:49am

re: #236 Bulworth

quintille is like quintile but with more tiles.

Or like a quadrille but with more lobsters.

295 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:19:00am

re: #287 FemNaziBitch


Yet women make a fraction of what men do for the same job offerings. Does that sound equal to you? If it does, then your math skills are like your geography skills.

296 piratedan  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:20:00am

re: #293 lawhawk

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doesn’t take into effect the little known “Royalty discount”, it’s like USAA insurance ///

297 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:22:48am

re: #292 GunstarGreen

Banks lending money isn’t a problem. That’s critical to long term growth, but when they make billions on all manner of fees and charges, while essentially making you pay to use your own money (ATM fees, cashier fees, minimum balance fees, overdraft fees, etc.), that’s a big problem.

I get what you’re saying about loans - and getting out of debt is a big thing for most households, but most people can’t afford to buy homes or cars outright. So, loans have a value there. And banks have to balance the good borrowers with their rate of defaulters, but it still favors the banks in the long run.

It’s always cheaper to borrow when you don’t need the money (if you’re rich you generally have good credit) than if you need the money (you’re poor and have no choice but to borrow and your credit is worse).

298 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:23:03am
The new research suggests that only a small minority of rapists are sexual renegades driven by sadistic fantasies or hatred of women, and that far more common are men with a normal sexual orientation who rape impulsively as the opportunity presents itself, often while on a date.”

also Paged

299 twisty  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:23:32am

re: #286 Kid A

Also, notice how it’s always “how to talk to” not “how to understand.” They keep running around in circles thinking the only problem is with their presentation, not their message itself. Surely our entire product can’t be repugnant, we’re just not selling it right! They cannot comprehend it and think people only vote D to get gifts. Try again friends!

300 Gus  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:23:46am
301 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:26:10am

re: #299 twisty

Also, notice how it’s always “how to talk to” not “how to understand.” They keep running around in circles thinking the only problem is with their presentation, not their message itself. Surely our entire product can’t be repugnant, we’re just not selling it right! They cannot comprehend it and think people only vote D to get gifts. Try again friends!

The Republican Party pretty much practices what it preaches in the regards of running everything just like you run a business. And just like most modern business, their focus is not on making a product that people actually want, it’s on making a marketing campaign to sell this piece of shit that nobody wants.

302 Kragar  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:27:36am

Christian ‘prophet’: I don’t want disasters to punish U.S. for same sex marriage but I’m ‘reporting’

Self-styled “Christian prophet” Cindy Jacobs said on Monday that the wrath of God is coming to the United States because of recent Supreme Court decisions about same sex marriage. Right Wing Watch reported that Jacobs was talking with televangelist Jim Bakker when she described an urgent warning she received from God.

“Recently in the United States we’ve had these Supreme Court decisions that are against biblical marriage,” Jacobs said. “and the Lord said to me, ‘duck your head, duck your head.’ I said, ‘Oh God, duck my head?’”

The Holy Father, she said, will “mark” believers — as long as they are giving at least 10 percent of their income to the church — and save them from a series of natural disasters that Jacobs described as “a whole lotta shakin’ getting ready to happen.”

“We have displeased the Lord and the earth is going to answer,” she insisted, intimating that God is going to punish the U.S. in the form of natural disasters.

Yeah, because we know that we only suffer natural disasters because of gay people. That’s science.
/

303 darthstar  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:28:01am
304 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:29:46am

re: #295 lawhawk

Most women aren’t talentless, ignorant grifters, either, paid for stupidity and blasting out talking points someone else wrote for her equally ignorant followers. Idiot can’t even get her own daughters into 4 yr schools because they couldn’t hack it even if she paid for it. She just teaches them to grift, lie, cheat, and jump over others with real skills and talent, and those who actually have to work for a living.

305 Wile E. Wonka  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:31:03am

re: #302 Kragar

Christian ‘prophet’: I don’t want disasters to punish U.S. for same sex marriage but I’m ‘reporting’

Yeah, because we know that we only suffer natural disasters because of gay people. That’s science.
/

Let me guess: as a result of Teh Ghey bringing us closer to Hell, even the Earth’s ambient temperature will rise?
/

306 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:31:25am

re: #302 Kragar

Christian ‘prophet’: I don’t want disasters to punish U.S. for same sex marriage but I’m ‘reporting’

Yeah, because we know that we only suffer natural disasters because of gay people. That’s science.
/

Prophet? Really?

Moses, Buddha, Zoraster, Elijah, Jesus, Mohammad, Lao Tze…..

….and Cindy.

307 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:32:36am

re: #295 lawhawk

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Yet women make a fraction of what men do for the same job offerings. Does that sound equal to you? If it does, then your math skills are like your geography skills.

I dunno, like minimum wage laws, I ask: Why were the laws instituted in the first place?

MAYBE THEY WERE NEEDED?

308 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:36:00am

re: #303 darthstar

Oh, that ought to be good. If he’s involved with the FSB, let’s see how long he lasts. At any rate, he won’t be able to move around freely.

309 Lidane  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:37:26am
310 Lidane  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:38:53am
311 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:40:14am

re: #277 GunstarGreen

I think there’s two different things at work here. One, there is a stigma attached to anything but a 4 yr degree from a school that’s been around forever, not just the Ivies, but University of (insert State here) too. It’s not good enough to go anywhere else, it’s for “blue collar” work, etc. Second, there are also more than a few shady online and for profit schools out there that produce mixed results at best( University of Phoenix, DeVry, Art Institute, etc). Those schools also cost a fortune, I’m going to guess that more than a small percentage of student loan debt is from (for example) schools like the Art Institute, some of those programs run between 70-90 K. So it’s not all the fancy shmancy universities that cost big bucks.

Anyone who doesn’t get this hasn’t tried to go to school in the last 5-10 years or find something for their kid. It’s a pain in the ass system and heaven help you if you make the wrong choice.

I swear, the lack of Empathy in this country is reaching psychopathic proportions.

312 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:43:23am

re: #274 FemNaziBitch

Kid is going to community college for the first two years to get his gen eds. Cost: $1300 a sem. + $400 books + gas.

I simply cannot understand the value of paying (in some cases) $50K a year for gen eds.

College name on resume = part of aristocracy. It’s part and parcel with the attractiveness for having “gucci” on clothing and accessories, or other name brands. In some cases you literally are paying for much higher quality, in other cases you are simply giving out dollars for a name that really does not signify that it is any better quality than goods from another location.

And part of the name schools, especially for males, was getting the social connections that eventually got you to be part of the OBN. And *that* was the real key to getting ahead in business.

313 Kid A  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:44:46am
314 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:47:27am

re: #307 FemNaziBitch

I dunno, like minimum wage laws, I ask: Why were the laws instituted in the first place?

MAYBE THEY WERE NEEDED?

Famed socialist sez:

‘It is a national evil that any class of Her Majesty’s subjects should receive less than a living wage in return for their utmost exertions… where you have what we call sweated trades, you have no organisation, no parity of bargaining, the good employer is undercut by the bad and the bad by the worst; the worker, whose whole livelihood depends upon the industry, is undersold by the worker who only takes up the trade as a second string… where these conditions prevail you have not a condition of progress, but a condition of progressive degeneration.’

Winston Churchill MP in 1906, during debates on the Trade Boards Act 1909

315 sagehen  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 10:48:34am

re: #270 lawhawk

If you’re going to say Fuck the Poor, you must do it in your best Mel Brooks voice.

[Embedded content]

or Jello Biafra’s voice:

Youtube Video

316 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 11:20:46am

re: #152 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You also have the example of other countries, where the compensation for CEOs is much, much lower, and yet those companies compete with ours successfully. So it’s really, really obviously just a cultural thing here in the US.

As I’ve pointed out before, this is based on a two part delusion.

The first part is that upper management of large corporations are capitalists. The second is that all capitalists are rich.

The first is not true. They are employees, executive employees, but employees nonetheless. The second is also not true. Most capitalists are quite happy to make a living. A lot go bust.

A life based on delusion is sure to fail.

317 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Jul 23, 2013 12:57:08pm

re: #302 Kragar

the Lord said to me, ‘duck your head, duck your head.’ I said, ‘Oh God, duck my head?’”
/

And the Lord said, “Yes. And here’s the bucket of water I want you to do it in.”


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