The Bob & Chez Show: Woody Johnson’s Apparatus

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob & Chez Show (with bonus shout-outs to LGF):

Woody Johnson’s Apparatus: Trump Accuses Hillary of Fighting a War on Women; Roger Stone on Alex Jones; Trump Invokes Vince Foster Conspiracy Theory; Trump Does or Doesn’t Think There Should be Guns in Schools; Haley Barbour Doesn’t Know if the Clintons Are Murderers; The GOP’s Plan to Overhaul Their Primaries; Open vs Closed Primaries; Chewbacca Mom; and more.

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253 comments
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teleskiguy  May 24, 2016 • 9:43:28pm
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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2016 • 9:54:29pm

I love Chewbacca Mom & am extremely happy she’s receiving the joy she gave.

This is the good internet.

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teleskiguy  May 24, 2016 • 10:01:09pm

She doesn’t mince words here.

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Lidane  May 24, 2016 • 10:10:31pm
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SoundGuy 2016  May 24, 2016 • 10:45:53pm

I’d vote for Warren way before Bernie.

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CuriousLurker  May 24, 2016 • 11:00:24pm

Drive-by for the preemptive blockers: @antony_palmer (racist, antisemite)

Over & out.

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teleskiguy  May 24, 2016 • 11:36:18pm

National Review are shitting their pants.

Dark_Falcon. What’s the story with you?

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Ace-o-aces  May 25, 2016 • 12:05:22am
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goddamnedfrank  May 25, 2016 • 12:37:48am
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teleskiguy  May 25, 2016 • 12:42:55am

This goddamned song.

“Gone For Good” by Umphrey’s McGee

MP3 Audio

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Shiplord Kirel  May 25, 2016 • 1:32:11am

re: #7 teleskiguy

National Review are shitting their pants.

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Dark_Falcon. What’s the story with you?

Hee hee: “Trump’s ragged coalition of working-class white voters and Vichy Republicans.”

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Single-handed sailor  May 25, 2016 • 1:42:29am

I seem to be too stupid to understand RCP’s general election polling. Their poll data ends 5/19, yet they project the poll out to 5/21. On 5/19 Clinton leads by 3.1 points, on 5/21 trump leads by 0.2 points. I see no data to account for that in their database. Could somebody with a higher IQ explain to me? I really can’t understand the extrapolation to 5/21.

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teleskiguy  May 25, 2016 • 1:44:30am

re: #11 Shiplord Kirel

Unbelievable. Just absolutely fuckin’ unbelievable.

Thanks for pointing this out. I guess we’ll call it an ‘easter egg’. I remember it!

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Alyosha  May 25, 2016 • 1:46:18am

re: #3 teleskiguy

Righteous! Warren is a damn strong speaker, and would make for a formidable presidential candidate someday.
I also noticed her expansion on the Obama “you didn’t build that” theme. With full context it’s an expression of dedication to the foundations of civilization itself. Bravo!

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Timothy Watson  May 25, 2016 • 1:51:21am

Nothing to see here folks! Move along!

The Federal Election Commission won’t pursue a case against Ohio coal company Murray Energy despite agency attorneys finding “compelling” evidence that employees were coerced to contribute to Republican political candidates, including 2012 presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

Commissioners deadlocked 3-3 over whether to pursue an investigation against the Pepper Pike mining company and its owner Robert E. Murray.

Murray could have faced financial penalties.

“Available documentation clearly demonstrate that there is reason to believe that the respondents committed serious violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act,” the three commissioners who wanted to investigate wrote in a joint statement.

Company leaders threatened employees with financial reprisals including the loss of their jobs if they failed to contribute, noted the three: Vice Chairman Steven T. Walther, Ann M. Ravel and Ellen L. Weintraub, all Democrats.

powersource.post-gazette.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 25, 2016 • 1:53:30am

re: #1 teleskiguy

Steve Martin, 1969

He has such big hands…

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Ming5000  May 25, 2016 • 2:05:42am

re: #3 teleskiguy

She doesn’t mince words here.

She does a great job there. 10 min. Direct, held my interest, substantive.

I can listen to most Democrat’s speeches.
I cannot tolerate GOPer’s speeches. Their speeches are filled with hollowed out and perverted platitudes such as: “Freedom”, “Constitution”, and “Common Sense”. Oh, and “God”.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 25, 2016 • 2:06:12am

re: #16 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He has such big hands…

But he would never juggle cats with them….

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Ming5000  May 25, 2016 • 2:23:58am

Some speeches contain these hollowed out platitudes (not perverted though): “Wall Street”, “Billionaires”, and “Free College!”.

Also found this list of most mentioned phrases in speeches from HRC and Bernie. It is a quick and interesting look.


From 538
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goddamnedfrank  May 25, 2016 • 2:29:25am

re: #12 Single-handed sailor

I seem to be too stupid to understand RCP’s general election polling. Their poll data ends 5/19, yet they project the poll out to 5/21. On 5/19 Clinton leads by 3.1 points, on 5/21 trump leads by 0.2 points. I see no data to account for that in their database. Could somebody with a higher IQ explain to me? I really can’t understand the extrapolation to 5/21.

RCP is incredibly deceptive about their polling average. I’ve caught them several times selectively not including polls that would blow their average, dropping polls that should otherwise be inside the current range and/or including highly biased Fox, Rasmussen and Gravis polls long after they would drop any other poll. The only consistent thing about their methodology is that they like to sell the horserace and give Republicans a boost whenever possible.

Also even if they weren’t flagrantly gaming their results, RCP uses middle school level mathematics at best, calculating simple averages. Contrast this to places like 538 , Sam Wang’s Princeton Election Consortium who use real high level statistical analysis models and I don’t understand why anybody goes to RCP at all anymore.

Elections scholar Christopher Wlezien very kindly sent me the data that he and Robert Erikson used to construct the graphs in The Timeline Of Presidential Elections: 1952-2008. Adding in 2012 data, I took time series from 16 Presidential campaigns and calculated the standard deviation of the total movement as a function of time. This is a measure of uncertainty about November based on polls for a given day. This graph shows the ±1 standard deviation interval in red:

…

Now look at later dates: the gray curves converge. Consequently, the standard deviation declines, and reaches a local minimum at 270 days before the election, in mid-February- close to the start of primary season. So before the primaries start, February is a time when national polls tell us a fair amount about the final outcome.

But wait! After that, the standard deviation creeps upward. The election is 169 days from now, and in about a week the standard deviation hits its maximum value for 2016. Truly, now is the single worst time to be paying attention to fresh polling data. I don’t know why this is. It could be because typically, one or both parties are still going through an active nomination contest - as Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are doing now.

Amusingly, national polls won’t reach their February levels of accuracy until August. The Clinton-Trump margin in February was Clinton +5.0%. So how about if we just use that until after the conventions. Can you wait?

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Timothy Watson  May 25, 2016 • 3:08:42am

My shocked face:

House Speaker Paul Ryan is reportedly poised to endorse Donald Trump for president, CBS News and ABC News report.

An endorsement by Ryan is likely to be seen as a sign the GOP is uniting after its divisive primary.

It is not clear when the endorsement will take place, according to ABC News.

CBS News reports the endorsement will come Wednesday.

wtop.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 25, 2016 • 3:15:15am

re: #21 Timothy Watson

My shocked face:

wtop.com

I’m shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

Giphy

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Targetpractice  May 25, 2016 • 3:21:11am

So another post-caucus primary happens and Clinton wins when Sanders dominated the caucus months ago. Thus providing further proof that when you actually put the vote to “the people,” odds are Sanders is going to lose.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 25, 2016 • 3:42:09am

re: #23 Targetpractice

So another post-caucus primary happens and Clinton wins when Sanders dominated the caucus months ago. Thus providing further proof that when you actually put the vote to “the people,” odds are Sanders is going to lose.

He won the caucus by 45.6 points and is losing the primary by 7.2. That’s a 52.8-point difference.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 25, 2016 • 3:45:21am

And I can’t help noticing…everybody knows turnout was low, but in Columbia County to name one, 13 people apparently showed up.

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Brian J.  May 25, 2016 • 4:40:46am

re: #24 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He won the caucus by 45.6 points and is losing the primary by 7.2. That’s a 52.8-point difference.

That same difference would have resulted in Clinton winning the hypothetical primaries in Maine, Minnesota, Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming, and Hawaii, along with blowout victories in Iowa and Nevada. Sanders would hang on by single-digit margins in Utah, Idaho, and Alaska.

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Targetpractice  May 25, 2016 • 4:44:03am

re: #26 Brian J.

That same difference would have resulted in Clinton winning the hypothetical primaries in Maine, Minnesota, Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming, and Hawaii, along with blowout victories in Iowa and Nevada. Sanders would hang on by single-digit margins in Utah, Idaho, and Alaska.

Yet he only wants to talk about closed primaries and how they need to be changed. Odd that…

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Brian J.  May 25, 2016 • 4:45:25am

re: #27 Targetpractice

Yet he only wants to talk about closed primaries and how they need to be changed. Odd that…

And that red-state results don’t count because something something Confederate something “those people.” (Washington isn’t the most diverse of states, either.)

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Targetpractice  May 25, 2016 • 5:03:04am

Sanders bitches up a storm about how “millions” were kept from voting in New York, but is totally silent when his “huge” caucus victories are overturned by primaries months later.

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Alyosha  May 25, 2016 • 5:36:14am

re: #29 Targetpractice

In primaries that don’t even fucking count.

That’s actually a very reassuring fact. Good voter enthusiasm.

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ChuckJager95  May 25, 2016 • 5:43:42am
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Buyers Remorse  May 25, 2016 • 5:45:52am

After two month’s Bubba is finally out of rehab.

Bubba is back, running, playing and getting belly rubs after detoxing from drugs at OC Animal Care.

Police found Bubba with his owner in a Tustin motel room in March. Test showed the terrier mix was high on heroin and methamphetamine.

Officers arrested Joshua West for drug possession and animal cruelty.

Hopefully the previous owner is getting the help he needs, but I doubt it.

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Dave In Austin  May 25, 2016 • 5:57:39am
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Decatur Deb  May 25, 2016 • 5:57:59am

re: #12 Single-handed sailor

I seem to be too stupid to understand RCP’s general election polling. Their poll data ends 5/19, yet they project the poll out to 5/21. On 5/19 Clinton leads by 3.1 points, on 5/21 trump leads by 0.2 points. I see no data to account for that in their database. Could somebody with a higher IQ explain to me? I really can’t understand the extrapolation to 5/21.

It’s cherry-picked by inclusion and exclusion. Changes occur because of polls they drop from the short-term aggregate. RCP should get skewed.

(Note the mix of RV and LV polls.)

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 6:03:41am

re: #20 goddamnedfrank

Indeed, they are deceptive and want a horse race, but they also aggregate a bunch of polling so it becomes a one-stop shop. Better than no information at all.

Still, for those worried about how November will shake out, consider this from Sam Wang: Trump is making the Deep South and Utah competitive. He’s got Hillary with a solid 262 delegates off the bat, with battleground states in the most unlikely of places.

In other words, Hillary’s got this.

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Decatur Deb  May 25, 2016 • 6:05:39am

re: #34 Decatur Deb

It’s cherry-picked by inclusion and exclusion. Changes occur because of polls they drop from the short-term aggregate. RCP should get skewed.

(Note the mix of RV and LV polls.)

Ah. Reading the thread, I see that others have answered in more detail.

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Anymouse  May 25, 2016 • 6:14:59am

re: #35 lawhawk

I would like to see my state (NE) flip blue. We did provide an electoral vote to President Obama in the last election.

Of course, that happens (and Clinton’s got this) only if we turn out to vote.

The fascist talking yam needs to be handed an electoral defeat like Alf Landon.

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 6:16:27am

re: #37 Anymouse

Fascist talking yam.

Now that’s a great band name. And a good description of the lout Trump.

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Targetpractice  May 25, 2016 • 6:16:29am

re: #35 lawhawk

Indeed, they are deceptive and want a horse race, but they also aggregate a bunch of polling so it becomes a one-stop shop. Better than no information at all.

Still, for those worried about how November will shake out, consider this from Sam Wang: Trump is making the Deep South and Utah competitive. He’s got Hillary with a solid 262 delegates off the bat, with battleground states in the most unlikely of places.

In other words, Hillary’s got this.

Yeah, the GOP’s gotta be hating him more and more with each new poll coming in. He’s raising the cost of election for them with each stupid comment out of his mouth or tweet from his fingers. He’s putting Georgia into play, for Christssake.

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Le Lapin Tueur  May 25, 2016 • 6:17:19am

re: #2 Stanley Sea

I love Chewbacca Mom & am extremely happy she’s receiving the joy she gave.

This is the good internet.

You’ve seen Kohl’s response to Chewbacca lady? It’s great. And, she gets even happier.

The Happiest Chewbacca - Kohl’s

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Dave In Austin  May 25, 2016 • 6:23:48am

Going forward, all my Trumptweets will be hashtagged #Bigbaby. Just because he is.

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Anymouse  May 25, 2016 • 6:32:58am

re: #38 lawhawk

It is not original with me; I got it from Wonkette.

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Dave In Austin  May 25, 2016 • 6:38:23am
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 25, 2016 • 6:38:27am

Anyone around here have a Green Egg Grill? My grill just burned out, and I’m thinking about investing in one. Possibly the Large size Egg.

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jeffreyw  May 25, 2016 • 6:40:35am

Imgur
Good morning!

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stpaulbear  May 25, 2016 • 6:42:16am

This op ed in the NYT is pretty accurate. There’s no way that I’m going to ask my Hillary-hating sister if she’s going to vote for Trump. She said he was a horrible choice when Cruz and Rubio were still in the race. I don’t want to know if she can bend her uber-christian outlook to justify supporting him now.

There are various measures of the chilling singularity of Trump’s candidacy, including the last two Republican presidents’ announcement that they won’t be attending their party’s convention, all the prominent G.O.P. donors who have publicly rejected Trump and the stubborn drumbeat among some Republicans for a third-party challenger, if only as a means to assure Hillary Clinton’s victory. These are extraordinary developments. We mustn’t forget that.

But another gauge of this freaky interlude is the number of us who are steadfastly avoiding conversations we’d normally have. We pride ourselves on not letting political arguments disrupt personal relationships. We have friends across the ideological spectrum. We esteem leaders from both parties. We value a healthy give-and-take.

But we can’t fit Trump into that. He’s a disagreement too far, an enthusiasm too bizarre. So we’re treading lightly and maneuvering around him. We’re Trumping on eggshells.

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Anymouse  May 25, 2016 • 6:46:26am

re: #46 stpaulbear

Well, you could ask her (if you want to go there) exactly what it is about Mrs. Clinton she doesn’t like. If she is open to hearing facts (rather than clinging to thirty years of derp shovelled out by the right), then you might open her up a bit.

On the other hand, if she is absolutely opposed to Trump and thinks Mrs. Clinton is just a bit too much, make sure you continue to inform her about Trump’s nuttery. If she doesn’t vote for him, that amounts to half a vote for Mrs. Clinton.

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Lidane  May 25, 2016 • 6:52:00am
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Ming5000  May 25, 2016 • 6:52:08am

re: #44 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Anyone around here have a Green Egg Grill? My grill just burned out, and I’m thinking about investing in one. Possibly the Large size Egg.

I don’t have a Green Egg. I think about getting one too, but my simple Weber seems to do it for me. I smoke in it too.

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Skip Intro  May 25, 2016 • 6:56:46am

re: #48 Lidane

Got to give credit to the WP. They’re doing the heavy lifting while the rest of the media is happy just getting Trumped.

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Targetpractice  May 25, 2016 • 6:58:08am

re: #48 Lidane

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I think I’ve mentioned the “serious” conservative I frequently converse with on another board. He was arguing a year ago that Martinez would be a front-runner, if not the GOP nominee, because the party would want a governor with “executive experience” and she would bring that and more to the ticket. Now he’s a Trump booster, arguing that Trump is such a great nominee because he “tells it like it is” and is the manifestation of “anti-establishment” sentiment amongst voters.

So now I have the opportunity to twist the knife a bit. Happy day.

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Timothy Watson  May 25, 2016 • 6:59:14am

re: #48 Lidane

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Yeah, that’s the breaking point for alarming Republicans.

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ObserverArt  May 25, 2016 • 7:00:08am

re: #49 Ming5000

I don’t have a Green Egg. I think about getting one too, but my simple Weber seems to do it for me. I smoke in it too.

Ahhh. Not allowed to smoke in the house I take it?

(Heh! Morning! I saw an opening for a morning joke…)

So, I understand things heated up a bit last night in Albuquerque NM. I guess that flies in the face of the GOPers who were thinking everything would settle down once Trump was the nominee. That seemed to be the thinking for their convention in Cleveland. I think last night sends a signal that Cleveland will be wild.

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freetoken  May 25, 2016 • 7:01:54am

re: #48 Lidane

That linked WaPo story, while interesting in itself, is trumped (!?) by the story WaPo tacks on at the end:

— Ken Starr — of Whitewater and Starr Report fame — has reportedly been fired as Baylor’s president and chancellor amid a widespread sexual assault scandal involving the Baptist school’s football team. The university released a statement last night saying the board of regents will not respond to rumors while it reviews a report from outside counsel. “We expect an announcement by June 3,” it added. More from Cindy Boren: “On Starr’s watch, the school is accused of failing to respond to rapes or sexual assaults reported by at least six women students from 2009-2016. Although the problem of sexual assault at the university goes beyond the football team, at least eight former Baylor football players have been accused of violence against women over the last eight years […]

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 25, 2016 • 7:04:48am

Of course King deleted the tweets so I can’t see what stupid shit he said.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 7:07:53am

sigh…

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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 7:09:02am

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh…

Much presidential very leadership.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 25, 2016 • 7:09:18am

re: #48 Lidane

It won’t alarm them. It’ll alert them to the fact there’s a “prominent latina” in Republican ranks and they’ll want her gone.

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Ming5000  May 25, 2016 • 7:09:38am

Hey everybody! EXPLOSIVE NEWS!

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ObserverArt  May 25, 2016 • 7:11:35am

re: #51 Targetpractice

I think I’ve mentioned the “serious” conservative I frequently converse with on another board. He was arguing a year ago that Martinez would be a front-runner, if not the GOP nominee, because the party would want a governor with “executive experience” and she would bring that and more to the ticket. Now he’s a Trump booster, arguing that Trump is such a great nominee because he “tells it like it is” and is the manifestation of “anti-establishment” sentiment amongst voters.

So now I have the opportunity to twist the knife a bit. Happy day.

I always like that “telling it like it is” bit when it comes to Trump. Do people really think about how many times Trump changes what he is “telling?” So, I guess “it” is a variable and everything is subject to change in the telling.

The people that say that must be fine with it, because you hear it all the time. Maybe it is just a cliche that really doesn’t mean anything at all.

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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 7:12:00am

re: #48 Lidane

Trump’s attacks on the GOP’s most prominent Latina, Susana Martinez, should alarm Republicans t.co
— Washington Post

Maybe Trump thinks she’s a Democrat? She is Latina after all. She might speak Spanish sometimes. Probably not even legal citizen.

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 7:12:08am

re: #59 Ming5000

Hey everybody! EXPLOSIVE NEWS!

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So explosive, we knew about this months ago, and we already know the facts.

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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 7:13:11am

re: #59 Ming5000

Hey everybody! EXPLOSIVE NEWS!

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BOGUS CHARGES!!!! COLLUDED!!!!!

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 25, 2016 • 7:14:00am

re: #44 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Anyone around here have a Green Egg Grill? My grill just burned out, and I’m thinking about investing in one. Possibly the Large size Egg.

I don’t but those kamado style cookers are great. I am expecting delivery of a Pit Barrel Cooker by the end of the week though. It’s a 33 gallon drum with a charcoal basket and rebar rods that you hang your food from with hooks. Its “only” $299 but made in the USA, and the company is run by a Veteran and his wife. You may want to give it a look.

pitbarrelcooker.com

You could also get a Weber gasser and still come out under the price of one BGE.

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Anymouse  May 25, 2016 • 7:14:25am

re: #62 Belafon

Colluded with, as in asked questions in an investigation and got responses that indicated a crime was committed against PP.

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Ming5000  May 25, 2016 • 7:15:34am

re: #62 Belafon

Those sites have almost daily findings of new conspiracies regarding the take down of Daleidian

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The Vicious Babushka  May 25, 2016 • 7:16:46am
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stpaulbear  May 25, 2016 • 7:17:04am

re: #47 Anymouse

Well, you could ask her (if you want to go there) exactly what it is about Mrs. Clinton she doesn’t like. If she is open to hearing facts (rather than clinging to thirty years of derp shovelled out by the right), then you might open her up a bit.

On the other hand, if she is absolutely opposed to Trump and thinks Mrs. Clinton is just a bit too much, make sure you continue to inform her about Trump’s nuttery. If she doesn’t vote for him, that amounts to half a vote for Mrs. Clinton.

Last time I so much as made a joke about Hillary and Trump, she stewed on it for a couple of days and then wrote me an outraged email asking me why I hate straight women so much. Her logic was that I was comparing Hillary to other straight women so I was showing my total contempt for all straight women by comparing them to the evil-and-going-to -hell Hillary. I’m not exaggerating, and she’s only gotten worse since then. She’s been a Bill (and Hillary) hater since the 90’s for every reason Fox news could create. Talking to her about politics is like lighting an M-80 to see what a burning fuse looks like.

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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 7:17:06am

re: #65 Anymouse

Colluded with, as in asked questions in an investigation and got responses that indicated a crime was committed against PP.

Yes, DA’s are not supposed to meet with or ask questions of victims.

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makeitstop  May 25, 2016 • 7:17:51am

re: #40 Le Lapin Tueur

You’ve seen Kohl’s response to Chewbacca lady? It’s great. And, she gets even happier.

[Embedded content]

Video

And the hilarity continues on the Late Late Show. I love this woman.

Chewbacca Mom Takes James Corden to Work

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Anymouse  May 25, 2016 • 7:18:45am

re: #68 stpaulbear

Last time I so much as made a joke about Hillary and Trump, she stewed on it for a couple of days and then wrote me an outraged email asking me why I hate straight women so much. Her logic was that I was comparing Hillary to other straight women so I was showing my total contempt for all straight women by comparing them to the evil-and-going-to -hell Hillary. I’m not exaggerating, and she’s only gotten worse since then. She’s been a Bill (and Hillary) hater since the 90’s for every reason Fox news could create. Talking to her about politics is like lighting an M-80 to see what a burning fuse looks like.

There are some you cannot talk to, and I am sorry to read that infests your own family. Another choice might be “The Brainwashing of My Dad.”

I gotta boogie; I need to take my wife to the dentist (we get to go into town! Eighty miles away… .)

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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 7:19:15am

re: #55 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Of course King deleted the tweets so I can’t see what stupid shit he said.

The Washington primary doesn’t matter because those were the rules but WHY DIDNT NEW YORK ALLOW INDEPENDENTS TO VOTE!???!??!??!

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 7:20:05am

this is all we’re going to be hearing about today:

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No Depression  May 25, 2016 • 7:22:41am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is all we’re going to be hearing about today:

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“other secretaries of state”

I bet that won’t get much airtime.

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 7:23:29am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is all we’re going to be hearing about today:

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Sec. State Clinton…. and others.

In other words, this was a problem systemic to the State Department well before Clinton took the job.

But it still isn’t a crime or criminality involved.

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 7:24:27am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is all we’re going to be hearing about today:

Except their emails were more secure than the ones stored on federal servers. :)

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Targetpractice  May 25, 2016 • 7:24:38am

re: #74 No Depression

“other secretaries of state”

I bet that won’t get much airtime.

Nope, because this report will get the whole “THE INDICTMENT IS COMING!!!” talk back into high gear. After all, if the State Dept says electronic communications were poorly managed, then obviously the FBI will conclude that such was a criminal act!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 7:24:49am
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ObserverArt  May 25, 2016 • 7:26:10am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is all we’re going to be hearing about today:

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I will wait to read the actual report when it is released. But you are right, this is going to be an indictment against Hillary before anyone gets to read the report. And since the AP has been strange lately with their take on things, I’m not even going to not take their quick summary seriously.

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Ming5000  May 25, 2016 • 7:27:08am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sounds like they were sent during #DrunkTweet

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Ming5000  May 25, 2016 • 7:29:28am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is all we’re going to be hearing about today:

Already dealt with quite adequately I think:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 7:30:33am

re: #81 Ming5000

Already dealt with quite adequately I think:

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NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!11!!!

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Alyosha  May 25, 2016 • 7:32:46am

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!11!!!

Clinton/Ashen Sackcloth 2016!

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stpaulbear  May 25, 2016 • 7:34:20am

re: #71 Anymouse

There are some you cannot talk to, and I am sorry to read that infests your own family. Another choice might be “The Brainwashing of My Dad.”

I gotta boogie; I need to take my wife to the dentist (we get to go into town! Eighty miles away… .)

When she initially accused me of hating all straight women, I thought she might be bummed about me insulting Hillary with my dumb joke. I wrote her back saying that I actually liked Hillary a lot and wanted her to be president. She wrote back telling me that Hillary was a criminal who should be in jail (only with many more words). She didn’t leave any point of entry for further discussion.

Her current thing is fighting transgender’s ability to use the bathroom because ‘God’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 7:35:49am

ah, yes, the extreme Bernie supporters on my twitter TL are already jumping on the AP story, and Politico has something that says Hillary and her top aides chose not to cooperate with the review.

All PROOFS that she’s a crook…
sigh.

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Jenner7  May 25, 2016 • 7:37:16am

Where’s HA’s Huffpost article screaming excitedly about Hillary’s coming indictment??

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 7:37:39am

HRC follows long list of other secretaries of state that didn’t follow proper procedures, but that doesn’t mean any criminality ensued.

The right wing will ignore all that, and her apologies for the email server and claim that there’s some conspiracy or criminality there.

SS/DD

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No Depression  May 25, 2016 • 7:37:59am

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

ah, yes, the extreme Bernie supporters on my twitter TL are already jumping on the AP story, and Politico has something that says Hillary and her top aides chose not to cooperate with the review.

All PROOFS that she’s a crook…
sigh.

If Hillary Clinton wins, it’s going to be an exhausting 4-8 years because every little thing she does is going to turn into a “scandal”.

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 7:38:34am
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Timothy Watson  May 25, 2016 • 7:38:40am

re: #88 No Depression

If Hillary Clinton wins, it’s going to be an exhausting 4-8 years because every little thing she does is going to turn into a “scandal”.

So, the exact same thing as the previous seven and a half years?

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ObserverArt  May 25, 2016 • 7:38:50am

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

ah, yes, the extreme Bernie supporters on my twitter TL are already jumping on the AP story, and Politico has something that says Hillary and her top aides chose not to cooperate with the review.

All PROOFS that she’s a crook…
sigh.

Everyone! Grab your pitchforks and get the rope…meet up in the town square at sundown. Bernie will be bringing Hillary. It’s on!

Twitter Mob Meet Up…

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 7:38:54am

re: #88 No Depression

If Hillary Clinton wins, it’s going to be an exhausting 4-8 years because every little thing she does is going to turn into a “scandal”.

I’m ready for it. Because Obama’s adopting a black dog was a scandal.

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 7:41:31am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is all we’re going to be hearing about today:

Thinking about the tweet, it would have been shorter for the AP to write “Clinton, Powell, Rice” than, “Clinton, other Secretaries of State”.

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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 7:42:10am

re: #84 stpaulbear

Ugh, so sorry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 7:42:29am

re: #93 Belafon

Thinking about the tweet, it would have been shorter for the AP to write “Clinton, Powell, Rice” than, “Clinton, other Secretaries of State”.

But that wouldn’t isolate the smear specifically to Hillary…

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ObserverArt  May 25, 2016 • 7:43:13am

re: #93 Belafon

Thinking about the tweet, it would have been shorter for the AP to write “Clinton, Powell, Rice” than, “Clinton, other Secretaries of State”.

Not if you want to sell red meat!

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No Depression  May 25, 2016 • 7:43:15am

re: #93 Belafon

Thinking about the tweet, it would have been shorter for the AP to write “Clinton, Powell, Rice” than, “Clinton, other Secretaries of State”.

WE MUST PROTECT THE NARRATIVE! FOR PROFIT!

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makeitstop  May 25, 2016 • 7:44:19am

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!11!!!

Yeah. IIRC, there were accusations here that she ‘hadn’t dealt with it,’ but a whole 10 seconds of teh Googles showed that she had and said accuser was simply ill-informed.

But in too many situations nowadays, ‘ill-informed’ appears to be the coin of the realm.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 7:45:06am

re: #98 makeitstop

Yeah. IIRC, there were accusations here that she ‘hadn’t dealt with it,’ but a whole 10 seconds of teh Googles showed that she had and said accuser was simply ill-informed.

But in too many situations nowadays, ‘ill-informed’ appears to be the coin of the realm.

they don’t need no stinking “facts”.

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danarchy  May 25, 2016 • 7:46:04am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is all we’re going to be hearing about today:

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Expect a fair mixing in of the Guccifer plea deal.

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 7:46:16am

From the Washington Post article:

The 86-page report reviews email practices by five secretaries of state and generally concludes that record keeping has been spotty for years.

It was particularly critical of former secretary of state Colin Powell — who has acknowledged publicly that he used his personal laptop to write emails — concluding that he too failed to follow department policy designed to comply with public-record laws.

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Timothy Watson  May 25, 2016 • 7:47:56am

re: #101 Belafon

From the Washington Post article:

Wouldn’t we love to know what was in Powell’s e-mails in the lead up to the Iraq War?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 7:48:19am
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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 7:49:25am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Can’t expect intellectual consistency from America’s Pravda.

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 7:54:09am

Here’s a DK diary about a blog somewhere else about a feminists view of Clinton. I thought this passage was particularly important (it’s in caps because the writer went from talking to yelling in text):

…THE DAY MY HUSBAND TOLD ME HE LIKED BERNIE, HE SAID, “I mean, how great is it to have a president who just doesn’t even care how his hair looks” AND I EXPLODED “DO YOU THINK THERE EXISTS A WORLD WHERE A WOMAN COULD EVEN CONSIDER THAT?”

…

AND THE THING IS—I LIKE BERNIE! EVERYONE LIKES BERNIE! BECAUSE CRAZY GRANDPA IS TOTALLY ELECTABLE BUT CRAZY GRANDMA NEVER COULD BE.

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 7:57:53am

re: #102 Timothy Watson

Wouldn’t we love to know what was in Powell’s e-mails in the lead up to the Iraq War?

It’d be nice, but they disappeared since he deleted reams of them.

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Timothy Watson  May 25, 2016 • 7:59:04am

re: #106 lawhawk

It’d be nice, but they disappeared since he deleted reams of them.

Yep, and the Office of the President used an RNC server to get around open records laws.

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 8:03:26am
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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 8:04:25am

re: #108 lawhawk

SMART!!! VERY BUSINESSY!!!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 25, 2016 • 8:05:02am

re: #108 lawhawk

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But…but…he says he’s got an amazing brain, okay? The best brain! Believe me, folks!

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withak  May 25, 2016 • 8:05:50am

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

But…but…he says he’s got an amazing brain, okay? The best brain! Believe me, folks!

This is the kind of stuff that will destroy Trump if the media covers it properly.

A big if, I know, but IMO this is the kind of stuff they should eat right up…

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 8:06:27am

re: #108 lawhawk

Why are we stooping to his level with these attacks?

//

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ObserverArt  May 25, 2016 • 8:08:48am

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

But…but…he says he’s got an amazing brain, okay? The best brain! Believe me, folks!

Pretty clear by now that everything Trump says is the exact opposite of what either happened or what should be.

He really IS America’s First Reality Show Presidential Candidate. And I trust him and his whole act being as real as a reality show.

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stpaulbear  May 25, 2016 • 8:09:10am

re: #52 Timothy Watson

Yeah, that’s the breaking point for alarming Republicans.

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Haven’t seen it, but apparently Morning Joe went off on Trump for his attack on Martinez. It’s not playing well.

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No Depression  May 25, 2016 • 8:11:27am

re: #111 withak

This is the kind of stuff that will destroy Trump if the media covers it properly.

A big if, I know, but IMO this is the kind of stuff they should eat right up…

Hillary’s team is just gonna need to make them cover it. Every time a new Trump scam is uncovered (it’ll happen at least once a week), have a high-profile surrogate needle him for it. Anything like that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 25, 2016 • 8:11:29am

re: #111 withak

This is the kind of stuff that will destroy Trump if the media covers it properly.

A big if, I know, but IMO this is the kind of stuff they should eat right up…

I wonder if the narrative is starting to change. Yesterday it was Jake Tapper calling bullshit on the Vince Foster thing. Today Chuck Todd points out that Trump used to defend the Clintons from every single attack he’s now making.

Todd goes on to suggest Clinton can attack Trump as ‘just another politician’ who’ll say anything to get elected. I’d suggest she add, “And he’s not even very good at it”, given how completely inconsistent he is.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 25, 2016 • 8:11:50am

“Free Market” wingnuts are having orgasms over the idea of child labor and sub-minimum wage==>

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Targetpractice  May 25, 2016 • 8:12:54am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

“Free Market” wingnuts are having orgasms over the idea of child labor and sub-minimum wage==>

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Yeah, because who doesn’t want to work two jobs just to make a mortgage payment?

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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 8:13:15am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

“Free Market” wingnuts are having orgasms over the idea of child labor and sub-minimum wage==>

If we could only just pay people dirt wages the economy would BOOM!!!!

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 8:13:24am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

“Free Market” wingnuts are having orgasms over the idea of child labor and sub-minimum wage==>

Please find me a first world country dependent on child labor.

Also, the only thing businesses would be recovering from is having to raise wages in a tightening labor market.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 25, 2016 • 8:14:47am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

“Free Market” wingnuts are having orgasms over the idea of child labor and sub-minimum wage==>

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 25, 2016 • 8:14:59am

re: #120 Belafon

Please find me a first world country dependent on child labor.

EXACTLY!! They could never compete with our underpaid children, because they have “standards”!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 8:17:15am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

“Free Market” wingnuts are having orgasms over the idea of child labor and sub-minimum wage==>

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Personally, I don’t know any kids who will work for $5/hour.
Not even for babysitting.

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 8:17:39am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

“Free Market” wingnuts are having orgasms over the idea of child labor and sub-minimum wage==>

This is the kind of person you just want to follow, and every time he/she gets a job, have them replaced with someone who will do the work just a little cheaper.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 25, 2016 • 8:18:08am

re: #114 stpaulbear

Haven’t seen it, but apparently Morning Joe went off on Trump for his attack on Martinez. It’s not playing well.

Hmmmm. Trump complained bitterly about the Media being ‘unfair’ to him while he was getting nothing but softball interviews. Imagine how he’ll react if the media actually do their jobs.

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Ace-o-aces  May 25, 2016 • 8:18:59am
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No Depression  May 25, 2016 • 8:20:43am

LOL!

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 25, 2016 • 8:21:07am

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

Personally, I don’t know any kids who will work for $5/hour.
Not even for babysitting.

I suspect it’s another case of wingnuts discounting 30+ years of inflation, like they do when they say, “Why don’t kids work their way through college like I did, waiting tables 10 hours a week?”, or “My first job only paid $1.60 an hour!”, as if that means something.

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 8:22:51am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

The Trump position is let the states decide. That would mean those states that have no minimum wage would be a race to the bottom - screwing their already screwed citizens out of a living wage. Not coincidentally, but those states without a minimum wage are in the South: LA, MS, AL, SC, and TN.

If the federal minimum wage is eliminated, the minimum wage in those states is zero.

That’s what Trump is for.

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ObserverArt  May 25, 2016 • 8:23:12am

re: #125 Blind Frog Belly White

Hmmmm. Trump complained bitterly about the Media being ‘unfair’ to him while he was getting nothing but softball interviews. Imagine how he’ll react if the media actually do their jobs.

His responses will be apocalyptic. I really do think at some point Trump will come undone and be seen for the ass he is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 25, 2016 • 8:23:49am

re: #129 lawhawk

The Trump position is let the states decide. That would mean those states that have no minimum wage would be a race to the bottom - screwing their already screwed citizens out of a living wage. Not coincidentally, but those states without a minimum wage are in the South: LA, MS, AL, SC, and TN.

If the federal minimum wage is eliminated, the minimum wage in those states is zero.

That’s what Trump is for.

And those states area all such economic POWERHOUSES!!!!
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 8:24:11am

re: #128 Blind Frog Belly White

I suspect it’s another case of wingnuts discounting 30+ years of inflation, like they do when they say, “Why don’t kids work their way through college like I did, waiting tables 10 hours a week?”, or “My first job only paid $1.60 an hour!”, as if that means something.

My first job, back in the 60s, was 35 cents an hour as a dishwasher in the restaurant where my mom worked as a waitress for 60 cents an hour.

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Timothy Watson  May 25, 2016 • 8:25:32am

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

“Free Market” wingnuts are having orgasms over the idea of child labor and sub-minimum wage==>

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Kids will get work and the adults can go fuck themselves.

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 8:27:25am

None of these people who advocate for lower wages ever think about who is actually going to buy the stuff produced.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 25, 2016 • 8:27:35am

re: #133 Timothy Watson

Kids will get work and the adults can go fuck themselves.

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Yep, that’s how it worked. It’s one reason organized labor wanted child labor abolished. Because you could pay them less to do the same job. So that’s what happened.

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ObserverArt  May 25, 2016 • 8:28:15am

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

My first job, back in the 60s, was 35 cents an hour as a dishwasher in the restaurant where my mom worked as a waitress for 60 cents an hour.

I made 2.70 an hour doing various maintenance work around a motel a few blocks from my high school a couple hours after school daily and half a day on Saturday. Pretty good money for a 16 year old in 1970.

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withak  May 25, 2016 • 8:30:14am

I made $4.25 an hour starting out in the late 90s as a grocery store cashier. I think that eventually rose to $7 by the time I “retired” from that job a couple years later.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 25, 2016 • 8:31:17am

re: #134 Belafon

None of these people who advocate for lower wages ever think about who is actually going to buy the stuff produced.

THEY will, in their fantasy, because there, there’s no change in their income, but everything costs less.

I had a discussion with a usually-reasonable friend, who said he thought a bit of deflation would be just fine. Then I asked him why he thought HIS salary would stay the same? He didn’t have an answer.

Then I pointed out that he’s already signed a mortgage which will have him paying a fixed number of dollars every month for 30 years, and how would he like it if he had to work longer for each of those dollars?

Everyone thinks it’ll happen to everyone else. Unless they actually think.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 25, 2016 • 8:31:43am

The next great wingnut idea will be to require people on govt assistance to work for NO PAY while receiving benefits.

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Timothy Watson  May 25, 2016 • 8:32:05am

Also:

What is the youth minimum wage?
The youth minimum wage is authorized by Section 6(g) of the FLSA, as amended by the 1996 FLSA Amendments. The law allows employers to pay employees under 20 years of age a lower wage for a limited period — 90 calendar days, not work days — after they are first employed. Any wage rate above $4.25 an hour may be paid to eligible workers during this 90-day period.

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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 8:32:44am

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

The next great wingnut idea will be to require people on govt assistance to work for NO PAY while receiving benefits.

Have we no chain gangs??? Are there no workhouses??

//

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 25, 2016 • 8:35:21am

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

The next great wingnut idea will be to require people on govt assistance to work for NO PAY while receiving benefits.

Yeah. Remember these are the same people who ‘jokingly’ argued they should be allowed to rape women whose contraception was paid for by the government.

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Lidane  May 25, 2016 • 8:35:43am

If you’ve seen Ant-Man, you’ll understand:

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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 8:36:35am

re: #127 No Depression

Why’s a lady in a #Chewbacca mask so popular but NOBODY watches a Video PROVING #God exists? t.co t.co
— Homunculus

Please step away from the Twitter, sir/ma’am.

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Mattand  May 25, 2016 • 8:39:23am

re: #141 Sir John Barron

Have we no chain gangs??? Are there no workhouses??

//

LOL, we do. They’re called “Businesses fighting minimum wage increases.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 8:40:28am

re: #100 danarchy

Expect a fair mixing in of the Guccifer plea deal.

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withak  May 25, 2016 • 8:41:55am

re: #127 No Depression

LOL!

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Didn’t watch the video, but that Twitter account just screams Poe’s Law.

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 8:41:57am
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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 8:42:55am

re: #137 withak

I made $4.25 an hour starting out in the late 90s as a grocery store cashier. I think that eventually rose to $7 by the time I “retired” from that job a couple years later.

I made 5.50 in the early 00’s doing similar work.

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Jenner7  May 25, 2016 • 8:43:01am

Hoping the FBI investigation wraps up soon. Need to get this behind her.

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withak  May 25, 2016 • 8:43:15am

Way, way, way OT:

Any fantasy football gurus in the house? My dynasty league’s rookie draft is ongoing and I haven’t had any time to do any research. My team is currently on the clock…

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Mattand  May 25, 2016 • 8:43:24am

re: #136 ObserverArt

I made 2.70 an hour doing various maintenance work around a motel a few blocks from my high school a couple hours after school daily and half a day on Saturday. Pretty good money for a 16 year old in 1970.

Christ. I made $3.35 an hour in 1984 working at a 7-Eleven and a Roy Rogers.

A 14 year period that saw the minimum wage increase by only $.60? Beginning to see the problem here.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 8:43:48am

re: #148 lawhawk

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Only has gone Dem once since 1980- Obama 2008 and it was close.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 8:45:28am

The problem re: minimum wage is conservatives think it’s okay to pay teens shitty wages because they’re teens and don’t “need” the money.

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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 8:48:39am

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

The next great wingnut idea will be to require people on govt assistance to work for NO PAY while receiving benefits.

Well, for certain people on gov assistance.

/

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Brian J.  May 25, 2016 • 8:48:59am

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Only has gone Dem once since 1980- Obama 2008 and it was close.

Margin’s a nearly exact match for 2012 (Romney by 2%). In 1992, Bill lost NC by just 20,000 votes or less than 1%.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 8:52:38am

re: #156 Brian J.

Margin’s a nearly exact match for 2012 (Romney by 2%). In 1992, Bill lost NC by just 20,000 votes or less than 1%.

Thanks. Had no idea 92 was close.

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Jenner7  May 25, 2016 • 8:57:35am

Okay, but hey, let’s talk about Hillary’s emails.

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 9:06:36am

re: #158 Jenner7

This isn’t tax avoidance (which is legal maneuvering/planning to reduce tax burden), but tax evasion, which is criminal.

The transaction described here appears to be a sham transaction. They characterized it one way, which would be subject to tax, only to recharacterize it as a loan, which would not be taxable.

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No Depression  May 25, 2016 • 9:15:28am

re: #159 lawhawk

This isn’t tax avoidance (which is legal maneuvering/planning to reduce tax burden), but tax evasion, which is criminal.

The transaction described here appears to be a sham transaction. They characterized it one way, which would be subject to tax, only to recharacterize it as a loan, which would not be taxable.

Do you think he could be held legally accountable for this?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 9:19:49am
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Timothy Watson  May 25, 2016 • 9:20:57am

More whining from free-loading RWNJs here in Virginia:

The Heritage Preservation Association argued its appeal against the city of Danville in the Virginia Supreme Court on Tuesday, hoping to persuade a panel of justices to agree to hear the case involving the Third National Flag of the Confederacy.

Kevin E. Martingayle, on behalf of the Heritage Preservation Association, told the panel’s three justices during a time-allotted 10-minute argument that the latest version of the state’s statute protects current monuments and memorials, including the flag that flew on the grounds of the Sutherlin Mansion.

Last August, the Danville City Council approved an ordinance that allows only the national, state, city and MIA/POW flags to be flown on city property, with Councilmen Fred Shanks and Buddy Rawley voting against the measure.

richmond.com

I got an amazing idea, if you want to put a flag up, buy a fucking flag pole yourself you mooching lazy-ass bums.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 9:23:15am

re: #162 Timothy Watson

More whining from free-loading RWNJs here in Virginia:

richmond.com

I got an amazing idea, if you want to put a flag up, buy a fucking flag pole yourself you mooching lazy-ass bums.

Really nothing’s stopping them from flying a CSA flag on their own property. There’s nothing gained by a state building flying the CSA flag.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 9:23:28am

re: #162 Timothy Watson

More whining from free-loading RWNJs here in Virginia:

richmond.com

I got an amazing idea, if you want to put a flag up, buy a fucking flag pole yourself you mooching lazy-ass bums.

We got crybabies here in Kentucky, too:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 9:24:37am
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wrenchwench  May 25, 2016 • 9:27:04am
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Is their zero broken?

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 9:28:02am

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

We got crybabies here in Kentucky, too:

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Do these idiots not realize that Kentucky stayed in the union? Honestly, I want to know what exactly it is about the CSA flag that’s so worth celebrating to them. Is it the poor farm boys that fought to preserve the way of life for a bunch of greedy and yes lazy planters, the generations of institutionalized racism in the former CSA states, the KKK? Really if they want to hang that flag on their own property, I can’t/won’t stop them but local governments should be perfectly free to tell the CSA flag it has no place on government property.

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 9:29:57am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Do these idiots not realize that Kentucky stayed in the union? Honestly, I want to know what exactly it is about the CSA flag that’s so worth celebrating to them. Is it the poor farm boys that fought to preserve the way of life for a bunch of greedy and yes lazy planters, the generations of institutionalized racism in the former CSA states, the KKK? Really if they want to hang that flag on their own property, I can’t/won’t stop them but local governments should be perfectly free to tell the CSA flag it has no place on government property.

It’s all about white people being superior for being white. That’s why you find it in places that fought against the south or even places that didn’t exist when the Civil War occurred.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 9:30:09am
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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 9:30:22am

re: #168 Belafon

It’s all about white people being superior for being white. That’s why you find it in places that fought against the south or even places that didn’t exist when the Civil War occurred.

Of course.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 9:30:44am

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump is the king of playing identity politics.

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wrenchwench  May 25, 2016 • 9:32:50am

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

[On CNN, Jeff Lord said it’s fine to attack @Gov_Martinez because she plays “identity politics.” Then said, “she’s an American not a Latina.”]

Identity politics: Ur doin it rong.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 9:33:18am

Also in Kentucky:

The Union Monument in Vanceburg in Lewis County, Kentucky, in Vanceburg, Kentucky, commemorates the Union soldiers of the American Civil War. It is the only monument anywhere south of the Mason-Dixon line that so honors Union soldiers that is not in a cemetery done by public subscription.
The monument was built in 1884 by the citizens of Lewis County, which was a Union stronghold during the war and one of the few places in Kentucky that was still more sympathetic to the Union cause by the 1880s. It stands thirty-four feet tall, and both the pedestal and base are made of limestone. The base is five feet high and seven feet wide. The pedestal was made from eight separate pieces. The statue depicts a Union soldier in winter gear and kepi hat.

The inscription reads:

The war for the Union was right, everlastingly right, and the war against the Union was wrong, forever wrong

In total, 107 men from Lewis County died as Union soldiers during the war; their names are inscribed on the monument.

en.wikipedia.org

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Timothy Watson  May 25, 2016 • 9:35:20am

re: #168 Belafon

It’s all about white people being superior for being white. That’s why you find it in places that fought against the south or even places that didn’t exist when the Civil War occurred.

And widespread flying of the Confederate flag started as a response to the Civil Rights Movement.
news.nationalgeographic.com

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 9:35:35am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also in Kentucky:

In total, 107 men from Lewis County died as Union soldiers during the war; their names are inscribed on the monument.

en.wikipedia.org

I wish there were more of these.

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Skip Intro  May 25, 2016 • 9:36:07am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is all we’re going to be hearing about today:

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Headline in the LA Times today:

Hillary Clinton disregarded guidelines for using private email, State Department says

latimes.com

Damn biased liberal media.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 9:36:21am

re: #174 Timothy Watson

And widespread flying of the Confederate flag started as a response to the Civil Rights Movement.
news.nationalgeographic.com

Exactly. It was really only then they suddenly were aware of their “Southern heritage.”

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 9:36:48am

re: #160 No Depression

If he signed off on it, then yes. As a CEO or top executive of the involved companies, he could be held liable for the tax fraud.

UPDATE:

The article, however, claims the following:

Experts consulted by the Telegraph said that if the IRS were to carry out audits that concluded that the deal was equity and a disguised sale, Mr Trump would not be held directly responsible.

He was not a recipient of the payments from FL, and any tax liability on the $50 million would rest with Bayrock Group’s formal partners – although the tax professionals said that saying they acted on legal advice would likely to shield them from any potential criminal charges.

Mr Trump, however, could be deposed if the IRS decided to take action, according to a former tax prosecutor.

This once again highlights how easy it is to steal millions (by tax evasion) in white collar crimes, while petty thefts can get prison time with the slimmest of evidence. Corporate officials can sign off on tax evasion, and escape liability, but someone allegedly steals a pack of cigarettes, and they could end up dead by a trigger happy cop.

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wrenchwench  May 25, 2016 • 9:37:14am
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Jenner7  May 25, 2016 • 9:38:09am

I made the mistake of turning the news on…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 9:39:20am

re: #180 Jenner7

I made the mistake of turning the news on…..

I made the mistake of looking at twitter this morning.
It’s still too early to drink…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 9:41:52am
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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 9:43:34am

I said it last night and before but I really do think there’s something funny about people who wave the CSA flag that also question the patriotism of others.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 9:51:00am

anyhoo…the confederate statue case is in court today and the drama is ridiculous:

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 9:52:33am

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

anyhoo…the confederate statue case is in court today and the drama is ridiculous:

[Embedded content]

Says KY was a Confederate state? HAhaha aren’t these the people who love to explain that they know the history and us dumb Yankees don’t. Your Uncle Phil needs to come back down there and raise some hell. Maybe my great great grandpa can join him.

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 9:52:36am

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

anyhoo…the confederate statue case is in court today and the drama is ridiculous:

If it weren’t off track, I’d actually engage him and ask what history? The one where the South won?

But that’s not what the judge asked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 9:52:45am
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Brian J.  May 25, 2016 • 9:52:57am

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

anyhoo…the confederate statue case is in court today and the drama is ridiculous:

[Embedded content]

So the only part of Southern history worth remembering is four years of getting your ass kicked by northerners?

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 9:53:40am

re: #186 Belafon

If it weren’t off track, I’d actually engage him and ask what history? The one where the South won?

But that’s not what the judge asked.

The history where the CSA soldiers barely had enough to eat or shoes to wear. Such a glorious history. Meanwhile the rich planters they bled and died for lived lives of luxury.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 9:53:46am

re: #188 Brian J.

So the only part of Southern history worth remembering is four years of getting your ass kicked by northerners?

generational butthurt is apparently a genetic thing…

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 9:54:09am

re: #188 Brian J.

So the only part of Southern history worth remembering is four years of getting your ass kicked by northerners?

And, as others have pointed out, Kentucky was part of the North.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 9:55:49am

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

generational butthurt is apparently a genetic thing…

They should be grateful that Lincoln wasn’t the evil tyrant they claim him to be because if he was, anyone wearing CSA colors would have been shot on sight after capture.

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Brian J.  May 25, 2016 • 9:56:02am

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

generational butthurt is apparently a genetic thing…

And sometimes with very weird genetics. I say “your” even though I live in Louisiana, because none of my ancestors were Southerners. Oddly, that doesn’t stop a lot of other transplants and their kin.

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CBGB  May 25, 2016 • 9:56:04am

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

Somebody wanna tell that numbnuts that removing a commemorative statue is not “removing the past”? Might wanna clue him in that they also hide history in things called books.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 9:56:17am

For the record, that whole “Kentucky was a Confederate state” argument is bogus.
The alleged confederate state government at the time wasn’t a legitimate government. It was just a bunch of slaveowner sore losers who were pissed because they couldn’t win the real elections, so they just made up a shadow state government.

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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 9:56:39am

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

eyeroll…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 9:57:42am

jeebus, this guy Corley:

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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 9:58:04am

re: #180 Jenner7

I made the mistake of turning the news on…..

It’s like reading the comments.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 9:58:11am

re: #193 Brian J.

And sometimes with very weird genetics. I say “your” even though I live in Louisiana, because none of my ancestors were Southerners. Oddly, that doesn’t stop a lot of other transplants and their kin.

I’m a Virginian- second generation but I’ve always been proud that my second grandfather, a German immigrant to Pennsylvania who wasn’t even a citizen when he fought for the Army of the Potomac fought for the Union. I have no illusions. I very much doubt he was an abolitionist or a believer in racial equality but he did fight for his new homeland.

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 9:58:50am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

The history where the CSA soldiers barely had enough to eat or shoes to wear. Such a glorious history. Meanwhile the rich planters they bled and died for lived lives of luxury.

The history of the CSA - white washed by current Southerners who want to ignore that the key reason for launching the war of Southern insurrection was their keen desire to preserve the institution of slavery (see the various state acts of secession). States rights my ass.

It was a desire to maintain their right to keep blacks as slaves.

And the current desire to keep those statues and other landmarks and to fly the flag on public property? What history are you trying to remember there - not the fact that the South lost. Not that the South sought to protect the institution of slavery.

Then what? What’s so important about the CSA flags that you must feel the need to fly them, or to honor generals who fought to uphold the institution of slavery while engaging in insurrection against the Union?

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 9:59:54am

You know they talk about their pride in their ancestors. What about our ancestors who had to risk their lives to stop their act of treason over their temper tantrum over President Lincoln’s election? There are many more Americans with Union Army ancestors than there are with CSA ancestors but you’d never know it because the CSA ones act like their heritage is superior.

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Brian J.  May 25, 2016 • 10:00:32am

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, this guy Corley:

[Embedded content]

The Confederacy is part of U of L? Seriously? Is there some level of extreme stupidity that can get a lawyer (or pro se) sanctioned?

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 10:00:50am

re: #200 lawhawk

The history of the CSA - white washed by current Southerners who want to ignore that the key reason for launching the war of Southern insurrection was their keen desire to preserve the institution of slavery (see the various state acts of secession). States rights my ass.

It was a desire to maintain their right to keep blacks as slaves.

And the current desire to keep those statues and other landmarks and to fly the flag on public property? What history are you trying to remember there - not the fact that the South lost. Not that the South sought to protect the institution of slavery.

Then what? What’s so important about the CSA flags that you must feel the need to fly them, or to honor generals who fought to uphold the institution of slavery while engaging in insurrection against the Union?

When you was slaves, you sang like birds.

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 10:00:52am

re: #200 lawhawk

I doubt they want people to remember that whites with too much power will enslave others to do their work.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 25, 2016 • 10:01:36am

Remember kids, history is important, but no Harriet Tubman on our currency.

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 10:03:28am
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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 10:05:14am

re: #206 lawhawk

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I thought he was off Twitter for being a violent bigoted asshole.

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Skip Intro  May 25, 2016 • 10:05:33am

Rioting Only Makes Trump Stronger

What happened in Albuquerque Tuesday night not only was pointless, it was utterly stupid. It gave the campaign of He, Trump enough footage to create campaign ads all the way through his re-election campaign in 2020. It gave cable news a chance to monger some fear; by midnight, the CNN reporter on the scene was practically begging the cops to unleash hell on the people “who won’t go home.” It turned He, Trump into a victim. And, not least, throwing rocks at police horses is a dumb thing to do on its own merits.

This is how we lose the election to Trump.

esquire.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 10:06:25am
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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 10:07:03am

re: #205 I Would Prefer Not To

Remember kids, history is important, but no Harriet Tubman on our currency.

Oh come on, it’s just PC run amok to put someone who risked their life escaping and helping others help slavery. Really if they want to talk about history, I’m happy to point out to them that most of the CSA states seceded before Lincoln even took the oath of office. The CSA existed because of a temper tantrum over an election and it was never about states rights. The Southern states were fine with using the power of the federal government via the Fugitive Slave Act to force Northerners to return escaped slaves.

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 10:08:29am
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b.d.  May 25, 2016 • 10:08:49am

Want to know how to make sure your statue stays up?

Win.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 25, 2016 • 10:12:07am

re: #212 b.d.

Want to know how to make sure your statue stays up?

Win.

What if my statue stays up for more than four hours?

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 10:12:53am

re: #213 I Would Prefer Not To

What if my statue stays up for more than four hours?

WINNING!!

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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 10:14:07am

re: #208 Skip Intro

people who are unnerved by the prospect of being ruled by a vulgar talking yam

accurate.

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wrenchwench  May 25, 2016 • 10:14:09am

re: #208 Skip Intro

Rioting Only Makes Trump Stronger

This is how we lose the election to Trump.

esquire.com

Folks just want to get out and express themselves. They aren’t political strategists. And they’re mad at the police.

217
Bubblehead II  May 25, 2016 • 10:15:44am

This is sooooo sweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 10:15:59am
219
Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 10:16:06am

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Oh come on, it’s just PC run amok to put someone who risked their life escaping and helping others help slavery. Really if they want to talk about history, I’m happy to point out to them that most of the CSA states seceded before Lincoln even took the oath of office. The CSA existed because of a temper tantrum over an election and it was never about states rights. The Southern states were fine with using the power of the federal government via the Fugitive Slave Act to force Northerners to return escaped slaves.

And Lincoln wouldn’t have won had the southern states not split the Democratic vote.

220
Snarknado!  May 25, 2016 • 10:16:40am

They’re Just Evil…

Turns out the “deadly Africanized bees” Charles mentioned last week weren’t Africanized at all —- they don’t need new genes to be evil.

(Be afraid, be very afraid.)

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Brian J.  May 25, 2016 • 10:18:35am

re: #219 Belafon

And Lincoln wouldn’t have won had the southern states not split the Democratic vote.

Not true. Lincoln won a majority of the vote in every state that he carried except for then electoral midgets Oregon and California. He’d have won a majority of the EC without them.

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 10:19:13am
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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 10:19:23am

re: #217 Bubblehead II

This is sooooo sweet.

Because Donald Trump is a Populist!

/

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Lidane  May 25, 2016 • 10:19:27am

It’s a pathetic statement about the country these days when a person gets booed for speaking Spanish in California.

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Ming5000  May 25, 2016 • 10:19:56am

re: #213 I Would Prefer Not To

What if my statue stays up for more than four hours?

Consult with your Dr. immediately

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 10:20:20am

oh….

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Timothy Watson  May 25, 2016 • 10:21:27am

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh….

[Embedded content]

That boy ain’t right.

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Sir John Barron  May 25, 2016 • 10:22:08am

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh….

….once she reaches the necessary delegate threshold I presume.

Thanks, Shaun.

//

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Brian J.  May 25, 2016 • 10:22:49am

Sabed que a la diestra mano de las Indias existe una isla llamada California muy cerca de un costado del Paraíso Terrenal; y estaba poblada por mujeres negras, sin que existiera allí un hombre, pues vivían a la manera de las amazonas.

Know that on the right hand from the Indies exists an island called California very close to a side of the Earthly Paradise; and it was populated by black women, without any man existing there, because they lived in the way of the Amazons.

This is from the novel The Adventures of Esplandián which first gave us the name of California. This may actually be better than the other folk etymology I’ll leave here…

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 10:22:53am

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

Okay, I’m just trolling him now:

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wrenchwench  May 25, 2016 • 10:23:07am

re: #224 Lidane

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It’s a pathetic statement about the country these days when a person gets booed for speaking Spanish in California.

My home town.

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Skip Intro  May 25, 2016 • 10:23:20am

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

So Shaun is now using favorite Trump words. Sad.

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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 10:24:36am

Your “intellectual wing” of GOP:

These folks sell conspiracies for a living - whether it’s the trickle down economic theory that has repeatedly failed every time attempted, or that something a Democrat has done is impeachable, or unconstitutional.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 10:25:09am

oh good freaking grief, Jill.
Obama was the “lesser evil”…REALLY???

235
lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 10:25:37am

Texas is now suing the Obama administration over his transgender policy:

Because Texas has no other problems for which that money couldn’t be put to better use?

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 10:26:10am

re: #221 Brian J.

Not true. Lincoln won a majority of the vote in every state that he carried except for then electoral midgets Oregon and California. He’d have won a majority of the EC without them.

I know it’s counterfactual, but splitting the Democrats I’m sure did some damage in states they could have been more competitive in. I saw this:

Welcome: Minnesota and Oregon become states during this election cycle
•Original 13 States control fewer than 50% of total Electoral Votes for first time
•Lincoln received only about 40% of the popular vote in a divided nation on the brink of Civil War
•New Jersey Electors split their vote: 4 for Lincoln, 3 for Douglas; Douglas had won popular vote

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Lidane  May 25, 2016 • 10:27:07am

re: #235 lawhawk

This is a distraction from the fact the state is getting sued by parents over the state standardized test:

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 10:30:04am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good freaking grief, Jill.
Obama was the “lesser evil”…REALLY???

Hey, Stein, keep helping Bernie with minorities. You’re doing great.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 10:30:35am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good freaking grief, Jill.
Obama was the “lesser evil”…REALLY???

[Embedded content]

Fuck off Jill, actually attempt to govern for once before you call anyone a lesser evil.

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Belafon  May 25, 2016 • 10:30:53am

re: #235 lawhawk

Texas is now suing the Obama administration over his transgender policy:

Because Texas has no other problems for which that money couldn’t be put to better use?

Texas has got to scare people into getting to the polls. Texas can’t go blue. It just can’t.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 25, 2016 • 10:31:00am

LOL

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 10:31:40am

re: #238 Belafon

Hey, Stein, keep helping Bernie with minorities. You’re doing great.

I’m sure the people who gave Gore and Obama a majority of the popular vote just love being told they voted for an evil.

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gocart mozart  May 25, 2016 • 10:33:15am
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lawhawk  May 25, 2016 • 10:37:14am
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wrenchwench  May 25, 2016 • 10:42:00am

There are a few nice clips at the link.

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 10:42:42am

re: #245 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

There are a few nice clips at the link.

One of my faves.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 25, 2016 • 10:46:34am

One of the things Ryan Bundy is upset about is that he is being denied his Second Amendment right WHILE HE IS IN JAIL!!!

He also argues that his Second Amendment rights have been violated, presumably because guns are not allowed in jails.

O_o

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HappyWarrior  May 25, 2016 • 10:48:56am

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

One of the things Ryan Bundy is upset about is that he is being denied his Second Amendment right WHILE HE IS IN JAIL!!!

O_o

Haha no guns in jails, man that’s a good one. I don’t even think Wayne LaPierre has that warped a mind on guns.

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Timothy Watson  May 25, 2016 • 10:49:35am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Haha no guns in jails, man that’s a good one. I don’t even think Wayne LaPierre has that warped a mind on guns.

Who will stop a bad guy with a gun in jail except for a good guy with a gun in jail?

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Jebediah, RBG  May 25, 2016 • 10:56:51am

re: #142 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. Remember these are the same people who ‘jokingly’ argued they should be allowed to rape women whose contraception was paid for by the government.

Leaving aside for the moment how hilarious rape jokes always are, the basic argument is that in exchange for receiving a benefit, a woman loses her bodily autonomy. Getting to write off mortgage interest is also a benefit, one usually worth a lot more dollars. Will these assclowns concede that if they write off mortgage interest, they can get raped?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 25, 2016 • 11:00:41am

re: #250 Jebediah, RBG

Leaving aside for the moment how hilarious rape jokes always are, the basic argument is that in exchange for receiving a benefit, a woman loses her bodily autonomy. Getting to write off mortgage interest is also a benefit, one usually worth a lot more dollars. Will these assclowns concede that if they write off mortgage interest, they can get raped?

HA! As if. Tax deductions and credits are your natural due, if you’re a middleclass white guy. Anyone else? It’s Free Stuff.

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Decatur Deb  May 25, 2016 • 11:13:26am

re: #202 Brian J.

The Confederacy is part of U of L? Seriously? Is there some level of extreme stupidity that can get a lawyer (or pro se) sanctioned?

Uhhh… No.

(UofL, 72)

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retired cynic  May 25, 2016 • 11:23:55am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Fuck off Jill, actually attempt to govern for once before you call anyone a lesser evil.

I don’t want her to govern. Bad!


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