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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 4, 2019 • 11:48:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 11:50:12am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2019 • 11:52:48am

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Go away you old hypocrite. You don’t understand the law.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2019 • 11:53:28am

re: #1 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Beto made Republicans sweat statewide in Texas. Nuff said.

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jaunte  Mar 4, 2019 • 11:55:28am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2019 • 11:57:11am

re: #5 jaunte

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Do we hold Republicans who act like the free market is the best thing ever to high standards on the fact they receive public and tax payer funded healthcare?

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jaunte  Mar 4, 2019 • 11:58:19am

Megan McArdle, who wrote under the pen name “Jane Galt” thinking that was clever.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2019 • 11:59:00am

re: #7 jaunte

Megan McArdle, who wrote under the pen name “Jane Galt” thinking that was clever.

Yeah consider the source.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2019 • 11:59:49am

What about Trump raging about socialism while paying large subsidies to farmers to make up for his failed tariffs?

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:01:55pm
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Belafon  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:02:45pm

re: #5 jaunte

In one of the tweets about it yesterday, someone said she should have taken the subway in order to shut these people up. I had to ask why she thought these people would shut up about anything.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:04:34pm

re: #11 Belafon

In one of the tweets about it yesterday, someone said she should have taken the subway in order to shut these people up. I had to ask why she thought these people would shut up about anything.

There’s nothing she can do. So much obsession towards a freshman Congresswoman who hasn’t broken any laws. Meanwhile there’s Matt Gaetz who threatens witnesses.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:04:39pm
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Teukka  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:04:46pm

Now listening to this:


(kinda my mood with Luke Perry and Keith Flint shedding their mortal coils)
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:05:07pm

Someone in the last thread made a comment about how the perception of the Democrats as the party that focuses on minorities hurts their standing among whites.

That’s interesting, because the GOP has made it clear they don’t give a shit about minorities, except those few token individuals who shared their jacked up ideology. Thus, the Democratic party is forced to do big things to appeal to minorities lest they (minorities) feel completely maligned by the U.S. political system.

This is not happening at the expense of whites. Just because we aren’t front and center all the time in the progressive moment doesn’t mean we aren’t needed or valued.

The sad truth is this:

For whites, there are two parties to choose from.

For minorities, there is functionally only one.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:05:15pm

re: #1 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I don’t know if the first person is from Texas, but we reached presidential election numbers here in 2018. And while Cruz is hated, and Trump was a driving force, those numbers would not have occurred had Beto not been the candidate he was.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:09:39pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:11:21pm

re: #5 jaunte

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Jay C  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:11:53pm

From last thread:
re: #367 Man, DangerMan

* me neither. nor a historian

has any president ever declared a national emergency over an issue directly and recently voted down by both houses of congress?

As far I have been able to find, no.

The Wikipedia list of US National Emergencies is interesting, though. There are still 32 of them in current effect - mainly from the Bush 43 era (9/11 and Iraq-related) and Obama’s Admin (misc. foreign sanctions).

Though AFAICT, Trump’s latest BS is only one of three (out of 59 historically) that is related to mainly domestic, rather than foreign issues (and one of the latter -now ended - was due to an influenza epidemic in 2009).

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:15:57pm

re: #5 jaunte

McArdle is complaining AOC is ridesharing with family members why?

The mpg-per person is higher than riding alone (and less than taking the subway or bus), but this is the kind of nontroversy that shows how the right wing has completely lost their shit about everything.

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Teukka  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:17:29pm

re: #20 lawhawk

McArdle is complaining AOC is ridesharing with family members why?

The mpg-per person is higher than riding alone (and less than taking the subway or bus), but this is the kind of nontroversy that shows how the right wing has completely lost their shit about everything.

Indeed. If I get to the point of having to buy a car, it will most likely be a minivan, e.g. VW Caravelle, Hiace or similar. And I will try to rideshare.

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calochortus  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:22:52pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

Someone in the last thread made a comment about how the perception of the Democrats as the party that focuses on minorities hurts their standing among whites.

That’s interesting, because the GOP has made it clear they don’t give a shit about minorities, except those few token individuals who shared their jacked up ideology. Thus, the Democratic party is forced to do big things to appeal to minorities lest they (minorities) feel completely maligned by the U.S. political system.

This is not happening at the expense of whites. Just because we aren’t front and center all the time in the progressive moment doesn’t mean we aren’t needed or valued.

The sad truth is this:

For whites, there are two parties to choose from.

For minorities, there is functionally only one.

As a well educated white person from a stable family, I don’t need the government to focus on me. I have confidence that my problems (such as they are) would also be things the less fortunate need, Social Security and Medicare to deal with being beyond working age, for example. So the government should be focusing their attention on people whose needs are greater than mine. I want them to do that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:23:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:25:40pm
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Belafon  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:25:43pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

Giving the GOP a full election cycle to attempt to distract from their problem.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:26:40pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah it’s callrd a conflict of interest, you dolt.

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:41:26pm

re: #5 jaunte

Megan fucking McArglebargle?
I didn’t know she was still smugly yapping nonsense, or worse, that anyone still paid attention to her. What the hell does she offer to the general discourse?

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:43:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:53:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 12:54:20pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:02:17pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:03:47pm

This fuckin’ guy. Look at the dates, he officially registered as an independent after declaring himself a Democrat in Dem Primary.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:05:12pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

This fuckin’ guy. Look at the dates, he officially registered as an independent after declaring himself a Democrat in Dem Primary.

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Bi-electoral. (NTTAWWT)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:06:56pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Of course they weren’t concerns to Trump. They are concerns to us though.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:08:58pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

In a current AOC thread on reddit:

yeislesm
821 points *
3 hours ago

God I hope she’s everything she seems to be…

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Interesting Times  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:09:20pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

She also gets another concept you’ve talked about for ages:

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:09:38pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pat Robertson says that it is unconstitutional for Congress to investigate anything Trump did before he was elected. We’re pretty sure that he did not hold this view when Clinton was president.

ok, pat, i’ll play:

- cite this in the constitution
- and by the way you said this, you have no problem with states or the SDNY etc investigating things a person did before becoming president, right?
- i mean winning the election in and of itself isnt some kind of automatic ‘pardon’ or something is is?
- also, are you including what may have been illegal activities to actually throw the election (ie he wasnt elected yet)
- and what about the possible issues with the inauguration? Elected but not yet sworn in.

Pat, i dont think you gave this a very thorough analysis did you?

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:09:50pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Go away you old hypocrite. You don’t understand the law.

ok, or that

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:10:46pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Do we hold Republicans who act like the free market is the best thing ever to high standards on the fact they receive public and tax payer funded healthcare?

or farm subsidies or….

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:12:04pm

re: #11 Belafon

In one of the tweets about it yesterday, someone said she should have taken the subway in order to shut these people up. I had to ask why she thought these people would shut up about anything.

right. she’s going somewhere with her aunt.
auntie drives the van
AOC takes the subway

asshats

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:12:35pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

There’s nothing she can do. So much obsession towards a freshman Congresswoman who hasn’t broken any laws. Meanwhile there’s Matt Gaetz who threatens witnesses.

they’re working on their hillary replacement

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:14:11pm

re: #35 Decatur Deb

In a current AOC thread on reddit:

yeislesm
821 points *
3 hours ago

God I hope she’s everything she seems to be…

I wonder when we’re going to learn not to pin so much on one person. She’s just doing what everyone else should be doing.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:15:04pm

re: #40 Man, DangerMan

right. she’s going somewhere with her aunt.
auntie drives the van
AOC takes the subway

asshats

The part about it being her aunt’s van hadn’t been disclosed at that time.

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makeitstop  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:16:01pm

Those 81 letters are apparently only Round 1…

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:16:24pm

re: #42 Belafon

I wonder when we’re going to learn not to pin so much on one person. She’s just doing what everyone else should be doing.

That’s in the AOC reddit thread, too. So is this one, which might be Peak Reddit:

M1k3yd33tofficial
244 points *
2 hours ago
* edited 20 minutes ago

She’s very pretty and she wants to overthrow the American plutocracy.

She’s exactly like my ex-girlfriend minus the part where halfway through our relationship she realizes she’s gay but decides to stay in the relationship for fear of not being accepted by her friends because of her sexuality and inevitably cheats on me with her best friend leaving me sad and alone and very confused

So yeah, she seems pretty cool. I’d vote for her.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:16:32pm

re: #43 Belafon

The part about it being her aunt’s van hadn’t been disclosed at that time.

since she was in the passenger seat, it stands to reason that the minivan belonged to somebody else, tia or otherwise.

of course, reason doesn’t come into play with these people

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Sir John Barron  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:16:49pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

That was different because

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Sir John Barron  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:17:18pm

re: #40 Man, DangerMan

right. she’s going somewhere with her aunt.
auntie drives the van
AOC takes the subway

asshats

So, how has AOC oppressed/disappointed us today?

/

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:18:04pm

re: #19 Jay C

From last thread:

As far I have been able to find, no.

The Wikipedia list of US National Emergencies is interesting, though. There are still 32 of them in current effect - mainly from the Bush 43 era (9/11 and Iraq-related) and Obama’s Admin (misc. foreign sanctions).

Though AFAICT, Trump’s latest BS is only one of three (out of 59 historically) that is related to mainly domestic, rather than foreign issues (and one of the latter -now ended - was due to an influenza epidemic in 2009).

i looked at the list quickly — a lot of ‘blocking’ and ‘sanctioning’

i dont see a lot that involve money, let alone one that involves trying to abscond with $25B the congress already said no to

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:18:55pm

re: #42 Belafon

I wonder when we’re going to learn not to pin so much on one person. She’s just doing what everyone else should be doing.

I’m thinking she is now teaching all the others how to do some of this and they will soon be doing it too. I’ve no problem with her doing it so that, as you say, others can do what they now should be doing because they know it and see it in action.

And I am amazed at how clear she is with her answers. No pauses….right to the clearly thought-out answer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:19:23pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:20:23pm

re: #44 makeitstop

Those 81 letters are apparently only Round 1…

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Just saw a chyron at MSNBC announcing Rachel Maddow will be having an interview with Nadler tonight.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:23:38pm

Jerome Corsi finally locates a shred of a sense of shame and retracts the hateful, hurtful stories alleging that Seth Rich was murdered by Hillary Clinton as revenge for leaking blah blah wharrrrgarrrble QAnon bullshit theory help my brain hurts.

thedailybeast.com

Swiftboat to Birther to “Killary” - and now, if there is any justice in this world, he will die in prison

These fucking people. Seriously.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:23:41pm

re: #22 calochortus

As a well educated white person from a stable family, I don’t need the government to focus on me. I have confidence that my problems (such as they are) would also be things the less fortunate need, Social Security and Medicare to deal with being beyond working age, for example. So the government should be focusing their attention on people whose needs are greater than mine. I want them to do that.

that’s the moral logic of common sacrifice

its also why most people dont seem to mind paying for insurance coverage they hope to never ‘use’ - auto/accident, home/fire, etc.

for some reason that view doesnt seem to hold up to health insurance where they are more than likely going to need it

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:25:31pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s callrd a conflict of interest, you dolt.

doesnt answer the question

we know what the president did
do we have a right to know exactly and specifically what he overrode/overruled?

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:26:44pm

re: #28 lawhawk

Imagine being president and spending all your time tweeting quotes from your sycophants on Fox saying you shouldn’t be impeached.

It’s like a genie grants you 3 wishes and you ask for a big bag of ranch corn nuts.

regular corn nuts woulda been ok?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:26:45pm

re: #36 Interesting Times

God forbid AOC repsond to attacks against her on social media by using SOCIAL MEDIA.

Christ, these people.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:28:27pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Seems obvious: if the GOP honestly wanted to disavow white supremacism, Steve King would no longer be in office.

But they won’t even expel someone who publicly says YES I’M A WHITE SUPREMACIST AND I’M NOT SORRY.

The only conclusion is that the GOP is OK with it.

then you’d think they’d acknowledge it
be proud
wear it like a badge
scream from the rooftops, ‘he’s our guy’

no.
they just want the seat
anything to keep it

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:28:48pm

re: #45 Decatur Deb

That’s in the AOC reddit thread, too. So is this one, which might be Peak Reddit:

M1k3yd33tofficial
244 points *
2 hours ago
* edited 20 minutes ago

She’s very pretty and she wants to overthrow the American plutocracy.

She’s exactly like my ex-girlfriend minus the part where halfway through our relationship she realizes she’s gay but decides to stay in the relationship for fear of not being accepted by her friends because of her sexuality and inevitably cheats on me with her best friend leaving me sad and alone and very confused

So yeah, she seems pretty cool. I’d vote for her.

That happened to my one older brother. Married for a good 20 plus years when his wife realized she was gay and not bi- but a lesbian. That was with 3 girls in the family already and all that happy home stuff he thought he was in.

Of course she is old enough to have come from the times when you never ever said anything about maybe being gay. So she played the game and must have decided with all the changes occurring after Reagan times regarding LGBT social advancements it was time to be what she was all along.

My brother was shocked, but he is almost unflappable about anything. So he did his regular shrug of his shoulders and moved on. Everyone is now happy and in new relationships. Girls are cool with it. Such is life.

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steve_davis  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:30:14pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

What about Trump raging about socialism while paying large subsidies to farmers to make up for his failed tariffs?

what about trump raging about socialism while having the tax system redistribute tens of millions of dollars back into his pockets based on some idea that rich people can’t get by without subsidies?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:32:01pm

re: #59 ObserverArt

Just got off on his seamless mix of rom-com sensibilities and revolutionary politics.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:40:37pm

re: #43 Belafon

The part about it being her aunt’s van hadn’t been disclosed at that time.

right. and that opens up a whole host of ..i dont know what
- disclosed or known, someone made a half assed observation without the facts
- why assume this take - 17mpg, or really anything at all?
- the car already exists, is owned and on the road. it’s going somewhere today regardless of the # of passengers. if she got on a subway she’d be ‘trying to hide that her aunt drives a 17mpg van’

another yawning nontroversy

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:41:49pm

re: #44 makeitstop

Those 81 letters are apparently only Round 1…

Politico reports that the massive document request from the Judiciary Committee will not be the only request. Nadler’s staff said another round of letters would be going out soon and cautioned against reading into why some people didn’t get letters.

“someone run to office depot, we ran out of paper”

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:42:40pm

re: #62 Man, DangerMan

right. and that opens up a whole host of ..i dont know what
- disclosed or known, someone made a half assed observation without the facts
- why assume this take - 17mpg, or really anything at all?
- the car already exists, is owned and on the road. it’s going somewhere today regardless of the # of passengers. if she got on a subway she’d be ‘trying to hide that her aunt drives a 17mpg van’

another yawning nontroversy

She scares them, and they want to strangle her in her crib. Since she’s probably safe in her seat and too young to move up, the RWNJs are basically wasting their energy.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:44:00pm

re: #59 ObserverArt

Until very recently, you were supposed to be straight, especially in the South. Lots of people didn’t figure out they were gay until they’d been in signficant relationships for a long time. That’s why, especially in the South, a number of lesbian families have children, because they’re from when the mom was trying to be “normal.”

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Citizen K  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:44:20pm

Late to the party on this but:

re: #286 Charles Johnson

It’s getting increasingly clear that the media is dead set on gift wrapping up ‘20 for Trump and the GOP because only they are the ones blessed with God’s Own Truth and to question them in any way is a sin to all of Real America.

Meanwhile, Rep. Omar is probably gonna get censured for shit 1/10 as odius as fucking Kevin McCarthy’s casual anti-semitic tweet….

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KGxvi  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:44:57pm

For those who might be interested, I just did a fairly quick page on the constitutional law aspects of national emergencies. Very broad strokes, but hopefully enough for you to understand the basics

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:49:19pm

re: #67 KGxvi

Doesn’t show. Will try “refresh”.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:50:31pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

She scares them, and they want to strangle her in her crib. Since she’s probably safe in her seat and too young to move up, the RWNJs are basically wasting their energy.

Not sure this is not having an effect. This meme infected a permaculture/sustainability list I am on and was causing a consternation until several of us who knew the details calmed everyone down. I hope someone checks this meme surge for Russian sources.

It was coming from the left, on its surface.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:50:46pm

Refresh worked.

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Citizen K  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:52:57pm

re: #69 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Not sure this is not having an effect. This meme infected a permaculture/sustainability list I am on and was causing a consternation until several of us who knew the details calmed everyone down. I hope someone checks this meme surge for Russian sources.

It was coming from the left, on its surface.

It’s the same kind of shit as the ‘Kamala is a cop’ bullshit. Ostensibly criticism coming from the left but easily working in the service of the GOP.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:53:30pm

re: #69 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Not sure this is not having an effect. This meme infected a permaculture/sustainability list I am on and was causing a consternation until several of us who knew the details calmed everyone down. I hope someone checks this meme surge for Russian sources.

It was coming from the left, on its surface.

Left of AOC is puritopians and Debbie from Novaya Zemlya.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 1:58:49pm

re: #67 KGxvi

For those who might be interested, I just did a fairly quick page on the constitutional law aspects of national emergencies. Very broad strokes, but hopefully enough for you to understand the basics

- there was also the $25b for the wall in exchange for DACA deal he rejected
- and as you say the republican congress did nothing for two years and he didnt ask
- lastly, attempting to redirect budgeted funds is trying to take an enumerated power that belongs explicitly to congress

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jimmyvluv4u  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:00:07pm

Don’t know if anybody posted this yesterday or not, but a story about possibly the all-time baddest-ass dog:

Link

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:03:00pm

re: #71 Citizen K

It’s the same kind of shit as the ‘Kamala is a cop’ bullshit. Ostensibly criticism coming from the left but easily working in the service of the GOP.

This is coming from Berners who are afraid of anyone who could displace Bernie as the hero of the revolution. Of course, given Bernie’s Russian ties, it wouldn’t be surprising if the original source of the hostile memes is Putin’s St. Petersburg troll factory.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:08:46pm
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KGxvi  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:10:03pm

re: #73 Man, DangerMan

- there was also the $25b for the wall in exchange for DACA deal he rejected
- and as you say the republican congress did nothing for two years and he didnt ask
- lastly, attempting to redirect budgeted funds is trying to take an enumerated power that belongs explicitly to congress

Yeah, I was mostly focused on the legal aspects rather than the political. But the political issues will be part of the case.

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KingKenrod  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:11:51pm

What kind of alleged deal maker gives away their leverage for nothing?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:12:26pm
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KGxvi  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:13:20pm

re: #78 KingKenrod

What kind of alleged deal maker gives away their leverage for nothing?

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a not very good one

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:13:38pm

re: #77 KGxvi

Yeah, I was mostly focused on the legal aspects rather than the political. But the political issues will be part of the case.

I would argue that this is all political specifically because of the points made by Dangerman.

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KGxvi  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:16:59pm

re: #81 Belafon

I would argue that this is all political specifically because of the points made by Dangerman.

When dealing with constitutional law, we often see the points where law and politics cross. And while we’ve talked a lot about the politics of the issue, I though people might appreciate learning the basics of the legal issues.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:17:26pm
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Mike Lamb  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:18:06pm

re: #78 KingKenrod

What kind of alleged deal maker gives away their leverage for nothing?

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I didn’t roll over at the summit—I rolled over waaaaay before the summit. GET IT RIGHT!

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Old Liberal  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:21:53pm

re: #78 KingKenrod

What kind of alleged deal maker gives away their leverage for nothing?

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And not a peep from the Republicans on the Armed Services Committee. Their hair would be on fire if a Democrat did this. They have no principles

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:27:06pm

re: #74 jimmyvluv4u

Don’t know if anybody posted this yesterday or not, but a story about possibly the all-time baddest-ass dog:

Link

“meet the dog who decided she would be the first of her kind to summit a major peak”

i had to check the story
yes, apparently it was her idea

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:27:31pm

look at all that junk food, Alabama!

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:28:02pm

re: #75 Hecuba’s daughter

This is coming from Berners who are afraid of anyone who could displace Bernie as the hero of the revolution. Of course, given Bernie’s Russian ties, it wouldn’t be surprising if the original source of the hostile memes is Putin’s St. Petersburg troll factory.

if that’s the case, and they think this is necessary, it shows how weak they actually think he is

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:29:07pm

re: #77 KGxvi

Yeah, I was mostly focused on the legal aspects rather than the political. But the political issues will be part of the case.

just helpin’ out ;-)

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:30:53pm

re: #78 KingKenrod

What kind of alleged deal maker gives away their leverage for nothing?

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A traitor who is working for Russia?

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:33:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:36:48pm
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:38:31pm

re: #82 KGxvi

re: #81 Belafon

as a non lawyer, i’m guessing the court cases will involve both
- the law, which im sure you laid out right
- and to a lesser extent whether there is in fact an emergency, regardless of the president’s power to declare one. because his and the admins behavior pretty much demonstrates that there is not

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:40:01pm

Oh good, rum is not on the list. I’ll be OK.

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sagehen  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:43:41pm

re: #54 Man, DangerMan

that’s the moral logic of common sacrifice

its also why most people dont seem to mind paying for insurance coverage they hope to never ‘use’ - auto/accident, home/fire, etc.

for some reason that view doesnt seem to hold up to health insurance where they are more than likely going to need it

I don’t mind at all that part of my property taxes goes to fund the police and fire departments. Any year that I don’t need to call on either of them, I don’t consider that money wasted.

A year that I have no need for the police or fire departments… is a good year.

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mmmirele  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:44:28pm

Good news on the evil diabeetus front!

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:44:39pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rep. Omar’s repeated anti-Semitic comments have gone far enough. I’m calling on the Speaker to remove her from her Foreign Affairs Committee. No more promoting and empowering her actions on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine. Real action must be taken.

Rep Omar wears a hijab.
No matter what she ever said or didn’t, this was gonna be the reaction

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:46:49pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

Unpopular opinion but perhaps Rep Omar needs to be more sensitive about her commentary on Israel. Not sure why it’s something she’s focused on in the first place. Not saying that she’s anti-Semitic as Republicans are claiming but surely there are more pressing concerns for her constituents than Israel. My fear is that she’s eventually going to say something explosive which will force Democratic leadership to censure her.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:47:20pm

re: #95 sagehen

I don’t mind at all that part of my property taxes goes to fund the police and fire departments. Any year that I don’t need to call on either of them, I don’t consider that money wasted.

A year that I have no need for the police or fire departments… is a good year.

for me ditto re: health insurance and especially life insurance

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mmmirele  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:47:41pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

Andy Biggs is my stupid congressman, who spends most of his time so far up Donald Trump’s hind end he can see the short-fingered vulgarian’s tonsils. What’s interesting is this is new for Biggs. His big things are business, getting rid of regulations and abortion. Joan Green was the Democratic candidate for AZ-05 and she’s right. Biggs spends his time going around to businesses and making stealth appearances at evangelical churches (but he’s Mormon). He’s never held a town hall, ever.

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sagehen  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:48:49pm

re: #76 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

As someone with a Ph.D. in military history, let me say, first, foreign nations *have* invaded the U.S. from the sea (during the Revolutionary War & the War of 1812), and, second, the subsequent paucity of invasions had nothing to do with “gun owners” but a lot to do with oceans.

Let me also point out WWII. I’m not counting Pearl Harbor (bombing runs, but no attempt to land).

But Alaska. There were actual land battles between Japanese and American forces on a few of the Aleutian Islands.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:50:01pm

re: #53 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Retracts an obviously b.s. story. He deserves no credit for retracting a lie. I hope he rots in prison.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:50:05pm

re: #100 mmmirele

Andy Biggs is my stupid congressman, who spends most of his time so far up Donald Trump’s hind end he can see the short-fingered vulgarian’s tonsils. What’s interesting is this is new for Biggs. His big things are business, getting rid of regulations and abortion. Joan Green was the Democratic candidate for AZ-05 and she’s right. Biggs spends his time going around to businesses and making stealth appearances at evangelical churches (but he’s Mormon). He’s never held a town hall, ever.

I found it not so amusing to read the chyron about “new charge from top ranking Democrat” under Biggs in the screenshot.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:51:41pm

re: #101 sagehen

Let me also point out WWII. I’m not counting Pearl Harbor (bombing runs, but no attempt to land).

But Alaska. There were actual land battles between Japanese and American forces on a few of the Aleutian Islands.

it wasn’t a state yet. checkmate lib

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:52:40pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:53:14pm

re: #53 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Jerome Corsi finally locates a shred of a sense of shame and retracts the hateful, hurtful stories alleging that Seth Rich was murdered by Hillary Clinton as revenge for leaking blah blah wharrrrgarrrble QAnon bullshit theory help my brain hurts.

thedailybeast.com

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These fucking people. Seriously.

Seth Rich’s family should sue that motherfather for every last penny he has.

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KGxvi  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:56:44pm

re: #105 Patricia Kayden

If Israel continues down the path that Netanyahu has set for it, we are going to have to re-evaluate our relationship with them. Bibi has made it clear that there will be no two state solution on his watch. That means a one state solution - and there’s two possible outcomes for a one state solution: a pluralistic, secular state; or, an apartheid state.

And the apartheid state is probably much more likely under Bibi than a pluralistic secular state.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 2:59:18pm

so ailes gave trump debate questions in advance

you think he studied them or prepared answers or something?

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:05:03pm

a study says Without the “Fox effect,” neither Bush nor Trump could have won. (vox)

…if Fox News hadn’t existed, the Republican presidential candidate’s share of the two-party vote would have been 3.59 points lower in 2004 and 6.34 points lower in 2008. Without Fox, in other words, the GOP’s only popular vote win since the 1980s would have been reversed and the 2008 election would have been an extinction-level landslide.”

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Old Liberal  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:06:25pm

re: #96 mmmirele

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:06:33pm

re: #109 Man, DangerMan

a study says Without the “Fox effect,” neither Bush nor Trump could have won. (vox)

Fuck Rupert Murdoch and his team of assholes.

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Citizen K  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:09:28pm

re: #107 KGxvi

If Israel continues down the path that Netanyahu has set for it, we are going to have to re-evaluate our relationship with them. Bibi has made it clear that there will be no two state solution on his watch. That means a one state solution - and there’s two possible outcomes for a one state solution: a pluralistic, secular state; or, an apartheid state.

And the apartheid state is probably much more likely under Bibi than a pluralistic secular state.

I feel like re-evaluating our relationship with Israel has been at least 5 years or more in the making, at minimum. Netanyahu’s recent moves of shoring up the extreme nationalist right-wing parties there should be setting off massive sirens. The idea that we should be questioning our reflexive defense of Israel is something that should be embraced more, but instead we’re going extra-hard in the other direction of trying to make it illegal to boycott or criticize Israel at all.

And I don’t fault that on Israel as a country as a whole so much as it is, once again, Netanyahu, Likud, and the same psychotic nationalist fervor that seems to link Likud and the GOP as fellow travelers, same way as Putin and his other Boy Band Authoritarians that Trump so adores.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:09:39pm

re: #109 Man, DangerMan

And as many people have already said, if Fox News had been around during the Nixon era, he probably wouldn’t have resigned.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:10:11pm

re: #110 Old Liberal

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:10:42pm

re: #111 Eclectic Cyborg

Fuck Rupert Murdoch and his team of assholes.

somehow he and sinclair media have to be dealt with

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Citizen K  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:11:56pm

re: #109 Man, DangerMan

a study says Without the “Fox effect,” neither Bush nor Trump could have won. (vox)

Instead, we may as fucking well live in Fox Nation. It’s only until very recently that other outlets have stopped trying to out-Fox Fox, and that’s been mitigated by the fact that the network is de facto State TV now and doesn’t even really need to compete anymore. Ratings and financials may be on the downswing finally, but they’ve never been more influential and damaging.

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sagehen  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:12:49pm

re: #110 Old Liberal

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:12:55pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:14:32pm

re: #116 Citizen K

Hemmer argues that Fox—which, as the most watched cable news network, generates about $2.7 billion a year for its parent company, 21st Century Fox—acts as a force multiplier for Trump, solidifying his hold over the Republican Party and intensifying his support. “Fox is not just taking the temperature of the base—it’s raising the temperature,” she says. “It’s a radicalization model.” For both Trump and Fox, “fear is a business strategy—it keeps people watching.”

Doesn’t look like they’re hurting to me.

newyorker.com

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Old Liberal  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:19:59pm

re: #114 Man, DangerMan

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It wasn’t intentional. Virtually everyone who comes here loses 20-40 pounds. Less appetite. Less stress. More walking but still, not enough to account for this. I eat almost no processed food here. Effortlessly. I think it has a multiplier effect. No processed food little more exercise lot less stress dropping body fat and insulin can make you gain weight and your body can fight against. As I kept lowering my Lantus my AM glucose kept dropping. It should have done the opposite.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:22:34pm

remember that story yesterday about the guy who ‘accidentally’ - actually negligently shot himself in the ‘genitals’?

apparently he doesn’t have a license to carry a handgun in Indiana.

investigators will forward the case to the Grant County Prosecuting Attorney for a determination on whether Jones will face any criminal charges.

and see- here’s the problem.
- carrying a handgun
- no licence to carry a handgun
- loses control of handgun, it discharges
- and actually hits someone (that it wasn’t someone else is not relevant) - (nor really is whether he hit someone or not - the endangerment to the rest of us is the same)

he has demonstrably proven he is not fit to possess a weapon

jail
fines
loss of 2A rights forever

dont want to lose your freedom, finances and gun future? dont fuck up

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Citizen K  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:28:28pm

re: #119 Skip Intro

Doesn’t look like they’re hurting to me.

newyorker.com

Wait, so even with it bleeding advertisers, it’s still thriving financially?

I fucking hate everything.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:28:31pm

re: #120 Old Liberal

It wasn’t intentional. Virtually everyone who comes here loses 20-40 pounds. Less appetite. Less stress. More walking but still, not enough to account for this. I eat almost no processed food here. Effortlessly. I think it has a multiplier effect. No processed food little more exercise lot less stress dropping body fat and insulin can make you gain weight and your body can fight against. As I kept lowering my Lantus my AM glucose kept dropping. It should have done the opposite.

bravo

i try very hard to stick to michael pollan’s “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly Plants”

‘foods my grandmother would have recognized’ and ‘if it requires a brand or more than 5 ingredients, it probably isn’t real food’

i probably make it 70-80% of the time. so many aisles in the supermarket we dont even go down any more

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:29:37pm

re: #96 mmmirele

Good news on the evil diabeetus front!

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Our medical system is a disgrace; the cost of medication is an outrage; pharmaceutical firms charge too much for their products and the profit motive of insurance companies significantly increases these costs.

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Skip Intro  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:32:44pm

re: #124 Hecuba’s daughter

As is our political system, our religious system, and our education system, to name just three.

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:36:57pm

re: #124 Hecuba’s daughter

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:37:29pm

Ok, so we can take Hickenlooper out of the running:

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mmmirele  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:38:56pm

re: #126 lawhawk

I’m thinking there should be a clawback of all the money the Sackler family has taken from Purdue Pharma over the years. I know that’s not part of bankruptcy, but it should be.

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KGxvi  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:39:36pm

re: #127 Belafon

The president doesn’t go to a Senator’s office. This isn’t the West Wing

The West Wing - President Bartlet walks to the hill.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:39:39pm

re: #125 Skip Intro

As is our political system, our religious system, and our education system, to name just three.

And the rent is too damn high!

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:40:02pm

re: #121 Man, DangerMan

remember that story yesterday about the guy who ‘accidentally’ - actually negligently shot himself in the ‘genitals’?

apparently he doesn’t have a license to carry a handgun in Indiana.

and see- here’s the problem.
- carrying a handgun
- no licence to carry a handgun
- loses control of handgun, it discharges
- and actually hits someone (that it wasn’t someone else is not relevant) - (nor really is whether he hit someone or not - the endangerment to the rest of us is the same)

he has demonstrably proven he is not fit to possess a weapon

jail
fines
loss of 2A rights forever

dont want to lose your freedom, finances and gun future? dont fuck up

The idiot was carrying it in his waistband without a holster in condition zero, just doing everything wrong. On top of that the gun was a very cheap, single action only type without an exposed hammer (meaning no decocking safety to double action mode) and no secondary grip or trigger safety. Just an incredibly goddamned dangerous design. I was honestly shocked to learn that they’d passed California drop testing and were on the roster.

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EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:41:50pm

re: #107 KGxvi

If Israel continues down the path that Netanyahu has set for it, we are going to have to re-evaluate our relationship with them. Bibi has made it clear that there will be no two state solution on his watch. That means a one state solution - and there’s two possible outcomes for a one state solution: a pluralistic, secular state; or, an apartheid state.

And the apartheid state is probably much more likely under Bibi than a pluralistic secular state.

IMO the Israeli hard right is laying the foundation for a third outcome — extermination of the Palestinians.

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EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:44:57pm

re: #127 Belafon

Ok, so we can take Hickenlooper out of the running:

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Fatuous nonsense. Nothing in the world is more useless than a (D) talking to the Evil Turtle.

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EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:45:46pm

re: #128 mmmirele

I’m thinking there should be a clawback of all the money the Sackler family has taken from Purdue Pharma over the years. I know that’s not part of bankruptcy, but it should be.

Pierce the corporate veil. That’s the kind of thing that makes these motherfuckers shit themselves.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:46:17pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:48:20pm

re: #127 Belafon

Ok, so we can take Hickenlooper out of the running:

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Rule #1 of Combat: Know your enemy and plan accordingly.

Talking through things diplomatically is not going to work with Mitch.

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EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:48:30pm

re: #135 Patricia Kayden

Oh fuck that noise. With a malfunctioning Saturn V launch vehicle.

Who is this douchebag Wapo columnist so I can add one more to my (lengthy) list of irredeemable fuckwits in US politics?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:49:24pm

re: #137 EPR-radar

Who is this douchebag Wapo columnist so I can add one more to my (lengthy) list of irredeemable fuckwits in US politics?

Seconded.

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Citizen K  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:49:50pm

re: #112 Citizen K

I feel like re-evaluating our relationship with Israel has been at least 5 years or more in the making, at minimum. Netanyahu’s recent moves of shoring up the extreme nationalist right-wing parties there should be setting off massive sirens. The idea that we should be questioning our reflexive defense of Israel is something that should be embraced more, but instead we’re going extra-hard in the other direction of trying to make it illegal to boycott or criticize Israel at all.

And I don’t fault that on Israel as a country as a whole so much as it is, once again, Netanyahu, Likud, and the same psychotic nationalist fervor that seems to link Likud and the GOP as fellow travelers, same way as Putin and his other Boy Band Authoritarians that Trump so adores.

This seems worth highlighting because…

Mind, this from an apparently well safe D district.

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Skip Intro  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:51:50pm

re: #137 EPR-radar

Sounds like Marc Theisson (sp?).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:52:46pm

Did Omar do something else today or are people still butthurt about the other thing from like a week or so ago?

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KGxvi  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:53:18pm

re: #139 Citizen K

Israel has and remains a stalwart ally of the United States because of our countries’ shared interests and values.

Name those shared interests and values.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:53:59pm

re: #123 Man, DangerMan

bravo

‘foods my grandmother would have recognized’ and ‘if it requires a brand or more than 5 ingredients, it probably isn’t real food’

Never heard this one before. I like. Since I’m a massive food snob and personal chef to the highly discerning SWMBO and spawn, this is my new slogan. I never had one before about cooking, but this is good.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:55:25pm

re: #135 Patricia Kayden

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Henry Olsen a conservative who had written for National Review. Sounds like a William Buckley wannabee. No Democrat should pay any attention to him.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:55:46pm

re: #124 Hecuba’s daughter

Our medical system is a disgrace; the cost of medication is an outrage; pharmaceutical firms charge too much for their products and the profit motive of insurance companies significantly increases these costs.

The fact that anyone is paying e.g., insulin, is a prime example of the profit over people mindset.

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KGxvi  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:56:35pm

re: #141 Eclectic Cyborg

Did Omar do something else today or are people still butthurt about the other thing from like a week or so ago?

Not sure if it’s new, but apparently the House Dems are going ahead with a resolution condemning anti-Antisemitism. And this is being seen as a rebuke of Omar.

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:56:41pm

re: #141 Eclectic Cyborg

Did Omar do something else today or are people still butthurt about the other thing from like a week or so ago?

Something new.

And here’s the thing. All the focus on her is warranted.

All the focus on King and Scalise and Trump are warranted. If the GOP or media are demanding that Omar should lose committee assignments or be booted/resign, then the same must be said towards King, Scalise, and Trump. Because those three GOPers are straight up white nationalists and consort with same and espouse white nationalist/supremacist/KKK positions (or equate goddamned Nazis with the people protesting them - Trump).

Oh, and it’s the media doing its worst to MBF the fuck out of politics when the GOP is beyond redemption.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:56:52pm

re: #141 Eclectic Cyborg

Did Omar do something else today or are people still butthurt about the other thing from like a week or so ago?

this:

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calochortus  Mar 4, 2019 • 3:57:34pm

re: #123 Man, DangerMan

bravo

i try very hard to stick to michael pollan’s “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly Plants”

‘foods my grandmother would have recognized’ and ‘if it requires a brand or more than 5 ingredients, it probably isn’t real food’

i probably make it 70-80% of the time. so many aisles in the supermarket we dont even go down any more

I’ve never liked the “more than 5 ingredients” restriction. I understand what it is driving at, but, a stew is going to have more than 5 ingredients, and so on.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:01:04pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

this:

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And it’s strange that it’s the Democrats that are proving her point. And I think they’re annoyed at her because of this:

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:01:07pm

re: #149 calochortus

I’ve never liked the “more than 5 ingredients” restriction. I understand what it is driving at, but, a stew is going to have more than 5 ingredients, and so on.

I took the five ingredients to mean in processed food being purchased, not what you are cooking at home ‘cause a five ingredient max on home prepared food is duummmbbbbbb and mostly impossible if you’re doing much of anything ‘sides meat and potatoes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:01:43pm

Omar could possibly be more tactful, but she’s young and still learning so I’m willing to give her some space on account of that.

Also, a party whose President refers to an MSNBC Host as “Sleepy Eyes” among many other incidents needs to shut the fuck up about Anti-Semitism.

I’m definitely a supporter of the Jewish people, but Netanyahu can go screw himself. Where is it written that the United States must blindly follow Israel at our own expense?

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ckkatz  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:02:34pm

The opinion piece author was Henry Olsen, a token ‘conservative’ for the WashPost.

The article is at:
washingtonpost.com

His self-promoting cv is at:
eppc.org

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Old Liberal  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:03:20pm

re: #117 sagehen

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re: #145 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The fact that anyone is paying e.g., insulin, is a prime example of the profit over people mindset.

Here an insulin pen is $12.48. Same identical pen in US over $110. Same damn thing.

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calochortus  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:04:25pm

re: #151 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I took the five ingredients to mean in processed food being purchased, not what you are cooking at home ‘cause a five ingredient max on home prepared food is duummmbbbbbb and mostly impossible if you’re doing much of anything ‘side meat and potatoes.

I assume that’s what they mean, but even a good canned stew can have onions, potatoes, mushrooms, carrots, beef, and some other stuff in it.

Anyway, now that I’m all caught up with this thread and starting to chat, my sister-in-law called and wants to come over so I’ll have to catch you all later.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:08:09pm

The United States and the UK have “shared interests and values”. Don’t demand that an Irish-American Democrat from South Boston send the Queen birthday greetings. This is a side effect of old-fashioned ethnic/religious politik’n. Live with it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:08:15pm
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Citizen K  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:14:36pm

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

Omar could possibly be more tactful, but she’s young and still learning so I’m willing to give her some space on account of that.

Also, a party whose President refers to an MSNBC Host as “Sleepy Eyes” among many other incidents needs to shut the fuck up about Anti-Semitism.

I’m definitely a supporter of the Jewish people, but Netanyahu can go screw himself. Where is it written that the United States must blindly follow Israel at our own expense?

Again, we have Republicans, not just even Trump, tweeting casual antisemitism as straight up personal attacks on fellow congressmen. We have active, open and unabashed white supremacists using their seats to spread said white supremacy.

Not a fucking word. Not a goddamn word. Not from the GOP, barely anything from the media who freaks the fuck out when a Dem does it. It only ever fucking matters if a Democrat looks cross at something. So the entire shitshow means that the GOP will always get to decide the terms of what counts as ‘real’ antisemitism, ‘real’ racism, etc., and the media slobbers along and Dems pay the fucking price forever when they act in good faith.

It’s neverending and impenetrable.

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bd (Emergency!)  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:15:33pm

Evening Lizards:

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Whack-A-Mole  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:15:47pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

The idiot was carrying it in his waistband without a holster in condition zero, just doing everything wrong. On top of that the gun was a very cheap, single action only type without an exposed hammer (meaning no decocking safety to double action mode) and no secondary grip or trigger safety. Just an incredibly goddamned dangerous design. I was honestly shocked to learn that they’d passed California drop testing and were on the roster.

Not to mention Hi-Points are notoriously heavy because of the materials and methods of manufacture. Carrying a heavy pistol like that stuffed in a waistband sans holster is beyond asking for trouble, it’s absolutely begging for it.

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ckkatz  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:15:50pm

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

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Yup, basically until Trump becomes an obvious boat anchor on their careers. Of course, a good number of them are not buoyant on their own anyway.

mis-spelled buoyant

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:19:02pm

re: #144 Hecuba’s daughter

Henry Olsen a conservative who had written for National Review. Sounds like a William Buckley wannabee. No Democrat should pay any attention to him.

Which probably means it was an opinion piece by a guest.

Most newspapers always allowed outside opinions on clearly marked opinion pages.

So, it really isn’t a WaPo writer or opinion.

There was a time when that wasn’t a problem. Now because of the huge split in this county’s politics people don’t like “their” paper carrying them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:19:05pm

re: #159 bd (Emergency!)

Evening Lizards:

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And this kids, is what stupid lawyers look like.

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bd (Emergency!)  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:19:23pm

re: #150 Belafon

And it’s strange that it’s the Democrats that are proving her point. And I think they’re annoyed at her because of this:

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So glad that Omar is saying what has long need to be said and exposing her detractors for what they are:

Now if only others weren’t so afraid to have her back.

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Skip Intro  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:20:30pm

re: #158 Citizen K

If the RW media doesn’t cover it neither will the so-called mainstream media. The RW drives all news now.

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Weaselone  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:21:32pm

re: #147 lawhawk

Something new.

And here’s the thing. All the focus on her is warranted.

Is it? The two comments she’s made both require a pretty sizable assumption of bad faith on her part to interpret as anti-Semitic. The most recent example also requires that one assume that even though she was referring to members of Congress and our unhealthy relationship with the Israeli right-wing, she was really suggesting that Jewish Americans are disloyal.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:21:37pm

re: #164 bd (Emergency!)

So glad that Omar is saying what has long need to be said and exposing her detractors for what they are:

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Now if only others weren’t so afraid to have her back.

Wait for her rooftop dance video to drop, and all will be cool.

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bd (Emergency!)  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:22:57pm

re: #163 Eclectic Cyborg

And this kids, is what stupid lawyers look like.

Like the judge would never find out? Your honor, please let me client stay out of jail because it never occurred to us that my client releasing a book entitled The Myth of Russian Collusion would count as him talking about the Russia case.

Geeez……..

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KGxvi  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:26:03pm

re: #159 bd (Emergency!)

If that’s true, they are very bad lawyers… like Lionel Hutz would be a better lawyer.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:28:04pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

this:

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Wait, seriously? That’s it?

I’m starting to feel a bit less sympathy for the folks who keep accusing her of antisemitic tropes. She’s saying that she feels as if she’s being told she has to swear loyalty to Israel in order to serve in the US Congress, and Rep Vargas comes along and essentially says, “Yeah, you do.”

So, respectfully, are we just going to say that because she’s Muslim, she’s not allowed to publicly criticize the government of Israel, or the excessive influence the government of Israel has over US policy, because someone somewhere will find some hint of some antisemitic trope?

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sagehen  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:28:42pm

re: #122 Citizen K

Wait, so even with it bleeding advertisers, it’s still thriving financially?

I fucking hate everything.

Cable companies pay to have it on their system. Even if it’s only 50 cents per month per household, that’s a whole lotta money.

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KGxvi  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:30:23pm

re: #170 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait, seriously? That’s it?

I’m starting to feel a bit less sympathy for the folks who keep accusing her of antisemitic tropes. She’s saying that she feels as if she’s being asked to swear loyalty to Israel in order to serve in the US Congress, and Rep Vargas comes along and essentially says, “Yeah, you do.”

So, respectfully, are we just going to say that because she’s Muslim, she’s not allowed to publicly criticize the government of Israel, or the excessive influence the government of Israel has over US policy, because someone somewhere will find some hint of some antisemitic trope?

Looks like.

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:31:33pm

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

Michael Cohen’s approach to criticizing Israel without being anti Semitic:

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KGxvi  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:32:31pm

re: #171 sagehen

Cable companies pay to have it on their system. Even if it’s only 50 cents per month per household, that’s a whole lotta money.

I suspect they pay for it as part of a bundle of Fox channels - so the local Fox affiliate, FS1, FS2, the local sports channel, FX, FXX, and FXM. I wonder how much Fox gets from cable/satellite providers for the bundle and if it’s divided up in some way

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:32:33pm

SIL, going out in the cold Alabama rain to take the grandkid to the movies:

“I can’t believe this damned dragon isn’t trained yet.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:33:07pm
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:33:20pm

re: #143 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Never heard this one before. I like. Since I’m a massive food snob and personal chef to the highly discerning SWMBO and spawn, this is my new slogan. I never had one before about cooking, but this is good.

adapted from Michael Pollan’s In Defense of Food

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:34:48pm

re: #173 lawhawk

Michael Cohen’s approach to criticizing Israel without being anti Semitic:

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Good thread. Also, this Michael Cohen is not the same person who testified before Congress last week.

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EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:35:00pm

re: #170 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait, seriously? That’s it?

I’m starting to feel a bit less sympathy for the folks who keep accusing her of antisemitic tropes. She’s saying that she feels as if she’s being asked to swear loyalty to Israel in order to serve in the US Congress, and Rep Vargas comes along and essentially says, “Yeah, you do.”

So, respectfully, are we just going to say that because she’s Muslim, she’s not allowed to publicly criticize the government of Israel, or the excessive influence the government of Israel has over US policy, because someone somewhere will find some hint of some antisemitic trope?

I’m seeing this situation in much the same way, and this is starting to really irritate me.

Among other things, there was that guest columnist in the WaPo burbling on idiotically about ludicrous things like the Democrats making themselves ‘above suspicion’ as applied to this case.

In this Fox News/Fake News era, no Democrat is above suspicion, for anything, by definition.

Since that columnist is a GOP apparatchik, it isn’t surprising that his advice for Democrats is to commit ritual suicide.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:36:14pm

re: #149 calochortus

I’ve never liked the “more than 5 ingredients” restriction. I understand what it is driving at, but, a stew is going to have more than 5 ingredients, and so on.

he was talking more about processed foods rather than cooking at home
of course a recipe can have lots of ingredients

when you pick up a package of food in a store, if it’s got a long list, some names of which you cant pronounce or dont know what it is, or worse, the ingredient list is actually longer than the package product inside…

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:37:19pm

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

What’s weird is that no one in Trumpworld noticed and went through ICANN to gain control since that’d be considered squatting.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:40:19pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:41:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:44:01pm

re: #149 calochortus

I’ve never liked the “more than 5 ingredients” restriction. I understand what it is driving at, but, a stew is going to have more than 5 ingredients, and so on.

You can’t even make macaroni and cheese with just 5 ingredients, fer chrissake.

1. Macaroni
2. Cheese
3. Milk
4. Butter
5. Flour
6. Salt
7. Pepper
8. Dry mustard
9. Breadcrumbs.

And that’s a simple recipe!

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KGxvi  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:44:11pm

re: #181 lawhawk

What’s weird is that no one in Trumpworld noticed and went through ICANN to gain control since that’d be considered squatting.

Is it, though?

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KGxvi  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:44:49pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

You can’t even make macaroni and cheese with just 5 ingredients, fer chrissake.

1. Macaroni
2. Cheese
3. Milk
4. Butter
5. Flour
6. Salt
7. Pepper
8. Dry mustard
9. Breadcrumbs.

And that’s a simple recipe!

You forgot the lobster, and “cheese” is way too generic, there should be at least three kinds of cheese

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:50:45pm

re: #170 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait, seriously? That’s it?

I’m starting to feel a bit less sympathy for the folks who keep accusing her of antisemitic tropes. She’s saying that she feels as if she’s being told she has to swear loyalty to Israel in order to serve in the US Congress, and Rep Vargas comes along and essentially says, “Yeah, you do.”

So, respectfully, are we just going to say that because she’s Muslim, she’s not allowed to publicly criticize the government of Israel, or the excessive influence the government of Israel has over US policy, because someone somewhere will find some hint of some antisemitic trope?

It seems to be more a worry about her comments stirring up a hornets nest in the media and with conservatives giving them ammo to generalize how all Democrats must think this way.

I get the feeling the Democrats would like there to be less of that right now as they work to take down Trump and win more seats in congress and a presidency in 2020.

But we have some fired up young congress members that are itching to get their say. This all needs to be worked out so that everyone can get what they need.

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:51:00pm

re: #185 KGxvi

Yeah, it is.

Because it’s as though all of Trump’s lawyers suck. It takes particular skill to be that bad at everything. Trademark/IP stuff like domain names is straight forward stuff, and to overlook a domain and then allow someone to squat is particularly bad.

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plansbandc  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:53:25pm

re: #183 Patricia Kayden

But of course.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:54:20pm

re: #188 lawhawk

Yeah, it is.

Because it’s as though all of Trump’s lawyers suck. It takes particular skill to be that bad at everything. Trademark/IP stuff like domain names is straight forward stuff, and to overlook a domain and then allow someone to squat is particularly bad.

It’s a good guess he’d draw from the top of his deck for a lawyer to pay off his girlfriends.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:54:30pm
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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:54:41pm

This helps the US how? This encourages countries to be our trading partner why?

Who benefits long run from this move? It isn’t the US (as always under Trump). Russia, OTOH, benefits because they can move in and shift trading to favor them.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:55:10pm

re: #171 sagehen

Cable companies pay to have it on their system. Even if it’s only 50 cents per month per household, that’s a whole lotta money.

Thanks for pointing that out. It is not all advertising that makes Fox News money. Though lots of advertisers are a big thing to have flowing because it has to do with ratings.

If ratings go away maybe some cable systems ask for a lower fee or decide what tier to put it on which could also affect both cable fees and advertising.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:55:24pm

I guess the problem I have with all this is that I don’t equate Israel and Judaism. Most of the Jews I know and have known don’t align with the government of Israel’s policies, especially now.

Bibi Netanyahu is not ‘Pope ‘O’ The Jooze’. He’s a crooked politician who’s demonstrated a willingness to bring terrorists into his government to keep control, which undermines any claims the government of Israel has to being the Good Guys. Primarily because of Evangelicals, the government of Israel has far too much influence in American politics. It’s not money, it’s not magic. It’s end-times prophecy and an eagerness to see somebody mistreating Muslims on the part of the Evangelicals, and for Netanyahu and his party it’s aligning with the party that will give them the greatest leeway and the least criticism.

When Obama was President, I watched as Obama and Sec. Clinton restating the longstanding policy of the United States regarding borders in an eventual peace agreement become characterized as a new and horrible assault on Israel.

It seems as if the worse the Israeli government acts, the less acceptable it has become to criticize it. This is not a workable state of affairs.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:55:26pm

re: #180 Man, DangerMan

Not trying to be countintuitive guy…processed food is bad…but it’s not “the stuff you can’t recognize” that makes it bad. It’s added sugar, added fat, and how many processed goods are at the foundation starch stamped into different shapes. For some people, the added sodium is an added layer of unhealthiness because they’re not getting enough potassium elsewhere in their diet.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2019 • 4:56:05pm

re: #186 KGxvi

You forgot the lobster, and “cheese” is way too generic, there should be at least three kinds of cheese

Yeah, but I was describing MINIMALIST Mack & Chi.

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Jay C  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:01:25pm

re: #170 Blind Frog Belly White

So, respectfully, are we just going to say that because she’s Muslim, she’s not allowed to publicly criticize the government of Israel, or the excessive influence the government of Israel has over US policy, because someone somewhere will find some hint of some antisemitic trope?

Unfortunately, the answer to this question is basically “yes”.

It shouldn’t be so, but political realities in this country are such that “Israel” - broadly defined - is one of those “third rail” issues that have little room for nuance or contrary opinions from the “orthodox” unconditional-and-unquestioning-support position.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:01:35pm

re: #192 lawhawk

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This helps the US how? This encourages countries to be our trading partner why?

Who benefits long run from this move? It isn’t the US (as always under Trump). Russia, OTOH, benefits because they can move in and shift trading to favor them.

Incirlik AFB probably has the nearest land-based nukes to Russia and Ukraine. It is also critical to air support all over SWA.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:08:00pm

re: #191 Patricia Kayden

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Good for Menendez. Generally not high in my estimation — but he deserves thanks for this.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:14:47pm

re: #170 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait, seriously? That’s it?

I’m starting to feel a bit less sympathy for the folks who keep accusing her of antisemitic tropes. She’s saying that she feels as if she’s being told she has to swear loyalty to Israel in order to serve in the US Congress, and Rep Vargas comes along and essentially says, “Yeah, you do.”

So, respectfully, are we just going to say that because she’s Muslim, she’s not allowed to publicly criticize the government of Israel, or the excessive influence the government of Israel has over US policy, because someone somewhere will find some hint of some antisemitic trope?

The problem is that “Follow the Benjamins,” and “loyalty to Israel” are specifically anti-Semitic tropes. She can criticize both Israeli policies and (some of) its US supporters without thoughtlessly picking up the usages that the worst of people have been using against Jews since forever.

And she’ll be criticized either way, but she won’t trigger those of us who follow the progress of various bigotries if she learns not to follow the usages of the wrong people.

(Some of the problem is that the current freshman class in Congress is mostly naive to the point of childishness in the foreign policy area. The ones I’ve heard all seem to think there are simple solutions to problems that have been around for decades if not centuries. I’m hoping that a little more exposure will teach them that no simple solutions exist — or they would have been solved by now.

(Of course none of this is meant to suggest that the Repug critics are to be listened to. They’re just as wrong, and they’re NEVER going to learn anything. )

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:17:24pm
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Belafon  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:18:00pm

re: #197 Jay C

Unfortunately, the answer to this question is basically “yes”.

It shouldn’t be so, but political realities in this country are such that “Israel” - broadly defined - is one of those “third rail” issues that have little room for nuance or contrary opinions from the “orthodox” unconditional-and-unquestioning-support position.

Remember when setting taxes on the rich at 70% was a third rail? That stopped because AOC said it out loud and a whole lot of Democrats finally went “that’s what we wanted to say.” There are plenty of valid criticisms of Isreal that get squashed because somehow Jews are being threatened. Omar is saying them, and Democrats need to stand with the criticisms.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:18:21pm
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MsJ  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:19:13pm

I’m Jewish. I can’t support Bibi in any way. I watched him shit on Obama with scary bomb cartoons. In our own house.

And we’re supposed to support that?

When Bibi becomes Israel and our support is contingent on him, I’m. Out.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:20:30pm

THREAD:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:23:42pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:24:47pm

Part of a discussion between Josh Marshall and NYC Southpaw on Twitter…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:24:58pm
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MsJ  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:25:21pm

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

THREAD:

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I think there are a great number of Jewish people who see the parallels of how Nazi Germany treated Jews and how trump, et al, are using the same rhetoric on Muslims (and generally on “Brown people”) and it’s scary to them.

Having studied the Holocaust, it scares me. And I’m younger than many of that generation. I imagine it’s terrifying to them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:25:35pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dude. That kid is amazing!

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retired cynic  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:26:20pm

re: #200 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

If you stretch “follow the Benjamins” I can see how that might be. But I don’t see how “loyalty to Israel” is an anti-Semitic trope.

Can you explain that to me?

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:27:45pm

re: #211 retired cynic

If you stretch “follow the Benjamins” I can see how that might be. But I don’t see how “loyalty to Israel” is an anti-Semitic trope.

Can you explain that to me?

Dual loyalties… it’s something that comes up regularly - that a Jew can’t be loyal to the country they live in and that they have loyalties elsewhere - to the Zionists (down the path of conspiracies) or to Israel (the nation state).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:27:54pm

re: #176 The Vicious Babushka

Dude did a pretty good job on that satire site.

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Citizen K  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:28:18pm

re: #204 MsJ

I’m Jewish. I can’t support Bibi in any way. I watched him shit on Obama with scary bomb cartoons. In our own house.

And we’re supposed to support that?

When Bibi becomes Israel and our support is contingent on him, I’m. Out.

Unfortunately, for far too many, Bibi = Israel = Judaism. That is the sad state we’re at now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:31:21pm

I wonder how many Rabbis are openly denouncing Netanyahu.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:31:54pm
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Citizen K  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:33:06pm

re: #212 lawhawk

Dual loyalties… it’s something that comes up regularly - that a Jew can’t be loyal to the country they live in and that they have loyalties elsewhere - to the Zionists (down the path of conspiracies) or to Israel (the nation state).

It’s the same attack that was leveled at Catholics before, that they had loyalty to the Vatican over America.

I mean, that said, the usage of ‘loyalty to Israel’ seemed aimed less at actual Jews in Congress and more at the Congressment who do act like they are essentially lobbying for the Israeli gov’t, the irony being most of them are fundie types ‘supporting’ Israel for the Rapture. But the way it was worded is definitely pretty loaded. At the same time, it’s hard to breach the subject without running into the ‘criticizing Israel is necessarily antisemitism’ dodge.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:34:00pm

how will we know when it happens?

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:34:35pm

So, going through some old stuff… photos and slides… and boy oh boy, nothing beats Kodachrome slides. Holy jeebus.

Slides are 50+ years old, and they look pristine. Colors are amazing and saturated. Glorious.

And getting something in my eye. Damnit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:36:28pm
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retired cynic  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:37:24pm

re: #212 lawhawk

Dual loyalties… it’s something that comes up regularly - that a Jew can’t be loyal to the country they live in and that they have loyalties elsewhere - to the Zionists (down the path of conspiracies) or to Israel (the nation state).

I can certainly see the point of what you just said. That makes sense. And I can understand dual loyalties, too. She is Somali, and probably has loyalty in her heart for Somalia and its people. I know people who live here who are from Lebanon, Israel and Palestine, and I expect them to have loyalties there.

Perhaps I misread her completely, but wasn’t the complaint that she was not pledging loyalty to Israel, not that she was accusing Jewish representatives of a formal dual loyalty? Sorry if I have it messed up.

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lawhawk  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:45:39pm
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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:46:14pm

re: #211 retired cynic

If you stretch “follow the Benjamins” I can see how that might be. But I don’t see how “loyalty to Israel” is an anti-Semitic trope.

Can you explain that to me?

Private because disgusting:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:47:36pm

re: #212 lawhawk

Dual loyalties… it’s something that comes up regularly - that a Jew can’t be loyal to the country they live in and that they have loyalties elsewhere - to the Zionists (down the path of conspiracies) or to Israel (the nation state).

But, you know, her point was the SHE is being asked to swear allegiance to Israel, as a prerequisite to serve in Congress.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:47:42pm

re: #201 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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No explanation needed.

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Citizen K  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:47:52pm

re: #222 lawhawk

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Which will inevitably be turned into absolute definitive proof that she IS running, by those who keep screaming for her to ‘go away’.

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:53:25pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

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how will we know when it happens?

Well yeah, Ben, most Cabinet members generally don’t stick around when the other party takes office.

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Teukka  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:58:23pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Am I too gloomy?

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 4, 2019 • 5:59:21pm

In an effort to get away from all the horribleness of Trumpland and also to teach myself something “new” I have been watching all my old favorite Disney movies… in French!

I took French in high school and college, even read Les Miserables in the original, but this project is… challenging.

Since all my old DVD’s are Region 1, it’s Quebec French.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:02:04pm

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

In an effort to get away from all the horribleness of Trumpland and also to teach myself something “new” I have been watching all my old favorite Disney movies… in French!

I took French in high school and college, even read Les Miserables in the original, but this project is… challenging.

Since all my old DVD’s are Region 1, it’s Quebec French.

Oui

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Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:02:15pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:02:36pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:03:24pm

Sleet and lightning tonight in Southern Alabama. (Not here—yet.)

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William Lewis  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:03:42pm

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

In an effort to get away from all the horribleness of Trumpland and also to teach myself something “new” I have been watching all my old favorite Disney movies… in French!

I took French in high school and college, even read Les Miserables in the original, but this project is… challenging.

Since all my old DVD’s are Region 1, it’s Quebec French.

That’s a neat idea. I don’t think I could do that with my remembered HS German, but perhaps with subtitles…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:04:06pm

re: #232 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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I was able to listen to 24 seconds. Never again.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:04:51pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heartbreaking, actually. We can do better.

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:05:47pm

re: #232 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Solyndra
“Fast & Furious”
IRS
Benghazi

And note, this is just the shit that the GOP relentlessly “investigated.” The long list of “outrages” was updated on practically an hourly basis by the time Obama left office.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:06:58pm

re: #236 Patricia Kayden

Heartbreaking, actually. We can do better.

We can, but there’s a good sized percentage of us that don’t want to.

And that’s a big problem.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:10:58pm

re: #237 Targetpractice

Solyndra
“Fast & Furious”
IRS
Benghazi

And note, this is just the shit that the GOP relentlessly “investigated.” The long list of “outrages” was updated on practically an hourly basis by the time Obama left office.

Christ, they were already licking their lips over all the investigations they were going to start before HRC even took office.

They’re absolutely shameless. People like Gym Jordan deserve to have interviewers loudly guffawing in their faces when they feign indignation at Trump being investigated. Interviewers should say, “Are you serious? Because we’ve got a medley of your greatest hits on Obama and Hillary Clinton all queued up to run. Shall we press play?”

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:14:26pm

‘92-‘00: “One of Congress’ most important roles is that oversight!”

‘01-08: “HOW DARE YOU RUN THESE INVESTIGATIONS WHILE THE PRESIDENT IS FOCUSED ON FIGHTING THE TERRORISTS!?”

‘09-‘16: “Look, we have a very important role in conducting oversight of the President’s actions.”

‘17-Present: “THIS IS HARASSMENT! THIS IS AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL COUP! HOW DARE THEY DO THIS?!”

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:16:04pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

FYI his right here is a good argument against carrying firearms at all if you don’t face a genuine, plausible threat. It also demonstrates why if you really feel that you must carry a gun in public that it’s generally a terrible idea to keep a round chambered in any semi auto that has a single action trigger mode, especially in a striker fired gun like the Glock. Basically the leather on this guy’s holster got so soft and pliable that it folded under and grabbed the trigger, causing an accidental discharge when he was trying to put on his seatbelt. He got lucky, only blew a hole in his pants and carseat and grazed his thigh.

Seriously, the vast majority of people have no business whatsoever carrying a gun out in public, and the few non law enforcement officers that do have no need to keep a round chambered in a semi auto. If that extra one in the pipe and the second it takes to rack the slide are the difference between life and death you were probably fucked anyway.

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Citizen K  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:17:14pm

I hope Mueller has some deadman’s switches set and the SDNY has some depositions ready, because looks like the federal gov’t ain’t gonna do shit to check Trump now.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:17:26pm
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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:17:29pm

re: #239 Blind Frog Belly White

Christ, they were already licking their lips over all the investigations they were going to start before HRC even took office.

They’re absolutely shameless. People like Gym Jordan deserve to have interviewers loudly guffawing in their faces when they feign indignation at Trump being investigated. Interviewers should say, “Are you serious? Because we’ve got a medley of your greatest hits on Obama and Hillary Clinton all queued up to run. Shall we press play?”

“It may seem like a lot, but the backlog is because you weren’t doing your job for the last two years.”

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:18:29pm

re: #242 Citizen K

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I hope Mueller has some deadman’s switches set and the SDNY has some depositions ready, because looks like the federal gov’t ain’t gonna do shit to check Trump now.

And the only people surprised are the folks who’ve slept through the last two years.

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CarolJ  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:19:04pm

I’m surprised she had to make it explicit she wasn’t running. No running around to primary states, no fundraising activity, not even a campaign website. That should be enough to make a statement without sacrificing her dignity. She was owed at least that-not having to lower herself to making an explicit statement.

One group that’s going to be very unhappy-make that two-Berners and Trumpers. No foil this time,. they have to actually campaign on ideas-which they clearly lack-and with people who are horribly inept and flawed.

In a way, it should have been clear all along. If she wanted a rematch, she could have simply kept the shell of a campaign staff and structure all along and announced much sooner than now. Instead she goes on a speaking tour, to Puerto Rico to help, starts a PAC, and resumes her speeches. Hardly activities
meant to enhance her electability.

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Belafon  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:22:40pm

re: #243 goddamnedfrank

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You don’t want to know, and I’m campaigning against her.

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:23:46pm

re: #246 CarolJ

I’m surprised she had to make it explicit she wasn’t running. No running around to primary states, no fundraising activity, not even a campaign website. That should be enough to make a statement without sacrificing her dignity. She was owed at least that-not having to lower herself to making an explicit statement.

One group that would be unhappy-make that two-Berners and Trumpers. No foil this time,. they have to actually campaign on ideas-which they clearly lack-and with people who are horribly inept and flawed.

It doesn’t matter whether she makes the statement or not, both groups will still run against her in this election. And both will run on the same theme: “Things are better than if Hillary had won!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:26:14pm

re: #246 CarolJ

I’m surprised she had to make it explicit she wasn’t running. No running around to primary states, no fundraising activity, not even a campaign website. That should be enough to make a statement without sacrificing her dignity. She was owed at least that-not having to lower herself to making an explicit statement.

One group that would be unhappy-make that two-Berners and Trumpers. No foil this time,. they have to actually campaign on ideas-which they clearly lack-and with people who are horribly inept and flawed.

Well, I mean, after all, she didn’t take the veil and renounce all worldly cares, and she’s steadfastly refused to simply vanish in a puff of disappointment. I mean, after other people lost their elections for President, they all set themeselves adrift on ice floes, never to be heard from again.
///

I mean, Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick, John Fucking McCain made himself a fixture on the Sunday talk shows, and people didn’t spent 2010 and 2011 saying, “Oh, my god! what if he runs again! Why can’t he just go away?”

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Charles Johnson  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:32:20pm
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CarolJ  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:32:43pm

re: #249 Blind Frog Belly White

So true. Neither was Romney asked to go away either. He could run for Senate, see if he could become Secretary of State. Kerry wasn’t asked to go away either, neither was Gore. But Hillary can’t even think about a political alternative, like going back to the Senate, trying for Governor. Hell, they would give her hell if she wanted to serve on the local school board. And writing a book and going on the road to promote it was unseemly. Now what was different about her, from them? Hmmm……

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:33:08pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

*Backs up slowly*

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Charles Johnson  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:36:56pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:39:01pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

WTH?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:43:07pm

Basically, I can no longer automatically cross-post to Facebook when I write something new. They’re trying to force people to use Facebook to post things on the internet.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:43:32pm

re: #249 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, I mean, after all, she didn’t take the veil and renounce all worldly cares, and she’s steadfastly refused to simply vanish in a puff of disappointment. I mean, after other people lost their elections for President, they all set themeselves adrift on ice floes, never to be heard from again.
///

I mean, Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick, John Fucking McCain made himself a fixture on the Sunday talk shows, and people didn’t spent 2010 and 2011 saying, “Oh, my god! what if he runs again! Why can’t he just go away?”

Speak for yourself!

I said that about McCain.

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CarolJ  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:46:20pm

re: #248 Targetpractice

And the more they do that, the less they will focus on the real people who are running who are not Hillary. Except for Bernie (who isn’t going to win the nomination this time either), the rest of the field so far is who? Things may change if Biden runs.

Trump has run out of cards that he can play here. “Socialism” isnt moving the millennials, and older folks have had twenty some odd years of not fearing it at all. When your example is a country few really know about like Venezuela, it isn’t going to be the boogeyman in this election. It’s been thirty years since people have looked around and been afraid to say really left things for fear that the FBI and other groups might think they are affiliated with some subversive group. So they are saying them now.

Not even the most horse and buggy mind looks for Reds under the bed, not since the only examples anyone can think of are broke Venezuela and broke Cuba, who can hardly keep together themselves, let alone infiltrate groups for some grand scheme of conquest. If an agent from Venezuela infiltrated a group here, he would be more likely to ask for a place to sleep, stay, and eat. We would pity him.

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ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:46:22pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

Basically, I can no longer automatically cross-post to Facebook when I write something new. They’re trying to force people to use Facebook to post things on the internet.

There is data to be mined from people that do not go to Facebook. They want everyone on Facebook, one way or another.

Or, they might take you away to the gulag.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:51:52pm

re: #195 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Not trying to be countintuitive guy…processed food is bad…but it’s not “the stuff you can’t recognize” that makes it bad. It’s added sugar, added fat, and how many processed goods are at the foundation starch stamped into different shapes. For some people, the added sodium is an added layer of unhealthiness because they’re not getting enough potassium elsewhere in their diet.

Just guidelines is all
I didn’t adopt the idea as a literal panacea
More like it resonated as guidelines and …if you can

Prepare more of your own food…if your lifestyle allows it
Use real ingredients..when you can
Learn to pay attention to your food
The more you do the more you become aware of things like how much sugar or salt is in this, is it part of a balanced diet etc

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:55:07pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

Basically, I can no longer automatically cross-post to Facebook when I write something new. They’re trying to force people to use Facebook to post things on the internet.

I’m on Team Fuck Facebook

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sagehen  Mar 4, 2019 • 6:56:45pm

re: #243 goddamnedfrank

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MsJ  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:00:53pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

Basically, I can no longer automatically cross-post to Facebook when I write something new. They’re trying to force people to use Facebook to post things on the internet.

Fuck Facebook.

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makeitstop  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:02:52pm

This is very cool: Pantone Releases a New Shade of Deep Purple to honor Prince

To honor late legend Prince, Pantone has released a new custom color: Love Symbol #2. Named after the singer-songwriter’s iconic emblem and inspired by his signature Yamaha piano and film, Purple Rain, the deep shade of purple perfectly captures the spirit of the master musician.

The recently released hue was developed by the Pantone Color Institute in collaboration with Prince’s estate. While its official label is PANTONE PQ-7448C, it has been nicknamed Love Symbol #2 as a reference to Mitch Monson’s well-known design. A combination of the symbols for male and female genders, the imagery embodies Prince’s open-minded approach to love and life—a sentiment also evident in his signature style and celebrated discography.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:04:12pm
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MsJ  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:07:14pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:09:02pm

re: #264 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Right, because never in the history of the Washington Post have the reporters delved into the dank and corrupt underbelly of an American presidency.

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mmmirele  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:12:51pm

Japan is set to outlaw corporal punishment.

japantimes.co.jp

It comes in the wake of some very disturbing cases of maltreatment of children by parents. For example:

Harrowing details in a case of child abuse emerged with the arrest June 6 of a couple over the death of their 5-year-old daughter.

In spite of beatings, a near-starvation diet and gross neglect, Yua Funato kept craving her parents’ approval, begging in a notebook to “please, please, please forgive me” and promising to be better behaved.

asahi.com

We can’t even have a discussion about this here in the USA because so many parents see it as their right and religious duty to beat the tar out of children. (See, for example, so-called “blanket training” where infants are put on a blanket and smacked with a wooden spoon if they crawl off.)

My mother used to beat us kids with a metal mesh flyswatter. She took that up after she broke a blood vessel in her hand whaling on us kids. Speaking only for myself, I can tell you all this did was make me into a better liar.

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sagehen  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:16:42pm

re: #142 KGxvi

Name those shared interests and values.

Their IT, medical and weapons R&D outclasses ours. Their special ops expertise is something we seek to emulate. Their intel re Islamic terrorist groups is decades ahead of what we can do.

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calochortus  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:17:51pm

re: #267 mmmirele

Umm, don’t those “blanket trainers” have access to playpens? I used to have one of those big expandable scissor action round things (unsafe because a child can get caught in the Vs at the top-but if you never leave the kid alone in it, it’s fine.) My favorite use for it was to put it around me with the kids outside it if I was doing something unsafe for kiddos. It was big enough to hold the ironing board, for example. Used to make my fellow moms laugh.

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calochortus  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:31:30pm

Ooooh! I’ve never killed a thread before. A first!

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plansbandc  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:32:31pm

re: #270 calochortus

Congratulations!! :D

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:32:42pm

We’re watching Fyre. Documentary about the disaster of a festival

It’s the trump admin

One guy in the center who lies, frauds and won’t take no for an answer
Surrounded by people who won’t tell him no
Leaving all the small people to not get paid and to take massive losses too

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calochortus  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:34:43pm

re: #271 plansbandc

Congratulations!! :D

A real milestone! ;)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:36:19pm

re: #265 MsJ

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America has prestigious media outlets. You just hate those who tell the truth about you and Tucker loves kissing your ass because that’s what FNC’s idiotic viewers want to hear.

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freetoken  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:38:28pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

Facebook is maddening.

What is worse, is that some fields of endeavor, like genealogy, have become very Facebook-centric, so if I want to connect to this or that genealogy group I’ve got to use Facebook.

And many people may not realize it but Instagram is just another wing of the empire.

Old people use Facebook, young people use Instagram, same company is mining the data, grandparents and grandchildren.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:42:05pm

re: #127 Belafon

Ok, so we can take Hickenlooper out of the running:

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Uh that didn’t work for Obama…

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calochortus  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:44:40pm

re: #275 freetoken

Facebook is maddening.

What is worse, is that some fields of endeavor, like genealogy, have become very Facebook-centric, so if I want to connect to this or that genealogy group I’ve got to use Facebook.

And many people may not realize it but Instagram is just another wing of the empire.

Old people use Facebook, young people use Instagram, same company is mining the data, grandparents and grandchildren.

I know, I miss out on a couple of obscure fiber-related interest groups on Facebook, but I just have never been able to make myself bother to sign up.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 4, 2019 • 7:55:07pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

You can’t even make macaroni and cheese with just 5 ingredients, fer chrissake.

1. Macaroni
2. Cheese
3. Milk
4. Butter
5. Flour
6. Salt
7. Pepper
8. Dry mustard
9. Breadcrumbs.

And that’s a simple recipe!

Mother used

Creamettes elbow macaroni,
Half and Half
Cubed Colby Cheese
Butter
Old Bay Seasoning

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 4, 2019 • 8:07:46pm

Wonder what has him ranting so late tonight.

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calochortus  Mar 4, 2019 • 8:14:03pm

re: #279 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Wonder what has him ranting so late tonight.

Fear? 81 requests for documents and more to come…

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 4, 2019 • 8:21:49pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 4, 2019 • 8:29:37pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2019 • 8:31:20pm

re: #279 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

[Embedded content]

Wonder what has him ranting so late tonight.

Anybody wanna ask Sean what a blow job from an intern had to do with fraudulent land deals in Arkansas?

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calochortus  Mar 4, 2019 • 8:33:21pm

re: #283 Targetpractice

Anybody wanna ask Sean what a blow job from an intern had to do with fraudulent land deals in Arkansas?

Wasn’t the law changed with regards to wide ranging investigations after/because of the unending Clinton investigations?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2019 • 8:36:17pm

re: #272 Man, DangerMan

We’re watching Fyre. Documentary about the disaster of a festival

It’s the trump admin

One guy in the center who lies, frauds and won’t take no for an answer
Surrounded by people who won’t tell him no
Leaving all the small people to not get paid and to take massive losses too

Well the Fyre Festival guy did go to Prison in the end…

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Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2019 • 8:36:32pm

re: #284 calochortus

Wasn’t the law changed with regards to wide ranging investigations after/because of the unending Clinton investigations?

The law wasn’t changed, Congress simply allowed the Ethics in Government Act to expire rather than renew it, which meant the disbanding of the DOJ Office of Special Counsel.

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calochortus  Mar 4, 2019 • 8:38:28pm

re: #286 Targetpractice

Thanks.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 4, 2019 • 8:38:37pm
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plansbandc  Mar 4, 2019 • 8:44:01pm

re: #288 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

He’s such an ignorant hateful prick.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 4, 2019 • 8:49:28pm

re: #204 MsJ

I’m Jewish. I can’t support Bibi in any way. I watched him shit on Obama with scary bomb cartoons. In our own house.

And we’re supposed to support that?

When Bibi becomes Israel and our support is contingent on him, I’m. Out.

I have hated Bibi since the 1990’s because of his role in contributing to the toxic atmosphere that led to the assassination of Rabin.

I was also infuriated with the reception Trump received at AIPAC from the audience in the 2016. Before then, I had been toying with the idea of attending the AIPAC annual meeting in 2017 but that turned me off to the organization. Netanyahu made clear his support for Republicans and the participants at AIPAC showed their enthusiasm for Trump in particular.


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