Seth Meyers Attic Sessions: Trump’s New Coronavirus Strategy Is “Live and Let Die”

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Citizen K  May 7, 2020 • 11:45:20am

I feel like we just got at least 3 months worth of shitty news packed into a week.

I can’t take this shit.

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2020 • 11:47:13am
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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2020 • 11:48:09am
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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 11:48:37am

So now we watch as Donny does a victory lap as he “pardons” Flynn for the crimes that he plead guilty to twice, while Bill Barr stands behind him with that shit-eating grin he always wears when he’s made his boss happy.

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2020 • 11:51:24am

This is just completely fucking unreal.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 11:53:17am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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To making false statements against the FBI. Bill Barr Table Brush: Russian Boogooloo sucks.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 11:55:38am

re: #4 Targetpractice

So now we watch as Donny does a victory lap as he “pardons” Flynn for the crimes that he plead guilty to twice, while Bill Barr stands behind him with that shit-eating grin he always wears when he’s made his boss happy.

He’s going to claim Barr dropping the charges proves NO COLLUSION and that no one has been treated worse than Flynn who he’ll give an award and praise. And Trump will have a General in addition to a SEAL who disgraced the armed forces by his side.

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2020 • 11:56:36am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2020 • 11:59:41am

Why do I suspect we’ll see a report of Trump re-hiring Flynn by the end of the week?

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 7, 2020 • 11:59:48am

WSJ:

“Large parts of Europe have been ravaged by the pandemic, but Germany has fared better. While it has seen roughly the same number of diagnosed infections as similar-size neighbors—Italy, Spain, France, the U.K.—it has registered only about one-quarter as many deaths.”

“And German authorities, unlike those in Italy and Spain, gave all factories the option to stay open through the pandemic. More than 80% of them did so, and only one-quarter have canceled investments.”

Key lessons: “Businesses implemented strict safety rules early on. Managers involved unions and employees in safety planning. Regional governments moved quickly to test and trace chains of infection. And strong ties to China, where many German firms have operations, gave companies a jump on planning.”

then there’s the trump approach….and results

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Citizen K  May 7, 2020 • 12:00:54pm

The thin veneer through which they’re saying that any previous case they might have had against Flynn is wrong and super evil and there was totally no crime here at all, nope, no siree.

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lawhawk  May 7, 2020 • 12:01:21pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

Why do I suspect we’ll see a report of Trump re-hiring Flynn by the end of the week?

Because there isn’t anyone else willing to work there, so he’s got to recycle the golden oldies.

It’s corruption all the way down. Trump and Barr have completely and utterly destroyed the nonpartisan nature of the DOJ. It’s now directly to protect Trump at all costs, including the rule of law and the Constitution.

They don’t care about anyone or anything else.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 7, 2020 • 12:03:12pm

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The Pie Overlord!  May 7, 2020 • 12:03:46pm

How could 2020 suck even more?
2020: Hold my beer.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 7, 2020 • 12:04:21pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

Why do I suspect we’ll see a report of Trump re-hiring Flynn by the end of the week?

Yup

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 7, 2020 • 12:04:41pm

Left on the last thread, because I’m slow:

re: #257 Charles Johnson

And we don’t even know yet if herd immunity works with this virus. It has not been established that people can’t be reinfected after recovering once.

re: #351 Anymouse 🌹🏡

And if exposure to diseases conferred herd immunity, we wouldn’t have diseases.

Measles infected nearly everyone, yet measles still exists. It was nearly wiped out until the anti-vaxxers helped bring it back.

Mumps was the same way. Thanks to the anti-vaxxer who almost killed me in 2012.

Chickenpox never was wiped out either until a vaccine came along.

Smallpox was around for thousands of years until a vaccine programme wiped it out.

Tuberculosis is still around today and its been around for thousands of years.

Diseases do not confer herd immunity. Vaccines do. Herd immunity depends on the particular disease. We will not have herd immunity from Covid-19 until we have a vaccine; this is the new normal.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2020 • 12:04:56pm

re: #14 The Pie Overlord!

How could 2020 suck even more?
2020: Hold my beer.

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I admit I stared at that for a few minutes before it dawned on me what AHS even was. As you might guess, I don’t care much for that show.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 12:06:08pm

re: #11 Citizen K

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The thin veneer through which they’re saying that any previous case they might have had against Flynn is wrong and super evil and there was totally no crime here at all, nope, no siree.

They’re basically going with Powell’s “if an undercover cop lies and says he’s not a cop, then it’s entrapment” argument that the FBI investigators interviewed Flynn without telling him that he was the subject of an FBI investigation.

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EPR-radar  May 7, 2020 • 12:06:25pm

re: #17 Eclectic Cyborg

I admit I stared at that for a few minutes before it dawned on me what AHS even was. As you might guess, I don’t care much for that show.

There’s not much of a reason to have a fictional American Horror Story with reality being such an American Horror Story.

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stpaulbear  May 7, 2020 • 12:06:39pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

Why do I suspect we’ll see a report of Trump re-hiring Flynn by the end of the week?

Can any states bring charges against him?

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plansbandc  May 7, 2020 • 12:06:57pm

This “president” is utterly lawless. It’s quaint that people think he’s going to accept leaving office ever.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2020 • 12:07:36pm

I am well and truly frightened. As the pandemic continues to rip through communities all across the country and the election gets closer, Trumpco is going to get worse, and I can’t comprehend what worse is going to look like.

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goddamnedfrank  May 7, 2020 • 12:07:38pm
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Citizen K  May 7, 2020 • 12:08:25pm

re: #19 EPR-radar

There’s not much of a reason to have a fictional American Horror Story with reality being such an American Horror Story.

I mean, this is exactly the reason why Black Mirror is delaying its latest season by the show creator’s own admission.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 7, 2020 • 12:08:42pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

It’s a party at my Twitter. Click and see. @teleskiguy

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 7, 2020 • 12:08:48pm
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jaunte  May 7, 2020 • 12:08:50pm
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Teukka  May 7, 2020 • 12:09:51pm

Now playing in this lizardims lair:

X-X

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Belafon  May 7, 2020 • 12:10:05pm

re: #21 plansbandc

This “president” is utterly lawless. It’s quaint that people think he’s going to accept leaving office ever.

Once again, it doesn’t matter if he accepts it or not. There is no “The president has to turn over the keys to the White House before the new one can take over.”

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plansbandc  May 7, 2020 • 12:10:21pm

re: #22 Teddy’s Person

Nukes, disappearing of his enemies. Death rate from virus 15 k a day. Welcome to the end of the world.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  May 7, 2020 • 12:10:36pm

I’m sure this has already been covered in another thread, but can I just say that Jacob Wohl really needs to get arrested for conspiracy, fraud, and anything else prosecutors can think up, up to & including picking your toes in Poughkeepsie.

She Said Anthony Fauci Sexually Assaulted Her. Now She Says Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman Paid Her to Lie.

She wants the men to admit they are trying to bring down a person who in no part deserves it.

“Let me tell you something, Diana,” says Burkman. “This guy shut the country down. He put 40 million people out of work. In a situation like that, you have to make up whatever you have to make up to stop that train and that’s the way life works, OK? That’s the way it goes.”

Andrade counters that he and Wohl are not taking COVID-19 seriously. “It’s not just any virus. I mean, it’s a huge deal….I think you guys think it’s something made up, and it’s not.”

“Mother Nature has to clean the barn every so often,” Burkman counters. “How real is it? Who knows? So what if 1 percent of the population goes? So what if you lose 400,000 people? Two hundred thousand were elderly, the other 200,000 are the bottom of society. You got to clean out the barn. If it’s real, it’s a positive thing, for God’s sake.”

If there is any justice in this world, in about a month, these two shitheels will be desperately gasping their last in a tent in a parking lot.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 7, 2020 • 12:10:55pm

re: #17 Eclectic Cyborg

I admit I stared at that for a few minutes before it dawned on me what AHS even was. As you might guess, I don’t care much for that show.

American Home Shield, The home warranty leader?

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plansbandc  May 7, 2020 • 12:11:33pm

re: #29 Belafon

It will be civil war.

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Belafon  May 7, 2020 • 12:13:19pm

re: #33 plansbandc

It will be civil war.

If it comes down to that, then we’ll all have to pick a side.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 12:13:45pm

re: #21 plansbandc

This “president” is utterly lawless. It’s quaint that people think he’s going to accept leaving office ever.

His term ends on Jan 21, 2021, whether he wishes to acknowledge it or not. And he’d require either the cooperation of the House Dems to change that or any other election laws that require his ass to be gone by that date. If he refuses to leave, the newly-sworn president just orders the Secret Service and/or US Marshalls to haul his ass out the front gate. The moment the election’s winner takes the oath of office, Donny ceases to have any power whatsoever.

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Jack Burton  May 7, 2020 • 12:15:04pm

I got CL’ed while writing this up…

re: #253 lawhawk

What percentage of the population has to be exposed to get us herd immunity?
50%? 70% 95%?

And that means how many people have to die to get there? Less than 3% of the population has been exposed to date. 75,000 dead Americans. Now, let’s do the fucking math. How many die to get us to herd immunity? 30% gets you 750,000 dead. 60% gets you 1.5 million.

Last estimate that I have read of R-naught (R0) for COVID-19 is actually 5.7 which is huge. This according to: healthline.com

Herd Immunity is figured out from an equation:

Herd Immunity Decimal > 1 - (1/R0)

Via: plus.maths.org (They are estimating 2.5 for R0, which is old info as far as I know)

x > 1-(1/5.7)
x > .825

So in this case herd immunity would require a greater than 82.5% of the population to either be infected & survive or vaccinated. Even if R0 is actually 2.5, that’s still 60%. Relying on herd immunity outside of a vaccine is asinine.

Added: Especially when we don’t even know for sure if people produce enough antibodies to ensure immunity for at least a short time.

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plansbandc  May 7, 2020 • 12:15:36pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

According to the rule of law.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 12:15:59pm

re: #26 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

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She passes on interviews with Chris Wallace and Don Lemon because “security concerns,” but she does a face-to-face “interview” with Megyn Kelly.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2020 • 12:16:20pm

re: #21 plansbandc

This “president” is utterly lawless. It’s quaint that people think he’s going to accept leaving office ever.

Oh, I think he’ll leave because he and his cronies will have extracted all they can from the country by then.

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Belafon  May 7, 2020 • 12:18:33pm

And the side most of my conservative coworkers will pick is “I’m going to work.”

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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  May 7, 2020 • 12:18:56pm

re: #7 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

He’s going to claim Barr dropping the charges proves NO COLLUSION and that no one has been treated worse than Flynn who he’ll give an award and praise. And Trump will have a General in addition to a SEAL who disgraced the armed forces by his side.

I can only hope that the judge that this is brought before slaps down Barr HARD on it and denies the motion to dismiss.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 12:19:33pm

re: #37 plansbandc

According to the rule of law.

Yes, according to Constitutional, federal, and state laws governing our elections and the peaceful transfer of power.

Come Jan 21st, the man ceases to have any authority whatsoever.

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lawhawk  May 7, 2020 • 12:20:57pm

re: #36 Jack Burton

Appreciate the deep dive into the math behind herd immunity (assuming there’s a fucking vaccine).

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Hecuba's daughter  May 7, 2020 • 12:21:10pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

His term ends on Jan 21, 2021, whether he wishes to acknowledge it or not. And he’d require either the cooperation of the House Dems to change that or any other election laws that require his ass to be gone by that date. If he refuses to leave, the newly-sworn president just orders the Secret Service and/or US Marshalls to haul his ass out the front gate. The moment the election’s winner takes the oath of office, Donny ceases to have any power whatsoever.

This all assumes that there will be an election — or that there will be something approximating a fair election. Who knows what this corrupt SCOTUS will authorize, including elections like Wisconsin where essentially all polling places were closed? We did win that one — but next time the Republicans will be even better prepared to stop voters.

What happens if there is VBM, and most ballots disappear? There is no evil that the Republicans will not support, and there are tens of millions of voters who are perfectly in agreement with that. However if the Democrats do win on November 3, I agree that we will take over and not even Barr will stoop so low to stop that.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 12:22:00pm

Lre: #41 Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!

I can only hope that the judge that this is brought before slaps down Barr HARD on it and denies the motion to dismiss.

Seriously it’s a complete contempt for justice. It’s typical Barr though, a GOP apparatchik to the bitter end.

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Belafon  May 7, 2020 • 12:23:05pm

re: #37 plansbandc

According to the rule of law.

And that part of the law stops when we stop observing it. The date that you need to worry about is the date the EVs are certified. At that moment, it’s all over except for the arresting. Because once those are certified, the taking over of the office is just a ceremony.

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lawhawk  May 7, 2020 • 12:23:22pm
Click to Reveal

So, the Mrs. just found out that her boss and the boss’s husband just got results back of antibody tests for covid19. Came back positive. They both had been sick in March, including fevers and coughs, and malaise.

Turns out that’s exactly what they had. Both made a complete recovery.

That now makes 4 people I know personally and directly that have had covid19.

Fuck Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 12:23:29pm

re: #44 Hecuba’s daughter

This all assumes that there will be an election — or that there will be something approximating a fair election. Who knows what this corrupt SCOTUS will authorize, including elections like Wisconsin where essentially all polling places were closed? We did win that one — but next time the Republicans will be even better prepared to stop voters.

What happens if there is VBM, and most ballots disappear? There is no evil that the Republicans will not support, and there are tens of millions of voters who are perfectly in agreement with that. However if the Democrats do win on November 3, I agree that we will take over and not even Barr will stoop so low to stop that.

Okay let me put something out there so people stop with the Trump will cancel the election. This isn’t and it hasn’t ever been one election, it’s 50 state elections and DC. Trump has no direct authority in our elections.

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Dr. Matt  May 7, 2020 • 12:25:41pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 7, 2020 • 12:25:49pm

Anybody have the GIF of the release from treatment card handy? My idiot niece has turned into a branch covidian and is drinking the cool-aid.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 12:26:41pm

re: #44 Hecuba’s daughter

This all assumes that there will be an election — or that there will be something approximating a fair election. Who knows what this corrupt SCOTUS will authorize, including elections like Wisconsin where essentially all polling places were closed? We did win that one — but next time the Republicans will be even better prepared to stop voters.

What happens if there is VBM, and most ballots disappear? There is no evil that the Republicans will not support, and there are tens of millions of voters who are perfectly in agreement with that. However if the Democrats do win on November 3, I agree that we will take over and not even Barr will stoop so low to stop that.

I find it easier to assume that the elections will continue forward as intended rather than chasing down rabbit holes about legal challenges and endless speculation about how the DOJ could totally undermine the electoral results. Mostly because we heard all this in 2018 and yet the elections went on as planned and the Repubs lost badly.

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jaunte  May 7, 2020 • 12:27:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2020 • 12:29:11pm
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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 12:29:30pm

re: #49 Dr. Matt

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Apparently the DOJ’s argument is if an FBI investigator asks you questions about something that you’re not being investigated for, you lie to them, and they slap you with a criminal charge for knowingly lying to them…you’re not guilty of anything because the only answers that matter are to the matter being investigated.

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Jack Burton  May 7, 2020 • 12:29:57pm

re: #51 Targetpractice

I find it easier to assume that the elections will continue forward as intended rather than chasing down rabbit holes about legal challenges and endless speculation about how the DOJ could totally undermine the electoral results. Mostly because we heard all this in 2018 and yet the elections went on as planned and the Repubs lost badly.

“Our side” also said this same shit in 2004 and 2008 about GWB.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 7, 2020 • 12:30:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2020 • 12:30:05pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 7, 2020 • 12:30:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2020 • 12:31:02pm
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The Pie Overlord!  May 7, 2020 • 12:31:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2020 • 12:31:55pm
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stpaulbear  May 7, 2020 • 12:32:10pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s cool with his staff dying.

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plansbandc  May 7, 2020 • 12:32:57pm

I genuinely hope you guys are right this time and he actually follows the rule of law. But he’s hasn’t been inclined to do so ever.

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Belafon  May 7, 2020 • 12:34:15pm

re: #63 plansbandc

I genuinely hope you guys are right this time and he actually follows the rule of law. But he’s hasn’t been inclined to do so ever.

He doesn’t have to follow the rule of law. It doesn’t matter if he follows the rule of law or not.

It will take a whole lot of other people not following the rule of law for what you’re talking about to happen. And that is by definition the end of the rule of law.

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calochortus  May 7, 2020 • 12:35:37pm

re: #63 plansbandc

I genuinely hope you guys are right this time and he actually follows the rule of law. But he’s hasn’t been inclined to do so ever.

Assuming you mean the election and leaving office, it’s not up to Trump as to whether he follows the law. He will no longer have the authority under the law as perceived by pretty much everyone else that matters. He can say he’s not leaving, but people will just ignore his dictates at that point.

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2020 • 12:35:40pm

Don’t be surprised if we see Trump try to arrest and prosecute Barack Obama. He’s very clearly gearing up to do that.

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Belafon  May 7, 2020 • 12:35:51pm

The certification of who is president is not done by the executive branch.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 12:36:09pm

re: #55 Jack Burton

“Our side” also said this same shit in 2004 and 2008 about GWB.

I’ll give you Bush v. Gore in 2000, what what happened in 2004?

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Belafon  May 7, 2020 • 12:36:30pm

re: #65 calochortus

Assuming you mean the election and leaving office, it’s not up to Trump as to whether he follows the law. He will no longer have the authority under the law as perceived by pretty much everyone else that matters. He can say he’s not leaving, but people will just ignore his dictates at that point.

We’ll be dancing at the White House as he’s dragged out in hand cuffs.

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plansbandc  May 7, 2020 • 12:37:18pm

re: #64 Belafon

Exactly.

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Belafon  May 7, 2020 • 12:37:28pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

I’ll give you Bush v. Gore in 2000, what what happened in 2004?

There was talk in 2004 and 2008 by Democrats that Bush would either cancel or ignore the election.

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calochortus  May 7, 2020 • 12:37:31pm

re: #69 Belafon

We’ll be dancing at the White House as he’s dragged out in hand cuffs.

Almost makes one hope he refuses to go and does have to be dragged out.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 12:38:54pm

re: #64 Belafon

He doesn’t have to follow the rule of law. It doesn’t matter if he follows the rule of law or not.

It will take a whole lot of other people not following the rule of law for what you’re talking about to happen. And that is by definition the end of the rule of law.

Correct. In order for Trump to retain power in the event that he loses the election, virtually every federal agency would have to ignore the rule of law in order to continue taking orders from him.

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Mike Lamb  May 7, 2020 • 12:38:58pm

Help me out here…wasn’t Flynn prosecuted under Trump’s DOJ?

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Florida Panhandler  May 7, 2020 • 12:39:17pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Don’t be surprised if we see Trump try to arrest and prosecute Barack Obama. He’s very clearly gearing up to do that.

If so, there will be blood in the streets. Very literally.

…Which is what the far right wing wacko white supremacist guild has been itching for for decades, and prodding Trump and his brainless conspiracy-addled mind to do ever since they decided to attach their hopes to their useful idiot Presidential candidate.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 12:39:20pm

re: #71 Belafon

There was talk in 2004 and 2008 by Democrats that Bush would either cancel or ignore the election.

Which I think was unmerited. I think Bush had the wrong view of executive power but he’s not hostile to democracy when it doesn’t go his way.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 12:39:33pm

re: #74 Mike Lamb

Help me out here…wasn’t Flynn prosecuted under Trump’s DOJ?

Yep

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calochortus  May 7, 2020 • 12:39:53pm

re: #74 Mike Lamb

Help me out here…wasn’t Flynn prosecuted under Trump’s DOJ?

Yes, but it was early on. You know, when we still had a DOJ.

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Jack Burton  May 7, 2020 • 12:41:01pm

re: #71 Belafon

There was talk in 2004 and 2008 by Democrats that Bush would either cancel or ignore the election.

For the most part, not by Democrats in actual power, but the lay-people. It was all over the internet. A regular talking point on Daily Kos, DU, etc.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 12:41:54pm

re: #74 Mike Lamb

Help me out here…wasn’t Flynn prosecuted under Trump’s DOJ?

He was under investigation in the period after the election and before Sessions was made AG. Thus the wingnut belief is that the Obama admin went after him with the intent of either humiliating Trump or (depending on who you listen to) trying to force him into making false statements to incriminate Donny himself.

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jaunte  May 7, 2020 • 12:41:58pm
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Mike Lamb  May 7, 2020 • 12:42:21pm

re: #11 Citizen K

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The thin veneer through which they’re saying that any previous case they might have had against Flynn is wrong and super evil and there was totally no crime here at all, nope, no siree.

It wasn’t “material” to any investigation. Help me here:

1. Is that even an element of the crime?
2. And if it wasn’t “material” to any investigation, why was he lying in the first instance?

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 12:42:59pm

re: #79 Jack Burton

For the most part, not by Democrats in actual power, but the lay-people. It was all over the internet. A regular talking point on Daily Kos, DU, etc.

Ayep. Every 4 years, the side out of power runs around with its hair on fire about “canceled elections” and “martial law.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 7, 2020 • 12:43:07pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Don’t be surprised if we see Trump try to arrest and prosecute Barack Obama. He’s very clearly gearing up to do that.

I’ve said all along that Trump will arrest Obama and Hillary. And I will not be surprised to see him have Hunter Biden arrested.

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2020 • 12:43:46pm

re: #71 Belafon

There was talk in 2004 and 2008 by Democrats that Bush would either cancel or ignore the election.

Bush was a bad president, but he did respect the office and the constitution (in that odd way conservatives have) and I never believed he’d try to cancel the election.

Bush was probably the last Republican president who will be remembered as not completely insane. Because after Trump they’re all going to try to emulate him.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 12:44:27pm

re: #79 Jack Burton

For the most part, not by Democrats in actual power, but the lay-people. It was all over the internet. A regular talking point on Daily Kos, DU, etc.

I was at DU, I can vouch for that. I was sorta dumb about it in 2003 but once I saw Bush actually lose power in 2006 and not be a dick to Pelosi and Reid about it, I wasn’t worried about 2008. Bush likewise not being a dick to the Obamas is another thing.

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2020 • 12:45:49pm

I’m so old I remember when “not being a dick” was normal.

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goddamnedfrank  May 7, 2020 • 12:46:49pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 12:46:57pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

Ayep. Every 4 years, the side out of power runs around with its hair on fire about “canceled elections” and “martial law.”

I definitely think Trump will be bitter to the end but the Secret Service and Marines who guard the WH aren’t going to accept a President who refuses to accept the democratic process.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 12:50:14pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

I’m so old I remember when “not being a dick” was normal.

Yeah acknowledging the change of hands in Congress is a low barrier.

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Jack Burton  May 7, 2020 • 12:50:40pm

re: #89 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I definitely think Trump will be bitter to the end but the Secret Service and Marines who guard the WH aren’t going to accept a President who refuses to accept the democratic process.

They likely won’t say anything but I have a good feeling that the Secret Service isn’t a fan and won’t put up with any of that bullshit.

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jaunte  May 7, 2020 • 12:51:24pm

Yeah, the mortality rate really suffers from all those people dying. Look into that.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 12:52:14pm

re: #92 jaunte

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Yeah, the mortality rate really suffers from all those people dying. Look into that.

“We have a low morality rate…if you just take out the high morality rate.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 12:52:15pm

re: #82 Mike Lamb

It wasn’t “material” to any investigation. Help me here:

1. Is that even an element of the crime?
2. And if it wasn’t “material” to any investigation, why was he lying in the first instance?

It’s bullshit anyhow. He lied to investigators investigating election interference and was an unregistered agent of a foreign government. Barr is scum. Worst AG in our country’s history in a long time maybe ever.

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KGxvi  May 7, 2020 • 12:52:24pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Bush was a bad president, but he did respect the office and the constitution (in that odd way conservatives have) and I never believed he’d try to cancel the election.

Bush was probably the last Republican president who will be remembered as not completely insane. Because after Trump they’re all going to try to emulate him.

Not if he loses. He will be memory holed if he loses. Suddenly, like Nixon who won 60% of the vote in 1972, you won’t be able to find anyone who actually voted for him, either time.

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jaunte  May 7, 2020 • 12:53:07pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

Our numbers would be a lot better with some motivated overlooking.

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jaunte  May 7, 2020 • 12:54:42pm
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Eventual Carrion  May 7, 2020 • 12:56:18pm

re: #14 The Pie Overlord!

How could 2020 suck even more?
2020: Hold my beer.

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Guess we shouldn’t have left them home alone

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Jack Burton  May 7, 2020 • 12:59:22pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Don’t be surprised if we see Trump try to arrest and prosecute Barack Obama. He’s very clearly gearing up to do that.

Right now, he might be simply building a talking point to use against Biden in the election. “See what he did when he was VP!!!111!!!11ty”

I’d worry about prosecution after the election if he wins.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2020 • 12:59:48pm

re: #92 jaunte

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Yeah, the mortality rate really suffers from all those people dying. Look into that.

I don’t have a source (cause I’m too lazy to look for it right now) but I read recently that with NY included we’re on a plateau or bit of a downturn but if you take NY out we’re still going up. Meaning NY is getting a handle on it while other states haven’t peaked yet.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 12:59:51pm

Lre: #95 KGxvi

Not if he loses. He will be memory holed if he loses. Suddenly, like Nixon who won 60% of the vote in 1972, you won’t be able to find anyone who actually voted for him, either time.

It’s going to be interesting to watch where they go post Trump. It brings to mind the same question I have of the British Labour Party post Corbyn.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2020 • 1:00:52pm

re: #101 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

L

It’s going to be interesting to watch where they go post Trump. It brings to mind the same question I have of the British Labour Party post Corbyn.

It better be fucking jail.

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gocart mozart  May 7, 2020 • 1:01:28pm

Pink Floyd - The Fletcher Memorial Home
[Slightly revised lyrics]

Take all your overgrown infants away somewhere
And build them a home, a little place of their own.
The Trumper Memorial
Home for Incurable MAGAts and Prigs.

And they can appear to themselves every day
On closed circuit T.V.
To make sure they’re still real.
It’s the only connection they feel.
“Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome, D. J. Trump and Pence,
Mr. Barr and friends, Ms. Ivanka and Jared,
“Hello Melania!”
Mr. McConnell and party.
“Who’s the bald chap?”
The ghost of McCarthy,
The memories of Nixon.
“Good-bye!”
And now, adding color, a group of anonymous corporate
American meat packing glitterati.

Did they expect us to treat them with any respect?
They can polish their medals and sharpen their
Smiles, and amuse themselves playing games for awhile.
Boom boom, bang bang, lie down you’re dead.

Safe in the permanent gaze of a cold glass eye
With their favorite toys
They’ll be good girls and boys
In the Trumper Memorial Home for Deplorable
Wasters of life and limb.
Is everyone in?
Are you having a nice time?
Now the final solution can be applied.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 1:03:53pm

re: #102 Teddy’s Person

It better be fucking jail.

I meant the direction of the party and right as a whole. Trump and all them definitely need to be on trial.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 7, 2020 • 1:04:09pm

re: #89 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I definitely think Trump will be bitter to the end but the Secret Service and Marines who guard the WH aren’t going to accept a President who refuses to accept the democratic process.

Maybe.

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gocart mozart  May 7, 2020 • 1:04:57pm
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ckkatz  May 7, 2020 • 1:05:46pm

re: #105 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Maybe.

Is that a definite ‘Maybe’? :)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 1:05:55pm

re: #105 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Maybe.

I think you underestimate how much he’s pissed off military lifers.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 1:06:59pm

File411 is posting the (redacted) filing by the DOJ and it is just flabbergasting in its audacity:

After years of whining about how much “damage” Comey did to the FBI, the DOJ just tossed the entire agency under the bus and is now repeatedly running over them.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 7, 2020 • 1:07:56pm

re: #108 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I think you underestimate how much he’s pissed off military lifers.

I agree with that but he surrounds himself with sycophants, hangers on and true Scotsman. I’m sure there are secret service folks who love him.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2020 • 1:08:05pm

re: #104 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I meant the direction of the party and right as a whole. Trump and all them definitely need to be on trial.

When (I’m trying to stay positive) Trump loses bigly, they’ll seek shelter with the never-Trumpers claiming they only stayed in Trump’s administration to protect the nation. They’ll return to saying the quiet parts in private and continue giving things Orwellian names like the right to work.

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gocart mozart  May 7, 2020 • 1:08:21pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 7, 2020 • 1:09:25pm

re: #95 KGxvi

Not if he loses. He will be memory holed if he loses. Suddenly, like Nixon who won 60% of the vote in 1972, you won’t be able to find anyone who actually voted for him, either time.

Nixon was the product of a very different time, when Republican politicians could still be shamed.

A lot of work has been done since then to insulate them from that.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 1:11:33pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

Nixon was the product of a very different time, when Republican politicians could still be shamed.

A lot of work has been done since then to insulate them from that.

Bigger than that: A lot of work has gone into rehabilitating Nixon’s legacy into one of a man who did nothing wrong other than “getting caught.” His legacy is now of a president who was every bit as corrupt as “the other side,” but they managed to catch him doing it first.

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Jack Burton  May 7, 2020 • 1:12:45pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

Nixon was the product of a very different time, when Republican politicians could still be shamed.

A lot of work has been done since then to insulate them from that.

Bush was memory holed too. That was one of the points of the Tea Party.

“I’m an independent constitutional conservative!” (If I could only write it in the pseudo southern accent that BlueGal uses when she says that.)

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2020 • 1:13:05pm

I’ve been trolling the net for something to pierce my bitter, jaded heart.

With Pride festivals around the nation canceled or postponed, LGBTQ Nation is bringing the celebration to you with our new series “Flashes of Pride.” We’ll look back at some of our community’s finest moments from the past few years as a reminder that no matter what life throws our way, queer people will fight our way through it and dance when we hit the other side.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 1:13:54pm

re: #111 Teddy’s Person

When (I’m trying to stay positive) Trump loses bigly, they’ll seek shelter with the never-Trumpers claiming they only stayed in Trump’s administration to protect the nation. They’ll return to saying the quiet parts in private and continue giving things Orwellian names like the right to work.

Yeah they’ll move on to the next grift. And I think Don Jr is already on to that with the OANN story. Remember Trump Tv?

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goddamnedfrank  May 7, 2020 • 1:14:10pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

Nixon was the product of a very different time, when Republican politicians could still be shamed.

A lot of work has been done since then to insulate them from that.

Posted too early. My point is that work is reflected in the mindset of the Republican base.

I think percentage wise there are going to be a lot more diehard Trump supporters after his eventual fall than there were for Nixon.

And they’ll be heavily armed. The difference is partially that in the 1970’s the white identity movement was much more fragmented and fringe. Most people couldn’t realistically see the loss of a white majority in their lifetimes.

This, what we’re witnessing now, is them raging against the dying of the light.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 1:15:48pm

re: #115 Jack Burton

Bush was memory holed too. That was one of the points of the Tea Party.

“I’m an independent constitutional conservative!” (If I could only write it in the pseudo southern accent that BlueGal uses when she says that.)

Yep Paul Ryan rebranding himself as a budget hawk despite voting for the Bush items that contributed to the debt.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 7, 2020 • 1:18:25pm

I can see a GOP strategy in assuring that the 2020 elections are a clusterfuck of epic Trumpian proportions, at which point they will cite “irregularities” to call the outcome into question unless they manage to actually win, at which point they will insist “it’s a done deal, live with it!” and set about arresting Obama and Hillary for obstruction of justice.

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jaunte  May 7, 2020 • 1:19:34pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 7, 2020 • 1:21:44pm

re: #121 jaunte

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OMG, Covid turns healthy hetero men gay?

Proof that it is from an evil scientist lab!

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 1:22:07pm

It’s looking like the DOJ’s argument is so thoroughly hypocritical that it’s impossible to imagine that it’s for any reason than doing Donny a political favor. Their argument is that the FBI should never have interviewed Flynn, that they shouldn’t have interviewed him without counsel present, and they should have told him that lying to them was a federal offense.

At this point, the odds that Judge Sullivan doesn’t grant the motion are slim, but the odds that he gelds the whole fucking lot of them for the audacity of this filing are pretty high.

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jaunte  May 7, 2020 • 1:22:31pm

The need for urogenital tract monitoring in COVID-19
Shangqian Wang, Xiang Zhou, Tongtong Zhang & Zengjun Wang

Nature Reviews Urology (2020)
nature.com[no phone numbers allowed]-7

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lawhawk  May 7, 2020 • 1:24:12pm

re: #121 jaunte

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So, it’s got the potential to make men infertile.

Well, the human race has had quite the run. Trump’s done gone and fucked it all to hell. I await the SMOD.

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jaunte  May 7, 2020 • 1:24:59pm

“…This study showed that the testosterone to luteinizing hormone (T to LH) ratio in 81 patients with COVID-19 was dramatically decreased in comparison with 100 age-matched healthy counterparts (patients with COVID-19: 0.74; healthy men: 1.31, P < 0.0001). Serum T to LH ratio (as a predictor of male gonadal function) could be a potential marker of impairment of reproductive health by SARS-CoV-2 (ref.2).”

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2020 • 1:26:07pm

re: #125 lawhawk

So, it’s got the potential to make men infertile.

Well, the human race has had quite the run. Trump’s done gone and fucked it all to hell. I await the SMOD.

No problemo. The nation can restock its precious bodily essences from stock that isn’t so impacted, like Mexico.

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jaunte  May 7, 2020 • 1:26:41pm

Those 14 words assholes won’t take this as a reason to wear a mask, though.

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goddamnedfrank  May 7, 2020 • 1:29:49pm

re: #121 jaunte

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That should definitely calm down the population control conspiracy theorists and for sure won’t get them ranting bout having their nuts shriveled by China.

Today is a fuckin’ lot.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 7, 2020 • 1:30:15pm

re: #121 jaunte

I suppose being a twatwaffle, fuck the mask, I need a haircut, etc. really will be a self-limiting thing. Their not being to reproduce is something.

Sorry for everyone else, though.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2020 • 1:32:40pm

Kamala Harris is on MSNBC right now speaking truth.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 7, 2020 • 1:36:10pm

I can listen to Trump all day when Sarah Cooper does him.

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stpaulbear  May 7, 2020 • 1:36:35pm

re: #126 jaunte

“…This study showed that the testosterone to luteinizing hormone (T to LH) ratio in 81 patients with COVID-19 was dramatically decreased in comparison with 100 age-matched healthy counterparts (patients with COVID-19: 0.74; healthy men: 1.31, P < 0.0001). Serum T to LH ratio (as a predictor of male gonadal function) could be a potential marker of impairment of reproductive health by SARS-CoV-2 (ref.2).”

This bit of info may singlehandedly put an end to covid 19 parties.

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Sherlock Hound  May 7, 2020 • 1:38:39pm

A little good news today: FB is pulling Plandemic

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 7, 2020 • 1:40:08pm

re: #134 Sherlock Hound

A little good news today: FB is pulling Plandemic

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TYRANNY!!

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William Lewis  May 7, 2020 • 1:42:13pm

re: #125 lawhawk

So, it’s got the potential to make men infertile.

Well, the human race has had quite the run. Trump’s done gone and fucked it all to hell. I await the SMOD.

Nothing new. In the mid 60’s there was a bad measles vaccine for a bit and my sister and I got measles as result. Her hearing was messed up and I was left infertile by the same kind of scarring.

I don’t get bothered by it for that gave me my son from Vietnam :D

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Interesting Times  May 7, 2020 • 1:42:18pm
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Sherlock Hound  May 7, 2020 • 1:44:15pm

Well, Tara Reade is being honest for the only time in her life.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 7, 2020 • 1:46:12pm

re: #134 Sherlock Hound

A little good news today: FB is pulling Plandemic

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I believe someone posted up thread (or was it down stairs) they were pulling it but it was also being re-posted just as fast. Have they initiated a system wide algorithm to block it on all accounts or just when it’s reported? If it’s the former, great. If it’s the latter it’s not going to help and is just a “feel good” gesture of limited to no value. I am laying odds on the latter.

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Citizen K  May 7, 2020 • 1:46:25pm

I’m just fucking tired. Just so fucking tired.

I’m not sure we have a country left at this point.

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2020 • 1:47:50pm
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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2020 • 1:48:01pm
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Citizen K  May 7, 2020 • 1:49:17pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

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Because that’s just what we need right now. Pray The Stay-At-Home Away.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 1:49:38pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

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Next up: Passing out the Flavor-Aid so that the faithful may be delivered from CV-19.

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2020 • 1:51:53pm
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BeenHereAwhile  May 7, 2020 • 1:55:10pm

re: #127 Decatur Deb

No problemo. The nation can restock its precious bodily essences from stock that isn’t so impacted, like Mexico.

Meanwhile the Trumpopuli strategy seems to be “remove all the Mexicans and other Latins back to Mexico, and put the black folk back out in the fields where they belong.”

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William Lewis  May 7, 2020 • 1:55:30pm

Hmm. Correct me if I am wrong but…

If Trump neglects to pardon Flynn because he thinks he is safe, then since the charges were dropped, could he be charged again by a new AG?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 7, 2020 • 1:55:42pm

re: #132 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I can listen to Trump all day when Sarah Cooper does him.

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The gal who did him with the wine glass was perfectamundo, IMHO.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2020 • 1:55:53pm

I guess she’s just skipping the faux concern now.

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2020 • 1:56:42pm
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EPR-radar  May 7, 2020 • 1:56:44pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

IMO the judge in Flynn’s case should not accept the dropping of these charges, on the grounds that “if the president wants his crony to face no penalty for crimes committed, abuse of the presidential pardon power is the appropriate process for doing that”.

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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  May 7, 2020 • 1:56:58pm

re: #138 Sherlock Hound

Well, Tara Reade is being honest for the only time in her life.

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She’s doing this AFTER she admitted in the Associated Press interview earlier this week that there was no sexual assault, there was no harassment, but she only complained because she was asked to get drinks for other attendees at a party?

I won’t be at all surprised if it is revealed that she got a sum of money from some of Trump’s operatives to spread the false charges.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 1:57:29pm

re: #147 William Lewis

Hmm. Correct me if I am wrong but…

If Trump neglects to pardon Flynn because he thinks he is safe, then since the charges were dropped, could he be charged again by a new AG?

DOJ has filed to have the charges dismissed with prejudice. The decision on how to handle it all is up to Judge Sullivan, but odds are he’ll rule to grant the DOJ’s motion in full.

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Citizen K  May 7, 2020 • 1:57:39pm

Reuters: Russia’s Putin accepted U.S. offer of ventilators: Trump

Because of course. Because of fucking course.

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Belafon  May 7, 2020 • 1:58:22pm

re: #140 Citizen K

I’m just fucking tired. Just so fucking tired.

I’m not sure we have a country left at this point.

When we give up it’s done.

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EPR-radar  May 7, 2020 • 1:58:58pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

DOJ has filed to have the charges dismissed with prejudice. The decision on how to handle it all is up to Judge Sullivan, but odds are he’ll rule to grant the DOJ’s motion in full.

That seems like an extraordinarily stupid thing for a judge to do in a case like this where the decision to drop charges is so clearly corrupt.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 7, 2020 • 1:59:02pm

Climate change is making allergy season worse. vox.com

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Sherlock Hound  May 7, 2020 • 2:00:59pm

re: #152 Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!

She’s doing this AFTER she admitted in the Associated Press interview earlier this week that there was no sexual assault, there was no harassment, but she only complained because she was asked to get drinks for other attendees at a party?

I won’t be at all surprised if it is revealed that she got a sum of money from some of Trump’s operatives to spread the false charges.

She shopped herself around (so to speak) until she got Megan to fluff her. She says Putin’s a nice guy—but who doesn’t fluff their boss?!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 7, 2020 • 2:01:31pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

Yes, according to Constitutional, federal, and state laws governing our elections and the peaceful transfer of power.

Come Jan 21st, the man ceases to have any authority whatsoever.

Assuming he is not reëlected.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2020 • 2:01:54pm

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Interesting Times  May 7, 2020 • 2:03:29pm

In which a man once known for being wrong about everything no longer is, at all:

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2020 • 2:03:42pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

He’d probably pull a Kim Jong Un and go quiet for a few days…and what a peaceful few days they would be.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 2:05:34pm

re: #152 Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!

She’s doing this AFTER she admitted in the Associated Press interview earlier this week that there was no sexual assault, there was no harassment, but she only complained because she was asked to get drinks for other attendees at a party?

I won’t be at all surprised if it is revealed that she got a sum of money from some of Trump’s operatives to spread the false charges.

She’s trying to split the difference between what she told the press last year and her claims this year. She’s saying that she filed a report (well, an “intake form”) with the Senate equiv of HR about requests and touching that made her feel “uncomfortable,” but is sure she never used the words “sexual harassment” or “sexual assault.” Why can nobody find this form? She’s sure somebody in the Biden office found out, grabbed it off the clipboard she left it on, and squirreled it away to his official documents.

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Jack Burton  May 7, 2020 • 2:06:04pm

re: #160 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s been almost everyday since June 16, 2015.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2020 • 2:08:27pm

Let’s take a look at the scorecard shall we?

FBI - Crippled
DOJ - In ruins
CDC - Muzzled
DHS - Fascist
U.S. Armed Forces - Nearly Fubar’d
Rule of Law - Fuck it
Supreme Court - Fucked up
District Courts - Fucked up
Impeachable offenses - At least three a day

Now imagine how things will look if we have to deal with another four years of this.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 2:10:00pm

re: #156 EPR-radar

That seems like an extraordinarily stupid thing for a judge to do in a case like this where the decision to drop charges is so clearly corrupt.

One of the things judges hate with a passion is being overturned on appeal. And with the DOJ team handling this case now reduced to Barr’s crony, there’s nobody there to argue that the motion is improper. So Judge Sullivan dismissing the case without prejudice or denying the motion right would give Flynn’s lawyers a strong argument for overturning on appeal, namely that Judge Sullivan had overstepped his bounds.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 7, 2020 • 2:10:37pm

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

Let’s take a look at the scorecard shall we?

FBI - Crippled
DOJ - In ruins
CDC - Muzzled
DHS - Fascist
U.S. Armed Forces - Nearly Fubar’d
Rule of Law - Fuck it
Supreme Court - Fucked up
District Courts - Fucked up
Impeachable offenses - At least three a day

Now imagine how things will look if we have to deal with another four years of this.

the damage will be irreparable.

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gocart mozart  May 7, 2020 • 2:10:56pm

I just learned that this famous quote about politics comes from a comment by a nobody at Crooked Timber blog.

Here is the full comment.
Frank Wilhoit 03.22.18 at 12:09 am

There is no such thing as liberalism — or progressivism, etc.

There is only conservatism. No other political philosophy actually exists; by the political analogue of Gresham’s Law, conservatism has driven every other idea out of circulation.

There might be, and should be, anti-conservatism; but it does not yet exist. What would it be? In order to answer that question, it is necessary and sufficient to characterize conservatism. Fortunately, this can be done very concisely.

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:

There must be in-groups whom the law protectes but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time.

For millenia, conservatism had no name, because no other model of polity had ever been proposed. “The king can do no wrong.” In practice, this immunity was always extended to the king’s friends, however fungible a group they might have been. Today, we still have the king’s friends even where there is no king (dictator, etc.). Another way to look at this is that the king is a faction, rather than an individual.

As the core proposition of conservatism is indefensible if stated baldly, it has always been surrounded by an elaborate backwash of pseudophilosophy, amounting over time to millions of pages. All such is axiomatically dishonest and undeserving of serious scrutiny. Today, the accelerating de-education of humanity has reached a point where the market for pseudophilosophy is vanishing; it is, as The Kids Say These Days, tl;dr . All that is left is the core proposition itself — backed up, no longer by misdirection and sophistry, but by violence.

So this tells us what anti-conservatism must be: the proposition that the law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone, and cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

Then the appearance arises that the task is to map “liberalism”, or “progressivism”, or “socialism”, or whateverthefuckkindofstupidnoise-ism, onto the core proposition of anti-conservatism.

No, it a’n’t. The task is to throw all those things on the exact same burn pile as the collected works of all the apologists for conservatism, and start fresh. The core proposition of anti-conservatism requires no supplementation and no exegesis. It is as sufficient as it is necessary. What you see is what you get:

The law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone; and it cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 2:14:09pm

The issue with this is that we already know what Barr will do: He’ll flip Nadler the bird and dare him to do something about it, knowing that the House Dems will not dare go beyond threats of voting to hold him in contempt.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 7, 2020 • 2:14:41pm

re: #95 KGxvi

Not if he loses. He will be memory holed if he loses. Suddenly, like Nixon who won 60% of the vote in 1972, you won’t be able to find anyone who actually voted for him, either time.

Yup. In my first election in 1980 when I voted for Carter, there was no one who seemed to be a voter for Nixon.

Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed. If the GOP candidate loses, they are not a true conservative.

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Belafon  May 7, 2020 • 2:15:06pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

She’s trying to split the difference between what she told the press last year and her claims this year. She’s saying that she filed a report (well, an “intake form”) with the Senate equiv of HR about requests and touching that made her feel “uncomfortable,” but is sure she never used the words “sexual harassment” or “sexual assault.” Why can nobody find this form? She’s sure somebody in the Biden office found out, grabbed it off the clipboard she left it on, and squirreled it away to his official documents.

And yesterday, she admitted what made her uncomfortable was being asked to serve drinks at a party, which she claimed was a request from Biden, but had admitted before that it was his staff.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2020 • 2:15:59pm

re: #169 Targetpractice

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The issue with this is that we already know what Barr will do: He’ll flip Nadler the bird and dare him to do something about it, knowing that the House Dems will not dare go beyond threats of voting to hold him in contempt.

THIS.

There were no consequences when he ignored them before, why would he do anything differently now?

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Dave In Austin  May 7, 2020 • 2:23:32pm

Please report.

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2020 • 2:24:18pm
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Mike Lamb  May 7, 2020 • 2:26:31pm

re: #171 Belafon

And yesterday, she admitted what made her uncomfortable was being asked to serve drinks at a party, which she claimed was a request from Biden, but had admitted before that it was his staff.

This is the huge part of this story. Even recognizing the reality that the trauma of sexual assault can impact victims in a number of ways, it seems unlikely to me that she would go so far as to file a complaint about the circumstances surrounding the alleged assault without complaining of the assault itself. Painting with a broad brush, but it seems that it is far more typical that no complaint at all is made out of humiliation, fear, or both.

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Belafon  May 7, 2020 • 2:26:43pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

The people who actually did what you’re talking about, Donny, aren’t Jews, they’re people who donated to your campaign.

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plansbandc  May 7, 2020 • 2:27:32pm

re: #173 Dave In Austin

Reported.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2020 • 2:28:15pm

Biden is doing a virtual rally in Tampa right now.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2020 • 2:29:00pm

re: #176 Belafon

The people who actually did what you’re talking about, Donny, aren’t Jews, they’re people who donated to your campaign.

And some who are related to Trump.

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Mike Lamb  May 7, 2020 • 2:29:51pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

THIS.

There were no consequences when he ignored them before, why would he do anything differently now?

And we’re probably not too far away from SCOTUS patting Legislative and Executive Branches on the heads and saying “You and your brother go out in the yard and figure this our yourselves. We’re not getting involved.”

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Shropshire Slasher  May 7, 2020 • 2:30:06pm

re: #140 Citizen K

I’m just fucking tired. Just so fucking tired.

I’m not sure we have a country left at this point.

I’m Tired Madeline Kahn Blazing Saddles

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BeachDem  May 7, 2020 • 2:30:40pm

re: #161 Interesting Times

In which a man once known for being wrong about everything no longer is, at all:

This is a foretaste of what a second Trump term would be like—the entire executive branch weaponized to help Trump’s friends, punish his enemies, and undermine the rule of law.

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“The old civilisations claimed that they were founded on love and justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy - everything.”
― George Orwell, 1984

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  May 7, 2020 • 2:30:50pm

re: #126 jaunte

“…This study showed that the testosterone to luteinizing hormone (T to LH) ratio in 81 patients with COVID-19 was dramatically decreased in comparison with 100 age-matched healthy counterparts (patients with COVID-19: 0.74; healthy men: 1.31, P < 0.0001). Serum T to LH ratio (as a predictor of male gonadal function) could be a potential marker of impairment of reproductive health by SARS-CoV-2 (ref.2).”

Keep in mind that all these reports are about a disease that has no history. The people they’re studying just recovered. All sorts of diseases have short-term lingering effects. I’ll be more interested if they’re still showing adtereffects after a year or so.

That, of course, is if this report is even upheld. Who wrote it? Was it peer-revIewed?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2020 • 2:31:49pm

In retrospect we probably should have realized the election of the first black President would send this country right off the fucking rails.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 7, 2020 • 2:32:34pm

re: #178 Teddy’s Person

Biden is doing a virtual rally in Tampa right now.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 2:34:50pm

re: #171 Belafon

And yesterday, she admitted what made her uncomfortable was being asked to serve drinks at a party, which she claimed was a request from Biden, but had admitted before that it was his staff.

I’m of the opinion that the truth is closer to what she told the press last year: She was subjected to behavior that made her feel “uncomfortable” but stopped short of sexual harassment. That her aversion to wearing hose in the D.C. heat and her attire that caused others to tell her to dress “more conservatively” led to men in the office thinking she was trying to attract their attention. And when she chaffed under that attention, the response from her fellow female staffers amounted to “What did you expect when you dress like that?” So when she complained to her superiors, they saw not a woman made to feel “uncomfortable” by unwanted sexual advances, but a young woman who seemed to be trying to draw attention by ignoring the social norms every other woman in the office was adhering to. And she kept making a bigger and bigger stink about it until they felt she wasn’t mature enough to handle the responsibilities assigned to her and so relieved her of them. The end result was she felt that the men in the office were all acting like sexist pigs, that Joe was doing nothing to stop that, and she decided to leave because she didn’t feel anybody was listening to her.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 7, 2020 • 2:35:10pm

re: #173 Dave In Austin

Please report.

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Done. As usual these goobers think they have all the guns. I really think, on the basis of many, many years of experience (including real war), that they are completely bluffing and would utterly shit themselves if the prospect became real. A few crazies will jump the rails, and be immediately disowned, but the only way most of them would use their guns would be if they have the complete support of yokel authority (“sovereign sheriff” and related goofballs), an overwhelming advantage, and a completely helpless victim.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 2:37:31pm

re: #184 Eclectic Cyborg

In retrospect we probably should have realized the election of the first black President would send this country right off the fucking rails.

Still the best choice of all that ran in 2008 but yes it definitely did inspire an ugly reaction left and right.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 7, 2020 • 2:38:21pm

re: #188 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Still the best choice of all that ran in 2008 but yes it definitely did inspire an ugly reaction left and right.

It had to be exposed, better then than let it fester for a few more decades.

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Sherlock Hound  May 7, 2020 • 2:39:15pm

re: #173 Dave In Austin

Please report.

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Done.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 7, 2020 • 2:40:08pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 2:40:32pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It had to be exposed, better then than let it fester for a few more decades.

It did. Just like Clinton needed to expose sexism.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2020 • 2:41:33pm

By the way, this is now the second of Reade’s “witnesses” who’ve admitted they knowingly lied to the press:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 7, 2020 • 2:42:10pm

Evening Lizardim from the cold but clear wild north country. New numbers: 4189 tested, up to 97421; 786 new positives, up to 9365; 23 dead, up to 508. Governor Walz is continuing to introduce steps to reopen the state as we maintain our testing rates, noting that we may be one of the last states in the country to reach the peak of the first wave and that - thanks to others’ foolhardiness (my words, not his) - we might be hitting our first peak as other states start seeing the second wave. How go things among the lizardfolk on this cold snap night?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 7, 2020 • 2:48:38pm

re: #138 Sherlock Hound

Well, Tara Reade is being honest for the only time in her life.

Up that very long thread there are people now calling Stacey Abrams a liar after The Hill published an article where she said she was not trying to promote herself to Joe Biden.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2020 • 2:49:13pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

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Last I saw, Puerto Rico was “in our country” and was a big manufacturer of our prescription drugs before being left to die on the vine after the hurricanes and earthquakes.

gee…wonder who was in charge for that?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 2:49:23pm

re: #195 Anymouse 🌹🏡

Up that very long thread there are people now calling Stacey Abrams a liar after The Hill published an article where she said she was not trying to promote herself to Joe Biden.

She’s not lying but she definitely has been trying to promote herself.

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William Lewis  May 7, 2020 • 2:49:57pm

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Done. As usual these goobers think they have all the guns. I really think, on the basis of many, many years of experience (including real war), that they are completely bluffing and would utterly shit themselves if the prospect became real. A few crazies will jump the rails, and be immediately disowned, but the only way most of them would use their guns would be if they have the complete support of yokel authority (“sovereign sheriff” and related goofballs), an overwhelming advantage, and a completely helpless victim.

There are times when its fun to fuck with these little fascist thug minds by being a socialist Veteran with a concealed carry permit. ( It’s also why I have a new Canik S-120 on order. )

The Army has a saying, this we’ll defend.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 7, 2020 • 2:52:25pm

Charlie Crist speaking on Biden’s character at the virtual rally and the importance of Florida in the Fall.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 7, 2020 • 2:55:51pm

re: #139 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

I believe someone posted up thread (or was it down stairs) they were pulling it but it was also being re-posted just as fast. Have they initiated a system wide algorithm to block it on all accounts or just when it’s reported? If it’s the former, great. If it’s the latter it’s not going to help and is just a “feel good” gesture of limited to no value. I am laying odds on the latter.

That was me, but on YouTube. I don’t know about Faceborg. YouTube has it mirrored all over the site. It has to be individually reported on YouTube.

You can find them there simply by putting “Plandemic” in YouTube’s search bar. I’m not a software engineer nor do I play one on television [my wife is one though] but it seems to me that YouTube could simply block that search. On the other hand, it becomes an escalation between people posting it under different names or whatnot. It could also be promoted on less-well known sites, but then less-well known means slower spread.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  May 7, 2020 • 2:58:07pm

re: #140 Citizen K

I’m just fucking tired. Just so fucking tired.

I’m not sure we have a country left at this point.

That is the point of authoritarian propaganda, to wear you out and make you believe it’s already a fiat accompli.

(0:40)

Never give up! Never surrender!

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Weaselone  May 7, 2020 • 3:01:48pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

THIS.

There were no consequences when he ignored them before, why would he do anything differently now?

There’s no consequences, because the physical enforcement power that exists outside of the executive branch is essentially a rounding error. Both Congress and the courts rely on the executive branch to do their enforcement for them.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 7, 2020 • 3:32:38pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Says the guy who walked right on past the recruitment office and straight to McDonald’s to drown his bone-spur pain in a mountain of hamberders.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 7, 2020 • 3:34:03pm

Over HERE.

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Renaissance_Man  May 7, 2020 • 3:40:46pm

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the damage will be irreparable.

I don’t want to come across as completely negative and depressing, but I will say this - a country that was damaged enough to make Donald Trump its emperor, in full knowledge of what he is, and continues to pretend that all of it is normal, despite all current events, was never repairable in the first place. Many Americans may be opposed to this, may be aware that this is not normal. Perhaps even a majority of Americans. But that doesn’t matter, because the underlying systems of America - the systems of government, law, economics, and culture - are not. The underlying systems of America continue to say, loud and clear, that Donald Trump is emperor and the power of this nation belongs to those who want it to be this way. That is not repairable. That is not fixable, and never was.

The solution going forward is to build a new nation. One with different values. Germany and Japan did it following WWII. Other nations have done so. And other nations have simply collapsed and been lost to history.


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