Pakistan Frees Nuclear Salesman A.Q. Khan

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Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, who ran a black market responsible for spreading nuclear weapons technology throughout the Middle East, has been freed in Pakistan.

A court in Pakistan has freed disgraced nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan from house arrest.

Dr Khan, who has been under tight restrictions since 2004, can now leave home and receive visitors.

Dr Khan welcomed the ruling and said he was not bothered what the international community thought of his release.

The US has described the move as “unfortunate”, with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton saying she was “very much concerned” by Dr Khan’s release.

Obviously, Hillary just needs to beg a little harder for Pakistan to unclench their fist.

(Hat tip: Cato the Elder.)

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300 comments

Shug Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:29:57am

assuming he's paid his taxes, I see him in Obama's cabinet before long

PS: Khaaaaaaaaaaaaan
( had to )

Summer Seale Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:30:06am

Yes, this is what a moderately democratic new leader in Pakistan brings us....

MJ Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:30:11am

Dr Khan, who has been under tight restrictions since 2004, can now leave home and receive visitors.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to see you, Dr. Khan.

DaddyG Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:30:16am

Well there goes the neighborhood for... ...what is the half life of U235?

[deleted] Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:30:57am

Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:30:58am

re: #1 Shug

PS: Khaaaaaaaaaaaaan ( had to )

What?

BignJames Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:31:02am

Have nuke
will travel

gmsc Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:31:17am

re: #4 DaddyG

Well there goes the neighborhood for... ...what is the half life of U235?

703,800,000 years.

karmic_inquisitor Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:31:57am

The Terrorism Stimulus Package pays another dividend. Pakistan would never have done this under Bush. Under Obama they ask themselves :

"What is he going to do? Invade us? [laughter]"

Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:32:07am

re: #8 gmsc

703,800,000 years.

Oh, that's good, I was worried I would miss it, plenty of time.

Mambo Bananapatch Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:32:33am

re: #1 Shug

assuming ~~he's~~ he hasn't paid his taxes, I see him in Obama's cabinet before long

Fixed that up fer ya.

ThinkRight Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:33:09am

Another test for the Big "O"

no sarc

[deleted] Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:34:16am

nyc redneck Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:34:23am

hillary describes the release as 'unfortunate' and of 'concern'.

'unfortunate': like it somehow just happened and no one is responsible.
of 'concern': like if her cheeseburger arrives late at lunch.

freedombilly Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:34:27am

Not to worry. Hillary and The Messiah will have a sit down with Mr. Khan and convince him to change his evil ways.

CHANGE!

turn Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:34:50am

The US has described the move as “unfortunate”, with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton saying she was “very much concerned” by Dr Khan’s release.

OR ran this through the universal translator and it remarkably comes back "if I give you my lunch money, will you promise not to hit me"

Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:34:57am

gore: #8 gmsc

I'm sure a good real estate agent could sell you on the neighborhood!

JamesTKirk Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:35:00am

re: #1 Shug

PS: Khaaaaaaaaaaaaan
( had to )

That's my line.

LilyGecko Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:35:03am

Somewhat OT:
Obama Time!

Gotta love this paragraph:

"To me, being tardy, it's got to be one of two things," said presidential historian Doug Wead, who advised both Bush and his father, George H.W. Bush. "Bad organization that can be corrected, or it's arrogance. It sounds to me like this is arrogance."

DaddyG Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:35:07am

re: #8 gmsc

703,800,000 years.

That might give them enough time to join the 21st century.

Kragar Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:35:09am

re: #12 ThinkRight

Another test for the Big "O"

no sarc

I have complete faith and trust that he will fail completely.

loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:36:02am

Will Barry stomp his feet over this or is he too busy whining about the mean Republicans not playing nice in the sandbox?

Or does he not care at all?

FrogMarch Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:36:16am

I'm sure the Dr. has promised never to do it again.

Diamond Bullet Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:36:24am

Yeah, I'm sure Clinton is really concerned. Concerned this guy hasn't been able to make any donations to Bill's library for 5 years.

loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:36:33am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, since Obama is a neutered bitch, I'm hoping a Mossad team is already working on finding and eliminating this turd.

I'll always put my money on the Mossad.

freedombilly Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:36:34am

re: #15 freedombilly

Sorry. Not Mr. Khan...Dr. Khan. I'm sure he paid a lot of money to get his doctorate from Jihad University and I didn't mean to not give him credit for it.

Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:36:44am

Does this mean we ARE invading Pakistan?

Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:36:59am

re: #17 EmmmieG

Oops. Typo there. Gore had nothing to do with it, I hope.

subsailor68 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:37:04am

re: #23 FrogMarch

I'm sure the Dr. has promised never to do it again.

/

Yeah, but you know you can never trust a Kahn man.

;-)

LGoPs Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:37:07am

Dr Khan immediately announced he is opening a new store - Nukes R' Us, with new outlets coming to a country near you, soon........
/

ErnieG Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:37:09am

re: #12 ThinkRight

Another test for the Big "O"

no sarc

Joe Biden may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he called that one. Look for more. Soon.

Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:37:15am

This is the Change we need!

ThinkRight Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:37:30am

re: #22 loppyd

Will Barry stomp his feet over this or is he too busy whining about the mean Republicans not playing nice in the sandbox?

Or does he not care at all?

It will be another reason to hurry and pass the stimulus bill

thefallingman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:37:35am

Now? That's odd. It's almost as if they had been waiting for something. Some event that would mean they could get by with stuff like this...

red satellite Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:38:08am

Dr Khan, who has been under tight restrictions since 2004, can now leave home and receive visitors.

Im sure Ahmandinejad was his first visitor. Paying his respects and thanking him profusely.

nyc redneck Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:38:18am

they wouldn't be doing this shite if we had a reagan in the white house.
they really do smell weakness. and it a big stink.
wafting to every cave and hell hole of our enemies.

subsailor68 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:38:33am

re: #29 subsailor68

Oops. Khan, not Kahn.

Sigh. Comedy hard.

Silhouette Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:38:37am

Now what changed in the world between 2004 and now that would make Pakistan feel like they could now get away with freeing him?

loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:38:40am

re: #33 ThinkRight

It will be another reason to hurry and pass the stimulus bill

Two and half weeks in and it's a shit show.

seekeroftruth Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:38:55am

re: #22 loppyd

Will Barry stomp his feet over this or is he too busy whining about the mean Republicans not playing nice in the sandbox?

Or does he not care at all?

I don't think he cares at all. I can not imagine what the 9/11 families must be feeling about him halting the tribunals on the USS Cole and 9/11 terrorists. What a horrible message Obama is sending to the terrorists around the world.......

loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:39:19am

re: #38 Silhouette

Now what changed in the world between 2004 and now that would make Pakistan feel like they could now get away with freeing him?

Our president's balls are kept in a lock box guarded by his wife?

tfc3rid Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:39:20am

Wow...

Our friends the Pakistani's.

J.D. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:39:22am

Hillary's concerned.

Bless her heart.

quickjustice Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:39:29am

The Islamic market for nuclear weapons has regained its most entrepreneurial player! ;-)

LGoPs Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:39:36am

The US has described the move as “unfortunate”, with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton saying she was “very much concerned” by Dr Khan’s release

The US also fervently hopes that this will not lead to any "unpleasantness".....

[deleted] Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:39:39am

Silhouette Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:39:55am

re: #43 J.D.

Hillary's concerned.

Bless her heart.

Maybe she should try crying again.

loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:40:01am

re: #40 seekeroftruth

I don't think he cares at all. I can not imagine what the 9/11 families must be feeling about him halting the tribunals on the USS Cole and 9/11 terrorists. What a horrible message Obama is sending to the terrorists around the world.......

How he can look those families in the eye and justify these actions is beyond me.

thefallingman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:40:12am

re: #45 LGoPs

.

The US also fervently hopes that this will not lead to any "unpleasantness".....

Certainly not helpful.

Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:40:18am

re: #45 LGoPs

.

The US also fervently hopes that this will not lead to any "unpleasantness".....

Yes; we don't need any unfortunate incidents just now.

Silhouette Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:40:33am

re: #45 LGoPs

.

The US also fervently hopes that this will not lead to any "unpleasantness".....

Whoa, watch that harsh language. There are children present.

Amer-I-Can Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:40:45am

re: #12 ThinkRight

Another test for the Big "O"

no sarc

What test? With Hope and Change on his side, "The One" will not be tested... the world loves him, remember?

sarc on full volume

Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:41:00am

re: #40 seekeroftruth

I don't think he cares at all. I can not imagine what the 9/11 families must be feeling about him halting the tribunals on the USS Cole and 9/11 terrorists. What a horrible message Obama is sending to the terrorists around the world.......

"We are the ones we've been waiting for" brings on a whole new meaning if the "we" refers to Al Qaeda, no?

seekeroftruth Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:41:13am

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

He's just showing his commitment to "clean Cole."

LOL - Thanks for the chuckle. The news of the day is depressing me.

Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:41:16am

Do you suppose they realize that Hillary's comments are a dead-on 100% spoof of diplo-babble?

yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:41:19am

re: #45 LGoPs

.

The US also fervently hopes that this will not lead to any "unpleasantness".....

'Unpleasantness' - is that what terrorist attacks are now called?

PB0 doesn't seem to understand that he's not the community organiser for the rest of the world.

LGoPs Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:41:32am

re: #51 Silhouette

Whoa, watch that harsh language. There are children present.

/

LOL......

jwb7605 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:41:47am

re: #48 loppyd

How he can look those families in the eye and justify these actions is beyond me.

See taxfreekiller's post on the previous thread.

Sums how it's done up quite nicely.

Kragar Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:41:50am

New Bumper Sticker Idea:

"This is not the CHANGE I was HOPING for."

Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:41:59am

re: #56 yma o hyd

'Unpleasantness' - is that what terrorist attacks are now called?

I think they're called felonies now.

JohnAdams Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:42:05am

Not implying anything here but...don't most of the major western governments have special forces type operations that can you know...eliminate...this living, walking, breathing threat to the entire planet?

Just sayin'.

subsailor68 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:42:13am

re: #52 Amer-I-Can

What test? With Hope and Change on his side, "The One" will not be tested... the world loves him, remember?

sarc on full volume

Actually ya didn't even need sarc on full volume. Just remember how many people voted for him because if he was elected, "the world will love us again".

loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:42:21am

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

New Bumper Sticker Idea:

"This is not the CHANGE I was HOPING for."

Where do I place my order?

LilyGecko Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:42:39am

re: #57 LGoPs

LOL......

What, you think that's funny? That's some nasty language....

Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:43:05am

Predator strike forthcoming? Or is that oo much to hope for?

ThinkRight Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:43:08am

re: #39 loppyd

Two and half weeks in and it's a shit show.

Wait till Thanksgiving
That Racist holiday will be banned

[deleted] Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:43:15am

yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:43:17am

re: #60 Guanxi88

I think they're called felonies now.

Ah right - so a little wrist-slap is all thats required to show them the error of their way ...

loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:43:21am

re: #58 jwb7605

See taxfreekiller's post on the previous thread.

Sums how it's done up quite nicely.

tfk speaks the truth.

I told him he's going to help in keeping me sane these next four years.

debutaunt Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:43:25am

re: #37 subsailor68

Oops. Khan, not Kahn.

Sigh. Comedy hard.

1. Timing
2. Spelling
3. The other thing.

[deleted] Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:43:38am

seekeroftruth Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:43:40am

re: #53 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

"We are the ones we've been waiting for" brings on a whole new meaning if the "we" refers to Al Qaeda, no?

Sure does - what a nightmare.

J.D. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:43:45am

re: #47 Silhouette

Maybe she should try crying again.

Now that's a novel approach...

Erik The Red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:43:48am

Since 44 has taken over all the shit is starting to hit the fan. I did not hope for less security and I did not want change for the worse.

Thank you GWB for keeping us safe over the last 7 years. The whole world is starting to take a shot now.

We have a long 4 years ahead and I pray that we get through unscathed.

loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:43:53am

re: #67 taxfreekiller

Obama,

Yo,,,

These ones are not even doing the scratch the face trick middle finger thing, they just flat ass gave you the finger in public.

sissy pants loon

There you are.

See my #69

Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:44:04am

re: #65 Leonidas Hoplite

Predator strike forthcoming? Or is that oo much to hope for?

You need a conviction, then there's the appeals process..... could take some time.

realwest Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:44:22am

Oh yeah, I'm sure glad that President Bush, on advice from the effin' State Department, decided to NOT back Mushareef for re-election. Mush knew all about Kahn and what a danger he was. Mushareef put him under "house arrest" but he was also under armed surveillence and NO ONE spoke to him by phone, e-mail, text or in person without Mush's direct OK.
Now he's talking to anyone with money.
Shit.

loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:44:30am

re: #74 Erik The Red

Since 44 has taken over all the shit is starting to hit the fan. I did not hope for less security and I did not want change for the worse.

Thank you GWB for keeping us safe over the last 7 years. The whole world is starting to take a shot now.

We have a long 4 years ahead and I pray that we get through unscathed.

I second those thanks.

subsailor68 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:44:47am

re: #70 debutaunt

1. Timing
2. Spelling
3. The other thing.

Hi debutant! That's it. Rub it in.

:-)

yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:45:28am

re: #61 JohnAdams

Not implying anything here but...don't most of the major western governments have special forces type operations that can you know...eliminate...this living, walking, breathing threat to the entire planet?

Just sayin'.

Oh no, that would be sooo un-PC!
I mean, he surely is a victim, you can't do that!

(There's only one organisation who'd do that, efficiently and quietly. Its owned by those Joooos ...)

gmsc Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:45:34am

re: #67 taxfreekiller

Obama,

Yo,,,

These ones are not even doing the scratch the face trick middle finger thing, they just flat ass gave you the finger in public.

sissy pants loon

0bama plans to address the families of the USS Cole victims after dropping the charges against the bombers.

I think they should all greet 0bama in this same fashion.

Kragar Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:45:34am

re: #65 Leonidas Hoplite

Predator strike forthcoming? Or is that oo much to hope for?

The Israelis are operating Predators in the area?

Erik The Red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:45:37am

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

New Bumper Sticker Idea:

"This is not the CHANGE I was HOPING for."

Fuck Change bring back the old days

loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:45:44am

re: #66 ThinkRight

Wait till Thanksgiving
That Racist holiday will be banned

President's Day should be banned. It's just a bunch of white guys. Robert the troll Reich tells us white guys suck, right?

MJ Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:45:49am

I believe the US knew this was coming:

On January 12, the United States unveiled sanctions against Khan, 12 associates and three firms linked to his nuclear proliferation network.
The sanctions forbid the 16 people and firms from having business dealings with the US government or private US companies in what the State Department says is a renewed bid to make sure the network has been shut down entirely.
A State Department official told AFP on the condition of anonymity that Washington has had concerns that elements of the network could still be active.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

ErnieG Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:45:55am

re: #47 Silhouette

Maybe she should try crying again.

Bubba could teach her that "biting the lip" thing. I hear that that's quite effective.

brookly red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:46:15am

re: #65 Leonidas Hoplite

Predator strike forthcoming? Or is that oo much to hope for?

Dose that count as "receiving visitors"? This could be more than it seems.

Kosh's Shadow Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:46:15am

And India says the Mumbai terrorism has been traced to Pakistani intelligence.
Things are going to get interesting, and we have 2nd grader at the helm.
Will the first nuke be launched or set off by terrorists somewhere in India?

J.D. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:47:09am

re: #86 ErnieG

Bubba could teach her that "biting the lip" thing. I hear that that's quite effective.

People bought that hook, line, and sinker, too.

Still amazes me.

Kosh's Shadow Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:47:19am

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, a world where every regime has nukes is no different from a concealed-carry jurisdiction.

////////

Except the 0 will get rid of ours.

Kragar Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:47:23am

re: #83 Erik The Red

Fuck Change bring back the old days

I'm completely for change. They aint seen Western Imperialism till they've seen me in action.

yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:47:32am

re: #77 realwest

Oh yeah, I'm sure glad that President Bush, on advice from the effin' State Department, decided to NOT back Mushareef for re-election. Mush knew all about Kahn and what a danger he was. Mushareef put him under "house arrest" but he was also under armed surveillence and NO ONE spoke to him by phone, e-mail, text or in person without Mush's direct OK.
Now he's talking to anyone with money.
Shit.

Hiya, {rw}!

To be quite clear - by that time, a certain man with an impressive moustache was no longer at Foggy Bottom ...

nikis-knight Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:47:36am

Never a Hellfire when you need one. That guys a dangerous, dangerous man.

Killer Tomato Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:47:47am

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

New Bumper Sticker Idea:

"This is not the CHANGE I was HOPING for."

I prefer
"I HOPE you got the CHANGE you wanted"

JohnAdams Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:47:51am

re: #80 yma o hyd

Oh no, that would be sooo un-PC!
I mean, he surely is a victim, you can't do that!

(There's only one organisation who'd do that, efficiently and quietly. Its owned by those Joooos ...)

Well we all know that they secretly control the world.

realwest Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:48:05am

re: #85 MJ
Hey MJ - I agree with you, but still don't understand why the US didn't back Mushareef for re-election - Mush was our BEST PROTECTION against Kahn.
And those damn sanctions just won't work (name me one instance where those type of sanctions have worked!).

[deleted] Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:48:52am

newsjunkie_ky Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:49:05am

While at lunch at the cafe in the local bookstore, I overheard the four women at the next table discussing the 0. One line I just loved was, 'I didn't expect 0bama to be better than this'. They were discussing all the bad decisions and the tax cheats he has in his cabinet. The 0 voters are waking up slowly.

winston06 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:49:07am

Change you can not believe in

100

aggieann Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:49:14am

re: #86 ErnieG

Bubba could teach her that "biting the lip" thing. I hear that that's quite effective.

Finger wagging works pretty well, too.

101

MJBrutus Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:49:24am

Relax, Hilldebeast says she's very much concerned. I feel much better knowing that.

102

gmsc Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:49:55am

Hope 'N Change II: The Wrath of Khan

103

realwest Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:50:02am

re: #88 Kosh's Shadow
Ah geez Kosh, thanks for giving me more fodder for my nightmares!

104

J.D. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:50:14am

re: #98 newsjunkie_ky

I'll bet I know where you were!

105

yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:50:27am

re: #95 JohnAdams

Well we all know that they secretly control the world.

Looks like they've decided to wait and see how the world is doing without their control, for a spell ...

106

Rednek Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:50:43am

An example of not wanting to "burden the original decision"

Lawsuit: Florida Clinic Botched Abortion, Threw Out Live Baby

107

loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:50:47am

Oh what I would give for this man should be president right now....

108

loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:51:12am

re: #106 Rednek

An example of not wanting to "burden the original decision"

Lawsuit: Florida Clinic Botched Abortion, Threw Out Live Baby

I can't read that. Just can't.

109

DaddyG Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:51:16am

re: #17 EmmmieG My goodness that was haunting.

110

debutaunt Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:51:26am

re: #101 MJBrutus

Relax, Hilldebeast says she's very much concerned. I feel much better knowing that.

If he doesn't unclench, she can fistbump and all can laugh.

111

Kosh's Shadow Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:51:29am

re: #97 taxfreekiller

No need to impeach this Obama guy, he is abdicating in public of his own free will.

Do not know what he is, but, something is missing.

The problem is, he's voting present, which means we can't replace him.
Unfortunately, the order of succession makes replacing him look bad.

The Far Side had it right

112

yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:51:46am

re: #100 aggieann

Finger wagging works pretty well, too.

Finger wagging is reserved exclusively for those belonging to the ROPMA!

113

WALT C Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:51:51am

The obvious response to this anti-terrorism move is to give them more money. /sarc

114

loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:51:51am

re: #94 Killer Tomato

I prefer
"I HOPE you got the CHANGE you wanted"

Hey Killah!

Long time.

115

[deleted] Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:52:12am

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Erik The Red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:52:28am

re: #101 MJBrutus

Relax, Hilldebeast says she's very much concerned. I feel much better knowing that.

Concerned about what? Bill's free willy, her sagging breasts and ass. Or about the security of us and our children?

117

newsjunkie_ky Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:52:33am

re: #98 newsjunkie_ky

While at lunch at the cafe in the local bookstore, I overheard the four women at the next table discussing the 0. One line I just loved was, 'I didn't expect 0bama to be better than this'. They were discussing all the bad decisions and the tax cheats he has in his cabinet. The 0 voters are waking up slowly.

sh1t. PIMF
'I expected 0bama to be better than this'
I think faster than I can type.

118

[deleted] Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:52:42am

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gmsc Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:52:53am

re: #111 Kosh's Shadow

The problem is, he's voting present, which means we can't replace him.
Unfortunately, the order of succession makes replacing him look bad.

The Far Side had it right

My answer to the Far Side dilemma you present is the quote in my profile.

120

loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:53:01am

Bibi!

Israeli polls predict Netanyahu win in close race

121

realwest Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:53:07am

re: #92 yma o hyd
Hi {yma} yeah I know, but frankly even if he had still been there, I think Condi poisoned the well because she was convinced that Mushareef had something to do with Indira Ghandi's death.
And now her widower is theoretically running Pakistan.
Damn.

122

Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:53:11am

OT -

A friend of mine, on the phone this morning, told me that I take a black and white stance on issues.

It seems to be though, always, at some point, it's those black and white people who have to come in and clean up the mess.

123

LilyGecko Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:53:17am

re: #108 loppyd

That was what I thought. I really don't want to know. The title was enough.

124

Kosh's Shadow Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:53:30am

re: #113 WALT C

The obvious response to this anti-terrorism move is to give them more ~~money~~ jizzya. /sarc

Corrected the terminology.

125

abaleh Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:53:59am

US State Department statement form:

The United States State Department views {insert disaster to free world here} as unfortunate, and is very much concerned by {insert disaster to free world here}.

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loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:54:16am

re: #118 taxfreekiller

#107

We have Huckabee and the loon ID's and the David Barton's etal to thank for that not being possible.

Don't forget McCain. He and Huckabee made the deal to squeeze Mitt out.

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MJ Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:54:16am

Dressed in a navy blue shirt, he ( Khan ) waved to the cameras with unconcealed glee. "It's matter of joy. The judgment, by the grace of Allah, is good," Khan told a gathered throng of reporters....

"I will always be proud about what I did for Pakistan," Khan said. "I am obliged to answer only to my government not to any foreigners," signalling that he will continue to resist attempts by officials from the U.S. and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to interview him about his role in the world's biggest nuclear scandal. Last year, a United Nations nuclear watchdog said Khan's network was active in 12 countries.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Big surprise there.

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Killer Tomato Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:54:17am

re: #114 loppyd

Hey loppy!
I noticed you mentioned shopping in NH - make sure you pay your sales tax....

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yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:54:40am

re: #117 newsjunkie_ky

sh1t. PIMF
'I expected 0bama to be better than this'
I think faster than I can type.

Hiya, {newsjunkie_ky}
Thinking faster than one can type - yeah, I know that only too well meself!

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SummerSong Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:54:43am

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

OT -

A friend of mine, on the phone this morning, told me that I take a black and white stance on issues.

Is that a narrow stance, or a wide one?

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winston06 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:54:53am

re: #115 Cato the Elder

I think his major customers were Iran, Libya and North Korea. Am I wrong?

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ErnieG Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:55:01am

re: #115 Cato the Elder

Maybe send in the SEALs and give him a quick frontal lobotomy so at least he can't peddle his wares anymore.

Maybe we could just tell the Taliban that he had translated the Koran while he was under house arrest.

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capitalist piglet Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:55:18am

re: #1 Shug

assuming he's paid his taxes, I see him in Obama's cabinet before long

PS: Khaaaaaaaaaaaaan
( had to )

Paid them, or not paid them? Wait, I thought...hold on. I'm so confused.

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loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:55:23am

re: #128 Killer Tomato

Hey loppy!
I noticed you mentioned shopping in NH - make sure you pay your sales tax....

NOT BLOODY LIKELY!

I will file a lawsuit if anyone tries that shit with me.

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newsjunkie_ky Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:55:27am

re: #104 J.D.

I'll bet I know where you were!

Bet you do, too. I love that cafe. My daughter, granddaughter, and I go all the time for lunch and get baby books. It is the best bookstore evah. Although lots of moonbats hang out there.
How are you doing? We are finally thawing out and the snow from the big storm this week is melting. FEMA finally got to KY, but had to stop the meals as they contained the recalled peanut butter.

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winston06 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:55:27am

re: #113 WALT C

You mean a Stimulus plan for terror industry? ;-)

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J.D. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:55:38am

re: #132 ErnieG

Maybe we could just tell the Taliban that he had translated the Koran while he was under house arrest.

Always thinking...

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JohnAdams Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:55:42am

re: #120 loppyd

Bibi!

Israeli polls predict Netanyahu win in close race

Don't follow Israeli politics that closely, but doesn't this greatly enhance chances of action against Iran?

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jwb7605 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:56:07am

re: #129 yma o hyd

Hiya, {newsjunkie_ky}
Thinking faster than one can type - yeah, I know that only too well meself!

Not infrequently, I type faster than I can think.
We need a "time delayed" post this comment button.

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Erik The Red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:56:08am

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

OT -

A friend of mine, on the phone this morning, told me that I take a black and white stance on issues.

It seems to be though, always, at some point, it's those black and white people who have to come in and clean up the mess.

Everything is black or white, right or wrong. The only reason for it to be otherwise is to justify your own dumb ass decisions.

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Kragar Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:56:08am

re: #115 Cato the Elder

Thanks, Charles.

The thing about Khan is we still don't know who all his customers were/are. Pakistan, our ally, has protected him from interrogation and debriefing.

I'd say he was a case for Special Forces, but with no CIA prisons or Gitmo allowed, where would we take him? Rendering him to, say, Egypt would only give the Gyptians the chance to pick his brain for a bomb of their very own.

Maybe send in the SEALs and give him a quick frontal lobotomy so at least he can't peddle his wares anymore.

Some times you have to cut your losses. Sure, it would be great to interrogate the guy, but if that proves unfeasible, then just kill him and be done with it before he can do any more damage.

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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:56:12am

re: #130 SummerSong

Is that a narrow stance, or a wide one?

Not LOL.

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realwest Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:56:14am

re: #115 Cato the Elder
Hi Cato - respectfully - Kahn was interrogated with US personel there (though not conducting the interrogation which was not TOUGH interrogation, if you know what I mean). That's the reason Musharfeef didn't have Kahn killed straight off: he wanted info on customers and the like before he did away with A.Q. Kahn. What info we got I don't know but he was most certainly interrogated - and was afraid for his life at the time.

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loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:56:19am

re: #138 JohnAdams

Don't follow Israeli politics that closely, but doesn't this greatly enhance chances of action against Iran?

I don't either, but from the little I have read he is not afraid of going there.

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gmsc Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:56:21am

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

OT -

A friend of mine, on the phone this morning, told me that I take a black and white stance on issues.

It seems to be though, always, at some point, it's those black and white people who have to come in and clean up the mess.

Ask him if he's making fun the of president and accuse him of a racist remark.

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NoelArmourson Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:56:23am

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

OT -

A friend of mine, on the phone this morning, told me that I take a black and white stance on issues.

It seems to be though, always, at some point, it's those black and white people who have to come in and clean up the mess.

Sometimes you have to turn up the inner "Contrast" settings to determine where the line is.

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[deleted] Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:56:30am

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Killer Tomato Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:56:35am

re: #134 loppyd

LOL

I always get a kick out of seeing that line on the tax return (I work in MA)...

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Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:56:58am

re: #108 loppyd

I can't read that. Just can't.

I did. I don't recommend it. A rare case of actually being able to judge something by its cover.

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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:56:58am

re: #131 winston06

I think his major customers were Iran, Libya and North Korea. Am I wrong?

I think that's right, but we don't know the details. And there could have been others.

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Randall Gross Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:57:12am

This was bound to happen, he's a national hero for gaining Pakistan nuclear deterrence to India at a point where India was seriously thinking about kicking their ass. I expected it to happen quicker than this after Musharraf's ouster.

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yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:57:19am

re: #121 realwest

Hi {yma} yeah I know, but frankly even if he had still been there, I think Condi poisoned the well because she was convinced that Mushareef had something to do with Indira Ghandi's death.
And now her widower is theoretically running Pakistan.
Damn.

Erm - it was Benazir Bhutto who was assassinated this time, Indira was earlier.

I think Bolton would have prevented this farce of making Musharraff go for elections, he'd have banged a few heads together much much earlier.
Thats why they were so glad at State to see the back of him.
Pity.

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capitalist piglet Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:57:31am

re: #132 ErnieG

Maybe we could just tell the Taliban that he had translated the Koran while he was under house arrest.

Won't they just rape his female relatives?

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gmsc Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:57:45am

re: #147 taxfreekiller

#126

McCain,,"is" forgotten, by many, but he is on Obama list to the White House by the back door now.

Unlike 0bama himself, who is standing near a window.

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bulwrk Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:57:53am

re: #1 Shug

assuming he's paid his taxes, I see him in Obama's cabinet before long

PS: Khaaaaaaaaaaaaan
( had to )

New IAEA chief

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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:57:57am

re: #140 Erik The Red

Everything is black or white, right or wrong. The only reason for it to be otherwise is to justify your own dumb ass decisions.

I don't try to justify my dumb ass decisions. If I make one, I own up to it. What the fuck?

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SummerSong Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:57:58am

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

Not LOL.

I'll try to keep living.

;)

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DaddyG Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:58:19am

Why are the W - T - F keys on my keyboard are wearing out at a faster rate than the others?

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capitalist piglet Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:58:44am

re: #138 JohnAdams

Don't follow Israeli politics that closely, but doesn't this greatly enhance chances of action against Iran?

Bibi has made bold public statements about Iran which strongly indicate your assumption is correct.

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loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:58:44am

re: #148 Killer Tomato

LOL

I always get a kick out of seeing that line on the tax return (I work in MA)...

Talk about taxation without representation.

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realwest Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:58:59am

re: #152 yma o hyd
Ooops you're right - sometimes type while brain struggles to keep up! LOL!

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jwb7605 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:59:18am

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

I don't try to justify my dumb ass decisions. If I make one, I own up to it. What the fuck?

Most of us do.
The real trick is to recognize that it was a dumb ass decision.

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newsjunkie_ky Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:59:22am

re: #129 yma o hyd

Hiya, {newsjunkie_ky}
Thinking faster than one can type - yeah, I know that only too well meself!

Hey yma,
Did you all get more snow? We are finally see grass (alert michael phelps).

It is a scary time in our history. I did not feel fear while W. was at the helm. I sure do now.

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Killer Tomato Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:59:31am

re: #160 loppyd

Exactly!

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abaleh Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:59:40am

re: #144 loppyd

I don't either, but from the little I have read he is not afraid of going there.

In all fairness, I think any Israeli PM would attack if s/he felt there was no other choice.

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loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:59:49am

re: #147 taxfreekiller

#126

McCain,,"is" forgotten, by many, but he is on Obama list to the White House by the back door now.

Not surprising. He wants to be the media darling once again.

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yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:00:10am

re: #139 jwb7605

Not infrequently, I type faster than I can think.
We need a "time delayed" post this comment button.

Heh.
Would be nice if that button (or somethign) was in me brain, to regulate things either way ...

:-)

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loppyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:00:17am

Lunch time.

BBL

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brookly red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:00:25am

This is pretty deep when you consider that his jailers were also his body guards. Perhaps the motive for freeing him is not as it appears.

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Erik The Red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:01:30am

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

I don't try to justify my dumb ass decisions. If I make one, I own up to it. What the fuck?

Wrong wording Walter did not mean "you" per say but our, them, us. Sorry for the confusion.
Shit way so touchy? You should know me by now.

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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:02:01am

re: #143 realwest

Hi Cato - respectfully - Kahn was interrogated with US personel there (though not conducting the interrogation which was not TOUGH interrogation, if you know what I mean). That's the reason Musharfeef didn't have Kahn killed straight off: he wanted info on customers and the like before he did away with A.Q. Kahn. What info we got I don't know but he was most certainly interrogated - and was afraid for his life at the time.

I didn't know that and stand corrected. My memory was that the US was not satisfied with the access we got, and I confused that with no access at all.

It would be very interesting to know what, if any, safeguards there are to ensure that he doesn't go back into business. My guess is he is pretty much free to do what he wants.

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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:02:03am

re: #141 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Some times you have to cut your losses. Sure, it would be great to interrogate the guy, but if that proves unfeasible, then just kill him and be done with it before he can do any more damage.

But we have to balance considerations when evaluating our options.

Sure, there is - on one side - the issue of Megaton yield of a Nuke being deployed in one of our cities. But that is vastly offset by the overwhelming moral yield of the US prostrating ourselves in front of the world's different thugs and theocrats.

/ The advice that Obama is getting.

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Lincolntf Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:03:09am

I got pulled away to do work for a few hours and when I finally get back to the computer, I see that Pakistan has released a nuclear "Dr. Evil", the USS Cole bombing is being swept under the rug and that the stimulus bill is expected to pass.
Some days it just doesn't pay to get out of bed.

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J.D. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:03:27am

re: #135 newsjunkie_ky

I have spent many hours there...as has everyone in you-know-where...We had some fire sprinkler pipes freeze and some water damage up there, but no power outages. I know lots of people who did lose it for days...did you?

I blame Obama for the weather and the recalled peanut butter. Isn't that what the opposition party is supposed to do?

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ErnieG Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:04:12am

re: #117 newsjunkie_ky

sh1t. PIMF
'I expected 0bama to be better than this'
I think faster than I can type.

It could be worse. You could talk faster than you could think. Your only hope would be to run for Congress, where it wouldn't be noticed. Indeed, it would be considered an asset.

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yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:04:21am

re: #159 capitalist piglet

Bibi has made bold public statements about Iran which strongly indicate your assumption is correct.

Here's a very interesting piece about those elections:
Will the Likud be the the second biggest party?

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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:04:22am

OT - suggested media list. I made 75 dollars for about 2 minutes of programming work this past Monday, so I decided to treat myself to some stuff from Amazon since I rarely have extra cash for an occasional toy.

DVD - Peter Jackson's "Meet the Feebles"
DVD - Perter Jackson's "Dead Alive"
Paperback - Simon R. Green's "Hell to Pay" (Nightside serires)
Trade paper - Hawkings - "A Briefer History Of Time"
Coffe table - "Anasazi - Chaco Canyon"

Just sharing.

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realwest Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:04:42am

re: #151 Thanos
" I expected it to happen quicker than this after Musharraf's ouster."
Yep, but there wasn't enough money in it to get him out of house arrest at the time.

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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:04:45am

re: #170 Erik The Red

Wrong wording Walter did not mean "you" per say but our, them, us. Sorry for the confusion.
Shit way so touchy? You should know me by now.

Etu. Ok.

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J.D. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:05:02am

re: #153 capitalist piglet

Won't they just rape his female relatives?

Always thinking...

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:05:26am

"Guilty as sin, free as a bird"
/Bill Ayers, some guy from Obama's neighborhood

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Randall Gross Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:05:36am

re: #178 realwest

" I expected it to happen quicker than this after Musharraf's ouster."
Yep, but there wasn't enough money in it to get him out of house arrest at the time.

Actually this is a political bone in the ongoing lawyer's insurgency right now. It takes some of the heat off of PPP etc.

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yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:05:50am

re: #161 realwest

Ooops you're right - sometimes type while brain struggles to keep up! LOL!

Join the club - we're all having a gentle moan about just that!

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Erik The Red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:06:09am

re: #179 Walter L. Newton

Etu. Ok.

Etu?

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eschew_obfuscation Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:06:45am

Why the hexx is Safari getting 10% of my cpu when nothing is loading?

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Killer Tomato Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:06:50am

re: #173 Lincolntf

Some ~~days~~years it just doesn't pay to get out of bed.

(the way things are going)

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J.D. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:06:59am

re: #173 Lincolntf

I got pulled away to do work for a few hours and when I finally get back to the computer, I see that Pakistan has released a nuclear "Dr. Evil", the USS Cole bombing is being swept under the rug and that the stimulus bill is expected to pass.
Some days it just doesn't pay to get out of bed.

It's a national nightmare.

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LGoPs Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:06:59am

re: #175 ErnieG

It could be worse. You could talk faster than you could think. Your only hope would be to run for Congress, where it wouldn't be noticed. Indeed, it would be considered an asset.

And if you're really, really mind numbingly stupid to boot, you could even become the Speaker of the House.....
/

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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:07:04am

re: #184 Erik The Red

Etu?

My fingers slipped.

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yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:07:42am

re: #163 newsjunkie_ky

Hey yma,
Did you all get more snow? We are finally see grass (alert michael phelps).

It is a scary time in our history. I did not feel fear while W. was at the helm. I sure do now.

We had some more - but it went quickly, nothing like in other parts of Great Britain. So yeah - there is some grass, peeping through the mud!
Sun was out, briefly, this pm - aahhh, it looked and felt soo nice!

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MJ Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:08:00am

Olbermann and Kos will throw a fit:

Panetta: No prosecution for CIA interrogators

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration will not prosecute CIA officers who participated in harsh interrogations that critics say crossed the line into torture, CIA Director-nominee Leon Panetta said Friday.
Asked by The Associated Press if that was official policy, Panetta said, "That is the case."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

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Dianna Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:08:44am

re: #187 J.D.

It's a national nightmare.

Yes, it is.

I'm going to go contemplate more than $3 million in capital losses.

It's less depressing.

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newsjunkie_ky Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:08:53am

re: #174 J.D.

I have spent many hours there...as has everyone in you-know-where...We had some fire sprinkler pipes freeze and some water damage up there, but no power outages. I know lots of people who did lose it for days...did you?

I blame Obama for the weather and the recalled peanut butter. Isn't that what the opposition party is supposed to do?

We were lucky in my neighborhood and didn't lose power or water. Lexington lost power is some areas but W. KY got it worse. My family in Ashland lost power, some for 5 days.
I'm going to question everything the 0 does and blame him for everything, just like my liberal friends did to W.

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J.D. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:09:06am

re: #191 MJ

If that's true, it's the first sensible thing I've heard from them.

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Randall Gross Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:09:10am

re: #191 MJ

Olbermann and Kos will throw a fit:

Panetta: No prosecution for CIA interrogators

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Heh, but the dems in Congress will still be going after Rove and Bush.

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Raven1 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:09:57am

Obama would win me over if he sent a missile Dr. Khan's way.

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newsjunkie_ky Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:10:10am

re: #175 ErnieG

It could be worse. You could talk faster than you could think. Your only hope would be to run for Congress, where it wouldn't be noticed. Indeed, it would be considered an asset.

LOL. the pelousi comes to mind immediately. 500 million Americans lose their jobs every month. What a tool.

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jwb7605 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:10:17am

re: #195 Thanos

Heh, but the dems in Congress will still be going after Rove and Bush.

If they put the porkulus bill on hold and pursued that folly, it would suit me just fine.

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nyc redneck Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:10:19am

re: #135 newsjunkie_ky

Bet you do, too. I love that cafe. My daughter, granddaughter, and I go all the time for lunch and get baby books. It is the best bookstore evah. Although lots of moonbats hang out there.
How are you doing? We are finally thawing out and the snow from the big storm this week is melting. FEMA finally got to KY, but had to stop the meals as they contained the recalled peanut butter.

hey{news}
the food tainted w/ bad peanut butter would be all over the nyt if this was n.o.
front page and lots of moaning abt. poison on top of hurricane misery.
(i'm glad you are getting a spring thaw down there.)

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yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:10:21am

re: #172 karmic_inquisitor

But we have to balance considerations when evaluating our options.

Sure, there is - on one side - the issue of Megaton yield of a Nuke being deployed in one of our cities. But that is vastly offset by the overwhelming moral yield of the US prostrating ourselves in front of the world's different thugs and theocrats.

/ The advice that Obama is getting.

Goodness, yes: sacrifice a few American lives, they don't matter if the whole world lurrves PB0 for being so humble ...
Price worth paying, right?

///////

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Lincolntf Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:11:29am

re: #191 MJ

Finally some good news.
Though it is pretty sad that we have to celebrate a simple application of common sense like it's a victory.

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Erik The Red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:11:34am

44 is blaming GWB for the current state of the economy. Who the fuck is he going to blame for our future state of security?

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debutaunt Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:11:59am

re: #181 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Guilty as sin, free as a bird"
/Bill Ayers, some guy from Obama's neighborhood

The Palice have been notified.

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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:12:06am

re: #200 yma o hyd

He, what's the top draw in the West End these days? I'm off to the theatre in a few minutes to go to work and your answer will give me something to think about.

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brookly red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:12:56am

re: #202 Erik The Red

44 is blaming GWB for the current state of the economy. Who the fuck is he going to blame for our future state of security?

"the failed policies of the past" is the standard answer.

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LGoPs Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:12:58am

re: #191 MJ

Olbermann and Kos will throw a fit:

Panetta: No prosecution for CIA interrogators

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Re; Olbermann and Kos.........that's cool, go ahead and throw a fit. Next time around when we get back into power we'll prosecute you fucks for treason....how 'bout that? You wanna go down this road you'll find out it's a two way fucking street and we drive big trucks........

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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:13:01am

re: #202 Erik The Red

44 is blaming GWB for the current state of the economy. Who the fuck is he going to blame for our future state of security?

Don't ask questions like that, you're gonna confuse him.
/

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lawhawk Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:13:35am

AQ Khan is seen as a hero to many Pakistanis for creating the Pakistani nuclear program. This was to be expected given that Pakistan had been pushing in this direction for years. They had no problem looking the other way as Khan's network proliferated nuclear tech and designs around the world to regimes like North Korea, Libya, and Iran. The IAEA didn't crack that case, and still hasn't done anything to stop the Iranian program.

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J.D. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:13:36am

re: #193 newsjunkie_ky

Lucky you!
My mom in Ashland was fine, too. What few pictures I've seen have looked Bad. People down here don't think Kentucky gets cold. Or hot. I don't know why that is...

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debutaunt Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:13:38am

re: #197 newsjunkie_ky

LOL. the pelousi comes to mind immediately. 500 million Americans lose their jobs every month. What a tool.

Pelosi said that twice.

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newsjunkie_ky Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:14:24am

re: #199 nyc redneck

hey{news}
the food tainted w/ bad peanut butter would be all over the nyt if this was n.o.
front page and lots of moaning abt. poison on top of hurricane misery.
(i'm glad you are getting a spring thaw down there.)

Wouldn't it though. Our local guys only ones reporting this, that I've seen/heard.
Last Friday temps were in single digits, today in the 40s, tomorrow 50s. It's so nice to see the Sun.

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nyc redneck Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:14:47am

re: #210 debutaunt

Pelosi said that twice.

it must be true then.

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Creeping Eruption Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:15:09am

re: #211 buzzsawmonkey

It's the new Transformers movie! Megatron versus Fumblethumbs.

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yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:15:28am

re: #204 Walter L. Newton

He, what's the top draw in the West End these days? I'm off to the theatre in a few minutes to go to work and your answer will give me something to think about.

Here, have a look at that!

(Hope it helps ...)

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newsjunkie_ky Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:15:45am

re: #202 Erik The Red

44 is blaming GWB for the current state of the economy. Who the fuck is he going to blame for our future state of security?

IIRC, the economy began to slide when the 0 became the nominee for dem party.

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NoelArmourson Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:15:48am

re: #213 nyc redneck

it must be true then.

Doubleplus true.

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realwest Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:15:56am

Well y'all - while I'm surprised at all the action (ratings, comments and all that jazz on the Discovery Institute Propaganda Everywhere thread) and would like to stick around and discuss this with y'all, I gotta go eat some lunch.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road tonight.

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Erik The Red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:15:56am

re: #205 brookly red

"the failed policies of the past" is the standard answer.

Who's failed policies of the past? GWB kept the US and the World safe. One attack and his back up excuse goes down the drain.

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debutaunt Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:16:15am

re: #213 nyc redneck

it must be true then.

Her stupidity has been double checked.

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jwb7605 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:16:39am

re: #202 Erik The Red

44 is blaming GWB for the current state of the economy. Who the fuck is he going to blame for our future state of security?

One of the reasons I have mixed emotions about "quickly passing a stimulus bill". If it gets passed quickly, he owns it. If not, it is GWB's fault.

The bill will pass either way, in some form. Original or modified form is immaterial, in the long view.

I hope our security holds on for at least six months. Otherwise, guess who's fault it will be?

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newsjunkie_ky Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:16:44am

re: #209 J.D.

Lucky you!
My mom in Ashland was fine, too. What few pictures I've seen have looked Bad. People down here don't think Kentucky gets cold. Or hot. I don't know why that is...

LOL, maybe they see KY as being smack dab in the middle.

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Silhouette Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:16:46am

re: #191 MJ

From the phrasing by AP

The Obama administration will not prosecute CIA officers who participated in harsh interrogations that critics say crossed the line into torture, CIA Director-nominee Leon Panetta said Friday.

I wonder if Panetta just said the admin would not prosecute the officers, or if Panetta himself added the part about "critics say was torture."

It is written to look like a Panetta quote, but that phrase could easily have been not Panetta's words but an input by AP.

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Honorary Yooper Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:16:50am

re: #216 newsjunkie_ky

IIRC, the economy began to slide when the 0 became the nominee for dem party.

Ergo, this is the Obama Recession, and if this "stimulus" bill passes, it might be worse.

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gmsc Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:17:13am

re: #205 brookly red

"the failed policies of the past" is the standard answer.

"The politics have failure have failed. We need to make them work again."
-Kodos

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ErnieG Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:17:17am

re: #197 newsjunkie_ky

LOL. the pelousi comes to mind immediately. 500 million Americans lose their jobs every month. What a tool.

To paraphrase Everett Dirksen: "500 million jobs here, 500 million jobs there, and pretty soon you're talking real unemployment."

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capitalist piglet Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:17:23am

re: #202 Erik The Red

44 is blaming GWB for the current state of the economy. Who the fuck is he going to blame for our future state of security?

Yeah, he's got to get out front of this thing and place that blame where it belongs, before people start thinking it's his Ojesus' fault! But the people who expect to be "rich" now that "we have Barack Obama!" are only going to notice that it's not happening. They're still eating the same crappy food, watching the same TV, and driving the same rusty car.

After all, the oceans were supposed to rise or something, and cats were supposed to live with dogs, and all that. Starting January 20th. It was all supposed to be awesome. Yes we can!

Only it's going to get worse.

And wait until we're attacked again. And we will be.

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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:19:14am

re: #215 yma o hyd

Here, have a look at that!

(Hope it helps ...)

Thanks. I don't think "The Mousetrap" has ever closed, since it open in 1952. My avatar is me as Paravicinni in a production.

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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:19:14am

May his freedom be short lived.

/whatever it takes

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:19:31am

re: #211 buzzsawmonkey

It's the new Transformers movie! Megaton versus Fumblethumbs.

Except that Obama is less than meets the eye.

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Erik The Red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:19:51am

re: #221 jwb7605

One of the reasons I have mixed emotions about "quickly passing a stimulus bill". If it gets passed quickly, he owns it. If not, it is GWB's fault.

The bill will pass either way, in some form. Original or modified form is immaterial, in the long view.

I hope our security holds on for at least six months. Otherwise, guess who's fault it will be?

No Rep. votes for this. Let 44 and the Dems. own this toxic POS. If it works so be it. When it doesn't we win in 2010.

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MJ Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:19:53am

Some of what Panetta said is truly disturbing:

Panetta formally retracted a statement he made Thursday that the Bush administration transferred prisoners for the purpose of torture.
"I am not aware of the validity of those claims," he said.
Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., chastised Panetta for careless words. "You cannot be making statements or making judgments based on rumors and news stories," he said.
Because he has not yet been confirmed, Panetta has not been briefed on the details of the secret program.
Panetta said he believed the Bush administration was trying to protect the country from terrorists with its use of secret prisons, renditions and harsh interrogations.
"I think they made some wrong decisions, I think they made mistakes," he said. "I think sometimes they believe the ends justifies the means, and that's where people sometimes go wrong."
Panetta said he thinks that in the fear of another Sept. 11-style attack, Bush administration officials thought, "We can't be bothered with legalisms."
Panetta said, however, that he believes the greatest weapon the United States has against terrorists is its moral authority and commitment to the rule of law.

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newsjunkie_ky Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:20:18am

re: #224 Honorary Yooper

Ergo, this is the Obama Recession, and if this "stimulus" bill passes, it might be worse.

Agree on both points.
This bill only 'stimulates' government.

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capitalist piglet Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:20:47am

re: #209 J.D.

Lucky you!
My mom in Ashland was fine, too. What few pictures I've seen have looked Bad. People down here don't think Kentucky gets cold. Or hot. I don't know why that is...

I'm from Wisconsin and when I lived there, I used to play gigs in Kentucky. I loved going there because it always seemed so mild, climate-wise...but that was in the spring usually (around March or April), when it was still icy where I lived.

Maybe people think it's mild 'cause it's milder than where they live...unless things have changed a bit.

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brookly red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:20:52am

re: #208 lawhawk

re: "AQ Khan is seen as a hero to many Pakistanis for creating the Pakistani nuclear program." That is why they couldn't just throw him under the bus... by releasing him they have no responsibility if something where to happen to him. India is still very pissed.

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Honorary Yooper Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:21:05am

re: #234 newsjunkie_ky

Agree on both points.
This bill only 'stimulates' government.

And government is the problem. It is never the solution to these things.

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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:21:59am

WARNING!

I'll be back after 10:00pm Mountain Time USA. Got to go get the theatre ready for show tonight. Play nice and don't give an inch.

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jwb7605 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:22:10am

re: #232 MJ

Some of what Panetta said is truly disturbing:

We will fight them with phrases of righteous indignity!

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J.D. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:22:11am

re: #232 MJ

Panetta said, however, that he believes the greatest weapon the United States has against terrorists is its moral authority and commitment to the rule of law.

Yeah.
Like that used to work.

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brookly red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:22:25am

re: #219 Erik The Red

Who's failed policies of the past? GWB kept the US and the World safe. One attack and his back up excuse goes down the drain.

I agree, but that is the standard answer.

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Creeping Eruption Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:22:45am

re: #232 MJ

Some of what Panetta said is truly disturbing:

What did you find objectionable about that?

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debutaunt Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:22:54am

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

WARNING!

I'll be back after 10:00pm Mountain Time USA. Got to go get the theatre ready for show tonight. Play nice and don't give an inch.

I have unofficially offered 2/3 of an inch.

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jemima Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:23:18am

Free all the prisoners everywhere! They're just unhappy and need a great big glass of Bosco!

///

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Raven1 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:23:47am

re: #232 MJ

Call me a hate monger, but I think when keeping my family and the American people safe, the end does justify the means.

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Erik The Red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:24:13am

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

WARNING!

I'll be back after 10:00pm Mountain Time USA. Got to go get the theatre ready for show tonight. Play nice and don't give an inch.

That is open to a joke Walter. But I am fresh out until the LNDT.

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LGoPs Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:24:47am

re: #232 MJ

Some of what Panetta said is truly disturbing:

Panetta said, however, that he believes the greatest weapon the United States has against terrorists is its moral authority and commitment to the rule of law.

What clueless fucks you are. These terrorists don't give a rat's ass about our moral authority or anything else. They attack us because we exist. Capeesh, paisan......?

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newsjunkie_ky Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:24:47am

re: #235 capitalist piglet

I'm from Wisconsin and when I lived there, I used to play gigs in Kentucky. I loved going there because it always seemed so mild, climate-wise...but that was in the spring usually (around March or April), when it was still icy where I lived.

Maybe people think it's mild 'cause it's milder than where they live...unless things have changed a bit.

KY is a nice place to live. The temps can get very low or very high. The humidity can be brutal but we don't often have snow and ice like we did this year. Last time was '03.
Best thing, we have 2 Republican senators and did not give the 0 any electoral votes.
Bad thing, dem Governor and house.

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J.D. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:24:50am

LNDT

late nite dead thread?

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lobo91 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:25:17am

re: #232 MJ

Panetta said he thinks that in the fear of another Sept. 11-style attack, Bush administration officials thought, "We can't be bothered with legalisms."
Panetta said, however, that he believes the greatest weapon the United States has against terrorists is its moral authority and commitment to the rule of law.

In a sane world, that statement in and of itself would disqualify Panetta from the position of CIA Director.

Of course, in a sane world, Nancy Pelosi would be a greeter at WalMart.

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MJ Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:25:21am

re: #242 Creeping Eruption

What did you find objectionable about that?

... believes the greatest weapon the United States has against terrorists is its moral authority and commitment to the rule of law....

That's total nonsense. He's gonna be the CIA director, not have Karen Hughes' old job as Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy.

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Killer Tomato Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:25:22am

"The Founding Fathers knew a government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. So we have come to a time for choosing..."
- Ronald Reagan, 1964 Republican Convention

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newsjunkie_ky Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:25:32am

re: #237 Honorary Yooper

And government is the problem. It is never the solution to these things.

'Xactly.

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Silhouette Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:25:46am

re: #232 MJ

Some of what Panetta said is truly disturbing:

He admits earlier that the US broke none of its own laws, and then just keeps talking like we did.

We never lost commitment to the rule of law, but that doesn't stop Obama, Panetta, et al from acting to "return" us to it.

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LGoPs Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:26:06am

re: #250 lobo91

In a sane world, that statement in and of itself would disqualify Panetta from the position of CIA Director.

Of course, in a sane world, Nancy Pelosi would be a greeter at WalMart.

No she wouldn't. She'd scare the children away........
:)

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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:26:11am

re: #232 MJ

he believes the greatest weapon the United States has against terrorists is its moral authority and commitment to the rule of law.

Pres. Reagan is spinning in his grave. Peace through strength is now peace through supplication and platitudes. "We begin bombing in five minutes" is now "Uncwench! Uncwench!"

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soccerdad Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:26:39am

re: #6 Walter L. Newton

I did answer you. In that thread

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yma o hyd Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:26:42am

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. I don't think "The Mousetrap" has ever closed, since it open in 1952. My avatar is me as Paravicinni in a production.

Thats right - its been going on ... and on .... and on ...!

IIRC, Oliver! got rave reviews, its got Rowan Atkinson playing Fagin.

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lobo91 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:26:43am

re: #247 LGoPs

What clueless fucks you are. These terrorists don't give a rat's ass about our moral authority or anything else. They attack us because we exist. Capeesh, paisan......?

Hell, the very "rule of law" he cites is part of why they hate us.

In their view, only Allah's law is valid.

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Erik The Red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:27:07am

re: #249 J.D.

late nite dead thread?

Or Late Night DRINKING Thread.

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newsjunkie_ky Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:27:24am

Wal-mart sales are up, must be all those libs buying bruce springsteen CDs.

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LGoPs Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:28:09am

re: #259 lobo91

Hell, the very "rule of law" he cites is part of why they hate us.

In their view, only Allah's law is valid.

Bingo. Lobo, you are better qualified to run the CIA than this asshat.....
:)

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Creeping Eruption Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:28:16am

re: #251 MJ

... believes the greatest weapon the United States has against terrorists is its moral authority and commitment to the rule of law....

That's total nonsense. He's gonna be the CIA director, not have Karen Hughes' old job as Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy.

Fair enough I guess. I was just wondering whether people really were questioning our (U.S.A.) moral authority or our (U.S.A.) commitment to the rule of law. I happen to think that these are two of the things that make this the greatest country on Earth.

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:28:42am

re: #250 lobo91

In a sane world, that statement in and of itself would disqualify Panetta from the position of CIA Director.

Of course, in a sane world, Nancy Pelosi would be a greeter at WalMart.

Then Wal-Mart's stock would be sinking, too.

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lobo91 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:28:51am

re: #255 LGoPs

No she wouldn't. She'd scare the children away........
:)

I suppose you have a point.

Maybe she could work in a junior high cafeteria or something.

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joncelli Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:29:15am

re: #191 MJ

He would have found it impossible to run the agency if he had prosecuted anybody, so he had to say that. Too bad for the Koslings that election promises and reality are two entirely different things.

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subsailor68 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:29:45am

re: #250 lobo91

In a sane world, that statement in and of itself would disqualify Panetta from the position of CIA Director.

Of course, in a sane world, Nancy Pelosi would be a greeter at WalMart.

If this administration wants to pursue this kind of policy - talk to our enemies with preconditions, etc. - I have a recommendation for CIA director:

You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.
Al Capone

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lobo91 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:29:48am

re: #263 LGoPs

Bingo. Lobo, you are better qualified to run the CIA than this asshat.....
:)

I thought that went without saying.

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:30:00am

re: #266 lobo91

I suppose you have a point.

Maybe she could work in a junior high cafeteria or something.

Lunch lady Nancy? Perfect! Maybe kids would start packing their lunches like I did & save the taxpayers the money.

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MJ Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:30:07am

This should worry the lawyers out there:

Panetta demurred on saying whether the Obama administration would take legal action against those who authorized or wrote the legal opinions that, for a time, set an extremely high legal bar for an action to constitute torture.

Since when can writing a legal opinion land you in jail?

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JustABill Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:30:18am

"court in Pakistan has freed disgraced nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan from house arrest."

Disgraced? The guys treated like a national hero...

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Creeping Eruption Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:30:21am

re: #267 joncelli

He would have found it impossible to run the agency if he had prosecuted anybody, so he had to say that. Too bad for the Koslings that election promises and reality are two entirely different things.

Actually, its a good thing for the KOSlings - they just don't know it.

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Raven1 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:30:30am

re: #261 newsjunkie_ky

I agree, anyone with a hankering for springsteen must be a democrat voter. How else to explain the cluelessness?

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Dustyvet Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:30:33am

re: #266 lobo91

I suppose you have a point.

Maybe she could work in a junior high cafeteria or something.

Oh God no, The Tuna casserole is bad enough!

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LGoPs Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:30:46am

re: #269 lobo91

I thought that went without saying.

LOL.......

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lobo91 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:30:59am

re: #264 Creeping Eruption

Fair enough I guess. I was just wondering whether people really were questioning our (U.S.A.) moral authority or our (U.S.A.) commitment to the rule of law. I happen to think that these are two of the things that make this the greatest country on Earth.

Of course they are.

But they aren't "our greatest weapons against terrorists."

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:31:16am

re: #277 lobo91

Of course they are.

But they aren't "our greatest weapons against terrorists."

Ding!

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J.D. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:31:40am

re: #260 Erik The Red

Or Late Night DRINKING Thread.

Oh, yes...forgot about those...it's been awhile.

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LGoPs Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:31:49am

re: #271 MJ

This should worry the lawyers out there:

Since when can writing a legal opinion land you in jail?

In the Land of Obama, where the Shadows lie.........

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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:32:19am

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

Obama's source of alternative energy now revealed!

Quick! Hook up a turbine!

With CBBHO in the White House, all the dead presidents will be spinning so you could be onto something.

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joncelli Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:32:20am

re: #232 MJ

Moral authority. That will stop how many terrorists?

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nikis-knight Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:33:32am

re: #244 jemima

Free all the prisoners everywhere! They're just unhappy and need a great big glass of Bosco!

///

Wiliam Ayers? Is that you?

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DeafDog Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:33:33am

re: #251 MJ

... believes the greatest weapon the United States has against terrorists is its moral authority and commitment to the rule of law....

That's total nonsense. He's gonna be the CIA director, not have Karen Hughes' old job as Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy.

The terrorists fear a well placed laser-guided missle, not an ACLU lawsuit.

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lobo91 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:33:42am

re: #278 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Ding!

Next we're going to hear about how our "commitment to diversity and women's rights" are great assets in the war against ~~Islamic terrorists~~ misguided brown people.

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ROPMA Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:33:51am

re: #77 realwest

Oh yeah, I'm sure glad that President Bush, on advice from the effin' State Department, decided to NOT back Mushareef for re-election. Mush knew all about Kahn and what a danger he was. Mushareef put him under "house arrest" but he was also under armed surveillence and NO ONE spoke to him by phone, e-mail, text or in person without Mush's direct OK.
Now he's talking to anyone with money.
Shit.

Send in the diplomats

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Erik The Red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:34:02am

re: #264 Creeping Eruption

Fair enough I guess. I was just wondering whether people really were questioning our (U.S.A.) moral authority or our (U.S.A.) commitment to the rule of law. I happen to think that these are two of the things that make this the greatest country on Earth.

Who's rules are we playing by? Theirs our ours?

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DeafDog Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:34:41am

re: #264 Creeping Eruption

Fair enough I guess. I was just wondering whether people really were questioning our (U.S.A.) moral authority or our (U.S.A.) commitment to the rule of law. I happen to think that these are two of the things that make this the greatest country on Earth.

The only people questioning it work at the NYT.

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lobo91 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:34:52am

re: #288 Erik The Red

Who's rules are we playing by? Theirs our ours?

As of January 20th, I'm not sure anymore.

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nyc redneck Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:35:42am

re: #261 newsjunkie_ky

Wal-mart sales are up, must be all those libs buying bruce springsteen CDs.

he has over thought it so much, he may or may not be happy w/ that.

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Creeping Eruption Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:39:30am

re: #277 lobo91

Of course they are.

But they aren't "our greatest weapons against terrorists."

No quibble there.

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Silhouette Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:39:53am

re: #286 lobo91

Next we're going to hear about how our "commitment to diversity and women's rights" are great assets in the war against ~~Islamic terrorists~~ misguided brown people.

If we can end a recession by funding for global warming research, then surely we can fight terrorism by having more women's sports teams at state universities.

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Raven1 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:42:59am

re: #293 Silhouette

If we can end a recession by funding for global warming research, then surely we can fight terrorism by having more women's sports teams at state universities.

How about some women sports teams at the madrassas? They could compete in the sport of, of, hmm........

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mean Gene Fri, Feb 6, 2009 12:22:24pm

Islamic ''law'' is so weird to me.
The rape victims MUST be beaten or jailed, even killed.
Defending oneself from rape may also get a female a prison sentence, death sentence or beating.
The female whose wrist or ankle is exposed to men by a breeze may be raped than killed.
Translating the koran so that Muslims can understand it for themselves instead of through an intermediary can get you a death sentence.
Writing a book or drawing a cartoon may get the creator a death sentence.
BUT spreading nuclear bomb building techniques to any Tome, Dick or Harry is nothing?

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SixDegrees Fri, Feb 6, 2009 12:26:05pm

disgraced nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan

"Disgraced"? Since when? This guy's a national hero in Pakistan, revered for giving his country atomic weapons and balancing the threat posed by a nuclear-armed India. Within days, they'll be holding parades in his honor. His "house arrest" has been a sham from day one, a charade aimed to mollify the US and the rest of the West over his proliferation of nuclear technology throughout the Arab world, to North Korea and quite likely to customers in South America.

If there was ever a time when CIA "interventions" were justified, this is one of them. It's long past time for this guy to vanish into a deep, dark hole with an unknown location.

Expect a lot more of this kind of thing. The world isn't going to waste any time seeing how far they can push their envelopes now that the only credible brake on their behavior has left the world stage. From what I've seen so far, the US currently has no foreign policy and has no desire to engage in it even if they ever get around to formulating one.

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CLLRusso Fri, Feb 6, 2009 1:55:49pm

It's long past time somebody anonymous killed that son of a bitch Merchant of death!

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ledger1 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 4:43:19pm

Let's be fair.

Charles Manson has been a model prisoner and also deserves to be set free!

And, Bill Ayer's wife loves him.

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The Political Class Sat, Feb 7, 2009 9:56:31am

Isn't this how most crime fighter movies start out? Some arch villian or crazy scientists gets released/escapes from jail?

I think we know what happens next.